Man Let Go of Drowning Girl to Save Himself, Netizen Reactions

Drowning.

From Sina:

Man Tried to Save Drowning Girl, But Because She Was Too Heavy Chose to Let Go to Save Himself

[…]

On the afternoon of the 7th, Wu Bo, Chen Min and two other friends were hanging out at Lianhua Lake Scenic Spot in the Dazhou suburbs. To everyone’s surprise, Chen Min and the other girl accidentally fell into the lake. Wu Bo, who was swimming in the distance came to save them. According to him, he grabbed one of the girl’s hand, but he couldn’t save her because she was too heavy, so he had to let go, in order to save himself.

Yesterday [July 8], facing the reporter of this article, the 28-year-old Wu Bo sank to blaming himself. Him letting go, his friends being swallowed by the lake in the blink of an eye, this scene kept repeating itself like a scene in a movie in his mind…

Girls Fall into Lake

“The two girls were playing by the bank hand in hand. Suddenly I heard a scream, and they fell into the lake.”

A few days ago, I met the 17-year-old Li Qing, who worked at a tea house. Then, through friends’ introduction, I met the 18-year-old Liu Hai and the 17-year-old girl Chen Min. Chen Min had just taken her college entrance examination. The four of us had a lot in common, so we decided to hang out that weekend.

On [July] 7, it was a sunny day. I received a call from Li Qing, he asked me to hang out at Lianhua Lake. The four of us went to the scenic spot by bus. Because it was very hot, we chose a remote area to play in the water. It was a slope, and the rocks around the lake were steep.

Liu Hai and I went into the lake for a swim, and we swam toward the lake’s center. The two girls were playing by the bank hand in hand. After a while, Liu Hai told me his belly was aching, and he needed to use the bathroom, so he swam ashore. Not long before he did so, I heard a scream. When I looked back, I found that the two girls by the bank had fallen into the lake. That happened at about 4pm in the afternoon.

Letting Go in the Water

“Should I hold on or let go? If I held on, I might end up dead, too.”

Both of them didn’t know how to swim! I couldn’t think so much at the time, and I swam toward them from 7-8 meters away. I grabbed one of the girls by her hand, though I didn’t know whose. I just wanted to pull her out of the water. But she wouldn’t stop struggling and was dragging me into the water as well where I choked on a mouthful of water. No matter how hard I tried, I couldn’t pull her up, and I myself was beginning to sink.

I held on for more than a minute, but I just couldn’t pull her up, because she was too heavy, and wouldn’t stop struggling. I thought to myself, I’m not a good swimmer either. I was in a dilemma, should I hold on or let go? If I held on, I might end up dead, too.

After struggling a few times, I chose to let go, chose to save my own life first, then find another way to save them. After I let go, I watched them drown. I cried for help in the lake, but this area was too remote, and nobody came. At this time, Liu Hai heard my call and rushed to the bank. We found a 3-meter-long bamboo stick, and were planning to try the depth of the lake before going back in to try saving them. But because the lake was too deep, the bamboo stick couldn’t reach the bottom, we ultimately didn’t dare get back into the water.

Only Guilt is Left

“I hate myself for not being able to save them, I am truly sorry!”

At that very moment, a speedboat sped by by. I yelled at them, but the people on the boat didn’t hear me. After the speedboat had passed, we continued to cry for help and went looking for someone to help us. A few minutes later, the people on the speedboat heard our cries and returned, joining in the rescue.

A man on the boat jumped into the lake to save them, diving into the water many times. Watching him dive into the water repeatedly, we too were very nervous. We so hoped that he could save them. But to everyone’s shame, because the lake was too deep, he failed. There was no other way. The man drove his speed boat away, told us he was going to fetch the rescue gear. After the man had left, we went back to the shore to cry for help again. But because this area was too remote, we ultimately couldn’t find anyone. I felt very helpless then, and I could only go back to the lake and wait, hating myself for letting go, for not saving them.

More than 10 minutes later, the police and some of the the scenic spot’s employees arrived. Half an hour later, one of them girls was recovered and brought ashore. At about 7pm in the evening, the other girl was also recovered ashore. But unfortunately, both of them were dead.

I am so ashamed, I hate myself for not being able to save them, I am truly sorry! (Reported by intern reporter Jiang Long of Chengdu Commercial Daily)

[…]

According to lawyer Zhang Tianhong of Sichuan Qianheng Law Firm, this was an accident, and Wu Bo only had a moral obligation to save them [as opposed to legal obligation], and in this incident, he already fulfilled his obligation. There’s no need to be too hard on him.

Is He Legally Liable?

According to Zhang Tianhong, Wu Bo wasn’t the one who caused the danger, didn’t have a legal obligation to save them, and therefore can’t be considered negligent. The person in charge at Lianhua Lake Police Station also said that Wu already tried his very best to save the two girls when they were drowning, so he will not be held responsible. Right now, the police are still investigating this case. The family members of the two girls say the two men are definitely responsible. Through police negotiations, the two parties have reached a preliminary agreement where the two men will each give 50,000 yuan as compensation, but the agreement has yet to be fulfilled.

[…]

Comments from Sina:

w木爺w [北京海淀]:

There’s no need for you to feel guilty. After all, your own life is also life, it is also priceless. When you are powerless, choose to give up. No one will blame you unreasonably. After all, you tried your best!

沈嘉柯 [湖北武汉]:

He had already tried to save them, morality should shut up.

手机用户 [天津]:

Why should they compensate the families of the deceased? Those who tried saving someone but failed also suffer greatly in their hearts. China has already become a morbid/abnormal society and if it goes on like this, strangers will no longer be willing to help each other because the moment they start helping, you can only succeed, you can’t fail, or you’ll have to die trying. Likewise, in most Chinese people’s eyes, no matter good people or bad people, no one respects a stranger’s life.

JK_Nuke_丘海杰 [广西防城港]:

Should all three of them be dead to make it a heroic ending? Chinese people’s sacrifice-oneself-to-benefit-others thinking is so loathsome.

腐-优酱 [天津]:

I’d definitely let go, saving yourself first before saving others is common sense. Living and dying together, do you think this is a soap opera?!

胖子在秋天里 [新加坡新加坡]:

Let go. Or there would be three deaths.

醉卧江南独钓雪 [江苏苏州]:

When trying to save someone in the water, it is absolutely forbidden to do so by grabbing their hand. Usually, you wrap your arm around the drowning person’s neck from behind, to keep his/her head above the water as you drag them ashore. Otherwise, for someone who doesn’t know how to swim, he/she will grab onto anything his/her hands can reach with all his/her strength.

诗雯婷丝服饰旗舰店 [北京]:

In fact, when a fat person is drowning, don’t struggle, but try to keep your body relaxed, and you’ll slowly float to the surface.

手机用户 [湖北武汉]:

Damn, you asked the girls out and take them to swim, everybody knows what your dirty minds were up to. You intentionally chose a remote area to hang out, and suddenly something dangerous happened, but you didn’t have the courage to sacrifice your own lives to save them. Why didn’t you bring out the courage you had when you were asking them out to save them? Now they’re dead, do you think a sorry will suffice? Are the families of the two girls supposed to suffer this kind of outcome?

手机用户 [内蒙古呼和浩特]:

Suggest elementary schools and high schools provide swimming lessons, popularize swimming to all people. Actually, learning how to swim is not difficult. Those who are good with water can manage it in 3 days and given half a month, you can be a good swimmer. The government should feast and drink less, build some swimming pools for the children. What a wonderful thing that would be.

Comments from QQ:

腾讯网友 银河之光:

Son, you already tried your best.

腾讯网友 娟娟:

They already tried their best, must they sacrifice their own lives in saving them to be virtuous, to have fulfilled their responsibility? It isn’t as if they saw people dying and didn’t try to help. They couldn’t save them, and now you want them to pay compensation? If so, who will have the courage to save other people in the future? It’ll still be better being a bystander, not having to bear any responsibility, but still being able to rubberneck and watch the show!

腾讯网友 Cautious:

Saving yourself first before saving others, that is correct! Every life is precious!

腾讯网友 人冬:

Saving people is a social morality issue. They already did their best, but they have to compensate now that they have failed? I don’t think this makes sense. If everyone solves problems like this, is there anyone in China who would dare be a Good Samaritan? This is suppressing China’s positive energy [discouraging desirable behavior]. Moreover, the families of the deceased, just what right do you have to demand they pay compensation? If nobody bothered in this kind of situation, what could you do?

腾讯网友 如水:

“The family members of the two girls say the two men are definitely responsible. Through police negotiations, the two parties have reached a preliminary agreement where the two men will each give 50,000 yuan as compensation, but the agreement has yet to be fulfilled.” It’s one thing that they family members didn’t show any gratitude, but to extort them for money? That they went down to try saving them is already nice of them, do they have to sacrifice their own lives before you’ll let the matter drop?

腾讯网友 魔女海星:

As long as you’ve tried your best, everything’s okay. You’ve done enough.

腾讯网友 Fate.Monster:

Damn, Lei Feng is dead, and them going into the water was good enough already.

腾讯网友 海芋:

You tried your best, you are not to be blamed.

腾讯网友 ▄︻┻═┳一:

I support you, and despise those who belittle you! You did your best!

腾讯网友 友友:

One should make sure of his/her own safety before saving others, right? Those who are alive shouldn’t be so selfish. Do you think it’s easy to save someone who’s drowning?

What do you think?

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  • K

    another stupid case…just like the one where someone help old lady and being blamed for it..
    But i think maybe what the family means by the two men are being responsible,is that they are the one that asked the girls out there..
    they should keep an eye on those girls..
    well,probably they paid up because of the guilt,cannot be responsible..

    anyway, for the guy,he shouldn’t feel guilty that he cannot save it..
    To save a drowning person you need to know the technique i believe..
    because they will put up a struggle,and you might being pulled down as well.
    Not that i ever do that,just heard it before.

    • markus peg

      it was the 17 year old who invited everyone by the sounds of it. not the 28 year old who was interviewed…

    • Kevin Yu

      But the technique isnt really that hard. If they would teach it in schools, everyone could do it. I was taught this almost 12 or 13 years ago and could still do it. Grab the person by their armpits, get on your back and then just “pull” them to the shore. If it is a lake, it shouldnt be a problem at all.

      • Repatriated

        It is really easy, but you need to be a strong swimmer yourself to pull it off. My wife was asking me about this…and she tried to keep me afloat in the deep end of our pool and couldn’t. Not to mention, when a person is totally panicking, it’s even more difficult.

        • ryo

          Falcon punch to knock them the fuck out! Then pull them to shore.

          • Atlas

            I would definitely punch a Chinese person really hard in the face in hopes of stunning/knocking them out if I had to save one from drowning. Can’t even begin to imagine how dangerous it must be to help THEM when they are panicking.

          • Trollin’ in my 5.0

            OVA HERE MISTA WIENA!! GOPHER ATTACK!! Wow look, it’s another article to help
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            Chinese employers by excacerbating Chinamen’s situational ineptitude!
            Please comment on it so you can feel better about yourselves because you
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            fucks that all the Chinamen in the world care about what you guys
            think! Let’s go!

          • Mighty曹

            LMAO!

          • mr.wiener

            Well no sign of the 4chan army he said he was going to muster. All bluster perhaps. A bit like last night’s typhoon.

          • markus peg

            ultimate win

            Chinasmack 1 – 0 Troll (troll needs to upgrade to 5.1)

            [GIF IMG] EDIT: I cant upload Gif images? darn it was funny… it was a woman with boxing gloves hitting a man lots of times in his most royal area.

          • Mighty曹

            I doubt it unless he’s just ignored.

          • Guest

            Your text has clearly been copied from word. You cannot even type English without the help of MS word lol….
            Loser.

          • Trollin in my 5.0

            OVA HERE MISTA WIENA!! GOPHER ATTACK!! IT’S SPELLED GOPHER NOT ” GOFER ”
            YOU ESL TEACHER!! Wow look, it’s another article to help
            foreign ESL teachers in China with no degrees feel superior to their
            Chinese employers by excacerbating Chinamen’s situational ineptitude!
            Please comment on it so you can feel better about yourselves because you
            have no power to do anything else about it! I’ll translate the comments
            and post them on the Chinese web and we’ll sit back and see the whole 2
            fucks that all the Chinamen in the world care about what you guys
            think! Let’s go!..

          • lonetrey / Dan

            This.

            I think I would punch them in the face too. Not to save them of course, more because I’d be pissed as hell if someone was getting in the way of their own saving after I put myself on the line to help them.

          • Trollin in my 5.0

            OVA HERE MISTA WIENA!! GOPHER ATTACK!! IT’S SPELLED GOPHER NOT ” GOFER ”
            YOU ESL TEACHER!! Wow look, it’s another article to help
            foreign ESL teachers in China with no degrees feel superior to their
            Chinese employers by excacerbating Chinamen’s situational ineptitude!
            Please comment on it so you can feel better about yourselves because you
            have no power to do anything else about it! I’ll translate the comments
            and post them on the Chinese web and we’ll sit back and see the whole 2
            fucks that all the Chinamen in the world care about what you guys
            think! Let’s go!…

          • Trollin in my 5.0

            OVA HERE MISTA WIENA!! GOPHER ATTACK!! IT’S SPELLED GOPHER NOT ” GOFER ”
            YOU ESL TEACHER!! Wow look, it’s another article to help
            foreign ESL teachers in China with no degrees feel superior to their
            Chinese employers by excacerbating Chinamen’s situational ineptitude!
            Please comment on it so you can feel better about yourselves because you
            have no power to do anything else about it! I’ll translate the comments
            and post them on the Chinese web and we’ll sit back and see the whole 2
            fucks that all the Chinamen in the world care about what you guys
            think! Let’s go!….

      • Trollin in my 5.0

        YOU TIRED YET MISTA WIENA!!!!!! Wow look, it’s another article to help
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  • white.monkey

    Moral of the story?

    Let them sink, stand around and smoke a cig.. Then you yourself will not be liable..

    If you try to save them, instead of being praised for being a good samaritan you will be arrested and held responsible..

    • Zappa Frank

      that’s the cynisim china need ..like they do not have enough..

      • Tosserd

        China needs ? China needs a phookin good kick up the arse. hangin’s too good for em. China is a shit-hole because of the dumb-ass system in place,

      • Trollin’ in my 5.0

        yo it’s spelled cynicism, but since you’re an ESL Teacher in China, I wouldn’t expect you to know that. HEYA WIENA OVER HERE! BAN ME ! WIN! Wow look, it’s another article to help foreign ESL teachers in China with no degrees feel superior to their Chinese employers by excacerbating Chinamen’s situational ineptitude! Please comment on it so you can feel better about yourselves because you have no power to do anything else about it! I’ll translate the comments and post them on the Chinese web and we’ll sit back and see the whole 2 fucks that all the Chinamen in the world care about what you guys think! Let’s go!

  • Guest

    swimming lessons should be mandatory in schools.

  • markus peg

    Again, this is another reason why Chinese people need to learn how to swim at school… None of them could swim but decided to go into deep water??…. ” toward the lake’s center”

    Its a sad story the man tried to save them and couldn’t as he cant even swim himself…Yet the family are asking for 50,000 yuan from each man (100,000) their daughter just died and all they can think about is making some money from it..
    The man on the speed boat didn’t even know the girls, he was just passing by, heard screams and tried to help, why does he have to pay 50,000 compensation to the family?

    But why is a 28 year old man taking out a 17 year old girl…

    • K

      i think the two guys mentioned here are the two guys that were with the girls..
      one of the guy is 17 years old as well,Li Qing..

      • markus peg

        So he had only just met the 17 year old boy a few days before hand from a tea house who then introduced him to a 17 and 18 year old girl…
        A tad odd… but never mind.

        • Tadd

          I’m not odd… oh, oh I see

    • Germandude

      It’s also disgusting that it appears that a human life is valued for 50,000. Yuan that is.

      • Krilllove

        The government values life much less than this. I live here, I know. If the government could get away with paying less they would.

        • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

          Everyone lives or has lived there

          • Krilllove

            Really… and you don’t think people that don’t live in China can read this page? idiot. Making an assumption about commentors is presumptuous and stupid.

          • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

            Well, I am pretty sure Germandude (who you responded to) has. I know I have. I know a lot of the other regulars have or are currently living there. It’s just that this page usually only attracts those that live in China or have lived there.

            But, you know, you did kind of make an assumption about the government in the original post I replied to. Like you said, making an assumption is presumptuous and stupid. But hey, I bet you’re going to say that’s different, that you know so much because you live there. Right?

          • Germandude

            I am here for more than 5 years, but less than 10. If Krilllove thinks he can teach me (us) sth, I am open-ear. But he has got to come up with sth better than 2 liners and the major argument being “living here and therefore knowing”.

          • Ice_Kold

            Well… I appreciated your comment :)
            I am not from China, nor lived there. Nor am I from Asia. I am living in Canada and I’m caucasian. This site is just interesting to read.

            Thanks =)

          • takasar1

            let me break down for you the demographics of chinasmack/japancrush/koreabang. 50% are expats with a grudge, either lamenting their stupidity (they cant get a job elsewhere) or praying that their company relocates them to a place where the culture is more similar to their own. 40% are other asians who want to troll and hate on others. the final 10% are morons who dont deserve mentioning

          • mr.wiener

            I’d be in the final 10%
            Which one percentile are you?

          • takasar1

            same :)

        • Alex

          If you want to help other, must be successful, or you need pay for it…….what a society…

    • The Enlightened One

      Again… Asians really need to put swimming programs in their schools, this is yet again… and again… another example.

      And YET AGAIN…. shameless people are shameless (asking for 50 000 RMB for someone that tried to save your daughter is dishonoring her.)

      SHAMELESS!

      • winterbitten

        I want to say that the money is probably more so to help with the funeral costs and stuff. My girlfriend broke her teeth on a recent event with similar circumstances and got 20k yuan to help pay for everything, even though I personally feel it was her own fault and the men shouldn’t have had to help at all. Though it’s worth noting they were government officials who asked her to come drink with them to help build guanxi.

        All her friends agreed though, that the men should help pay. It’s the mentality here. If a rock from out of the blue smacks you in the head and you’re only here because I invited you, it’s “my” fault unless we’re already good friends and such.

      • x1sfg

        You’re crazy. Japan is the only country I can think of that has a swimming program. No other country I’ve been to, even Australia, has a real, public swimming program as part of a national, public elementary school curriculum.

        How about it should be the parent’s responsibility, not the school. Parents need to stop being lazy and NOT rely on public education to teach their kids basic skills, morals, ethics, and principles.

        • jon776

          Parents are often poor or just stupid so we need society to take care of that. Many European countries teach swimming in gym classes.

        • markus peg

          Most schools in the UK teach swimming at primary/middle schools.

          • AaronJH

            If it’s anything like swimming education in Australia, they just teach you to swim laps in a pool.

            Which is totally useless when you end up trapped somewhere where there is a current dragging you.

            I can swim laps of the pool all day, thanks to the basic swimming education I got in Australia’s schools. But in the few cases I’ve fallen into a river or found myself out of my depth in the ocean, I’ve needed help.

            Swimming in a current requires a totally different technique, which I have no idea how to perform. All I can do is tread water or pointlessly try to swim against the current until someone who knows what they’re doing can come and help.

          • mr.wiener

            In my school they took us down to the pier to learn how to swim ,but that was a bay beach. First time I ever went to an ocean beach [Rye back beach] I was really up shit creek. After getting caught in the rip and fighting against it for 30 mins I finally got swept out to the back breakers and some calmer water so I could get in again.
            Actually the treading water thing was what saved me. I’d get dumped by a wave and just bob back up again. It was only after I stopped fighting that I was able to save myself. A close run thing though, I was at the “whimpering in exhausted terror” stage.
            Rivers though. They give me the willies,

          • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

            Red River that separates Texas and Arkansas is a big, deadly thing. The pools next to the banks are in a constant state of violent rolling. It’s really obvious that there is a complex set of currents going on, yet rednecks keep swimming in it and their bodies are fished out miles down the river.

            I just want to wade in shallow streams and catch trout. All other bodies of water creep me out.

          • Dr Sun

            fall into rivers often ??

          • AaronJH

            Given there is one at my brother’s property, and we use it for irrigation water… yes.

          • Krillove

            Google help is amazing, why don;t you use it or drown, and there’d be one less Australian to worry about too. ha!Complainer.

          • mr.wiener

            Life savers here in Taiwan were walking down the beach giving out pamphlets with emergency phone numbers on it. Although I knew they meant it for people on the beach if some one was drowning I couldn’t help saying “i don’t usually swim with my phone on me”….I don’t think google would be much help at that time either.
            I’m starting to wonder if one less Krillove would be a good thing too?

          • Cogitans

            Aaron I was a competitive swimmer up through college and swim instructor in the United States here is my two cents. While I have not seen Australian programs I imagine they are little different than America’s. If that is the case, then they are fine as is.

            If you are caught in a current in the ocean just swim parallel to the shore, eventually you will be released and can make it back to shore pretty easily; no special instruction is needed there. Swimming against the current is how people get swept away and die and it is the worst possible thing you can do.

            As for rivers, if you are swimming in a river were you can be swept away, then you assume all risk and responsibility entering into the water because there is little to nothing that a swim instructor can teach you other than to get to the shore as quickly as possible.

            Most importantly, it is the responsibility of the individual to exercise their judgement in regards to the safety of a swimming location be it the ocean, lake, river or even a pool. Also, in any open or swiftly moving body of water. It is advisable that wear a life jacket.

          • Nina Cote

            u swim parallel to the current till your free from the current then swim back to shore never swim against it u will tire out and drown and if u swim with it you’ll get sucked out farther and probably drown

        • Dr Sun

          The UK does, so bang goes your argument

        • Krilllove

          Australia, America and New Zealand all have public swimming programmes you ignorant B- -

      • Krilllove

        Welcome to poor mental China. These people are lucky someone come to their aid at all. Most people in China would not help in fear of having to pay money to the victim they’re trying to save. In this country (I live here too) people are down-trodden, heartless, selfish and ambitious and will seek to make money of others (even fellow countrymen) for personal gain. It’s just how life is here. No one cares about each-other unless you’re family or a close friend in which you’re bound to help and guangxi is important for personal gain. There’s little life and heart in this culture. There’s too many people. People die in this country everyday from stupid accidents. Car crashes, defected buildings, unregulated and unsafe mining and building practices, the list goes on. Trust me, one less Chinese in this world is a good thing. They’re like parasites anyhow. I don;t care about anyone in this story. That’s how life is here.

        • Germandude

          “Trust me, one less Chinese in this world is a good thing. ”

          You are an asshat. Not an asset.

        • pookey

          Right, maybe you should get the fuck out of this country that you live in if you feel this way.

    • Krilllove

      Yes, I agree, more Chinese need to learnt o swim. But if they drown, why should it matter. There’s over a billion of them anyway.

      • markus peg

        If that’s the way you think Krillove then 911 doesn’t matter either because the earth has lost of humans…

        With that kind of thinking Krillove, you dont count as a human being, you are an animal.

        Every life is special, despite the worlds population that doesn’t make a human life worth less…

  • Terrik

    I’m finding it harder to blame the Chinese “stand and watch” mentality when I see stories like this one. He has to shell out 50,000?

    This society.

  • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

    “Half an hour later, one of them girls was recovered and brought ashore.”
    This article took a sudden Mississippi-sounding turn

    • Mighty曹

      Yah, he did done all he cud but the Lord just ain’t gave him no more strength to pull them gurls out the water.

  • Germandude

    “The family members of the two girls say the two men are definitely responsible.”

    Why am I not surprised about this?

    Anyways, I am sure he tried everything in his power to save them and if he failed, well, then he failed. He showed courage to risk his life and when figuring that he cannot rescue the girls and even puts himself into danger, he reduced the toll-fee by at least saving himself. Nothing wrong with that.
    On the other hand, China should really make swimming lessons part of their school education. It’s helpful and healthy.

    • Mighty曹

      If Wu Bo died trying to save the girls then his family will be the ones demanding compensation. What a fucking cycle!

    • http://www.richardfordphotography.com/ Richard Ford

      The parents are responsible. Teach you kids good water safety if not how to swim.

      • Mighty曹

        My father did when he tossed me in the pool when I was 5. Had he done that here now he would be arrested.

    • http://simplydesigned.tumblr.com/ maybeabanana

      I wonder why they don’t make that part of their education since swimming is one of the essential life skills, me thinks. I unfortunately got scared shitless as a toddler with the pre-kindergarten teacher who didn’t really know how to teach swimming by being shoved and held in the pool struggling. Teachers those days don’t like rebellious brats. Now that I think about it, they are horrible because they get frustrated with the children and seem to have taken their anger out on us.

      • http://www.richardfordphotography.com/ Richard Ford

        Imagine the liability that a swim school would need to insure against! Taking responsibility for a bunch of rocks learning to swim. At lest the rote system has a benefit here.

        • http://simplydesigned.tumblr.com/ maybeabanana

          True, that’s when these teachers who aren’t qualified swimming instructors should either hire someone, do some prepping classes besides just telling the kids to get in.. and one by one.. held our heads under water … we were babies.. they should be babying us in our understanding of fear etc.

          • Mighty曹

            At least teach kids how to stay afloat and tread water. I think that’s enough to prevent drowning.

          • http://simplydesigned.tumblr.com/ maybeabanana

            Good idea. Add in certain precautions when kids are in panic mode and forgetting to doggie paddle.

          • Mighty曹

            Really, simple doggie paddling would be enough.
            On an interesting note, babies are born natural swimmer. Seen that video where infants are tossed in the pool and they swim effortlessly?

          • http://simplydesigned.tumblr.com/ maybeabanana

            Yip, too bad my parents never did that.

          • Mighty曹

            You should be happy. It means they love you too much.

          • http://simplydesigned.tumblr.com/ maybeabanana

            Ha yes they love me.. but they also didn’t put too much thought into raising me. //truth//

          • Mighty曹

            You’re not in an asylum or prison with WiFi access, right?

          • http://simplydesigned.tumblr.com/ maybeabanana

            No, I am at my desk eating chicken fried rice that I just cooked.

          • Mighty曹

            You’re not incarcerated so they raised you alright. When you’re done eating call them and say ‘Thank you!’.

            Ne hm sai fun ghone?

          • http://simplydesigned.tumblr.com/ maybeabanana

            I work a schedule with every other friday off.

          • Mighty曹

            Gov’t job!

          • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

            That is just what your mind constructed. If you concentrate, you can wake up from your delusion and realize you are sitting in a padded cell, scratching messages in blood and feces on the wall. None of this is real, maybeabanana. We aren’t real, ChinaSMACK isn’t real, that chicken fried rice isn’t real…

          • Mighty曹

            Only the nightmare is real. hahaha… we’re gonna get Banana asking for either a red or blue pill.

          • http://simplydesigned.tumblr.com/ maybeabanana

            Dangit Morpheus!!

        • Mighty曹

          The parents will ‘demand’ money for every little mishaps that happen in and around the pool.

      • Germandude

        In today’s world, people can’t really be arsed by anything anymore really. We are all playing the selfish entitlement game. That’s just sad.

    • Trizzollizzin in my 5.0

      On the other hand, China should really make swimming lessons part of their school education. It’s helpful and healthy.–Germandude

      Yeah the Chinamen will be sure to make a note of what you said and push it up to their gov’t officials to institute swimming in schools and build more swimming poos. You can help with the effort by donating half of all of your life savings that you’ve earned just this year, cause the rest of it was blown on KTV. Feel better now? HAHA!

  • Germandude

    Also: “Why should they compensate the families of the deceased? Those who tried saving someone but failed also suffer greatly in their hearts. China has already become a morbid/abnormal society and if it goes on like this, strangers will no longer be willing to help each other because the moment they start helping, you can only succeed, you can’t fail, or you’ll have to die trying. Likewise, in most Chinese people’s eyes, no matter good people or bad people, no one respects a stranger’s life.”

    So true…

    • markus peg

      I like this comment by 腾讯网友 如水:

      “It’s one thing that they family members didn’t show any gratitude,
      but to extort them for money? That they went down to try saving them is
      already nice of them, do they have to sacrifice their own lives before
      you’ll let the matter drop?”

      • Germandude

        Yes, posted my comments before reading the Chinese comments. The whole compensation issue is just wrong here in China. Compensate for failing in offering help to save a life? In such a situation, you should try your best to help others without risking your own life towards odds that make it highly unlikely for yourself to come out of.

        • markus peg

          It’s the wrong way around, they should reward those who successfully help not fine those who fail to help when they try…

          They should fine people who don’t even try to help. (such as the person who got ran over and everyone walked passed without stopping to help…)

          • Germandude

            Yes, pretty odd system that is. In Germany, you can get fined for not attempting to help, while you are pretty much 100% secured if you help the wrong way. Example, car accident, person trapped in car and burns to death, because I didn’t help. I might get fined because of failure to aid performance.

            Other example: I helped to get the victim out of the car and in the process of first aid, I managed to suffocate the victim. Nothing much can happen to me, except they prove that I deliberately suffocated the victim.

  • 不要脸

    “The family members of the two girls say the two men are definitely responsible.”

    This is what happens when you have a whoring culture with the bride price, families view their daughters as a paycheck and men are expected to pay for the company of women. I bet the families saw two big RMB signs in their eyes when they found out that their daughters were going out on a date with two older, salary earning guys and then, when the family see that something has gone wrong and they could lose the possibility of daughter-whoring revenue, they damn right think that they should be compensated. The family don’t hold the guys responsible for the death, just the loss of income (which is often seen as worse anyway).

  • lin

    Oh gosh. Most Chinese people live by the water, and they ALWAYS like to hang out near water (streams/lakes) but you can’t swim? What’s the purpose of “playing water” if you can’t swim???

    People should really teach their children how to swim, even if the 2 girls knew how to doggy paddle, they wouldn’t have died. I feel sorry. Furthermore, when at a place without life guards, it’s best to prepare pool rings. Also, also check the deepness of the lake…you never know

    • mr.wiener

      I’ve told this story before.
      The guy I rescued from drowning was in a panic, but I told him [yelled at him actually] I wasn’t going to help him until he rolled onto his back and floated. Then I grabbed him by the collar.I would have waited until he’d really started to drown if he hadn’t. I wasn’t planning on dying by playing the hero.
      Trouble is people in China place greater value on extra math classes for their kids [Ok, that helps you get a job] or f*cking piano lessons [useful…not!!] than swimming lessons.

      • Mighty曹

        I’ve always heard “Don’t try to save someone who doesn’t know how to swim as they’ll just try to climb on you…”. But when my then-gf’s friend who didn’t know how to swim was struggling I went to save her without any thought going through my mind. It was quite weird.

        • KAMIKAZIPILOT

          You should follow what you heard. Unless you’re a very strong swimmer and trained, it’s very difficult to save a struggling swimmer. If anything grab a floatation device before trying to rescue them. Despite what we’re taught, sometimes in moments of panic, natural instinct takes over (wanting to rescue someone)

          • Mighty曹

            Exactly. Instinct takes over and you act on it. Lucky for me she wasn’t wildly flailing her arms. She was just bobbing slowly up and down. I even thought she was just playing at first until they started yelling, “Go help her! She can’t swim.”

          • The Enlightened One

            LOL…

            “they started yelling, “Go help her! She can’t swim.”

            “Well, thanks for telling me instead of rushing out there to help yourself since you already knew and I didn’t. Much appreciated!”

          • Mighty曹

            haha… Yeah really. But I guess because I was the only guy there and by that account the burden was placed upon me. Where’s the equality!!??

      • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

        I would sacrifice half of my swimming ability (I practically have gills from a childhood of constant swimming) for some extra math skills.

        • http://simplydesigned.tumblr.com/ maybeabanana

          Depends on what math specific skills. I wouldn’t do that beyond calculus.

          • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

            Just math in general. I struggled with it all through school and still do. I’m going to make sure my future extremely lucky children pay attention to math at a young age.

        • http://www.richardfordphotography.com/ Richard Ford

          Maths even!

      • lin

        Agree. Parents likes to teach their kids extra talents and would spend SO much money on it but they wouldn’t spend a few hundred dollars for some basic survival skills

      • The Enlightened One

        Did you have to compensate him by the way?

        Because you were shouting at him and causing stress that could have made him drown and taking too long to save him?

        Hey these excuses could work in a Chinese court.

        Or did he actually show some gratitude?

        • mr.wiener

          He’s in my Hash house harriers club. [Hash name:Arthur you fag] He’s been slapping me on the back and buying me beers ever since. Taiwanese are a bit more civil.

          • The Enlightened One

            Oh right, you are in Taiwan. I hear good things about that place.

  • sweaty

    If he just stood by, the family will blame him and he’ll have to pay.
    If he tried to save her, and failed, the family will blame him and he’ll have to pay.
    If he saved her, but she became a retard, the family will blame him and he’ll have to pay.
    If he saved her and she was alright, the family will say that she owes him her life, force him to marry her, and he’ll have to give her all his money for the rest of his life.

    • Nilerafter24

      And if he saved her but died in the process, the family would make his family pay for causing their daughter distress from seeing a man drown.

      • Lu

        Chinese men should give up on women. No matter if the woman is dead or alive, he’ll end up paying for her.

  • Nilerafter24

    This is why the by-stander effect is so rampant in China. You help, you get blamed and fined.
    The f*ck kind of logic is this?
    Does the family have no shame? Someone tries to help your daughter and you blame them for failing?
    Gone are the days when one could blame Chinese people for turning their heads to victims in need of rescue.

    • http://jacqui-low2.weebly.com/ Jacqui Low

      Exactly! I wouldn’t have helped anyway if I might die because of it!

  • Kevin Yu

    Are these comments kidding me? If it would be a traffic accident, everyone would say “I would have helped.” “How low we have fallen, not even saving anyone” but here it is okay to let go?

    Fuck. It it not that hard to save someone while he is drowning, at least when he isnt in some kind of panic. We learnt this during school and I would say everyone who can swim is able to rescue a normal person if the is drowning. They dont need to have some special sort of qualification for this…

    So this comment is kinda stupid:

    “Do you think it’s easy to save someone who’s drowning?”

    Yes, if you really know how to swim, also swim on the back, then it is easy.

    • Houjieh

      Well, the article does mention that the girl struggled and wouldn’t be calm. Trust me, it’s not easy to rescue a drowning person if they’re struggling, especially if you’re not a good swimmer yourself.

    • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

      You really need to be a strong swimmer who knows what they are doing when trying to save a frantic, desperate person who is doing anything they can to keep their head above water.

    • Germandude

      No way is it easy to save somebody from drowning. I tried it once in a pool (for practicing) and I can assure you that even if the victim’s weight is half of yours, it’s still freaking heavy and difficult.
      I also did a diving license and all I can say is: Take a 10kg belt around your chest and go swimming. It’s anything else but “easy mode”.

  • Repatriated

    “Both of them didn’t know how to swim! I couldn’t think so much at the time, and I swam toward them from 7-8 meters away.”

    1. How does someone that falls in from the shore get 7-8 meters from shore?
    2. If they were right at the shore, why did he jump in 7-8 meters away from them?

    • Mighty曹

      Highly suspicious.

    • Trollin in my 5.0

      YOU TIRED YET MISTA WIENA!!!!!! Wow look, it’s another article to help
      foreign ESL teachers in China with no degrees feel superior to their
      Chinese employers by excacerbating Chinamen’s situational ineptitude!
      Please comment on it so you can feel better about yourselves because you
      have no power to do anything else about it! I’ll translate the comments
      and post them on the Chinese web and we’ll sit back and see the whole 2
      fucks that all the Chinamen in the world care about what you guys
      think! Let’s go!…

  • lonetrey / Dan

    Asking for $8.1k USD… this is why I really hate people sometimes. Straight up tell them no.

    You already know how to prioritize yourself when it comes to not drowning, now prioritize yourself when it comes to not becoming destitute.

    • Tadd

      I don’t know why, but it bugs me that you decided to translate the RMB 50,000 to USD… The majority of us here on CS are/have either:

      a) living in China
      b) lived in China
      c) never been to China, but come here to troll, because they are racist, immature inbreds (rednecks).

      a) and b) are already 100% well aware of the value of the RMB and therefore its currency exchange rate to the USD. So, in theory, you are only informing c), the troll. Why? WHY!?! WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS!?!!?

      • The Enlightened One

        Probably because it even sounds worse.

        50k RMB sounds like more than $8.1k USD.

        When I see it in USD, I get even more appalled!

        • lonetrey / Dan

          Exactly! I’m not used to conversion, so when I first saw 50k RMB, it was most like a “eh. whatever” reaction from me.

      • POS

        You forgot D) Ethnic Chinese in the West who are super oversensitive to any perceived slight against the “motherland” by non-Chinese Westerners and thus feel it their duty to come here to troll and over compensate for their insecurities.

        • mr.wiener

          Some ethnic Chinese, not all. Most Chinese-Aussie I know are cool, one or two have a chip on their shoulders.

          • Repatriated

            Until the “banana” makes a trip to the homeland. They seem to morph into assholes during the trip.

        • lonetrey / Dan

          Ah, thanks. That was exactly what I was going to say actually. o_o

      • lonetrey / Dan

        Ah I was just putting it in terms that I could understand it it. If you tell me 50k yuan, I’d be like… “oh, is that like, $50 USD? Eh, I’d pay then.”

        But when you tell me it’s approx. $8,100 then I’d be slightly more alarmed, which I was! Sorry for the perceived offense, but I didn’t do it to annoy / hate on anyone.

        • Tadd

          Haha, yea I know why you did it. I was only joking with my first comment… I thought it was obvious :(
          Have you seen the movie “Team America”? Whenever they introduce a new location, for example ‘Egypt’, they add a little comment like “15,000miles west of the true America”, your post just kinda reminded me of that :)

  • BrandeX

    Shitty Chinamen. If they weren’t begging for money, then I guess they wouldn’t be Chinamen.

    • mr.wiener

      Well and good, but what about the guy who tried to help? By your logic [his lack of overweening self interest] Does this make him not a “Chinaman”?
      By the way, the 1910’s just rang. apparently they want their terminology back.

      • Dr Sun

        Wiener “don’t feed the trolls”

        • mr.wiener

          Guilty as charged M’lud.

          • Germandude

            He managed to write 2 sentences without major mistake. We got a rookie pro-troll candidate here. Eventhough his post is senseless, I give him a 3/10 + an extra point on style. We should not discourage him for now, maybe he will step up the troll career ladder one day and we can all tell our kids and grandchildren: “Yes, we knew BrandeX right from the beginning”.

  • 剑胆琴心

    hahaha!
    lucky i am good at swimming.i just learnt swimming in a pool same as most of my childhood friends,only took me 3 or 4 days same as riding a bike,all by myself…it’s a big and deep pool.after someone died there,nobody went swimming there any more.
    and i wont save anyone, maybe threw a rope or stick better…

    • Mighty曹

      You should’ve drowned in your mother’s womb.

      • 剑胆琴心

        好狗不挡道,好男不跟女斗!
        idiot!

        • Mighty曹

          但你不是女. 你是男!

    • Dr Sun

      bs, it takes a long time to learn to swim, try it sometime, then post back.

      • mr.wiener

        Hi doc. Long time no post.

      • 剑胆琴心

        because your too dumb.
        and maybe you listen to others too much.in fact,if you try to learn things by yourself,it’s much easier.

        • Dr Sun

          lol, try a better response, that was pathetic

    • Zappa Frank

      3 or 4 days… hahaha and you think to can swim!!… you’re funny..

      • http://www.richardfordphotography.com/ Richard Ford

        A lot of beach places in Aus now as well as “rock fishing” spots have signs in Chinese to try and stop the flood of drownings from Chinese tourists.

        Wish the same could be said about the big friggin red sign next to a swamp in the middle of the Northern Territory where German tourist a few years ago went swimming never to be seen again.

        Even Mr Magoo could see the silhouette of the croc!

        • KAMIKAZIPILOT

          OUCH! Dumb tourists.

          • mr.wiener

            ,,,,but tasy…nom nom! German tourists, pre-stuffed with sausage and beer.

          • Mighty曹

            Somehow “Oktoberfest” popped in mind.

        • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

          I’ve watched enough nature documentaries from different parts of the world to know never to set foot in any body of water in or around Australia.

          • Germandude

            You gotta go diving in the Great Barrier Reef at least once in your life, or you are missing out. And I guarantee you: Going there once, will make you come back again!

        • Mighty曹

          ‘Red’ is like a universal ‘NO’. Maybe he was color blind.

      • 剑胆琴心

        first,i am good at swimming,because i have ear problem,from the beginning i never put my head into water.and we were all village wild kids,who would teach us.we just learnt by ourselves.
        first we tried to float in water on the edge.put hands on the edge,try to practice body and legs.then we chose a gap,tried to reach another side,it’s not wide,and it’s on the edge not deep,but not very shallow,if we did not try hard to stretch out our arm still would drown,so this way we practice our arm.after we did this, then just practice and practice then we moved to the deep pool.we learnt swimming without any adult and buoy.

        maybe your just too dumb to find a way by yourself.

        • Zappa Frank

          you never put your head in the water and you think to be good at swim? So you were a village countryisde girl.. that’s explain a lot. Ok, i admire you did learn by yourslef.. but do not illude yourslef, you cannot swim, you just learnt to not drown, in a seawater or with some stream you would be dead in few seconds.

    • hyper

      sb

    • 程昱

      呵呵

  • POS

    One stereotype that is true; Chinese do not know how to swim. Its great having the whole deep end to yourself while the masses are packed like sardines at the shallow end. Of course you still have to share the same feces and urine polluted waters… thats why I dont go to pools in China anymore, or really pools anywhere for that matter.

    • Mighty曹

      I especially avoid kids’s pools and pools with bars. People sitting and drinking at pool bars are never seen getting up to go to the toilets.

      • YourSupremeCommander

        And the water near the bar is ALWAYS warmer than the rest of the pool.

        • Mighty曹

          And darker or yellower.

      • Dr Sun

        talking from experience of pissing in pools ?

        • Mighty曹

          Hahaha……. ha…. ha……..ha……..ha. I’m gonna drown.

    • YourSupremeCommander

      Chinese do not know how to swim – Piece Of Shit, how many swim & diving medals did China win in the last Olympics again?

      • Zappa Frank

        well, athletes in china live on another planet. according to medals chinese must also be very strong with have big muscles as they are extremely good in weight-lifting.

        • Mighty曹

          Another planet is correct. I’m not sure if they’re still doing this but in the past they have ‘Sports Committee’ members traveling around the country to search for children with potential in sports and “encourage” (word used loosely) to leave school and family to begin intensive training for world competitions and namely the Olympics. They’re not interested in teaching the majority to swim.

          • The Enlightened One

            It’s true. They basically take the kids to a concentration camp where they must live, breath, eat and piss their sport.

            Family contact is VERY minimal if at all. I heard a few cases of the kids (all grown up) not even allowed to see their parents until they win a medal. These kids go through training that may be similar to a military experiment in creating a super solider. They live in a place called “WIN GOLD MEDAL OR DIE” planet.

          • Mighty曹

            It’s really sad. Most of them aren’t really given a choice and lose their childhood.

            It’s a communism thing. This happens in North Korea and in the former USSR and the Eastern Bloc their zeal to show the world the superiority. But the Koreans do it mainly to entertain the Supreme/Dear Leaders.

      • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

        That’s like saying just about every South Korean are deadly with a compound bow, and everyone in the US are fast swimmers.

      • POS

        Chinese do not know how to swim, go to any pool in China with a deep end and count the number of people who venture past shoulder level. I tried to teach a Chinese girl to swim once, mission unsuccessful. My rough estimate is one in 20 can survive a spill in the deep end.

        PS easy on the profanity please, I know my name can illicit misinterpretation.

        • mr.wiener

          Party of Seven?
          Peace or Strife?
          Panic over Sweden?
          Punani of Strumpet?
          People often Sing?
          That’s Ok. People don’t know I’m a sausage maker. They think I’m bragging about my dick.
          Piece of Sausage?

          • POS

            Party of Sausages, Sausage party fellas! Actually no idea why I picked POS, I never use this handle on any other forum.

          • mr.wiener

            My life is a running Benny Hill gag….Cue the yakkity sax!!

          • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

            Everyone thinks I’m a cat. I’m actually a fox.

  • Dr Sun

    have you ever tried lifting a grown up person up just using your arms my guess no, as it’s impossible

    • Mighty曹

      In water, due to buoyancy, mass is lighter.

      • Dr Sun

        not when your lifting it up, or out of water, simple kinetics, study it.

        • Mighty曹

          I said “in water”. When lifting anything out of water it loses buoyancy. Save the studying and just experiment in a pool.

          *Kinetics is about ‘motion’.

          • Dr Sun

            yes I know what you said, now go stick your your arm in the swimming pool and lift a 100kg dead weight, with the mass of a human limp body out, without using your legs, can you ?

          • Mighty曹

            100kg dead weight? I can’t. I’m certain most people can’t. But in a situation where a 48kg person was drowning I was able to keep her afloat and pushed her back up the rocks.

          • Dr Sun

            good , but you could not pull her out, that being the point, no one could.

          • Mighty曹

            I misunderstood. I now see that you meant ‘lifting a grown up person’ from the shore. I was thinking lifting while in the water.

          • Atlas

            That’s funny because I can. Ahaha /weightlifter

          • Mighty曹

            But you are Atlas, he who bears the world on his back.

    • Zappa Frank

      why should someone lift a grown up person just using arms? i live by the sea and i did a lifesaving course to save people in the sea. There’s no reson to not use your legs. With a good technique you can lift from the pool even some superfat guys..

      • Dr Sun

        oh come on, how can you use your legs when your leaning out of a boat or over an embankment, you guys really need to start to thinking “reality based” not macho based.

        • Zappa Frank

          it’s not macho based, it’s the basic technique taught in every lifesaving course.

          • Dr Sun

            show us ? you leaning out of a small boat or over the embankment, just how your not going to end up in the water to if your either crouching or stood up, leaning over and trying to life a soaking wet 75 kg 5′ 3″ dead weight out from the water ?

            please post it

            ps don’t capsize your boat trying

          • Zappa Frank

            Dr Sun, it’s that if you do not know something than it’s impossibile.

            Basically you have to squat and make the person like “rebound” in the water, with a squat movement you can lift by far more than with arms and in the water in the beginning the weight is lighter, with that “rebound” (sorry i do not know how to discribe it, it’s like the cookies in the milk, push up and down..) it get easyer to pull it out.. In the lifesaving course we all did it from a pool side and from a boat.. girls included.. it is not so difficult

          • Zappa Frank

            i correct… the movement is more like a deadlift exercize of powelifting. if you know what i’m talking about it’s an exercize that allow anyone to pull the heaviest weight they can.. it’s easy to pull 2 times your bodyweight.

  • Mighty曹

    A more sinister scenario would be: 28-year old Wu Bo saw the opportunity to assault the two 17-year old girls while the 18-year old Liu Hai went to take a shit. The girls found themselves in deeper water as they tried to escape.

    Yes, “The government should feast and drink less, build some swimming pools for the children”.

  • Marcellus Wallace

    I now understand why people in China seem so heartless and don’t try to help someone in need. Because the victims family will try to make money off you instead of praising you for trying. That’s all messed up.

    • Dr Sun

      you clearly don’t know the American legal system- sue-sue sue
      Chinese are fast learners,lol

      • Marcellus Wallace

        I don’t because am not American.

        • Mighty曹

          What happened to Marcus Black?

          • Marcellus Wallace

            on holiday.

          • Mighty曹

            But came back as Marcellus Wallace.

          • Marcellus Wallace

            nope Marcellus just took his place until he comes back.

          • Mighty曹

            I think you snuffed him and assumed his identity.

          • mr.wiener

            He has his soul in a suitcase, Jules and Vincent will bring it over later.

          • Mighty曹

            I just watched it again (for the 6th time) last week. Jules’ transformation is so believable in how he saw the scripture differently. Two thumbs up!

  • http://www.richardfordphotography.com/ Richard Ford

    I remember when I did my royal life savig society silver meddle – they always drum in that you must not put yourself into danger either. As he said “I am not a good swimmer either”

  • Trizzollizzin in my 5.0

    Wow look, it’s another article to help foreign ESL teachers in China with no degrees feel superior to their Chinese employers by excacerbating Chinamen’s situational ineptitude! Please comment on it so you can feel better about yourselves because you have no power to do anything else about it! I’ll translate the comments and post them on the Chinese web and we’ll sit back and see the whole 2 fucks that all the Chinamen in the world care about what you guys think! Let’s go!

    • Mighty曹

      Rev up that 5.0!

      • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

        WIN!!

        • Mighty曹

          Have you checked my ‘mathematical photo’? That’s a WIN!!!

          • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

            lol yes WIN!!! Did you take any WIN!!! landscape shots?

          • Mighty曹

            Well, here’s a portrait shot. LOL!

            No, I thought about heading up to Pyramid Lake but decided it was too hot to go. It was 97-101 most days there.

          • Mighty曹

            WIN!!!

          • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

            Yeah fuck that, go early in the morning at sunrise. Should be more tolerable heat and you don’t want to be shooting outdoors with the sun glaring from above you anyway.
            Yeah it’s been about that temperature over here in Texas. The past two days, I watched giant lightning storms float by in the north, just out of reach. Sad.

          • Mighty曹

            Yeah lighting is everything. Dawn and dusk gives me the best feelings. I have thousands of shots of the sunset, which has never bored me.

            Lightning photos are one of nature’s coolest! But I’ve seen lightnings only twice in the last 10 years here. More quakes than lightnings. hahaha!

  • KAMIKAZIPILOT

    I would think people who can’t swim at all wouldn’t be hanging out by a lake where they could fall into the water. I mean it’s common sense right? Everyone everywhere should learn at least basic swimming techniques, like the “survival float”. If you can’t swim, a body of water is like a death trap. I just don’t get why people don’t learn to swim.

    And as far as the guy who tried to rescue the girls being held responsible, passing good samaritan laws will help, but really you can’t legislate morality, just like you can’t fix stupid.

  • Chris

    You shouldn’t try to save a drowning person by grabbing them. You’re supposed to use a stick or object or they will try to kill you to save themselves. People don’t think properly when they’re about to die (from drowning).

    • Mighty曹

      Oh wow, good to know!

  • Claude

    Really, a member of the human race exercising self preservation? We are hard wired to exercise self preservation. Before we left Africa we survived a drought that may have reduced the species to as little as 5000. We also endured major and minor ice ages. Evolutionary biology at work. The species will survive anything you throw at it.

    Was this man somehow not acting chivalrousness by not dying for this person? Doesn’t he not have family? Read Richard Dawkins, The Selfish Gene

    • Mighty曹

      Absolutely! Seeing that he failed to save one girl, let alone both, he immediately should have drowned himself.

  • Jeff

    it’s always about the compensation. Fucking China. Number one reason why I will never try to save anyone or help anyone in China. Cause if I fail, I gotta pay. Sorry Chinese people – you will die instead of getting my help because I don’t want to pay your family if my rescue is unsuccessful

    • Nick in Beijing

      Even if your rescue is successful you will be forced to pay.

      Happened to me.

      I only ended up giving 300 kuai to the guy, but they first made increasing demands from 500 at first, then got up to 10,000, then more and more.

      I got off because I argued well enough to get the crowd on my side who wanted to avoid letting Chinese people lose face because of the matter.

      • The Enlightened One

        What happened?

        You were forced to pay for helping someone?

        Was it one of those little old granny’s that said you hit her with your bike when you actually went to just help her up?

      • markus peg

        Sounds like you need/ed to lawyer up.

        In the UK I don’t have my own lawyer id just hire one if needed but in China I have one on the side lines just in case.

      • mr.wiener

        Full story?

      • Reptilian

        Pics or it didn’t happen. Kidding.

  • 5,000 years of uncivilization

    Also recommend mandatory swimming classes in Chinese schools. Every school should have a swimming pool. Then maybe in the future, we won’t have to read such tragic stories as often.

    • Trollin’ in my 5.0

      Yeah, great idea! I just translated your comment into Chinese and posted it to netease and within 2 minutes it recieved 50k replies ranging from “the fuck do you care? Are you gonna come over and make sure our public servants build the pools?” to “who the fuck are these foreigners with all this time on their hands trying to tell us what we need to do? I’ll tell you what we should get all these worthless non degree having ESL teachers and make them build the pools!”

    • 5,000 years of uncivilization

      Where did that troll go? It was just here a short while ago, left a some rather rude comments and then buggered off.

      • Anus Presley

        He probably felt the need to vigorously stroke himself

  • Trollin’ in my 5.0

    Wow look, it’s another article to help foreign ESL teachers in China with no degrees feel superior to their Chinese employers by excacerbating Chinamen’s situational ineptitude! Please comment on it so you can feel better about yourselves because you have no power to do anything else about it! I’ll translate the comments and post them on the Chinese web and we’ll sit back and see the whole 2 fucks that all the Chinamen in the world care about what you guys think! Let’s go!

    • Repatriated

      Trolling fail…

      • Trollin’ in my 5.0

        Actually the very fact that you said it’s a fail makes it a WIN! Especially after the fact that I’ve been banned by Mista Wiena and I’m still postin here! WIN!

        • Repatriated

          Seriously? If that’s what it takes to feel good about yourself…then…go for it. Probably about 5.99999999 billion people feel sorry for you, but in this economy, we’re not tossing change in your direction. Troll away…

  • Repatriated

    I’ll probably get downrated non-stop for this post….but…in the 3 months I’ve been back in the USA, after spending 8 years in China, I’m reminded daily what it means to be conscience and aware of other people. Chinese people seem to wander aimlessly, much like “walking dead” zombies, without any consideration for others.

    • Mighty曹

      Were you in for a culture shock upon your return to the States? Surely it must be difficult to stand in lines or drive in an orderly manner. I wish you a speedy recovery.

      • Repatriated

        Quite honestly, the “reverse culture shock” thing never happened. Fuck man, I think after 8 years in China, I’m probably about the most patient man in the USA…LMAO. I walk into my bank and after 30 secs they say “next”…I’m like “wait, you mean me!?!”

        • The Enlightened One

          Exactly my thoughts. A lot of Chinese people walk sort of like a zig zag pattern and this is why they bump into each other so much. When I went back home, small problems that were normally huge to me… meant nothing. I considered myself a patient person before but now when I go home I am like some kind of a monk in comparison.

          • Repatriated

            Someone cut me off yesterday and I laughed, seriously.

          • Mighty曹

            You’ve been ‘harmonized’.

        • http://www.richardfordphotography.com/ Richard Ford

          It +WILL+ happen. Just delayed onset and it can come in all forms, big and small. One thing I had to get used to in Aus after a decade in CN, was the most cafe’s don’t do table service. Order at the counter and take a number. I quite literally spent ages sitting about and then snapping at waitresses for not coming to my table.

          The big one though is listening to white trash and white people in general talk about “how hard” their life is and what they feel they are “entitled” too. No wonder Al Kyder thinks they have a shot. Westerners have become VERY soft.

          • mr.wiener

            For your enjoyment sir.

          • http://www.richardfordphotography.com/ Richard Ford

            So true. For a couple of years I felt like walking about with a cricket bat to cull the gene pool to get us back into a correct frame of mind. The anger at the blasé useless attitudes and capabilities of many of my co patriots has subsided. I will just let globalisation sort them out and smile a little bit more as I hear more and more mandarin about me and see more and more foreign students and migrants. Unfortunately it is the only way forward for those that have never been challenged in their life.

            On one level the Chinese are lucky. They +get+ the whole Hunter/Gatherer thing for survival. To quote Tyler Durden.

          • Mighty曹

            Even my short visits to China exposed me to the ‘chaos’ dynamics I had to readjust to when leaving.

  • Trollin’ in my 5.0

    Come on guys! You haven’t blocked my IP yet? HAHA! I’ve had my IP banned here 5 times already and all my comments deleted and I’m back again! WIN!

    • Mighty曹

      I admire your resilience. WIN!

      • Trollin’ in my 5.0

        I admire your Mightyness! WIN!

        • Mighty曹

          You admire wisely. WIN!!

      • mr.wiener

        I think we got a live one here, It’ll be like playing that arcade game “Bop a gofer” for the next few days.

        • Mighty曹

          Hahaha.. be careful. Don’t get carpal tunnel syndrome.

  • dingus

    wow thats bizzare, the guy trys to save them and the family sues. thats just sick.

    • Mighty曹

      That’s not bizarre. That’s China.

  • Nick in Beijing

    When I took swimming lessons as a young child I vaguely remember the instructor telling us not to attempt to save a drowning person unless we were strong enough to handle the person, and knew the correct techniques for grappling a panicked person in the water while still being able to swim yourself.

    Chinese care about money above all else. Most of them anyway. Good on this fellow and the boater for attempting rescue at all. Although I have the sinking suspicion that he would have asked for compensation if the rescue had been successful.

    • Mighty曹

      My first thought was, had he himself drowned would his family be the ones demanding money from the girls’ families? You bet.

  • The Enlightened One

    Do you remember when you were a kid?

    Maybe you used to watch Rocky and Bullwinkle… and they would have that Greek (or was it Roman) father that would tell his son a story with a moral and the son would humorously get it wrong but at the end the viewer would know the moral?

    Well, can you imagine if they played these stories how messed up you would be?

    “The moral of the story son, is that if you are drowning and someone comes to help you and fails then I should charge 50k RMB for not saving your life. So don’t drown okay?

    Hurray! Dad! Thanks for not teaching me how to swim but giving me all those piano lesson! Hurray!”

    • The Enlightened One

      Hurray!…. glurpppble… Hurr…

  • The Enlightened One

    How many of you married to a Chinese man/woman had to teach them how to swim? Or maybe just even a girlfriend/boyfriend or friend?

    taught my wife how to swim, before I met her… she barely knew how to even float on her back. You want to get rich? Let’s open up a swimming course to teach young kids swimming (and maybe English at the same time). Might be very lucrative. I am telling ya!

    • mr.wiener

      I had to.
      I still remember when I first taught her how to dog paddle, she was swimming up and down the beach for an hour saying:”Look at me! I’m swimming!”after that. She can breast stroke for kilometers now…….but only if the water is no deeper than her chin :)

      • The Enlightened One

        Hahaha… that’s what I taught my wife first… the doggy paddle.

        My wife was so happy too, she started getting all proud and teaching her friends. It seemed like it was very liberating for her, as I can imagine.

        Got to start off with the basics!

    • POS

      Tried, and failed :P I thought float on your back, arch your back and breath deep would be simple… nope

    • Cauffiel

      You wouldn’t make a dime. I don’t think Chinese want to learn how to swim.

      I could be wrong, but seeing how many drownings there are here, I speculate that many Chinese see water as extremely dangerous and throwing your kid in the water to teach them to swim is just asking for them to drown. That is, the best solution to the problem is viewed as part of the problem.

      • hess

        “many Chinese see water as extremely dangerous”. No shit, I’m always being told how “you cant swim here or there blablabla” and they always manages to come up with the stupidest fucking reasons as to why its dangerous. My favourite is “那儿有水草!”

        • Cauffiel

          Oh, there are plenty of reasons you don’t want to swim here or there in China. 有工业废料!

  • The Enlightened One

    Poor kid,

    In my eyes, he didn’t fail them. The system failed them, how?

    I could count the ways…

    1) Girls didn’t know how to swim at 17, both of them? Failed educational system.

    2) Boy could swim (but not well) but didn’t know how to help a drowning victim at a crucial moment. Yes, most western counties teach this. Failed educational system.

    3) Afterward, parents demand a sum of money because he couldn’t save them. Failed social moral teachings.

    4) Parents demanding money, could be because they are so poor.
    Failed social structure and distribution of wealth (extremely rich and extremely poor gap)

    • Cauffiel

      I could probably have saved both of them, like anyone else who can swim respectably well, which is most people where I’m from.

      What I want to know is…. if I had saved them, would each of the families give me 50,000??

  • Ballzn

    Of course the first thing the parents do is rub their hands and see how much money they can get, they have just lost their investment so they need to cash in somehow, sick society.

  • http://www.richardfordphotography.com/ Richard Ford

    It seems the troll was deleted. :-( Whats with all the ESL references? I spent 10 years in China and hardly ever met any of these “English Teachers”. People had normal jobs, some very weird in an “only in China” way. But what is the attack here or insult? Is there some issue with ESL teachers that I am not aware of??

    • mr.wiener

      The perception is that foreigners in China , particularly teachers, are failures in their own countries, both finacialy and socially, and come to China [asia] for the easy money and chicks.
      Like all stereotypes it has a grain of truth at the bottom, but I’d venture people who stay on in asia usually are successful and give a lot back.

      • http://www.richardfordphotography.com/ Richard Ford

        Weird. Why would one not take a job with easy money if all you like to do is travel and immerse in a new culture? How is that a negative? I would say a lot of the “posted” workers that I met were complete dead shits too. All cloistered in their organisations or housing complex.

        The real expats in general are a really amazing bunch of people. Highly successful in their own countries and China and often other ones too. Own property, businesses and create a lot of jobs and as you say, put a lot back in. And yes – also have fun as China is a hard place to do business and keep one’s sanity.

      • 上官

        That’s only true of the “teachers” who did not major in Teaching English as a Second Language. If they studied for it, I can respect them as a teacher. They actually have something to offer.

        • markus peg

          I agree and disagree at the same time. Teachers who haven’t trained “teaching” can also be good at teaching. It’s those who don’t care that cause problems.

          I knew a young guy who came to China without finishing their university degrees and would spend a lot of time with students in school teaching even when his class is over and they weren’t getting paid.

          It depends on both personality and skill (skill can also be acquired from teaching along time rather than just the qualification route) I knew a teacher who moved onto other things, but his heart is the same and helps the local community in any way he can.

      • markus peg

        I don’t think anyone comes to teach in China for the money…

        I don’t know that many foreign teachers in China but those i do know with or without qualifications don’t earn much.

        Even ones who teach at more than one school and have private lessons still only earn an equivalent to minimum wage in the UK.

        • Zappa Frank

          but the life costs are less than half than in UK.. (unless you live in SH or BJ).. than there’s still more than enough to save money

          • markus peg

            Despite that, i have never met anyone who has come to teach in China because of the money. I can undersand if people were coming to earn money in other types of jobs. But not teaching, unless they are getting paid by an overseas school in foreign currency.

            I would say the reasons i have heard the most are:
            culture, food, travel, gap year, fun, to get a working visa.
            never has anyone said “because of the salary”…

      • Zappa Frank

        well, teacher i’ve known weren’t that intrested in teaching, more in girls… some we could say came in china just to have girls and barely ever attend a lesson.. others came in china because in US they were homeless… not just unemployed, but homeless. Among ESL i’ve know just 2 had some teaching certification and have been teachers in their countries before came in china.
        It’s not just a grain of truth what chinese complain about ESL, maybe it’s just that i’ve been really unlucky, but i’ve seen everything that chinese say and even more..

        • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

          “others came in china because in US they were homeless… not just unemployed, but homeless”

          If you’re unemployed and homeless…how in the hell are you going to afford to move to China? You’re suggesting that actual hobos are managing to get a passport and visa in order and buy a plane ticket to go there? What, does China have some kind of refugee program to assist homeless people in realizing their dreams? Do they shave and bathe them upon arrival or just let them wear their rags until they get them into an apartment? Please elaborate on how these homeless Americans (or wherever else) make their way to China.

          • Zappa Frank

            i know it sounds strange, and it was the same for me when i heard their stories the first time. So it happened that one arrived helped by his brother and maybe parents with a tourist visa.. another one have lost his home, he was living in a sort of hostel, with hospitality of someone that i really forgot.. than he also helped by some friends got a chance to teach in a university or something.. they were homeless, but not living in a carton box on the street, more borderline if you ask me.. and both completely mad.

          • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

            Everyone speaks as if these people are the fault of the foreigners or the ESL teaching job. Think of the people who allow them in and the people who hire them. Those should be the ones you turn your nose up to.

    • markus peg

      Apparently, according to him, all foreigners in China are uneducated ESL teachers or french wine sellers..
      Its a stupid as saying all Chinese in the west are waiters/chefs… ignorant beyond saving, no point auguring with him. Disqus should add an “ignore” feature so his comments don’t show up for me, as i don’t want to see them.

      • http://www.richardfordphotography.com/ Richard Ford

        Whats with the french wine one…must’ve missed that one too…

        • markus peg

          I have no idea where that one came from. i haven’t met a single french wine seller in China.. but he seems to think they are “evil” lol

          • Zappa Frank

            i guess it was just that the troll in his rage wanted to hit as much stereotipes as possibile.. i’m waiting for italians restaurants, germans beer sellers, and so on..

    • Zappa Frank

      well.. what he says has some truth. i guess it’s up to the place you live in china, but personally i’ve met not few ESL.. nothing bad in this, but a part of them (and not a small part) had some mental problems at least.. some came in china with a fake degree, or even without, to teach english. Salary is higher than for chinese people, if you add a not so good behavior and that they usually can get a lot of young girls you understand why they’re pissed off. Usually a chinese guy is lucky if has 2 or 3 girls in his life, most of them need prositute to have sex or else will remain virigin.. it’s at least understandable.. and on the other side among ESL there is sometime a bad behavior that can reach a the madness condition in some cases.. i’ve personally known people that begin ESL in china but pretending to be some famous medical school president, movie director, lawyers, and so on in their country.. a french clamied to be a nobleman from her english mother side, an austrian taught as ESL pretending to have an english mother, one was famous to have a different girl in his bed every 3-4 night, there was another one that in bars was used to call chinese monekys and give them bananas.. and again 50-60 years old men with 20-25 years old girls.. that’s why they are pissed off, we cannot blame about that..
      Funny is that in their countries these are losers, no one would ever belive them, but in china, apparently, chinese belive in everything they say.

      • markus peg

        Those kind of people you are talking about are losers no matter what country they go to, not just losers in their home country.

        I wouldn’t want the reputation of those people to ruin it for all foreigners in China. I’m not even a teacher, i wouldn’t want people to assume i have these qualities just because i’m foreign. (the troll related these with all of us here) so yes i understand that opinion but that doesn’t mean all foreigners are bad, i cannot accept that attitude.

        • Zappa Frank

          well, this is an attitude that is not just chinese, it’s a human attitude. Few bad people can make all seem bad..
          However, it’s not that i want to justify anything, Richard asked for an explanation and that’s my explanation

          • markus peg

            I understand that it isn’t just a Chinese trait. people all over the world must look beyond the action of the few as it doesn’t reflect the many or the nation.

            Although having read another of your comments it does seem you have had a bad experience with the teachers you have met. I cannot believe a homeless man from the USA got a job.. how did he even find the job.. Shocking… China needs to screen its teachers and have a code of conduct for them.

            It’s not really my buisness to do anything about bad teachers but during my time here I have met two disgusting teachers, one was an old man who spoke to me about how hot his young students were (2009)… very inappropriate, i was sick to the stomach, luckily i was able to get him out of the city within a month, though i regret not telling him what i thought before he lost his job.

            Another is a fat loud American (recently) (He isn’t representing his country very well) he spends all his free time in a bar street saying dirty things to the locals while hitting on girls and drinking. I’m going to try and make sure he doesn’t stay for another school year.

          • Zappa Frank

            it’s not that i can say i had a bad experience, since i’m not chinese and it did not involve me directly. Besides i’ve described bad ESL as a reason why chinese do not like them, but my friends in china were mostly ESL too and were not of that kind.

            It was not a homeless, were 2. One came after his brother, a sort of hippy, and he was gentle and kind, not dangerous at all, but still completely insane, he was used to self-bless his food and repetitly asked to one of my friend if that was his “real” body.. The other one was a strange ultra-christian guy, he even bagged money to the embassy because didn’t have enough to buy a ticket..i was told later he’ve been to Ukraina, to work as ESL, were apparently he tried to push someone down fom a bridge..

            .

          • markus peg

            China seems to have more of those kind of teachers than other Asian countries for two reasons.

            1) Lots of schools are desperate for teachers and lower their standards giving anyone the job

            2) China is a big country with not enough qualified foreign teachers to fill all the positions, so those positions have to be filled up by unqualified teachers. a % of those teachers aren’t nice people, but most normal people don’t know who the qualified and unqualified teachers are apart from the people who hired them. leading to discrimination of all foreign teachers.

            personally i feel that a teacher who acts disgracefully reflects back onto the school, even if the school is great, those teachers can ruin its reputation. I would rather employ no teacher at all if i cant find a good one.

  • Michael Phillips

    He should learn to swim, so the next time this happens he can be a hero.

    • MeCampbell30

      Well said Mr. Phelps

  • Anus Presley

    “The family members of the two girls say the two men are definitely responsible.”

    Another
    couple of typical money-grubbing Chinese parents who view their
    children as mere commodities to be whored off for a quick buck.

    Hopefully these shameless pimps will get nothing.

  • Wonder Thunder

    Yet another reason why Chinese are hesitant to help their fellow brothers and sisters. The government needs to adopt better laws to protect do-gooders that assist those in need. The families of the two girls are shameful and should be ostracized for this misdeed towards a hero. Very shameful!

  • Alexander

    Where are the Boy Scouts when you need them…..?

  • Gary

    I always wonder what happiness is bought with the money received for dead children. Can someone explain?

  • Krilllove

    Good for him. He tried. In the end, he had to save himself. One less Chinese I guess. That’s not a bad thing!

    • mr.wiener

      It depends on your perception. From an economist’s point of view one less westerner [such as yourself] using 5-10 times as much resources in their lifetime as a Chinese person is a good thing.
      Good thing we’re not all heartless bastards hmmm?

  • a2sdd

    “The family members of the two girls say the two men are definitely
    responsible. Through police negotiations, the two parties have reached a
    preliminary agreement where the two men will each give 50,000 yuan as compensation, but the agreement has yet to be fulfilled.” wtf that’s messed up. It’s the girls’ responsibility to know how to swim if they’re going to play around an area like that.

  • Justin

    At first I was like, “what the hell?” But after reading the guy’s story I felt bad for him. He didn’t even know how to swim and tried to save her. That’s pretty admirable considering there were probably a lot of bystanders who could swim much better but didn’t lift a finger.

  • Tomino

    He is not guilty of killing them, but he is guilty of not knowing what to do… Its one of the general education they give you in foreign schools. If you see drowning person you need to realize that they are experiencing near-death feelings. That means they only instinct is to save their life. In this state human can produce enormous strength as well as doesn’t have full control over the body.

    So for others who would try to save someone drowning: You need to slap them really hard, best if you knock them out, and then drag their body out. It might feel bad, but if you don’t do that you end up dead as well or you are no good in helping.

  • Wi

    So there were two boy/men and 2 girls? The girls are 17-18 and the boy ( who swam back early) is 18 and Wu Bo is 28? They met him at a tea house? They went somewhere private and went swimming… I can understand why the parents of the girls blame the boys/men. The two girls don’t know how to swim? Why would they be in over their heads? I understand children drowning in ponds, but I don’t understand teenage girls going in water over their heads… Those two things would make me have doubts and if I was their parents I could come up with all kinds of scenarios where they boys were the problem.

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