Preferential Treatment and Status for Foreigners in China

Screenshots from "Laowai's Super-National Treatment" video discussing the preferential treatment of foreigners compared to the discriminatory treatment of non-local Chinese citizens in Beijing.

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Foreigners’ “Super-National” Treatment/Status

Beijing has two types of “lao wai“. One type are the wai di ren that come from various parts of our motherland, numbering 8 million. The other type are the wai guo ren who come from various parts of the world, numbering about 200,000. Chinese have always been hospitable, naturally treating “lao wai” with the utmost of care and consideration. In Beijing, they enjoy “super-national treatment/status” [preferential treatment and status above those of local citizens]. The only thing is, when it comes to “wai guo ren” and “wai di ren“, although there is just one Chinese character of difference, there’s quite a bit of difference in how they are treated.

Transcript of the above video (or view our English subtitled copy on YouTube):

老外 lao wai, short for people from elsewhere. This is then split into “外国人” wai guo ren [people from another country, foreigner] and “外地人” wai di ren [people from another part of the country, from out of town, outsider, non-local, migrant]. Both surnamed “外”, but one in the hearts of the people are elite, magnanimous, and high-class, whereas the other kind are often ridiculed: “You’re a country bumpkin!”

In Beijing, there are up to seven million “laowai” who have come from various parts of the motherland. There are about 200,000 laowai from various parts of the world.

China, as a country of etiquette since ancient times, is of course all about showing great consideration and hospitality when it comes to its treatment of its international friends! A foreigner who comes to Beijing to work and live can enjoy this series of super-national treatment [preferential treatment above the country’s own citizens] —— Home purchases, tax cuts, gaokao college entrance examination, education, multiple children.

Screenshots from "Laowai's Super-National Treatment" video discussing the preferential treatment of foreigners compared to the discriminatory treatment of non-local Chinese citizens in Beijing.

Whereas wai di ren, *cough cough*, as one of our own, let’s just not quibble over some self-sacrifice, okay?

So, what exactly is the difference with the difference in one Chinese character between 外国人and 外地人?

Firstly, house.

If wai di ren want to buy a house in Beijing, you have to pay five years of social insurance or have proof of having paid five years of individual taxes before you qualify to buy a home in this center of the universe.

If you happen to have had a break in the middle where you changed jobs and didn’t work for two months, or if your employer unfortunately also happens to be non-local, congratulations, you’ve won the lottery, make another five-year plan [of working for a local Beijing employer paying social insurance/individual taxes to Beijing].

However, it’s much easier for foreigners. You only have to work one year in Beijing, then you can buy a home, sell it, buy, sell, buy, sell, buy, sell~~~~ “I love China!”

Secondly, taxes.

One can never get away from paying taxes living in this world. Working in Beijing, any citizen who earns more than 3,500 yuan per month has to pay taxes. Whereas foreigners… due to [government] worries that high prices may result in them unable to get enough to eat or have enough to wear, only if they make more than 4800 yuan do they need to pay taxes.

If foreigners want to start a business in China, there are even more preferential treatment and happiness. Not only can you register [a company] smoothly, what is even more important is: 1. No taxes for the first and second year! 2. Half income tax for the third to fifth year! 3. Continued tax cuts after the fifth year (for some foreign enterprises)!

Thirdly, children.

As long as you’re a Chinese citizen, you better have less children and plant more trees. Whereas foreigners, you can have as many [children] as you want, you can even have enough to make a football/soccer team and it’s no problem.

Screenshots from "Laowai's Super-National Treatment" video discussing the preferential treatment of foreigners compared to the discriminatory treatment of non-local Chinese citizens in Beijing.

Naturally, once you have children, they’ll need education. As long as you get a “Chinese green card” [long-term/permanent residency], foreigners can enjoy the same educational treatment that local people’s children get. As for the children of wai di ren, schooling in Beijing? Taking the gaokao college entrance examination in Beijing? Impossible!

Previously there was a report of a wai di child who lived in Beijing with his wai di father, but in his senior year of high school discovered that he could not take the gaokao college entrance examination. So, he could only go to his mother who was far away in America, and after getting an American green card, everything was immediately solved.

“Teacher! This is my proof of admissions to the test, a green card.”

“No problem! The gaokao welcomes you, and 10 points extra [bonus to final score]!”

Though this was fake news, as long as a foreigner has [long-term residency in China], you indeed can participate in the gaokao in Beijing. Once in university, a high-end, luxurious, high-class foreign students dormitory is immediately available for you to move in. With air conditioning, dear!

Wai di ren can only be jealous, envious, and hateful!

Screenshots from "Laowai's Super-National Treatment" video discussing the preferential treatment of foreigners compared to the discriminatory treatment of non-local Chinese citizens in Beijing.

You see, in order to let foreigners blend into Beijing better, we truly bend over backwards and do everything we can. “Being a foreigner is quite nice.”

As for wai di ren, we might as well talk about the problem of achieving world peace.

However, what if “laowai” don’t want to live in Beijing anymore?

The haze [pollution] that lasted half a year made many foreigners consider returning to the embrace of their motherlands.

Whereas wai di ren

“Darling, I wanna go home…”

“Fuck you! You are only allowed to come back after you’ve paid off the mortgage!”

“What is this? We’re all “lao wai”, but why is our treatment so different?”

Because Confucius once said, “Is it not delightful to have friends come from afar!” It’s just that the further they are from, the more delightful it is!

Screenshots from "Laowai's Super-National Treatment" video discussing the preferential treatment of foreigners compared to the discriminatory treatment of non-local Chinese citizens in Beijing.

Comments from QQ:

色空:

In many of our countrymen’s noses, even the fart of a foreigner is fragrant.

╰★缘份★╮:

Foreigners saying Chinese people are an inferior people is one thing, but even Chinese officials believe its own people are lower class people. Cowards, weakness from one’s bones.

小楼听风雨:

Their children are all in [foreigners’ countries], could they afford to not treat laowai better?

LED亮化照明 吴R:

Laowai loses a bike and we’ll help them find it, but when it’s a Chinese person? Fuck, you can beg and they won’t care, and just make a report of it. If you have a dispute with a foreigner or go to court, China will only severely punish Chinese people.

√ ▲丶尕 叶:

It is precisely because of this that people abroad look down upon us. You see how people look down on Chinese people who go abroad, sigh, I wonder what’s wrong with China. Such a sense of inferiority.

甜美的小世界づ:

I completely do not understand, really. Why does a portion of Chinese people so blindly worship the foreign…? Truly it is baffling. They’re humans and you’re human too. Where are you inferior to them? There truly are too many idiots.

Bernabéu.:

Abroad, the people who are most bullied are Chinese people. In China, the people who are most bullied are Chinese people. I better hurry and return to Mars.

高高在上:

Being friendly and hospitable is right, but don’t blindly worship the foreign.

长青树:

Our countrymen’s mentality of blindly worshiping the foreign was all manufactured by our lousy government officials!

江豚的微笑:

Actually the laowai who come to China have all been washed out from their own countries, yet we treat them as treasures, shouldn’t we really reflect on this???

梦盈:

When can Chinese people be of one mind, united when facing foreigners, and have backbone!

拍拍GG男装时尚官方店:

I’m only going to say one thing: Late-Qing Dynasty. Nothing else needs to be said.

骏马:

Why do Chinese people only know how to push around Chinese people! Speechless!

2012:

The laowai in my office, has violated traffic regulations over 100 times, had over 60 points deducted [from his license], stopped so many times, but the moment they see he’s a laowai, they let him go.

健康第一:

How can we call them “laowai“? So uncivilized. We should greet them with “Hello, Mister Superior Foreigner!” Now that’s the proper etiquette of the Heavenly Kingdom!!

准男人~橙之:

Actually, not entirely. I think the government doing this [having such policies] is due to legitimate reasons. The current situation is only temporary. Sooner or later there will come a day where our country will be strong and powerful, walking in front [at the top]. Perhaps it is because we attracted foreign investment and high-level people [foreign talent] that this happens.

Screenshots from "Laowai's Super-National Treatment" video discussing the preferential treatment of foreigners compared to the discriminatory treatment of non-local Chinese citizens in Beijing.

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  • prototype666

    Chinese have a massive inferiority complex. So what else is new?

  • Roi

    You want to know why this is? Chinese people treat each other like shit. As a foreigner, I feel like I am treated like a normal person in China (most of the time) but I see Chinese people all around me being rude and contemptuous and vicious to other Chinese.

    As for the legal differences in waidi and waiguo, the difference is that we have a choice of where to live. The government can treat its citizens like cattle and you can’t do anything about it, but foreigners can just leave if we don’t like how we’re treated. China has to provide incentives for Westerners to come live and work here because the pay and quality of life aren’t great. That’s it. No mystery, Chinese peeps.

    Everyone knows the hukou system is old and broken, let’s hope the government can fix its policies so waidi people can get access to services. And Chinese city folks… it would help if you stopped treating them like shit.

    • The person who made the vid / post is hopelessly prejudiced. It should simply be about the treatment of migrant workers to outline how bad human rights are here.

      Using the stereotyped comparison to ‘foreigners’ being treated like gods reminds me of people back in the UK too like the BNP and EDL who look at a country broken by banks and their own elite rulers – but manage to bring a visible minority of immigrants to blame.

      • PoorChineseKid

        I’m Chinese American, I studied abroad last summer with my white classmates and I can tell you people treat my white classmates better than me even when im speaking English, i order something first, but white people get their order first, chinese people are 犯贱

        • Kevin Yu

          But is it the fault of the “white people”? Its not.

          What I see most of the times though is, that foreigners are acting (as long as they are not the standard asshole expats) far more “有素质”. They arent the ones throwing trash on street. They arent the spitting on their own streets. They arent the one just ignoring traffic rules all the time.

          I dont wanna generalize chinese, but I have to say there is a reason why a lot of people “worship” foreigners.

          Things I usually do, chinese friends of my gf were praising me for like walking the 10m to the next trashcan.

          To the other chinese, you look Chinese. You are one of “them”, even if you lived for how many years abroad. I wouldnt say that all Chinese are inferior, of course not, but their behaviour, their 博爱, their morals and such things are inferior.

          • linette lee

            Chinese outside China don’t feel or behave the same. The Chinese inside China don’t have too much interaction with the outside world maybe. Go to Taiwan, singapore, or even Hk. And Chinese living in the western countries don’t fit your description at all.

          • DavidisDawei

            Hi Linette,

            This is just one form of etiquette.

            I was in a long line at Disney-HK when a man with his wife and daughter walked thru the line, progressively pushing people out of the way to move in front of them. I was watching them come towards me, I couldn’t believe no one else in line was saying anything to them. Some people looked startled but said nothing, most ignored them. Long story short – they did not go past us.

            This happened again in HK the next day, two men in their 20’s. They ran ahead of us and others and then the line stalled. The older people were too afraid to say anything, but I have to admit I was a bit perturbed no one was saying anything, so I told them to go to the back of the line and one smiled at me, but then moved to the back of the line when I didn’t return the smile. The older people smiled and nodded their approval and clapped their hands after they moved.

            Most of the time, I tell myself it’s not my country and ignore it and let them do whatever they want, but have to admit there are some days when China wears me down, and on those days I say something.

            I don’t know if they were HK or Mainland Chinese…
            You live in NJ/NY now. What would happen to someone if they tried to do that where you live now? Do you think people Would people say something to the infiltrator?

          • linette lee

            Just read this, sorry. All I have to say what happened in HK disney land to you was just terrible. You bumped into a55holes who cut line. Anyone that is decent and grew up under hk education and culture understand cutting line is rude. Maybe those are just some HK jerks trying to play games or somebody not from HK and don’t understand the common practice around HK. Another thing is that HK local folks are sort of tired fighting with tourists with bad public behavior so they become less vocal and less likely to speak up. Tons of tourists in HK mostly from…I won’t say. And most of these tourists with bad public behaviors also don’t read signs or follow hk laws. It’s like that daily and the local hk folks are used to it by now and sick of it. Too much fight.

            In NYC cutting line will get someone killed. lol. Zero tolerance. Nobody will tolerate that.

          • Augustus234567

            Oh please, don’t even Pretend that there are “qualities” of “white people” that make People treat them better.

            It’s because of the perception of white people and countries having more money and power, which ironically came out of centuries of treating other people like shit.

            a man from London, England is definitely not treated the same as a man from Kosovo, Eastern Europe) is not treated the same as a Serb)

          • Kennedy Jamal

            Not surprised at all at the anti foreigner sentiment comments .. to some
            chinese seeing a foreigner drinking water should be against the law

          • DavidisDawei

            Good examples Kevin.

            “China, as a country of etiquette since ancient times”
            I had to chuckle at that line….

            Every culture has its share of brain dead people, but when in China (including HK), I have experienced the Chinese idea of etiquette; which is,
            If they see or want something, everyone else be damned, get out of their way or get run over. They feign ignorance, but they know exactly what they are doing and figure no one will call them on it.

            The first time I returned to China, It didn’t take long to be reminded that life in China requires a different approach/mentality.

          • Mateusz82

            It still has etiquette, like shitting on the street, smoking in elevators, and throwing trash everywhere.

          • Guest

            A few weeks ago, I was walking down the street in Shanghai. I saw a man with a little boy walking towards an intersection. The light had just turned green. He picked up his son and crossed the road. When he got to the other side, he put his son down on the pavement. I remember thinking to myself, “What a good father.” This was quickly followed by the thought, “Wow, my definition of a good parent has completely diminished since I’ve been in China.”

        • This sort of thing has never happened to me once here. Some people are nice, sure, and other are totally racist to me. It’s a mix and the way the poster describes things above is a total stereotype. Also, what’s that complete BS about getting your bike back! If your bike is stolen its gone, end of story and there’s nothing going to happen. If you live here and read that particular point, you just immediately know the poster is deluded. By the way, I believe you get prejudice in China – overseas born ‘huaren’ are yet another group in China on the receiving end of shitty prejudice.

          • northbuta

            The bike part is about a Japanese cyclist biking around the world and got his bike stolen in some Chinese city (Wuhan maybe?). The very next day they found the bike for him.

          • Alex

            Later he got beat-up in Yunnan when he was helping for free the people that suffered the eartquake. Just for being Japanese.

        • donscarletti

          Many Chinese see Chinese ethnicity, Chinese nationality, the Chinese state and China as four intrinsically connected concepts. You are seen as part of the 1.2 billion person Han majority rather than a foreigner. Problem is, you probably speak Chinese worse than a peasant with a 4th grade education. If you practice and practice and practice you can communicate like an air-headed 90后 that can’t even read Long Lou Meng properly and forgets how to write even common characters now and then.

          Your white foreigner friends on the other hand are showing an interest in Chinese culture and learning and are showing a remarkable commitment to bridging the cultural gap, of course they are going to make cute mistakes.

          The thing is, you ARE Chinese in at least some way, even though you are American too, in the same way Americans can also be German, Irish, African, Korean or something else. If you want to be treated as a curiosity, then why are you in China? Why not just enjoy fitting in and not being patronised.

          Besides, you think an American university education and passport won’t help a Chinese guy find a hot girlfriend? You’re not really missing out on that many of the perks.

        • noname

          there are pros and cons to it. you’re actually in a better situation. you don’t want all the attention, trust me.

        • Mateusz82

          I’m American Chinese, and I get treated like shit in China. I have yet to see my yellow classmates in China get spit on for having the wrong skin color in the wrong neighborhood, beaten up on the dance floor, or denied an apartment because of their race.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            So if you had a choice of living in China as yourself or as a local Chinese person, with everything else equal (income, education, etc.) you’d chose to live as a Chinese person right? Somehow if you really think about it, I doubt you’d want to live as a Chinese person in China.

          • Mateusz82

            If it meant not getting treated like a third-class non-citizen, living in China as a Chinese wouldn’t be all that terrible.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            You didn’t answer my question. All things considered, if you had a choice, would you rather be treated as a local Chinese person would or as a foreigner? Everything is relative, you may get treated like crap but I’m guessing the average Chinese gets treated even worse.

          • Mateusz82

            Yes, I did answer your question. If you would prefer a simpler answer, then yes, I would want to be treated as a local.

            Also, you guess wrong. Chinese aren’t typically racist against themselves, unless there are incidents of Han Chinese getting attacked in the streets and on dance floors by other Han Chinese, or Han Chinese yelling, “Get out of China, chink!” at other Han Chinese, that I just haven’t read about yet.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            Okay well I guess to each his own. For me myself I’d rather be any kind of foreigner (white, black, asian, etc.) than a local chinese person if I had to live in China.

            I am right, Chinese are racist against themselves, it’s just not called racism, it’s called an inferiority complex. All things considered, Chinese hate other chinese the most, at least in my experience.

          • Kernalpanx

            As a white canadian living in China I go get treated differently.. Sometimes better sometimes worse… Buying some fruits at the local grocery I got charged an extra 10 rmb per kg of bananas compared to my Chinese neighbour I went grocery shopping with. Little things like this happen regularly… Racism is everywhere … But if I was Chinese making my salary in china… I would be a arrogant prick that thinks everyone is below me and I am superior because of BMW and Rolex ….but as a foreigner I save the same money .. Bought a nice scooter and look forward to beachs in the winter wearing a very non descript Omega with a rubber band.
            People treat like crap every where.

          • It’s not because you’re white. It’s because you’re Canadian. We also love hosing Canadians for everything they’re worth down here. Everyone else though–fair, competitive prices.

        • Brad

          Haha. It’s because your server at the restaurant probably assumed you don’t know how to tip. You got treated like a “laowai” in the USA, get over it.

      • Kennedy Jamal

        Not surprised at all at the anti foreigner sentiment comments .. to some chinese seeing a foreigner drinking water should be against the law .. I don’t know if this is right.. to me this ain’t right .. as compare to the Right chinese get moving to another country ..

    • Germandude

      And let’s not forget the retard that wrote this:

      “Laowai loses a bike and we’ll help them find it, but when it’s a Chinese person? Fuck, you can beg and they won’t care, and just make a report of it. If you have a dispute with a foreigner or go to court, China will only severely punish Chinese people.”

      Now if a Chinese person is in front of court with a foreigner for whatever matter, I am “all-in” on the Chinese to win. It just proves that the foreigner was too stupid to accept any of the hints to solve the case out of court where he had the chance to determine his fine by himself.

      • Kai

        I’m not so all-in. When I think about it, I can easily think of a lot of cases where there was arguably bias against foreigners that resulted in unjust rulings or handling, screwing over the foreigner. However, I can also think of a lot of cases where there was arguably much greater leniency towards (or “unwillingness to bother with”) foreigners. The Chinese netizens are often thinking of one and conveniently forgetting the other, but I think foreigners often do the same in these sort of discussions

        I don’t think it is arguable that foreigners as a whole have gotten screwed and have gotten preferential treatment at the same time, from different people, in different situations. The problem I think is that people are too willing to black and white this, not acknowledge each instances for what they are, and ultimately insist on playing the victim by trying to steer the argument towards bias being mostly for or against, prompting the other side to argue that it is the opposite. Instead of saying some specific INSTANCE is stupid and having both sides agree, it becomes arguing over WHO is more stupid, which neither side will ever agree on.

      • don mario

        in response to the guy that wrote that… go to taiwan. people are happy to help out other human beings, foreigners or local. says a lot about mainlanders.. but still foreigners(or basicly someone else) seem to be the objects of blame as usual.

        • Aleister Crowley

          Interesting, it’s on my bucket list….but do they call us laowai over there too, lol?

          • don mario

            they do, they also use a taiwanese word that means the same but waiguoren is the most common.

            they are still chinese people.. but things are just better. they dont have the inbuilt desire to screw over foreigners either. i was actually given a discount a few times when i first came to taiwan!

          • mr.wiener

            You mean “Ah doe ah” [pointy nose] They actually don’t mean it in a nasty way either.

          • Aleister Crowley

            I’d have to see about the screwing over part, your post is interesting.

    • mr anderson

      white people are a joke ! go burn yourselves jajaja

      • Rustysan

        Perfect example of anti-white racism, thankyou for your contribution to prove everyone’s point.

      • A Crowley

        spanish at the end there mi amigo?

    • David Webb

      Roi, I suggest you read the comments at the page below, also highly rated. I think you shouldn’t generalize that you are somehow god like while in China lol. If that is the fantasy that makes you feel superior or feel good, then go knock yourself out. I have friends who are white in China couldn’t even get a library card for his and her PHD study. So you should cut the idea of somehow whites are treated as if we are gods in China. LMAO such fantasy.

      Are there incidents where foreigners get treated better? Sure there is, but there is also a shit load of incidents where foreigners face blatant racism in China too. And when i say foreigners , i am talking about white people.

    • Kennedy Jamal

      Not surprised at all at the anti foreigner sentiment comments .. to some
      chinese seeing a foreigner drinking water should be against the law .. I
      don’t know if this is right.. to me this ain’t right .. as compare to
      the Right chinese get moving to another country .. is it that bad ?
      taking into consideration .. 1 – having a green card in another gives
      you the right to do any job of your choice but not the same with chinese
      green card which is almost impossible to get … Chinese having a
      green card in another country automatically gives him or her the right
      to social security number and entitlement .. even work in the
      Government .. having a green in other countries gives you the right to
      get loans which is not the same in china .. 2 – Chinese marrying to
      Foreigners automatically gives him or her the right to aboard which is
      the opposite in china and your are even consider a visitor by the visa
      category .. which making it worthless having a marital status in china
      … then chinese people are saying foreigners are been treated better ..
      please get over it .. in our country we share our birth right with you
      guys there .

  • lonetrey / Dan

    Question is what do they want to do about this issue? Should they extend the same positivity to their fellow citizens, or should they have a gradual reduction of preferential treatment for foreigners?

    That’s what I’m wondering, what do they want to do? I would hope the first option is what they strive for, but realistically I can only imagine people in China seeing this video and thinking of the second option.

    • mopedchi

      Sigh… a friend from Beijing visited me in Los Angeles and she was surprised that the “white people” she met treated her nicely. I asked why she thought this was odd and she asked if Asians are treated as outsiders in America. In Beijing, locals treat waidiren like crap so she expected the same treatment while in the US. I don’t think the Chinese in China understands the concept of a multi-cultural society.

      • lonetrey / Dan

        I wasn’t speaking about personal day-to-day interaction between people so much as the lifestyle benefits, but I get what you mean.

        I personally experienced exactly what she expected during my elementary school days. I know it’s sad that I still remember these things even though we were all kids back then, but I think at the core of it all Asians still have a bit of trouble melding with America.

        Thankfully, a lot has changed since those days, and I think society has improved a lot in terms of multi-cultural acceptance.

        Still got the occasional dose of old-fashion racism when I was in college though. Wouldn’t be college without the drive-bys with drunk white kids hanging out the car seat windows screaming slurs at bystanders.

        • mopedchi

          I got some of it growing up in Canada during the late 70’s to early 80’s but not much since. Where did you go to college? I did my undergrad at UCLA so not much anti-Asian racism since we were probably the majority ethnic group, especially in engineering.

          • lonetrey / Dan

            Went to Penn State University, but there wasn’t much racism at all, usually ran into awkward situations at most when people are overly anti-racist around me which isn’t a bad thing.

            Probably two or three times I’ve encountered it there. I mean, there are racists in every country, so it was inevitable to run into it eventually.

      • mopedchi

        And… someone already mentioned above, when I’m in Beijing, I get the worst of both worlds. I’m basically a laowai that is treated like a waidiren since they can’t pin down my Chinese accent. Things are a bit better in Chengdu.

      • Reptilian

        Oh they DO understand the concept of a multi-cultural society. They just don’t take it to heart implementing it. Look at how the government keeps trumpeting that China is “a nation of 56 cultural minorities living in harmony” when in fact, the country is heaven only for the dominant Han ethnic group.

  • Zappa Frank

    i think it’s just a bunch of bullshit.

    As foreigner in china you do not have any preferential treatment in anything. You have to pay everything more and you’re always checked and controlled by police. Let’s think about chinese in other countries.. do they need a degree to get a work permit? no. Do they need a citizen fellow to open an activity? no. Chinese always think foreigners are better treated, but the truth is that in china foreigners are treated in a bad way, worst than in most of other countries. I would like to reply point by point, but there’s just one ..”If foreigners want to start a business in China, there are even more preferential treatment ” who wrote this do not understand how international business work.. it’s obvious that if you want foreigners to invest in your country you have to give them a good treatment, but this is an investment that makes china richer, a chinese that open a restaurant is not like a foreigner that open a factory…. beside all foreigners investment are strictly checked and very often the know-how is stolen..About children, they are not chinese citizens so why should china care about how many children foreigners choose to have? there are not so many foreigners with green card, and among them i think no one would like his children go to chinese schools..

    • Kai

      Come on, saying foreigners don’t have “any” preferential treatment in “anything” is also “bullshit”, and you know it too. Why exaggerate? It’s unnecessary. You can’t fight bullshit with more bullshit.

      Your comments about opening a business are unfair. IP theft or forced tech transfer and greater regulatory scrutiny with foreign companies are all things that happen in China, true, but so are the preferential policies. That China benefits from it doesn’t change that fact. Other countries have hoops for foreign investors and businesses to jump through. If you’re going to jump through them, that means you’ve made your choice to accept those hoops because there’s still something you want from them. Business is about both sides agreeing to something because of self-interest and self-benefit.

      I agree with your criticism of the portrayal of foreigners going to Chinese schools. Technically what the video says isn’t false, and I suspect it is meant more to inflame the sense of unfairness that waidiren feel about their situation under current government policies, but I agree the imagery of blond-haired blue-eyed children charging into a Chinese school as if to squeeze out and monopolize what waidiren already feel to be scarce resource is exploitive and not particularly representative.

      • guest1

        You get preferential treatment socially, without question. However when it comes to doing business, you don’t get any.

        • Kai

          Aren’t tax breaks an example of preferential treatment when it comes to doing business? I know what you mean, but just because the cards are stacked against you in other ways doesn’t mean you weren’t given very real preferential treatment. Credit where it’s due.

  • Ana Belen Ruiz

    False, if I ever visit China, I will worship every chinese I meet

    • No you won’t. You only seem to feel this way because you want to feel all fair and mighty until you meet a bunch of real assholes. Otherwise you may be buddha and I find it hard to believe since you are more likely naive.

    • KAMIKAZIPILOT

      Not sure if you’re just joking but judging on your picture they may worship you, LOL. :) I suggest you don’t worship anyone. Just treat everyone with respect like you would at home. Treat others how they treat you basically.

      • foolish chinese american

        you are such a beta.

        • KAMIKAZIPILOT

          A what?

    • Dr Sun

      me first I hope !

    • Gordon Gogodancer

      If you are being ironic: Good one

      If you are being naïve: You’re in for a dream shattering experience. (been there)

  • Animal

    This ‘foreign worship’ won’t last much longer. Maybe another decade. Once China eclipses the rest of the world in GDP and military power.

    Japan also used to think the west was a big deal. Now they have large marches to expel all westerners.

    • Alexander

      Ummm…… why does it have to be that way at all? Why can’t it just be like Hong Kong, where everyone just lives together and there aren’t so many harsh restrictions.

      • Kai

        Er…I wouldn’t quite characterize Hong Kong that way… You may simply not have run up against those restrictions…

    • KAMIKAZIPILOT

      Mark my words, China will probably one day have the highest GDP in the world but no way will they ever be anything close to a superpower like the U.S. Their GDP per capita, which is a better measure of economic success than total GDP, will remain well below that of the West and Japan and so will their overall standard of living. Their government is too inept to solve the country’s problems. Their military will also continue to lag behind developed countries, although they may close the gap. But there is no way China will be looked at by the rest of the world like how America is now. Ex. cultural dominance, English as the lingua franca, world policeman, etc. For Christ sake, how can you be admired by the rest of the world if your citizens believe flinging boogers in public, taking dumps in elevators, spitting indoors, and suing people who try to help you is considered normal behavior.

      What large marches to expel westerners? Are you talking about those right wingers in black vans that hate everyone?

      • biggj

        Yeah, you can have the highest of anything but if your culture is bullshit to the rest of the world people will still treat you like they would if you had nothing. I think the world will never look to china like they do to America unless there is a big change in cultural influence.

      • Animal

        English became lingua franca only because of american economic power. No other reason.
        If chinese gdp per capita approaches even 15k, China will have a GDP that could fit europe and the US and then some.

        Mandarin is already being learned by the european and american elite. Guess what french, british and american kids are learning at their elite private schools? Yup chinese. Their moms even hire chinese nannies to help with the language.

        Americans and europeans also lived like animals before they became rich. Why would it be any different for the chinese?

        • Ami

          So? For every non-chinese american or british child learning mandarin theres literally 10,000 more chinese children learning english.

          Also, English isn’t the world’s lingua franca because of “american economic power”, dumbass (although that does play a part).
          But really, Its because the British Empire ruled a large part of the world for 100+ (not entirely sure how long) years.

          • Dr Sun

            ami talking to your other sock, scores no points

        • Dr Sun

          I think it was because of the British Empire, but that’s just history , right

        • Gregorius Lignator

          English became the dominant global language of choice (I’ll leave it to the French to consider the irony of the term “lingua franca”) as a consequence of the British imperial enterprise. Americans simply picked up where the British left off.

          • Animal

            No, it was 100% american economic power. Even at the height of british imperial power, the ‘lingua franca’ was french. British sway in continental europe was negligible and the only people who spoke english were brits and brits who emigrated to the british colonies.

            English started to become widely spoken after the second world war when american business started dominating the world. It had nothing to do with the british empire.

        • Germandude

          English became lingua franca because of american economic power? Are you kidding?
          English became lingua franca because of the British Empire, long time before the US played an important role in the world.
          If you think that Mandarin will one day substitute English, like in a business meeting a German speaks Mandarin with a French, or a South African speaking Mandarin with a Brazilian, well, then I think you have no idea.

          • Animal

            You sure are fucking stupid for a german.
            So you’re telling me that everybody in europe learned english as a second language in the 19th century?
            Except that’s bullshit. Even Germany was vastly more powerful economically compared to the british empire by 1880.
            English becoming lingua franca happened after the second world war and only due to american control of the world economy and its occupation of europe.

            Who really gives a shit what insignificant french and german cockroaches speak in when doing business with each other in future.

            By 2050, 90% of international business will be dealt through chinese channels, using the RMB.

          • Germandude

            Ok. You are refering to the end of WW 2 being the main reason for the English language (because of the Allied powers CAN, USA, UK and AUS) to becoming lingua franca, while I say that the major reason for this is the British Empire that was present all over the world and thus, spreading culture and language.

            Let’s talk in the year 2050 about your theory of the RMB being dealt in 90% of the international business.

        • Cthulhu

          “English became the lingua Franca only because of American economic power. No other reason.”

          Seriously? Go read a history book, there was this little thing called the British Empire, it governed nearly 2/3rds of the worlds population for the better part of 300 years. But no your right, the last 70 years of American superpowerdom must be the only reason ENGLISH is the lingua Franca.

        • mr.wiener

          Only one thing wrong with that your assumption [well a few actually, but lets go to the most important one] Of all the Germanic languages , and by extension the entire Indo -European language group, English is the easiest to learn for adult speakers [No gender cases etc] Certainly Chinese is an important language to learn, but it is devilishly hard in terms of writing and tones so it must be learnt in early adolescence. and only fairly good schools will be able to afford this. So ..a lingua franca? No, a language of the elite….for as long as China’s economic torch continues to burn.
          Please note, when I say English is easy to learn for an adult, I mean comparatively. The spelling is a mess, the use of the meaningless “do” is a mystery and the accents are a pain. If the only reason for a language to be used universally was it was easy to learn, we’d all be speaking Esperanto.

          • Kai

            God, I hated gender cases.

          • Animal

            To an asian person, I don’t think english is an easy language. Asian people seem to have much difficulty learning the fundamental logic of english grammar (for instance when to use ‘the’).

            That said, I can’t say if asian people would find french or german easier, though as someone who speaks fluent french, I’d say that english is a very ugly, unsophisticated, inelegant language. It is no wonder that the english elite spoke french through out the middle ages.

          • mr.wiener

            English. Ugly, inelegant, unsophisticated. No arguments there.

          • I thought they spoke French because of the Norman Invasion? But, then again, the language they spoke wasn’t really French, but Norman-French. I’m not sure what that sounds like, but I doubt the Norse languages made it any prettier.

            I would say English is sophisticated, being able to adopt so many words from other languages and still work well. Versatility, you know. As far as how dainty and pretty a language may or may not be…who cares?

          • Animal

            Who cares? Sophisticated people care. Few people would pretend that english is an equal to french when it comes to literary achievements, grammar, syntax and sophistication. I went to a french international school in New York, there were more children of american millionaires than children of french expats (who were a small minority). France has a cultural pedigree unlike any other in the world.

            And it’s not just rich cultured people who appreciate it, top corporations do as well. French is the third most valued language by top employers after english and chinese.

            English is a melting pot of germanic and latin words and it comes out a complete ugly mess.

          • biggj

            What, french has no words that come from Germanic or Latin words? French is not some language made from thin air. The origin of the words mostly come from Latin and Germanic. French is a great language and is popular for the same reason English is. It’s the culture behind it. French is associated with wine and cheese and romance which make it popular. What the first thing people think of when they think of french? Most likely having a picnic with wine and cheese in Paris. And it’s also spoken a lot of places in the world. It does not make it any better then English. French went around the world the same as English did and had to expand and adapt.

          • mr.wiener

            ….[he said , writing in English]
            Game set and match. win,…thank you linesmen …thank you ballboys.
            So you are an asian francophone or do you worship France from afar?

          • You spent all this time extolling the wonders of the French language and how much respect it gets around the world, with these American millionaires, how English is ugly and unsophisticated…and then tried to brag about being third most popular in the business world? AFTER English? As we say in English: Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit

            Doesn’t seem very useful. Language is a tool firstly, art secondly.

          • mr.wiener

            And he is criticizing English while using it….Does that mean he is abusing his tool?

          • “Man I hate hammering nails with a hammer but this big ol’ floppy dildo just won’t cut it”.
            Him using the English language (the hammer) as your average go-to language to successfully communicate (hammer nails) as opposed to the lovely French language (the big ol floppy dildo) is only abusing his pride.

          • mr.wiener

            A beautiful analogy, who says English is inelegant?

          • POS

            “I’d say that english is a very ugly, unsophisticated, inelegant language.”

            Funny thats what I hear a lot of people say about Chinese, certainly it is the least beautiful of the East Asian languages by far vocally. Hanzi is the only really interesting aspect. The grammar is complex for a 3rd grader perhaps. Not the most expressive either, certainly not compared to English.

        • POS

          Why I am I guessing you are yet another dalu douche with an inferiority complex. Are you bots seriously all the same or what?

      • RothschildIsMoney

        Mark your word? based on what? baseless assumption?

        Last time i see Asian American have massive insecurities. Always complaining how they’re not accepted in American pop culture. And desperately achieve conformity toward society that doesn’t give a fuck about them.

        No more pathetic than an Asian American like you preaching about western exceptionalism.

        • KAMIKAZIPILOT

          Based on China’s history and what I see as China’s inability to realize what really gains the respect and admiration of the rest of the world. Agree that some Asian Americans have an insecurity complex, mostly those that grew up in a predominately white environment. But I still think those from China are 10 times worse.

          FYI I grew up in Hawaii mostly surrounded by other Asians and Polynesians. I’ve never wanted or had any pressure to fit into white American culture. Going to school if anyone was bullied because of their race it was the white kids, mostly by big ass poly kids. My cousins who grew up in SoCal also don’t have any of the insecurities you talk about. If you followed my posting on this site at all you’d realize how full of BS your assumptions about me are. You have no clue who I am. I’m not patriotic at all, don’t give a fuck if anyone accepts me or not, and American lives have no more meaning to me than say, Chinese or Iraqi or Afghan lives. Ex. if I had to chose between one dead Taliban or one dead American soldier in Afghanistan, I’d definitely chose a dead American.

          I’m not preaching about anything, I’m telling things how I see them. I actually would rather have a multi-polar world with multiple power bases, as opposed to what we have now with America as the one and only superpower. Your post was a knee-jerk reaction based on your own insecurities.

          • Germandude

            WOW. +1 for an awesome response.

          • Eurotrash

            Another +1 for an awesome response from another kama’aina.

          • DavidisDawei

            “if I had to chose between one dead Taliban or one dead American soldier in Afghanistan, I’d definitely chose a dead American.”

            I think your statement sucks.

            Most wars are fought by young kids…who believe they are doing the right thing. Many of them are there because they want to make a positive difference in the world.

            Now, perhaps they are being used and taken advantage of by their politicians/government, but life’s lessons give us the wisdom needed to learn/evolve.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            If you look at the flip side of the coin wouldn’t most Taliban also be doing what they think is right, e.g. ridding their country of foreign invaders? Aren’t many of the enemy fighters the U.S. is facing young, poor and without any other prospects in life? Aren’t they being taken advantage of too by their leaders?

            I have no love for the Taliban, but no matter the intentions, people are dying on both sides. What makes an American life more valuable? If the U.S. wasn’t halfway around the world trying to impose it’s will for political gain, no Americans would have to die, right? I want peace as much as the next guy but I’m just saying if I had to chose who would die, my choice is clear.

          • DavidisDawei

            Do you think that Taliban would risk his arse and go half way around the world to defend someone else’s freedom and protect the weak/helpless from persecution in some shithole most people couldn’t find on a map?
            I’m not saying I believe that or that it is even true, but that is what a lot of these idealistic young kids (most of them are 18-21 years old) believe when they join the military so that goes to their core of who they are as people.

            Do you see the Taliban risking their life so woman can be educated or vote or jews can worship openly and freely?

            Do you think you would be allowed the same freedoms you enjoyed in Hawaii by the Taliban?

            You would probably be too different…so they would just take you outside and kill you along with any other man or woman who didn’t agree with their way of life.

            The USA is the big boy on the block and unfortunately that is a double edged sword. It is going to be envied, criticized and hated for that reason alone. If the US did nothing, people would be asking why the cop on the corner fell asleep. If the US acts, they are imperialist dogs. If the USA went back to being isolationists, some think life on earth would be groovy, but that vacuum would lead to some new Hitler or religious fanatic surfacing and then everyone would turn to America again.

            You are a Japanese citizen or ancestry?
            If the USA after WWII had the dogma of the Taliban, where would Japan be today? Do you think they would have rebuilt Japan?

            So yes, for all those reasons, THAT American life is much more valuable than someone who would rather kill you for being/thinking different.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            So are you actually saying because you join the military and supposedly have these core beliefs that you are better than the average American? There are many reasons people join the military, lack of opportunity elsewhere is one of them. Sure some have those intentions you speak of but the military is really a microcosm of society. There are good and bad individuals that join. Again the Taliban are also just pawns in this war. YOu can’t erase the fact that the U.S. is halfway around the world imposing it’s values and will on a group of people with a totally different culture.

            The thing is, it’s not for you or anyone else to judge what needs to be fixed or changed in country halfway around the world. Unless genocide is being committed, I usually would say just let them be. There are also all the problems that come with occupying another country. Who likes to have foreign military on their soil telling them how to live their lives? Another thing the U.S. has is a double standard. I don’t see them trying to change S. Arabia or Bahrain, in fact they’re quite friendly with them. This results in a perception that this occupation is unjust.

            I agree that being the sole superpower means you’ll always receive criticism no matter what you do. Just put yourselves in other people’s shoes and ask if you’d like foreigners running your country and killing your people.

            I’m of Japanese ancestry. The U.S. rebuilding the Axis powers after the war was to ensure that there would be no more war, not necessarily for humanitarian reasons. Anyways you can’t compare the U.S. after WWII with the Taliban, that’s like comparing apples and oranges. The Taliban also doesn’t overthrow sovereign governents around the world for their own gain.

            The Taliban is brutal and unjust but that doesn’t justify America’s occupation of the country. And these are my reasons for not placing more value on American lives than others.

          • europhobic

            Also the fact that when a DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED foreign leader doesn’t suit the needs of the United States, they go in and violently overthrow the government.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            Yeah, forget La Cosa Nostra, Triads, Yakuza and the Bloods and Crips, the CIA has been the world’s most dangerous gang since the 1950s.

          • linette lee

            Hey you KAMI, long time no talk. Hope you enjoy your summer. :)

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            Hi Linette, I know you don’t post as often as before, I just assumed you got pregnant or something and were too busy. Don’t play with your iPhone too much, it might explode. I’m doing well, how about you?

          • linette lee

            hahah..no, it is just that in the summer the weather is so nice and daytime is much longer so more time to go hangout. I do go out with people. I do date. I am not a computer geek nor obsess with my phone all day long. lol. Your wife is pregnant? You need to work three jobs and pay uncle sam half of your salary. Wife and kids are very expensive. lol.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            Well that’s good you are going out and stuff. That’s funny I always though of you as a geek, nah only joking but I do think you’re head is kind of lost in the clouds sometimes, lol. No, my wife is not pregnant. I was just joking about you getting pregnant. Yeah I know kids are expensive, but I think they’re worth it. I need to have a little Kamikaze pilot running around my house.

          • europhobic

            CIA and Mossad, which are often interchangeable. Sadly, most Americans still live in the “we are the good guys” mindset. Well, to those people, guess what, people of Stalinist Russia and Nazi Germany also thought they were the good guys.

          • europhobic

            Watch this video and try to stand by your comments. Specifically the part where the US soldiers are laughing as they blow Reuters journalists to pieces. Yup, must be the ideals and their good hearts.

            http://www.collateralmurder.com/

          • europhobic

            I’m from what used to be the Soviet Union.
            The Russians used to believe and still believe they were bringing freedom to the countries they occupied for 50 years.

            This is exactly what the US is doing right now in Iraq and Afghanistan.

          • europhobic

            Not so. Most soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan admit to being simply adrenaline junkies, also they had no plans or future in their homelands – they would’ve simply worked as car mechanics or grocery store clerks. The wars are for the profit of the defense industry who desperately needs the wars to continue to keep the quarterly reports solid. Most people underestimate the size of the American military complex.

          • europhobic

            What an awesome post.

        • POS

          You’d make a decent wumao, stupid enough to shill, but not the slightest understanding of America or Asian-Americans for that matter.

          • RothschildIsMoney

            You obviously totally wrong in all aspect about me and what i want to point out. I don’t know what the fuck makes me a “wumao”. Probably because i happen to have a different opinion than you? FYI I’m Asian American too. Tho i’m currently not live there.

      • linette lee

        …………….how can you be admired by the rest of the world if your citizens believe flinging boogers in public, taking dumps in elevators, spitting indoors, …………………………….

        education education education education. Good Education is the key and answer. Give it to all china chinese. Let all of them have equal access to good education and not just the urban rich chinese. Then they will get rid of their bad behavior and manners.

        The biggest problem in China is not their bad behavior. It’s the lack of good education for the poor and the economic gap between rural and urban chinese. Corruption in the gov’t system is the reason to that. The very rich and powerful don’t want to give up their wealth and power and create a better system for the people of China. They want to keep themselves in power so the less education for the poor the better. It will surely keep the poor as slaves working making the rich more rich and powerful. The poor don’t have the same level of access to good healthcare neither. Also for some even getting food to feed their kids is a big concern. Why would these poor rural chinese care about their public manner when what is more important is to make enough money to feed their kids?

        • KAMIKAZIPILOT

          Did you get shocked by your iPhone again? Yes education is a key part but formal education isn’t the answer entirely. Look at S. Korea and Japan, both prioritize education and are well respected on the global stage but not nearly the global icon America is. America’s advantages are it’s immense economic power, innovation and ambition to be a global leader in all areas (economic, cultural, military). China can have all the money they want but unless they have the ambition to be a global leader, they will always be a second tier country in terms of global influence.

          • linette lee

            Look how big is America. It’s a big country with lots of people. You can’t compare japan or korea with USA. Not the size of land, economy and population.

            Any how here in New york Chinese are very much respected and considered very wealthy and highly educated due to the population of chinese here like 1 million I think. With so many businesses and properties owned by Chinese. The non chinese folks here think China is very rich because the usa economy is doing poor. They think Chinese are very smart because of all the ivy league schools are dominated by chinese students. So yes, chinese are viewed as smart and rich here in ny.

          • ptptp

            It’s not 1 million Chinese, but 1 million Asians. Chinese are not the only Asians in NY!

            http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/06/23/nyregion/new-york-asians.html?ref=nyregion&_r=0

          • Mihel

            This “chinese = richer/smarter than average” is a stereotype that I think exists only in North America.
            Nowhere else in the western countries are chinese or people of chinese descent considered above average in wealth or intelligence.

          • Connor

            Actually Asian Americans are typically more educated and have a higher medium household income.

            http://censuschannel.net/cc/news/2010-median-household-individual-income-asian-americans-top-the-list-1330

          • Mihel

            Yes, that’s why I said this stereotype exists only in NA.

          • linette lee

            ……..stereotype exists only in NA……

            Is that true?? My Chinese friends in Canada vancouver and toronto told me Chinese are viewed more educated and wealthier than regular too in Canada. They build a whole city in Vancouver and Toronto.

            So Chinese in other western countries are considered poor? Maybe the populations of Chinese in other western countries are very small compare to Canada and America that’s why not too visible so not as wealthy.

          • biggj

            Only the rich can go to Canada and the US. I don’t think they are viewed as being richer then any other asian country, maybe filipinos. I’d say about the same as all other foreigners. It’s just more noticeable because there are just shit tons of Chinese. You just see it more. But Chinese do shit jobs too just like everyone else. ANd they do good jobs like everyone else. And it’s not like china where you can use fake shit to get work visa. Canada and US will check that shit. So usually it’s the high end people who get to go there and live. 1 out 5 people on the planet is fucking chinese. It’s just numbers. More of you guys there. Even if 1% of chinese have money thats around around the population of canada. And all east asians get bunched into being “chinese” anyway. Could be from Korea, Japan Loas…. But at first glance everyone just thinks chinese.

            The harder it is to get into a country the richer people will be. Unless a chinese marries a canadaian or a US it’s hard for them to go there on their own deal. Unless your rich. Countries like Vietnam or some African country you will find poor Chinese people. But most asians…not just Chinese do good in Canada and US. Because of the higher restrictions on them.

            It’s good though they come and spend money in that country. I would only let the rich in too. There will be people scratching at the door to get in even with high restrictions. If china has the same restrictions as Canada does for chinese people….no one would go there.

          • linette lee

            of course Chinese do shitting jobs too just like anybody. But overall the average I am talking about.The population of chinese in the whole USA is like 3 to 4 % out of the 300 millions. Chinese population is so small compare to other ethnic groups in USA and we are still the minority. Same thing in Canada. But because Chinese own properties and businesses so we are more visible compare to other ethnic groups. Look what the Chinese did to Vancouver. Vancouver is a city now. The population of Chinese in USA and canada is much larger than the population of Chinese in other western countries. So not as visible.
            The really rich Chinese live in Singapore, hong kong, and China. Not overseas.

          • biggj

            So Vancouver would be a hole in ground if it was not for Chinese? Vancouver would still be a city with or without Chinese lol. Come on now. You have to understand that Chinese people have hard restrictions on them to go to north America, compared to Germany or England or Japan even Hk and so on so the only high end people can go from the mainland. Chinese do good. but no worse or better then anyone else.

          • linette lee

            hahahha..no Vancouver will be a countryside not a city. No jobs. But country place is nice. I like trees.

            okay okay..whatever dude. This conversation started out chinese stereotype oversea so I am just giving you my personal experience and what I see.

            ……….1 out 5 people on the planet is fucking chinese………

            hahaha…you fxcking shxt…lol hahaha…98% of Chinese stay inside China. And 50% of them will never get out because China corrupt gov’t system needs them as slaves for cheap labor. They are bred to be slaves without access for higher education and will died as slaves. The china corrupt officials make sure of that. It’s sad but true. Very very sad.

          • linette lee

            My family is poor. We are working class. We work and all our hard working money we have to pay taxes to USA gov’t. No more money. hahaha..lol. We do save and buy properties paying heavy property tax. So no more money. lol.

          • biggj

            you’re from HK, not mainland china. Different restrictions for you. Mainlands cant even go to HK without a visa.

          • Base on shit tons of Chinese, not far into the future most ethnic race will have a percent of chinese/asian in them. At least that’s what some white supremicist would say. Not just chinese per say but any race mixing will eventually dilute the original race characteristics. So much for asian pride. Yellow and blue makes green.

          • Mihel

            They are not considered poor, especially compared to other immigrants chinese are considered resourceful and great workers. They work mostly in family-run shops, restaurants and commercial activities with popular prices and thus are considered of medium wealth. Though there are entrepreneurs, that’s not what the average chinese is known for.
            There are relatively few chinese in Europe compared to NA because the flux of immigration is more recent, and being Europe less multicultural than North America they are less integrated (this is true for any immigrant though) and thus less visible.

            Another stereotype that I think exists only in NA is that chinese/asians are bad drivers, I’ve never heard it anywhere else.

          • christina

            Bingo. when I’m shopping at high end stores in Asia, I avoid speaking Chinese because then all the racism comes out. When shopping in the US, I’ll pull out my Chinese if I can cuz then I receive preferential treatment. Just did it again yesterday in Beverly Hills’ Prada & Dior stores, which, tellingly, have a large number of Mandarin-speaking staff on hand. When I was younger, the racism implicit in this kind of treatment by store clerks made me sick, but now I’ve learned to use it to my advantage. Still makes me sick, but no point in worrying about what I can’t control.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            Well of course America is bigger than Japan or S. Korea but even if they were all the same size I don’t think Japan or S. Korea would have near the same influence as the U.S. does. Not even close. If population were a big factor, China should have a huge advantage over the U.S. Look at Britain. How many actors, musicians, sports stars, etc. are world famous compared to Japan? A lot more. And they have a much smaller population than Japan. Where do all the top soccer stars go to play? Japan is well respected, but they don’t have the same global cultural influence as Britain.

            Your comments about Chinese in NYC are about a very select portion of the Chinese in the world. I’m talking about the country of China. When you look at the hundreds of millions of poor Chinese in mainland china, a few million rich Chinese can’t offset that. I know Chinese are getting richer, but my point is that they will never come close to matching the global influence that America has. Part of the reason is they don’t know how to, another part is that they don’t want to be a global leader, at least not like America does.

          • RothschildIsMoney

            Your definition of global icon or leader is rather empirical.

            Population WERE a big factor. Because they’re playing a role as consumer. US (and the west in general) dominated the number of middle class population. Hence why US(and west in general) have more influence in world affair. Now China is 1.3 B population. The number of middle class in China is still growing at high speed. To tell China will not have influence in global society in next 10 or 20 years is totally absurd.

            What you are more focusing is merely a “culture capitalism” (Like movies, musics, sports, etc). For years white people lived in developed countries is the biggest consumer of that “cultures”. And again, that is exist because of wealth.

            In conclusion, the more wealthier you are, the more important you are. Japan and S.Korea is a small country that is no match to rival the west obviously.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            I never said China will not be important in global affairs in the future, in fact I know their importance will grow. Of course wealth is important but it’s not everything. All I’m saying is that in the next 100 years China will not come close to having the global influence that America does today. It takes more than money to lead the world. Well actually Japan and S. Korea aren’t that small. Japan is more populus than every country in Europe and S. Korea is like a medium sized European country. Google the listing of countries by population and you’ll see that a lot of the most populus countries don’t have great influence in world affairs.

          • I think, when most of America thinks of the Chinese in New York City, we all mostly just think of going to Chinatown and buying fake purses and maybe eating Peking duck, dim sum, or some other famous-in-the-West Chinese food.

          • biggj

            Man that is exactly what I think of. Fake shit and pretty good food. Sweet and sour pork egg rolls and General Tso chicken.

          • Yup, negative impacts tend to be regarded more than simple evaluations. but then again, with china’s sweepinhly bad reputation, itsgoing to be hard to regard its goods unless they change from within morally and behaviorally.

          • I should have mentioned, these “first thoughts” aren’t really derogatory. Everyone loves good Chinese food, and your average joe (joe-ette?) doesn’t really complain about fake purses.

          • Not the cheap fake bags per say but the “made in usa” sentiment and the oodles of cheap junk. blame it on china syndrome.

          • linette lee

            hahhaa..yes yes yes. I see groups of tourists in China town all the time with a tour guides holding a flag. So cute. Lower Manhattan has a very big Chinatown. New york city has so much to do besides China town. I am sure you know about it already.

            Have you been to world trade center when it was around? I’ve been inside many times and on the observation deck. The world trade center top floor with all the souvernir shops were managed by Chinese. Inside World trade center were all the international companies from other countries. What a shame what happened.

            http://www.labelscar.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/world-trade-center-05.jpg

            Statue of liberty, central park, yakee stadium, 5th avenue, Coney island, etc.. :)

          • No, I never got to see it. I just saw the new one. Last summer was my first time to NYC. Had a lot of fun, though.

          • linette lee

            never saw twin towers? Too bad. Very pretty. :) I can imagine you taking lots of photos with your camera.li

          • I was a senior in high school during 9/11 and didn’t really travel outside of this four-state area until a few years later when I went to China. Hell, I didn’t really travel around the US much until the past couple of years…during which I visited 30 of the 50 states.

          • None chinese think NYC chinese is spending money stupendously because of the insurgance of luxury possesions they display ib public. Just because china is dumb enought to buy the debt from the US and theres a recent flux of “wealthy”(by that i mean mediocre rich), doesn’t mean that nyc chinese is respected if theres still black kids bullying the chinese. And just bc theres more asian influx snd colleges have to accept more asian ethnicities doesn’t mean that if people think about it instead of making sweeping statements. your reasoning on this is poor hut you have a point about the chinese being wealthier in comparison to history.

          • linette lee

            http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/11/nyregion/chinese-investment-grows-in-new-york-city.html?_r=0

            Chinese banks have poured more than $1 billion into real estate loans in New York City in the past year. Investors from China are snapping up luxury apartments and planning to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on commercial and residential projects like Atlantic Yards in Brooklyn. Chinese companies have signed major leases at the Empire State Building and at 1 World Trade Center, which is the centerpiece of the rebuilding at ground zero……………………..

            Pamela Liebman, president of the Corcoran Group, said her firm had fielded a “huge” increase in inquiries from wealthy Chinese looking for luxury residential properties, “some in the $30-million-plus range.”………..

            Like I said. I am just stating what I experience around me and see. NYC Manhattan has the biggest China town own by Chinese. Chinese also own businesses and properties in all five boroughs. You will find at least 4 or 5 smaller China towns through out the 5 boroughs.

            Chinese are not the majority in NYC population. The majority of population is still make up by white, spanish, black, and other Asian. Chinese is still the minority.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_New_York_City

          • An increase in numbers for chinese attendees to Ivy league schools doesn’t mean they tend to be wealthier nor more respected. It only means more opportunity.

          • linette lee

            Since 1999, China was the second leading place of origin for international students at Harvard, trailing only Canada. Its student numbers steadily increased to lead Harvard’s international enrollment since the last academic year, with 686 students currently enrolled (nearly 16% of the international student body.)

            China similarly dominates international enrollment at other Ivy League schools, including Yale and Princeton.

            http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/25/world/asia/china-ivy-league-admission

            Go see it for yourself in Columbia University, Cornell, and NYU. Alot of Chinese students.

          • My cousin went to Harvard and I have met many who went to Cornell, MIT,RPI, Standford, Oxford you name it, these were all people in my research group, and they certainly arn’t wealthy. Middle class probably.

          • linette lee

            Like I said Chinese are still minority compare to other race in USA. So not surprising still get bullied by other race who are the majority. Chinese get robbed too. Just like Chinese in Indonesia get robbed attacked and harassed by some Indonesians. Don’t you read the news?

            As for those ivy league schools they have a system. Go read about it. They allowed only a percentage of foreign students. The rest of the enrollment are for local students divided between all race. They must have x number of white, x number of black, x number of spanish, and x number of asian. It can’t be all white or all asian. If they don’t do that and base solely on academic achievement those schools will completely be filled with chinese and jewish. It may have something to do with equal opportunity. I know that’s fact you go read about it.

          • Uh…yeah..you are kind of rephrasing what I’ve said.

          • linette lee

            I love my iphone. hahah..lol

      • Germandude

        Let’s make it very simple. US culture is dominant because it was marketed in a simple and very efficient way. The “American way of life” was a success on every continent in the world. Coca-Cola, Mc Donald’s Hollywood, freedom of speech, etc. pp. until this day with Apple and co.

        Now if China thinks that Confucius, Chinese Traditional Medicine and 5000 years of history that everybody propagates but nobody knows about is up to the task to copy US success.
        Well then, good luck. It ain’t cool to be Chinese abroad just yet.

        • KAMIKAZIPILOT

          Yeah, America dominates the media, which has an enormous impact on the way people view Americans and their lifestyle. After all, what percentage of non-Americans get to experience American life firsthand? Very few. So the media is where they get most of their information about America.

          The thing is, even if China surpasses the U.S. economically in terms of GDP, I don’t think they have the ambition of being a global influence like the U.S. It may be cultural, as China has historically been an inward looking region.

          • DavidisDawei

            Commenting on
            “After all, what percentage of non-Americans get to experience American life firsthand?”

            Isn’t that why Baywatch is one of the top shows around the world? HaHa

      • Kai

        Dude, never say never. Who knows what the future will bring? Why don’t we just see what happens instead of chest-beating claiming winners and losers now? People who have looked down on others claiming so and so will never this or that because of x and y have been forced to eat crow time and time again throughout history. People said the same things about the Japanese, about the Koreans, and about the Chinese too.

        The basis of your boast is the presumption that aspects of the United States and China will not and will never change. Ask snooty Old World Europeans if they admired Americans in the 19th century to even early 20th century and what stereotyped habits and behaviors they associated with Americans. As time progressed, military and economic power leading to soft power and pop culture influence has raised Americans up in their eyes, to the point where there is at least begrudging respect even if they might still denigrate Americans as crass, cultureless, nouveaux riche types who think class is a place to go to after a bell rings.

        Again, never say never. Maybe we can claim educated guests for our anticipated lifetime, but being so certain about the superiority or inferiority of any group of people is foolish.

        • KAMIKAZIPILOT

          Of course never say never. Maybe a more accurate time period would be the next 100 years. I know the only constant in this world is change but I just don’t ever see China being what the U.S. is currently. This is based on history and the current and past inward looking culture of China. You have a good point about Asia once being considered inferior.

          I’m just telling it like I see it. I mean China thoughout it’s history has never been a superpower. By superpower I mean not just the largest economic power (which I believe they were by GDP for over a millenium) but having the global influence like a U.S. does now or Britain had in the 19th century.

          I actually hope for China’s rise on the global stage, if anything to reduce America’s dominance. I’d rather have a multipolar world with various power bases than just one superpower. I mean is it wrong to say I think China will never be what the U.S. is? Do you think in the next 100 years China will be what the U.S. is today? It may sound like China bashing but there are logical reasons behind my opinion. Actually i think the biggest factor regarding China not becoming a superpower is the lack of willpower. They just aren’t that interested in dominating the world like the Americans are.

          • Kai

            No, I get what you’re saying, I’m just walking you back from the “never” part that you led your previous comment off with.

            I’m also saying I can see China enjoying a position of dominance that the US has currently without necessarily being everything the US is considered to be right now.

            The concept of a “superpower” is tied to technology enabling power projection. We both know China got on the industrial revolution bandwagon late, arguably because of its own complacency. Japan offered an example of an Asian power that could’ve been a superpower. Imagine if they didn’t lose the war. Japan had never been a superpower throughout it’s history before that either.

            We don’t know what the future will bring us. Look at Japan and China’s historical relationship with each other. Once a small neighboring kingdom that one day threatened to consume it all because of choices and progress of one with the choices and stagnation of the other. We don’t want to think of the US as making missteps and ceding dominance to anyone else, but I’m saying it isn’t impossible just as it isn’t remotely impossible that another country can give it a run for its money.

            You described China in a certain way (flinging boogers in public, taking dumps in elevators, spitting indoors, and suing people who try to help you is considered normal behavior), and it just reminded me of how so many people have underestimated others before because they clutched onto perceptions based on a certain point of time and mistakenly thought that’s all they needed to know about them. It’s just a dangerous mentality.

            I also hope for China’s rise, and much of it is because I think it will make the US better (I believe the US thrives on competition and risks stagnating and losing its way, both practically and in terms of its sense of idealism as an export product). If we say China will never be the exact same thing the US is now, that doesn’t sound unreasonable, because no one will ever be the exact same as anyone else, but I think China could one day very likely be something close to a superpower like the US is. It depends on how you define “superpower”. Maybe our definitions differ? Maybe we’re thinking of different things when it comes to the word “dominating” as well? I get what you mean about American willpower to dominate the world, I just don’t think that necessarily defines “superpower”.

            I suspect we get what the other is saying and just disagree on how forcefully what is being said.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            Yeah I had to take back the never part. After all, no one could have predicted America’s prominence 200 years ago. Put it this way, I think the best China would be able to do in the foreseeable future would be to become like a more powerful version of Japan in the 1980s. Lots of money to spend but still less worldwide cultural and military influence than America. A strong and respectable nation, but not a superpower.

            I’m not sure Japan could have become a true superpower either during the years leading up to WWII or during their economic heydays of the 1980s. During the pre-WWII days there were too many nations working against Japan (e.g. U.S. and many European states) for them to ever be truly dominant. In the 1980s they were missing a strong military and cultural presence worldwide.

            I guarantee that the U.S. won’t be the world’s sole superpower forever. I mean history has shown that the sun sets on even the most powerful empires. Why would America be any different. It’s just a matter of time. Public perception is hugely important in the way the world views a country and it’s people. Right now Western media is dominant throughout the world and China’s image isn’t that positive. Most of the world views the U.S. more positively than China. My definition of a superpower is an country/entity that exerts great influence in all areas (e.g. military, cultural, economic, social) around the world. They have to be head and shoulders above everybody else. Examples include the U.S. today, also the Soviet Union before it’s breakup and Britain during the 19th century. I can maybe see China becoming like the Soviet Union but with all the tension with their Asian neighbors, I doubt it.

            You’re right, we both understand each other, we just disagree on the degree of each others assessment of the future of China.

          • linette lee

            China is so big and has so much internal problems. It is still developing and until they become a developed country all around and not just the urban areas, China won’t be minding or interested in invading other countries or be world police. I am talking about another 15 or 20 years.

            I think it’s nice to have balance of power between USA and China. You need that balance to keep both countries in check.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            Even if China were fully developed like the U.S., which I don’t think the will be in 20 years, maybe 100 years, I don’t think they’d be as involved in international affairs as much as America. Just my opinion but they don’t seem to have the same ambition as the U.S. regarding world affairs. It’s probably cultural but I don’t really know.

          • Kai

            I lean towards China not achieving a level of broad spectrum dominance and influence that the US enjoys TODAY, and has enjoyed for the past half century, in my lifetime. This is on the assumption that nothing cataclysmic happens to either country (or the world — zombies!!!). I’d like to see China at least achieve a base level of economic well-being and material comfort for its people similar to what Taiwan has now, which is lower than Japan. I guess that’s something of a middle-income trap though. In my lifetime, I’d like to see this translate into a more bi- or multi-polar world where the US can’t rest on its laurels and gets back into the game benefiting overall humanity through competition. So like you, I want a strong and respectable nation out of China.

            Alternate history is always fun. I think but obviously can’t “know” that Japan could’ve become a superpower had they not lost the war. Them not losing the war itself could be predicated on them not having carried it out the way they did. If they achieved a united Asia, that’s a lot of resources to work with. All they have to do is secure parity with competing nations, steer towards trade and no more conflict, and they could be an economic, military, and cultural powerhouse like the US.

            Part of what helped the US emerge as a superpower is an abundance of resources ISOLATED from the setbacks of both the European and Asian wars. The US came out of it largely unscathed while others had to rebuild. The US had an abundance of population and secured natural resources even without imperialism and colonialism (though I guess trade “imperialism” continues).

            A definition of superpower that includes military power projection of course rules out Japan after the war. At that point, the best they could’ve hoped for was economic superpower and faintly the possibility that economics alone could one day allow them enough influence over the US to unshackle themselves from forsaking military power (revision of constitution). But they fucked up and are in stagnation. Hindsight is 20/20 here.

            What I fear is that the US can fuck up too and lose its position. With the turn of the century and just 5 years ago, we saw how that could happen. We saw how that could happen with previous economic disasters and international events. It doesn’t even have to be cataclysmic (meteor!!!) for the US to lose its prominence and give other countries a chance to surpass it, even if they may not achieve in our lifetime the same heights of US power that we’ve seen.

            I completely agree with your comments about media and public perception as well as the continuing influence of the US in all areas. Where I may disagree is the esteem you hold for how powerful the Soviet Union was. China would be fucked if its goal is be like the Soviet Union.

            Heh, I just disagreed with you using “never” and similar words like it fearing you earnestly believed in the absolutism those words convey. Turns out it was just hyperbole. We’re in agreement.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            Well the Soviet Union was powerful, especially militarily but I don’t think they had as much influence as the U.S. did in terms of cultural or social influence even during their heyday. It was more through brute force that they became powerful. If China and the rest of Asia could work better together they’d form a powerful bloc, maybe similar to the E.U. A united Asia with China as the leader, and Japan and S. Korea playing major roles I believe would be a best case scenario for China in the future. Right now China has very few influential friends in the world. However, with all the historical baggage among Asian countries if would take a major effort for this to happen. But then again if Europe can get over it’s historical animosity, so can Asia. The rest of your post is spot on.

          • Kai

            Yes, that’s exactly what I mean as well. They didn’t have the cultural or social soft power. Arguably, they didn’t have the economic power either given the structure and nature of their attempted economic system.

            Agree with you on the historical and persisting baggage with Asian countries. It’s something they have to get over before they could really work well together as an economic unit. There’s too much change at the moment for that to happen. People kinda see where things are going but they’re not ready to be content with it. It’ll be interesting (but hopefully not aggravating) to watch in our lifetimes.

    • foolish chinese american

      >Japan also used to think the west was a big deal. Now they have large marches to expel all westerners.

      A thousand or so people does not make a large march.

    • POS

      Oh pray tell of these marches to “expel westerners”? Oh perhaps you mean Chinese which 95% of Japanese people surveyed answered that they dislike. All of your neighbors don’t even like you, they welcome Westerners. Don’t let your little bigot head fill with too much hot air.

  • Alexander

    Really? How about special treatment for foreigners in America or in Canada? If foreigners live in America for 5 years they can get American citizenship. If a foreigner lives in China for 10 years they still will never be able to get Mainland Chinese citizenship. If two foreigners have children born in America, their children can be
    US citizens; if two foreigners have children in China their children
    won’t be able to become Chinese citizens. If a foreigner lives in America they can send their kids to school (kindergarten to grade 12) for free, no green card needed. Chinese get to have their own “Chinatowns” in big American cities like LA and New York, but their is no American, Candian, or British-town in Beijing or Shanghai. Foreigners who have American green cards can join the US Navy or Army if they want, but foreigners who have Chinese green cards would never be allowed to join the Chinese Navy or Army…….. So really who has more special treatment? Why not complain about why Chinese people with a Hong Kong passport have more rights than mainlanders or how come Chinese such as the Chinese Man-Zu and Chinese Hui people can have as many children as they want but the Han-Zu are restricted….

    • Dr Sun

      you want to join the PLA ?

      • Alexander

        That’s all you got from that whole paragraph? That’s all you got from it? Nothing about equality, just that? Really? PLA……. Does it pay 1000 Euros per month like the French Foreign Legion?

    • radbab

      The whole minority-can-have-more kids thing is just a sham anyway so the government can claim they care for minorities. You have to know that a child from a minority-han couple can choose if it wants to belong to the minority or not. With all the intermarriage most people from minorities are actually pretty much ethnic Han anyway. Is it fair? no. Does it really help the minorities? no. Just another loophole for a few lucky ones to abuse.

    • foolish chinese american

      yes.

      western countries have comparatively very lax immigration and naturalization processes.

      it’s part of the “permissive” modern western mindset, and it’s biting us in the ass now. no matter what netizens say, no other race adopts this ultra-tolerant approach to new arrivals

      think of it like prisoner’s dilemma, no advantage in being “ethical” in a fundamentally “unethical” world.

    • DavidisDawei

      Change is inevitable..

      Over the last couple decades, wherever I go these days seems to be more and more of a melting pot; myriad of races, colors and creeds mixed together.

      My brother lives in a town (30,000 people) with some of “the best” public schools in the USA. Chinese RENT apartments in that town so their kids can go to school there. The town is trying to figure out what they can do because it is placing a burden & impacting taxes. I thought he was exaggerating until I happened to pass by and counted over 100 Chinese kids waiting for their rides – at just one school.

      The immigration/amnesty bill that just passed through Congress supposedly has a clause in it that if someone was caught with forged documents/papers MORE THAN three times, they would not be eligible…these are soon to be future voters.Over the last few decades

      The Irish were discriminated against until they started to fill police, fire and givernment positions and meted into society.

      Life is not fair, the strong shall survive and learn how to work the system (or change it).

  • Jahar

    Notice how they left out all the crap we have to deal with that Chinese people don’t. Plus, it’s not so simple for us to start a business, and run a business.

    • Kevin Yu

      I can tell you by experience. It is far easier than, lets say, opening a business in Germany. Here you have so many laws about working conditions, business legalization, a walk to bureaus to get your licences and things like that, need to show your business plan to bureaus etc.
      In China on the other hand, if you have guanxi, you can open a business in just half a month.

      Running a business though is not that easy, but still easier than in Europe I would say, at least if you have enough money.

      But I have to say it is quite strange to see like almost “every” Chinese dream about opening their own business without a care in the world.
      “I wanna open a Nike-shop!”
      “I wanna open a café in the future!”
      “I wanna open a kindergarden, even though I have no knowledge about it.”

      You can literally see shops open and close in just 1-2 months. Whoever has been in Beijing and regularly visits the Xizhimen-Mall will notice that the shops there are constantly changing…

      • Paul

        LOL, almost no foreigner who comes to China has any kind of guanxi.
        Running a business here only seems to be easier, because there is virtually no IP protection. You can just sell whatever you want, call your shop whatever you want, print any picture and brand name on your advertisement etc.

        • Kevin Yu

          I just mean that its far easier to open a business in China, than it would be Germany e.g.

          If I would wanna open a business here, I assume it would take about 6 months at least to get all the licences, law-regulations and so on.
          In China I really saw people going from “zero to a business” in just half a month, because of “I wanna open a xxxx”

      • linette lee

        CORRUPTION within the China gov’t system is poison to China and its people. No rules nor regulations. Only red envelopes you can buy your way around.

        • Kevin Yu

          The problem is, Chinese have laws. The question is, why no one cares about them. It seems the most important law in China is criminal law…

          If the police e.g. would just start with punishing people, who disobeyed traffic laws, at least it would be a sign that somethings changing. But the police dont even care about traffic law themselves. Why would any company care about some working-laws?
          It just needs to start somewhere.

  • Terri

    This just applies to white people

    • Germidor

      As someone who came to China out of love and has now lived here for 2 years, I have read this thread with great interest. I agree that we are sometimes treated better, maybe get a seat quicker in a restaurant, or treated quicker at a hospital but that is not our fault, I would say it is the common courtesy that is offered by the local population. The Chinese are in general very friendly and interested in Western cultural differences and quick to show their respect and sometimes gratitude.

      But what the author forgets to mention, is the way your soceity itself treats one-another. I live in Suining Sichuan, and I am shocked every day about the way people have scant regard or respect for either their own lives or that of others. Traffic violations, Electric bikes crossing red lights, driving in the wrong direction, cars stoping, turning without signalling, Workers being underpaid and overworked, school children studying over 12 hours per day..

      Hell, there are so many locals that have better education or more wealth, but what it all comes down to, is self respect and how you treat other people, I am always polite, give up my bus seat for elderly or those with children, don’t spit or behave badly, I am not loud ( everybody seems to shout here) always say please and thank you, appriciate hospitality and would never consider even the lowly security guard beneath me..

      I am better, no, just different!

      PS: @Dr. Sun: Scunthorpe does not have any beaches, maybe you meant Grimsby or Cleethorpes. In reply, look at how migrant workers live at building sites, read the news about migrant workers who had to take their employers to work to get 3,5m Yuan back-pay.

      • Gordon Gogodancer

        SHIT…..i just blocked on “i live in Suining” :p

  • aadfasds

    appearance is everything in the working world. beautiful people get preferential treatment to ugly people. well dressed people get preferential treatment to poorly dressed people. it’s just how it is.

  • Marcellus Wallace

    This is complete nonsense. Chinese people just have an inferiority complex towards white foreigners but a superiority complex towards everyone else. What you see in this video may well apply to tall, blonde white males. Look at how Africans are treated in China even though Chinese citizens illegally mine gold in Africa and even have the audacity to bring guns with them and shoot up villages. This is just ridiculous. Then again the blame also lies with these fucking stupid, lazy fucking black people in Africa. *smh*

    • Gordon Gogodancer

      Good observation. Indeed a Chinese dancer from 川音 told me this: She gets young guys working for the government hit on her all the time with the obvious conviction that being in the gvt has “added inches to their dicks”(Jack Nicholson). According to her, Chinese guys actually “kinda accept” Chinese girls with white guys but their world of prejudice falls completely apart when a Chinese girl dates a black guy as they are convinced that the “natural order of races” puts them above black people…..hi-fuckin-larious!

    • wacky

      so how african are treated in china?

      as far as i concern most of african in china just like most of the chinese in africa are rarely have a personal contact with the local except for business purpose.
      chinese are living illegally in africa so are african in china, african in guangzhou are the only foreign group in entire country ever to held a mass protest that interrupt the public place.
      there are chinese miners who got shot during the raid, and no chinese has ever protested about that.

      chinese in africa are frequent crime target while african in china are not

      • Uncle Tommy

        You clearly haven’t done your homework on Chinese nationals in Africa. Chinese managers beat and even shoot their African workers. Also the Chinese government cracks down on Africans far more than they do on other foreigners because they assume every black person is in their country illegally because we all know white people never do bad or illegal things.

        I don’t blame the Chinese in Africa because it’s only natural for China to seek more resources as it becomes more powerful. The ones i do blame are the damn stupid African leaders and people who allow the Chinese to have a go at raping their continent of resources just like the Europeans. These illegal Chinese miners even have slavish African henchmen who carry their guns and probably use them. What a fucking dysfunctional race of people. What’s more insulting is that people in China view these friendly Africans that allow foreigners to illegally mine and pollute their land with mercury as subhumans. I don’t blame the Chinese people for this because even I sometimes wonder if the black race is genetically dysfunctional. From America to Africa its the same fucking dysfunction. Black people can’t rule themselves. It’s like the slavish mentality is ingrained in their dysfunctional culture. Anyways I am getting off topic.

        • wacky

          this is a blog about china in africa

          http://www.chinaafricarealstory.com/

          in addition there are a lot of western media cover on this issue mostly with chiense imperialism propaganda.

          crack down on foreigner especially who stay illegally is a must, i have no problem with what the ghanaian government has done with chinese illegals, african in china should not either. it is written in every chinese passport that they should respect the law of the land so if they work illegally they should be expelled the same with african in china or illegal immigrant all over the world.

          • Uncle Tommy

            Africa really doesn’t have the infrastructure to effectively implement immigration control. I laugh my ass off when they talk about immigration office which happens to be a piece of shit shack. Its like trying to build a house house. When the wolf puffs it will inevitably collapse, hence why Africa has and still is plagued with civil wars.

        • Eddie Spaghetti

          Could you be any more of a bigot? Do you think there could be other factors in play other than just the colour of their skin? Christ on a bike, have you heard of this guy?
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

          • Uncle Tommy

            Obama is NOT a pure black man. He did not grow up in an African American culture. He is culturally not an African American. His white mother and grandmother raised him up in a white neighborhood. All his friends are probably white. I am not saying this is a bad thing but it proves my point.

          • Eddie Spaghetti

            I knew you’d say that. He’s not a “black man” other than him being black and a man? How about Nelson fucking Mandela then? What about Desmond Tutu. Again, your response is just as bigoted. You are now saying modern day African American culture is the same as African culture, when the only similarity is the colour of skin and centuries of disadvantage. Would you apply the same logic to dark skinned Brazilians? They coincidentally have poor education, higher chances of being involved in crime, higher gun-crime than white Brazilians. Is that because they’re black? Or because they’re poor? You’re applying your bigotry and generalisation to a massive chunk of humanity which you personally know nothing about. Who are you to say “black” culture is dysfunctional? When was the last time an African country invaded a European one for its wealth? Or enslaved its people for free labour. You’re taking a very complex historical question and turning it into a literal black and white argument. Your comments are as bad as the video, if not worse.

          • Uncle Tommy

            It doesn’t matter where you go. Black communities are more likely to be committing most crimes, more likely to be anti-intellectual, e.t.c This is fact. Now since the cultures between African Americans, Africans and Afro Brazilians, there must be another cause for such dysfunction.

            Like always when people say “Black people” or “Chinese people” they are not referring to every damn individual of that group. They are referring to the majority. Someone with common sense should know this. I don’t need to reiterate this every time I get into a discussion. The majority of black people are dysfunctional, this is fact. Africans were involved in selling other Africans to foreigners during slavery. That’s why the slavery industry grew so large. This is not my opinion, it’s fact. Most black people have a slavish mentality, whether that’s trying to straighten their hair or bleaching their skin. This is fact and can be observed. There is no point in encouraging black to be professional victims because many other minorities gained respect not through professional victimisation but through hard work, the Chinese being one of them. Today they are among the most successful people in America. Black people on the other hand complain and find external excuses for their problems.

            Black people in America are worse now than they were during slavery because at least during slavery they were somewhat united and knew who they were. I have experience of parents in Africa squeezing their children’s noses in an attempt for it to grow pointy. Even though the ancestor of these people weren’t sold into slavery they still have that damn slavish mentality. I could go on and on.

          • Eddie Spaghetti

            Again with the bigotry and generalisation. I’m not going to waste my time. You’re a shitty human being.

          • Uncle Tommy

            You mean is you’re unable to refute the facts. Wise decision.

          • Eddie Spaghetti

            “The majority of black people are dysfunctional, this is fact.”
            “Most black people have a slavish mentality.”
            “Black people in America are worse now than they were during slavery.”
            Do you ever listen to yourself? I could spend a lifetime refuting your gibberish, it wouldn’t stop you being a racist. Why don’t you toodle on over to Stormfront and have your drivel cheered on by someone equally poorly evolved.

          • Ningjing

            Nelson fucking Mandela, husband of Winnie “necklace” Mandela who silently agreed with her sadistic sports. Desmond Tutu, the ANC puppet and racist hypocrite who doesn’t condemn the relegalisation of bullshit “african traditions”, like witchcraft that kills or disfigures thousands of african children and polygamy, that perpetuates african machismo, irresponsible fatherhood, low-trust society and repression of african women. Oh, he is also supposed to be a christian, but if the ANC wants racism against non-bantu South Africans, juju, muti, polygamy, muggings, slums, rape, HIV, white flight, poverty and highest murder rate in the world, then so be it.

            I see africans (black and arab) invading pretty much every european country right now. They are importing slaves, often children from their own continent, for household work, as sex-slaves, child brides and even for ritual murder. They also enslave local girls into prostitution – never heard of grooming gangs?

            Brazil is developing rapidly. Being poor and uneducated is a choice. There is free land for homesteading, a huge demand for even low-skilled work and many charities and programs that provide help in education, drug rehabilitation etc. The state even pays money for poor families to keep their kids in school.

            Blackness is not the cause of problems, culture is. Nigerians in US are one of the best educated and highest earning groups but they are a highly selected group. Kenyans tend to do well pretty much on every continent, not that they are rich, but they have a decent basic education at least, good english skills and are hardworking. Namibia and Botswana are nice countries: protestant culture, no socialist baggage, reliable governing and market economy.

          • europhobic

            “When was the last time an African country invaded a European one for its wealth?”
            The answer is 1492.

            Slavery was a very normal thing across the world not more than 2-3 centuries ago. You’re making it sound like it was an European thing. You really need to study real history, not the stuff the American education system passes as slavery.
            Most of Europe, Middle East AND Africa has had slavery where people of same ethnicity were enslaved. The idea that the European/American enslavement of African people was something so shocking is caused by historical ignorance.

            Also, Obama is half-black and half-white. By your definition an albino black person would be white and a tanned southern italian would be considered black.

        • DavidisDawei

          I think it is one reason why the whole world is falling apart…

          One could argue that America is suffering today for this same reason; those in power are looking out for themselves, their alliance and took bad, so sad for everyone else.

          It has probably always been this way to a certain extent, but now it is rampant AND Blatant…

          They know they will get away with it as they run to the life boats with the loot and you sink to the bottom with the masses.

          Unfortunately, a community or a society requires trade off and compromise and less and less people seem willing to work to make that happen. Instead of win-win, too many people believe in zero-sum or don’t want to work at all

    • Animal

      How are chinese ‘illegally’ mining in Africa when they have permission from African governments? China builds roads and infrastructure across africa but you people are too base to know how to use them, let alone take care of them.

      Africans in China on the other hand overstay their visa and have no permission to remain from the Chinese government. If you are an illegal, you are illegal and will be arrested by police.

      What is it with you africans and your inability to understand that laws need to be respected? Across the entire world africans are a problem, and I seriously hope the Chinese deal with you as you deserve.

      • Uncle Tommy

        Because they don’t have permission. You could count on one had the number of Chinese companies allowed to legally mine in Ghana. However you find hundreds of foreigners illegally mining and polluting their farmland with mercury to extract gold. Google it for yourself.

        Like i said i don’t blame the Chinese foreigners in Africa, I blame the stupid slavish Africans.

      • mr.wiener

        I think you are trying to say “Africa and it’s resources are ours you ungrateful bastards” [sorry to paraphrase]
        As with every superpower that has gotten involved in Africa , China is going to learn that when the free giveaways run out so will the African smiles.
        Have fun being a superpower.

        • Animal

          Chinese are not brainwashed by white guilt though, and their relationship is based on trade, not colonialism. African leaders line their pockets in billions of chinese money. If africans have a problem with that, they should complain about their leaders, not china.

          • mr.wiener

            Guilt or not, the outcome will be the same and Africa will go on being Africa long after the Chinese have been kicked out and the infrastructure they have put in has rotted away.

          • DavidisDawei

            I agree Wiener…
            there are places in the world that are messed up and beyond salvation…
            the people there just don’t get it and never will.

        • DavidisDawei

          I am impressed with Mao’s forward thinking, cultivating Africa back in the 50’s because he recognized China would need cheaper and alternative sources of labor and goods/resources.
          One can argue the Chinese method is more effective to achieving positive results than the US model.

          • mr.wiener

            Mao’s thinking was always along the lines of “how can I stick my thumb in someone else’s eye”.
            Russia and the US were jockeying for position at the time in Africa so it was very little investment for for the the entertainment of kicking over some one else’s house of cards. Since China is no longer heading the “third world f*ck the US for shits and giggles” club anymore it is going to be….interesting to see how many mistakes it will copy from first world countries playbook in Africa.
            I wish them well, but fear the worst.

          • DavidisDawei

            In the end, countries look out for their own interest…right?

            Mankind has always enjoyed the story of kings, serfs, peasants…winners and losers….the more people there are, the less equality there will be.

            China will probably suck Africa dry and leave it a burning, empty, wasteland as soon as it has nothing to offer.

            The US government is testing out (with Syria) the load of crap they used as an excuse to get involved with Libya and other places…humanitarian reasons…to assuage their sheeple,
            but the US government has always followed the doctrine of doing whatever it takes to maintain their dominant position; even if they have to bomb/kill.

            I doubt things have changed in many ways, but Today’s technology allows access to info never made public previously….

  • Claude

    How many foreigners have been robbed blind by landlords or employers? How many foreigners have used up and kicked to the curb by a Chinese woman using them as a feijipiao once she received her permanent residence?

    Had a friend who rented a apartment in Beijing and a couple of days the police showed up and told him the apartment wasn’t approved for foreigners and had to leave. He saw none of the money he gave the landlord. Two months rent three months deposit. He figures the landlord was in on it.

    In my early days I taught English. It turned out the school wasn’t legal and I wasn’t paid my salary. Police did nothing. Did an internet search and the school was on a blacklist. lessons learned.

    Preferential treatment? The Chinese treat us they way they treat each another – as opportunity’s!

    • Dr Sun

      never been robbed blind in the Bronx ?

      • Randy

        I have! I’m from the Bronx!

      • He’s not saying it doesn’t happen elsewhere, he’s replying to the claim in the original post by pointing out that foreigner’s do get trouble in China.

        Your point that it happens elsewhere is true – but that’s another point. It does not counter Claude’s. According to the original post landlords in China must bend over backwards to help foreigners and cater to their every need. Wait I must take a break to laugh after typing that last sentence … … …

        • Claude

          No one should bend over backwards for a person because he’s a foreigner in China. Just don’t.

          That landlord must of knew that his apartment wasn’t approved for foreigner. If he didn’t he should of given the money back to my friend and rented it out to a Chinese person. It would of been the right thing to do.

          You can see why my friend assumed it was a scam between the police and the landlord. It was a substantial sum of money; over $5,000 dollars. Poof.. gone!

          • jin

            Are you bullshitting?
            You said ” Two months rent three months deposit. ” soo 5 months rent is over 5000 dollar????? Might as well say over 9000….. I wonder if he rented a penthouse? And hes a idiot for not signing a contract.

          • Claude

            Oops! He paid three months rent and two months deposit. he’s a professional in his 30’s the apartment was roughly $1000 a month in U.S. dollars, not a lot of money in downtown Beijing. He was expected to pay rent every three months, I assume that’s too prevent the landlord of taking a big loss from a lousy tenant.

            My friends nickname in Australia was Safety(we’ll call him Bruce, I wont use his real name)he’s not one to gamble with money, I can’t imagine he wouldn’t have a contract. Like I said he thinks it was a scam set up with the police and the landlord.

          • guest

            Why? In my time in China, I’ve seen the contracts are about as legit as a 3 dollar bill. Attempt to argue this, you’ll get a novel sized list of examples.

          • Aleister Crowley

            Your friend should have got the money back with an apology. This is what would happen in any normal country, but wait we are talking about, um….ah screw it!

      • I haven’t, no.

      • guest

        Nope

        • Dr Sun

          you should probably go there, before you post, lol

    • Aleister Crowley

      Every relationship is based on expediency here. Sadly there is also a motley crew of laowai’s who behave in the same way!!

    • xiaode

      I am living in SH now for more than 3,5 years, in several different apartments… I have never heard that apartments have to be approved for foreigners? Is this really the case for BJ?

      (I know hotels must be able to make the police registration, and some hotels just can´t (or don´t want) to do this… but apartments?)

      But yes… I can agree, it´s very common that foreigners are ripped of by landlords and more often by the agencies here in SH.

      • Claude

        In Beijing, I guess so. I only spent 3 months in Beijing and lived in a approved apartment. The apartment had a sign on it that stated it was approved for foreigners, so… Maybe someone here can answer that question?

        I was only in Beijing as a tourist in the autumn where the weather can be deceiving.The sky’s are blue and the air is breathable. The city had a charm to it that I enjoyed. I returned in the spring and frankly – it was a festering cesspool. A sand storm and of course pollution as thick as pea soup. I moved to Shanghai and I was much happier. So just a heads up if you are thinking about moving to Beijing.

        I actually like Shanghai, I honestly believe it’s on it’s way in becoming one of the great cities of the world; yourself?

        • xiaode

          Foreign-approved apartments… hahaha… what the fxxk? If I would tell a foreigner in my country (Germany) that he can´t live in this or that place because it has “no approval for foreigners… ” Hahaha….

          Don´t worry, no way I would move from SH to BJ. I like SH much more! (have to say that i only visited BJ for some days)

          • guest

            Hotels all over China are divided up between foreign approved and China residents only. Safety, cleanliness, and amenities are what makes the difference. It’s not a matter of foreigners getting preferential treatment. It’s a matter of lower income foreigners are treated like cattle.

            China is the land of purchased rights. One could argue that the U.S. is similar, but at least they try to hide it. China will, straight up to your face, tell you; no money, no rights.

          • A Crowley

            Brits actually have less rights than eastern europeans in the UK. If I want to rent/get a mortgage, my credit rating is shot to shit from being in China, no landlord will even touch me with a filthy jamrag covered bargepole. Yet a pole (who the landlord is afraid of the uber PC racism laws) will let him move in for one months rent? I’d have to stump up 6 months rent first as a deposit, even If I could find a landlord prepared to PHYSICALLY allow it!!!! Hence, I am homeless, in the UK and a mental hospital or crime would be my only options!!!!!

          • A Crowley
        • Reptilian

          I’ve lived and visited both cities, and although I used to love BJ for its culture and air of being an old imperial capital over the bling-bling hubbub of Shanghai, I find myself slowly liking Shanghai better for its closeness to the sea (ergo “fresher air” whatever that means in China).

          But wait, there’s more—I think the most absolute heavenly place to live in China is Gulangyu Island across Xiamen, where gasoline-powered vehicles are forbidden to preserve the island’s ecosystem. Ports (the fashion brand) CEO Tea Cibani lives and works from there. But residential requirements are stricter than most of the mainland.

      • guest

        1. Friend of mine, sitting in her living room, watching TV at 10pm. Knock at the door. It’s a real estate agent and a couple who don’t ask anything, simply walk in and start looking around. Her 1 year lease is only 6 months complete. Turns out the landlord is selling the apartment. She is told she has to move. What about the lease? No matter. The kicker is, the landlord refuses to give her back her deposit because she didn’t complete the lease.

        2. Myself. Moving from a small apartment in Puxie to a large apartment in Pudong. Moving 2 days before the lease is up. Our moving van is too small, so we have to make two trips. When return to pick up our second load, we find everything in the dumpster, our sofa completely missing. Even my daughter’s kitten is no where to be found. After a few hours, we find the cat and take a few important things from the dumpster. A very short argument with the landlord, which, of course, results in nothing but stupid ass grins and nonsensical logic.

        3. Friend taking a shower at 11pm at night. He hears a banging at the door. He ignores it. Continues showering. The banging gets louder and louder until finally he checks it out and sees the door is about to come off the hinges because someone is kicking the crap out of it. He opens the door with the chain/latch still on. Two drunk Chinese men start yelling and screaming at him and, with his limited understanding of Chinese, he understands they saw him on the street, figured foreigners like to drink, and wanted a drinking buddy. After telling them to go away, he pushes the door closed and calls the police. Police don’t get there in time. They manage to kick the door open and try to drag him out. Finally the cops show up and arrest the two guys. The next day, the cops return and advise him that the men have been arrested for a week. The guard of the complex had told them where he lived. This was how they found out where he was. He is advised that he should move, because it’s not safe at this location any more. The men had sworn revenge. Loses deposit, offered no further help from the police.

        4. Me again. My new apartment in Pudong. Completely furnished. Television breaks after 2 weeks. Landlord refuses to fix it. Air conditioner breaks after 2 months. Landlord refuses to fix it. Bathroom light fixture shorts out and starts a small fire, becoming totally unusable. We now have Christmas lights in the bathroom.

        If you haven’t had any problems in Shanghai, just give it time… it’s still China… the home of purchased rights.

        • xiaode

          Until now i have to say i was very lucky… i had some trouble with the last agency i used in 2009, since then i refused the any apartment with a agency involved and i had no trouble anymore.

          I have heard lot´s stories like you told, it´s no surprise to me to read this…

  • truthhurts

    w/e they are right. laowai are gods in China, get free stuff and all the girls want you. the life as a white laowai is one of privilege of overpaid monkey/modeling jobs that poor Chinese could only dream of. so often I hear my friends complain and I wish I could hire someone to slap them. complain in a country with so much poverty, where everything they couldn’t have back home they can have here. well unless you are a darker skinned laowai, then your opportunities are only slightly better than a Chinese looking laowai…more or less trash.

  • biggj

    The special treatment foreigners get in china by the government might seem nice compared to the average Chinese, but these are pretty shitty perks in compared to what they get in the own country.

    • Dr Sun

      tell that to Chinese on the beaches of scunthorpe scavenging cockles and living 20 odd in a 2 up 2 down.

      • biggj

        Were they forced to do that job and live like that? Even though they still get pretty good government benefits. If you don’t like your job, then change it.

      • Eddie Spaghetti

        Whilst I generally agree with what you’re saying, in that people everywhere do hateful things to each other. I think you’re referring to this?
        http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/lancashire/4832454.stm
        These illegal immigrants are there because another Chinese person has convinced them to be there. There aren’t wicked Lancastrians prowling the streets of Fujian looking for gullible potential cockle pickers. This somewhat reinforces the point being made by others, that actually westerners are just treated to a standard approaching how we would be treated in the West, whereas in this case, the Chinese are treating each other badly.

  • Mike

    I am sorry but in big cities like Shanghai I think foreigners get worse treatment than Chinese, the days of people staring at you and letting you get away with anything because of being a foreigner are over…at least in the more modern places of china (which are few and far between), and as someone already said we get treated worse in China than we do in our own countries, how do you plan to attract foreigners and foreign investment when you are treated like garbage….

    • Dr Sun

      oh get real !! worse than the dole or your single wide ?

    • biggj

      Who and why do they treat you like garbage? Is it because people don’t stare it you? Shit, I would welcome that. Or because you can’t get away with things you would in your own country?

  • Dr Sun

    if by preferential , you mean being treated like a child, then yes.

    • filabusta

      Yeah I think this “preferential treatment” is extremely annoying. I can open my own door and pour my own beer, thank you.

    • Cauffiel

      More like treated like animals. I feel like I’m living in a zoo when people yell “hallo! hahahahahaha!!” from bus windows and when people stick cameras in my face from just a few feet away and smile sheepishly when I notice it.

      I don’t think Chinese realize how vulnerable not-especially-wealthy foreigners can be here. But there is so much jealousy among Chinese themselves, its not surprising some of that jealousy would be directed at us.

  • biggj

    Whoever made this has it all wrong. The perks from the government are not that great….not good at all really. The best thing about being a foreigner who visits china is the regular everyday treatment you get. If it was not for the shady food safety, horrible pollution, just heath and safety in general…..china might be a alright place to live. When you add that to the shitty perks you get no one in there right mind would come and live here. It’s good for young people who have no job in their own country and come here and live pretty good compared to their life in own country. To come and live and work in china I would have to be down on luck in hard way. Unless I owned a company here or something that made shit tons of money. But to come here and make anything less then $5000 a month would not be worth it. Actually it would have to be more then that. China is great to come visit and have a good time….but to live there….I would have to be in hard shape to do that.

    • Dr Sun

      you mean apart from the free housing, regular salary and very low working hours and expectations of even being able to teach that most ESL teachers enjoy ?

      • biggj

        Yeah that’s alright. If you like doing that then thats great. I’m saying if you plan to have kids or want a house or ever want to retire then teaching in china is not a good thing to do. It’s great for a young. poor and single person. What do ESL teachers make? 1500 or 2000 dollars a month? That’s only 24,000 a year. In china that’s great. And you can save some of that, it’s just not good compared to what you can make in a country where they get ESL teachers are from. To each his own. I could not take a job that paid that. Even with a free apartment or whatever.

        • Dr Sun

          so you agree your previous post was incorrect. It seems many do as there are thousands upon thousands of mba grads teaching ESL in Asia., why would they do that if high paying jobs in lets say Detroits public sector are so easy to find ?

          • biggj

            Then don’t stay in Detroit lol. Also how many people who teach there have a MBA? I know quite a few foreigners and none of them are actual teachers. maybe 10% have a MBA and the rest have nothing, some not even a high school diploma. I’m sure some are teachers, but I don’t know any.And I never said anything about the rest of asia where teaching seems pretty good. I think if you are an actual teacher china would not be first on their list. I’m not saying it bad or wrong to teach. I’m just saying if you are a real teacher, why pick china where the wage is pretty low and pollution and safety with everything is sketchy at best? Like I said to each his own.

          • Eddie Spaghetti

            Just as an example of why ‘actual teachers’ would teach in China rather than their own country – in the UK, the government has recently removed financial support for the majority of student teachers, so instead of paying a living wage while doing your post-graduate teacher training, you’re effectively an unpaid intern doing a student teacher’s job – teaching full time. If you’ve got savings or a well off family, no problem. If you’re from an average to low income family and have a strong desire to be a teacher, teaching English anywhere is a better option than working a low-paid job for a few years until you can afford the training. Also, China is a pretty interesting place if your mind is open to more than just standard Western stuff. It’s not all wine and roses, but it’s good fun.

          • Dave

            Are they University teachers?

            I know several who were teachers back home before coming here.

            One has a PhD.

            He’s also a functioning alcoholic, but hey, he gets paid well (about $60k USD per year).

          • biggj

            Yeah a few teach at universities. But I think they have fake degrees. I’m not sure though. One I know for sure is fake that was done by her university. Although most people I know work at high schools or just English schools, the ones you have to pay for.

            60k a year?? That would be like 30k RMB a month. I just took a quick look at some jobs at universities and and the highest I seen was 18k. And that was for math and physics teachers. You have to show me a link to believe 60k a year for a teacher anywhere in china. That’s about what they would get paid in the US.

          • Dave

            I can’t “provide a link,” it just some guy I know.

            To be fair, he is a high level international business teacher (again, with a PhD), not an average English speaker. He makes less than he would back in the states, but he live much better.

          • DavidisDawei

            Unfortunately economics sometimes force us to do something we’d rather not do, but can’t figure out (or don’t have time to wait for) a better option…

          • I know people looking for jobs, people who picked the wrong major for finding a job, etc…but I haven’t yet heard one say they want to go teach in China to have a better life. I’ve only met people who want to go just because it would be a cool experience.

            Don’t mistake people who travel and teach as a means of having some income and the free time to experience a different country for someone who’s having a difficult time finding a job (or someone who’s thinking that their living conditions…as in that free apartment and shitty regular salary are better than what they get back home).

          • biggj

            Yeah. Everyone I spoke to just says they want to travel or interested in culture or some shit. But none says for a better life.If anything living in China too long will take from your life.

          • As bad of a reputation as China gets in the west, the idea that westerners are falling on hard times and dreaming of taking that long boat to China, the land of opportunity, is pretty unbelievable.

          • DavidisDawei

            Don’t you think China could be the land of opportunity for some?
            There are pros/cons to every place to live…
            If anyone knows of a “perfect” place to live, I’d love to hear about it

          • I never said it’s not a land of opportunity. I said that with the general population of the West (not people dealing in international business who pay attention to such things) China’s reputation is not a land of opportunity, but a place that makes cheap goods and eats weird food.

          • Dr Sun

            rubbish, you need to talk to more expats

        • Dave

          “What do ESL teachers make? 1500 or 2000 dollars a month? That’s only 24,000 a year.”

          I have a handy spreadsheet I made to show potential savings comparing US to Chinese salaries. Well, really, it was to compare Macanese salaries, but it works for this.

          Say you make $45,000 per year, which is about median. You lose between 1/4 to 1/3 of that to taxes. So you actually take home $32,000. Call it 2600 a month.

          Take out 1/3 for housing and 1/3 for living expenses (~$900 each). this is typical advice, thought where I come from you can’t rent an apartment for under $1000.

          Now you are left with about $900 USD per month (~5200 RMB). This is your savings.

          Now, I’m not sure about Chinese tax rates for salary (I’m going with 10% – that’s what it is in Macau).

          If you have housing provided for you, and spend an average of 100 RMB per day on living expenses, you’d need to make 9500 RMB per month to save that same $900 USD per month.

          9500 RMB is not a big stretch for an English teacher to get.

          • Aleister Crowley

            I knew a bloke, chain smoker and heavy drinker, who sent me this job, that he was perfectly happy with, then he had no phd, only a bsc!

            Compare working in Shanxi, public sector through agent – I got 5000 a
            month in the boondocks for 16 classes, most 45 minutes, but some just 40
            minutes/week teaching at an average senior high, grade 2, with a
            Chinese t/a present. One lesson plan/week, regurgitate it up to 16
            times, classes over 3 days, Monday- Wednesday. No make-up classes! When
            students had exams, I was on 8/week or 6/week. Full pay, very easy job,
            bags of free time, so low salary, but still more than twice what my
            Chinese colleagues were on! Cost of living, 1500/month, supporting
            Chinese wife there with me, drinking beer, 5 big bottles/day and
            smoking! Cost of living in rural place very cheap, and, last but not
            least, virtually no chance of being fired!

            However, as you like! I just posted this so you can get an idea of teaching in the public sector.

          • biggj

            Yeah I’m not saying you can’t save money. I’m just saying who wants to live in china the rest of their life?People are trying to get out not get in. You can live good in china on that pay. When I’m in china I spend like like 10,000-13,000 Rmb a month. First time i came I rented a 5500rmb a month apartment in a tier 2 city. It was alright. Yeah my cost of living was cheap even though I only ate western food always took taxi’s. pretty much did what i wanted to do.

            In Canada all thing are paid for, I have no car payment or rent I have to pay taxes on my house and utilities and gas insurance for my truck and car . In RmB I spend like 5000 a month maybe and live better then in china. Free healthcare/2 cars/28f boat/ nice house. But all this was paid for in full because I of the job I have. my wife makes close to the same thing as I do. That why I say it’s not worth it to me personally. China is just not a nice place to live to me. Pollution, shitty hospitals,head aches all the time, food safety sucks. Crazy traffic….I just would not want to live there for any length of time. 1 year max. I will pay a bit extra to live in Canada or some place equal to Canada. That’s just my thoughts on it.

            One more thing. If you spend say 4 years getting a degree why not go to a better place and do the same thing? Japan is a great place. Real fun place, High paying jobs, sure you pay more when it come to cost of living but it about even out. Anywhere in the world really. If you can be a real teacher many countries will take you to teach English. Even some place in south America next to a beach. To each his own…but china would be the last on my list to go teach.

    • Kai

      You are unintentionally(?) reinforcing the Chinese stereotype that foreigners and expats in China are all losers who couldn’t make it back home. I don’t think that’s true. There are a lot of opportunities in China, opportunities that aren’t available elsewhere, but that doesn’t mean you don’t have to have the skills and ambition to exploit them.

      I’d say the preferential treatment of home purchasing is definitely great and definitely good compared to what waidiren face. Not having to pay taxes or getting tax cuts is definitely a nice perk, though the video fails to mention that there are also greater hassles and requirements for foreigners setting up businesses in China compared to local Chinese.

      • biggj

        Yeah there are some opportunities. But if you take out teaching, modeling, or being a white face for a business to sit in on meetings which all involve no education or going to university to study. That right there takes out most of the jobs available to foreigners. It’s not there there is a shortage of labor there. Anything a foreigner can do a chinese can do now a days. Sure there are some really high end jobs that take a special training, and there are business owners. But I would say the main jobs for foreigners are teaching and being white. Lets just say for a second I have a 5 year degree in….lets say computer graphic design or something, and I’m the best of the best. And I was offered jobs in London, Paris, Berlin, New York, Toronto and Shanghai. Going to china would be at the bottom of my list. Not because China is shitty or anything. It’s just not that great of place to live compared to those other places. The reason for me is pollutions trumps any benefits I might get from going to china. That alone cancels china out for me. I’m not a big health nut, but im not going to push it even more.

        The house thing yeah I guess is a plus if it for you to live in. To to get into real estate there is too much corruption to get involved in that. The risk is too high for me. And setting up a business to exploit the cheap labor cost and low human right is pretty good deal. Problem with that is the cost of labor is going up everyday. I’m not an expert on this, this is just how I see it,

        • Germandude

          “But if you take out teaching, modeling, or being a white face for a business to sit in on meetings which all involve no education or going to university to study. That right there takes out most of the jobs available to foreigners.”

          That right there takes out exactly the ones that lead to the stereotypes about the “dumb-ass expat that made it nowhere but is sth in China”. What it ignores is the much more diverse “other part” of the expat group in China.

          How on earth can you even believe that ALL companies send their idiots that were too dumb in their home markets to be responsible for the currently most important market in the world?

          Do you really believe that Apple, GM, Siemens, Volkswagen, P&G, Samsung and all the others send their stupid, failed guys to China because “Hey, China is easy, let the retard do it”…

          I am sorry to say it but your statement ” Anything a foreigner can do a chinese can do now a days.” just shows me that you have not worked a single minute in the free economy in China. And I am saying that without disrespecting Chinese workforce or Chinese managers that are getting better and better.

          However, cultural differences and especially company’s work ethics that make e.g. Microsoft, Volkswagen, Apple etc. the leaders in their businesses are sth that you cannot simply establish without any knowledge about it. Let alone the whole trust issue on workforce migration (and tech transfer through that) or simply establishing shadow companies that run business in the same facilities at night.

          And then you might notice that western teachers in China are numerable because you can actually see them from 4 pm on when they are going home. The “rest” (in fact the majority) of the foreigners is working ’til late.

          • biggj

            I never said all companies send their shitty employees…at all. I’m just saying that teachers/models/white monkey in a suit far out number the other english foreigners.And most of the foreigners who work for apple/P&G and so on get sent there, it’s not their choice to come. So it does make bad name for other foreigners because there are so many of the bad kind.

            I may be wrong, I would like to see the stats on how many actually work for a foreign company compared to English teachers and so on. Actually that fact would be off anyway because a lot work on tourist visas. But I still think English teachers outnumber all other english foreigner workers.

            There are some jobs that Chinese can’t do. But man there are not many now a days.unless you’re a manager or a higher up then chinese can do it. Like what jobs can’t they do? An how many foreingners would it actually take to do that job? Only a few I would imagine. You would just need people to run the show, which don’t take a lot of people.

            I don’t disagree with you on what you’re saying except that I think English teachers/models/ white monkeys take up most of the English speaking foreigners. There are lot of foreigners that come for business but they don’t live there, they just come and go all the time.

        • Kai

          LoL, well, I wasn’t actually thinking of English teaching and being a dancing monkey when I wrote “opportunities” but the former is indeed probably the most common job available to (well, white) foreigners in China and the latter has become well known (but isn’t actually THAT common). True, local Chinese people are increasingly being able to replace certain positions that foreigners once could’ve occupied, which does mean getting a nice expat package increasingly means having to be even more specialized or high-up the management chain.

          But I think functioning local language skills is what really takes foreigners out of most jobs otherwise available to them. Beyond that though, I’m not just talking about jobs but about business and entreprenurial opportunities. It is precisely because the market is less developed in China that there are more opportunities. But again, only if you have the ambition and skills to seize them. It’s like striking out in the Wild West.

          In your personal case, sure, pollution may be a deal breaker for you regardless of what compensation package a prospective employer might offer, but I’m just saying I believe there are still a lot of opportunities in China for foreigners who can identify them and are scrappy enough to take them on.

          I mentioned the house thing because it is an “advantage” compared to the “disadvantages” many locals have. Whether or not it is objectively a “plus” depends on whether or not you want to buy a piece of property in China. If you’re bullish on the market, it is. You can even be bearish on the overall market but bullish on the value of the specific property you have in mind (if its downtown BJ or SH for example). But if you think about having to have worked for a year before you can purchase, while there isn’t such a restriction in other countries, it might not seem that great either. It effectively locks out foreign ownership except for foreign “residents” (granted, you can subsequently move out of China but continue to own — but in many other countries, you don’t have to live in the country at all to purchase property).

          Finally, there’s no rule that you HAVE to exploit cheap labor and violate human rights. As China develops and labor costs go up, certain opportunities are indeed disappearing, but if you have a business mind, you realize that new opportunities open up. For example, industrial and manufacturing opportunities may be disappearing, but rising labor costs suggest increasing incomes and thus greater consumer market opportunities.

          I understand what you’re saying, I’m just trying to balance it with what I think is the bigger picture because thinking of opportunties in China as being only English teaching or being white (heh) isn’t so much a restriction that China puts on you as much as it is a restriction you end up putting on yourself.

  • Claude

    “Actually the laowai who come to China have all been washed out from their own countries……”

    This seems to be a recurring theme on QQ. Many have been sent by their company’s to take advantage of the economic prosperity. Some are there do to economic downturn in the U.S. much like droves of Chinese have over the last 100 years around the world to get a leg up in life. Whats wrong with that? We’ve been taking Chinese refugees for years, time to return the favor.

    • Randy

      Exactly.

    • Kai

      Heh, it isn’t just QQ. It’s just an expression of insecurity, a stereotype based on some modicum of reality, expressed by generally young men who are more likely to encounter those types because they’re in school, facing the difficult early years of trying to build a career, full of hormones, and competing for women.

      • Reptilian

        On the competing for women front, these limpdicks simply don’t stand a chance. The aggressive machismo of the mainland Chinese man hides a deeper insecurity about social status, his looks, how he thinks others perceive him, etc. Chinese women sense this and are turned off by it. My current girlfriend and many of her pals choose foreign men—be they overseas Chinese or Westerners—because we don’t seem to come with such heavy emotional baggage. “Just be yourself” seems to be something Chinese men have a hard time learning (I’m quoting my gf verbatim here). Maybe because when it’s time to “be themselves”, there is nothing in there but an empty shell of insecurities.

    • don mario

      typical double standard. chinese use double standards for many things, foriegners, women… dont stand for it!

    • Mike

      This entire video screams insecurity. Does the maker of this video genuinely believe only washouts would want to move to china?

  • Cauffiel

    It is very odd how Chinese perceive treatment of foreigners.

  • willie miller

    It’s only certain types of foreigners, see chart for ranking:

    • Gordon Gogodancer

      hahaha

    • Uncle Tommy

      so true.

    • Repatriated

      LMAO

    • lonetrey / Dan

      Who’s the jerk who downvoted this!? This would’ve been the top post :(

      • willie miller

        There’s some weird people out there ;)

    • Xia Bai li

      tell it like it is mr. miller

  • Canadian_Skies

    Didn’t read the whole article. I spent 4.5 years in China, and I did get what I would call “careful consideration”… While in many ways I found Chinese hospitality to be generous, I also found it invasive. I took to retreating to my home, going out only when I needed to. I kept my social environment limited, and it worked for me. I found the one thing I desired most was to blend in, and be ignored.

    • Dave

      Impossible, as you know. A foreigner can never be Chinese. There are no “American-Chinese” people.

      Ah! Maybe that’s where this all comes from.

      “We refuse to see foreigners as Chinese, they are different! … Wah, no fair, they seem to be treated better because they are different! They should be treated worse because they are different!”

      Total asshats.

  • markus peg

    Bias vidio, the person doesnt seem to have a full understanding of the foreigners side…

    question for all China Smack users

    How many “wai guo ren” do you know with green cards?

    The only way i know how to get one is by investing millions into a a city in China.

    2. buy and sell buy and sell… shoot i cant even buy a house even tho i have money as they say they cannot sell to foreigners, i had to buy it under a Chinese persons name which means they own my house and could kick me out if they wanted to…

    Foreigners should be treated well as it reflects on the country, but this means nothing if Chinese people don’t act decent overseas. on top of that even if you treat foreigners well you need to treat your own people well, a foreigner notices when he is being treated nicely yet others like sh!t that makes China look bad without the Chinese people even knowing…

    That’s all i care to reply to, other China smack users can talk about the other faults with this video.

    • Kai

      The buying and selling (flipping) is based on pheonomenon before more recent real estate purchasing restrictions meant to cool the real estate market and speculative real estate behavior. Even then, it’s arguable that foreigners were largely being scapegoated for rising housing prices.

      Not sure why you can’t buy a house. Legally you’re allowed to. Does it have something to do with the specific property or the intermediary real estate agency? Buying it under someone else’s name is a pretty big risk.

      • markus peg

        Most houses in the city that i live in do not sell to foreigners. these are new houses so i was trying to buy from the companies not individuals. I understand its a big risk, that’s why i chose the most trustworthy person i knew to minimize that risk as much as i can.

        The city i am in has less than 30-50 foreigners with a Chinese population of 6-7 million. (every year it is opening up and more foreigners are arriving)

        • Kai

          Interesting. I wasn’t aware of any local regulations that prohibit new developments from being sold to foreigners. I wonder if its because there’s some sort of procedure they have to go through but opted not to bother. Shrug.

      • Reptilian

        The epidemic house-flipping has long been curbed by single-home purchase restrictions on foreigners (not so sure if it applies to locals). Before “property bubble” even entered the mainstream Chinese media lexicon, there were Korean and Japanese consortiums who bought up entire buildings to flip out to locals at outrageously jacked-up prices. The housing authorities caught on to it, hence the purchase restrictions in place now. So that “buy-sell-buy-sell” thing in the vid is just BS.

  • Dave

    Aw, Jeez, not this shit again.

    The problem isn’t that China treats foreigners too well, it’s that they treat each other so badly.

    As this article illustrates, actually.

    Of course, people then scream that foreigners should be treated worse, instead of saying that they should treat wai di ren better.

    Anyway.

    As for preferential government policies? They are designed to try to attract high level talent, investment, and education. Remember that even the lowly English teacher (like it or not) gets an “Foreign Expert” visa, because just by being native speakers they ARE “experts” in English, compared to most native Chinese.

    They’re seen as temporary, conditional employees anyway.

    And, of course, not all policies are so beneficial. The article mentioned the benefits of the Chinese green card. It seems much harder to get a Chinese green card than it is for someone to even get an American green card.

    http://www.gov.cn/english/2005-08/29/content_27379.htm

    Fifth, the spouse of Chinese citizens or the aliens who have got the qualification of permanent resident in China, has lasted the marriage for more than 5 years, lived in china for more than 9 months every year and have steady living guarantee and residence.

    That’d be the EASIEST WAY to get permanent residence. The other options require being a big boss, or rich.

    US green card? Get married to an American, file paperwork, and done.

    Now, again, if the argument that it is easier for a foreigner to get a green card than it is for a wai di ren to change his hukou? Maybe so. That just means the hukou system is fucked up.

    Again, Chinese need to make things easier for their brothers, not harder on their foreign friends.

  • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

    “Foreigners saying Chinese people are an inferior people is one thing”

    We say that?

    • Dave

      On ChinaSmack, yeah.

  • Thomas Calvert

    Im too busy (for a Chinese Client..) to write a huge amount, but this stupid video and the silly comments really enrage me. But very quickly (I may post in Chinese on this later if I have a chance..):

    1. Yes lots of unfair rules might apply to Chinese people in China. If so, not the fault of foreigners, thank you.

    2. Foreigners do not get meaningful “special treatment”. Lets have a quick look shall we?

    A. PROPERTY – Foreigners generally do not want to buy property here (unless they are truly bonkers given the insane property bubble or are buying WITH A CHINESE SPOUSE]. So not actually very relevant, even if there is a different in tax treatment (but I’m sure there are not special rules for foreigners!!).

    If we want to buy business there are also all kinds of restrictions in certain areas of the economy – so the accusation of unfair can be just thrown back in any event.

    B. TAXES – We pay the same tax rate. We also are forced to pay national insurance which is very expensive and we cannot use at home (stealth tax really unless we stay in China forever).

    Most foreigners provide badly needed services – education – or professional services. Of the latter most foreign workers contribute a huge amount in tax. Chaoyang district pays most tax in China mainly because of foreigners and their business. They bring a massive benefit for China – I pay more tax than probably a 1000 average Wai di ren (maybe more). We pay the same tax rate.

    C. VISAS AND PAPERWORK- We have to register and have all kinds of difficulties with Visas, invasive medical checks and the stress and difficulty of living abroad.

    D. CHILDREN – Yes we can have kids here, as many as we would like in theory – But the one child policy applies to all Chinese not just “Waidiren”… so the comparison is not quite making sense is it? And if any Chinese person thinks a foreigner should not have more than one child during the time they are in China if they choose to (very very few will stay very long term with familiies) they are out of touch with reality if they want anyone to come here.

    Basically, most of these complaints aimed at foreigners are overall at a minimum fairly bogus. Are they even bullying? Most foreigners are better off than average Chinese people, but if that is the root of dislike…that is not the fault of foreigners. I dont usually see foreigners deliberately flaunting wealth. The very rich are almost all Chinese in any event.

    I hope for China’s image this video does not get fully translated and publicized abroad, as it will not help China at all, and also that is does not hurt too many hard working “foreigner” feelings frankly.

    • Claude

      Excellent post, thank you.

      Not only do foreigners pay taxes but they spend their wages in the economy.
      The CCP is hell bent on creating a large middle class or a “Consumer class”. A snot nose kid working as a English teacher shows up and is earning 7000rmb a month and he/she is instantly middle class. They’re serving the economy, of course most of that money gets spent in bars but that money is being spent.

      • Aleister Crowley

        Kids will spend it in bars, older FT’s will save it for sandy beaches in the summer, now, you know I’m right or am I right?

      • Dr Sun

        I dont go to expat bars, to be honest I hate them, full of drunk expats, the likes of which I would not spend an evening with back home. But get your point.

        Special treatment…. no

        family protection yes

  • Germandude

    This shit is so narrow-minded and dumb… I would almost call it “FOX News approved”.

  • Ryan Smith

    As a white male, I’m actually annoyed by all the preferential treatment I receive. Women flock to me like I’m some sort of sex object, and the men act like I came to China just for the women (only half true). I prefer to select the women, not the other way around. I understand why Chinese women prefer me – American men are more attractive in general – but it gets annoying to have to juggle 3 dates on a weekend while constantly being interrupted by desperate women calling me!

  • cityhunter

    ass lickers

  • 上官

    Due to my experiences with some really awful ESL “teachers”, I would normally not do this, but I will defend lao wai on this. I still keep in touch with a former teacher of mine because he is the exception. He was an excellent teacher. He was certified by the state of New York to teach ESL and speaks Chinese rather well. Regardless his qualifications, his pay is the same as those who are peddling a degree in irrelevant studies and have no idea how to teach ESL. He also tells me that taxi drivers are notorious cheats. They will not honor their quote or give him his change in full. Understandably, he only takes a taxi when there’s no other way.

    I would agree that the foreigner has some advantages, like being able to get a job that they could never get back home, but they don’t seem to be getting the girls or attention that I’m always hearing about. In fact, most lao wai seem lonely and isolated, which might explain why they play this website as often as they do.

  • Mihel

    I think China is the only country in the world where people assume foreign people are automatically wealthy and privileged.

    • lin

      Actually, South Koreans also think that. It’s a stereotypical thing. If you said you lived in North America, they’d (some) be like “Ooooh so you must be wealthy”. Even though your situation could be even worse than theirs
      Maybe it’s an Asian stereotype? IDK. But to be honest, it’s not everyone though But I think the stereotype comes up alot, alittle too much

    • Kai

      Nah, Eastern Europe, much of Asia frankly. And it’s only certain types of foreigners (white, Euro-Americans).

    • Reptilian

      You’d be very wrong. Indonesia, Vietnam and the Philippines are also countries where this foreigner-as-rich-tourist seems to be an indelible mindset.

  • laowhyamistillhere

    Pure and absolute nonsense and crap. Prime example of feeling sorry for yourself, therefore reach for the easy target (the one that looks different) to vent personal problems. How about making the point that your situation to be made better than saying other people should be treated worse.

    Do Chinese people know, like if a billion uneducated farmer peasants can figure out the language, it isn’t that difficult for an educated smart person from somewhere else to grasp it without too much difficulty? Do they think this is some ‘secret code’ that only they’re in on, so its ok to talk like this? Its the same mentality that comes out from their astonishment that the laowai can use chopsticks. Its 2 sticks, that’s it. Once again, a billion farmer peasants can do it, not hard.

    I can only get so mad though, as its just pathetically laughable on so many levels. Its a shame that there’s sooooo many retards who will buy into this propaganda. You think there’s a laowai out there aching to send their kids to a chinese public school, taking up those resources? lol hahahhaha. Man, its so unfair, all those laowai getting the chance to take the gaokao, in the capital even! And you know that extra couple hundred bucks that wasn’t taxed is all being spent at the KTV, goddamn laowai!!!!!

    Let those peasants deal with cross-border tax law (US is taxed on worldwide income), the pain in the ass of getting a Chinese work visa (imagine having to reapply for a hukou every year or else you’re in jail lol), which you have to have for 2 years before you can even get a driver’s license or buy one (and only one) house which you’ll be ripped off up the ass for, being a laowai thus looking to Chinese people like an ATM that’s just broken and spewing cash. Let them experience 45% tax in the name of ‘building a glorious and harmonious china’ (right at the bottom of my tax slip, they thank me every month lol)

    The ONLY thing he’s right about, is yes, we can fuck off, and believe me nothing would make the Chinese happier for us to do so.

  • Jeremy Daum

    I understand stretching the term Laowai to include waidiren for the sake of the contrast, but should we really pretend Chinese treat all foreigners the same? The visa mill language schools in major western cities sometimes won’t even try to get visas for Africans, south-east Asians or even non-white Canadians. there is a reason we have terms like 老毛,老黑,小日本 etc. to carefully differentiate prejudices against each group.

  • Justin

    While some of this is true, there’s a lot of misinformation here. Since when do foreigners not pay taxes? I get taxed out the ass on my salary, something like a rate of 15 to 20 percent. Maybe you get tax breaks if you’re some kind of high-level professional who is in demand, but I would love to get in on this not paying taxes racket. Sign me up.

  • is ages i am surfing and lurking website about “chinese opinions” and foreign people in china.. are ALL foreginer teachers?? in my knoweldge i think less then 20% of the foreigner i know are teachers….but surfing on internet china seems a WORLD of foreigner teachers that fuck the female students, have fake visas, got drunk, make mess, get alwasys scammed from fake teachers organizations etc………..

    • mr.wiener

      I imagine the ESL teachers who work hard, learn the language and culture and leave enriched by the experiences and friends they have made in China make for boring reading and so do not make the net.
      Scandal is so much more interesting.

      • i agree……absolutely. expecially in a country where “everything on internet is true because is on internet” (China, but not only)

  • ctrl___z

    Bullshit.

    The Chinese are some of the most racist people I know. Particularly to black people. A number of times I’ve had a taxi driver not stop or actually stop, then drive away as soon as he saw I’m a foreigner.

    We don’t get preferential treatment. And moreover, many Chinese treat us with as much contempt as they do their fellow countrymen and women. They have absolutely no deference or politeness for anyone outside of their immediate family. And it poisons their soul and their society.

    The difference is, that us foreigners will call them to task on it. We have no fear about causing someone else to lose face, so if they act like a dick, we’ll call them out and then they apologise.

    They just don’t seem to realise that other people are around them. Which surprises me, because having so many of the locusts all packed into one place, I’d expect them to develop better ways to deal with it than just being dicks to each other.

    Although I guess it’s not being a dick directly. It’s more just awareness. All the behaviour is selfish and geared towards self-preservation. I mean, like the running for seats on the metro or the scrambling to get on the bus first. All just so they can be the fist on and get a seat. If they just had some patience, things would work out. I guess that’s what happens when you’re just 1 in 1 billion mediocre fucktardery central.

  • Irvin

    I don’t know about beijing, but I remembered guangzhou being clean and less poluted during the 1980s, as they let wai di ren in, the city turn to shit!

    Most wai di ren don’t respect other cities that are not their own, they spit, litter and if the place is fucked up in the process they don’t give a shit.

    Foreigner on the other hand are more respectful to our land while filling in jobs that we are not competent enough to fill, even university professors cannot speak proper english in china, “barber” they pronounce “bible”.

    My point is: the government don’t just do shit and put up regulations for shits and giggles, everything there’s a reason and rationale behind it.

    Just looking at the superficial like the video did is ignorant and irresponsible, regardless of if it’s true or not, which many points it made are down right bullshit.

    Take for example the university dorm with AC, they didn’t mention that foreigners have to pay double tuition fees and tripple dorm fee did they? locals only pay like 6000rmb a year, while foreigners have to pay 25000rmb per year.

    They said “we’re both lao wais, why is the treatment so different?” maybe what they should have asked is: “we’re both lao wais, why do we the lao wais treat the place we live in so differently?”

  • Chinaman

    Well I am oversea Chinese. I think every country has their policy to invite and attract those foreigners who can contribute to their country with their skills or talent hence the laowai from overseas. However, we are not saying these laowai are of got sent talent everyone of them. Some of them do really deserves good incentive to attract them to stay in Chine, say Beijing. But some of them, are really great pretenders that think they are supreme to the Chinese. I can tell you, as Malaysian Chinese, I really admire China and their people who is not only hard working but also have made China a super power in economy. There is nothing to envy about laowai, given a few years, they will beg to come to China and that is the time, I believe the preferential treatments will cease too. Hail the next super power, China!

    • mr.wiener

      I for one welcome our new insect overlords

    • 上官

      They will have done it to themselves. The ESL market has become flooded with unqualified “teachers”. From what a qualified ESL teacher told me, he said that most of the foreigners here would be working food service for 40 hours a week back home. They made some bad choices and are going to have to face the consequences. They chose to go to school for what was easiest and they voted for Obama. Now they think that they can just walk away from their mistakes. Well, it’s all going to catch up with them. Soon, only the qualified will remain. Relevant degree-holders only.

      • “and they voted for Obama” lololol what

        • Is AK a republican state? or is it more liberatarian?

          • Alaska? As far as I know, it’s awfully Republican.

          • Ops dumb dumb meant AR , your state.

          • Haha I was just about to edit that last response and ask if you meant Arkansas. Yeah, it’s Republican (except when Clinton was president, it magically turned blue. Homeboy represent). The Northwest corner, where the University of Arkansas is, is a little liberal hippie environmentalist enclave. It’s pretty nice. Even if that’s not your politics, it’s still pretty nice.

          • mr.wiener

            Good weed?

          • It’s good enough for me. I’m a one-hit wonder.
            Our 73 year old woman in charge of distributing 40% of the weed in our area got busted last year.

            However, we missed the Medical Marijuana legalization by 1.4% of the vote…I’m betting (hoping a lot) it’ll pass next time around.

          • If VT wants to pass it…so should y’all. Then again CO is still regulated and law makers proposing crap. It may be a bit. you still can’t buy legally but peeps are clever here , see craigslist.

          • Well, if anything, it’s progress to more relaxed laws or outright legalization. My area is pretty relaxed as it is. Cops don’t really try too hard and small amounts aren’t such a big deal. My hometown, though…much more strict about it.

      • Wick

        Why so much resentment towards esl teachers? Most of them stay for about a year then head back home. It’s like picking fruit in Australia, it’s a great way to fund your travels. Besides, you don’t need to have a masters degree to teach kids “I like apples.” do you?

  • Wick

    Claiming that Chinese treating foreigners well because of their good “etiquette” is a freak’n joke. Foreigners get treated better due to their usefulness and rarity in a company. Period. Once their usefulness has run out, they’re quickly kicked to the curb. They are only nice because they are using you in one way or another. To be honest, they kind of look down on you and figure you’re stupid if you can’t speak Chinese fluently. Who gets treated well outside of work anyways? Oh, maybe by the people who want to sell you something and rob you blind because of your naivety? You get treated better by your Chinese friends? Bragging rights that they know someone exotic (also free English lessons) I don’t find the average Joe walking on the street treating me special, besides of course the frequent mock “hello! hahaha” or pointing out to everyone that I am indeed a foreigner and different. Welcome to China my ass.

    • Wick

      Also, this entire video reeks of ignorance. It’s full of half truths that someone doesn’t fully understand. Though I agree with a previous poster that the aim of this video was probably to highlight the crap waidiren system they have here. But if you think about it, is there really much that can be done? Migrant workers are the best and worst thing to have ever happened to this country.

  • Amy

    waidiren in China are treated as second class citizens. the Chinese government itself created such a
    division between waidiren and urban locals. The hukou policy created
    during the Mao-era led to a distinct rural-urban divide, and it still
    exists today. Urban residents enjoy far better standards of living than
    migrant workers or peasants in the countryside, and so why should
    waiguoren have to face the sort of treatment given to waidiren? China’s
    government first needs to deal with the GROSS inequalities between
    rural–to-urban migrants as well as address stigmas toward waidiren.

  • Washington Bullets

    I think it can go either way really.

    As a foreigner in China, I would stick out more, get a lot of turned heads, stuff like that. If you speak Chinese, you get preferential treatment, if you don’t then maybe less so. I think it’s purely out of looking different, or sticking out of the crowd. Foreigners will probably have to pay higher prices, but that isn’t really an issue. As an issue of government policy, China is looking to host more investment into the local economy. Foreigners aren’t necessarily all English-teaching boobs who are seemingly constantly cursed by netizens as being inept at Chinese social graces. Many foreigners represent investment from various companies and industries, bringing wealth through trade to China.

    The Chinese in America do pretty well if you take a look at things, Americans on the whole see the Chinese as a hard-working and intelligent people, hence the xenophobia over the whole “taking our jobs” BS. Students at my university that have come from China are highly intelligent, many of whom are much more skilled than their local American counterparts in the field of Geographic Information Systems, the majority of whom intend to return to China upon graduation.

    Unrelated, but some Americans could consider that the Chinese could receive preferential treatment over here, albeit on an entirely different level. The police would hardly suspect that a Chinese student would be carrying drugs or contraband, or to be the perpetrators of violent crime. According to the US census, Asian-Americans make significantly more than their Caucasian counterparts, and yes, it is due to their being skilled in technical fields. I think on the whole, it is something to be taken note of and celebrated. I feel like even here, foreigners, asides from the Hispanic population, may get preferential treatment by Americans, particularly by Americans on the street, though I’m not entirely certain about this. I feel like on DC’s National Mall, I would help a lost foreigner before I go out of my way to help some American tourist family, but this is because the Americans can use their knowledge of the culture and language to find their way, while the foreigners may have some difficulty.

    I don’t know, maybe I’m just talking out of my ass here.

    • TBL

      Damn, a rare sensible post on this website. Thank you for your thoughts, sir. They were a pleasure to read.

  • mattman_183

    Why are so many comments focused on foreigners instead of how to help waidiren have better lives? It’s part of the internal helplessness that comes with being Chinese. The “there’s nothing we can do about it.” “That’s just how it is.” mentality you see with so many topics like air pollution and so on. Sad thing is, they are 100% right.

    • Wick

      Because it relates to us maybe? I’m just venting. Better here than the local Japanese auto shop.

  • mattman_183

    I’ve heard so many nightmare stories of foreigners trying to navigate through all the red tape and corruption in order to start a business here in China. No way it’s that easy…

  • Wade

    No one really seems to ever take into account the full spectrum of foreigners living in China. According to the 2010 census numbers, almost half of all the foreigners living in China were from South Korea, Japan, Vietnam, Myanmar, or the Philippines. South Korea has more people living in China than any other nationality by a long shot. How are these people treated in their every day lives? What sort of respect do they get? Are the laws applied equally to them? I really don’t know, although I can’t imagine that it’d be amazing being Japanese in some places (and it’s never amazing being North Korean anywhere).

    My point is that there is this idea about what it means to be a foreigner in China that completely ignores the fact that the majority of foreigners living here are not westerners. Remember, for every Canadian that you meet there’s twice as many Burmese (this sounds way better than Myanmarians) that you’ll never meet.

    it’s not raw data but http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2011-04/30/content_12425212.htm

  • ali

    We are not treated better we are treated as we are treated at home. Im Sorry but i have done business in china and takes 7 people to do the job of 2. And its not the efficiency but also the emotional and intelect intel chinese are well fu@ked rich or not same sinking boat. Chinas a place to use and make as much as can for western countries always has been . Look at world war 2 history chinese were human walls for the west. inferior people

  • azurewanderling

    I’ve not noticed this in the precise way it’s been described. I am very blonde and Scandinavian looking so many Chinese people will come up to me while I am walking around. I’m more of a curio than a person to them at first, then when I start speaking Chinese their response is normally along the lines of “Oh! She speaks!” Not “she speaks Chinese,” mind you, just that I actually speak haha. I do feel a bit like an animal in a zoo sometimes. People come up and touch my hair because it’s curly or comment on my eyes being blue, it doesn’t bother me much but I know that that is never how they would behave towards another Chinese person. China was closed off for a while, and it is a fairly homogenous country. Foreigners can be screwed over in China too, contracts, hiked up prices when buying from vendors. It happens…

  • KAMIKAZIPILOT

    It’s obvious that foreigners receive preferential treatment on some issues while locals receive preferential treatment on others. The thing is, when answering the question of who gets better treatment overall you just have to ask yourself if you are/were living in China would you rather be a foreigner or a local. This assume everything else is equal (education, income, etc.)

    BTW this comparison of foreigners to Chinese shows how obsessed Chinese are with white/western people. Even thought the majority of foreigners in China aren’t white, chinese only like to compare themselves to white foreigneres even though Koreans are the largest group of foreigners. I’d also bet a large percentage of Americans in China are of Chinese ancestry. Two things Chinese are obsessed with, comparing themselves to whites and getting revenge on the Japanese.

  • Kennedy Jamal

    This make me laugh .. To me I think this ain’t nothing but trash … Chinese law doesn’t favor foreigners in anyway … Out of 100 % only 2% is good for foreigners … When I read the comments above .. I see no doubt at the bitterness towards foreigners because I’m Aware of the anti foreigner sentiment in china is the strongest in the world .. So seeing a foreigner drinking water in china should be against the law according to some Chinese … Looking at other countries immigration policies you will see Chinese turn to enjoy the same rights as the nationals of the country ..but china that’s impossible .. While in china is not even close .. In a foreign country having a green card automatically gives you the right to work ,get a loan .. But a china a green card is just as good as a toilet paper … Chinese getting married abroad automatically qualifies them to have a social security number ..which gives them the right work and reside in a foreign country (the US)…. But u marrying a Chinese your stays in china is just as good as a visitor .. To me I wish immigration policies were also vise versa .. Then Chinese people would never talk about foreigners been treated better .. So Chinese people look at both ways before expressing your anti foreigner sentiment !!!!!!

  • Dumbledore

    “Home purchases, tax cuts, gaokao college entrance examination, education, multiple children.” What are these,,, rights for ants?

    Fuck the gaokao, “education”, yeah, great, having to pay 150,000 yuan a year for private schools because the Chinese system sucks, is just GREAT. Multiple children,, are you for fucking real? Tax cuts,, try 172 other countries offering tax cuts for a year or two to attract foreign talent, and no, it’s not you or me getting them. Home purchases, first time I’ve heard that one. Is that to the idea that you don’t have to have paid tax for a year in a place before you buy? ‘Coz that would make damned much sense for someone just arriving in the country. You know what,, fuck it,, we’re used to being singled out by the nationalistic xenophobes.

    • Kennedy Jamal

      Thank you Claude .. Preach on bro … In the US .. Just getting a green card qualifies Chinese to have almost same right as the citizen .. But Chinese green card is just trash .. U can’t even work with it in china .. Marrying a Chinese doesn’t even change your status .. Chinese getting married in our countries gives them the right ti work and owned properties but Chinese are complaining of not been treated fairly …

  • YourSupremeCommander

    Even Chinese who goes back with a US passport is treated like a white person, no?

  • Washington Bullets

    This is just racist psychobabble about how Chinese citizens treat each other poorly and how laowai just happen to come from countries that don’t put up with shitty policies. OMG having more than one kid??? If I were in China, I could just go home to America during the gestation period with my wife and my (potentially multiple) kids would be *gasp* US Citizens. No wonder there are property incentives for foreigners, where on earth are you going to live when you show up? If this video should do anything, it should be an inward look at how badly the Mainland Chinese treat their own people. It’s not like there was ever some explicit agreement that states foreigners should get treated better, this isn’t the 1930’s, the Chinese are not coolies, we don’t demand it, so why bitch and moan when you’re voluntarily giving it out? Westerners wait in line for hours at Disney World for stupid rides, I think we can wait for a seat at a restaurant. Things like this video are dangerous, because it implies that we demand preferential treatment when it is voluntarily given. If anything, the Chinese should look at how wonderful of hosts they are, and then maybe reflect on what kind of unfair policies they’re imposing on their natives. In Washington we don’t force people from outside the area to wait 5 years to buy a house. Your government writes the policy, why don’t you take it up with them?

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