“Kill Everyone in China” on Jimmy Kimmel, Chinese Reactions

Jimmy Kimmel Live Kids Table "Kill Everyone in China" segment.

From Phoenix Online:

ABC Website Deletes Video of a Program With “Kill Everyone in China” Remark

Original title: Tens of Thousands of People Petition on White House Website

According to foreign media reports, on October 16th, a “kill everyone in China” remark appeared during the “Jimmy Kimmel Live!”, a late-night talk show program of the American Broadcasting Company (ABC), and shocked American public opinion. For days, over 25K netizens petitioned on the White House website, demanding that the American Broadcasting Company cancel this program as well as apologize for the racist speech in the program.

On the 23rd local time, this program has already been pulled from the ABC website.

According to reports, in this program, the host Jimmy Kimmel invited 4 children of different skin colors to form a “Kid’s Table” where they discussed national affairs while eating candies to satirize “members of Congress acting like a bunch of kids”.

Jimmy Kimmel Live Kids Table "Kill Everyone in China" segment.

When Jimmy asked, “We owe China 13 trillion US dollars of debt; how shall we pay them back?” a 5-year-old boy’s response astonished people, saying “We should go around the world, and kill everyone in China,” to which Mr. Kimmel amusingly said, “Kill everyone in China? That’s an interesting idea.”

This insulting comment against China made on Jimmy’s program caused a huge controversy.

On the White House Website, the petition calling for the program to be cut has already over 25K signatures. The petition [author] claims to be very disturbed by this “’Kid’s Table’ show”, and claims “The program is totally unacceptable and it must be cut. […] this is the same rhetoric used in Nazi Germany against Jewish people. Please immediately cut the show and issue a formal apology.”

petition on the White House

Apart from the majority of ethnic Chinese petitioners, there are also apparently petitioners who are Westerners judging by their surnames. One petitioner wrote, “I was very disturbed towards by Jimmy Kimmel’s ‘Kid’s Table’ show. […] The kids might not know anything better. However, Jimmy Kimmel and ABC’s management are all adults. ABC must issue a sincere apology.”

An overseas Chinese person commented after watching the video on YouTube, “My anger is not at the kids, but their parents, and the host, and ABC, for they are ruining the kids. My daughter is 4 years old. If she says something like: kill all the blacks, or kill all the Jews, I would definitely have a serious talk with her, because that is not tolerable speech.”

Some Asian-American bloggers also made criticisms over the show. “Bostonese”, an online journal that serves the overseas Chinese community in Boston, wrote, “To broadcast these racist and genocidal comments, Mr. Kimmel, this is not funny at all.”

Incidents “insulting/denigrating China” in foreign TV are common, with some television stations even doing so repeatedly. With regards to this, American China Express senior media figure Guan Liming said in an interview several days ago that American TV hosts know very little about China, so it’s not surprising to have this kind of thing happened, but it mustn’t be tolerant.” Sourced from CCTV.

Jimmy Kimmel Live Kids Table "Kill Everyone in China" segment.

Below is a translation of the poll and results on Phoenix Online claiming over 480k respondents at time of translation (screenshot).

1. How do you view the public airing of the 6-year-old child’s “kill everyone in China” remark by the American television station?
  • Angry, the anti-Chinese behavior/actions of the American media must be punished;
  • 32.11% 152,111 votes
  • Sad, America’s much flaunted freedom of the press has been tarnished by this incident;
  • 4.98% 23,582 votes
  • Contempt, using the mouth of children to express political leanings is very shameful;
  • 20.68% 97,942 votes
  • Guarded, America’s media and education are currently slipping towards extreme anti-Chinese sentiments;
  • 32.51% 153,995 votes
  • Indifferent, children’s words carry no harm, no need to make a big deal out of a minor issue.
  • 9.72% 46,019 votes
    2. Do you believe the “kill everyone in China” remark said by the 6-year-old child on the television program was by chance/random?
  • By chance, the complexity of the China-US debt problem is beyond a child’s understanding and it was probably an unconscious response by the child;
  • 9.28% 43,355 votes
  • By chance, a television segment that relies on the children’s speech to shock people will influence children to deliberately say shocking things;
  • 4.73% 22,078 votes
  • Inevitable, this is the negative consequences borne by the long-term dissemination of the notion of a Chinese threat/menace on public platforms at all levels of American society.
  • 61.18% 285,803 votes
  • Inevitable, American media’s excessive openness has caused serious violent thinking in children, to the extent of twisting people’s personalities.
  • 20.7% 96,691 votes
  • Hard to say
  • 4.11% 19,194 votes
    3. Do you believe American media should or shouldn’t apologize to Chinese people for airing such speech?
  • Should
  • 82.99% 392,442 votes
  • Shouldn’t
  • 10.11% 47,800 votes
  • Hard to say
  • 6.9% 32,640 votes
    4. What do you think is the reason for the frequent appearance of anti-Chinese and inhuman speech in American media?
  • An expansion of anti-Chinese influence in America.
  • 32.38% 154,221 votes
  • A collapse of America’s core system of values
  • 12.21% 58,138 votes
  • American media and education is in decline
  • 11.95% 56,908 votes
  • All of the above
  • 35.9% 170,981 votes
  • Hard to say
  • 7.56% 35,982 votes

    Comments from Phoenix Online :

    凤凰网云南省昆明市网友:手机用户

    Americans are simply indulging in wishful thinking…China had experienced invasions by many countries, including you Americans, and have also suffered the genocidal invasion of the little Japanese devils, but look at the strength and prosperity of China now… China, the Chinese people will always protect you.

    凤凰网上海市网友:chinahjing

    Just how did these parents educate their children? A bunch of bandits after all!

    凤凰网北京市网友:航湖

    Not surprising, this is exactly the mentality of the American government.

    凤凰网河北省石家庄市网友:益鸟

    What’s in Sima Zhao‘s mind, everyone on the street knows [meaning that a person’s supposed hidden intention is so well known that it is not really hidden any more.] Americans from the bottom of their hearts want to kill all Chinese people.

    凤凰网浙江省网友:www1229

    China is always about educating people how to repay their benefactors, but America is just the opposite, educating people on how to kill their benefactors!!! Must be full alert/vigilance.

    凤凰网广东省广州市网友:手机用户

    The Yankees desire to kill us won’t die!

    凤凰网山东省潍坊市网友:手机用户

    The early education of Americans… I smiled/laughed.

    凤凰网山东省烟台市网友:yt2211

    Is this a joke? I think it’s what Americans really think.

    凤凰网浙江省网友:凤凰网友

    America’s true thoughts.

    凤凰网内蒙古网友:景其神

    So naïve. So [they think] deleting it is equal to it having never been said? Hehe.

    凤凰网湖南省网友:手机用户

    Those who are irresponsible are them, [those] who are always saying how education abroad is better. Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.

    凤凰网澳门网友:hhhr

    America’s school shooting cases come from children who talk and act like this.

    凤凰网江苏省南京市网友:闲听风吟

    America, apologize!

    凤凰网广东省茂名市网友:多情鸟

    I truly hope the kid’s statements will wake up the Chinese government. Americans have been borrowing money without any intention of having to pay it back. It will make excuses to war with you and then renege on their debt afterwards! This is something even American kids know!

    凤凰网天津市网友:快骑士

    Now that the ABC website has deleted it, I’m thinking shouldn’t all the various influential websites consider deleting it too?

    凤凰网山东省济宁市网友:WUWANWO

    Give the American Indians back their territory. Pay back your debts to various countries of the world. Return justice to the world.

    凤凰网北京市海淀区网友:冷眼看喧嚣世界

    It may be that many Americans truly do think this…

    凤凰网福建省泉州市网友:奇奇qq401357376

    This is national circumstances of the United States, a nation of violence.

    凤凰网广东省广州市网友:andrewzou

    There is no harm in children’s words, but we should be on our guard, although there is no need to elevate this to the level of principles and policy [broaden, take too seriously].

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    • Momat94

      The kid probably can’t find China on a map. I think this has been wholly blown out of proportion. You could say the same about a lot of anti American sentiment.

      • markus peg

        I agree he is only a kid, let it go.. Why would people think a little kids words represent the USA’s views as a nation?

        • http://picasaweb.google.com/kilroy238 Kilroy238

          Because they are brain washed and because it’s what happens here so it must be the same in other countries.

          • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

            and its not? look in the mirror to see real brainwashing

            • http://picasaweb.google.com/kilroy238 Kilroy238

              And just how am I brainwashed?

            • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

              no idea.

            • http://picasaweb.google.com/kilroy238 Kilroy238

              We’ll you’re the one who accused me. You should at least have some notion.

            • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

              clueless really, maybe fluoride?
              What Alex says anyway and he a good ole cowboy.

            • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

              Stop throwing the word brainwash like a damn buzzword.

              This isn’t brainwashing. You want to know brainwashing?
              It’s removal or memories and personality. It involves hours upon hours of sensory deprivation, not letting them sleep, or eat, or use the bathroom. Treating them like an animal until their mind breaks and retreats in on itself to escape the psychological torture. That’s when you are being brainwashed, when people plant the suggestions in your head while your curled in a ball begging for it to stop.

              How do I know? I had the misfortune to be in a cult. The less I say, the better.

            • David

              They have cults in Mongolia?

            • lonetrey / Dan

              O_O

            • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

              they were a good band in the day.

        • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

          it was scripted that’s why…

        • Duke

          I don’t think they get the joke here. Americans seem to have a more developed sense of humor. Americans have a sense of humor and can laugh about almost anything.

          Exibit A: LMFAO

          • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

            I dont get the joke , explain it to me?

            • ChinaEnemy#1

              Chicken/egg.

            • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

              which come first?

            • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

              neither god created them at the same time

            • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

              Joke went flying waaaaay over your head didn’t it?

            • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

              like a mig.

            • David

              Wait, would that be the MIG that copied the f-15 or the MIG that copied the F-16? By the way, eggs were around (for reptiles, amphibians and fish) over a billion years before there were chickens. Question settled. : )

            • Lord_Helmet

              I wonder how many times you have used that joke?? You are so clever, you must be the hit of every party.

            • David

              Which joke would that be? I did not write any joke.

            • Lord_Helmet

              “By the way, eggs were around (for reptiles, amphibians and fish) over a billion years before there were chickens. Question settled. : )” sounds like a bit.

            • David

              What a strange comment for you to make. No, it is not a bit at all. It is called science.

            • Duke

              The kids joke was funny because he’s a kid and only a child who knows nothing about the world would say something so extreme as his solution to a financial problem.obviously a well educated adult would never say something like that, so it’s funny for it’s shock value.

              The planes are funny because they are the exact same plane apart from the paint job and the 2 chinese engines = 1 american engine part. It must be funny to americans that china has a plane that looks just like theirs. I’m american and I think its hilarious. America has been building planes since there have been planes and even they havent gotten the F-35 to the point where they want it in combat. God knows how long it will take china since they are obviously just copying the tech. Funny.

            • Duke

              I’m sure the UK, Australia, Italy, Singapore, Japan and all of the other countries that ordered the F-35 think its hilarious too.

        • Webster

          The only problem with what Kimmel did, was not challenge the kid to think about what he said, “Isn’t that drastic?”

          I’m sure he meant it to be funny (as he was on a tv show and that’s how those things go).

          I don’t know, but the kids response was just as silly as the query…I don’t know why people like to perpetuate this silly narrative of US dependence on China buying debt.

        • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

          Its subtle brainwashing by American media, disguised as some kids joking. wake the fck up., it was scripted!
          American is in a big mess , trying to deflect the real problems that are going on

          Government shut down, really WTF!.

          • http://picasaweb.google.com/kilroy238 Kilroy238

            you know it’s not the first time that has happened right?

            • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

              tell me more

            • http://picasaweb.google.com/kilroy238 Kilroy238
            • 二奶头发

              lots of shutdowns happened during the Reagan years… interesting

            • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

              oh so its a good thing they shut down.
              my bad.

            • http://picasaweb.google.com/kilroy238 Kilroy238

              Are you schizophrenic? You can’t seem to post a rebuttal that has any connection to what was said.

            • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

              I dont know.
              who you talking to?

          • http://singedrac.livejournal.com Singe

            I hope you understand that unlike in China, television programs in America aren’t run by the government.

            • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

              and thats the problem.No control, well spotted. .

        • JankyFosci

          It is a bit disturbing that a mere child can even suggest something like that. There’s got to be a cultural problem there when a child suggests genocide for any reason.

          • Probotector

            It happens in China a lot more often though.

            • JankyFosci

              Deflect, deflect, deflect

            • Probotector

              Nevertheless, it doesn’t stop it from being true.

            • jin

              when a chinese person says it, its just deflect deflect deflect, yet you does the same, doesnt make you any better or does it?

            • Elijah

              Speaking as an ex-teacher, I taught thousands of kids from 3-18 years of age over the course of 5.5 years in china and they universally wanted to nuke Japan… This is one kid with a thoroughly uneducated and glib answer on a comedy show.

              Exhibit A is a nation-wide hate instilled as soon as they can speak and perpetuated by massive amounts of shoddy propaganda masquerading as tv programing and educational content.

              Exhibit B is an isolated comment that was later taken down.

              See the difference yet? No? Keep trolling.

            • Guest

              how much “some” children that hate the japanese become UNIVERSALLY?

            • jin

              how does “some” children that hate japan become UNIVERSALLY?

            • Elijah

              Where did I say “some”?

              Universally means all or so close to all to make little to no difference.

              Public Service Announcement for the masses. The more you know!

            • jin

              I didn’t say that you said it…… not all chinese childrens are raised to hate japanese……………

            • Elijah

              “or so close to all to make little to no difference.”

              Covered that base already.

            • Kai

              Come on, man, you know you were being loose with your words– and merely for effect–in a sensitive discussion. A child might not know to weigh their words carefully in such a situation but you’re an educated adult who knows “universally” is nonetheless an unhelpful gross exaggeration.

              I’ve been in China longer than you have and I certainly know there are an unfortuntely and demoralizing large amount of children who have been taught such ignorant ideas but I strongly doubt you spent enough class time to systematically survey all the thousands of children you’ve taught to arrive at a justifiable defense for using the world “universally”.

              I get that you’re just saying similar sentiments much more common (and frightening) in China than it is in the US, but I think you can acknowledge your word choice as unfair without undermining your intended point.

              You also surely understood jin’s point. There’s a way for both of your points to coexist. Defend your point, not your sloppy semantics. Acknowledge the latter to reiterate the former.

            • mr.wiener

              Mate, the razor wire fence has fallen and there are zombies milling about in the compound.
              Time to hunker down and wait for them to wander off in search of brains.. other brains to eat, as there are precious little of them being displayed here.
              Even if you subscribe to the flesh eating, rather than brain eating “Z” I don’t think they’ll find the overabundance of ego being displayed here that palatable.

            • Kai

              I just watched latest episode of The Walking Dead last night…

            • Elijah

              As long as I’m Brad Pitt in World War Z, I’m not worried…

            • Elijah

              Hey Kai!

              Normally I love to have discussions/debates (that aren’t long-winded, get polluted by nonsensical trolls or devolve into pointless uh huh, nuh uh bickering. I especially like debating with you and respect the fact that you strive to be so moderate.

              That being said, I stand by my point. It’s undeniable that every child in china watches the same crappy movies in class and on every channel on tv simply because there’s really not much else on anyways.

              Even if a small portion of children are spared the incessant hate-mongering or resist it (also extremely doubtful) they still have to deal with a society where they are ostracized if they should go against the grain. Conformity to the masses.

              Then there’s the broad range of evidence from EVERYONE of everyday interactions across a wide spectrum of occasions from teaching kids in kindergarten, to tutoring at home, to doing extra-curricular activities, to hanging out with local friends to reading the newspaper all reinforcing the fact that chinese people hate/want to kill Japanese people.

              Even the most moderate person can’t deny this fact. The best you could do is similar to saying not everyone in china eats rice. You’re right, not everyone does, but when the percentages reach 90-95% and over, those who don’t are more of a statistical fluke than anything else.

              If you don’t see that, then we’ll just have to agree to disagree and move on.

            • Kai

              Neither jin nor I denied the fact that there is widespread anti-Japanese rhetoric in China. He criticized your choice of words. You defended it. I suggested you defend your point instead of your semantics.

              What’s more more important here? That anti-Japanese rhetoric be acknowledged as widespread in China or that the thousands of children you taught “universally” wanted to nuke Japan?

              Priorities, man, priorities.

            • Riddler

              Not all but most.

              ps. universally.

            • jin

              Go learn what the world universally means.

            • Riddler

              Because most children in china are taught this, believe this, and childishly want to destroy Japan.

            • jin

              go learn what universally means.

            • Riddler

              Excellent post Elijah.

            • Probotector

              I never said deflect.

            • Riddler

              Don’t you mean ‘DEFECT! DEFECT DEFECT!’?

          • Don’t Believe the Hype

            his parents probably told him to say things that were strange and different, thats how those kids get picked in the first place, shock value

          • maybeabanana

            I agree where it’s pretty clear that our society is messed up with a kid thinking it’s okay to not have to pay back some thing that is owed and then of course killing off the other party as a way to resolve what one owes. I gather, this kid will likely owe some other kid a toy and will likely see that its okay to keep something that is not his.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            Children aren’t born civilized. They become civilized. Children who grow up in a peaceful developed country have no conception of murder or death. That’s why they can play shooting games with toy guns without comprehending the horror of what they’re really imitating.

        • lucieeee

          the answer is so obvious. ABC producers screened this prerecorded kids roundtable footage and allowed it to air. the kimmel producers would never have allowed such an insipid joke to pass if the kid had said something about Jews, or any other empowered, organized community. why do they think the chinese-american community would remain quiescent at an affront any other minority would challenge?

          • BBB

            Real talk there. There’s different degree of racism. I imagine an arab kid saying to kill all jews and that israel people to be killed, will this still be considered as a joke ?

            This is digusting for such show as Jimmy Kimmel’s one to think this kind of shit can go on cause chinese are too “weak” to have the right to say things as they are.

          • Misia

            Game, set, match.

          • Riddler

            Succintly phrased.

        • Kiwi

          I don’t agree with using a kid like that. No matter how harmless it was, you should never use a kid especially to say something like to KILL someone.
          I wasn’t that offended by the joke. Honestly I think I would have feel
          more offended if they said blacks instead just because I think that
          particular minority is a “no touch zone”.

      • chosan
        • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

          really?

      • nqk123

        China government is super happy about this comment. They have been trying to lead their people to hate US.

        • AMILIYUN

          so this is one rumour it’s permitted to perpetuate

      • jin

        The kids might [not] know anything better. However, Jimmy Kimmel and ABC’s management are adults. They had a choice not to air this racist program, which promotes racial hatred.

        • Riddler

          So what say you, about preaching anti-japan hate to children as a government policy mate?

          • jin

            Did i ever defend that??? yet you are your other buttbuddies are defending this.

            • Riddler

              Jin, read my first comment on this, i did not defend it.

      • Kiwi

        I’m pretty sure most Americans can’t find China on the map.

    • Riddler

      I think it is rather disgusting that a child should be thinking homicidal thoughts. Whether in china or america. I have heard kids in china talking about wiping out Japan, even the world, forget just one country. That’s right, give them more iPads and video games and let them get immune to the idea of homicidal thoughts.

      This article has been slightly inflated.

    • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

      Well disgusting, using kids this way but to be expected in America.

      • Claude

        According to the 2012 maple-croft child labor index China ranks 36th in the world in child labor. But who knows The numbers when the Chinese Gov called the issue “Highly secret” and “Educational labor” What constitutes child labor is debatable but China being China….

        • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

          yea US just uses Mexican kids of the record.

    • Truth

      I’ll keep this brief,

      You have ALL thought about killing all Chinese people at one point or another if you’ve actually lived in China.

      Also, the child is, a child, and nobody truly believes he was serious. Furthermore, the show mocks American culture as much as anyone else’s culture.

      • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

        i have thoughts of killing Americans while i live in China. Never had them when i lived in the UK.
        I wonder why that is.

        • 用开水烫我!

          your avatar is too cute i can not stop looking at it.

        • Graham 高默

          It’s abnormal to think of killing people period.

          • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

            it was a fcking joke so its OK yea?
            why the fck all the yanks down voting me???
            double standards!

            I WAS JOKING, where your sense of humor gone!!

            • jin

              Hypocrits

            • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

              keyword here.

            • Elijah

              I’m Canadian and I usually down-vote you instinctively because you contribute nothing to the dialogue/debate and waste everyone’s time with childish trolling.

              Sadly, I try to be enlightened and end up losing IQ points when I force myself to read your droppings in the hopes you’ll say something intelligent and pertinent.

            • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

              Thank you for you continued support in this matter.

              Keep up the good work!

            • Germandude

              LOL, I actually got your meaning while reading it the first time.

            • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

              many Americans didn’t because they have no sense of humor. Contrary to what they claim.

            • Germandude

              Can’t be. Germans don’t have humor. Everybody knows that.

            • David

              OK THAT deserves an upvote. lol

          • jin

            Yet some people here are defending that child/ ABC/ Kimmel, It was all writing in a script! it was not something a child said out of nowhere. and the show wasnt live, they couldve edited it.

            • TheSOP

              Prove it.

        • David

          I am a Yank and I got the joke (and I was not insulted in any way).

          • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

            good, man.

      • Graham 高默

        Lived/still live in China, plan on making my life here because I love the evolution of Chinese society and culture.

        I don’t agree with the comments, I don’t follow the media, but it’s upsetting to here the anti-sentiment on either side. There are great people and horrible people in every culture, and this doesn’t remark does not embody me. I am born American, and don’t want to feel the hostility caused by some kid’s comment on a late-night program.

        • Don’t Believe the Hype

          Exactly right. The frustrations here are when the views of a select group try to influence those who don’t know any better. If this was an objective blog, which, lets be honest you hardly ever see in China, nobody would care

      • linette lee

        To be honest here. I think more people in the world thought about killing White people than killing other ethnic groups. You know why? Because of invasion and colonization. White people had more history of invading and massacre natives of other countries.
        And if you travel around the world, I am sure Americans are the most hated by other countries. And I have to say it’s safer to tell people you are Chinese or Italian than American when you are in other countries.

        • Probotector

          …and yet you live(d?) in America.

          • linette lee

            I don’t hate Americans or America. I like their domestic gov’t system. The freedom of speech or expression without violating the rights of other people. The USA people are allowed to voice their opinions and challenge their own USA gov’t without oppression. That is a good system. It is a lot better than the China gov’t system.

            I don’t like the USA foreign policy. I hate them constantly getting involved in the wars of other countries. Sometimes USA is doing more damage than good.

            • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

              really? hows Alex Jones and his followers getting on with that?
              Oblamer is putting the boot in on all decent in America right now.
              Freedom of speech only when it fits the plan.

            • linette lee

              USA gov’t system promote racial equality. And they have laws and really enforce them and preach them. That is a good gov’t system. That is one reason why USA is better than other countries like China.

              http://www.bullyfreewyoming.com/pics/Divesity.jpg

            • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

              wow

        • Asian Male Insecurity

          China wiped out numerous ethnic groups native to the areas they conquered. Or do you think Han Chinese have always populated everywhere from Urumqi to Southeast Asia?

          • linette lee

            of course, Chinese and Americans are up there on the most hated list from other countries. But America still worst than China. lol. When you bully other smaller countries that is what happen. lol.

            I better go fxcking hide. I am Chinese and I also have usa citizenship. That’s like the worst combination. I shouldn’t go travel anywhere. lol.

            • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

              yea pity you dude.

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              How is America worse than China? America’s sense of white guilt is so acute that for whites to assert themselves in even a mild way (much milder than all the “American” non-whites do) as a group is to basically end up being called a nazi.

              Furthermore, America did not wipe out a whole racial group, but Chinese did do this with Baoyue, Sogdonians etc.

            • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

              god

            • Probotector

              He does remind me of God.

            • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

              who Allah?

            • Probotector

              A black person or an Asian person is encouraged to say they’re proud to be black or Asian, and rightly so.

              However, in some parts of Europe, a white person can be imprisoned for saying they’re proud to be white.

              So are we supposed to say we’re ashamed then?

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              I think the idea is to push onto whites a meaningless civic identity. I say meaningless because for a civic identity to have meaning, it has to be exclusionary to some degree. At the same time, that which is legitimately European is “universalized”, it assumed to “belong to the whole world” (e.g. classical music, shakespeare, the legacy of rome etc).

              Most whites feel “implicit whiteness”, it’s a form of identity that leads to, say, very tacit self segregation and other forms of implicit assertion of identity.

              Non-whites often expect moral behavior from whites that they wouldn’t hold their own people to: Consider the recent protests in London’s Ctown about deporting illegal immigrants.

            • Probotector

              “onsider the recent protests in London’s Ctown about deporting illegal immigrants.”

              I didn’t see those, got a link?

            • Asian Male Insecurity
            • Probotector

              Now imagine if the yangguizi in China ever did a thing like that.

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              Exactly.

            • TheSOP

              Take a survey around East Asia about which country is preferred, Japan, USA, or China. China will come out last in nearly every country. China is the old imperialist and increasingly showing itself to be the new imperialist, and Asians can see this. US isnt bullying East Asian countries, China is, thats fact-

        • TheSOP

          Try learning your own Chinese history of imperialism and colonization before commenting on what white people (what ever that is, care to define “white people”) have done. Asians, Chinese included, have killed far more humans in the past century than the white man that is for sure. You and the Japanese are probably the 20th century’s most adept exterminators of human life, perhaps reflect on that before casting stones.

          • linette lee

            right..I am sure those south east asia countries gov’ts are very humane to their own poor people and foreign minorities living there. Learn about your own south east asia gov’t before keep attacking chinese. lol.

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              Right, nobody claimed SE Asian countries were morally spotless.

              Are you starting to understand now? Don’t play victim. Human nature is roughly the same everywhere, your selective outrage towards whites is transparent.

            • linette lee

              I never said Chinese are better or above other race. I am saying what you are saying. Let those without sins cast the first stone. And I am saying Usa and china bully other smaller nations mostly because they have the power to do so. Other smaller nations can’t bully China or USA even if they want to,and I am sure a lot of them do. lol.

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              I sympathize with your conciliatory approach, but it’s different if you’re a woman, most women don’t seem to feel racial tribalism as acutely as men.

            • linette lee

              I never really had bad experiences living or going around in non Chinese countries. I did have local folks there called me Chinese girl this and that,but when I look at them they would smile or approach me to have conservation. They weren’t malicious or anything. They were talking about me or just want to talk to me. So you folks shouldn’t feel upset when Chinese folks call you laowai this and that. You should look at them and wait for them to approach you.

              I only remember one time I went to some town in USA
              and I was the only Chinese person there. A small town. I went inside this supermarket and the whole store all the staff looked at me like I just jumped out of the TV. Like it was the first time they see a live Chinese person. lol. When I spoke with them at their pharmacy they were excited. They asked me if I am Chinese and where in China. lol. Walking down the street the same. I feel eyes staring at me. Waiting at the bus stop on day time, some man pulled up to insist on offering me a ride. lol.

            • Probotector

              Chinese people approach foreigners confrontationally with a glare until WE diffuse it with a smile or striking up conversation.

            • TheSOP

              Thats our laowai life everyday X100 in China… except its not always so friendly.

            • Lord_Helmet

              As opposed to a dead Chinese person, because I am sure they saw many of those, or at least will soon according to the little boy.

            • TheSOP

              Oh wait so you mean none of us as humans have clean ground to stand on and point fingers?? Wow, thats the closest you’ve made it to reality yet young one.

          • jin

            the chinese killed more than the nazis? I didnt know that!!!

            • TheSOP

              far more, Nazis look incompetent next to that balding STD infested pedophile Mao Zedong

            • jin

              AH! yes!!! another Mao idiot comment!!! you and Asian Male Insecurity have been posting comments about mao for how long? how many times?

            • TheSOP

              I’ll keep posting because your STD infested pedophile is the icon of a backwards, revisionist state which threatens not only its own people (millions of whose blood stains the ccps hands) but also external people. Screw Mao and anyone who,with access to the free internet and information, supports that piece of shit.

        • http://www.sos-symphysiotomy.com/ redgirls

          Linette, You are a pretty level headed girl and while we dont always agree I respect most of what you say and lets face it, it is hard to be female and express an opinion here on C.S, so all power to you lady, but please don’t generalise white v whatever colour there is the powerful and the powerless and they will always be at odds to each other. As an Irish person I do not hate english people they are some of the best people I have met but I can hate the establishment and laws that were imposed but not the people.
          Sincerely, redgirls

          • linette lee

            I think in the case of USA foreign policy, many Americans also don’t agree with USA congress.

      • jin

        if you have thought of killing ALL! chinese people, then youre a racist, the end.

        Also, the child is, a 6y old child, and somebody told him to say that, Furthermore what kimmel said after is what piss most people off. Also what would happend if they changed the word China to All Blacks, All Jews. would you still “laugh”?

        • Riddler

          Jin, anyone who has thought of killing anyone is in need of a room, soft walls, that kind of jacket which would impede much movement.

      • Robert Rou

        Hiding behind children to air bigotry is a coward’s way out.

    • Nilerafter24

      Well…. this is Jimmy Kimmel after all, a fact that seems to have flown over many people’s heads. Dark humor; though I can understand people getting offended by this.
      Some of the comments are actually true, had the child for example said, kill all Africans/black people or Jews, the reaction would have been way more explosive. But because everyone likes to believe Asians are passive or don’t care/understand, it’s easier to joke about them.
      The truth is, American media will always be in the hot seat since it’s the most watched. So American media has to be the most careful when it comes to such situations.
      I wouldn’t be surprised if there hundreds of Chinese programs/comedy skits that call for the death of foreigners/Americans as a form of dark humor but are too unknown for people to give a shit.
      Things just play out worse when there’s a bigger audience because there’ll always be more butthurt people.
      Dark comedy makes creates some of the best laughs but unfortunately almost ends up offending way too many people.

      • AMILIYUN

        Wow… Great point! If this were to do with Jews or black folk, there would be an uproar too – I didn’t think of that when reading the Chinese comments and thinking to myself they were taking this too seriously. However, there is one clear distinction, I believe most Jews and black folk would not be silly enough to REALLY believe these thoughts represented a while nation (or probably in many of betimes minds – the whole western world)

        • linette lee

          I think the problem we are having here is the America TV broadcasted on TV without being censored. That was the problem we are having. We don’t want hate speech to get casually broadcasted.

          • http://picasaweb.google.com/kilroy238 Kilroy238

            But that’s just it. It wasn’t hate speech it was political satire because in case you didn’t know we have a lot of nut jobs in politics in America.

            • Paul

              If the kid said it spontaneously, it was hate speech. Six year old children have not yet developed the ability to use sarcasm. If the producers told the kid to say it, it should be considered child abuse, because the six year old lacks the ability to understand sarcasm; therefore, he does not know he is participating in satire.

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              >hate speech

              Half of Putonghua vernacular as it refers to foreigners is “hate speech” by these standards, let alone Guangdonghua. It’s like you people cannot refer to foreigners unless it’s in an explicit or implicitly offensive way.

              It’s a sort of collective linguistic tourettes.

            • Probotector

              Do you have examples?

            • http://picasaweb.google.com/kilroy238 Kilroy238

              Of course it was scripted my god man but people use dark humor all the time. That doesn’t make it hate speech. As for your second assertion, yeah tricking or allowing a kid to say something on TV that they don’t fully understand is child abuse. The producers and directors of shows like full house must always live in fear of child protective services. Tell me another one.

            • jin

              Its not a hate speech, when the kid says it, ok i can understand, then explain why jimmy kimmel said “that’s an interesting idea” and “Why we should kill ALL the Chinese to solve our own problem?” Is Mr. Kimmel suggesting we should deal with the Chinese as Hitler dealt withthe Jews in the World War II? I guess the Chinese in the eyes of Mr. Kimmel and ABC news are just easy picks.

            • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

              You just don’t understand English. Period. If you were a native Anglophone, you would instantly recognize that “That’s an interesting idea” is a sarcastically dismissive way to acknowledge a ridiculous remark. He was clearly perturbed by the concept of killing all Chinese people by framing it comically bluntly: “Should we allow the Chinese to live?”. If you can’t see the absurdity in framing it this way, you must have a mindset where committing genocide is a perfectly reasonable method of problem-solving.

            • jin

              how would america and the rest of the world react if that kid said lets kill all black and jews, and kimmel says thats very interesting idea. would you still laugh at it?

            • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

              Why would killing all blacks and Jews solve America’s debt problem to China?

              You still don’t get that Kimmel was NOT endorsing the kid’s idea at all. He would have been just as justified making that same response to an equivalent remark about blacks or Jews. “That’s an interesting idea” highlights the ABSURDITY of the statement.

            • Guest

              5000 years English culture.

            • jin

              You havent answered my question.
              So from your point of opinion, its right to make a racial “joke” about China? After the kid said that Chinese should die,

              “Kimmel laughed off the comment, joking “that’s an interesting idea.”
              He returned to the point later asking “should we allow the Chinese to live?”

              So when does the USA have the right to decide whether Chinese should live or die? Its a very bad racist joke and youre defending it.

            • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

              You just don’t get it. He was being FACETIOUS. Do you know what facetiousness is? It’s not something readily recognize by a foreign language learner such as yourself. It’s subtle and involves reading between the lines, but it would be readily obvious to any native Anglophone because of how absurdly Kimmel phrased his comments (which is to his credit, not his detraction).

              Look up “A Modest Proposal” on Wikipedia, and educate yourself on satirical hyperbole.

            • Robert Rou

              I’d imagine there’s a ceiling on funnies for genocide. An impressive defense of the Jimmy Kimmel show nevertheless.

              You should check out some of the commentary from the SCMP. They carried the story several days ago.

            • jin

              Jokes about Genocide is funny to you?
              The kids might not know anything better. However, Jimmy Kimmel and ABC’s management are adults. They had a choice to edite this, which promotes racial hatred. Now answer my damn question, would you laugh at it if it was about black and jews?

            • Probotector

              What is your background exactly? You seem to be promulgating righteous arguments for anyone who you perceive as a victim of oppression, yet at the same time dismiss the oppression that those same victims have themselves committed at one time or another.

            • Riddler

              What is his background? Mental asylum.

            • jin

              Chinese born and raise in The Netherlands, dismiss??? Did i defend what Mao did? Did i defend china for their wrong doings? I know that china got alot of problems, I know that its not the best country in the world, I know about it. But come on??? attacking an entire country/race by the mistakes of their forefathers? Mistake of the government? “uncivilized” people that never went to school before? calling them animals? less than animals? inhuman? calling people like me racist when i have not post a racist comment? Hate the chinese/ make racist comments about them/ wish them death for what they did? how are you any better? just think about it

            • Probotector

              “But come on??? attacking an entire country/race by the mistakes of their forefathers? Mistake of the government? “uncivilized” people that never went to school before? calling them animals? less than animals? inhuman? calling people like me racist when i have not post a racist comment? Hate the chinese/ make racist comments about them/ wish them death for what they did? how are you any better? just think about it”

              I never did any of that. You’re confused about who you’re talking to.

            • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

              Yes, some jokes about genocide are hilarious. Deal with it.

              To answer your damn question, yes, I’ve laughed at jokes about blacks and Jews. In fact, I’d say I’ve heard 20X more jokes about blacks and Jews than Chinese, and they’ve been at lot more pernicious in their specificity than the non-specific vagueness of “kill everyone” spoken by a kid.

            • Probotector

              Wait for it… in about 3 seconds his reply wily be

              “RACIST!!!!”

            • Riddler

              “RACIST —- —- —– —– —– SCUM!”

            • jin

              I laughed at jokes about chinese, black, jews, white. but i wont laugh at this. dont you change the sentence, non-specific??? Kill everyone in China is very non-specific vague! and sure its a child, but what about kimmel? and ABC?

            • Riddler

              When we all stand against this crap, regardless of race or creed, we win.

            • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

              You still don’t get it. And you never will, so long as you continue thinking you already do.

              Q: “How do we put an end to human pollution?”
              A: “Kill all the humans!”

            • http://picasaweb.google.com/kilroy238 Kilroy238

              How about dead baby jokes? Do we know websites in America full of sick twisted jokes. We laugh at these jokes not because they are funny but because they are in such bad taste. You just don’t understand the mentality of our sometimes dark humor and to answer your question, Yes I might laugh depending on the joke some jokes are funny some aren’t. Humor like beauty is subjective.

            • Riddler

              Why is china supporting genocide in Syria right this very moment? Now answer this.

            • jin

              Why is USA supporting wars on this planet this very moment? Did i defend about what china did?

            • Riddler

              No you didn’t. And your comment is as correct as it is disturbing. Disturbing in the sense that there is way too much killing going on.

              Ps. the permanent members of the UN all support wars around the world.

            • Riddler

              Jin, tell us about East Turkmenistan and how china invaded, renamed it Xinjiang and is currently pillaging its natural resources not to mention the arrests, torture, executions, rape, forced marriages of Uyghur girls to han chinese. Explain this to us oh warrior against genocide.

            • Gianna

              Before you start pointing your finger at other nations, look at the history of your own. Enough said, hypocrite.

            • Probotector

              Um we did, you didn’t, now we can point the finger, enough said.

            • Riddler

              I have looked at my history, and so have the vast populations of the west. For every invasion the governments (THE governments not OUR governments) of the west have undertaken, there has been a mass movement of the people who were, are, and will always be, opposed to unilateral interventions or outright invasions for resources or control of those resources,

              This is historical as it is current. Now tell me Dear Gianna, where are your anti-colonial, HAN chinese movements in mainland china fighting for the rights of the people of Tibet and East Turkistan (xinjiang)?

              You mentioned something regarding hypocrisy?

            • TheSOP

              I wanna know about that one too! And also Inner Mongolia, why the hell are the Chinese colonizing Mongolia anyways?!

            • Riddler

              Believe this, you will NEVER get an answer to this question or related questions from any chinese person from mainland. All you get is ‘oh look what britain/america’ has done, is doing. That is it. Deflection, deflection.

              Whereas you can sit openly, in america, britain and have this conversation as to why america/britain are messing around in other countries and people will condemn it, and condemn it openly. Just take a look at the Anti-War Coalition. I wonder when we will see a Han Chinese Anti-War Coaltion?

              Ok bro, as i said to Probotector, get off that floor laughing your ass off:-)

            • jin

              Ah yes, the chinese did it so lets make jokes about killing all chinese. sounds very mature.

            • Riddler

              At the very beginning of this article, I stated how disgusting it is to make these kinds of jokes. I meant that. Killing is not a joke. It is this article that has made me re-think my own attitude. It is wrong. It is all so wrong.

            • Nimrod0

              Again, you miss the point. Jimmy Kimmel’s particular absurdist response to the proposal is, standing on its own, pretty dark. It works only because there is an implicit assumption that “the Chinese” have no agency and therefore the listener can access his full magnanimity in resolving the comedic riddle. “Should we let the Chinese live? Why yes! Of course, let them live!” Replace “the Chinese” with any politically active group and it backfires. The other usual butt is probably “the French,” and it’s similarly tied to the meme of surrender. So you’re wrong that it takes native Anglophonics to “get” this joke. No, it takes the assumption that Asians are toothless, as cultivated over many years by the mainstream culture. “A Modest Proposal” was designed to provoke discomfort and indignation. From Jimmy Kimmel’s on-air apology, it is pretty clear he had no such noble intentions and was surprised that anybody should be upset. Regardless, people who are up in arms absolutely got the full message delivered by the rhetorical device. Maybe it’s high time for you to “get” it, too.

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              >No, it takes the assumption that Asians are toothless, as cultivated over many years by the mainstream culture.

              You know, it’s funny, I’ve heard so many different accounts of what actually constitutes a “negative Asian stereotype” from you coded racial tribalist types (come on, just come out and admit you’re racial nationalists instead of hiding behind the post-colonial vernacular, those of us who recognize your bullshittery would respect you a lot more) that it actually becomes self-contradictory at points.

              I’ve heard it claimed Asians are stereotyped as both hypersexual and asexual. Incidentally, I’ve never understood the claim about Asians being stereotyped as hypersexual to be honest, specifically Asian women. I’ve always felt they were fairly… un-sexual? As if they reproduce through osmosis?

              The dragon lady stereotypes are usually true though, although you need to replace political machinations with economic machinations in order to obtain $10,000 pairs of Louboutins for them to work.

              Anyway, you need to get back to working on your useless degree, so I’ll leave you be.

            • Alphy

              Jin, I explained this today to another local Chinese person as well. The show it’s being sarcastic, it’s actually making fun of American politics. It is not suppose to be taken literally. It’s a late night show gathering a bunch of kids around a table making them act the role of congressman saying stupid stuff, as most Americans think very little of Congress right now.

              Should they have joke about genocide? Probably not, it’s really not that funny but it is a joke. No one actually believe killing Chinese people will solve the debt problem. They are joking about how Congress have no idea what they want to do and could not get any workable solution on anything on the table. It is a ridicules suggestion for sure, which is what they are trying to accomplish portraying US Congressman as ridicules little kids. And that’s why it’s funny.

              >_> And yes this is why people say, the Joke is not funny if you have to explain it. American TV show joke about killing all sorts of people. Though they always do it in a sarcastic light.

              ABC already apologized about the unscripted kids joke, and have already edit it out of their future distribution of the show. http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2013/10/28/abc-apologizes-for-childs-joke-on-kimmels-show/3288917/

            • http://picasaweb.google.com/kilroy238 Kilroy238

              Again one thing people in China fail to grasp about English is the tone in which it’s said. I can say I love you and have it mean several different things by the way I say it. His tone was not hey cool that’s a great idea tell me more but of dismissal at suck a crack pot ludicrous suggestion.

            • jin

              who says im in China? and please… dont say i love you to an another man…… makes me puke.

            • Riddler

              It’s a cultural thing Jin. In many parts of the world, it is NOT gay to say to a friend/bro ‘i love ya bro’.

              As i said, its all cultural and, if you look at @Kilroy238:disqus ‘s post he actually did not direct it at you.

          • maybeabanana

            You just don’t see the censorship but it’s there and it has been manipulating many for years.

        • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

          Plus, the US doesn’t really have any history of actually killing significant numbers of Chinese people. If the kid for whatever reason had instead said, “Kill everyone in Vietnam” or “Kill everyone in Cambodia”, that probably would not have been aired (assuming this wasn’t live and unscripted).

          • Paul

            I think a pretty significant number of Chinese people were killed by Americans in the Korean War

            • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

              Perhaps, but that’s obviously fundamentally different from Americans actually invading China and killing Chinese civilians.

            • Paul

              Okay. Then how about the Second Opium war, the Taiping Rebellion, and The Eight Powers invasion.

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              The Qing Government requested assistance to put down the Taiping Rebellion.

              The Eight Nation Alliance was in response to the wholesale massacre and murder of thousands of Westerners and Japanese by the Boxers.

            • Paul

              My point was it is not correct to say that the US doesn’t have a history of killing significant numbers of Chinese people.

            • Probotector

              Also, the Eight Powers Alliance declined to fully conquer China upon entering the Forbidden City. They believed the infrastructure of the Qing court was better left intact. Rather lenient if you ask me.

            • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

              The US had a very minimal military presence in the Second Opium War––perhaps no more than two isolated incidents, one of which was an act of retaliation. The US seem to have had an even more minimal military presence in the the Taiping Rebellion (it was occurring at the same time as the US Civil War; I’m pretty sure the Americans had higher priorities than fighting in China), and even then, any US involvement was in support of the Qing Dynasty.

            • TheSOP

              You’re really grasping at straws aren’t you lol. How about the genocide of the Zunghar people at the hands of the Chinese when they stole Xinjiang? I mean since we are wondering down random historical roads.

            • Robert Rou

              @d2c8805b108614877fbfc58a8e1400e6:disqus:

              Impressive, you mean to bring up the 1600s now. Quite frankly, you bore me.

            • TheSOP

              If there is one sanlu drinking racist fenqing whose opinion I could not care less about it would definitely be you Khan-Rou

            • mr.wiener

              Sanlu? [you already know the rest of the question]

            • TheSOP
            • Robert Rou

              I guess I’m supposed to recognize at this point that Khan-Rou is in some way shape or form derogatory?

            • TheSOP

              Your entire existence is derogatory.

            • Robert Rou

              “Your entire existence is derogatory.”

              Not bad! An actual response!

            • mr.wiener

              *even bigger sigh*
              What the f* has the genocide of the Zunghar people at the hands of the Chinese when they stole Xinjiang got to do with this?

            • TheSOP

              Hell if I know, what the hell does any of this thread have to do with a (somewhat creepy) 6 year old on a sugar high saying stupid shit. And what the hell does a (somewhat creepy) 6 year old on a sugar high saying stupid nonsense actually have to do with Sino-US relations??? Layers of questions, and they all lead nowhere.

            • wes707

              Taiping Rebellion? Okay, that was started by Hong Xiuquan who thought he was the younger brother of Jesus and rebelled against the Qing Dynasty causing a massive civil war. Not sure how that’s the fault of Americans.

            • mr.wiener

              *sigh*
              What the f*ck has the Second Opium war, the Taiping Rebellion, and The Eight Powers invasion got to do with this?

            • TheSOP

              I think a pretty significant number of Korean people were killed because the Chinese enabled a despotic Kim family mafia in the Korean War. Perhaps Chinese should apologize for the millions of Koreans whose deaths at the hands of the DPRK they are accomplices to.

            • Kai

              Don’t go down that road. The US has facilitated and sponsored its own embarrassing share of despots and dictatorships with way too much blood on their hands.

              People need to stop falling into the trap of arguing the overall superiority or inferiority of a country (or people) in order to win arguments about limited, specific points.

            • TheSOP

              There is no winning an argument about who is superior or inferior because all nations are fallible and all nations have committed heinous acts, and besides most posters will let their ethnic or ideological biases color their conclusions.

              But it is worth noting that most of us on the “Western” side of the debate are much more open to acknowledging the failings and shortcoming of our nations, its been part of our education, drilled into our heads since we were young this sense of original sin. Meanwhile you have Chinese posters who are so revisionist as to say the Great Leap Forward never happened or happened because of an American embargo, Chinese posters who cannot even admit that 1989 was an organic Chinese movement instead of some convoluted CIA plot. Their own inability to confront their own history or revise it in such a way as to support their desire to be a victim rather than a victimizer cannot be so easily dismissed.

              What becomes the narrative when you let one country, nation, or people unilaterally absolve themselves of their historical responsibilities, shortcomings and crimes while holding another nation or group of people accountable to a different standard? You empower a racist hateful narrative that paints one group of people as aggressors and another as perpetual victims when the reality could not be further from the truth. If you do not confront them Kai then you are enabling them. This is precisely the narrative that is becoming mainstream in China and is echoed by Sino-racists and revisionists on this forum today.

            • Kai

              You’re still falling into the trap.

              You’re also clutching to a stereotyped view of how open Chinese people are about the failings and shortcomings of their nation. There are a lot of ethnic Chinese commenters, even nationals, on cS who are quite open and honest about where China stands on things. There are a lot of Chinese netizens translated here on cS who have openly acknowledge the failings and shortcomings of their country and government, even society.

              I wish your comments would evidence a recognition of this but they often don’t. When you don’t, you shift the discussion from the failings or shortcomings themselves onto “the people”, trying to establish which “people” are more honest or open and, by extension, “superior”.

              China is hardly the only country where people can get defensive when it comes to criticsm of anything they identify or associate with. It is NOT hard to find commenters of any nationality and race who says objectionable, even revisionist, things. I know Chinese commenters may stand out to you and that’s understandable, but you have to force yourself to see the big picture and then comment in a way that evidences that.

              Otherwise, as I said, you are still in the trap of arguing superiority and inferiority between countries and people and that’s a misguided argument.

              Just about everything you said is not remotely singularly applicable to just the Chinese. The reason you keep falling into this trap is because you are overeager to publicly establish the “Chinese” as guilty of these things when it would be far more effective to stop pointing fingers at arbitrary identities and instead focus on condeming the double-standards and racist hateful narratives themselves. You need to stop using the crutch of generalizing universal behaviors onto specific identities. It’s a sort of pettiness. extremely susceptible to the self-righteous hypocrisy counter-argument, and ultimately a desire to heap “good” with oneself and heap “bad” on “the other”.

            • TheSOP

              Kai I hardly think a few poster here who are open about discussing Chinese history represent what we all know the reality is in Mainland China. A state constructed historical narrative of a victimized China is omni-present, narratives that expose China’s many dark chapters are not only not taught but actively suppressed with coercive action. You and I both know that among the world’s large powers China is “unique” in this way. And unfortunately a large proportion of the Chinese population has eaten the poison fruit, I’ve spent years in China and traversed it end to end (ok maybe not that far but I’ve probably seen as much of China as I have the US which is a fair bit). I have talked with innumerable Chinese people over the years, in academic and informal situations and to a large almost universal extent they are able to point fingers at the outside but not concede their nation’s own history.

              You say this is “not remotely singularly applicable to just the Chinese” but no other nation major nation, not the US, not EU states, not India, not even Japan, are as active in trying to shape an official historical narrative that glosses over domestic abuses while emphasizing foreign victimization. China stands alone among the worlds largest nations and the ignorance is palpable and the collective construct grievances of this revisionist narrative are setting the stage for serious conflict between China and her supposed “victimizers”, a justification for regaining face lost in the past. Maybe you dont see it that way but I follow East Asian geopolitics and the vitriol and self delusion exuded by China is a serious threat. I will confront it whenever and where ever I see it, we all should. I am happy to acknowledge my own country’s failings (and there are many) but I sure as hell wont give China a pass, especially when she is so proactively seeking to construct a false narrative that will absolve her of responsibility for the actions she has taken and looks set to take in the future.

              Again I say if you are not confronting this Kai then you are enabling it.

            • Kai

              I fail to confront every instance of the things you’re complaining about that comes from non-Chinese people. Am I enabling them?

              That’s unreasonable.

              You are still overeager to point fingers. You’re more interested in pointing fingers at “the Chinese” than confronting the problems themselves, in confronting the underlying reasons for phenomena like nationalism and revisionism. I feel the problems are less important than their association with the Chinese to you. To you, they are one and the same, but they aren’t to me. I don’t see the world in such an oversimplified way. I prefer–and genuinely try my best–to operate in truths rather than convenience.

              When you say things like “maybe you don’t see it that way but I…”, I get the feeling you think I don’t see the problems or the danger of those problems. That’s not true. I recognize them as problems and I recognize the dangers. I also recognize that these problems and dangers didn’t just manifest themselves in China out of nothing, that there is a context to why they exist, that Chinese nationalism or even revisionism is not a phenomenon that exists in isolated unilateralism any less than Korean or Japanese or any other country’s nationalism or revisionism does. There is enough examples of people whitewashing the sins of their own country/people/society relative to those of another on this website because people are so preoccupied with establishing superiority and inferiority to protect their personal identities and egos.

              Finally, I’m asking you to weigh your words, to be more accurate in your remarks, to evidence a consideration of the bigger picture (the context, the overall geopolitical environment and not just China’s role in it), but you interpret this as me asking you to give China a pass? No, they are not the same thing. Come on, man, my desire for you to raise your level of discourse is not me asking you to give China a pass.

              I wish people would stop going around in circles citing various reasons why the other side is “worse” or their side is “better”. So long as you’re in this dynamic of trying to establish superiority/inferiority, the conversation will go nowhere and the actual problems ignored. It becomes about identity and ego instead of any actual rational, well-intentioned discussion.

            • TheSOP

              Perhaps it is the association with China that is the real issue for you, despite wanting to rise above some petty ethnic allegiances perhaps you feel the pull to defend, even when criticisms have basis, somewhere in you?

            • Kai

              Except I also try to reason with people when their criticisms against OTHER countries go beyond what I think is justifiable or reasonable. There’s ample evidence of such in this very thread.

              I do want to rise above petty ethnic allegiances but I can’t say for sure I’m always successful. I think I’m pretty good about it on cS. I won’t let you insinuate I mindlessly defend China against what I consider to be unfair criticism simply because I’m ethnically Asian. I’m not one of those China apologists who assume people criticize China simply because they’re white or foreign or whatever.

              I forgot if it was you or someone else, but someone once asked another person who is demonstratbly routinely critical of China why they never seem to be critical of other countries. That person answered they are, just not on chinaSMACK.

              Would you agree this consideration should be given to me as well?

              Furthermore, I think you’re misrepresenting me. I’m critical of how some people express their criticisms or seemingly have double-standards in their criticism. I’m not however critical of people for simply having criticisms, much less criticisms with basis. This is a very important distinction.

              It’s one thing to criticize the apparent lack uniformity or conformity of opinion on certain issues amongst China’s population, it’s another to repeatedly spam “sanlu drinking fenqing” or some variant each time someone you assume to be Chinese has an opinion you don’t agree with. Don’t get me started on you irrelevantly but recently regularly bringing up Mao as an “STD-infested pedophile”. Imagine someone commenting on a site about modern Germany and German society finding excuses to bring up Hitler as some sort of generic put-down or rebuttal. It’s like Chinese people talking about Japan but for no goddamn reason bringing up the Rape of Nanjing as if trying to shame people they disagree with into silence.

              These behaviors of yours color how you express your criticisms, even when those criticisms by themselves have basis. It gives people reason to believe you’re not here to criticize much less discuss the problems, you’re here to criticize “China” or the “Chinese” themselves. Is this really the level of discourse you want to be defined by?

              There are people who criticize problems hoping to improve on them. There are others who point fingers in order to say those problems aren’t theirs.

            • TheSOP

              We all have our biases, best to be aware of them and I think you are far more on the ball than most posters here in that regard. But you occupy a special postition in that you ethnicity gives you “cred” with some of these more racist posters Han-supremacist types in that they can dismiss me out of hand as a WAM (which I am, seems thats about the only point they get right with any consistency) but you they will take more seriously in forcing them to confront their pseudo-reality regarding China-Asia-West history/relations.

              As for denigrating Mao, you know it is disingenuous to compare that to Hitler; Hitlers picture doesnt grace the Deutch-mark, nor does his portrait hang at the Reichstag and his words arent memorized by school children around Germany. Common Kai, we both know better than this. To destroy the cult of Mao is essential to creating a civilized China that respects her own people and the people of other nations.

            • Kai

              I’m not sure I fully understand what you mean by “special position” and “cred” with these other posters (which I can count on one hand at most). I’ve disagreed with them before (see my comment history) in similar ways as I’ve disagreed with you or other people.

              It is disingenuous to troll people and that’s what you’re doing when you spam “Mao is an STD-infested pedophile” without relevance to the topic at hand. I’m not comparing Mao to Hitler, I’m comparing the reasons you do this with the reasons other people might bring up Hitler or any number of similarly infamous historical figures in order to denigrate a country or people in such contexts. The reasons are similarly disingenuous.

              You could bring up Deng and his complicity in ’89 and I’d still criticize you for the intent behind your actions. You’re trolling. You are doing this with the intent to purposefully inflame people, not engage in genuine conversation about the topic.

              Like you, I’m critical of the cult of Mao but I also recognize that it has been quickly dying on its own without your help. It’s arguably already dead in any meaningful sense since people no longer fear the secret police for uttering a complaint that might even remotely be seen as a criticism of Mao’s leadership and governance. I also recognize that you aren’t helping. In other words, YOU are not going to “create” a “civilized” China by behaving in such an uncivilized manner.

              This conversation had a single point that I want to go back to before it gets distracted into tangents:

              People need to stop falling into the trap of arguing the overall superiority or inferiority of a country (or people) in order to win arguments about limited, specific points.

              You’re now defending your trolling comments about Mao by saying it helps destroy the cult of Mao which is essential to creating a “civilized” China. You are still in the trap of arguing the overall superiority or inferiority of a country or people in order to win arguments. You are still in the mode of thinking up faults, mistakes, embarrassments, etc. to put down and “shame” another country. You think spamming Mao is an STD-infested pedophile is going to help? You think harping about the infamy of another country’s historical leader is going to endear you to the people in that country and thus allow you to engage them in meaningful discourse instead of immediately alienating them?

              Come on, dude. The reason you do this has more to do with it being “fun” to talk shit about a common enemy/target with like-minded people on cS than it has with any genuine interest in destroying a cult of Mao that doesn’t exist here on cS in order to “civilize” China.

              You know this.

              I’m asking you to elevate your discourse.

              There are plenty of opportunities to bring up Mao and have a frank conversation about his infamy, but spamming his infamy in irrelevant conversations is not one of them. I’m asking you to recognize your own proclivity (of course, one that is shared by many) to turn a discussion into both sides putting down each other or trying to one-up each other–as if it’ll determine a winner– as “falling into a trap” that doesn’t contribute to any publicly constructive discourse.

              Is this really the level of discourse you want to be defined by?

              Each word above is a link to your recent comments in various threads. You don’t think these are as obnoxious as someone dismissing you as a “WAM”? You don’t like others dismissing you as a “WAM” and yet you go around dismissing them as “sanlu drinking fenqing” simply because you suspect their politics might differ from your own?

            • Riddler

              “You’re also clutching to a stereotyped view of how open Chinese people are about the failings and shortcomings of their nation. There are a lot of ethnic Chinese commenters, even nationals, on cS who are quite open and honest about where China stands on things. There are a lot of Chinese netizens translated here on cS who have openly acknowledge the failings and shortcomings of their country and government, even society.”

              I owe you an apology. I have totally misunderstood you Sir. You have my respect and I will moderate myself from this moment onwards.

              Seriously, I take back everything I have said against you and my general views which I see now how they must have riled you and other honest people. Sorry Kai.

            • Robert Rou

              Why are you even reasoning with this idiot? You reason with people that are actually reasonable.

              TheSOP comes from the likeness of those that say that slavery was good for black man, that colonization was great for those that were colonized, that we live in this “post-racial” world. LMAO!

              Do people even recognize that communism is/was an ANTI-IMPERIAL MOVEMENT? Kai, you said you dislike the charges of bias, so when do you plan to let your readers know?

            • Kai

              I try to reason with people I think I can possibly reason with, and if I can’t, I just hope my efforts had some modicum of interest or good influence for anyone who might be eavesdropping.

              I could be wrong, but I’m also trying my best.

              I’m not yet inclined to broaden POS with those characterizations. If you have links to comments of his that justify characterizing him that way, I’m willing to look at them.

              I do dislike charges of bias, whether they are accusing me of being biased against Westerners/white people or Asians/Chinese people. I can’t seem to please either side because the only way to do so would be to think, talk, and behave like them. I’m not willing to do that.

            • Robert Rou

              “I just hope my efforts had some modicum of interest or good influence for anyone who might be eavesdropping. ”
              “I’m not yet inclined to broaden POS with those characterizations.”

              Once upon a time, I too was the same. But today this is intensely naive.

              POS/TheSOP is a neo-con. For those of us in the know, this is plainly obvious. And should be for you too.

              But don’t take my word for it. Double-check, triple-check all that I say…. but do the same of him. He (and others) are playing you for a fool.

            • Kai

              I believe there are opportunities where we can address people who have different thoughts and beliefs than we do in a way that might change their minds, sway those who haven’t made up their minds, and/or reaffirm the thoughts and beliefs of those who already share them. All three of these motivations have value to me. Therefore, I don’t think this is an intensely naive notion because the alternative is a world without communication.

              That these people believe what they do means they were influenced into believing such things. That means they CAN be influenced. No one is born with the beliefs they have.

              Maybe POS can be labeled a neo-con and maybe he is “playing me for a fool” (what is that, trolling me?), I don’t know. I’m just saying I haven’t seen enough to trigger that label in my head. Maybe you’re reading way more of his comments than I am. Like I said, I welcome you to try convincing me. I’m just trying to be critical of specific actual points in conversations instead of dismissing him entirely as a person.

            • TheSOP

              Thats funny that you say liken me to one of those that say that slavery was good for black man, because you say essentially the same thing about the Chinese, that their enslavement and disenfranchisement at the hands of the CCP is for their own good to stop some mythical Western boogie man. You are moronic and not anywhere near warranting a serious debate from me, like a child talking to a master.

            • Robert Rou

              “Meanwhile you have Chinese posters who are so revisionist as to say the
              Great Leap Forward never happened or happened because of an American
              embargo…”

              Then come forth and passionately admit that George W. Bush’s government policies caused Hurricane Katrina and its mass flooding. Declare it unreservedly for the world to see, so that we may all be truly enlightened by what happened there!

              Because I kid you not when I say that man has never exploited natural disaster for political gain. This world needs just a little bit more “truth”, especially from you.

            • TheSOP

              GWB caused hurricane Katrina? Wow western boogey man controls mother nature now? Perhaps you mean his response was an abysmal failure? Yep, that is widely known, next. Oh and that compares to the deaths of 20 million+ Chinese how? Just shows how little you value Chinese life I guess.

              You cant be taken seriously in any way, by every metric and measurement you are an ignorant and insecure child.

            • Robert Rou

              “Chinese posters who cannot even admit that 1989 was an organic Chinese movement instead of some convoluted CIA plot.”

              I do wonder… have you ever heard of this thing called Wikileaks, especially in relation to the 1989 Tiananmen Square crackdown?

              Do some googling. Or, if you’d like, here’s an example:
              http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8555142/Wikileaks-no-bloodshed-inside-Tiananmen-Square-cables-claim.html

              When even WikiLeaks vindicates the CCP’s account and that Americans have known about it through its cable dispatches all along, then you have a duty to ask yourself who is the real revisionist.

            • Riddler

              Syria?

            • Probotector

              I think a pretty significant number of Chinese people were killed by Mao in the Great Leap Forward.

            • jin

              deflect deflect, why is it that you kept repeating this? like 100 times??? like europe and america didnt have a idiot like that in the past.

            • Probotector

              What’s wrong with deflection if it counters his lie of argument. Sorry if you can’t take it. Maybe China should stop worshiping Mao then.

            • Kai

              If there’s nothing wrong, then don’t defend it. He’s saying Westerners use the same argumentative tactics they criticize the Chinese for. That’s true. Admit it and move the discussion forward by getting acknowledgment for the actual points.

            • Riddler

              Deflect deflect? You still have not responded directly to my question regarding East Turkmenistan as you call it xinjiang, and Tibet. Answer that, read it above, not going to type it again.

            • jin

              did i ever say that china did nothing wrong??? if i get a dollar each time probotector say about Mao idiot, i would be a millionair.

            • Riddler

              jin, ok I’m sorry for getting on your case. All this is pointless, the bickering, arguing, insulting each other. And again I apologise for the way I have phrased my points.

            • Riddler

              But probotector has valid points all the same.

            • mr.wiener

              What the f*ck has Mao got to do with this?

            • Probotector

              He’s talking about how many Chinese were killed by Americans, it’s ironic because a Chinese leader (Mao) killed so many more. I thought this needed pointing out. Understand now? 10 other people did.

            • mr.wiener

              Yes, but all you are doing is arguing and cherry-picking historical atrocities to somehow prove the other side is more at fault than yours.
              His statement was idiotic and proved nothing, yours even though a counter was equally so.

            • Probotector

              I think you did the same thing when you mentioned lynchings of blacks.

            • TheSOP

              Snap~~

            • mr.wiener

              The comment in Question was that [I’m paraphrasing from memory here] That Europeans had never gone on mob rampages against people of other race.
              The historical cherry-picking I’m objecting to is which side has the highest body count….Does it matter? At the end of the day homo sapiens is still a violent illogical animal.

              You cannot make a man out of a sheep by making it stand on its hind legs. You can however make a herd of sheep out of a crowd of men.

            • Dogdish

              Whaaaat’s Mao got to do with got to do with it. Whaaaaat’s Mao but a second hand emotion!

          • AMILIYUN

            good point

          • Robert Rou

            “Plus, the US doesn’t really have any history of actually killing significant numbers of Chinese people.”

            This, I will agree with.

        • JankyFosci

          When a comment like that is even allowed to air on a very popular television show… well that says it all.

      • Asian Male Insecurity

        “Asians are passive” is a false meme pushed by aggrieved Asian Americans who feel they aren’t given enough “respect”.

        How many mountains of skulls did the Chinese leave in SE Asia during their continual incursions, punitive and acquisitive, over the past two thousand years?

        This isn’t passivity. Asians can be extremely vicious in large enough numbers. Something I always tell my HK white friends is: “If they were required to turn on you at a moment’s notice, kill you, kill your families, burn your houses/apartments down, they’d do it without any hesitation”.

        • the ace of books

          Asians can be extremely vicious in large enough numbers.

          I’d note that that’s not an “Asian” mentality, that’s a mob mentality. Any group of people, from any country – feed ‘em nationalistic propaganda exclusively enough and you’ll have a base number of them convert to you. And you get any angry, frightened, aggressive group of people together — doesn’t matter where they’re from, they’ll tear into you if they can. Mob mentality is completely different from normal logic, because it fuels itself and it speaks with emotions, not reason.

          • Asian Male Insecurity

            Incorrect. I’ve seen it happen with my own eyes, a dispute between a Chinese and a foreigner always winds up with other Chinese getting involved on their countryman’s side, even people who have no fucking idea what the argument is about. I’m sure other CSers here can affirm the truth of what I’m saying. The fact is, even if you’ve been damn well robbed, it’s not a good idea to openly confront the Chinaman because his compatriots will flock to his side by default.

            I have never encountered an analogous situation in the West. Ever. Not even close. And this was in Hong Kong, not with your boogeymen, English teachers, but with professional people: Bankers, pilots, consultants etc.

            • Chris Hansen

              I guess you haven’t seen the 2011 Stanley Cup Riot in Vancouver BC then…thousands of crazed hillbillies came from no where and all of a sudden when shit hits the fan…they started burning shops and their own pick-up trucks…so mob mentality is not exclusive to Asians…it’s to all human beings and animals….Oh and another clip for all you calm, collected and confident white males

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              I’m not referring to mob mentality, that’s a strawman you pulled out of nowhere.

              Refer back to my earlier comments. I’m referring to pure tribal viciousness.

            • mr.wiener

              He’s strawmanning?
              Garrn!! If you’d strawmanned any harder today you’d be singing “if I only had a heart” from the wizard of Oz.

            • the ace of books

              pure tribal viciousness

              Son, this kind of wording’s getting awful close to “them damn savages”. I’m sure you don’t want to go down that route, do you?

              Or do you?

            • Riddler

              And another clip for you uncalm, unconfident yellow males.

            • luke42

              Hansen is black….. derp. troll fail

            • Riddler

              Would you mind repeating that in English please so that i may dignify you with a response?

            • Riddler

              So Hansen is black. Are you his gimp?

              I am also black but don’t carry chips on either shoulder in that, I don’t generally go around labelling people by their skin tone. Just their attitudes.

              By the way, how do you know hansen is black?

            • luke42

              I’ve had the opportunity to have a dialogue with hansen in the past. I don’t necessarily agree with the things he says, but I thought I’d just point that out to you in case you thought he was asian. Also, I thought I’d put these two quotes together for your amusement. Have a good day. Hypocrite.

              “I don’t generally go around labelling people by their skin tone”

              “And another clip for you uncalm, unconfident yellow males”

            • Riddler

              I thought i would provide you with one word for your embarrassment:

              ‘GENERALLY’

            • Riddler

              Oh and another thing, if you/hansen as black people, have in the past, been aggrieved by a white person and, you in some crevice of your brain, feel that somehow, mainland chinese will sympathise with you, then, i am afraid to inform you that you are in for one nasty shock. You have ANY idea what chinese people REALLY think of coloured people?

              Oh yes, to your face, they will bitch about white people and what they have done all with the slave trade and etc. You are being played.

            • Probotector

              I do a questionnaire as a final exam for all my students. The prototype was conducted last term. The results show that Chinese people hate Japan, hate America and hate black people, and the only place in the world they want to travel to is somewhere in China. Some of them also confused a map of Japan for Korea.

            • David

              I have seen this a little in China but this was so very true when I lived in Korea. Most black guys I worked with in the military hated going off base for fun. I think it has changed a little in the last few years but it would not surprise me a lot to find out the change was only superficial (last time I was there to visit was July and did not see as much of a problem in Seoul as in the more rural communities). I have only been in China for 8 months and only met one African American guy in
              Wuxi but a black woman from Cameroon that I work with has told me the same thing (yea, I know it is only anecdotal but between that and conversations with Chinese friends it is certainly the impression I get).

            • Riddler

              You will see more as you spend time here. It isn’t as apparent as it is subtle but it is there.

            • disqus_0ngJTpA5hf

              Riddle me this. What do you call a deluded moron? Riddler.

              I wasnt gonna answer for you but I realised you’re too stupid to pick up subtle hints

            • 二奶头发

              Why did the riots happen? well here is why…

              You do realize that the Vancouver Canucks have NEVER won a Stanley Cup! The Canucks franchise started in the early 1970s. the last time Vancouver won the cup was around the early 1900’s when they were the millionaires.

              The riot was about Hockey.. They had a shot in 1982 against the islanders and blew it.

              Then again in 1994 against the rangers and blew that too. and there was a riot then too.

              The media hyped up the 2011 run at the cup saying Vancouver was sure to win… but when they blew that run well… another riot

              what YOU failed to show is the thousands of people in vancouver cleaning up the streets the next day… Helping the police catch the people rioting. it was a black eye for the city but it try its best to fix what happened.

            • David

              OK, I am from Chicago (and a hockey fan so I was so happy this year) but I never understood the riot mentality. In the 90’s we won 6 NBA championships and never had a riot. . When my White Sox won the World series for the first time in over 90 years we did not riot. In Detroit they riot if they win or if they lose.

            • 二奶头发

              I would like to see what happens if the Canucks do win the cup. I would guess there wouldn’t be a riot.

            • David

              I think your right. I also think the Black Hawks will repeat so no problem lol

            • Chris Hansen

              Yeah…but the riot did happen IN THE FIRST PLACE…it doesn’t matter if the Canucks won a cup before or not…you just don’t go around burning people’s shops…and giving Vancouver a bad rep. Did you join the riot too? Vancouver PD is looking hard into finding the perps. Your logic is if a team doesn’t win a medal or cup, the citizen of the (losing city) should go and have a riot? By the way you should look up and watch some of the recorded 2011 riot footage to see how many great and calm Caucasians along with other (less numbers) of minorities were there to start the riot as their primary intent.

            • 二奶头发

              Actually I blame the media, the city of vancouver and finally the rioters themselves for the riot. They had a similar riot in 1994 (again because of the canucks losing) and they didn’t learn from that?

              The city should have been prepared for a riot. They should have spent more money on security and the police.

              Look what happens after football matches (soccer) in england. you should see all the security set up around town and those are not even playoff games.

              I blame media for not INFORMING people not to riot. MEDIA just wants ratings and they get more from showing clips of people rioting then a clip asking people to be orderly after the game.

              FINALLY i blame the rioters. Yes there were SOME that caused lots of problems damage etc. and they should have just left the area went home and slept off their beer.

              BTW the video clip you presented is NOT EVEN from the riot OR in VANCOUVER. its just some fight in BC.

            • Chris Hansen

              Yet…You’re still making excuses for these rioters…the videos and discussions I’ve brought up in my original post was to show mr InsecureAsianMale that first mob mentality exists everywhere and in every nationality…and this video brings the point home about mob mentality…3 up-to-no-good crackers got absolutely no balls have to gang up on one lone black male…which proves not only the Chinese, blacks, Hispanics and yes…even the white people can have mob mentalities and appetite for destruction and mischief…so if you can’t stand the truth go back and hide somewhere in the boonies where men in white hood still walk around with crosses and yelling out “white power”

            • 二奶头发

              By your comments you must have a lot of hatred toward white people.

            • 5,000 years of uncivilization

              I think it’s safe to say that a over-reactionary mentality is also an under-developed one.

            • http://chinasweat.blogspot.com/ Mike Lovett

              That is truly unbelievable! I spent some time in BC, Vancouver in fact. I thought it was a nice, clean city with little crime to speak of. I think team sports bring out a certain caveman mentality in the first place. Look what happens in S. America and England when opposing team fans start a riot.

            • Probotector

              So they’re hillbillies because they’re white?

            • Kai

              Wait, what exactly is “incorrect” about the comment by @theaceofbooks:disqus ?

              How does your anecdote and appeal to shared experience refute her statements? If you have never encountered something personally, does that mean other people’s experiences are untrue? That mob mentality doesn’t exist in the West, “ever, not even close” because you’ve never encountered it?

            • mr.wiener

              I guess it must be true because he said so.

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              My point was not about “mob mentality” to begin with. My point was that the vast majority of Westerners will not gang up on a non-Westerner simply on account of the fact he’s not part of their tribe when a dispute between a Westerner and a non-Westerner breaks out.

            • mr.wiener

              So all those black folks in America lynched themselves? Damn, that was careless of them.

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              I don’t know what you think you stand to gain from constantly attacking your own people. Chinese people, even more reasonable ones like Kai, aren’t going to ever prioritize a laowai above a member of their ingroup. Sorry.

            • mr.wiener

              “My own people”
              …..eerrrm, I owe my allegiance to my friends and people I like.I don’t choose any of these based on race. [Though I have been known to hang out with female friends based on their bust size]

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              Yes exactly, you’ve “moved beyond” race.

              But the rest of the world hasn’t.

              Consider what evolutionary sense it makes to have zero group identity in a world where the vast majority of non-Westerners are fairly tribally orientated. It’s self-destructive to the extreme, especially in the long term.

            • mr.wiener

              It will one day, why hold it back?

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              >It will one day

              Why would you believe this? If anything racial tribalism is intensifying in the US. Whites are at a distinct disadvantage precisely because they don’t have recourse to the sorts of racial-tribal grievance apparatus that non-whites, like Lucieee earlier was mentioning, do.

            • amic

              sir i believe you’re on the wrong site. I believe the one you’re looking for usually has the headlines: white pride worldwide, theklan4ever, etc. Its usually along those lines. Glad to be of some assistance! Your welcome.

            • Riddler

              That is not true. Is racism always white against colour? If you believe this, you are deluded. As a black man I assure you that there is plenty, I mean more than plenty of racsim levelled against white people in western countries. Anyone who says this is untrue go jump off a cliff.

              Racism to some extent is inherent in all of us. It must be pointed out though that mainland china is probably the most racist society I have come across.

              You may speak about racism in the west. In Britain, we have a law against Hate Crimes. If you call anyone a ‘black/white this or that’ this will result in immediate arrest, an overnight stay at a police station and prison bus to court the next morning to see if you can get bail or not.

              Try telling me about mainland china and its anti-racism laws anyone? Anyone? No? Thought so.

            • amic

              asian male insecurity plz bring your friend riddler with you your klan masks are ready.

            • Riddler

              Really? Did yours fit?

            • The fake deal

              Riddler and “asian male insecurity” are probably the same people have you not noticed that yet? You’re pretty slow buddy. Off you go now. Play with your toys like a good boy.

            • Riddler

              Would you mind shedding light on, as to how you came to that conclusion? Linguistic comparison? Diction? Psychoanalysis?

              Or simply that I agreed with him and that makes you stark raving mad.

            • Kai

              Using multiple aliases is against our comment policy. Be careful accusing others of doing something you yourself are guilty of.

            • Riddler

              Thank you Kai. I certainly have changed my username but have never and will never attempt to use multiple aliases. I intend to stay with this name and try not to get myself banned. Thank you again Sir.

            • TheSOP

              Why is it so typical, fenqing accuse others of doing something what 9/10 times it is them who engage in underhanded nonsense. You have no credibility, no solutions, get bent.

            • Robert Rou

              “underhanded nonsense”
              “You have no credibility”

              Of course, we all know you’re referring to yourself. With the number of times you’ve been exposed with your disseminating nonsense in this article alone, you’d think you’d be smart enough to shut your trap. Glad to see that you’ve declined, so you can continue to embarrass yourself for all of posterity.

            • TheSOP

              For the last time Khan-Rou, no you cant bob my WAM knob.

            • wacky

              there is no need for anti racism law in china, stupid political correctness should never be a part of china or any asian countries. liberal shit is the worst import we could possibly have

            • Riddler

              How about stupid old human rights? No? Pleath? Pwetty pleath?

            • wacky

              i am not the part of your religion of democracy and and i am not
              worshiping the divinity of the human prick you are talking about. those
              are fucked up values used by the west conveniently to attack unfriendly
              political entity while letting friendly countries like saudi or egypt
              get away from it.
              china should never let the shitty political
              correctness that make every majority guilty and every policeman a racist
              to poison its people to prevent paris and london riot to ever happen in
              china.

            • Riddler

              “… used by the west conveniently to attack unfriendly political entity while letting friendly countries like saudi or egypt get away from it”

              I agree with you 100% on this. Do you think we could find other areas we could agree on and build on it?

              Seriously.

            • Kai

              What? Why “Asian countries”?

              It’s impossible to stamp out, but I think China could do well with some more ENFORCED anti-discrimination policies and hate-crime laws.

              I also don’t see why political correctness is necesarily stupid even if it can be taken to certain extremes that may be widely considered absurd. Political correctness is just one name of society trying to shape its own norms. It already exists in China, just in different forms for different ends.

              People often abuse labels like “political correctness” and “liberal” these days as a shorthand buzzwords for communicating to people of like mind that they should share in their contempt.

            • wacky

              it is already the fact that no such law regarding hate speech exist in any asian country as far as i know, or at least not like those in the western countries.

              for example???
              norm and law are 2 different things.

            • Riddler

              Well this is a complex area. Look, you have not had the kind of immigration that for example London or New York, to cite two examples, have had. Therefore it is not comprehensible to require the kinds of laws which would make such a melting pot of cultures to live and, live in ‘relative’ peace. This is why you have not up to this point needed these types of laws.

              I DO understand your anger and I DO understand you. The thing is, you and I do not need to insult each other to agree to disagree. I fully respect, and demand you say what you believe. As the saying goes, i may disagree with you but, i would die for the right for you to give your opinion.

              Now tell me directly. Do we have peace brother? Here and now.

            • wacky

              i have no means to insult you personally, i’ve been rejecting western values for a long time, that is including democracy human right, and also free immigration and citizenship, political correctness etc.
              what i am doing is voicing my opinion

            • Riddler

              Thank you for your kind reply. As I said, I may disagree with you but, you have the God given right to express your opinion and believe me, I know where you are coming from, really.

              Sigh…this is, as I said a complex issue, I hope we could meet, sit down, and I would love to listen to you. And hope you would listen to me. And we would realise, that the things we say here have very little to do with what we actually believe in reality.

              I apologise to you if I have offended you by any of my comments whether directly or indirectly.

            • TheSOP

              You reject and oppose but you offer no real value system, you are just anit anti anti because you are insecure culturally vis-a-vis the West. What government system should people live under, what rights should they enjoy, who decides that, who can earn money, who can negotiate for their wage? You offer nothing except the usual reactionary dribble of the indoctrinated fenqing, not a single ounce of originality or critical thinking.

            • wacky

              what government should people live under?? not the one who sell their natural resources to the western companies.
              should democratically elected morsi be in office now?? who didnt america say it was a coup??? western double standard applied for everything right???

              who decided who can earn money??? work and earn money, i dont even understand what you are saying

              who can negotiate for their wage, the wage in china has been increasing in the past years, the issue of wage is not the issue of the worker alone, the companies and the government have the say too. in the end of the day wage issue is going to effect national consumption and economic growth. focusing on one side alone and screaming rights right right are just fucked up

            • Robert Rou

              “not a single ounce of originality or critical thinking.”

              LOL coming from our resident chinaSmack parrot. What a joke you are. Keep up that propaganda because pretty soon that’s all that you’ll have left. It’s unoriginal, boring, and repetitive. I, and others, have and will continue to call you out on your bullshit. Not surprisingly, you’ve chosen to decline to respond and pick on this poor fellow. Keep running, my friend.

            • Kai

              Yes, norms and laws are different things. I’m saying laws are often used to shape norms and I think China could do well with some more laws in certain areas such as discrimination that are also then enforced.

            • wacky

              discrimination against whom? the foreigner??
              china does not have immigrant working there like those in western countries

              if we look at immigration in asia you will know that people from philippines, indonesia, bangladesh,india, nepal and myanmar are working everywhere in asia mainly japan, korea, taiwan, hk. malaysia, singapore or thailand some even go to work in middle east.
              do these country have law to integrate them? no
              have these countries implemented the kind of political correctness or anti discrimination like in the west?? no
              do these country give a path of citizenship?? how many of those immigrant are now citizen?? i guess you can count with your finger

              yet
              there is no nazi party killing immigrant there
              there is no politician campaigning over this issue
              there is no immigrant running amok smashing windows looting and burning cars.

            • Kai

              Would anti-discrimination policies and laws would make this situation worse?

            • wacky

              if you can get arrested just by saying something means that the law is bullshit, dont people have the rights to like or hate people as long as there is not direct violence, there should never be any law involved

            • Probotector

              “there is no need for anti racism law in china”

              Is that because racism is a virtue in China?

            • manofearth

              lol …black man things he is white man… lol

              but maybe u could reflect upon ur anti-racism laws- could it be you ppl needed them because racism was/is all over ur place… try think about it lil black fella from britain ; )

            • Probotector

              lol Chinese man who thinks he’s actually clever and saying anything worth listening to.

            • manofearth

              hehe- white trash living his retard moments online… and btw thanks for reading worthless comments ^^ worthless man from the “west” ^^ it very suits you

            • Probotector

              Why are you so hateful? Regarding racism, is that all you can think of to counter an argument: you think any criticism of China is racist? How exactly, or is it just that’s the only argument you’ve got? Even so, you are constantly using racist slurs against all of us. Now, I know in China, hypocrisy doesn’t matter as long as you’ve defended “THE MOTHERLAND”, but you’re just coming off as a deeply angry fool who is desperate to start an argument.

            • manofearth

              hrhrhr lil white/black racist is being insulted by “chinaman” – pl. go on with ur selfrightous point of racism… chinaman is only typing the way even u r able to comprehend… poor lil fella got it back as it was given… wanna cry now? oooh cry on lil racist from the “west” ; )

            • Probotector

              As long as you’re proud you’ve done your bit for patriotism today.

            • white racist retard

              as long as you are defending our godgiven right for racism online – we the white racist retards are proud of you – well done!

            • Probotector

              So only whites are capable of racism, is that the ridiculous message you’re trying to push?

            • David

              Even in countries where the majority of the people are of one color there is considerable amount of racism based on shades. Take a trip down to South America sometime when everybody is basically brown. However, depending on the shade of brown people will treat you as intelligent/privileged or poor/stupid. I know in Brazil the common saying is something like “take a dark skinned person for a lover (man or woman) but marry a light skinned person” (this is a rough translation from a friend as I do not speak Portuguese lol). I am not even sure if it should be called “shadism” instead of “racism”. lol I am also not sure if this is an insult to people with darker skin or a compliment. Either way it is pretty obvious that white people do not have the monopoly on this type of behavior.

            • Riddler

              You could not be more correct. I have experienced the western brand of racism as a kid, and I have seen the west grow. Today, there is no better place to live than in the west if equality is what we look for in life. If anything, I feel guilty as to how white people are now held hostage in their own countries where the balance is tipping over to their disadvantage. It is a phenomenon which needs to be addressed. Whoever says this is not true is not looking carefully.

              Now, this shadism? Nail on the head. If people in general knew how racist asians actually are, it would shock them. Asians as in all of them. Indians worship white indians. So do chinese. They have face whitening now. But they hate white people.

              My wife is Greek and is olive skinned. Very tanned in summer. This would probably pose a dilemma for asians. Imagine? White wife in the winter, and dark in the summer. What would they do i wonder?

              They have a long way to go before they get to the stage where we are in the west. Seriously. In china they call mixed race ‘dirty blood’. Imagine this being said in London or New York.

              As a black man, i have never experienced true racism as i have in asia, particularly china.

            • manofearth

              no way!! now u sound like an totally insecure white male… better update ur nick lil fella from the “west”… ^^

            • Probotector

              However, a lot of races and nations do, including the Chinese. This will put you at a disadvantage if they ever gang up on you. Who knows if one day then, you’re forced to pick a side. Hopefully not.

            • Riddler

              Though I have been known to hang out with female friends based on their bust size.

              In that case there is someone you should meet:-)

            • Yorgos

              some do, but they are generally labelled ‘self hating’.

            • mr.wiener

              Really? I must practice some more self love. …Hmmm… this site looks good…”clown and asian Milf”.

            • Probotector

              That doesn’t happen anymore. For God’s sake stop using historical injustices and the sins of the father to make an argument. We’re talking about the here and now, in which racism is debunked in the West as a concept of ignorance and misplaced hate, whereas in China it is part and parcel with national pride.

            • kensworth

              “god’s sake stop using historical injustices” why don’t you throw that line at the hard on for history titled “asian male insecurity?

            • Probotector

              He hasn’t used any of those arguments in this thread

            • kensworth

              lol really now? plz read below then. Its not that he hasn’t used them, it’s that you want to support his side of things wholeheartedly. Don’t kid yourself

            • Riddler

              And you decide to disagree wholeheartedly despite not knowing which day of the week it is.

            • Probotector

              In this THREAD, not on this story.Elsewhere he has, yes.

            • wacky

              since anti chinese propaganda by western media keep continuing, why should the chinese bother do the same thing?? in fact the reach of anti western propaganda in china has not yet spilling across the border

            • Probotector

              There’s no such thing as anti-Chinese propaganda, don’t flatter yourself. I haven’t a clue what the rest of what you said is about. Whose border?

            • manofearth

              yeah – keep on lying – u are pretty good with it – stick to it if u cant bear reality or just keep being an ignorant fool u like to represent urself… jobs well done ; )

            • Probotector

              What are you talking about?

            • manofearth

              ok u r a retard then – again – well done

            • Probotector

              It’s not retarded, you’re calling me a liar. When did I lie?

            • manofearth

              hrhr
              funny lil liar from the “west” ; )
              pl. check:
              a. ur conscience
              b. ur “postings”
              c. ur meds

              k- enough of this abc for u now – i know… it hurts ur head real bad!
              ^^

            • Riddler

              It’s ok, he’s just missing ‘whuddysack’ i put whuddysacks video up so pussyofearth can calm down a little.

            • Riddler

              What are you doing here ‘whuddysack’ is waiting for you!

            • wacky

              really there is no such thing???

              chinese military is a threat to the peace in asia???
              colonizations of africa by chinese??
              just go to google news

            • Probotector

              That’s not propaganda.

            • Riddler

              As I said to someone earlier, despite the crimes of groups past and present in America, there have always been white Americans who went to extremes, put their lives and those of their families on the line to prevent and stop these atrocities.

              I would gladly welcome a Han chinese grassroots movement who would do the same for those in Tibet, Xinjiang, and those poor people in Africa who lands are being stripped for mining by chinese companies who use arsenic as a regent in order to improve yield.

              None of them are right, but at least in the West there are people of conscience who have dedicated their lives to improving the lives of those affected by the actions of their respective governments.

            • wacky

              i would gladly support the movement that shows the fact of positive impacts that has also been created in tibet and xinjiang (the kinds that are against your media propaganda) and to show the fact of how many chinese workers has been killed in africa by the local (the kind of news that shitty mind like yours never bother to mention)

            • Riddler

              I will not repsond to your personal attacks purely out of respect for @Kai and @mrwiener:disqus, I do not intend to make their work any more difficult than it already is.

              Come with something better than that and we can engage. Regards.

              edit. ps. trust me, if i wanted, i could disturb your head but it is out of respect of those mentioned above that i won’t.

            • wacky

              say what you want to say, your comment above clearly shows the usual biased against china by the western media

            • Riddler

              Media is media and always has bias, I agree with you on this completely. Western media, Asian Media, African Media. You may want to read up on ‘Manufacturing Consent’ and ‘Necessary Illusions’ by Chomsky.

              But I am not media neither are you. Are we going to quarrel about whose media is more bias or, are you and I, going to get our heads together and look for what we, as humans have in common or, are we going to bang each other over the heads like cavemen arguing whose corrupt media is more corrupt?

              You seem like a very, very intelligent man/woman and I hope we can share information, thoughts, vibes. Instead of hating each other. It’s easy to love those we love bro.

            • David

              I am confused about what biased you are ranting against. The story above is from a Chinese website written and reported on by Chinese with Chinese citizens commenting as are all of the stories here. Maybe if this was the comment section of CNN I could understand your point (ignoring all the incredibly racist and ignorant comments you have made) but it is lost on me here. Do you think the translation is biased?

            • manofearth

              ja sure – if u want it u can be flying like superman all over the world or batman hunting down those darn chinese -lol- u better go check ur meds

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              You’re a typical Chinese bullshitter, you may ultimately have a point about Chinese workers killed in Africa, but you’re quite happy to take advantage of Western PC when it suits you. You’re not opposed to the concept of absurd PC per se, just when it’s disadvantageous to Chinese. Hence the fact you have Chinese in the West complaining about how “racist” songs like Kung Fu Fighting are.

              Honestly, sometimes I think because of the face-centric nature of Asian “morality”, you’re oblivious to how completely hypocritical you’re being.

            • wacky

              typical retard i’ve seen so many times on the internet. do you think i am complaining about media bias?? do you even think that complaining about media bias will make them less bias???
              go fuck your self. the only way to deal with media bias is put another bias against it.
              in fact i am not satisfy because cctv english is less bias against the west, i like how russia today or press tv or al jazzera are bias against the west.
              this is the time of war not yet to a full scale war but image war and media war is going on now.
              and because of your shitty brain you think you have an authority to complain about people complaining about media bias go fuck yourself

            • David

              You do realize you have just invalidated any argument you had right?

            • manofearth

              look whos typing- nother typical white trash racist online…
              didnt get enough encouragement for life – right? now go on doing some white-power-poopoo in your head poor lil retard

            • manofearth

              ja lotsa conscience white trash ppl sure have… – like giving free genozide, slavery, bombings, depleted uranium munition or just only a “minor” amount of agent orange here and there to the world

              be sure the ppl on this earth do owe u and ur “kind” a lot – and it will galdly be repaid in time

              deluted lil fella from the “west” – wake up…

            • Riddler

              It seems you have had a few shots of agent orange yourself. Were you parents by any chance, brother and sister? And you the mutant offspring?

              You sure have colour issues there old boy. Now run along, to your room, lock the door, then lie there under your bed, clutching the blanket with one hand, and the other hand pound away like a oil rig, because a puny retard like you won’t ever have a woman in his life.

            • David

              Yea, thank god only white people have done these things. Can you imagine how messed up the world would be if people of color did that also? You might have Africans selling other Africans as slaves or Cambodians killing their own people or Afghan terrorists blowing up buses full of Afghan women and children. Thank goodness that does not happen.

            • David

              Don’t you think that was a little below the belt? I mean it has been a few years since the KKK could do something like that. Also, back in the day, many white people were lynched for trying to help/support blacks who were being intimidated.

            • mr.wiener

              I do not think that was below the belt and I’m tired of little chauvinists claiming [ASI et al] claiming this group is wack whereas their group is innocent of these faults.
              Do you know the difference between civilization and anarchy?
              Three meals.

            • Robert Rou

              “Also, back in the day, many white people were lynched for trying to help/support blacks who were being intimidated.”

              And yes, by whom? The KKK, that’s right.

            • David

              Yes that is correct. I thought that was implicit in my comment. Were you simply clarifying or were you adding something new?

            • Probotector

              Yeah, these dudes need to be more careful when they read, instead of spouting their liberal diatribe without thinking.

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              Indeed.

            • Kai

              You replied to her comment with “incorrect” so I wanted to know what did she say exactly that was incorrect? Otherwise it sounds like you’re disagreeing with her for a position you’ve projected onto her that exists in your head and not in her actual written speech.

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              If she’s a girl and she’s in a foreign country on her own then sorry, but that’s crazy.

            • the ace of books

              Oh! Oh! This post is exactly 100% terrible! Let me point out why:

              but that’s crazy

              Missing antecedent – what’s crazy? Please elucidate.

              If she’s a girl and she’s in a foreign country on her own […] but that’s crazy.

              So “it” (I’m assuming you mean my argument, because I can’t think what else you’d be referencing)’s crazy because I’m a girl?

              Or, hang on, even better – the fact that I’m female and I’m in a foreign country is crazy? Oh, I like that! That implies i should be sticking to my own land because I jsut can’t handle foreignness! Lovely.

              […] then sorry, but […]

              This is an awful lot like “I’m not racist, but” or “I’m not a sexist, but”. Look, let’s all admit it: you’re not sorry, son. You’re just being preemptively defensive because you’re about to say something offensive.

              My advice: sit this one out. You’ve already proven a complete failure with this comment. Just stop, son. Just … stop.

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              It’s crazy that fathers allow their daughters to go around all over the place on their own.

            • the ace of books

              The flavour of failed trolling sits bitter on the tongue, doesn’t it?

            • Probotector

              You called him ‘son’ How old are you, like 60?

            • aggro

              You know you’ve been put in your place when you’ve got to resort to comments like this.

            • Riddler

              And you know you don’t know your place when you interject into adult conversation.

              Apologise to Probotector.

            • Riddler

              You like to issue imperatives. Someone should stop because you say so?

              “Oh! Oh! This post is exactly 100% terrible! Let me point out why”

              I stopped reading at that point. That is at best, Key Stage 1 writing.

            • manofearth

              bro – u should stop posting too – black trash from britain – do u you not feel ashamed at all? pl. reflect upon ur nonsense u r presenting here – best of luck!

            • Probotector

              …and you’re not racist at all are you?

            • manofearth

              …asked the racist – pl. reflect upon urself too lil retard from the “west” ^^ anyway best of luck to u too

            • Riddler

              My first post to you. Have you read this shit?

              “Riddler and “asian male insecurity” are probably the same people have you not noticed that yet?”

              Bemused. Someone thinks they are a bit of a psychoanalyst.

              So we are supposed to be the same person huh? You deal with this.

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              We’re not, perhaps a mod can IP confirm.

            • Riddler

              Maybe, I hope so. But I doubt they would.

            • Riddler

              Actually they already have in a sense, if there were even a sliver of suspicion that I am using multiple names, I’d be slung out of here in a nanosecond.

            • Kai

              I’m waiting for those who have so far enthusiastically supported you to begin distancing themselves from you on this. I’m not seeing it. That’s disturbing to me.

            • the ace of books

              a dispute between a Chinese and a foreigner always winds up with other Chinese getting involved on their countryman’s side

              I’d cite you a couple reasons for this: one is Novelty, and the other is Kan Renao. The two feed off each other in this way:

              Kan Renao (看热闹) is a huge thing in China, mostly attributable to China’s attitudes toward aggression/acting out in public, as well as the lowering of the privacy bar. If there’s something novel and interesting going on, everybody wants a piece of the action.

              Novelty is the default attitude toward foreigners over here. That’s just how you are, you’re always 老外 no matter how non-老外 you are. And so that chance to get involved with Novelty makes a person feel special. S’the same reason some people think things are “exotic” – You The Foreigner are an Exotic, and are therefore always going to be an outsider.

              Yes, people band together against percieved outsiders – that happens in every country (see also: racism, bigotry, genocide, etc). China has no monopoly on this kind of behavior, and it’s reather ridiculous to suggest so.

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              >Yes, people band together against percieved outsiders – that happens in every country

              You’re being disingenuous here, not in as overt and aggressive a way as they do in China when the issue of say, a Chinese thief being taken to task by a Westerner comes up.

            • Probotector

              You are dismissing his argument with liberal double talk. You’re just taking something and calling it something else

              “it’s not bigotry, it’s novelty”

              “it’s not asian mentality, its mob mentality”

              That’s just nonsense, and evidence that you’re not facing up to the truth. “Chinese male insecurity” is right, this doesn’t happen in the west, unless it’s a particular racist group with an agenda that’s doing it because that’s all they do, i.e. KKK, EDL etc

              However, your average joe-six-pack white guy isn’t going to give two shits if an altercation breaks out between another white guy and a non-white person, let alone arbitrarily jump to their defence because “we are the same skin”. Chinese on the other hand do this, and with relishing fervor and brutality:

            • http://www.churchofsatan.com/ Donald_Pleasance

              Excellent link, saw it many times. A great post sir!!!!

            • Probotector

              You’re welcome.

            • Riddler

              Sorry to intrude on this but even the leader of EDL has started some serious introspection and is reaching out to those he previously hated. This is it with the west, we have our issues but always work to resolve them and do resolve them. I have detailed this in some of the posts here. Where are the anti-racism laws here in china?

              Ok, ok man, stop laughing rolling the floor…

            • Probotector

              I know the EDL was a bad example, but it’s the closet one I could think of.

            • Riddler

              No no, good example. Their grievances have substance but their manner and targets upon which they vent their wrath is misguided. I think Robinson may well set an example. Extremism from both sides, any side, is not a solution and never will be. Just hope we don’t see a chinese variety of EDL.

            • Yorgos

              China has no monopoly on it, nor Korea. But they seem to excel at officially instructing their youth on it. They are permanently at the stage of 1910’s North America. Or worse.

            • aggro

              yes he’s seen it with his own eyes so It must only be true about chinese people and not non-chinese. derp

            • Probotector

              No it actually is

            • http://www.churchofsatan.com/ Donald_Pleasance

              I never believe people who term themselves consultants in Asia, not any more. It’s not like you can study for a degree in…consulting.

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              Consulting just depends on the industry right? I mean, a software consultant usually has to have a background in programming or whatever.

              Most jobs aren’t degree specific outside of things like engineering. My degree is completely unrelated to what I do (I work in shipping operations).

            • http://www.churchofsatan.com/ Donald_Pleasance

              True, but I have met far more braggards (especially in Zhejiang province!) who claim to be automotive consultants or in the textile business, when really they are just layabouts and rogues. A good post though my man.

            • Riddler

              “Incorrect. I’ve seen it happen with my own eyes, a dispute between a Chinese and a foreigner always winds up with other Chinese getting involved on their countryman’s side, even people who have no fucking idea what the argument is about”

              Mostly but not always. I have had on countless occasions, local chinese come to my assistance without knowing what was going on. I know what you are saying but it doesn’t always happen.

              Man we need to move beyond this hate, all of us.

            • Riddler

              I agree to some of your points but have you seen Wanchai at night with all those banksters messing with teenage girls? They need a damn good thrashing. I would love to join in if i weren’t anti violence.

            • manofearth

              lil white trash wannbe – telling racist blurbs online – white trash security i assume…. ^^

            • disqus_0ngJTpA5hf

              You are the most american person I’ve ever seen: You’re rude, racist, a compulsive liar, deluded and a nationalistic baffoon. If you get invaded then you have it coming.

              Clearly the ‘victim’ in HK was you, as the self-entitled yankee pr*ck that you are you were yelling racist sh*t. Oh right americans are the kings of doublestandards, you are too supid and evil to see your folly. Pathetic.

          • mr.wiener

            I’m sticking close to you where the crazy ain’t. I’ll admit to having a hard-on for history, but this comparing of historical massacres dicky waving has got me scared.

          • Probotector

            Okay, then Chinese are an incredibly ‘emotional’ people.

        • takasar1

          however many mountains of skulls they left it pales in comparison to the imperialistic europeans. lol, they are coming for you man. their coming to take your jobs, women, food, culture. be afraid!!!

          • Asian Male Insecurity

            >however many mountains of skulls they left it pales in comparison to the imperialistic europeans

            That’s doubtful. The Baoyue don’t actually exist anymore. The punitive campaigns of the Qing in Vietnam and elsewhere cost millions of lives. You’re also unlikely to find a single Taiwanese Chinese who gives two fucks about what his people did to the Austronesians, which, by the way, was so cruel that contemporary traders reported the Austronesians as begging them to “let the Dutch come back”.
            And why wouldn’t they? You’d rather live in our countries than your own, where even salaried professionals live miserable lives in tiny little boxes.

            By the way, why did Sun Yat Sen claim the borders of the Qing Dynasty as the borders of the Chinese Republic if the Qing were illegitimate Manchurian barbarians?

            • TheSOP

              Yea, these fenqing sanlu drinking keyboard warrriors dont even know their own Chinese history, only a revisionist version completely divorced from reality. China has enough blood on its hands, both Chinese and others, that it really shouldnt open its mouth about imperialism, colonialism, or genocide without first acknowledging its own extremely blood and aggressive history. Luckily Westerners and other Asians will maintain the real Chinese history until they are mature enough to look at reality.

            • Robert Rou

              I trust history in the hands of Michelle Malkin, Ann Coulter, and….. you!

            • mr.wiener

              Does this mean I should trust Yang Rui and that big fat descendant of Confusius for their take on Chinese history?

            • Robert Rou

              Is there a Yang Rui that is a big fat descendant of Confucius that I don’t know about?

              http://p2.img.cctvpic.com/program//dialogue/20130208/images/1360285138431_1360285138431_r.jpg

            • mr.wiener

              Sanlu read as question as above.

            • takasar1

              please, no one is talking about sun yat sen, stop constructing pointless arguments. also, no one said the chinese are ‘innocent’, it is simply a question of scale. from the empire of rome to religious feuds and killings to the countless petty wars that plagued europe (thirty years, napoleonic etc )to imperial conquests reaching from australia to south africa to india to canada, to slavery. think of the millions killed in world war 1 (a war begun largely due to imperialistic tensions). there is no comparison. you could stretch chinese history back as far as 4000 years and you would still find less total bloodshed than in europe/caused by europe over the last 2000 years. the size and scale cannot be compared. besides, who cares about ‘your countries’ ? (i could be white for all you know), simple, those who live in poor countries and want a taste of what they perceive to be ‘the better life’.

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              Actually, the bloodiest pre-industrial conflicts are nearly all Chinese (An Lushan rebellion anyone?). China has enjoyed more periods of internal peace, but that’s because the area called China was dominated by a regional hegemon for longer periods than Europe was.

              Did Whites conquer more in terms of geographical extent? Yes. But that’s a difference of degree engendered by technology, not kind. Nor does it have anything to do with some kind of moral difference.

              The argument isn’t pointless. I’ve always been curious. Why claim the borders, acquired through imperialism, of the polity you claim as your oppressors?

            • TheSOP

              Actually by geographical extent Asians are the largest imperialists in the history of mankind under one single political entity: the Mongol Empire. Of course posters like the one you are debating rarely know much about Asian or Chinese history despite their ethnic/national background.

              The Mongol Empire (Mongolian: listen (help·info) Mongol-yn Ezent Güren; Cyrillic: Монголын эзэнт гүрэн, in Russian chronicles also Horde – Russian: Орда) existed during the 13th and 14th centuries, and was the largest contiguous land empire in human history.[1] Beginning in the Central Asian steppes, it eventually stretched from Eastern Europe to the Sea of Japan, covering large parts of Siberia in the north and extending southward into Southeast Asia, the Indian subcontinent, the Iranian plateau, and the Middle East.

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              Good point. Also by far the most brutal, more or less set the Arab world (another group of considerable imperialists) on a death spiral after the sack of Baghdad from which they would never recover.

            • TheSOP

              Yea I think the Europeans were pretty brutal but I dont think they went around impaling whole villages of men women and children collectively on giant spikes. In fact in the Americas small pox killed off a majority of the locals before they ever saw a white man.

            • ASD

              Actually, Europeans did go around impaling villages on spikes…VLAD THE IMPALER is famous for doing that. The crusaders also did that during their first conquest of jerusalem.

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              Vlad impaled an _invading_ Turkish _army_ (emphasis mine, obv) on pikes. Not “villages”.

            • Thor

              Vlad impaled a few Turkish prisoners and mostly HIS OWN people, randomly caught by his soldiers. Then the bigger Turkish army came, fell across a land filled with thousands of dying impaled men, women and children absolutely everywhere, shat on their pants at the sight and rushed back home. Impaling was both a weapon of mass destruction and dissuasion. (Some historians considered Vlad’s obsession with impaling as being developped after him having to suffer sexual abuse by the Turks when his was sent in jail by them when he was 12.)

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              Turkish apologist historiography, the same kind that paints the Ottoman Empire as some tolerant and benign force whilst demonizing the Europeans who fought to be free from the Turk yoke.

            • Robert Rou

              “In fact in the Americas small pox killed off a majority of the locals before they ever saw a white man.”

              Revisionist history at its best. What an embarrassment.

            • Robert Rou

              “Actually by geographical extent Asians are the largest imperialists in the history of mankind”

              Yes of course. That is if you even know what geography means. We all know that the sun never sets on… oh shat, fuck it.

            • TheSOP

              You dont know Asian history since you are just another insecure ignorant racist CCP bot so go on over to Wikipedia if you need:

              The Mongol Empire (Mongolian: listen (help·info) Mongol-yn Ezent Güren; Cyrillic: Монголын эзэнт гүрэн, in Russian chronicles also Horde – Russian: Орда) existed during the 13th and 14th centuries, and was the largest contiguous land empire in human history.[1] Beginning in the Central Asian steppes, it eventually stretched from Eastern Europe to the Sea of Japan, covering large parts of Siberia in the north and extending southward into Southeast Asia, the Indian subcontinent, the Iranian plateau, and the Middle East.

            • that dude

              Did you just quote wiki?…………….

            • TheSOP

              Have reading comprehension issues? Sanlu bot

            • takasar1

              i dont know why we’re arguing about this. the simple fact is that europe has inflicted a greater body-count upon the world. not the chinese. firstly, i dont know where you got your figures from (i hazard to guess that the wang mang rebellion/ an lushan rebellion pale in comparison to the blood-letting brought about by rome) and secondly, my point was that overall, the europeans have spilt more blood than the chinese, it isnt even about geography, take a good long look at the holocaust, or maybe hitler was black instead of white? as for the last point, how should i know? i’m not chinese but i’m guessing they are doing it because a) the western regions are especially energy-rich and b) they can use the japanese as scapegoats in times of economic malaise. anyhow, this is a pointless argument, you wont shift from your viewpoint and neither will i, lets call it quits.

            • jin

              let these hypocrits think what they want.

            • Probotector

              You too then.

            • jin

              I know what the china did in the past, i know what they did and I know its wrong, yet you and your buttbuddies keeps on saying how bad china is, what Mao did, looking down on the chinese, insulting the chinese. grow up and move on.

            • Probotector

              That’s because China won’t admit it. Why don’t they grow up and move on?

            • Elijah

              Not sure how to bring up the big elephant in the room, but Mao took out 50-75 MILLION people in the span of 3 decades… That’s unthinkable and also marks the largest death toll in human history. The entirety of Rome couldn’t have killed that many if every single Roman had a sword and barbarian bloodlust…

            • takasar1

              in this instance i am quite sure s/he was referring to the pre-industrial age. besides, neither of us mentioned natural/man-made disasters. it wouldnt help the point each of us was trying to make

            • Elijah

              What point is there of limiting references to pre-industrial times? That’s like having a house and demanding that people only judge certain rooms without seeing the basement or attic or kitchen etc.

              Even during pre-industrial ages, china had a bloody past, so really makes no difference when you look.

            • takasar1

              s/he limited it to the pre-industrial era. not me. i agree with that of course, one simply has to look at a dynastic history book to see the sense in that argument but i’m merely making the statement that europeans/westerners dont really have a moral high ground to stand on in this case since they are probably the only ones who can match/exceed the death toll suffered/inflicted by the chinese

            • TheSOP

              1959 was not preindustrial era Maoist apologist. You lost just admit it and run along home.

            • takasar1

              You seem to enjoy embarrassing yourself. Go back and re-read the previous comments, yank (we can go back to pointless name-calling if you want), we were arguing about pre-industrial incidents/events, mao’s idiocy does not fall under that category. Why else do you think I am arguing Rome when I could be arguing WW1?? lost? i havent lost, on the contrary, you ARE lost

            • Robert Rou

              Leave TheSOP for me. I plan to take this shithead KKK white supremacist to school, so he can continue to embarrass himself.

              TheSOP, this is for you: Which Chinese national leader actually had STDs?

              After all that shit you’ve been writing about Mao, I wouldn’t want you to be acting the fool now, eh?

            • TheSOP

              Mao, STD infested and a pedophile, as per the words of his personal physician. Perhaps you are more in the know than that man, haha?

            • Probotector

              If the SOP is a “shithead KKK white supremacist “, you’re not one to talk, because you’re just as racist as he is.

            • David

              Even the entire sack/destruction of Carthage killed less than a million (with another 250,000 taken as slaves).

            • takasar1

              yes but we’re not only talking about the sack of carthage, add on the on the subjugation of gaul, the byzantine re-conquest of italy and the religious atrocities that took place and you end up with a similar number

            • Germandude

              Demography of the Roman Empire

              Total Empire 56.8
              European part 31.6
              Asian part 14.0
              North African part 11.2

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_demography#Demography_of_the_Roman_Empire

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              How was the Byzantine re-conquest of Italy particularly bloody in any way? Belisarius is considered one of the greatest generals of all time precisely because he handled the conquest so deftly, same with Narses, too bad successive governors fucked it up.

            • http://www.churchofsatan.com/ Donald_Pleasance

              Well said, yet he is still considered a hero above say lei feng. The mind boggles!!!

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              Dude, the An Lushan rebellion killed millions upon millions, it was worth ten Punic Wars alone. But yes, Confucianism breeds stability when done right, it has its positives, nobody would deny that. Modern day China and South Korea are perversions of Confucianism though.

            • takasar1

              we’re not talking about confucianism. honestly, myself and far more prominent individuals seem to disagree with these numbers. During a 7-8 year
              conflict the chinese population shrunk from 52 million to 16 million? How this is even sustainable or possible is beyond me. If this had truly happened then the country would have collapsed seeing as it was pressured on all sides. Besides, these figures come from tax authorities of the time, couldn’t it just be that the tax system was broken down so badly that insufficient data was collected. On the other hand, even the chinese don’t really believe ‘official data’ (guess some things never change), these ‘histories’ written by sima qian and his do-gooder intellectual descendants seem to be nothing more to me than a thinly veiled attempt at pandering to the new regime by discrediting the former. More-so, the figures are so exaggerated it beggars belief. Apparently in the Sui-Korean war (forgot the specific kingdom name) the Sui lost hundred’s of thousands of men, all of whom were recruited from a specific province, a province which, according to taxation records a decade prior had less than 500000 people living in it. I admit that the same irregularities can be observed when assessing the impact of the roman conflicts; all in all, it is almost impossible to accurately judge casualty figures from the pre-industrial age, we merely have to resort to giving ball-park figures.

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              Most deaths in the An Lushan rebellion were from famine. You have to remember China has always been populated to barest subsistence levels more or less, the slightest upset to the food supply and bam, millions starve to death.

            • takasar1

              Well, yes of course famine played a huge role but a primary
              reason for the famine most likely was the pillaging and rampaging on villages and towns by millions of soldiers. According to keay (the only person I can immediately quote on this) the real population drop was around 10-20 million (he is a skeptic) and any further discrepancies can be explained by the fact that the tax system (the only reliable method used to measure population size) was destroyed at the end of the period. He also goes on to say that the tax office reported a ‘gain’ of 30 million 50 years later, an impossible feat in a subsistence based society.

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              Yes, of course, the higher end estimates are off, but it still dwarfs Roman conflicts (say, the Second Punic War).

            • takasar1

              yes, it does dwarf the punic wars, but add on the subjugation of gaul, religious atrocities and the movement east and we find ourselves in roughly the same ball-park. additionally, before we continue, tell me this: in this discussion, do general disasters/famines count or only those caused by war?

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              >the simple fact is that europe has inflicted a greater body-count upon the world. not the chinese.

              How are you aggregating this out? Are you including more fratricidal conflicts such as European vs. European?

            • takasar1

              My methods are reflective of your own methods (or at least
              what I think them to be), if you are including chinese-chinese conflicts then I am also including European-european conflicts. It also depends on what you class as ‘chinese’, only han? Or other sino-ethnicities. It also depends on whether or not we are including disasters caused by war/conflict (death of millions of Aztecs/natives by disease or death of millions of peasants as a result of famine in the aftermath of the an lushan rebellion). anyway, can we stop now? we can continue tomorrow but i have assignments i need to tackle today

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              The Amerindian death count is grossly inflated, given your skepticism towards An Lushan numbers, I’d expecft you to be similarly skeptical towards absurd claims of “tens of millions” of dead Amerinds.

            • Kai

              Forget arguing about this on scale. Each “side” will always have a way to argue the other side is “worse”. The only way you’ll get agreement is on criticizing the acts themselves, which is what is important.

            • ASD

              Are you comparing genocide body count? Europeans have you beat by a good margin.

            • mr.wiener

              What the f*ck do the Taiwanese, Uncle Sun. Thre boundaries of the Qing Dynasty and illegimate Manchurians have to do with this?

          • chosan
        • Jack

          Does someone actually get the crazy pointlessness of these discussions? I’ve seen it a couple of times on Chinasmack that people quickly start flaming over which wars were the most disastrous, which nations killed the most and whether Chinese history is bloodier than the European or American one or not.

          Seriously, if someone ever creates the top 100 of most stupid comments posted online, chances are good that have of the comments in this threat make it in the upper third of the list.

          Throwing in random names of historic villains will neither convince anybody, nor will it contribute to fruitful dialogue and to building bridges between our cultures.

        • Riddler

          “If they were required to turn on you at a moment’s notice, kill you, kill your families, burn your houses/apartments down, they’d do it without any hesitation”.

          That could be said for many societies. Serbia/Bosnia for example. And the way things are headed, any muslim group in western cities. They are the new Jews.

        • Riddler

          While I see where you are coming from, it begs the question as to how many skulls, raped women, children were left behind in Iraq?

        • Strong Asians

          Hi Insecure person,

          May I ask which nationality you have? It seems you are very anti-Chinese. So I guess you are a Japanese with a little brother, always unsecure if you can satisfy a girl. We, not-Japanese Asians are very confident. We don’t need to invade other countries and rape women of other nations to prove we are men. Please make yourself known. No more crap about other asians, please.

          Thank you

          Note: please don’t confuse polite with inferior, we are not from a tiny island who need to sell our women for American protection

          • TheSOP

            We “not Japanese Asians” read = “I am a racist”. go ahead and shut your yapper

      • Guest

        It’s funny you said that. As I went over the survey answers I kept thinking, “Where’s the ‘It’s Jimmy Kimmel?’ option?”

      • wacky

        the problem is not about the comedy itself, imagine if the same thing is said by a chinese kid then your first comment would be “this is the result of long time government propaganda” or any other similar shits. now that the american kid said this can i say that this is the result of long term anti chinese propaganda in the US media?????

      • Jimmy OUT

        Not true about “hundreds of Chinese programs skits that call for the death of foreigners”. I personally, and the nation collectively hate Japan A LOT for what Japan has done to us in the past. But we know well that is not to all the Japanese, and we are decent enough not to air hatred on television.

        With only 300 years of history. You got a lot to learn. First, show some respect.

        Chinese is under the influence of Buddhism and Confucius. The “not care” comes from the wisdom that “fame, fortune, power” are all temporary. Instead of spending time worried about someone playing joke on me, I’d rather take the time to improve myself spiritually. Respect LIFE. You laugh about my height, my size, my skin color…. Well, it is all in your head. None of what you say will disgrace me. you know why we are so angry this time? You had no respect for life. You think life is something you can give or take. Chinese is alive under your mercy. Should we thank you for that?!

        I have limited quota for dealing with stupidity. This is the last comment I am gonna reply today.

        • Probotector

          “I personally, and the nation collectively hate Japan A LOT for what Japan has done to us in the past. But we know well that is not to all the Japanese, and we are decent enough not to air hatred on television.”

          Well that’s a contradiction, and the last bit is simply wrong. Wartime propaganda in the form of TV series ware omnipresent on Chinese TV, indoctrination the youth to hate japan and allowing the aged to wallow in their hate.

          China has no respect for any other nation, race, or human life. Perhaps it’s you who should learn respect first before espousing your nationalist victimhood garbage online.

          300 years of history? Who are you talking about?

          Get back to me tomorrow then.

      • OmgwtfBbqstfu

        Main thing is that it seems some chinese people don’t understand that media is independent in other countries. They act like this was government propaganda, that it was done on purpose. When the only purpose of jimmys comedy bits is to reveal human ignorance and stupidity by prompting normal people to talk about things they don’t know about, or to catch them in lies, or to get children to say stupid things. Basically he makes fun of americans, the culture, and the media every weekday in america, not something a chinese show host would have the freedom to do in their own country. The only thing revealed about this incident is how humorless and narrow minded many chinese people are.

    • mr.wiener

      This was a piss-take satirizing the American right wing.

    • Dconn

      The show should apologize definitely ..but the kid didn’t know what he was saying. He was being a kid. Kimmel should have corrected the CHILD. key word “Child”.

      • 用开水烫我!

        your right!
        kid said that but he should educate the kid instantly. unless he wants to be famous. these media persons are fame diggers!

        • Don’t Believe the Hype

          He is not going to be more famous either way, not everything is about China

        • Probotector

          …and yet, Chinese people don’t ‘educate’ their kids when they say they hate Japan and want to kill the Japanese. Hell, you said it the other day yourself!

          “用开水烫我! • 8 days ago
          do not tell me some jap did that to her!!!!!!!!!!
          fucking jap, should kill all of them to sacrifice our state and flag!”

          I guess it doesn’t count when the Chinese do it, huh?

          • takasar1

            the point is that our kids should be properly educated in a way which allows them to live in a modern cosmopolitan world. does it really matter about what other kids are doing…

            • Probotector

              So you’re saying it’s okay for people to teach their kids to hate other nations/races, as long as they’re not Western people?

            • takasar1

              stop making assumptions. why care what others think (i know this sounds quite stupid since both of us are wasting time reading the messages of chinese people who couldnt give a sh*t whether we existed or not) when only you and your family should matter?

            • whuddyasack

              That hate Japan excuse has been overplayed. First of, Chinese and Japanese are the same race. Secondly, like people from either nation talks about killing citizens from the other. Keyword: citizens.

              I’ve only heard about the “wipe out all Japanese” from the mouths of westerners anyway. Their penchant for bullshit seems to be as wide as their huge gut.

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              >I’ve only heard about the “wipe out all Japanese” from the mouths of westerners anyway.

              You obviously speak zero Putonghua.

            • whuddyasack

              No actually I do. And when it comes down to it, it’s ONLY the Westerners talking about this dead set hatred. We all know how well you ill-mannered people behaved during the Japanese earthquakes with your karma nonsense. For all to see.

              “Kill everyone in China” is actually in your face, in this article. While “wipe out Japanese” comes from you.

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              You’re comparing apples and oranges, those idiotic westerners who made comments about the Japanese earthquake were exposed by _other westerners_ and were shamed by _other westerners_.

              Do you think a comparable shaming of anti-Japanese, anti-Western genocidal rhetoric would happen amongst mainland Chinese?

            • whuddyasack

              Not really. I’m expressing the need to not throw stones when living in glass houses.

              Firstly, there is no anti-Japanese, anti-Western “genocidal” rhetoric, especially not the latter. Notice I said “genocidal”, that’s because Chinese don’t typically go out of our way to say kill all Japanese/Americans including the civilians. In fact, I’ve never heard a case for the latter. And if there were such comments, they’d be heavily criticized within reason. You can read some of those netizen comments on related topics about anti-Japanism for yourself. There were also many blogs at the time condemning the violent riots (where not a single Japanese was killed) while it’s all to easy to overlook the Stockholm Riots. Ironic given both Swedes and the Muslims are practically the same race, and unlike the Japanese and the Chinese, you aren’t bombarded with biased media around the world highlighting only the negative aspects of your relationship.

              You won’t find a single Chinese program where a 5 year old says we should kill all Japanese/American(since this is more relevant) nationality, to the delight of the hosts. You won’t find a Japanese program just as tasteless. Civilized people would be outrightly shocked by the rancor, and that’s exactly what Chinese and Japanese would do.

              But seeing the comments actually defending Kimmel (while adding fuel to the fire at the same time), that’s rather deplorable.

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              >Notice I said “genocidal”, that’s because Chinese don’t typically go out of our way to say kill all Japanese/Americans including the civilians.

              Uh, yes you do. Unless “xiao riben” somehow refers to “those with direct culpability and liability for the Pacific War”.

              >Ironic given both Swedes and the Muslims are practically the same race

              In the same way SE Asians and NE Asians are, yes. Otherwise, no.

              >Civilized people would be outrightly shocked by the rancor

              Civilized people do not beat their compatriots into comas for driving toyotas. They do not burn down factories and other sources of livelihood for their own compatriots because they happen to be run by Japanese conglomerates. Civilized people do not shit on the street, do not constantly push and spit everywhere, do not refer to their own compatriots as “dogs” because they happen to be more mildly disposed to the official enemy.

              Want me to go on?

            • whuddyasack

              >Notice I said “genocidal”

              Read this again. Carefully. Xiao Riben means little Japanese. Yes, it’s offensive but it’s not genocidal and not the same as a 5 year old exclaiming “we should kill all Japanese” on TV.

              >In the same way SE Asians and NE Asians are, yes.

              Perhaps, but I’d say it’s more like the same way Greeks and Italians are the same as Lebanese and North Africans.

              >Civilized people do not piss and shit on the street and spit everywhere

              Good call. I’ve actually seen videos and real life incidents of White people doing the same thing. But I’m not rude enough to generalize or film them.Which brings us to another point, civilized people know better than to generalize others.

              >Want me to go on?

              Let me help you.

              Civilized people do not go up to POC’s events and start shooting them up.
              Civilized people don’t murder each other and plead “I was drunk” as an excuse.

              Civilized people don’t call their fellow citizens “rednecks”, third worlders, chugs, crackers, chinks, nips, zips without even knowing them.

              They do not burn stores and schools of fellow citizens for being a different color or practicing a different religion.
              Civilized people do not go up to some random minorities cars and vandalize their cars with “Revenge for Pearl Harbour, USA!” or “Karma for …”
              They do not beat up and murder tourists East Asian for fun, including Chinese, Japanese or Korean.

              Civilized people know when to shut their mouths when something is so obviously incorrect as to suggest genocide.
              Civilized people do not riot and kill each other over sport.

              Civilized people do not work as teachers in foreign countries and rape students, then have civilized buddies from said civilized country defend them.

              Civilized people can respect life and sensibilities of others, never mocking the plight of others nor wishing the deaths of innocent civilians.

              I guess that last criteria is shared by the Chinese and the Japanese, but obviously not by most Europeans. So let’s agree to disagree and leave it at that.

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              >Good call. I’ve actually seen videos and real life incidents of White people doing the same thing.

              Again, you haven’t been to China if you actually believe that the scale with which this happens in the West is anywhere near comparable.

              And once again, the rest of your post is just an emotive rant with no content behind it, so much for that “calm and collected Confucian mentality”, lmao.

              >They do not burn stores and schools of fellow citizens for being a different color or practicing a different religion.

              Perhaps you could tell your compatriots in Urumqi and Lhasa this.

            • whuddyasack

              >you haven’t been to China if you actually believe that the scale with which this happens in the West is anywhere near comparable.

              Assumption is the mother of all screw ups.

              It’s clear you’ve never been to China or any East Asian nation. I recently spoke to some Swiss friends who travelled to China if they experienced the anti-foreigner rudeness and unsurprisingly, they said it was a G-R-E-A-T experience. Which was also my experience and how I can flush out the have nots from the haves.

              Meanwhile you forget that I live in a Western country, and see thousands of Westerners everyday to know what this is all about and that things like spitting, pissing on roads is quite common. Particularly in rural areas which are “White” majority.

              In this same country, EVERYONE assumes that Asians are much more well behaved than other races, the statistics speaking for themselves. White people flee from teaching rural areas to teach Asian kids (mainly Chinese) because the Chinese kids “have manners” lol. But I say never blame the kids, blame the spitting, hacking, cussing and forever fighting “adults” there.

              Of course, we see this here too, with the “Kill everyone in China” rhetoric lauded by the adult, and defended by our super-bitter, anti-Azn uber Eurat here hahaha.

              >just an emotive rant with no content behind it, so much for that “calm and collected Confucian mentality”

              Projecting are we? I admit my hackle raising manhandling might seem UnConfucian, but I’m as calm and collected as can be. Well, it’s hard not to derive amusement from such a SWAM (Single White and Angry Man).

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              >It’s clear you’ve never been to China or any East Asian nation.

              I lived and worked in Singapore. I’ve been to Hong Kong 6 times and to the mainland (mostly Guangzhou but Shanghai, Beijing, Xiamen and elsewhere too) multiple times. I also speak functional Putonghua and can read Chinese, which is more than can be said for you since I know for a fact you speak and read fuck all Chinese of any description.

              >I
              recently spoke to some Swiss friends who travelled to China if they
              experienced the anti-foreigner rudeness and unsurprisingly,

              Haha, yes of course. Your group of friends is totally international enough to include some convenient “group of Swiss who just traveled to China”. Rambling Chinese-American racial chauvinists who have spent the past 6 or 7 years on various discussion boards arguing China’s case for X, Y and Z whilst referring to everyone who disagrees as Western dogs are well known for the diversity of their friends. Indeed, they’re highly popular individuals!

              >and that things like spitting, pissing on roads is quite common

              Pissing on the roads is quite common? Where exactly? Your imagination? Because as far as I’m aware Western retailers do not sell children’s clothes which purposefully expose the child’s genitals for public shitting and pissing.

              Also, only somebody who has never traveled to mainland China could possibly believe the spitting problem is as bad here as it is there. That or you are quite simply delusional to an extreme. The gutteral sound of Chinese bringing up phlegm to spit out is a part of the background noise you accustom yourself to.

            • whuddyasack

              >Your group of friends is totally international enough to include some convenient “group of Swiss who just traveled to China”.

              They say nothing is more embarrassing then a mouth foaming rambler trying to psychoanalyze another netizen’s personal life “incorrectly”. This is one of those sit back and laugh moments.

              >Your group of friends is totally international enough to include some convenient “group of Swiss who just traveled to China”

              Of course my friends are “international” enough. Which Western college doesn’t have an influx of international students?

              The point is I can be misunderstood, but I don’t lie.

              Speaking with my Swiss friends was relatively recent, sometime in July, way before you showed up with your desecrated buttocks hurting. The point of bringing them up was because it just crossed my mind how greatly exaggerated your non-points were, and how should I put it, you make it very obvious you aren’t who you purport to be. In fact, ALL your points have been the same projected vitriol smeared onto every English-speaking website by jingoistic pimple heads. Look at your user name.

              The fact is them stating that most Chinese don’t spit or shit in the streets, and that the big cities are much cleaner than is often broadcasted in the West is closer to the reality I know. I visit there every year. I also do catch up on blogs and postings from actual Chinese, not White posers, which is why I know Chinese netizens are definitely NOT as lop-sided as you’re trying to make and definitely NOT as drone-minded as most uber Eurats here, including you.

              Your pathetic attempts at loaded language reflects on yourself. Pathetic lolol.

              Which makes this:

              >I lived and worked blah blah blah…

              Hilariously convenient. So do spare us those fantastic anecdotes of “gutteral sounds” and phlegm from your unsound mind. I’m kind of worried you’ll pop soon tbh.

              Now if you do want me to show you examples of “uncivilized behavior” in a Western country (as if YT wasn’t enough), let me know. I’ll take you to that factory town where people spit, puke, piss, shove and cuss. Possibly at you.

              Finally, your whole whiny “way-cyst” (because it’s anti-White to use the word racist rofl) rant can be refuted in so many ways it isn’t funny. I ain’t Chinese-American “racial chauvinists” since I never said Chinese were the best. I don’t see myself that different from Koreans, Japanese, etc. It’s just impossible not to see your neckbeard ni-gger (Ni for Nihon, gger for wannabe) ramblings as inferior. You’re one to talk, aren’t you? Wacist White Nationalist Supremacist living in self-doubt?

              P.S. You’ve got the wrong guy, I’ve never used “Western dogs” in all my life. And yes, I consider myself rather popular but based on your paranoid obsession with that ISN chap, I think the same can’t be said of you.

            • Probotector

              I wonder, are you, “white cotton panties”, “manoftheearth”, “wacky” and “stephan xu” all in an internet cafe somewhere wacking each other off to how great you are because you think you’ve put all of us white/black guys in our place, or are you all lined up getting hand jobs from eattot between rounds of World of Warcraft?

            • manofearth

              hrhrhr sooo cute this lil retard from the “west” … u still need some more now? again? poor lil thingy from the “west”… ; )

            • whuddyasack

              Thing is 5 of us aren’t exactly jumping in unison and attacking the same person, the same way many Chinese here take on 5 people at the same time. Besides, I think Stephan Xu is alright, he has his opinions but isn’t pulling the nasty and failing.

              Myself? I don’t know, I was only defending the Chinese from 3 guys. Considering how so many heads can’t even come up with a good anything, I don’t think it’s something to be proud of.

            • Probotector

              “Considering how so many heads can’t even come up with a good anything, I don’t think it’s something to be proud of.”

              Well that’s just your narrow opinion, which is basically: anything someone says that you don’t agree with is ignorance, and to be dismissed. It must be wonderful living in a world where you can pick and choose what is reality and what isn’t, based on whether you like it or not.

            • whuddyasack

              The bottom line was the response to the “Kill Everyone in China” was opprobrious. There’s no other way around it.

              Which is why arguing with me quickly degraded into diverging, pretending, projecting, superficiality, blame pining and false claims, and those weren’t even on my end. Nothing beats the accusations of wacism and sanlu drinking though.

              Perhaps I should apologize for failing to accept the differences in sensibilities and norms of others? To my knowledge, only primitive people of the world defend genocidal remarks on TV.

            • Probotector

              No one’s defending what this kid said. At most, they’re saying it’s a joke and it shouldn’t be taken seriously, or that it’s just dumb words from a dumb kid. Personally, I don’t think it was appropriate, and it’s not funny if it was only a joke, and if it was just dumb words from a dumb kid, then he should have been raised better.

              The issue that most people have been arguing is that the inevitable Chinese backlash is hypocritical. This is because this case clearly runs parallel with China’s own hateful and (sometimes) genocidal rhetoric aimed at Japan, (and in some cases other countries) which is also (but not exclusively) espoused by brainwashed children of a similar age to this kid, and is done far more often. Moreover, Chinese propaganda and education clearly teaches Chinese people to hate Japan, and other countries.

            • whuddyasack

              I know you think it’s inappropriate, which is something I respect.

              Actually, I think most of the comments went beyond calling China out for hypocrisy. Many were clear insults and attempts to offend that were thrown at the Chinese. Whether those insults were effective or not are a different matter, the point is it was quite disgusting to use this article as ammunition to hate on the Chinese. The problem is such netizen attitudes aren’t a rarity, they have been quite common for a while. We can refer to how netizens reacted to the Asiana Crash, Boston Bombing and way back to 3/11, with that “Karma for Pearl Harbor” rancor.

              Sure, the backlash can be considered hypocritical but certainly there is another time and place for that. There’s

              The thing is no Chinese child would be allowed to air on TV preaching genocide. We know this is the general attitude of the Chinese, as one mother stated:

              “My anger is not at the kids, but their parents, and the host, and ABC, for they are ruining the kids. My daughter is 4 years old. If she says something like: kill all the blacks, or kill all the Jews, I would definitely have a serious talk with her, because that is not tolerable speech.”

              Now, as for Japan, I completely agree with you that genocidal remarks and hate speech against them should never be tolerated. Even though I’ve seen more remarks from westerners about “Chinese murderous speeches” than seen the actual comments themselves, I’d at least concede that is not right.

            • Robert Rou

              The odd thing about it is that ABC is typically one of the better news channels. It has a storied tradition, along with NBC, and CBS. It is just so out-of-character of them.

            • Riddler

              I’ve had similar thoughts myself. Whatever, they aren’t even worth it. Reading ‘manoftheearth’s comments was entertaining but they do not dignify a response, even a sarcastic one.

              They just don’t comprehend why, or how, people in the west would stand up for someone of a different colour, religion, origin. It is alient concept. Coming from a place where mostly, not always but mostly, people have an automated ‘protect my own’ attitude, regardless of who is right or wrong. This is why that ‘pussyoftheearth’ went down that cheap, lazy road to accuse me of having issues with my own colour.

              I grew up in an environment where my own family/friends would kick my ass if i ever wronged someone. Colour never played a part.

            • Probotector

              That’s just the way it is in a paranoid society that views everyone different as a threat.

            • Riddler

              True. What they don’t realise is you can’t be wrong and strong.

            • Kai

              You’re being dishonest. What do you lose by acknowledging that Chinese people have expressed anti-Japanese sentiments before, including those suggesting genocide? It doesn’t change the fact that Westerners have done it before too. Why defend a false position?

            • TheSOP

              Because he is a simple minded racist and false dichotomies and lies are what sustain his bigotry.

            • TheSOP

              You really dont know much about Japan or China, you are like a peasant, even a WAM like me knows vastly more about Asia than you do (or ever will). Coconut

            • whuddyasack

              My goodness SOP, just quit it already. Your knowledge includes biased snippets of propaganda, endless daydreams about Fenqing and an obsession with Sanlu.

            • whuddyasack

              I’m not brown, but maybe you are? Are you some sort of Hispanic by any chance?

              Secondly, I’m not the one to shoot silly nonfacts, fenqing, wild accusations and over obsess the evils of communism and Chairman Mao. I don’t think China is actually communist these days, maybe socialist?

              Also, clearly you’ve never even left downtown Alabama, have you? Because it’s clear as day you’ve never been to an East Asian country nor will you ever do.

            • Probotector

              Moron. So you’re saying the thoughts and actions of those around out can’t possibly affect you, as long as they aren’t your family? Bask in your ignorance then.

            • takasar1

              Explain when I said that fool? I simply said that we are
              responsible for our own children, we have the right to inject into them morals and ethics which we believe will prepare them for this world. Apologists are the most annoying, if you suck at parenting, its mainly your fault, not the fault of the environment.

            • Probotector

              You said “why care what others think when only you and your family should matter?”

              My point is that sometimes what others think affects you and therefore matters, and it’s moronic to think otherwise.

              I am actually not quite yet a parent, give it about six more months.

            • takasar1

              congratulations. well there is no doubt that the environment can impact children but it is up to us to ensure that our children have strong morals so that they are less likely to be affected by inflammatory opinions. in some extreme cases, kids can be ‘swept away’ from their parents by outside forces but the majority of the time we are directly responsible for them.

    • Roi

      Once again, this says more about Chinese netizens than anything.

      • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

        its say more about yanks who try to defend it.

        • TheSOP

          whats it say about you having to defend brain dead fenqings who think a 6 year old with a sugar high represents all Americans? ouch, you might wanna walk that one off.

          • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

            i shall go for a quick jog, san q.

        • mopedchi

          Holy crap. It’s not even about Chinese people. It’s satire directed at the Tea Party conservatives who some think behaved like children during the latest budget negotiation standoff. It just so happens that the Chinese government holds a lot of US debt, and “kill all Chinese” is a satirical portrayal of what a Tea Party conservative might say.

          Is political satire banned in China? Is this why People’s Daily continues to publish articles from The Onion as real news stories?!

          • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

            thank you for clearing that up.

      • whuddyasack

        No it doesn’t as MrC pointed out.

      • Kai

        If you’re referring to the translation of the article, survey, and comments, yeah, it should, that’s the point of cS! We just need to be mindful of the possibility that the survey and comments may have been manipulated.

    • Kai

      This poll and the comments really piss me off.

      The poll is a great example of leading questions and restricting response options to only those that support a chosen narrative. I know this happens elsewhere but it is really obnoxious in how shameless it is and unapologetically so.

      Likewise, I know that Phoenix Online is just one microcosm on the Chinese internet that doesn’t represent everyone in China, and that online “opinions” are often manipulated in China, but that many of these translated comments represent anyone’s opinion or desired public opinion is maddening.

      Granted, we see similarly ignorant views and distorted believes amongst the general public in other countries, but this sort of mind-numbing idiocy just infuriates me. The sheer self-righteous selective-memory of it all behind a coupling of overwhelming ignorance and the stupidity to voice it.

      If not that, then the utterly ham-fisted propaganda of whoever is responsible for this. What’s sad is that as obvious as this is to some, this shit actually works on some people, influencing them. I don’t even think this is so much populism as it is just sheer naked misrepresentation and dishonest America-bashing.

      I have to go stuff some food in my face and see if I can talk about the poll response options afterward without bashing my keyboard in.

      • mr.wiener

        True dat.
        Yang Rui is probably grinning his arse off.

        • the ace of books

          “Finally! Vindicated by a six-year-old! I can die happy now!”

      • Guest23

        Yeah, pretty rough, but seen lots of this online and in real life, people can be hypocrites, but then again a lot of people in certain nations can get a little too butthurt when they are in the receiving end of the hate they push towards one another.

      • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

        before you stuff food in your face, try not to think so much. I’d rather simplify it, we’re fucked as a species and there’s absolutely nothing you can do except try to change your own environment.

        Internet really helps to forget we are alive, and people is stupid enough to believe everything they hear or see… mostly when it comes from a screen.

        Chillax

        on the other hand I’d love to shut a whole bowl of 李先生牛肉面 in my face, right now. I miss China, at least they have a sense of unity, over here everyone’s hating each other.

        • Don’t Believe the Hype

          China has a sense of unity only on the screen, pretty easy to do when one person runs the whole place

        • the ace of books

          I miss China, at least they have a sense of unity

          …you’ve read the comments on here, right? And you’ve taken note when people say things like “fucking Henaners” or “those Hunan assholes” or “ugh I hate Shanghainese”, right?

          …right?

          • Probotector

            True, but unity is galvanised very quickly when the source of tension switches from a waidiren to a waiguoren.

        • Kai

          I upvoted you for the moral encouragement. After eating, I decided to drown in catching up on some TV shows.

          I’m guessing people downvoted you for the comment about “sense of unity”. I think most countries have a sense of unity while having groups within themselves that hate on each other. It’s all about the situation and what group association you find convenient to rationalize your actions and thoughts at the moment.

          I’m still working trying to fire up my mind to rant about how dishonest this poll is.

          • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

            Kai When I said “sense of unity” i really meant it. In the 5 years I spent in China I saw dualities were important most of the time: rich/poor, city/countryside, have an iphone/don’t have an iphone, single/married, real/fake. With my own eyes I never saw any Chinese taking part in different political, sportive or religious groups and confronting each other in public debate, or violence. I saw something once and I was very excited but police came and shut them off. These things happen in China but all in all when you walk the streets people is peaceful and nice, and it’s safe. unless they’re behind a driving wheel, of course, which turns them into honking blind lemmings with no sense of humanity.

            Yes china has a strange sense of unity to it, mostly when it’s again Japan or America. And it’s justified. They sing patriotic songs at the karaoke (lots of lmao)and they don’t fight over sports.

            Those polls should mean squat to me and anyone with a brain, including you. Behaviorists teach. I know, right?

            TMD !

      • Don’t Believe the Hype

        Unfortunately this happens in US too. Its infuriating but the smart ones should be able to shift through the bull

        • loki

          “smart ones” is something China is badly lacking…

          • jin

            thats why china turned into a super power in just a mere 30years right?

            • Elijah

              Superpower…

              Just going to let that one sit there.

              Massive debt and inflation, infrastructure that crumbles after a few years, corruption on an unheard of scale, second-hand soviet aircraft carrier, huge amounts of charity from other countries (mainly Japan) to aid development, decaying environment, unemployment skyrocketing, hundreds of thousands of mass protests each year. Should I continue?

            • jin

              massive debt? 744 billion you mean? how much does the US owe china again?

              corruption on an unheard of scale? http://www.transparency.org/cpi2012/results sure china is corrupt, but on an unheard of scale???

              China is still developing and is already worlds 2nd largest economy.

              how is it that “smart ones” is something China is badly lacking.” when it archive this much in 30years? something that no country in the world has done before?

            • Elijah

              Pretty easy to lift a country out of abject poverty when that abject poverty was almost entirely man-made…

              Deng XiaoPing was a genius right? Small problem though, Dengism seems remarkably similar to basic capitalism…

              Try recalculating that debt as a percentage of GDP and don’t forgot the billions of defaulted loans and hidden embezzlement ok?

              2nd largest GDP is an entirely meaningless statistic that’s only good for chest-beating. Any educated person would look at GDP per capita as a more realistic frame of how well off a country is.

              Lastly, the problem with bribery, nepotism and embezzlement being the norm rather than the oddity is that it’s rarely if ever reported. Just like SARS definitely didn’t start in china and for sure wasn’t covered up until it was too late…

              Yeah, point made I think.

            • Riddler

              USA owes china around 1.3 trillion. How much do your corrupt local governments owe the central bank of china?

              Somewhere to the tune of 23 trillion. Wake up sunshine. As soon as europe and america put their factories elsewhere, the rug will get pulled from under your feet. And back to obscurity you will go from whence you emerged.

            • jin

              Ah yes ofcourse, the moment they put their factories somewhere else…… when? I dont think that China will have a problem with that right now. http://www.treehugger.com/corporate-responsibility/100000-chinese-factories-closing-orders-off-regulations-up.html 5 years ago they closed enough factories and 5 years later China is still getting more economical power.

            • Riddler

              It has already started. Foxconn had plans to build their largest facilities in china but instead went to Brasil. Novartis were planning to build their regional HQ in china for africa/region but instead built in Turkey. Macbook Pro production has now been shifted back to USA. Fuji Electronics, Hitachi, Sony, are all in the process of moving to Thailand and Phillipines. The list goes on while you are blissfully unaware that the whole cutting corners attitude, along with persistent lying, blended with a rather unique brand of arrogance, has set off a trend of manufacturers spreading their interests.

              As another example, in the pharmaceutical sector, all medicine has a lifeline in regards to their respective licensing from the chinese equivalent of FDA. There has been over the years, immense illicit transfer of R&D by chinese staff working in western pharma companies to local generic manufacturers. Last year, chinese manufacturers, bolsted by government grants, local manufacturers, SURPRISE SURPRISE, began copying medicine but as with all things, messed up and exported fake medicine resulting in the deaths of hundreds worldwide.

              At the same time, the commie party, decides to crackdown on foreign companies accusing them of guess what? Corruption, bribery, sexual bribery and other ‘crimes’ which are standard in any and every business transaction in mainland china which if you are unaware of, you shouldn’t get involved in grown up discussions.

              No financial institute in the world believes chinese growth data, this has been reported often but of course you ignore those reports.

              I didn’t read your link. But you need to hug that tree real tight because a storm is headed your way. Wake up and smell the coffee. In your previous post, you, probably with a sense of gratification, mentioned America’s debt to china, even getting the figures wrong. What do you have to say regarding local governments in china, who owe your lovely party 23 trillion USD? A lot of those government officials a spending that money lavishly. Abroad. In my country. In many western countries.

              You are right about one thing though, they have done something no one has done in the space of 30 years. But they have done something no one should ever do in a lifetime. But thats your bubble. We hold the pin.

            • jin

              China is still the worlds 2nd economical power, we will see how it will turn out. thats my bubble? how is it MY bubble??? We = who??? the almighty white race?

            • Riddler

              Wrong.

          • mr.wiener

            Smart ones are lacking?
            No, slow and measured tread of the rational has been overtaken by the mad rush of the credulous…as demonstrated by both sides here today.
            I’m not worried however, such people tire easily.

      • the ace of books

        I was just going to comment on the poll but you beat me to it. The questions are clearly written by someone for whom You’re Either With Us Or Against Us — calling them “one-sided” is like calling the Pope “Catholic”. It’s a complete “well, duh.”

        I do have to say, it’s a gold-standard example of the type of inflammatory response that was created and broadcast around the Diaoyu Islands issue: you have. It’s also a reminder of some rather darker days 50 years ago: you have A, B, and C to choose from, and that is your choice. What? You don’t agree with A, B, or C? what are you, an enemy of the state?

        Super-nationalism is ugly no matter what country does it, but having such a shining exemplar in front of one does tend to sour in the mouth rather, and it’s because there’s always people who pick that. It’s the kick-in-the-gut emotionalism of it – it’s people thinking with their emotions, and not putting their brains into use. Because that’s what’s easy.

        Of course, you could hardly expect to have alternate viewpoints presented – that’d be allowing heretics into the church. (Congregatio de propaganda fide indeed.) And an open answer bar, where you do a write-in of your real thoughts? Well, hell, what’d’you think this is, a conversation?

      • chosan

        i would worry more about THE americans if i was muslim or mexican

        • TheSOP

          go drink some sanlu at the kids table, this is a bit too high level for you fenqing

          • chosan

            i’m just glad all yankee aggression is being vented at someone else instead:

            • TheSOP

              Yep, typical behavior of a sanlu drinker, link to something, anything about America doing something somewhere… anything other than talk about China. You borg are too predictable. Ok lets play the link game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzFmw3A3Rok

        • Riddler

          I would worry more about your current state of mind if I were you.

      • whuddyasack

        A good post.

        What’s worse is some csmackers have decided it’s cool to call themselves Asian Male Insecurity while flashing their own for all to see. The poll was biased, but this rubbish television shouldn’t have been aired.

        There’s quite a lot of defensiveness from the WAM (White American Male) Csmack community too. Funny how they bring up Japan when the Japanese have no part in this “White” garbage. It makes them look more deplorable than they already are, tbh.

        • TheSOP

          You seem so obsessed with WAMs, like in a homo-erotic way. Did one refute your advances? Break your little heart? Seriously becoming a bigoted racist which you most certainly are, is not the right response. You’ll find a nice WAM to settle down with one day lad, dont give up just yet.

      • Robert Rou

        “utterly ham-fisted propaganda”
        “sheer naked misrepresentation and dishonest America-bashing”

        Are you out of your mind? I’ve directed criticism at cS commentators before, but this comment is so staggeringly misguided that I can only conclude that you’re either a stooge of the highest order or that you simply haven’t done your homework.

        For you to condone such language and essentially greenlight rhetoric for such mass genocide, especially in light of China’s history in the last 200 years, would make even the most passionate supporter of Benedict Arnold proud.

        For comparison, I’d like to direct your attention to a time when China herself owed other nations a hefty sum (hint: no comedy pieces on mass genocide):

        “China was fined war reparations of 450,000,000 taels
        of fine silver (1 tael = 1.2 troy ounces) for the loss that it caused.
        The reparation was to be paid within 39 years, and would be 982,238,150
        taels with interest (4 percent per year) included. To help meet the
        payment it was agreed to increase the existing tariff from an actual
        3.18 percent to 5 percent, and to tax hitherto duty-free merchandise.
        The sum of reparation was estimated by the Chinese population (roughly
        450 million in 1900), to let each Chinese pay one tael. Chinese custom
        income and salt tax were enlisted as guarantee of the reparation. China
        paid 668,661,220 taels of silver from 1901 to 1939, equivalent in 2010
        to ~US$61 billion on a purchasing power parity basis”

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion

        • mr.wiener

          Did you even read the questionnaire?
          What in the name of Zeus’s hairy balls has the opium war got to do with this?

          • TheSOP

            He is a product of the CCP “educational” system, A + B * Chinese national honor=Opium Wars, always

          • Robert Rou

            Yes, I’ve read the questionnaire. What’s your objection, specifically? Kai argues that its incomplete (I don’t see this at all). So what’s missing?

            The quote above relates to the Boxer Rebellion, not the Opium Wars. And it refers to a time when China paid its due, justice notwithstanding.

        • Kai

          What makes you think I condone language like “kill all the Chinese” and essentially greenlight rhetoric for mass genocie?

          I think you misread or grossly misunderstood my comment.

      • Beijinger

        Holy shit, are you honestly criticizing the Chinese reporting of this instead of the original racist content from ABC?

        Wow, can you be more of a self hating, Asian American neutered house chink?

        • Kai

          Stop trolling and you won’t have to keep finding ways to circumvent our moderation.

          I am criticizing the Chinese reporting but I am not doing it “instead of” criticizing the original incident. I’m not sure why you jump to that conclusion since I’ve been defending the criticism against whatever led to this incident throughout this entire god-forsaken 700+ (so far) comment thread.

          To criticize something does not necessarily mean not criticizing something else. I can hold two thoughts in my head at once. So can you.

          • Beijinger

            i don’t troll. and i hardly have to “keep finding ways to circumvent”, since the moderation system is so bad.

            also lol @ you pretending to understand what free speech and america values are while moderating anyone that has a different opinion.

            • Kai

              Your word against mine with regards to trolling but thank you for acknowledging that you do indeed circumvent our moderation in violation of our comment policy.

              I understand that free speech and “American” values don’t apply to private property.

              The amount of people with different opinions than me on this site says a lot about whether or not I moderate people who simply have a different opinion.

            • Riddler

              @Kai and I have had more than our share of our arguments. I have also accused him unfairly of moderating selectively which I now regret. I suggest we try to understand what his work entails and how much of a bitch it must be to have to sift through all our comments and decide which is appropriate or not.

          • Asian Male Insecurity

            If you’re halfway introspective Kai, you can see from this guy’s comment just how damaging and dysfunctional America’s victim and identity politics industry is. His entire point is that because you are a Chinese, your support on this issue should be counted on. This is why formerly more liberal-orientated whites like myself are overwhelmingly becoming more skeptical of the “we are the world” rhetoric. What’s the point in playing racial universalist when people like this will just use that universalism to their own tribal advantage?

            America has more or less been reduced to a Nation of fractuous, competing tribes by these people, don’t ever doubt it was by design.

            • Kai

              A lot of countries have victim and identity politics without the fractuous, competing tribes you’re referring to in America. This suggests that such politics are not inherent to societies characterized by “multiculturalism”.

              I’m also amused that you’re criticizing the notion of support being counted on based on identity. You’ve been relying on the same thing every time you go on this anti-multiculturalism rant across our sites.

              I’m sympathetic to what I consider very real phenomenons of “reverse discrimination” against “white” people but I’m not persuaded to fall into your camp of thinking so many of society’s ills will be solved by racial segregation and discrimination.

        • Riddler

          Hey man what the fuck? Don’t start that ‘chink’ shit here. Sarcasm one thing, don’t bring that nonsense on here.

          I mean seriously, cut that bullshit out. FFS!

    • Claude

      “Kids table, the lord of the flies edition.” Funny! Are we assuming those kids were prodded to say anti Chinese statements, or were they just being kids? I thought they were just being kids with some creative editing. So if it was editing, brunt of this nonsense goes on TJKS. Jeez, lighten up China.

    • 用开水烫我!

      more school shooting cases, delete more rubbish kids first!

      • Claude

        Your an imbecile.

        • Claude

          You should delete this post also. It was very immature and I lost my temper. Shooting kids, I mean.. I lost it. She doesn’t know any better, she’s just doing whats she’s been socialized to do. Also, in the heat of the moment I spelled you’re wrong. Oh brother!

        • Germandude

          That’s quite an insult for imbeciles, don’t you think? What have imbeciles done to you that you compare them to her?

      • Zappa Frank

        go on and delete youreself first, you’re just a back-pulling element for human evolution

        • 用开水烫我!

          do not reply to me, no ear?
          snob dog!

          • mr.wiener

            Stop it you two or I’m taking away your jelly beans and making you sit in the corner.

            • Zappa Frank

              please take a look on the previous article than, where she wrote a post not related with the topic without any other intention than talk some shit.

            • mr.wiener

              It takes two to tango sport, or as is usually the case ,4 or 5 of you all piling in.
              Eattot says dumb stuff, this is a given. She is a product [or victim] of her country’s world view , media and education system. Insulting her [tempting as it is] solves nothing and just leads to a repetition of the same old shite clogging up the discussion. Tell her she is wrong and leave it at that in the future.
              Pretty please.

            • Zappa Frank

              did you read this “i am sorry that i met some snob dog ruined my dignity and at the same time dick head who always has to hide up like a dick ne…
              “? it came out from nothing in a topic about a lyric.
              is it acceptable? so because she is supposed to be a victim of herself she can talk shit, say dumb things, be racist, be offensive, lack of any manner and so on without any consequence? at last let me reply her in the same way

            • mr.wiener

              “she can talk shit, say dumb things, be racist, be offensive, lack of any manner and so on without any consequence? at last let me reply her in the same way”
              So you are saying you want everyone to think you are as racist,dumb offensive and lacking in manners as her?
              Don’t be so hard on yourself.

            • Probotector

              That wasn’t his point dude, but perhaps you guys are keeping Eattot around to be the comic relief of CS or something.

            • Zappa Frank

              please explain me the logic that bring you to let her write “more school shooting cases, delete more rubbish kids first!
              ” but to delete mine where i write that she’s a pulling back element for human evolution…

            • mr.wiener

              She isn’t getting a free pass from me either.

            • willie miller

              For some reason he thinks she doesn’t know any better. In fact she knows exactly what she is doing and is a really nasty piece of work. Best to avoid her in the future mate, she is poisonous.

            • Kai

              Yes, we do think she doesn’t know better. We have to be fair about this. We have to make a judgement call about whether someone is trolling. We evaluate a person’s comment history and she has commented a whole damn lot without the majority of them being suspiciously intentionally inflammatory. She is more alike than different from all the other people who say similarly inflammatory things that we don’t also don’t moderate.

              This is our consensus as it is now. Maybe it will change in the future.

            • Kai

              Because we let other people say similar things about other targets as long as they are not dishonestly doing so. She isn’t the only person on cS who regularly says objectionable things in the course of expressing whatever the hell goes on in their heads.

              If you consistently say inflammatory things with the express intent to just make people angry because you think making people angry is fun, that’s different. We have ample reason to believe she’s literally ignorant about how objectionable and offensive she can be. If you want to try reasoning with her, by all means, but we don’t want people trolling or harassing each other as a form of flaming retribution.

              I hope this helps you understand the situation a bit better from our perspective.

            • Zappa Frank

              i understand, but she’s not just ignorant that can’t be helped, like in the message i’ve quoted to mr.weiner she provoked and insulted me directly. even now again while she was for some strange reason quarrelling with Riddles she again attacked me (you can easily recongnize because she called me snob or snob dog with many other offensive things later). the same thing happen with Kate that she attacked just for no reason because she was talking about babies and also many others… she’s not just dumb, but also offensive on porpouse.

            • Kai

              We’ll continue to monitor the situation but we also want to encourage people “not to feed the troll” if you really think she’s intentionally trolling you. Please downvote her, flag her comments, but don’t try to troll her back. At least in quite a few instances, I think language barrier has contributed to misunderstandings. In other instances, it is also clear that certain people delight in goading her, which makes them complicit in whatever disturbances she is involved in. I’m asking you to avoid being part of the latter. Thanks.

            • willie miller

              No, she is not a victim. She is someone who writes on the internet about killing kids.

            • 用开水烫我!

              can you just leave me alone?your not my ex or whatever,we are so far,why you focus on my posts so much???
              nosy aged woman?

            • Zappa Frank

              again?… i know logic and common sense is not for you. YOU ARE ON A FREE WEBSITE, ANYONE CAN REPLY TO ANYTHING.. got it? or is too hard for you?
              do you know why i reply you? because you always write down bullshits

          • Zappa Frank

            you’re pathetic even when you try to be offensive.”snob dog”, “dickhead”, primary school…

      • tomoe723

        yeah, why don’t we travel around the world and kill all the americans too so that all these economic depression will go away………

    • Muca

      Kids say the darndest things

    • ptptp

      Jimmy Kimmel Live is a comedy show and though insulting to China this is clearly satire on the right wing of the US and not a reflection of mainstream American thought.

    • Asian Male Insecurity

      East Asian people, especially the males, are incapable of accepting any kind of joke that they interpret as insulting their “face”. East Asia does not have a similar concept of “self-deprecating humor”, outside of Japan, for this reason. It is a region of very fragile egos. There’s a deep obsession with how westerners view them.

      Amongst Chinese and Korean Americans this insecurity finds fertile ground in the language of post-colonial discourse, where they will frame their racial tribalism in terms like “social justice” or “anti racism”.

      Kimmel should probably have known this.

      • mr.wiener

        ALL East Asian People?
        ALL Male East Asian People?
        If you are looking for insecurity there is plenty to go around, in every country and creed. In this case we are seeing it being stoked by so rather blatant [to our eyes] propaganda and loaded questions.
        Are you sure you aren’t falling into the same trap?

        • Yorgos

          nah, not all. but there’s enough that it fuels 90% of male behavior in the countries. Asians don’t get self-deprecating humor. Sure, some do. Like ones that have lived abroad for many years. But look at Asian humor, it’s all banana peels and fat guys.

          • Kai

            I’ve been tempted to make that generalization before but I think that’s just the humor of the less educated and less sophisticated, of which there are may in China for historical reasons.

            There’ve been a lot of examples of self-deprecating humor translated on cS, just as “banana peels and fat guys” humor is quite mainstream in the West as well. Why else would Mr. Bean or Adam Sandler be so popular?

        • whuddyasack

          He’s just highlighting his own insecurities. East Asian males typically don’t give a crap about westerners but westerners keep pulling crap like this article. Can’t blame them for looking at certain others less for it.

          • TheSOP

            “East Asian males typically don’t give a crap about westerners” says the racist troll who spends his days seeking out westerners to challenge for walking on his inferiority complex. You are so transparently untruthful and out of touch with reality its pathetic. Get help racist.

            • whuddyasack

              Using the race card again. So typical. I don’t seek out westerners to challenge as much as I find the comments by certain westerners here disturbing. And I usually tell the truth, as much as I can not make up some grand adventure fantasy about boning women nor speak for people I don’t even know.

              If you want to throw out the towel, just do it already.

        • Germandude

          I thought the same. Japanese, Thai and Philippino males are anything but insecure.

      • Guang Xiang

        Interesting. As someone with such in-depth “analysis and research” into “Asian Male Insecurity”, could you perhaps be, in the end, covering up your own insecurities?

        • Asian Male Insecurity

          No.

          Next.

          • Guang Xiang

            A simple ‘No’ was enough. The ‘Next’ is screaming “I need to show I’m not insecure.”

            • Riddler

              How is that?

            • wes707

              Look at your own picture, posing in front of an Armani Exchange store. The East Asian obsession with Western mingpai is very telling of your mutual insecurities.

            • Guang Xiang

              Missed the mark there. If I was obsessed, I would pose in front of Canali, and maybe not cover up letters like I’m trying to convey a message.

      • takasar1

        lol, you mention the japanese when it is quite clear that out of all asians they are the ones that care most about how foreigners view them. the stupidity! propaganda really can circulate within a ‘free’ society cant it?

        • Asian Male Insecurity

          Japanese actually don’t care that much.

          Chinese and Korean Americans think they care because they’re such rude, uncivilized people they assume being polite to a foreigner translates into obsequiousness.

          • takasar1

            please…take a good long look at manga characters (huge eyes, blond hair…ring a bell?), take a good long look at how portions of the japanese public cannot face up to their pasts and try and work it off as being a myth/creation of foreign media. if there exists one country in the world which is increasingly afraid to look at itself in the mirror, then its japan. ridiculous, probably the most ridiculous argument i have heard, “such rude uncivilized people”, wow, how vague/weak. you could travel inward into central USA or north of manchester UK and you will find tens of millions of ‘rude and uncivilized’ people. your name is striking, it reveals more about your own personal insecurities than it does asia male insecurities. did you get bullied in school or something?

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              Manga characters have distinctive hair colors to differentiate each other. They have big eyes because it’s easier to convey emotion with limited labor expended through animating cells that way.

              There are a couple of Euroboo animators like Miyazaki, but what’s wrong with that? He likes European History and Culture, big deal.

              The whole “Japanese worship white people” thing is another laughable, absurd meme that Chinese and Korean people like peddling. The Japanese are the most secure, at ease with themselves people in Asia. No amount of pretense about how they “worship whites” can change the fact Chinese people have a collective series of neuroses about how they see Westerners and how Westerners see them, let alone Koreans, who have a thousand year inferiority complex behind them.

              I think what this is really about is that whites and Japanese generally get on fairly amiably these days, and that Koreans and Chinese don’t like the fact most Japanese and whites don’t care much for them by contrast.

            • takasar1

              is that so? that must be why that particularly famous anti-hallyu manga depicted all koreans as having ‘asian’ features yet portrayed the japanese as big, blonde and with ‘caucasian features’. please…i’ve lost count of how many japanese people leave their country (permanently or to study), thinking japan is old, antiquated and too rigid, yet return soon after realizing the grass isnt always greener on the other side. take a good long look at hallyu. the ‘hallyu wave’ is no where near as big as the korean media makes it out to be, yet is often the target of racist japanese demonstrations. pretending the japanese are any more or less obsessed with europeans than the chinese and koreans is foolish. i can very easily say that the chinese/koreans/germans are most secure, at ease people in the world today. how can you disprove it? by repeating the comments of a bunch of keyboard warriors, who unlike the rest of society have to waste 24 hours a day on the internet to make themselves feel good?

            • TheSOP

              You point to one Manga, we can point to China’s entire daytime tv line up every single day which features hours worth of half baked virulently racist anti-Japanese or Western propaganda. OF course a fenqing like yourself probably cant tell up from down any more you’re so brainwashed.

            • takasar1

              not, really, i could also point to multiple racist mangas, racist demonstrations and crazy politicians who utter garbage almost all the time, it wont change the fact that a little weaboo yank like yourself would still find it very hard to believe that when it comes to racism and insecurity, nothing really separates the japanese from the chinese

            • TheSOP

              I’ve lived in both countries, Chine is far more overtly racist towards non-Chinese. Japanese are also racist (we are all human afterall) but nowhere near as racist as the Chinese media which actively promotes hostility towards Westerners and Japanese. But I have a feeling you are a novice when it come to Asia despite your likely being of ethnic Chinese descent, so I wont expect someone who doesn’t have the breadth of knowledge and experience across Asia compared to someone like me to actually understand much about this region. Hell you cant even understand America let alone Asia, it is too complex for your simple sanlu addled mind.

            • takasar1

              personally i feel the exact same way about you. if your viewpoints stem simply from observations then their isnt too much to differentiate us after all. i was privileged enough to live in busan for a couple of months and kyoto for 2 years, whilst visiting china frequently too. with regards to ‘experience’, not many trump me. you are right, the japanese MEDIA is no where near as obvious and racist as the chinese state-backed media yet i dont see too much different with regards to japanese people and chinese people. i observed hate riots in japan, i saw my black friends made fun of and ridiculed constantly and i heard ridiculously un-couth comments about koreans (who arent exactly shy about responding either). your observations tell you one thing, mine tell me something else. i wouldnt expect you to understand either, delusion is problem these days. besides, regarding america, i was simply doing the same thing as you: trolling

            • whuddyasack

              He hasn’t lived in either.

            • TheSOP

              Well I;ll agree Chinese and Koreans will likely have a somewhat different experience. But I think it is rare for either to be assualted in Japan whereas in China there have been qiute a few incidents of Chinese “nationalists” (read brainwashed thugs) attacking Japanese people, and not a few stories circulate among the western expat community of our own being harassed or attacked in China unprovoked or over very small matters. My analysis still stands.

            • takasar1

              well, you obviously got that bit wrong, japanese zaitokukai (read brainwashed thugs) are not exactly impartial when it comes attacking zainichi koreans. your entire outlook on the topic seems to come from a number of incidents you witnessed, well, if i witness differently, who is right and who is wrong?

            • whuddyasack

              No you haven’t.

            • TheSOP

              Glad you know my life better than I do, it just reflects your own racist delusions… get help racist.

            • whuddyasack

              You know POS, if all you’re going to do is accuse me of “racism”, “imperialism”, “nationalism”, and “inferiority complex” why not just let me reply to your drivel and not respond back?

              That way it’s win-win. You get to make your gross, demonizing and ridiculous statements while I get to retort to your nonsense and put you in your place (according to me, maybe not according to you).

              That way, neither of us would be dragged into this ridculous repetitive “wacist” mudslinging, over and over and over again? Just a suggestion.

              Comprehende?

            • TheSOP

              You are a racist and bigot, nuff said.

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              Koreans do look more Central Asian than Japanese people, who have a lower incidence of epicanthic fold than their Asian neighbors (likewise for Cantonese). It may be bad form of a mangaka to draw Koreans like that, but it’s not reflective of some “white worship”.

            • takasar1

              my friend, please tell me you dont really believe this? this past hour has actually given me a bit of respect for you, even though we have very different viewpoints. but please dont try to deny this. there are pages upon pages devoted to this little scandal. if you dont want to take my word for it then simply read up on it for a while.

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              I’m not defending Japanese racial chauvinism, I’m saying that Koreans look distinct to them generally speaking.

            • whuddyasack

              “I think what this is really about is that whites and Japanese generally
              get on fairly amiably these days, and that Koreans and Chinese don’t
              like the fact most Japanese and whites don’t care much for them by
              contrast.”

              More like some White expats can’t stand the fact Asians don’t really care for them.

              Rofl, please AMI. Don’t even put the Japanese (a far superior people) in the same breadth as insecure, ugly Euromerican people. Japanese aren’t bragging and talking about killing [insert race of people].

              That sort of behavior is extremely rude and unbecoming, the complete opposite of a Japanese/ heck any Asian. We don’t go around laughing at dead people or laughing/defending violence.

              Japanese = civilized,dignified while WAMs = tactless, rude, insecure

              To be honest, all Asians including the Japanese are perfectly comfortable with ourselves and couldn’t give a rat’s ass about some insecure hairy bush pig concerned enough to check out this forum and give himself an Asian moniker.

              In a way, I’m glad we’re not even closely related (so much for watering down your bad smells, temper and ill manners). Koreans and Japanese are basically the same stock. You’re more like Blacks and it’s really starting to show.

              I don’t know. I’ve seen some Japanese raise some really good points about White rats in their country. Even other Whites agree that White Americans can be real pigs and as they say, “White pig go home!!” and as the natives Americans would succinctly put “fuck off back to Europe”.

              I can’t say I can’t sympathize. Particularly with the Japanese here.

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              >That sort of behavior is extremely rude and unbecoming, the complete opposite of a Japanese/ heck any Asian.

              “Japanese culture is our culture” – Typical Asian American clueless idiot who can’t even speak or write in his supposedly native tongue.

              No it isn’t.

              Just because Japanese people have a reputation for politeness, this does not extend to Chinese and Korean people because of a few shared superficial cultural elements.

              The main reason Japanese people have a rep for being polite is the complex system of mores and obligations (unwritten) that emerged with the feudal system (actually more similar to Medieval Europe’s than China and Korea’s bureaucracies), that in turn emerged as a result of moving away from the Chinese tributary system after the Heian Era. In short: It has fuck all to do with you.

              >comfortable with ourselves

              Hahahahaha. Are you pretending to be Japanese again ISN/Wayne Lo? How long have you been doing this? 6 years now? It almost boggles the mind how one man can devote so much time and energy to commenting on internet boards and forums wherever he detects an Anti-Chinese POV.

              Nobody in Asia cares about your “Pan-Asian Nationalism” shit, it’s only dickless, sexless little Chinese and Korean American males who push it. Your average Japanese wants fuck all to do with China and sees the PRC as a massive existential threat and no amount of pretending to be Japanese on the internet is going to change this. What do you think that tells you?

              >and as the natives Americans would succinctly put “fuck off back to Europe”.

              I live in Europe. White Americans will fuck off back to Europe as soon as Chinese Americans and Korean Americans fuck off back to China and Korea.

              Oh, and Chinese in all the conquered, non-Han lands they currently occupy too. That goes for Taiwan as well. Get the fuck out of there.

            • Tee Kei

              i’d to discuss this with you in person

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              Hmm. Judging from your comment history you have a series of neuroses that are probably best addressed by a shrink rather than myself. Rather typically they include an obsession with white women whilst accusing white men of “fetishizing” asian women. For some reason this one seems to be particularly common amongst Asian American men.

              If your comment was a guarded threat, then I can only laugh. Your kung fu pantomine doesn’t actually work in real life against people with more upper body strength, reach and height, sorry.

            • whuddyasack

              Hahaha, says the person who pretends to be Japanese, Asian female or some Asian guy… it’s a trend many White people seem to do frequently. FYI, I’m not ISN whoever… but you’re definitely someone who hangs around these threads far too long.

              >”actually more similar to Medieval Europe’s than China and Korea’s bureaucracies”

              Hahaha, please take a chill pill. In reality, nobody of authority disagrees that the Japanese culture is extremely similar to Koreans and Chinese, a shared culture. The three East Asian countries have a Confucian culture, which focuses on respect and good manners, something lacking in Eurobush pigs.

              They have NOTHING to do with European cultures, which consisted of witch burning and sleeping in dens. Perhaps you should thank the Mongols for actually civilizing you. And Asians for their inventions. You’re welcome.

              Modern Japanese professors have already proved the interrelatedness of East Asian genetics and culture, who most would take far more seriously than some embittered wapanese.

              The fact is politeness and respect is practiced in all three cultures.

              Here let me correct you: the desire to please everyone is the mindset of all three Oriental cultures as well as a general hatred of war, and making fun of the dead.

              With this in mind, and given your unbecoming, rude defense of the inappropriateness and uncivilized nature of “kill everyone in China” rhetoric, you clearly are far removed from every Asian culture. Not just Japanese.

              >comfortable with ourselves
              Yes, I’ve never pretended to be anything but Chinese unlike many Whites. While you’re a spitting example of a bitter weaboo that doesn’t match up to the Japanese. So is that jealousy or a gaming stick to bash Koreans/Chinese? “Joseph Matsuraa” (was that you?)

              >Nobody in Asia cares about your “Pan-Asian Nationalism” shit

              Most do. Which explains why building Asian relations is a common theme amongst Asian politics and why Asian Americans get along very well. Many Asian unions are actually started by Japanese to the exclusion of Europeans.

              >it’s only dickless, sexless little Chinese and Korean Americans

              Oh please, of all American males, Asian American men, including C,J,K, have the highest rates of marriages, mostly stable. I heard Japanese women preferred Korean men to Europeans so maybe that’s what all that pent up rage is about.

              >Your average Japanese wants fuck all to do with China

              So why do they trade? Why are there countless student exchange programs in East Asia? Why the thousands of videos proving the contrary? Why did the most famous Japanese band (which does waay better than European bands) promote and make sister groups in Asia including China? Why the use of shared social media/video programs?

              Your average Japanese has the decency not to shout “kill everyone in China” and defend it. Which is what we would have done as well. And we certainly won’t want fuck all to do with some fool that thinks its cool to utter such slogans. What does that tell “you”.

              You see, the only reason you guys bring up Japanese as shields for your own pathetic ways is because we really don’t give a rat’s ass about what Europeans think but ALL Asians see Japan as a good role model. Something you can learn from.

              >I live in Europe.

              Typical. So why the hell do you care about what’s going on in China? Nor do you care about what East Asians are doing when your Muslim brothers are waging “Jihad” against you.

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              >They have NOTHING to do with European cultures

              Japanese administration after the Heian period was based on a feudal system of landholding patterns amongst aristocratic noble houses, who raised and fought with peasant levies, who in turn could be granted land and conferred with Samurai-ship for service to their lord.

              Remind you of anything? Certainly not China, which had a quasi-bureaucratic system since the Han Dynasty and a full on professional bureaucracy from Song onwards.

              >So why do they trade? Why are there countless student exchange programs blah blah blah

              You do realize none of this actually constitutes proof right?

              What constitutes proof are things like this:

              http://thediplomat.com/china-power/china-and-japan-really-dont-like-each-other/

              Actual surveys that show the vast majority of Japanese have a negative view of China.

              What’s the country that comes out best amongst Japanese public opinion? Germany.

              Now hopefully you’ll drop this “We all love each other and are all just as polite as the Japanese. No, really!” line of argument you silly little pindick : D

              >the desire to please everyone is the mindset of all three Oriental cultures as well as a general hatred of war, and making fun of the dead.

              You need to tell your Chinese compatriots about this, I’m sure they’d be very interested to learn they don’t go around beating people into comas for driving Toyotas, setting foreign factories on fire, signing petitions to nuke the Xiao Riben and so on.

              >The fact is politeness and respect is practiced in all three cultures.

              You have clearly never spent any significant time in China or South Korea. There is virtually no civic society in mainland China whatsoever.

            • whuddyasack

              One of the defining symbols of Oriental culture was pottery.

              http://www.japantimes.co.jp/culture/2011/08/25/arts/japanese-brothers-who-championed-korean-ceramics/#.Um_L_lObEZk

              “In ancient times, Japanese arts and crafts were greatly influenced by the introduction of techniques and aesthetics from Korea and China.”

              “There is no dearth of similarities between the two (China and Japan). Like all old cultures, many of the traditions in both societies are woven around the family structure and social hierarchy that they have nurtured over several centuries. Both China and Japan provide a lot of emphasis on Confucian values in life. In both societies, one can observe apathy towards blatant consumerism, and a high tendency to save, as part of social and moral fabric.”

              This similarity continues to the present day:
              Thanks to the continuous exchanges between people, both societies have commonalities in Music, arts, sculpture and architecture. Typical inclined roofs giving a pagoda like appearance are a common feature in both countries. Lastly, the popularity of martial arts among the people is a common feature in both societies”

              You were saying? Let’s not even get started on Korea. Most experts including the likes of Jared Diamond and professors from Kanagawa prefecture conclude that there is no two people more similar to the Japanese than the Koreans. No wonder so many jelly White guys can’t stand Koreans. No need to get upset though, my main argument was that putting Japan (top quality people) in the same breadth as Europeans (apparently quite insensitive bush pigs) as a shield vs other East Asians is offensive to the Japanese. ;-)

              As for the European connection, peleeze… as if the thousands of literature about the mysticism, alien and exotic culture of Japan isn’t proof enough. Books like “The Japanese Mind”. There is a European term for this, it’s called “turning Japanese” and there are no short supply of you guys “pretending to be Japanese” to start fights.

              Here’s the clincher, even the modern Japanese culture and infrastructure/preferences/taste/games/aesthetics falls more in line to their East Asian and even SEAsian neighbors than wannabe Europeans. You’re culture is closer to the Arabs and North Africans.

              >they’d be very interested to learn they don’t go around beating people into comas for driving Toyotas, setting foreign factories on fire, signing petitions to nuke the Xiao Riben and so on.

              Which is why White people make and support comments like killing all x nationalities, while Japanese AND Chinese find it distasteful. You’re repulsive, the sooner you know your own stink, the better. Not that you don’t already.

              Meanwhile, your European compatriots would be interested to know that raping, murdering and robbing Japanese tourists occurs often enough. Predatory targeting Japanese students like the Spokane incident quite rife.

              >All just as polite as the Japanese. No, really!

              “Confucian/Oriental culture is successful because it teaches respect, humility, integrity, tolerance, diligence and perseverance—the very quality which most modern people are either lacking or ignoring. (vzc1943, btt1943)”

              Uh-huh. Modern people being Europeans like you, silly little pindick. No wonder why I could relate to Japanese people more while you’re left with feigning actual relationships/importance. Note, don’t really care about Europeans, silly little pindick :D

              >diplomat

              Again with the surveys hahaha. There’s something in common with the diplomat and yourself, no?

              FYI, I wasn’t arguing about East Asians holding perfect opinions of each other. I was arguing that East Asians LONGED for better relations, deep inside hence why I brought up the exchanges, blah, blah, blah.

              You know what constitutes proof for me? Not the pathetic words from some insecure, bitter dweeb rambling about Chinese and Koreans and defending the indefensible online (something Japanese have enough class NOT to do). But this:

              http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/kyodo-news-international/131026/japan-china-experts-discuss-thorny-issues-seek-better-

              http://ajw.asahi.com/article/behind_news/social_affairs/AJ201305110010

              http://ajw.asahi.com/article/behind_news/politics/AJ201309220048

              Get it? Now don’t cry cause you’re excluded and insignificant.

              >You have clearly never spent any significant time in China or South Korea.
              Never assume. Especially when all things considered, one could say it’s you who has never been to any East Asian country nor knows anyone outside your immediate family.

              I’ve been to all 3 countries and have been touched by the “politeness”, magic and warmth of the people there. I prefer them to the rude Frenchies, whom even Japanese complain about, i.e. your people.

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              >Get it?

              Nope. This is just one long, emotive rant with no substantiation beyond “our pottery was similar”.

              Greeks and Italians are somewhat similar to Near Eastern groups, who aren’t even Arab to begin with since their ancestry is a mix of Phoenician and other near-Eastern archaic Semitic groups with some admixture from Southern Europe (from antiquity) mixed in. Gulf Arabs are more or less completely alien to European culture, hence the trouble they have fitting in, if you wanted to pick a “colored” group with European affinities, you’d actually pick an Indo-European one, such as Northern Indians (Gujaratis for example). You clearly know fuck all about European History and Culture.

              Now, Japan. As I’ve said, Japan shared cosmetic similarities with her mainland Asian neighbors, but Japan moved away from the Sinosphere after the Heian period and set up their own, completely distinct mode of governance and system of social obligations to had absolutely fuck all in common with what existed on the Asian mainland.

              Finally, if you honestly believe Chinese people are polite, then I can only conclude you’ve spent no time in mainland China.

              The rest of your post is just sexual frustration writ large.

            • whuddyasack

              >blah, blah MENAs are alien to us, we’re not Arabs

              Nonsense. The contributions of the Arab world to the European world are large enough historically to indicate that a strong link exists. Muslim Spain had huge influences over Europe. In the same vein, it is very difficult to differentiate South Europeans from MENAs, including Arabs. Just because you view Arabs as backward and barbaric doesn’t mean you’re not really like them. In fact, you’re closer to them in culture, aesthetics, preferences, and history than to any far Eastern group like Japan which was our initial argument.

              >Japan shared cosmetic similarities with her mainland Asian neighbors, but Japan moved away from the Sinosphere after the Heian period

              You shouldn’t make your envy and agenda so obvious using “cosmetic”, “followed by” and “fuck all”, the last one very emotive. Lmao, you even contradict yourself. Prior to the Heian period, Japan was very similar to mainland Asia, not just “cosmetically” having mass migration from the mainland, particularly the Korean peninsula(ba-zing). During the Heian period, Chinese influences were at their height, Japan was another China.

              Even after the Heian period, the similarities with mainland Asia were still there, and far greater than to all of Europe. Korea was similar to Japan up till the modern age, which is not surprising given how close they are.

              Every nation on Earth was westernized to an extent and Japan helped modernize much of Asia. Even the Philippines is today more similar to Japan culturally then say, Sweden. In quotes:

              “Thanks to the continuous exchanges between people, both societies have commonalities in Music, arts, sculpture and architecture. Typical inclined roofs giving a pagoda like appearance are a common feature in both countries. Lastly, the popularity of martial arts among the people is a common feature in both societies”

              Which makes this:
              >had absolutely fuck all in common
              an obviously begrudging denial of reality.

              But we’re arguing about the origins of Japanese politeness,

              “Confucian/Oriental culture is successful because it teaches respect, humility, integrity, tolerance, diligence and perseverance—the very quality which most modern people are either lacking or ignoring.
              (vzc1943, btt1943)”
              which has fuck all in common with Europe. ;-)

              In terms of similarities, you have the words of Japanese professors, journalists, experts, nobility, researchers and most importantly people themselves affirming this. I’d rather take the words of Japanese (and East Asian) people themselves than the butthurt ramblings of a European in desperate need of a fuck.

              >if you honestly believe Chinese people are polite

              Not only believe it. Know it and proved it. No Chinese child would ever appear on TV and exclaim “Kill Everyone in x”, to the delight of the uncivilized crowd. Neither would the Japanese. And this concept of honor and respect for the dead/living is something we share and you don’t. I guess it’s wrong to expect other people to hold the values we hold. ;-)

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              >Nonsense. The contributions of the Arab world to the European world are
              large enough historically to indicate that a strong link exists. Muslim
              Spain had huge influences over Europe.

              “Huge” is an overstatement. “Huge” would be something like the Roman legacy, or the influence of Socratic, Platonic and Aristotleian schools of Philosophy which are felt in a multitude of different ways right up until the present day. Politically, socially and culturally Al-Andalus wielded limited influence. No Arab philosophers have wielded anything even approaching a significant influence over Western thought and the majority of the Greek canon was preserved and transmitted by Byzantine Greeks who took up tenureship at Northern Italian colleges after the Fourth Crusade, so don’t repeat that old canard.

              >During the Heian period, Chinese influences were at their height, Japan was another China.

              There’s absolutely no way of knowing this given how tiny the Japanese literary canon was until the Muromachi Period.

              >Not only believe it. Know it and proved it.

              No you haven’t. You’ve attempted to position Asian Americans as aggrieved, chronically bullied victims and posted 3 or 4 quotes about the ideals of Confucian virtue ethics, from which you made the totally-not-ridiculous logical jump of thinking this disproves the almost universally bad reputation Chinese people have for rudeness (amongst other things), even amongst other Chinese.

              The fact is Chinese routinely rank bottom in any poll about tourist politeness in just about every country on earth.

              >No Chinese child would ever appear on TV and exclaim “Kill Everyone in x”, to the delight of the uncivilized crowd.

              No, they just do it in public while throwing rocks at Japanese embassies or burning down Japanese owned department stores.

            • whuddyasack

              >”Huge” is an overstatement.

              No it’s not. The influences of Muslim Spain were huge and undeniable.

              “Moors, as the Spaniards call the Muslims, populated Spain for nearly 700 years. As you’ll see, it was their civilization that brought Europe out of the dark ages and ushered in the renaissance. Their influences still live with us today.”

              All in all, being historically intertwined, the similarities between MENAs and Europeans far exceeds that of Japan and Europe (hence the exoticism and mysticism) and infinitely more than those of Japan and her East Asian neighbors. Interestingly enough, Arabs are considered White in the US.

              >There’s absolutely no way of knowing this given how tiny the Japanese literary canon was until the Muromachi Period.

              Wrong. The chances that the Japanese didn’t originate, let alone weren’t influenced by the Asian continent are negligible. What we have is architecture, the Nihonshoki, old manuscripts, ancient records from 3 different countries and the undeniable signs of the ancient ties that bind all East Asian countries together that remain to this day. It is certainly more than “fuck all”, which is what can be said of the similarities with Europe.

              Considering it’s the words of Japanese nobility, historians, professors, archaeologists, researchers and most importantly people (and Chinese/Koreans of course) against yours, it’s quite obvious you have NO ground to stand on.

              All that really means is that you’re one laughably rancid, embittered shrew with an agenda and actual jealousy. I’m sure I don’t have to elaborate further lmao.

              >even amongst other Chinese.

              And you know this because? In regards to rudeness, all it really takes is to go to any English newsgroup, click comments and scroll down all 1000 comments in bush pig speak. Heck, the title of this article and it’s implications is proof enough that those in glass houses should not throw stones.

              >The fact is Chinese routinely rank bottom in any poll about tourist politeness in just about every country on earth.

              http://www.businessinsider.com.au/worst-behaved-tourists-2013-5

              Even the first google hit suggests this is simply NOT the case. The US, UK and Russia rank ahead of China in terms of rude tourists. It pretty much is a list of entirely Western nations. Singapore, HK, Taiwan are not even in the list as are Japan and Korea (which you had the audacity to critique considering they are magnitudes ahead of you in civic society).

              >No, they just do it in public while throwing rocks at Japanese embassies or burning down Japanese owned department stores.

              http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/violence-immigrants-march-connecticu

              And that’s just the tip of the iceberg. As I said, glass houses. Nah, scratch that. You’re much worse, so the question is who the hell gave you the right to judge who’s rude and civil, considering you revel in this uncivilized grime?

              What’s hilarious was how quick and thorough the entire western media were in reporting those very rare Chinese riots and how zitheaded bloggers (not unlike yourself) were foaming at the mouth with mock outrage considering you were neither nationality. Both of us were way more “Confucian cool” than that hahaha.

              BTW, most Chinese condemned extreme violence while in the Western blogosphere, not a soul of civility in the comments.

              If you actually were like the Japanese, then you can talk. Which was why putting them in the same breadth as
              you people was hilarious. They are not you. They
              actually know how not to sound like a tasteless idiot in public, and certainly won’t defend it either. And the point is, neither would the Chinese.

              Like I said, different values and sensibilities to “westerners”. So before you harp on how much Koreans and Chinese care about what “Europeans” think, think again. We couldn’t give a fuck about some irrelevant neckbeards in a deathmatch with their Muslim and Black brothers.

            • mr.wiener

              ……..?
              I really didn’t understand much out of that long disjointed rant other than you are still tilting at windmills

            • whuddyasack

              It’s alright Wiener. I’ll explain it to you.

              Here’s a summary:

              >AMI (check out his user name) comes and harps on about how Korean/Chinese are rude, uncivilized bla bla and how Japan/Europe are different.

              >I then tell him flat that C,J,K are quite similar (as did Takasar) and that putting E and J together is insulting to J since he doesn’t measure up to them.

              > He proceeds to say how E and J have similar culture

              >I refuted. He gets mad. Sparks fly.

              And wiener, I’m not tilting at windmills. Asian Male Insecurity the SWAM isn’t an imaginary enemy. He seriously views “Asians” as enemies. I’m just returning tit for tat. The question is why aren’t you talking to him instead since he’s said pretty much the same thing and gotten his ass handed repeatedly by other Chinese? I’ll apologize if my argument has somehow hurt other “White” guys but I’ll make it clear again, I don’t mean you :-) just the trolls.

              So I’ll ask you again. How would you deal with a raging, virgin fag who calls himself “Asian Male Insecurity” out for a fight and makes false assumptions and accusations about you?

            • mr.wiener

              I’d ignore the prick.
              But if you have to argue with him don’t go tit-for-tat. It just makes you seem every bit as big a fool as him. In particular don’t counter an “all asians are this” comment with an “Well all whites are that” comment.
              He’s had his fun and has gone now anyway. I’d respectfully request you stay away from TheSOP in the future also. His “Sanlu drinking, syphalitic Mao” comments are making him very hard to take seriously.

              Oh , and I agree with your comments about the civilizing influence of the arabs on Europe.

            • whuddyasack

              Hey Wiener,

              Thank you for the response mate. Civil discussions tend to be a novelty in Csmack and you’re one of the very few non-Asians here with an open-mind. Well, most regulars aren’t exactly irredeemably opprobrious people. The problem has always been the random trolls who make up the majority of posters.

              Firstly, I’ll admit that in terms of life experience, you probably have mountains more than me. But in terms of online masquerades and motivations, you lack cunning (no offense meant, heck, I’d say Chinese as a whole are naturally naive people who believe anything).

              I really do have fun sweeping the trash, but only because I’ve got the upper hand most of the time (bar moderation). That’s because most have a predictably linear trajectory so it’s easy to stay one step ahead of them. Which is why it’s so hard for me to resist picking on them. Just then, I asked you those questions in an intentionally victimized tone to avoid moderation. Of course, I’m assuming you can’t see through my intentions and that you were about to unleash the ban hammer with your reply.

              Either way, I disagree with this statement:
              -He’s had his fun and has gone now anyway

              While I was ready to go for more, he actually had his hands full and I’d say he wasn’t enjoying the confrontation. The reason he kept coming back was dissatisfaction at his arguments with me not going as planned and how he was manhandled. But that was because his arguments work only against Chinese posters who stereotypically hate Japanese bearing no affect on those who don’t. Hence why he kept desperately trying to change the subject. I intentionally replied to every new claim he puked out even if I didn’t have to just to show how weak and easily refuted his every point was while defending my own.

              Prior to commenting on Csmack, I used to participate in debates with native and diaspora Japanese netizens so I know very well a stereotypical response in much the same way as I know the approximate breadth of Chinese netizens posts.

              AMI got careless and made several inconsistencies and revealed several obvious lies. He also inadvertently advertised that he knew no Putonghua, let alone spoke functional Mandarin and most importantly, knew next to nothing about the Chinese internet culture. It’s actually an easy mistake to spot. Which was why his false assumption that I was anything like him fallacious.

              Now you want to know the real reason why he’s gone? It’s because of your statement above. He obviously came back to reply but wasn’t able to because of your post. But then again, maybe you had it all planned. ;-)

              I gave you a thumbs up so now no one can say it was me giving you the negative. Would have given one anyway though lol

              I’m telling you all this for many reasons:
              The first is that I’m going to respectfully accept you request to ignore the POS, even if it is a hard ask. He wants me out and I want him out.

              As such, I’d still like to tell someone about my brilliance. It’s just ego speaking but then again, men are driven by ego. My greatest pride atm is being able to drive my friends around, and not this shit. In case you were wondering hahaha

              Finally, I’m telling this to you because I’m quite fond of you. Of course you’re far too mature to let crap like this affect you, but many younger people aren’t. Consider my words free tips in case someone important to you gets cyber-bullied to near death. Introspection , knowledge and the ability to understand what motivates others goes a long way in stopping losers with nothing better to do in their tracks.

              That’s how you put the chill on those geekroids.

              Cheerios.

      • http://www.churchofsatan.com/ Donald_Pleasance

        East Asian people, especially the males, are incapable of accepting any
        kind of joke that they interpret as insulting their “face”

        Absolutely and totally true. A woman who lives in the flat below me made the “mistake” of insinuating Chinese are not as clean as other people to a former male student of hers at dinner on sunday night. The result was everytime a point was made, even a valid one, some retort would come out like China is the most powerful country because we have the most people. They want to gain face at all costs, but can’t accept it being taken away.

      • Kai

        You’ve been on this site before and you have the same MO each time. Please don’t make us ban you again.

        If East Asians outside of Japan didn’t have self-deprecating humor, why would Chinese netizens (for example) call themselves diaosi? Why would (again for example) Gangnam Style have been produced in Korea?

        It’s arguable that someone who is so preoccupied and obssessed with Asian male insecurity that he would then take it as his internet display name to magnify his gripe is ALSO deeply insecure.

        There’s plenty to criticize about post-colonial discourse and racial-tribalism but you’re being way too transparent. You’re just like the insecure Chinese and Korean-Americans, only on the other side. Funny how the opposite ends meet.

        • mr.wiener

          Yep, politics isn’t a line from left to right. It’s a horseshoe.

    • Right

      If I read the words “Chinese Netizen” I know that I don’t have to read further. It’s always the same thing.
      Blah blah blah it’s America’s fault blah blah blah

    • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

      China has Children wanting to kill all the Japanese and you don’t see the Japanese bitching about it.
      Yeah I’ve seen those kids in the classrooms wishing a lot of hateful things they learn from their parents and stupid Chinese TV.

      They’re just kids man.

      And we teach them hate. Nice one, post modern parents.

      • Chinese

        but broadcasted?

        • Don’t Believe the Hype

          I dont think I went a day in China without hearing some news media crock about how Japan was screwing over China. Its subtle but its there

          • linette lee

            Japan does that too against China. Their Japanese politicians constantly call China liars about Japan invasion. China always make TV dramas about Japan invasion. The Japan and China gov’t portray each other in a negative way. Nothing good. America and China portray each other in a negative way too. So does Russia and America. The good guys are always Americans and the bad guys are Russians on USA movies. lol.

            • Don’t Believe the Hype

              True. Lets just hope this mutual ignorance doesn’t lead to another war : (

            • whuddyasack

              It won’t if it were up to both countries. At least neither country has children talking about “killing all x and y”.

            • Don’t Believe the Hype

              Kids like this in America aren’t brainwashed like they are in communist countries. They don’t hear their parents/teachers shouting stereotypical jargon at them because if they did then other parents/teachers would say, hey, your a freakin racist, stop raising your kid to be a racist. Truth is, if an American kid says something like this, it is because it was the first thing that came out of their mouth. So, yeah, mayb that kid watches too many violent video games and movies, but he’s not the next Hitler for goodness sake

            • David

              Except for the RE-Make of Red Dawn, then they made the bad guys Chinese and then changed it to North Koreans.

        • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

          you mean like all those soap operas and more-important-than-any-hollywood-premiere movies where Chinese Rambo shoots Japan Down with a BB gun?

      • linette lee

        Even if it was just an innocent joke(which I am sure it was with no doubt), the TV station shouldn’t broadcast that. Imagine on TV which is watched by all people including small kids. Kill everyone in America, Kill all white people, kill all Italian people, kill all Argentina people. Just imagine if no censorship and allow to make insensitive remarks like these everyday and being watched daily on our TV. What will happen to the kids? They WILL get affected by it.

        Would you folks want China TV to broadcast remarks like this kill all white people casually on their TV stations to the chinese children? IT was mean to be a joke right? Why take it so serious?

        • ptptp

          It’s satire regarding the American right wing. Kids don’t generally wear suits and ties and drink from juice boxes with just the American flag and no corporate logos. While the skit was in bad taste, it’s clearly not to be taken seriously. Nothing Jimmy Kimmel does is to be taken seriously. Unfortunately, people in China may not see the subtleties of the satire or but just the big, ugly statement. Don’t you live in the States? Have you ever watched the show?

          I’d more offended by censorship than someone saying “Death to America.” Not that anyone ever says that, no never.

          • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

            I dont see it, Im British!
            Why do yanks stand up for bad sht when they do it?
            Double fcking standards

            • http://picasaweb.google.com/kilroy238 Kilroy238

              Either that or you’re just another delicate brit whose panties get in a bunch whenever someone burns your crumpet.

            • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

              I like burnt crumpet!

            • http://picasaweb.google.com/kilroy238 Kilroy238

              To be honest though I really don’t even know what a crumpet is though. Is it anything like the bread we get on our egg mcmuffins?

            • Probotector

              No that would be a muffin, hence the name ‘egg mcMUFFIN’

            • http://picasaweb.google.com/kilroy238 Kilroy238

              I’m sorry, I’ll try to make my joking sarcasm more obvious next time. ;)

            • Probotector

              Mine was a joke too. Don’t worry about Mr. C, anti-American sentient in the UK is wholly misplaced.

            • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

              hard to describe but now I need to find some, to eat with cheese, buttered and marmite.

            • Riddler

              Crumpet in British English, though not now used often, was slang, used to describe the part of the ladies anatomy which today in slang, is something you would call a kitten.

            • Probotector

              No need to stereotype. However, I do agree with your sentiment.

            • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

              you would biggles.

            • Probotector

              We can’t all be America haters

            • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

              its true, too many already.

            • http://picasaweb.google.com/kilroy238 Kilroy238

              I didn’t stereotype. I didn’t say all…I said another. I have met and do know a few exactly as I described.

            • ptptp

              hahaha… idiot. Is this Britsmack? Do I have to mention the all the other countries in the world besides the US and China for you? Show me where I stood up for anything?

            • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

              You didn’t.
              Thank you.

          • linette lee

            I agree, Jimmy kimmel is making fun of the right wing politicians in this skit. They have kids juice boxes in american flags…lol XD. When mentioned how to solve their debt with China. The right wing folks have no brain. Like I know, just kill everybody so we don’t have to pay. lol. XD
            Bad joke.

        • AMILIYUN

          censorship? on returning to Australia after 11lyrs. I was shocked at the language and content on TV and radio not just after hours. perhaps those that were introduced to it bit by bit have not noticed as our collective morals/norms degraded but I certainly noticed a steep decline in what is considered acceptable and I am far from a prude

          • Asian Male Insecurity

            I agree with that.

            I’m ok with censorship of violent/sexual content. There has been a slow creep of it into our lives.

        • David

          I agree with you about almost everything except one. This television show is aired at midnight (or 01:00 AM depending on where you live in the country). It is for adult entertainment where people find kinds saying over the top and outlandish things funny (not me personally but some do). I agree the producers of the show show this filmed program to be shocking and that is one of the reasons I did not watch this show even when I was in the states.

        • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

          Kids are funny because they’re spontaneous. It was a joke. America is still to blame, all those movies and TV shows where the Arabs, Colombians (no such thing as columbians) and Russians are the bad ones. Oh and it’s no news the US has immense problems with racism. So if I was Chinese I’d be worrying for my 阿姨 looking down on my 老外 friend, or my son not to hate anyone, specially the Japanese.

          Somehow it’s ok to stand against such things.. but I don’t think we can change the current situation. it’s only getting worse and the only solution I have for all this is to turn off your TV. I did years ago.

    • Yorgos

      Well, the good ol’ Confucian lack of sense of (dark) humor shines again.

      • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

        I’m British , i dont get it explain it to me?
        Was you rolling around the floor laughing when this kid said that? Really fess up, did it really make you laugh?

        • Probotector

          For a British person, your English is quite bad.

          • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

            whose to blame for that then

            • Probotector

              You.

            • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

              correct!

    • Guest23

      Pretty hypocritical reaction but at least it didn’t go too far, gotta say some of the comments don’t have as much critical-thinking as I would like most of them to be, last year’s anti-Japanese rallies/riots were pretty insanely Government-approved and the poll’s kinda biased towards certain choices, at least China has some non-Chinese naysayers protesting this, but then again every nation/country has it’s fair share of nationalistic agenda.

      On a funny note, those kids’ answers were honest and funny but not acceptable though(kids think the bad guys should die) considering the US extremist right-wing(check Glenn Beck’s insane theory on Chinese communism and it’s connection to the anti-christ Obama) you can guess satire isn’t a thing in East Asia, it never really is.
      (Really hope they don’t do a flesh-search on the kids)

    • Guang Xiang

      This really puts things in perspective.

      We usually nag China for imprinting anti-Japanese sentiment during school, like that article about the Japanese boy and the Chinese boy. However, the US does it in a much more subtle way. With the way American media likes to report negative coverage on China, it’s scary to think how many people get brainwashed to thinking China is enemy #1.

      Edit:
      I’m surprised at the amount of people writing it off as humor escaping the Chinese masses. I certainly don’t think it’s funny if the kid say “Kill all the blacks.” If you guys really think this is comedy, think again. There’s a reason why it was deleted.

      Sometimes it’s fun to board the China-hate train, but not today, not today.

      • ChinaEnemy#1

        Quick, let’s share this 500 times and Guang Xiang will be locked up by the US government. Oh…

        • Guang Xiang

          That’s too archaic, what China needs is an organization with access to data mining of all popular social media.

          • ChinaEnemy#1

            They’ll have to figure out a way to integrate their people into a very tolerant country that interweaves people of all ethnicities and races into it’s fabric, then exploit that generosity and steal the methodology. Oh..

            Furthermore, my witty and obviously sharp-witted friend- it’s not ‘the hate China train” to point out that even with globalization and the access to popular media in foreign countries via the internet, that the understanding of satire lags behind the access. Thus mass condemnation of something like this is, well, hilarious to us. Hope that doesn’t offend.

            • whuddyasack

              So don’t bitch and whine when the Chinese complain about unkempt laowai or argue with Japanese.

              Man, you’re pathetic. Usually a “hope that doesn’t offend” line is smuggled in to deliberately achieve the opposite. Now, that didn’t offend, but your bad smell did.

            • Riddler

              ‘…or argue with japanese…’

              Like this you mean?

            • whuddyasack

              Riddler pleezeee. Check the date of the overused and repeated video, that was like one year ago.

              Things to consider are:

              i) there was much criticism on the “violence” of this event by actual Chinese (duh)

              ii) despite the scale of those “riots” there weren’t surprisingly, hardly anyone was hurt

              iii) most of the most uncivilized comments at the time came from “Westerners”.

              Now let me show you what actual riots look like:


              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKrnJIIltco

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyWLfRa6lh0

            • Riddler

              So stamping on a guys head is not real violence in your head?

            • whuddyasack

              Read again.

              “There was much criticism on the “violence” of this event by actual Chinese”

              I even put violence in quotes.

      • whuddyasack

        You should check the “kill all whites” video by Black people and the asinine, “butthurt” responses made by the White guys. If Chinese reacted the same way, you’d be sure the death threats will start coming.

        Yes, this wasn’t funny.

        • Riddler

          ‘If Chinese reacted the same way’

          • whuddyasack

            Terrible use of quotes. You are extrapolating my words into something else.Try not to make the same mistake as Asian Male Insecurity hahaha.

            Here’s what I said:

            You should check the “kill all whites” video by Black people and the asinine, “butthurt” responses made by the White guys.

            Allow me to explain. In order for your video to be relevant, you need to find a video of a CHINESE saying “kill all blacks/whites” or vice versa. You need to find this:

            • Riddler

              “….You need to find this…”

              YOU, need to find this:

            • whuddyasack

              I already did, with the two videos I posted. The ball is on your court since it is you challenging my statement.

              Common sense?

            • Riddler

              Ball in my court? You pretend to presume that we are actually involved in a debate. You childish aim at trying to stir the pot is not going to be dignified with a response. That kid in america was a kid. What are you dealing with?

              Here’s some government policy as opposed to individual extremists for you to digest:

            • whuddyasack

              In a way you could say we are. The thing is you attacked my statements by quoting it, but countered with something completely different (something the late AMI had a bad habit of doing).

              “You should check the “kill all whites” video by Black people and the asinine, “butthurt” responses made by the White guys.”

              The original statement was the above. Which would explain why I attached those 2 videos in my response.

              Your video response was simply a juxtaposition of deflection. But to be fair, I think it was an honest mistake on your part and you couldn’t tell the difference.

              As for those videos, didn’t bother. Since it falls into the same category as your “counter-video”. Hahahaha

            • Riddler

              Countered it with something different? What did you expect? Donuts?

              Do you masturbate over that thesaurus? Put the book DOWN.

            • whuddyasack

              I expected you to refute the claim with an example of either a Chinese kid preaching genocide on TV or a Chinese posting a video response to said genocide video.

            • Riddler

              They don’t preach genocide in china, they just get on with it.

            • whuddyasack

              Alright then, what genocide is going on there at the moment? Go on, name one. Be sure it’s credible and not another one of those “thingies” yo pulled outta yo wigga ass hahaha.

              FYI, it should look something like this:

              Warning, extremely graphic and not for the faint of heart. If that’s you Riddler, then you can always stop and learn to zip it.

              http://www.countercurrents.org/vendhan100810.htm

            • Riddler

              Here, I found you on youtube:

            • Probotector

              Lol, that was hilarious.

            • Riddler

              You are all over youtube, found another one of you:

            • Probotector

              “asians don’t cry…”

              “sometimes!”

            • Riddler

              Sometime, only sometimes:

            • Probotector

              I loved the commentator’s remarks at the end:

              “The translation says that he called Kobe a god”

              lol

            • Riddler

              I love the comment where it says he would rather fuck kobe than his own wife!

            • Probotector

              Kobe would wreck him.

            • Riddler

              AND his wife:-)

            • Riddler

              Sometimes, only sometimes:

              (re-posted, didn’t show earlier)

            • whuddyasack

              Good grief, Riddler. You’re pathetic. None of those 3 videos are even remotely close to what I’m like, as much as you’re not even close to touching me.

              This you?
              /50_epic_super_nerd_photos_16_20090723_1452604904.jpg

              Hahaha, censored of course. Wouldn’t want other Csmackers to die of fright.

            • Riddler

              Cry baby.

            • Riddler

              This is you at your very best:

            • Probotector

              Don’t you just love all the cumbersome words he’s using to try to sound intelligent?

            • Riddler

              Common sense? The only problem with common sense in china is that is it not very common.

            • whuddyasack

              You’re thick, mang.

            • Probotector

              So you’re saying that it’s asinine for whites to complain about someone of another race preaching that all whites should be killed, but it;s justified when Chinese people complain about a similar threat made against them? Several times, you said Chinese don’t hate foreigners, but clearly, you do.

            • whuddyasack

              Because that’s the implication of most Caucasians here against Chinese. “Chinese are jerks for getting upset over a kid FFS!!!” (never mind it’s Kimmel and the “adults” responsible being criticized). So what’s the difference? Besides the Chinese not preaching genocide or defending themselves on video?

              It’s this. We never made a response video suggesting we kill every white person.

              One more thing, I think White people have every right to be outraged at that Black professor.

              Chinese don’t hate foreigners because most would go out of their way to help them out. Though I can understand that this attention can be extremely annoying to you (no one likes to be photographed, touched and used as a free English tutor) and many others.

              I don’t hate foreigners because I’m a foreigner myself. In fact, I sympathize with Americans, Canadians, Brits, Australians, etc. who complain about immigrants that take them for granted and hate their hosts.

              The only foreigners that I dislike are those like the ones below:

              http://beijingcream.com/2013/04/neil-robinson-that-english-teaching-rapist-fucker/

              http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-16655833

    • 上官

      ABC is one of your liberal networks. How could I tell? Liberals are as racist as they are perverse.

      • Probotector

        You and I are in total agreement.

    • tomoe723

      in the picture above, it’s clearly a little chinese girl… so, did she say that “kill everyone in china” remark?

      • Chinese

        A Chinese girl? I’m Chinese yet I can’t tell.

        • Dage

          I’m not chinese, and I can tell. Cute little girl.

          • whuddyasack

            Haha perceptions. She’s wearing the same clothes as the boy. But I agree, that child is cute. Unlike Kimmel and the one that said those words.

        • tomoe723

          you’re racist to your own race? LOL

    • HURTSTHEFEELINGSCHPPL

      Soon all major broadcasters, journalists, and those in film-making will be shivering in the knickers that they might ever HURT THE FEELINGS of the “Chinese people.” Save a few people committed to their arts or careers, we’ve seen how effective Muslims have been at affecting the message of how they are portrayed. Everyone has some sort of fucking cause to be ‘outraged’ over these days. I can’t comment on whether or not it was planned for this kid to make this exact comment, but JK live is filmed in front of a live studio audience, and if I’m not mistake usually aired live. 25,000 losers petitioning the US president, who can barely manage his own life, as if he’s somehow going to force ABC to cancel this television program and have the child executed. I hope someone shits on your cheerios.

      • Kai

        You need to stop using multiple aliases. Please review our comment policy.

      • Probotector

        “Soon all major broadcasters, journalists, and those in film-making will be “shivering in the knickers that they might ever HURT THE FEELINGS of the “Chinese people.”

        They already are:

        Look at the outcry over Pacific Rim when the Chinese Jaeger fell first, or the re-editing of Men in Black III to avoid demonising Chinese people, or the specific casting of Chinese actors in Iron Man 3 and The Expendables 2 to appeal more to a Chinese audience.

    • LiRuiKe

      ABC executives should be fired for airing that hate speech.
      Americans, in general, are selfish and forget that they are all immigrants. Judgment will come, eventually. History repeats itself.

      The American government belongs in debtor’s prison.

      • LandonMars_KickYourAssatOlympx

        Ok, so let me get this straight – your views, that is. Late night comedy variety show gets edgy but this should be called “hate speech” to highlight the victim culture merchant’s point of view, so 1) fire all executives. 2) Extend this one moment, on one tv show, on one network, to define the nature of all Americans. 3) Connect this poorly some theory about what the national identity of America should or shouldn’t mean, while insulting them. 4) Suggest some sort of apocalyptic result also ties to this, with an undertone insinuating death/chaos SHOULD in fact occur occur by moral imperative 5) Now the “American government” should all be metaphorically hung as every single governing body from city halls to the POTUS are all in on the racket together. The poster is clearly above all this and has the knowhow and wisdom to wish all of these terrible Americans what’s ‘coming to them.’

        Oh those “selfish” Americans. http://www.peacecorps.gov usaid.gov gates foundation.org

      • mr.wiener

        Did you even watch the clip?

      • Asian Male Insecurity

        The difference between Chinese and European immigrants to the US is that the European ones actually have loyalty to their adopted homeland.

        Assuming someone else’s identity is quid pro quo, it’s not all take, take, take.

        • takasar1

          quite a stupid notion. in the highly globalized world we live in, the majority of us are merely chasing coin.

          • Asian Male Insecurity

            Then chase coin, but don’t water down other people’s identity by chasing acceptance from them too.

        • whuddyasack

          Wrong, Europeans have no more loyalty to their adopted lands than the Chinese or any type of Asian. In fact, they are much worse. Flyjins being a perfect example of European loyalty. Thank goodness most of Asia is waking up to this and it’s only a matter of time before China does as well.

          As for chasing acceptance, that would be you. Most Chinese couldn’t care about watering down your precious “identities” the same way you care about watering down theirs. The frequent tail chasing and cat calling towards an increasingly disinterested Asian diaspora female population the biggest lulz of all. Talk about insecurity rofl. We really don’t care what ugly, increasingly single and embittered White guys like you think. And if we really wanted to remain traditional, IRs would be non-existant and we’d set up groups to blow the brains of any creep attempting to rape Asian women ;-)

          • Elijah

            That’s why you always have Europetowns and Canadaville and Little America and Aussieton in every major city in Asia. And you know that they will only do business and interact with other “Westerners” like them. Not to mention the stench and mess they make on the streets selling their raw steaks and sacks of potatoes everywhere. Then there’s the issue of how many of them snuck in illegally and don’t pay taxes while importing all those counterfeits from their home country which destroys the local economy while sending all the profit back home to their family their. Aren’t they just the worst citizens ever? No loyalty at all eh?

            Also, I agree with you about Asian women. They would never think to be with a non-Asian man on their own unless they were defective in some way. That’s ok, because Asian women aren’t really people, more like natural resources for true nationalist to create a pure race to continue the noble crusade. Oh wait: http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_721fb3750100xvio.html (volume control is at the bottom of the article)

            Thank goodness my wife enjoys me raping her so much I suppose.

            • Germandude

              EPIC reply!

            • whuddyasack

              There actually are Eurotowns and Western enclaves throughout Asia. Not just in China, though but in Hong Kong, Japan, Singapore, Korea, Taiwan, Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand… the list goes on.

              However, while Asians are model minorities in Western countries, laowai aren’t exactly shining examples in Asia, especially in China. Many aren’t qualified to teach, have criminal records, do shady businesses, commit rapes, murder and assault. The quality of Japanese expats is much higher, but that’s because of far stricter visas, the Japanese aren’t as willing to take shit and I saw a video of an honorable truck driver kicking the butt of some Australian-Irish thug. It’s something Chinese can do well to emulate.

              Asian Americans, including Chinese are overwhelmingly patriotic compared to even European immigrants.

              http://digitaljournal.com/article/272348

              It’s not that they failed the state, the state failed them.

              I actually watched an Australian TV program where a Serbian mother strongly rejected a potential bride for her son because she was not Serbian enough.

              As for the pure race nonsense, it’s a fact that most Eurasian children look far more White than Asian… and marrying Europeans brings the East Asian population closer to Europeans and Africans. But what does that have to do with anything????

            • Germandude

              “Many aren’t qualified to teach, have criminal records, do shady businesses, commit rapes, murder and assault. ”

              Yes, right. And in contrast to that, Chinese immigrants in western countries are known to be the “creme de la creme” of China. Surely, it is known, that Chinese take over leading positions in basically all industries and institutions when going abroad. Meanwhile, the cooks in Chinese restaurants in e.g. the US, EU or AUS are all locals that like to learn traditional chinese cuisine and are happy that Chinese immigrants are so generous on establishing new job opportunities.

              Contrary to that, foreigners immigrating to China, as you correctly pointed out, are mostly criminals and rapists that are here because of China being so generous when it comes to the integration of foreigners. Leading foreign companies in China all hire top Chinese management because no westerner was either qualified enough nor up to the task.

              “As for the pure race nonsense, it’s a fact that most Eurasian children look far more White than Asian… and marrying Europeans brings the East Asian population closer to Europeans and Africans.”

              I cannot do anything else than agree to your statement again. Kids of a blond, blue-eyed Westerner and a Chinese turn out to be blond, blue-eyed and the only impact the Chinese genes have is that the kid of this mixed couple is slightly shorter than the average.

              /irony off, just to make sure you don’t misunderstand

              “Asian Americans, including Chinese are overwhelmingly patriotic compared to even European immigrants.”

              Yes, it’s common knowledge that nationalism is for the poor and uneducated. Look at a country in economical trouble and see the increase in nationalism.

              Dude, don’t bother to reply, I won’t read your nationalistic inferior-complexity shit. Troll elsewhere…

            • mr.wiener

              Man, the weirdos have really crawled out of the woodwork on this one.

            • Germandude

              Sadly, the comment section here is going downhill. Steeply…

            • mr.wiener

              …Oh good god man.
              If you were white I could picture you with a sheet over your head and a burning cross in the background.

            • Probotector

              So what are ou doing about expelling laowais from China. Stop bitching online and do something about it.

            • vincent_t

              Long comment but only the last sentence is meaningful. Feel sorry that you have to rape your wife. My wife seduce me instead. Guess that explains the long comment you put up

          • Asian Male Insecurity

            Wrong again. Every major dating survey shows something like 2-3% of white american males as listing asian american females as their primary preference, compared to somewhere in the region of 30% of asian american males listing white females as their primary preference. In short, the “creepy racial fetishists” are the asian men. You need only speak to your average white female expat in Seoul to understand this.

            The only people who think there’s some kind of white horde after asian women are asian men who are such incompetent dweebs they can’t even compete with fucking weeaboos for their own women. Don’t blame us for the fact our bottom feeders fuck asian girls, the rest of us have virtually no interest, don’t flatter yourself.

            • tomoe723

              this is probably the most informative post i’ve read describing east-west (asian-western) interracial cross marriage preferences. and it’s true. as elijah said, “asian women would never think to be with a non-Asian man on their own unless they were defective in some way.” and vice versa for western men with asian women.

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              Not for all. There are some, on both sides, where it’s fairly benign motivations.

              I just dislike the insinuation that whites are some kind of race who lust after asian women when the statistics about preferences clearly show otherwise.

            • whuddyasack

              Things in common with surveys, blogs and polls.

              >Western

              >Controversial

              >Objective (Not)

              >Good sample size (Not)

              >Accurate (Not)

              Which explains why articles even suggesting the opposite that Asian women prefer Asian men are met with the usual insecure tirade and a plethora of White men trying to tell us otherwise or pretending to be “Asian”. Or why if an Asian female actually even dares to say to oppose the stereotype, she is branded “Wacist” by the insecure, eh?

              Which explains why videos of Asian females draw huge views from many audiences, many times more than White girls. Typical viewers are European men along with their creepy fetish comments.

              Which explains why there’s a site”creepywhiteguy.tumblr” with all the stereotypical catcalls we’re all familiar with.

              No, I’m not flattering myself. Asian male here and I like Asian girls because we can laugh and hate on you bitter, single keyboard somethings together. :)

              >Don’t blame us for the fact our bottom feeders fuck asian girls, the rest of us have virtually no interest, don’t flatter yourself.

              Lol, at the weaboo nonsense. Majority of Korean/Chinese/Japanese women don’t intermarry as much as White Americans. And if they did, they go for mostly other Asian people. There’s even a weeb who admits he can’t ever compete with the average Japanese C-blocker. As one Western photographer put it, “Japan can be a very lonely place”.

              Your bottom feeders aren’t getting (fucking) anyone and neither are you it seems. White males have much higher single rates in America, and low birth/marriage rates. Sure, East Asians suffer from the same problems, but unlike you, our marriages actually last. Don’t blame us for your own impotency.

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              >Good sample size (Not)

              The OKC survey is the largest survey of dating trends ever conducted actually. More Asian men have a preference for White women than White men do for Asian women. Try again.

              >Which explains why videos of Asian females draw huge views from many audiences, many times more than White girls.
              >Or why if an Asian female actually even dares to say to oppose the stereotype, she is branded “Wacist” by the insecure

              Sorry ISN, these are naked assertions, you’re going to have to come up with more than “I heard one person say once…” type anecdotes.

              The simple fact of the matter is that if white males weren’t fucking asian females, you wouldn’t have a metric fuckton of asian male butthurt in the form of supposedly academic papers discussing the “interracial dating disparity”, legions of blogs like bigwowo repeating the same complaints about asian female “treachery” ad nauseum, endless threads on asian american male “communities” like AsiaFinest about the same interracial dating topics over and over again and so on.

              Your feigned detachment is laughable. You need only google the words “asian female white male” to see the scale of the butthurt.

            • Tee Kei

              you said europe? i’m guessing the UK?…… lets talk lets talk lets talk lets talk lets talk OWJZA ZU NZT.

            • whuddyasack

              >The OKC survey is the largest survey of dating trends ever conducted actually.

              So that’s your source? A dating site… lol

              I skimmed through that ahem “study”, and well, Asian girls have an acceptance rate of like 50% across the board (higher than White girls), while White guys have an acceptance rate of around 30%. Asian men prefer Asian girls, White men prefer Asian girls, specifically Japanese from what I heard.

              They even mentioned some subjective value (appearance). So much for unbiased lol. That said, I really do think you shouldn’t place too much importance on these surveys. It tells alot about yourself.

              >Sorry ISN

              Stop being obsessed. I’m not ISN, to be honest, I don’t even know who you are. Tell you what, you can pass the link where this ISN types though. Out of curiosity of course.

              >The simple fact of the matter is that if white males weren’t fucking asian females,…

              Never been to any of those sites nor really cared much for them. I’ve been to XO, 8Asians and foba though, and I saw mainly White people with the butthurt. I also checked some youtube videos (since my friends were telling me it was interesting) about AMWF and WMAF and in both cases, I’ve noticed a buttload of White guys initiating the butthurt and “Asians” responding in kind. The Asian being questionable, since you guys like pretending to be Asian, be it male, female or Japanese.

              Browsed around topix on the subject and just checked the addresses of said posters. It’s safe to say, they were just a bunch of White people and Asian posers posting.

              I attribute frustration to the growing difficulty in finding a partner and higher unemployment rates. Thus the rise of the WAM, or more appropriately, SWAM (Single White and Angry Male).

              >Your feigned detachment is laughable.
              Why would it be laughable and why feigned? Considering most Asian diaspora males find a lasting mate regardless while most Whites seem to be ever searching singles, lucky to even keep relationships.

              If anything, I find your butthurt laughable.

    • filabusta

      I can’t begin to count the number of times my students have pretended to kill the 老外老师 with their hand guns. I just play along and act like they really shot me. What a double standard.

      • Asian Male Insecurity

        Of course they have “Double Standards”, they see they can use the “racism” card to garner concessions from whites in a way that you could not do against them.

        The example I’ve always used is how a Chinese father who wouldn’t want his daughter to marry a white man would be considered “traditional”, sort of retrograde maybe, but not really particularly dangerous or malicious, whereas a white father who didn’t want his daughter to marry a black is regarded as the moral equivalent of the nazis.

        • mr.wiener

          If we go back 50 years these attitudes [in a white father] would be considered traditional also. China has some catching up to do, which it is doubtful it can happen in a society so un-pluralistic.

          • Asian Male Insecurity

            The question you have to consider Mr. Wiener is this: What advantage is there to whites to behaving in such a morally universalistic way in a world where everyone else is largely tribal in their moral outlook?

            Consider how it relates to game theory: It’s a surefire way to lose.

            I’m not say we become full National Socailist irredentists, but we need to be more careful about who we give citizenship too, it’s not just immigration laws that are lax in the West, it’s naturalization laws too. If you want to create a “civic identity”, then you need to be restrictive in who you give out passports to, it stands to reason.

            • Probotector

              First, I have to say, I like the cut of your gyp; forthright and to the point. To answer your point however, the game plan, in fact, is to lose. We are looking at the wholesale dismantling and undermining of Western culture and anyone who identifies as Caucasian in order to, I don’t know, satisfy the personal demons of an ever-growing liberal movement in the Western world that is hung up on apologising for the white man’s sins in order to curry favour with and appease the rest of the world. The end result, is, in their mind, that world peace will flourish as a result.

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              Yes, the “end result” is rather amusing isn’t it? It becomes progressively less amusing when you realize that this is what these people actually believe though.

            • mr.wiener

              Actually Chinese that come to the west and are for the most part model citizens that want to leave their old lives behind. They work hard, pay their taxes and serve in the military.
              Kinda like Mexicans ,but with higher aspirations.

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              I agree that they work hard, but their loyalty is indeed questionable.

            • mr.wiener

              People used to say the same about the Germans, The Irish, The Mexicans , Blacks, Jews, Russians, Italians etc…So what is that 70-80% of America’s population?

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              They had a shared, centrifugal point of common aspects of European culture and identity that could draw them together. It became more difficult the wider you cast your net, with East Asians, it’s doubtful if that net will constitute a meaningful identity at all. Identities after all are exclusionary by definition.

            • Kai

              You sound just like the Beijingers and Shanghainese referring to wai di ren.

              In general, a superior (in influence, not necesarily some objective notion of good/bad) culture will consume and convert those that fall under its sphere of influence (like the country).

              Most worrisome is that you see all of this as a zero-sum game when it actually isn’t. Every culture and society today is a product of an intricate evolution and cross-pollination of different past cultures.

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              A superior culture isn’t all-welcoming, it has standards in who it allows to become a part of it, one of those standards, at the most base level, has to be loyalty.

            • Kai

              No, a superior culture doesn’t have to be all-welcoming. What I’m saying is that a culture generally proves itself “superior” WHEN “outsiders” enter and are converted or otherwise coopted into it, WHEN the “outsiders” become “loyal” to it.

      • Probotector

        My 6 year old nephew does it all the time. Kicked him in the nuts, made him cry, was a good day.

    • Sean

      99.999999 percent of chinese people would kill their own mother to be able to live in the US

      • 用开水烫我!

        99.9999999999999999 % possibility that you would or already cheat on your wife.
        this is more realistic!

        • Dage

          99.99999999999999999% possibility that he cheated on his wife with your wife.

          Reality, bane of the wu mao.

        • Probotector

          99.9999999999999999% possibility you were dropped on your head as a baby.

          • Germandude

            Why are you so optimistic to give a chance of it not being the case?

        • Middle_Kingdum

          That’s not a very nice thing to say, dear.

      • Guang Xiang

        When I get to work tomorrow, I will ask five Chinese colleagues that question and see if it’s near your statistic.

        • whuddyasack

          Probably not. Migration rates to the US have been on strong decline. The US government seems desparate to bring in more Chinese wealth to counteract their bankruptcy and lost of business.

          Also, many Chinese are moving back. And Americans are flocking in.

          3 million vs 6 million Americans in China.

          • TheSOP

            Care to cite that? Even your Chinese state media acknowledges 10s of millions of Chinese want to immigrate to America, a land where they can enjoy freedom from predatory Chinese government officials, toxic air and water, and live in a true multicultural society that respects immigrants. 6 million Americans in China, haha, they wish, or actually I bet they would be scared! As usual a racist bigot like you doesnt know reality from fiction.

            “The US is the most desired destination for worldwide potential emigrants, and about 23 percent of them, or roughly 150 million people, want to move there, including 22 million from China, followed by Nigeria with 15 million and India with 10 million. “

            • TheSOP

              Besides Americans go to China to work, maybe marry a Chinese girl (occasionally guy), Chinese immigrate to America to become Americans. You are so blinded by you racist bigotry that you cant see up from down.

      • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

        Id kill mine if they tried to make me live in America.

        • Kiwi

          Good comeback lol

          • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

            HSBC: China the best place in the world to be an expat

            Here’s the top 10:

            1. China

            2. Germany

            3. Singapore

            4. Cayman Islands

            5. Australia

            6. Canada

            7. Russia

            8. Belgium

            9. United Arab Emirates

            10. Hong Kong

            • Kiwi

              your point?

            • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

              I made the correct decision choosing number 1 and not number USA and the bank agrees with me.

            • Kiwi

              Sesshh

              people just can’t take a compliment

    • TBone

      And how are the Chinese raising their kids? Oh yeah, they teach their kids that Japan is lesser and their people are crap. Not to mention the other incidents of using the subway and sidewalks as the restroom.
      Yeah, those are real envious parental methods

    • MyMotto

      Kids say shit, I highly doubt his parents nor the government are feeding them anti china sentiments…just tell the kid thats not a nice thing to say and move on.

      • mopedchi

        It’s a late night show skit. The kids are actors. The are given lines to say. You people acts like it’s a real round-table discussion or something. Do you take everything published in The Onion seriously?

    • Dage

      This boy talks like he’s lived in mainland china for a few years!

    • I agree

      Big deal only people with low self esteem will get offended. Everyday mainland TV spill shit on killing Japanese, I say we round up all mainlanders and gas them and put it as a TV show on repeat 24/7 on 7 different channels just like how Chinese TV have on the japs.

    • Alphy

      Alright first of all, the joke was in poor taste, ABC should just apologize if they haven’t already.

      I am reading the comments and the vote option of the article, do people understand that these are kids in a satire show to make fun of American congress? They are making stupid comments to be funny… It’s a satire… What’s with this stupid choices like in question 2. Whomever wrote that poll obviously do not get satire, and are over thinking this whole thing.

      • tomoe723

        yeah, in fact ABC should also apologize to congress for putting them in bad light.. the chinese still have faith in american democracy you know…

    • Exman

      If any of you say that the Chinese are going over the top in their reaction then you are a dumb cunt and need to shut the fuck up. Different cultures have different perspectives on what constitutes or passes for a joke. America tends to push the boundaries to the extremes and is very insensitive in that respect. This kind of comedy is pretty much non-existent in China so of course would be perceived as disrespect. Also I don’t think it’s just China, any country’s people who heard that would be pissed off. They wouldn’t care if it’s satire, the very fact that people dared to say those words would piss them off. People say words have no meaning if no meanings are intended, but words themselves do have meaning because we understand them and hear them, and people who think from that perspective would definitely be offended. So shut the fuck up all you racist cunts.

      • Probotector

        I agree that the Chinese should be indignant, but anyone who disagrees is hardly a racist for doing so. Please stop over-using this term whenever a non-white person’s grievances are challenged, it got old a long time ago.

      • Asian Male Insecurity

        Yes, quite right. Chinese just spew genocidal racial hatred openly, there’s no need to joke about it.

        • whuddyasack

          Any examples? Any proof, like this whole article? Man, you guys sure have no respect nor manners. It’s pathetic to make lies up.

          • Asian Male Insecurity

            >Any examples?

            We can start with any anti-Japanese protest in mainland China. You know, the place where your compatriots beat each other into comas for driving Toyotas?

            >Manners

            Your entire culture is built around a lack of manners and respect. The only thing you understand is bowing to whomever has the biggest stick and is most willing to use it. Again, the average Westerner is far, far more polite than the average Chinese, and that goes for Americans too.

            • whuddyasack

              Rubbish. Which explains why the “Kill Everyone in China” is acceptable right. And why neither the Japanese or the Chinese revel in this.

              Since you base on stereotypes, the average Westerner is rude and disrespectful. It’s mainly projection you speak. The average “Asian” is polite and respectful. That’s why teachers prefer to teach Asian students, and why the average Westerner doesn’t even want to teach in the countryside full of rambunctious White teens.

              >We can start with any anti-Japanese protest in mainland
              China.

              Which I already explained was widely condemned by surprise, surprise, Chinese. However, French people bashing foreigners around seems to be acceptable, nothing is said about race riots in Greece, Sweden and Germany.

      • whuddyasack

        They are very insensitive. The Chinese are not alone in this regard. Even the Japanese, Brazilians, Russians, Koreans and Hispanics have to deal with their lack of tact.

        Thing is you joke about Pearl Harbor or 9/11 and these human worms fly over the roof with rage. It’s hypocritical yet we have to learn to accept this because otherwise we be “wacist” to pwool ole yankee doodle.

        I don’t think being racist cuts it for such pathetic trash though. But I do agree with you that these guys need to STFU. It’s sickening enough that they don’t feel apologetic or bad about this but to exacerbate the issue? Come on.

    • Probotector

      This shouldn’t have been allowed, but, come on, like words similar to this, directed at another nation have never been uttered in China. Granted, they may not have been broadcast, but it is guaranteed that the sentiment exists.

      • whuddyasack

        But it’s never been broadcast and even if it was, it’ll be met with complete condemnation (not just in China, but most Eastern countries).

        But then again, I guess it’s too much to ask to expect the same civility and respect Chinese people have for people’s lives. We better remind ourselves and get used to the fact that Caucasians are not Chinese people and have different sensibilities. I’m sorry for expecting better from you.

        • Probotector

          No, if it were broadcast, it would be met with applause. Case in point. the rhetoric of Yang Rui. Remember him?

          Were you keeping a straight face when you said “…respect Chinese people have for people’s lives”?

          • whuddyasack

            “There were only a ~3300 forwards and ~1600 comments of this microblog post so according to Chinese internet standards, this was not very popular.”

            So did Yang Rui propose going around the world into every White country and killing all it’s inhabitants? Didn’t think so.And for every applause, tonnes more disapproved of his message.

            • Probotector

              My point is that many Chinese people are anti-foreigner, I’d like to hope not a majority.

            • whuddyasack

              Then you have nothing to fear. Most Chinese aren’t anti-foreigner and are very friendly. Maybe anti criminal foreigner, but most have nothing to fear.

            • Probotector

              Wrong.

            • whuddyasack

              Now that’s an opinion.

            • Riddler

              That’s what this comment section allows for. Opinion.

            • Probotector

              I can’t believe he said “most Chinese aren’t anti-foreigner”. That’s more blatant than when the Nazis said “it’s just a shower”.

            • Riddler

              “I can’t believe he said”

              That applies to everything the twirp has to say.

            • whuddyasack

              Isn’t that obvious, Travis Einstein?

            • Riddler

              So you posted the obvious when you posted ‘now that’s an opinion’?

              Stop chasing your tail.

            • whuddyasack

              No, it’s not. Because you could take it “wrong”ly as fact. What’s obvious is everyone is entitled to their opinion.

    • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

      Its sick shit, why are yanks even trying to defend it, totally pathetic, its just making Americans look more and more stupid then they already look already..
      The same people on here who argue why do Americans get dragged into the arguments about sht things that go on in china are doing the exact same sht now and dragging China into it, saying “oh china says this about japan” blah blah.
      Oh its American sense of humor why dont you get it? Oh we say bad things about our self’s blah blah.

      what a bunch of patriotic weak cnts you are.
      god every time yanks open their gobs i just want to throw up.

      I’m just joking,, testing if you really have got a sense of humor or your full of sht.
      Vote away tossers!

      • Probotector

        Yes, and us British are so clever and aren’t we?

        • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

          thick as sht, point in case.

      • linette lee

        because you chinese don’t understand American culture. lol.

        http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/667/8410/original.jpg

      • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

        the more down votes means double standards,
        just so your clear on this.
        I down voted my self.

        • linette lee

          hahaha….lol…you are too cute.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            Yeah, MrC is pretty cute isn’t he.

      • whuddyasack

        They are also dragging Japan into this mess. In reality, that’s an insult to the Japanese and to themselves.

        Because
        a) the Japanese are superior people morally and intellectually and polite enough not to do this and

        b) they just accentuate how pathetic they actually are.

        • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

          well spotted.

          • whuddyasack

            Yes, why else would they have to bring up Japan in every topic considering they too wouldn’t be so flashy compared to the Japanese. Non of who would defend or feel proud of a Kimmel style program…

            Sad really.

    • Angie Mac

      Anyone who says it’s not a big deal because the Chinese do it is reacting exactly the same way certain Chinese users do when they say things like, “but America does it too!”

      No excuse for this. In poor taste and offensive. Bad Jimmy! Bad!

      • whuddyasack

        Well said.

    • takasar1

      same old, same old. america needs a boogeyman, it plays into their ‘force for good’ persona/other related ideological bullsh*t and the chinese need to feel victimized to help justify their military ambitions.

      • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

        pathetic ramblings

        • takasar1

          says a pathetic rambler

          • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

            we should go rambling together fellow rambler!

      • TheSOP

        Says the sanlu drinking fenqing of a nation that still plays WWII dramas hours per day as part of a national masturbatory victim complex who lacks the brain power to see what a sheep he is. How quickly he drinks the Chinese government sanctioned swill served to him on CCTV and trots out his stale lines repeated verbatim from the government propaganda he regurgitates to foreigners, proud to display what he laughably thinks is his deep original insight into matters he is not mentally equipped to understand.

        • takasar1

          typical yank, embarrassing himself on the internet, making loud, unprovable accusations, assumptions (i’m chinese right?). playing world war two dramas? im not that different from the average american then am i? how quickly the yank insults something he cannot comprehend the import of, probably goes to bed at night believing the ‘american dream’ garbage his ‘free’ media imbed into him. a foolish sheep, walking straight into the slaughter-house, about to get f*cked with no Vaseline by the same people he thinks help to ‘protect his liberties’, thinking his system works naively plodding towards disaster, believing democracy will save him, happy to do his part in the great national effort against all those not american. i hope the Fed reimburses the moron, going onto random websites to attempt to troll, then again, he has nothing else to do, he is after all a fat high school drop out whose last date walked out on him.

          • Asian Male Insecurity

            What on earth are you rambling on about?

            • Probotector

              His insecurity about Americans and their value system.

            • takasar1

              so he can talk random unrelated crap yet i cant?

            • TheSOP

              I can’t make out heads or tails from it… should I drink some melamine brand Sanlu to enter his mindset? Dare we understand the brain-damaged ramblings of a sanlu addict?

            • takasar1

              just replying in kind.

            • whuddyasack

              How you’re an insecure individual who is also tasteless to boot. Hey, insecure angry WAM, wanna pick on someone who knows the proper way to treat you? Kimmel is just a stupid piece of jungle ape, his defenders a good reflection of their filth. Ha ha ;-)

          • Probotector

            So where are you from?

            • TheSOP

              I’m guessing he is an ABC that couldnt hack it in the US and then went off the deepend, finding the balm for his bloody exposed insecurities in an imaginary idealized Chinese construct that has no correlation to reality. But reality isnt his objective, primarily because reality is what makes him so insecure. Unfortunately this condition is not as rare as one would hope among ABCs and CBCs.

            • takasar1

              Lol, insecure? Is that so? I guess you must be so secure
              with yourself that you should easily be able to accept alternative viewpoints…wrong, you go crying fengqing as soon as you lose interest or the argument, like a child, the most insecure can usually be found accusing others of suffering from their own maladies . Whatever I am, I am thankful I don’t resemble your sorry state, poor misunderstood child, didn’t get into college/university, thought you could go make easy money abroad. Wasn’t so easy was it? I bet your little ramblings in the middle kingdoms bought you a lot of nightmares and bitterness. Happens to a lot of expats unfortunately, migrate, thinking they can make easy money elsewhere, soon wake up and realize how insignificant they are but instead of working hard or making the best out of a situation, these poor, lost souls decide to then wallow in pity and despair, lash out at the source of their problems all the while emitting bitterness that opportunity has left them behind. Broken, angry and repulsive. You certainly seem to fit the description

            • whuddyasack

              Yup, descriptions that fit him too well. He’s also insecure enough to lie about his sexual escapades with Asians. I asked a couple of girls about POS whether they thought he da man.

              ALL of them said he should learn to stick it.

            • takasar1

              The guy honestly seems like the average imbecile. China has more than its fair share of problems, some unique to itself and others similar to other developing countries but I hate it when people go to work there, have a bad experience and then come running to the internet with their tails between their legs. Its annoying. You made the decision to go work as an English teacher. Its your fault, you should have studied hard if you wanted to avoid this fate, yet, as all humans are inclined to do, you go blame others for your own ineptitude and inadequacy.

            • whuddyasack

              Agreed. Here’s another secret. POS doesn’t live in China nor is he a laowai. He’s just an American patriot just like that “wigger rat” Genxyz who still posts here. He’s posting from his trailer.

              It’s funny how so many westerners are now dragging Japan into this. The one thing that’s proven is their countries are just not good enough to make the mark and the Japanese are morally infinitely superior people in this regard.

              As for the laowai ingrates, I agree.

              The Japanese had it right that they often resort to “gaijin-smash” when they don’t get their way.

              “White pig go home!!” (Truer words cannot be said).

            • takasar1

              I wouldn’t be surprised. This guy was dragging japan into
              our conversation a while back, talking about how they are ‘less racist’ than the chinese. When I tried to correct him and tell him that in fact they are equal in that regard, idiot went ballistic, began talking about ‘sanlu’, constructing strawman arguments left, right and centre, just as he did above.

              I can actually respect the other guy to an extent even
              though I disagree with his opinions, this guys is just a dumbass.

            • whuddyasack

              That’s all he talks about. Sanlu.

            • whuddyasack

              Incredible isn’t it. Considering he has not been to either Japan nor China. Honestly, I don’t think inhabitants from either countries want him, despite his fantastic claims of sexual escapades there.

              Seriously, he’s offending only himself.

            • TheSOP

              Just showing your true racist colors for all to see, inferiority complex requires mental help, find some quickly.

            • TheSOP

              Yep that sums up the maturity of your ability to argue. You are a little racist scumbag, nothing more nothing less[fuckoff]

            • whuddyasack

              And all you’ve added to any argument are the words “racist” and “fuckoff” after getting refuted for your gross generalization nonsense.

              Real maturity there. Not.

            • takasar1

              (it’s so easy to lie over the internet) i am half chinese half swiss individual, my ‘lao jia’ is zurich and i now study and live in london. dont be too offended by what i said, i obviously meant none of those stupid generalizations regarding americans. i was merely replying in kind and showing the above poster how much of an imbecile he is thinking his little rants have any effect.

          • whuddyasack

            Thanks, I think you manhandled and gave that one the typical treatment he deserves.

            Always funny how he assumes everyone is “Chinese” for disagreeing with him.

        • whuddyasack

          Lmao, only difference is his level and thought and intelligence is way beyond yours and are at a level unattainable to you.

    • David S.

      Oh dear… Somebody hurt the feelings of the Chinese People. :(

      • TheSOP

        If a day passes where the feelings of the Chinese people are not butt hurt the world is out of whack

    • TheSOP

      What a bunch of drama queens (Chinese posters), some kid says something stupid and suddenly its “I knew all Americans want to kill us! Well they cant kill us because we’ll kill them!!”, morons the lot of them! And listen to these idiots crying when they constantly talk about wiping Japanese, Philippines, or whoever the government designates as the enemy of the day, off the map. Hypocrites and morons, the ones who need to be watched are the Chinese, they are becoming the most realistic threat to the peace and stability of East Asia.

      • Probotector

        A lot of dumb and insecure people are going to call you a racist for saying that.

        • TheSOP

          By watched I meant the Chinese state apparatus. Of course with the large scale espionage being committed by Chinese studying or working in the US they aren’t helping themselves out any and then wonder why people are becoming distrustful of Chinese nationals.

          • Probotector

            If a Chinese national enters my country, they are detained immediately, until they can prove they’re not intending to commit espionage or illegally stay.

            • jin

              If you had a country, It would be a country of mass hate/ war/ racism/ drug addicts.

            • Probotector

              If I had a country? So I’m stateless? Wtf.

              My country unfortunately is a country of mass hate/ war/ racism/ drug addicts, but that’s irrelevant.

              My point was that this happens to Chinese people especially because they can’t be trusted by our government. Most EU countries do this actually.

            • Kiwi

              If he had a country, you wouldn’t be in it

      • http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519421/the-first-carbon-nanotube-computer/ MrC

        racist

        • TheSOP

          yes, many of the Chinese posters are likely racists, making broad negative generalizations about America based on what some kid said. You are correct, seems there are a lot of simple minded easily manipulated idiots on the Chinese interwebs, and they leak insecure inferiority complex having losers onto the Free Internet— ewwwww

          • jin

            ok….. now let me change what the kid says, Lets kill all the blacks, Lets kill all the jews, what would happen??? the problem is not what the kid said, the problem is what kimmel said after. and that the producers didnt cut that scene away. you sir are a hypocrit and racist.

            • whuddyasack

              He’s very hypocritical and full of double standards. He’s also very dishonest.

            • jin

              Truth hurt him, so he downvoted you

            • Elijah

              Nope, I downvoted him and you because I feel fairly confident that one of you is a sock-puppet for the other.

              Either that or two people with very similar views that I disagree with and are easily proven wrong are voting for each other and down-voting others the same way.

              Either way, both deserve a down-vote. Ta!

            • jin

              and I downvote you and the other buttbuddies because I feel fairly confident that one/two or three of you is a sock-puppet for the other.

              Either that or four people with very similar views that I disagree with and are easily proven wrong are voting for each other and down-voting others the same way.

            • Elijah

              Difference between our opinions is that mine is based on empirical evidence collected from statistical facts like the census or credible surveys. What are your sources of education on the matter?

              When I up or down-vote someone it’s based on what I actually think rather than towing the Party line.

            • jin

              Ah yes ofcourse there is evidence that chinese childs UNIVERSALLY hate japan.

            • Elijah

              Yes, it’s called patriotic education in china. Then there’s the human instinct to go with the flow. Either of those would do it, together they’re universal.

            • mr.wiener

              I check everyone who comes on , no-one is sockpuppeting.

            • whuddyasack

              Yup, there’s a downvoting patrol here in Csmack. As someone put it, Csmack often attracts losers. We’re just the mop to clean the dirt. But as you know, dirt tends to stick.

            • mr.wiener

              “Csmack often attracts losers.”
              Gee thanks, come here often do you?

            • whuddyasack

              Well, I come to help staff sweep out the losers. And prevent a few of them ganging up the lone Chinese. It’s voluntary.

            • TheSOP

              And Csmack’s resident bigot/racist loser award goes to…… whuddyasack! (what a nut sack right!?)!|!!

            • TheSOP

              The opinion of a racist inferiority complex having sanlu drinker is honestly not that important, thanks for stopping by though.

            • whuddyasack

              And you’re not projecting? What’s up with the sanlu drinking?

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              You’re right in that Chinese don’t have the victim cred that Blacks or Jews do for obvious reasons, the same reasons whites have very little victim cred believe it or not. That’s not a vindication of the concept of victimhood as a political tool though, you’re missing the point.

            • jin

              Ah ok…… so ONLY when a race got mistreated, people are not allowed to make racist “jokes” about them? is that what you mean?

            • TheSOP

              “a lot of simple minded easily manipulated idiots on the Chinese interwebs” speak of the devil and he shall appear, oh look its Jin! You let a 6 year old with a sugar high saying blatantly stupid shit get you and your fellow sanlu drinking fenqing pals in hissy fit, that speaks to the maturity of you and your fellow Chinese netizens.

              I can go on any Chinese article about the US and Japan and find Chinese commenters calling for the death and destruction of either. Half of China’s day time television is basically hate speach created to cause easily brainwashed sheep like you to hate Japan and the West.

              In short you dont have a god damn leg to stand on you sniveling fenqing racist: fuck off.

            • jin

              Do i even live in china? why do you assume that i live in china? And ofcourse the chinese are the only one that calling for the death of others, you must be new on the internet. and are you perhaps mad? calling names and calling me a racist. you sound very mature,

        • whuddyasack

          He is. Not only that, but a genuine POS as well. It’s hard not too look at him and think all WAMs are not fit to call themselves human based on his history of bigotry and racism.

          Watch out!! He’s going to pull the race card and cry victim. Lol
          Fucking jingoistic amerieuronazipatriot. USA! USA! Oink! Oink!

      • nqk123

        we live in a hypocrite world. it’s so laughable when Chinese talked about others nations invaded their land, but gloated/glorified when their nation invaded others. also, a very large population in china are not even Han-Chinese. I wonder how they became Chinese, they sure didn’t immigrated there.

        • TheSOP

          Yes, Chinese say stuff like “give America back to the Native Americans” when those idiots who dont even know their own history are currently colonizing Xinjiang, Tibet, Qinghai, Inner Mongolia, Liaoling and many other non-Han Chinese lands… morons. China is among the world’s largest imperialist powers but they like to cry victim with the blood of others on their hands.

        • whuddyasack

          Yawn, Chinese don’t gloat. Japanese don’t gloat. Native Americans, Inuit, Manchurians, Koreans, Tibetans, Central Asians don’t gloat. Thinking about it, I’ve only ever seen Whites boast about military conquest and invading others. Along with Arabs and Mexicans of course.

          • TheSOP

            Racist bigot, nuff said

      • jin

        Its not a hate speech, when the kid says it, ok i can understand, then explain why jimmy kimmel said “that’s an interesting idea” and “Why we should kill ALL the Chinese to solve our own problem?” and why ABC didnt remove that part? Is Mr. Kimmel suggesting we should deal with the Chinese as Hitler dealt withthe Jews in the World War II?

        • TheSOP

          Obviously perverse humor and sarcasm are beyond a simple minded sino-racist such as yourself. I think the show is stupid and cringe-worthy, that you and your fellow sanlu drinking Chinese netizens think its an international incident just reflects your own lack of maturity, and frankly given Chinese penchant for calling for the death of Japan or gloating at terrorist attacks/deadly accidents in the US, I am not willing to give you single “give a fuck” card about you or the “Chinese peoples” feelings on this childish matter. Get bent loser

          • jin

            OOOOH! wait! wait! Im a racist? when did i ever show any sign of racism? From what you have said on this site, i would say that youre the racist.

      • whuddyasack

        TheSOP strikes again. FYI, most Chinese DON’T constantly talk about wiping Japanese, most condemn violence against them and don’t begrudge innocent Japanese civilians.

        Most don’t know enough about Philippines or Filipinos to talk about killing them all and most are like the mother with the daughter. We’re taught that such words and thoughts are wrong.

        Can we expect the same civility from WAMs? NO!!

        Can’t believe people from a “civilized” country like the US can let “innocent” kids talk such filth and vitriol. ASIAN/NATIVE AMERICANS the exception.

        And you say I have inferiority complex to such trash like you? Please, I don’t even want to be in the same category as some human shitbags that talk this way and excuse this nonsense by victim blaming. Get it, you POS? (LoL nice name btw)

        It’s been something I’ve been talking about all along. It was inevitable that the cat was out the bag anyway.

        • Curt

          Again, you are totally full of shit. But since you are an angry sea turtle you couldn’t be expected to understand the violent hatred of Japanese, Filipinos etc. that exists in China today.

          • whuddyasack

            It doesn’t exist. Been there, done that. Actually, Japanese expats in China don’t raise nearly as much stink as you angry “laowai”/gaijin do. Violent hatred my behind. When was the last time a Filipino or Japanese got lynched in China? They don’t even know Filipinos are.

          • whuddyasack

            There is no violent hatred. Comparatively, I’ve been far more disappointed with American/Canadian/French, etc comments than the Chinese OR Japanese. I stress on Japanese.

            Did you know that during the anti-Chinese riots, tonnes of Chinese blogs “condemned” those acts and refused to acknowledge the violence as just. No Japanese were hurt, but some Chinese were (which I thought was a bad reflection on the rioters).

            Disappointed because of how narrow-minded and disrespectful you people really are. It seems White people really are the definition of big words but small hearts.

            You sound very angry with words like “full of shit”. Is that projection?

        • TheSOP

          I’d reply but I’m scared I might get some of your sniveling self-serving inferiority complex on myself, and that would be gross. In short: fuck off insecure racist wanker.

          • whuddyasack

            What inferiority complex? To the likes of you. No thanks. I’d prefer my sanity.

        • TheSOP

          You are a bigot and racist, nuff said

      • KAMIKAZIPILOT

        You remind me of someone else who used to post here. Is that you?

        • whuddyasack

          He does doesn’t he? He’s also that POS guy who used to harrass you like crazy.

          He’s a very familiar voice and why does he bother to twist words around:

          “I knew all Americans want to kill us! Well they cant kill us because we’ll kill them!!”

          Most Chinese never even talk about killing Americans the same way Americans talk about killing Chinese. Must be on some strong medication.

          • TheSOP

            Its kinda funny and pathetic how you crawl around sniveling for allies. You are racist scum, nobody wants to touch you with a 10 foot shit stick.

        • TheSOP

          Must have been a charming fellow, certainly not a piece of shit like this racist bigot whuddyasack fellow

    • Kg

      This kid does not know anything, you dont have to kill anyone. The smog is already doing it its the main case of cancer in China very bad air and smog.
      Plus lets not talk about the food so much tanted food, old out dated, some people selling dead pig meat so on, so on.
      Plus the pay is so low for doctors in China people die in the hospitals.
      Plus it not might seem like it to many Chinese still living in China that Americans do love Chinese in our country they own all the famous Chinese food places and many cool shops, plus many are learning Chinese. You dont hear Japan saying anything about how Chinese want to kill japanese. This kid who said this has no clue i am thankful they took it off and i hope ABC gets fined for it allowing something so stupid to be said on TV.

      • whuddyasack

        Actually that’s because Chinese aren’t talking about wanting to kill Japanese and kids there don’t actually talk about killing all the Japanese in the world. Vice versa.

        Did you know that Chinese actually have 3D, flexible X-rays while in America, I hear you guys lack health care. And what’s this I hear of Trayvon Martin being a circus monkey and Martin Luther being a “motherfucking negro”? What’s with the Mexican/Jamaican gang wars and the massive rapes of Native Americans?

        It’s important to note, no one is blaming the kid. More like American media, which is famous for it’s racism. The US is famous for producing race-baiting articles that promote division.

        • Curt

          Um, if you use any Chinese social media you can see Chinese people of all ages demanding a Tokyo Massacre or complete eradication. Full of shit much? The daily anti-Japanese media in China has absolutely no parallel in American media. But I guess you think that’s ok because the Jap devils deserve it, right?

          • whuddyasack

            No, you’re the one that’s “full of shit”. If American media was better than the Chinese media, than why aren’t there any Chinese children talking of killing all Japanese people like in this American shithouse production? We only have the words of Westerners saying this.

            No one deserves a massacre. The Japanese understand this, the Chinese understand this. Only truly low people don’t understand this. Then again, White people can be very insensitive and tactless.

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              >the Chinese understand this

              No they don’t. Ask any Chinese first gen rich why they oppose democratization in China and you’ll get more or less the same response:

              “They’ll just vote for whoever promises to bomb Japan”.

            • whuddyasack

              Yes we do. Which is why spiels like these are always condemned. Just admit it, you’re rude and inappropriate and despite trying to pull the Japanese card, failed miserably.

              Your words are truth now? Considering how obvious you’ve made it that you hate “Chinese”, not just the main landers I doubt you have any relations with first gen rich Chinese lol.

              Here’s my experience, most Japanese I talked to think that White Americans won’t ever allow good relationships between both countries and that westerners can be very coercive in their viewpoints. They are right judging by the comment panels here.
              Weaboos especially hate this lol. Unlike you, I don’t put words into other people’s mouths. And I don’t hate Japanese.

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              Yes of course, Westerners are the ones behind China’s attempts to seize sovereign Japanese territory. If not for them Japanese would love their epicanthic-folded cousins!

            • whuddyasack

              Not really blaming westerners on anything. Don’t really know how you interpreted it that way. Just raising some points some Japanese (and Chinese) made. Which sort of makes sense, Westerners don’t really gain anything from good relations between C,J,K. Instead they stand to lose much more. Weebs of course would be the biggest losers, which is also why they are the most virulent in starting the Oriental wok.

              Given your previous reactions, is it really something unusual that some think that way? Heck, even I think your reactions are odd, given you are neither Japanese nor Chinese.

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              Japanese don’t gain anything from good relations with China either, neither do South Koreans, since the PRC has made it abundantly clear that “good relations” for it constitute getting whatever they want in terms of territorial shelves and drilling rights.

            • whuddyasack

              So why do the politicians in Japan frequently address closer ties and reconciliation with China a key objective in foreign relations. Likewise with South Korea? It’s obviously deeper than that, and that’s on a political level. Those “good relations” terms are more or less your words and thoughts (obviously jingoistic) don’t reflect reality. Even if you are neither C,J or K. You live in “Europe”, remember?

              The point is good relations with China/SK include solving territorial and historical disputes, the former being more important IMO. Notice how I never said solving it in the PRC’s favor?

              Good relations between C,J, K however have no real benefit to Western nations since thinking about it, Japanese and Koreans are your competitors.

              And that’s just politics. Relationships between citizens is different. I’ve yet to meet a single European who splits the difference (though they/you say you do). While in my conversations with Japanese netizens, the distinction is very clear and no matter how heated the argument, they never resort to backhanded insults and talks about killing innocent Chinese civilians. That’s actually crass.

            • whuddyasack

              Another server error again, oh wells.

              So why do the politicians in Japan frequently
              address closer ties and reconciliation with China a key objective in foreign relations. Likewise with South Korea? It’s obviously deeper than that, and that’s on a political level. Those “good relations” terms are more or less your words and thoughts (obviously jingoistic) don’t reflect reality. Even
              if you are neither C,J or K. You live in “Europe”, remember?

              The point is good relations with China/SK include solving territorial and historical disputes, the former being more important IMO. Notice how I never said solving it in the PRC’s favor?

              Good relations between C,J, K however have no real
              benefit to Western nations since thinking about it, Japanese and Koreans are your competitors, since they don’t really buy your crappy, expensive Euro brands and have their own.

              And that’s just politics. Relationships between citizens is different. I’ve yet to meet a single European who splits the difference (though they/you say you do). While in my conversations with Japanese netizens, the distinction is very clear and no matter how heated the argument, they never resort to backhanded insults and talks about killing innocent
              Chinese civilians. That’s actually crass.

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              >So why do the politicians in Japan frequently
              address closer ties and reconciliation with China a key objective in foreign relations.

              Hahaha, are you seriously asking this question as some kind of proof by assertion? What do you expect Japanese diplomats to say? “We don’t want diplomatic relations with China and generating enmity is a clear policy objective?”

              That’s the standard, generic foreign policy spiel-line between any two countries where one isn’t an international pariah you complete buffoon.

              >Good relations between C,J, K however have no real
              benefit to Western nations

              They’re irrelevant to us, your standards of living will always be shit because you populate your lands to barest subsistence levels and have zero sense of a civic society.

              Anyway, your paranoid delusions about Westerners fermenting the bad relationship between the PRC and her neighbors aside: The real reason South Korea and Japan have a low opinion of you is because of 1) Your policy towards your neighbors, which has succeeded in alienating just about every one of them with the exception of Russia, and you’re working on them too with the Siberia rhetoric and 2) Because Chinese people are just fucking unpleasant to be around. Even other Chinese people think so, hence the mass emigration and the “Chinese dream” of owning an American McMansion in the burbs with some nice European luxury cars to go along with it. You are literally like a bunch of absurdly exaggerated caricatures.

              >they never resort to backhanded insults and talks about killing innocent Chinese civilians.

              Obviously, as they’re not Chinese drones like you. The point was never that Japanese make these kinds of comments, the point was that your denial that Chinese do the same can be proven otherwise by a quick visit to weibo and a cursory glance at what was said and what trended during the Tohoku Earthquake.

            • whuddyasack

              > What do you expect Japanese diplomats to say? “We don’t want diplomatic relations with China and generating enmity is a clear policy objective?”

              Tbh, the more you type, the more you prove me right. It shows that it is in fact you who has never been to any East Asian country, you don’t even follow the papers or actual trendings of the Asian internet. The fact is they could always leave out the reconciliation statements and not prioritize on China in their objectives in their own paper and most people of the world wouldn’t even know about it. They wouldn’t press for more cultural exchanges and talks between Korean or Chinese youth and vice versa. The truth is any Tom, Dick and Harry who has an iota of experience with actual East Asians would know most hope for better relations rather than war.

              It’s funny that the most jingoistic statements comes from Westerners, and it’s funny how you enjoy talking for people who aren’t even related to you, don’t want and don’t need “you” hahaha.

              >They’re irrelevant to us bla bla bla from the uncivilized uber Eurat. Wooow man.

              Of course it’s relevant. They buy your shit mang, while Japan and Korea compete with you. If it were so, there wouldn’t have been reports of the conflict printed on the front page in every Western paper.

              You wouldn’t even be trying so hard to argue the differences between C,J,K if it were irrelevant.

              On a side note, I’d be happy for Westerners to actually hold your views and leave the Chinese alone. After all, Westerners are only friends when they need China and have no honor. Oh wait, you’re posting in Csmack. How ironic lol.

          • whuddyasack

            So what happened to my reply to you? Server error? I’ll try again.

            Either way, I think you don’t know what you’re talking about and really describe yourself using words like “full of shit”.

            There are NO Chinese that would openly support brazen comments of Tokyo massacre and the killing of Japanese civilians. If Chinese really were so hell bent on killing Japanese, then why were they the first country to respond to the 3/11 Tohoku disasters? If I supported killing them “Jap devils”, I’d have made it known. In fact, I disapprove over any talk that degrades into mocking natural disaster survivors, war victims and “genocide”.

            In Kimmel’s program, the kid actually suggested killing ALL Chinese, to his glee. If not for the “Chinese” American protesters, this rubbish TV would have been published.

            You are right, there are no parallels between Chinese and thankfully Japanese TV and commentaries to American ones. We don’t have the heart to find this hog material “funny”.

    • Donald

      As an American, I can tell you that we don’t want to kill all the Chinese people. We want to sell everyone of them a Ford, a big mac, and a big screen TV.

      • TheSOP

        Besides American can’t compete with Chinese when it comes to killing Chinese…. Mao Zedong, the old std infested pedophile helmsman, showed that he could kill even more Chinese and non-Han Asians than the imperial Japanese. I heard thats why they hung his portrait in Tiananmen, to celebrate the greatest mass murder of Chinese in the history of their civilization, sick buggers.

      • Cauffiel

        Isn’t that the same thing?

    • TheSOP

      Mao Zedong the old std infested pedophile helmsman of the PRC killed more Chinese than any other person or state entity in the history of Chinese civilization and they hang that balding dirtbags picture in Tiananmen. So I’m not sure why the Chinese are upset with this kid, he is just following in the foot steps of the “Great Helmsman”??? Maybe they should hold a parade for this honorable little Mao in Beijing? Am I wrong?

    • winterbitten

      Shit like this is fucking ridiculous, because I have 12 year old students just this past Sunday saying that Ultraman is a villain in China because he stopped entities from destroying Japanese cities. Can you imagine what would happen if I asked their parents to talk to them about a comment like this? I’d either get fired, reported to PSB, or laughed at.

      I would honestly like to ask any of you who watch Chinese movies/tv shows if there are any instances where someone says to kill all the whatevers. there’s gotta be at least one thing.

      • whuddyasack

        Lmao, cut with the fake stories mang. There are no Chinese talk shows where Chinese children talk of killing whatevers, to get approved by some uncivilized adults.

        • winterbitten

          Why would I need to lie about this? Topic was Super Heroes and Villains. I asked groups to give me 4 of each, and tell me why they are what they are. A group of boys gave me that answer, take that how you will.

          Also practice your reading comprehension. I said nothing of talk show or children.

          • whuddyasack

            By talk shows I meant like Kimmel’s.

            To be honest, the reason why I don’t trust anecdotes is because so many people seem to have such over the top stories specifically to prove a point. I’ve personally been to China and found it rather uneventful in terms of conflict. People there seemed to mind their own business if anything.

            For what it’s worth, I’ve volunteered to help out in classes and kids programs where overseas Chinese students intermingled with Japanese ones among others. Many were fans of the Japanese superheroes far more than the American ones. I’ve not known a single one talk about destroying Japanese cities or killing Japanese and vice versa. This is with direct contact with each other, mind you. 12 year olds were just starting to get shy.

            This extreme hate speech I hear so often about seems to come only from White foreigners… I wonder why?

    • lonetrey / Dan

      ALLLLLLLLLLLL THE FACEPALMS. That poll has me wondering if Chinese netizens have a major inferiority complex. I thought that was a Korean thing.

      Joking, joking.

      But lame humor aside, it’s easy to say these kinds of things when you’re unsure about who or what you’re talking about. This goes both ways. I’m sure I’ve said plenty of bad things, such as “Chinese people are savages!” or “Man, China is crazy dangerous. They hate foreigners, you should be careful of traveling there!” when I was 8 years younger.

      Before I really sat down and t took a good look at the craziness of it all, before Chinasmack was firmly established (yeah, we didn’t have CS 8 years ago!) I must have had plenty of misconceptions about China back then!.

      • KAMIKAZIPILOT

        I’ve never wondered if Chinese have a major inferiority complex, I’ve always known they do.

    • Alan Dale Brown

      Jimmy Kimmel left the comment in the show because it was obviously over the top and ridiculous. What a 5 year old kid says on Jimmy Kimmel is much more benign than, uh, say some of the nasty comments on ChinaSmack.

      • lucieeee

        comments on chinasmack are “loser generated content”, they don’t get national exposure of 2-3 million people and thus arent held to the same integrity and decency. if you try to deconstruct the humor, JK Team was aware of the taboo factor and thought they could get away with it sans repercussions.

        i dont even understand why people are trying to defend him. ABC Network obviously agrees Jimmy Kimmel was in the wrong. they pulled his video off the official website and forced him to take down the video from his youtube channel. it was a mistake in production oversight.

        • Paulos

          “ABC Network obviously agrees Jimmy Kimmel was in the wrong.”

          Not necessarily true. ABC is a commercial network. To the executives there “right” means “good for business”, and “wrong” means “bad for business”. I highly doubt the decision to pull the segment and apologize had anything to with their moral compass.

          If you think ABC actually cares about the content or quality of their programming, try to explain Cop Rock.

    • Alan Dale Brown

      Besides, the kid’s comment isn’t about hating the Chinese … it’s about resolving debt issues. Have a little trouble making a mortgage payment? Go for a little visit to the bank with a friend in your pocket. Electricity bill too high? Sorry, Mr. Utility man. Time to pay off the bar tab? It’s been nice knowing you, bartender.

      It’s just a different way to resolve business transactions. Not hateful at all.

    • KAMIKAZIPILOT

      I wonder if you replaced China with another country (Brazil, Japan, Britain, Russia, Kenya), I wonder if the kid’s reaction would have been the same? Would he say “kill all Brazilians/Japanese/British? I guess that would be a better test of whether it was just a kid being a kid, or a kid being influenced by the negative perception of China in American media. I guess we’ll never know but I think it’s a little of both.

      While there is a large deal of anti-China sentiment in the Western media, there’s no way I think anyone should apologize for this. I mean it’s a statement by a 5 year old for Christ sake. Just let it be. There’s a saying “if you’re taking a lot of flak you must be over the target”, which basically means you pose a threat to someone, you’ll take a lot of heat from them. China should realize that as they become stronger, criticism comes with the territory. Stop being such a crybaby and get rid of the inferiority complex already.

      • whuddyasack

        I think the answer is that it depends. Although I think some stereotypes (Japanese and Russians) might be the same.

        I’d argue for the latter, the kid being influenced by media since I can’t think of a kid in Taiwan, Hong Kong, Japan or even China uttering such crass words. Even Asian born Canadians, Americans, Aussies don’t talk that way. The worst parts of course are the “adult” in the show reveling in that tripe.

        On the other hand, I don’t understand the Chinese obsession with apologies. Reactions like Kimmel’s and those of the “defiled, butthurt Westerners” here only serve to reveal how ugly they actually are. Not that it wasn’t known.

        I do agree with the crybaby and having more self-confidence thing, but also felt that show was pathetically low and the “Westerners” here are pretty uncivilized. Never heard a Japanese use such low words these days about killing all Chinese to be honest.

        And yet people like “Asian Male insecurity (LMAO)” wants to put Japanese in the same breadth as Europeans/Whites. Peleeeze. Not even comparable. You guys are civilized, respectful, polite, his group is rude, filthy, pathetically, unenviably repulsive based on these comments alone.

        • KAMIKAZIPILOT

          Requesting an apology for something a 5 year old said is inadvertently empowering the society where the 5 year old comes from. It’s like saying they’re so easily offended, even a little kid can have this effect on an entire country of 1.3 billion. Pretty pathetic. Too bad Chinese can’t even understand this concept, they’re too concerned with saving face.

          • whuddyasack

            I agree. Which is why I’ve never agreed on requesting for apologies anywhere. You’re right that that is empowering the offending society since my views on the netizens from the offending countries is that they tend to revel in it, and make matters worse than they really are. I mean apologies are just words, goodness.

            While I agree that an apology is not required, I still think it’s fair for Chinese or any ethnicity to look further into these matters cautiously because it reflects on general attitudes of the people living there.

            If the situations were reversed, I’d say the entire Caucasian population (and not just America) would be up in arms. (Asian male insecurity aka the wigger) being a case in point. Lives in Europe but cares about what happens in China.

            “My daughter is 4 years old. If she says something like: kill all
            the blacks, or kill all the Jews, I would definitely have a serious talk with her, because that is not tolerable speech.”

            This Chinese mother has the right PC mindset, however the White people aren’t so PC when it comes to the Chinese. Which beggars the question why bother.

            Thanks for proving that you can argue constructively without divulging into the usual riffraff seen by many here. I must admit, I expected more from the English speaking Caucasian population, but I’ve been spoiled debating with Japanese posters far too long.

            They at least know the concept of honor and tact.

      • Alan Dale Brown

        I think they said “China”, because that’s the country that the US is the most in debt to. If it were another country, the “joke” would come out the same. If it were Brazilians, yes, I’m absolutely convinced, the kid would say kill the Brazilians … it’s not about Chinese people being Chinese. Yes, it’s not the best taste, but it’s a bit ridiculous that anyone thinks that Jimmy Kimmel is actually supporting violence or hatred against the Chinese.

        • KAMIKAZIPILOT

          We’ll I guess we’ll never know. You think if Britain was the U.S. largest debtor he’d say the same thing? I don’t really know. Britain is portrayed pretty positively in the American public. Even little kids have been proven to be racist, but I’m not sure if this is racism or just kids saying dumb things, or both.

    • lucieeee

      ABC producers screened this prerecorded kids roundtable footage and allowed it to air. the kimmel producers would never have allowed such an insipid joke to pass if the kid had said something about Jews, or any other empowered, organized community. why do they think the chinese-american community would remain quiescent at an affront any other minority would challenge?

      • whuddyasack

        Exactly. It’s a fact we all know.

        People can say all sorts of things against Chinese/Asians but woe to the Asian that speaks out against this. Had the same thing been said about a Black, Hispanic or “White” person, then you’d be harrowed to no end with cries of “wacist”

        Racism cum ‘W’acism is just a European tool and card played when they are clearly in the wrong.

        • lucieeee

          your post sounds argumentative, but we hold the same views : (

          • whuddyasack

            Indeed we do. ;-)
            We hold the same view. While you’re a gentle soul and the voice of reason to these boneheads why this whole thing is wrong, I’m just the guy with the stick. I believe we need to talk in a more appropriate language to some of the pieces of jungle “animals” on this board.

            You’re doing great and keep it up. Consider me a fan and don’t mind my language.

            Don’t mind the thumbs downs from the usual insecure lot. You know who they are.

            At the end of the day, we’re the ones in the right.

            • Cauffiel

              There’s more intelligence on these comment boards than you’re going to personally encounter the entirety of your life.

              Don’t be so quick to run around kicking people in the balls.

            • whuddyasack

              There probably is, but how can one consider it intelligent to run around defending this rancid show?

              I do agree that there are intelligent people of differing viewpoints like Wiener, Frank, Kai, German or Elijah, but how intelligent can theSOP and “Asian male insecurity” (with their clones) really be?

            • TheSOP

              You are a racist so please dont try to play any sort of victim card hypocrite.

            • whuddyasack

              Yup, keep accusing people of being racist while being one yourself. If you wanted to know, my tone matches your own. So if you feel I’m racist, then you probably are as well.

      • Zhen

        We have the same problem in France

      • Asian Male Insecurity

        Yes, more victimhood! That’s what we need!

        There are many Jews who find the continual peddling of the Jewish victimhood narrative as nonsense and absurd and many who always have done. Cecil Roth is a good Jewish Historian who wrote about how ahistorical this view of the Jews as a group is.

        Please stop peddling this idea that Chinese-Americans are some beleaguered minority group who everyone takes a shot at. They’re amongst the wealthiest group in the country and are amongst the least likely to be victims of crime, so forgive me if I don’t shed tears for your hurt feelings. Find something else to galvanize your racial chauvinism Lucie.

        • lucieeee

          you’re trying to mutate the crux of my post and assuming you’re seeking to discuss our different viewpoints instead of courting unheeded provocation, it might be better to forgo your histrionics. nowhere did i cry victimhood, i’m well aware how powerful the c-a community is here as evinced by the efficient mobilization of OCA and region listservs, and ABC’s subsequent (albeit low-key) apology. unlike you, i’m not peddling any singular narrative of chinese americans because i understand my community to be amorphous; there exist both people who find it funny, and people who find the joke tasteless. again, unlike you, everything i have said has been grounded in reality- i’m addressing an existing issue that many chinese people in the US were annoyed by this stupid joke and felt it was an issue of equity that JK or another late night show of comparable status would never “joke” about “killing Jews”, while you are are setting up a straw man argument about “victimhood” and “galvanizing racial chauvinism.”

          people who find JK’s joke tasteless have every right to remonstrate, as you or anyone else has every right to traipse across comment sections searching to start arguments.

          • Asian Male Insecurity

            Of course it’s racial chauvinism, or are you really stupid enough to think these countless racially orientated lobbying groups, activism groups, blogs and mobilization strategies are for the purposes of “social justice” and “fairness”? It’s about what particular culture/race gets to dominate a particular polity/civic space. How many Chinese American organizations have spoken out about industrial espionage and spying? How many would support the US Federal Government in conducting such investigations against Chinese-Americans? Precious few I imagine, a fair few are probably fronts for the MSS already. How do you think the pro-PRC protests were actioned so quickly after the Tibet Olympic Relay torch protests? It’s well known in intelligence circles that it was MSS agents who provided the logistics for it.

            They’re for the tribe. Everything within the tribe, nothing outside the tribe, nothing against the tribe. If only you were honest about your racial nationalism, I could actually have some respect for you. Instead you hide behind post-colonial language and discourse, well, you aren’t fooling anyone with a brain. Sorry.

            • whuddyasack

              You know you do have a bad habit of taking things out of context, putting words into people’s mouths and twisting words and meanings around. It seems from these threads alone, your anger is obvious and it’s clearly you that’s insecure and loneleh. In fact, you’ve been the most transparent, malicious tool from the start.

              By the way, I think we’ve made it clear no one cares for your tears, nor for your European temper and impoliteness. The fact that Asian Americans (yes, including but not exclusive to Chinese) are the group most likely to be abused in public with impunity is already a known fact amongst people here. There’s even a White American youtuber who stated this.

              Us Chinese should lament this, while holding our head with pride that somehow we’re different from everyone else. The best amongst the rest.

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              >The fact that Asian Americans (yes, including but not exclusive to
              Chinese) are the group most likely to be abused in public with impunity
              is already a known fact amongst people here.

              According to the DoJ, East Asians in the US are the least likely group to be victims of crime.

              Cram your victim mentality up your steamed bun hole.

            • whuddyasack

              > least likely group to be victims of crime.

              Least likely because East Asians commit the least crime, are the smallest in population and also because of the reluctance to report. A non-Asian is more likely to violate an East Asian while for every other race, the offender is more likely to be of the same race.

              But you’re basing discrimination only on crime reports, in which East Asians blow the competition out of the water. No mention of AA (affirmative action)?

              A better indication of discrimination is rampant bullying.

              http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5ieIKEf6GvJAwc1iBJZ1itH-HGbyA

              http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/2013/04/asian-americans-often-feel-racial-microaggressions

              It’s 2013, no change:

              http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/education/asian-american-students-city-middle-high-schools-bullied-new-survey-reveals-article-1.1446530

              >Cram your victim mentality up your steamed bun hole.

              Sorry, I don’t see myself as a “victim” and neither do most Asians, who are not whiners by nature. As opposed to Europeans like yourself who cry “wacist” and complain about every damn thing, up to the size of your bum hair.

              Some people have very real issues to face and real achievements to make, while you sit in front of your computer calling yourself “Asian Male Insecurity” (lmao) bitching about how ISN rejected you.

            • Asian Male Insecurity

              >The
              “snapshot” study of more than 160 Asian American public school students
              by the Asian American Legal Defense and Education Fund and Sikh
              Coalition was released Thursday.

              Hahaha, wow, no agenda behind that one. Anyway, that’s from one city in one part of the US and has no comparative evidence to compare to other racial groups. In short, it’s meaningless.

              >Least likely because East Asians commit the least crime, are the
              smallest in population and also because of the reluctance to report.

              1) Population size is irrelevant. We’re talking about likelihoods of crime victimization here, not absolute numbers.

              2) East Asian crime rates themselves are also irrelevant, East Asians aren’t hermetically sealed off from the rest of the population.

              3) Your last point has no substantiation. Another naked assertion.

              >asians often feel microaggressions

              Duh, you have racial autism. “Microaggressions” is a neologistic term developed by “ethnic studies” cadres by the way, hence also meaningless and of no use in real psychological surveys. You may as well start quoting “post-colonial comparative literature” and homeopathic medical “evidence” too… Oh wait, you’re Chinese, you actually believe that shit.

            • whuddyasack

              For someone who loves arguing about the “tribalism” of non-Whites, the racial chauvinism of others (like really, it’s racist if Asians are proud of who they are, isn’t it?) and the “victim” complex of Asians, you’re the only one with a victim complex calling everyone racist.

              It’s actually a very typical tactic used amongst tribal, backward, uncivilized WNs so why complain just because you “feel” others do it. Personally, I think it’s simply because you just do it for the sake of “trying” to offend.

              There’s no need to even explain why your intentionally sloppy use of the DOJ’s data as proof is laughable at best.

              The statistics I gave on bullying, as well as AA and the youtube video where a White American stated that Asian Americans were the most publicly abused is proof that Asians don’t have it easy and should be proud of how far they’ve come in spite of this. Never whining unlike every other race.

              No, I don’t have a victim complex and don’t jump for joy at the prospect of killing White people. It honestly is just uncivilized and rude, but then again, White people can be very insensitive totally unlike the Japanese who happen to be our race. :-)

              There’s an old saying that if you don’t have anything good to say, then keep your pie hole shut. And that’s what would have ended your “hurt” lmao.

          • whuddyasack

            Thank you.

            AMI doesn’t even live in the US (according to him), hasn’t been to East Asia, doesn’t know anyone there and most importantly isn’t even one of us to be making that hostile remark towards you.

            Actually, I actually agree with you. This show is garbage and crass and people like you and me have every right to call it out for what it is as well as find the “kill all Chinese” rhetoric deplorable. Japanese Americans came up with a similar line of action when a really horrible movie was made about them, using slurs. I support them 100% too because that movie sounds lame.

            >as you or anyone else has every right to traipse across comment sections searching to start arguments.

            And that’s the truth regarding that pathetic whiner.

      • Cauffiel

        You’re very wrong about that. Jokes likes this are made about Jews, blacks, etc. all the time in American television. You probably don’t watch enough American television to know that.

        In those cases, exactly as in the case of this Jimmy Kimmel, it is satire and not meant to be taken seriously.

        The reason the JK joke is funny is because its so absurd.

        • Kai

          She’s wrong to say such jokes about other groups would “never” have been allowed to air because they have before and there has been similar offense taken with such people mobilizing to express their outrage.

          She’s not wrong to hypothetically pose whether the same joke targeting another group would’ve received more scrutiny from producers as a thought-experiment for how different ethnic groups are pereceived and considered by those producers.

          I think people should recognize both when something was intended as a joke and when jokes can also be offensive and lead to unintended consequences, including influencing the audience’s thoughts and desensitizing/normalizing thoughts that may be eventually become dangerous to do so.

    • Zhen

      American, fat people should look at their dark past history before to open their mouth

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

        And you should learn English before getting offended at remarks made in English, and then using English to insult the people who you think offended you.

        • Zhen

          Maybe, because english is not my native language, but i know i am not totally wrong. And parents of this kid should make a public apology.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            You ARE totally wrong. You just don’t realize it because you don’t understand English as well as you think you do. The idea of the parents of this kid making a public ideology on his behalf is utterly ridiculous. What they should do is have a (private) discussion with him and tell him why such thinking is wrong. But apologizing as if they’re public figures of influence is just silly beyond belief.

            • Zhen

              I maintain i am not wrong about the dark past history of the USA, as well as about the fact that there are a lot of fat people in this country. But why you don’t like my comment i offended you ?
              On the contrary i understand this video don’t think i am stupid. This tv show is unrespectful trying to make humor about people death, this type of bad joke doesn’t exist in China or other Asian countries, because we respect other country. Despite this, there is still people who defend Kimmel, this make me angry, and it is normal that a lot of Chinese are offended.

            • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

              You’re right about the USA’s dark history and large percentage of fat people, but you’re wrong about getting angry at Kimmel in the first place. If anything, be angry at the kid. He’s the only one who actually said anything ridiculous. Kimmel responded to the kid’s remark with SARCASM. Sarcasm is possibly impossible to understand if you’re not a native speaker.

          • lucieeee

            ma mère et moi sommes tous deux couramment l’anglais, et nous ne pensent pas que c’est drôle non plus. il est insipide, et j’ai le droit de se plaindre.

            • Germandude

              Quelle est la corelation ici?

            • Zhen

              Oui c’est un manque de respect total, les médias occidentaux (Etats-Unis et Europe) se permettent ce genre blagues sur les communautés chinoises et asiatiques parce qu’on est une minorité dans leur pays (contrairement aux juif et africains). Sans la réaction de nombreux internautes chinois, la chaîne ABC n’aurait jamais fait d’excuses.

          • Paulos

            Sir or Madam, as a native (albeit only second generation) English speaker who saw the segment I can assure you that the child was not actually suggesting that any Chinese people be killed. He was making an off-color joke intended to be disruptive. Apparently he was successful.

            This may seem strange assuming you’re from China, but let me share a story I’ve been passing around:

            When I was younger, my biology teacher once asked me why semen contained glucose. I answered “for flavor”. Of course I didn’t think that was the actual answer to the question, my only intent was to try to be funny and distract the teacher. I hope this helps you understand. No need to be upset.

            • Zhen

              It is sir, and i am an oversea chinese. Compare your joke with this joke it is just ridiculous, maybe you like this type of humor to joke with the death of people to try to be funny, but it must still private, and allow to diffuse this in a tv show, it is cleary a provocation made by american media.

            • Paulos

              Zhen, I understand your skepticism, but I assure you what I’m saying is not ridiculous. It was not at all a provocation, and despite using the name American Broadcasting Company, ABC is a commercial network that is not affiliated with the US government.

        • lucieeee

          what kind of logic is this??

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            Excellent logic. Being offended by something you don’t really understand is a very silly idea. And then trying to insult people in a language you can’t even properly use is an even poorer idea.

            • Guest

              haha

      • Kai

        Don’t open your mouth and negatively generalize other people if you don’t want them opening their mouth negatively generalizing you.

        • Zhen

          It is intentionally a provocation like this tv show made towards chinese people. Apparently some americans don’t like my comment haha.

          • Kai

            Except you’re not a child, and it’s uncertain if any adults responsible for the Jimmy Kimmel Live show intentionally sought to provoke Chinese people in general with malicious intent.

    • Karze

      Chinese officials officially used racial slurs against Tibet for last 60 plus years and still taunt Tibetans even to this day.

      So why are Chinese so worked up about a show where as they practically and officially use abusive racial slurs against Tibetans.

    • Karze

      Chinese have this hypocrisy “censorship at home and international expansion abroad”.

      • Cauffiel

        Part of the “one country, two systems” charade.

    • wafflestomp

      The BESTEST (yes I said it) comment ever:

      “”Give the American Indians back their territory. Pay back your debts to various countries of the world. Return justice to the world.””

      How about Tibet motherfucker?

      ^ Thumbs up for justice

      • Cauffiel

        Or how about everything outside the Yellow River valley?

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