Chengguan Brawl with ‘PLA Soldiers’ Over Forced Demolition

Qingdao, Shandong, screenshots from a video purportedly showing a brawl between China's chengguan city management officers and PLA soldiers over the demolition of a guard building.

From Youku:

Qingdao City Management Forced Demolition of Military Compound Guard Room Fight, People’s Liberation Army Greatly Outnumbered

2013 September 4th afternoon 5pm, Shandong Qingdao city Laoshan district Shilaoren village, a government-on-government farce occurred at a military compound. Over a hundred chengguan beseiged a guard room at a military compound, with the intent to forcibly demolish the guard room.

It was a scene of chaos. At first, a chengguan officer that arrogantly charged into the compound was knocked to the ground by a People’s Liberation Army soldier with a stick and then a fierce conflict broke out between the two sides. It was a brawl but in the end, due to the chengguan having more numbers, the military compound side was unable to resist them, and the PLA was beaten into retreat.

The chengguan brought in an excavator, and the guard room ultimately was forcibly demolished.

China’s chengguan were established in 1997 initially to manage the problem of transient street peddlers and vendors. However, as everyone knows, the chengguan system was unconstitutional from its very appearance, while the illegal conduct of chengguan and the criminal activities of individual chengguan officers during law enforcement have long ago become too numerous to count. The chengguan are always ruthlessly trampling upon China’s legal system, enormously menacing the safety of the Chinese people’s lives and property. Nowadays, the chengguan department can build a 30-floor luxurious building, can park innumerable luxury public cars [cars purchased with public money for government use] below it, can use violence against roadside peddlers who choose to make a living without stealing or robbing, even crippling and killing them, and can also fight with innocent pedestrians. Chengguan have long ago become a synonym to “gnashing of teeth” for the ordinary common people, with the people both detesting and fearing them.

Now the chengguan have become so arrogant and unbridled that they dare go to the military’s front gate and use their illegal existence and illegal methods to prevail against a lawful government machine [organ, the military], which shows that the struggle between China’s departments of differing power long ago reached a peak, with various departments fighting each other for their own power, exploiting and trampling on the ordinary common people.

The above video was uploaded a day ago and has been viewed over 800k at time of translation.

From NetEase:

Qingdao City Management Officers Forcibly Demolish Military Compound, Chengguan and Guards Brawl

September 4th afternoon, Qingdao City Laoshan District Shilaoren Village, over a hundred chengguan besieged the guard room of a “military compound” with the intent to forcibly demolish the guard room. At first, a chengguan member was stopped after charging into the camp and then a fierce fight broke out between the two sides, with the chengguan ultimately using the excavator and forcibly demolishing the guard room. Photos are of the People’s Liberation Army [PLA] blocking the excavator with the chengguan going forward to stop them and both sides coming to blows.

September 4th afternoon, a “Scene of Qingdao chengguan forcibly demolishing military compound guard room” video spread on the internet. Based on what’s shown in the video, several Qingdao chengguan operating an excavator attempting to demolish the guard room of a military compound were stopped by many military compound guards, leading to an explosive brawl between the chengguan and the military guards. From what can be seen in the video, fierce conflicts occurred between both sides as they stood off against each other, but the guard room was in the end still forcibly torn down once after the arrival of the excavator.

Qingdao, Shandong, screenshots from a video purportedly showing a brawl between China's chengguan city management officers and PLA soldiers over the demolition of a guard building.Qingdao, Shandong, screenshots from a video purportedly showing a brawl between China's chengguan city management officers and PLA soldiers over the demolition of a guard building.

Qingdao, Shandong, screenshots from a video purportedly showing a brawl between China's chengguan city management officers and PLA soldiers over the demolition of a guard building.Qingdao, Shandong, screenshots from a video purportedly showing a brawl between China's chengguan city management officers and PLA soldiers over the demolition of a guard building.

Qingdao, Shandong, screenshots from a video purportedly showing a brawl between China's chengguan city management officers and PLA soldiers over the demolition of a guard building.Qingdao, Shandong, screenshots from a video purportedly showing a brawl between China's chengguan city management officers and PLA soldiers over the demolition of a guard building.

Comments from NetEase:

nj8421 [网易河北省邢台市手机网友]:

The facts show that chengguan are stronger than the military.

风毒翩翩 [网易上海市网友]:

No wonder during the Diaoyu Islands incident, it is the chengguan who [people] first think of, and not the military.

网易浙江省杭州市手机网友(115.195.*.*):

Don’t know if this is lack of common sense or sensationalist claptrap. Just because there are a few people wearing camouflage clothing, you say it is a military compound. Have you ever seen a military compound? Have you ever seen the summer outfit for the PLA? Have you ever seen an unfortified military compound? What local government would dare attack a military compound??? Before the day is out, the [local] Party Secretary and Mayor would be locked up in a military prison waiting to be tried by a military tribunal, or worse, immediately used as target practice! No wonder [the government] is vigorously cracking down on internet rumor-mongering! It deserves to be heavily cracked down upon!

网易江苏省南京市手机网友 ip:117.89.*.*: (responding to above)

As someone who came out of a military compound [was in the military], I must ding this person who knows.

网易河北省沧州市手机网友 ip:211.143.*.*:

I bet on the chengguan winning! Hahaha

网易福建省泉州市手机网友 ip:110.81.*.*:

Mighty chengguan, you can go protect the Diaoyu Islands, and the soldiers can come home to rest.

趙剛一糕衰負 [网易山东省青岛市网友]:

I seriously question our military’s fighting strength. If they can’t even prevail against the chengguan, how can we even talk about defending the country….?

梵高遛狗不挑品种 [网易山东省东营市网友]:

Fuck, looks like having the chengguan liberate the Diaoyu Islands really isn’t a rumor!!!

网易广东省深圳市网友 ip:119.136.*.*:

If this is fake, starting a rumor that is forwarded 500 times will be investigated for criminal liability. I’ll contribute…

[Note: This comment refers to another popular news story today where China’s Supreme People’s Court and People’s Supreme Procuratorate said slander or libel [“rumors”] that is forwarded over 500 times or read 5000 times may be liable for criminal prosecution.]

网易加纳网友 ip:41.215.*.*:

Qingdao chengguan are mighty! Chengguan are indeed the most powerful. Resolving the Taiwan Problem, recovering the Diaoyu Islands, and capturing Tokyo….all of this now depend on the mighty Chinese chengguan!

醉眼看人家 [网易浙江省温州市手机网友]:

Even the PLA can’t resist the prestige of the chengguan.

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  • mr.wiener

    Soooo……..I don’t get it.
    This was a compound on a military base right? and a bunch of guys in military uniforms were defending it against another arm of the govt….how could they not be soldiers?
    This one has to go down in my “only in China” file.

    • Li TianYi

      You’re not supposed to “get it”. But feel free to “get out”.

      • Probotector

        Why should he “get out”? Because you can’t handle criticism?

    • Probotector

      You know, ever since you became a mod, all the trolling and hate on CS has been on the decline. Keep up the good work man.

      • mr.wiener

        Yee Gods The Smack will lose its bad name at this rate, heaven forbid!
        Kai does most of work. I view my role as kind of like the guy who cleans the tiolets.
        Clean towel sir?

        • Whoo

          Isn’t the bad why the Smack is so infamous? Consider the bad, but flush the stinkies. If there’s one thing I like about the Smack, it is that it doesn’t pretend to be something else. It sure beats out takimag and amren, IMO. Comment wise, it’s on par with some mainstream news sites.

        • Germandude

          You have a great sense of humor.

          • mr.wiener

            Believe it or not it comes from the German side of my family. Funniest bunch of bastards in all creation. My dad’s side are all humorless scots and pommies.

          • Jeffrey Jones

            Pommies have humour, it is scots who are dour and sour. Any nation of people that drinks whiskey for breakfast can’t be trusted imho. Or as Prince philip with one of his famous gaffes, asked a scottish driving instructor how he kept the natives off the booze long enough to get them through the test, rofl.

          • Jeffrey Jones

            That said a royal german bubble and squeak can hardly lay claim to being the average pommie, lol.

            http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/416992.stm

            Prince phils MANY gaffes!

          • Germandude

            “In 1995 he asked a Scottish driving instructor: “How do you keep the natives off the booze long enough to pass the test.””

            Holy fuck, that’s crazy…

          • Jeffrey Jones

            Chickenfeed to what he has said about aboriginal australians, chinese, and other races. Actually I think the germans got off scot free, perhaps because he is part or fully german himself.

          • mr.wiener

            Danish and Greek, but as with most European royals there is a healthy[or unhealthy] dose of Von Battenburg in them. That Queen Victoria, she was a breeder.
            I love Phil the Greek.

          • Jeffrey Jones

            True that. I love him too, gaffes and all. Not sure the aborigines love him after his ” do you blokes still chuck spears at each other?” comment.

          • mr.wiener

            Actually some still do. Tribal law for some serious crimes like murder are sometimes handled this way.

          • Jeffrey Jones

            Interesting. Wonder if that is also the case on native american reservations?

          • Silntthnkr

            LOL no, not quite. Native americans are not allowed to scalp each other. They do have tribul law but with a few exceptions serious crimes have to be handled by federal investigators (i.e. the FBI, DEA, ATF etc…)

          • Refractions_of_Error

            As crazy as the ‘slitty eyed’ comment he made?

          • Germandude

            Nope. Haven’t read that comment though as I was interrupted reading and posted the above comment which I found insane. The “slitty eyed” as well as others, are as retarded…

          • Refractions_of_Error

            I do not in any way condone this attitude but here it is:

            “If you stay here much longer, you’ll all be slitty-eyed”-Said to a group of British students in China in 1986, as quoted in “Long line of princely gaffes” BBC News (1 March 2002)

            http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Prince_Philip,_Duke_of_Edinburgh

          • Mike77

            Scots eat porridge for breakfast you racist twat.

          • Jeffrey Jones

            So do english, or at least I do, last time I checked, not calling anyone any female body part names either!

          • Refractions_of_Error

            You have to sympathise with Scotland. They can’t speak Gaelic anymore and English is a second language for them. They need time to adjust…

          • Refractions_of_Error

            Washed down with whisky.

          • hahahah

          • Germandude

            Unbelievable!

          • Ronbo

            I cant believe someone thinks Germans have a sense of humor…I lived there 18 years and in all that time I only heard one joke that was funny…even drunk (most of the time) they have these loser jokes

          • mr.wiener

            Obviously this is why they left Germany and came to Oz in the 1850s.

      • connie

        The “fake” moderator supported psycho trolls.

        • Probotector

          Are you referring to Kai?

          • connie

            Why? Who is he/she?

            Is he/she a “fake” moderator who supports psycho trolls?

            Are you the “fake” moderator?

          • Whoo

            Easy on the paranoia there, manchild :-)

            Connie? Really? I understand that “psycho” emasculated you, but seriously?
            Couldn’t live a day without China or Chinasmack, could you, oldboy? Bear in mind most Chinese couldn’t give a damn about your obsessions with China and those of most Canadians/Americans.

          • connie

            Oh!

            So you must be the little fat eskimo I was told about.

            I heard they kicked you off cS until you begged Kai to let you back on under new names. You wanted to kiss his ass out of eskimo gratitude, but he said he didn’t want to talk to you. Poor baby.

            Ha! cS needs an idiot like you to do their dirty work – intimidate and scare away the anti-China crowd. Kai may not have native-English speaking skills but he’s not psychotic. You, my little fat eskimo are 城管 material. You are truly touched.

            Let’s play this game until cS ends it.

          • Kai

            Let’s not. Please review the comment policy. Our lenience in letting you come back and continue commenting on cS is predicated on you guys having a newfound respect for the comment policy with your new identities, not because we don’t know who you are.

          • connie

            Kai, I have no problem with that.

            However, I find it very distasteful having someone use racial insults, rants, and tirades as a substitute for an intelligent debate.

            I have no difficulty dealing with gutter snipes, but if I have to get “dirty,” I will.

            Mr. Wiener should not have to be “the guy who cleans the toilets.” A firm policy against racial insults should be a given.

            I will limit my arguments and debates to a civil discourse, but I reserve the right to respond in kind to racial insults.

            Thanks

          • Kai

            I agree that it is very distasteful for someone to use racial insults, rants, and tirades as a substitute for an intelligent debate.

            You can reserve the right to “get dirty” and “respond in kind to racial insults” but we reserve the right to moderate you if and when you violate our comment policy.

            At this point, merely expressing arguably racist opinions is not by itself prohibited by cS’s comment policy. We’re still idealistically clutching to the hope that fighting racism requires acknwoledging its existence and confronting it. We do however think responding in kind isn’t confronting it but merely participating in and perpetuating it.

          • connie

            我 明白。

          • Wololoo

            This will be he last nail to the cs-coffin.

          • Refractions_of_Error

            ‘This will be he last nail to the cs-coffin’

            You mean your comment is the last nail? Well if you continue to post unrelated and banal comments then of course it would be the last nail in any coffin.

          • Robert Rou

            Idealism has its place, but moderation of an Internet discussion board is a mere exercise in what YOU want. Freedom of speech is meant to apply to governments, not private property, and especially not on websites, where it is really just an extension of an artist’s vision. These things are supposed to be private tyrannies.

          • Kai

            Oh yeah, absolutely. We’re just saying a bit of idealism underlies our current policies of tyranny. We’ve always been amused by people we’ve moderated complaining about freedom of speech. For some reason they never learned the difference between public and private property.

          • Refractions_of_Error

            Thank you Kai. That is why Cs is better than reading most of the stuff online nowadays. You have taken a brave step here and I know it must be rather difficult in maintaining that fine line between what is acceptable or not.

            Just don’t ban Eattot whatever you do. Even though she swears and vomits a lot, she IS a lot of fun. Hahaaa….

          • Kai

            Her comments are somewhat “disruptive” in that they rarely make any sense but reliably generate a bunch of off-topic comments from what we can at best guess to be eattot-groupies. Not yet at the level of being a bannable offense. We might start deleting her comments whenever they just devolve into incoherent strings of expletives though.

          • Refractions_of_Error

            You should post more often. I know you are busy but still. Eattot is ok. I believe this experience will actually be good for her in the long run. I am not being sarcastic here at all. She will learn immensely in how to deal with criticism without having to cursing people. Thanks for your post again.

          • I believe this experience will actually be good for her in the long
            run. I am not being sarcastic here at all. She will learn immensely in
            how to deal with criticism without having to cursing people.

            Indeed, character building. She will learn to be more of an active listener or reader, and that posting twaddle gets responses she doesn’t like to read. Perfectly simple it seems, at least to me.

          • Kai

            I dunno, she doesn’t strike me as having learned anything or have changed much of her behavior in the years she has been on cS. She comments and reacts to replies pretty much the same way as she has always.

            The only difference I can tell at this point is that back then, her friend Little Wolf would defend her and that would keep away some of the criticisms and flames against her. Now that the guy has passed away, there’s a bit more dogpiling. I don’t feel sympathetic to either “side” though. She says some real head-scratchers but at the same time, I don’t understand why so many people (or at least the same handful of people) hang on her every word. I’m tempted to chalk it up to her being one of the few obvious “females” among the regular commenters but ehhh…

          • mr.wiener

            I like cleaning the toilets.

          • Refractions_of_Error

            How long have you been on Cs? Just curious..

          • connie

            Do you remember Belle? That’s how long.

            Ask Kai about her.

          • Refractions_of_Error

            That is pre-historic. That I grant you.

          • Germandude

            This however leads to a lot of confusion. Rather have stupid comments deleted than blocking an account while allowing the same person to reappear under a new nickname.
            If a person constantly posts racist stuff or anything out of the boundaries of your comment policy, delete their posts and at one stage, give them a final warning. If they still didn’t get it, block their IP.

            Just a suggestion from my side.

          • Kai

            Hey @disqus_qpFQtxPJyF:disqus I have to delete your comment here but I’ve emailed you addressing your suggestion. If you didn’t get my email, please kindly email us through our contact form.

          • Germandude

            If you didn’t send me the following mail under your pseudonym “Jenny”, then I didn’t receive your mail:

            “Hello dear
            Complements of the season to you. I would like to
            express my sincere gratitude to you. My name is Miss Jenny,
            I am nice
            and beautiful girl with full of love and caring also
            romantic. well I
            come in contact with your email online
            when I was looking for a
            sincere friend, I think we can click together as one body
            and soul.
            Waiting for your reply
            your new friend
            Jenny”

            LOL, I bet it was you Kai ;-)

          • Robert Rou

            LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Mighty曹

            You lucky bastard! Why didn’t Jenny send me an email?

          • Germandude

            Not to burst your bubble, but “Jenny” is more known to us as Kai. I will ask her, eh him, to send you a mail since you are one horny guy that wants to click together with him, eh her, as one body and soul.

          • Mighty曹

            It’s okay. Kai is cute. (I’ll use him to get to Fauna).

          • Probotector

            Then I don’t know what you’re talking about.

          • connie

            Sorry. My mistake.

        • mr.wiener

          Hindi mo alam kung ano ang iyong pakikipag-usap tungkol sa . Walang isa dito ay sumusuporta sa trolls .

          • connie

            ເປັນຫນຶ່ງ pompous ອະນຸຍາດໃຫ້ເປັນ racist notorious ກັບ insult ທຶກຜູ້ເຂົ້າ.

            ປະເພດໃດແດ່ Moderator ວ່າແນວໃດ?

          • Mighty曹

            You speak tagalog?

          • mr.wiener

            I can say little things like “how much is that”, “to the airport please”, “My nipples are very sensitive’ and “stop hitting me”….Stuff like that.

          • Mighty曹

            And “I want a refund”.

      • symon

        scoring brownie points huh.. lol

    • Kai

      It seems the ambiguity is part of the story. A lot of people are taking it at face value, that some PLA guards tussled with some chengguan workers and lost,. However, quite a few netizens are skeptical that the guys in fatigues are actual PLA soldiers because the notion of local chengguan being able to decide ANYTHING on military jurisdiction is unheard of.

      People usually think of cops being afraid of even pulling over or ticketing cars with military plates, and they usually think of chengguan merely bullying the already downtrodden (with police turning a blind eye), not those who might have actual power like the military.

      Maybe someone has read more about this but it somewhat boils down to people just making jokes at the expense of the PLA and chengguan either way, since they’re both popularly damned anyway. Shrug. The fight itself was a bit underwhelming to me personally, though I guess there were a few moments where I wondered if someone might be accidentally caught and crushed under the excavator.

      Yikes, morbid.

      • mr.wiener

        Hmm good thing there wasn’t a peasant with a hoe around, the Chengguan would have run away screaming like little girls.

        The Chengguan are a law unto themselves however. What historical paramilitary organization could they be compared to…The “Brownshirts” perhaps? No, tempting as it is, they have no political agenda and their fashion sense is appalling.

        This is not first time they have come up against other “peoples forces” in the line of their work, but nothing on so grand a scale:
        http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1291134/chengguan-violence-escalates-police-beating

        • Refractions_of_Error

          ‘Hmm good thing there wasn’t a peasant with a hoe around’

          No such luck but surely there must have been a ho or two in the area?

      • Whoo

        And that’s the logical thing when you think about it. Very few police forces actually hold more power than the military. Could this be training or just part of a movie? The possibilities are endless. I dare say if the fight was serious, the government would intervene on the military’s side and by then, I won’t favor the chengguan’s chances.

    • dumbledore

      Clearly you’ve never lived close to an army/navy/air force base in the US then. The local brawls with MPs and/or police can be epic.

      • mr.wiener

        I haven’t, no. But this is China, there was no booze involved and the fight could hardly be viewed as epic.

  • Probotector

    “but in the end, due to the chengguan having more numbers, the military compound side was unable to resist them, and the PLA was beaten into retreat.”

    So the PLA can be defeated my their own citizens. Awesome.

  • keni

    Now add some traffic control people blowing on their whistles and this scene will be complete

  • sdfgsdgdsfgsd

    obviously these are not military personnels, many security guards in china wear camo uniforms, pretty sure this is just a case of security guards vs chengguan.

    • mr.wiener

      What you say may well be true, but it still doesn’t explain why the hell a bunch of Chengguan show up at a military base to enforce a demolition.
      The other thing that makes me think they aren’t security guards is that are actually trying to stop the Chengguan [although not particularly enthusiastically]. Real security guards would be sitting around picking their noses and scratching their nuts.

  • Daniel

    I really don´t think this was the real army. I mean a military compound with 5 soldiers only? For me its hard to belive that in a country such as China “police” could have more authority than the army. Why didnt army call for the back up? It just doesnt add up. My 2 cents.

    • mr.wiener

      So is it a “pretend” army base? The boy scouts? I know this story doesn’t make much sense, but neither do any of the explanations.
      I’m as confused as you. The first round is on me.

      • markus peg

        guards have guns, where are the weapons the solders carry? If they just pulled out a gun the Chengguan wouldn’t have come too close that’s for sure..
        They do not seem like soldiers to me.

        • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

          Having guns does not mean they have a right to use them on civilians. That’s basically what Chengguan are, civilians. Civilians part of a massive bureaucracy that has amassed way too much power.

          • markus peg

            I did not mean use them, just having them would show they arent to be messed with…

          • Eurotrash

            If threatened with force that could cause them grave inures or death, they can shoot.

        • It doesn’t matter I think, nothing does to the chengguan.. their laoban needs a new shopping mall and that’s how it’s going to be. military? tough cookie, 哥们! deal with it lol

        • Smart

          I’m going to assume you’ve never been to China. Based upon your comment. You are judging the situation base upon the western standard or guarding a post.

          As a westerner who lives in China currently. I can tell you. The only people in this country with “guns” are high ranking officials/police and police that transport bank money. Most of the police here are armed with batons. You can walk by very small military installations and only see 2 guards out side.

          Outside of training, the Chinese army is largely unarmed except in area’s with high tension between the PLA and Local populous. Such as Tibet and western China, where it is mostly inhabited by Muslim Chinese.

          The military guards with guns are usually outside of embassies and consulates. For obvious reasons.

          Nice display of Pseudo-intellectualism though.

          • markus peg

            You start off your comment with an incorrect assumption then accuse me of trying to act smart based on my above comment.. If you were so “Smart” as your name suggests then you would know my comment wasn’t serious.

            I have seen military guard with weapons, China is a big place meaning its not the same everywhere you go, some will have weapons some wont, so don’t foolishly assume one way or another… The story above is clearly not the military, but we can still joke about the story. (some of us can anyway)…

            Lastly, you believe you can “tell it how it is” because you are “a westerner who lives in China”? News flash, a
            lot of people who visit this site are westerners who live in China.

            You saw some Chinese soldiers without guns and assume none of them have any… By that logic if you see an old Chinese man eating KFC then all Chinese must like eating KFC…

            Don’t bother replying, save some face..
            oh wait that must be why you are using a guest account to post…

      • TJDubs

        Yeah, shanzhai soldiers. Some people really want to be part of the PLA, but just don’t meet the “stringent” requirements, so they start an imitation paramilitary faction, and somehow gain control of a compound.

        The chengguan caught onto their game, after noticing that the apparent soldiers seemed suspiciously waidi and had similar accents to the choudoufu peddlers whom the chengguan had savagely beaten earlier that day. Everyone knows that the chengguan are required by law to beat the bejesus out anyone who confronts them, especially waidiren. They really had no choice.

      • donscarletti

        Plenty of guys around China wear camouflage clothing, sometimes it is even the uniform of labourers in some companies. Often you see patches with “Airborne” or American flags sewn to them.

        This causes limited confusion since the real PLA never wear combat uniforms on guard duty and off base. Real PLA wear service dress both off base and guarding the base’s gate, which is Bottle green (Army), Royal Blue (Air Force) or White (Navy) trousers, with matching jacket in winter, or a lighter coloured collared shirt in summer.

        Anyway, on duty PLA certainly do not wear T-shirts without rank insignia and badly fitted combat pants. They don’t wear that pattern of camouflage either.

        • Probotector

          They do wear the digi-camo a lot of the time actually. Real PLA can be identified in this uniform by the rank badge velcroed onto the collar and the badly sewn on badge on the right sleeve. These would be on the camo jackets, but perhaps they’re not wearing them because it was hot or because they were off duty. They also wear those t shirts with shorts when they do phys ed.

      • 5,000 years of uncivilization

        If i have time, i’ll ride by there today and find out if it’s really a military compound. I’m also confused why they would be fighting if the compound truly was military.

        • Be careful I was riding my scoot around some back roads in that area a couple of months ago just exploring and ended up being detained for a few hours by the Navy. The front of their bases look all nice and well guarded but the back door is wide open.

          • 5,000 years of uncivilization

            That almost happened to me today when i was riding around out there, exploring the area. Got some unfriendly gazes from some of the Navy thugs. Luckily, i didn’t get detained but aren’t they just a bit too suspicious of foreigners? I got detained on the other end of town last year by the Navy. They took my camera as they thought i was some kind of spy but i got it back. What kind of scooter you got?

      • 5,000 years of uncivilization

        I just rode by there yesterday and though part of the building on the right is still standing, the security guard was wearing camouflage. My point is, if it wasn’t really a military compound, why would the security guard still be wearing camo? He should worry about the cheng guan coming back and kicking his ass. He might want to wear a blue shirt, instead.

    • The Enlightened One

      They better hope it wasn’t their real army… that looked like a sissy shoving match. And what sense does it make to want to destroy a military guard building out of nowhere… just sounds stupid.

      • linette lee

        It looks like the China citizens don’t respect china police. The China police can’t regulate or enforce any law. What a joke. They are corrupted and can’t enforce any law. You can only get the China police to work if you bribe them. So pathetic.

        • 5,000 years of uncivilization

          To be fair, they usually show up when i call them and when they do, they do their job politely. But then, i’m not Chinese.

    • lonetrey / Dan

      Feels like you’re right, I watched the video and thought to myself the whole time, “These guys in green don’t look anything like the military, and the demolishers don’t seem to fear them at all.”

      Pure speculation on my part, but the hesitation shown by the men in green seems to show a reluctant or partial acceptance of the inevitable. Perhaps they even know that there’s a good reason that the guard room is being demolished?

      • moldavidian

        The last time i was there, the military had completed the building on the right but haven’t rebuilt the one on the left.

    • MrT

      I read it that these were ex PLA who had bought houses in or near that compound.

      • linette lee

        Mr T, did you take my advice to take a vacation in UK? ;)

        • MrT

          You cant have a holiday in the UK, its a punishment.
          I’m on permanent holiday here.
          My mind is perfectly vacant.My bed is not.

          • Probotector

            lol

      • ash

        aye, its a residential compound next to the wujing hq for lalsham area, not the chinese version of paris island. nk
        ot really surprising there were only a few guards on duty

        • Refractions_of_Error

          “Aye”? English please:-]

    • dumbledore

      It does sound odd. They mention it’s a ‘guard room’ so I’m figuring it could be something that was built right outside the PLA complex, possibly obstructing a sidewalk or something. Upon receiving notice, the officers decided not to interfere but probably turned a blind eye to what a handful of soldiers using the guard room, would do. Sort of like “OK, they want our room? Fair enough, but don’t let them get it easily.”

      • Kai

        LoL that’d be pretty funny. I’d buy that scenario.

      • moldavidian

        The city is trying to widen the road along that coastal stretch to accommodate all the cars of the new wealth who are buying homes out there. My guess is that the guard room wasn’t part of the cities’ plan. Both groups act like child bullies. They should have planned the development a bit better but this is China after all.

        • Jeffrey Jones

          To be honest, I was a bit disappointed by Qingdao. I saw and smelt more pollution than clean coastline, and especially around the railway station thought it was a congested mess. The only things I liked were the “zha pi”, the beer museum (ticket price should be lower, minor quibble!), and the cooler weather and some friendly locals. I’ll have to give it another revisit I think.

          • Guess it depends on where your coming from. I lived in Tianjin for about 6 years and I’ve been in QD for about 6 months. This place is a dream by comparison.

          • True, I suppose I need to give it another look. It just seemed polluted when I was there, both the air and water.

          • 5,000 years of uncivilization

            Agreed. Visited Tianjin twice but not sure why.

  • Monkeekong

    don’t fuck with the almighty Chengguan!

    • Whoo

      Boy can you say that again.

  • Marcus Black

    You know things are fucked up in China when government institutions start to fight amongst themselves.

  • calmpalm

    Looks exactly like a daily Taiwan Parliament browl.

  • YourSupremeCommander

    WHOOA!! Anyone dares to fuck with the military has their days numbered. These are the people who can run red lights, drive against traffic on the road, pretty much do whatever the hell they want badasses.

    • Refractions_of_Error

      And beat up villagers and confiscate their land because some rich, corrupt politician wants to build something.

  • Karze

    PLA is doing the dirty work of CPC in Tibet by oppressing people since 1950. It should change its name to POA.

  • Xiu

    That’s 5 guys vs maybe 30 or 40… from the body language alone I can tell those PLA would totally fuck up the Chengguan if it was equal numbers or even 2-1. Chinese netizens are wrong for once, the Chengguan totally show themselves to be pussies here.

  • Xiu

    Sorry to burst ur bubbles people, but those so called PLA could and would kill 3 of those Chengguan each without breaking a sweat. Watch again and see which side is most afraid.

  • Mighty曹

    No way! Chengguans have no authority to enforce any laws inside a military compound.

  • PixelPulse

    This is hard to believe, both group works for the government so the army should have received a notice that the building was going to be destroy and should have cleared out by the time they came.

  • Washington Bullets

    Looks like a boy scout camp brawl….. well, with an excavator.

    • I love Sexy Chinese girls

      It’s more like a kids brawl. I didn’t see any punching. LOLZ

      • Refractions_of_Error

        Mainland brawls are like this. Lots of flailing arms and legs.

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  • Whoever the guys in Camo are, military or local peasants wearing PLA cast-offs, they and the Chengguan, fight like teen-aged girls. Mostly all they do is yell and shove each other. Looks about as fierce as a Beijing Opera performance!

  • Germandude

    Here is the video of the incident: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=aee_1378659477

    PS: sorry, didn’t see the video was posted in the article itself… Stupid webbrowser…

  • linette lee

    >>>>Mighty chengguan, you can go protect the Diaoyu Islands, and the soldiers can come home to rest.>>>>>

    hahaha….this blogger is funny. lol.

  • lu hengxu

    boring story really. tell you that in fact chengguan is constitutional, problem is no watchdog “gnash its teeth” at chengguan, use other words, chengguan is a referee while is a player, that’ll be the ultimate reason to bring down the no-so-red regime.

    • 剑胆琴心

      your avatar is so cute…

      • Middle_Kingdum

        Now I must find a really cute avatar!

        • Cauffiel

          I like the murdering, godless killing machine you chose as your cute avatar.

          • Middle_Kingdum

            Thank you! :)

        • 剑胆琴心

          hahaha,your so funny and cute!
          this is my pet i call all cats mimi or her 小白。。。

          • Robert Rou

            The kitten is pretty cute actually.

  • Cauffiel

    Where are these guys when 17 year old convenience store clerks are getting stabbed by their internet boyfriend?

    • Marcus Black

      Spectating.

  • Refractions_of_Error

    And they want to fight Japan? Japan would refresh their memories.

    • Mighty曹

      They couldn’t even handle Vietnam when they went in to “teach them a lesson”. So embarrassing.

      • Robert Rou

        I’d check that bit of history. There’s a reason that PRC gained a seat as permanent member of the UN Security Council.

        • Mighty曹

          I was referring to the 1978-79 conflict when China thought they’ll go cross into Vietnam on a decisive blow.

          • Robert Rou

            That was never intended to be a decisive blow. It was meant to be a limited engagement to “touch the buttocks of the tiger.”

          • Mighty曹

            Instead they “pulled its tail” and faced a fierce battle.

          • Robert Rou

            They faced a fierce battle, but who said they ever intended to deal a “decisive blow”? That was never the objective, and those battles served its purpose.

          • Mighty曹

            They said they would go and ‘teach them a lesson’.

          • Robert Rou

            Yes, and…. what was the Chinese objective in that conflict and whom was it directed towards?

          • Mighty曹
          • Robert Rou

            I’m not familiar with the Asia Sentinel nor its reputation. And perhaps indeed this is how the Vietnamese see it. But this is not how China sees it, nor even America, both of which by that time were on friendlier terms.

          • Mighty曹

            That just happened to be the first article that came up when I googled it. But, it was ‘fact’ that Deng Xiaoping intention was to ‘teach’ Vietnamese a lesson. That was the official translation in the news. Not how Viets perceived it.

          • Robert Rou

            When did I ever object to your saying “teach them a lesson”? It was indeed to teach the Vietnamese a lesson and was also a message to the Soviets. But a decisive blow to sack Hanoi? No, not that I know of.

          • Robert Rou

            Re: Hanoi
            “On March 6, 1979, China declared that the gate to Hanoi
            was open and that their punitive mission had been achieved. Chinese
            forces retreated back across the Vietnamese border, into China.”
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War

            “However, no attempt was made to overthrow the Hanoi government or enter Cambodia in any overt capacity. ”

            Yep, definitely no propagandists on CS.

          • Mighty曹

            “China declared that the gate to Hanoi was open and that their punitive mission had been achieved.”

            You’re not familiar with the Chinese’ tendency to ‘save face’? Or being Chinese yourself you are simply denying it.

            Also, keyword there is ‘retreated’. A diplomatic way of saying they got their asses whuped and ran back home.

          • Robert Rou

            Fukin clueless dude. They captured 3 capital cities along the border. Set a limited engagement for a month, which according to you is “bogged down.” Then reached the gates of Hanoi, which they could have taken over. But this means their butts were whooped?

            The best you can do is link to some no name newspaper, from HK. What kind of amateur are you?

          • mr.wiener

            If you look up the Wiki page the Chinese did actually deal a major blow to Vietnamese infrastructure. The did not want to occupy Vietnam as history has proved this is a major no-no. The suffered dis-proportionally high casualties but the Vietnamese suffered worse, both countries were contemptuous of the casualties suffered.
            At the end of the day the Chinese left having made their point [which was…..”fucking watch it”?] The Vietnamese got to say :”We beat the Japanese, French, Americans and the Chinese, bring on the next bitch”…..and to spend the next 20 years picking up the pieces of their economy with little or no outside help.

          • Mighty曹

            Please see above.

          • Mighty曹

            Fucking clueless? Sure they captured some towns at the expense of high losses yet proclaimed victory to ‘save face’.

            Perhaps you’ve heard of ‘TIME’.
            http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2054325,00.html
            Read it carefully and see if it looks like China achieved its objective. Allow this ‘amateur’ to highlight the following points to assist you:

            * Then 85,000 troops surged across the frontier in human-wave attacks like those China had used in Korea nearly three decades before. They were decimated: the well-dug-in Vietnamese cut down the Chinese troops with machine guns, while mines and booby traps did the rest. Horrified by their losses, the Chinese quickly replaced the general in charge of the invasion that was meant, in Beijing’s words, to teach Vietnam a lesson, and concentrated their attack on neighboring provincial capitals.

            * The Vietnamese fought the Chinese with local militia, not bothering to send in any of the regular army divisions that were then taken up with the occupation of Cambodia.

            *The towns captured by the Chinese were all just across the border; it is not clear whether China could have pushed much farther south. Having lost so many soldiers in taking the towns, the Chinese methodically blew up every building they could before withdrawing.

            *Then they began their withdrawal, proclaiming victory over the Cubans of the Orient, as Chinese propaganda had dubbed them. By China’s own estimate, some 20,000 soldiers and civilians from both sides died in the 17-day war. Who learned the bigger lesson? The invasion demonstrated a contradiction that has forever bedeviled China’s military and political leaders: good strategy, bad tactics.

          • Germandude

            You missed some interesting parts ;-)

            China
            200,000-600,000 [1] PLAinfantry and 400 tanks from Kunming and Guangzhou Military Districts

            Vietnam
            70,000–100,000 regular force, 150,000 local troops and militia

            Losses

            China:26,000 killed
            Vietnam: nearly 10,000 killed

            “By late last week of February, the Vietnamese had still not committed any of their regular divisions which were being held back for the defence of Hanoi. They had also not pulled out any of their 150,000 troops in Cambodia.”

            I think it’s fair to say that nobody won in the end…

          • Mighty曹

            Nobody won but China certainly didn’t teach Vietnam a lesson.

          • Refractions_of_Error

            And also fair to say that China got it’s ass whooped. ‘Face’ it. One step at a time. Yes. You lost.

          • Robert Rou

            Spare the bold. It’s not needed to make your points any more convincing. I already acknowledged the point about casualties, and perhaps you should start looking at mine. Unless you have future plans on calling diplomats like Kissinger liars. Thus far, you’ve done fairly well in ignoring those points.

            You seem to dismiss their retreat as saving face, despite their scorched earth policy and laying waste to much of North Vietnam. Never mind the fact that, in years following, the Chinese maintained a heavy military presence on the border, holding out a threat of a “second lesson,” and that the Chinese retained several disputed pieces of territory on its border. Odd that a victor would lose its own land.

            Others have already brought up the point about the Chinese imposed heavy costs on Vietnam diplomatically by isolating Hanoi with great determination and effect.

            About the only point that you’ve made is that the Chinese faced a fierce battle and suffered heavy casualties in the face of a better equipped military, a point that I already acknowledged above.

          • Mighty曹

            Then you obviously missed my initial point, “They couldn’t even handle Vietnam when they went in to “teach them a lesson”. (yes bolded to help you read better)

            Here’s my point: China says “I’m going to kick Viet’s ass to teach him a lesson”. He goes to his home and engaged in a fight. Gave Vietnam 1 black eye but goes home with 2 black eyes and some missing teeth.

            Take some time to digest that analogy. Now think of my initial comment. Btw: Scorch earth is usually done to prevent ‘invaders’ from settling in to deprive them of resources. What China did (destroying towns as they retreated) was just a clear sign of a ‘sore loser’. What a fucking joke to think it was military victory.

            Reminder: What happens in the subsequent years has nothing to do with what I said about China’s mistaken belief that it was going to be an easy lesson. If anything, they were thee ones who learned well enough to maintain a heavy military presence on the border.

          • Refractions_of_Error

            ‘yes bolded to help you read better’

            LMAO!!

          • Mighty曹

            How does one teach another a lesson? By being bogged down then retreating after one month? By ‘decisive blow’ I meant a swift operation to hurt Vietnam and to force them to withdraw from Cambodia. That failed. Big.

          • ClausRasmussen

            >> what was the Chinese objective in that conflict

            No one really knows. The Vietnamese was taken by surprise as well. Maybe it was the result of some infighting in CCP where a military faction wanted to demonstrate “something” but failed.

            Compare to the last round of conflicts over The Silly Islands: Huge demonstrations and a lot of breast thumping that coincidenced with the big shuffle of positions in CCP.

          • Refractions_of_Error

            “what was the Chinese objective in that conflict and whom was it directed towards?”

            Chinese. Objective. It is difficult to reconcile these two words in the same sentence.

          • Refractions_of_Error

            Yeah it served the purpose of thoroughly embarrasing the buttock touching battallion.

          • Mighty曹

            Deng says they’ll spank their asses.
            小朋友不听话,该打打屁股了

          • Refractions_of_Error

            Kinky army.

          • Mighty曹

            hahaha.. “buttock touching battalion”.

          • hahaha

          • Refractions_of_Error

            “touch the buttocks of the tiger”

            So they sent a homo army in?

        • Refractions_of_Error

          Of course. They manufactured the seats in Guangzhou and gave them to the UN for free.

  • Refractions_of_Error

    This chinese fight is the fight of all fights. Enjoy:

    • Mighty曹

      Nice kick.

      • Refractions_of_Error

        INDEED!

  • Refractions_of_Error

    “May I sit here please”

    “Whaaaaat”

  • Refractions_of_Error

    Ok jokes aside, do NOT mess with this dude:

    • Mighty曹

      He forgot to take his meds in the morning.

  • Robert Rou

    No false flag operations have ever happened in the history of mankind. Tsk tsk. Only a North Korean could ever make such a mistake. No one would ever try to smear them. Never.

    • Robert Rou

      Ha wrong story!

  • I wish one day western police become as nice as Chinese police. May God hear me.

    • Cauffiel

      I can’t tell if you’re joking or not. I really hope so. Chinese cops are every bit of scum as Western cops.

      • Probotector

        I don’t know, the cops gave me a huge bouquet of flowers the other day.

        • Cauffiel

          They’re gay for you, man.

      • Yes I was joking, but every joke has a little bit of truth in it. I’ve seen chinese cops in action and they are friggin’ nuns asking for mercy compared to police in the Americas.

        Just try to throw a brick at a cop over here and they’ll bash you so hard you won’t be able to speak against them. Police brutality is something we are used to in the west, right? My earliest memories of that was the L.A. Riots in 1992. I saw it on TV from my country.. and here in South america every year we get 2 or 3 dead by police bashing… at least.

        They have the chengguan in China ’cause they know their police is absolutely gay and useless and they need someone to oppress their people.

        • Cauffiel

          I’ve never characterized in my mind the police in the U.S. as especially murdery or brutal, but they are so much more competent Chinese cops. I’ve sometimes imagined what a Chinese city would look like after one year of an American police force in the city. Probably everyone would hate them…. hahaha.

    • Refractions_of_Error

      You ARE joking right?

    • is your wife still taking photos with her SLR in your south american home?

      • DSLRs are all mine, she just borrows them. . Have you found your shaanxi significant other yet? if so I bet we’d have much more in common you and me.

        • DSLRs are cool, on the serious note, film or digital? Met a guy who swore by film and would take loads of rolls to be developed. As for the wife, no, none.

  • And another one, Chinese real army only exists in diaoyu and when they need to sing at the Chinese new year’s CCTV gala.

  • moldavidian

    The video seems to have been deleted. Anyone know if this is near Shilaoren Beach or closer to Laoshan Beach? I know that the city is trying to widen the road between Shilaoren Beach and Laoshan Beach. My guess is that the military were trying to build this guard room where the city is planning to widen the road. Qingdao already has enough military hangouts and cars. Now they are battling it out for a place on the sidewalks. Welcome to Friendly (and often backward) Shandong.

  • Quentin

    I’m not buying this. The chengguan would not fuck with the military unless they have a death wish.

  • Chris

    Interesting … couldn’t get my chinasmack fix today (I’m in China) unless I used my VPN. Wonder if this story is the reason … Anyone else have that problem?

  • 如果你能读懂这些文字,你就是个老外

    yeahhh 5,000 years of advanced civilization in harmonious action.

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