Petition to White House to Deport Zhu Ling Poisoning Suspect

Zhu Ling and parents. Zhu Ling was the victim of thallium poisoning when she was a student at Tsinghua University in 1995. The person who poisoned her remains unknown to this day.

From NetEase:

30,000 People Signed Petition Requesting White House Intervention on Zhu Ling’s Case

Not long ago, [the news on] Fudan University graduate student Huang Yang being poisoned to death by a classmate shocked many people, the incident reminding people of the 1995 Tsinghua University female student Zhu Ling’s thallium poisoning case. Unlike the Fudan poisoning case, just who is the perpetrator in Zhu Ling’s case remains a riddle to this day.

A petition on the White House "We the People" website seeking to deport Jasmine Sun (Sun Wei), the main suspect in the famous Zhu Lin thallium poisoning case in China.

On May 3, a petition regarding Zhu Ling’s case appeared on the White House’s official website. At the moment, already 30,000 people have signed in participation. According to the related regulations in the U.S., once the number of signatures reaches 100,000 people, the White House must provide a response. The person who initiated the petition wrote this on the White House’s website: “In 1995, Zhu Ling as a Tsinghua University Student was found out to be purposely poisoned twice lethal in chemical: Thallium, which leads to her permanent paralysis. It was indicated that Sun, her roommate, had the motive, and access to the deadly chemical … Resources also show that she changed her name and entered USA by marriage fraud. To protect the safety of our citizen, we petite that the government investigate and deport her.”

Looking at the information disclosed on the White House website, the petition initiator is shown as Y.Z., residing in Miami, Florida of the U.S., his/her basic information essentially concealed. Y.Z. represents the petition initiator’s initials. The Obama Administration launched the completely new “We the People” online petitioning system on the White House’s website in 2011, where one needs only register on the White House website with their email address in order to post a petition on the White House’s website. According to a new January 2013 regulation, if a petition obtains 150 signatures in support within 30 days, it will receive search engine support [can be searched for through the search engine] on the White House’s website. If it can collect 100,000 signatures in support within 30 days, then it can get a response from the White House.

Zhu Ling and parents. Zhu Ling was the victim of thallium poisoning when she was a student at Tsinghua University in 1995. The person who poisoned her remains unknown to this day.

At present, this letter of petition has already obtained 30,000 signatures in support. Among the signatories, there are more than a few who users who are Chinese. According to reports, the suspect Sun accused in the White House website petition is a [former] Tsinghua university student, and Zhu Ling’s roommate Sun Wei. Previously there have been reports claiming that the Public Security Bureau already cleared Sun Wei of suspicion in 1998. Hong Kong’s South China Morning Post recently reported victim Zhu Ling’s current condition, stating that her current weight is nearly 100 kg, paralyzed in bed, suffers from diabetes, almost completely blind, and her IQ is equivalent to a 6-year-old child.

Comments from NetEase:

我要目田 [网易广东省深圳市网友]

Who wins the people’s trust, it is clear at a glance.

大新帝国 [网易湖南省长沙市网友]

Sign it!

wohaha [网易广东省广州市网友]

[I’ve] quietly supported [this petition]. Hope the truth will be discovered soon. Sun has always said she is innocent, then let’s clear Sun’s name [if that’s the case]. And provide an account for Zhu’s family.

wu5maodang [网易广东省广州市网友]

It’s truly only the Americans who can help her. At least [this] can make her famous in the United States as well. The United States is a country that really pays attention to individual credibility.

网易广东省茂名市高州市手机网友 [Newsen]: (responding to above)

Tianyi.

网易天津市网友 [dujinlaoda00]: (responding to above)

You say you demand judicial fairness and justice, but you behavior is precisely using power to intervene in the administration of justice, especially since you believe that the US is like China, where a powerful and influential president can meddle/intervene in the independent administration of justice, and especially meddling/intervening in the administration of justice of a foreign country. It is thus clear that deep in your heart you deem yourself a slave. How severe the Bao Qingtian complex is in your heart. Whether Sun poisoned or not is no longer important in this matter, what matters is that the Public Security Bureau did not put her on file, nor did the court declare her guilty, therefore in terms of the law, she is not guilty. So many people disregarding the facts claiming she is the criminal is what is unfair. Especially when 99% of these people are all going by the information they see online without actually understanding the actual facts themselves rashly going by their own biases to judge a person’s [Sun’s] life or death. Of course, if someone indeed has evidence that points to Sun having poisoned [Zhu] and believes the PSB or court did not enforce the law unfairly and bent the law for personal gain, then who you should be targeting is the PSB or the court, instead of people involved in a case where guilt has not yet been determined.

网易广东省广州市网友 [河蟹满地]: (responding to above)

Fuck your mom, third floor [the above commenter], are you animal? Your heart is black, but are your eyes blind too? The Heavenly Kingdom’s laws are nothing but farts in the face of influential/powerful government officials. Fucking raping the underaged, where [intentionally] running people over is considered an accident and unjustly accused people are imprisoned, the courts sure have rendered a great service……This era where no official is not corrupt is pathetic.

网易江西省九江市网友 [aa371831516数码]: (also responding to dujinlaoda00)

Third floor’s words make sense. If everyone questions whether the courts enforced the law unfairly or bent the law for personal profit, who should be targeted is the PSB or the courts.

网易广东省惠州市网友(183.25.*.*):

First floor [another commenter] is a stupid cunt. [If] Zhu Ling had a solid background [powerful connections], would she have been poisoned stupid with her case remaining unsolved to this day? [If] Zhu Ling’s background was solid, would her father demand to make this case public and ultimately be rejected with some groundless reason? [If] Zhu’s father had a solid background, would he let his daughter’s name become a sensitive [censored] term on Sina Weibo? First floor, you had too much door-cracked-open walnuts, or did water enter your brain? Didn’t Sun Wei say she is innocent, and now that people want to re-investigate, wouldn’t that clear Sun Wei’s name? You TM just want it to be a case of miscarriage of justice, right> You TM just want the murderer to get away with it, right? With such a big China, there fucking being one or two cocks whose conscience have been eaten by dogs is not strange, but did you think you could put what you used your butt to think up on the internet and people would not flame you?

网易山东省莱芜市手机网友(123.134.*.*):

Sigh, if enough evidence had been collected back then, then this case would have been closed long ago. There is motive but you have to have enough evidence too. [I] hope everyone does not rush to a conclusion. If back then Sun was arrested for criminal motive only, it could very well have been yet another case of someone being unjustly charged. Evidence is critical.

狗屁全通了啊 [网易江苏省南京市网友]: (responding to above)

I support your statement, indeed there is a lot of uncertainty and external pressure influencing [the case], which will be an important factor leading to a miscarriage of justice. Imagine if we had arrested someone back then, closing the case in a situation without or with a lack of evidence. Now if the case is reopened, netizens will probably will probably have other excuses. The uncle-nephew miscarriage of justice case is a good example!

网易湖北省荆门市网友 ip:61.184.*.*:

[I] feel sorry for the victim, [we should] have faith in the police. Netizens, please objectively approach and treat this incident.

Zhu Ling and parents. Zhu Ling was the victim of thallium poisoning when she was a student at Tsinghua University in 1995. The person who poisoned her remains unknown to this day.

网易上海市长宁区手机网友 ip:116.236.*.*:

I came here because of Zhu Ling, yet did not come here for Zhu Ling. Actually, I am here for myself…I want to express my grief and indignation for what Zhu Ling has been through, and am also terrified for my own fate. I speak for Zhu Ling, but am actually crying out for myself…

baiseshishi [网易河北省邯郸市网友]:

Have faith in justice.

网易福建省厦门市网友 [道心]:

In the past, I only vaguely felt there weren’t many kind-hearted Chinese people, but only after seeing how Sun Wei is being treated in Zhu Ling’s poisoning case have I come to realize that the level of wickedness and viciousness of Chinese people is beyond human imagination! And what more, this kind of wickedness and viciousness is directed at Chinese people ourselves, and when facing external forces, the majority of Chinese become like dogs and sheep! Nevermind that the so-called evidence on Sun Wei is unable to stand up to scrutiny, even if Sun Wei is the poisoner, the police remained silent, the court did not convict Sun Wei, and you people also don’t have any direct evidence, so what right do you have to declare Sun Wei guilty, as well as maliciously harassing and cursing her? If you people think the case is an injustice, then go find the PSB, find the court! Do you guys not dare to? Through this incident, I now know why in the past century the Chinese people were humiliated and massacred. Not having been humiliated and massacred would actually have been weird!

网易广东省广州市网友 ip:119.33.*.*:

Zhu Ling’s family want the truth, Sun Wei wants to be cleared, while what I want is judicial independence!!

sshaxie [网易广西桂林市网友]:

I want to sign too, who can teach me how to do it?

网易湖北省武汉市网友 ip:27.17.*.*:

China’s judicial problems cannot be solved by itself, begs the White House [for assistance], pathetic.

网易江苏省苏州市太仓市网友 ip:221.224.*.*:

Tianyi!

法克2012 [网易广东省广州市网友]:

Should we go to the White House [website] and sign [another petition], to investigate the Tianyi’s case [specifically his involvement in a gang rape case soon after being released from jail following his aforementioned road rage case]?

网易天津市网友 ip:111.160.*.*:

Only big America can save the people of Earth!

网易加拿大网友 ip:99.224.*.*:

If Sun Wei was not the perpetrator, then there is only one possibility: She is an angel.
Because for her to suffer in silence all these years being unjustly blamed and not utilize all the resources she has to prove her innocence, or to realize the wish of this case being thoroughly investigated, she must have the Virgin Mary’s tolerance, rationality, and caring (including caring for the real perpetrator).
But, before a real angel has been seen [by anyone], I am unable to be certain she is an angel.

网易北京市手机网友(123.120.*.*):

If the U.S. government really finds the true culprit in the Zhu Ling case, I will never again trust China’s government. I am a college student, I feel indignant for Zhu Ling, I have believe in China, but I believe in facts even more.

网易广东省深圳市手机网友(113.91.*.*): (responding to above)

Back then, I was as stupid just like you…hehe.

Zhu Ling and parents. Zhu Ling was the victim of thallium poisoning when she was a student at Tsinghua University in 1995. The person who poisoned her remains unknown to this day.

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  • ScottLoar

    Finally. This topic has been hot on Weibo and tv channels, and the primary suspect Sun Wei has been in the US for 19 years.

    Repeating a comment:

    “Zhu Ling’s family want the truth, Sun Wei wants to be cleared, while what I want is judicial independence!!”

    This is the true issue.

    • mattman_183

      So without judicial independence, can anything but online conversations on the topic really be cleared?

      • ScottLoar

        I don’t understand your question. Please rephrase it.

    • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

      Judicial independence and rule of law =/= guanxi

      Things only get done in China through backdoor channels. You need a mover with connections, or else you’re stuck in official channels with people only worried about their own necks rather than doing a good job. So, guanxi will always exist in China, while the former is just something that is teased but not actually embraced in order to satisfy and control the anger of the public.

      As per an example: You’re a good Chinese dude. You love your family and your country. In the course of a lifetime, you work hard at establishing contacts and relationships with more powerful people to fulfill your career and personal standing. All of a sudden, “judicial independence” threatens to take it all away.

      Naturally, you balk. Judicial independence is only good for lowly people with no guanxi and need the state to look out for them. To have judicial independence would ruin the lives and hard work of all the “good” people in China.

      • ScottLoar

        By calling for judicial independence the persons are asking for rule of law. Still, you are convinced that “guanxi will always exist in China”; maybe so, but I look to the examples of Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore, and overseas Chinese. Again, in the 70’s Taiwan was as bad as China now, but circumstances do evolve and systems do change or are abandoned. Now, what perspective can you offer? A few years in China?

        China had an imperial system of governance for 2,500 years, and yet only 4 years after the Revolution on 1911 the people would not tolerate another emperor. Mao roiled the country through the “cultural revolution” (now in quotes as the Chinese press puts it) but no one suggests a return to such a cult of leadership, and the system of the Central Politburo Standing Committee tries to ensure that (Bo Xilai didn’t take note). It is easy to throw stones at the Chinese and volunteer platitudes in ChinaSmack but circumstances do evolve, systems do change.

        • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

          You’re implying that the mainland is moving in a logical progression towards the final “forms” of HK (Hongkies) and Taiwan as though we facing some kind of final boss at the very end of an impossibly tiring RPG.

          Of course, things will change. But China won’t change. It doesn’t — it adapts. For the persnickety, the difference is that change is just one thing becoming something else for whatever reason, while adapting is slow, methodical evolution by “intelligent design”. (and on the eighth day, Mao didn’t rest but got married because it was an auspicious day).

          The “evolved” forms of Chinese society that you quote are still all very traditional and conservative and still harbor elements that are immutable. While HK is the politically correct capital of the world, it is still a “face” society.

          All the rules are out and no comparison can be made with the mainland with the examples given: you’re talking about millions in poverty, and a minority trying to make as much money as they possibly can without any moral reservations. Judicial independence is just something to put on a brochure.

          Platitude this: “The more things change, the more they stay the same.”

          • GatsbyC

            1. I saw no implication of any logical progression. Scott offered evidence for historically changing China.

            2. Semantics. Let’s say China adapts instead of changes.

            3. “The “evolved” forms of Chinese society that you quote are still all very traditional and conservative and still harbor elements that are immutable.” SUCH AS?

            Ultimately you’re maintaining the position that China is NOT changing. You argue it by saying that it doesn’t change, IT ADAPTS, THEREFORE IT DOESN’T CHANGE.

            America 2013: You’re talking about millions in poverty, and a minority trying to make as much money as they possibly can without any moral reservations. Equality and Balance of Power is just something to put on a brochure.

            Greedy? Yeah that’s most of us.

          • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

            I’m not advocating for the American Dream; any proponent of which should enjoy a viewing of “Dogville” in between eating crow. As is clear, the American Dream has failed many people who live on literal crow.

            For many immigrants, the US is an opportunity to make money, or as you may so tactfully put it, “be as greedy as you wanna”. But, while the American Dream is a picket fence and all that, living in the US also has other benefits: living the ideals of an American. It all has to do with an old parchment that people always refer and fight over. It’s not perfect, but the immutable part of it won’t change (well, unless it’s amended).

            Let’s go back to what I was talking about: adapting with change, immutable characteristics. How do you summarize what China is now as a country, as citizens? You don’t – because as a society of “rule by law”, means nothing is a constant, justice is just a whim to satisfy current trends like this case. But China is not lost in this case because of what the essence of China is, and continues to be: a continued culture of customs and traditions. This makes China something very old that looks very new.

            Whatever the dictionary versions of “change” and “adapt” are, I’m using them differently here. I’ve explained what I mean for both.

            “Greedy? Yeah that’s most of us.”

            Jin Ch’n would love to have a word with you about the nature of human beings to be animals that live on a cosmic speck of dust where nothing is of consequence.

          • GatsbyC

            1. No you weren’t advocating the American Dream I just likened its gilded nature with that of Chinese society. Your stories work both ways.

            2. This is a tangent but sure, I agree. Constitution has been immutable.

            3. – “what I was talking about: adapting with change, immutable characteristics”

            “a society of “rule by law”, means nothing is a constant”

            So…. the fact that nothing is constant in China is its immutable characteristic?

            – “But China is not lost in this case because of what the essence of China is, and continues to be: a continued culture of customs and traditions.”

            You’ve just described every place on earth.

            Brits still drink tea and Canadians still say sorry to everyone.

            4. I’ll pass

          • ScottLoar

            “You’re implying that the mainland is moving in a logical progression…” Of course not, that is what you have willfully inferred.

            “Adapting is methodical evolution by ‘intelligent design'”? There’s a book by Charles Darwin titled On the Origin of Species; I suggest you read it and stop trying to construct silly arguments.

            You do trip over words rather the use them to construct a point. Begin with understanding the difference between “inequality” which mainland Chinese well know and accept, and “inequity” which is the issue in this instance.

            See GatsbyC’s comments as well.

          • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

            You should start with the jokes, and then eat your way to the head.

      • GatsbyC

        Things only get done in America through backdoor channels. You need a mover with connections or big money, or else you’re stuck in official channels with people only worried about their own necks rather than doing a good job. So, Freedom/Equality/Democracy/TheAmericanDream will always exist in America, while the former is just something that is teased but not actually embraced in order to satisfy and control the anger of the public.

        As per an example: You’re a good American dude. You love your family and your country. In the course of a lifetime, you work hard at establishing contacts and relationships with more powerful people to fulfill your career and personal standing. All of a sudden, “fiscal responsibility/environmental prudence/improving social services…….” threatens to take it all away.

        Naturally, you balk. A good work ethic is only good for lowly people with no education and need the state to look out for them. To change any of that would ruin the lives and hard work of all the “good Christian” people in America.

        • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

          It was way better the first time. But then some people like to wear other people’s prom dresses.

          • GatsbyC

            Definitely took less effort than you did. As my eccentric farmhand uncle used to say, “you can’t bludgeon a pickle without a mustache gizmo!”

          • mr.wiener

            Was this what he said on the days he wasn’t taking his medication?

          • GatsbyC

            Wow, some people really like pork chops over Arby’s sandwiches.

    • jeffli

      No shit Sherlock?
      [rhetorical question]

      • ScottLoar

        What’s the point of your remark, Clem?

        • mr.wiener

          At a guess?….. Shits and giggles.

          Trust me I know these things, I am the monkey whisperer.

      • GatsbyC

        Tough job insulting everyone that says something you already know.

    • Dumbledore

      18 years. No Sino-US extradition treaty, and no way to secure a conviction without a confession at this time. This case looks dead in the water by all accounts. Sad, yes, but it doesn’t look promising. There’s an allegation of fraudulently entering the US in the first place, and there’s no statute of limitations on that one, so the best one can hope for is her being deported due to that. Sometimes it’s just too late for justice.

  • James

    if the supposed suspect Sun is in America by fraud as claimed, then yeah she ought to be deported, but deporting illegals isn’t a strong point for the us .gov, particularly in recent years, neither is accepting back criminals for the communist gov

  • pangxie

    America welcome every one
    Let’s GO TO AMERICA

  • Roi

    This just exposes the total ignorance about rule of law that comes from being raised in a society that doesn’t have it. How can the U.S. arrest a murder suspect from a case that was bungled 10 years ago? U.S. residents have rights.

    • donscarletti

      She was never tried, so double jeopardy does not apply. Murder and other heinous crimes do not have a statute of limitations in the US either.

      • Roi

        How are they going to get an arrest warrant? “Your honor, Chinese netizens think she did it.” How are they going to investigate? Go to China and start poking around a 10 year old crime scene? The justice system doesn’t work like that. The crime was committed in China 10 years ago, the U.S. officials have no information about it. How could they possibly go to trial?

        • Rick in China

          Your questions are all rhetorical I assume, yah? They wouldn’t. The US doesn’t give a shit about this, only Chinese netizens do.. they need something to keep them occupied and focused on rather than their own sad lives :D

          • GatsbyC

            Totally. They should pack up their sad lives at home and take a shot in a foreign country. They don’t even need any real skills. Tons of intro language teaching jobs!

          • Rick in China

            Assuming you’re responding in sarcasm: are you implying I’m an English teacher?

          • Jin Ch’in

            Rick are you in China because you can not get a job and girlfriend/wife back home?

          • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

            Pretty sad that you think of China as a place that is so pathetic that even people who can’t get anything back home can get everything they need in China. Why do you hate China?

          • Rick in China

            Got me.

          • Klove

            When you assume you make an ass out of you and me. Figure that one out, and stop insulting foreigners who probably know more of your language, than you do of theirs, moron.

          • Mighty

            Making assumptions is his specialty. But again, he’s the biggest moron on this site.

          • Mighty

            Your mindset is the same size of your penis. I bet your boy friend is the one ‘giving’ it to you.

          • mr.wiener

            the implied answer to your insult would be [were it true] If foreign losers can make a go of it in China why are they perceived as better than most of the Chinese male population?
            Seriously, lost your gal to a laowai once too often?

          • Klove

            Actually, officially you need a degree to be an english teacher in China, which kind of negates your real skills part. Stupid people wouldn’t graduate with a real degree, and I am not talking about a degree in 80s pop music or the influence of David Beckham, but a degree in one of the classical subjects.

        • slob

          “… Resources also show that she changed her name and entered USA by marriage fraud.”

          They’re petitioning I assume for her to be deported for entering the USA illegally. It would be beneficial for the current govt. to reinvestigate her case once she returns to China as they are supposedly cracking down on corruption. Obviously they’re not asking the USA to look into her case as they don’t have the jurisdiction nor would they give two shits about these girls. It’s pretty much just angry netizens calling for justice on some chick who used her guanxi to get away with paralyzing her roommate years ago.

          • Rick in China

            It would be a political mistake for the US government to “look into” a US citizen of several decades due to “Chinese netizen” pressure – a precedent they’d eat shit on for decades at least. The petition mentions the “marriage fraud” note as an afterthought, which I can find absolutely no basis for presenting (although I didn’t spend much time googling, it didn’t turn up anything more than the phrase marriage fraud with no basis). Imagine I dislike Bill Bobsworth of Minitown, Iowa. I write a petition saying – Bill Bobsworth is a fucking horrible person and sexually assaulted my brother’s goat last winter then uh, oh, he also admitted he stole a case of soup from walmart. Look into it! I petition, therefor do my bidding.

            This is essentially the same. People with a gripe, people with little to no REAL INFORMATION on a subject, just the blurbs they see online or by word of mouth, taking up a cause and claiming it as their own path to justice, and demanding some sort of resolution….but in this case, from a foreign government. Should the US ignore it completely, or take it seriously? In my mind, taking it seriously would only encourage more of this nonsense, more fucktards posting petitions for everything they think is unjust in ever part of the world that has a hint of relationship to the US or US citizens, and possibly render the intention of the whole petition system useless. If anything, the US should post a reply to this type of petition, something along the lines of:

            “We have drones. Post more shit that we don’t care about on our site, see how that works out for you and your country.”

          • slob

            I meant the Chinese govt. should look into it, of course not the USA govt. As I stated earlier, the USA doesn’t give 2 shits about either one of these girls. The petition already has 130,000 signatures and the rule of the site states that the White House must give an official reply if it has >100k signatures. All they need to do is calm these hordes of people is run a background check on the girl and that’s it – the actual poisoning case is the Beijing govt.’s responsibility once she gets deported for marriage fraud and sent back to China.

            If you dislike Bill Bobsworth and 130,000 people signed the petition, surely they would ask someone with some time to spare to run a check on Bill, wouldn’t they?

          • James

            if the majority of those sig’s show up from apnic assigned ip’s then I’m guessing they won’t

          • Rick in China

            I agree with that limitation – a quick fraud check, then wash their hands of it all..

  • Jin Ch’in

    Seriously who cares? its not like she is important or rich.

    • BiggJ

      The girl who they think poisoned her is. Her uncle and grandfather are/were communist officials.

      • Jin Ch’in

        All the more reason why this case should just be forgotten with…they just wasting time for nothing.

        • BiggJ

          I agree they are wasting their time. But it’s just another excuse for poor chinamen to talk shit about corruption and the government. And it’s not so much about the individual person that chinese people care about. It’s the principle of the whole thing. It was enough to make the government censor key words about the case on weibo.

          • Jin Ch’in

            The reason why the Chinese government would censor this is because they don’t want people to waste their time over a nothing case. Even if the murder was from the Chinese government its been over 20years and there is no way it could be proven. They have better things to do with tax resources then chase after revenge for this family.

          • Rick in China

            I disagree with that motive. The reason Chinese gov’t would censor this is similar to why they censor anything – it brings up distrust in the government, upsets “social harmony” with the notion that there is unfairness in justice for those with guanxi and those without, and overall makes them look bad. Their motive has nothing to do with ‘helping people’ manage their time better.

          • Jin Ch’in

            Name me one government in any part of the world where they do not want positive media reporting on their party? I think China central government is becoming weak and letting westerners influence their polices. Whether you or any Chinese like it or not your living in their country under their laws ..you know where the nearest international airport is if you do not like what you see. Just like any Chinese living in America or any other “free” country can do if they do not like that country government. Your “moral” compass has nothing to do with anything and means nothing unless you are the one writing this country legal system.

          • Boris

            True, but in democratic countries parties attempt to earn positive media reports.

          • Rick in China

            More drivel. Is that all you can write? Drivel?

            There’s a difference between a government wanting favorable press and censoring anything that makes them look bad. That’s called oppression. If you’re proud of living under oppression, good on you – most people aren’t. Simply stating “You can leave if you don’t like it” is a joke – under that illogical guise nobody should try to improve anything, ever..

            You write like a wumao, I can’t figure out if you’re just straight up trolling or truly believe the nonsense spewing from your keyboard.

          • moody

            everybody want positive media reporting of himself or their party or whatever.
            who likes to be taken down ?

            but it is no excuse to block and shape information

          • Xiu

            ‘Developing Nation’ means a lot more than just income and infrastructure. For anyone who has lived in Eastern China then they could be forgiven for thinking that China is already a developed nation…

            Transport and communication networks that are superior than those of the USA, UK, and Europe. Cities that put to shame anything outside of the USA (other than Capitals). The problem is in the lack of laws, or the lack of application of law.

            That is what makes China a ‘developing country’. Thing is, the leaders consistently break those laws, set a poor example, and allow a majority of the people to break laws. Have we not seen this pattern before?

            Roman Occupation, British East India Company, American Imperialism…. to name but a few. The status quo always wins while profit is to be made, no matter which race or nation. The people are pawns who can never get to the other side of the board and become queen.

            A series of revolutions that were hijacked by fuckholes and cynically redesigned to transfer power from one group to another. The second group only giving the illusion of change.

            Bottom line – every revolution ever has failed!

            The world is the same as it always has been, our rulers are people who deceived us and undermined our great revolutions… every single one of them. The people of this world have, and always will fail when it comes to freedom and equality.

          • Rick in China

            Well put

          • BiggJ

            So thats is the reason why they censor things? So when a government officials son crashes his Ferrari and then the government blocks the word “Farrari”..is that because they don’t want to bother people with it? Come on man, you must be smarter then that.

          • Jin Ch’in

            people crashing their cars are private affair it has nothing to do with the general public. Of course for spin doctors like you westerners it would be great opportunity to spread “elitist” lies about hard working Chinese people.

          • BiggJ

            So Mr. Communist, explain to me why things like that get censored? I would think it would be so people don’t ask questions like “How does this guy who makes barely any money afford a 250,000 car?” Don’t you question something when someone tries to hide things from you? It’s human nature. Say if you wife/girlfriend has a room in your house where she has locked and says you cant go in. You ask her why and she says just says don’t go in there. Are you not going to want to at least know what going on and why all secrecy? She’s not obligated to tell you, but you can at least question her motives.

      • Rainer

        Here you are again, rumour mongering as always while knowing a shit about China.
        Let me teach you since I guess you were not smart enough to know there are other 8 democratic parties, apart from communist. Sun Wei’s grandfather Sun Yueqi was an official but not communist. He was vice-chairman of The Revolutionary Committee Of The Chinese Kuomintang, which used to be the left wing of Jiang’s Kuomintang before 1949.
        http://baike.baidu.com/view/550750.htm
        So you can either begin to badmouth the hypocrit democracy of Chinese politic or to storm out of classroom, yelling to anybody: “I Am 50% smarter now”! Good luck.

        • donscarletti

          Represented by the four tiny little stars to the right of the big one on the flag. Yep, it’s a unified leftist front that accept the guidence GCD as the “first amongst equals”.

          If you truly believe this stuff is legitimate and these parties are actually politically distinct, you should be both studied and protected as part of the rare and endangered subspecies: Homo Sapiens Gullibilias.

        • BiggJ

          Here comes captain communism to save the day. you’re the naive one. If anyone is in the government after the communist take over…they are pretty much communist puppets…no matter what fake title then give them. Regardless of all that, the point is she used her government connections to get off with it. Communist or not.

    • mr.wiener

      Which encapsulates the attitude of the party to the people rather neatly.

      • Jin Ch’in

        I just see the bigger picture not just one person problem we all have problems.

        • mr.wiener

          Trouble is , oh bigger picture watcher, that while you are perusing the non-petite portrait ,the Sheeple of China are looking at smaller things and starting to mutter to themselves. Timely intervention at this stage could head off larger problems in the future. The beat of a butterfly’s wing starting of a typhoon and all that?
          You have to at least look like you are trying to empathize with the people occasionally. Chinese dynasty’s Achilles heel has always been the arrogance of the powerful.

          • linette lee

            Is that you in the avatar? hahaha..you are funny.

    • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

      Let them eat cake, by which I mean onion cakes.

      • Jin Ch’in

        There’s close to 7 billion people in the world now..all around the world whole families, city and sometime country are being subjected to torture, killing and Crime of Genocide. Why waste your time protesting against this meaningless case? use your time and partation for world change and government change which would have a more positive outcome for the world.

        • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

          First off, onion cake is delicious.

          Secondly, your apathy is horrible (state education?). To believe in “ideals” and “harmony” but ignore humanity and the person in front of you is the kind of double think that allows Chinese to make progress by dehumanizing the human faces their boots step upon.

          Thirdly, this case appears to be a microcosm of everything wrong with China and China’s recent success. Especially with distractors and apologists like you that would think that nothing matters except the big lie: the biggest, boldest, most obvious lie that now means everything to you. Or else you have to deal with the truth.

          Onion cake: delicious AND full of layers to peel back. Try it.

          • mr.wiener

            I’ll order Jin one serving of onion cake with a side order of the milk of human kindness, I believe he could use some.

          • Jin Ch’in

            This is human biggest mistake thinking we are so special and individualism is what separate us from animals. The rights to one self interest..but its this thinking which has created greed, monopoly in money and resources. “Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet” the only way to control a virus is to put it under control and take away its freedom to spread. So people like this person means nothing on this planet and her “problem” is just a micro dot in time.

          • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

            Doesn’t explain your pride, you sanctimonious anarcho-proto-double thinking-apologist.

            Why don’t you go get lost in the meandering halls of your own bureaucratic nightmare of a logical log jam?

          • Rick in China

            In your backwards way of thinking, we’d all be ants, with no compassion, will, or choice. I’d say *you* are the disease needing to be controlled, or better put you and those who share your thoughts (definitely the minority, thankfully), and hopefully one day we’ll find a cure. For now, I guess the only way to get rid of the symptoms are to ignore you, which I’m sure you’re quite used to by now.

          • Xiu

            “The only way to control a virus”….. that is dangerous thinking my friend. Who controls? What is their motive? Are they beyond corruption? What if the person in ‘control’ thinks that they are not a part of the problem? Who gets to decide who is in control? Why do they get to decide the fate of innocent people? What right do they have to choose who lives or dies? Some deserve life, and some deserve death… can you give it to them? By choosing, what would that make you? When you kill a man you’re a murderer, when you kill many you’re a conqueror, kill them all and you’re a god. By what right can a ‘cancer’ claim to be a god?

          • moody

            time for you to unplug from the Matrix before you turn Agent Smith on our asses :-p

        • ScottLoar

          Vladimir Pozner, the notorious apologist for the USSR, said the same about a different incident in the Soviet Union, trying hard to squash comments.

        • BiggJ

          “use your time and partation for world change and government change which would have a more positive outcome for the world.”

          But is that not what people are doing? Peaple are pissed because someone used government corruption to get off with something. Think of it as like an indirect hit against the government. People trying to change the way things are done. You are looking at this as just retribution for the family. It’s a lot more then that.

          • Rick in China

            I disagree with that completely.

            If the target was the government/corruption, it wouldn’t be on that one person – but rather the people involved in the cover-up if there was one. Do you really think investigating this person would reveal that? (I would say trying, but it seems she’s not even charged..)

            In this system, would the ‘investigators’ come out and say, we find our departments guilty of covering this up, indict ourselves! … I don’t think so.

            It’s just a nonsense story that some people use as a means to vent their anger against oppression – if any of them DO have the motives you describe, they’re more disillusioned than the family of the victim in thinking they’ll get any form of justice.

          • BiggJ

            I’m not saying it will ever work. It just seems to me this story is so popular because people can complain about injustice….valid or not, which always stems back to some form of corruption. Like if this story was just 2 regular chinese people it would just hit the news one day and gone the next, even if one of them went to america. I’m just saying it might not be the main reason why people are talking about it…but it has a little bit of what I said to do with it.

          • Rick in China

            I agree with that part

    • donscarletti

      If that was the case, she probably could not have left China while she was wanted for questioning.

      • Jin Ch’in

        I was referring to the wheelchair person

        • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

          You mean the person getting all the free rides?

  • linette lee

    How can anyone be so evil. Poison your room mate. Just evil.

    • Rick in China

      Way to join the crowd, and judge the suspect guilty before proven so….

      • linette lee

        I didn’t name anyone guilty. I was just saying the person responsible for this is pure evil. Just evil.

        • Rick in China

          I agree – but “poison your room mate” means you think the room mate is guilty..

          It’s a tragedy either way – and very sad for her family. Whatever happens in this case now, though, it seems like justice will never be done – too much time has gone by and short of a confession, any ‘evidence’ will be entirely too controversial. The family needs to move on, and more-so, the ‘netizens’ who take this up as a personal crusade need to stop making fools of themselves.

          • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

            Maybe she just meant any roommate in general. Like if some roommate anywhere…like, two Bosnians live together in a small apartment in Johannesburg, and one poisons the other. Murders or cripples him in cold blood. Pure hatefulness.

    • James

      you haven’t had some roommates like I have, I guess

  • BiggJ

    America, fuck yeah! Coming again to save the mother fucking day.

    • POS

      Who thumbs down team America?! Reactionary running dogs!

  • BrandeX

    1. There is no extradition agreement between the US and China.

    2. This person is a potential suspect in a 20 year old suspicious poisoning case. This is not a murder, I doubt even if this was an American case, between Americans any office would bother trying to prosecute this.

    3. The White House site is for Americans, not foreigners, we have enough of your shoe sale spam online already Chinamen, time to ban you off the gov sites too.

    • Beijinger

      Chinks are even more pathetic on the internet than they are in real life. All of them just act like retards 24/7.

    • Xiu

      no 3… yes. Although, how about you Americans petition the opening of a sister site for foreign nationals? As the preeminent superpower the US claims influence in other countries, so why not let those countries reply (winning hearts and minds). Chance for the US to show that they are not just wayward children of the British Empire. The balance between ‘hearts and minds’ and ‘shock and awe’ is what will shape the image of the US, and the makeup of the world in the next 20 years.

      • Jeffli

        Xiu,

        How about the Chinese people and their formidable communist party membership start up a real petitioning system in China?

        stand up and do something! actually there is a petitioning system in China at your disposal. The more you use it, the more powerful it gets!

        • Xiu

          I’m not Chinese, but I would welcome that too. Then they can also make one for foreigners to petition the PRC as well.

      • BrandeX

        “Chance for the US to show that they are not just wayward children of the British Empire.”
        What the fuck? Your knowledge of world events is 200 years out of date. Like it or not, the US has been the worlds sole dominant power since the 1940’s. It was once thought to be a tie with the USSR, but we have since learned they were much of an “empty shell” throughout it’s reign.

        • mr.wiener

          “Chinamen” is also a little out of date. The 1920’s just rang, they want their terminology back.

          • James

            I’ve heard that term used in the 21st century by taiwanese

          • mr.wiener

            I’ll take your word for it, I live in Taiwan and have never heard the word used or seen its use in print. At a guess it might be used by an older generation of people who studied with older text books.
            Not trying to be the grammar nazi, I just found it funny that he [Brandex] accused someone’s thinking of being out of date right after he used such old fashioned term.

          • James

            yep, got that. I was just being anecdotal. One guy I knew who used it is about mid 40’s now. I prefer gongfei lol

          • BrandeX

            I was being quaintly derogatory.

          • BrandeX

            Nah, I use it frequently!

          • mr.wiener

            You may think it’s the berries but anytime I hear some palooka draggin’ out that malarky it makes me wanna upchuck.

            Twenty-nine skiddoo.

          • BrandeX
          • mr.wiener

            Thanks for the correction. It’s hard to talk Flapper :)

          • zi_ni_ma_13

            hey, gender equality! we must all now say chinahuman.

          • 五毛Partay!

            Dude, Chinaman is no the preferred nomenclature. we’re not talking about the guys that built the railroads dude.

        • Xiu

          ‘the preeminent superpower’ is what it says, nobody would argue that

          • anon101

            200 years?

            the British empire was at its largest around 1922, almost a quater of the worlds land mass and 20% of the worlds population. A third of Africa, Australia, Canada, India are to name a few places where the British ruled.

            If the US was the sole super power since 1940’s, what started in 1950s and ending in 1973? Come on, the British did so well and the US…. well, they didnt.

    • Dumbledore

      Thing is: There is no statute of limitations on immigration fraud. If she’s truly guilty of being in the US illegally due to this, she could quite easily be deported. Even if she’s obtained US citizenship, it could be revoked if she cheated her way into the country in the first place.

  • BiggJ

    There is no way america would send that girl back to china without solid evidence. The evidence is 20 years old and in china. It would take the Hardy boys and Nancy Drew with help from Sherlock Holmes to find even a crumb of evidence from that that case…..any hope of convicting that girl is long gone. It’s well known that the Yangtze River swallows all secrets. :)

    • Rick in China

      I think it takes more than just solid evidence – she’s not even *charged* with the crime, right? I think she’s just the “#1 suspect”, after all these years….

      Deportation because someone is a suspect, would be an extremely dangerous precedent to set.. it’s absolutely not right for any gov’t (or public) to fuck up someone’s life because they’re a ‘suspect’ in a crime, regardless of what the peasants online who read a 3 paragraph article and come to their “sound conclusions” think, yeh?

      • BiggJ

        Oh yeah I agree it would be monumentally stupid to deport that girl just on being a suspect. I think they are just planting the seed and see how much people will care/talk about it. People care about cases that “might” involve corruption in china. This one is no different.

  • 不要脸

    They’ll never deport the suspect, she will probably win this year’s Nobel Peace Prize!

  • Kyle

    How does the person who posted thr original petition know that the suspect came to the US through marriage fraud? Or is it just accusing her of it?

    • MeCampbell30

      I’m pretty sure they don’t and that was only an excuse to post it on the WH site.

  • Ed

    I feel slightly sad because of how optimistic the comments are. The US justice system is not exactly known for its efficiency or its fairness. We have college kids getting sent to prison for downloading pirated research papers while Bank CEOs who defrauded millions get a slap on the wrist. I doubt even with 100,000 signatures, the US government will do anything.

    • Xiu

      Boomshanka! Spot on my man.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-Laudig/1188014994 Steve Laudig

    “The United States is a country that really pays attention to individual credibility.” I suggest to anyone holding this opinion that they take a closer look at recent US history. Beginning with Ford’s pardonning of Nixon. Neither accountability for actions, nor credibility, has been paid attention to in any serious way. The politically weak are held accountable, but not the wealthy or the politically strong. There are war criminals and torturers [not just US nationals either but many from fallen dictatorships] roaming at will in the US.

  • vonskippy

    What a bunch of fucktards. First China wastes the Whitehouse’s time with their “silly” petitions (http://www.chinasmack.com/2013/stories/chinese-netizens-post-silly-petitions-on-white-house-website.html ) and now hat in hand they expect the Whitehouse to solve another one of China’s problems. Get Stuffed – who’s going to cover the cost for all this problem solving.

  • Mighty

    I really don’t see much success in this petition. Chinese netizens should think outside the box and think of ways to influence Americans on the net to assist in this.

  • Alex L

    Probably better to call “America’s Most Wanted” TV show…

  • tomoe723

    we “petite” that the government… LOL

  • zi_ni_ma_13

    there are chinese all over the US, especially the east coast. they could flesh search and destroy that chick. or just find her and pay some guys from southie to do it for them. justice is just a few hundred bucks away……

  • simboda

    正义只会迟到却永远不会缺席。

  • BrandeX
  • su

    They are just like what I was before I actually paid a visit to the U.S and found out that the U.S is not an utopia, and actually far from being an utopia. I feel bad for my people, they were so disappointed by the Chinese government and exhausted from the crowed and over-competitive society. What make it even sadder is, they didn’t believe in any religion. At this time, the U.S.culture came to their lives. Chinese began to believe there were an utopia existed in the world that was always of justice, of equality, and well-being. The Utopia government raises one from its birth to the death and he should never be afraid of pressure from competition . Everyone can be super rich , got a big house, beautiful car, and handsome/pretty accompany easily. The American dream existing in the Chinese’s impressions is not a normal social admiration, rather, like a new kind of religion. I don’t find kind of petitions amusing or ridiculous. I just feel sad.

    • James

      Thomas More wrote Utopia, it’s only a book (one that marxists loved btw)

      he also managed to get decapitated by a welsh tyrannous rex

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