Mayor Tells Child Victims of Sexual Assault to Keep Quiet?

From Sina Weibo:

@袁裕来律师: What a Deputy Mayor. Six elementary school girls were sexually assaulted and infected with sexually transmitted diseases [with symptoms] very likely to reoccur [throughout their lives], and Jiangxi Province Ruichang City Deputy Mayor Jiang Xianzhi who was put in charge of education instead says to the parents [of the victims]: ”If such a thing happened to my child, I’d quietly take her to a place where no one knows her for treatment, and wouldn’t ask the government for a cent.” http://t.cn/zQjg6KA. Deputy Mayor Jiang, you’re now famous! [弱]

Jiang Xianzhi, Jiangxi Province Ruichang City Deputy Mayor, sparked controversy after telling parents of children who were sexually assaulted by their teacher to quietly seek medical care where they are not known and not ask for a cent from the government.

Comments from Sina Weibo:

LEO_義少:

Eat shit, Shitty Mayor Jiang. [怒]

琴根:

Perhaps she used to be a whore. How can a person like this become an official? Better fire her TM ass. In charge of education, this kind of bitch’s remarks are what’s in her heart. Just what level of harmony must the educational atmosphere of that place be.

周洋_Henry:

Good ability, good leader, good policy!

朵朵美孩儿:

So generous. I hear the netizens’ reactions are very strong and very identical: ”Let her have it!” [群体围观]

闭眼看客:

Sacrificing her humanity to protect the government’s reputation, such a good cadre of the Party. Getting an excellent review at the end of the year won’t be a problem.

_陈贤鸿:

I just want to say [three] words to your daughter: Please contact me!

你是否听过许美静:

Deputy Mayor Jiang, the moment you said these words, your child could no longer continue in school, your husband could no longer continue at his place of work, and your parents could no longer continue where they live. It is you people who should quietly go to a place where no one knows you!

Freebirdcn:

That a person who says such outrageous things could become a deputy mayor and be put in charge of education just vividly demonstrates what Yi Zhongtian once said: If you’re not a retard, how can you be a leader?

盔壳:

The Heavenly Kingdom never lacks for scumbags who want to become famous.

烈风CZJA:

This can’t be real, can it?

From NetEase:

Deputy Mayor Responds to “Wouldn’t Ask The Government for Money If My Child Was Sexually Assaulted”

A recently published Xinmin Weekly investigative report regarding 6 little girls suffering sexual assault by a teacher quoted Jiangxi Ruichang City Deputy Mayor Jiang Xianzhi saying to the parents of the victims, “If such a thing happened to my child, I’d quietly take her to a place where no one knows her to be treated, and wouldn’t ask the government for a cent”. This remark incited a huge controversy. Yesterday [August 11], Jiang Xianzhi admitted that she said something similar, but stressed that there was a cause-and-effect and a particular situation [a reason and specific context].

According to Jiang Xianzhi, the reason she said “take her to a place where no one knows her for treatment” is not because she thinks encountering a sexual assault is something embarrassing and not to be mentioned, or that the victim should suffer in silence, but to occupy a mother’s perspective, she feels the child has already suffered physical and psychological trauma. To take them to public places such as city hall, and to have them under the stares of the public, is to hurt them [psychologically/emotionally] a second time.

“I may not have been careful when I spoke, but as a mother, I think the most important thing is to protect the child’s privacy, and heal the wounds on their body and mind”. According to Jiang Xianzhi, as for her saying “if I were the parent of one of the victims, ‘I wouldn’t go before the government to make a fuss, wouldn’t ask the government for a cent’”, is because at the time, she was explaining to the family members [of the victims] that the most important thing to do after this kind of thing is not going to the government demanding compensation but to resolve it in accordance with the law and regulations.

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Comments from Sina Weibo:

风流一夜 [网易山东省潍坊市网友]:

Shameless.

风扶兰 [网易波多黎各网友]:

Jiang Xianzhi, look at my mouth: CNM!

ppp788 [网易黑龙江省哈尔滨市网友]: (responding to above)

Just say it straight: fuck your mother. With this kind of beast of a mayor, there’s no need to be polite. To hell with being civilized usage of the internet. In the face of justice and human dignity, that’s all JB.

已经绝望的天朝P民 [网易辽宁省本溪市网友]: (responding to above)

Resolutely demand that this completely inhuman female mayor Jiang Xianzhi resign.

运城商校9014遛狗驯狗专家 [网易贵州省贵阳市网友]: (responding to above)

Mayor Jiang, didn’t your mother teach you not to lie? Please hand over your daughter!

散步抗击贪政 [网易广东省阳江市网友]:

A bandit was crossing the river and accidentally dropped the axe/hatchet he used during robberies into the water. Just as he was in distress, the river god appeared, who took out a hammer and asked: ”Is this yours?” “No.” Then he took out a sickle and asked: ”Is this yours?” “No.” The river god nodded his head with approval: ”You’re quite honest for a brigand, so I’ll give you both of these. Combined, they’re more powerful than an axe.”

胡思不乱写 [网易广东省佛山市网友]:

Please Pay for Our Indifference: 1935, New York mayor Laguardia was sitting in a court trial: a old woman was fined 10 USD for stealing bread for her grandson. After the trail, the mayor took off his hat and put 10 USD into it, and said: ”Now, everyone please pay a 50 cent fine, to pay for our apathy and indifference, to punish ourselves for living in a city where a grandmother has to steal bread in order to feed her grandson.”

天一的天天下第一的一 [网易陕西省西安市网友]:

The People’s Daily: Without Leaders, the People’s Creativity Cannot be Brought Out — 2013 July 24

The People’s Daily: Leaders & Officials Frequently “Wash Their Faces” to Maintain Purity — 2012 April 17

Xinhua News Agency: Opinions Such as Most Officials are Corrupt and that There is More Corruption the More it is Fought Against are Wrong — 2013 June 7

Shaanxi Police Using Government Vehicle for Vacation Fined Lightly, Officials Claim “It’s Not Easy to Bringing Up an Official” — 2012 August 23

Global Times Editorial: Must Allow a Moderate Amount of Corruption in China, the People Should Be Understanding — Sina News — 2012 May 30 [see this chinaSMACK post]

The People’s Daily: The Media Excessively Exaggerates Corruption Aggravating the Public’s Anxiety–News, Tencent.com — 2012 March 1

Xinhua Online: Western Multi-Party Systems Didn’t Put an End to Corruption–NetEase News Center — 2013 June 8

Party journal “Seek Truth”: Netizens Should Know that Spouting Abuse Online Won’t Bring Down the Party or the Government — 2013 June 17

The People’s Daily: The Government Should Do What it Can to Improve the People’s Lives, But Individual Struggle/Improvement is the True Path — 2013 July 22

The People’s Daily: Germany Also Has ‘Comparing Fathers’ [the phenomenon of people comparing family background/connections], Rags to Riches Stories in the US Extremely Rare — News, Tencent.com — 2013 July 12

The People’s Daily: As Long as It Doesn’t Break the Law, ‘Comparing Fathers’ is Just Human Nature — 2013 July 23

The People’s Daily: Online Public Opinion Isn’t Completely Equivalent to Actual Public Opinion — 2013 July 23 [see this chinaSMACK post]

The People’s Daily: Criticizing the Government as Having Nothing Redeemable Just Because of Some Corruption is Extremism — 2012 June 14

The People’s Daily: Our System [Policies/Governance] is Advanced and Reasonable, Should Strengthen Confidence in System — 2013 August 9

The People’s Daily: Should Bring [Grassroots] Online Anti-Corruption [Efforts] into Formal Legal Recognition and Systemization — 2012 December 3

The People’s DailyChina Economy Weekly: Weibo [Grassroots] Anti-Corruption [Efforts] Should Return to Rationality, Rumors & Violence in Online Trials [in the courts of online public opinion] — 2012 December 11

The People’s Court Daily Talks Li Tianyi Case: A Society with Rule of Law Does Not Tolerate Weibo Trials [trail by online mob] — 2013 August 5

wanghai1018h [网易陕西省手机网友]: (responding to above)

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  • mr.wiener

    Words fail me…Is “douchebag” a strong enough description for this honest official?

    • willie miller

      Not strong enough mate.

    • nqk123

      what’s a word for less than animal?

      • Beelzebub

        primordial?

        • lonetrey / Dan

          @nqk123: scum?

          • Beelzebub

            scum? bit lost here

          • Beelzebub

            Your avatar is a bit annoying, just saying, you look very korean or taiwanese

          • biggj

            hahaha, He was not calling you scum. He was saying a word for less than animal. Responding to nqk123. Now you apologize to him.haha What you said was rude and uncalled for!!! You like making chinamen cry? tsk tsk tsk. lol

          • Beelzebub

            fair enough, I proffer my most humble apologies. His avatar is still a bit annoying however, the eyes of darkness are on HIM!

          • biggj

            Yeah, something is not right….he seems a bit too happy…you have be careful around people like that…Speaking of pictures..is yours of Alice Cooper?

          • lonetrey / Dan

            …. i AM Taiwanese! But Chinese people did think I was Korean while I was at college. -___-

          • mr.wiener

            Why did they think you were Korean, were you an angry drunk?

          • lonetrey / Dan

            Haha, no it was because of my glasses, of all things!

            And maybe my haircut, but I don’t think my hairstyle is that Korean. My squarish glasses definitely made them think I was Korean, because I asked the Chinese guy who owned the takeout place I frequently ordered from.

            After I told him I was about to graduate after 4 years of eating at that place, he was like “Oh… you’re Chinese!? I didn’t use Chinese and only spoke English to you because I thought you were Korean! O_O”

          • John Harvey Kellogg

            I still say you are Korean.

          • Mihel

            How inconsiderate of you to look exactly what you are!

            You look like a very happy guy, that does not look appropriate here given the general pessimistic tone of cS comment section.
            Go take a photo where you look less like an happy taiwanese person!

          • lonetrey / Dan

            Actually, I am told that I have a natural frown! My face is usually a :<

            I think this profile picture is one of the few I have that's not me with a :< pasted on my face…. -_-

          • John Harvey Kellogg

            Taiwanese, I have heard there is racism in Taiwan against foreigners. I still think you look Korean however.

          • lonetrey / Dan

            I don’t think it’s very obvious racism. If there is, it’s probably the same kind of racism that Americans treat Asians with, that notion of “perpetual foreigners” deal.

            I haven’t seen any dislike towards foreigners, only the “oh you’re not Taiwanese!” reaction.

          • mr.wiener

            My wife gets that all the time, her family are from the south and have aboriginal heritage they aren’t admitting to. Taiwanese are always telling her “Wow your Chinese is so good” [for a foreigner] She tells ‘em right back. “thanks, so is yours” :)

          • linette lee

            The Taiwanese aborigines aren’t they the native to the island of Taiwan? So your wife has a bit of the native blood? She should tell those taiwan chinese like wow…for a non native you sure are familiar with my island Taiwan.

          • mr.wiener

            She could just cut their heads off, but that would be too mean.

          • lonetrey / Dan

            LMAOOO Hahaha I like that reply!

          • mr.wiener

            What she really means is “Fuck you arsehole”.

      • vincent_t

        black!
        ok bad joke hehe (running away …….)

        • Kennedy Jamal

          You should’ve said Yellow … Your jokes reflects who you are ..

          • vincent_t

            Yes sir, joke is only funny when it is not pointed at you.

            Next time I will say Kennedy Jamal instead of black.
            Ok, another bad joke (running away again)

          • Kennedy Jamal

            knock yourself out …!

  • Mighty曹

    Human flesh her!
    Oh that’s not necessary. Let’s storm her office!
    LOL@ “It is you people who should quietly go to a place where no one knows you!”

    • Mihel

      I read it this way: “Victims, stop making a fuss about being raped and shut up so we can all forget this episode and continue our lives as if nothing happened. Oh, while you’re at it, go live somewhere we can’t see you, so we won’t be unpleasantly reminded of your situation.”

      Because clearly being raped isn’t enough, on top of that you have to change home, city, workplace and friends.

      • Mighty曹

        And remember, don’t ask the gov’t for a cent!

      • Kiwi

        Wouldn’t it be funny if she ate her own words?

        • Mihel

          No it wouldn’t, because although I do not sympathize with her opinions, that would mean more rapes instead of less.

          The only thing that would be funny for me would be if she was forced to resign her political role and change home, city, worplace and friends as a consequence for suggesting other people to change home, city, workplace and friends.

          • Robert Rou

            I think the mayor was telling the victims to find treatment privately and anonymously. However, finding just compensation is probably a good thing, but I’d leave it up to the victims, because unfortunately in a public trial, there are material costs as well.

          • Kiwi

            She’ll still be wishing she had never said them either way

  • biggj

    I don’t know…what she says kind of makes sense. Look at kid the that got raped in his ass and got a std…they even had pictures of the kids ass hole on the Internet. I don’t think she mean” try not to get justice”…I think she just means try to be as discrete as you can about it. Don’t go parading the poor kid up and down the street. Maybe this woman is a bit too far one way….but when it comes to privacy, china is too far the other way.

    Anyone ever been to a doctor in china? And just have some random people in the doctors room while you are in there waiting for you to finish? There is no privacy there.

    If you were raped would want your friends and neighbors knowing every little detail about it? and going on weibo to see your mom put medicine on your ass and pictures of you all on the Internet? That sucks pretty hard.

    • Mighty曹

      So fix the system. Set up a clinic that can meet all the shortcomings instead of telling the victims to just disappear.

      • biggj

        Who me? lol I ain’t setting up shit!!!haha

        Serious though, would you want to go back to school after you were raped in china and all your classmates seen your mom put medicine on your ass on the internet? I would not go back to the same school…there is no way I could.

        Even if you have the best clinic you still have to deal with chinese people and chinese media. I would be the one wanting to move away…not my parents.

        • Mighty曹

          Heck no! I’ll disappear into the mountains before sundown. But I’m saying the gov’t should set up treatment and care for the victims.

          • biggj

            Yeah they should…..but no time for shit like that. Is it profitable???nope…then no time. haha Too busy building ghost cities.

          • Mighty曹

            Truly sad. The victims won’t even get a visit from the 3 officials.

          • biggj

            All they need to do is say the government officials name 10 times in a mirror and you can see them standing with you…..try it…it’s for reals..

          • 剑胆琴心

            hahaha your so funny!
            hahaha!

            btw, i always keep mirror far away when sleep…

          • Woodbine Willie

            why are you afraid of the mirror? demons?

          • vincent_t

            can’t you tell from her profile picture?

          • Woodbine Willie

            tell what?

          • vincent_t

            come on, don’t make me explain my joke and spoil the fun

          • Woodbine Willie

            fair enough, just I’m not as sharp as you rental income lads, guffaw guffaw

          • Woodbine Willie

            Ah, I got cha. I was just on a CRACK comedown, and had not slept in days, my bad mistake. Very good indeed, 10/10! Bravo Vincento!

          • biggj

            My whole ceiling in my bedroom is a mirror…It’s kinky. And no, you can’t come over. lol….well….do you know how to work a video camera? :)

          • Agus Dwikarna

            It only takes 5 times for Candyman.

          • biggj

            Candyman is black. I assume that has something to do with it. ahahah

          • Agus Dwikarna

            Yeah, makes you kinda hooked, right?

    • chandlerpatrick

      I had a sore throat, and had to go to the doctor, random people DID start coming into the room, I noticed the people, told them to leave, and then closed the office door…

    • BlackSugarDaddy

      Give yourself a break , bigg Jean
      You are about to work yourself to death following Chinasmack
      Daddy feel hurt to see you like this

    • lonetrey / Dan

      You bring up a good point. This mayor sure didn’t phrase it correctly though.

    • Alphy

      She surely could have phrase it differently, it’s the last part of her comment about compensation that most people are angry about.

      I am sure those Chinese parent’s knows, and are loosing tons of face doing such a stunt, it is China that we are talking about, face is the first thing they think about. Though to the parents, they must have felt that justice was more important than face, or their child’s dignity… They probably yell back at this deputy mayor, and said: “What you want us to trust the government process instead? If we don’t make a fuse, there will be no justice.”

    • Dumbledore

      On the doctors thing: I frequently have to physically pull random people away who wander over to look at my charts or what the doc is writing about my son/wife whatever. Also, I’ve had to tell people to go fuck themselves if somebody official is looking at my passport or driving license, and random strangers think it’s perfectly OK to check out my personal information (identity theft is huge here) Sometimes I really can’t believe it’s happening.

  • mwanafa

    There are two options on this:-
    1.Go to a secret place and treat the kid, don’t let no one know about it and forget it happened.
    2.Report the case, let the law take it’s course.
    Which one will you choose, I for one will take the 2nd option. I ain’t living in the 10th century.

  • Karze

    Morals of communism and Mao philosophy at best. Listen to leader and jump in fire it officials ask you to. Nothing surprising. Is this what Mao preached and practised.

    • Cauffiel

      What the goddamn are you talking about?

  • Serpico

    She was bold about what she said, but if the second news article was honest and it is her who actually said that, not a guy who prepared all this for her, then I actually agree with her. Making the case loud would not be good for the victims. As she said, she had context to say such thing, we don’t know 100% what occured. Fuck up the teacher who raped these children and take every single penny from him – ok, let him die in pain, but otherwise…

    • mwanafa

      I believe these cases happens everyday, every single minute. But we don’t hear of them because most of the parents choose to just stay quiet and protect the kid from shame. And those who do these things knows this, it’s just like the girls in a overcrowded bus when those horny guys ejaculate on them, most of them choose to be quiet, get back home and clean their clothes, then take it as if it never happened.
      These people will stop soon as the society speak of this problem, but if the victims don’t report the crime “who will know there is this kind of thing happening”. And “who will know it’s effects?”.
      If we keep hiding the wrongdoings of the people to protect the face of the victims, then we should expect these things happening everyday.

  • Kai

    I wonder if the outraged Chinese netizens are letting their knee-jerk prejudice against government officials (anyone in a position of authority/power really) color the way they’re interpreting her statements.

    Her response about the context of the conversation leads me to wonder if she felt the parents were more intent on getting compensation than getting justice, whereas I think many of the netizens assume the parents are precisely doing just that in demanding compensation.

    Thing is, there’s still a difference with wanting the government to catch and punish the teacher responsible and wanting to be compensated. If we’re inclined to believe the deputy mayor, does that mean the parents are behaving in a way that suggests they’re being insensitive to what the kids are going through, even going so far as parading their kids for sympathy intent to shame the authorities into compensating them? Or is that just how the deputy mayor is interpreting or even framing what the parents are doing?

    Is the deputy mayor saying: If my kid had been sexually assaulted, my first priority would be to minimize any embarrassment to them and avoid them being stimatized, rather than being preoccupied with demanding financial compensation from the government?

    Or is she saying what many people automatically assume? That she’s trying to avoid embarrassment for the government by telling the parents to not make a fuss and draw attention to the matter? That the government owes them nothing and they shouldn’t be demanding anything?

    We don’t have enough information. There’s ways to see both sides in a really negative, unpleasant light. Are the parents kicking up a stink because they believe it increases their odds of getting justice and resitution? Or do they have more selfish, exploitive motives? Are they ignorant or insensitive to how the children might be affected by their method of campaigning? How believable is the deputy mayor’s clarification? Is she judgmental of the parents’ actions or is she doing damage control for the government?

    • biggj

      I think she is saying:

      “If my kid had been sexually assaulted, my first priority would be to
      minimize any embarrassment to them and avoid them being stigmatized,
      rather than being preoccupied with demanding financial compensation from
      the government?”

      I honestly don’t think it has to do with any damage control for the government. Something like this, the last thing on your mind should be money…first should be the welfare of the kid…then justice…and then maybe make the person pay…but why should the government have to pay anything? Should be on the person that raped the kid…not the government.

      The way I comprehend what she meant makes sense and does not seem bad at all. She seems to care more about the health of the child then anything else..which is what should happen.

      • Kai

        I’m trying to look at this in different ways.

        I agree it reflects poorly on people if the first thing on their mind in this situation is money. So the question is: Are the parents guilty of this? Or is the deputy mayor the one thinking the parents are just after money? Or, conspiratorially, is she trying to make them look like that? Granted, if she were trying to do the third, she’s done a piss poor job of it.

        But you have to wonder why, based on her response, she is suggesting the parents are preoccupied with demanding money from the government. She’s clarified her remarks to the parents as her saying she herself would more sensitive to the children’s trauma and privacy RATHER THAN parading them around making a scene demanding compensation.

        Is that a fair characterization of what the parents are doing? I think a lot of Chinese netizens, who are predisposed to viewing government officials as enemies of the people, who don’t have the people’s interests at heart, and who have all too often shirked responsibility, assume or see the parents’ actions as blameless or natural. It may be, but WE know there are different ways to go about things, and different empahses.

        For example, there’s a difference between being ignorant of the possible psychological harm they’re exposing their kids to in doing what they can to draw more attention to this injustice in order to increase the odds of the government doing something about it, and not caring about it. The former may be the parents doing the best they can based on what they know. The latter is the parents possibly being selfish, greedy, exploitive.

        Likewise, the same issue exists with the deputy mayor. Was she trying to advise them “as a mother”, trying to or even shaming them into seeing a larger picture with consideration to their children? Or was she doing so in order to shirk responsibility and rebut claims against her and the government?

        I don’t think anyone is saying the teacher who raped the kid doesn’t have to pay. I think they see the educational apparatus as also being responsible for the actions of the teacher, for having employed the teacher and put the teacher in a position to harm their children. This isn’t a very strange notion to me. People complain to and sue schools, school districts, etc. all the time for the actions of their employees just as people sue companies for the actions of their employees as well. The deputy mayor seems to be responsible for the educational arm of the government, so she’s fielding this problem.

        Like you, I’m not ready to interpret what she said as negatively as how many MANY people are. I’m just interesting by what it might reflect about the underlying situation, which we don’t have much information about.

    • Mihel

      By keeping quiet you make harder for other people to know there’s a paedophile/rapist in town.
      Sure, you might not want to parade your abused child around (those children will have to cope with it sooner or later anyway), but keeping quiet about the whole matter is not good either.

      It’s not the victims that should search a new place to live, their parents shouldn’t leave their job, they shouldn’t change house, town, their friends and acquaintances. Not to mention that this is also costy process, and some families might not be able to afford buying a new house and changing jobs, so suggesting they shouldn’t seek compensation is pretty tasteless.

      • biggj

        Who should give them compensation? The person who did it or the government?

        She’s not saying don’t tell anyone about it. Just be discrete. Do what you can and hope the law can do something about it. If it’s just some regular person and not a government official, the law probably will do something about it.

        I don;t think she means leave your town…but take her to a place a way for treatment. But if I was the kid that got raped, would you want to go back to school? If the media never got a hold of it maybe I would…but look what happened to that boy that got raped…there is no fucking way I would go back to school after that. Pictures on the Internet of his ass!! That pretty bad man. I think this woman just means keep it kind of on the down low for the kids sake. Instead of parading the kids identity all around…parade the rapist around.

        • Mihel

          Who should give them compensation? The person who did it or the government?

          I’m definitely not an expert of civil law or anything, and on top of that I know nothing of how laws work in China, but I guess the rapist (and eventually the people who covered him) must provide financial compensation for the medical expenses at the very least.

          I understand that if this happened to you, you would not want to go back to school – it is definitely your choice and I respect that. But I think you would rather have people that support you and help you face the situation (if you choose to do so), than people whose first advice is to hide away.

          My main issue with this is that although everyone has the right to react however they want, external advice, especially if coming from a politician, should not be to keep quiet. Politicians are pubblic figures, they should use their influence in better ways.

      • Germandude

        Exactly. That kid deserves money for a) being compensated for the pain it went through and b) to afford psychologists that help to get through this thing. The sooner the better, because sooner or later, conscious will bring back memories and if you don’t know how to deal with that, it really screws your life.
        Hiding in another town and pretending nothing has happened, won’t help at all. And not getting any compensation that allows affording proper treatment will only result in a ticking bomb.

      • Kai

        I think that’s the problem. I think a lot of people are interpreting the deputy mayor as suggesting the parents of the victims not seek compensation. However, based on her response to the controversy, she seems to be saying that’s not what she’s suggesting at all.

        She’s not telling them to keep quiet in the sense of not reporting the crime, just in the sense that they should minimize embarrassment and stigmitization of the children. She’s saying they should be focused on the child’s interests rather than busying themselves demanding money. Taken out of context, that last part is pretty tasteless, but in context, she’s basically saying the parents have their priorities wrong.

        Let me try to phrase what I think MIGHT be what she intended to say: “If this happened to my child, I’d quietly take her to some place where no one knows her to get medical care so she wouldn’t be embarrassed and stigmatized. I wouldn’t be parading her around in public demanding compensation because that would cause her more embarrassment and stigmatization. I’d definitely report the crime and demand justice for my child, including from the government, but I’d be considerate of her privacy and first try the proper channels.”

        Then again, her saying what “she would do” kinda opens a can of worms itself (which is why netizens are comment about her daughter above). It’s going to be hard to reach out to the victims’ parents so long as they’re ready to see you as the enemy, as an obstacle to justice (or compensation). So this is a really delicate matter. Even the above phrasing I made could easily be excerpted and taken out of context to make the deputy mayor seem to be saying what she isn’t, to inflame people.

        So how about this: “Your children deserve justice and the government, including me, will do what we can to help you get it. Your children have suffered a terrible thing, do you think it is a good idea to make them suffer the stares of everyone in the city so everyone knows they were sexually assaulted?”

        I’m iffy on the second sentence. If someone is predisposed to seeing you as the enemy enough, anything you say can be interpreted the wrong way.

        • Mihel

          Let’s agree to disagree then. Although I see you interpret her words as an advice for the families meant to protect their children wellbeing; reading between the lines I see this as an admonishment not to cause a fuss about the events and not create negative pubblicity.

          I think these families should encourage their children not to be ashamed by the fact they have been abused, not to hide away in fear of what people around them might think or say – please note I’m not suggesting they should take pictures of their asses and post them on the internet as “proof” they have been raped, like in recent news. The govern/system/local community should provide help for the families of those little victims stand tall and face society, not encourage them to run away in attempt to avoid shame.

          Sure, these children and their families might in the end chose privacy over facing society, but it shouldn’t be suggested to them as the primary option to deal with what happened. Politely suggesting them to go away surely is less troublesome (and costy) than building a healthy environment where problems are openly dealt with.
          See how they are preoccupied with these children wellbeing? They suggested the families to take the option that required whoever is in charge the least amount of effort.

          As harsh as it may sound, many children in the next generations will benefit from the fact these victims faced criticism and shame instead of hiding where nobody knew who they were. Many will find the courage to tell they have been abused, inspired by those positive examples.
          How today victims deal with this issue will impact how tomorrow victims will deal with theirs.

          The “privacy” this lady speaks about is a short lived relief that benefits more the pubblic image of the city than the victims she seeks to protect.

          Let it be clear that I do not think she wants children to get raped or anything, and yes, anyone’s words can be misinterpreted when taken out of context, but nothing in this article makes me think she puts children safety above her and her fellow politicians “face”. Not even above their pockets, since she doesn’t want families to receive financial help for curing their daughters STDs (let alone the cost of years of psychological care).

          • Kai

            You’ve misunderstood me. My larger point is about the disconnect between what she claims she was saying and how many people are interpreting her, including you, and the reasons for that.

            Where we differ is your certainty that she doesn’t “want the families to receive financial help”. It could be construed that way by how her statements were presented initially, but we have to consider her subsequent response about her comments being taken out of context. You think she’s telling the families not to expect any financial help. She’s saying, she was admonishing them for prioritizing compensation demands over the privacy of their children. It’s like admonishing an ambulance chaser, lawyers who figuratively encourage the injured in an accident to sue, without sensitivity to the priority of getting medical care.

            Read the last translated paragraph of the NetEase article. So long as the law provides for the family being compensated, she’s telling them to work through the law, not telling them they won’t receive financial help. Yes, we can suspect she’s making excuses for her earlier comments, but how certain are we that her earlier comments weren’t taken out of context in the first place?

      • percymay

        Mihel, you’re right. Informing the public that there is a pedophile or rapist among them is not the role of the Chinese judicial system.

        The concept of justice doe not exist in China. China pays lip service to some Confucian mumbo-jumbo but China has no principles or values of right and wrong.

        China has no ethical system to guide the society’s behavior. This is why the most corrupt are the officials.

        Monetary compensation takes the place of justice or righteousness, but this is used only when forced to.

        The mother of Neil Heywood, man murdered by Bo Xilai’s wife, is now begging the Chinese Government to show “compassion” and award compensation to her two grandchildren.

        She may get a few dollars if she stays quiet, but she got no justice for her son’s murder.

    • donnachadh

      I wouldn’t call it knee-jerk prejudice against government officials; more like experience-based conclusions as to how officials generally behave.

      And yes, most likely the parents are looking for compensation, not justice. People don’t expect justice from officials after being wronged by them. People do know when they have leverage on an official however, and their experience has taught them that to get anything from this official they must make full use of such leverage. Appealing to an official’s sense of justice does not even occur to them.

      As a westerner you might look down on this way of behaving, but try a few years of appealing for justice, simply because it is just, to Chinese officials and you will see that you have no choice but to behave in such a way.

      • Kai

        I think the way people respond to this, how they interpret the sides and their actions/statements, says a lot about what their own biases and prejudices.

        If you want to euphemize it as “experience-based conclusions”, you can, but it’s the same thing, so long as you’re not judging by the facts and situation at hand but upon what you suspect or speculate about how this or that person/identity “generally” behaves.

        I think you understand my point. What I go on to say is that there’s actually ways to see either side really negatively if one were predisposed to (just like your belief that most likely the parents are looking for compensation, not justice), all based on “experience-based conclusions” as to how so and so “generally” behave.

        To what extent are either side living up to those stereotypes? Is either side being intentionally framed with those stereotypes? These are questions I think interesting. There is perception and truth, and the former can be manipulated.

        I don’t think I’m looking down on this “way of behaving”. I’m pretty certain my history of comments on this site and elsewhere amply demonstrate that I’m possibly more open-minded to understanding why people behave the way they do given their circumstances than most who would be quicker to judging those people according to my own values or “Western” values.

        • donnachadh

          It’s not the same thing, prejudice comes before experience or evidence, reasonable judgement comes afterwards. And it is perfectly reasonable to presume that the official in this case is probably lying, based on experience and evidence of how officials in China generally behave. Presuming that somebody is behaving in a way that does not fit the general pattern (and without any particular reason for this belief) is what is unreasonable.

          Of course in a court of law everybody should be presumed innocent until proved guilty. I am not claiming that it has been proved beyond reasonable doubt that the official was lying. I am simply claiming that this is the most reasonable prima facie interpretation of the situation.

          • Kai

            No, prejudice comes before knowledge of the facts but is itself based upon preconceptions derived from personal “experience” aka “experience-based conclusions”. I’m using the word correctly and appropriately.

            If a person has a preconception of person A based on experience with person B, that person has a prejudice and bias. If a person is predisposed to interpreting something person A says based upon their experience with person B, that person has a prejudice and bias.

            “Reasonable” to me is subjective and I would argue a lower bar than “rational”. Something could be reasonable to me based upon what I know, but isn’t objectively rational. I can find someone’s conclusions to be reasonable based upon my identification and empathy with what they know, but I can still find their conclusion objectively irrational. In this case, for example, I find it reasonable, understandable, empathizable that people generally distrust government officials. But is it rational? No. Each instance should be evaluated upon the relevant facts of the matter.

            I’m not claiming the Chinese netizens’ interpretation of the situation is unreasonable. I am discussing if sticking with certainty to that intial interpretation is justified after the deputy mayor’s response. Sure, the interpretation may have been prima facie to some people, but does it stand up to scrutiny? How do you prove what she meant without resorting to conclusions drawn from prejudice and bias? If we want to insist on a particular read of her comments that she claims is taken out of context and not what she meant, then we at least need additional relevant comments by her to suggest our read was indeed correct and that she’s now backpeddling or trying to weasel out of it. But do we have that? No.

            I don’t think people’s initial reactions were unreasonable, but again: I wonder if the outraged Chinese netizens are letting their knee-jerk prejudice against government officials color the way they’re interpreting her statements.

            I don’t think it is unreasonable to wonder this.

          • donnachadh

            You’re confusing two different things. It would indeed be prejudiced to declare this particular woman ‘guilty as charged’ without further investigation. It is not prejudiced (it is both rational and reasonable) to claim that she is probably ‘guilty as charged’ based on the fact that she is a government official and on her comments.

          • donnachadh

            Maybe a comparison would help. You would be prejudiced to declare that Mary must be shorter than me because she is female and I am (an average height) male. You would not be prejudiced to say that she is probably shorter than me based on these facts.

            If a judge knew that the shorter of the two suspects (the two suspects being Mary and me) must have committed the murder then she would be wrong to declare Mary guilty based on her being female (and therefore probably the shorter of the two suspects).

            If, on the other hand, the judge were deciding (not in her capacity as a judge of course) which of the two suspects to live with, she would be perfectly justified in choosing me based on the fact that I am less likely to be a murderer than Mary.

            The netizens above are not (acting in their capacity as) judges. They are perfectly justified (reasonable and rational) in their conclusions.

          • Kai

            I wonder if the outraged Chinese netizens are letting their knee-jerk prejudice against government officials (anyone in a position of authority/power really) color the way they’re interpreting her statements.

            Do Chinese netizens have a prejudice against government officials? Arguably yes.

            Can that prejudice color they way they interpret a government official’s statements? Arguably yes.

            Do the outraged Chinese netizen comments above represent interpretations of the deputy mayor’s statements that have been colored by prejudice against government officials? I wonder.

            In other words, I think there’s merit to such a hypothesis and am interested in discussion about it.

            Simple test: How would the prevailing netizen sentiments change if the identity of the person who made these statements changed?

            If it doesn’t change, then identity and prejudice against identity can be ruled out. But it likely would, because all the assumptions and preconceptions of ulterior motives underpinning the interpretations of her statements are affected.

            If there are multiple ways to interpret a statement, how you interpret it reveals your prejudices and biases.

          • donnachadh

            Chinese people have good reasons to have the attitudes they have towards government officials. It is not prejudice. If a particular government official presents convincing evidence that they are not a corrupt selfish liar but people continue to believe that they are a corrupt selfish liar just because they are a government official then this is prejudice. The official in question has not presented any such evidence, in fact she has presented evidence of the opposite. It is reasonable and rational to presume that she is more than likely a corrupt selfish liar and to interpret her statements in this light.

            If people required the kind of proof demanded in a court of law before judging people’s statements, actions, and characters in everyday life then very few such judgements would ever be made. Nobody would know who to trust, who to do business with, who to vote for, who to be friends with, who to date, or who to avoid.

          • Robert Rou

            And why should people adhere to your advice to rush to judgment? Are you or anyone else the man to judge her morale character? Have you yourself witnessed a consistent history of self-serving, egregious from that woman?

            If she has committed a crime, she should be brought before a court of law and have evidence presented before her of her wrongdoing. China needs more due process, not less.

          • donnachadh

            This woman is a public official. The public (including me) are the ones to judge her moral character in so far as it affects her dealings with them (as in this case). And I never said she committed a crime (nor has anyone else as far as I know). It is possible to claim that someone has acted inappropriately, or immorally, without claiming that they have committed a crime. Yes China needs more due process … and clear thinking.

          • Kai

            I’m not saying Chinese people don’t have good reasons, am I? In fact, you’ve surely read many of my comments on this post and you surely have see me attest to that very notion, right?

            That doesn’t mean they don’t have prejudice and bias. It doesn’t mean their prejudices and biases, developed from good reasons, haven’t colored their interpretation of subsequent events involving government officials. No, this is the very definition of prejudice.

            This deputy mayor did not present convincing evidence that she is a corrupt selfish liar. She said something that could mean multiple things but they settled on one particular interpretation BASED upon their preconceived notions of government officials. The statements were interpreted as “convincing evidence” of the validity of their preconceived notions. That interpretation itself is the manifestation of prejudice.

            Their inability or decision not to consider her statements as saying something else and/or subsequently give her the benefit of the doubt when she responded that she was taken out of context are manifestations of prejudice.

            The fact that people operate with generalizations fueling biases and prejudices on a daily basis does not change the fact that such behavior is bias and prejudice. These are words with definitions.

            You argue the deputy mayor hasn’t presented convincing evidence of her not being a corrupt selfish liar. What evidence do you have of her being one? A Weibo post? One that wasn’t even written by herself? One that could be hearsay? That could’ve taken her statements out of context? One that could’ve cherry-picked her statements? One that could’ve entirely failed to quote her properly? Why is that legitimate evidence at all? Why do you accord more authority to this hearsay than another hearsay…if not because you are predisposed (prejudiced, biased) to believing one identity versus another? To believing “the people” versus “the government official”?

            Again, simple test, if her statements were uttered by someone who wasn’t a government official, would so many people have the interpretation they have? Would this statement be interpreted as “convincing evidence” of government officials being corrupt selfish liars? No, because central to this interpretation is the identity of the speaker and preconceived notions of that identity.

    • maja

      I think I see your point, were they just bargaining?
      Still you CAN’T say that kind of stuff and hope to go unscathed, at least in front of the public opinion.
      She’s the official in charge an she’s saying “you’d better not ask money from the government, believe me I know better, I’m in the government myself”.
      Personally, I think she’s right. The family should first seek compensation form the teacher, THEN from the school, THEN ask for the teacher expulsion from the education trade, THEN ask the principal to take moral responsibility, THEN pretend the authorities to show consideration about the incident (like in some kind of reulation, stricter surveillance).
      still, were they just bargaining? who can know… let’s say the final judgement on this would depend on the final solution that will adopted. be it 1 or 100 there will be a “verdict”.

      • Kai

        I’m not sure if they’re bargaining. That didn’t cross my mind actually.

        I agree you can’t say that kind of stuff and hope to go unscathed. I’m giving her the benefit of the doubt that she was taken out of context but she still could’ve been more careful with her words.

        The problem she’s facing is how people are interpreting her words, where they place their emphasis, how they recharacterize it to others, and how that characterization expands or gets darker…when what she said originally may not have said oe even implied nearly so much.

        • maja

          I guess netizens can be angry since it seems she’s saying something like, either you renounce to every form of compensation or you’ll have to make a huge fuss about the whole matter and you may regret having given up your privacy to the media. Specifically to internet.
          I’d be angry too.

  • chandlerpatrick

    I undertand that she is talking discretion, but not asking for compensation? Please… Pandora is already out of the box, these kids are already well known around the internet by now, and will be living with it for the rest of their lives. It’s unfortunate to have your 15 minutes of fame in that way, but some good can hopefully come of it, awareness at least. This gash is trying to sweep this under the rug, because it looks bad on her municipality. “If it were my daughter” Jesus Christ, if it were your daughter? It’s not your fucking daughter! Shut the fuck up!

  • Ivan Teo

    That’s the Chinese way of solving problem.

  • Alexander

    So when is the public execution supposed to take place for the criminals who committed these crimes against the children? Surely if the PLA gets to put a bullet through your head for selling drugs there would be a similar if not harsher treatment from criminals that rape children…….

  • mr.wiener

    Any word on who the rapist[s] is?

    • donnachadh

      Yes, the CCP.

    • Mihel

      They were suggested to hide where nobody knew them so they could preserve their privacy.

  • Germandude

    I mean, just look at her. She is secretly wishing that some random guy would open her up and sexually assaulted her…

  • Germandude

    “A bandit was crossing the river and accidentally dropped the axe/hatchet he used during robberies into the water. Just as he was in distress, the river god appeared, who took out a hammer and asked: ”Is this yours?” “No.” Then he took out a sickle and asked: ”Is this yours?” “No.” The river god nodded his head with approval: ”You’re quite honest for a brigand, so I’ll give you both of these. Combined, they’re more powerful than an axe.”

    Brilliant comment by the way.

    • Cauffiel

      Yeah, but the river god is not so honest. That dude owes me $400.

  • Beelzebub

    This is the problem with confucianism in east asian countries, not just you know where on this site. Always keep quiet, hide things, never admit anything, sweep everything under the carpet, and never hang out your dirty laundry. But when caught out they stamp and shout, throw their toys out of the pram, and cover their ears, and won’t listen to reason. Face, my arse.

    • vincent_t

      true, that happens in China, but actually, I am not quite sure what is confucianism. Mind to elaborate?

      • Beelzebub

        a belief system that values the group over the rights of the individual and does not respect the individual as a person, not a religion. more here:

        http://factsanddetails.com/china.php?itemid=88

        • Kai

          You’ve got to be joking.

          The core of Confucianism is humanism, or what the philosopher Herbert Fingarette calls “the secular as sacred.” The focus of spiritual concern is this world and the family, not the gods and not the afterlife.[2] Confucianism broadly speaking does not exalt faithfulness to divine will or higher law.[3] This stance rests on the belief that human beings are teachable, improvable and perfectible through personal and communal endeavor especially self-cultivation and self-creation. Confucian thought focuses on the cultivation of virtue and maintenance of ethics. Some of the basic Confucian ethical concepts and practices include ren, yi, and li. Ren is an obligation of altruism and humaneness for other individuals. Yi is the upholding of righteousness and the moral disposition to do good. Li is a system of norms and propriety that determines how a person should properly act in everyday life. Confucianism holds one in contempt, either passively or actively, for the failure of upholding the cardinal moral values of ren and yi.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confucianism

          Your characterization of Confucianism is closer to superficial stereotypes of “utilitarianism” than Confucianism.

          • Woodbine Willie

            Humanism, it is still man made laws, and not based on contracts, or rule of law. Oriental despotism, nothing like any religion!

          • vincent_t

            humanism is despotism because it doesn’t follow the dogma that some hypocrite prophet claimed coming from the God?

          • fabulous

            Oh Vincent_t. I can see he’s offended your religion, but you should just accept that not everyone follows your religion. Religious zealotry is so easily misdirected.

          • vincent_t

            er, may be you didn’t see the question mark at the end of my question above?

          • fabulous

            How about I clear this up vincent_t?

            Are you saying…
            “So, humanism is despotism because it doesn’t follow the dogma that some hypocrite prophet claimed coming from the God?”
            …if so, my reply would have been…
            “Oh Vincent_t. I can see he’s offended your religion, but you should just accept that not everyone follows your religion. Religious zealotry is so easily misdirected.”

            OR

            Are you saying…
            “John, do you think that humanism is despotism because it doesn’t follow the dogma that some hypocrite prophet claimed coming from the God?”
            … because then my reply would have been…
            “Oh Vincent_t. I can see he’s offended your religion, but you should just accept that not everyone follows your religion. Religious zealotry is so easily misdirected.”

          • vincent_t

            I never feel offended because I do not believe in any religion. I were saying: John, why the hell you think humanism is despotism? Just because it doesn’t follow some stupid dogma from hypocrite prophet doesn’t mean it is despotism.
            Your reading disability and desperation to show off stupidity is very entertaining, thank you for your hilarious reply.

          • Woodbine Willie

            Sorry, will not get into this shill gambit argument routine, not on a boards hosted in Singapore, not from where I am now!!

          • Kai

            Why do you keep changing your screen name?

            About Humanism, the simplest thing is to do is link to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism

            I don’t think arbitrarily characterizing it as “Oriental despotism” adds any enlightenment to the discussion. Moreover, it is supremely arguable that humanism is inherently predisposed to contracts and rule of law, so not sure why you say it is not.

          • John Harvey Kellogg

            Kelloggs are good no? Fair enough, perhaps wrong on the oriental despotism part. Is there any abiding by contracts or rule of law in those crappy east asian places?

          • Kai

            Of course there is. What you’re trying to say is you feel East Asians don’t abide by contracts or rule of law as much as whatever group of people you’re comparing them to.

          • John Harvey Kellogg

            Not as much as, not in any shape or form, confucianism emphasises man made laws and rules and verbal contracts. Written contracts are still very new to China, and it will take time.

          • YungBruce

            “Written contracts are still very new to China, and it will take time.”

            laughed

          • John Harvey Kellogg

            nothing so funny about it dear boy

          • YungBruce

            Of course it’s funny, you’re a clown.

            You live in China whilst actively denouncing the place and it’s people. You chose to build a home with people you liken to WoW playing masturbating apes.

            You come to sites like CS to read up on and emphasize the failures of Chinese society, forming irrational self-serving conclusions for the sole purpose of feeling good about yourself simply for being born a Westerner.

            As I’ve said before, this is delusional. You do not, as an individual, automatically embody the perceived virtues of your country of origin.

            However, in a foreign land where you are a minority you will graciously be given the benefit of the doubt. That’s why you’re here, no?

            The truth is that you’re a fitting example of a foreign loser. You’re the average girl who keeps fat friends around to feel good about herself. Except in your case you’ve decided to build a home at a fat camp, pointing and laughing while those ‘less fortunate’ than you try to lose weight.

            You’re just milking your foreignness – the novelty of which does not exist in this public forum but only in the community you chose to be part of.

          • John Harvey Kellogg

            Who says I am in China? Only you. And even if I was, why would I admit it to YOU! I repeat, stop fishing/phishing spell it how the hell you LIKE, for INFORMATION!!! Noone on these boards has any reason to reveal anything of their location or whereabouts to you, and you by doing so, are invading other peoples privacy. You won’t reveal your name, nor where you currently are, I repeat, respect other peoples privacy!

          • YungBruce

            I read it in one of your posts. You’re going to have to delete your old posts and maybe change your name a few more times until no one knows who you are.

            Anyways, thanks for the discourse. I was having a hard time describing in words your type of person.

            Best of luck to you.

          • John Harvey Kellogg

            Fair enough dear boy, YOU GOT ME!!! MY type of person, what about you? Phishing for information?!

          • YungBruce

            One last response because I feel bad about the harshess of my last few posts.

            I absolutely have my own problems. However, I don’t artificially up my worth as a human through derision of others.

          • John Harvey Kellogg

            I never upped my worth, nor derided others. Merely passed some commentary. Fair enough though.

          • biggj

            I have a serious question. Why would anyone want to fish for information about you? Really though…

          • John Harvey Kellogg

            Err, why not? Any information can be used by information thieves/gambits. Passport data, finding your real name and so on. Never EVER let anyone copy your passport info page in China, they can buy a car with a huge discount/tax break. I’m not as naive or green to use american english parlance as you. But you be all trusting of complete strangers on a boards that exists solely for financial reasons, I trust noone here, and feel the need to protect my privacy more than ever. Et tu? END OF STORY!!!

          • biggj

            You’re crazy man, for real. Do you know my name or my address or my passport number? No one is that fucking stupid. Some information is harmless. Yeah I live in Canada. I have a dog and cat. I work in the oil business. How can use any of that information? That is not my real picture or name. You are just paranoid….in a weird way…like in a tin foil hat way. You accuse people of getting information from you? No one has ever asked any useful personal information from you.

          • Charles

            Yungbruce – lots of dramatic statements there… you don’t even know this guy.

          • Kai

            I think you need to stop abusing the word Confucianism. You also need to recognize that while East Asia and East Asian people have been influenced by Confucianism, it doesn’t mean their behaviors are always dictated by Confucianism, thus allowing you to blame Confucianism for their behaviors. Correlation does not mean causation.

            The central tenet behind verbal contracts being sufficient in “Confucianism” is the idea of mutual trust. This is not a uniquely “Confucian” concept. Ever heard the phrases “you have my word” or “my word is my bond”? It’s an ideal that works well in the idealized society, or at least a society that strives for that ideal. Written contracts evolved out of recognition that society is not ideal necessitating the concept of the arbiting third party (and one with the power to enforce).

            Neither contracts nor rule of law is remotely “not in any shape or form” or even rare in East Asia and its history. Stop it. Don’t be ridiculous. As much as historical autocracies in East Asia have ruled by fiat (like everywhere else historically), the rule of law doctrine that no one is above the law has always been understood if not always followed (like everywhere else historically). These are not foreign concepts.

            There are differences in the extent these concepts are prevalent and institutionalized in East Asia compared to elsewhere. No disagreement there. But “not in any shape or form”? Come on, man, we can’t have a productive discussion with such unhelpful exaggerations.

          • biggj

            Why even bother Kai? lol

          • John Harvey Kellogg

            I can’t see how a term describing an “ism” can be abused? But fair enough MAN (or mate!) I will concede defeat for now.

          • Charles

            In East Asia, China in particular, a contract is more like a suggestion than a legal binding agreement. Everything is negotiable, always. Doesn’t matter if the contract is signed or not.

          • Mighty曹

            Hahaha… I was going to ask him that too.

          • biggj

            I told him I worked for the NSA and it freaked him out. hahaah He’s paranoid now.

          • Paulos

            I’m sorry, but Wikipedia is not an authority on Confucianism. The argument that Confucianism does not regard the individual spirit as highly as other philosophies definitely holds water. I’ll give you an example from the Analects:

            “述而不作,信而好古” or “Believe and pass down the wisdom of the ancients rather than making your own judgements”.

            Now this certainly doesn’t strike me as altruistic or humane, and it didn’t sit well with contemporaneous Chinese thinkers either. Mozi later wrote that:

            “[儒者]又曰:君子循而不作。… 而其所述人必或作之,然则其所述皆小人道也?” or “The Confucians say that “people of good character should be followers and not innovators”, but everything that exists starts off as innovation. Are they saying the innovators who created the things we’re now supposed to follow weren’t people of good character?”

            And there we have it.

            Anyway, to get back on topic, this is why I think we have so many people like this mayor:

            1. Old guy gives bad advice, writes book.
            Confucius, Abraham, whoever.
            2. Society takes bad advice, burns everything else.
            Ain’t nobody got time for new ideas!
            3. Thousands of years later, Earth still circus.

          • Kai

            Authority is ascribed. If you want to dismiss Wikipedia as a cited reference tool composed, edited, and revised by people who have an active interest in the subject, fine, but you have to substitute an authority both of us hold as authoritative to advance the discussion. So you hold up yourself citing the Analects. Nevermind the fact that Wikipedia cites the Analects just as you do, here’s your problem: Context matters.

            I can cherry-pick lines and verses from the major works of any religion or philosophical text to suggest the whole [Confuciansim, Christianity, Islam, Marxism, etc.] takes a certain position when the whole actually presents a far more nuanced position.

            I like the humor of your final paragraph but this is still an example of inaccurately invoking “Confucianism” as some sort of underlying cause for a behavior or norm. There is still more “hey, Confucianism is associated with Asians so Asian behavior must be based on Confucianism” fallacy here than demonstrated causation.

  • xiaode

    ”If such a thing happened to my child, I’d ….”
    As others already mentioned, the situation she said that is not really clear… could be possible she wanted to help to protect the children… could also be possible she wanted to protect herself…

    I only know… ”If such a thing happened to my child, I’d ….”
    … and someone would tell me such kind of shit (in the above indicated way)… i would for sure completely lose it and beat the shit out of this person… maybe worse…

    • lonetrey / Dan

      She sure didn’t phrase what she meant clearly enough… but yeah, I can kind of understand what she was getting at now.

      It’s tough enough being a kid, no one needs to be “that kid who got raped” on the school playground. The other kids might tear him to pieces.

      • donnachadh

        So you think she’s actually fine with compensating the families, her concern is that the families are not burdened with unwanted media attention? You can’t seriously be this gullible?

        • lonetrey / Dan

          No, I don’t believe for a second that she cares for helping out the family financially.

          But doesn’t mean I don’t think her argument is a really brilliant one. She just needs to work on delivery. But I feel like you really can’t argue against what she’s saying, even if you know she doesn’t give two shits about the victims.

          For a really horrible situation, she’s found a smart point of view. She just needs to work on making into a smart response.

          • donnachadh

            Fair enough. I thought you believed her. The problem though is that there’s no other way for the families to get compensation than trying to embarrass officials in front of the public. And it is the officials who force them to take such measures by ignoring the demands of justice in the first place. They leave people with one option and then attack them for their ‘choice’.

    • chandlerpatrick

      Yea, I agree. “If it was my child….” is really a low blow to these families. When her child is safe at home, unmolested. It’s not your fucking child…
      I have a daughter, and if something like this happend, I can honestly say I’d be on the fucking war path – blood my compensation…

  • Tennessee Balker

    The Japanese government basically did this when a 6 year old elementary student was sexually assaulted by the grandson of a former US Ambassador to Japan (Howard Baker), Daniel Baker, in the Autumn of 2005. Hush money directly from the powerful Baker Family was forced upon the poor girl’s family and they were told that they would not be able to file any charges. Daniel Baker, after being briefly detained by Kyoto Prefectural Police, was released after a few days and quietly left Japan (with profuse apologies from the Japanese authorities). The US Consul-General in Osaka-Kobe, Danny Russell, was rewarded for his application of discreet special treatment and later became head of the US State Dept’s Japan Desk and then appointed to the National Security Council. The young Japanese girl who was sexually molested by Daniel Baker is now around 14 or 15 years old.

    • mr.wiener

      That sux, you have a link for that?

      • Paulos

        I doubt it. High-profile sex scandals are the media’s steak and blow job day. Even a rumor would be all over the major outlets, yet the only thing that comes up on Google is one off-topic post in an archived thread from the forum “GaijinPot”.

        I’m not saying that I don’t think influential families use their clout to cover up scandals, but without any kind of proof or credible reporting this post should be classified as libel.

        http://forum.gaijinpot.com/archive/index.php/t-91879.html

    • Cauffiel

      3-4 years before she’s legal!! WHOO!

    • Claude

      You just can’t drop that bomb in here and not provide something verify your statement. Yes, we can all Google it but that’s not the point. Pretty serious accusations.

      • Paulos

        I thought the same thing and had to google it myself… didn’t find anything credible. Definitely happy that a little girl wasn’t molested, but also kind of upset about wasting my time with a malicious rumor. Life is bittersweet.

  • fabulous

    I am finding it hard to believe some of the enlightened and even-handed poo/wee I’m reading in these comments.

    It doesn’t matter how she said it, it’s wrong.
    It doesn’t matter what they are doing, it’s understandable.

    Imagine trying to face your girl after you’ve let someone get away with that.

    “That lady is right dear. We should just let him get away with it. You should be glad that we aren’t shaming you. Everyone will know you were raped. Imagine how bad that would feel. I’m sure he nearly feels bad about it. We would have just been taking advantage of those good people who are doing their best to right these wrongs. I understand that you may feel like some people get away with things. They do. And I understand that you think that I should make them pay somehow. I don’t. It’s a very shameful thing you did, getting raped like that.”

    Making great arguments about how someone’s intentions, or preconceived notions bias their interpretation… stop talking so much. Trying to sound like the person who sees the whole picture is not awesome. It’s not even semi-awesome.

  • http://www.wirthconsulting.org/ Theodore Wirth

    This person is surely an American expat.

    • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

      The Deputy Mayor of Ruichang City is surely an American Expat? Dang, nice work landing that job.

  • Feilon

    After the first statement backpedaling does nothing.

  • Bolo

    She looks like a paedophile

  • JimLieu

    These Chinese officials just seem to not know what they’re talking about.

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  • al in china

    Welcome to china have a nice rape!

  • al in china

    The mayor was wearing a strap-on and raped them herself!

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