Hong Kong Refuses to Donate to Sichuan Ya’an Earthquake Relief

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On NetEase & Sina:

Some Hong Kongers Refuse to Donate for Disaster Relief, Claims Mainland Donations Lack Supervision

Original Title: Minority of Hong Kongers Boycott Donating for Disaster Relief, Do Their Reasons Stand Up to Scrutiny? [on the People's Daily Foreign Edition]

Recently, when Sichuan Ya’an Earthquake victims were in urgent need of help, a minority of Hong Kongers launched an “anti-donation campaign” with the reason of “donations in the mainland lack supervision”. On the 24th, Hong Kong Special Administrative Region Legislative Council Finance Committee, with regards to Chief Executive CY Leung’s proposal to allocate 100 million HKD to be placed into the Disaster Relief Fund to be donated to Sichuan province, held a special disaster relief allocation meeting, but after two hours of debate, this meeting fell apart due to differences over the donation suggestion. This matter aroused a huge reaction in Hong Kong. The SAR government’s Chief Secretary for Administration Carrie Lam indicated on the 28th her hopes that the Legislative Council will quickly allocate funds through the Disaster Relief Fund to help the masses hit by the Sichuan Ya’an Earthquake.

Some people looking for excuses to not donate

Compared to the Wenchuan Earthquake when all of Hong Kong was united in contributing to disaster relief, this time there has been some twists and turns. Recently, a minority of Hong Kong people have expressed worries of the SAR government’s generous donations being embezzled. There are even netizens launching a “won’t donate even 10 cents” campaign. Some opposition party groups also have reservations towards the allocation of funds, their reason being “it is difficult to ensure that all the donations will reach the hands of the people hit by the disaster”. Also, individual representatives have proposed revisions, proposing that the entire 100 million HKD be given to non-governmental organizations and volunteer organizations, or be used to purchase supplies to directly help the people hit by the disaster.

The minority of people who oppose donating also claim “the mainland is rich now, Hong Kongers don’t need to donate”. Hong Kong public opinion believes that whether or not the recipient is rich or not should not be a necessary condition for donation, because after the 2011 Japan Earthquake, Hong Kong also donated, and Japan is very rich, so why weren’t there objections raised then?

Hong Kong’s Wen Wei Po published an editorial on the 26th saying that this matter has risen to the political level, believing that the opposition party’s argument that the mainland lacks supervision to launch the so-called “anti-donating campaign” at a time when earthquake victims urgently need help is actually a groundless excuses, their actual intent being to politicize disaster relief, the actual essence being a continuation of the “anti-national education” movement.

Don’t let concerns halt disaster relief

Some people care about the so-called establishment of a transparent and accountable system, while others care more about the human spirit of “putting oneself in another person’s shoes”. The diversity of Hong Kong society is embodied in this. Hong Kong’s South China Morning Post published an editorial saying “Don’t let concerns about corruption halt quake aid“, and that Legislative Council legislators should adopt stricter measures against the misuse of donations, rather than refusing to donate. If the government’s application to allocate funds is vetoed, it will “send the wrong signal that Hong Kong refuses to extend help to the disaster area”.

Carrie Lam also shared her personal experience. After the Wenchuan Earthquake, she saw Sichuan attach importance to the establishment of systems and institutions through its cooperation with Hong Kong in its aiding and rebuilding, also understanding “the strictness and public accountability of Hong Kong’s system”. Media has observed that the Hong Kong-Sichuan reconstruction projects have submitted detailed reports to the Legislative Council, and it can even be said “where every single cent of money has been used can be seen”.

Senior Hong Kong media figure Meisi has also come out to express that people should not become disillusioned just because a minority of Hong Kongers are boycotting donating. Some media have claimed that (after the Wenchuan Earthquake) “half of the reconstruction projects are substandard”. This is actually from a certain Hong Kong media report published in 2011 June that mainland media had previously clarified with “Hong Kong-Funded Sichuan Aid and Reconstruction Projects All Meet Standards, “60% Substandard” Was Mistaken Interpretation of Data” [HK Government press release]. The person in charge of the HKSAR-backed Sichuan Aid and Reconstruction Group also believes that was an untrue report, “a generalization, ignoring the construction project’s overall quality and related rectification measures, misleading the public”.

To delay donations is to miss the point of disaster relief

Carrie Lam said on a television program on the 28th that helping in a disaster is like fire fighting, that if the allocation of funds is delayed due to deliberation procedures, then it will lose its original meaning as disaster relief. Hong Kongers have all sympathized with their mainland compatriots every time they have suffered a disaster, and hopes that the HKSAR will extend a helping hand from a humanitarian standpoint, to help the people in the earthquake struck areas, and that it will act as it has done so before.

Some media have commented that irresponsible speech concerning the [Sichuan Ya'an] Lushan Earthquake have appeared recently in Hong Kong, adding fuel to the flames of existing high tensions between the two populations owing to milk powder, mainland pregnant women, and other problems. Therefore, in the face of “won’t donate even 10 cents”, there is no need to be angry, no need to be disillusioned, remember that blood is thicker than water, trust that Hong Kong compatriots ability to differentiate right from wrong, and avoid being taken in by these people.

Hong Kong Democratic Alliance for the Betterment and Progress of Hong Kong Legislative Council member Tam Yiu-chung, Starry Lee, Ann Chiang, Gary Chan, and others have not only made donations in Wanchai but have also helped with fund raising. With regards to the use and supervision of disaster relief funds that city residents are paying attention to, Tam Yiu-chung believes the relevant mainland departments need to strengthen supervision and management of disaster relief funds, and increase the level of transparency in the use of disaster relief funds, ensuring that donations are used for what they are intended, and that the Democratic Alliance for the Betterment of Hong Kong will also do their work of following-up and supervision.

However, Tan Yiu-chung says even if there are individual bad incidents, supervision and donation are two different things, that both must be done, and hopes that city residents will not be deterred.

As of the 26th, Hong Kongers from various parts of society have through the Liaison Office donated to the earthquake disaster area a total in excess of 150 million HKD, with over 73.5 million HKD already received; and over 10,000 cans of milk powder has been donated.

At time of translation, there were over 18k comments spanning 600 pages and over 300k participants in the comments, making it one of the most viewed and commented news articles on the popular NetEase web portal…

Comments from NetEase:

哪里不腐 [网易河南省信阳市手机网友]:

What the Hong Kongers are doing is right.

0089 [网易江苏省手机网友]:

Why is there resistance? Nor does [the government] reflect on itself! Only knows how find reasons on other people [instead of on itself]!

zdf25 [网易美国网友]:

Donating is not mandatory, taxpayers have the authority to supervise the government’s use of funds.

网易德国手机网友:

Donating first of all is not an obligation, and what more, raising 100 million yuan and donating it to neutral organizations would definitely be more reliable than donating the money to the Sichuan government. The reason for this is one everyone knows.

网易安徽省手机网友:

A minority of Hong Kongers? Brother laughs.

曾琪 [网易海南省三亚市手机网友]:

When Hong Kong has a disaster in the future, I’ll refuse to donate, what about you guys?

网易河南省郑州市网友: (responding to above)

I will also refuse.

网易上海市网友: (responding to above)

Same as above. However, I need to make clear something. I don’t think what the Hong Kongers are doing is wrong. The Red Cross Society is indeed too black [corrupt]. It’s just that I personally rather dislike Hong Kongers.

网易湖北省荆门市网友: (responding to above)

+1

指那拆那 [网易广东省河源市网友]:

Yesterday my son asked to borrow 10 kuai from me. I thought he was going to use it for breakfast, so I gave it to him. Only after he got of out school and told me that he had donated the ten kuai did I realize what he had borrowed the money for.

网易吉林省吉林市手机网友:

Don’t believe it! I don’t believe whatever the Red Cross says! Not donating is the right principle!

指那拆那 [网易广东省河源市网友]:

The word “minority” was used well.

virtut0019 [网易河南省郑州市手机网友]:

The government’s handling [of donations/charity] is quite simply bad, so why donate? The Party newspaper’s reasons don’t stand up to scrutiny.

网易山西省忻州市手机网友:

Good thing we still have Hong Kong and Taiwan, the Chinese people still have hope.

网易福建省福州市手机网友:

Does not donating require a reason? If they’re not going to donate, then they’re not going to donate. They don’t donate so you denounce them, like a beggar on the street flipping out when he doesn’t get money!

网易广东省深圳市手机网友:

Nevermind Hong Kongers, even our own [mainland] citizens refuse to donate.

This People’s Daily editorial also attracted a lot of attention and discussion on another popular Chinese portal website, Sina, where their article was amongst the day’s most viewed, and topped the site’s most-commented lists with over over 200k participants…

Comments on Sina:

手机用户[山东临沂]

This is all because of the China Red Cross Guo Meimei Incident, losing the trust of the charitable people. To this day they haven’t held the leaders responsible, with corrupt government officials still in their positions, so how do they expect to have the people’s trust? It is the disaster victims who suffer!

sina姜丁[北京海淀]

Truly a high-level democracy. In contrast, the management level [government] of some countries can donate as they please to any country or region, while profiting from whenever disasters strike their own ordinary common people pushing companies and individuals to donate, even if their [government] financial revenues are in the hundreds of billions. They always manage to spend the money: Three Public Expenses [the use of public money for travel, transportation, and entertainment].

蒋鹄[上海]

Truly one pellet of mouse feces ruining an entire pot of porridge. the Red Cross Society ought to reflect on itself.

手机用户[江苏南京]

Not donating is good.

手机用户[江苏盐城]

A bunch of white-eyed wolves [blind and inhuman people, referring to the Hong Kongers], though the mainland’s charity organizations themselves should examine why they are having such trouble.

夏虫_也为我沉默[北京海淀]

It’s not just Hong Kong people, there are also a lot of people in the mainland who don’t want to donate. Please do not use moral blackmail against these people. When your donations ultimately become Guo Meimei’s luxury purses and luxury cars, do you not get angry?

墨墨斋[广东]

Minority? 68%! The people’s will/public opinion should be respected, the Heavenly Kingdom [government] should reflect on itself!

方门彩叔[北京海淀]

The mainland indeed does not lack money, what it lacks is the people’s hearts.

张瑞_Y[北京海淀]

On this matter, [Hong Kongers] at least their “objection sustained”, whereas in the mainland, if you were to object to anything… it will certainly be “objection overruled”! [This comment reflects the popularity of Hong Kong-produced legal procedural dramas amongst mainland audiences.]

Fay_Ye[北京海淀]

What you donate simply won’t reach the disaster victims’ hands.

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  • TheDon

    沙发吗

    • billy

      臭西

    • the ace of books

      沙发没有。你坐板凳。

  • vincent

    It would be great if there was some monitoring of the donations made, perhaps a disclosure of all expenses and such and maybe a system where the donations show up on a webpage with real time updating, something similar to kickstarter and such.
    With the reputation of the charitable organizations in China I’m not surprised this has happened, on the other hand the victims of the earthquake are the ones paying the ultimate price, sad.

    • the ace of books

      That would be delightful. Unfortunately, it’s not going to happen within this decade, because that would require inbuilt and previously-laid foundations of accountability at all levels, combined with enforcement of penalties.

      • vincent

        haha true true, oh well one can dream :P

  • http://twitter.com/iseastars i seastars 卫莱

    Funny I’m writing on fiscal transparency on development atm. I volunteered after the Sichuan earthquake, and sadly NGOs became a dirty word after the Red Cross scandal. I wish people would move along from one bad apple, but given my experience working for charities in China, I don’t have much faith in sense of monitoring donations and accurate reporting on project implementation.

    • http://www.weibowatcher.com/ WeiboWatcher.com

      lol, you think NGOs are bad. you should come and work in the private sector for a while!

      • lacompacida

        At least the private sector is wasting their own money, not mine.

        • http://www.weibowatcher.com/ WeiboWatcher.com

          word!

  • Lain

    My mum was recently telling me about this (she lives in HK and I live in Australia). She said that some HK-ers are actually going up in person to help with disaster relief (bringing food and stuff) because they don’t trust in the government officials not to embezzle the money for their own use. Also, that HK people donated last time (???) to build a school, but it was soon torn down for apartments? Anyway, I don’t think it’s that HK people don’t care, just that the lack of accountability is really troubling, especially with the mainland government’s track record.

    • the ace of books

      This sounds like a good solution – to make sure the funds enver get mislaid, purchasing the necessaries yourself and sending/giving things directly.

      • Ami

        Are you being sarcastic? I feel like your comment is missing a second past: it is “good solution” IF you can go through with it but for many/most people ,for a variety of reasons, its unfeasible.

        • Linette’s BFF

          Hey Linette, how does one procure a date with you?

          • BiggJ

            10 RMB and a bowl of rice for 1 hour….anything goes….a friend of a friend told me….honest…i don’t know from experience….for real….ok maybe I do…but only once…..ok well 3 times..

        • the ace of books

          No, I’m being realistic. If a person’s going to donate, it’s far better to donate in a way that makes sure needed things will get to people who need them, rather an abstract sum from which corrupt folk can snatch a handful or two, or which assholes can requisition into the Relevant Departments, etc.

          Yes, I know it’s unfeasbile for a lot of people. Yes, I know a lot of people can’t take a train/plane to Ya’an and hand necessaries into the hands of relief workers/people who’ve lost things. But let’s take some few things into account:

          1) the people who donate are going to be the people who can afford to donate. A bunch of 10/20/50/500-kuai sums aren’t going to do half so much as a government-sent bulk of 10k or more — but that 10k is split up, cut into bits, and when a bit disappears here and there, who’s to say?

          2) A friend of mine, from Switzerland, was telling me how much her country’d donated after 2008 Sichuan; she said that only about 20% or 10% of the funds could be accounted for in the end. That just ain’t right.

          3) it is naive and silly to believe that profiteering doesn’t go on in cases like this. Some peopel are genuinely good, some people are genuinely horrible, but the majority of people are looking out for #1, and that means if there’s money dangled, some of it’s going to disappear, because of assholes. You can’t blithely pretend that jsut because this is a horrible occurrance, all people will behave nobly. Human nature.

          That all said: I stand by my original thought: people who want ot make sure the right stufff gets to the right people might as well do it themselves, since the system is not accountable enough at this time. Maybe in 20 years – maybe not. But not right now.

    • linette lee

      If your mom use hk yahoo forums tell her to spread the words. Do not allow hk gov’t to donate. Make really loud noise on the forum to spread the words. CY leung is bull shxting again. We must stand firm together on this. To show the China people inside how corrupt the china gov’t is,that HKese have no faith at all. The China people need to make noise too. Too much corruption.

      • Hongwu Emperor

        Yes, continue with that mindset that the mainland chinese shall remember to avoid helping HK if shit hits the fan.

        Those bunch of westernized traitors are neglecting the ancestral home of their ancestors, and being total assholes.

        This day shall be remembered, sons and daughters of Huang!

        • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

          Uh no, the mindset is to help directly, not send money to have someone else help. That’s certainly a lot better than sending money that has a chance of just going to some mistress’s breast enhancements.

          • Hongwu Emperor

            But what if the money actually goes to where it should? I know corruption is rampant and I am well informed on cases of fund embezzelment in china and another nations aswell, but still…

            Like I said, I urge the true sons and daughters of Huang to ready their blades, and strike down any abomination that refuses to help people on their ancestor lands!!

            I think they just like foreigners, rather than their ancestor lands and people. Not just wanting the comeback of british colonialism, they were more willing to help japan rather than their own sacred land.

          • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

            Yeah that’s not gonna help. History has shown that those attacking neutral players in any war always comes back to bite them in the ass.

            That sends a message to the Kongese folk that are actually there and helping in relief efforts(rather that throwing money into something with as much chance to actually go to help as you winning poker on a Vegas table) to just pull up stakes and leave.

          • Sleepy

            Are you being serious…? I can’t tell.

        • mr.wiener

          Time for you to behead some of your mandarins and stop taking ill counsel from greedy eunuchs oh celestrial one.

          Your ancestors have granted you the mandate of heaven to heed the needs of the people, not line the pockets of petty officials.

          • Hongwu Emperor

            That’s why I am here, taking aggressive stance against the traitors refusing to help their brothers on sichuan.

            If some do not trust the government and decided to help themselves, by travelling there, that’s an honorable act.

            But simply refusing to help?? that leaves a bad impression of their people.

        • OMG

          The new Hongwu eunich

        • anon101

          Hongwu Emperor , Chinese people on the mainland are also refusing to donate… If you give money to SC government, you know full well it will go on public buildings and apartments for the higher ranking public servants (I use that name lightly), while the poor people who produce the food will have to struggle to rebuild their homes by hand and be given nothing.

          its not HK’s fault the higher the rank of the chinese person the more they are entitled to line their own pockets before helping anyone else. doesnt the former president currently have a value in the hundreds of billions?

        • Someone

          “Yes, continue with that mindset that the mainland chinese shall remember to avoid helping HK if shit hits the fan.

          Those bunch of westernized traitors are neglecting the ancestral home of their ancestors, and being total assholes.

          This day shall be remembered, sons and daughters of Huang!”

          It’s not that the Hong Kong people doesn’t want to help. The problem lies within the mainland corrupt bureaucracy. Hong Kong people wants to see their donation going straight to the disaster stricken people and not end up being embezzled in the pockets of corrupt mainland officials who makes fake promise to use the money for the victims. And quite frankly speaking, I think most Hong Kong people are getting really turned off by the arrogant, self-indulged newly rich mainland Chinese who mercilessly flaunt their wealth around like their some big shot. Perhaps if you want Hong Kong and the rest of the world take you mainland Chinese seriously, maybe you guys should stop stop spitting, squatting, picking your nose, eating like pigs, shitting like dogs and talking super loud in public. And I don’t want to hear that it’s Chinese culture or that China is still a developing country bullshit excuse. It only shows that Chinese hadn’t developed into anything beyond their 5000 years of civilization.

          • Mighty

            Don’t forget the lack of orderly manners. They never line up (or que up) at the elevators. When those doors open you better not be anywhere near them or you risk being trampled.

            And they drive like they have to follow the car directly in front just to make it through a green light. And, of course, when the light turns red, the damn intersection is all clogged up.

          • Klove

            I do believe the government issues a leaflet for mainlanders before they travel to thailand and EU countries on manners, it does not seem to do much good though. I have heard the arrogant method of throwing money down on the counter at a salesman still goes on in the stores in London and Paris. New rich mentality, money without manners…….a peasant is always a peasant!

          • Klove

            http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-21298641

            We want others to know we are rich! There is the mentality of the modern day chinese…..be forewarned, marry one, and you may well lose all your money and your sanity, be very careful.

          • ScottLoar

            Mainland Chinese are voracious consumers. Europe long laughed at the nouveau riche Americans coming to Europe before and after both World Wars to buy culture, and easily weathered the comparatively low-key Japanese in the 80′s even if they did arouse resentment by clan behaviour, but this new swarm of nouveau riche will push, shout, and elbow their way to the front. They’re interested in labels, show-off, and “face”.

          • Hongwu Emperor

            And I cannot take HK folks seriously if everyone there is portrayed as an arrogant foreign-worshipper fag. [not my opinion, I'm simply interpretating YOUR definition].

            Luckily, I think millions there are way different than that definition.

            Besides, no one needs to have any kind of opinion on the Celestial Empire. those wishing to know it, need to ask the Imperial government, and enter the gates of the walled cities, rather than rely on such westernized mindset,

          • Don’t Believe the Hype

            Holy crap, are you a Chinese redneck? Self worshipping and completely racist, you must want to be American. Don’t worry, we will get you a visa and you can come to your REAL motherland.

          • maja

            I could care less about the farting, it’s the embezzlement, corruption, and general lack of any degree of justice. given that I can put on slippers for walking on the spit.

    • linette lee

      They said last time even the foods and goods sent to sichuan lots of them were snatched up by those corrupt china officials. So the best way and probably the only way is to go in person and give the cash and goods directly to the victims.

    • linette lee

      I believe the last sichuan earthquake those victims didn’t get immediate help when they needed so desperately, even though HK took action so quick and donate immediately.

      • Rick in China

        Bullshit. I was here the whole time – and several friends involved directly with relief efforts. Not only were local gov’t teams dispatched – but several international teams flew in and helped. That’s not mentioning the many many companies (foreign owned and local) who did what they could and organized even ad-hoc just to get supplies there asap.

        I don’t know where you get your information, maybe your “HK friends who go to China sometimes” told you this. Alas, once again, Linette Lee, talking out of her ass.

        Really, just shut the fuck up about things you have no idea about. I’d guestimate that’s anything other than the “Learn a …xxx… Pop Song” thread.

        • http://hiddengarments.cn/ Peter Cushing

          Was this the 2008 earthquake, R? I do believe the Canadians got a good rep for their efforts in Sichuan. Although this time round, even though some minister politely said outside help was not needed, Britain and other countries did offer help.

          http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-22260393

          • Rick in China

            Yeah – and I really don’t think much outside help is needed for this quake. It wasn’t that big, really only struck a super poverty stricken area anyways, and the gov’t who is spending epic f’ing shitloads of money on urban renewal and construction in Chengdu could cover the entire rebuilding of that whole area with the cost of 1/10th the new roads being worked on in the city right now.

            They will of course beg for more money and neglect to mention that stuff though :D “Help us..pleaaseeee”

          • http://hiddengarments.cn/ Peter Cushing

            Agreed this time round was not as bad as the prior one, although I was not in Sichuan then, but was in China. Your point about aid is a good one, I think Canada started charging China for wheat instead of donating it, and the UK stopped giving aid to India, what you can give aid to africans and fund a space programme and buy up our teabags and cars, but you need our aid? Sometimes it is time to get tough, when other countries have cash and their priorities straight. Happy labour holidays.

          • iLL

            I do believe the China government did send help after the earthquake and did everything the could do to help the people at the time. The problem is weeks and months later, government officials realized they had alot of money and misused and basically stole money they had remaining. This is the problem Hong Kong people had with the funds used. Actually most people had including the mainland know the goverment basically stole donations and misused funds.
            I think Linette and Rick just going off topic and most people here dont want to hear there stupid rants about each other.

        • linette lee

          You apparently do not know what’s going on between Hk and china gov’t. Every time China has disaster, Hk is one of the first group of people to run over to help and donate. They put out so much efforts and money but the victims wasn’t getting the full benefits. They are lucky if they even get some. The people who benefited the most were the china gov’t officials. Hk people complained many times to the hk gov’t. but our HK gov’t is too weak to deal with beijing. Sichuan 2008 earthquake, eastern china flood, that big snow storm…and many other donations from hk to the poor china rural areas. Hk people are fed up and tired. Hk people are not all rich but most of them donate their hard earned money because they care. Maybe you living in China too long you no longer understand what is hard earned money. I guess in China is either you are born rich or marry rich and have connection to steal all the money you want. Or you are just born poor and can never succeed anyway so who cares.

          So you just shut the fxck up and post more nonsense for things that you don’t know. You don’t know shxt about hong kong.

          • Rick in China

            You’re an idiot. Your post doesn’t even reflect the point we’re talking about. You’re just ranting about HK this HK that – the point is you said the VICTIMS of the QUAKE didn’t receive HELP when it was desperately needed. Your post doesn’t even reply to that at ALL, because you were fucking wrong. Wrong. Got it?

            Yes, I was here. I saw first hand how quickly both the LOCAL gov’ts and private groups organized. Foreign bars were packed with people from different organizations and friends who own different types of companies were all getting involved with getting supplies here – tents, food/water, clothes, all sorts of stuff. The point is Linette, you fucking monkey faced nonsense talking fool of a person, you are wrong – and can’t admit it. Cry more.

          • linette lee

            WHAT?? And you are a monkey face talking moron. Asshxle. Now go smoke more weeds.

          • Rick in China

            Wow – you sure nailed it with that one linette. I’m absolutely positive it reshapes readers’ image of you into one of a coherent intelligent and logical discussion artist.

            “Now go smoke more weeds.” < Great one.

          • CALL_ME_DADDY

            Rick…your lanuage is absurd for someone who is involved with charitable events. To be honest, I personally beleive all charitable organisations are crooks. It will be wise for everyone to do charity around them. Maybe help an unfortunate family member, friends or employee. Help them jump across their hurdles instead.
            But when it comes to helping earthquake victims, I think we should leave it to the local government to clean their mess.
            I give away alot of money and help to people around me who are poor and helpless.
            First of all, brush up your langauge and start behaving like a mature person. After reading your replies above to linette, I would only assume you are nopt even over 17.
            So get it straight…son.

    • linette lee

      My family donated usd$400 last time. God knows it’s probably in some corrupt china gov’t lobster dinner. Watching the news on the last sichuan earthquake on HK tv was heartbreaking.

      • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

        lobster dinner is nice

      • OMG

        Wrong!!! It went to their kids’ casino gambling debt in Vancouver or Las Vegas

    • Rainer

      Last time when Hongkonger donate HK$ 20 millions to hungry students in TAM square some 24 years ago, all the fckin money went missing. Few shit student leaders exiled in US who helped faked a massacre story even refused to open the accound for audit as quite many relatives of the killed demanded.

      Yes Hongkongers shouldn’t donate, to anybody in mainland. Instead the Hongkongers who believe in “Universal Value” should donate to the daily bomb victims of Iraq, though they are not victims of natural disaster.

      Love Hongkongers, especially the ones in Diamond Hill!

      • linette lee

        “In 1991 after the eastern China flood, the former British colonial government donated HK$5 million into the disaster relief fund, and many non-government organisations raised money for relief efforts. A total of HK$470 million was donated in total, according to media reports.

        The devastating flood in the 1990s was unforgettable. After that, whenever there were natural disasters in China, the Hong Kong government would make donations and the community would launch fundraising efforts. However, it is frustrating to see constant news about misused funds.

        The HK$1.2 billion donation to the 2008 earthquake relief in Sichuan was also misused for infrastructure and government banquets, as reported by the media.

        In 2011, a 20-year-old named Guo Meimei put the state-owned Red Cross Society of China to shame, after she allegedly posted pictures of herself with a Lamborghini, Maserati and Hermes handbags and bragged about her extravagant lifestyle on the Internet. Later, some internet users exposed her ties with a senior official who was involved in fundraising for the Red Cross.”

        http://www.scmp.com/comment/blogs/article/1226532/why-i-didnt-donate-sichuan-earthquake-relief

      • mr.wiener

        “Faked a massacre”?
        Riiiight…. so that earthquake was fake too right?

        • Rainer

          I know you hate Assange, but I guess you trust US embassy, at least when coming to smog, right?
          Now let your forever trustworthy US embassy instruct you if there was a massacre in TAM or if it was a faked story by some student leaders, if not by our media, who cried in front of CNN and BBC that “row of row of my classmates were mowed down in TAM square”.

          http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8555142/Wikileaks-no-bloodshed-inside-Tiananmen-Square-cables-claim.html

          • mr.wiener

            Y’know that’s a little like saying “My dog never shat [shit, sorry Americans]on your lawn….He only shat on your front nature strip!”
            Someone’s in deeeniiial…..

          • http://hiddengarments.cn/ Peter Cushing

            A deeeniiial………I can hear Kurt wailing his cries from hell!!!

  • the ace of books

    They have a point – you don’t wanna be donating to pocket-linings. If there’s a way to know that every bit of the money you give is going directly to use, that’d be great; if you find out down the line that 9 of your 10 kuai went to some asshole’s BMW then you’ve a right to be pissed off.

    I’m not saying people shouldn’t donate. I’m saying tehre ought to be accountability.

    Also: please, PD, show us your objective and unbiased reporting.

    Some people care about the so-called establishment of a transparent and accountable system, while others care more about the human spirit of “putting oneself in another person’s shoes”.

    No weasel words, nosirree bob. Fair and balanced.

    Therefore, in the face of “won’t donate even 10 cents”, there is no need to be angry, no need to be disillusioned, remember that blood is thicker than water, trust that Hong Kong compatriots ability to differentiate right from wrong, and avoid being taken in by these people.

    What’s a party organ? Is that like a giant air-powered keyboard instrument you play at social gatherings?

  • Rick in China

    I like the fact that (at least the translated) comments reflect a lot of understanding rather than immediate harsh criticism against anything seemingly anti-mainland. I also find it interesting that the article, while seeming to try to rally the people against the HK protest towards donation, seems to have backfired – assuming the majority of the translations are along the same lines as translated.

    I live in Sichuan. The area that was affected by this last earthquake – well, it was likely equally pretty before and after. If you go to DuJiangYan now and see the development, all paid for with donations and funds, it looks WAY better than it did before – it’s sort of in Sichuan’s best interest to continue having quakes if it 1) lets gov’t and private developers w/ relationships pocket massive amounts of money, 2) leaves the towns that were previously shitholes with busted buildings looking new and polished, and 3) gives them news pieces to demonstrate how ‘wonderful’ the gov’t and people are, contributing to the ‘harmonious society’ image they’re looking for. It also helps distract from other issues of course.

  • linette lee

    All hongkese should not donate. I 100% agree with them. There is no point just waste of money making more corrupt China officials rich, then come down to hk to spend their dirty money. That;s a joke. They are bunch of low lives.

    They are talking on the hong kong yahoo forum about arranging group to go there to give foods and cash directly to the victims if possible.

    • YourSupremeCommander

      “hongkese”?

      I thought they are called: Japanese look alike Chinese who think they are superior to all other Chinese.

      • vincent Tan

        Hong kie have way better public manner than the Chinese, superior or not, at least they are civilized than the Chinese.

        • Hongwu Emperor

          So what if they have public manners?

          Many of those ‘manners’ are westernized social conduct, rather than true chinese social norms, which would require a deep understanding of the classings such as Lijing [book of rites].

          So that doesnt count as ‘true’ manners, unless they really follow things by the book, and HK is imperial court v2.0 and I’m forgetting it ¬¬’

          • BigCAD

            So Taiwanese manners are….?

          • mr.wiener

            …Japanese.

          • Probotector

            “Many of those ‘manners’ are westernized social conduct, rather than true Chinese social norms…”

            So how are those “Chinese social norms” working out for you if China is still a developing country after 5 000 years?

          • kangxi

            by any standard you apply, the average person in HK is far more civilized than the average person in the mainland. do you dispute that?

          • Joanna ANg

            Ding Ding Ding

          • James

            叮叮叮

          • Hongwu Emperor

            No, by no standard you can just jump here and say that.

            Like I said, a part of what you guys call ‘manner’ are simply westernized social conduct, rather than a traditionally chinese one.

            Honor your name, Kangxi. just what I have to say.

            I bet Kangxi would not approve that crappy westernization there, neither the traitorous act of teaching the new generations social conduct not befitting one of traditional ancient china and the Li [proper ritual and conduct].

          • Rick in China

            “rather than true chinese social norms”

            Do these “norms” include ripping your 3 year old’s pants down in a restaurant and holding their pee/shit dripping bottom over an open trash can?

            BULLY TO YOU EMPEROR, You win.These are indeed superior cultural social norms which should be replicated the world over.

            How about snorting whatever is in your nose up deeper, throat-level, and hawking it out in a big fat multi-coloured loougie to whatever apartment, step, sidewalk, or [insert side-object] is there. Great manners. Lets adopt that one.

            Shut the fuck up with your ‘manners’ debate. There’s nothing defensible here son.

          • anon101

            ricks got a point. when ever a really bad thing happens like H7N9, H1N1, SARS (even the black death in a village not so long ago) it starts in china, this should tell you that the hygiene of the local population is very bad and that they treat food badly /inhumanly.
            Also look at how most cities in china have HAZARDOUS air pollution, HAZARDOUS water pollution and HAZARDOUS ground pollution. This tells you people dont care about the health of the nation, only making a quick buck (also food issues like adding industrial chemicals to baby milk to make more money) Its all about looking after number one in china and ignoring everyone else.

            If you get hit by a car tomorrow, you will get allot of people stand around watching or taking pictures, but no one will come and put a tshirt around your head to stop the bleeding and save your life. why should they bother when they can just watch and walk away when they get bored.

          • Rick in China

            Oh by the way, fuckface, one without understanding of his own ‘culture’, the book of rites as you call it – is supposedly lost. You’re talking about a 3000? year old text that was mostly destroyed during the FIRST Chinese emperors “burning of the books” a couple thousand years ago.

            If you’re making an excuse as to why Chinese mainlanders don’t adhere to modern social norms with “Well, a few thousand years ago, traditionally we…….” – how about we all behave like vikings – in which case your mom’s house would have been ransacked and burned while you’d be even more of a 杂种 than you already are, even though you likely think you’re a pure ‘traditional’ Han Chinese. Go fuck yourself with your nonsense. Hope it works out for you.

          • Joanna ANg

            A Rotten TREE cannot bears Good fruits. China is a Rotten Tree down to its Roots”, DENY ALL YOU WANT, DEEP INSIDE YOU KNOW HOW THE WORLD VIEW CHINA GOVERNMENT OFFICERS. Since you think with your bottom instead of using your Top. You are probably a Political Officers’ children

          • Pickle

            This is actually a good line.

          • the ace of books

            Joanna: this is an unfortunate metaphor, since a rotten tree cannot bear fruit at all – if the wood is so far-gone as to be rotten, then it’s not going to be bearing anything.

            That said: there’s lots of good people in China, just like there’s lots of bad people in China, just like there’s lots of smart people in China, just like there’s lots of stupid people in China, just like there’s lots of people in China who are not any particular polarized end. Don’t blame a whole country for its assholes.

            There’s government officials who can, and do, try to be good, and to work within a system in which is it easy to abuse power and personal relationships. Don’t tell me there aren’t – I’ve seen them. It’s just you don’t hear about them, because people focus on the negative – the ones who do fuck things up for everyone else.

            Finally: protip: ad hominem is a lazy and illogical way of making an arguement :D

          • OMG

            Hey eunuch!!! Two missing Wongs don’t make it Right okay!!!

          • vincent Tan

            Ah..so that doesn’t count as ‘true’ manner even though it makes people around you feel easy and comfortable.
            So do like a Chinese peasant does it, spitting and nose picking, then shouting at others when you feel you have been scorned for your disgusting behavior, is a ‘true’ manner? You cracked me quite a little LOL

          • Someone

            “Many of those ‘manners’ are westernized social conduct, rather than true chinese social norms, which would require a deep understanding of the classings such as Lijing [book of rites].”

            Right, true Chinese social norms means squatting your ass and picking your nose like monkeys, eating, chomping and sucking food with your mouth open like pigs, shitting like dogs, spitting and blowing your boogers onto the street, pushing, shoving, punching, kicking, shouting, and yelling at each other in queues and over small , stupid trivial things. Cheating and stealing off of others without giving a damn. These are the true Chinese social norms.

            I find it very funny how mainland Chinese like you criticize Hong Kongers and Taiwanese for sucking up to the west and Japan when you Chinese are embracing western style capitalism and ways of livings.

            If you mainland Chinese are so proud of China and being Chinese then why are so many mainland Chinese studying abroad in western universities, buying property in western countries, getting western passport/citizenship, and sending your children to western school? Even the new Chinese leader Xi Jingping sends his own kids to American universities. Every success China has accomplished so far has been results of learning from the west and Japan, using Hong Kong as a base in developing your Special Economic Zone and taking billions worth of donation from the Japanese government to build your economy.

            So please tell me, how has traditional Chinese social norms been successful in the modern era besides tea, noodles, chop sticks, and kung fu?

      • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

        Not quite.

        The Chinese that are Japanese wannabes are the Taiwanese.

        ‘Hongkese’ are Chinese who have been so long been split between the western world and its Chinese roots and that makes them periodically disappear up their own butt with some serious pretentiousness akin to the sort of thing you see in San Francisco. Like deep San Francisco. So deep that if you asked for directions the people look at you like you were a dog that learned how to speak human.

        Wow that analogy went somewhere weird.

        • Pickle

          Don’t worry. Somehow it made sense. Most people who live in San Francisco aren’t from there so of course they don’t know about directions. The others aren’t good at giving them out.

      • mr.wiener

        No, that’s the Taiwanese, and you know what? They’re right, they are superior.

      • linette lee

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_winter_storms

        2008 Chinese winter storms
        Foreign and interior aid, several foreign countries across the world had offered monetary assistance for the relief efforts.

        Mongolian government has offered US$43,000 in aid for snow disaster relief.[41]

        Singaporean government has pledged US$500,000 in emergency aid to China’s foreign ministry.[42]

        Syrian government has pledged US$100,000 in emergency aid to China.[43]

        United States government has said it will give US$150,000 in emergency aid to China via the Chinese Red Cross.[42]

        Hong Kong and Macau donated a significant amount to the relief crisis……….. On March 7, 2008 leader Hu Jintao publicly responded and thanked the region in a 15-minute speech.

        [45]Donation sourceAmountHong Kong and Macau businesspeople including:
        Cheung Chung-kiu (張松橋)
        Francis Choi
        Cheng Yu-tung
        Thomas Lau
        Joseph Lau
        Charles Ho (何柱國, Sing Tao News)
        Pansy Ho
        Peter Lam
        Albert Yeung
        Robert NgHK$10 million[44]Hong Kong government relief fund (香港政府賑災基金)HK$13,430,000[44]Shimao Property (世茂房地產控股有限公司)HK$10 million[44]Tong Ren TangHK$3 million[44]Hong Kong Syun Ming Association (香港宣明會)HK$4 million[44]CLP GroupHK$1 million

        [44][46]Bank of East AsiaHK$1 million[44]Manufacturer’s Association (廠商會)HK$800,000[44]China Merchants Holdings (International)HK$50,000[44]HK government staffHK$503,000[44]PLA HK Garrison fundHK$300,000[44]Hong Kong Red CrossHK$32 million[44]Hong Kong Jockey ClubHK$10 million[44]Chinese Enterprise Association (中國企業協會)HK$4 million[44]Bank of China charityHK$3 million[44]Megaman HK (曼佳美)HK$1 million[44]Ocean Park Hong KongHK$1 million[44]HK Shanghai Chamber of Commerce (上海商會)HK$500,000[44]The Democratic Alliance for the Betterment and Progress of Hong KongHK$275,000[44]Ten Percent Donation Scheme Foundation (拾巴仙布施計劃)HK$200,000[44]Association of Chartered Certified AccountantsHK$100,000[44]

        • iLL

          Ok, my parents are from HK, but really your HK rants are way to extreme. You go wayyyyy overboard one way. It isn’t perfect in China..but man do you hate china a lil to much. Now im thinking your trolling lol

    • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

      The more you talk the more i hate HK people! good job!

    • http://simplydesigned.tumblr.com/ maybeabanana

      Just regurgitating what was said prior. The ideal about giving food directly to the victims is a good idea. But keep in mind that it is rare individuals that will take their time to head over to the mainlands to donate. Unless there is some organization that can purchase the food/items on site (given the vendor isn’t a conflict of interest), yet this also is a cost for the charities, in overhead delivery etc etc. Also, some victims may have better use in money for other usable items that usually is not donated like travel money to a place they can stay in. But then again, who is to decide who gets how much and is there enough to give sufficiently for all the victims. There is a lot that goes into that. Over all I would think that donating any sort of useful items would be a good idea like you said. It just takes a bit more of the charity organization to make that happen instead of just completely relying on the idea that money will make problems go away.

      Edit: What if HK is in a disaster? Will this refusal to donate have a repercussion on them when HK is in need? I hope people won’t just say well other countries will donate if mainland doesn’t want to. Again its just possibility of causing more differences and tension between mainland and HK.

  • The Enlightened One

    That’s just horrible. People lose faith in helping the organizations that are suppose to help people. If the government of China doesn’t make swift changes there are going to be implosions of rebellion on a massive scale.

    An example needs to be made and standards needs to be risen now.

    • markus peg

      I agree, but, how can they fix this? Trust is a vital part of donating.
      a reputation takes a long time to gain, if its tarnished its hard to recover.

      Maybe change name and keep a better account of where money is going, publishing all documents online for all to see to show transparency.

      • Rick in China

        In most western countries – NGOs and non-taxed organizations have to make 100% of their financial records and filings part of public record.. I’d be interested as to whether this is the case in China – if anyone knows?

        • Joanna ANg

          China??! Hahaha transparency you must be joking Where do you think the donations go to?? Think harder. GUO. MEIMEI is definitely Officers’ Ernai or Xiao San to rob public $$$ ok think harder please

    • Rick in China

      Your comment doesn’t make much sense at all, “Enlightened One”.

      First, the government can’t be held responsible for the actions of independent NGOs. NGO scandals and lack of faith in particularly China Red Cross are the stem of this particular issue, and I hardly doubt people thinking NGOs are siphoning funds for personal use will be any part of a catalyst for “implosions of rebellion on a massive scale”. There are _many other reasons_ why this result may come about, but it’s not because people don’t trust their donations aren’t going to victims and rebuilding efforts.

      Second, the “government changes” shouldn’t be in terms of changing the government in relation to relief efforts, but rather their investigation and prosecution of people who are involved in embezzlement from these NGOs. The lack of faith in regards to this story isn’t about the government, but the NGOs who handle the donations. The government’s relationship is their lack of enforcement of laws already in place.

      Demanding action, as you are, needs sound direction – and maybe it was an off-the-cuff comment but it doesn’t really make any sense in how it was written.

      • Joanna ANg

        If the donations are monitor by foreign Ngo. Ok agree transparency 100% but do you think the China HahahaGovernment Corrupted Officers or GUO MEIMEI’S SUGAR DADDIES Will let go, CAN’T keep to dip into their Honeypot $$$¥¥ PRADA, FERRARI dissapearing. Hahaha transparency

        • The Enlightened One

          Damn right.

          There’s a reason why the investigations come up with nobody as the culprit…

          Are you sure you are in China Rick? Cause you seem to be thinking with a western brain still.

          • Rick in China

            I never said that funds aren’t misappropriated and people don’t line their pockets immensely during situations like this. Of course they do.

            The argument was that 1) it’s silly to cry about the government when it’s independent organizations who are directly responsible for how their funds are managed. The government can regulate and enforce, but that’s like blaming the US government rather than the US banks and bankers for the massive economic crash of 2008. 2) How sure are you that misappropriated funds investigations “came up with nobody as a culprit” – did you actually investigate anything or are you just randomly pulling out thoughts based on your already set mind of everything China? 3) the ridiculousness of some NGOs misappropriating funds being the catalyst for a “massive rebellion”.

            Your presumption that I don’t think funds are misappropriated are based on what exactly? Where did I say that? Nowhere – much like I presume other ‘facts’ in this thread, just figments of your imagination :D

          • http://simplydesigned.tumblr.com/ maybeabanana

            I would like to say that the US govt did in a way relate itself to the economic crash. It is the govt that allow the manipulations of laws and lobbyists to have their ways and it has been for many decades. The Federal reserve, congress etc etc is pretty much the govt to me. The govt also decided that it is okay to bail out big companies when they fucked shit up.

          • iLL

            Funds were misused. Funds from countries and other governments were donated directly to local government. Not all funds were donated to outside charities like Red Cross, etc.

          • Rick in China

            Whats your point?

          • iLL

            My point is that Government does receive funds for disater relief that are misused and not independent firms. Government in China can send funds to independent firms saying…give me a cut of this..and u will get that. Its how business is run in China. I am not saying just China does it, Hati, Katrina in the States. Funds were misused and basically stolen. So for people to “cry” over poor use of mismanaged funds is appropriate and people should voice there concerns. Put it this way…we have to voice our concerns because the government in China has a strangle hold of the media, so the only way people can vent is online.

      • The Enlightened One

        “First, the government can’t be held responsible for the actions of independent NGOs”

        I don’t understand your post.

        It sounds like you are saying that the government should not bare responsibility for major charity/relief organizations that operate within its boundaries to serve its people during disastrous events.

        They should require that ALL actions and donations are made 100% transparent since the NGO is suppose to exist for the people anyway.

        You are being foolish.

        To me it is like saying that the American government shouldn’t be accountable for the actions of the “Black Water” mercenaries (now known as “Xe” cause they got such a bad rap) because they are an independent agency?

        • The Enlightened One

          In the event you don’t know who Black Water was, they were used are mercenaries in the Middle East and went pretty wild shooting up civilians and doing pretty much anything they wanted with almost NO accountability.

          • x1sfg

            Um. No, they were held accountable, just not by a kangaroo Iraqi or Afghan court. I have no love for the execs of private contractors, but you have no idea what you’re talking about.

          • The Enlightened One

            They were accountable to the American public and government? Oh that’s nice. They made a ton of money and had to give some back.

            What about to the Afghan or Iraqi civilians they went mad cow on? I am sure they are really happy about the justice they received.

          • The Enlightened One

            When I said “almost NO accountability” that means they did hold some accountability. So thanks for confirming what I said… yeah they gave some money back and had to change their name… big fucking deal.

            I think a lot of those psychos should have ended up in jail for war crimes in a god damn Afghan prison.

          • The Enlightened One

            Oh,

            I guess some of them did. My bad, a good deal got what they deserved.

            http://rt.com/usa/blackwater-convicted-afghani-deaths/

          • https://www.facebook.com/dinie.akhemu Gerhana

            how does one get into mercenary company? what are the requirements? do they open up for anyone willing to join? are they just escort/soldiers or there are other position as well? Have you any idea about this? im interested to join after I finish my research, dont want to end up just as a researcher or a teacher.

          • mr.wiener

            Read “soldier of fortune” magazine, get a beer belly and a tattoo in questionable taste then apply to Sandline , executive outcomes or blackwater. On the questionaire express an interest in going to new exotic countries, meeting people from different cultures….and killing them.

          • https://www.facebook.com/dinie.akhemu Gerhana

            I will do anything except getting the beer belly. Im morally questionable but still have some principle! (hah hah!)

            are they in need of interrogator? my research is on an interrogation technique to extract truth and false information based on stimuli gathered from the scene or events of interest. Its more accurate then torture or physiograph/polygraph but still need more work to determined its accuracy in various situation. In my mind after consideration, its either mercenary work or work in any organisation that requires interrogator such as law enforcement…. I prefer mercenary. I want to go places and dont mind getting hurt. Its preferable than office/lab work… People I know might not agree with my choise but i have thought about it and its what I want…

          • ScottLoar

            Gerhana, those who hire mercenaries are looking for men of combat experience and those who can lead them.

          • https://www.facebook.com/dinie.akhemu Gerhana

            Yes im sincere, I worry about job after I finish my study. I dont want to spend the rest of my life in office, I want something more that will open my eyes and let me experience the world, because after I graduate, I have a feeling that I wont have much time to do what I want and I will regret it on my deathbed reflecting the 8-5 pm job that I did.

            Right now im still a students and spent most time in the lab collecting data, writing thesis. I can afford to do these things and other hobby so im enjoying whatever I can before I cant. Internet forum, all these comments, they are just to past the time. Honestly speaking I have no idea how it works to be part of the company. I have thought about law enforcement, but it sounds like another office job… I am uncertain what other job I could apply for that related to what I do and at the same time doesnt confine me in one place. If there is I will gladly consider it. I want something more than just money to pay the bills, I dont want to miss out on life. You understand my concern…?

          • ScottLoar

            Gerhana believe me, you do not want to be among “young men seeking adventure” (the euphemism soliciting mercenaries) or around with men of different stripes who’ve seen combat from Afghanistan to Zimbabwe. There are better avenues to relieve boredom than getting winged, dinged and demised by bullets, bombs and things that suddenly go very bad.

            If you truly have “an interrogation technique to extract truth and false information based
            on stimuli gathered from the scene or events of interest” I can’t understand why the world is not beating a path to your door. You’ll get life aplenty if this is true. Even insurance agents need such a technique.

          • https://www.facebook.com/dinie.akhemu Gerhana

            you may be right about that…

            the methods measure the response (memory based) directly rather than indirectly as the case with physiograph. Central nervous system rather than autonomic nervous system. In academic world, this is still in the stage where researcher are determining its accuracy and its weakness.

          • Guest

            Hello Fire,
            What is your Nationality, how old are you and how many languages are you fluent?

          • https://www.facebook.com/dinie.akhemu Gerhana

            Hi David, im Malaysian, 24, fluent in two language, not so fluent in another 2 language but able to pick it up easily if I put time into it. You were in the army have you any advise for me? say for example after I finish with my master/PhD is it a good idea to join the army just for the experience and then leave? what are my option? I imagine law enforcement training (army or police) with the master/phd in interrogation would be impressive for the resume. Though I lack knowledge in this matter, your opinion and advise would be valuable for me.

          • Guest

            Hi Fire,

            Not the Army, I’m a Marine.

            I trained with real life mercenaries briefly, but long story short – that was not the life for me.

            I might have some better alternatives for you.

            email at
            fire.may2@gmail.com

          • redgirls

            I know some guys who joined the French Foreign Legion.
            They both liked it and have done well since they left.
            Its an option.
            http://www.legion-recrute.com/en/

          • http://hiddengarments.cn/ Peter Cushing

            Interesting, was it all really like Jean Claude Van Damme 1990s stylee in AWOL, busting out from a camp in the baking moroccan desert?!

          • redgirls

            lol, not quite.

          • http://hiddengarments.cn/ Peter Cushing

            DO they get the right to become french citizens still after completing a certain amount of time in service? I thought they did?!

          • redgirls

            Not certain, You can apply after 3 years service but they have some clause “cannot be guaranteed French Citizenship under declared identity”?

          • https://www.facebook.com/dinie.akhemu Gerhana

            Yes this is a good option for me to consider after graduation. I might just go for this. Thank you redgirls.

          • redgirls

            You’re Welcome.

          • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

            Dang, I also didn’t want to have an office job, but I just decided to go into wildlife and forest management. You don’t have to go to the extreme of trying to go all greenhorn into a mercenary program. In fact, I very seriously doubt they’ll consider you unless you have prior military and combat experience, probably infantry, at least.

          • https://www.facebook.com/dinie.akhemu Gerhana

            yeah I thought so too, I lack experience and need to get some. Even considered joining the army after I finish my study but whether that is a good move i have no idea.

          • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

            Are you an American? If so, join the Air Force and try out for Combat Controller, or even better, Pararescue. You get to be a real bad ass, but also have the benefit of being in the smart guy branch of the military.

          • https://www.facebook.com/dinie.akhemu Gerhana

            im not American. I think we may have something as to what you have suggested. Its an alternative worth considering. Thank you for your input.

          • http://hiddengarments.cn/ Peter Cushing

            Why would you want to be one? They are nothing more than hired thugs?

          • https://www.facebook.com/dinie.akhemu Gerhana

            self-development, skills, new perspective, curiosity.. Besides, people should not ask why, I am more fond of people who ask why not.

          • http://hiddengarments.cn/ Peter Cushing

            Ok then why not? You seem smart and could do a great deal of good in the world, why become a torturer, unless you have a cold streak in you?

          • https://www.facebook.com/dinie.akhemu Gerhana

            torture is outdated and extremely inaccurate. People will say anything to make the pain go away. It defeat the purpose of confirming information.

          • http://hiddengarments.cn/ Peter Cushing

            But is psychological torture any better? Loud music, sleep deprivation. Perhaps a lot of truth in Zero Dark Thirty, or not?!?!

          • https://www.facebook.com/dinie.akhemu Gerhana

            aha! your outrage is cute old chap. Is that the one where the orange girl scream “im the motherfucker that got the information”? I imagined that serious face in your avatar looking down on me. Are you bald? I would like to shine your bald head then use it as a mirror. Its one of the fetish I have, but take heart, its a sign that I like you.

          • http://hiddengarments.cn/ Peter Cushing

            Indeed I am. Dear boy is just a term of endearment more than anything, been using it all of my 40 years so shan’t cease now mind.

          • https://www.facebook.com/dinie.akhemu Gerhana

            it is your defining characteristic. I would hate to see you not call Mr Wiener your dear boy. Its just not right.

          • http://hiddengarments.cn/ Peter Cushing

            It is a term of endearment more than anything, no harm meant. Now then me lad, only the cream rises to the top, nowt is fer out, now wot sayeth thee?!

          • mr.wiener

            This is why all the nazi interogators in movies are played by people who sound like English homosexuals.

          • http://hiddengarments.cn/ Peter Cushing

            But where is the shirtlifter capital of the world? Besides the US, only one antipodean country is it not, my dear boy? I must get you galvanized my young fella me lad!

          • mr.wiener

            No need to , I’ve already had a gal [in a] van and she was very nize.
            No quarrel with queers, but to study the use of accents in movies the aristocratic brit is more likely to be the interogator , whereas the aussie will be the muscle.

          • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

            Or an animal handler, of sorts.

          • mr.wiener

            “Crickey! What most people don’t know is stingrays quite like a bit of foreplay, Uh!?………………”

          • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

            If only he had the time to say “clever girl” before he went out : (
            A hero that guy was.

          • http://hiddengarments.cn/ Peter Cushing

            Indeed so, but I have met plenty of skinny or overweight boozing aussies, by comparison I was a bleeding gymnast. Pie floater anyone?

  • Chris McKenna

    I’m told the head of a university in Sichuan where i worked was arrested for his misuse of funds from the earlier quake. Anyone who was around at time could see where the cash was going, and it wasn’t to the people;. Still it’s a good sign that people are starting to have to face up to what they have done. Maybe change is on the way?

  • markus peg

    What ever HK does it is bound to get criticized by some mainlanders you cannot make everyone happy.

    I agree that some money goes missing and that’s bad, however, that should not stop people giving money. Look at Africa, its been happening for years now, but, if people stopped giving money the money that does get through to the people who need it the most would be cut off from the help and could end up getting sick or die…

    The mentatlity of a lot of Chinese comments makes me sad, many expect other countries to help donate but feel donating to other countries isn’t important especially if its Japan. I must point out even some people in first world countries think like this, they say help our own country first, this kind of view makes me sick. we are all human, help those who need it most…

    • Joanna ANg

      China Hahaha transparency???! Rotten Tree Stink bears Stinky Fruits, it rots. From the roots ok Sad

  • mattman_183

    Not mandatory…yeah right. Heard stories of schools holding mandatory meetings to discuss the disaster where each student had to pay to attend. Can’t confirm it but still…

    What I can confirm is my friend’s work is making them donate and what’s more, their donation will be taxed as well, which means an extra part of it will go to the government, and who know’s what they’ll use that for…

    • Joanna ANg

      SICK LEADERS.,DONATIONS TAX? WHAT A STUPID GOVERNMENT? NO HANDS RENDERED STILL TAKE OUT OF PUBLIC DONATION FORCING SCHOOL KIDS?HAHAHA CHINA IS DEFINATELY A ROTTEN TREE

    • The Enlightened One

      Exactly.

      It seems like the government LOVES natural disasters because it always means the coffers are filled with the people’s money.

      How many of you have personally SEEN the villages that were reconstructed after the 2008 Sichuan earthquake?

      I have! And let me tell you, they did NOT cost the billions of RMB that was donated. Go see for yourself. The villages did get reconstructed (and weirdly enough with a sort of Mediterranean style as if to appear expensive) but I can assure you that 80% of the money went to corrupt contractors and officials.

      Beijing Daily 2009

      “As much as 80 percent of the 76.7 billion yuan was eventually
      disbursed to government accounts under the name “extra revenue,”
      according to new research conducted by the school of publ and management at Tsinghua University.

      The research showed that about 58 percent of the total charity money
      went directly to the government and another 31 percent to the local
      foundations. However, most of the money donated to the local NGOs also
      went to the government’s coffers, except for the small fraction.”

      “First, the government can’t be held responsible for the actions of independent NGOs.

      • http://hiddengarments.cn/ Peter Cushing

        (and weirdly enough with a sort of Mediterranean style as if to appear expensive)

        I can never understand this obsession with faux med style villas, it is not as if each one has a citrus garden and swimming pool and outdoor shower and bbq area attached. Baking hot in summer, freezing cold in winter, it’s hardly a year round climate in most of China except for perhaps the far south, is it not?

        • The Enlightened One

          I think it they used that style to try and make the new homes and buildings look extravagant to the untrained eye. Maybe they thought the masses would assume the homes were expensive because they looked foreign?

          Anyway, they also put a Chinese flag on each newly constructed home. Every single one!

          It looks ultra-nationalistic.

  • Bolo

    Heartless country blaming their own countrymen as an excuse not to help their own country. Thank God i got out of China.

    • YourSupremeCommander

      HK is not a country… Geography 101.

      • BigCAD

        Bit of a shame really isn’t it.

    • linette lee

      http://globalvoicesonline.org/2013/04/25/hong-kong-boycotts-donations-for-sichuan-earthquake/

      “Each time a major disaster hit the mainland, Hong Kong people would actively make donations. Five years ago, after the major earthquake in Wenchuan, the Government and the public donated a total of twenty-three billion yuan, a record in history. However, after the Ya’an earthquake this time, the scene of Hong Kong people queuing for donation is nowhere to be seen, even the government’s proposal of HK$100 million disaster relief has caused controversy. It is not because the people of Hong Kong has become cold, or too poor to donate, but rather because of the rampant corruption among mainland officials who misused the donations without any monitoring system or transparency. No one can guarantee that the money will not be abused again, and our love trampled again.”

  • PixelPulse

    They do have a very good excuse for not donating. I wouldnt donate to a organization with a history of corruption, god know where your money will end up. Its a hell of a lot better reason then that one commenter who not going to donate to Hong Kong just because they dont like them.

  • Kodabar

    Headline: “Hong Kong Refuses to Donate to Sichuan Ya’an Earthquake Relief”

    Oh my goodness, the people of Hong Kong are refusing to donate money to the disaster relief because they don’t trust the authorities.

    Opening header: “Some Hong Kongers Refuse to Donate for Disaster Relief, Claims Mainland Donations Lack Supervision”

    Oh wait, it’s only some Hong Kong residents refusing to donate. That’s not quite as bad.

    Original article headline “Minority of Hong Kongers Boycott Donating for Disaster Relief”

    Ah, it’s only a small minority who don’t trust the Red Cross enough to donate. Not really a problem and hardly surprising given what’s gone on with Guo MeiMei.

    What a disingenuous way to begin an article on Chinasmack. In three lines it goes from all of Hong Kong refusing to donate to a tiny minority. You’d better watch out with these sensationalist headlines or it’s you in whom people will be losing trust.

    • BiggJ

      Yeah I agree with you, that is the same thing I’m thinking.Let me try this method.Chinasmack: “Mass rioting going on in China!!!”……..

      Real story: 16 year olds basketball goes through window of restaurant while playing basketball….apologizes and pays owner for damages.

      • Richard

        You guys are retarded. As if you’ve never encountered an oversimplified headline before. Looking at the comments it seems like the headline might be more accurate than the people’s daily spin headline. Oh wait the Internet doesn’t represent public opinion.

  • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

    10 kuai for breakfast

    That made me miss roubao.

    • James

      Well it’s been a while since I had fried eggs & bai luobo but you made me think of it & now I’m hungry

    • the ace of books

      10 kuai for breakfast is actually more expensive than round here – I can get a big bowl of hundun for 3 kuai, or my normal baozi at a place down the street for 4.5-6 kuai.

      • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

        Oh I know, I would usually spend around 10 kuai on breakfast (for mornings I was going to work)…usually three baozi or some lanzhou la mian and bread.

        • the ace of books

          Yeah, guess it depends how much and what you’re eating. There’s a lanzhou lamian place round here that’s good for lunch – they’re usually 8-10 kuai. I like their lu rou mian especially.

      • http://hiddengarments.cn/ Peter Cushing

        what are hundun?

        • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

          One of the best things China has to offer.

          • http://hiddengarments.cn/ Peter Cushing

            as is the cold 2 rmb beer, to your health catty one, hahaha

        • the ace of books

          混沌,aka wontons, aka delicious.

          • http://hiddengarments.cn/ Peter Cushing

            Thanks, although I prefer the jiaozi myself, preferably with beef or mutton, pork or veggies, not my thing.

  • Showdaddy

    Speed really isn’t a major concern. Disaster relief often comes in an initial flood, creating even more opportunity for funds to be “misallocated”, but then dries up. Even if it takes one year for HK to make a decision about the amount and method, that money could still be put to good use.

  • narsfweasels

    I’ll donate foodstuffs and blankets, but never money. China crows enough about GDP and economic power – use it for the benefit of your people, not as part of some international pissing contest.

  • mr.wiener

    The title of this story is a little misleading. It makes the HKers out to be inhumane bastards rather than cautious givers.

    • Stupendous

      Another post makes Chinese officials out to all be watching sex shows and fondling ladyboys but no one complains about that.

    • Ron King

      Looking at the Chinese comments, I think most realized that. But who knows, common sense isn’t too common in the PRC

      • mr.wiener

        I hate to play the “yeh, but look at the west” card, but as Boston showed there are all sorts of knuckle-draggers willing and able to start swearing at Sikhs and confusing Czech republic with Chechnya.
        The only advantage to democracy [stupid and inefficient as it is] is the crazies stay in the minority and we can bumble along with only being fairly stupid some of the time instead of very stupid most of the time.

        • http://hiddengarments.cn/ Peter Cushing

          http://huff.to/OXDL8w

          That also happened after 9/11, above shortened link shows all the hate crimes against sikhs since 9/11. Shows people need to learn more about different cultures and geography, and realize that the main perpetrators behind 9/11 are from a country that is not yet on Usanias shite list.

          • ScottLoar

            A Sikh taxi cab drive is held up and it’s styled a “hate crime” by the Sikh community on a website of their design. My Chinese wife was mugged by a black thug in Chicago outside our apartment building. Was that a hate crime? If it happens to white American me, is that a hate crime?

          • http://hiddengarments.cn/ Peter Cushing

            I am not American nor have ever lived in the USA so don’t feel qualified to comment, but yes I can see your point about media bias. This happens in the UK also. My point was simply equating sikhs with muslims, shows low education by a lot of Americans. Even within Islam itself there are different sects, Shi’ites, Sunnis, Sufism, a lot hated Bin Laden, others wish for a more extreme Bin Laden. Sorry to hear about your wife though.

          • ScottLoar

            Wahhabism was unknown outside Saudi Arabia to all but a coterie of Middle-East analysts and religious scholars until one Osama bin Laden saw the presence of Western coalition forces in Saudi Arabia as a defilement and so launched terrorism against the West in general, the US in particular as the icon of Westernization (read “modernism”). I cannot find fault with most people failing to understand the protocols and details of such splinter creeds, any more than I expect persons outside the culture to understand extreme forms of Southern Baptism in the US. Sure, if one of those snake enthusiasts were to blow up London Bridge then it may prove noting their weird creed, but… c’mon, let’s be realistic.

          • http://hiddengarments.cn/ Peter Cushing

            Grammar my dear boy, would know nothing of it at all, left school at 16 with only one o level to me name like. No, dear boy, the school of life is all you need, that and a printer and a fake english degree, then china is your oyster. Now am I right or am I right?

            Differences yes, but didn’t some of those christian nutters, army of god, blow up an abortion clinic or two?!

        • Probotector

          “…democracy [stupid and inefficient as it is]…”

          So what system of government would you prefer?

          • mr.wiener

            Democracy of course.

            “It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.”

            Winston Churchill.

  • YanYan

    捐你条毛!!!香港唔系歉左你地!!! Do you know where it all goes?!!! Straight to Miss Guo next LV bag!! Ridiculous, Unless Mr Xi does something about the corruption there is no way me or the majority of HKer will donate our hard earned cash

    • linette lee

      “won’t donate even 10 cents”

      That’s a good title for this event. Hk must make a big fuss this time and send the message across to those China officials and China gov’t. Let them be ashamed and let the chinese raise debate across the china internet. This may be the way to force the central china gov’t to make sure all donation must go to the victims and not get stolen.

      • YanYan

        Actually there are people using the word “毛” which means hair. so it became we wont donate a single hair. I
        think alot of mainlander misunderstand HK. We donate bucketloads to
        country who needs help especially our neighbors. however the behavior of
        those in China and those who come to HK makes alot of people 反感. Lets hope they’re little better behaved this 51 holiday

  • Ron King

    “Not donating is good.”

    I want that t-shirt

  • Your Sexy Cousin Rex

    Three of my least favourite things: CORRUPTION, EARTHQUAKE, AND CHINA

  • Something Different

    Can’t blame them. Maybe if we weren’t reading about a new scandal involving corruption and theft by the government officials or subhuman, immoral people we would be more likely to donate. Start throwing all of these people in jail and maybe people will start trusting again…

  • Maxwell Thomas

    I understand when faced with 3rd world poverty & economic insecurity
    money is more of an issue/focus in ones life than those in 1st world
    countries but Chinese are all money money money, purely money…It’s all
    they talk about, think about, it is their God. It is pathetic, sad,
    deeply disturbing. This uniform personality trait, this disgusting
    obsession unique among Chinese alarms me as they[Chinese] will likely
    dominate the world(economically, if not militarily as well) in just a
    few decades.

    • Probotector

      I agree, and I shudder to think what the future holds for us all.

    • Germandude

      First food, then morals.

  • moody

    Title of the article “Hong Kong Refuses …”
    Bellow it reads “Some HKers refuse to ….”

    It really is not the same thing but who cares anymore, and i guess it plays well for some people to mix it all like that.

    The Mainland is doing far better than HK, maybe mainlanders should donate more.

    Sure it’s not the right way to look at it but …
    Does anybody has a link to a page where we can check donations made in the latest major cataclismic event (Tornados, floods …) and from whom ????
    Who helped and how ???

  • Kara

    When I visited HK last time, my friend told me the following story, a friend of his was a real estate agent in HK and one year after the Wenchuan earthquake, someone purchased a luxury flat in HK with CASH ( I’m talking about millions of dollars) which were in piles and still were wrapped in Wenchuan Earthquake Relief labels. That is one of the main reasons why I refused to donate money to any mainland government/organizations.

    For those who questioned why they didn’t report the police, it’s mainly because HK police have no power over it since they cannot start investigating corruption happens in mainland China.

  • Wai So

    This is clearly meant to be a distortion of the true facts. I’m in Hong Kong and have personally donated, as with many others in Hong Kong. We are all Chinese and nothing will change that fact! But the last time HK government donated for the Sichuan earthquake a local district built a brand new school, was never occupied or used, then torn down by a developer to build residential property. This is poor governance, money used clearly didn’t help anyone who desperately needed it and thus leaves a horrible taste in people’s mouths, regardless of who’s complaining. So some people are arguing against blindly throwing 100 million to continue feeding the rich while those in need may never a see dollar. At the same time, it’s also obvious the longer the wait, the more people in need will not receive the benefit. It is a dilemma but has nothing to do with not wanting to donate!

  • price to pay

    yes the donated money would disappear to mainland officials.to give it personally to the effected people would be best with tv on hand to show so they can rebuild there lives.where HK people show the rich chinese .how to have a balance in life and give from the heart trust respect to all people rich or poor.

  • Jin Ch’in

    Hong Kong people are just troublemakers..when will Beijing cut off their knees to bow down to their true master..Not the western like they seem to think. The “good” old days of imperial rule are over Honkers.

    • mr.wiener

      Yep the good new days of imperial rule are here, here comes the new boss, just like the old boss…No hang on the old boss never used to spit and piss in the street, And the honkies still remember what the new boss used to look like when they 1st came to HK to visit. All Mao suits, pudding bowl haircuts and little red books…..hmmm, it does make the old boss seem good by comparison don’t it?
      BTW I don’t think you can get some one to bow down by chopping their knees off. The just tend to flop around and bleed a lot if you do that. A swift kick to the back of the knee would be more effective, Just saying :)

  • Jimney Cricket

    Without Hong Kong donations, how will more Tufu-dreg houses be built? How will developers be able to buy more luxury cars and afford Cambridge University fees for their children? Please donate, people of Hong Kong. So many wealthy people rely on padding their already fat wallets with this money.

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