Government Now Restricting Inquiries Into Property Holdings

A Chinese political cartoon showing a crowd (the public) surrounds a man with multiple houses.

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Multiple Areas Now Strictly Restricting the Use of Names to Look Up That Person’s Property Information

Summary: Recently Fujian, Jiangsu and other areas have sped up the launch of regulations for inquiries into property information, imposing restrictions on the “looking up property by person [name]” type of inquiry that allows people to input a name to look up properties under that name. The city of Yancheng in Jiangsu province claims that individual housing/property information has been released irregularly in certain areas, leading city residents to worry about the safety of their housing/property information. Media have claimed that the frequent “House Uncle” and “House Aunt” incidents have turned the housing information system into a nightmare for some government officials.

[Note: "House Uncle" and “House Aunt” refer to recent media stories involving certain individuals being "exposed" as owning large amounts of property that they apparently should not have been able to afford. "House Aunt" refers to 68-year-old Li Yunqing, who supposedly had 24 properties registered under her name, with a total value approaching 15 million yuan. To netizens, this seemed like a clear case of corruption, as it seemed impossible to acquire so much real estate on an engineer’s salary.]

Since the last half of 2012, the frequent occurrence of “House Uncle/Aunt” incidents have made the housing information system a nightmare for some government officials. Recently, some areas have sped up the launch of regulations for inquiries into property information, with these regulations specifically restricting the “looking up property by person” method of inquiry where one can input an individual’s name to look up how many properties are registered under that name. Until now these types of regulations were rarely seen.

A Chinese political cartoon about the 2012 "House Aunt" controversy where a man says he hears she owns 24 houses and her replying that she only owns 6.

Man holding paper with “Investigation” written on it:
“I hear you have 24 houses.”
House Aunt: “Where?! I currently only have 6 houses!”

Zhangzhou, Yancheng Prohibit “Looking up Property by Person”

On February 16, the Fujianese city of Zhangzhou issued a statement, that in order to “improve the handling of the public release of property rights information and the protection of privacy,” Zhangzhou recently launched the “Provisional Procedures for Property Registration Information Inquiry.” According to these procedures, except for those applying to inquire about one’s own property information, or inquiries assisting public security authorities and similar government organs, it is strictly prohibited to use [only] a person’s name in an inquiry, [and such inquiries may] only be made with the specific address of the property or the building ownership certificate number, while inspection workers are required to keep property rights information confidential. The city of Zhangzhou will also strengthen the implementation of relevant accountability mechanisms.

The city of Yancheng in Jiangsu province recently launched the “Yancheng City Property Registration Information Inquiry Management Measures (Provisional),” implementing conditional inquiries and restricted inquiries on property information. Apart from personal, public security authorities, the Housing and Social Security Department, attorneys, and the like going through certain procedures, it is “uniformly prohibited to ‘look up property by name’” in all other circumstances. The measures claims that individual housing/property information has been released irregularly in some areas, “leading a portion of city residents to worry about the safety of their individual housing/property information, with various circles of society also being rather concerned.”

According to this reporter’s understanding, after the the “House Uncle/Aunt” incidents, the Beijing Building Committee has internally clarified the regulations, and private individuals are not permitted in any circumstance to make similar inquiries. During the Guangzhou “House Aunt” incident at the end of 2012, a Guangzhou City Discipline Committee investigation showed that the information was released by a supernumerary [a temporary worker not part of the regular staff] at the Panyu District Exchange Registration Center, who without any approval made an inquiry in violation of regulations. The investigation also showed that the funds 68-year-old “House Aunt” Li Yunqing used to purchase her property all came from legal income such as compensation for the demolishing of property she inherited from her parents, and there was no violation of laws or regulations.

China’s Property Information Inquiry Systems Getting Stricter

Property registration is an important system in property rights, and also one used throughout the world. By making registrations public, not only does it guarantee the person in question’s rights, it also makes third parties aware of changes in a property’s status, allowing them to avoid suffering losses. Every nation generally permits public inquiries into registration information, however, because it involves personal privacy and commercial secrets, there are varying opinions just how open inquiries should be. Although the scope and degree of how publicly open residential registration information is varies from country to country, in general they all restrict it to “looking up person by property”, with “looking up property by person” under tight control. However, in present-day China, this type of control has deeper implications, and therefore is frequently the subject of hot public debate.

Looking at the evolution of China’s property registration information inquiry system, the control of inquiries is trending towards stricter restriction. In 2006 the Ministry of Housing and Urban-Rural Development launched the “Provisional Procedure for Building Ownership Registration Information Inquiry,” adopting the “looking up person by property” format. This measure is is clear-cut, “with respect to property ownership records and information collected by property registration organs, employers and individuals may make public inquiries.”

However, in the “Property Rights Law” implemented in 2007, the openness of registration information was reduced somewhat, restricting the inquiry and reproduction of registration information to “the rightful owner and stakeholders.” In 2008 the Housing and Urban-Rural Development Ministry issued “Housing Registration Management Provisional Measures” stipulate that individuals and employers may inquire into registration records about a property’s basic status (primarily referring to its natural status) as well as any rights-restricting statuses such as being seized or mortgaged; After the rights-holder presents the relevant documentation and materials, they can make an inquiry or make a copy of the relevant information of that property’s registration. Jiangsu Yancheng’s local regulations enacted this time used the “Housing Registration Management Provisional Measures,” implementing conditional and restricted inquiries. Reporter: Wang Su.

Chinese political cartoon showing a government official using protection of privacy to hide his many real estate holdings from netizens.

A government official hiding multiple real estate property holdings uses “privacy” to stop Chinese netizens from investigating information on property holdings.

Guangzhou

Even Individuals Bearing the Owner’s Original Identification Card Cannot Look Up Number of Real Estate Holdings

This reporter learned that starting in early January, property inquiries in Guangzhou were becoming increasingly difficult, where once it was only necessary to provide the building’s address to make an inquiry, now it is necessary to have the specific building title/deed number, registration code, and provide relevant valid documentation in order to make an inquiry.

Many second-hand real estate agents and mortgage workers told this reporter yesterday that inquiries into property ownership information in Guangzhou became strict around January of this year. According to many real estate agents and mortgage workers, previously making an inquiry only required either the real estate’s title/deed number or the address, but beginning in January it became necessary to simultaneously provide the property’s title/deed number, address, registration code, etc. before it was possible to make an inquiry. Previously, possessing an person’s original identification card allowed one to look up the amount of property held in their name, but now only spouses can make inquiries with such documents. Previously, it was possible to make an inquiry by simply entering one’s ID number, now in principle it is required to provide the ID card itself to make an inquiry, and if you are unable to provide the original ID card, then it must be reviewed by multiple people before the inquiry can be made. “If it shows that someone has more than three pieces of property under their name, then it is necessary to go to the government affairs center to execute a written application, and only after gaining approval can one look up detailed information.

As it is understood, at present there are normally two types of property inquiries; one type is to inquire for information directly relating to the building itself, for example the building’s [square footage], validity period of property rights and title/deeds, and whether or not there is a mortgage. This kind of situation mostly involves buyers inquiring about property they wish to purchase. The second type of situation is checking the number of buildings/property under in an owner’s name, and their specific circumstances, etc. which came about after the limits on house purchases.

In the middle of October 2010, in order to comply with the government policy limiting purchases [of property, intended to cool down a hot real estate property market and rising housing prices], the Guangzhou Municipal Land Resources and Housing Administrative Bureau started the “Individual Property Holdings Inquiry Service” and “Family Member’s Property Holdings Verification Issuance Service” so that city residents qualified to purchase a homse can enjoy [special] loan interest rates for their first or second home, as well as confirming that they qualify to purchase a home, etc.

This reporter learned from the Guangzhou Municipal Land Resources and Housing Administrative Bureau that there are currently only four ways to look up information on real estate property under an individual’s name: The owner presenting valid identification; another person presenting the owner’s ID and a signed declaration of agency; [an applicant] bearing an official letter from public security authorities; or a spouse presenting valid identification inquiring about their spouse’s real estate holdings.

Since the occurrence of the “House Uncle/Aunt” incidents last October, inquiries into property information had for a time attracted no small amount of discussion from city residents. With regards to searches and inquiries becoming tougher, one person from the Guangzhou Department of Housing Management expressed that it was a necessity. “The House Uncle/Aunt incidents and inquiries becoming tougher have a definite connection, but it is not completely because of that.” Last night, an individual from the Guangzhou Housing Management Department said, “The biggest lesson the House Uncle/Aunt incidents taught us was that we absolutely must manage our own people [staff] better.”

The individual from the Guangzhou Housing Management Department expressed that the service had previously been provided with a focus on the real estate purchase limit policy, and had overlooked the individual privacy of city residents, so now they will focus more on protecting city residents’ personal privacy. They will be stricter with the internal management of the Housing Management Department, increase regulation of external inquiries into real-estate property information, operate by the book, requiring valid ID before an inquiry can be made. Reporter: Qiu Yongfen

A Chinese political cartoon showing a hand representing new regulations preventing an ordinary citizen from investigating property holdings through a person's name, thereby protecting "House Aunt" and "House Uncle", individuals who made the news in 2012 for seemingly owning amounts of property they seemingly shouldn't be able to afford.

Red Line: “Looking up property holdings by person”
Hand: “New Regulations”
Woman: House Aunt
Man: “I’m House Uncle!”

Shenzhen

Cannot Use Business Owner’s Name to Retrieve Property Information

When looking up property information, the [name of the] property owner may not be used to conduct the inquiry. More than half a year ago, the Urban Planning Land and Resources Commission of Shenzhen Municipality drafted the “Shenzhen Urban Planning Land, Real Estate, and Maritime Records Referencing Measures (Draft for Comment)”, simultaneously soliciting suggestions from society. According to this draft, the looking up of property information should comply with strict regulations. Even spouses looking up each other’s property information must provide documentation proving their relationship. As for [cases where] a staff worker in the department responsible [inappropriately] divulges a city resident’s property information, legal action may be pursued in severe cases. Yesterday, this Southern Metropolis Daily reporter learned that, currently, this draft is still in processing, and has not yet been officially implemented.

At the beginning of last year, Shenzhen police launched an operation with cracking down on illegal criminal invasion of citizens’ private information as its goal, arresting a total of 325 people and incarcerating 76. During the operation it was brought to light that property information sold by a criminal gang had originally come from someone inside the Shenzhen Land and Resources Department, causing a public uproar. Therefore, the “Shenzhen Urban Planning Land, Real Estate, and Maritime Records Referencing Measures (Draft for Comment)” tightened the management of property information.

The draft legislation stipulates applications to look up property rights and records (including those of maritime holdings and their contained structures, buildings and fixtures); [in addition to] the original registration document, [individuals] must provide the following documentation: registration form for looking up records, and proof of identity. If it is a staff worker of a government organ lawfully conducting official business that needs to look up land, real-estate, and maritime records, they must provide a work ID or proof of conducting official business. Also, representatives from arbitration and notary institutions who must look up land, real-estate, and maritime records to carry out arbitration or notary functions, must provide a work ID. Attorneys retained by clients who must look up land, real-estate, and maritime records during the provision of legal services must provide an attorney’s license. Property owner representatives [such as homeowners associations or property management companies] who must look up land, real-estate, and maritime records must provide identification or other identifying document issued by a public security organ, owner committee establishment documents and a letter of introduction.

What deserves attention is that this draft also clearly stipulates that the registration form for looking up records submitted by the inquirer should be clearly filled out with the real estate’s location (room number and location) or ownership certificate number, as well as the matter that is being inquired, and that the real-estate owner’s name may not be used as the criteria to conduct an inquiry. Spouses and family members looking up real-estate property records involving their spouse or other family members must submit a registration form for looking up records, the relevant proof of identity required, as well as provide documentation proving that they have a spousal or familial connection to the person whose real-estate information is being looked up.

Previously, in the 2001 “Shenzhen Urban Planning Land and Resources Bureau Records Checking Regulations”, regulations for making real estate inquiries were rougher, without the detailed regulations aforementioned. Currently, in actual operations, ordinary Shenzhen city residents can make inquiries about their own property information at the property management department with individual proof of identity, and with a marriage certificate they can make inquiries about their spouse’s property information. However, some agents going through special channels can use a person’s name to make an inquiry about holdings under that name.

A Chinese political cartoon showing a person trying to use inquiries into public records by name to investigate illegal income with a person across from him stopping him arguing that it infringes upon personal privacy and commercial secrets.

Left: “Must be public, transparent. Perhaps this way we
can expose a homeowner’s illegal income…”
Hat: Real Estate Property Information
Magnifying Glass: Inquiries By Name
Right: “This way will infringe upon personal privacy
and commercial secrets, no, no!”

Comments from NetEase:

独行弥勒 [网易陕西省西安市网友]:

Who would be afraid of leaking the number of houses/buildings they own? Only those people who got their houses through dishonest means! Is this to protect them?

Don’t use the guise of protecting city residents to protect corruption!

a347956596 [网易广西柳州市网友]:

Houses one round, cars one round, how many rich people are left? Officials steal, robbers steal, how can we love the fucking party? Oil prices go up, food prices go up, and only [those in] state industries live well! Rice is expensive, meat is expensive, do I have to pay taxes on my farts too? The big are corrupt, the small are corrupt, and they’re corrupt all the way down to little security guards! You can’t live, you can’t die, government offices everywhere are all tied up! Talk is fake, actions are fake, are you all not afraid of being cut into mincemeat? Dad is a government official, son is a government official, even the mistresses of government officials are government officials!

[Note: The original Chinese text of this comment is like a rhyming poem.]

网易湖北省襄阳市网友: (responding to above)

Taiwan’s Lung Yingtai says: Don’t hope for an enlightened monarch, but instead strive for a system that can keep power caged. Don’t kneel for some fairweather official, but instead strive for a system that can hold supervise and hold government officials accountable. Don’t sing the praises of some great leader, but instead strive for a system where you can elect and impeach those in power. Don’t talk about support and thanks, but instead strive for a system where one can speak and move about freely. Don’t wait for some hero, every one of us is the strength to move walls!

A good system won’t demand that you support it, but instead educates you on how to defend your rights. A good system won’t tell you that it’s great, but instead tells you how to fight for your rights. A good system won’t demand your thanks, but instead tells you how to hold it accountable. A good system won’t demand that you praise it as wise, but instead tells you how to monitor it. A good system lets you shout criticisms, rather than thanking it for its kindness!

看着看着我就碉堡了 [网易广东省深圳市手机网友]:

No buried silver here [figuratively, protesting one’s innocence too much, inadvertently revealing what one intends to hide].

胡可磊我是 [网易德国网友]:

I actually want to let people check, it’s just a shame I can’t even afford a house.

网易江西省南昌市网友:

A teacher has students write an essay at home about the nation, the party, society and the people.
Little Ming doesn’t understand the connotations of these words, so he goes and asks his dad.
His dad tells him: “The nation is the biggest, just like your grandma. The party is the one with the most power, the leader of the family, just like me. Society is the one that works for the Party and the nation, and it has to listen to the Party, just like your mom. The people are the smallest, and whatever they say nobody will listen, just like you.”
After dinner, Little Ming wanted to write the essay, but he still didn’t really understand these things,
so he went to ask his grandma, but his grandma was already asleep.

Little Ming went to look for his dad, but dad and mom happened to be exercising in bed, and as soon as his dad saw him come in, he boxed his ears.
There was nothing Little Ming could do but wipe his tears and go back to his room and write his essay on his own.
The next day, his dad received a call from the teacher: “You must be Little Ming’s father?”
“Yes, what’s the matter?”
“It’s about Little Ming’s essay.”

“Was it written poorly?”
“No, it was written excellently, but I suspect he might not have written it himself…”
“What did he write?”

“Little Ming wrote: The nation is sleeping, the Party is playing with society, society is moaning, and the people are crying.”

天龙宫 [网易河南省三门峡市义马市网友]: (responding to above)

As long as it involves the interests of government officials, our country will immediately launch corrective measures. Those that involve the interests of the ordinary common people, unless something extreme appears, otherwise there won’t be any changes.

wfw9999 [网易山东省泰安市网友]: (responding to above)

I had hoped to see follow-up support from the central government and government officials exercising self-restraint, I never imagined it would be just the opposite, of government officials madly fighting back, with the central government’s words like a fart. What hope does our country have left?!

神耀天威 [网易广东省珠海市网友]: (responding to above)

Indeed, the counter-attacks by local government gorillas [phonetic pun with “officials”] are very direct, very penetrating, and very shameless!

网易湖南省郴州市网友: (responding to above)

Every time God opens a window, a corrupt official immediately blocks a door!

da铁 [网易北京市网友]:

It was unacceptable for an individual’s private information to be divulged in the first place, and since everybody advocates a sound legal system, the action of so casually divulging an private information is a serious criminal violation, and if you can’t even get this right, don’t ever bring up a sound legal system or whatever again in the future.

鸟毛之乡红太阳 [网易广西贵港市网友]: (responding to above)

Making some fenqing posts doesn’t represent how great you are, but instead makes people despise you. Our country is developing, it’s difficult to escape a windy path [a path that includes mistakes], everyone has to look at things correctly. You guys need to remember, as a member of society, if you yourself don’t respect your country, it shows that you don’t respect yourself, and then how can you make other people respect you? Remember, children don’t begrudge their mothers being ugly, dogs don’t begrudge their families being poor, don’t conduct yourself worse than a dog.
That everyone can go online and make comments shows that everyone has a certain knowledge and experience, and from this issue, it’s not difficult to see progress in our country’s legal system and the increase in media supervision [of government]! You all only know to blindly attack! Speaking all high and mighty, as if you guys are the most noble of character and sterling integrity.

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  • rasdasdas

    I like the joke with Xiao Ming.

    • donscarletti

      Little Johnny was watching the news and he asks his father “what is politics?”

      His father answers, “well, think of our family. I make the money, so I am ‘Capitalism’. Your mother manages our money and sets the rules for you, so lets call her ‘The Government’. You’re the one being taken looked after by your mother and I, so lets call you ‘The People’. Your nanny is here as her job, so lets call her ‘The Working Class’ and your baby brother is so young, so lets call him ‘The Future’. Just think about how our family works with those names and it’s like that.

      Johnny wakes up to the sound of his brother crying, he sees that he has soiled his nappy. He goes to find the nanny, but the door is locked, he looks through the keyhole and sees his father engaged in sexual intercourse with her. He goes to his parents room and sees his mother sound asleep, he wakes her and tells her about the nappy, but she merely rolls over and falls back to sleep, he gives up and goes back to bed.

      His father asks him the next day “now son, do you know what politics is?” Little Johnny responds to the affirmative and summerises: “While capitalism is fucking the working class, the government is asleep, the people are being ignored and the future is in deep shit.”

      • Dr Sun

        brilliant post

        • Alphy

          I’ve read this several times before, must be a popular story.

  • Alejandro

    Meanwhile in Peking the party is ‘fighting’ against corruption.
    All the laws the party approves must follow 2 conditions:
    -it benefits the party
    -the new regulation does not affect they and their corruption.

  • LiRuiKe

    Communist-controlled capitalism. Best of both worlds – for the leaders. Hell for the people.

    • Dr Sun

      Hao de…Hao de…Hao de, when will you guys give up on the communist rhetoric line, the CPC are not communists their gangsters.
      better anologies that maybe you can understand would be for example:
      1. Freemason- controlled capitalism
      2. Mafia- controlled capitalism
      3. Triad- controlled capitalism
      .

      • Archie

        When they give it up, I think everyone will eventually move on too. Fancy calling yourself the Communist Party when you are anything but.

  • BiggJ

    I’m surprised they never block that information right form the beginning. To all you chinese, just be thankful you had that much freedom before to even look that information up. Don’t be surprised that it’s been taken away.Be surprised you had it in the first place.

    • Paul Schoe

      According to me, many other countries don’t provide the ability to check by name of a person. For the normal public checks are usually limited to questions related to properties (=addresses)

    • Archie

      Agreed, this is true. I think that as they live in a one party state, it wouldn’t have been unreasonable, given the current claims in the party that they are going after corruption, to make all officials property holdings public knowledge. Now that would have people nodding their heads.

      • BiggJ

        I think pretty anything that could cause “social unrest” they won’t make public. Like real air pollution data, soil pollution, how much money Xi Jingping has….facebook, youtube, and god only knows what else.

  • pimpinbear

    Bullshit article, gives the wrong impression…..

  • Duke

    This is common sense. Since the government passed the laws to “cool” the real estate market, the wealthy in China have been limited as to how many apartments they can buy legally(yeah right). However, 85-95% of the population can’t easily buy a house yet due to the over inflated prices. Developers keep building houses like crazy to keep GDP up and provide revenue for local governments. The wealthy have to break laws and buy the “extra” real estate or the house of cards falls down. The government knows small groups of people are buying most of the property in China but can’t let that become public knowledge. I’m amazed it was ever allowed. The only way to keep the real estate market in China going when most of the population can’t afford a home is to allow the wealthy to buy whatever they want. The government knows it and the wealthy know it but the people can’t know about it.

    • Dr Sun

      and there you have it in a nutshell.

      • Duke

        Hey Dr. Sun. I attended Dr. Sun Yat Sen middle school, in Chinatown, New York City. Small world…

    • Washington Bullets

      Typical Neoliberal policy. Phase out social projects, allow private investment and speculation within the housing market. Cheaper for the government or developers (whoever in this case, I’m not quite familiar with real estate law in China) to sell to landlords who can afford the houses than to sit and wait for average consumer buyers to save up and then purchase. The landlords can in turn then manipulate the housing market and make gains on the houses nobody could afford when they rent them out. Once the landlords pay off the houses, and have renters staying long-term, then all they have is pure profit aside from taxes, which they in turn are reimbursed for in collecting rent. yay.

  • Mudge

    China is so going to melt down soon, other countries tick along with their recessions but China, oh boy, this is gonna be real nasty.

    • meo fio

      China is doing OK, US however is on the verge of a bond market collapse

      • mr.wiener

        Let’s hope neither of them go under.

        • don mario

          china might be forced some change if their economy flops.

          • Hongwu Emperor

            And vice-versa if it happens in the US.
            its only natural; if something is broken, fix it.

          • don mario

            china is beyond broke. i dont see a lot of fixing happening.. china doesnt abide by what is natural.

          • Hongwu Emperor

            The entire world is screwed up beyond return.
            We need to have some HOPE that we can fix something. let’s go the way of ancients!!!!

            All under heaven is off balance and harmony, and only a comeback of the way of the sages can fix something.

    • Dr Sun

      I tend to agree, it’s going to make the great depression in the USA look like very small potato’s.

    • pimpinbear

      i dont worry for china as long as the CCP rules, they can act fast and implement new laws over night, while western countries need years to come to a decision….

      • Alphy

        That’s unless the CCP are stuck between two hard places. They try to let the market cool, but then developer started to go bankrupt, and threaten to pull huge amount of workforce with them. The local government also require land sale to pay for debt, and China overall cannot afford to have a slow down of the construction sector as it employs a good percentage of the population. Though if they don’t cool it soon the bubble will continue to grow until its eventual burst.

        Almost everyone in China agree there is a huge real-estate bubble, even the CEO of the largest development firm here. Working class cannot afford the new apartments, and most of the homes are bought for investment purposes, creating ghost towns, and empty sub-divisions. You find empty condos everywhere in major cities like Shanghai and Beijing. The ratio of unoccupied housing is quite staggering.

        If this real estate market burst, not even this government can contain the problem. There will be huge amount of unrest. Just think about how much saving people put in real estate. There are basically no other investment vehicle here. Practically everyone invest in real estate. Most in China will see their investment evaporate overnight. It is a disaster, that no one wants to see happen.

  • ohboy

    waiting for the 1000% tax increase on housing sales article

  • Chang Liu

    No wonder CCP doesn’t allow foreign speculation on property. Cutting out the competition :).

  • elizabeth

    Restriction of inquiry is justifiable. Individuals deserve the right of privacy regarding their assets or everyone should be able to look up the bank accounts of others if we follow the logic of transparency indiscriminately.

    To address the issue of corruption, the government could reinforce the requirement for officials/public servants/management of publicly listed corporations to declare their assets.

    Private individuals not handling public funds should not be subject to unreasonable jeopardy of their privacy and personal security.

    However, prospective buyers of a property should be allowed to do due diligence searches on property ownership.

    • narsfweasels

      “Restriction of inquiry is justifiable. Individuals deserve the right of privacy regarding their assets or everyone should be able to look up the bank accounts of others if we follow the logic of transparency indiscriminately”

      Yes, because the CCP is ALL ABOUT protecting individual rights, no?

      • elizabeth

        You seem so full of hatred against the CCP that you fail to see that there are also countless innocent individuals who bought property with their hard-earned money, who deserve and have the right to their privacy instead of being scrutinized along with corrupt individuals.

        • Alex

          Hahahaha, no.

        • narsfweasels

          Fascinating. I make a single post of sarcasm and you infer that I am “full of hatred” for the CCP. Both posts you have made are full of love for the CCP therefore I must logically infer you are a member of the 50 cent party, yes? Your logic, not mine.

          Ad honey, if I went into a crowded street in Shanghai and threw a stone, the chances of hitting an “innocent individual” would be remote. Repeat the same exercise in a Party meeting, and the likelihood is reduced to practically zero.

          • elizabeth

            Where do you find ‘CCP’ in my original post? Who’s more fascinating? Any intelligent suggestions besides sarcasm?

          • narsfweasels

            Nope. Sarcasm is all you deserve, Wumao.

          • elizabeth

            No problem. I won’t expect much from someone who uses name-calling to hide his inadequacy anyway. Be careful though, being sour and negative can eat you up real bad inside.

        • Archie

          Regular individuals deserve right to privacy, yep.

          Officials however are and in this case should be held to a higher standard. They should be made to have all their assets available for the public to view. Given the public live in a one party state, such accountability sounds reasonable to me, and it seems to many Chinese too.

      • don mario

        exxxacckly.

      • Nick in Beijing

        Not to mention the fact that people probably won’t be looking up Joe Schmoe’s housing information. Instead they are likely to be looking up the housing information of corporate leaders who are suspected of owning vast amounts of property illegally. If that is the case, then although he is a private individual (unless he is the leader of a state owned enterprise that is) then he likely participated in corruption, even if by simply paying bribes, or turning a blind eye to bribery happening.

  • https://www.facebook.com/dinie.akhemu Gerhana

    *sigh*

    no article for me to troll.

    so very empty…. without trolling I am forced to reflect on the meaning of my existence, long term plan for my future, investment to make, believing in some political stuff, and girls to love… the banal things in life. It is not these that drives me to be who I am. It is not these that makes me who I am. It is the silly article….

    the article that mirror my love of generalising things, a senseless poetry that inflame the reader with indignation, disgust or shock. I troll cS for the reason that I love. My troll-ish grammatically wrong comments are my love confession to cS. A passionate one sided love. It is not by chance that I stumble upon this site. It is my fate to be here and I was destined to troll and to love these article. A love no one can ever understand…

    Loving cS is sweet and painful. My existence is meaningless with serious article. I struggle for salvation through the topic to troll. At time cS provide a mean for me to do so, at time she turn me away like this. My trolling is my love, my trolling is me. I cannot stop my love, I cannot stop trolling… and there is no one to blame but me… no one to blame but me…

    *sigh*

    a lamenting troll with nothing inflammatory to say

    • mr.wiener

      Sir, you have a head like a robber’s dog. Happy now?

    • Dr Sun

      there..there Gerhana, I sent some very troll worthy and contentious story links to CS just the other day. Hopefully they will run them.
      Hate to see you in this depression.

  • Dr Sun

    I’m shocked the CPC hiding information on the multiple properties it members can own (amounting to billions of Ymb in many cases) on a salary of just 6000 a month.

  • YourSupremeCommander

    This is the only way to stop the unvaveling of corrupt officials with mutiple properties paid for by corruption. If they let this carry on, the whole government will get exposed as corrupt, every single member. And that will not be fun for the ones at the top.

  • The Enlightened One

    Why buy property in China anyways?

    It is becoming more and more of a horrible investment. Better off buying property you can enjoy and keep for longer than 70 years legally like in the Philippines or something.

    I prefer blue sky/surf and white sand beaches over grey-polluted skies. Don’t you?

    • Archie

      Coz ur Chinese and you want to live in your own home in China? Gee, I don’t know….

    • Hongwu Emperor

      Grey polluted skies, much cars, factories, traffic or simply pollution overall… it reminds me of any big city on the modern days.

  • Robko Byalov

    Let’s have done with the pretense… in a capitalist country people with a lot of money can buy as many properties as they want. And in a country where communism has existed at some time, people with enough connections can find ways to get as many properties as they want.
    1+1=2.

  • El Puma R.

    China you are up to the neck with your own shit and I think it’s too late to learn the lesson from the books.

    Enough
    I think you guys have said it all for me so I’ll let this one pass…
    probably because I am in the eve of my departure and Beijing sky is
    really blue today.

  • Alphy

    This is one well documented post by CM. Real estate problem is probably the most talked about topic in China, as it affects everyone, and often times highlight corruptions.

    It is true that most countries do restrict name based search, but I highly doubt that any countries require the approval process that is mentioned above. If they would like to limit problems of corruption by using property look up, and at the same time protect personal information, there are many solutions. One of the most obvious is to merely not give out address information, but merely building count and prices of those building. The amount of damage by knowing how rich a person is, is basically next to zero. They could also give out blanket real estate net worth as well, as many politicians in many countries have to declare public anyways.

    I believe the problem is the people are not seeing a balance reform, and are viewing this as strictly a way the CCP to cover for themselves.

  • nannasin smith

    it should be allowed to do due diligence searches on property ownership.
    MAX232

  • Four Eyes

    There’s an easy way round this. Allocate a tax officer and a police cadre to each property register office, and let them do the searching remotely, from some other city.

  • Hongwu Emperor

    I would be damn happy if government officials in china returned to use those Wushamao (hats with two flaps on its side)…

    • Leys Scalon

      It would be most hilarious!

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