Overseas Chinese Students Attacked in France, Reactions

Chinese students learning about wine.

On NetEase:

French Media Claims One of the Chinese Overseas Students That Were Attacked in France is a Former [Chinese] Mayor’s Daughter

Global Times Comprehensive Report – Six Chinese overseas students currently studying in the western France region of Bordeaux were attacked by three thugs, with one of the girls suffering serious head injuries. Multiple eyewitnesses claim the drunk criminal suspects made racist remarks during the attack. After the incident, French Interior Minister Manuel Valls issued a statement condemning the violence: “This incident is a serious xenophobic act, and the culprits must be investigated by the law.” France’s Le Nouvel Observateur commented saying that Chinese tourists often suffering robbery and incidents of violence in Paris has already resulted in criticisms of France’s tourist safety problems, while China is currently the third largest consumer nation of France’s grape wines, possibly becoming the second largest market in 2016. That this anti-foreigner attack coincidentally happened on the day before the inauguration of the Bordeaux Vinexpo [world's main wine expo] was regrettable. Agence France Presse claimed during a background analysis of the incident that Chinese investors wantonly purchasing Bordeaux vinyards “doesn’t always make the locals happy”, while French winemakers are also unhappy with China’s recent anti-dumping investigations of French wine.

The moment the Chinese overseas student opened the door, the two violently attacked.

According to France’s Le Nouvel Observateur‘s report on the 15th, the six Chinese study abroad students have been studying at a winery school located in the Gironde province, and they live in the small town of Hostens just 50 kilometers away from Bordeaux with only a population of 1300. On the night of the 14th, when police visited the three drunk local men due to “late night noise”, the three men believed it was their Chinese neighbors who had reported them. After the police left, at least two of the three went to knock on the door of the Chinese overseas students’ residence. The moment a Chinese overseas student opened the door, the two violently attacked. In the struggle as the overseas students tried to push them out the door, a 24-year-old girl’s head was hit by a thrown glass bottle, seriously injuring her. She has already been sent to Bordeaux for medical treatment.

Although they were intoxicated, they were clearly aware of the identities of the Chinese study abroad students, using racist insults during the attack.

France’s Sud Ouest quoted local residents that the three suspects had been drinking late into the night outdoors on a bench. Local residents claim, “They were probably looking to cause trouble with anyone”. At present, the two main suspects have already been detained by police, while the third suspect is about to be summoned. Police have a file on the three. Police investigations show that the two attackers were extremely violent during the incident. Although they were intoxicated, they were clearly aware of the identities of the Chinese study abroad students, using racist insults during the attack. Hostens town mayor Michel Viallesoubranne expressed shock, saying: “The Chinese overseas students living in the town are 3 boys and 8 girls, a total of 11 people, who are all very well-behaved. They’ve already well integrated into life in the small town!” French Interior Minister Valls expressed on the 15th that he shares the sorrow of the overseas Chinese students’ family as well as gives them his complete support. The Education Minister Counselor of the Chinese Embassy in France told this Global Times reporter that the Chinese Embassy in France strongly condemns this violent attack on Chinese overseas students, has already requested the relevant French departments to investigate the matter as soon as possible, punish the perpetrators in accordance with the law, and adopt appropriate measures to ensure the safety of Chinese overseas students.

“Some French people are bringing shame upon France.”

A commentary on France’s Le Nouvel Observateur says Chinese tourists in Paris often suffering robbery and incidents of violence has already resulted in criticism of the safety problem for tourists in France. This Global Times journalist saw that most French netizens believe such xenophobic behavior should be severely denounced, calling for the punishment of the violent offenders. “Too frightening, the power of France’s extreme-right!” exclaimed one netizen. Another netizens said alcohol and xenophobia are France’s two major scourges. A comment read: “Now 1.3 billion Chinese all know about Hostens, this truly is a disgrace! Some French people are bringing shame upon France.” However, there are also people who believe this incident is just an ordinary drunk “neighbors dispute” that doesn’t need to be elevated to “xenophobic violence” and hopes this incident won’t harm France’s traditional image of hospitality.

“They do not deserve sympathy, foreigners severely punish corruption, so them suffering attacks in France was deserved.”

However, some French media’s reporting of this incident has made people angry. A report by France’s Le Monde on the 15th with the headline “Chinese Apathetic Towards Attack on Overseas Students” claimed that one of the overseas students that was attacked is the daughter of a former city mayor, and thus an “official second-generation” [child of a government official]. The report used half of its space analyzing China’s “corruption” problem, claiming that Chinese netizens are filled with hate and resentment against the sons and daughters of high officials who go abroad to study. The article claims “in China, the children of the elite and government officials usually spend large amounts of money to study abroad, and Chinese netizens are mostly critical of this kind of phenomenon. Some people have even commented ‘they do not deserve sympathy, foreigners severely punish corruption, so them suffering attacks in France was deserved’.” A report by the UK’s BBC on the 16th with the headline “Outrage after assault on Chinese students in France” claims that on China’s widely popular Sina Weibo microblogging service, the majority of netizens criticized and expressed outrage. However, the article also says that some residents in the Bordeaux wine-producing region “resent” buyers from China [of local vineyards].

French officials have recently announced that cracking down on robbery and violent attacks targeting Asian tourists is the current number one priority.

Over the past few years, with economic and social problems in France intensifying, the extreme-right has rearing its head and expanding its influence, and spillover effects from the socio-economic problems of certain central and eastern European countries, the state of public safety has continuously worsened for “Old Europe” France. Radio France on the 15th claimed that in the past few months, multiple robberies and attacks targeting Chinese citizens have occurred, arousing discussion amongst Chinese nationals. In March, a 23-person tour group from China were robbed and attacked right after arriving in Paris and exiting the airport. To solve the public security problem, French officials have recently announced that cracking down on robbery and violent attacks targeting Asian tourists is the current number one priority. The Le Monde article says that after the attack on the overseas students, many Chinese believe France is currently becoming “a dangerous country”, with some saying “if you want to go abroad, you should do your best to avoid France, and choose those better countries.”

(Original Title: Chinese Study Abroad Student in France Suffers Xenophobic Attack, Oddly Reported by Certain Media)

Comments from NetEase:

网易福建省泉州市网友:

Only children of government officials… have the opportunity to go abroad to study… Tonight, I’m going out to dinner [to celebrate with others]…

日本一夜九家族第二个儿子 [网易广东省肇庆市网友]:

As expected, the leaders have all sent their sons and daughters abroad.

网易四川省凉山州网友:

I originally wanted to support this [condemn the attack]… ugh, going to add more dishes tonight [for the celebratory feast].

网易北京市网友:

If they really are corrupt officials’ children, then it only goes to show that karma/retribution truly is swift!

跟贴局资深临时工 [网易山东省日照市网友]:

Seeing that a former city mayor has sent his own daughter out to save the people living in the abyss of suffering that is capitalist countries…
tears cover my face. But for the truth of the cosmos, this bit of sacrifice doesn’t mean much.

网易北京市网友 [乌有之乡范景刚]:

So the children of government officials have original sin the moment they are born [to be blamed for the actions of their parents]? So the children of government officials aren’t lives/people? Where have all the universal values that you have learned gone? Those constantly calling for universal values, and those now celebrating, you are not activists, you’re just the Red Guards during the Cultural Revolution period, the poor peasants during the time of struggling against landowners, the Boxers of the late-Qing Dynasty. Such barbaric primitive thinking.

网易湖南省湘潭市网友 [静看世间浮躁]: (responding to above)

NetEase has too many American running dogs, always just mindlessly spouting shit.

网易广西防城港市网友 [令狐臭]: (responding to above)

Not even fit to be American running dogs, just stray wild dogs that no one is willing to adopt. Quite simply, they’re just the new peasants.

网易湖南省湘潭市网友 [静看世间浮躁]: (responding to above)

A little girl, what bad things could your compatriot [she] have done? That an American running dog is still this cold, is this the cannibalistic society Lu Xun wrote of?

网易广东省深圳市网友: (responding to above)

When have the children of government officials treated the ordinary people as their compatriots? First [commenter above] do you know what universal values are? Freedom, democracy, equality, justice, etc. These should be amongst universal values. But think, have their government official fathers and mothers allowed the ordinary people to enjoy these? And just how many of today’s children of government officials have this kind of thinking? Man at birth is fundamentally good in nature. No one is born with original sin. Universal values is not universal values that flood everything and have no bottom limit. Today demands more dishes [celebration]! So that everyone our society can enjoy universal values, we must add dishes [celebrate]!

网易湖北省武汉市手机网友: (responding to above)

Hehe, so you add dishes and you think the children of government officials will treat you as their compatriots? You add dishes, and that means you’re spreading universal values? Ignorance. If you were of the ruling class, would you share your benefits with other people? You’re only complaining all day simply because you can’t get what others have, don’t make yourself out to be like some world savior. Ridiculousness.

网易山东省泰安市网友 [到底谁是SB]: (responding to above)

The mao mao Sixth [commenter 网易湖北省武汉市手机网友] has revealed his true thoughts, and what he’s saying is: The ruling class won’t share their benefits with others.

网易湖北省武汉市手机网友: (responding to above)

First, mao your mother’s cunt, you think everyone is as cheap as your labor? Don’t put your own standards on other people. Second, that remark of mine is the truth. If you were a ruler, would you be willing to share your benefits with others?

网易山东省泰安市网友 [到底谁是SB]: (responding to above)

No matter how you explain it won’t cover up your fucking dirty past, having nothing better to do than be a dog. If you not fucking looking for trouble then what are you doing! By the way, send your sister my regards!

网易湖北省武汉市手机网友: (responding to above)

Losers like you who are stepped on by tens of thousands of people, who don’t know to struggle for a better life, who only know how to complain, deserve a life of being ordered around by others, a life of being a dog!

网易山东省泰安市网友 [到底谁是SB]: (responding to above)

How the fuck do you know diao si don’t work hard? Look at the diaosi beside you not working hard?! Are you completely blind to the truth that the channels for advancement have all been blocked by your country bunmpkin father and country bumpkin children?!!!

网易湖北省武汉市手机网友: (responding to above)

Hehe, you SB diao si, even working hard you’re still useless, forever to be a dog.

网易广西防城港市网友 [令狐臭]: (responding to above)

The new peasantry that is both lazy and poor would love nothing better than to see the people who have lives better than theirs all die, their thousands of years of bad habits continuing to this day. Stop thinking about struggling against local tyrants, reaping without sowing, dividing up other people’s property.
Those who are government officials used to be peasants too. Many peasants through their own hard work became officials, businessmen, celebrities… while the families of the new peasantry forever orbit around peasantry—peasantry—peasantry… It’s been ages and still they haven’t changed. The old ones in their villages cursing, while the young ones spitting online. This is the so-called reincarnation of the new rural loser.

内阁总理大臣李鸿章 [网易山东省济南市网友]: (responding to above)

Looks like China won’t be able to escape the cycle of history.
When the arrogance, overbearing, and greed reach deadly levels of stupidity, the near future will bring bring their families great disaster.

123yuyaochen [网易山东省青岛市网友]: (responding to 乌有之乡范景刚)

The children of government officials are indeed without original sin when they are born. Everyone is born equal, this is universal values, first [commenter 乌有之乡范景刚] is totally correct!!!
But first [commenter], if your old man is a thief, and you clearly know that what he has brought home was stolen but you still happily enjoy it, as well as cockily parade about, may I ask if you are without guilt?
Therefore, first [commenter], either you’re a child of a government official, or you’re a stupid cunt!!!

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  • carmouflagger

    Ikea

  • Mighty

    This is great news! Sending students there means China won’t be producing fake wine.

    • http://simplydesigned.tumblr.com/ maybeabanana

      Recent news was a dude that developed an app for finding wines with the same % of ingredient content for price comparison despite age. Maybe they will make similar wine?

    • bbffffffmyassenglishteacher

      it’s more likely because they are busy producing fake chinese like you…

      • Mighty

        Ahhhhh…hahahahahaha….. too funny.

      • Peasant Smasher

        Well, if fake goods from China suck… then wouldn’t a fake Chinese be better than an original since everything from China sucks? you have been SMASHED

    • bbffffffmyassenglishteacher

      it’s more likely because they are busy producing fake chinese like you.. and watch out they gonna smash your face too you look like a chinese despite you pretend not to be one

      • Mighty

        Dumbass, I always said I was Chinese. When did I ever pretend not to be one? I’m pointing my finger at you and laugh.

      • mr.wiener

        Right… all Chinese should be Chinese like you huh?
        God, 1 billion plus butt-hurt little whiny bitches, what a wonderful world that would be.

      • lonetrey / Dan

        The only fake chinese here is you, you’re a troll! >:[

      • Peasant Smasher

        Don’t worry, the peasant smasher is here to save the day… All Chimatrons (Chimate – Transformers) (Chimate = Chinese + Primate) will shiver with fear

      • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

        An example of a “fake Chinese” would be that cheap blow up doll you’re dating.

    • Zappa Frank

      wine is linked with the environment. You can’t get a good wine from a place that do not fit. China weather, generally speaking do not fit, there’s not place close to a mediterrean climate.

      • Mighty

        Plus, Chinese soil is most likely too contaminated. Interestingly, they have just announced stricter control on pollution. How far that will go remains to be seen.

        • zeg

          actually a chinese recently bought one of the most famous wineries in france
          like apple buying siri

          • Mighty

            You’re comparing apples with grapes.

          • SuperHappyCow

            your best yet.

          • filabusta

            Bravo

          • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

            Superb

      • Kai

        That’s true, but that’s probably also why Chinese people are just buying the vinyards in France instead rather than trying to produce wine domestically in China.

      • jon776

        They could just build some green houses.

        • Zappa Frank

          ever seen a vineyard? is huge. But even if we suppose you can build such a big green house you still have to deal with soil and sunlight. It would be too expansive to be convenient.

    • Marcus Black

      yes. china will be producing copy wines. i don’t really see the difference. emm….

      • Mighty

        Hopefully wines that don’t kill.

        • Marcus Black

          based on extensive study i conducted that shows chinese people only care about making lots of money even if it means harming others or sucking the limp dicks of old men, expect it to kill or cause you lots of harm. and be really really cheap.

          • Pickle

            Even though that sounds bad it’s true. The small numbers with that mentality are the ones in control and are the frontmen for Chinese it would seem.

          • Irvin

            Almost all the ones I talked to are like this, some doesn’t show it but have the same mentality. The root of the problem I see is that they lack education pertaining to morals, values and rights.

            Some of them don’t even know what it is or don’t care. When asked what they think of freedom of speech one of them tell me it bothers her none, since she have no interest in talking in public.

            She couldn’t even fathom the implications beyond her own wish. If she was a german during world war 2, she would be one of those people that have no problem with hitler killing jews.

            They couldn’t see rights and wrongs beyond what affect them and affects them immediately.

            Not all chinese are like this but most are.

          • Mighty

            It’s the ‘everyone for himself’ mentality.

          • Mighty

            I could have told you that without conducting any studies. Having been lifted out of communism repression, they’re out of control in experiencing freedom to make money. The get rich quick mentality leaves little or no concern for others.

            On a related note, this also explains why most of them with new found wealth are basically rich peasants with no class.

      • Germandude

        Yes, imagine the branding possibilities. I already see it coming: 2005 Château Roques Mauriac “Classic” Baijiu Rosé

    • Rainer

      Great some Chinese who deemed foreign moon brighter can have chance to gradually know West better.

    • maja

      this means France will produce for export. this is bad if the taste they have to satisfy can’t recognize wine form vynegar and if I think of the bribes they’ll have to pay to distribute that wine… scary.
      in other words: chinese companies messed up their traditional alcohol production and now they need to clear their name with some exotic foreign reputation.

      tl;dr
      a few kids are sent to learn the jobs and the dads are already buying the BORDEAUX vinyards?

      • Mighty

        Bribes to pass inspections or certifications are bound to happen, if it’s going to be Chinese produced.

        • maja

          that’s the scary part, they’re not even taxes, it’s an unquantifiable amount of bribes, paid to people who can decide good quality wine is a nuisance to the development of the market (as in: you better invest that money on nice gifts)

          • maja

            and thay’re literally buying the concurrence

          • Mighty曹

            Scary part is they’ve pretty much mastered it and turned it into an art.

  • YourSupremeCommander

    Gypsies. They are the ones doing all these robberies across Europe.

    • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

      I wonder why we mind the small criminals and we worry because we don’t know them… I rather mind the big criminals because they steal and kill right under our noses, and we know who they are.

      • Zappa Frank

        easy to say.. you can’t get rid of big criminals nor have any revenge on them.. but on gypsies, who will ever blame you? will the police even investigate? Will they sue you? easy task

        • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

          lol what’s with you against gypsies? Their music is awesome

          • Germandude

            You are not European if you don’t know why gypsies aren’t welcome anywhere they go.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            Growing up in the U.S. whenever I heard the term “gypsies” I always thought of dark magic and mystical powers.

          • Germandude

            In Europe, gypsies are mostly known for begging, stealing, raiding and prostitution.

          • Boris

            In England they’re mostly known for ‘lucky’ heather. Oh… and headlice.

          • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

            Trust me the only thing I like about gypsies is their music. nothing else. Yes I know what you’re talking about.

    • SuperHappyCow

      Why would Gypsies be hyper nationalist and xenophobic enough to attack foreigners?

    • mr.wiener

      You can’t blame everything on the gypsies, thieving bastards that they are.

      • Boris

        They’re only responsible for a third of the world’s ills. Which is why the Jews and homosexuals must also be crushed!

        • mr.wiener

          What!! how dare you! Everyone knows White Anglo-Saxon Protestants [specifically male and straight] are responsible for all the worlds problems. The gays couldn’t find their own arses without a road map and a flashlight. The jews are busy selling road maps and flashlights to them.
          It was all us I tells you!!

          • Boris

            What resembles a flashlight isn’t always a flashlight. But it does take batteries.

  • Marcus Black

    i don’t see any racist remarks towards french caucasians. 9/10 is the attackers were black you will see all sorts of racial abuse towards “black people” in general. just saying….. emm.

    • Mighty

      It wouldn’t be toward random ‘french caucasians. It’d be a French neo-Nazi group. Unfortunately for you, blacks can’t be blamed as a group.

      • Marcus Black

        but they always are. a negro does something stupid, everyone says “black people” are not human or violent or anti-intellectual. really this is what happens. actually a negro doesn’t even have to do something wrong. all he has to do is be seen with a chinese girl that’s somewhat decent for these insults to come out.

        • Mighty

          I must clarify. What I meant is: If a black commits a racially motivated assault you don’t have a group to blame. You can’t say ‘the New Black Panthers’ did it. (Like they can blame the neo-Nazi)

          • Marcus Black

            That is true. However if a black commits a crime his race his blamed not him. The neo-nazi are in fact isolated from the the majority of french caucasian population so it’s worse for negros because they are all thrown into the same pit.

            Negro does something stupid in china, chinese see a random negro and they become hostile towards him. non negro does something stupid in china, chinese find his nationality and say he gives his country a bad name. I think the world would be a better place if we start treating everyone as individuals not only non negros. This opens the door for further dialog because these misbehaving individuals will be isolated by their group because they will be seen as just an individual. It will also significantly reduce stereotypes. This most likely is never going to happen. have a nice day folks.

          • SuperHappyCow

            Why do you keep using the word “negro?” Makes it seems as if you’re 80 years old. Where are you from?

          • Marcus Black

            UK brah.

          • SuperHappyCow

            Negro isn’t really a facet of black identity, fyi.

          • Marcus Black

            negro simply means black in spanish. i never left africa in chains so this word doesn’t offend me. to me it simply means black and it sounds kl so i use it.

          • SuperHappyCow

            But you’re not black at all. And I don’t think the people you’re referring to identify with that idea.

          • Mighty

            Actually, you are right in that. Blacks have been portrayed in a certain light and the stereotype has long been stamped. But I think it’s starting to reverse that, albeit slowly. Lots of Hollywood movies now cast black characters as doctors, scientists, politicians, etc., white (no pun) collar professions. With Obama in the White (no pun) House definitely encourage more blacks to pursue higher education.

          • SuperHappyCow

            Blacks have always been in pursuit of higher education, but they’ve been kept out of it until some 60 years ago. Fyi, that’s hardly two generations. Not saying you said anything offensive, just making a point. There’s so much nuance regarding black history in the U.S. and everyone ignores the most important facets.

          • Mighty

            I’m sure they’ve always been in pursuit of that but the average high school dropout rate for Blacks from 1998-2010 is 10.9%. In comparison, 6.2% Whites and 3.9% Asian/Pacific Islanders. Only the Hispanics are higher at 23.3%. It’s even higher if you go back 1990 as the starting year.

            That’s the stats from U.S. Department of Education and National Center for Education Statistics. I’m sure the stats for the rest of the world is much more encouraging.

      • SuperHappyCow

        Except that they always are. All the time. But superficially it would appear to be otherwise.

    • fz

      it’s because blacks are a considered minorities everywhere but in “black countries”

      if a caucasian makes trouble outside of a country considered as “white”, they you will hear the racist remarks towards caucasian

      and honestly, black people like to say “we are past year 2000, racism is outdated” it also works in the other way, racism is as outdated as black people playing the race card

      many beloved black stars out there, what people dislike now is bullies
      since the bullies here are white, the article says “some french put shame on all the french”

      • Marcus Black

        You just reinforced my claim. “some french put shame on all the french” see how they say french, not white people. if it was a negro it would be “black people are bad” not “some black people put shame on all black people”.

        Also i myself am against playing race card because i understand the main reason for the dislike of the negro is not because of skin color but because of many cultural and social things one being the anti-intellectual mentality of the majority of african americans in general and the stupidity of african leadership or lack of it(they are now allowing asians to have a go at milking their resources). my problem is when all negros are placed in the same pit. They fail to understand the fact that some negros are born different to the others.

        Basically when its not a negro, national identity is used, when its a negro racial identity is used. e.g dysfunctional negro knocks out a defenceless girl for no reason, people say “kill all black people, we dont want monkeys in our country, black people are animals e.t.c” if the person is not a negro you hear people say “you are giving *insert country* people a bad name, kill this guy, e.t.c”. do you see where am coming from? yea i thought so. Most of the things other negros see as racist i see as disrespect.

        • SuperHappyCow

          It’s kind of difficult to know where to begin when you’re making the assumption that blacks are “anti intellectual” or they have a “lack of leadership.” I don’t know about outside the U.S., but inside the U.S. most of the black American leadership were actually assassinated by Americans, and quite obviously by both government and private interests.

          Anti-intellectualism isn’t a facet of black culture, and never has been, but if you live in the alternate universe where blacks used to pass laws that prevented other blacks from learning how to read or getting into college, I get how you might see things differently.

          For the record, a few years ago, I was strongly against the idea of “the race card” but then I realized what it actually meant, when blacks weren’t allowed to serve on courts or vote, for instance. People say the “race card” is used to immediately invalidate someone’s opinion if he’s not white, but anyone with a remedial understanding of history knows that that is the exact opposite of how it functions.

    • BiggJ

      How do you know the guys were not black?

      • Marcus Black

        because i don’t see any remarks calling them monkeys. its not rocket science mate.

        • BiggJ

          In china it don’t matter who it was they are they would get racial bullshit.

  • Gordon Gogodancer

    Embarrasing story for a Frenchman…and stupid reactions from some Chinese people. Being 2nd generation pricks or not, they don’t deserve to be attacted like that. France has got to fucking stop being nice with these kinds of offenders for a minute and protect foreigners who might actually like France. What an embarrassment.

    • bbffffffmyassenglishteacher

      vive la france!!!

    • Zappa Frank

      on the other side we should consider that we are aware of this aggression just because it involved the daughter of a mayor, for common chinese nothing like that would ever come out.. this must be clear, because it’s not the first.

      • Gordon Gogodancer

        Yes indeed. I heard a few shitty stories from Chinese friends. Example: A Chinese student
        ,first day in France, arrives in Paris with all her stuff and thousands of euros in cash as Chinese people stupidly like to do. Takes the RER (metro) falls on a group of Arabs, gets everything stolen, goes to the police, they can’t do anything, next day takes the plane back to China

        • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

          yea not safe to go Europe.

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            ..

          • europhobic

            The statistics are misleading, crime/1000 population would have a meaning.

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            I agree, Its like when shitty things happen in China every day and get reported here or the other CIA websites.
            its really means fuck all when you take into account the size and population of China at 1.5 billion people.

          • Beelzebub

            really? then how come each school/apartment community has security? grilles on windows, and prison style iron doors that are neigh on impossible to kick in. Don’t give me this, it means nothing nonsense, you sound like an apologist, and if you are a brit, I hope you have some of your backbone left.

          • Boris

            Nay, a well-motivated horse could probably get past them.

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            yea good point,is nice and safe here, lots of security.
            Glad you highlighted the difference.

            In Britain no security, likely get robed very easily, house broke into. Mugged in the streets. Cant leave your bikes anywhere safe.The list is endless.
            Here i can pull on my motorbike , leave keys in the ignition, leave computer on the bike, walk in shop, buy something come back out and its still there!.
            because a man will watch it for me.
            So great!

            I got lots of backbone btw.
            and fuck Brits.

          • Beelzebub

            Wrong, I’d reply politely, but you used a swear word, septic boy

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            I is bad man.
            So I’m told.

          • Beelzebub

            Listen my dear boy, I’m off hiking through primeval forest for a few days, but I’ll bounce back on here reinvigorated, and we will go at it then, but I’ll come in swinging smash your glasses hard, hahaha, all good fun. Where are you from by the way , dear boy?

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            China.

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            ;-)

          • Beelzebub

            You don’t look chinese, dear boy.

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            thank you!

          • Beelzebub

            No, you are somewhat of a man of mystery to me, but we shall get to that after a few days of r and r.

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            enjoy the trees, i shall go sit top of mountain and look down on the world.

          • Beelzebub

            Indeed, we will be back at it, same bat time, same bat channel

          • mr.wiener

            Have fun.

          • Beelzebub

            Thank you my old antipodean pal. I hope life is treating you well whereever you are. Are you still in China?

          • mr.wiener

            Taiwan mate, China-lite.

          • Beelzebub

            Ah, always wanted to visit, food looks delicious as do the ladies.

            Time for a bit of humour, In Brisbane I seem to recall that the word “teachers” was substituted for “Poms” but that only during the Ashes.

            Aussie 1: Oh look, the Brit teachers have landed.

            Aussie 2: How the feck do you know that mate?

            Aussie 1: The engines are off but the aircraft is still whining!

            boom boom, I’m here all week. See us brits are not afraid to prod fun at ourselves:)

          • mr.wiener

            Oh yeh? Well in Australia we can poke fun at ourselves even better.
            Why wasn’t Christ born in Australia?
            We couldn’t find three wise men and a virgin.

          • Beelzebub

            Hahaha, quite like that one.

            How many Australians does it take to screw in a light bulb?

            I prefer the following answer:

            A: Two – one to say “She’ll be right mate” and one to fetch the beers.

          • Boris

            Q: How many psychotherapists does it take to change a lightbulb?
            A: Only one, but the lightbulb really has to want to change.

          • Taiwanese Guy

            mr.wiener,

            TAIWAN is certainly not CHINA just because USA EMPIRE put in that CASH MY CHECK Chiang Kai-Shek USA PUPPET DICTATOR into My TAIWAN NATION! I guess America Empire would be British Empire-lite with more Socio-Economic Inequality these days from “John Perkins – America’s Secret Empire” YouTube VIDEO, “President George W. Bush: Cheerleader, Model, Spokesman” YouTube VIDEO, “Truth about Halliburton and Dick Cheney” YouTube VIDEO, “The Rich 1% (Fat Cats) Recovered; The Rest of Us Didn’t”, “The BLOWBACK SYNDROME: Oil Wars and Overreach” YouTube VIDEO, “The ‘de-Americanization’ of Asia”, and so on!! >=P

            Anyhow, TAIWAN POLITICAL REFORMS should moved toward A PARLIAMENTARY SYSTEM with “Finest governmental system?” YouTube VIDEO, “‘Atheist’ Nations Are More Peaceful” YouTube VIDEO (USA people in general is not very religious except in BIBLE BELT), “The Bible Belt Got Back”, “George Carlin on Fat People” YouTube VIDEO, “The Complex Story of Race and Upward Mobility”, and looked toward at Denmark, Finland, Switzerland, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Sweden, and much more as BENCHMARKS in terms of ECONOMIC FREEDOM, PRESS FREEDOM INDEX, CORRUPTION PERCEPTIONS INDEX, LIST OF FREEDOM INDICES, and so forth! ASIAN PARENTS prized WESTERN HIGHER EDUCATION (hopefully with CRITICAL THINKING and PROBLEM SOLVING SKILLS)! I do wished PROSPERITY and PEACE in EAST ASIA overall! THINK GLOBAL ACT LOCAL in TAIWAN (return to TAIWAN now)!! >=)

            Maybe, CHINA can switched from AIRBUS to BOEING…. hehe, but I think FRANCE handle this much better than “Tepid response to attacks against Asians is nothing new” (Anti-Asian at South Philadelphia H.S) in my humble opinion!! >=P

          • mr.wiener

            Sorry, I don’t read capitals.

          • SkaMen

            Where in china do you live!!?? I would certainly like to move there…

          • jon776

            Also remember this is nationality. If we’d go by ethnicity i’d be a little bit more interesting. There are millions of Africans and Arabs with citizenship in some European country. It’s quite easy to acquire. But it’s not necessary for EU residents since we can come and go as we please anyway. And the poeple from Poland and Romania are usually gypsies.

          • Thor

            No, not Poland. Only Romania (and mall parts of Hungary and Slovakia).

          • Thor

            I meant “small”, err.

          • Moshan

            Also, Poles in London is a huge group.

            A much more significant measure is to look at per-capita.

            And as jon776 stated, nationality isn’t saying much. How many of the “Eastern Europeans” are actually gypsies? Quite a few.

          • Beelzebub

            based on what? Pickpockets in Paris, give me a break.

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            I shall give you a break, why don’t you go have a nice vacation in Paris.

            Don’t forget send a postcard!
            if you not been mugged.

          • Beelzebub

            Or new york, or shanghai, or…..crime in all big cities I am afraid.

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            just carry a tin of mace.

          • Beelzebub

            America, has more crime than the UK despite having the death penalty. That is fact. The USA should be more like Canada, therefore, less crime and unlocked doors.

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            Well not safe when you look like an obvious victim…I come from Lyon, honestly it’s not hell or anything. But for weak easy looking targets like nerdy Chinese students…well…

    • Californiaz

      Asia for Asians
      Africa for Africans
      Europe for everybody?

      Seriously get the fuck out of Europe, multiculturalism the the biggest failure in the history of mankind. We can only hope more attacks like this will follow.

      • Silly

        And cocks for cocksuckers.

        Go get busy, and I hope you don’t like football because pretty much every player in the French team is an immigrant. Benzema? Immigrant. Evra? Immigrant.

        And remember, Europeans escaped FROM Europe because of all the fucked up shit that was happening back in the days. Noob. Once all the Europeans go back home from foreign land, then maybe you can talk.

        • Zappa Frank

          you indeed deserve your nickname, your answer is even more stupid than his question. es

          • Silly part 2

            “Es” what. Learn to finish your sentences, child.

      • Kai

        Multiculturalism isn’t some sort of experiment that can succeed or fail, it’s just the natural trend of an increasingly mobile population competing for scarce resources.

        • Californiaz

          What is the goal of multiculturalism? Opening up your border so that your own population will be a minority in 100 years?

          What’s left is an empty shell, which is incredible dangerous, because it can be exploited by people with a hostile plan in mind. *cough*Breivik*cough*

          America’s racial and ethnic minorities now make up over half of the under-5 age group, reflecting sweeping changes by race and class among young people. Due to an aging population, non-Hispanic whites last year recorded more deaths than births.

          http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/13/deaths-among-white-americans-now-outpace-birth-rate/

          • Zappa Frank

            do you think multiculturalis is a plan of someone behind the curtain? it’s not, humans use and always used to mix and mate at everychance they have.. it’s human nature to mix. What’s the difference if some ethnicity will expire? it happened already and it will happen again. You think like a chinese who really belive that Han is a race..

          • Californiaz

            4/10 trolling, you had me there for a bit

          • Dr Sun

            evolution I guess

          • Zappa Frank

            evolution stopped to work on humans … unlikely we’ll evolve again, but we’ll mix, and it does not go just for whites..

          • Zappa Frank

            you remind a joke i’ve read sometimes ago. it was about our african orign.. than someone said, “really? do you realize that if it’s true we’re all niggers? i’m good and fair, but you force me to call the Geheime Staatspolize, for friends GESTAPO”
            What is a white man? what makes you white? is there a degree of color that makes you fit or not in that category? Humans will mix, it’s unavoidable, and it’s not something new, humans like every animals do it as much as they can.. till now we were separeted by distance, oceans and so on.. but now that we can easily pass these limits it’s just a matter of time, and do not worry, it doesn’t go just for whites, africans and asians will join us as well..

          • Kai

            I think we need to get one thing straight first. I believe you’re talking about multiculturalism as some sort of state/government policy. I’m instead framing multiculturalism as a name for a trend, a result, and inevitability. Do you understand the distinction?

            Maybe the concept of borders and populations along racial lines is an outmoded concept? Maybe the US or European countries shouldn’t be considered “white” countries just as China and Asian countries shouldn’t be considered “yellow” countries? Maybe Africa shouldn’t be considered a “black” continent?

            Why does it matter if your “own” population becomes a minority? Do you really only identify on the basis of skin color and ethnicity? How about progressing towards shared values and interests?

          • Pickle

            I don’t think you understand the distinctions. “Multiculturalism” isn’t a trend. It’s an agenda being foisted upon others for short sighted feel good “liberals” and greedy businesses. The government even pushes this so it could be called state policy.

            People have always interacted with outsiders. Always have, always will. This is not the same thing as the ‘multiculturalism’. Replacing and displacing is what it should be called.

            Unlike the West, Asia and Africa will not follow suit. They only buy into it when they move to the West.

          • Kai

            How can I not understand the distinctions when I’m straightforwardly establishing that he and I are referring to different things when using the word “multiculturalism”?

            I know him and now you see it as an ideology, a policy, an “agenda”. I’m clarifying that my remark frames it as a “trend”, an inevitability that cannot be avoided because it is how human history is bound to develop and progress. If you can understand that, then you might better understand the point I’m making so you can argue with it more effectively.

            People have always interacted with outsiders just as things have always been replaced and displaced. Things have also always died out or been swallowed up, assimilated, merged, integrated as well. To me, it is the same thing, except the subjective value you ascribe to each.

          • Pickle

            I’d agree with you that it’s inevitably IF it wasn’t happening so fast and excluvisely to western society. It’s a one sided policy too.
            Plus human civilization technically already has multiculturalism.

          • Kai

            I don’t know why speed and where it happens matters. It’s not as if there hasn’t been historical precedent. Have there not been changes in values and social norms that occurred quickly in history? Must changes happen uniformly in all parts of the world at the same time?

            You can mobilize “western society” to fight the trend, but again, increasingly mobile population in competition for scarce resources. It’s gonna happen.

          • Pickle

            It matters to me. Americans can’t go to Asia as readily as they can come here to live. The reason it’s happening so fast is because the politicians and greedy corporations have sold the citizenry out while feeding people the line of feel good-hand holding-kumbya BS to keep them too stupid to question it. Unless of course they’re “racist”. Because we all know we aren’t really talking about different cultures. Of course expressing these view points means we hate other races, right?

          • Kai

            I was talking about the big picture. I now understand you’re talking about something as specific as whether or not Americans can go to Asia as readily as Asians can come to America.

            Interestingly, I don’t think that’s an accurate summary of the situation. A lot of people would argue that it’s easier for Americans to go to Asia than for Asians to go to America. Are we talking about tourism? Immigration? Economic ability to make such a trip?

            I think you have more emotions and finger-pointing than substantive arguments in what you’re saying. How do you define “fast”? Who is responsible for the acts of these politicians? Who is behind these corporations? Is it necessarily that everyone else is blind, stupid, and conned except for you? People should only be accused of being racist if they fit the definition, so whether you’re racist or not depends on the specific view you’re expressing. I’m not sure what your view is other than some vague opposition to multiculturalism as government policy and believing politicians and corporations in general are to blame.

          • BiggJ

            I understand what you are saying but why would you want to go be a citizen of some of these countries anyway? I can’t speak for americans or anyone else but I would not give up my canadian citizenship to become a citizen of china or any other country even if they were giving it away for free and paid me a wad full cash.

            Also I assume you are america, So pretty you can go anywhere you like. As can I. Chinese get denied visas all the time for america and canada and places like that. If I wanted to I could stay in any china the rest of my life. I don’t think I would ever be denied a visa. I Just can’t be a citizen….which is perfectly fine with me. Pretty much any country that will not allow you to become a citizen you would would not want to be one there anyway.

            I know we let a lot of people in but most are not so bad. You need to meet certain criteria to come. Like money, no criminal record and so it. it’s not fool proof but it’s better then say china. For example literally a homeless person in canada or america can get a visa for china. As long as they can afford the plane ticket they are pretty much able to come. I think that is worse then what western countries have.

          • moody

            this is where you are wrong, many western countries facilitate imigration for so called “political refugees”.
            those people often leave everything behind, so they actually come to the west with nothing.
            have you applied for a VISA to China back home recently ?
            some friends of mine have, it has became extremely complicated and many are actually denied -luckily i ll say, don ‘t want any looser scum to tarnish further the already tarnished reputation we “foreigners” have here

          • moody

            i ll add for example, my father imigrated to France with 10 Francs (and only Ten Francs and a few clothes) , it was the maximum amount of money he was able bring from his home country to France.
            i ll grant you it was the mid 60s, and it was very easy to find a non qualified job, so you could get around, but still.

          • ChuckRamone

            It’s curious that you bring up the case of European immigration, and then slip in the US as if they were comparable cases. America was officially established less than 250 years ago by colonists of mostly Anglo-Saxon origin. If you were to create a system of exclusion based on the history of this country, only Anglo-Saxons who’ve been here since the founding of the nation would be permitted to stay – that means no Southern Europeans, no Scandinavians, and no Eastern Europeans. If you’re nice, I guess you’d allow the Native Americans and Africans who were brought as slaves to stay.

            As for Europe, you might have some more moral ground to stand on there, but even then you’d have to relinquish all the colonial territories still held by any of these countries, and all the resources plundered from basically the entire world, which was colonized by European imperialism. You’d also have to dissolve the entire capitalist system of world finance and trade. Then you could make the case that Europe is for Europeans only. The US is for Anglo-Saxon descendants of the Founding Fathers only.

          • SuperHappyCow

            Native American’s weren’t…brought over…?

          • Californiaz

            The founding fathers were okay with European immigration. They had quotas on the amount of people who could come from each country. Non-white immigration started in 1965 with new immigration laws.

            The America you think you know is just a recent invention, a perversion of what it was.

            If multicultural policies led to the destruction of the jewish people they would be the worst thing on earth. But since it is the white people who become minorities in their own countries and, if current trends continue, cease to exist then “DIVERSITY IS GOOD, DIVERSITY IS GREAT, DIVERSITY IS WHAT MAKES THE WEST SO PEACEFUL” Its pure fictional propaganda. Look up the FBI crime stats breakdown by race if you think diversity is so great.

          • ChuckRamone

            The Chinese Exclusion Act was signed in 1882. The Gentleman’s Agreement was proposed in 1907. There was immigration of non-whites well before 1965. 1965 is when quota systems ended. Irish and Italian immigrants faced a lot of discrimination in the early days of their migration, so, no, it wasn’t open arms for all European immigration. Europeans developed a sense of pan-European identity over time. They fought each other a lot before that by drawing ethnic, national and religious distinctions between each other.

            If white people didn’t want to face the consequences of their colonization of the world, they shouldn’t have done it. America itself comprises lands originally occupied by Native Americans, Hawaiians, and Mexicans. Americans were glad to have African and Asian labor when it was expanding westward and farming the south. I don’t know what you want to happen. Do you want to make a pretend narrative where whites in America always had a sense of solidarity and made this country with the approval of the Native Americans, and all the other people here are interlopers? Good luck with that. It’s a little revisionist, to say the least.

          • Californiaz

            Yes there was non-white immigration despite being not allowed just as there are currently practicing incest it not being allowed. Maybe I should be pro-incest because it doesnt affect me. Maybe some of the people we “stole” the land from were people who also practiced incest. This is how stupid you sound btw.

            >If white people didn’t want to face the consequences of their colonization of the world, they shouldn’t have done it.

            No they shouldnt have let a pansy apologist attitude take root.

            Hey I know its hard for a racist like you to understand with that small bigot brain of yours but…

            Please tell me 5 benefits of multiculturalism that arent >muh restaurants

            If we are all one race, the human race, then logically diversity adds nothing to society because we are all the same people, therefore no special artificial differences between us need to be highlighted. By promoting diversity and multiculturalism that makes you a racist.

          • Dr Sun

            I think the non – white immigrants where mostly slaves, not sure that counts as immigration as such.

            5 benefits of muti-culturalism ??

            Maybe a simpler question, any benefits to not being multicultural ?

          • Californiaz

            Monoethnic societies have lower crime rates, higher levels of trust, more benefical democratic process (even socialism gets approval because the people are helping themselves not an “other”)

            True modern monoethnic societies like Japan and South Korea for example.

            I’ll also give you a tip, there are no benefits to multiculturalism. If you look at real world outcomes there arent even any neutrals.

          • Dr Sun

            since when did Japan and Korea become monoethnic ???

            wtf is monorthnic ?

          • Californiaz

            Japan: 98.5% Japanese
            Korea: 97.25% Korean

            These countries are made up of one ethnic group, as such they are mono-ethnic.

            Less cultural conflict
            Less crime

            >Multiculturalism helps us learn

            by mistakes

            >Multiculturalism teaches tolerance

            Can you tolerate something good? You enjoy good things, not tolerate.

            A better question is name 5 benefits of multiculturalism that require the people of other cultures presence.

          • Dr Sun

            Have you looked at the genotype mix of both the Koreans and Japanese ?

            So again I pose the question what is mono-ethnic ?

            I agree though the samurai did a good job in lets say preventing conflict, they just chopped your head off.if you disagreed with anything.

            BTW Japan is in the top 10 highest crime rate list, so your argument is pretty flawed , don’t you think ?

            http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/countries-with-highest-reported-crime-rates.html

          • Californiaz

            Nobody is implying that the Japanese or Koreans are “genetically superior” Cultures and nations can be monolithic without a genetic reason. Many nations are founded by different groups of people who are of one culture and then create their own ethnicity over time: American (pre-1960 of course) is a good example.

            Do yourself a favor and look up Japan’s violent crime rate. Japan has big issues with property crime but that doesn’t affect my ability to walk down the street at night.

            You act as if I’m implying that mono-ethnic societies are some sort of paradise. They aren’t, they have problems as all human societies do. I am just stating the facts that they are objectively better than multicultural ones.

            Name 5 benefits of multiculturalism that arent >muh resturants

          • Dr Sun

            But you don’t give facts at all, you simply state and repeat your rhetoric as being “fact” hardly the same thing .
            Then when confronted with fact you side step, deflect and then return to rhetoric as fact.
            As you could not dispute that The Japanese are ethnically mixed and that they have one one of the highest crime rates in the world, again I pose to you, please tell us 5 reasons, true reasons, with facts to support each reason, why mono-ethnic cultures (if there even are any) are or would be “objectively” better ?

          • Pickle

            You are on a roll. Keep it up!

          • SuperHappyCow

            This guy is extremely stupid. Not you, I mean this Californiaz clown.

          • europhobic

            By your own definition, you wouldn’t go to Japan – so how does it concern you?

            Try having some logic in arguments. Immigration is a flow of people and it doesn’t happen instantly, the US has had immigration at a fairly constant rate and even the people who moved into the country in the 80s consider themselves “Americans”.
            So the person who wants to do the same thing in 2013 isn’t allowed to because of what exactly?
            Was it perfectly okay “pre-1960″ to immigrate but now low and behold it should be disallowed?!

          • europhobic

            There used to be more cultural groups in ancient Japan, the Ainu from the North and of course lots of people who define themselves Japanese have Korean and Chinese roots. There’s even a pattern in names that have been transliterated from Korean.

          • jon776

            Right. And how did Japan look back then with all those ethnic groups? Was is free from war and conflict?

          • europhobic

            We’re talking about internal crime rates here.

            War and conflict are completely separate topics. US is multicultural but at the same time the most aggressive country on earth at the moment. North Korea is monocultural but also very aggressive, what’s your point?

          • BiggJ

            Are you white?

          • Californiaz

            Race shouldnt come into play when making arguments.

            What a person says can’t be right or wrong because of the color of their skin, thats racist.

          • BiggJ

            And where a person lives can’t be right or wrong because of the color of their skin, thats racist.

          • Californiaz

            See: White South African Genocide

          • BiggJ

            And what?

          • Californiaz

            Why should we be multicultural when nobody else is? If we take in too many of these sorts of people faster than we can assimilate them what do you think will be the outcome?

          • Dr Sun

            what are you ? the Borg

          • Pickle

            Even though I’m more aligned with Californiaz viewpoint, that’s still funny.

          • BiggJ

            So you saying in “mono” culture countries there are no murderous insane fucking people? At least if you immigrate in a country you need to go through back ground checks and have to meet curtain criteria.

          • jon776

            Mono cultures have insane people. But it usually stops there when it comes to crime. In multicultural or multiethnic counties you get a lot of friction between the groups, especially if one groups becomes poorer than the other. It’s more practical for people to live with their own kind and be ruled by their own kind.

          • SuperHappyCow

            Your entire argument is about the topic of race.

          • Pickle

            Are you?

          • BiggJ

            Yep. i ask the guy because it’s usually white people who are against multiculturalism from western counties.

          • Pickle

            I wonder what would happen if countries that didn’t experience the same level of multiculturalism that the US and other western nations have would all of a sudden have that dropped on them too. I doubt they’d be as accepting. They certainly don’t allow high amounts immigrations there.

          • Dr Sun

            hang on, who “dropped” multiculturalism on the USA ?

            “Bring us your ………..”

            Who “dropped”immigration onto the EU- Ghana ?

            The desire for large numbers of cheap workers, does after all come with hidden costs.

          • Pickle

            So you agree with me? Because I said similiar things in another post. As for the ‘bring us your poor…’ that was a tag line. Not something most people wanted.

          • Dr Sun

            A tag line on the statue of liberty ??

          • Mighty

            It should be updated to include “send us the ex convicts”.

          • Dr Sun

            mmmm, no send us your princelings as their money rich and your poor to serve them (us).

          • Mighty曹

            The Cuban exodus. Smart move by Castro.

          • BiggJ

            It’s not for every country, but it’s doesn’t mean its wrong. It’s like certain government types are good for certain countries. Canada without immigrants would be fucked. Where if China was like Canada the whole country would go haywire.

          • Pickle

            Perhaps you’re a Canadian? Is that why you say that? Other Canadians have disagreed.
            You might think its a good thing. But too much of a good thing can be harmful.
            Funny that you say that multiculturalism not for every country. Besides China, what other countries is it not for?
            Besides Canada, what other countries is it good for?

          • BiggJ

            A lot of it depends on the government and human rights. Who do you think would have an easier time being multicultural….North Korea or The Philippines? Communist or Capitalist? I mean no country could do it over night, but some would have a easier time doing it then others. And there will always be people who don;t like it in every country.

            I find countries and places who have ethnic diversity do pretty good. Canada, US, Australia, Singapore, Hong Kong places like that. Lots of different races get along pretty good considering. It’s not perfect but it’s not out of hand. Just depends. Another example is history with a certain country. Say if a 1 million Japanese needed to go live in another country for whatever reason d you think they would be treated better in Canada or China? It seems like countries that a relatively new can do it better then an old country. Hard to teach an old dog new tricks. Like I said it just depends on the people and place.

          • Pickle

            This is actually a very intelligent reponse. I still don’t think the west should be taking in too many immigrants. In fact I think it should be severely reduced.

          • BiggJ

            For sure, I agree too much is too much. Last time I check Canada takes 250,000 new people a year. That adds up. I think once the unemployment rate goes up too high they should stop for awhile. I think if there are lots of jobs around then let them come.

          • Pickle

            Well when a city goes by the name Hongcouver jokingly because about 30 years the Chinese population increased that much due mostly to immigration, thinking about the cut off line seems way over due.

          • europhobic

            You’re full of crap as I expected.

            I just looked up homicide stats.

            Poland consists of 96.5% polish people, having a higher homicide rate than Sweden (only 80.4% Swedish), Germany (80.7% German), Australia (just 76% born in Australia) and the list goes on and on.

            Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. That’s all you bring to the table, zero facts.

          • moody

            looking up homicides stat when responding to an argument on crime rate in this case is irrelevant.
            most crimes are not homicides, but you know that

            on another hand, what you fail to see is that Cali put in the mix second genration imigrants (who are now holding their local nationality) so would appear as German, Swedish or Australian or your survey.

          • europhobic

            What you fail to see is that if he intended to include second generation immigrants then that supports my argument even further – meaning Germany, Sweden, Australia have even more immigrants.

            Fine, then name your statistic and lets compare that. Otherwise it’s just your opinion and Californiaz’ opinion and you already now know how it goes with opinions.

          • Akko

            ok, follow thelogic. Go all the way to USA. In the USA, the more diverse, the more crimes. The more white, less crimes. So where does your theory fit in?

          • Thor

            You’re just some racist ignorant dumbass,yet another white supremacist. Admit it once for all for f*ck sake.

          • Californiaz

            I’m hispanic you dumbass. You are the fucking racist, dont you try and stereotype me. White people have a right to exist just as my people and other peoples do.

            How can you be so self hating and not kill yourself?

            People think that its okay to assume white people are bad.

            it okay to call a white person cracker (meaning a whip cracker)

            its okay to say white people deserve it

            its okay to say white people have no culture

            its okay to say white people are ugly, rude, and evil.

            its not a hate crime when non-whites hunt down whites.

            none of this would be acceptable to any other race. but it is for whites because they feel ashamed of what some of their ancestors did, and because theres a culture where white people are generally seen as the bad guys.

            >im proud to be black
            >im proud to be latino
            > im proud to be asian
            CLAP CLAP CLAP USA USA USA
            >im proud to be white
            BURN HIM AT THE STAKE

          • ChuckRamone

            I’ve unleashed the rage. Just let it all out. You sound exactly like the people who post on Stormfront who say things like “it’s racist to say something is racist.” “Everyone wants white people to be extinct.” Great logic there. So you’re saying there were no Chinese laborers building the railroads? No Japanese workers on Hawaiian sugar plantations? The Southwest and Hawaii are the homelands of white European settlers? Are you gonna pass legislation to send all black, Mexican, and Asian people back to their homelands? While you’re at it, you should send back all Catholics, anarchists, beggars and prostitutes too. Also no Polish or Italians allowed.

          • Californiaz

            Hey you’re the all knowing racist, not me. You even admit to visiting Stormfront.

            Why can’t you just get with the program you bigot? Its people like you who hold this country back, its 2013 ffs. Multiculturalism is a failure. Even Merkel, Cameron, and Sarkozy think so.

          • ChuckRamone

            Alright, there, Don Draper. Hey, who’s the writer of that show? Oh, it’s Matt Weiner.

            Multiculturalism is a failure and yet America still has the highest GDP and murders are at their lowest point in 40 years. But there will always be pessimists and declinists like you who think everything is going to pot.

          • Californiaz

            Hey if you love multiculturalism so much go live in Detroit, the “multicultural metropolis of the future”

            Wake the fuck up.

          • BiggJ

            What about Toronto? One of the most multicultural cities in the world. And that’s a great place to go with good jobs, nice food many things to do.They seem to be getting along just fine.

          • Californiaz

            So fine in fact that their mayor learned from local minorities their rich culture and heritage by smoking crack. He did so in an effort to make intercultural understanding and to promote diversity.

          • BiggJ

            Just goes to show a fat crack head can be mayor of a multicultural city and things still flow good.

          • Beelzebub

            This is nothing new, what’s so bad about crack, I have indulged in illicit substances, cocaine is nothing new, either smoked or snorted, what about a certain president of USania who smoked but never inhaled:)

          • SuperHappyCow

            It’s kind of weird that you site the FBI crime stats by race, and that you also don’t happen to know that crimes that became associated with certain racial groups due to propaganda are sought after by police, overcharged by prosecutors, and have far steeper minimum sentences than those not associated with minorities. Weird that you don’t know that, or anything about the U.S.

          • SkaMen

            That sure is a anachronism if I ever heard one! The real perversion is that you can not understand your own history in its own context.

            The real modern invention is the idea of there being a “Universal type” of white Person. Prior to modernity the division between nation state and etnicity was way biger and certainly more relevant than today.

            There was no kinship based on the mere coincidence of being “White” , furthermore allmost all Europeans discerned and discriminated other “Whites” based first on etninicity and second religion. At the time of the Colony being Anglo-Saxon, Celt, Mediterranean or Slav was as significant astoday being Hispanic, Asian,Black, Arab, etc…

            I make emphasis on this because it is important to understand that the same mentality carried over to the “New World” Americas first beast of burden where Dutch imigratans that worked in a state of quasi-servitude. Later came the French, Germans, Irish, Slavs, Italians and other Mediterraneans.

            By the late 1800′s the Eas Coast was filled with slums and shanty towns filled with white inmmigrants all thanks to the very lax immigration policies of the unitied states, that resulted in the rise of criminality.

            Those latecomers resorted to crime, not because they where more likely to do break the law due to their nationality or etnicity, but because their socioeconomical status facilitated it. The same thing can be said today about modern America.

            The truth is that the many waves of European immigration where all by themselves a very clear example of multiculturalism all by it self.

            Like some one said it before me, you might not like multiculturalism and immigration, but it is undeniably a force of nature and one of the engines of History. Like it or not it will happen and failing to realize that your country was the product of a multicultural society makes your argument hollow and empty.

            Finally this idea you have of The United States of North America as a Constitutional White Nation is nothing more than fiction:

            Prior to 1790 the criteria to become a citizen was nothing more than two years of residency. Federal regulation concerning criminals and the sick did not start until 1875! Knowlege of the English language did not become a requirement until 1906 and with the exemption of the Chinese Exclusion Act the regulation of imigration based yearly quotas acording to nationalities did not came to be untill 1921. Leaving only the period of 1921 – 1965 as the only periods in your constitutional history with some sort of legal basis for discrimination of immigrants.

          • Zappa Frank

            the point of white is true, as the “white” race as we think today is a quite recent invention, the same goes for “yellow” and “black” race. Simply because as long as your world is so small that does not allow you to have contact with other “race” (if we can use this unclear word) you do not need to find a definition. However, the fact that wars and other conflict were after the race is not so accepted among historicians, many cultures like romans and so on were by some historicians belived to be not racist at all, conflicts were after something else, but not race…even races are a relatively new invention.

            On one point i agree with california, is true in the end the only who’s doing something against racism and to let other people be integrated are europeans/americans, asians in their countries do as much as possibile to esclude..

          • SkaMen

            Latinamericasn are hisoricly very inclusive. They recieved thousands of European immigrants during and after WWII and I am not talking about Germans only, but also about Italians, Spaniards and Portuguese.

            There is alsow a big wave ofimmigration from Caribean and Asian countries…

            You could even sai that Latin America is one succesfull example of multicultural integration.

          • europhobic

            The so called “hispanics” are the natives of North America, do you at least understand this simple fact?

        • jon776

          No, it’s an ideology that aims to forcibly merge cultures together to create a wonderful paradise. It involves cultural relativism and usually a lot of white guilt and usually very little logic. -ISMs are ideologies or ideas. If it would be by chance or as a consequence of immigration, it’s just a multicultural society.

          • Kai

            The term can be used descriptively or normatively.

            I make it clear in subsequent comments in this thread that I understand Californiaz and others are using it in a normative sense. My point is to argue that regardless of its merits as an ideology or policy (especially since people color their definition of it), I see it as an inevitability, a direction of overall society due to an increasingly mobile population competing for scarce resources.

            Lemme offer an imperfect but I hope understandable analogy: Evolution isn’t going to stop just because someone dislikes that others subscribe to it.

          • jon776

            Evolution is not going to stop, but we can direct evolution. We can weed out the weak in favor of the strong, we can weed out the ugly in favor of the pretty and we can weed out defects and diseases. Non-european cultures are usually primitive and undeveloped. What does civilized cultures gain from mixing with primitive and less developed cultures?

          • Kai

            Yes, we can direct evolution, we can play eugenics with short-sighted subjectivity, and we can mobilize people to support such efforts. People have done it before. I recognize that.

            Multiculturalism as a normative policy is merely another effort that has mobilized support. I know people can mobilize opposition. My greater point was that I think regardless of whether we push for normative multiculturalism or not, more basic factors of life like increasing mobility and competition for scarce resources will make it an inevitability. You may end up fighting to hold onto something that by nature must change. It’s a refusal to adapt, and to use the evolution metaphor, that risks extinction in a changing environment.

            I disagree with your last two sentences. European culture got where it is today in large part because of what it learned, took, and yes, from mixing with what many in European societies might have short-sightedly considered “primitive and less developed” cultures.

          • jon776

            It will only be inevitable if we allow increased mobility. I see no reason for blindly allowing it. It’s as illogical as opening my front door and let anyone come and go.

            Not really. I know non-europeans like to say that Europeans just stole everything to feel better about themselves for basically sucking, but there’s little evidence for it. There were a few arabic and chinese discoveries that helped a little bit, but that’s about it. It’s like the blacks who think slaves built America, when they actually just contributed a tiny bit.

          • Kai

            I’m not invoking any reason for “blindly allowing” anything, and sure, you can restrict mobility. Hell, we already do. But in a world of scarce resources, you’re going to be in a world of hurt if you think the have-nots are going to happily let you monopolize resources for yourself indefinitely. That’s why it’s called a “competition” for scarce resources.

            Furthermore, multiculturalism even as a normative concept is not about letting anyone come and go. Why conflate the two in this discussion?

            Multiculturalism to me is the end result of people competing for the same resources and thus influencing each other due to that contact and interaction. We already exist in multiculturalism. I have no qualms with people wanting to preserve whatever arbitrary subjective “identity” they have for themselves, but I think that identity is going to change whether they like it or not. Anyone who thinks their identity today is how it was even a few decades ago is deluding themselves.

            I think we’re rapidly reaching a point where we can no longer communicate fruitfully due to lack of a shared premise.

          • jon776

            Multiculturalism and monpolizing resources are not related in any way. You have a strange way of defining multiculturalism so I see no point in replying.

          • Kai

            I didn’t define multiculturalism as monopolizing resources. I said the competition for scarce resources with increasing mobility of the world’s population makes multiculturalism an inevitability.

            You oppose the normative concept of multiculturalism. To that end, you want to restrict mobility to restrict others from having access to what you consider your resources. This is “monopolizing” resources. They are related in the framework I am describing and has from the very first comment I made in this thread. If you had a problem with it, shouldn’t you have challenged the premise of competition for scarce resources from the start?

            When there is competition, there exists the opportunity for monopoly. If you aim to restrict others’ access, then you are seeking to monopolize. There is nothing strange about this.

      • Washington Bullets

        I wonder what that means for Americans…..

        We kinda killed off all the original inhabitants.

        • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

          Hunan people?

      • Bada

        Sorry, but I like myself a sweet Asian girl. I just hope people like you won’t have their way and make my Europe a shit place for everyone.

        • Pickle

          Does being attracted to Asian women mean entire nations should be flooded by immigrants?

          • europhobic

            It’s hilarious that these people calling for mono-cultural environments come from multicultural countries. I live in a place with 2 large ethnic groups and almost no “minorities”, it sucks. You blame stuff on immigrants that has nothing to do with them, everyone needs a scapegoat I guess.
            Go and study what the world was like in medieval times when countries actually were mono-cultural, it wasn’t great, I can assure you.

          • Dr Sun

            Hey, I to live in a country with only 2 large groups ,the CPC and the people, both ethnically joined (allegedly) but it sucks too.

            So much for the monoethnic argument.

          • Pickle

            Your statement doesn’t seem to connect well with my mine. Are you sure you meant to reply to mine?

          • europhobic

            I previously read how you said to agree with Californiaz on principle but indeed, it doesn’t directly relate to your current comment.

          • jon776

            Countries were hardly mono-cultural during medieval times. It was actually the opposite. Kings and emperors grabbed land regardless of who lived there and did so until nationalism became a thing back in the 1700.

          • europhobic

            Borders were redefined constantly, sure. Compared to now, the main cities/cultural centers were pretty much mono-cultural where 95%+ were of one nationality. Or do you think London had thousands of Pakistanis, Paris had thousands of north Africans back then?

          • jon776

            Not really, but there were jews, gyspies and other neighboring ethnicities there. Besides, medieval times weren’t so horrible as people say. It was much better than when the romans controlled the continent and I would say even better than the industrial era that followed.

      • asdf

        multiculturalism is to spread genes so that you don’t get an entire population of inbred dolts who are easily susceptible to diseases and environmental changes.

      • Leon

        France is a racist country?
        http://www.jokeoverflow.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/pic19668.jpg

        Who really holds the power in China? Westerners in Chinese Government.
        http://jewishfaces.com/china.html

        The Chinese ruling class won’t share their benefits with others. BWAHAHAHAHA

        Get the fuck out of Europe!

      • Carmen

        Europeans spends centuries colonizing and stealing wealth from the whole world, leaving the rest of it shambles, and then complain when that same wealth attracts immigrants. *rolls eyes*

      • Xu

        Or better, every country for everyone. Xenophobic racism isn’t acceptable when practiced by anyone.

    • Leon

      France is a racist country?
      http://www.jokeoverflow.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/pic19668.jpg

      Who really holds the power in China? Westerners in Chinese Government.
      http://jewishfaces.com/china.html

      The Chinese ruling class won’t share their benefits with others. BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!

      China is a joke!

    • Gordon Gogodancer

      I just learned some new info on this issue. I was wondering why the subject didn’t become a big national scandal in China, the reason might be that the girl who got bottled in the face not only is the daughter of a mayor of an important city but also came to France without a visa….because she has a german passport, which is illegal in China. :D
      And speaking about Chinese people who get hit with bottles in France, there are French people who get hit with bottles all the time in Shanghai.

  • Saii

    It should be noted, that in France, Germany or many other Northern-European Countries, when it comes to violent crimes especially in big citys, it is very likely that the criminal is of North African descent (At least in France, in Germany he would be Turkish). The problem is, newspapers most often don’t report the ethnicy, from fear of being accused of racism or they are very pc themselfes.

    • Probotector

      Racist

      • Eurotrash

        I lived in Paris for 10 years. The only trouble I ever had was from the North African Arabs. I even got into a fight with a group of them after I wouldn’t let them randomly insult me. They used to hang out near Le Rex. Not anymore.

        • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

          If you’re in the west and people bully you frequently, it doesn’t matter their ethnicity man, it only means you are weak.

          • Pickle

            That’s partly true. But certain groups still start more trouble than others.

          • SuperHappyCow

            That’s hardly true.

          • Pickle

            Yeah it is. He says the west but in this case he means the USA. People of all races attack and bully the weaker people all the time. And some groups go further with it because they hate different races than themselves.

          • SuperHappyCow

            I really don’t know if it falls along racial as opposed to ideological.

          • Pickle

            It’s really everything. All things play a part in it. Weak & different. Opposing views. People will attack others no matter how small the difference.

          • SuperHappyCow

            Not necessarily physically either.

          • Pickle

            You’re right. And the circle closes…I hope. “whew”

          • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

            The world is not USA. I said ” In the west” .

          • jean of arc

            i agree to a certain point.Chinese in western culture are perceived as weak easy targets that dont fight back.

        • Probotector

          Why not just say “I hate n*****s!”?

          • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

            he doesn’t want to lose face. He’s been to France.

          • SuperHappyCow

            Probotecter thinks he’s being clever by being what one might call a “poe”

          • SuperHappyCow

            They’re Arabs, wanker.

          • mr.wiener

            Arab naggers?

          • Probotector

            I stand corrected, but you’re still a dick

          • SuperHappyCow

            So long as I get to be the one that’s in your butt.

          • Pickle

            That’s probably what he wants. Albeit for real.

          • mr.wiener

            Naggers?

          • Monkeekong

            negus, he said he hates negus.

        • Gordon Gogodancer

          Yes sir…i’ve lived in France for over 20 years and 95% of my physical and verbal altercations involved French Arabs. That doesn’t mean i don’t like them, i understand the social situation of the majority of them, still that doesn’t mean i will take any shit coming from an angry adolescent dickhead.
          For the record, 2 of my best friends are Algerian and a French black muslim.

          • SuperHappyCow

            SMOE OF MY BEaST FRaNDS ARE BLACK.

            hehehehe

      • Alex

        Not racist, how to say.. mmm.. “Statist”? Just look at police files and statistics.

        • Kai

          Still has more to do with socioeconomics than race or ethnicity.

          • Saii

            As pointed out above. Socioeconomics only play a minor role. Otherwise, people with similar socioecomic status would also be prone to certain crimes, which is not the case.

            Then one could even argue, that in “poor” countries all people are criminals. Are all peasants in China violent offenders?

            I also don’t think it has anything to do with race or ethnicity, it’s just a coincidence.
            Mostly it has to do with a muslim cultur that is proud to be backwards and based on a very odd understanding of honour.
            Therefore it’s ridiculous to call me a racist, because I’m not pointing to a certain race, but to a group of people who the same cultural tradition in common.

            That’s also why you see the same pattern over all of Europe. In Britian it’s the Pakistani, in France and the Netherlands the North-Africian and in Germany the Turkish.
            I know for some people reading this, it’s like a reflex to think this is racist, but it’s just a fact and why should the truth be restrained?

          • Kai

            Wait, where was it pointed out above? I’ve just jumped directly to your response so you may be referring to another comment that was made after my last visit but one that I haven’t yet read, but I’d appreciate if you could link me to directly what you’re referring to. I’m also not sure where it was shown that people with similar socioeconomic status aren’t prone to certain crimes.

            The argument is not that similar socioeconomic status results in the same crimes, but that socioeconomic factors correlate and are more determinant of behaviors than race, ethnicity, or even geographical area of origin (i.e. North Africa).

            Seek truth but question those who claim to have it. I understand the relevance of correlation, I’m criticizing the willingness of some people to stop at race and ethnicity and even culture and religion when seeking explanations for behavior.

          • SkaMen

            ” As pointed out above. Socioeconomics only play a minor role. Otherwise, people with similar socioecomic status would also be prone to certain crimes, which is not the case. ”

            Could you please post a source?

    • Mighty

      That’s true. Most videos I’ve seen (of attacks in Europe) are just as you’ve described. If it’s in France people assume the attackers are French; in Germany, German; etc. In the States we do see of description like ‘Black, White, Latino, or Asian’ to help the public be aware. Sometimes ‘The suspect is described as Hispanic or White’ or ‘The suspect is described as Latino or Asian’. That’s when things get a bit confusing.

    • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

      That is Racist, and dumb.

      • Saii

        Well, that’s the reality…

        If you don’t like it or can’t handle it, fell free to quack random insults to anyone who doesn’t conform to your viewpoint.

        • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

          lol you said it man.. that’s the reality, you’re racist, and dumb. Only yourself so far, nothing random about it.

          • Saii

            Sorry, I suspected you were a grown up.

          • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

            Nothing wrong with it man. The biggest phenomena in modern society is the huge amount of limitations we have within our minds, hence recent events. It’s not their fault to be born african, latino, white, or asian, not yours either. So we have no fucking clue when it comes to talk about poverty and discrimination against one self. we’re comfortably sitting in our living room thinking we’re right about shit we don’t know about because.. we have a living room. They don’t.

          • Pickle

            Troll or not there are people in the word like that. If you point out an uncomfortable fact they call you a racist.

          • Kai

            That’s true, it’s inaccurate to call someone “racist” for “pointing out an uncomfortable fact”. They should be called “racist” for “allowing themselves to stop their thought process at that point”. I don’t think people recognize that subtlety.

          • Pickle

            Why don’t you elaborate more on that thought? Give some examples on this.

          • Kai

            I’d point to some of the comments I’m replying to. I don’t think it is intelligent or praiseworthy to conclude the blame game at race. I think socioeconomic factors influence behavior far more than race does. If that is the case, why the preoccupation with delineating behavior along racial lines? It’s human, yes, but it isn’t actually logical, and often when someone stops there, it says less about their desire to minimize a behavior or phenomenon than their desire to just scapegoat on racial lines. It’s less about trying to get to the root of the problem than to merely say “well, I’m not like them so I don’t have to feel bad about it”.

          • SuperHappyCow

            Socioeconomic status isn’t the only thing that causes crime to be perceived by a minority, as crimes that are committed by the minority are not seen as being as dangerous as those committed by the minority. If the minority group were still “perceived” as perfect citizens, they would still be susceptible to being attacked without repercussion depending on factors that are not really related to their own SES.

          • Pickle

            I agree with you that socioeconomics can influence human behavior but not nearly as much as their genes.

          • Kai

            Sure, I can understand that, except while science has determined that genes can influence behavior, it hasn’t identified what genes cause the behaviors we’re referring to. Till then, it’s a lot more helpful to investigate and seek to improve socioeconomic environmental factors that shape human behavior than just throwing our hands up and say it must be some unknown gene that we suspect that person must have that causes them to behave the way they did.

          • Pickle

            It seems more like a vicious cycle really. Bad characters who are poor behave poorly breeding more bad characters who are still poor in both money and well…character. See Detroit.

          • Kai

            Heh, the Idiocracy phenomenon? Well, I think that’s a failure of society. After all, society came about to bring order out of chaos. It’s not like any of us popped into this world in a state of harmony and moral enlightenment. We were socialized with values to guide our behavior. If some people aren’t being socialized that way, then that shows a breakdown or a crack in the overall social system. Look at all of the “model” people and communities in the world. Do we think they were always like that? No, they found a way to become what they are. How do we replicate that?

    • Rainer

      In Germany the most violent crime in recent years were committed by white german against Turkish ( ever heard of 7 seriel murder cases by neo-Nazi?) and hope you arent saying the 2.3 million prison population of US are not Americans.

      • Saii

        Sadly, thats true. But it doesn’t change anything on what I said, does it?

        Of course migrants (especially from Muslim countrys) don’t have a monopol on criminal behavior. But in the violent, junvenile day to day crime they are totally overrepresented compared to their share in the population.

        I really don’t get, why some people always try to relativize that, by almost obsessively rembering everyone that other people also do crime.

        • mr.wiener

          The thugs were French, no matter what their ethnicity.

          • Thor

            And they can’t be Arabs, since Arabs usually don’t drink (let alone live in a small village). I’m pretty sure that these crazies vote for the bloody FN. They can be this mean and never miss an occasion to show their real face. They got themselves intoxicated for he attack, that was planned.

        • filabusta

          I think it has a lot more to do with social and economic status than with race. It’s just that migrants tend to have a lower status in society than the natural population.

        • ivanco

          i think in germany criminals are mostly nazis…different than other European coutries..

          • Rick in China

            I don’t think you know anything about Germany.

            Most criminals are not “nazis”, although, 100% of all nazis are *criminals*. You realize that, in Germany, any propagation or display of NAZIism is illegal, yes? You should talk about topics you understand. Let me give you an example: Buddy walks down the street with a tiny swaztika tattooed on his wrist. Police see that. They will arrest him. They will keep him jailed until he either agrees to cover it up 100% of the time or be re-arrested, or gets the tattoo inked over. It’s that strict.

          • Saii

            Here is the evidence. Use google translate, if you can’t read german:

            http://www.jungefreiheit.de/Single-News-Display-mit-Komm.154+M5201ac99caf.0.html

            And that’s just one, which I found in a few minutes google search.

            Of course which media or police ministry would risk to be called a racist, especially in germany, while he is just publishing facts.
            Look what happened to me, I’m not a racist, not even close! Yet here, it’s the most commen thing for only stating what’s obvious, that one is racist or whatever.
            Bigots and Hypocrtis like you, prevent most statistics in europe that show the descent of the offender, by becoming hysterical when someone just hints the littlest facts.
            And then you take that as a proof of your position. Again, that bigotery and hypocritical.

            Proof? Here you go:
            http://www.rbb-online.de/nachrichten/politik/2013_05/Berlin_Kriminalitaet_Migration_Statistik_Kritik.html

            And now please the usual “you are a racist/nazi” responses, so that I don’t start thinking one could become rational and sane, when it comes to arguing.

          • Rick in China

            Great proof. Except it’s all bullshit. Gil Ronen is the guy who started the “they’re all muslim” bullshit. Here’s what The Royal Norwegian Ministry of Justice and the Police had to say about Ronen’s bullshit:

            “Statistics regarding assault rapists:

            The Oslo Police District has given a report of rapes in Oslo in 2010. The report shows that for all types of rape, except assault rape, European perpetrators are in the majority, and they are mostly Norwegian. Assault rapes covers only five identified unique person. These have all a foreign origin. The number is however, so low that it does not provide a basis for drawing conclusions with regard to country of origin. Two of them were very young (under 18) and two had severe psychiatric diagnoses and cannot be regarded as representative of their ethnic culture. It is highlighted in the report that generalizations like “Oslo’s rapists are foreigners”, which have been seen in media, are wrong. The report gives no statistics regarding religion of rapists.”

            Yours Sincerely,

            Grethe Kleivan

            Deputy Director General”

            Care to cite more random blogs or opinion pieces propagating hate to back your claims? The only thing it’s proving is you read opinion pieces as facts and do no real research, only repeating the absolute bullshit you shove into your head as if there is any credential evidence to support it…when clearly there isn’t.

          • Saii

            You say I believe and read only opionion pieces, that fuel my hate?

            Oh boy, every post of yours that I answered so far was packed with flawed accusations and informations, which I tried to correct afterwards. Still you seem very persistend to write the same misleading stuff over and over again.

            The quote you posted is from a site called “loonwatch.com” which only dedication it is, to call everyone who critizes Islam a racist and islamophob (like yourself, so no wonder you quoted them) or from the blog of the author itself, which is only about defaming any critic of Islam too. AND YOU TALK ABOUT OPIONION PIECES! ARE YOU SERIOUS?!

            There were 86 cases of assault rape and in 83 of them, the suspect was of non-western appereance.

            In total numbers for all rape cases: 47% were conducted by people from muslim country. But they make only 1,5% of the total population!

            So the question is: Are you blind or are you stupid? Or probably both?

            Could it be anymore obvious!?!

            I have done my job! Why don’t you now show me only one crime-statistic of a major Northern-European city, where there is a breakdown of origin or descent (not Nationality, because in Germany for example, a lot of guys take the German nationality over the ones of their parents) and where the ones from muslim countrys are not totally overrepresented!

            You are knee-deep in leftish ideology, which prevents you from seeing the simplest facts (Which I presented to you again, in this very post). You probably have only good intentions, but being such a leftards as you are, the incoherent stuff you write just seems ludicrous and totally out of touch with the reality.

            Yes, in cloud-cuckoo-land everything is fine and people are huggin all day. And as much as I wish, that would be the real world: unfortuantely it’s not. So get over it and stop arguing, as if we were living in dream-land.

          • Rick in China

            Your facts are not facts. Show me where you got them.

            You write shit as matter of fact, but don’t cite any source. If you want any credibility with your information maybe you should point out where 83/86 rapists during whatever time period were suspected to be muslims. I’d love to read that somewhere official, rather than from one of your hate blogs.

            In Norway, which you brought up for whatever reason in this French story, here’s an article about foreigners flooding into their prisons.

            http://www.thelocal.no/20120305/more-foreigners-filling-norways-jails

            No mention of muslims. 30% or so of the inmates are foreigners. It says that the bulk seems to be poles and lithuanians…which are generally, what’s that? WHITE.

            Where exactly are you getting your random bullshit from,c are to cite *something*? Anything? A source that’s not islamsarecoming.freakoutnow.grabyergun.org?

        • Rick in China

          It does, actually. Your facts and your explanation don’t line up.

          You first say”it is very likely that the criminal is of North African descent” – then when reminded that the majority of crimes are generally by _white_ people, you say, “are totally overrepresented compared to their share in the population.” – well, which is it? “to their share” of population and “very likely a…” are NOT the same. If it’s very likely an X Y Z, it would have to be a secured majority of that type of people who are committing that type of crime in that area. Are you implying that most crimes committed in this “1300 person” town are likely by North Africans? Are you high, or just racist? I think the “very likely” answer is: both.

          • Saii

            @4650094c9747c12c6e88ce5ac2ff0d6e:disqus
            Despite of the “offical” way of their religion a lot of young Muslims drink. Just like they have sex befor marriage or don’t pray 5 times a day. Look at the case of Jonny K. in Berlin, who was beat to death by a group of young, mostly Turkish men, who were drunken. Many more cases could be pointed out.

            @rickinchina:disqus
            I actually think you are high, because in no way is there any contradiction in what I said. For example: The share of cultural muslims might be 20% in a given city, but their share in rates of violent crimes might be 70%. So both is true, they are overreprestend and it is verly likely that they have commited a violent crime.
            But of course it is very convenient to call everyone a racist, who just points out some facts, that may contrary to ones own beliefs. Why get into the thinking thing, if the other guy is obviously a racist and only must be called like that, to win the discussion.
            I think that is very poor and only indicates the weakness of your argumentation.
            I don’t want to sound arrogant, but I don’t have to insult you, because the facts are on my side.

            @filabusta:disqus
            Germany also has a large group of Vietnamese immigrants. They have often times worse socioeconomic circumstances than migrants from muslim countrys, but yet there is almost no problem in respect to crime with that population. How is that possible if your logic applys? I think socioeconomic status only accounts for a very small amount. Otherwise you couldn’t make sense of people who have a low socioeconomic status, but aren’t very prone to commit certain crimes.

            So you see your theory is very incoherent.

            You can’t blame the society on everything. The problem with muslim immigrants is the culture of macho man, where it is believed that everything, that was written in a 7th century fantasy book by goat herders, must be 100% true and 100% executed, even in the 21th century.

          • Rick in China

            “overreprestend and it is verly likely that they have commited a violent crime”

            You do NOT know how to read statistics. Ok, lets give it a shot:

            Lets say 50% of all (whatever) have committed a crime. Lets say they represent 10% of the population. They, as an ethnicity, have a very high criminal rate for their ethnicity.

            Lets say only 20% of all (majority/other/whatever) have committed a crime. Their crime rate is much lower. But they also represent 90% of the population.

            If there are 100k people and the make-up is as above, the (whatever) minority does have a very high crime rate. They do not, however, COMMIT MORE OF THE CRIMES in that region. Given the random numbers above, while you may look at it and say “wow so many of those (whatever) are criminals!” it does NOT mean that given a crime, the chances are it is done *by them*. 5000 of the (whatever) would have committed a crime, and 18,000 of the (majority) would have committed a crime.

            The numbers for EVERY european country, look them up, the ethnic minorities (most stats just say “immigrants”, btw, which include a variety of races) are at most around 50% immigrants committing a variety of crimes vs. 50% domestics, in most cases FAR less…10%, 15%. Of any given ethnicity, there is often much higher *RATE*..meaning % of the turkish/arabic/african immigrants than the ‘white’ rates in terms of criminal offenses, however, in no case are there more actual *crimes* by 1 ethnicity than locals. In no case. Spend some time and look stats up – which are often all presented in different ways, but in no case that I could find can you derive your ridiculous conclusion that the chances are it was (some minority) that committed a crime rather than a white local. You’re a fucking idiot who can’t read statistics, and warps what you read to fit your racist views. That’s a fact.

          • Saii

            You just don’t get that your premise isn’t true. Of course I understand what you mean, but the point is, that in absoulte numbers, say for example of 100 violent juvenile crimes, when 70 of them were commited by a certain ethnicity, it’s just like I said.

            And that’s how statistic are most often build. You have a crime, and then it say who has which share.

            Of course, in your example the share on the crime rate would only be 21,74%. But I’m talking about areas where the actual share of crime rate with respect to certain people is higer than that.

            Again, there is absolutely no contradiction and I found your attempt to portray yourself as a statistician pretty comical, given that you are obviously not up to discern the simplest things.

            If I were Rick in China, the last part would be reserved for some insults like stupid dickhead. Well, I’m a grown up, so I will skip that part.

          • Rick in China

            “say for example of 100 violent juvenile crimes, when 70 of them were commited by a certain ethnicity, it’s just like I said.”

            Except there is no statistic in Europe that represents any number in that proportion, and I’d challenge you to show any evidence other than your ridiculous racism.

          • SuperHappyCow

            It’s funny. The U.S. is the same. There was this pretty ridiculous propaganda effort during the Reagan administration to paint black Americans as responsible for giant crime waves, and that they were all crack whores and drug dealers who were stuck on welfare and didn’t want to work.

            Nevermind the tons of factories that employed most Africans becoming outsourced, or that blacks never took more welfare than whites, or that drugs weren’t considered a huge problem until the Reagan admin made it so, or that all racial groups in the U.S. possess and deal drugs at about the same rate.

            Yet people still cite the idea that all of “THOSE people” are committing crimes, while everyone else are good citizens. Evil shit.

        • Kai

          I think it’s because people don’t understand some people seem insistent on ending the conversation at identifying a group of people as statistically more “guilty” than others, rather than continuing on to explore, discuss, and consider the underlying reasons for that group being predisposed to that behavior or phenomenon. It’s the difference between saying “they do this because they are of this skin color/ethnicity” and “they do this because x aspects of their life/environment is conducive to it”.

          Why not seek to find the true root of the problem rather than stopping at superficial factors?

          • Rick in China

            Or doing some actual statistical research rather than read opinion pieces or clearly racially motivated smear pieces and present them on comment boards as if they’re matters of fact.

          • SuperHappyCow

            I question whether or not x or y group is more likely to commit crimes, anyway. In the U.S. crimes that are generally associated with blacks are prosecuted extremely harsher than identical, or much more dangerous crimes that are associated with whites or other groups.

            For example, crack being a drug that has mandatory prison sentences that are something like 95 times longer than cocaine. One you smoke, the other you snort, yet the first is A: sought after by police more, and B: prosecuted much harsher.

            Being a minority is not only about being a small group, but it’s also about whether crimes committed against you are legally allowed or not.

    • wut

      i remember a fashion columnist who stuided in france and also interested in houman rights said “in france they report crime not ethnicity becuase the french believe crime has nothing to do with ethnicity and only the individual matters.”
      basically at that time korea was extremely xenophobic and a lot koreans were impressed by his column..

  • Probotector

    A taste of their own medicine.

    • SuperHappyCow

      What?

      • Probotector

        English to hard for you to read?

        • SuperHappyCow

          You used the wrong “to” sounding word.

          I don’t know why you want them to get brutally attacked. From reading your posts, it seems like you really hate Chinese people. I’m not intentionally trying to antagonize you. I’m just pointing out that you might have a bit of a problem. I mean, who would say that?

          • Probotector

            Typo. Obviously you have never lived in China or bean physically attacked my Chinese.

          • SuperHappyCow

            Stop drinking and posting on the internet.

          • Kai

            Aren’t you willingly perpetuating the same thing you claim to be a victim of?

          • SuperHappyCow

            I’ve been physically attacked by white people on numerous occasions in the U.S. and in my own home. I wouldn’t feel even slightly happy to see a white person get attacked by a black person. You really ACTUALLY have a problem, and need to figure it out. And it’s not me telling you that I peed in your mom(which i did) or that you’ll never be half the cow that I am(which you can’t) or that you should go kill yourself(which you should consider),it’s that you should srsly get the fuck off the internet and reevaluate your shit.

          • Probotector

            A difference of opinion then.

          • Probotector

            So wishing comeuppance o a bunch of people who are notorious for dishing out xenophobic suffering makes me “ACTUALLY have a problem”. Here’s the thing, most Chinese would agree with my line of thinking (wishing hurt on those who deserve it) except they are playing for the other side. Ii seems that you want to take some sort of moral high ground and appear centrist, but you just come off as weak and judgmental. In any case, 9 upvotes man, so do all the people who agree with me “actually have a problem” too?

          • Kai

            Just because people agree with you doesn’t mean others are wrong when they disagree with you.

          • SuperHappyCow

            “So wishing comeuppance o a bunch of people who are notorious for dishing out xenophobic suffering”

            Wait are we talking about white people?

  • peter

    In China happened the same a short time ago.
    Difference though: Even when there was a video of the incident, die police in china refused to investigate, while in France they already caught 2/3 guys.

    Source (incl. Video): http://shanghaiist.com/2013/06/14/french-expat-bar-88.php

    • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

      he’s French obviously he fked some Chinese boys girlfriend and then dumped her.

      • peter

        No, based on the comments of the eyewittness (who made the video and is host on shanghaiist), he was with his french girlfriend there.

        • Mighty

          I didn’t see where his gf was described as ‘French’. Which is why I suspect the gf was Chinese and that was enough to set off the local boys.

        • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

          yea, he really gonna drop out to his long term French girlfriend he been knocking the back out of a local Chinese bird is he.
          FFS,

      • SuperHappyCow

        Oh, Snowden. Haven’t seen you since last year. Where’ve you been?

        • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

          Got a new job as a double agent for the US and the Chinese, kind of piggy eyed in Honk Kong the middle.

          Nice earner.

          BTW do you know the NSA is watching you?

          • SuperHappyCow

            I only watch without strings. Badaboom.

            Over your head and mine, brother. Over your head and mine.

  • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

    Culture shock for them
    Its the west , its normal to get beat up any time any where for what ever reason.
    The grass aint always fking greener, usually more red.
    and the fact there is a billion Chinese now wondering the planet there’s a high chance sht going to happen to them every day somewhere or a another.
    Least they don’t get left to bleed out on the streets in the west.

    They been bottle fed in this country far to long. Welcome to the real sht.

    I stay here is safer.
    waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

    • Mighty

      It is usually the Chinese tourists bringing ‘culture shock’ to countries they visit.

      • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

        maybe the students where dumping and gobbing in the streets.

        • Eurotrash

          Could well have been. Good point.

        • Probotector

          More likely they were seen as an easy target because Chinese are generally considered passive by westerners.

      • zef

        Source?

        • Mighty

          Just Google ‘rude Chinese tourists’.

        • Mighty

          Just Google ‘rude Chinese tourists’.

    • Zappa Frank

      “Its the west , its normal to get beat up any time any where for what ever reason.” what????? i think you do not know what are you talking about.. in places like the one describe (and in europe in general) is extremely hard..

      • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

        you are from Canada, right? your comment has Canadian written all over it. What a wonderful community the Canadians. I’m serious. I’ve never met nicer people. Otherwise your Danish, or Finnish. What a bunch of nice people. Ethnic violence is the most common thing in the west since the Romans.

        • Zappa Frank

          i’m italian… and no, never in my life i’ve been attacked for no reason (there was always a reason indeed, but i was a bit troublesome). Maybe in US is common, but in europe you really have to look for it..

          • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

            Hence what happened to these guys…

          • Kai

            I’m not sure why you think these Chinese students went looking for trouble with these guys. By all accounts I’ve seen, the drunk guys merely assumed it was they who called the cops on them. There’s no record showing that it was them. It could’ve been and seems like it was another neighbor entirely. You have eyewitnesses testifying on the record to them being a public disturbance.

          • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

            The story is still unilateral, that means told by the victims. I won’t change my opinion until I hear it from another source.

          • Kai

            I’m not sure why you think that’s the case. The story resembles the same stories published in the Western media, quoting the same people and details. Journalists were looking at the official police report as well. It’s not as if the attackers haven’t been found and haven’t had a chance to explain their actions. They’ve been arrested already and interrogated by the police on their actions and reasons.

      • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

        BS , you live in a box?
        Its common place and you know it

        • Zappa Frank

          maybe it’s in this way in your town, but i can assure that usually in europe (and i’m quite sure it goes the same for most places in us) is almost impossibile to get beatn up for no reason, just randomly.. well maybe if you live in a ghetto

          • Boris

            Mr T is from the UK. Totally different. In most parts of Europe you’ve got to be pretty unlucky to get a kicking. In England, even inanimate objects are aggressive. And personally, I’d fancy my chances of surviving a holiday in Baghdad better than one in Glasgow. ‘Stitch that, yer wee fookin koont!’

    • Probotector

      wandering

    • KAMIKAZIPILOT

      Agree with everything except that it’s normal to get beat up any time for whatever reason in the West. It’s not normal in any way. It happens of course but I’d hardly call it normal.

      • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

        is normal and common place.
        not safe in EU or US.

  • white bear

    They called the police because some Frenchmen were being obnoxious? Was it their first day in France?

    • Probotector

      No, they thought they were in China, and a quick call to the cops would get these guys arrested, deported and banned from France for life.

      • Mighty

        They thought the cops would come and ‘harmonize’ the drunks.

    • SuperHappyCow

      How do we know they even called the police? The article doesn’t say they did, does it?

      • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

        The chinese ones do.

        • Kai

          Uh, no they don’t? Link?

  • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

    How about the french guy who got beat up by a gang in shanghai?

    • wafflestomp

      Or the increasing gang rapes in Beijing? Because it didn’t happen to a Chinese person.

      • wafflestomp
        • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

          when I was in Changchun me and my friends had to fled a few bars just because we were outnumbered by xenophobic kids who just wanted to beat up a foreigner and be proud of it. No only once. We were lucky we knew how to fight.

          I’ve been around this world and the most racist people I’ve met are Chinese within China… like they could say “hey yo, gringo, that’s not enough racism, come to China we’ll teach you how to hate everyone” . Australians come second, they’re nicer than Chinese and they use a lot of fowl language just to be seen, nothing really serious, after you’ve done with the cursing, they’ll buy you a beer. Chinese won’t.

          • SuperHappyCow

            America’s probably the worst. It’s quite complicated, though.

          • Pickle

            Which type of americans are you referring to?

          • SuperHappyCow

            Status quo establishment America.

          • Pickle

            Are you referring to whites? It would have been easier to just say white people.

          • SuperHappyCow

            But I wasn’t just referring to white people. I was referring to the status quo establishment.

          • mr.wiener

            Oh, you mean white people then.

          • Pickle

            And who else but whites are associated with label?

          • SuperHappyCow

            Anyone who supports the idea of the state policing those who don’t endorse white supremacy.

            Those people don’t have to be white. That’s the brilliant thing about a decade of brain washing and democracy subverting Orwellian laws.

            It’s the reason why you hear so many rabid racists quoting civil rights leaders like MLK, even though he was assassinated by the establishment. The meaning of everything has been flipped on its head.

          • Pickle

            Talk about about brainwashed. MLK is not the saint he’s made out to be. There’s info on this guy that’s been sealed by none other than Dick-Head Cheney. Why would he do that? What’s in it for for him?
            Your first statement is just plain wrong. I was hoping you’d have named others who are the establishment but the media has taught you too well.

          • SuperHappyCow

            No, actually, I’m totally right.

          • Probotector

            All white people probably

          • Pickle

            Which you probably hate.

          • Probotector

            So why not emigrate, or join the Pathers?

          • SuperHappyCow

            Born here, smart guy. Wouldn’t matter if I was or if I was not, though. Why should I emigrate?

          • Probotector

            Because you hate the country you are in.

          • SuperHappyCow

            Not really. I’m just pointing out facts.

            Also, I peed on your mum. Sorry. IN your mum.

          • Probotector

            Well then do something to change it

          • SuperHappyCow

            Well, peeing in your mother certainly isn’t going to fucking help, is it?

          • Monkeekong

            that’s because you’re an asshole

          • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

            what, exactly? you got it wrong dude I’m not a mirror.

          • Probotector

            No it’s because you people are ridiculously obsessed with saving face. Tell me would you ever forgive a laowai if he apologised to you, or would that make you a pantu?

          • Monkeekong

            i would forgive anyone if he apologized to me genuinely for anything. I’m not a vindictive judgmental small minded person. But i don’t know why we are talking about forgiveness. El Puma R. seems to have a bad time everywhere and he seems to have some deep-seated hate inside of him and it’s most likely because he looks or acts like an asshole.

          • Probotector

            It’s easier for you to call him that. Actually the problem is with most other people, in that they are assholes because they don’t get what thy want or because they don’t hear what they want to hear. It’s called insecurity and most people are full of it, especially you.

          • Guest

            yup that must be it. that’s why you generalize a whole race of people as “you people.” Seems like you’re the insecure one buddy bringing all this negativity to the table, bitching and moaning on the internet nonstop.

          • Monkeekong

            i’m just callnig it like i see it. how is that being insecure? he sounds like an asshole to me and so do you. And maybe neither him nor you are assholes, just assholes on the internet. That could easily be the case.

          • Monkeekong

            But usually, people’s true personality comes out when they can be anonymous. Look at yourself, is this the person you’d like to be viewed as in real life?

          • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

            you are as insecure as an homophobic in a gay bar.

          • Kai

            In psychology, there’s this thing where if something keeps happening to you, the cause is likely more to do with you than others. It’s not a rule, it’s just a common phenomenon. Kinda like when a girl complains about why she only seems to meet assholes. At some point, you have to stop blaming others and start introspecting. It may very well be others and you’ve just had bad luck, but if you keep experiencing similar issues with different people, you have to look for common factors. It might be tempting to say that common factor is “they’re Chinese”, but given that we intellectually know that not all people are the same, but we are who we are, sometimes it may just be even unconscious ego preservation to blame others. Again, just something to consider. I wouldn’t rule out the bad luck of meeting a string of pricks.

          • Boris

            I’d agree with your theory if Puma were living in a community of people the same ethnic group as him. If you’re white, living in a predominantly white area, and you keep meeting ‘arseholes’ then obviously it’s time for some serious soul-searching. On the other hand, I had a black friend in Moscow. Every time he left his apartment he’d get someone shouting out ‘monkey’ or worse. Of course not everyone in Moscow is racist. But if there are enough racist Muscovites to make your life uncomfortable on a daily basis, it’s going to take serious spiritual training for one not to develop a prejudice. On good days you can say to yourself, ‘Well, I just met an arsehole. Most people are decent.’ But over time it just wears you down and you start hating a place and feel the need to get away from it.

          • Kai

            It isn’t my theory. I wish I was smart enough to have realized that phenomenon but I first learned of it from a psychiatrist.

            I’m not sure why race takes precedence. That suggests a belief that race is a bigger determinant of how people interact and communicate with each other than the interactions themselves. I find that to be incongruous with the vast majority of life’s interactions and relationships.

            Yes, it takes a lot of “spiritual training” (or just strength of character) to not adopt the very behavior and mentality of those who victimize you, but it’s your opportunity to demonstrate to others (and yourself) that you are indeed better than them. The moment you join them, even with a different target, you become a hypocrite that occupies no higher moral ground.

            As I said, I don’t know what is the real root of his experiences. I know that there is prejudice and hate in China, but I also know that some people are by virtue of their own attitude and actions bringing it upon themselves. Judging by his comments on cS, I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s rubbing people the wrong way. I don’t know if that’s the case, and circumstantial evidence is not much in a court of law, but in the court of public opinion, it has bearing.

          • Boris

            ‘I also know that some people are by virtue of their own attitude and actions bringing it (prejudice and hate) upon themselves.’ Well, maybe we’ve just had completely different experiences of foreigners in China. I’ve met few (if any -no particular encounter sticks out in my mind) foreigners who haven’t come to China with an open mind. For the first couple of years people seem really enthusiastic about being here. Over time the prejudice wears them down. And I think it’s getting worse. I’m quite prepared to believe Puma started out here with a neutral view of Chinese people, and later became jaded by his experiences.

          • Kai

            I don’t think we have completely different experiences. Have you honestly never met a foreigner who upon arriving in China finds it hard to adapt to the place, who can’t tolerate how something is different from home, who seems to look down his nose at all manner of behaviors and conventions just because they are strange and foreign to him? I think most of us should have met those types at least once. They may have been sheltered, ignorant, or just unwilling to adapt or accept that things can be different in different countries with different histories.

            I’m not saying there aren’t foreigners who have come here genuinely with as open a mind as they can muster but finally threw the towel in. I know there are many. This site’s comments are a testament to that, at least at face value. However, I wonder if there’s a difference between coming here being open to “liking” the place versus coming here being open to “accepting” the place, with all its differences and idiosyncrasies. I think a lot of people come here willing to let the place win them over. Then there are people who come here willing to adapt themselves to the place, willing to accept what it is, and willing to be part of it and its ongoing change without looking down their nose at it and judging it more often than not for simply being different and having to grapple with a different socioeconomic background.

            People are imperfect. Not everyone can be the better man as much as they might want to. I understand that. I understand there are legitimate grievances, and legitimate victimization. I just think each person should take responsibility for what they bring to the table.

          • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

            And I did! Kai I really appreciate the effort you put in trying to understand people. I left China, and I miss a lot of things, except that habit they have of saving face and not even trying to recognize what is wrong with them, which lead to my departure, in those 5 years I spent there I only saw things getting worse. And once I got to understand their language I realized I’d rather deal with my own country’s shit rather than China’s problems which nobody seems to talk about in real life.
            Here’s an undeniable fact for those who even dare look down on my country and my people.

            Most foreigners who go to China they all leave(and it’s even a social stigmata for us when we’re over there) Foreigners who come to Argentina never want to leave. Including Chinese. Now isn’t that about human quality or what? I’m getting tired of my Chinese wife making daily remarks on how everything is so clean over here. :P

            As for monkeekong and those who spend time looking the way to look down on me, I hope they understand one day that there are more important things in life than listening to those you don’t agree with. Even more, what worries me about them is that they never share any personal experience whatsoever, nor talk from any perspective except for patriotism and arrogance.

          • Kai

            I think it’s important to be aware of the reasons why people don’t agree with you. One shouldn’t “listen” or be “preoccupied with” those who disagree with you, but one should keep an ear open in case they might make a compelling case for their disagreement.

            I think you’re too eager to jump to inflammatory negative generalizations. I’ve experienced and experience a lot of unpleasant things in China, but I don’t let the emotions of those experiences dominate my rationality and cause me to say things I know not to be accurate and ultimately not important. Similar to what you said, there are more important things in life than being preoccupied with people who have made you feel unhappy.

            I’m not saying I don’t understand the need to vent or seek sympathy, I just personally have a different threshold than you do. I think you go too far, that’s all.

          • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

            I’ve been to China, that says it all about going too far. I’m not the only one bringing inflammatory generalizations and even though that’s not an excuse for anything I’ve said here, I must admit that many of my experiences over there changed my perspective towards everything, and even more important, it’s all good with overcoming situations and let them go but hey, doing it to rule your life only by the good things that happen to you sounds a little selfish and naive. Otherwise why are we still writing here? Is this a double standard parade where we can insult strangers?
            So easy to be a know-it-all on this forum.

            If a system is doomed to fail and we’re all living they way it has told us to live, abiding by it’s rules, coupling with it’s oppressive education, going to psychologists when our hearts tell us it’s wrong but everyone says it’s right so we can be re-inserted in society as the quiet workers we are, abusing of materialist morale and police brutality and on top of it being happy with it, then I will be expecting people to disagree with me, ’cause I’m unsatisfied with it. Oh yeah, I could just say “I don’t let the emotions of those experiences dominate my rationality and cause me to say things I know not to be accurate and ultimately not
            important.” just like everyone else, right? you see, we’re totally fucked as a species, by our own choice. Yet on my mini-rants I don’t insult anyone in particular except for generalizing a bit, something I learned in China where I was shocked to meet so many people presenting themselves to me as exactly the same person with the same questions and habits, only with a different name. I’m still trying to couple with it, you know, If my “rationalizations” weren’t important or accurate then I wouldn’t have got so many insulting me so I believe I must have pushed some buttons here and there. Bottom line, who gives a fuck about me enough to insult me? on the internet !

            I blame China for being so filled with prejudice, their fault, not mine… I could even blame them for turning me into such a dick after I learned all their habits customs and traditions, but I won’t go that far because I was actually raised differently and everything that happens in our lives is a direct reaction of what we decide.

            I come here to vent some things out and it’s cool to find people who can show me different points of view. You won’t see me posting on every article here, not even as often as I think I do, therefore I don’t expect anyone to like or dislike me neither I expect to hear what I want to hear, because I’m just who I am and by extension my opinions too, just like anyone else.

            If you want to hear nice things from me and see me smile while I enjoy a happy life, just come and hang out with me in real life. I promise you nothing but a good time. As for the people beating or assaulting other people, it happens all the time, everyday, everywhere. These kids got attention ’cause they are “someones” children, and I see it as a lame, very lame. Every time Chinese try to save face, it backfires on them.

            Last week a young Chinese girl died in my hometown because of an urinal infection. Even customers could see how her belly was all swollen but her boss (Chinese also) wouldn’t let her go to the hospital simple ’cause she had to work at that supermarket. Why didn’t the Chinese media pay attention to it? oh yeah, they are illiterate Chinese Fujian countryside people who nobody gives a fuck about and they are living in a country nobody gives a fuck about either.

            you see what I mean? those kids in France got beaten and they should deal with it themselves instead of being crybabies… Chinese officials children and their parents could use a nice pair of BALLS, like Fujian countryside people have. It’s a beautiful day outside I better take off now.

          • Boris

            I have a friend who’s lived in Beijing for 26 years. He claims he hasn’t lost his temper there in over 20 of them. Knowing him reasonably well I’d say that’s probably true. On the one hand, I look up to him for his unbelievably positive attitude and emotional control. On the other, I do find it kind of inhuman. I like your honesty. I think most foreigners reach a point when they think, ‘I’m not prepared to even try to be a part of this anymore.’ Just because it takes someone longer to reach that point doesn’t automatically make them a better person.

          • Beelzebub

            26 years, the man deserves a medal. He must have stayed out of a severe devotion and love to the place, or sheer bloody minded ness. Your friend reminds me of an old soldier who has slogged through the wars. I hope he went home or travelled elsewhere during some of that time?

          • Boris

            A wife and three half-Irish/half-Chinese kids. He’s an all-round awesome guy, but I think most people would just go stark-raving if they stayed there for that long. From my perspective, China is just getting worse. The old friendliness and naievity is being replaced by cocky arrogance. When I arrived 8 years ago, I imagined I’d stay here forever -it really felt like home. Now I get groups of nouveau riche eyeballing me and yelling ‘fuck you’ who quite probably have been in the city for a shorter time than I have. If my city had stayed the way it was in 2004 I think I could clock up 26 years. Now I’m just desperate to get out. I’ll be seriously sad to leave. There are some great people here. But the f**kers who don’t accept you and don’t want you here are multiplying exponentially.

          • Beelzebub

            You make fair points. I think 26 years in one city would drive me mad, anywhere. I’d agree on the nationalism, sick and tired after being on a train for 34 hours of dealing with and explaining to people that I am not russian such was their thinking. I

          • Beelzebub

            How is your wife from Shaanxi, is she still with you, and where are you now, dear boy, Argentina still? I do hope you are enjoying the big steaks and red wine….one day, one day, I must travel there to enjoy that food culture.

          • Kai

            No one said you’re the only one bringing inflammatory generalizations and I respect the honesty and maturity of acknowledging that’s not an excuse for anything you’ve said.

            I’m not sure how overcoming situations and letting go of gripes sounds selfish and naive, especially when compared to refusing to overcome something and giving vent to grudges you nurse.

            Don’t fall into the trap where disagreement with and criticism of what you write here is conflated into not letting you write here. People can write here for a lot of reasons other than spouting inflammatory generalizations due to a chip on their shoulder.

            I have no idea what you mean by double-standard parade.

            I’m not sure why you accuse me of being a know-it-all when your own comments suggest that you’re a know-it-all as well, when you so confidently and certainly characterize and judge entire groups of people. You criticize others for what you believe they deserve criticism for. I’ve done the same. Calling someone a know-it-all for it just sounds childish.

            I’m not sure why you think your behavior is bucking the majority. MOST people are like you. What I’ve said about not letting emotions dominate rationality is indeed general advice and wisdom, one that many people know, but it’s also what MOST people fail to do MOST of the time. We ASPIRE to being rational but most of us aren’t most of the time.

            I’m not sure how you can say you’re not insulting people with your comments targeting entire groups of people with unfair but scathing generalizations. It’s not as if you don’t know why racist, discriminatory, and derogatory comments offend people. You vocally hate it when its done against you by Chinese people, so why do the same thing but against another target? How can you say you’re not insulting anyone when you profess to being insulted and victimized by the same behavior against you?

            You blame China for being so filled with prejudice. Their prejudice is indeed their fault. But your prejudice is your fault. As I said, we should take responsibility for what we ourselves bring to the table. As you said, everything that happens is a direct reaction of what we decide.

            Puma, dude, just because I’m willing to articulate my disagreements with and criticisms of you doesn’t mean I only want to hear nice things from you and see you smile. I’m just begging you to run some of your emotions through your rational brain before outputting them.

            There’s always a way to argue that something else deserves more attention than something before us. There’s always a way to argue that it isn’t fair that this or that got more attention than this or that. You have Tibetans expressing resentment about any sympathy given to Chinese earthquake victims believing their historical and continued plights is more deserving of attention. We can even argue you need to deal with all your gripes against the Chinese yourself, with a nice pair of balls, and instead spend more of your energy complaining about how there are starving children in Africa. See how that works?

            I’m still not sure why you think the kids in France are being crybabies. What? You think they kidnapped reporters and put a gun to their heads forcing them to make this a story? The angle of this story abroad is that it’s another example of growing resentment against the Chinese. ONE of the angles of this story in China, especially as presented by this NetEase article by virtue of how they changed the headline, is how the identities of the victims can influence reactions to what happened.

            I’m off to watch Man of Steel. Have a good day.

          • Truthspeaker

            “Most foreigners who go to China they all leave(and it’s even a social
            stigmata for us when we’re over there) Foreigners who come to Argentina
            never want to leave.”

            Sounds like bullshit to me. You’re probably hanging around shitty people because you attract them.

          • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

            Wow so much talking about me. Not wrong at all, Though I’ve lots of wonderful things to say about China, I don’t think this is the place to talk about them. Otherwise Chinasmack should give up on controversial matters and change it’s name to “Chinasuckup” or “CCTV 1 at 7pm”.

            No prejudice, man, the word prejudice means you have a judgement prior to facts. In my case it’s the other way around. Chinese people themselves made me feel like that. So I got out of there and came back home, just like they told me to and it was not about meeting a string of pricks, it’s just that I got tired of seeing people who are competing to be all the same. Never looking up, always yielding to authority. I was happy with my decisions then as I am happy now, mostly because I couldn’t take it anymore. slaves, slaves, slaves. went to tian tan, made by slaves. forbidden city, made by slaves. Great wall, slaves. Suzhou gardens, slaves. Government building, slaves. The building I was living in, made by slaves. My workmates, slaves with an iphone.

            Just telling you, my grandpa and my Australian roommate’s dad went around the same time to visit us in China and both left before they were supposed to. All they would do were historical remarks on slavery. They liked the food, though. And I’m talking about men who have earned everything and became rich with their own sweat. That’s the example I follow and Chinese in general just follow their rich with no reason except for material status. Got tired of the shallowness and lack of respect towards women and humanity itself so I took off. I have the power to decide and those who won’t will hate me because that’s all they can do.

            Why would I stay in China? These are some pictures I took from my backyard here in Argentina. had a million reasons to leave, and now my wife and family are happier than ever.

            http://tmblr.co/ZVzKGtn9hVAY

          • maja

            I’ll propose a reason on why “race” takes precedence: it’s because of a disproportionate importance attached to the way people looks, you have to appear rich and/or fabolous, otherwise no sex, no fun, even no job.
            in china being a resident foreigner is linked to the fact of being an organic part of the rich chinese eilite. if you think what I wrote makes sense, go read the chinese comments translated above.

          • Kai

            I understand the reasons. I just don’t consider them logical and rational. Sorry, I understand why the phrase “I’m not sure why…” might suggest I don’t understand. It’s more of an expression of disagreement.

          • maja

            well, I completely share your difficulties. I just think sometimes it’s useful to express the full statement. actually, I believe it’s useful to do it anywhere the circumstances allow for that.

          • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

            No reason to show anyone I’m better than them, mostly when “better” means having something more expensive, or being more submissive or more easily exploited.

            You can take the girl out of the country but you’ll never take the country out of the girl.

          • Kai

            In this case, “better” means not being a hypocrite and victimizing others in a similar way as you claim you were victimized.

          • Probotector

            Both arguments are valid. In El Puma’s case, I think mine was more fitting.

          • guest

            because he is argentines..

          • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

            You’re not all wrong, I must say. I’ve been around the world and only Chinese people could piss me off the way they did. Not germans, not indonesians, not americans, not canadians, not russians, not japanese, not koreans, not brazilians, not even the brits! only the Chinese. And the funny thing abuot it is how chinese are fucking themselves up. Beautiful people who is forgetting their culture and their past so they can pile up in Mcdonalds. So I took my wife with me. Turns out the other day she was worried ’cause people here ask things about Chinese culture and she doesn’t know that much.. she thought it was some boring thing they had to learn at school, and nothing else. See what your country does to people?

            You specifically, are small minded, definitely. and terribly judgmental. Of everything you have said nothing has come out of personal experience. Staying in China was only bad for my health and Chinese people abroad seem to be worse than those within China. The Best Chinese people I’ve met don’t use a computer. That says it all to me, and you never talk from personal experience, which means you have none. no experience at all, only those provided by your parents and teachers. Keep memorizing and repeating, it is surely your way to freedom.

            Probotector is right, you don’t hear what you want to hear so you call me an asshole.

          • Monkeekong

            Aw see? I call you an asshole so now you’re going to get all reasonable on me to prove you’re not an asshole. That’s what you’re doing. But that’s not going to erase all your previous assholish slightly racist judgemental posts. You even try to accuse me of upvoting myself, why? And it’s because i go to china frequently i find myself qualified to even comment on your posts. I can understand where a lot of your frustrations come from. I really don’t enjoy being in China, either.

          • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

            So you were being such a sweet Chinese dissident all along? aaawwww how cute ! you should learn other words besides “asshole”.

          • Monkeekong

            see? now you’re being unreasonable again. guess calling you an asshole really rubbed you the wrong way…

          • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

            funny how the people who upvote you are all guests.

            ipconfig /flushdns
            ipconfig /renew

          • mr.wiener

            Using foul language just makes you a chicken.

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            I know what you mean…i also feel that the Chinese are the most chauvinistic/insecure people i’ve met and that’s the worst combination possible. But i assume you get this feeling because they are so many people so you end up meeting more pricks that you can handle and are also constantly bothered by the general lack of basic understanding of the world Chinese people have (like “你们老外是不是天天吃汉堡堡吗?sound familiar?) and i must admit it does really REALLY start being annoying after 9 years of China but i try to understand that this is more due to poor education than Chinese people culturally being like that. I mean, i met a lot of very well educated people, artists especially and they are great people and good fun. But indeed, if you are just interested in having a nice night out and chat with a few interesting people then you are way more likely to encounter the “friendly prejudiced” type Chinese. You need to start targeting the right locations to find the right kind of people, and Chinese style bars are not the ideal choice.

          • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

            lol thanks man, I stopped going to bars like 2 years before I left China, right when I moved to a smaller city. I found lots of very nice people but it seems they just couldn’t make me feel better for those I met in the city.

          • maja

            makes sense, if you want to have a good time in china you should not mix up with chinese people. I confess I can’t really have a good time enclosing myself with “the right ones”.

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            Just yesterday evening i was having a walk with a girl..after that we went to meet a friend of hers on the rooftop garden of a hotel, a nice place but will never go there again: Her friend is quite educated, i don’t think i would be interested in hanging out with him but the 2 other guys who were there (one being the boss of the place) were just arrogant chauvinistic retards.. I figured the boss out in half a second when he welcomed me with a “HALOOOO” and from there it was “Tchai-Na Numba 1″, “You are 我们的法国朋友!法国是中国的朋友!”; ” what do you think about the rise of China and the feeaaaaar it creates in your foreign land” , “China is like this, you foreigners are like that”, “Japan, Japan, Japan, Tchai-Na Numba 1″ and of course a Chinese specialty “No, no, no Chinese people love to speak on friendly terms with foreigner” Obviously since all the topics that night were clichés and total crap just aimed at comparing China to what they believed the world is with the purpose of making themselves feel better! The Chinese girl who brought me there felt so sorry, still it was quite funny. It’s funny because i haven’t hanged out with Chinese guys for THIS REASON for a very long time, and just as i started to think maybe i should make an effort to get back into the Chinese world again, i fall on these retards. My instincts told me i should not go when the girl described the people “business men” (farmers) but still i went and wasted a good hour of my time listening to total crap.

          • Boris

            Sorry for your experience. I relate. The number of these pricks is increasing at a frightening speed, and it’s becoming harder to avoid them. My advice: go to Japan or Korea.

          • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

            Better yet: Taiwan

          • Boris

            I’m packing my bags.

          • maja

            did you have any recent experiences in Taiwan?

          • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

            I spent all summer there last summer. Saw most of the island. The best parts were Taipingshan and Alishan (you can see some of my shots from there if you view my 500px page which is linked through my ID here), and especially Lanyu Island, except for being terribly sick while I was there and hospitalized for a day when I got back to Taipei. Taiwan is really nice.

          • maja

            the pictures are very nice, I plan to move to Taizhong so I’ll be living in a somewhat big city, how are public parks in Taiwanese cities?

          • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

            They’re good. I didn’t spend a lot of time in the city parks but protection of nature is given a relatively high value in Taiwan, which is always a good thing.

          • maja

            the scary thing is those are the guys pumping up the arts market.
            on a side note, I’m starting to understand the local cult for horror movies…

        • ..

          88 is a cesspit, but I’ve never heard of gangs of Chinese jumping foreigners outside of it. Scary.

          Kind of shows how important it is to travel with groups when you’re in China.

          • Germandude

            Anybody that goes into Bar 88 deserves a beating in the first place…

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            Ah your exaggerating a bit there sir! Sure if you try and pick up girls in an environment not really suitable for it like Chinese style bars like 88, pheeby etc you expose yourself to some risk of find frustrated insecure pricks.. If you go to a Chinese bar were some ugly dick pays everything on the table, he just hates it (stupidly but understandably) when some random white guy walks in. You’re ruining his party!

            This reminds me of that group of Chinese guys trying to invite a group of Chinese looking HK and UK girls, they were giving them drinks at first then trying to invite them at their table. One guys attempted several times that evening to get the girls to join them, the expression of total incomprehension and contempt in his increasingly drunken face as they declined over and over again. It was hilarious. And obviously they were eyeballing my Irish friend and myself in a mean way cause we got friendly with the whole group just after jumping in their group photo.

        • Mighty

          Hm.. Frenchy’s girlfriend must have been a Chinese girl.

          • Boris

            Don’t know why someone downvoted you. The more beautiful the girl I’m with, the more verbal abuse I’ll receive from Chinese strangers.

          • Boris

            Who downvoted me? Show yourself, vermin! Platypus! What exactly do you take issue with?

          • Mighty

            It was a valid point I made. The report didn’t reference the girlfriend’s ethnicity but I’m sure she was Chinese and that prompted the sexless local boys into a jealous rage.

            Regardless of what it’s about, someone’s going around down-voting my comments as if that affect me in some way.

        • Gordon Gogodancer

          I have a story a little bit similar…a French friend of mine (a nerd, so not the type to start provoking people) picked up girl in a bar in Chengdu. That girl was actually in a group of Chinese. After eyeing each other for a short while the girl left her table in front of her friends and picked up my friend..they left the bar. I don’t know why but like to think that the guys were just talking shit about foreigners as they often seem to do to make themselves feel better, so that girl probably got fed up with it and left with the French guy. As they were getting in the taxi one of the chinese guy kicked my friend in the back (he complained about pain for the next too weeks) so he turned around and got in the fight with the guy. Thankfully for him, the Chinese guy, except the flying kick traitor attack in the back, was not much of a fighter so he managed to get him to fuck off…then left with girl. (who happened to be ugly). I used to hang out in “Chinese style bars” when i first started exploring China, but soon realized they are full of these prejudiced cunts (i know there are even more who are perfectly nice) so know i just don’t go to this type of bar.

          • Kai

            If we’re thinking about the same “Chinese style bars”, yeah, it can definitely be territorial, kinda like how in the States there are some bars and nightclubs that are predominantly of one ethnicity and can sometimes be somewhat intimidating and dicey for other ethnicities.

            In my experience though, Westerners generally don’t like Chinese-style bars or clubs because they’re usually about table-service and bringing your own group of people or hiring hostesses rather than open mingling. Because of that convention, people who approach their table and talk to their girls (especially if they’re hired hostesses) are seen as intruding and being rude, stepping on other people’s toes. It’s a different sort of scene. I’ve known people who have gotten themselves in trouble simply because they don’t know that, or they’re drunk and refuse to believe they should be considerate of it.

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            Absolutely. I used to go to Chinese Clubs when i was still new to China as i just assumed that’s how all bars were.
            In the case i mentioned though, it happened in Lan Kwai Fang, not the original in HK but the bar area in Chengdu (which looks nothing like the original but just Chinese style somewhat a little more high-end) and a few of these bars are trying to promote themselves to foreigners (or as i like to pessimistically think: use foreigners to make themselves look international and attract more Chinese people) So my friend was in an environment were the bar welcomed him. Well having a girl leave her group of friends to shag you is warm welcome indeed.

          • Kai

            Maybe Peter can chime in since Chengdu is his hometown. I’m not familiar with the club but just sharing my observations and experiences. I’ve seen enough ignorant blind resentment against foreigners when it involves local women by locals to know what happened to your friend could entirely be the hissy fit of an insecure male. Without personally witnessing the entire thing, I can’t judge, but just expound on the educated possibilities.

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            I haven’t personally witnessed the scene either, but i’m pretty sure it is precisely as you describe it

      • SuperHappyCow

        Links?

  • YourSupremeCommander

    The people who eat giant snails….

  • Karze

    May be they behave like the spoilt children of communist officials who are used to all kinds of misbehaviours.

  • Karze

    How does Chinese behave in Tibet. They oppress and torture Tibetan like their slaves.

    • mr.wiener

      So you are saying being beaten up by drunken Frenchmen is Karmaic retribution, that balance has been restored to the cosmos?
      woohoo.

    • lonetrey / Dan

      Why, yes, one can certainly say that. Karmic retribution is something that makes sense in this specific situation.

      I mean, it makes sense for people to hate on native-born Chinese people.
      They’re horrible people, because their politics proves that they were horrible people. Haven’t we all been reading ChinaSmack for years now?
      These Chinese politicians act like children, and their children ARE children, so therefore they are as corrupt as their politician parents. Beating the shit out of them in France can teach those people 9001 miles away a lesson for all that asshole behavior they’ve committed over the years.

      .

      .

      Oh wait, NO. That makes no sense and is complete bullshit.

      • KAMIKAZIPILOT

        Whew, for a moment there I thought you were just as nutty as the troll poster who keeps posting the same bullshit over and over again because he wants attention and has nothing intelligent to say.
        With his logic you can justify beating/killing anyone in the world because of what someone of their race did eons ago.

        • Kai

          I can understand the resentment of the sense of “mission” that many Free Tibeters have, but I think there’s a time and place to be relevant versus a time and place where you’re just pettily shoving your politics into an unrelated conversation.

  • Paneraman

    I’d blame the chinese for opening the door. There’s a reason why doors have a ‘peep-hole’..

    • Kai

      Maybe he saw his neighbors and didn’t think they were about to jump him and his friends?

      • maja

        the article says the attackers are known as troublemakers by the community. the students probably didn’t realize the eventuality of being attacked out of nothing in a small rural french village. I grew up in what I imagine is very a similar place and I wouldn’t expect it either.
        looking how the discussion is derailing I would say the reports are not accurate enough to understand the situation.

        so my take is: those dudes are a bunch of psychos who can’t afford anymore to rent the rugby field in the weekend. I wish the whole community will school them with endless lifelong mockery.

  • dave

    I love this site! how they add the chinese comments first. Fu#kin idiots who are commenting. The majority chinese comments are praising the attacks.that the students must be government workers children as there the ony ones who can pay the tuition and its good they have hurt. . But its the government officials and control of media that puts the b.s. of one world one country one voice into there heads. Fu@k china

    • YourSupremeCommander

      No, CHINA fucks you first. LMAO.

    • KAMIKAZIPILOT

      Yeah China’s a fucked up place to be Chinese unless you’re filty rich that’s for sure. No wonder so many of them want to emmigrate. And so many of them say they are nationalistic and so very proud of their heritage, race and country. I call bullshit on that. Nationalists of all kinds are insecure little retards who’s biggest accomplishment in life is being born with a certain skin color. Chinese society reminds me of crabs in a bucket all killing each other instead of working together to climb out of the bucket.

  • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

    “Radio France on the 15th claimed that in the past few months,
    multiple robberies and attacks targeting Chinese citizens have occurred,
    arousing discussion amongst Chinese nationals.”

    HELLOOOOOOOOOO you just can’t go to France to buy expensive handbags and jewelry and show off expecting to be treated as kings, just like in china. Welcome to the real world. In the west we don’t like snitches and show-offs.

    On the matter itself.. if these kids would have just ASKED those guys to stop being so loud, things would have been different. But no, they called the police, and that means revenge over the snitch. Basic western logic.

    now WTF with chinese being against people who want to have a beer outside and have a few laughs? like truly.. when I was in China I didn’t call the police to complain of all the noise, dirt and smoke.

    • reg

      i guess the “if you dont like it then go away” goes both ways

      chinese shouldn’t try to change other countries and other countries shouldn’t try to change china, and people should clean their own porch before criticising others

      • Probotector

        But Chinese people do criticise the west when they’re over there.

        • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

          and whine a lot about it, making it public. fortunately for the laowai who live in China, we have the other laowai, and Chinasmack. :)

        • SuperHappyCow

          which is something westerners dont do in china thankfully

          • Probotector

            Right

          • SuperHappyCow

            http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/1026992/arnold-right-wrong-o.gif

            - 100 points for anyone that dares get my terrible references.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            ROTFL, that was hilarious. You must’ve watched Commando a lot or else you have a really good memory.

          • Probotector

            It’s called sarcasm. This Chinese douche basically says ‘when in Rome…’ but doesn’t realise that Chinese people are equally guilty of criticising other nations when they travel to them. As for your comment it is accurate, but irrelevant.

    • PeeOnPuma

      OMG!!!

      How could anyone with a brain not be offended by that crap you wrote!

      Chinese people making holidays in France and buying handbags are not expecting to be treated like kings but they also shouldnt have to expect to be getting robbed or worse (as anyone else shouldnt, for that matter).

      Some drunken low-lifes disturb their whole neigborhood and then beat the guys up who reported them (or correctly they “suspected” to reported them). Probably there were also familys with children and the guys just reported them, because they had to get up early the next day, contrary to people who most likely depend on social-security and can therefore drink and party all night.

      What a classy low-life you yourself must be, to not only defend them, but in your little, pathetic “wannabe-Gangster” world praise them for beeing such crooks.

      At last a word to the wise, also I dont think it would be of any benefit for you:
      People who beat someone up, just because they were reported to the police while doing something wrong, most probably give a s**t, if you ask them very sweat and nice, if they could be so noble to stop, whatever they are doing!

      • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

        That your name now? peeonpuma? kudos for your creativity. You must be Jin, or Scottloar, maybe some another troll who takes these matters personally.

        Talking from my own experience, Chinese in general are the worst when it comes to take the matter in their own hands, also when it comes to be sincere. I got tired of seeing the rich guy stomping on the poor guy. Wealth gap is too big in China and rich kids take those habits with themselves when they go abroad.

        Lowlife, wannabe gangster, call me whatever you want. I’ve me a whole lot of what you call “gangsters” and they’ve been better people than anyone I’ve met who sits on a cubicle every day, or wears a suit to go to work. They didn’t have a choice… but we do, and you’ve chosen to be a selfish fuck who doesn’t know what he’s (she’s?) talking about.

        the whole neighborhood didn’t call the police. And you don’t know who those drunks were, neither you know if they were on welfare, or anything else.

        You don’t know anything. Keep trolling under your new innovative name.

        • PeeOnPuma

          Im sorry if my name offended you. I thought someone who is putting out bs at the rate you do, wouldnt mind.

          At least we can agree, that you wholly deserve to be called a low-life or wannabe gangster. And of course you are proud of it, because these people are all better than those nasty capitalists in suits, who are all really nasty. How romantic of an sentiment. You are a somewhat trashy Robin Hood, arent you? Really sweet!
          So I dont want to go psychoanalytical, but if you want to talk about what those nasty rich and spoiled kids have done to you, you know I would lend you an ear. Did they call you names? Didnt they want to play with you? Poor boy you, maybe one day you get over it.
          Or maybe not, judged on the hatred you harbor for Chinese people, there must have been something really traumatic happend to you.
          I guess writing these stuff relevies you somehow. So keep going, we know we dont have to take it at face value.

          But back on-topic:
          We still dont know, who called the police, but we know, that neighbors thought, they were looking for trouble.
          I think the neighbors, based on experience, just judged them for what they were and avoided any confrontation. It was just unlucky that the chinese didnt know, what kind of breed in Europe runs free.

          • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

            I’ve attended private schools and universities all my life and I saw the worst people are usually the ones with most resources. Rich kids and Chinese people might have done to me whatever other people might have done to you to make you take a stranger’s opinion (mine) at such personal level. I couldn’t care less about you nor your fake psychoanalytical descriptions. You’re a fake , so I’ll automatically admit you’re Chinese.. and a troll of course.

            Scottloar or Jin? which one? At least you should maintain your name, otherwise you’re too afraid of losing face, which means you are weak. truly. I bet you wouldn’t even dare to look at me in the eye.

            Now back on topic:

            Correction, what kind of breed in this world runs free.

            ooohhh rich official’s daughter got assaulted. How bad. These laowai should treat your rich better !
            Tough cookie man! people get assaulted everyday!
            that’s it !
            if you want to cry go to a funeral.

          • Probotector

            Why do you try to psychoanalyse someone you don’t even know, based on a few words written on the internet? How can you even make such assertions? Does it makes you feel better, and somehow important, to label someone as dumb or crazy in order to dismiss any charge of why your opinions are wrong? Why should anyone even care what you think? As a Chinese, you are likely grossly uneducated and ignorant of the world. Tell me, have you even been to France? Can you even point to it on a map?

          • SuperHappyCow

            You’re the mother fucker that was saying “A taste of their own Medicine” up there.

            Jesus, the hypocrisy. Who the fuck are you? Newt Gingrich?

          • Probotector

            How am I being hypocritical?

          • SuperHappyCow

            Because you’re a critical hippo.

            Boom?

          • Guest

            One day you’re going to realize that my wishing that you would actually be killed in real life is for totally legitimate reasons.

          • Kai

            I’m sad that what started off as very rational points was marred by childish username trolling (and then conflating completely irrelevant personal attacks). Some of you people who do this have completely reasonable disagreements so I don’t understand why you can’t just say it without resorting to petty tactics. If you wanted to embarrass someone for an opinion they hold, you’re more likely to succeed when you yourself appear to be a mature rational adult.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            I agree with you that PeeonPuma is an obviously troll username but you have to admit it’s pretty funny, right, Kai?

          • Kai

            I can laugh at a good take down, like when I feel someone was really asking for it, but no, the name itself “pee on puma” isn’t really that funny to me. I thought the argument started off well, because El Puma R’s comment had so many holes and obvious logic problems with it, but then it got sidetracked by irrelevant personal attacks that may be true but don’t prove why the other person is wrong for this specific instance.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            Okay to each his own. I didn’t read their whole discussion but personal attacks shouldn’t be tolerated, at least when used excessively.

        • guest

          fuck rich argentino…

    • SuperHappyCow

      Who would upvote this shit?

    • KAMIKAZIPILOT

      Kind of like blaming the victim aren’t we. First off we don’t know that all of these robberies and assaults happened because Chinese were showing off their wealth. It could very well be the perception that Chinese as a whole are easier to victimize and carry larger amounts of cash on them. It could also be pure racism towards chinese.

      Revenge over snitching being basic western logic? Is that some kind of joke? Only thugs believe in the “snitches get stitches” mentality. Maybe you’re one of them. Besides if they were that drunk I doubt they would have listened to a few chinese students telling them to quiet down.

      • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

        I understand and appreciate your logic, you’ve said it in a better way that I did. Chinese pamper they rich, both domestic and living abroad. Just a bunch of crybabies. Would you be scared of 3 drunk fucks in the street? I wouldn’t and even if they are drunk I wouldn’t be less polite to them. Look at the facts, the police came, asked those guys to shut up and left. Did they try to beat the police? no… did the police take them away? no… so how dangerous were they, really? Remember we’ve only heard one side of the story and Chinese can victimize themselves with great ease. And they love to be right, always right. snitches get stitches? they might as well do if they snitch on the wrong guy. I ain’t no thug nor anything closer to it.

        Something I saw on China that bothered me a lot is how many people rather tell on you or stab you in the back better than being sincere and say things straight to your face. And they do it daily. As I am from the West all I can say that’s an unacceptable and despicable habit. End even worse, something that really pissed me off when I was there was the little sense of community and neighborhood they have. Fucking selfish cunts.

        I’ll say it again. When I was in China I never called the police to complain about the honking, spitting, vomiting, coughing in my neck when I was on the bus, smoke and noise I saw every second while I was living over there.

        • KAMIKAZIPILOT

          Afraid of 3 drunk fucks in the street? Probably not but what does that have to do with this situation? You’re viewing the incident based on you living in China and what they do there. Being from the West you must know it’s somewhat normal for people to get upset and sometimes call the cops after a loud disturbance in a residential neighborhood. You can’t say that just because you don’t call the cops in China for things that bother you and apply the same logic to France. In China it’s not normal to get the cops involved, in the West it is somewhat more acceptable.

          Agree with you on Chinese pampering the rich, the backstabbing after smiling to your face, the victimization mentality, and selfishness but you’re taking your displeasure on these matters and applying it to this case in France. I know Chinese have many faults, but in this particular case there’s no way you can blame the chinese students who were attacked. Calling the police for a noise disturbance (if the students did call) is no justification for an assault.

          • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

            No it’s not, you’re right. I upvoted you.

          • Probotector

            People don’t get the cops involved in China because they won’t do their job.

        • guest

          No wonder argentina is so backward…

          • Probotector

            Compared to China?

          • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

            yeah bro, as backwards as you want, but if you could come here you will see there’s no spitting neither outside nor inside, no dodging vomit in the streets, people cover their mouths when they cough, no pushing when getting on the bus, almost no honking at all, no ripping off the foreigners (except some particular cases), contracts are legal and effective and workers have actual rights and social security, we have a constitution, fucking awesome food quality, girls who are beautiful without make up, fucking fantastic clean air and water, driving tests, streetlights are respected, and women too! wild animals.. in the wild! BIRDS, we’ve got fucking birds, man. And a whole other bunch of things you could never imagine, things that I missed a lot when I was in China.

            oh and people have toilets here, no need to shit next to nobody. Yes, very backwards. When we had planes you were eating your own shit. If you could only know the potential China is wasting away.

        • Probotector

          Yeah, the telling on you is a common occurrence here. It’s a combination of cowardice, an the desire to unequivocally make sure you get the person in trouble. It’s especially common if there’s a foreigner involved.

          • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

            you’ve said it better than anyone else.

  • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

    I hope the tiger wakes up before they kill it to make traditional Chinese medicine that doesn’t work.

  • Godlmember

    Things like this happen everywhere in every countries with any kind of people, very bad for these students but France is safe. Once again too bad for these students but people die every day of illness, war, starving and we don’t care that much or we don’t speak about it that much….

    • Zappa Frank

      that’s the point. i’m quite sure we’re talking about this just because she is a mayor’s daugheter. Or is she the first chinese student abroad to be beaten up?

      • Kai

        The initial reporting was more about the racial nature of the attack and probably the notion of a guy throwing a glass bottle at a girl’s face. Then when Chinese netizens started expressing prejudice against those overseas as likely being of the corrupt, the Western reporting began focusing on the reason for this prejudice and the Chinese reporting became the above juxtaposition between people who think the prejudicial reactions are going too far and those who think their prejudices are justified.

        It’s sometimes hard to say why certain cases get people talking and others while others don’t. There are too many factors, and the intrinsic details of the case itself don’t always determine how much attention it gets. I think part of the reason why this case got more attention is because it came on the heels of the Chinese tour group being robbed after landing in Paris story, so there’s a bit more attention on this sort of thing at the moment.

  • Relax

    I’m not xenophobic, I’m just doing this….

    • Marcus Black

      normally people who say “i am not xenophobic” or “i am not racist, i have *insert color* friends” are usually the most xenophobic of all. asian eyes are cute. all i have to do is look deeply into an asian girl’s eyes to be at peace(if i was pssed off). i think they should be proud of it.

      • SuperHappyCow

        You’re kinda super creepy.

        • Marcus Black

          explain.

    • Monkeekong

      goddamn your teeth are yellower than my skin

      • Probotector

        Goddamn, your skin is yellower than my piss.

        • mr.wiener

          Drink more water, particularly in summer. Your kidneys will love you for it.

        • Monkeekong

          your skin is whiter than smegma from a zit and your face is probably uglier than this disgusting bitch above me

          • Probotector

            Relax it was only a joke. Anyway, why do you assume am white? Are only white’s now capable of racial degradation?

          • Monkeekong

            i am relaxed, and no i have been racially discriminated by whites in America a lot of time, but also by hispanics, african americans, pretty much every race but I learned how to deal with it. And I can’t say it doesn’t bother me when it happens but what does letting it bother you do? Learn how to get along with everyone, that’s what matters.

        • SuperHappyCow

          Why are you such an overall bad person?

          • Probotector

            Why do you defend asians so much when they hate you?

          • SuperHappyCow

            I’m not exactly defending them. I’m just pointing out that you’re a bad person. Your being a bad person is independent of whether or not Asians hate me.

          • Probotector

            You are often defending the Chinese against any Western criticism, even deserved criticism. I guess because you’re a liberal and/or because you believe that blaming the West for everything is popular and you want to be popular too. You say I’m a bad person, and you’re what? Saintly? Wishing death upon anyone who doesn’t agree with you?

          • SuperHappyCow

            So if his skin were, in fact, yellower than your piss, that would be a “deserved criticism?”

            What the fuck is wrong with you? Whenever I ask you that I’m completely serious. It’s not reflexive typing. There’s just no other way to describe my mild sentiment towards you besides astonishment at how absurd you are.

          • Probotector

            It was only a joke; only someone as insecure as you would take it so personally. Even Monkeekong got over it. See how my words cut you so deeply, and they’re not even directed at you. My advice to you; learn some humility, grow up, and realise the world is not going to be catered to protect your personal sensitivities.

          • SuperHappyCow

            I’m not hurt. : (

            You really have a problem.

      • SuperHappyCow

        Do people still make yellow teeth jokes? :( Thought that died in the 90′s.

        • Monkeekong

          no i just wanted to let that ugly girl above me know how disgusting, fat, ugly, stupid and vulgar looking she is so maybe she’ll try to be a little prettier on the inside at least.

          • mukanis

            But it’s true that Asians have that kind of eyes. Even though she’s not amusing a lot of people, the eyes are undeniably true.

          • Monkeekong

            lol you are a happy little troll

          • mukanis

            Not as little as your eyes lol

          • Monkeekong

            yep…

          • mukanis

            You see, there’s nothing wrong with having Asian eyes. You can say: I’m proud of my eyes jealous fuckers, that’s why we’re friggin smart because we can focus.

  • SuperHappyCow

    The attackers deserve a good shanking.

    • Boris

      Typo? Thanking?

  • don

    i aint even mad. muslims are gonna be taking over europe in a decade or so anyway

  • KAMIKAZIPILOT

    So these chinese students just opened the door in the middle of the night? Didn’t they even stop to think that might not be a good idea? I swear so many chinese have absolutely zero street smarts.

    I also like the fact that we can now see who upvotes our comments.

    • Kai

      Without knowing their history with their neighbor, I’d probably open my door for someone I recognized as my neighbor in the middle of the night if I didn’t have any reason to suspect they were about to jump my ass for no reason. It might be stupid if they looked through the peephole and saw the neighbors revving up chainsaws with the devil in their eyes but…

      • KAMIKAZIPILOT

        Yeah we don’t know the history with their neighbors but if it’s true that the neighbors were yelling racist names during the attack, even while drunk, I’d assume they weren’t on very friendly terms with their neighbors, but I could be wrong. I probably wouldn’t open my door for my neighbor late at night unless I knew them well. We can always talk through the door. Judging by the story the neighbors were really drunk, which most people would have picked up on but for some reason the students opened the door anyway. Anyways, I’m not blaming the students, just saying that when you go to a new country, you need to at least try to be a little more careful.

        • Kai

          Not sure I’d be willing to assume they weren’t on friendly terms based on what subsequently happened. We’d like to think that because they beat them up and made racist epithets, they were like that before in their interactions, but maybe they weren’t, or maybe the Chinese students gave them the benefit of the doubt?

          I personally don’t assume drunk people are belligerent people but hard to say. We don’t have enough information to make a reasonably informed judgement about whether or not the guy opened the door foolishly. All we know is that the town’s mayor seemed to think the students were “integrated” with the town just fine. The fact that they opened the door suggests they didn’t remotely expect this to happen. In a way, that speaks to how highly they regarded public safety in France.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            Fair enough, none of us were there so we don’t know exactly what their relations were like. Also people can change their behavior based on the situation.

            I don’t assume drunk people are belligerent but I still wouldn’t open my door to them late at night, just a personal decision. You’re right we don’t have enough information to say for sure if the guy was foolish or not in opening the door. I just based my argument on what I perceive to be a lack of awareness among Chinese immigrants/visitors regarding street crime (I know this wasn’t exactly street crime) in Western countries. I mean they usually don’t even know what a rough neighborhood is since in China a rough neighborhood usually means to watch out for pickpockets and drug users and maybe homeless people.

  • Eileithyia

    read the Chinese responses. it looks like they are happy too see those rich/government officials’ kids get attacked.

  • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

    I apologize for the trolling earlier but the whole fucking thing doesn’t mean squat. People get beat up all the time and nobody talks about it. Fuck them rich Chinese kids and fuck French drunks too I don’t live there I don’t know them. Maybe the beating teaches them a lesson.

    This story is unilateral therefore it’s just more Chinese whining about the world not being like China. But they won’t talk about the french guy who got beaten by a gang in Shanghai.. no… too much losing face. China is Heaven on earth. Go back to work. Must look more handsome. Why don’t you have an iphone? are you poor?

    • Guest

      that’s an apology? LMAO

    • Kai

      Wait, are you coming out and saying you’ve been trolling?

      • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

        why not? I am not Chinese, I see and accept my flaws and even more I can be open about it.

        • Kai

          Because you know trolling is against our comment policy. I suspect you don’t quite understand what “trolling” means. Are you intentionally posting inflammatory remarks in order to elicit negative emotional responses just for fun?

          I think whether you can see and accept your flaws is open for debate. As for the Chinese as a whole, I personally believe they see, accept, and can openly demonstrate both all the time, especially when you’re not being an ass about it to them, which is more or less just like everyone else in this world. You let “Chinese” people have too much power over you, man.

          • al in china

            Retard

  • Dave

    “The new peasantry that is both lazy and poor would love nothing
    better than to see the people who have lives better than theirs all die,
    their thousands of years of bad habits continuing to this day. Stop
    thinking about struggling against local tyrants, reaping without sowing,
    dividing up other people’s property.

    Those who are government officials used to be peasants too. Many
    peasants through their own hard work became officials, businessmen,
    celebrities… while the families of the new peasantry forever orbit
    around peasantry—peasantry—peasantry… It’s been ages and still they
    haven’t changed. The old ones in their villages cursing, while the young
    ones spitting online. This is the so-called reincarnation of the new
    rural loser.”

    A Chinese Republican? Peasants should pull themselves up by their bootstraps! They deserve no help from rulers!

    Isn’t that awfully “rightist?”

    • Boris

      ‘Many peasants through their own hard work became…celebrities.’ How? Through juggling turnips?

  • Dave

    So, uh, does the Chinese Internet have an opinion about Snowden yet?

    • Probotector

      What’s that, some kind of mountain?

    • SuperHappyCow

      Where are the Snowdens of yesteryear?

      *crickets*

      • bprichard

        Up vote for you. Catch 22 is one hell of a book.

        • SuperHappyCow

          Yeah, I need to re-read it soon.

  • Germandude

    The sleeping tiger awakes and adds dishes to his dinner as you can read by yourself in the comments. That’s revolution, China style 2013©

  • The 18th Parrallel

    Excellent news. Now the Chinese know how it feels to be TIbetan.

    • mr.wiener

      I think the Chinese already know how it feels to be Tibetan. Their country is occupied by the Chinese army and secret police also.

  • Chinaprat

    50 years from now, Western countries will be closed off to the world and suffer from great economical misery while China will be thriving and preying upon the week.

    • Germandude

      Is that what your government is telling you? Your government is preying on the weak all week already. Ask your co-worker if you didn’t figure out by yourself yet. Don’t worry though: the stupid will die happily.

  • SOP

    What did America even have to do with this, already calling people 美狗, what a bunch of inferiority complex, America obsessed douchebags.

    • Kai

      It’s kinda a thing within the NetEase community. There are the people who are accused of being wumao and the people who are accused of being meigou. Think of it as two notable factions. NetEase, in my personal opinion, often comes across as being pretty “liberal”. Probably demographics.

  • Bart

    I’m worried about my Chinese friends in France, I see more and more aggression towards the Chinese people.
    I’m french and I’m ashamed, but I mean that most assaults are committed by africans and arabians people and specially in Paris.
    These bastards rob money, smartphone,fight…
    Don’t believe that Paris and France are romantic,that’s a huge mistake.
    I would tell you to always pay attention to you my Chinese friends.

  • Jahar

    If I’m angry enough at someone, I’ll say whatever I can to anger/upset/hurt them. Does hurling racial slurs when you are angry at someone at that race make you a racist? If I cal my fat sister a big fat fatty fatass whale , does that mean I hate fat people?

  • Californiaz

    It was never 100% Mexican. There were the natives that the Mexicans stole from, the American settlers the Mexican government PAID to come to settle there, etc.

    And only 5,000 Mexican families lived in Alta California. 8,000 in Texas. You do the math, thats hardly any people.

    The border never “hopped” anyone, they hopped the border.

    • europhobic

      Your counter-argument is retarded. There were 4.6 times fewer people in the world. So by that logic 23000 and 36800 families, making up more than 100 000 people – not insignificant.
      Mexicans should have a birthright to settle in the US, they are certainly entitled to it.

      You don’t seem to grasp that the Mexicans are the descendants on the natives, simply mixed.
      High school education in the US seems to be 3rd world quality, oh wait no, 3rd world education is much better.

      I’m a white European, so it’s no use to call me a Mexican.

      • Pickle

        Strange user name you picked. Well if the euros want the west to have lots of 3rd world immigration, why not let the Mexicans go to your country then?

        • europhobic

          Exactly, why not? I think we should have more liberal immigration laws.

          Historically scandinavia has always been quite liberal in that there haven’t been any paranoid xenophobic fears.

          Just so you know, there are lots of migrants in Spain and Portugal from south and central America.

          Most Mexicans can’t/won’t go as far as Europe, with good reasons. For the same reasons Egyptians move to EU and not the US.

    • SuperHappyCow

      Natives that the Spaniards stole from.

      You don’t know anything about American history, do you. Do you think having a desaturated photo of a white dude from the 50′s as your avatar makes your pedantic points any less ridiculous?

      • europhobic

        Spaniards were the first ones. English, Italians, Dutch followed fairly quickly so aren’t that innocent in it.

        • Zappa Frank

          that’s ridiculus.. Anytime in history who ever had the power of conquer did it. There’s no use in blame europeans, if others had the power to conquer europe they would have done, like mongols..europeans were nor better nor worst than anyother

          • europhobic

            I agree. Europe has done a lot of conquering yet has been conquered too – the moors, the mongols, the turks…surrounded from every on-land direction.
            My issue is with white Americans mistreating Natives (also Mexicans), imagine if the Turks in Germany made their own country and forced the Germans into Austria/Switzerland (which is actually happening) and then made everything possible to keep them out.

  • Saisyet

    Do we even know if the attackers are native French? They could have been North Africans.

    • Chris Granzow XI

      Exactly.

    • SuperHappyCow

      It’s weird. Every single time something bad happens in France I hear that it’s North Africans. Why is that?

      • 5,000 years of uncivilization

        Probably experience.

    • 5,000 years of uncivilization

      Long before moving to Grenoble in 2009 and Lyon in 2010, my French teacher talked about how much she hated the Arabs in France. Upon arriving in France, i heard from most Chinese how much they also dislike the Arabs. Later, i found out why they all hate the Arabs so much… nearly every time i went for a walk, i ran into a group of sports clothes-wearing thugs who just hung around on the streets, talked loud, insulted me for no reason and even threw rocks at me one time. I love France but after living there, i realized why no one likes the Arabs. Education is supposed to be the answer for this racist problem but even some of the Arabs at the university were assholes.

  • Chris Granzow XI

    There have been the shootings of Jews in Toulouse and numerous other incidents (like Kemi Seba and his followers) against Jews that are perpetrated by Muslim immigrants mostly from Morocco and Algeria. Then, Jewish leaders and media outlets (around the world) get up and condemn the “rise of the far right and extremism in Europe.” lmao. Please. These are immigrants let into the country by left-wing liberals and who vote for socialists like Hollande. The French media, and liberals in general, are all so quick to blame everything on the native white French. It creates this illusion of a vast xenophobic populous who needs “re-educating.” It validates their need to exist as liberals. Plus, local residents claim, “They were probably looking to cause trouble with anyone” and that they thought the Chinese called the police on them. So let’s slow down before we declare that Vichy France is making a comeback.

  • al in china

    That’s because Chinese tourists are dicks. They distroy historical landmarks, abuse animals, spit like pigs, shit on the metro and the whole world is sick of you and your new money but no manners. I am sorry to hear that these students were attacked because no one should be violently attacked. However, Chinese have a bad reputation allover the world because of the shear number of arrogant no minds that live in China. I hope they caught the thugs that did this and that they go to jail but this will continue to happen to innocent Chinese until the Country becomes civilized.

  • KptN’

    It’s because Chinese people are careless abroad: They always have a lot of cash, they don’t pay enought attention to their bags and they are still walking in the streets at night… As a french I know that usually there are groups of shitty people walking around at night searching for a “prey”. I know that it’s not normal but it’s like that and you have to deal with it (It’s like that in almost every country in the world).

    PS: I don’t say that for scaring tourists, I am just saying that they should take care of their behavior because abroad things don’t go the same way than in your country.

  • Mingtb

    Chinese have a bad reputation in many countries and, as a result, many people don’t like them.

    This is no excuse to physically attack Chinese, but no one hears of Japanese being attack except in China. If Japanese are attacked overseas, it’s because they were mistaken for Chinese.

    There’s a lesson here.

    • fck

      a phillipino guy was assaluted in Australia with mistaken for japanese a few years ago.

  • garbo

    What day if the week was it? Was it a weekend night? Couldn’t they just close their window? Chinese tourists are so loud it’s kind of hypocritical for them to complains about someone else’s noise. I fill bad they were attacked but really.

  • Magnus

    I’m an American expat here in China with perhaps a different opinion about this. I agree with both sides to some degree. Yes it is true that you are born innocent and that you should be treated well if you are a good person despite how good or bad your parents were. So, even if the kids were the kids of rich Chinese people or government officials (a redundancy perhaps) who most likely made their money from exploiting the masses in one way or another… this does not mean that it is appropriate to feel good about their children getting attacked.

    Their children may in fact be just like their parents (who probably are exploiters or oppressors in one way or another) or they may perhaps be nothing like their parents (the children may in fact resent what their parents are and how they made their money). Without knowing anything about the students’ opinions or viewpoints about how to live life (and how to treat others, especially politically or economically) it is unfair and immoral to feel good about them (the highly privileged students) being harmed.
    Having said that… the real travesty here is all of the media attention that gets paid to the children of rich and powerful people (especially when something bad happens to them). Clearly there is an inequality between media coverage talking about all of the crimes done to poor people, and the crimes that are done to privileged people. Since there are probably about 1000 poor people to every 1 rich person in China, for every news story like this (about an injustice done to the children of the super rich) there should be 1000 stories about injustices done to poor people (such as land seizures, sweat shops, etc.)

    In conclusion… I feel as though most of the outrage expressed by the netizens here is misguided.

  • dconn

    No human being deserves to be attacked by scum. The article was steering people away from the real issue which is France has serious economic problems, and is becoming a country seized by thugs and ruffians preying on women,children, and in this case defenseless future scholars.

  • Phil.

    Chinese people are so fcken stupid to hate on the victims just because they are rich

  • Tsuhna

    It’s funny how some people point out that these Chinese were probably mugged by the “new Europeans” aka people of North African or Middle Eastern descent and after that politically correct writers go to great lengths to defend multiculturalism.

    I live in Europe. I can tell you that multiculturalism is indeed a policy, for example in Finland it started in the 90′s because some parties here wanted to bring large number of arabs and africans as refugees. Also in UK there were revelations how ministers of Labour (Social democratic) party planned to “rub the right’s noses with diversity”. By no means multiculturalism is inevitable, which is standard argument by American liberals: most rich asian countries choose not to take any immigrants despite labour shortages. They also don’t have as great social security as i.e Nordic countries have – a lot of africans come here despite the cold climate and difficult job market just because they can easily claim benefits.

    Most africans, especially somalis, fail to integrate into our countries. They top the crime charts and preach islam, wishing to change whole culture of the countries that feed them. In Finland the unemployment rate of somalis is over 50%, for which they blame racism. Ethiopians, who are from neighboring area of Africa succeed in getting jobs however – they have about as good employment rate as native Finns. Thus the racism card doesn’t sound very convincing, especially because only those problematic minorities like to play it all the time, unlike asians who mostly integrate very well.

    Multiculturalism is a disaster. It’s a stupid policy, mostly supported by social democratic parties (at least in Northen Europe) which has been lately heavily criticized by opposition leaders. We will probably change our course soon, because Finland didn’t try to experiment multiculturalism as early as French or Swedes did, so our political leaders don’t have to rely on the support of the troublemaking minorities like Democratic Party in USA has to.

    By the way, even our anti-immigrant party is quite supportive of Asian immigration or people coming to work in here. So you can try to call me racist all you want, I don’t care. But I believe what I see with my own eyes, and that is some people just are completely unfit to ever become part of western civilization, and that most liberals don’t like to see the inconvenient truth.

  • bee c

    I’m not surprised. I’m ABC and anyway I had French exchange students in HS before. They were fucking assholes. Anyway fuck France. They’re too cocky for their own good.

  • Dumbledore

    I think the “racist” moniker is being used too fast and loose these days. Reading the description, it seems more like dumbasses picking a fight because of an unrelated reason. Anyone who’s ever been in a drunken argument/scuffle/fight will know that all sorts of nasties are thrown around, even racial slurs, but from there to go out and claim it was “racially motivated” is quite the big step, at least from the events as they happened according to the article.

  • Gordon Gogodancer

  • https://www.facebook.com/lian.liu.92351 Lian Liu

    Been in Paris for 2 months now, until end of this year. I confirm not so safe in some area.

    • markus peg

      From what i have read from many different sources, France doesn’t seem to be as tolerant of other nationalities as much as Germany and the UK. Especially the south of France, i would avoid that area for the time being. I’m not sure the reasons behind the anti foreign attitude in France, but it needs to be dealt with as soon as possible.

      I believe the UK is the most culturally tolerant nation in Europe, Many Chinese can find their local foods in specialist Chinese shops around the UK. a China town isn’t needed to accept Chinese shops in the UK possibly due to the relationship with Hong Kong in the past.

      I do fear that as China gets more powerful idiotic people will lash out against Chinese in places that aren’t so tolerant, so Chinese students who would like to travel overseas should select carefully with that in consideration.

      • https://www.facebook.com/lian.liu.92351 Lian Liu

        It’s not really a question of beeing tolerant or not, I just reproach the country for not beeing safe enough (regarding to its reputation, as the “most beautiful /Famous city” in the world). In fact it’s even not safe for french people themself. They might be too much tolerant towards the thugs who really spoil our daily life.

        Yes UK must be more “friendly” with chinese people due to the relationship in the past with HK.

        For the moment, I still can see tons of chinese tourists in Paris, but with this bad growing reputation, the number will surely decrease.

        • markus peg

          Paris has a reputation of being a romantic city which is both true and false. A lot of presumptions / reputations people have are out dated for many parts of the world.

          For example, British food is thought of as being tasteless because after world war 2 the UK lived on rations (low quality food) But of course over time the country recovered along with the food, but the reputation still hasn’t fully recovered despite world class restaurants.

          I’m not saying the food is the best in the world, I’m not diffusional, I’m just saying its far better than its reputation.

          My Chinese friend from Beijing speaks very little french and when he went to Paris he had to rely on the English language to communicate, he said the French wouldn’t want to talk to / help him even when they understood English. May i ask, can you speak French?

          Despite all the bad things though, I read somewhere that the French government are trying to teach the French people in Paris how to behavior when they meet Chinese tourists (Although they are doing this for the money the tourists bring) But even if its for the wrong reasons at least they will change to try and make the Chinese more comfortable, however, i agree with you that the amount of tourists from China will decree despite their effort to correct the rudeness.

          Stay safe.

          • https://www.facebook.com/lian.liu.92351 Lian Liu

            Paris romantic, it’s as true as when I say all chinese know kung fu :)

            French food is pretty good, I especially love their bakery. Didn’t try much UK food, beside fish&chips ^^

            People in Paris are pretty cold and arrogant. I understand your chinese friend. But I think if he was a girl, everything would be easier for him ^^ Lot of french guys nice to me, although I know it’s just smooth talking.
            French people also sucks at foreign language, their english level not as good as dutch people for exemple.

            Yes I speak quiet fluent French.

          • https://www.facebook.com/lian.liu.92351 Lian Liu

            Paris, romantic, it’s as true as when I say all chinese know kung-fu :)
            I think if your friend was a girl, french guys will surely help him and more kind to him. They are good smooth talker to pretty ladies here :P
            Yes I can speak french, speaking english here is almost useless, because they are as good at english as chinese are (unlike dutch people for exemple).

          • senglon

            Haha that’s true Paris can be romantic or not depending where you are. Depending the district where you are it can be more or less safe.
            And yes A lot of french people won’t bother trying to speak english when they don’t need to, unless you are in a touristic area or talking with people who actually know english.

          • markus peg

            One last thing, have you seen the movie 巴黎宝贝?
            I saw it and thought it was funny. If you haven’t seen it you should try and find some time to watch it. You might like it.

  • bert

    “China is currently the third largest consumer nation of France’s grape wines, possibly becoming the second largest market in 2016″ ha ha! I love when they write things like this in a totally unrelated way. My guess is this sentence is the most important part of the article according to dear leaders.

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