Girl Stabbed to Death While Chinese Police Officers Stood By

The surveillance footage.

From NetEase:

2 Police Officers in Anhui Witness Girl Being Killed Without Stopping It, the Police: It Wasn’t Because They Were Afraid of Dying

People’s Daily Online Bengbu, August 22 news — On the afternoon of August 18, a murder happened in Anhui Province Bengbu City Yuhui District Macheng Town: A 17-year-old female supermarket cashier was murdered after being stabbed over 10 times by the killer.

Surveillance footage during the crime showed: While the girl was being choked by the killer and stabbed to death, two police officers stood right in front of them, yet dared not to go forward to stop it. Not until the perpetrator stabbed himself and fell to the ground did the two policemen go forward to subdue him. The two policemen’s behavior was strongly and angrily condemned by the family members of the deceased.

August 21, Director Bao of Bengbu City Public Security Bureau Yuhui District Subbureau responded that the two police officers’ reactions were somewhat slow in their handling of the incident, but there was no cowardice and fear of death.

The supermarket where the murder happened.

The supermarket where the murder happened

Surveillance footage: As killer attacked, police officers stood to the side and watched

On the afternoon of August 18, 17-year-old Bengbu girl Xiao Hu left this world. According to the police bulletin after the incident, the man who killed Xiao Hu was her boyfriend Shen X whom she met through the internet. The place where Xiao Hu was killed is a supermarket in Bengbu Macheng Town. where she worked, just a little more than 200 meters away from her home.

August 20, reporters of People’s Daily Online Anhui Channel exclusively obtained the supermarket surveillance footage of Xiao Hu being murdered. This over one minute long video clearly recorded how Xiao Hu was killed.

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Eyewitness: Pushed the policemen to go save her, but they didn’t

August 21, reporters of this article arrived at the scene of the murder–Macheng Town Weihai Shopping Plaza. The supermarket was already closed. Nearby residents say the supermarket closed down after the murder happened.

After going through a lot of trouble, reporters of this article found supermarket employee Ms. Hu. On the afternoon of August 18, Ms. Hu witnessed the whole incident resulting in the murder of Xiao Hu.

According to Ms. Hu’s recollection, on that afternoon, an employee reported to her that a suspicious man had been hanging about the supermarket for a long time, and had even purchased a kitchen knife and a fruit knife from the supermarket. “I thought at the time that this man was going to rob the store, so I asked cashier Xiao Hu to put away all the cash,” said Ms. Hu. She also called the Macheng Town Police Station, asking the police to come as soon as possible and investigate.

Very quickly, two policemen arrived at the supermarket, but the suspicious man had already left the supermarket. “So the policemen went out to look for him, but with no luck,” said Ms. Hu. Half an hour later, the man turned up again, and she again called the police. As soon as the two policemen walked into the supermarket, the perpetrator grabbed Xiao Hu by her neck, and began attacking her.

“Seeing him stab Xiao Hu with a knife, I was scared to death,” said Ms. Hu. Frightened, she grabbed the policeman next to her by his clothes, screaming repeatedly: ”Go save her! Go save her!” But the policemen didn’t, only shouting at the killer. Reporters of this article saw in the surveillance footage that Ms. Hu was indeed pushing one of the policemen forward to stop the killer, but neither of the police officers went forward.

Ms. Hu then wanted to grab the police officer’s baton, but she was so scared her limbs went numb and failed to grab it. “The police officers were holding their batons and were very close [to the killer]. If they had went forward to intervene, they might’ve been able to stop the killer from killing her.” Ms. Hu felt very sorry and sad for Xiao Hu’s death.

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Comments from NetEase:

Z国真伟大 [网易广东省佛山市网友]:

If the killer pointed the knife at them, would they have tossed away their batons, fallen to their knees, raised their hands and surrendered???

网易北京市网友 ip:114.248.*.*:

Is this dereliction of duty?

网易浙江省杭州市手机网友 [网易浙江省杭州市手机网友]:

A failure to do their duty! They were afraid of losing their own lives, and yet they are paid by taxpayers’ salaries! What do we need this kind of policemen for! If they had put a stop to it, things might have turned out differently! Hate…

1336605151 [网易浙江省金华市义乌市手机网友]: (responding to above)

Speak with your conscience, would you have gone forward to stop him if you encountered someone holding a knife? Police officers are also human, and fearing death is also normal. Don’t make yourself out to be so noble and virtuous.

网易广东省茂名市手机网友 ip: 113.94.*.*: (responding to “网易浙江省杭州市手机网友”)

Those two policemen were indeed wrong, but policemen are also human, don’t ask for too much!

网易江苏省苏州市手机网友 ip: 112.81.*.*: (responding to above)

Sanitation workers are also human, put yourself in their shoes, why should they clean up the streets when the weather is so hot?

网易江西省南昌市手机网友 ip: 111.73.*.*: (responding to “1336605151″ and “ip: 113.94.*.*”)

If so, then policemen should just do nothing and still get paid in the future. There are people who understand anyway. Fear of death? More like no one being able to continue supporting their 4th or 5th mistress, female leaders having needs, and the people counting nothing.

tianguozunzhe [网易江苏省南京市手机网友]: (responding to “1336605151″ and “ip: 113.94.*.*”)

The 2nd and 3rd floor [the 2nd and the 3rd netizen who commented in a thread of comments], please explain, just what is the duty of a police officer? What more, I think corrupt officials are also human. All human beings have desires, so keeping mistresses and corruption are all understandable and forgivable because if it were you, you’d definitely be corrupt as well, so corruption is not a crime.

网易陕西省西安市手机网友 ip:123.138.*.*: (responding to above)

To prevent a crime from happening is police officer’s duty. Since this is the line of work they do, they shouldn’t be compared with ordinary people. It’s just like soldiers in war. When the war is upon them, soldiers must charge forward, even if they are afraid of death. This is what duty is, and there’s no reason at all to justify cowering.

Comments from QQ:

腾讯泉州市网友 素的古道:

Many policemen nowadays are like this. They know there are people fighting, and they let them fight, watching from a distance, then arresting them after both sides are injured. But those people fighting [likely] weren’t good people anyway, so the police handling it that way could be forgivable. But to not do anything in this kind of situation indeed shows a lack of sense of duty. I reckon this kind of policemen only rush forward to be the first when it comes to writing tickets and collecting fines. Failing in one’s duty allowing a living life to die, that’s indirect killing.

腾讯上海市网友 一个人发呆:

“During the two policemen’s handling of this incident, their reactions was a little slow, a little stupid.”
Haha… I’m about to laugh to death…
So this is the character of the people’s police???
Just how did these two people get into the public security system???
It can’t be temporary workers again, can it???

腾讯漳州市网友 №2:

Good thing there’s a surveillance camera, and good thing it wasn’t broken at the time. Even so, the police are still making excuses. Truly without integrity, without humanity.

腾讯厦门市网友 雨秋:

Trash! That police chief should be immediately fired!

腾讯网友 ☆肆哥☆:

This is nothing. Policemen in Foshan Xiqiao watched two brothers being stabbed to death. They only dared to fire 6 shots into the sky, the killer not hurt at all.

腾讯网友 □小徐哥:

With policemen like them, how can the people’s lives and property be protected? This kind of policemen should get lost.

腾讯梧州市网友 阿呆:

Clearly this Chief Bao is nothing good, and simply trash, only knowing how to quibble, so dismiss him first. When the leader is like this, could he still train good soldiers???

腾讯网友 无痕:

MD! I so want to curse someone. I’m so very angry. To be the chief and still quibble and make excuses saying some TMD bullshit like their reaction was slow, what a TMD shitty official. Saying such inhuman [irresponsible] things. If it were your daughter, would you still be talking like this???

腾讯温州市网友 晓风残月:

A young girl dies from the indifference of the police, so sad.

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  • manujoro

    It seems that policemen are only good for throwing babies on the ground

    • mr.wiener

      Ouch!

    • 二奶头发

      They are good at taking bribes too.

      • cocobobolove

        why are you generalizing? It seems like you have so much hate towards Chinese police forces. Bad cops are everywhere.If you want to hear examples i can give you tons, like cops here tie to traffic rings, gang, drug cartels, etc. we hear those terrible things almost too constant in the news. what happened to the young kid here is very unfortunate. On the other hand, I saw tons good cops in China helping youth and elders, and most of them are doing their jobs and protecting citizens.

        • WoRPt

          I agree with you. Look at the shooting in Toronto.

          My problem with Chinese police is that a lot of them are frustrated and have given up on enforcing the law and protecting the people. The police training and understanding of the law (which comes from the training) don’t seem to be adequate. They tend to drive around with their blue and red lights flashing 24/7. In many situations, they don’t tend to resolve situations using actual law. But I don’t believe this situation is anything like a situation of a “bad cop” in North America.

          I think Chinese police (a lot of them) try to help and protect the people, but they simply don’t have the tools (mainly knowledge) to do the job. Even in this video, it looked like one of them, maybe two, were trying to help in their own way.

          • Me

            Look at the shooting in Toronto? If you are talking about the mentally disturbed man recently shot by the Toronto police while brandishing a knife on a public bus then you are an idiot. That was a policeman doing his job. Shooting a man who is waving a knife and threatening people on a public bus is exactly what we should be wanting police to do. That is what makes them useful. Saving me from knife wielding maniacs! Give the Chinese police guns. A more useful kind of population control. Shoot anyone who walks around with a knife.

          • cocobobolove

            I haven’t really read into the Toronto article. my friend and i got into a discussion the other day on what happened in Ga School just couple days ago. He is totally agree with you on “capital punishment on whoever in dangers of others regardless of mental states”. Don’t you think he deserves a trial? Again, I don’t want anyone unfairly plays insanity plea living on my block…

          • WoRPt

            China seems a very fitting place for you. Anyways, you know you’re right, I’ll leave it at that. Had friends that were there, but not gonna bother getting into any of that.

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            weak

          • The Enlightened One

            Hey dude,

            Would you prefer a knife waving nut job shot or your daughter stabbed to death… because in a split second decision… those can be the two alternative outcomes.

            Of course, most people would prefer to subdue the crazy pricks and have nobody get hurt, but sometimes that is simply just not the case.

            I would rather shoot the guy, then stand-by and see a young innocent girl get stabbed 10 times. That’s just me.

          • WoRPt

            If it happened when someone was in danger, that’s one thing. But from witnesses (people I know) it didn’t. The cops showed up after. There was no one on the streetcar. Meiyou. Nil. Nada. Just the guy and his knife in one hand, his cock in the other. If he was holding the knife to someone, then, sure. But there was no one in danger. I’m not stating 100% of what happened. I’m just saying, that’s far more of a case than this one.

          • WoRPt

            Love how nobody wants to talk about the issue, just hate on what they think they know. Starting to understand some of these nationalists.

        • 二奶头发

          I love it when people say “I can give you tons of examples. etc.” If you would please show us the TONS of examples because I would like to see you spending the next couple of hours combing the internet and posting links.

        • chan ka kui

          I concur.there are corrupt cops everywhere including Western countries like austalia.e.g corrupt custom officials importing drugs into australia hand in hand with drug cartels.

          http://www.smh.com.au/national/customs-staff-linked-to-airport-drug-ring-20121219-2bncn.html

          furthermore the word on the street is bikie gangs are trying to infiltriate the vic police and possibly nsw police.

          http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-03-27/victoria-police-officers-warned-over-bikie-infiltration/4596246

          • cocobobolove

            Thanks for the interesting reads. Well, thats very unfortunate… People see the world two ways, “the benevolent way or the malevolent way”. Bad things happen is part of the process to make our society move forward.

        • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

          More retarded Chinese excuses for stupidity and weakness.
          This is why things like this happen in the first place.
          Weak people.
          Grow some balls.

          • cocobobolove

            I would rather not to grow a ball. That would be utterly unattractive on a girl. I am not giving any excuse on what happened here. Yes, there are tons cowards out there. And its government’s job to protect our property (by which i meant lives, estate and liberties).

        • Jahar

          Here? you mean in China? or do you live in another country where you just assume everyone knows you are?

          If you haven’t lived in China and seen the way the police are, you shouldn’t be defending them. Also the “Well these guys are bed too!” defense is a pretty shitty defense.

          • cocobobolove

            I don’t live in China but yes I grow up in China, and I visit china often those days. And how much do you know about China Jahar? I love where i work and live now, and i also enjoy my life in China. Of course, china needs improvement in many different ways as i Said before. However, I would rather be part of the change, help them (Chinese people) or us (people in the State)build a better system and not sitting here defense myself to you who obviously done nothing to better the society.

          • Jahar

            I’ve lived in China for the last 4 years and I have to deal with police and other government workers 2 or 3 times a year, at least.
            How could you possibly have any idea of what I do or don’t do to better society? You know nothing about me other than what I post on here.

        • AsteroidSized Zit

          Why are you wasting time being civil with low quality posters? They are not interested in discussions, they are trolls. They are the same ones who keep talking about the run over baby in China, but dont dare google search “toddler beaten to death” or “baby beaten to death” or “baby raped” and see the reality of their own countries.

    • ludicrous

      Best comment so far! I winced but that is what truth does.

    • slob

      Policeman 1 : Hey bro check out this dude stabbing this lady on the ground
      Policeman 2 : Yeah, do you think she’s real or just a toy?
      Policeman 1 : I dunno. Let’s wait until he’s done stabbing her to find out.
      Policeman 2 : Sounds like a plan. Lunch?
      Policeman1 : Lunch.

      • Repatriated

        More like:

        P1: Woah! He’s actually stabbing her! What should we do??
        P2: I dunno ’bout you, but I’m scared shitless! Maybe if I throw this empty box at him he’ll stop!
        P1: Pull out your baton! Maybe he’ll see it and be afraid!
        P2: Too late, she’s dead, he stabbed himself…so NOW that he’s on the ground flopping like a fish outta water, I can hit him with some pepper spray!
        P1: Phew! That was close! We could have actually been injured had we tried to save her!

    • AsteroidSized Zit

      Funny, google “toddler beaten to death” and all I see are western examples.

      • biggj

        “But…but..but..but..but. Westerners do it to!!”

        We know guy…..we know..anything you have done, we have done worse.

        • AsteroidSized Zit

          Reality doesnt change. I dare you to google it and say I am lying.

          • biggj

            And search how many baby girls are killed in china every year for just being a girl. Or forced abortions, and are you saying baby murders don’t happen in china? Western media reports it better than China, Just search for that same thing in chinese on baidu…and mostly chinese stories come up.

          • AsteroidSized Zit

            Oh I think you have strange delusions about abortions being murder. In which case I would tell you to go search US abortion rates.

            However, as far as google is concerned, raping toddlers or beating them to death is dominated by the west.

          • biggj

            Point is shit happens everywhere….why compare china to the “west” every time something bad happens…like trying to deflect it????Only insecure people do that. When the story is about america “who is the west to chinese people” than we talk shit about that. The topic here is china…

          • AsteroidSized Zit

            As I already explained, the topic has shifted several times. And talking about the poster (me) rather than the content is the lowest level of topic shifting.

            The original comment I replied to thought it was clever to use this opportunity to talk about treatment of babies/toddlers. So I acquiesced .

          • biggj

            No, you took that opportunity to say how the west is worse than china. And to make china not seem so bad. And how it’s a western dominated search result. It’s not hard to see.

          • AsteroidSized Zit

            I dont need these examples to make China seem not so bad. If i wanted to make the west look bad, there are only a million other things I could talk about.

            I followed the other guys lead. This story has nothing to do with babies or toddlers, but if that is what you guys want to talk about then that is fine with me.

            Or is it police you want to focus on? That is fine as well. Id rather have incompetent police over murdering police any day.

          • biggj

            But he is talking about what a chinese policemen did. And this story is about what chinese policemen do…or didn’t do. And by the looks of it was meant to be a serious comment anyway. We know all chinese police don’t hurt babies….like 0.01% maybe.

          • AsteroidSized Zit

            Uhh the stories are not connected in anyway. They are not related at all. If we pretend they are, they are no MORE connected to each other than any police story period.

          • biggj

            What is more connected to this story? A chinese police officer not doing is job and hurting a baby, or baby being murdered in a foreign country? The story is about police!!!

          • AsteroidSized Zit

            None, none of them have anything to do with each other. That is what you struggle to understand. Unless it is the same guy, which you tried to incorrectly imply, they are not connected at all.

            If you want to pretend unrelated stories are connected just because it took place in China, that is geographic. Ill just connect with profession. Or victim.

          • biggj

            Whatever you say. But for you to go from what the original guy said to google and see how many westerners kill babies, implying that the west is far worse than china….why would you do that? To save some chinese “face”? it’s ok…no one cares…you don’t have to defend or deflect anything.

          • AsteroidSized Zit

            I dont know how many times I have to tell you. I did what he did, just instead of geographical i used profession and victim.

            To clarify, I didnt not search for western anything. I did a generic search and it just happened to have a bunch of stories in the west LOL.

          • biggj

            Yeah I did the same thing in mandarin and 90% were chinese stories about chinese people….and on baidu almost all were about china. But you imply that this pretty much only happens in the west. That is my point…and if you deny that, you are a liar.

          • AsteroidSized Zit

            Ehh Google did that, not me. Again, if there is a Chinese story you think I cant find, tell me and ill find it on Google. Are you making excuses?

          • biggj

            I know you can…but you can’t find them all in the english language. I can’t read Chinese, so I don’t know…google translate is all I use.

          • AsteroidSized Zit

            K this is getting ridiculous. You are not why I am here.

          • biggj

            yes it is.

          • mr.wiener

            And why are you here exactly? To stand up for the Chinese or to educate the deluded westerners?
            For mine, I’d not claim the west is any better or worse than China, attitudes and expectations are different however.

          • AsteroidSized Zit

            I am here to participate in the troll fest known as Chinasmack. duh. Whatever delusions you have about this site, its reputation is clear. A site that only exists to translate what Chinese say and picks only the attention grabbing stories. No surprise it attracted the lowest quality trolls. You have the story, then the comments, then the translation, then the comments on the translated story/comments. LMAO it is so far down the ladder. Normal people dont care about Chinese comments in the first place. Then we have Chinasmack LOL.

            That and it is no fun else where anymore. America is getting trashed all over the place ever since the NSA revelations. Everywhere from the major newsnetwork youtube channels to Reddit. Everytime I want to make a snide comment, not only has it been made, it is the highest rated. So why bother.

          • mr.wiener

            Gosh it must be terrible to be you. Life just ain’t any fun when the whole world becomes snide elitists.

          • Khanthologism

            Are you Khanthology? My long lost inferiority complexed brother? You insecure weak skinny boy, you. All the White guys taking your women.. what are you gonna do?

          • POS

            Yea they need to start an “America Smack” to compensate (they always seem to be compensating for something), I guess Hidden Harmonies doesn’t get them the interaction with the White Man that they desperately seem to need and crave (to the point of becoming self-flagellating homo-erotica).

          • biggj

            Yeah, like this site is chinese stories. So the comments will be about china…good or bad…and chinese people think it’s some kind insult to them because the discussion is always about china.

          • POS

            Yea, read any Sina or Global Times article about a death or accident in the US and half of the comments are basically 死得好, etc etc. This site is kids gloves compared to the BS Chinese write over on their comment sections… its like they think we can’t read Chinese or something. But Zit Kahn-Rou etc are raised on the propaganda that they are the victims so they can’t really grasp the complexity of the real world where a site devoted to popular Chinese news articles might actually have some critical comments about modern Chinese society by -gasp- foreigners. Actually I think they like being victims, it helps them rationalize their own insecurities and shift blame.

          • Khanthologism

            missed your prozac this morning? instead of bringing others down, khan is here to help you and others like you who live a sad life caused by the yellows?

            from now on, Zit Kahn-Rou will uplift you whenever I come across your anger. not sure what those Chinese men did to you, but F em! poor pos.

            its time for change, and khanthologism is all about helping the sad, angry and ugly. no more calling out ugly feminists and gay beta males.

            Here’s a smiley face to you, cheer up:

            =)

          • Khanthologism

            yes, Im going to upvote you, woooo, i upvoted you!

            POS KHAN CREW 4 LIFE

          • Repatriated

            LOL. Delusions is a great vocab word for you to know. Go read the definition….

        • AsteroidSized Zit

          “baby beaten to death” Also a western dominated search result.

          “baby raped” Wow. You dont even want to do this search.

          Man ‘raped a baby leaving her hospitalized and requiring surgery’
          Anthony Dean Blackwell was wanted on charges of raping a child he was babysitting on June 9 in Pulaski, Tennessee
          Less than 24 hours after being added to the Tennessee Bureau of Investigations Top Ten Most Wanted list, Blackwell was apprehended outside a bar in Huntsville, AlabamaHe is being held without bond at the Madison County Jail

          JULY 2013. That is barely a month ago.

          • POS

            Wow crude wumaoish attempts at saving Chinese
            “face” but actually coming off as an inferiority complex having pantywaste instead, good job!

          • AsteroidSized Zit

            LOL Clearly supported by the fact you couldnt address any of the content. You are trying to shift the topic to me, away from these real sad stories. I would too tbh.

          • biggj

            It’s actually you trying to shift the topic…..from what chinese to to what americans do.

          • AsteroidSized Zit

            Hardly, the topic has shifted already. The comment I originally replied to has nothing to do with this story, except that both are about police. Well then, by that same ‘connection’ im referencing stories about babies and toddlers.

            However, focusing on the poster instead of the content is easily the lowest hanging fruit in regards to topic shifting. Why even reply if the reply addresses literally NOTHING I said.

          • POS

            Look topic shift, >> well at least us westerners don’t have police who slam babies on the ground! blah blah blah
            http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-23751031

            now don’t try to change the topic, this is the new topic. I’ll brand you a topic changer otherwise!

          • POS

            No thats your “job” (as evidenced by your 50centing history on Discus). Get back to work Khan-Rou, those wumaos don’t just grow on trees!

          • AsteroidSized Zit

            Uh huh. When you can actually reply to the content, let me know hahaha. This is too easy. Having a large circle jerk, doesnt mean anything if you are all low level.

          • POS

            “When you can actually reply to the content” you know how utterly moronic that sounds coming from a wumao?

          • AsteroidSized Zit

            Nope, dont care either. Let me know when you actually plan to address what I said.

          • POS

            I don’t address the bait and switch topics of wumaos, understand? How ’bout you address the topic of this article which has to do with Chinese police instead of bringing up some diversionary dribble about the “West”, oh yea thats your job I forgot.

          • AsteroidSized Zit

            Again, if you cant reply to the post, why reply at all? LMAO. I didnt divert any more than the original comment. Your obsession over me is strange though. My job is none of your business actually LOL. (tongue in cheek, wonder if you can notice how ‘diversionary’ you are)

          • POS

            Lol you really are that same troll that comes around here from time to time, what is it Rou, Jeffery Wu, etc etc. Make up your mind kid. Nobody cares about Chinasmack you say yet here you are day after day week after week. Inferiority complex sums it all up, I recommend counseling.

          • mr.wiener

            Checked the accounts and they are not the same. They could of course made up elaborate multiple IDs, but I doubt it.

          • POS

            Hard to say but if not its kind of scary how borg like they are in their responses to these articles, same exact tactics and verbiage. Of course you can always jump on TOR browser and be in 3 different locations posting. Seems like they don’t get their fill over at Hidden (dis)Harmony.

          • Khanthologism

            exactly they are all borgrobotic mechanical dummy like. ewwwwww. i hate hate hate hate and more hate all those inferior complexed men who are afraid we will steal their women. this place is not a harmonious society that the movies depicted. so decieved, like sooooooo deceived… ewwwww

          • Khanthologism

            you’re wrong, all the accounts must be under Khanthology. that eccentric, eclectic, elaborate douchebag is hurting my pos. poor baby.

          • Khanthologism

            its all under Khanthology. you should bring him back and put him in his place and call him a double inferior complexed insecure pure blooded asian oriental man who is scared foreigners are taking all the women of asia. booooooo =(

          • Guest

            He’s not wrong, but he’s not right. Chinasmack (and foreigners in China, in general) are so concerned with proving themselves better than everyone else, it’s not funny. Not that the pro Chinese are much better. It’s like watching kids fight in a sandbox. “Wah! You foreigners suck!” “Wah! You always say that!” “Wah! But you really suck, follow these links!” “Wah! You really really suck, follow these links!” So happy to be out of there where I can just watch both of you make fools of yourself and laugh. “Sucks” exists all over the world. But most here are so jaded and stupid, all they can do is stone throw. Discussions seldom blossom, it’s nothing more than childish name calling and constant “Googling” and “Baiduing” to prove who’s right. Good luck guys. Sure you’re making a difference in the world. N-E ways gotta get back to work.

          • cocobobolove

            Its like watching Jerry Springer show. Wishing ourselves are not on the stages but doing nothing helping domestic violence and abuse (the real issue). Criticizing without a solution and putting down others only can increase our self-esteem in a short term. Constant making other negative in return inviting negative to ourselves. I would rather see a place people offer solution how to better the system. Growing some balls certainly is not a practical solution.

          • Khanthologism

            Hi, are you Asian? if so, you have an INFERIORITY COMPLEX. you are very very and i mean very insecure about yourself and shy. have a good day!

            POS KHAN CREW 4 LIFE!

          • Khanthologism

            its time to make peace. stop picking on POS. we must admit we are inferior to everyone and very insecure with a insecure complex of some sort. we must not complain about foreigners boning chinese or asian women and continue to act like lloyd from entourage when next to a foreign man.. we must continue to fake smile and laugh when around everyone… its time to bow down to women and foreigners… happy now?

          • biggj

            You are typing in English on a western search engine….. of course mostly western stories will come up.

          • AsteroidSized Zit

            Irrelevant, Google is the most comprehensive search engine available and it uses english. I can easily find Chinese stories searching in english.

          • biggj

            Bullshit, When you search in English, you get English topics. You can find some…but only English sources…hardly anything will come up from chinese language site. Search that same thing in mandarin and see what comes up??? Do you think you will be on american sites and english websites?? pfff And the news will be mainly china news.

          • AsteroidSized Zit

            Uhhh how old are you? You seem unaware of how things work. China is heavily reported in the west. Every major news outlet has Chinese stories CNN, Fox, NBC, BBC, NYT, etc. etc. etc.

            Name me a Chinese story and see if I cant find it from google. Dare you.

          • biggj

            I’m sure you can, if you type it in mandarin. Not every story you look for will be in english.

          • AsteroidSized Zit

            Prove it. Tell me a story and ill search for it in english.

          • biggj

            All the stories I know are in english. SO yes they will come up.

          • Chernobog

            Stop being a sarcastic arrogant prick, and he may lay off?

          • Khanthologism

            stop picking on POS!

        • guest

          Typical response. Get a macro.

      • POS

        Inferiority complex strikes again~~ That “West” really has you feeling insecure little boy.

        • AsteroidSized Zit

          If that is what you wish to believe it is your choice. What I said was true.

        • Khanthologism

          mad aint ya? i like, do more of this =)

      • spenxer@yahoo.com

        What more is there to say, Khan-Rou-Zit?

        http://t.qkme.me/3q0849.jpg

        • AsteroidSized Zit

          What more? You havent said anything yet lmao.

        • Chernobog

          Hahahaha, priceless!!!!

        • Khanthologism

          is this all you got? i want to see more =)

  • Alex

    man chinese police are as useful s a fart in an elevator….what a f**king travesty, not saying mine are big, but policemen should join the police only if they have balls, were they throwing products at the guy? amazing

    • manujoro

      At a certain moment they were throwing an empty carton box at the guy! Must have caused him great injuries.

    • Jeff

      Alex please don’t downplay farts – they have a serious use to the body

    • mr.wiener

      Farts at least serve a purpose and get a reaction, particularly in an elevator. To use the argot of me homeland: these guys are as useless as tits on a bull.

      • Chernobog

        love these aussie sayings, my fave is from crocodile dundee, every man and his dog knows your nothing but a bloody poacher!!!

    • Jahar

      I don’t think it’s just a matter of balls, it’s a matter of integrity, honor, and value of human life. I would Jump in, not because I’m brave or anything, but because I have to. There’s not a choice there for me. I have to.

  • biggj

    How are you suppose to shoot bad guys if you don’t have any guns?

    • mr.wiener

      I think they could have put up a better show than throwing a plastic stool, an empty box and gingerly giving him a bit of pepper spray while she was being stabbed.
      I’m not try to be a Monday quarter back , but apparently they had truncheons. I’d like to have seen them crack that bastard’s head so hard his ancestors woulds have felt it.
      “not afraid of dying”? More like afraid of getting involved.

      • the ace of books

        More like afraid of getting involved.

        With this I would agree, and add — this is the root of the problem. This is precisely why these guys are not policemen. Oh, they’ve got the uniforms on, but that means nothing. They’re not protecting and serving, they’re not keeping the public peace, they’re not enforcing the law. These are bystanders, nothing more.

    • 剑胆琴心

      so we should train our police guys to throw a knife…
      one of my high school mate became a police but fight against drugs,he is a very respectful guy from high school already…though his family is very very poor…i do respect him…
      every year in my province always several police die because of drug business…they are good one….

      • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

        typical Chinese reaction, make piss poor excuses for bad people. this is why piss weak men like this exist, because their allowed to.
        Grow some balls.

        • cocobobolove

          What is your solution to all the problem in the word besides criticizing?!

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            to listen…something Chinese dont do

      • Chernobog

        die of or THROUGH the drug business? Have you ever thought how these KTV’s stay open eattot?

      • The Enlightened One

        Yes, would you rather you get stabbed to death?

        I think it would be an improvement over throwing cardboard boxes and plastic stools.

        • Chernobog

          Old Illumaniti one. Are you still in shenzhen shi?

          • The Enlightened One

            Nope, I am in Xi’an now. Never lived in Shenzhen, only visited a few times.

          • Chernobog

            Forgive me, and I apologize profusely if wrong, but weren’t you serpentza (zuid afrika!) never could spell dutch/afrikaans sorry in advance. Good luck up in the northwest, do try the rou jia mo, it is stellar!

      • KAMIKAZIPILOT

        Knife throwing? No way. That requires a much higher degree of skill than some other neutralizing weapons available. You also only get one shot. Pepper spray, tasers, collapsible batons are all better than throwing knives.

      • linette lee

        dear bunny. This is not chinese hk movies. They don’t throw knives at bad guys. Not slow motion neither. And no ninja stars. No flying whip. The police they don’t fly neither like we see in the movies. And no the polices don’t jump down 3 stories building while chasing bad guys like we see in jacky chen movies.

        none of these:

        http://i.istockimg.com/file_thumbview_approve/9223881/2/stock-illustration-9223881-super-ninja-throwing-a-shuriken-star.jpg
        or this

        http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/c/c2/Underworld-RazorWhip-1.jpg/600px-Underworld-RazorWhip-1.jpg

      • Jahar

        Even though he’s poor, you still respect him? That’s nice.

  • twelve ways

    I’m typically against the death penalty on principle but these two pussies deserve it. To send a message to the millions of other pseudo cops if for nothing else.

    • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

      I agree, their crime is as bad as the killer.

    • Mony Xie

      Who knows polices will ever have to deal with these dangerous criminals anyway? Shouldn’t their job be like sitting in the office and walking on the street relaxing?
      Can’t blame them.

      • Chernobog

        So are you serpentza or is the illumaniti handle poster serpentza?

  • y.m.

    pussy ass cops. nuff said.

  • Germandude

    I can’t think of anything else than sarcasm after reading this shit. Here it comes:

    So with these kind of guys China wants to crush Japan on the island dispute?

    • The Enlightened One

      I think they got a better chance if they send their women and elderly… at least they can take a hit… or a fall…

      I honestly think the women are tougher than the men here. For real.

      • Chernobog

        An empty culture of being afraid of the strong while bullying the weak. I had a gang of chinese attack me just for giving water and bread to a homeless older chinese man? Their reason, I was trying to make them look bad, so it is this culture of “Qi Ruan Pa Ying” that is entirely wrong. bully those considered to be meek, but be afraid of bigger bullies. After that I would walk around with a scowl, and would pretend not to know chinese, and just bark orders at people without saying qing or xie xie, and did I get a change in attitude, you bet. They are used to being spoken to that way, not with kindness. Kindness is taken for weakness, alas, as I found out,to my detriment. Good luck!

        • The Enlightened One

          Too bad they didn’t take care of their own with the same passion they used to attack you. There is a level of insecurity here that I have never witnessed back home.

          But being nice depends a lot on with who and the gender matters quite a bit. Women or younger men are usually very quick to say “You’re Welcome” in a nice tone like they appreciate you actually saying “Xie xie”.

          Older people, especially like middle aged men try to bully others all the time to try and build up their own ego and “face”.

          It depends, like everything.

          • Chernobog

            Thanks for the support pal! It was a lesson I learnt I can tell you. Put me off ever visiting Hunan again (where it happened!). The central provinces are the most xenophobic and untrusting of all imho. Hope xian is ok! You are right about the middle aged men having to act like the big cock all the time, lol

          • ludicrous

            Small Cock.. :-)

          • Chernobog

            small mind, I shall invoke satan on you tonight dear boy!

          • ludicrous

            Oh I am sorry bro! That comment was in response to ‘…middle aged men having to act like the BIG cock…’ it was more fitting, (pun unintended hahahahaha!) to write small cock?

          • Chernobog

            sorry man, my fault, was a tad paranoid!!!

          • Chernobog

            no harm nor foul!

          • Khanthologism

            are you asian male? if so, you have an inferiority complex and you must be very insecure especially right now! my china wife says f you. and we will take all your women!

            btw, my wife and i have been happily married for 14 years.

            POS KHAN CREW 4 LIFE!

        • firebert5

          As a former cop, all I can do is shake my head at this. I couldn’t finish the video. The moment I say the uniforms throwing boxes while the guy just kept on stabbing like nothing was happening around him, I just about lost it and had to walk around the room to cool off.

        • winterbitten

          Attack you how? How did you fare? How many were there?

          Come on man, give us the details!

          I also want to say I kind of agree with Enlightened on the attitude. The people who irk me the most are the middle aged dudes. God I wanna punch so many of them in the face. The younger ones are usually just kind of annoying but you can tell they’re just curious. It’s the older guys who genuinely look like they want to spit on you as you walk by.

          • Chernobog

            Attack was probably a bit dramatic, in hindsight, it was more shouting, pushing and shoving. When it got a bit heavy, the security guards (college I was working at was very nearby), after I dived through the pedestrian gate, hauled me back, and slammed the gate shut. They could not simply stand to see an outsider taking care of one of their own more unfortunate and assumed I was doing it to humiliate or ridicule them. I was not, I just gave him some hot water in a flask I bought, and some bread from a nearby cake shop. Such is the lack of compassion and xenophobia in that province, i will never venture there again. Hope that clears it up! Cheers.

          • dave

            The guards assisted you? Or hauled you back out to the mob?

          • Chernobog

            assisted. thanks for your post!

          • YungBruce

            Circle jerks usually consist of hyperbole. That’s how you reach the climax. Wallowing in your own mental jizz. Truly envious of your skill.

      • ludicrous

        Hey man! How have you been? Long time. I have been away, just recently got on this site again. I see Risible news here still…hahahah…

      • YungBruce

        You’re poor and uneducated with an ugly wife.

      • Bear

        Funny enough for you to say this, considering you had to travel to a third world country to find a wife.

        You must have been the lonely virgin loser at your high school.

        I mean jesus, the woman in your picture looks like an ugly yellow toad.

    • Mighty曹

      Maybe the policemen are better suited to provide shades for women on a sunny day.

      • Germandude

        50-50 chance they would even fail at that. Wanna bet?

    • Winterbitten

      Please understand this before reading on. I don’t necessarily support or think highly of the police force in general and even less so for those in China.

      I really don’t imagine police training here being on the same level as what it is in other countries. They’re also not equipped the same. Think about it, China feel it’s a relatively peaceful country. Perhaps they train their officers to deal with knives and maybe even guns to a certain degree… but do you think it’s ongoing? Do you think they factor in the stress? How often do they come across these situations on a day to day basis? This is for the average, run of the mill cop here in China (not any kind of specialized force/officer).

      Don’t blame the individuals. They could be you in a blue uniform. How would you have reacted? Instead, blame the system that produced and allowed these two to become police officers. Blame the system that’s set up in a way where they aren’t able to be armed in a way that would protect them and the citizens in their charge.

      Let’s put fear aside. Knives are very dangerous. it’s not like you can learn some aikido and start disarming and tossing people around like Steven Segal. Adrenaline kicks in and your thinking is off, your reaction time is off, and everything you practiced goes out the door. Go to any true self defense class, book, dvd, trainer, and they always recommend you run from a knife. Because if you are within range you’re almost guaranteed to get cut. It’s very difficult to safely disarm a knife as far as I know, more so than it is to disarm a gun

      Even with a baton it would have been risky and I think by the time they would have been able to react she was probably already stabbed too many times.

      Again, put yourself in their shoes. I already know most of you would say you’d do something right away and I’d like to think I would to but I guess we’ll never know truly until we’re in that situation. It’s scary, and I’m sure these guys weren’t trained to handle this kind of stuff. They shouldn’t be police officers if that’s the case, but then that just means that the people who put them in that uniform are more to blame than the individuals who didn’t know what to do. And for anyone who cares enough to be angry at something, it would make more sense to be angry at that system than at these two people.

      • winterbitten

        Huh? Why did it post this here? I clicked reply to the other comment you made that’s at the top… not this one! =x

      • chandlerpatrick

        It’s not only a “police training” issue – it’s a definite lack of balls issue. Like I said, nobody wants to get hurt on the job – any job, but if you are looking for something a little more safe, police officer is not the job for you.
        I do agree that the system is producing these boobs – and the system is partly to blame.
        The cops are so unintimidating here. I can’t remember the last time I heard of an “officer friendly” incident here…

        • YungBruce

          Cops are not empowered with ideas of grandeur and authority in China. No sensational hero cop fantasies. They know it’s a shit job with shit pay without benefits. They are hired eyeballs. Any heroism on their part will go unrewarded.

      • Jahar

        sorry man, i have no training and i would still do more than those guys did. I know I would. Blame the system all you want but humans still have a responsibility towards one another. Even if tey weren’t cops this would piss me off.

        • Winterbitten

          How would you have handled the situation? Specifically what would you have done and how would you have done it to save her?

          Weren’t there two women in there as well? I don’t agree it’s human **responsibility** but if you want to argue that then why aren’t you angry with them as well?

          • Jahar

            It’s the duty of a police officer to enforce the law. A certain about of fear is to be expected, especially from average citizens, but police are expected to do more.

            What would I have done? It’s really hard to say, since I wasn’t there, and there are so many factors involved, it would be difficult to predict. But I wouldn’t have thrown a box at him. 2 cops, one could go around behind him easily enough. And they were armed with batons.

            You don’t agree it’s the responsibility of people to do their best to not let one another be murdered in front of each other? You’re a good guy, it seems. And I’m sure if you were that girl, you would be changing your mind pretty fast.

        • YungBruce

          Jahar it’s been half a year and you’re still an idiot.

      • Kai

        Very reasonable comment though I think the “blame the system” argument has its practical limits, which must be determined by honest consideration. Sometimes, it really is just someone who simply fucked up when people were counting on him/her. People make mistakes. To some extent, yes, who we are and what we do is shaped by everything that has come before, but we can surprise ourselves as much as we surprise others. Even the people who swear they would have done something could fuck up and end up being just as useless as these cops were in a similar situation.

        • Khanthologism

          You have an inferiority complex, you are insecure and afraid that us foreign men (mostly from the west) are taking your women! you have an asian male inferiority complex!

          POS KHAN CREW 4 LIFE

          • Kai

            LoL, I thought you said you weren’t going to comment on cS anymore? Still spinning lyrical hate? I thought your earlier comments were better at it. The one’s I’ve seen lately don’t have the same over-the-top zing of the earlier ones. Either that or I’ve just gotten used to it and require a higher bar to be met.

          • Khanthology

            you are a chinese man that moderates a site that bashes the chinese. nothing but hate here, and you call out the khan for saying so little compared to the rest? you appoint a racist to help you moderate. and you follow the works of a self hater girl. do you ever look in front of the mirror and ask yourself, why? maybe all the feminists at berkeley tweaked you up a bit. don’t be a lloyd, kai.

            goodbye.

          • BestFriendsForeverOnly

            You cannot blame the guy for trying to get into Fauna’s pants. The things boys will do to get acceptance.

          • Scream_Writer

            lol :)

        • Winterbitten

          I’m not debating that they messed up; that’s a given. I also understand anyone is capable of freezing (though to argue this, police/military forces are supposed to be trained for these situations which is why have them protect us instead civilians).

          I’m pointing out that these incidents aren’t rare, and that it’s worth being angry at the people who issue these people badges rather than reject them. Until then, situations like these aren’t going to lose momentum.

          • Kai

            Yeah, I get what you’re getting at. I suppose a response would be that it’s hard to blame the system for giving these two guys badges unless they knew these two guys would freeze, and it would be hard to make a reasonable prediction that they could freeze in a critical moment unless they had a history of doing so. What if these guys passed all their tests and previously demonstrated no indication they’d fuck up letting people down when they were needed the most?

            But don’t get me wrong, I know what point you’re making, I’m just making conversation, part of the whole “honest consideration” thing. It’s just mental exercise to question question question.

        • cynic-AL

          I disagree with you Kai. I argue that it IS a “blame the system” argument. If it were one officer, I would chalk it up to nerves, self-preservation, inexperience, etc…But when there are two policemen who stand idly by, in my view, it clearly has to be the system. Further, in my three years in China, I have never seen a policeman do anything other than direct traffic or take an accident report. I’ve never even seen them write a traffic ticket!

          • Kai

            Um, I said “the ‘blame the system’ argument has its practical limits”, not that this instance is one where it does or doesn’t apply.

            One police officer is a poor sample group. Two isn’t much better. Neither is the personal (possibly selective) memory of someone who has been in China for three years. I mean, I’ve been in China much longer than you have and I’ve seen police write a traffic ticket and do more than direct traffic or take an accident report. Do we offset or negate each other as data?

            To be clear, I understand what impression you have. I’m just saying you and I both know the limits of personal impressions and anecdotes. I’m also saying there are better arguments to support blaming the system, as Winterbitten and I have alluded to in our conversation.

            As I said in another comment, if there was more compelling evidence that “the system” knew that these officers would be so ineffective and still put them responsible for this situation, then we’d have a good argument for blaming the system. Until then, it’s still possible these two guys just fucked up personally and there’s no real direct blame to extend to the system. Plus, there are much better examples of system failure than this.

    • Duke

      Couldn’t have said it better myself! there is a reason why “big and powerful” China got its ass kicked twice(in the past) by “tiny” Japan. No shortage pussies like this.

      • AsteroidSized Zit

        Delusional. Japan failed miserably the first time and the Ming cemented its domination of the region. The only time Japan had some success was when the Qing was already collapsing, and China was in the MIDDLE OF A CIVIL WAR.

        • biggj

          Japan kicked china’s ass a few times.1894 they kick there ass to take control of Korea. In 1932 made 70,000 troop flee Shanghai…there are a bunch of incidents like that. Nanjing…..?

          • AsteroidSized Zit

            Learn to read. As I already stated, Japanese only dared to attack when the Qing was collapsing and China was in the middle of a civil war. There is no success in these circumstances.

        • Repatriated

          Japan could take China right now without ally support.

          • YungBruce

            6 upvotes on this farce. Laughably delusional.

        • Anon E Moose

          Excuses, excuses…

          Sounds like anybody that wants to invade China ends up having their way.

          Take the mongols and other nomadic peoples. Compared to their larger sedentary neighbor to the south, they must be starting off w/ a disadvantage of being outnumbered 10-to-one.

    • dave

      They want someone to CRUSHJapan. Someone with guns.

      They’ll stand behind someone with guns.

    • AsteroidSized Zit

      Except Chinese ships are still around the islands and Japan has demonstrated ZERO ability to administer them.

      • biggj

        If china is so tough why don’t they take the islands back? And you know Japan can only fight when they are attacked right?? After WW2 they can’t attack anyone….only can defend. So what is the harm in letting china act tough and drive ships around the island?? Make china look stupid.

        • AsteroidSized Zit

          If that is what you believe, then there is no problem. Chinese ships can keep doing whatever they want. You say take the islands back, from what? Japan hasnt been able to adminster them in the first place.

      • POS

        At the end of the day the islands are still Japanese and you are still just running your mouth, all talk. Too bad keyboard warriors don’t win wars because thats all China seems to have.

        • mr.wiener

          He seems to be a [Taiwanese] very well informed troll who has come here looking for a fight, please do not oblige him or respond to his baiting:……”your inability to come up with a proper rebuttal…..etc” shtick.

          • POS

            I know, sorry~~

          • Khanthologism

            hey hoe, im feeling my inferiority complex go haywire and just keyboard warrior pimpslapped you.

          • mr.wiener

            I’m certain he’ll need some cream for that burn.

          • Khanthologism

            as if pos and everyone else here aint a troll

    • TheDon

      Chinese people guys are cowards , the girls got the balls they should have,the a only time they do something is when there is a group attacking a single person, other than that,useless people

      • Khanthologism

        Are you an Asian male? If so, you have an inferiorioririty complex and afraid we will take all your women… guess what? WE WILL!!!!!!

        POS KHAN CREW 4 LIFE!

        • mr.wiener

          Available in T-shirts with extra large neck holes so you can get your head through them.

    • trouse

      haha and yet they thought they are powerful, powerful smell.

    • YungBruce

      lol

  • Ivan Teo

    Thank god i am not living in China.

  • firebert5

    If the reason they didn’t go forward to help isn’t because of cowardice as the Public Security Bureau so states, then the only alternative seems to be that they simply didn’t care. Isn’t that worse? If they can’t or won’t protect anyone, what’s the point of police? Just use military. No need to waste public funds on these guys and their ilk.

  • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

    Totally disgusted with these coppers, more proof that men here are so frigin weak.
    There are a hundred different things they could of done with no risk to them self’s, like bouncing the fcking till of this lunatics head.
    No hind sight needed here, it was a easy situation to deal with, any western dude would of sorted that out.
    Its pure cowardliness and stupidity.
    I hope they coppers get dealt with.

    • ludicrous

      Agree with you. For once:-) But not only western men, any real man would have stepped in.

    • slob

      The thing is, they are obviously the policemen called when there’s trouble which means they’re trained to deal with these situations. I’ve seen people getting robbed in broad daylight and the traffic cops or low security just watch on because it’s ‘not their job’. These guys on the other hand were called in because of a suspicious guy with a knife. Surely they must have prepared beforehand the event of a maniac that might attack people and therefore SHOULD have been ready for physical altercation. After seeing shit like this, how can people here trust the police to protect them? What the fuck are their taxes paying for exactly?

      Dead girl : “I work hard as a cashier, I pay my taxes for police protection, they sit there watching me die. I love my country.”

      • Me

        “obviously trained to deal with these situations.” HA

        Chinese policemen in rural Hunan dont receive training.

        but you are correct about a Chinese teen girl still loving her country though it is filled with a bunch of useless selfish cowardly people who are all perfectly OK with watching her die. It is her Motherland. It has 5000 years of history.

      • Jahar

        “I love my country.” Classic.

    • http://www.richardfordphotography.com/ Richard Ford

      These shops also have brooms and mops usually in plain site. Or pick up a magazine rack and charge him. Knock the shelves over on him. One man grab the arm with the knife the other the body. Fuck. You can’t always chose the cards you are dealt but it is how you play them that matters. Even without room he may cut you but hardly stab it in to an organ. I am sure it isn’t easy to penetrate sin, sinew, bones and muscle…. Maybe once but not as any times as that poor poor girl.

  • Nilerafter24

    I agree… fearing harm, injury or death is only human. That’s why soldiers and policemen are trained to hold that fear down more than normal people.
    Why become a policeman if you can’t fulfill your duty?
    At least they could have thought of a better solution than to just stand there if they didn’t have any weapons.

    • Chernobog

      Why become a policeman if you can’t fulfill your duty?

      Get promoted to sergeant, cushy desk job reading reddit and facebook all day, and retire at 48 and work part time as a security consultant or make detective? Cops are just as lazy and selfish as anyone else, especially in the UK!!!

      • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

        You think coppers in the UK would stand there and do nothing?
        UK coppers would of wiped that cnt out.

        • Chernobog

          They didn’t do so well with those riots a few years back, until that tank like vehicle was ordered out onto the streets to quell the great unsoaped. But you are right, I have seen UK police carrying automatic weapons.

  • khanthologism

    sucks. as a stupid selfie white girl would say, “REALLY?, LIKE REALLY?, OH MY GAWD!”

    smh

  • Repatriated

    Sad. Total lack of training for the cops to deal with this type of situation.

    I hope the killer lived so he can sit in a cell for a few days thinking about what he did, and stressing about his own inevitable day standing before a firing squad.

  • the ace of books

    The Ace’s Opinion: God, what a couple of useless pricks. Guys! that badge ain’t just for getting through traffic, thank you! When you become a police officer, you become responsible for more than just your own self. The person who comments that “police are human too, it’s normal to be afraid” serves as a perfectly understandable explanation for their behavior, but it doesn’t excuse or justify it in any way. Police should be trained, or know how to, do something about a situation like that – if they don’t, they may as well be bystanders.

    In that vein, consider this, the Beijing Municipal Police website (specifically, their aims):

    3. Prevent, stop and inspect violations and crimes,

    I’m assuming Anhui’s is similar. But note: that’s the third one down. 1), Implement public security guidelines, 2), Learn the situation and formulate countermeasures, 3), Prevent crimes (and manage assemblies (!)). Very interesting, the language and what the priorities are here. If that’s what taught, then no wonder these guys didn’t rush to the rescue — “I just signed up to implement public security! no one told me me to save people’s lives!”

  • 二奶头发

    In China I like it when a police car or police van parks on the sidewalk in front of me and a policeman and his family get out to do some shopping. I wonder if the policeman lets his kid play with the lights and siren?

    • HarmoniousCrap

      the fuck are you talking about?

      • 二奶头发

        no I’m not talking about fucking… I’m talking about how the chinese police officer does his job in china…well the lack of it

        • linette lee

          The China gov’t is truly fucked up. Scary shxt. Why people want to live under the china gov’t when they have a choice. I don’t get it. The whole system is run and control by bunch of evil, wicked, murderous bullies, thieves, and rapists aka china gov’t officials and gov’t workers. They are the worst offenders. They are the real criminals.

          • cocobobolove

            Why? because “be the change they wish to see”. lots of my friends are moving back to china to have their startups. They are helping China move to a better place. If not because of them, china are still in a backward place. I am not smart enough to have a startup or rich enough to build a school, but i am trying my best to sponsor a few under privileged children. Two Starbucks money per week can help them. I m not saying China is so perfect. They still need to catch up not just economically but also in ethic and moral. I think its moving to the right direction. We are so used to criticize other people and not offer any solution. Everyone can be a show horse and few can be plow horse.

          • maja

            not everything can be the fault of the government. you can consider them the country’s neglect daddies if you want, but they don’t control what a person should do or think as if they were gods.

          • cocobobolove

            agreed. Ask yourself what you did for the country.

          • cocobobolove

            I always like Locke’s view on government, “the beginning of politic society depends upon the consent of individuals, to join into, and make one society.”

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            god you’re so retarded LL.

          • linette lee

            Oh be quiet. If I am drunk I will whack you. I bet in China I will not be responsible under the china law. They will say it wasn’t done intentionally because I was under the influence. Only in China.

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            I have that effect on Chinese women.
            Bite, Scratch, punch in the balls.
            Kinda like it now.

            Its a shame Chinese men haven’t got that ability

          • linette lee

            Hahaha.. you need some whipping. You need to be tamed.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            Get him linette, tear him apart, poke his eyes out, jump on his stomach until he pukes, you go girl.

          • Khanthologism

            Hey are you an Asian male, if so, we are taking all your women..hahahahaha!

            You are inferior, insecure and have an inferiority complex of some sort. you are afraid of the white or foreign men from somewhere. Peace.

            POS KHAN CREW 4 LIFE!

          • Khanthologism

            Hey Linette, are you a Chinese male?

            If so, you are insecure, inferior and have a complex of inferiorioriority. be afraid because we are taking all your women.

            POS KHAN CREW 4 LIFE!

      • slob

        The common occurence of POs here using their police cars for personal use. My ex’s friend’s husband was a cop and would pick her up from work to take her shopping in his cop car every single day.

    • biggj

      In the town I stay in when i’m in china i would see these police cars just full of young girls….no guy in car…must have been the officers mistress or daughter or something and her friends just driving around…like there is nothing wrong with that.

      • vincent

        They’re really effective at dealing with people who can’t fight back, prostitutes, old people, and street peddlers.

      • Germandude

        Mate there are rumors the three stooges tried to save the girl. I am sure you have some evidence for us?

  • HarmoniousCrap

    Chinese men are the most cowardly people I have ever met. No other country has such issues so deeply ingrained into their populace even accounting for relative population differences.

    For anyone like me who has lived in China, you can see this is typical. These morons are like a pack of hyenas. All big talk, but when alone, they’ll be picking their assholes and watching from the sidelines.

    I feel so sorry for the innocent women that are hurt by inaction of the cowardly men.

    • Khanthologism

      POS go spread your disinformation elsewhere you leftover mangirl.

      • HarmoniousCrap

        Chinese internet warrior. We just need a few more of these good ol’boys to keep the women of China safe from foreign men stealing them for some sexy liberation time ;)

        • Khanthologism

          hi poz, keep spreading your china male shaming agenda, its to my benefit.

          you act like a white gay feminist that bashes white men. look where the feminists are heading now. but you’re asian though. khan knows, hahaha

          • hahahaha

            hahahahahaha

          • POS

            Thats not me (poster above), theres no need for me to take the piss out Chinese males masculinity when you come here oozing your insecurity. But whoever you are “Khan-Rou” you should be ashamed, you are pretty much a massive loss of face for all Chinese males, reeking of Asian male inferiority complex. Go back to talking with yourself on two separate accounts, that was more entertaining.

            Just wondering do you get many Asian ladies with your whole, “white loving race traitor” tirade? Yea Russian prostitutes don’t count little man.

            http://t.qkme.me/3q0849.jpg

          • Khanthologism

            ewwwwwwwww. like, seriously, like really? oh my gawd.

            we need to put a stop to all those inferioriorly complexxxxxxed asians.. they are everywhere, and terribly insecure! we need to create a POS KHAN posse to influence the whole wide world that they are INFERIOR, INSECURE and COMPLEX!

            Im putting you in my crew POS and we will rule together on Chinasmack forever. THE POS KHAN CREW 4 LIFE.

            rooskee prostitutes at hollywood club, eewwwwwwwww!

          • POS

            がんばってバカ

        • KAMIKAZIPILOT

          I think the post reeks of insecurity but the picture was funny as hell.

      • biggj

        Who are you talking to?? is that guy POS?

        • POS

          No I am lurking here~~ apparently I make insecure Asian males all hot and horny.

    • Jahar

      They are taught that they can’t do anything by themselves.

  • vincent

    Well these two coppers wont have any “face” left, it would have been better if someone called the chengguan and told them that the attacker was an illegal peddler he would have had the crap beaten out of him before he had the chance to claim that poor soul.

    • 二奶头发

      They don’t have any face now because they got caught on video. And the police chief who told them to go out on that call (he should have been there too but was too lazy to go) can still have his job and take his bribes and play his computer games at the police station

      • vincent

        haha you’re totally right, useless bastards. They’re carrying batons and they didn’t even try using that to incapacitate the attacker, the heights of cowardice.

        • Chernobog

          Ever met a guy or two guys going nuts? Even carrying batons, if a guy or two guys are bigger than you and armed with something like a sword, a baton won’t do much. I saw 1 guy in shenzhen stab another in the back with a piece of copper pipe, everyone ran like mad, cops were seen nowhere!

          • 二奶头发

            That’s why the police chief and other police officers should have been there too. but they were too busy on QQ and waiting for bribes at the police station. When the chengguans go after a street seller they bring an army and flatbed truck. but the chengguans know that they can get the loot from the seller. A crazy guy with a knife isn’t profitable

          • vincent

            Yeah as a matter of fact I have, I’ve even been attacked by knife wielding morons 4 of them no less (mistaken identity) and fought them off, you can see from the video very clearly the perpetrator is not a huge fellow. There are two cops who would by reason have two batons but zero balls, that’s what resulted in such an outcome, also the killer wasn’t holding a sword. Why pray tell are you even talking about something that doesn’t pertain to this particular case?

          • Chernobog

            Fair enough off topic, but nutters are everywhere, not many would step in.

          • vincent

            You’re right about that though, but there is one quote that seems quite pertinent to this particular case, “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”

          • Chernobog

            True, and in my own country I would but in Asia, things just do not work the same way. Compassion and kindness equals being meek, and the meek are treated mercilessly in this part of the world.

          • maja

            I don’t want to put you down, you probably have your reasons to complain about the merciless treatment of good coexistence manners, but… if you can’t take this are you sure you want to live in Asia at all?
            I’m being constantly repeated I sould go back to my country because I don’t like to look tough or throw my (real or supposed) weight around, honestly all this bickering and sperm dances are nothing more but extremely boring and implausible middle-school games in my eyes, I struggle to figure how anyone with some experience of the “outside world” can really be worried about them… even with the occasional bad ending here and there.
            on the other hand I would be worried about the next few decades if the legal and policing system doesn’t keep up with the growing urbanization, especially if the people doesn’t start to get just a bit more confident and self-assertive about living in this “new China”.

            (mind that I come from a quiet town in the middle of the countryside)

          • Chernobog

            No, I’m not sure. But this is not just an asian phenomenon, it also happens in the arab world, so you could say it is common in all of the eastern hemisphere. The desire to save face, and bully the meek, but be afraid of bigger bullies. It is an ugly element of human society, that is very predominant in eastern cultures.

          • Khanthologism

            You must be a weak asian male. if so, you are insecure, inferiority and have an insecuritily inferiorily complexed complex! We will take all your asian women.

            POS KHAN CREW 4 LIFE!

          • Jahar

            I disagree. Most police would do something. In other countries.

      • Khanthologism

        Hi there, are you Asian male?

        If so, YOU HAVE AN INFERIORITY COMPLEX and YOU ARE INSECURE in the morning, afternoon and evenings! you are scared that the white men are taking all your women! take that, take that!

        POS KHAN CREW 4 LIFE!

        • 二奶头发

          HAHA you are funny… but if I can interject and intelligently add to your point…. FOREIGN men don’t TAKE chinese women. SOME (not all) CHINESE women choose to be with a FOREIGN GUY for their own reasons. Those reasons are between the boyfriend and girlfriend NOT the business of the rest of the population.

  • yatiirockstar

    That’s just sad. A death that can be prevented but the policemen didn’t do anything. The reason why is still kind of ambiguous to me, if they weren’t scared of dying as they claimed then….I don’t know.

    • 二奶头发

      because they didn’t want to be there. you see these two police officers were at the station playing on the computer and talking on qq.. why do they need to go out on a call when they can just sit at the station take bribes and use the computer

      • Chernobog

        My point exactly. Pen pushers, or in this case qq talkers….

    • vincent

      It’s fairly evident from their actions they were afraid of getting stabbed but in that case they shouldn’t be cops, they’re as much to blame as that SOB stabbing the girl. They even had batons what the heck do they use it for anyway?

  • Fanduril

    What a useless nation.

    • slob

      That face and comment. Awesome.

  • Basket case

    I was under the impression that they stood by and didn’t do anything. It takes great courage to tackle someone with a knife, more courage than these officers had, this job isn’t for them. Is there nothing heavier than a basket to throw at that guy? try tins of food or anything that is not a basket.

    • Kennedy Jamal

      watch ABC TV or Fox Crime and how US Police Disarm criminals with heavy weapons …. The two were in a scramble .. that was the chance for the police to step in and stop them .. Not stepping in .. means they failed in their duty ..

      • The Enlightened One

        I agree, I was in the military and we had training for disarming knives. These guys had PLENTY of time and chances to stop him.

        He stabbed her 10 times for godsake and tried to choke her while throwing her around. They are cowards and her death is on their shoulders as well.

        I mean the guy had to stab himself before they would help?

  • Kennedy Jamal

    that tells you the value of human in such society … Money has out weighed human in every aspect in such society ….

  • percymay

    Chinese men will only fight foreigners when they are 5-6 against one person.

    Chinese police also have a bad habit of being “brave” when it comes to arresting females or throwing babies on the street.

    The reason for the Rape of Nanjing was because the Chinese Nationalists (army) fled and left the city undefended.

    It will be interesting to see what they will do when the Japanese come again.

    • KAMIKAZIPILOT

      Chinese culture back then was a lot different than today. I don’t think you can apply what happened in WWII to this story. And the Japanese won’t invade again, at least not in our lifetimes. But rest assured, if Japan for some illogical reason does try to invade China again, the Chinese will be ready, they’ve been practicing for 60 years. When if comes to fighting Japan, Chinese are fierce fighters, the bravest souls around, have you seen what they did to those poor Japanese cars, TVs and other household appliances the last time there was a dispute between the two countries. I’d really hate to be a Japanese rice cooker in China right now.

      • linette lee

        You don’t want to be a japanese rice cooker in china? What about a Japanese rice cooker for your wife. I wonder what she is doing to you. haaha …lol. How about a japanese car? She likes to ride it?
        Yes you are. You Japanese invade China. You need to back away from her territory.

        • KAMIKAZIPILOT

          I just love it when Chinese girls torture and abuse me as revenge for the war. But I don’t want to be a rice cooker in China because I don’t want some middle aged, nose-picking, butt scratching Chinese man to throw me out the window whenever there’s a dispute with Japan. BTW, did you see the picture of me and my wife I posted in my reply to you on the other thread?

      • Repatriated

        If you do a little googling, you’ll see how frightened Japanese are by the “ferocity” of someone smashing windows out of a car that doesn’t fight back. Need proof? Tell me what country’s flag is STILL planted on the…well…I guess we can call them Senkaku islands?

        • KAMIKAZIPILOT

          Chinese warriors are a combination of the dragon and the tiger when fighting little Japan. Look at the riots recently over the territorial fights. They could overwhelm them with their massive mass of humanity. 10 Chinese for 1 Japanese, no contest. Japan is afraid the Chinese dragon will devour them one day.

          • Chernobog

            The Russian and perhaps Kazakh bears, under one union eventually, would get there first, before anything could happen,

    • Whaddashack

      Nah, fighting 5-6 vs one much smaller opponent and losing is something White guys do very often.

      When it comes to war, at least the Chinese stood their ground, fought to the death and didn’t give in even when attacked by a superior force.

      In contrast to Americans, who outnumbered Vietnam 52:1, or the Dutch, Japanese, British, Canadians and European colonists who outnumbered the Japanese 10:1, more guns and better equipment but still lost and threw the white flag in a flash. You tell me what you’d do in a scenario where a much stronger fellow grabbed you by your throat? No doubt you’d emulate your war hero, McCain and surrender.

      Speaking of Japanese, I doubt they’d “come” to invade again. More or less your personal fantasy. Let’s not put them together with “White” American nationalists. They are honorable and brave, while you’re just the keyboard warmongerer itching for battles fought by others on much weaker nations while you stay safe and play internet patriot.

      • Zappa Frank

        you have a distorted vision of history.. in vietanam, japan and colonies europeans and americans decided to go out, weren’t forced out, and they did it due to economic convenience and because asked by their own people (you know, it’s democracy).. and yes, people in western countries care also about people of the other aren’t selfish and insensitive like chinese are…if chinese on the other side are not speaking japanase right now is just because of US, else your “glorious” resistance against japan (despite receinving wepons from US becasue you didn’t have anything) would have been useless, or better, it was almost useless.. Onorable japs? but don’t you use to cruse them every 5′? you guys need a massive mental treatment.

        • Whaddashack

          I think the one with the distorted history is yourself. Help from the US was considerably less than for Europe, and arrived very late. Help from the European mainland was almost non-existent, the main source of aid came from, surprise, surprise, Germany.

          Most Americans didn’t even have the courage to fight the Japanese since at that time, they were considered “unstoppable”. Such a formidable nation, yet being outgunned and beaten by them and die fighting them is considered embarrassing in your eyes. If that were the case, then you should be embarrassed by yourselves.

          Of the top of my head, I can think of Indonesia where the Japanese and the Indonesians worked together to drive out the Dutch. Also in WWI, the Japanese kicked every German colony out of Asia. The Germans of course ran like hell, but not half as fast as the undependable Italians. The Turks did some owning of their own.

          There were also plenty of battles where superiorly armed and numerically advantaged Europeans were squarely defeated by Japanese forces in much the same way Mongols kicked European asses back then. Those Europeans surrendered and ran pretty quickly. Just like in the Miracle of Malaysia.

          Most Chinese are thankful for what the West has done, but there is a limit, especially considering the fact that the so called hated Japanese have done far more for modern China than all the “selfless” European and American countries combined. Yet they aren’t even asking for eternal gratitude. Tells us a thing about friendship and helping others.

          Similarly, you should be thankful as well, since had the Chinese not resisted and went along with the Japanese, you too would be speaking Japanese and most likely not even have the luxury to complain about China like you do today. There are selfish people in China, but there are also non-selfish people just like anywhere else in the world.

          As for honorable Japanese, that much is true. Contrary to what is often portrayed in the mostly Western media, and in East Asian media as well, Chinese aren’t that critical of Japanese being inferior or other such curses. There’s actually a great deal of respect for them, while differences naturally exist. While Western media is ALL about the bad unsalvageable relations between the two, I’m surprised and ashamed to say that at least there are multiple views in the Asian media, particularly Japanese media.

          One more thing about honor. At least Japanese don’t habitually make fun of the war dead, refugees, poverty or people suffering from natural disasters. Such behavior is heavily criticized there and I’m glad most Chinese have a similar view. Westerners should take note and follow that example. It’s basic human decency.

          • Zappa Frank

            you try to change topic and even war passing from WWII to WWI.. again i said, if it wasn’t for whites americans, that you like to blame that much, chinese would all speak japanese by now. Deny as you want, it’s the truth.

            about making fun of dead did you ever seen japs pictures of WWII at least? i think is funny to put in line all heads chopped and stick in pussy of killed women something.. don’t you? and that’s nothing compared to what they did when they were alive.. ah yes, the honor…this strange word.. there’s respect for japanese by chinese? strange, what about anti-japs riots? oddly enough i still have to find a chinese that would confirm what you say.

          • Whaddashack

            And again I say, most Chinese have been nothing but grateful to White Americans over some debt owed 70 years ago. So where’s the gratitude for the fact that Chinese resisted the Japanese and suffered those casualties that Westerners seem to disgustingly and humanely gloat about so much these days? Are the Chinese asking for thanks? Don’t think so.

            China held her own despite being vastly inferior to the Japanese for at least 8 years (in reality more) WITHOUT Western intervention. How long did the German, Canadian, Dutch, British, Indian, Canadians last in Asia against the same enemy even when much better equipped than the mostly civilian population? Not very long.

            The fact is the Chinese could have easily just accepted the Japanese “vision” for Asians and the whole world will be speaking Japanese, not just Chinese. In fact, there might not even be America as we now it.

            When I talk about making fun of the dead, refugees, war victims or the poor, I was speaking in today’s terms. Japanese refrain from this behavior, and from my experience so do Chinese. Despite claiming to be so advanced, it seems misery attracts White trolls like flies unto shit. There is no rebuking of such behavior, only an even bigger shitfest and more joiners.

            There is respect, very strange but there. Go through the internet and some comments even on this site prove just that. Like the one on sanitation workers. BTW, many Chinese condemned and hated the sheer retardation of those riots. All over the blogosphere this is apparent. Most were opposed to violence to get their view point. You’ve never met Chinese that respect and admire Japan’s progress? That’s strange, I know many who even like the Japanese and a few that are so pro-Japanese, they don’t even feel Chinese. There’s far too many of the latter in my eyes and that’s not good.

          • Zappa Frank

            ok i see your point, i guess you’re almost right for me. I have some doubts about the resistance of chinese in WWII, but as italian i can’t really complain on anyone about this, and few things.
            in the end sincerelly, from my side, we’re not the people of the WWII nor we are our ancestor, thereofore everything that has been done by them do not give us any honor nor any shame…
            about bad behavior, i’m nost sure anymore of what you’re talking about, if it’s after the WWII, didn’t we talk about respect for dead people?refugees? and so on?in present days? because sincerelly after the WWII is not that Japan or China have had to face many wars or refugees from other countries.. and in case, what did westeners do so bad? you may know something unknown to me..
            About chinese and japs i’ve seen always a sort strange feeling, also admiration, but also a lot of anger, you can see in the movie..ok movies are not done by people, but usually movies, looking for people approvation, say what people what to hear.

          • Whaddashack

            You shouldn’t. The Chinese kept the Japanese at bay for at least 8 years, diverting the bulk of their resources and weaponry into China, so others did not have to take it. I think that’s pretty brave and there are accounts. Now imagine if the Chinese had decided to follow Japan’s ideal of Asia for Asians (a theme blatantly ripped off and copied by uncreative White nationalists like the very bitter yet impotent PercyMay). That would give the Japanese far more time, far more soldiers (extremely important at the time), a far greater manufacturing ability, more resources and easier access to Europe.

            As for America, I can think of is Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan, terrible unpunished atrocities supported by radical right-wing nationalistic White Americans. I’m surprised they even have the gall to complain about the nationalism in Asia when I’ve yet to see any Chinese, Japanese or even Tibetan so full of bile, pus and hate as them.

            About bad behavior, I’m talking about NOW. China has in fact far more refugees than any single Western country, and that’s important because the average Chinese is earning far less than a grossly obese neckbeard. The average Chinese actually has great respect for the poor and those who lost everything from disasters. I can list plenty of examples where White people acted like pigs and animals; not helping yet enjoying the misfortune of others. Inspite of all that has happened, I can respect the Japanese in that they are truly consistent in separating peoples from governments, which nearly every “Westerner” here preaches but does not do and they understand suffering and respect the poor/homeless.

            The relationship between China and Japan is a strange one, and the interactions between both groups is even stranger. On one side, you are right. There is a lot of hate, something that makes the English-French animosity look like a child’s squabble. Yet polls and stats are one thing, when they actually meet, it’s not rare for the two to become good and close friends. I’ve read so many accounts and seen so many real life events that it seems the old drum of eternal hate beaten by many White people sounds ridiculous and jealous. The truth is they are the ones who feel insecure and this eternal hate nonsense. Loathe as I to admit it, one of those Japanese foreign ministers has a point regarding both countries.

            When digging out the trash and spam in Chinese netizen comments, I’ve read so many comments from young Chinese admiring the Japanese, that it seems many have forgotten the importance and relevance of history. Many kids these days find past conflicts “boring” as if it were some entertainment, which can be encouraging. yet I find it concerning. History is something to be learned and applied. It’s a dangerous attitude for Chinese children to forget their past and forget who they are and their ancestors.

            As for Italy, I knew about your countries role in both world wars and will never blame you for your countries past. That’s backward thinking and stupid, it amazes me how many people are doing it here with the Chinese (not the Government, the people)

            Italians have a lot going for them today. You don’t have to feel ashamed. Despite the common misconception and stereotype, I don’t believe in shaming a group for what the Government did, nor what their ancestors did. I believe in decency and respect for the suffering of others.

  • The Enlightened One

    Just pathetic… the police respond as if it is a perfectly good excuse.

    Two bitch cops – “No we weren’t scared, we were just throwing boxes and stools while she was getting stabbed. No big deal, next case!”

    Police Chief – “Oh okay then, I will tell the public and they will understand. Good job men!”

  • biggj

    Won’t save a girl from being stabbed, but will lay down their lives in a second for diaoyu islands.

    • 二奶头发

      Because they can make money off of the diaoyu islands

    • KAMIKAZIPILOT

      OF course, don’t you know, anytime they’re fighting the evil japs, they suddenly become alpha males who don’t know the meaning of fear. Look what they did to the poor, innocent Japanese cars, department stores, rice cookers and televisions after the last dispute with Japan. Such ferocity I have never witnessed before. The best thing the clerk could have done is tell the cops the stabber was Japanese. He’d be dead for sure now.

      • Jahar

        or if the knife was Japanese, they would have melted it by now.

    • Repatriated

      You mean Senkaku islands, right? Might as well call them by the name given by the country who’s flag is still flying there.

      • biggj

        NEVER!!! As long as there is even 1 chinamen left we will fight for china sovereign land!!!! Never will we see our island as Japanese land!!! I will die before I see see happen!!!!I will risk my life for that inhabited island!!!Why don’t you go back to your western country you imperialist dog!!!!!!

  • RagnarDanneskjold

    Cops aren’t legally obligated to help you. This is an egregious case because they’re clearly there in time to help, but still, they’re not legally obligated. You need to be responsible for your self-defense, especially in China, where no one will help for fear that you will sue them.

  • Tricksy Raistlin

    That poor, poor girl. Utterly horrifying.

  • Jeff

    Wow Chinese never ceases to disgust me. A country full of cowards from the top on down

    • YourSupremeCommander

      And you are that much better Jeff?

    • Mihel

      Piss off.

    • mr.wiener

      Generalize much?

  • mwanafa

    These cops, are very professional. Just how one police went behind the attacker and ceased the attack, that was amazing. Now mes amis that’s the level of perfection that’s never seen in the west.

    • The Enlightened One

      lol, I think don’t think these copy would make it past the initial psychological screening out west.

      Interviewer: “Are you a coward?”

      Bitch Cop: “No… I am the guild leader on World of Warcraft!”

  • biggj

    For all you white ass holes out there talking shit about our heavenly police force…..YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND CHINESE CULTURE AND NEVER WILL!!!!!YOU SHOULD ALL JUST GO HOME AND LEAVE US ALONE!!!!WE DON’T NEED YOU!!!AND I HATE YOU!!!

    • The Enlightened One

      lol Hello Bigg J.

      Which movie is your avatar from anyway? Sam J. looks like a total stoned hermit there.

      • biggj

        Black snake moan. It’s not a great movie, but Jackson plays this black hillbilly kind of guy. It’s not bad for a watch I guess.

        • Chernobog

          I personally despise these kind of portray africans as uncle tom movies. I despised that last jew boy movie, whats it called, django unchained. Damned jew boy trying to fund his coke habit, take a hike!!!

          • Jahar

            what do you have against jews? and coke?

          • Chernobog

            Nothing against COKE, had quite the habit of it in my 20s during my clubbing days, and mixing with people in my dads friends design business. Jews do promote agendas through their movies though. As in Django Unchained!

    • YourSupremeCommander

      So Damn! Big J you aint BLACK!?

      • Khanthologism

        Supreme, yeah A&F sucks.

        but since Ive been recruited into a new crew, i have to ask you: Are you an Asian male? if so, you are inferior, insecure and have an insecure type of complex! You are afraid white guys are taking all your girls… peace.

        POS KHAN CREW 4 LIFE!

    • linette lee

      hahhaha…….lol.. Where are the three stooges to back up your statements?
      Who did this one? I am dying…..lol.
      Do these three stooges know they are famous all over the international internet. They are bigger than michael jackson. lol .hahaha….

      http://observers.france24.com/files/obs_article_images/huili%20officials%20and%20obama.jpg

  • ludicrous

    I don’t like to advocate violence nor encourage it but what the hell- I say this to Chinese males. I cannot bring myself to say ‘men’ as there is a connotation there. Anyway, chinese males, i see you like hitting girls. Why not, you know, try experimenting a little. Broaden your horizons a little? Try hitting a Jamaican girl. Or a Latina girl. Go ahead, really, nothing will happen….(chuckle chuckle)

  • Chinacide

    Even though they are human too but their job is a police officer. That job sometimes include putting your life endanger and being in harms way. That’s part of what they’ve signed up for that’s like me being a firefighter but not going to run in a burning building to save someone’s life. Pathetic cowards

  • Wololoo

    On the one hand, I would suggest, that the police should carry guns like in Germany, but on the other hand, there is the poor mentality of Chinese (which is also in most police men). There would probably a lot of massakers by police men, which are unhappy about small things, weapon dealing to earn more money and probably more blackmailing then now.

  • chandlerpatrick

    Wow, two against one, and armed with batons… I’m sure we find out in a few days that these were temporary working police. I get it, nobody wants to get hurt on the the job. Well here’s an abstract thought, if your not interested in sacrificing yourself for the lives of others, in the odd chance some dick with a knife decides to go crazy, DON’T BECOME A FUCKIN’ POLICE OFFICER!

    • mr.wiener

      They were migrant workers.

  • Wayne

    Police on China are under equipped. They don’t have a gun or taser, just a baton? What do they have to work with?

    • lonetrey / Dan

      I was wondering that myself. No guns allowed for them, it seems.

      I can’t help but think of what a difference they’d make in this situation.

      • linette lee

        yes, so sad. How can you be efficient at your job without proper tools and adequate training. It’s a joke right. They are useless. The china police force is useless. No guns for them then these two police should be some kind of martial art experts. Able to put down the offenders with weapons using their kungfu and batons. They need to know kungfu. I am sure they don’t get adequate martial art training.
        And only two police there. In USA they send out a whole squad like 5 to 6 policemen with guns and mace and baton and police cars for just one suspect with a knife. They are authorized to shoot the suspect if in physical harm.

        China police department is so useless.

        • linette lee

          And their system how it works do they have adequate medical and disability coverage for their police? I hope they do. The police out in the street need to risk their lives daily so I hope they do get good coverage.

          http://www.chinahush.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/20120713-police-01.jpg

          In the afternoon of July 9th, a man jumped off the platform in Changli railway station, in Hebei to commit suicide, and Li Yabo, the 20-year old railway police Intern, went to save him. Both of them were hit by the train. The suicide fell into a deep coma while Li Yabo had to have leg amputation, because his legs were badly mutilated when his colleagues dragged him out from under the train.

          http://www.chinahush.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/20120713-police-04.jpg

          • lint fabric

            I thought all you Chinese know kung fu? What happened? lol. Only brave on tv. lol.

            What cowards, Chinese men are. Weak sissies.. lol.

      • DavidisDawei

        I’m sure someone in charge has a firearm.
        Maybe those guys can’t shoot straight.
        Imagine this headline?
        “Police shoot bystanders by mistake”

      • vincent_t

        did it occur to the police that throwing a few beer bottle would be far better than an empty box?
        Oh wait…then may be the shop owner will charge the police for that. The good Samaritan doesn’t work in China

        • mr.wiener

          They could always drink the beer first, but they probably wouldn’t get a refund on their empties.

    • chandlerpatrick

      A taser would be useful… Some police carry guns – the ones unloading those bank cars with the cash… what a surprise. Defend the money! Fuck the people!

      • moldavidian

        Yes because we all know that a box of money is so much more important than the life of an ordinary citizen here in China.

    • linette lee

      And probably no medical insurance neither or disability in case they get permanent injured on the job. Only the rich officials have everything. hahaha…lol. What a f up system.

    • mr.wiener

      Equipping them with some …balls/resolution/civic duty would be good too.

  • lin

    LMAO the officer threw a cardboard box and plastic chair at him
    I’m SUREEEEEEEEEEEEE that’s going to stop the man from stabbing

    • linette lee

      Those chinese security guards are real heros. They protected the campus students with bare hands against a crazy man with a sword risking their lives. And they probably don’t have medical coverage or disability in case they are permanently injured. They really risk their everything to protect the students.

      http://www.chinasmack.com/2012/videos/flying-kick-helps-brave-guards-subdue-crazy-campus-attacker.html

      • lin

        WHAT ARE U TALKING ABOUT????? THE officers IN THIS vid didnt do shit….I wasnt even talking about the security guards with the flying kicks, what was the your intended purpose of your reply???

  • http://www.facebook.com/nicola.collina Nicola Collina

    normal police in china is nothing more then one office clerk. Not any training, not any capability of use equipment or dealing with some situation that are normal for policemen everywhere…only special forces are really good trained, but they are not used, obviously, for normal police service….

  • Repatriated

    Moron comment of the day from a local:

    “Speak with your conscience, would you have gone forward to stop
    him if you encountered someone holding a knife? Police officers are also
    human, and fearing death is also normal. Don’t make yourself out to be
    so noble and virtuous.”

    The cops probably spent most of the “Dealing with dangerous situations 101″ police class texting their mommies. They both had batons, the guy was on his knees, and they couldn’t manage to crack his fucking skull in? Instead they throw an empty box at him. Chickenshits.

  • Mighty曹

    Chinese police motto is definitely NOT “To Serve And To Protect”.

    I can’t understand why some comments defended the police as being ‘human’.

    The job comes with such risks!!! If you can’t put yourself in danger to perform a task that’s required of you why bother to wear that uniform!? What shame!

    • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

      culture here is to make excuses for anything no matter how bad it is and retarded. Always excuses excuse excuse.

      • Mighty曹

        Lots of finger pointing.

    • Khanthologism

      Hi Mighty, long time.

      As part of me being a part of a new crew called POS KHAN, i must ask you: Are you an asian male? If so, you are inferior, insecure and have a some kind of complex. We are taking your women!!!!!!

      POS KHAN CREW 4 LIFE!

      • Mighty曹

        Sup Khan Bro! Taking a break from all them hoes ’round da world?
        I thought I was special but I see you asking the same question to everyone. What’s going on?

        POS KHAN? Got no KHAN POSSE? Anyway, keep gang epithet outta here.

    • vincent_t

      No, their job doesn’t comes with risk, their job is basically putting other people life at risk.

      • Mighty曹

        The Chengguans are more passionate about the jobs.

  • Guest

    I don’t know about where you guys live, but in North America police aren’t legally obligated to protect you. This is probably the same in China.

    I learned about it from this incident: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/to_serve_but_not_protect_Qr3ume5gEhMhtg8LvHgzAI.

    There’s also a couple supreme court verdicts like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia
    and Castle Rock v. Gonzales

    I live in Canada and couldn’t find anything definite, but was disappointed to find that this is probably the case here as well.

  • Eileithyia

    Chinese police are weak and unless. All you need is a Knife and some good training. you can wipe out the entire police station if you have the skill with just a knife. You can easily kill 10+ police in the station with a knife, but no training. We heard news about some random guy attacks a Chinese police station all the time.

  • Visitor

    Remember there was one attacker and only 2 cops. They are cowards unless there are at least 5 of them. They should be charged as accessories to murder then shot and pissed on.

  • http://www.richardfordphotography.com/ Richard Ford

    Surely it is time to issue all police with side arms, tasers and pepper spray?

    • Marcus Black

      That’s not going to solve the problem. They just need better training.

    • KAMIKAZIPILOT

      Looks like one of them was pepper spraying the stabber but too little too late. A taser or gun would have been well suited to the situation, or even a collapsible baton to the head. What bothers me is that the 2 cops didn’t seem to know what to do. It’s like they had no training at all for these kinds of situations.

  • likechinasmack

    We will feel naturally shocked, when witnessing such scenes. Sometimes reaction a bit too late (the brain has to analyzed & process for a reaction). I agree that police officers are human too and they could react the way they do like any human being, sure they have to do their duty, and maybe they will feel guilty about it later and wonder if they could have prevent the murder. Put yourself into their situation…would you be heroic. In the US maybe police officers have guns, they can shoot first ask question later, but then there will be outrage too for such cases. I think future police officer maybe equip with tazer, or electric shock, at least they have weapons that they can fire to subdue aggressors and the aggressors are alive for a fair trial and then maybe crimes like this can be prevented and the victim survives

    • Anonymous

      This is an utterly retarded line of reasoning. Police officers undergo rigorous specialized training to build the courage and discipline to effectively deal with this kind of situation. Falling back on the “oh but they’re only human” argument only goes to show how ineffective China’s biggest bullies really are.

  • Kochigachi

    Good for China, at least they don’t need to worry about 2 people.

    • Jahar

      But there are 2 they do have to worry about.

    • mr.wiener

      They depth of your compassion and empathy is staggering. your friends must call you “Mr. Kindness”.

  • Marcus Black

    Anyone know what she did to this man to make him attack her like that? Also how old is this guy?

  • PixelPulse

    Jesus Christ this is just depressing.

  • KAMIKAZIPILOT

    I’ve always thought that your personal safety is your primary responsibility, not the police’s. Their main job is to arrest the perpetrators AFTER you’ve been robbed, raped, assaulted, or murdered and collect evidence for the court case. After all the police can’t be everywhere and they’re usually not there when you really need them. I mean, I’d like to think these 2 trained (although probably not very well) police officers would be able to help a poor girl being stabbed right in front of them but obviously you can’t depend on the police in China (and other places) to save your ass even if they’re right in front of you. Of course, I’m not excusing or defending the actions of the incompetent/cowardly officers but at the end of the day, it’s you who has the biggest responsibility for your own personal protection, not the government.

    • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

      I’ll always look down on anyone (cop or not) who just stands their with their thumbs up their ass while someone innocent is being stabbed to death. Especially if they have what appears to be pepper spray. Am I seeing that correctly?

      • Guang Xiang

        Yea, and batons to boot.

        I think any ordinary people would be scared or inexperienced in dealing with situations like this. However, the police should be trained with the mindset to fuck anybody up who disrupts the peace.

      • KAMIKAZIPILOT

        I don’t agree completely. For one, each situation is different so a blanket statement like that isn’t justified. I mean what about a 150 lbs man watching a 250 lbs man stabbing a stranger. I wouldn’t blame the smaller man for not getting involved. Even if the two are the same size would you really expect a stranger to physically intervene and put their life on the line? If you have pepper spray, my standards for intervention would be higher, but again each situation is different. In this situation though those 2 cops are poor excuses for cops, and men.

        • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

          I’m not trying to sound like an internet tough guy or anything, but I seriously can not imagine myself just standing there and doing jack shit while this guy is preoccupied with stabbing a defenseless innocent person to death right in front of me. Especially if I have weapons or things to throw.

          Plus…if you sign up to be a police officer, you have to expect to get your hands dirty from time to time. If you don’t want to be put in a situation demanding this kind of “serve and protect” responsibility, go get a job in an office or something.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            Oh, if you have weapons or things to throw, my expectation of an intervention would be higher, if you’re a police officer, it’s pretty much your duty to help. But if your an ordinary citizen and have no weapons, or only a few rocks, how can you expect everyone to intervene while they’re scared to death? And it’s a stranger, not a loved one. Of course I expect cops to intervene, but I just don’t think you can look down on everyone who doesn’t intervene. You can’t expect everyone to risk their life for a stranger. People have been killed intervening in situations like this.

          • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

            The only time I will not judge someone for not intervening in some way is if they are disabled in some way or suspended in a time/space rift, unable to move, existing in every place at all times but at the same time existing nowhere at any time. Only these two cases.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            Okay suit yourself, but as for me, I’d think very carefully when risking my life to save a complete stranger, and I’m no coward.

          • Jahar

            you do’t sound like an internet tough guy(not with that name and photo anyway), You sound like a human.

          • linette lee

            I don’t want you or kamikazipilot to wrestle some crazy man with a knife. It’s too dangerous. You can get killed. Don’t try to be a hero.

  • moldavidian

    Apparently these cops never heard of “To Serve and Protect”, the slogan… not the TV show. Even a lot of ordinary citizens would have done more than they did.

  • Jahar

    This is one of those days where any Chinese person should be ashamed of their country. If this had happened anywhere else, the populace would lose their mind and protest. Look at India after those rapes. Here, the people will just cower on their internet and do nothing. they should be ashamed of themselves for this too.

    • Kai

      It’s one thing for someone to say they’re ashamed of their country for something that happened in their country, and another thing for someone to go around telling other people they should be ashamed of their county for something that happened in their country.

      You would the above are the same thing, but they’re not, and the reactions you reliably get will be very different worldwide. The former is a testament to a person’s humility while the latter…

      I think it’s a kinda poor form.

      By the way, India suffered and continues to suffer rapes without the general populace losing their mind and protesting. You didn’t think those were the only rapes of their kind in the history of India, did you? I’m not saying it is right for the population to be apathetic, but I think you used a really piss poor example, and you only used it to set up an unfair juxtaposition.

      You should be ashamed of yourself, of your behavior.

      ;)

      • harvz

        Shut up

      • fabulous

        I think you should wait until you are in a more positive frame of mind before you reply to people’s comments.
        That wink doesn’t hide the fact that your behaviour is condescending and argumentative.

        • mr.wiener

          I agree with him though. as an Australian I’d be F*cking ashamed if we had cops like this and I’d want their liver on a stick.
          I’m damned if I’d want some Ethiopian jug diddler telling me to be ashamed though…. Screw you and the horse you came in on would be my response…could you blame me for that?

          • fabulous

            I would think that as an Australian, you should be used to people telling you what you should be ashamed of. I follow your media, and it would seem that all of your first-world problems count as a national shame.

            I don’t quite understand the Ethiopian reference, but my comment was directed to Kai’s snide remarks. Jahar was simply using a common (to the point of cliche) phrase. The amount of comments on this site which end in exactly the same manner is only eclipsed by penis-size comparisons. Kai’s choosing this comment to deliver his sermon, and in such a confrontational way, just seems like a vendetta or MPMS or kicking the dog.

          • mr.wiener

            Ah, a swipe at Australians…way to get on my good side.

            The Ethiopian thing was a throw away line, which you have missed the point entirely of as you have chosen to tell me how ashamed I need to be of my homeland
            I thought Kia’s comment was fair.
            we will agree to disagree.

          • fabulous

            How do you get to be a Mod?
            Let me make that question clearer so that you don’t misinterpret it.
            How does a person become a Mod on this website?

            I don’t have an intrinsic desire to get on your good side, but let me explain. People whose employment relies upon their own opinions being emphasized will all tell others that their specific area of interest is “a case for shame”, “a national outrage” or “an international embarrassment”. After ingesting enough of this forced opinion, it is no wonder that someone, possibly someone like Jahar, would use similar hyperbole.
            To recap: You come from a first-world country and your first-world problems (cellphone reception, gay marriage, carbon tax) need to be amplified by political parties,interest groups and the media. If you do indeed come from Australia you would, likely, be used to such guilt inducing commentary.

            And back to the point again. Kai’s message, that telling other people how to feel is wrong, is completely defensible. And if he had written a little satirical article and made a link to it, or perhaps a new comment at the top of the thread, that would have been fine.

            However, to single out Jahar’s comment as the most offensive, definitely-needs-to-be-taught-a-lesson comment on the thread and the site seems to be bullying.

          • cocobobolove

            Thanks for sharing this. That is very interesting read. In psychology, self defense mechanisms is often associate with experience or disturbing trauma in the past we can’t deal with. People carry hurt feel they have to be in control all the time.

          • mr.wiener

            How did I get to be a mod?….No one else wanted the job.[and I part my hair very neatly]

            Telling other people they need to be ashamed for national hiccups they have little control over is an exercise in futility.

            I’m sure Jahar doesn’t feel too picked on.

          • fabulous

            Your propensity for taking comments personally is remarkable.

            Telling me you think you know how Jahar feels is an exercise in futility. I never suggested that Jahar feels picked on. It would seem from his latest reply that he hasn’t even noticed the satire in Kai’s comment. The man’s internal monologue is a mystery to me.

            On two personal notes:

            Are your comments being influenced by your country’s election campaign?

            Don’t you Spartans get your hair parted by Persian spears?

          • mr.wiener

            Hmm..I’d better not comment on Antipodean democratic process’ or Helanic hairstyles as apparently I have a propensity for taking things personally.

          • Kai

            Don’t you think you accusing mr.weiner of taking comments personally is ironic after interpreting my comments as condescending and bullying?

            Granted, you can accuse mr.weiner of taking things personally while taking things personally yourself, or accusing me of being argumentative while being argumentative yourself, but…

            PS: I’m relying on your obvious possession of a sense of humor to interpret the above in a constructive manner.

          • fabulous

            Elizabeth Regina…it would be ironic if I was Jahar and I had taken your comments toward me as being condescending and argumentative. As it stands, the rhetorical question falls a little flat.

            It would seem that you have understood the conversation I was having with mr.wiener about as well as he did. I wrote a question about Mod requirements, and then, as I realised that my wording could be misinterpreted, I rephrased it so that that would be less likely. For goodness sakes; I wrote instructions as well.
            Then mr.wiener created his own meaning from the question which was a classic example of “taking it personally”. He wasn’t having a great day at the keyboard.
            I’m not sure at which point I took anything personally which wasn’t initially explicitly personal. I would suggest to you (personal) that there is a difference there. I super-explicitly told mr.wiener that I had some personal questions which he could freely take personally; possibly leading to a more cordial exchange of views. He scuffed those as well! “Antipodean democratic process’” and “Helanic (sic) hairstyles”? Terrible.

            Which brings me away from your predictable defense of your colleague to my initial objection. Helanic is actually spelled Hellenic. If I write my little (sic) in there it lets you know that I know how to spell it and advertises that mr.wiener doesn’t. It’s a little passive aggressive jibe that I can ass off as a completely innocent piece of writing. Mr.wiener’s commentary is so scatter-shot at the best of times that I don’t really take anything he says, whether I agree or not, very seriously. You on the other hand (Kai, I’m speaking to you personally now), appear to have some sort of position of authority; being a Mod and commenting so extensively. Therefore, the passive aggression which I find in your comments is more damaging, and akin to bullying.

            The fact is, there have been many (I quite like chinaSMACK) comments of yours over the years which I have objected to. It’s not practical that I should defend every ESL student or semi-illiterate commentator that you choose to belittle. I chose to defend jahar because I have some free time, I am argumentative and you are not effectively reviewing your word choices.

            It’s just not reasonable to assume that because people can’t effectively argue against your attacks that your attacks are righteous. Jahar obviously didn’t understand the brilliant satire in your final sentence, even with the wink which was your backdoor. You’ve explained that you were directly instructing during the body of your comment and that the “poor form” comment was serious. The condescension and other examples of passive aggression in your comment, and the subsequent replies, is hard to combat for very literal people. Which is why mr.wiener’s Rudd runs verbal rings around Abbott.

            The beauty of passive aggression, apart from the fact that it benefits the speedy-brain over the speedy-fist, is that while you (NOT personal) don’t may be starting a fight, the reactor will get the blame. If you (NOT personal) bait someone well enough, there will be no evidence.

            A couple of examples:
            Questions which belittle a person, such as, “You didn’t really ___, did you?” or “Do you have any idea___?”
            Stating the unbelievability of an opposing view or a view other than your own, such as, “It’s not reasonable to ___.”
            Over-explanation, as if to an idiot, such as, 8 paragraphs about ‘don’t tell someone to be ashamed’.
            Phrases such as “Your better than that”, “That’s poor form” or “I expect more from you”

            Of course it’s not reasonable for you to separate your desire to be heard from your desire to be the smartest person in the room, but I hope you can consider that other intelligent people in here could also take potshots at the comments of Ethiopian ESL students.

            PS: I’m relying on your obvious possession of critical reading skills to see that I am right.

          • mr.wiener

            …..Oh dear.
            Do you ever find at parties when people talk to you and you make a self-deprecating comment so obscure or often that they think you are insulting them?
            Maybe not, I’m sure all the people you hang around with are on the same wave length.
            You are very good though.

          • fabulous

            How did you know? I was at a party just the other day and I referred to myself as an Ethiopian Jug Diggler and the Eritean lady I was talking to got all insulted. Now I see my mistake.
            I’m hoping to join Mu Omicron Delta some day, and then I won’t have these problems. All of the people I hang out with WILL be on the same wave length.

          • mr.wiener

            Best to stay away from the topic of the horn of Africa in these situations. Suggested nationalities/occupations would be Albanian beekeeper or Peruvian weasel herder depending on the company you keep.
            To use your trick of warping this back to our original discussion, if you are with people of a certain nationality it is doubtful that they would want to hear overt criticism of their culture or area of the world. I’m reasonably sure an Eritrean lady would have much to say on the subject of Ethiopia and little of it would be complimentary, but that would be for her to say.
            I’m not sure if the fraternity is looking for pledges at the moment, but I’ll stand as your guarantor if you wish and I’ll try to go soft on the paddle when we haze you [hint: a few copies of readers digest stuffed down the back of your pants work wonders and don't leave any unsightly bulges]
            Back to my.first world problems I’l have to get that absentee ballot in soon, but which to choose?! The polyglot wimp or the opus dei budgy-smuggler.
            Ah decisions decisions, and so much to be ashamed of.

          • Kai

            Your passive-aggressive accusations of my speech being passive-aggressive have merit (see what I did there?). Your understanding of irony, not so much. Still, I can see how people might (and you reliably) interpret my comments that way. For example, that I’m being condescending when I see myself as trying to be emphatic.

            I have objections to what other people say and also how they say it. You do too, such as with me. I know this can be interpreted as flippant but I am being sincere here: How would you have communicated my “defensible” objection to Jahar’s sentiment in your own words?

            I don’t generally see myself “taking potshots” and “belittling” people of lesser ability. On the contrary, I generally argue with people precisely because I think they can be reasoned with as a peer, that they’re intelligent enough to understand me and see my point, instead of being so beneath me that I should just dismiss and ignore them. You think I comment to “be the smartest person in the room” but that strikes me as you sounding very insecure, feeling threatened in some way. We can’t help open ourselves to interpretation whenever we say something about someone else. Am I right in this?

            I’m willing to say that I can’t be sure that ego isn’t involved in my commenting. I’m willing to introspect on it and I already can give allowance to unconsciously being egotistical or occassionally becoming so in arguments that have become personal. That said, many of my comments in disagreement or objection to others is because I’m doing what I can towards nudging the overall content, nature, and atmosphere of the comments section on cS towards what the comment policy hopes for, or at least my interpretation of it. That has been my conscious motive. I try to be reasonable and demand reason from others, because that’s what I want the comments to be like. It’s my civic democratic spirit. It’s also what I’ve been entrusted to at least attempt doing.

            With regards to the rest of your comment and accusations against me, I can only say I find it difficult them to give it too much weight because of how much they apply to you and everyone who has ever reliably expressed or argued a position. It also doesn’t help because of your own history of dishonest behavior on cS. You just aren’t persuasive to me because you don’t have the moral high ground. I see too much hypocrisy. When I read all your criticisms of me, I can’t help but think we both can be tarred and feathered with the harshest narratives of conceit. Could you agree with me on this if nothing else?

            I will continue to “reason” with people I think can be “reasoned” with. You may continue to interpret it as me “belittling” people I think I can “belittle”. Until you provide a compelling role-model, I’m not inclined to wither before your condemnations and the way you choose to view things. Unless you can meet me half way somehow, you will have to settle for publicly shaming me to the applause of the like-minded.

          • fabulous

            Do I really have to answer all of your questions in direct answer format? That seems like a much less artful way of replying to your comments. Let the interview commence.

            K: Er…which is the point of the wink, isn’t it?
            F: Goodness. Winks mean many things don’t they. My original comment was suggesting that you were using a wink as a cheeky way of letting jahar in on the satire of your last sentence. It’s cheekiness was probably also meant to stop jahar from replying defensively. So I guess the answer is, no. The wink doesn’t hide the fact that your behavior is condescending and argumentative; it transforms it.
            And as a satirist’s tool it works well. Swift ended every chapter of Gulliver’s Travels with a ;).

            K: Are you criticizing me for disagreeing with Jahar in a reply to his comment?
            F: No, I disagree with people all the time. You are allowed to disagree. Go ahead.

            K: …are your criticizing me for disagreeing with anyone because I’m a moderator?
            F: No. I’m not criticizing you because you are a moderator. The way I envisaged the moderator’s role (please don’t get upset by this explanation) is that you act as a sort of referee. A referee that gets to participate in the game. So more like a backyard game of rugby in which your older brother knows the rules and will call you if you pass-forward. He gets to play and can tell the players if they are not getting back into position, but he doesn’t need to be a bell-end about it.

            K: …why are you replying underneath mr. wiener’s comments?
            F: This question (a) relied upon me answering a preceding question in a certain way or (b) it is a waste of pixels. (a) If you or I agree or disagree with anything on chinaSMACK we are free to comment at the bottom of the page. (b) That is how nested comments work.

            K: Why not a satiricial (sic) article and a link or a separate top-level comment?
            F: I like this technique. I use it often. Unfortunately it doesn’t work here. I’m not taking issue with something many people regularly do on chinaSMACK. I’m not talking to everyone. I’m talking to you. If I told everybody else on chinaSMACK to stop acting like a university tutor with an inflated sense of responsibility that would be a waste of time.
            Also, I had thought that mods had editorial control and could write articles of their own on chinaSMACK. Which is where my original comment came from.

            K: Can I expect you to answer them?
            F: I’m doing that right here.

            K: Do me a solid and address mine?
            F: I am!

            K: Don’t you think you accusing mr.weiner of taking comments personally is ironic after interpreting my comments as condescending and bullying?
            F: No, and I really feel like I explained that. Let me go and google ironic, as my grasp of the meaning of irony, nay, my honor, has been brought into question. According to Troy Dyer, Irony is “when the actual meaning is the complete opposite from the literal meaning.” What I think you’re trying to say, in a Morissette sort of fashion, is that ‘I accuse mr.wiener of taking comments personally but I also take comments personally’. So that would be hypocrisy, but it isn’t irony. ‘I prosecute mr.wiener for taking comments personally but I also take comments personally’, would be both hypocrisy and irony. What you said was just two things I did.

            K: (see what I did there?)
            F: You noticed examples of passive aggression in my comment? Anywhere near where I wrote “A couple of examples:”? I didn’t even need to wink.

            K: How would you have communicated my “defensible” objection to Jahar’s sentiment in your own words?
            F: Apart from the fact that I wouldn’t have objected in the first place? Maybe.
            “As an Australian I’d be F’ing ashamed if we had cops like this and I’d want their liver on a stick. But I’d be damned if I’d want anybody telling me to
            be ashamed. Screw you and the horse you came in on would be my
            response…could you blame me for that?”
            or
            “This is one of those days where any chinaSMACK commentator should be ashamed of their site. If this had happened anywhere else, the netizens would
            lose their mind and protest. Look at Youtube after that racism. Here, the
            people will just cower behind their keyboards and do nothing. they should be
            ashamed of themselves for this too.”
            or
            “Hey jahar. I get what you’re saying but if you’ve met many Chinese (Or Americans…or anybody for that matter) they won’t take criticism of their country from anybody. People are like that you know. I can call my brother a tosser till the cows don’t shine but if you tell me he’s done something wrong, or that I should be ashamed of something he’s done… we’ll be having issues you and I.”

            K: Am I right in this?
            F: We are open to interpretation no matter what we do. I agree with what you said.

            K: Could you agree with me on this if nothing else?
            F: No. What you know about me, you have created from reading my comments. There aren’t actually many comments written in my own voice as a lot of my comments are a direct reflection of what someone else has said. I can’t imagine where you’ve noticed a history of dishonest behavior, as if you don’t know me how do you know what I’m saying is false.
            And to say that criticism doesn’t apply because everyone is doing it or I am doing it to you, just doesn’t hold up in an argument.
            And to say that you won’t listen because I don’t have the moral high ground. …? Where do you see me sitting on Moral Mountain? I presume that you ascended above me.
            You know me so well.
            (By the way, I was being sarcastic)

            K: Can I please play the martyr for the win?
            F: No, you can’t. Mr.wiener is a compelling role-model. He is a mod who gives his opinion in an honest, interesting and clever manner. All through these message boards he incites conversation and questioning with his easygoing manner. He and I just disagreed and had a good time. You’ve made me answer all of these questions. And unless we can agree that your condescending tone doesn’t help people towards positive change, you will have to settle for blunting my beautiful finger nails to the applause of my manicurist.

          • Kai

            Numbered according to question/response pairs.

            1. I admit that I don’t understand that reply of mine at this point. It sounds like I was replying to something that isn’t in your comment. I don’t know if there was a hiccup to Disqus but either way, it certainly doesn’t make sense as a reply to your criticism.

            2/3. Bell-end is subjective. You’re irked by my personality or how I express myself just like I get irked by other people’s personalities or how they express themselves. I feel like my behavior evidences an understanding of this inescapable truth more than your behavior does, which is why I don’t find you persuasive in your regular criticisms of me. Self-awareness is a trait I strive for and I tend to ascribe authority to those who exhibit it.

            I asked those questions because you accused me of “singling out Jahar’s comment as the most offensive, definitely-needs-to-be-taught-a-lesson comment on the thread and the site”, characterizing it as bullying, and I wanted to understand why you felt that way. I’m still not sure I understand why.

            You seem to understand why there’s nothing necessarily nefarious in when you choose to “defend” someone against what you say is my “belittling”, but why do you assume I nefariously “singled out” Jahar? You understand why “it’s not practical that [you] defend every ESL student or semi-illiterate commentator that [I] choose to belittle” but how come you don’t extend that same understanding to why I might reply to Jahar and not someone or everyone else?

            You give yourself (and certain others) a benefit of the doubt you don’t extend to others (such as me) for what is fundamentally the same behavior. If you weren’t aware of this aspect of your behavior and judgement, maybe you do now. But if you were aware, then you were being disingenuous, and I wasn’t just projecting it onto what I was reading.

            4. You objected to my reply to Jahar as singling him out and then said it would’ve been fine if I had written a separate article or responded in a separate top-level comment. Asking you why you’re replying underneath mr.weiner’s comment is meant to question why you prescribe a certain way of responding to me but not for yourself.

            5. See above. No, you’re not taking issue with something many people regularly do on chinaSMACK, you’re taking issue with me doing something that many people regularly do on cS. Why is that? I wondered if it is because I’m a moderator, but you say now it isn’t. So what is it? You’re talking to me just as I was talking to Jahar.

            Heh, “acting like a university tutor with an inflated sense of responsibility”…I sure hope you already understand why I can’t in good conscience take your accusations of passive-aggressiveness seriously with jewels like this. It doesn’t require a liberal interpetation of passive-aggressiveness for either of us to interpret an overwhelming amount of examples in our arguments. As a tit for tat, I don’t agree with your “defender of the average joe” crusade either.

            Not sure why you thought we can write our own articles. The vast majority of our articles are translations of original Chinese internet content. You’ve been reading cS long enough to know we deliberately avoid publishing commentary and editorials and only share our own personal thoughts in the comments with everyone else. After all these years, did you really not know, or are you trying to explain away your earlier comment? When have you ever seen cS publish an article to directly respond in this manner to a cS comment?

            6/7. Yes, two days and five replies later, four if I’m being generous, and still avoiding any self-awareness or acknowledgments except in the most tight-fisted begruding way.

            8. Thanks for the opportunity to use this: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/irony

            9. I think this inside joke is failing. When I say “inside joke”, I’m not saying I wasn’t trying to communicate a point to you. I am saying I recognize it isn’t working when you stubbornly feign ignorance or actually are that lacking in self-awareness. I’m (perhaps conceitedly) saying I think I try acknowledge your valid points but you don’t return the courtesy as a gesture of good faith in argument. Meh.

            10. So I opted to be direct instead of indirect, emphatic instead of satirical, which I think could be interpreted as just another form of passive-aggressiveness. Hm. How come you take the direct approach with me when you suggest you’d take indirect passive-aggressive approaches to voicing an objection?

            11. Heh.

            12. We both know each other from reading each other’s writing and reactions to what someone else has said. How are we different in this?

            On history of dishonest behavior, let’s start with when you first started reading and commenting on cS. Can you tell us about your history here? I obviously don’t know everything about you, just as you don’t know everything about me. You may even think you have an asymetric advantage over me in terms of how much you know about me versus what I know about you. It may be true to some extent because I’ve always used my own name and photo when commenting and blogging my thoughts. I don’t hide behind anonymity as you do, but don’t overestimate how anonymous you are. That you come after me with the benefit of anonymity is craven as it is. I even think there’d be more genuine respect between us if you didn’t reliably hide behind anonymity.

            Don’t get me wrong. I understand the arguments and defenses for wanting to be anonymous, but I think what I’ve said above is also valid.

            I didn’t say “criticism doesn’t apply because everyone is doing it or I am doing it to you”. What? Where did you get that from?

            I also didn’t say I wouldn’t listen to you because you don’t have the moral high ground. I said, “you just aren’t persuasive to me because you don’t have the moral high ground.” I’m obviously listening to you by responding to you in what I believe to be good faith. but I am saying I’m not convinced by the reasons you have for interpreting me the way you do, which you’re expressing to a certain extent to either “humble” me or otherwise embarrass me. If either of these two suspicions of mine are wrong or unfair to you, feel free to argue otherwise jut as I argued I wasn’t objecting to Jahar’s comment out of some egotistical intent to belittle, bully, condescend, or be the smartest person in the room. Why do you invest your time in commenting to me? Since I’m on defense here between you and I, I’d be defending my character. What’s your motivation?

            13. Sure, mr.weiner is a compelling role-model for you. Why does he have to be for me? Why do I have to consider his persona more “honest, interesting, and clever”? So you guys are closer soul-mates, but all I see is subjective preference and prejudice instead of objective advantage and desirability. All the people I would endear myself to by pandering to your sensibilities are people I find objectionable to my values and principles. Why betray myself to earn your favor? You want mods who will cater to the values (however I might characterize them) you have for the comments section. I am a mod who will cater to the values (however you might characterize them) I interpret cS to have.

            As an aside, I think mr.weiner can indeed be a role-model for this community. That’s why he was approached and vouched for. Likewise, someone thinks I can be a role-model for this community. I value that person’s opinion of me more than I value yours. You disagree and that’s fine.

            I think what we can agree to is that we both see each other very negatively and can point to a long history of comments each of us have made to justify our dislike. Call it ego-preservation if you want, our personalities just don’t match. We’ll both have to be content with having a slightly better relationship with mr.weiner than we do with each other.

          • fabulous

            “With regards to the rest of your comment and accusations against me, I
            can only say I find it difficult to give them too much weight because
            of how much they apply to you and everyone who has ever reliably
            expressed or argued a position.” Is the answer to your question.

            And my history of dishonest behavior stems from when I first started visiting cS. While in China I visited cS and started commenting under a pseudonym. I then changed the pseudonym because I became more fabulous and I needed something to reflect that. The actions on this board of which I am most ashamed were how far the argument with the autistic(?) university lecturer went. To be fair though, I did think he was a caricature until he told us to check his credentials, in which he stated something along the lines of “I’m mildly autistic and I’m bad in social situations”. At which point I advised him not to put so much personal detail on the interweb. Which was already too late.

            When I finished my interview earlier, I worried that I had been too harsh; too aggressive. I worried that I was getting so massively off course and that try as I might, there would be no resolution. I worried that we’d keep piling argument upon defense upon elaboration upon misdirection, until I’d have to take a sabbatical to keep delivering a two sentence message.

            What was my motivation? It’s written in my last comments. What is my current motivation? …
            Upon introspection, I find that you and I are very much alike. We both make comments which can be interpreted in different ways and we both defend our comments by saying that we did our best to avoid misinterpretation. We both say that we are trying to stop the argument while simultaneously laying down gauntlets. For whatever reason, we both use a range of arguments; some which overlap and others which are unique. I inferred that you act like a bell-end and you inferred that I was dishonest and cowardly. But we share the ideal that the discussion isn’t complete until the other person accepts unequivocal surrender on my terms.

            So here I am, meeting you half way, being as introspective as I need to be to get my own opinion across. I look deep into my heart and I find that, regardless of the obvious fact that I think I’m right, I’m not wrong. I will however, look more closely at the effectiveness of my comments.

            PS: I “did you a solid” and answered your questions. Can you please answer a question for me. If the intention is to inform and possibly modify behavior, and the other person is the beneficiary, criticism/feedback/criticism of the effectiveness of the message’s delivery should be welcomed. Don’t you agree that my original comment, both in its message and incorporation of passive aggression, is correct?

          • Kai

            1. Which question?

            2. You seem to have an unhealthy insecurity regarding university lecturers.

            3. You misunderstand what motivation I’m asking about. I’m insinuating an insecurity behind the attention you give to me just as you insinuated an insecurity behind my behavior of objecting to certain comments.

            4. It’s reassuring that you see how alike we are. There is some self-awareness within you after all. I had previously contemplated suggesting that we try characterizing how the other sees us, as an exercise in self-awareness, but this is good enough.

            The only thing I disagree with you here is the “ideal that the discussion isn’t complete until the other person accepts unequivocal surrender on my terms”. I genuinely and consciously try to avoid that. What I aim for is good faith in discussion, usually evidenced by acknowledgement of the other’s valid or agreeable points, demonstrating a measure of self-awareness or humility, and sticking to the actual subject being discussed, not the persons in the discussion. I struggle sometimes with especially the latter, like with you, because of our history of antagonism, but I think everyone in a debate or argument wants to be heard and acknowledged.

            In my mind, I go out of my way to explicitly acknowledge what the other person is saying, often repeating or rephrasing what they’ve said. To me, I’m trying to establish that I’ve understood them correctly, show that I’m listening, and sometimes to make clear what I agree with and am not disagreeing with.

            Do you do this? Granted, maybe it’s not your personality to communicate this way. This was simply something I learned ever since I was young and you may have grown up differently. You may even think of that as a tedious way of communicating, and it can be if used for everything. But I’ve always considered it appropriate and helpful when discussing contentious matters. Maybe you think you’ve gone out of your way to give me the benefit of the doubt, to meet me halfway but I just don’t recognize how you have. I’m all ears.

            My point is that I try to communicate in good faith, especially here on cS because it can be so divisive. A lot of my antagonism towards you is because I feel you don’t. I’m open to you correcting me and I appreciate your attempt to meet me halfway here. At the very least, I think we both know that maybe our most natural way of communicating isn’t effective with at least the other.

            PS: I don’t think it was correct. What is “positive frame of mind”? It’s vague. I thought I was in a positive frame of mind because I thought I could’ve flamed him but didn’t and instead just explained my objection and gave him a friendly wink.

            Tied to that was not a criticism of how I replied to Jahar but how I “reply to people”. This itself broadened the subject beyond Jahar onto my behavior overall as a person. This is then reinforced by your second paragraph.

            The passive-aggressiveness was obvious, yes. We’re both rather attuned to it as we’ve demonstrated repeatedly here, and our history predisposed us to not being exactly charitable in our interpretation of each other’s behavior. Maybe we’d get along better if we tried to keep our prejudice against each other conscious. Shrug.

            Your subsequent comments made it clear you felt I was picking on people, when I can’t imagine why I’d want to pick on Jahar specifically at all. I don’t even know the Ethiopian ESL jokes you guys are throwing around. Maybe you guys know more about him than I do or something. But to me, I simply found the idea of telling people to feel ashamed of their countries for something their country had little reasonable control over illogical and thus offensive. I thought I had been sincere and fair.

            I could be much harsher and I think you know that. You’ve been around when I simply called people “idiots” for what I considered idiotic behavior, as readily as you’ve called me condescending. I like to think I’ve mellowed out, matured, and became a little wiser. To be clear, I wouldn’t call Jahar an idiot for this, because it doesn’t qualify, but what I’m trying to say is you might’ve been able to see how I wasn’t being the things you accused me of if you had given me the benefit of the doubt.

            Overall though, I think the main difference between your comment in reply to me and my comment in reply to Jahar is that I was objecting to Jahar’s comment, not his commenting, whereas you were more or less objecting to my commenting. I think you understand the nuance here. That is the foundation for why your original comment is incorrect in both message and incorporation of passive aggression.

            Wait, is there really an incorrect incorporation of passive aggression? You incorporated it successfully I think. I just don’t think your original comment was nearly as fair and in good faith to me as I was fair and in good faith to Jahar.

          • fabulous

            I come back and find that we have been joined in our discussion. What a colorful character. Has he been around long?

            K: I didn’t say “criticism doesn’t apply because everyone is doing it or I am doing it to you”. What? Where did you get that from?
            F: “With regards to the rest of your comment and accusations against me, I can only say I find it difficult to give them too much weight because of how much they apply to you and everyone who has ever reliably expressed or argued a position.” Is the answer to your question.

            University, eh.

            There was a guy on chinaSMACK a while back. He was a university lecturer. But his defining feature was that he wrote amazingly stereotypical, first-year-in-China comments and humble-brags. ChinaSMACK is rife with the stuff. “I haven’t found too many girls here who trim their bush!”. “I just saw a guy in a Cadillac! And they call it a communist country!”. But this guy was using a picture of a Warhammer player and a human name, so I assumed he was a caricature of these people, and I just laughed along. Until it became clear that he was an actual person and I told him his comments were wack. He got defensive and more people joined in. Until I came back one day and the whole thing had exploded. He had deleted his profile. Somebody had threatened his job… I didn’t catch that bit. The end.

            University…

          • Kai

            1. You’re right, what I said can be paraphrased that way but I didn’t recognize it because I was thinking of a different context. To me, I was making a point about why I don’t feel shamed by your criticisms, because it’s like accusing me of breathing. To you, you probably saw it as me using the “but other people do it too” defense. That itself is based on us having two different contexts in mind. I felt your central criticism of me was that I disagreed with others.

            2. I remember that guy. He was threatening to sue us. But I’m not quite sure what you’re trying to say with this part of your comment so please clarify or elaborate. I mean, it started off with you insinuating that I sound like a university lecturer, right? What’s the evolution here?

          • mr.wiener

            I think he’s enjoying this a little too much, winding you up I mean.
            If sex is poor man’s polo then this is fabulous pillow talk.

          • Kai

            Heh, it’s okay, we’ve done this before, and honestly, we’re both enjoying it on some level, taking snipes at each other and knowing how the other is going to respond. Like I said earlier, internet penis-fencing. That’s one of the things I think (but not absolutely sure) we both actually implicitly understand about these exchanges.

            My disadvantage is that I’m not anonymous and I can’t use all of the tactics he uses. Oh wells.

          • Whaddashack

            You’re right. I think you need to start revealing the identities of trouble posters. There’s been too many of them lately. Approve comments and start banning users with offensive names like “chinkicide”. And offensive comments just as well.

            Most posters attack with anonymity like the cowards they are. They don’t reveal their identities for shame yet feel it’s right to attack another. They also like to pretend to be other nationalities to start trouble.

            Tougher policies are a great deterrent for offensive insults.

            As for fabulous, he’s just a shit-smearing louse with a very thin skin.

          • Kai

            Chinkicide was banned, not just for his username but also for his behavior in violation of our comment policy.

            As for offensive comments, be warned that we might have a different level of tolerance for offensive comments. We recognize them as often very unpleasant to read for many people (which definitely includes ourselves), but we think they serve some utility as a juxtaposition to many of the offensive Chinese netizen comments we translate that many Chinese netizens agree to.

            Perhaps we’re too idealistic, thinking examples of the same behavior will temper those who might be prone to acting the same way, but this is one of those age-old philosophical questions. People avoid indulging in certain behaviors out of fear of punishment as well as fear of embarrassment. What’s the proper amount of each? For example, does censoring racist speech lessen the amount of racism in a society or does it just send it underground and encourage the false notion that there’s no racism in one’s society? That’s one of the enduring issues in things like the phenomenon of political correctness.

            There are so many considerations with this issue, so many pros and cons to any approach taken to grapple with it. Our comment policy and enforcement has to reflect our values and the relative priorities of those values. For example, do we censor all racist speech so those remaining can focus on discussing other issues, or do we allow at least some racist speech to remain so that the issue of racism remains one that everyone grapples with because it remains very real in our world?

          • fabulous

            Where would we find the comment policy?

          • Kai

            You’ve been reading and commenting long enough to know. It used to be linked directly in the pre-Disqus comment form and is ocassionally linked to in the comments. It’s still in the FAQ page where it has been for years. Here: http://www.chinasmack.com/faq#comment-policy

          • mr.wiener

            I think the point of CS is that it does give a lot of latitude to people to post their opinions and leave them up for other’s scrutiny without being a hate site or a PC talk shop.
            Trolls will be tolerated up to a point, once beyond that they get the bum rush. They even get allowed back after a while.
            So instead of getting a site with 2 apposing sides going at it hammer and tongs , we get a middle with some pretty varied opinions and experiences and the occasional dingbat troll [from both extremes] flitting in to vent their spleen before departing. It ain’t perfect ,but it seems to work.
            The day I have to hit the smite button on every comment that isn’t PC is the day I should hang up my Mod hat and magic mod underpants.

          • Whaddashack

            It’s nice to see that you’re not offended by that loathsome coward’s comment. Most moderators I know would have no tolerance for any slight swung their way. That rat wouldn’t last 3 minutes in most other forums, and they wouldn’t buy the typical final plea, “freedom of speech”.

          • Kai

            Are you criticizing me for disagreeing with Jahar in a reply to his comment? Or are your criticizing me for disagreeing with anyone because I’m a moderator?

            If the former, yes, I could write a satiricial article and link to it or make a separate comment, but I thought it would make more contextual sense if I just replied directly underneath what I’m referring to because that’s the point of nested comments. Likewise, why are you replying underneath mr. wiener’s comments? Why not a satiricial article and a link or a separate top-level comment?

            If the latter, there is no rule here that moderators can’t have or express their own opinions and be part of the conversation and community they were drawn from.

            To answer your question: Moderators are specificially chosen for demonstrating a consistent level of reason, rationality, and respect for this site’s comment policy. The final decision for recruiting a mod on cS is made by Fauna. With regards to mr.weiner, I approached him and then vouched for him.

            Back to the point: You said my disagreement with Jahar was “snide”. I can see that interpretation, especially with the wink at the end, though I was aiming for “nudge nudge, wink wink, get what I mean?” there. I wrote that last line and wink intentionally to give an example of what I was pointing out. It’s the notion of turning something around so the person doing it can put themselves in another’s shoes. It’s the whole “how would you feel if it was done to you” argument.

            There was no intent to single out Jahar’s comment, much less single it out as “the most offensive, definitely-needs-to-be-taught-a-lesson comment”, but I understand how it can seem that way.

            The fact is, all those other things I find objectionable in other comments on this post? I’ve probably “singled out” examples of them before, in other posts in the past. It’s just not practical that I either object to everything in order to object to one thing. It’s not reasonable to assume I don’t object to other wrongs just because I’m not objecting to an example of it in this very moment. Just because Jahar objects to an example of police failure in China likewise doesn’t mean he doesn’t object to examples of police failure in other countries.

            I clearly did not see my response to Jahar as bullying. In fact, I was trying to be tactful about it, avoiding accusatory language, trying to use examples to illustrate my point, not explicitly saying what the opposite of humility could be, anticipating possible misunderstandings of what I’m trying to say, reviewing my initial word choices. Of course, it’s not reasonable for you to know exactly my intent and my conscious efforts to soften my disagreement with Jahar, but I hope you can consider them now just as you can consider how someone could’ve been harsher in response, ranging from massively flaming him online to a 10 on 1 group beatdown if he had said it to some drunk hypernationalist’s face.

          • fabulous

            Thanks for the information on Mods Kai.
            So it’s like a frat then?

            I thought that Mods had to pass the 12 Labors of chinaSMACK in order to gain some sort of editorial control over the website.

          • Kai

            You asked a question, made sure we understood it as sincere. I sincerely answered you, in good faith.

            In return, you disingenuously insult us.

            No, it’s not a frat. It’s called taking responsibility for one’s judgement. I don’t agree with mr.weiner on everything and he certainly doesn’t agree with me on everything, but I saw enough that I felt was reliable and trustworthy about him.

            I asked you quite a few questions in my response to you. Can I expect you to answer them? No, they are not all rhetorical, and the rhetorical ones are intended to solicit a response as well, whether they be concession, admission, disagreement, or clarfication. I try my best to address your points out of honesty. Do me a solid and address mine?

          • fabulous

            I was sure that I had made my point clearly in my last feature-length comment. Apparently not.
            Hopefully my belief that mr.wiener and I have settled our disagreements into a friendly banter is also not a misinterpretation of text.

            I think that you could ask some of the English teachers on this board to explain to you the creation of meaning from text. When I read your last comment, you sounded something like Dean Gordon Pritchard. I read what you wrote through the lens of my personal experience and what I’ve seen you say before. You did a similar thing.

            You thought that I was being disingenuous because you added a disingenuous tone to what you read. It also seems like you have a negative opinion of frats. I, on the other hand, have no opinion of frats and what you and mr.wiener said about admission and your actual responsibilities seemed frat-like to me. Hence the question and whimsical (or insulting, depending on the tone) comment.

            Now I have to go and write another long-winded reply to your other thorough reply.

          • mr.wiener

            Let the love-fest commence.

          • Kai

            Yes, it’s entirely possible that I think you’re being disingenuous because I added a disingenuous tone to what I read. Is it not also possible that you think I’m being condescending because you added a condescending tone to what you read?

            For all your attacks against me of passive-aggressiveness, you sigh “apparently not”. I’m going to say that’s ironic. Do you want to argue about how it is or isn’t?

            The whole “we’re reading into each other what we want to read” is something you and I have gone over before already. Why are you still trying to advance it as if it wasn’t something I’ve established before? All the motions we go through is either to persuade each other or persuade the peanut gallery. At the end of the day, we can both be accused of internet penis-fencing as much as we can be accused of having a good heart-to-heart.

            Though for that, I think you’d have to answer my questions instead of avoiding them.

          • Whaddashack

            And that’s where you’re wrong. Jahar’s comment is far from the most offensive, and no one made that claim.

            The most offensive happens to be yours. Here’s why:
            1) You’re oversensitive
            2) You’re gay
            3) You’re dumb
            4) You’re passive aggressive
            5) You’re a hypocrite
            6) You’re comments suck
            and last but not least
            YOU just suck.

            Understood?

          • fabulous

            This is an interesting comment.

        • Kai

          Er…which is the point of the wink, isn’t it?

      • Jahar

        About India, people can’t protest all day, everyday. And they don’t need to. They wanted to show their anger about the state of their country, and they accomplished that. Where is the line for people here? When will they say enough is enough? This is a huge show of how weak and ineffective their police force is, how lacking of character, yet they continue to do nothing. If they aren’t ashamed of this, then they are just as bad. If allow it, then they deserve it.

        Also, you did the same thing you just said I was wrong to do.

        • Kai

          Yeah, that’s what the wink at the end was for, an indication of self-awareness. It was like “see what I did there?” or “know what I mean now?”

          What you said about India fundamentally applies to China as well. Do you have an idea of how many protests (that the government terms “mass incidents”) occur in China each year? People in China protest to show their anger just as people in India complain on the internet everyday. The reason I felt you were using a bad example for an unfair juxtaposition is because India isn’t really that starkly different from China. Both countries are afflicted by many of the same frustrating social problems including rape and police ineffectiveness (not to mention government ineffectiveness and a divide between the central government initiatives and regional/local implementation/execution). In most ways, I’d say they are more alike then they are different.

          I see this example as upsetting but overall, not that huge of a show of how weak and ineffective the police are in China. When I think about everything I’ve read, seen, and know, yes, there are a lot of examples of the police making mistakes or failing to do what we expect of them, but I also know that there are plenty of other examples where they have. When you look in the media, you also reliably see the police promoting their successes and accomplishments even if they rarely and understandably get the public’s attention as much as their failures. Yeah, the fact that they have to do that itself ironically suggests they lack a certain amount of credibility with the people and they have to prove themselves to the people, but it’s still something to be taken into account. Keep in mind that I agree entirely that the police (and government in general) do not enjoy the esteem that their counterparts in many other countries enjoy, but I personally don’t see how this once incident thoroughly indicts the entire country’s police force nor do I see the lack of a nationwide street protest an indictment of the country’s people.

          I think it’s clear that many Chinese people are arguably “ashamed” of and have negative generalizations of the police in their country. Just look at all the translated comments in this post and so many in the past. We’ve seen some incidents where the people have been angry enough to protest and petition as well (one example mentioned in a comment translated by Fauna in yesterday’s post).

          But this is what I mean about there being a difference between someone saying they themselves are ashamed of their country and someone else telling someone they should be ashamed of their country. It’s similar to a person criticizing themselves versus someone else criticizing them. There are enough Americans who will reliably say they’re ashamed of the Iraq War but get someone to say to their face “you should be ashamed of your country” and you will reliably get some indignation in return. Why? There’s a good reason why, and that’s why I said what you did is “poor form”.

          Yes, people deserve what they allow, like the government they allow to govern them, like the Japanese invaders they allowed themselves to become susceptible to. At a certain point, everyone has to take a measure of responsibility for what happens to them. Even if that doesn’t absolve the culpability of the party doing it to them, I still agree that that people are ultimately responsible for themselves. This doesn’t change the fact that there’s a difference between someone expressing being ashamed of their country and someone else telling them to be ashamed of their country.

          For example, “I’m ashamed of my mother for not disciplining my baby brother” vs “you should be ashamed of your mother for not disciplining your baby brother”. Or “I’m ashamed of my country because of the ruling in the Treyvon Martin case” vs “you should be ashamed of your country for the ruling in the Treyvon Marin case”.

          I hope I’ve explained the point I was trying to make in addition to making clear some other aspects of what I think about this overall situation. I understand what you’re feeling, perhaps a profound disappointment and frustration, but I think the way you expressed yourself comes across as needlessly offensive, a way of expression that you yourself woudln’t appreciate if it were directed at you. Presuming you have the language skills, would you say the same thing to a random Chinese person on the street, “Hey, this is a day where you should be ashamed of your country”? Imagine your reaction if a Chinese person did it to you with some random example of failure in your country? That they aren’t just criticizing but specifically telling you something is wrong with you as a person if you’re not feeling “ashamed” of your country.

          • Jahar

            Wow there was a big thing there, and yeah, I don’t feel picked on. I chose the Indian example because it was the most recent non-developed world incident of people protesting the state of their society that I could think of.

            I had assumed the wink was to make a joke, but one can never be too certain with typing and the internet. Things can be misinterpreted, especially sarcasm, satire, and dry humor.

            Now yeah, I just chose a common phrase, and yeah, it’s really what I feel. But your argument about saying you’re ashamed of your mother isn’t really valid, as I wasn’t saying this to Chinese people. At least, I was under the assumption that this website translates Chinese web stories to English for those who don’t speak and read Chinese fluently, namely non-Chinese people.

            I don’t think it’s a good analogy anyway, because what these police did is far far worse, in my eyes, the poor parenting skills.

            But, of course I would expect anyone I said it to to find it offensive. I find the whole situation offensive. And I still think anyone related to this should be ashamed. I feel ashamed that other members of my species can behave that way.

          • Kai

            Yeah, things can be misinterpreted on the internet even when people think they’ve included enough cues, so I’m glad you gave me the chance to clear up any possible misunderstanding.

            Yes, by virtue of translating to English, cS targets people who don’t speak and read Chinese fluently, but if you think about it, you likely know there are a lot of ethnic Chinese people who don’t speak and read Chinese fluently or speak and read English more fluently that they read cS. If you take my profile photo at face value, you could guess that I’m Asian and likely Chinese if I’m so involved in cS. You could guess that people are still going to be defensive of any identity they identify with.

            For example, I have a very different background from the average mainland Chinese netizen, but I can still identify with them on many things. If cS has taught me anything, it is how remarkably similar we are in so many things despite how remarkably different we are in other things.

            I’m happy you understand why your comment could be offensive. If you want to feel ashamed as a human that human cops failed to stop a murder and effectively protect another human, by all means, go for it. It is a mark of your humility.

            Or at least that’s what some people will think. Others may attack you as being pretentious, that you’re pretending to be ashamed of something they suspect that you’re actually not ashamed of, that you’re just being politically correct, that you, as a non-Chinese have no reasonable control over what happened and thus shouldn’t feel remotely ashamed for what happened, that it is only the Chinese who should feel ashamed because it was only with Chinese people that this happened, so why should you pretend to be ashamed at all? Then the Chinese people will say, no, it’s just the Anhui people who should be ashamed…and so on…

            Can’t win them all.

      • Whaddashack

        I couldn’t agree more. Also, it’s important to note that from the netizen’s comments themselves, most feel ashamed and are unhappy about the quality of their police force. While I’ve seen this sort of shame in Eastern countries like Korea and Japan, tough luck seeing it in a Western country. Amanda Todd’s case and how horribly it was handled ring some bells?

        It’s important to understand that while cases like these are often the most talked about in China, they happen much more frequently in the US and Canada, at least based on statistics.

        Two gems:
        http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/02/13/288854/canada-police-abused-raped-women/

        http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2008/06/09/stats-can.html

        But you’ll never see people like Jahar calling for national shame here. My personal opinion? Those crimes are both despicable and the White “males” who stay silent and support this should be strung up by the balls along with the criminals.

        • Kai

          I wouldn’t expect commenters here to start comments calling for national shame over incidents in their own countries, but I do see people of those countries calling for national shame over incidents in their own country on websites more focused about their country.

          Where I empathize with you is that I do wish foreigners would acknowledge when they might be coming across as too judgmental, hypocritical, or self-righteous and recognize that sometimes Chinese retort with examples of similar things to be ashamed of in their country not to deflect but to beg fairness in criticism and discussion.

          Of course, each discussion has to be judged individually, but I do think there are a lot of instances where people aren’t giving each other benefit of the doubt due to too much experience with other disingenuous people. There’s introspection and humility in all of our societies and home countries, but some people don’t recognize that or refuse to, and yeah, they get really obnoxious.

          I’m not sure I’d lump Jahar into that group though. At least in this discussion, he discussed in good faith and acknowledged that what he said to be offensive to others.

          • Whaddashack

            Kai, I commend you for being cool and logical, unlike most of the anti-Chinese, mainly White posters here. Many who don’t even live in China nor visited the country nor left their own, yet feel obliged to chant hateful, mouth foaming commentary out of jealousy, frustration and insecurity at Chinese. Most dream of war but would never dare sit in a cell with 4 burly Latino, Asian, White liberal, Black men (or other hated racial group) and chant their same bullshit. They’d just cower and pee their pants in that scenario.

            Did you see the one pretending to be Japanese/Chinese (Joseph Matsuura, I think)? Laughable.

            “I do see people of those countries calling for national shame over incidents in their own country on websites more focused about their country.”
            Look at the links I gave. It’s only the victimized group that’s complaining, never the majority.

            I’d lump Jahar in the same group as the rest in a heartbeat.

    • Whaddashack

      Wow, so the majority of the comments expressing shame and dissatisfaction over their country’s police mean nothing? Nor the fact that people in China aren’t free to protest or riot, unlike democratic India or “Canada”. Yes, you don’t even have to use a third world equivalent, a “first” world nation like Canada should suffice. You’ll see why later.

      I’m afraid police forces in your deplorable, wannabe and cultureless country are doing far worse:
      http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2013/02/13/human_rights_report_bc_mounties_accused_of_rape_abuse_of_aboriginal_women.html

      It took the courage of a Chinese Canadian to write the article and speak up for the natives when they only make up 4%. The question is what the hell have the majority 80% White Canadians been doing? YOU should be ashamed of yourselves and look at your whole country before calling out people better than all of you combined.

      You’re such a hypocrite. But then, all Canadians are. It comes with being an insignificant little.

      • Probotector

        Why are all Canadian hypocrites?

        • Whaddashack

          I don’t know. Could be the fact that the clubbing of seal cubs, drinking of dead man’s ale and the gobbling down of prairie oysters might have something to do with it. As well as the constant rape, assault and murder in Canada. Despite all the bragging, next to third-world China, first-world Canada looks like Mexico.

          • Probotector

            But that’s not all Canadians though who perpetrate such things.

          • Whaddashack

            Enough are.

      • Jahar

        Wow look at you. Super Chinese nationalist man. Shouldn’t you be railing against Senkaku?

        Yeah the majority of internet people complaining means nothing. People in China aren’t free to protest or riot? They choose to remain this way. And, by the way, they protest lots of things.

        With your use of quotes, are you implying that Canada isn’t real? And that it isn’t a first world country. this, by the way, is an outdated term.

        Yeah, police and other in Canada and others have done shameful things. But this is hardly the norm.

        Chinese people are better than all others combined? You sound like Hitler. Also, what’s an insignificant little? There is no noun here. How is it that you can know the word insignificant but you don’t know that you need a noun in there? And if it’s so insignificant, why do soo many people in China want to study or live there so badly?

        Also, not every persons opinion of themselves is based on their country’s economic and military size. It’s almost like they are overcompensating for something. besides, I’ll pick standard of living over gdp any day of the week. As would any non-blindly nationalistic retard.

        • Whaddashack

          Lmao. Chinese Nationalist? No, I’m just a regular Chinese and hold nothing against the Japanese people. They are world class and I feel much more in common with them than with you. At least they don’t jump into conclusions, can think logically, create the world’s best technology, and have honor. Whew. Surprise, surprise. I even like how they look better than White Canadians. But that would be self-flattery, after all, we’re both Asian. They also have an amazing culture while Europeans bore the fuck out of me.

          Canadians are always pretending to be that ugly American and trolling. Just cause their country sucks, has no culture, bores the hell out of everyone, is full of hippy, cowardly faggots. Can’t expect much. Most are French, and we all know how badly the French suck at war. Even while technologically “superior”. Wait, I forgot I’m talking about your shitty country that even Americans describe as a fart in a windstorm ROFL.

          As always, and like most Canucks, you’re full of crap. China doesn’t exactly have the same freedom to riot and protest, especially not against their government. It’s easy to be an arm-chair hero and soldier. Last time the Chinese protested against their government, you know what happened. While Canadians are free to riot and even kill each other over some retarded hockey game.

          Please, Canada isn’t even the top destination for Chinese and the rate of immigration has decreased rapidly for Chinese. You’re not even in the top 4 favorite countries for migration, and will always be that third choice, fifth rate country that American/British rejects choose.
          Lastly, Chinese people aren’t better than all others combined. But better than White Canadians? Of course.

          Even Kazakhstan kicked your asses in the Olympics. A poorer and much smaller country.

          • Jahar

            So you deflect, talk about other things. Why do you hate Canada so much? I know you just post to hear yourself talk, but why don’t we address the original point I made. Do you really think their behavior is acceptable? Really?

            edit: and you said we aren’t top 4, but we are the third choice? which is it? And the value of a nation is based on how many medals it gets in the summer Olympics? thanks for the info.

          • Whaddashack

            No deflection there. Just pointing out how silly your whole comment sounds, especially in lieu of how most Chinese condemned the police actions.

            The whole of China should feel ashamed? So do you feel ashamed of the appalling ways you treat native Canadians? Do you feel ashamed at your own abusive police officers? Do you feel ashamed for seal clubbing, for rioting and killing your own countrymen over a stupid game of hockey? For all the serial rapist and killers in your country? For exporting illegal drugs to your neighbors?

            The third choice was figurative, just a way of saying that you’re below second rate.

            Not being within the top 4 is literal and factual.

            No, it’s just embarrassing how bad you guys actually are at sport, despite the emphasis on sports. Kazakhstan wiped the floor with you. Even North Korea does better. No wonder so many Canadians lack culture and have no pride.

            Let’s get this straight, I think what the police did is not right. But I’m not retarded enough to blame a whole nation, especially one that largely feels this isn’t right too.

          • Jahar

            it is deflection. Still not addressing the point, you just continue with the name calling.
            Yeah I’m not happy with the situation with the natives. Am I ashamed of it? No. The shameful part happened long before I got here. It is embarrassing and shameful though. Of course I’m angry when our police do something illegal. It’s against the law, and it damages the reputation that others work so hard to maintain and improve. But it’s hardly indicative of the police force in general, as this was.

            Do I feel ashamed of seal clubbing? of course not. I have no issue with hunting and trapping. Also, these people are not going against the principles of what they do.

            I think people rioting is idiotic, especially over a hockey game, yeah. and i think it makes all sports fans look bad. But again, nothing in the principles of being a sports fan says anything about behaving well. And criminals are criminals. They aren’t police officers. And yes, when police officers are involved, it’s shameful.

            You keep saying less thant 4th choice, as if that’s a bad thing. just under 4th choice in the work of places to study or live? in the world? This is a bad thing? Also, check your facts. everywhere I look puts canada at number 3.

            Canada had 18 medals, Kazakhstan had 13. how is that wiping the floor? oh yeah. gold isthe only one that matters right? and summer olympic sports are the only ones that matter, right? and this is the best way to judge a country, right?

            Canada lacks culture? says the guy from the country that destroyed it’s own, and has spent the last 30 years copying everyone else.

            I’m not blaming the whole nation for what they did, I’m blaming them for not doing something about it. The guys kept their jobs, man.

          • Whaddashack

            Wrong, I’ve addressed every point and challenged your ridiculous notion that the all Chinese should feel ashamed about their country over something they have no control over. Most feel that the police were inadequate and pathetic, and that’s good enough in my books to spare them a condemning judgment.

            When dealing with you, I have to constantly remind myself that you’re the person who bragged about taking on someone with a knife. In real life, you’d be running so fast and ahead of any Chinese, you’d be the Olympic superstar your country lacks.

            Did you actually read the news articles I gave you, SaabJahari? Because the discrimination and abuse of native Canadians still continues to this day, police and “Canadians” are still raping, murdering and exploiting the native Canadians. But no one cares about them or their situation, instead they call them chugs and other stupid names. Those people are screaming for justice, the problem is justice (inept Canadian police) are among the main culprits of abuse. So no, it’s not a thing of the past. In fact, some of that past is very recent, we’re talking about the 80s and 90s.

            My stats are correct, Canada isn’t in the top 4 and certainly not no.3. Be thankful you’re not no.18, like you are at the Olympics. Poorer and smaller countries sure showed you, didn’t they?

            As for culture, hate to break it to you, but China has more culture than Canada any day. Even if you count the last 30 years, there’s still more there than a 100 years of Canada’s. Be thankful China isn’t copying Canada’s non culture haha. Now have fun with your insignificant wannabe country that is a poor rip off of many other countries.

            And stop blaming and try looking at the mirror. Even if your reflection scares you.

          • Jahar

            I’ve never bragged about taking on a guy with a knife. I have never taken on a guy with a knife. You seem really obsessed with that story about the natives. If you read what I said, you would have seen I had already a dressed that point.

            As for Canada’s rank as an immigration destination for chinese, cite something. i cant find anything ranking canada below 4. And still, even if they were? 5th in the world? that’s still pretty popular.
            http://english.caijing.com.cn/2012-12-18/112373586.html

            http://www.tealeafnation.com/2013/04/why-so-many-of-chinas-rich-still-have-emigration-on-their-mind/

            My reflection scares me? is this supposed to be an argument?

          • Whaddashack

            Good. I appreciate your honesty. We’re getting somewhere. The reason why I’m obsessed about that story is because it is perfectly applicable in this situation. If the Chinese as a nation should be ashamed of themselves because of what some police officers have done (even if most, it’s still not all), then why aren’t Canadians ashamed of how abhorently the Canadian police force treats the natives there?

            As far as immigration goes, here’s how it is, Canada is 7th:
            http://www.forbes.com/sites/modeledbehavior/2012/11/18/is-the-u-s-the-most-immigrant-friendly-country-in-the-world/

            This one measures preferred destinations, Canada is 5th:
            http://www.workpermit.com/news/2013-05-17/us-and-uk-are-worlds-top-immigration-destinations-for-professionals

  • B*tches, Leave

    He could have stabbed her with a spoon somewhere crowded, filled with cops and superman-laowais, still nobody would help. Don’t get me wrong, I do believe you when you say you would’ve done something to help, but maybe in your own country where you know you’re “covered” … imagine you’ve got injured while helping this poor girl, but she dies anyways, now what would that make you – a failure? you couldn’t help, so it’s your fault? you were blocking the policemen, so it’s your fault that she died? And who will pay your hospital bill? What if he gets you real good and you need urgent medical attention? – you think the emergency guys are so well trained here that they can get you to the hospital in time? How about those unqualified “doctors”? But what if you do save her and won’t get injured? You’ll be hero, right? Wrong, you, my dear laowai, will be used as a tool to show China how messed up it is – “two policemen, but a tourist laowai helped” … you’ll embarrass China … crap like this happens all over the world. The only difference is that since there’re more people in China, you see it more here. The more advanced we get as a society the less we care about each other.

    • B*tches, Leave

      But if you caught yourself helping someone, regardless of the outcome, have a low profile. Don’t be Superman, with hands on waist, but be Batman – do your thing and get the hell out of here …

      • fabulous

        That’s a really interesting comment.

        • fabulous

          But if you forget to say something in your first rambling paragraph of cleverness maybe don’t write a reply to yourself.

  • http://www.kalanstar.com/ KopyKatKiller

    Sad for the girl…

    But what a bunch of pussies China has for cops! All they can do is beat defenseless street merchants I guess.

    If I’d been there I’d have slit the attackers throat. (I always carry a knife)

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