Brazilian Man Becomes Korean After 10 Plastic Surgeries

Xiahn Nishi (aka Max), a Brazilian young man who underwent 10 plastic surgeries to achieve a Korean face.

From Sina Weibo:

@谷大白话: Brazilian Handsome Guy Becomes Korean After 10 Plastic Surgeries — 25-year-old Brazilian young man Max was originally a blond-haired, green-eyed handsome guy. After studying abroad in Korea, he fell deeply in love with the local culture. Max not only changed his name to Xiahn Nishi, he even determined to thoroughly change his head and face, to become a true Korean. He stitched the inner corner of his eyes, injected hyaluronan, went through ten cosmetic surgeries, and finally achieved the appearance of his dreams. In an interview, he said: I now look much handsomer! {Below: Before and after.]

After Max (aka Xiahn Nishi) as a handsome Korean guy.Before: Max (aka Xiahn Nishi) as a blond-haired, green-eyed handsome Brazilian guy.

Comments from Sina Weibo:

Vinadoria:

I want the blond-haired, green-eyed Brazilian handsome boy back!!

juzihepaocaijiaotang:

[People from] every race have their own unique facial features. There are handsome Korean people, but there are also ugly ones.

倾城微微一笑–:

He used to be so fucking handsome, and now he looks just like a retard.

海底天蝎:

Thanks for letting me know how foreigners think a typical Korean guy looks!

TAOLuhanBaekexo:

Looks exactly like [those creatures in the movie] Avatar.

Xiahn Nishi (aka Max), a Brazilian young man who underwent 10 plastic surgeries to achieve a Korean face.

永远支持爆炸的一只:

How did he change his eye balls [color]?

Wierzbowsk:

I don’t even dare to pierce my ears, [I can’t image] how painful this must have been [to have so many surgeries]. Secondly, it doesn’t really matter if you are good looking or not. After all, everyone has different [aesthetic] tastes. I feel this guy is actually just a masochist.

木字旁的黑叔叔:

Like MJ [Michael Jackson] now.

JUSTWELY:

Honestly, I think they [Koreans] all look pretty much the same…

x_anan:

Cloud Atlas, a real-life version of Cloud Atlas!

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喜欢杨顺的白菜帮子:

Fuck, there are actually people who stitch up their double eyelids? He’s definitely going to regret it.

何之何88:

Is this a case of failed plastic surgery?

酱蛋炒饭:

Koreans look pretty much the same before plastic surgery, and they look pretty much the same after plastic surgery too.

殿寶雄大:

Poisoned by Korean dramas.

绛攸-:

Male inflatable doll now released!!!!!!

Xiahn Nishi (aka Max), a Brazilian young man who underwent 10 plastic surgeries to achieve a Korean face.

大今今儿:

Looks a bit like an alien after the plastic surgeries.

暴戾的家伙:

[Looks like] Andy Hui [Hong Kong singer and actor].

亲爱的灵芝:

I can’t eat my lunch anymore after seeing this.

慕慕是林慕梓:

I feel sick too. If he had chosen to study abroad in China instead of Korea, this would not have happened.

大大家-理肤馆:

May I ask, does your mom still recognize you?

Xiahn Nishi (aka Max), a Brazilian young man who underwent 10 plastic surgeries to achieve a Korean face.

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  • Brett

    Well, that’s a first. I guess it goes both ways now.

  • arterius2

    looking at this I can only say “haha”

  • Brett

    “永远支持爆炸的一只:

    How did he change his eye balls [color]?”

    Wow, fuck me that’s a stupid question.

    • Kai

      Guess that guy hasn’t heard of colored contacts…

      • ddfdtddgddg

        actually i heard theres another way to change your eye colour. like injecting your eyes with pigment or even getting them tatooed.

  • Barack Obama

    looks like he just fucked his life up

  • Freddi BuBu

    Dude looks like a wax figure now…..

    • Irvin

      People like wax figure.

      • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

        Yeah they like wax figures when they stand still and do nothing. But the moment they twitch it goes into the creepy part of the uncanny valleyl.

    • kizzy

      Pretty much

  • wrle

    What does this have anything to do with china?

    I find it amusing how alot of chinese trolls deal with their sense of inferiority in appearance by bashing koreans for getting plastic surgery. Most major plastic surgeons in korea now specifically cater for chinese tourists that want a face lift to look like their favorite idols.

    “If he had chosen to study abroad in China instead of Korea, this would not have happened.”

    Sure, he would have just watched korean dramas in china then flown to korea like the 20,000 chinese medical tourists that go there annually just to get plastic surgery.

    • arterius2

      that was one Chinese from a sea of comments, how did you arrive at the conclusion that all Chinese people act this way? Why didn’t you generalize the Chinese based off millions of other Chinese comments? Why this one specifically? Are you here with an agenda? Wh.. I don’t understand. In fact the internet tends to harbor some of the lowest class of people from any society, especially in China, actually a large portion of the so called “very friendly” and sensible people probably doesn’t even use the internet to crawl over pointless forums, why base your judgment from one comment alone, or even just a several, it actually represents a very small minority of the overall opinions. – Unless of course, you are just here to jump on every opportunity to bash China for the fucks of it, like most people around here.

      Downvote for you.

      • wrle

        Hence I said SOME. I am not generalizing all Chinese. I know there are many good people out there. I was just giving am interesting insight from this context.

        • Kai

          From experience, the Chinese are practical people and can be very friendly, but in this aspect they display a bizarre hypocrisy and jealousy that’s difficult to understand.

          That’s where he got the feeling you were generalizing.

          There may be some Chinese people who simultaneously have an inferiority complex about their appearance and bash Koreans for plastic surgery, but I doubt they are a meaningful proportion of the population against the much larger porportion of Chinese people who simultaneously have an inferiority complex about their appearance and have absolutely no judgment against Koreans for getting the plastic surgery they themselves want. Therefore, I think you’re overweighting a negligible group to exaggerate a specific hypocrisy.

          It’s more like there are people who think plastic surgery to make themselves look better is totally fine and others who find the that level of vanity disagreeable. They’re mostly not the same people, so no hypocrisy there.

    • Insomnicide

      Have you considered that the people bashing Koreans for plastic surgery are not the same people who watch Korean dramas and go on tours in Korea? South Korea has the highest rate of plastic surgery in the world, even some of their own netizens bash their own kind for excessive plastic surgery. And “inferiority in appearance”? Seriously?

      • wrle

        I am talking about those people that bash. And don’t distort statistics. Its the highest rate of plastic surgery in the world relative to other countries. It does not mean the rate is high relative to the entire korean population. People who feel insecure about their own appearance say things like them behind the screen.

        • 白色纯棉小裤裤

          lol at “It does not mean the rate is high relative to the entire korean population.” 16 per 1000 population per year is indeed very high for the entire populaiton. Note that is only the number of incidences in ONE YEAR.
          16 * 76.8 / 1000=1.2288
          It means an average korean person is expected to have 1.2288 plasitic surgeries for his/her entire life.

          • wrle

            Not only do you make no sense, but how is 16 per 1000 very high? I would like to know where people even get these figures from as they count them like mathematical figures. There is no way of exactly knowing. 1.2288? Lol. That doesn’t apply to people who have never done surgery right?

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            You need to know what is expeted value.
            Although there are surely koreans who would never do plastic surgeries for their whole lives. The expected value of 1.2288 surgeries per person is still ture.
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expected_value

          • Sillian

            http://www.economist.com/node/21256650

            –Not all procedures in Korea are performed on Koreans.
            –Multiple procedures can be performed on one person.

    • 白色纯棉小裤裤

      Wrong, Chinese people say the FACT, suck it.

      • wrle

        Fact.. really now lol.

      • Sillian

        It’s true that the overall plastic surgery rate is low in China due to the large rural parts of the country but it’s also true that plastic surgery craze is real in more developed parts of China. As with many other stats about China, the regional disparity is huge.

        http://factsanddetails.com/china/cat11/sub75/item136.html

        • 白色纯棉小裤裤

          China’s rural population is only 50% of the total population. So even if you exclude ALL rural population from the formula, the plastic surgery rate is still 1/8 of Korea’s.

          • Brett

            You didn’t consider that half the people living in cities moved there from rural areas.

            … Or Chinese people are still relatively poor. Even those that live in the cities and may want plastic surgery can’t afford them.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Thai people are poorer than Chinese people yet their plastic surgery rate is much higher than China’s. Certainly there are more reasons to China’s low plastic surgery rate other than money.

          • Irvin

            Some thai girls need to cut off their penis to become a real girl, to them it’s a necessity and not optional. With out the surgery they can only have anal.

          • Sillian

            The International Society of Aesthetic Plastic Surgeons (ISAPS) issued an invitation to participate in the study to approximately 20,000 Plastic Surgeons whose contact information is housed in its proprietary database.

            http://www.isaps.org/Media/Default/global-statistics/ISAPS-Results-Procedures-2011.pdf

            The surgeons’ contact info should be in the ISAPS’ database and they have to respond to the invitation. As you can see in the report, in 2011, 1250 licensed Korean surgeons responded to the ISAPS survey but the number of licensed Chinese surgeons who responded were not even counted within top 25, which means less than 200 responded. Does this mean China had that few surgeons across the country or would it be a matter of contact and respondence? The following article also mentions the problem with ‘thousands of illegal surgeons’ in China. No way they would’ve been contacted by the ISAPS.

            http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/09/20129610127990735.html

            When I read about plastic surgery in China, most of the time it’s in Shanghai or Beijing, which are some of the most developed cities in China. It’s like Gangnam district in Seoul had 91 times more cosmetic clinics (292) than the national average for districts (3) in 2012.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            1 U.S. 5,950 18.7% 21.1% 1

            2 Brazil 5,024 15.8% 9.8% 2

            3 China 2,000 6.3% 7.1% 3

            Are you blind or something….

          • Sillian

            Thanks for catching that. I overlooked the top part. xD
            Here is what I think overall.

            — Plastic surgery is very concentrated in a few big cities in China. You can observe its rapidly growing popularity there but probably it’s still very rare in the rest of the country.

            — The ISAPS stats are based on responses from licensed surgeons in their database.So we have no concrete idea about non-licensed procedures.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            –Because people go to the big cities to do plastic surgery.

            –There are non-licensed procedures in every country. The poorer the country is, the more non-licensed procedures it has. However if you count all the non-licensed procedures, the overall rate for China is still much lower.

          • Sillian

            — I imagine people in western China might have much limited access to cosmetic clinics than those who live in some rural vicinity of Shanghai for example.

            — How would you count all the non-licensed procedures? I have no idea how to make reasonable estimations on this.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            — A hard seat train ticket from guangzhou to shanghai is only 200 yuan, and the cost of plastic surgery varies from several thousands to hundreds of thousands yuan. For someone who can afford plastic surgery, the cost of transportation is not an issue.

            — “llegal clinics need controlling. As many as 70% of China’s cosmetic procedures take place in unlicensed salons that offer simple procedures such as face-slimming injections.”

            Cited from an article on economist but the author did not give the original source.

          • Sillian

            No doubt there are always people who travel to big cities to get plastic surgery or for any other medical needs. However, it would be reasonable to suppose that average rural people in western China would be less motivated to get plastic surgery in the first place than average urban people in eastern China. The question was whether plastic surgery is considered to be such a rarity in China as some Chinese netizens claim. Then we began talking about regional differences. Average urbanites in one of the biggest cities may have higher disposable incomes, more exposure to plastic surgery, more competitive lifestyles and more open or practical attitude towards plastic surgery. Even without any visitors from outside the city, their plastic surgery rate would be higher than less developed places in the country.

            This article is about the competitive job market boosting needs for plastic surgery in China. Many of them will probably get work done in big cities like Shanghai or Beijing. That contributes to those cities’ plastic surgery industry and culture even if they are from elsewhere.

            http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/06/29/young-graduates-turning-to-plastic-surgery-for-an-advantage-in-chinas-tough-job-market

          • Kai

            The question was whether plastic surgery is considered to be such a rarity in China as some Chinese netizens claim.

            Which Chinese netizens?

            wrle quoted a person who simply said this wouldn’t have happened if he had come to China. How exactly are you (and wrle) interpreting this?

            That Chinese people don’t get plastic surgery and thus he wouldn’t have been compelled to get plastic surgery either?

            Or how about he wouldn’t have idealized Chinese culture and people so much that he wanted to get plastic surgery to transform himself into a Chinese person?

            Or…?

          • Sillian

            I understood it as that plastic surgery is very rare in China, which seems true except in a few big cities.

          • Kai

            You recognize how there’s a HUGE possibility that you are guys are completely misinterpreting that comment, right?

            Try to judge (or at least keep an open mind to) that comment from the context the Chinese netizen was operating in when he or she made it, not the one that has been set up by other foreign commenters here.

            Don’t get me wrong, I can understand why you guys were predisposed to interpreting the comment that way. I’m just trying to get you guys to take a step back and reconsider if you’re so certain it means what you think it does.

          • Sillian

            It is certainly possible that I might have taken the comment in the wrong way because I had to infer the intention, which usually leaves some room for my own bias and misinterpretation. It’s true I can’t be 100% sure.

          • Kai

            I love you.

          • Kai

            Very good point about methodology impacting statistics.

            However, what are we arguing here against little white panties? That Chinese people are hypocrites for seeing plastic surgery as being popular in South Korea? That China has more plastic surgeries per capita than South Korea?

            Since we’re on methodology, how can we prove or disprove these things?

          • Sillian

            We cannot know 100% of the reality with the given data not showing 100%. We can only reasonably infer some general ideas. I don’t think anyone thinks China has one of the highest plastic surgery rates. The question was what it’s like in huge metropolitan cities such as Shanghai these days.

          • Kai

            I agree that any data we have doesn’t 100% reflect reality. I think little white panties believes he is inferring reasonably from the data he has and is presenting, which is that South Koreans engage in plastic surgery more than Chinese do. I don’t get the feeling he’s rejecting the argument that plastic surgery is growing among the Chinese or that the data about China is not 100% reflective of reality. I do get the feeling he thinks you guys are trying to debunk and discredit the data he has.

            Would you say you guys all agree that plastic surgery is currently bigger in South Korea among South Koreans than among Chinese? I think that’d bring some consensus.

          • Sillian

            I don’t think anyone here claimed or implied that plastic surgery per capita in China is bigger than in Korea. As I said, I was trying to figure out how popular plastic surgery is in a few big cities in China because a single number for the entire China isn’t usually very insightful.

          • Kai

            Would you agree that there’s a lot of pushback against little white panties providing information for why many people–not just Chinese–think plastic surgery is big in South Korea among South Koreans?

            Little white panties’ comments need to be interpreted in the context of replying to wrle’s initial comment.

          • Sillian

            I agree that wrle was the initiator of the hostile argument in this comment section. It seems he got ticked off after reading some translated comments.

          • Kai

            Which kinda comes around full circle, because the comment he’s upset with could’ve (I’d argue likely) been entirely misinterpreted by him.

      • mr.wiener

        As a percentage of population, but this could still work out too more procedures done on Chinese people than any other group of people.
        And with the growing affluence of many Chinese this can only rise.

        • donscarletti

          “As a percentage of population, but this could still work out too more
          procedures done on Chinese people than any other group of people.”

          Total number of proceedures, in million on the right hand side.
          US is first.
          Brazil is second.
          China is third.

          Even when you apply the One China Policy and add China and Taiwan, you still don’t get anything approaching Brazil.

      • prin12

        Did you just say “CHINA” and “FACT” in one sentence?

      • Jenni

        my country didnt even make the chart! (NZ)

  • bang2tang

    epicanthic fold implant???

  • Dr Sun

    I know this guy he has a profile on here, Pos was his most famous alias, but his current one escapes me.

  • RaphaeI

    Only Koreans who undergo surgery themselves (ironically to look white) would look like him. So basically he’s a white guy trying to look like a Korean trying to look white. Lol.

    • Zappa Frank

      Seems he just changed his eyes.. In a way that at least most Chinese do not like that much… So he is a western face with asian eyes…not enough to look Korean or Asian..

      • David Webb

        so he looks good he must not look Asian. that is classic white supremacy ideology. Anything that pertains to look good, handsome, sexy all must be part of being white. I think you got you head so far up your ass that you don’t even realize your own racism. You also arrogantly try to figure out what other people think and be certain that you are right all the time. Also, maybe you do realize your own racism but you don’t want to admit it because it will defeat the whole purpose of being a white supremacist, which is to feel superior than others.

        Your logic is also flawed again here. If his facial features look “western” then he must be part white, but he is not part white. nor did he get plastic surgery to have a face like that. So why you insist on saying that “he got a western facial feature”. Very simple, white supremacy ideology.

        This is the last ting i will say to you. With internet, blogs, news, Facebook, forum. People of other races start to realize how white people think. Your racism as a group is leaking out into the information network. You are not the only White person who thinks like this, trust me. The more people of other races deal with you. the more they realize just what type of people you are with the kind of deep seeded racist culture that corrupts your society from every level.

        I am not saying all white people are racist, but sure as hell there is a lot of you who are. Not KKK or Skinhead, but white supremacist, simply defined as white people who think they are inherently better than other ethnicity in either look, intelligence, taste, and culture, then materializing that pattern of thought into actual behavior. I have very optimistic outlook for the future, because i notice people of other races starting to really “understand you”. I can see it everyday on comments from you tube, forum, etc. One day you will be marginalized. People will see through your bull shit with one glance. That day will come.

        • Zappa Frank

          are you sure you wanted reply me? because really your reply doesn’t make any sense.

        • David

          Not if people like you are representative. And I have lived in Asia long enough to know you are not. What a sad little jealous boy you are.

        • Kai

          What the fuck did I just read? How did @zappa_frank:disqus say any of that? How did you read so much into his comment that he feels Max changed his eyes to look Asian but that’s about all he did and thus he still has his “Western” face with eyes that now look Asian. Therefore, if only his eyes look “Asian” but not the rest of his face, then Zappa feels not enough of him looks “Korean or Asian”.

          Pretty simple comment, dude.

          It’s like, I’m currently wearing all blue. I want to have a totally red outfit. I change my t-shirt to a red one. Do I now have a totally red outfit?

          Save the white cultural imperialism argument for someone who actually says something arguably guilty of it, not a poor innocent bystander like Zappa here.

    • David Webb

      yes because Koreans themselves say they get surgery to look white. You sound like a suspected white supremacist. Definition of white supremacy, any white person who thinks they are inherently better than none white. That’s all it means, it doesn’t mean you are KKK so don’t get it twisted.

      There are Koreans who are naturally born with big eyes and narrow face. No Korean going to doctor to say please make me look like a white person, they all said please make me look like this Korean idol or that Korean actress. So your logic is flawed. You are saying this to make yourself feel good, assuming that you are a white person. By making up delusional theory like how those Koreans try to look white, when no one even said that. Only white people keep creating this myth. Why those white people do so? So they can feel superior. Which is part of your everyday culture so i understand.

      • Zappa Frank

        I don’t know Korean but on advertisement of plastic surgery here in china I’ve seen white models, with angles and measures of their faces..

      • RagnarDanneskjold

        The people who make up that myth are cultural Marxists, who try to attack white/western culture by saying it is imperialist. Basically, you have to go to college to believe such nonsense, but America has a lot of college students.

      • nita

        The problem with your argument is that many idols and actors have had work done and don’t “naturally” look like that. For example, almost everyone in the girl group Girl’s Generation has had plastic surgery. So often, you’re getting people who want to look like other people that have had plastic surgery.

        • wrle

          Gg.. rumors are rumors.. Do you have proof girls generation did surgery? Why cant koreans or asians look like them without surgery. Have you ever seen a naturally pretty asian girl?

          • nita

            http://yoontaeyeon.wordpress.com/2012/12/18/news-snsds-plastic-surgery-has-unveiled-yoonayurijessicatiffanytaeyeonsunnyhyoyeon/

            Pictures don’t lie. You can’t suddenly go from single eyelids to double eyelids, large chin to small chin, or wide nose tip to slim nose tip, without surgery.

            That said, all these girls were totally beautiful before all these procedures were done, thus showing how fucked up kpop beauty ideals are.

          • wrle

            Oh please.. i did plastic surgery 10 times over if you compare me my childhood photos

          • nita

            First off, those aren’t childhood photos, they were teenagers and now they are only just into their 20s. Secondly, did you suddenly develop double eyelids that you didn’t have as a teenager? Did your nose tip or chin suddenly get slimmer from when you were a teenager?

            Again, pictures don’t lie, no matter how much you try to deny it. Even most of the Korean netizens make comments like “let’s get real…is there one member that is all natural?”

            http://netizenbuzz.blogspot.com/2013/02/snsd-addresses-plastic-surgery-rumors.html?m=1

          • wrle

            Lol ok whatever you want to believe.

          • wrle

            Ps rumors are just that.. Rumors, started and spread by kpop boyband loving fangirls. If gg were not physically attractive, no one would say things like that about them even if they actually did any surgery. Those are just some bad photos. I have seen other childhood photos of them when they were even younger and most of them look rather much the same. Just grow up, its entertainment who cares if they got surgery or not.

          • nita

            Grow up and accept reality. Denial is not just a river in Egypt. Again, your comment that those were just “bad photos” is exactly the kind of shallow mentality that drives people to plastic surgery. Why are those photos “bad”? Because they have single eyelids or wider noses? They looked perfectly beautiful before. Your shallowness is pathetic.

          • wrle

            Be honest. Those ARE bad photos. Thats why people use them to spread rumors. You have to be utterly insecure about your appearance to rake down good looking celebrities. im not denying they got surgery, some members probably did but they were selected by their company for their potential talent and looks. They are all beautiful in their own way.

          • nita

            No, they are not absolutely not bad photos. You have to extremely lonely, ugly, and pathetic for saying those photos of perfectly beautiful teenage girls are bad. They are surely much better than any photos of you. In any case, I am done arguing with a 5 year old troll. By all means have the last word, since winning an argument on Disqus is apparently your only hope for not ending your ugly, lonely life.

          • linette lee

            Don’t bother with these people. The KPOP loonies and the Koreans will always tell you Girl Generation are all natural. LOL. EVerybody knows they all had work done. Why not just admit it. It’s very hard to find a Korean celebrity that’s 100% natural. They are all pressured to look “the standard” even though there is nothing wrong with them to begin with. They changed their eyes and face shape to look the standard. It’s their culture.

          • Sillian

            No doubt some of them got something done but it’s also often exaggerated.

            Pictures don’t lie.

            Pictures can mislead. You can always cherrypick the most unflattering or most different-looking ones.

            http://tinyurl.com/p9jmvx8

          • nita

            The fact that you say those before pictures are “unflattering” is exactly the kind of mentality that drives people to plastic surgery. What is so unflattering about those photos? Is it unflattering to have single eyelids? A wider nose? No. Everyone is beautiful just as they are, and those girls were beautiful in those pictures.

          • Sillian

            So there is no such thing like unflattering pictures now? All pictures look equally good?

          • Sillian

            http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0010027711002022

            ► The same person can look very different in different photographs. ► Photos of the same person often look more different than photos of different people. ► This is true for judgements involving identity and judgements of attractiveness. ► No currently theories can account for within-person variability on this scale. ► Our findings suggest that photographs are not suitable as proof of identity.

            This is just to show you that you wouldn’t say “Pictures don’t lie” if you have some knowledge of photography. Pictures can ‘lie’ or mislead big time.

        • Sillian

          Another problem is that it is overlooked that many of them naturally look like that. This site has a lot of old pictures of Korean celebs.

          http://tinyurl.com/pcprddv

          But who cares? Natural celebs don’t remain in some people’s memory. They only remember and talk about plastic cases.

      • Comebackkid13

        You sound like a forum lurker looking to turn comments into something they are not. -10 for retarded post

      • Julius Evola

        It is objectively undeniable that the features Koreans look to obtain are most commonly associated with Europids.

        You can live in a fantasy land where Europeans all have epicanthic folds, uniform hair and eye colors and Mongoloid round-faces with the same incidence Koreans do, but this doesn’t make that world reality. It is a fantasy you have concocted in your head, because you are just as racially chauvinistic as the whites you deride (hence why you hate the idea of Asiatics finding anything European desirable), but you want a rhetorical device which allows you to explain away this racial chauvinism whilst still seeming “anti-racist”.

        Any fool can see through this. You are not Jewish. You do not have a high enough verbal IQ to pull it off. Sorry.

      • Mateusz82

        And he got surgery to look yellow. What in the above sounded like someone who thinks white people are inherently better? You’re railing against white people, though, does indicate how much you think they are superior. It doesn’t make you a yellow supremacist per se, just a racist.

    • Sillian

      He ended up looking awkward but I think he had someone like this Korean dude in mind. He’s not plastic.

    • wrle

      What is it with white people thinking everyone wants to look like them? Koreans and asians have their own standards of beauty. Eg having fairer skin has been a traditional status symbol because of not working labor in the sun. Many people naturally have rounder eyes or sharper jawlines. It does not means they are trying to be a white person.

      • Zappa Frank

        i don’t want to push any white supremacist, but on plastic surgery advertisments there are white faces, among models there are whites models (too many by far for a monoracial society, some were embarassing to watch even for me). Do this happen also in Korea? In Korea i know about some half korean got really popular..however not sure. Just to say is not that white people got this idea from nothing or that they pretend to be more good looking than asians.. Simply sometimes what you see makes you wonder what asians people are thinkg..

      • noodles76

        Many may refer to their favorite celebs for an idea of what’s attractive but when many of their favorite celebs get procedures to look less Asian and more ‘Western’…the end result is the same isn’t it. Double eyelids and rhinoplasty (to make the nose bigger) anyone?

        Personally, I don’t get it. I think Asian women in general are just fine. I don’t give a shit about double eyelids or the size of a chicks nose or if her eyes are rounder than the average Asian.

        • Sillian

          http://tinyurl.com/pcprddv

          On that site, you can see many pictures of natural Asians that are popular. So you think some of them look less Asian even though they are natural and Asian? What does it mean to look Asian then? Are Asian looks supposed to fit in a certain mold?

          • noodles76

            Are you being intentionally dense?
            .

          • Sillian

            I gave you many examples of Asian celebs who are considered attractive and natural. They represent a part of natural Asian appearances. Can you say they look ‘western’ as if their facial features are supposed to be exclusively found from Caucasians? This is the question I’m throwing at you. Koreans try to look like some of those celebs when they get plastic surgery. When Asians get plastic surgery after other natural Asians, they wouldn’t feel their looks become foreign or ‘western’.

          • Rick in China

            “They represent a part of natural Asian appearances”
            – the part that was penetrated by Marco Polo et. al., more modern Europe, and far earlier Roman Legions at some point in their family ancestry no doubt.

            Double-eyelid asians often implies children of rape.

          • KamikaziPilot

            Really some people think double eyelid asians are the product of rape? Why would they think that as many Asians actually have naturally occurring double eyelids. Never heard of this before.

          • Rick in China

            I was being a little facetious, but, genetically speaking, Asians with Caucasian DNA _were at some point mated outside of their ethnic group_ and those genetic markers were passed down. Noses and eyes being the two most obvious differences..

            I wasn’t serious about the ‘rape’ thing, more of an implication that as tribes grew into societies, and societies grew into internationally communicating and trading groups, more mixing of the gene pool would happen. It’s a great thing, not a bad thing, but that’s kinda how it goes – so when you point out “caucasoid’ features on people who claim to be purely ‘mongoloid’, it’s important to recognize that they’re not completely mongoloid — do you realize some people, genetically, in China, are genetically up to 70% caucasian? I’m referring to the people in Gansu (Liqian)…

          • KamikaziPilot

            Well I agree about the mixing part and I know what you mean by “Caucasoid” features on asians (higher nose bridge, double eyelid, jawline, etc.) but I disagree that anyone with those features automatically has some Caucasian DNA. I’ve seen more than a few Asians (esp. Japanese) who look like they are mixed but they are not, at least not to their knowledge. Some people even think my father is half white, when he’s not. Are you saying anyone with those features has Caucasian DNA? I know the further west in China you go the more the population probably has Caucasian DNA, which is logical since it’s closer to Russia and Europe. Also the former Soviet republics (Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, etc.) have many people with Caucasian and Asian features. I’m guessing a lot of people in the region also have Mongolian blood in them due to Ghengis Khan’s reign. I guess when you are near the border between different civilizations there will naturally be mixing.

          • Rick in China

            I think the key there is “at least not to their knowledge”. Almost nobody is “pure” anything. Family trees grow exponentially, especially in past centuries where it was common to have many children – not just 1, or 2, which would greatly hinder the spread of a broader gene pool, in combination with other factors.

            Appearance is a VERY small part of our DNA. There are, however, some “signature traits” of specific lineages of Humans. You can not simply “possess” a signature trait without mixing another lineage into yours – except in random mutation examples – eyelids being one such example. There are genetic markers which determine how our eyelids form. East Asian eyelids form in a way that makes them appear to be 1 lid, whereas white/black/other appear to have a fold in that lid, that’s not random – it’s based on our DNA. As people mix, they share the liklihood of having different apparent traits with their offspring – sometimes they will, sometimes they wont, and sometimes genes are dominant – which means _very likely_ – and as a result rip thru the gene pool quickly by appearing in almost all offspring whereas the recessive is more of an abnormality.

            My wife has some caucasoid features. Her family, while “Han”, her grandfather was quite tall and most old pictures depict lighter skin and higher nose bridge than would be expected. They’ve probably got some mix up in their lineage too. Now – they definitely do. :D That being said, the whole notion of “purity” is ridiculous and should be abolished, mixing is good, the more people learn about genetics the more people may accept the fact there is no “pure” and lots of the traits people share now are the direct result of mixing in past generations.

            RE: “Some people even think my father is half white”

            Um..let me give you an obvious example here: Obama. His mom is as white as you get, right? So, he appears black to us, he has a black wife, they have apparently black children, but one of those children may perfectly easily have a *fully white* baby, weird..right? Not weird, that’s just how the basic concept of genetics works.

          • KamikaziPilot

            I agree that there really isn’t a pure race if you go back far enough and that physical appearances are a very small part of our DNA. After all I believe all humans have something like 99.99% similar DNA to each other. It’s just very small variances that account for the physical differences. I know about physical traits that are specific to certain ethnic groups, such as blue eyes being a recessive genes passed on. However, I never heard of this double eyelids being a DNA trait. Then you would be suggesting that every Asian who has double eyelids has some non-Asian DNA in them inherited in the past. But it really gets confusing because in the end we are all related, it’s just a matter of how far back you go back (that’s if you subscribe to the “out of Africa” theory). So instead of Caucasian DNA it might be African DNA that causes the double eyelids in Asians. And Europeans with lower than average European nose bridges might have Asian DNA. I really don’t know.

            Well for Obama you can tell he isn’t pure African (the definition of “pure African” is also ambiguous) just based on his skin color and physical features, but I get what you’re saying about the possibility of one of his ancestors appearing full white. My brother in law is half Chinese, half white and he really does look pure white, so I know some of it is random. Anyway at the end of the day to probably 99% of the population, race is more of a social concept than a scientific one. Ex. Obama wouldn’t be considered “black” in S. Africa.

          • linette lee

            Just because your wife looks like Eurasian doesn’t mean she has white blood. A lot of Chinese people look Eurasian and all their great grand parents are Chinese 100%. I know a lot of Chinese people who looks like Eurasian. Also the way they dress and the hair. I get mistaken as Russian a lot when I dye my hair to dirty blonde. My eyes are light brown outdoor. When I walk in the Russian neighborhood they think I am Russian and talk to me in Russian. Also a lot or Russian look Asian also like mixed. But I am 100% not mixed. I am Chinese so is my brother. A lot of Chinese looks Eurasian but they are 100% Chinese blood.

          • Rick in China

            Oh silly Linette.

            Please, go here: http://www.23andme.com

            Buy a kit. $99. You wont regret it. Why? Because you’ll see that there isn’t much of a “100%” case any more. It’s a matter of *how* mixed, and what types of genes carried down. You may, in the process, spark some interest and do some research on genetics and how it carries down… “my grandparents are both Chinese so I’m 100% Chinese blood!” = lol. ;D

          • linette lee

            $99?? That’s too much money! LOL. I know both my great grand parents are Chinese. XD

          • Zappa Frank

            they look Eurasian if they have some euro ancestor along the line, else they do not look Eurasian simply as that. But maybe the problem may be that we do not agree about what is Eurasian.
            You did not look like a Russian at all, you may have looked like a kahanzkan or other Asian minorities present in Russia..

          • linette lee

            You are right. A lot of those minority in Russia have this kind of look. I think they are mixed. They all speak Russian. They speak to me in Russian every time I go there to russian supermarket when I had my hair dirty blonde. But they don’t when I dye my hair back to dark color. LOL.

            http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aXw4RvMXNs8/TiDXv-rV0_I/AAAAAAAAB_c/3UJN_FzOie4/s400/lilya%2525204%252520ever%252520SPLASH4.jpg

          • Zappa Frank

            Japanese seems to be the result result of jomon and yayoi. Seems jomon weren’t Asian, but australoid, they do have some Caucasoid-like features…this explanation has been used to justify the appearance of some Japanese (that remain Asians)

          • KamikaziPilot

            Maybe, I really don’t know. I do subscribe to the theory that we’re all related, it’s just a matter of how far back you go.

          • Zappa Frank

            it happen also the opposite. some Europeans that have sometimes some Asians features. In my home town there is a guy with Asian eyes and he got pissed off by the many times people asked if he was Chinese..
            Roman legion in china at the moment is just a story, nothing sure..

          • Rick in China

            Yep, both points true – of course it happens ‘both’ ways, that’s kinda how mixing works :P my baby is predominantly Caucasian features with a touch of asian up in there, for example, and I think it’s beautiful. The whole point I was making is, claiming “those are Chinese features” is ridiculous – no, it’s European features that have been carried down through some mixing between Chinese and likely trade partners in the past, and the citations of where it came from were intentionally vague and more fun than scientifically accurate. However, that being said:

            The roman “story” is potentially just a story, but there is only increasing, not decreasing, evidence to suggest it is in fact true. :D

          • Zappa Frank

            just a bit off topic, evidences shows a mix along the silk road, on the town of Liqian, but do not tell us if the mix was with romans or other Caucasians. To tell the truth since apparently old bones were of people 1.8m tall and even now some people have blonde hairs I doubt were the V roman legion lost in the battle of Carre under Crassus, since is true that Romans legions employed many “barbarians”, but not likely during the republican times.

          • Rick in China

            I don’t know enough about it more than a couple articles on the subject, so can’t really argue the point with any merit. It’s interesting none the less, inconclusive as it may be on either side, and kinda fun to believe may be true. :D

          • Sillian

            I know you are not being so serious, but natural double eyelids are not that uncommon on Asians. Not the majority but still millions of Koreans naturally have them. Even more common on Southeast Asians. I see no evidence that the main source of double eyelids on Asians was ancient Caucasians who traveled from the west.

          • Rick in China

            “I see no evidence that the main source of double eyelids”

            You’re not looking. Open your rape-produced eye-lids. It’s not only the *main source*, it’s the *only source*~perhaps you should do some basic anthropological / genetics research on the subject before staking claims :D

          • Zappa Frank

            Rick, this cannot be, first in case there were also Ainu or other population with Caucasian-like traits that may have contributed (and apparently they did in japan), second the variation inside a population can be high, especially if the population is huge, and can produce many differences.. else is like to say black hairs in Europe are results of Mongolic’s rapes..or other Asian origin.. it is a non-sense..

          • Rick in China

            I’m not sure what you’re referring to (the “it can not be”) – I assume it’s the whole lost Roman garrison thing? I don’t know – just know it’s still an open question…

            “Black hairs in Europe” well, I think you can watch this, please be offended :P

          • Zappa Frank

            rick I can’t watch youtube, don’t have a vpn.
            I’ve pointed the black hair, because is the same as double eyelid for eastern people. Except in Europe all people in the world have dark-black hair, except in east asia all people in the world have double eyelid. To assume that double eyelid in asia come from Europeans is like to assume that black hairs in Europe come from east asia..

          • Rick in China

            If you check out something cool called 23andme – you can actually see the ancestral genetic breakdown of _yourself_, and you will be surprised. My buddy recently visited and just had his submitted, and even though he “appears” to be a blond hair blue eyed English-parents to you and me, genetically, he has mixture from all over Europe, even (as most of us) a percent of neanderthal DNA. Appearance is a *very tiny* part of our DNA, and yes, some lineages and ancestries have different traits which may only be shared through mixing, you don’t have, for example, blond hair blue eyed native Africans in distant tribes, do you? How many of them have single-eye lids or straight blond hair? If they mixed with someone of a lineage which had those traits, however, over several generations, there would appear to be random sproutings of those traits in children – even if they *appeared* to have two native African parents…because that’s sort of how genetics works.

            I don’t know the history of *black hair* specifically, but there is certainly much more commonly dark hair in the south/east of Europe than say, the far north, no? Is this not indication of a broader mixing of gene pools?

            Don’t get me wrong, I’m *for* mixing, not against by any means, just that’s sort of …. how … genetics … works.

          • Sillian

            Rape-produced eyelids? Really now? I thought you were just joking but maybe you are serious? Why don’t you point me to any legitimate academic source that claims ancient Caucasians were the only source of natural double eyelids on Asians today? I tell you it won’t be easy.

          • Rick in China

            It’s absolutely much more common in Southeast Asian populations. They have also had more significant settlement with Europeans during oceanic trade over the last couple millennia. I don’t claim to have all of the anthropologic/genetic details here, but China has always remained far more homogenous than many SE asian nations and certainly there is indication that “northern” populations from the east asian descendants maintained their single eye-lids, while southeast asians departed and went far more mixed, far more quickly. Ancient Chinese art may be one of the most obvious indications. Look at the Terracotta warriors. I don’t see any double eye-lid warriors, and upon searching for random old Chinese artwork/status/etc again, no double-lids. I don’t know the gene which is responsible for the double eyelids nor whether it has been isolated as “not” part of the mongoloid DNA identifiers, it certainly may have been. I don’t know why you’re so defensive over the eyelids anyways, sore spot perhaps? “I see no evidence”, erm, based on all your research and understanding? Big fuckin’ deal, all you’ve done is put out nonsensical made up statistics (20-30% koreans have xxx) … not much worth the time.

          • Sillian

            Why don’t you watch your language first and back your own claims with sources before calling someone who’s doubting your random claims ‘defensive’? The burden of proof is on you.

            You are even attributing frequent occurrence of double eyelids on Southeast Asian people to trades with Europeans. What about Austronesian peoples?

            all you’ve done is put out nonsensical made up statistics (20-30% koreans have xxx)

            The number varies depending on the sources but it’s usually between 20~30% and this includes infold double eyelids. These sources say 22% and 32%.

            http://tinyurl.com/mjlpugd
            http://tinyurl.com/pabg6vf

          • Dr Sun

            more genetic garbage from Rick, but this time some completely unfounded “anthropological” nonsense thrown in as support.
            Rick give up with the scientific stuff as you have no idea about science or how to use it in a argument. Stick to what you do best, wild generalisations, speculation and rhetoric.

          • noodles76

            I get it. It’s like this….

            Asian girl goes to the plastic surgeon….

            (Girl)…..
            I want double eyelids. Not the double eyelids that almost all westerners have, the other kind of double eyelids that very few Asians have.

            I also want to change the shape of my nose. I want the tip of my tiny nose to be bigger. I don’t want an implant to make my nose look like a westerners nose, I want it to look like the nose of (insert Asian person here) since her nose looks more beautiful than that of most Asians women.

            (Doc)
            So…you want double eyelids like most westerners have and a longer/bigger nose just like most westerners have. Great! You qualify for our Big nose/Double eyelid discount. These are our most common procedures and due to such stiff competition, we offer a low price.

            (Girl)
            No, I want double eyelids like few Asians have and a nose like few Asians have. Don’t you understand?

            (Doc)
            …mumbles under his breath…
            Dumbass.

          • Sillian

            You are making it more complicated than it is.

            Asian girl goes to the plastic surgeon….

            (Girl)
            I want to look like (insert some Asian celeb she wants to resemble here).

            (Doc)
            Okay. Let’s see.

            Double eyelids are not that much uncommon on Asians and most of those Asian celebs have narrow and straight noses than tall noses.

            If some white girl dyes her hair pitch black, is she trying to look like Asian because black straight hair is extremely common among Asians while it is much less common among Caucasians? You are only caring about the frequency of occurrence in different races.

            Popular western media might have influenced Asians for many decades. That might have contributed to why many Asians currently prefer certain looks on Asians. The point is that Asians still have their own standards based on natural Asian appearances and they don’t go to a plastic surgeon and say they want to look like Caucasian.

          • noodles76

            Again, what they may say and the end results are conflicting.

            If double eyelids are not uncommon among Asians. Would you care to explain to me why it’s the most common procedure performed in many parts of Asia? Sure, it’s not super rare anymore in Korea for example…likely because many who do not have them naturally have had them added artificially. Yes, some Asians have them naturally, just not nearly as many as you believe. Putting double eyelids on people even has it’s own damn medical term…East Asian blepharoplasty. Seriously, I am not making that shit up.

            And please, with plastic surgery rates being what they are, don’t talk to me about the Asian standards based on natural Asian appearance. Natural appearance = no fucking surgery.

            If an Asian says…..I want to look more Asian….. please give me double eyelids and an implant in my nose…and while you’re at it, make my skin whiter. Something is off kilter.

          • Sillian

            20-30% of Koreans naturally have double eyelids. They are in the minority but not some super minority as you seem to imply. Double eyelids become much more common as you go south in Asia. The eyejob is the most popular procedure in Asia because most Asian females who do not have double eyelids want them above all. They can always see double eyelids on some of their peers and judge which they prefer. If many Asians did not naturally have double eyelids (say if they were as rare as Caucasians who have single eyelids, which is extremely rare) and it was something totally foreign to Asians, Asians would feel much more weird about the eyelid job, but that is not the reality.

            And please, with plastic surgery rates being what they are, don’t talk to me about the Asian standards based on natural Asian appearance. Natural appearance = no fucking surgery.

            A PART of natural Asian appearance because it is naturally diverse.

            If an Asian says…..I want to look more Asian….. please give me double eyelids and an implant in my nose…and while you’re at it, make my skin whiter. Something is off kilter.

            Why would an Asian want to look more Asian or more of something? Do Caucasians get plastic surgery on their face to look more or less Caucasian? You are trying to insert race everywhere. Also, light skin has been preferred in Asia or many parts of the world since many centuries ago.

            As I said, western media has influence in Asia. Many Caucasian celebs are considered good-looking by Asians. But I do not think the majority of Asians who get plastic surgery choose to do so in order to look like some other race like this Brazilian guy did. At least, not consciously.

          • noodles76

            I’ll agree with your last paragraph. To the rest, let’s agree to disagree. We’re going on in circles at this point.

          • Zappa Frank

            again that do not explain plastic surgery advertisements with white faces here in china

          • Sillian

            I’m not sure how common such advertisements are in China and I have no first-hand experience in China. I’m basing my argument on what I have observed in Korea. From all the articles I have read so far, Song Hye Kyo is one of the most frequently chosen people Korean women want to resemble. They all choose Korean celebs.

          • Zappa Frank

            Not so common, it was the first I’ve seen so far in some years, that is why I was surprised. But on the other side as said there also almost 30-40% of advertisements with foreigners, both females and males but mostly males, including some that gives me douche chills. Even among Chinese models are often choose the ones that look more Eurasians (if not really Eurasians).. so much that sometimes I almost think a few of Chinese in advertisements are more close to me than to a normal Chinese.. my point is that there is a conformation of beauty standards along the western one. Never been in Korea and I don’t know about it, but I’ve read even there of Eurasian that got popular… what about advertisements? are there or not foreigners?

          • Sillian

            They use many European models for fashion brand ads or magazines in Korea. I think Eurasian looks are generally popular in all of Asia. Many natural Asian celebs look close to Eurasians. Not too foreign but still exotic.

        • 나비

          I saw a Korean girl at a restaurant the other night with such obvious plastic surgery, it looked like she had taken her fork and shoved it up her nose in attempt at a white nose. Ugly as shit and made her look desperate.

          • noodles76

            Dude, I have seen terrible plastic surgery everywhere. Wherever there is plastic surgery, there is shitty plastic surgery and people who take it way too far.

    • prin12

      He doesn’t even look korean after the surgery. What the hell are you talking about?

    • wrle

      “Only koreans who undergo surgery themselves would look like him” ??
      He doesn’t even look korean! nor did he become more attractive. He just looks like a wax figure.

    • Li Hao

      hahaha hilarious

    • Guest

      “Only Koreans who undergo surgery themselves (ironically to look white) would look like him”
      l…why would they like him? have you seen the korean response? they’re grossed out

  • bujiebuke

    That last picture is the best. Paul Bearer gives two thumbs up with Asian Link.

  • 금정산

    This reminded me of Michael Jackson before he came off the wall.

    I don’t this excessive plastic surgery is so much about what people want to become. It’s more about their deep unhappiness and inability to accept themselves for who they are.

  • 白色纯棉小裤裤

    Yeah I wish to count the total number too, so China would be the second richest country in the world!
    However it does not work that way, to make any statistic meaningful you have to put population in the denominator. If you think otherwise I feel sorry for your math teacher.

    • Sillian

      You are right that per capita figures are more useful than absolute numbers in this context. Sometimes you need even further manipulation for better insight. For example, if someone asks why the average Chinese height is shorter than they thought, Chinese netizens would point out regional differences instead of the single number for the national average.

  • Matthew Garton

    Why do people do this to themselves? He looks much weirder and uglier than his natural self.

  • Stefan

    I bet we will see more non-east asian people get plastic surgery to look east asian in the future as east asian pop culture is getting increasingly popular outside of east asia.

    Perhaps people around the world will start to think east asians are the best looking people in the world?

    Hopefully East asian men can become the dream guy for most girls in the world. Why should the dream guys always be white guys ? It’s about time east Asian guys to have that position. I mean what’s not to like in East Asian men? And don’t tell me about small d***….plus northeast Asians are not short anymore.

    • mr.wiener

      That sir is a very big “if”.

    • Zappa Frank

      May be. But since even in china there are almost 50% (more or less, just to say a relatively high percentage) of foreigners models in their advertisements it would be a good result just to change this in Asia. However may be a sign of an attitude that is changing.

    • KamikaziPilot

      Wish you were right but I doubt it. Like Zappa mentioned, foreign (only white) faces on Chinese advertisements are a giveaway as to what’s considered beautiful in China. Also I think this particular case is more one person’s crazy obsession than a trend.

    • 금정산

      Why would you want people to find you attractive based on your race?

      Trust me, you don’t want a relationship with someone that superficial or someone who has difficulty looking beyond race.

    • noodles76

      Keep dreaming.

      • Alex Dương

        Considering that “Asian guys” make up about 1/6 of the world population, I guess it makes a lot of sense that many women are turned off by them.

        • noodles76

          I guess you missed the part where I was replying to a comment discussing non east-asian people trying to look more asian. The fact that they make up a large percent of the overall global population has absolutely zero relevance to the discussion.

          dumbass.

          • Alex Dương

            No, I didn’t miss that. I didn’t mention it because it is irrelevant: you’re insinuating that Asian men have deficiencies in “personality/hygiene/manners/education/social skills/independent thought.” And after you’re called out on it, what do you do? You ignore what it is that I called you out on.

            But props to you, noodles, because you sure know how to raise the quality of discourse here at Chinasmack!

          • noodles76

            I’m not insinuating, I’m flat out saying it. Yes, many Asian men are not considered attractive because of those things I mentioned. It does not matter if we’re talking about western women or Asian women…that shit just ain’t attractive.Deal with it. I never said all. Just most. So you’re calling me out on that remark by mentioning that Asians are 1/6th of the population? What…the…hell? Logic…where art thou?

            You’re a fucking tool. At least be honest about your mistake and own up to it instead of trying to cover it up like a little bitch.

          • Alex Dương

            I’m not insinuating, I’m flat out saying it.

            Then the fucking tool here is you, bud. Thanks for being “honest,” and props for having come to peace with being an unrepentant dumbass long ago.

            At least be honest about your mistake and own up to it instead of trying to cover it up like a little bitch.

            What mistake? That I tried to let you save face by saying that you insinuated prejudice as opposed to outright endorsing it? That’s not a mistake. The mistake is that I edited out what I said originally: go fuck yourself.

          • noodles76

            Whatever guy, we can all see how full of it you are. You want me the believe you edited something out for my benefit while leaving yourself looking like a complete buffoon. Sure.

            And, please go look up what the hell prejudiced means. Go have some conversations with non Asian women in China. I’ll help you out…among dating age single women…Chinese men and lack of (reasonable) dating opportunities are responsible for many a woman’s unhappiness. I’ve lived here for nearly 5 years. How long have you lived in Asia? In all that time, I met one woman who just had a thing for Chinese guys and fucked as many as she could….the majority of the rest just gave up…oh…and one who did meet a decent guy. Go read other forums, see what women have to say about dating in China. I’m not being prejudiced, but I do have…observational and listening skills.

            To reiterate, yes Alex…many (and I should have been clearer about this earlier) Chinese men do in fact have have issues with one or more of the following…personality/hygiene/manners/education/social skills/independent thought when it comes to what many non-Asian women have come to expect.

          • Alex Dương

            You want me the believe you edited something out for my benefit while leaving yourself looking like a complete buffoon. Sure.

            Considering that you often edit your own posts, this is surprising…how, exactly? When I got your first reply notification, this is all you said:

            I guess you missed the part where I was replying to a comment discussing non east-asian people trying to look more asian.

            dumbass.

            Look at what it is now. Seriously, your attempts at projecting your own prejudices and biases onto me is pathetic. I’m not the one who is making a blanket statement about what “most” of 1/6 of the world’s population act like. I’m not the one who calls a Brazilian guy who wants to “look Asian” a “fairy.” You are. So how about you listen to your own advice: own your prejudiced remarks and stop trying to project them to me.

            As for your “listening and observation,” hmm, never heard of confirmation bias?

          • noodles76

            So it’s an example of confirmation bias if if a Chinese guy I talk to (and thousands of his relatives)has breath that smells like a sewer? Or if in the summer…getting on a bus is enough to make a person gag? Also confirmation bias if almost every single non Asian woman I have talked to dislikes dating Chinese men for one or more of the reasons I mentioned.

            I’m not projecting anything on to you and you can’t point to where I am doing such a thing.

            Oh no!! I edited a post. True. You caught me detective. Now…when most edit a post they do so to clarify or expand on something they said. But again, you expect us to believe you edited a post for my benefit while making yourself look like a douche. So…you fail at that just as you fail at logic?

            You know what…forget it. You’re just….you. Not worth talking to.

          • Alex Dương

            So it’s an example of confirmation bias if if a Chinese guy I talk to (and thousands of his relatives)has breath that smells like a sewer? Or if in the summer…getting on a bus is enough to make a person gag? Also confirmation bias if almost every single non Asian woman I have talked to dislikes dating Chinese men for one or more of the reasons I mentioned.

            Yes. Yes. And yes.

            I’m not projecting anything on to you and you can’t point to where I am doing such a thing.

            Oh, but I can. And easily. I call you out on your prejudice, you double down and say you stand by your prejudice completely, and you even shake it off with “Whatever guy, we can all see how full of it you are.” Like I said, bud, I’m not the one generalizing how 1/6 of the world’s population act. I’m not the one calling a person who got plastic surgery to “look Asian” a “fairy.” That’s you. Own your bullshit and stop trying to pass it to me. I ain’t touching it.

            Oh no!! I edited a post. True. You caught me detective.

            So has staying in China for “almost” five years made you forget the golden rule, or were you never familiar with it anyway? If you edit your own posts, why would you think other people wouldn’t also?

            You’re a joke. But in all seriousness – no sarcasm – I do give you props for being honest and open about your prejudices. The other expats here who are also tools like you tend to deny it.

          • Kai

            I think you’re hurting yourself by trotting out the common expat “anti-Chinese” stereotypes like bad breath and body odor. Ironically, Chinese people have the same stereotypes about Westerners or “white people” too. They’re all based on some measure of truth but also a lot of misleading vividness fallacies.

            For example, coffee beath is pretty frightening, as frightening as cigarette and garlic breath (and garlic breath is kinda delineated along regional cuisines in China anyway, as it is in the West). Cigarette breath used to be pretty common in the West too and still is in some parts depending on how much society has progressed towards ostracizing the habit (I vaguely think this is more so in the US than Europe but…).

            There’s also plenty of body odor moments in the West too, especially if you take mass transit, something I learned after being pretty accustomed to driving in my own damn car. I take public transit a lot in China and the instances of BO aren’t more common than in the West for me given similar circumstances and population density. I say this even when I believe Westerners are a lot more conscientious users of deoderant and antiperspirants.

            I think the stereotype of bad breath and body odor is too much foreigners wanting to believe it true than having any real fair basis for it.

            As for single non-Asian women dislike dating Asian men, you don’t think there’s generally less non-Asian women in China/Asia? That there’s generally less socialized interest in non-Asian women to find Asian men attractive and desireable mating or relationship partners? That there’s far less social reinforcement of Asian men being the standard of attractiveness than non-Asian men? That Asian men in general are socialized with often different norms and notions for courtship and the pursuit of women? That Asian men in general may as a result have far less experience or “game” when it comes to pursuing non-Asian women? Etc. etc. etc.

            You don’t think any of these are relevant to mention as factors for why the non-Asian women you’ve talked to dislike dating Chinese men?

            Don’t you think that’s a bit unfair to the subject-matter? Isn’t that kinda like insisting it’s definitely their own fault that poor people are poor?

          • ex-expat

            In my experience (in mainland China) the standards for personal hygiene are indeed much lower. I think that the lack of widespread deodorant and antiperspirant use contributes significantly, and the same goes for dental floss. I have met a ton of people there that don’t even consistently brush their teeth. What about people openly picking their nose in public? Surely it can be argued that it happens in the West as well, but not nearly with the same frequency. Perhaps the fact that many women in the lower tier cities tend to not shave their armpits or legs also at least plays a part in the perception. Of course, not everyone is like that, and there are certainly people in the West who have poor hygiene, but as a whole what I have experienced in China is far worse than anywhere else I have traveled.

          • Kai

            I agree with you that the standards for personal hygeine are generally lower in China than in the West. Oh boy do I agree. That however still doesn’t automatically translate into there being more bad breath or body odor. It also doesn’t counter the thrust of my pushback against noodle’s rationalizations.

            There is nothing inherently wrong about nose-picking or not having shaved armpits. These are more behaviorial norms that were socialized into or out of people based on the preference of those who popularized them with their influence.

            As far as personal experience go, I haven’t found China to be worse than the West in terms of bad breath and body odor. I say this even though I agree that personal hygiene is worse in China. It is simply my experience. Experience can be tripped up by misleading vividness combined with confirmation bias. There’s a difference between saying personal hygiene is worse in China in general so they probably smell worse in general, and saying people sell worse in general in China because of my personal experiences and the subjective testimony of others.

            Personally, the place and people I’ve personally experienced the most body odor has been with Indians and other South East Asians. If we’re going to continue with the generalizations based on personal experience, I’ve also often found Middle Easterners and Hispanics to be overperfurmed or overcologned when not having body odor.

            As far as general hygiene and public sanitation is concerned, there are pretty bad places (and people) in China, but I think it’s far worse in general in South East Asia, including India. I’ve found that most people who say some stereotype is “worse” in China than “anywhere else” haven’t really traveled or really lived anywhere beyond China and their first-world home countries. China is often their first real experience in a developing country.

          • ex-expat

            True, there is nothing inherently wrong with almost anything, really. While not shaving is harmless despite being perceived as gross to those not accustomed to it, I would argue that picking their nose (and the snot rockets I might add) is “bad” in the sense that it transmits disease and actually affects other people.

            I haven’t been to India, though I imagine it is pretty bad, and perhaps much worse. I have been to South East Asia (Thailand and Cambodia), however. Cambodia was really shady in some places, and I imagine it is probably worse than China as well, though I didn’t have the time to experience it in the same way. I often find that when people first experience a new country, they often become enamored with the sheer exoticness of everything and are unable to experience things as they would had they actually lived there.

            I also lived in Western Samoa, which was pretty rough, though I don’t remember that being as bad as China either. Perhaps it was due to the population density and the fact that it was a tropical island.

          • Kai

            I agree with snot rockets. I just think of it as a more rural behavior that hasn’t yet been socialized out of a still urbanizing and cosmopolitizing Chinese society. Rural folk everywhere and throughout history have been associated with “uncouth” behaviors. I hate the snot rocketing, but since I understand why it’s still prevalent in China, I can’t bring myself to be too incredulous about it.

            Personal anecdote: My father snot rockets and he’s not even mainland Chinese. My mother and siblings are regularly and utterly embarrassed by him. Of course, we still love the dude. We just gotta accept that old habits die hard, man.

            Agree with you on initial exoticness.

            A lot of Pacific Islanders really resent if not outright are prejudiced against ethnic Chinese. They have a lot of choice criticisms about Chinese values and behaviors. For example, they often think Chinese are exploitive and greedy, or uptight. Chinese, for their part, share a lot of prejudices that many other people (especially Americans who “colonized” the Pacific) have about Pacific Islanders, that they’re lazy and unreliable, apathetic, without work ethic or responsibility.

            A common joke about this is that Pacific Islanders are the way they are because, fuck, they live in paradise. Why did anyone have to “work” or “make money” when you could just pluck food off trees every day and enjoy great weather and surf?

          • noodles76

            Of course there are other factors to consider but how how long of a post is…too long. Let’s go back a few steps and make this simple again without anyone getting all jittery.

            This comment that started things, and the comment I initially responded too.

            Hopefully East asian men can become the dream guy for most girls in the world. Why should the dream guys always be white guys ? It’s about time east Asian guys to have that position. I mean what’s not to like in East Asian men? And don’t tell me about small d***….plus northeast Asians are not short anymore.

            I replied that I doubted it was dick size that was at the core of the issue. And I expressed my belief that the day the OP is dreaming of…isn’t likely to happen. In fact, I said….

            Keep dreaming.

            P.S.
            It’s not the small dicks that likely turns many women off from the majority of Asian guys. It’s far more likely that personality/hygiene/manners/education/social skills/independent thought are more important than cock size. But I have no idea, just guessing.

            Yes, we went a bit off the rails and got mired in minutiae but that original sentiment still stands. Talking about whose breath smells like what is pointless, discussing who brushes their teeth more or the percentage of a population that uses deodorant on a daily basis is also pointless. But I think we would agree there are differences in the personal hygene/cleanliness habits that are considered generally acceptable between ‘western’ and Asian societies.To be more specific, mainland China. Hygiene is not only about breath and armpits.

            Many of the factors mentioned will depend on where you live as to how often they’re encountered, this should be obvious and go without saying. The larger cities will of course have more suitable dating opportunities for many western women. I’m sure many have found suitable partners who are Chinese. However, I do not live in the sticks and just about every woman I have met has expressed disappointment at dating in China for one or more of the reasons previously mentioned. Yes, this is anecdotal evidence and my sample size is limited but I am not trying to write a thesis paper so it’ll do. You can blame the expectations of ‘western’ women if it makes you feel better instead of getting defensive but I feel my position is a fairly accurate one in general and many arguing against what is at it’s core, a rather vanilla position, are being oversensitive.

            Some people will defend anything about China even if it’s a perceived slight and the truth/accuracy of the statement will never be taken into consideration. We have those idiots back home too, can’t stand them no matter what nationality they are. Not pointing a finger at you, you are usually balanced. Those who fit the ‘Nationalistic Dbag’ mold are readily visible here no matter what side they’re on.

          • Kai

            I think when you know something you’re saying is likely to be inflammatory, there’s no argument against taking as much length as you need to make sure you don’t unnecessarily offend people. Rattling off stereotypes about “the majority of Asian guys” and “why women don’t like them” qualifies in my book. Imagine if someone said the same thing about other races/ethnicities.

            Next, you can’t read Stefan’s comment outside of the context he provides in the two paragraphs above what you quoted. The central point of his comment wasn’t even about dick sizes. He was merely anticipating what some (even many) people have said about “what’s not to like in East Asian men” and pre-empting them.

            I think “keep dreaming” is an offensive response to Stefan. I don’t know what you found so offensive about what Stefan said there to warrant such a flippant and dismissive response. His notion that East Asians could become the dominant society and culture in the future?

            The rest of your comment doesn’t seem to address my pushback against your earlier comments and sentiments.

            I’m not trying to “blame” the “expectations of ‘western’ women” instead of the reasons you’ve cited. I’m asking why you feel such an obviously inflammatory subject doesn’t deserve more acknowledgement and discussion of very relevant factors?

            I don’t doubt that there are Western women who have tried dating Chinese guys and found them wanting. I also have no doubt that there are many Western women who haven’t even entertained the notion of dating a Chinese guy. Many of them preclude the possibility citing the very stereotypes you mention, never actually evaluating a Chinese guy pursuing them as to whether or not he actually is guilty of them. How many girls have seriously given a relationship a go and how many have already closed their mind to the possibility of a relationship from the start?

            How does the fact that there are far more Western men pursuing women in China than Western women pursuing men in China factor into this overall dynamic? Does it not reveal a very poignant and relevant sociological context that influences the judgements you’re making about Chinese guys relative to Western women? When we get to what “turns many women OFF from the majority of Asian guys”, maybe we should also give some attention to how much society “turns women ONTO” Asian guys at all?

            All of the things I mentioned are inherent to what Stefan was alluding to if not outright bringing up: white cultural dominance. You can’t do justice to the disparity of attraction between Western women and Chinese guys without at least acknowledging cultural dominance and the preferences people are socialized with by mass-media and historical inertia.

            This isn’t about writing a thesis paper or not; this is about being tactful and intelligent.

            If Chinese guys want to get Western girls, they need to figure out how to appeal to Western girls’ preferences. No escaping that. That said, there’s no dishonesty in properly acknowledging that the cards are stacked against them, just as the cards are often stacked against poor people when it comes to escaping their poverty.

            As far as oversensitivity, let’s see you rattle off a bunch of stereotypes about another race/ethnicity (or even class) as reasons why women are turned off “the majority” of them and see if you can escape some push back.

          • noodles76

            I typed out a rather lengthy reply…but it seems to have gone poof since I posted it. Curious.

          • Kai

            Things to do before insinuating that your comments are being deleted as a registered Disqus user:

            1. Refresh the page.
            2. Click the “load more comments” button at the bottom of the comments section until all comments are loaded.
            3. Look more carefully for your comment.
            4. Check your own user profile (http://disqus.com/noodles76/) and see if it is there. If it is, it certainly wasn’t deleted.
            5. Wait a few minutes and try the above again. Disqus’s servers sometimes lag. It happens.

            Have you found your lengthy reply yet? Because I’ve checked the Spam and Deleted folders and your name appears nowhere.

          • noodles76

            As I said, the browser was funky. I saw it in my profile but not in the thread.

            As I also said….curious.

          • Kai

            No, you were replying to a comment that said:

            I bet we will see more non-east asian people get plastic surgery to look east asian in the future as east asian pop culture is getting increasingly popular outside of east asia.

            It’s a bet premised on something happening. It’s more or less saying that members of a non-dominant society will emulate members of the dominant society. If East Asia becomes dominant in the future, will non-East-Asians of the future be more inclined to emulate the East Asians of the future?

            I think history has shown that to be how humans tend to operate. Whether or not East Asia will rise to a level of global dominance and influence similar to that enjoyed by Euro-America today remains to be seen. Maybe it won’t happen in our lifetime. Maybe it’ll never happen for a variety of reasons (it collectively gets nuked off the planet), but there is no hard and fast principle that makes it implausible as a possibility. Again, history has demonstrated otherwise.

            Stefan’s comment is a iteration of the “white cultural imperialism” or “dominant white culture” notion. It recognizes that standards of beauty are widely dictated by a historically dominant “white culture”, often aided by mass-media-fueled soft power. He’s saying if East Asian culture can surpass “white culture”, then what East Asians decide as desirable may subsequently influence what non-East-Asians feel as desirable. Maybe then Asian men will be widely seen as the standard for which all other men are measured against, just as “white men” arguably hold that position today. This is not an esoteric notion at all.

            So Stefan says:

            Perhaps people around the world will start to think east asians are the best looking people in the world?

            Hopefully East asian men can become the dream guy for most girls in the world. Why should the dream guys always be white guys ?

            And your response is a “keep dreaming?”

            Come on, dude, even you can see how that’s gonna annoy a lot of people.

            http://pbfcomics.com/archive_b/PBF076-Mountain_Dad.jpg

            You then follow it up with a PS that regurgitates the common “PC” argument for “why women don’t want you Asian men” citing a number of stereotypes.

            You wanna know how Alex Dương’s comment is relevant to what you said?

            He’s saying the fact that “Asian men” still make up a large percentage of the world’s population proves that there are still plenty of women mating with them, that your whole “It’s not the small dicks that likely turns many women off from the majority of Asian guys” is a gross and unncessarily mean-spirited exaggeration.

            What Stefan said offended you, and you reacted by being offensive in return.

          • noodles76

            Actually, you are way off base. What Stefan said did not offend me at all, why would it? I felt however, that he was incorrect…and I said so and said why. Alex’s attempt at making a point that Asian women mate with Asian men quite often….had nothing to do with the conversation up to that point. Nothing at all. Stefan was not referring to Asian women thinking an Asian man is the ‘ideal’ man or whatever. In fact he said….

            Perhaps people around the world will start to think east asians are the best looking people in the world?

            Around….the….world.

            It it was not clear I was also referring to non Asian women being attracted to Asian men, it sure as hell should have been.

          • Kai

            If MY other post is missing, then I’m almost certain you’re doing something wrong. See this response to you.

            What Stefan said did not offend me at all, why would it? I felt however, that he was incorrect…and I said so and said why.

            First, please explain to me what your “keep dreaming” response was responding to.

            Second, how was he “incorrect”? He didn’t say the reason Western women dislike Asian guys because of small dicks, he anticipated that being a possible answer some people would give. It’s not hard to see that given how reliably we see “Chinese have small dick” comments and jokes on cS throughout the years.

            If he had said it was because of small dicks, then you could say he was incorrect and explain why.

            But he didn’t.

            With regards to your disagreement with Alex, I think I’m going to exit that. It’s become glaring that you guys are misunderstanding each other AND are thinking the worst of each other. I’m gonna stop trying to help that situation.

            So again, I do think something about Stefan’s comment offended you. There has to be context to explain your response of “Keep dreaming”. What are you telling him to keep dreaming about? It can’t be anything abou small dicks because he didn’t make an assertion about small dicks. He only made a pre-emptive dismissal of it, which you agree with, so what is this “keep dreaming” about?

          • noodles76

            I’m really not so sure why you’ve got such a burr up your ass about it. It isn’t complicated. I don’t foresee Asian men in general and Chinese men in particular becoming what most women across the globe will consider attractive. Too much would have to change for that to become a reality. is it possible? Sure. Eventually. That’s not to say there aren’t handsome Asian men, of course there are. It’s not about handsome or not, it’s not that simple.

          • Kai

            It’s quite simple. Your contempt for that possibility may say something unpleasant about what you think the natural or preferred order of the world should be, or remain to be. It may say something unpleasant about what you think are immutable characteristics of Asian men versus other men.

            You’re pretty much saying, “your kind will never match us.”

            I suspect you haven’t quite thought of it that way, or that you’re communicating such implications. I can understand that, but that’s a problem too.

          • noodles76

            You are over-thinking this by a mile…

          • noodles76

            I am not sure what you’re doing now. You’re either being intentionally retarded or have some kind of issue with me.

            Whatever it is, deal with it. My comments were not fucking cryptic.

          • Kai

            Then it shouldn’t be difficult for you to explain what you want Stefan to “keep dreaming” about, right? I don’t think your comments are cryptic, but neither were Stefan’s.

          • noodles76

            You seem to think they’re cryptic since your trying your damnedest to interpret them into something they aren’t.

            Him….

            I bet we will see more non-east asian people get plastic surgery to look east asian in the future as east asian pop culture is getting increasingly popular outside of east asia.

            Perhaps people around the world will start to think east asians are the best looking people in the world?

            Hopefully East asian men can become the dream guy for most girls in the world. Why should the dream guys always be white guys ? It’s about time east
            Asian guys to have that position. I mean what’s not to like in East Asian men? And don’t tell me about small d***….plus northeast Asians are not short anymore.

            Me…

            Keep dreaming.

            P.S.
            It’s not the small dicks that likely
            turns many women off from the majority of Asian guys. It’s far more likely that personality/hygiene/manners/education/social skills/independent thought are more important than cock size. But I have no idea, just guessing.

            First of all…he asked a question. Though he likely meant it rhetorically…”what’s not to like in East Asian men?”

            Then he said…
            “And don’t tell me about small d***…”

            In essence, I agreed with him on that point. Small dicks are not likely to be a factor for most women to be disinterested in east asian men. I then went on to say what I though to be more relevant.

            Difficult?

          • Kai

            First of all, he suggested that “we will see more non-east asian people get plastic surgery to look east asian in the future as east asian pop culture is getting increasingly popular outside of east asia.”

            Are you saying “keep dreaming” to this?

            Second of all, he continued to say (or rhetorically ask) perhaps then “people around the world will start to think east asians are the best looking people in the world”.

            Are you saying “keep dreaming” to this?

            Third of all, he expressed his hope that “East asian men can become the dream guy for most girls in the world.”

            Are you saying “keep dreaming” to this?

            Fourth of all, he complains, maybe even “whines”: “Why should the dream guys always be white guys ? It’s about time east Asian guys to have that position.”

            Are you saying “keep dreaming” to this?

            Fifth of all, he argues: “I mean what’s not to like in East Asian men? And don’t tell me about small d***….plus northeast Asians are not short anymore.”

            Are you saying “keep dreaming” to this?

            You must’ve said “keep dreaming” to SOMETHING, right?

            Are you saying Stefan should “keep dreaming” because there’s plenty of things to not like in East Asian men? That would make sense, except he already provided the context of his remarks: a future where East Asian pop culture is dominant. “Perhaps” then, when East Asian pop culture occupies a position of influence as powerful as Western “white” culture does today, “perhaps” then East Asians will dictate what is “best looking”?

            Is that a unfathomable fantasy to you that he should “keep dreaming”?

            if so, then aren’t you dismissing everything that has contributed to how Western white culture has come to influence, even dictate, so much of what the international world considers attractive and desirable? Because if you are, the only conclusion is that you feel the way things are today are because it is how things “should be” or “are naturally”. That’s kinda irksome, dude.

            But if you don’t dismiss those things, then you’d necessarily understand Stefan’s premise. And if you do, then what are you telling him to “keep dreaming” about?

            Not once in any of my comments to you have I questioned your argeement with him about small dicks. Not once have I questioned you thinking other things are more relevant.

            What I’ve questioned is what you think Stefan should “keep dreaming” about.

            All you have to do is answer “I think Stefan should ‘keep dreaming’ about _______” and I will have more clarity about what you meant.

            Otherwise, it seems like you’re telling him to keep dreaming about a day where East Asian pop culture becomes more popular, to keep dreaming about a day where people around the world think East Asian people are the standard for beauty, to keep dreaming about a day East Asian guys can be idealized and pursued by non-East Asian girls, to keep dreaming about a day where “dream guys” are not white.

            Surely you can see how your “keep dreaming” response looks really bad as a response to what Stefan said, right? Because it WAS Stefan’s comment you were replying to, as you’ve verified. Your “keep dreaming” thus logically was a response to a specific thing Stefan said or a specific thing you THOUGHT Stefan said. What is it?

          • noodles76

            I’ve said what I had to say. I didn’t think it would be hard to follow since I spelled it the fuck out for you multiple times as if you were an autistic child.

            Now, please be so kind as to get off my nuts.

          • Kai

            Judging by your tone, I suspect I’ve just made a new enemy on cS, all because I’m holding you accountable to what you said.

            It’s kinda sad, because I’ve actually found many of your past comments agreeable.

            I regret that this played out this way. You had a whimsical email address associated with your account that I found amusing.

          • noodles76

            I am a bit disappointed too, I thought you were better than what I saw from you recently.

            I have no issues with anyone trying to hold me accountable for what I say, however……if you take a few deep breaths and put your ego down for a moment…I think you’ll see I explained my position clearly and on more than one occasion. You’re entitled to disagree with me, but what you’ve done in this thread goes beyond disagreement. You’ve been intentionally trying to misconstrue my words and I am not sure how I could have made them clearer.

            I am not a child, I do not consider you an enemy. I consider you….emotionally compromised(for whatever reason) and not acting rationally. This is not the Kai I have seen in other threads. I can only hope you are able to resolve whatever your problems are and go back to being the person i respected (even if I disagreed with you). I have no such hope for Alex, but I do for you.

          • Kai

            What have you seen from me “recently” that has disappointed you? Can you please link and quote exactly what I’ve said that has failed to live up to what you thought of me previously?

            I think you’re being disingenuous here. Me asking you to explain what you’re saying “keep dreaming” to has nothing to do with my “ego”. It has everything to do with you refusing to answer a legitimate question. Your refusal suggests you not willing to be held accountable for what you’ve said.

            If you want to argue that holding you accountable reflects something about my “ego”, fine, but it still won’t change the fact that you are refusing to answer a valid question and thus refusing to be held responsible for what you’ve said.

            Next, yes, you’ve certainly explained a position you at least want to be seen as holding, but again, you also certainly haven’t answered the specific question asked. You’ve instead continually dodged it.

            You cannot deny that you said something very specific in response to Stefan in this thread. I’ve repeatedly asked you to give a clear answer on what you were responding to with those words. I’m not trying to “misconstrue” you; I’m simply forced to speculate what you meant based on the available context (aka, what Stefan wrote). I think my speculations are reasonable, and when you refuse to actually state what you were responding to with “keep dreaming”, you only lend credibility to my speculations. There are only so many things Stefan said. You must’ve said “keep dreaming” to one or a combination of them. Nothing else would make logical sense. So how would YOU reconcile what you’ve said in response to Stefan?

            If your reply was based on a misunderstanding of something Stefan said (maybe you read too fast, it happens), you would’ve argued such much earlier. You haven’t.

            Therefore, I suspect your reply was a scoff at what Stefan said. That scoffing reflects a lot of unpleasant things about your inner beliefs, as I’ve explained several times now. I think you’ve realized that and it makes you uncomfortable. I’m even willing to bet it makes you uncomfortable because the implications of what you said is NOT how you generally see yourself OR how you want OTHERS to see you.

            That’s totally human.

            But it doesn’t change how your initial reaction ultimately revealed something about you. The premises Stefan hopes for made you uncomfortable, and there are reasons why, reasons relating to what place you think white guys and Asian guys ought to have in this world, now and perhaps forever.

            That’s arguably racist. But you don’t see yourself as racist (few people do), so my implication that your words revealed a measure of racism in you is something you cannot accept in order to preserve your conception of yourself, of who you are, and ultimately, your ego.

            This is why you will not give a straight answer to my question of what exactly you meant with your scoff of “keep dreaming”.

            Or at least that is the most logical and reasoned interpretation of your reactions, responses, and evasiveness so far.

            If you owned up to your scoffing and its offensive implications to others with humility and contrition, we wouldn’t be where we are now. I personally think everyone is falliable and liable to have arguably racist thoughts. The better of us just try to override our knee-jerk reactions with rationality, superego’ing our ids. But we put our feet in our mouths or sometimes we slip up. It happens. What’s important isn’t that we had such arguably racist beliefs but that we recognize them for what they are and try to change them to be more rational and FAIR people.

            You may scoff at the notion of Asian society dominating pop culture one day; you may scoff at the notion of that allowing Asian society to dictating global notions of beauty; you may scoff at the notion of that allowing Asian men to one day become the “dream guys” of non-Asian women in ways similar to how white guys occupy that position of honor in our present society. But if you can stop for a moment and realize how that reveals you harbor self-entitled beliefs that implicitly suggest racial superiority and inferiority, then you are presented with an opportunity to reconcile that with you desire to not be a “racist” person. You have the opportunity to introspect and change an unconscious something that betrays what kind of person you consciously want to be: someone who isn’t racist.

            There’s no shame in being wrong. There’s in fact respect in owning up to and demonstrating a desire to correct your wrongs.

            I argue with a lot of people on cS. It’s the nature of a discussion forum with contentious issues being bandied about. Sometimes I’m wrong. When I realize I am, either on my own or as persuaded by others, I own up to it. I wrote a fucking tome of a mea culpa when I was presented with evidence changing what I understood about the Hong Kong kid pissing on the street post. I was incredibly embarrassed but I owed everyone I argued against with the wrong informaton a proper apology. I think people who slink away and pretend something never happened are annoying, desperate to preserve their ego by not acknowldging the truth, the facts, or the validity of what others have said. My ego is based on not being so egotistical as to not acknowledge when I was wrong and give credit to those who deserve it.

            It is your evasive defensiveness that adds insult to injury. A “sorry, that was racist (or inexcusably offensive) of me, and that’s not the kind of beliefs I want to have as a person” would’ve gone far towards establishing yourself as an honest man who also doesn’t want to be what his words perhaps inadvertently made him sound.

          • noodles76

            Jesus fuck…you’re still going?

            Learn how to read. I’ve answered your questions more than once.

          • Kai

            All you have to do is answer “I think Stefan should ‘keep dreaming’ about _______” and I will have more clarity about what you meant.

          • noodles76

            I did. More than once.
            It’s clear you really like my nuts and simply can’t get enough. But…honestly…too much hair? Do you think I should shave them? Or do you prefer my nuts au naturel?

          • Kai

            Quote and link me to you doing that just once. More than once if you want to continue claiming you did it more than once.

          • noodles76

            From here…

            http://www.chinasmack.com/2014/pictures/brazilian-man-becomes-korean-after-10-plastic-surgeries.html#comment-1428727149

            To answer you very slowly..since you haven’t gotten the point yet…
            Keep dreaming was….. a…..direct….. response……. to..

            Hopefully East asian men can become the dream guy for most girls in the world.

            From here,,

            http://www.chinasmack.com/2014/pictures/brazilian-man-becomes-korean-after-10-plastic-surgeries.html#comment-1428701632

            I’m really not so sure why you’ve got such a burr up your ass about it. It isn’t complicated. I don’t foresee Asian men in general and Chinese men in particular becoming what most women across the globe will consider attractive

            And…

            http://www.chinasmack.com/2014/pictures/brazilian-man-becomes-korean-after-10-plastic-surgeries.html#comment-1428278642

            I replied that I doubted it was dick size that was at the core of the issue. And I expressed my belief that the day the OP is dreaming of…isn’t likely to happen.

            There’s three you jackass.

          • Kai

            Then why didn’t you simply answer “yes” when I asked you:

            Third of all, he expressed his hope that “East asian men can become the dream guy for most girls in the world.”

            Are you saying “keep dreaming” to this?

            …ONE WEEK AGO?

            Since you’re saying “yes” to that being what your “keep dreaming” was a scoff of, then my initial objection to you:

            So Stefan says:

            Perhaps people around the world will start to think east asians are the best looking people in the world?

            Hopefully East asian men can become the dream guy for most girls in the world. Why should the dream guys always be white guys ?

            And your response is a “keep dreaming?”

            Come on, dude, even you can see how that’s gonna annoy a lot of people.

            ..remains valid, right?

            Your inability to entertain the possibility of Asian pop culture dominance lifting Asian men into a sociological position enjoyed by white men today says something unpleasant and arguably racist about your worldview.

            EDIT: Seven hours later and no reply from Mister Moderator? Perhaps you have been busy making mountains out of other molehills or being as retarded in real life as you have been in this thread. I can only imagine how busy being stupid must make somebody. On the plus side, Alex sides with you. That’s something I guess.

            You posted your comment at ~12 noon China Standard Time. I’m guessing you posted this edit ~7pm China Standard Time. At 12 noon, I was sleeping because I stayed up watching the US vs. Ghana game. At 7pm, I was probably on the shitter or handling other matters I have to attend to in the course of daily life. I’m sorry I’m not available to answer you immediately when you want me to.

            EDIT2: You’re an embarrassment (as Moderator) to this forum.

            Aw, now you’re just being mean.

            EDIT3: Still nothing to say sweetcakes? You can reply to other threads but not here? Way to be a man. Nice to see how Mods can behave here. Fucking pathetic. Mr. Wiener should slap you in the mouth for being such a gimp bitch.

            Now you’re just being childish. Please review our comment policy.

          • mr.wiener

            I don’t slap people, but in your case I’m tempted to make an exception.
            You are gone.

          • Rick in China

            In an attempt to interject to this ridiculous conversation, here it is:

            Keep dreaming is typically posed from the ‘superior’ to the ‘inferior’. It’s a statement which implies, basically — you have a reason to want this, but, your reasons are full of hope in circumstance which is mostly based in subjective self-justified fallacy. I think in this case it’s saying — yeah, you are in this circumstance, so obviously based on your own lack of self-worth, feel that people you don’t know pinning your *race* up as the “dream man” would fulfill you in some way, but it’s just a dream because the whole concept is based on the fact your *completely insecure with yourself* in the first place. I don’t know anyone who is *secure* with themselves in any real context who says “I wish xyz would happen, maybe then my would become most desired!”

            The fact it’s a “dream” indicates someone needs some self-confidence and sense of self-determination.

            More directly on the surface of the issue, asian women are clearly “highly desirable” world wide, but I don’t see white women getting single eyelid surgery.. is that a thing somewhere? No idea, never even entered my mind.

          • noodles76

            So he can use the word hope but I can’t say dream in a direct response to the sentence he used the word in? Give me a fucking break. What kind of nonsense is this?

          • Rick in China

            Of course you can. That’s not what I’m saying, I’m just stating objectively what it appears like to both sides.

            In fact, while you’ll notice the people you’re arguing with are all of Asian decent (At least I’m quite sure..thus having a dog in this fight, obviously :D) therefor likely take some offense to “keep dreaming”, I don’t think they’re realizing how it feels on the other side. When I read the OP go on about how he dreams “asian men” are the epitome of awesomeness instead of white people (with the premise that is even the case, which is just inferiority complex manifest) and it’s about time they are the best and women all want them, it’s also a little, I want to say offensive but I think it’s more just stupid and annoying, nobody wants to hear some whiney bitch go on about how he wishes he was in some group dynamic that was better than you, and in that context I think pointing out how ridiculous his post is with a “keep dreaming” is an apt response, as would “stfu” or something similar.

            That being said, when (if?) I have a little boy, he’ll be half Chinese – and if he has this sort of inferiority complex simply because he’s Chinese I’d be beyond disappointed. How would that conversation go? Maybe something like this:

            If you need to feel that your ‘mix-blood group’ of people is looked at with reverence in order to have reverence for yourself, you will be fighting a losing battle – for it is the individual not the group which makes you awesome, it’s how you portray yourself, how confident you are in yourself, how you act and interact with others, it’s how you carry yourself through a crowd and how you treat people around you.. none of these traits come from being part of a fucking group, and I hope you grow out of this high-school-in-crowd wish-i-was-cool-too mentality, otherwise you will be forever lost.

          • noodles76

            If you have a son I doubt this would be an issue, ditto for my daughter. I’m sure we’ll try our best to teach them self-confidence and self-worth.

            That said, I think some folks are over thinking the fuck out of a relatively simple comment.

          • Alex Dương

            Keep dreaming is typically posed from the ‘superior’ to the ‘inferior’.

            Kai tried to make that point with the cartoon he linked to. noodles either doesn’t get it, or more likely, he gets it but doesn’t want to admit the superior / inferior connotation exists.

          • Kai

            You’ve done a great job in shifting attention to what Stefan said and how it reflects upon Stefan. I agree with what you’re saying about Stefan. He has a comment history of demonstrating this sort of insecurity.

            That said, and to the extent that you are, you’re reaching to whitewash noodle’s “keep dreaming” and the implications of that scoffing response to Stefan. Stefan’s insecurities doesn’t absolve noodles of his racist response. A black guy openly musing about a day where they are not an underclass would not justify a white guy scoffing at him in response. Fair is fair.

          • Rick in China

            I know what you’re trying to say, but, they are not equals.

            Stefan’s muse is not about being “equal”, but about being superior. There is a difference between an underclass desiring equality and fairness and an underclass essentially saying “one day I truly hope you’re seen as less than us! We deserve to be seen as better than you!” or something of that sort. I totally believe in equality, and am willing to fight for it – and I do think that on the macro scale Asian men in general get a bad shake in terms of how a lot of idiots see them, however, the way to get beyond that is to stop segregating about race, and start segregating about individual – and individuals who dream about their race being great or superior…..are individuals who need therapy. :D I hope you get what I mean here. My child will be mixed, but *wont*, if I can do anything about it, feel any sort of insecurity because of her *whiteboy half* or *china mom* half, and rather, she is who she is and there is no feeling of *halves*.

          • Kai

            I understand why you think my analogy is not equivalent. I should’ve added a desire to be “superior” (or actually “dominant”) after “underclass”. What I was trying to say and my intention was to make the black guy analogy perfectly synonymous with what Stefean said except for a different racial identity. Yes, Stefan’s comment reflects BOTH his perception of Asians males being an underclass AND his desire for a day where Asian males are dominant, an understanding I hope was evident in my earlier comment. I intended my analogy to be the same.

            I absolutely agree with the rest of what you’re saying.

          • Rick in China

            Like I said. I got what you were trying to say, just that – the way it is worded, and the backlash it received – is not unexpected. If the situation were different, and some dude posted about his insecurities when he goes out and how black men are seen as epitome of sexy beasts and poor old white boys were just left aside at the club, and oh poor me, then white boy posted on the ‘net about how one day he wishes women saw white men as big strong powerful sexy beasts who could dance and sing, and play basketball, surely you can imagine how much of a taunt that poster would receive as a result, no?

            That’s what happened here. the whole point is, whining about your race doesn’t help you and if your race becomes “something”, first and least, you don’t automatically become something too, rather — focus on improving yourself, and know your qualities, and find self confidence, because perceptions are only that – perceptions – and who really gives a fuck what random stupid people think about you or your race..rather, surround yourself with people who have individual thought and can recognise greatness in more than appearance.

          • Kai

            I can imagine your hypothetical if we existed in a world of black culture dominance. In that world, I’d take issue with the black guy who taunts the white guy just as I’ve taken issue with noodles here taunting Stefan.

            I agree that whining about your race doesn’t help. My point is that noodles isn’t helping either.

          • Alex Dương

            This is funny. Kai already indicated that he thought your “keep dreaming” was in response to Stefan’s “Hopefully East asian men can become the dream guy for most girls in the world”:

            So Stefan says:


            Hopefully East asian men can become the dream guy for most girls in the world. Why should the dream guys always be white guys ?

            And your response is a “keep dreaming?”

            Come on, dude, even you can see how that’s gonna annoy a lot of people.

            You then say that Kai is “way off base,” though that seems to mostly refer to his statement that you were offended by Stefan. In regards to Kai’s actual point, you didn’t respond to it other than dismissing it with “It sure looked like you put a lot of time into that post, you even found a comic to attach.”

            Stefan may be wrong, sure. But you seem to not realize what you’re implying when you dismiss his comment with “keep dreaming.”

          • Kai

            And who can not appreciate Perry Bible Fellowship? Kids these days…

            Seriously though, I guess we can say “keep dreaming” doesn’t necessarily mean “offended”. We could substitute “incredulous”, “scoffed”, “bemused” but they all suggest some sort of “offense” with a notion.

          • Alex Dương

            I think in this specific context, the feeling is more of incredulity and more of a scoff than offense. Having said that, I acknowledge that if you scoff at something, you were probably at least mildly offended.

          • Kai

            True, but incredulity and scoffing would still justify my concerns about the sentiments behind his response to Stefan.

            Edit: Oops, you already know this as evidenced by the “But you seem to not realize what you’re implying when you dismiss his comment with “keep dreaming.” you just edited into your comment.

          • Alex Dương

            I partially agree. I can let incredulity pass but not so much scoffing. “I don’t think so” or “Probably not” are examples of incredulity IMO, whereas “keep dreaming” or “pfft, yeah right” are definitely scoffs.

            So yes, I do think your comments were valid in this case. I don’t think it’s a case of “reading too much into it.” Uncomfortable points are being raised, which they should be raised if an opinion like what Stefan gave is being scoffed at.

          • Kai

            Yeah, I don’t think Asian society and culture is going to reach the level of dominance that white culture enjoys today in our lifetimes. I don’t think we’re ever going to see Asian male models in advertising and fashion with the same prevalence as white male models. Etc.

            I just find it objectionable that someone can’t easily imagine a different world with a different dominant culture given how it could’ve easily happened throughout history. Forget Chinese and Asians, it could’ve been Middle Easterners or Indians. It could’ve been black people. It could’ve been neanderthals (bless their thick-browed hearts).

            Chinese people once scoffed at the notion that Europeans could rival their culture and society. Again, look what happened.

            P.S. – Sorry, I’m kinda musing in general, not directed at you. You’re more or less the choir relative to me in this issue.

      • FYIADragoon

        The small dicks thing is just a myth to begin with. I’d say cultural differences might be the answer you’re looking for here. Hygiene, manners, and education? When most of the Western men I’ve seen in China can’t even master the basic art of shaving, you’re giving points for hygiene? Manners? Most guys in China would be trash in their home countries with how they act. And education? Last time I checked, Chinese high school students were vastly more capable than their counterparts in the West (with a few rare exclusions for Northern Europe). The issues with social skills come down to a cultural difference. Independent thought? Come on now, just because they eat the nationalism BS on occasion doesn’t mean they’re drones. Every country has people like that. Try talking to one of them.

        The real reason that whites do well in China is just stereotyping perpetuated by the West for ages. That’s the truth of the matter, and its going to take time to erase it.

        But, the guy above you is also crazy for believing this surgery will become normal, so meh, I guess.

        • Zappa Frank

          Social skills are important if Chinese guys try to catch western girls,. For the rest it’s all right, but that whites do well in china is not a stereotype, is mostly and sometimes sadly, true. Chinese themselves many time took westerners as model of beauty, just look at advertisements, why whites face for a mono racial country? Some advertisements, like one of a Toyota car, with an Asian girl hugging a bearded west man looking for protection, gives douche chill to me too…

        • noodles76

          You’re missing a rather large part of the point. Not many western women are willing to accept what is considered the norm here or what is average or likely anything close to average. That does include all or some of the things I mentioned and of course other factors as well. I won’t get into a debate on if the schools here are good or not, it’s not the point really.

          Not sure why you brought foreign guys in China into the equation either, as far as I’m concerned, that’s also not relevant to the point. I am not saying that Western guys are better than Chinese…although some simple minded folks may see it as such….it’s just that what is OK here and normal here will likely be more than a little off putting (especially when it comes to dating and what is considered attractive) to many western women and for obvious reasons. The foreigners you are talking about, also would not be considered attractive by many western women, I won’t argue with you there…but again it’s not the point. Even as a guy I found dating here to be quite difficult and really…boring as hell. You say they aren’t drones and that may be true however (pulling a number out of my ass) 80% of the women I dated asked the same questions and said the same things as close to verbatim as could be expected. This is not the point though.

          And dude…yeah I’ve talked to a few. Almost 5 years here and I have a Chinese family and many local friends. That little girl in my avatar is half Chinese. I know very well there are exceptions to every made up rule.

        • Rick in China

          You’re right FYIADragoon.
          I agree that most guys in China are by far superior when it comes to manners, education, and hygiene..that’s definitely my experience too. I especially like the end-of-day smell of a shower that has only just began to wear off since it was taken, at earliest, the night before, it’s so…. musky, and real! The girls must not be swooning for some other reason, care to take a guess?

    • Dax

      The foreign girls I work with refer to attractive Chinese guys as “unicorns.”

      • Zappa Frank

        on the opposite I knew three Italian girls that married Chinese guys, and another one friend of friend.. the forest was full of unicorns I guess.

    • 나비

      Seriously doubt it. I have never ever in nearly 30 years ever heard a white person say they want to look asian or are jealous/envious of asians. Not one white girl I know wants to be an asian girl in anyway. Most people love their race and frankly, on a personal level, the average white face is more attractive then the average asian.

    • Julius Evola

      It’s about time east Asian guys to have that position.

      It’s scary how many East Asian men you run into who have this autistic attitude.

      They also tend to have extreme white fever, yet bash any white guy who dates an asian girl as a “fetishist”.

      • Kai

        That’s more like “male” behavior. What race doesn’t have a large number of men who think they’re allowed to conquer all but other men can’t take “their” women?

        The whole notion of people feeling it’s “their time” is hardly autistic. It’s the life motto of all who see themselves as underdogs, as the non-dominant class. It’s the motto of the betas. It’s basically saying “life’s not fair and it should be.”

        It isn’t just East-Asians who resent white culture dominance. Neither is it necessarily white people’s fault that white culture is currently dominant and they’ve been socialized to enjoy and exploit the benefits that come with that. History just played out that way, and the future of history may play out the way Stefan hopes. Who knows, right? Never say never, right? At one point in time, the Chinese looked down on white culture. Look what happened.

        • Julius Evola

          I have not met a single white guy, even in the nationalist circles in which I run, who gives two fucks about Asian Men dating White Women. Not one. It’s just not a concern to us, you can pretend it’s equivalent but it isn’t.

          And the Chinese are hardly underdogs in the SCS, they were hardly underdogs when conducting punitive campaigns against Indochina in the Ming and Qing dynasties that left millions dead.

          I don’t know what you mean by “white culture” exactly. Western culture these days postures at universalism, which I don’t happen to agree with.

          • Kai

            I’m sorry you’re ignorant and insist on being so.

            You’ve made repeated inflammatory comments about Koreans, have used multiple names and fake email addresses including racial slurs like “gook” and words like “superior european race”. You’re begging us to classify you as trolling and ban you for it.

            So are you genuinely racist or are you just trying to make white people look bad here?

        • whuddyasack

          Just read the comments on CSmack or the shanghaiist. This behavior is very prevalent amongst the white population here. In fact, this “conquest” mentality is what dictates the troglodytes on this board and I’m glad I’m not bound by such primitive urges as to “celebrate every time an Asian dates a non-Asian female”. I think it’s such a shame if Asian males think that a non-Asian woman is more attractive than an Asian woman because it reeks of inferiority complex. Why can’t both be attractive? Remember the article about the soldier returning home to his wife and the ensuing criticism? Self-reflection really is lacking here.

          I remember the article about a Chinese peasant marrying a Russian dancer and the outrage that ensued. Also the article where more Chinese men were marrying foreign women while Chinese women weren’t marrying foreign men as much. That article was full of bitterness from white males, and expressions of “wishing the couple luck” and “not thinking the marriage would last”. Statistics indicate that Asian couples last the longest, followed by Asians (both male and female) married to white spouses of both genders. White couples came third.

          There’s a certain white individual who “can’t get laid” who is by far the biggest commenter on this BTW. No surprise as “Incels” are the biggest sexist and racist. Just think of Elliot Rodger and George Sodini.

          But I guess bashing Asians is not counted as race baiting here by the crowd of you-know-who. Constantly bringing up the “unattractiveness of Chinese/Asian men” isn’t offensive lol. Notice Alex Duong’s comment was attacked by POS (piece of incel shit) even though it was perfectly reasonable and logical? When Asians scoff at the idea that there’s no realism in the notion that Asian females prefer Asian males, losers immediately chime in that they are delusional, bitter, etc. And if they don’t say anything or believe the BS spewed on the internet, then they are bitter, reactive and should realize that it’s only a minority of Asian females who are into white/foreign men. Damned if we do, damned if we don’t.

          In all this, I don’t ever blame Asian females as it’s just insecure white men and some white females who perpetuate this myth either way, echoed by a very LOUD minority of Asians. I’m accused of having a low opinion on Chinese women, something I find ridiculous and extremely offensive as it’s the opposite of my views. To me, they are precious and mean more than the world.

          It was Frank who said racism is a one-way street and I agree. One way street for Chinese, where you can spit the most disgusting bile at them and they in turn get called racist for objecting to this. I’m telling you, waking up Chinese is “wacist”, pal.

          • Zappa Frank

            Now we even have or little “manifesto” . You are wasted here, you should go for politic..

    • wnsk

      Are the dream guys always white guys? Really?

      Where are you from? Sweden, right? You’re an Asian guy in a white-dominated society. Have you ever considered whether your perception of reality could be skewed?

  • Science Patrol

    I admire the Korean people but this is taking it too far for me personally. Good luck with your new look sir.

    • prin12

      the guy who got surgery was brazilian not korean.

    • Julius Evola

      What do you admire about Koreans? I don’t find anything admirable about passive aggression derived from 2 millenia long inferiority complexes personally, but that’s just me.

      • Tyrion Lannister

        You accuse others of insinutating negativty but you yourself is clearly insecure and have an inferiority complex.

        • Julius Evola

          Inferiority complex against Koreans? But of course! Koreans invented the microchip, the internet, the automobile and even the Turtle Ship!

  • Science Patrol

    Zoolander?

  • Sillian

    That doesn’t make sense. I only found an article that says according to some survey, 70% of Koreans are okay with their partners getting plastic surgery.

  • Calculator

    I’m not surprised by some of the comments that are rude towards Koreans. I know a lot of Korean and Chinese people and i’ve seen such sentiment in real life as well. Koreans are much better looking. This is not a jab at the Chinese. Its just personal observation. I guess you can blame this on plastic surgery but I doubt its the only factor.

    Koreans tend to be taller, better bone and facial structure, oval shaped heads, better skin(women tend to have porcelain skin), etc.

    Chinese tend to be shorter, darker, wider nose, flatter features. Chinese women are “ok” looking but your typical guy is really dorky and scrawny looking.

    Koreans tend to have more of the traits that are stereotyped by the media as being attractive. This fuels insecurity and resentment towards Koreans due to han chauvinism(the mentality that Chinese is number 1 in everything). Contrary to popular opinion, not all asians look the same. Its not that difficult to tell Koreans/Chinese/Japanese/Vietnamese apart.

    • Chinese

      Plastic surgery may not be the only factor, plastic surgery and make-up more likely would be.

    • Sillian

      You are being rude just as much as those who you accuse of being rude. Northern Chinese, Koreans and Japanese basically don’t look that different. There may be certain types that are more frequently found in each population but most of their population can pass for each other. They may look different due to fashion, hair, make-up, and maybe some mannerism.

    • Zappa Frank

      Not that difficult? I’ve noticed more than one time even Asians confused about who is or look japanese, Korean Chinese or Vietnamese..

      • bang2tang

        jomon vs yayoi www

        • Zappa Frank

          Jomon and yayoi weren’t japanese? How does this involve china Korea and Vietnam? Anyway true that some japanese do show different traits maybe due to a jomon ancestor, but most don’t , or at least I do not see..

    • KamikaziPilot

      I’d bet you’re some ugly Korean midget with an inferiority complex, therefore the hate. Oh and Asians (Japanese/Koreans/Chinese) look very similar for the most part. Here’s a test to see if you can tell the difference. You have to register but just make up some information and get your results at the end. I got 7 out of 18 correct which is the average but also “very bad, obviously you can’t tell the difference” according to the website.

      http://alllooksame.com/

      • prin12

        why so angry? you dont look too bad yourself.

        • KamikaziPilot

          I’m allergic to stupidity, so I’m almost always angry. Thanks for the compliment though :)

      • wrle

        You dont honestly think that koreans chinese and japanese all look the same do you? As for me I can almost immediately differentiate them apart just by the way they dress. Every country has attractive looking people but koreans are stereotyped for being attractive in particular and stereotypes always have some truth to an extent. I mean regardless of the high plastic surgery rate, 16 procedures per 1000 population a year (including tourists) is a tiny percentage of the whole population.

        • noodles76

          Looking similar and dressing a certain way are the same on what planet? Put the Japanese/Koreans/Chinese in the same clothes…then what?

        • Alex Dương

          Telling nationalities apart by looks is unreliable. That’s why shibboleths are so often used in wartime; you may look the part, but what you say (or do) will give you away.

          • mr.wiener

            What the hell is a shibboleth? It sounds like something from a H.P Lovecraft book….

            “…In his house at R’lyeh dead Cthulhu waits dreaming..The shibboleth comes to tuck him in”

          • ex-expat
          • mr.wiener

            Thanks for that…Too bad if you were a Gileadite with a lisp eh?

          • ex-expat

            Haha what’s a Gileadite? (kidding)

          • Alex Dương

            As a (fictional) example, did you ever see Inglourious Basterds? If so, do you remember the scene where Michael Fassbender’s character orders three drinks? He does the hand sign in the “British” way (index, middle, ring) instead of the “German” way (thumb, index, middle). That’s a (custom) shibboleth.

          • mr.wiener

            Gottit, thanks.

          • mr.wiener

            Gottit, thanks.Always good to learn something new.

          • Rick in China

            It’s like you see some scurrying thru the trees, you yell “WHO GOES THERE” – and expect a specific reply with a specific accent, anything else = BAM :P

        • KamikaziPilot

          Did you even take the test? What did you score? Of course I think they all look very similar. Similar enough where it’s probably hard for anyone to tell them apart with great accuracy. Yeah, I’ve heard people like you saying you can tell them apart easily but I’ve yet to see anyone do it. Well you can tell some by their dress but I’m saying by physical features it’s very difficult. In large groups they may be easier to tell apart too by generally very difficult. The only physical feature that I recall differentiates them is all the very hairy Asians I’ve met were Japanese or Okinawan. I won’t argue about who’s more attractive except to say I disagree with you. Like I said, most East Asians look very similar, so their degree of attractiveness is also similar.

        • Kai

          I used to think Hong Kongers were handsome and beautiful because of their media stars…

          but then I visited Hong Kong.

          ;)

          I’m gonna side with everyone against you that looks aren’t really a wise or reliable way to identify a person’s nationality especially between the three major East Asian countries.

          I’ve also found that there are a lot of much more mundane looking Koreans in Korean media if you’d just stop looking at the main characters (and even sometimes their main characters are pretty mundane looking if you go beyond the stereotypical fantasy k-dramas and look at Korea’s more serious shows and movies). K-dramas and K-pop have created a really disproprotionate impression of what Korean people look like on average in Korea. Go there or pay more attention and you’ll realize most Koreans have probably the same proportion of good vs. bad looks as Chinese or Japanese do. We exaggerate too many things, including Japanese girls having crooked teeth and being bow-legged.

      • Guest

        I agree with you but that test is BS. Most of those people are asian americans

        • KamikaziPilot

          Actually I think you’re full of BS. First off unless you made that test you have no idea where those people reside. Secondly, so what if they are Asian Americans? It’s not like their physical features change if they are in America. Unless of course your one of those that claims to be able to tell the difference between Asians from Asian and Asian Americans based purely on their physical features, which I don’t think you can.

      • whuddyasack

        He’s probably an ugly white guy with an inferiority complex, as his first paragraph and last line is a dead giveaway… SWAMs as I like to call them rule the roost here and his comment is merely flame bait. Of course, comments like this and other overwhelmingly offensive, confrontational ones are never going to receive scrutiny, condemnation or opposition from the mob here because it satisfies rule one, bash Chinese. If the person race baiting were white, there’d be zero complaints and almost everyone would be supporting said comment.

        Notice how POS promptly replied to your comment and many others responding to this original comment? Highly suspicious.

        • Zappa Frank

          And ok 5/5 racists comments by whuddyasacks, all uncalled.. Good job for today mr whuddy

          • whuddyasack

            How was that racist? The fact that I think calculator might actually be “white” and not Korean? And the fact that there was not a single objection from white posters because “bashing Chinese duh?”

            Let me be Frank, my Frank. There is a certain poster running around with various pseudonyms, from insecurity complexity to infusion. He originally posted as POS. ALL his posts are attacks on mainly Asians but he loves crying “wacist”. This poster has on other sites pretended to be a “Canadian born Chinese girl”, “Japanese” and a lady’s man (yeah right). Yet he receives 0 flak for his garbage from the people that accuse me of “wacism”. He has personally attacked Asian posters who’ve challenged “calculator’s” post so of course I’m suspicious.

        • KamikaziPilot

          Whuddy, I have to give you a bit of constructive criticism here. I do notice that many of your posts like to pit Asians against whites no matter the topic of the story. And when you repeatedly mention things like SWAMs ruling the roost and that whites never receiving complaints, etc., well it seems overly critical. Not sure if you realize how other posters see you as I believe you are quite young too (University student right?). As for me, I usually only defend Asians if I see other posters here unfairly slandering them, which does happen quite often. I can probably count on one hand the number of regular posters here that have never unfairly criticized/slandered Chinese people. Other than that, it may be best to not bring up the race card so often. Of course I think you, and your friend, Zappa, are genuinely good people but I just see the both of you always arguing about the same things, sometimes it seems counterproductive.

          Regarding POS, I’m not sure that it’s him, I’ll just reply to the comment and not worry about who the poster is. Oh and you are right POS is a SWAM, haha. I bet he’s reading this right now.

          • whuddyasack

            Sorry for the very late reply. Was very busy. Very, very busy. Constructive criticism taken. I’m honestly quite tired of it myself and have nothing against Frank. In fact, I’ve mentioned it many times, I’m quite fond of the guy so would hate to end up insulting him. You are right, I am a university student and will admit, albeit reluctantly that I still have much to learn. A year ago, I wouldn’t even admit to this and looking at my old posts, I think I’ve changed a lot.

            Oh and you are right POS
            is a SWAM, haha. I bet he’s reading this right now.

            Thanks for the chuckle. That is both funny and true at the same time. SWAMs don’t deserve any attention ;-P

          • KamikaziPilot

            I know I’m a much different person than I was when I was your age so I kind of know that at that age you sometimes look at things differently than say 10 or 20 years later. Just keep an open mind and try to understand how others think. Even if you don’t always agree, it helps to know where others are coming from and why they feel the way they do. I’m not too worried about you though, I’m pretty sure you’ll end up successful in life in whatever you do.

          • whuddyasack

            Thank you KP. This is true, 5 or 6 years ago I was one of those possibly arrogant little punks who made it his duty to pick fights with Japanese posters. When I look back, it really is quite embarrassing especially having personally met many native Japanese people online and offline since then. It’s like you said, I could now see where the other side was coming from.

            Thanks for the compliments. I always wanted to be a doctor and follow my father’s footsteps, so that is one thing that I never really succeeded in ;-) I have since learnt that in life, we gain some and lose some. Overall, I know I have nothing to complain about. A loving family, good friends, peaceful environment, a girlfriend (finally XD) and everything I ever needed. I’ve really appreciated all the advice you’ve given me all this while and have taken it to heart. All the best in your endeavors too, KP. Remember, we’re all struggling in this journey called life together.

      • whuddyasack

        As for your comment about looking similar, I used to be that snotty kid that believed he could tell the difference between a Japanese/Chinese/Korean/Vietnamese just by looking at their physical appearances. Before coming onto CS, I spent a lot of my younger, more reactive years arguing with Japanese posters over nationalistic drivel (something which I’m glad I stopped as I’ve become more mature and open-minded).

        One thing I noticed Japanese almost never claim was the ability to tell the difference between a Chinese from themselves via appearance (although some would bring up the Jomon identity) when I insisted that there was a difference. Perhaps it was out of convenience, hey this criminal is a Korean/Chinese pretending to be Japanese, but I think they really couldn’t tell. Later on, I was forced to eat humble pie when I realized I couldn’t tell either and made blatant mistakes on the spot.

        That’s why I never feel offended if a white foreigner mixes up the Asians since to be honest, I can’t tell the difference between a Norwegian and a Finn, although I can sort of see the difference between a Greek and an Irish although there are overlaps.

        I think with Asians, it is quite similar. Differences might exist, but they are so minimal and overlaps are far more common. Admittedly, I do feel that Chinese and Japanese have the most overlaps in appearance but that’s only because both nationalities have a relatively divided population of North/South Mongoloid types, they both have the paler ones with epicanthic folds, but they also have the more tanned ones with larger eyes (West Japanese and South Chinese). Of course, there are Jomon phenotypes that are uniquely Japanese and with the Chinese there are unique tribesman that look nothing but Chinese but in the grand scheme of things there are more similarities than differences between us and other Asians.

    • 나비

      They aren’t better looking. Without plastic surgeries, most Koreans are average and below. They have HUGE faces. Huge rabbit cheeks and square jaws and small eyes and flat noses and very dark skin when it isn’t bleached. The attractive Koreans have all had pladtic surgeries that were expensive plus years of skin bleaching. The average non plastic surgery korean is not that attractive.

      • Kai

        Jesus, you people…

        Koreans are hawt. So are Chinese. And Japanese. I’ll take them all. YOLO.

    • bang2tang

      bwahaha sorry but …

  • wrle

    Lol what nonsense. I can make up figures too but at least try to say something that’s remotely believable. Most koreans I know have never done any surgery.

    • Confucius

      You’re right, I apologise. Before making a statement that other people may find offensive I should have checked my memory instead of mouthing off. I do remember thinking that was an amazingly high percentage and explained it away (in my head) that it includes everything from double eyelid surgery (which is a very simple office procedure) to Botox injections all the way to shaving jaw lines and the cheekbones, and probably includes all the dental work too, so 70% is possible. I can’t find that article now but I note that a recent article suggests only 20% (although a past BBC article suggested 50%, with 70% of men surveyed being interested in getting cosmetic surgery). I also found several blogs, forums, minor news outlets and a Facebook page that referred to the 70% number, but they could be just as guilty of not checking their sources rather than having a angle original source. Again, I’m sorry if I offended you, I don’t think it is a problem having one of the top plastics industries in the world and being able to capitalise on it.

      • Sillian

        It depends on conditional clauses and what is considered plastic surgery in different surveys. There’s too much inaccurate or inaccurately cited info about this.

  • wrle

    Fake booties. Brazil also has one of the highest ps rates in the world.

  • vonskippy

    Maybe he had a really small penis for a Brazilian, and he had all the facial plastic surgery to match expectations.

    • wrle

      Its still bigger than yours.

    • Alex Dương

      Please enlighten us about your sexual escapades with Asian men.

    • FYIADragoon

      Yes, because all Westerners are walking around with dicks the size of a baseball bat. I’m guessing you’ve never been in a locker room before.

  • Anna Presman

    He doesn’t look Asian now, he looks like an alien. I don’t get it, he really was a handsome guy before the surgeries. That last picture… I think anyone who is Russian will be reminded of a certain “celebrity” we have. That’s what he managed to look like.

    • 나비

      Honestly I’ve seen plenty of asians who had an alien looking face. Some asians look like aliens with underdeveloped features. In fact there’s a whole discussion on the internet about how asians look like aliens.

      • Insomnicide

        We come in peace.

      • Zappa Frank

        There are discussions also about the reptilians secretly rule the world…

      • bang2tang

        Park Myeong Soo or Kim Soo Hyun?

    • Zappa Frank

      to any non-Russian he simply remind the village idiot

  • KamikaziPilot

    If I see him in a dark alley I’m running the other way. Just looks creepy. Reminds me of the Filipino guy who kept getting surgeries to turn into Superman.

  • Foreign Devil

    He could have pulled way more Korean girls with his blond hair and blue eyes and Brazilian features. . now he looks like some weird asian micheal jackson. But then again. I doubt he is interested in girls.

    • bang2tang

      haha lol

  • Insomnicide

    Like one netizen said, Cloud Atlas.

    • Zappa Frank

      and still it seems he is about to say “mr. Anderson…”

      • Mateusz82

        For the rest of his life, it’ll seem like he’s about to say, “Mister Anderson.”

      • Surfeit

        “Do you hear that…”***

        • Zappa Frank

          Mr. Anderson…you disappoint me

        • Zappa Frank

          Tell me, Mr. Anderson, what good is a phone call when you are unable to speak?

      • Surfeit

        I HATE this place…

    • bang2tang

      He looks real creepy as nurse, lol

      • Dick Leigh

        I actually thought the nurse was a genuine (albeit hideous) woman! That man certainly can act!

  • NeverMind

    It’s strange that most of the Chinese people think that anyone with blond hair and blue eyes is automatically ‘handsome/beautiful’. They made similar comments about that weirdo virgin guy who shot himself recently.

    Used to chat with a Chinese lady regularly on QQ a few years ago who once told me how the whites are more beautiful than us, implying both her(Chinese) and me(South Asian with dark skin). I immediately deleted her from my list after that conversation.

    • Alex Dương

      “Weirdo virgin guy” Elliot Rodger had dark, brown hair and brown eyes, not blonde hair and blue eyes. Also, IMO, he was not bad looking at all. Looks were not his problem; his problem was that he was unable to talk to people in person.

      • NeverMind

        What I meant to say was their general attitudes toward people with caucasian features. Is it a wonder that whenever they see a white person in China they want their photo clicked with them. It sums up their inferiority complex. By the way I don’t mean all Chinese people but most of them.

        • Zappa Frank

          In shanghai no one want to take a picture with you. But even when they do (usually people from towns with almost no foreigners) it doesn’t mean is because they think you are superior, they are just curious because you may be one of the few foreigner they have seen in their lives.

          • KamikaziPilot

            Do they also take pictures with black people or Indians? They’re probably just as rare if not more rare than whites right? Do they want to talk to them too?

          • Zappa Frank

            yes, I knew a black girl that was almost an attraction for Chinese, if she makes 5yuan/picture she could get a job… they all wanted touch her hairs.. However I see your point. True enough that the success model passed is the one of the white.. but I don’t think there is a relation with pictures.

          • KamikaziPilot

            Yeah, I agree just taking pictures itself is probably just curiosity, however, as you said, many automatically think whites are somehow better just based on being white. I just wish one day people would ask to take a picture with me if I’m the only Asian around, then I’d feel special, haha.

          • noodles76

            Special….is not the feeling that comes to mind when strangers want to take a photo with me when I’m minding my own business and doing my thing.

          • KamikaziPilot

            To each their own I guess, I’d think sometimes it would be okay, but I can see how it can get bothersome. But just remember those asking are just curious and doing it out of admiration (possibly). I’d think it would be pretty cool, much better then living a mundane boring life, but that’s just my opinion.

          • 나비

            Except asians make up almost like the entire world population. And whites are like 6%. Asians are very common. The most common. Just not in the USA. I guess that’s why some people consider them” exotic” in the USA, but really, in the rest of the world, they aren’t.. Literally, 1 in 5 babies are born chinese. Asian men and women are so many, whites only make a tiny percent of the world population, that’s why (outside of pre Dom white countries) they get their pictures taken.

          • ex-expat

            lol, 6%?

          • Zappa Frank

            yes we are pandas… i doubt.
            But first we should decide who is “white”

          • ex-expat

            It is true that “white” can be defined in many ways, but even if counting just those of European descent:

            at least 200 million in the US
            600 million? Europe
            20 million? Canada
            15 million? Australia

            That’s over 12% already, and not even considering countries like Argentina, etc.

          • Zappa Frank

            in fact i meant i doubt we are only 6%..

          • ex-expat

            Yeah, I understood. I just meant that by even the most conservative estimates, the original comment that I replied to is way off.

          • whuddyasack

            No, European descent make up around 15%-20%, add in Caucasians from the Middle East, North Africa and India and you get close to 60%. Caucasians are the dominant race in the world, which is why MOST people will look like them. Outside of China, Mongoloid people are something of an oddity, and I remember research in America suggesting that to most Americans, Asians are the most alien, the most foreign race. White Americans have more in common with Black and Latino Americans and in the media, this is all but telling.

          • whuddyasack

            I do agree that there are some Chinese who inherently think white = better, and they are easily bought by the fact that something comes from the west thus equates to better. Thankfully, not all are like that and this frog in the well attitude is improving. This mentality is quite common among developing countries, and I’m sorry you have to put up with it. I’ve noticed Korea and Japan don’t nearly have this complex but as a nation becomes more confident with themselves, you’d see less idealizing on what’s foreign.

            It’s very sad when I hear reports of some Chinese getting plastic surgery to get bigger noses when in the west, small noses are more attractive. I personally prefer a small nose haha.

            In a way, smile that your days of being like the Chinese are over. On a good day, just say that you’re Japanese and the world would prance and jump at the opportunity to know you because of who you are ;-)

            Heard of the word weaboo? Be proud, be contented, your culture is truly great and in my eyes, Japanese both native and overseas are an admirable people who I generally get along with better than anyone else. It’s true that most Chinese probably won’t take photos because they barely can tell the difference, but it’s also true that many are enslaved by the Japanese culture more so than any other culture. But I guess political disputes might negate all that, but trust me, I wished you could hang out with my crowd. You’d realize that the nationalistic voices are a minority and “war” is the last thing moderate Chinese want (which is the majority of them).

            If I relied on nothing but the internet and hearsay, which is populated mainly by single, white and angry males anyway, I would’ve never seen how real Japanese really are like.

            In Canada and Australia, Japanese tourists would always approach me to seek directions and ignore all the white people in the vicinity because I guess I was the “only Asian there”. I think you’ve encountered similar things, and yes, I feel special ;-P

          • Zappa Frank

            Since you dislike whites so much you may even fly back to Asia and stop to be the only angry asian available that like bitching how bad whites are…is not that difficult

          • whuddyasack

            Uhm… where in my post did I express dislike for whites huh? And how come you misinterpret this as racism? You’re being oversensitive dude. Just to inform you, I don’t hate whites as I have many “white friends”. What I dislike are barbarians, rapists, etc. that come in any “color”. It’s just that white pedophiles/criminals/rapists are defended here because of the primal mindset of Caucasians.

            Here’s the difference between me and most whites I “dislike”. One, nonstop bitching and moaning how crappy Chinese/China is. If it’s that bad, then just go back flyjin. Two, for those who are already out of China but still feel the need to whine, just leave the past behind. Three, for the losers who’ve never even been to Asia but still feel the urge to bash and get anger pangs from reading about Asia, stop!

            You’ll find that I satisfy all three rules, I don’t spite the country I live in and its people 24/7, my best friends are Western Asians. Two, I don’t frequent white/European nationalists sites just to pick fights/despise the chimps and three, I don’t get a rise in posting on sites about US, Canada or Australia just to bash its people.

          • Zappa Frank

            first, as said “Caucasian” is just American slang, nothing scientific. Second, never defended any rapist/criminal/pedophiles here, show some evidences or this is also extremely offensive to say that whites people here defend such kind of persons.
            You just post here to bash white people, you do not bash racists here, you daily bash all white people..

          • KamikaziPilot

            Never heard of the term “weaboo” but I just searched it and now I know what it means. I know the truly nationalistic voices are a small minority in China and probably everywhere as the vast majority of the population just wants to live their lives and be happy. Individually, I think people from the different Asian countries get along just fine, I’ve seen this in university and the business world. It’s just that when they form groups and develop this “us vs. them” mentality then conflict can arise. I just think every culture has their good and bad, it’s hard to say if one is superior overall, just every culture and individual has their strengths and weaknesses.

          • whuddyasack

            Well now you know ;-)
            There are many “weaboos” and “fake Japanese” in English speaking boards and especially Japan Crush. You can tell because of their “interests” and posts. But back on topic, yes it’s good that you realize nationalistic voices are a minority everywhere in the world.

            I’ve just seen it again this week, thrice. The first incident involved some Japanese students helping an older Chinese student use a computer. The second was a Japanese boy being taught how to speak Mandarin at the library. The third was while I was queuing up at a fast food joint, and I saw two girls exchanging phone numbers in front of me. I could tell from their ascents where they were from ;-P
            I don’t know but there was something sweet and innocent about two young girls without a care in the world or for politics just being friendly, giggling away and befriending each other.

            You are right, every culture and individual has strengths and weaknesses. It’s part of who we are, and why we’re here.

  • Teresa Nguyen

    Non-asian trying to look Asian or be Asian is creepy as hell! No matter how many surgeries you undergo the non-asian in you will shine through. You can’t become something you’re not!
    Every race has its beautiness and ugliness. Its alright to love a culture, a country… But this is too much and too creepy. Sorry but you kinda look like a plastic doll now.

    • 나비

      Yeah that’s how I feel about all those asians getting plastic shoved up their nose and their jaws sawed off for more of the” white angular” face. Their non white shows through too.

  • FYIADragoon

    Fucking waste. If he reallllllllly wanted to be more attractive, all he had to do was use the plastic surgery to increase facial symmetry and bring it to a bit more of an oval shape. He already had such nice distinctive features. What a pity.

  • biggj

    He went from a normal looking human to a crossed eyed plastic asian retard…..What boggles my mind is the guy paid for it.

    • mr.wiener

      J!!…Long time no see man!

    • Mighty曹

      Hey Bigg!! Where the eff ya been?

  • 白色纯棉小裤裤

    “The China Daily reported that 62% of 31,000 Chinese people who went in South Korea on 15-day medical tourism visas in 2012 had cosmetic surgery.”
    31000*0.62=19220

    1.5% of Chinese who did plastic surgery went to Korea, And Chinese medical tourists accounts for 2.5% of Korea’s total plastic surgeries.
    Since you say medical tourists are mostly Chinese and Japanese, we can estimate that Koreans themselves account for 95% of the total number of plastic surgeries done in their own country.
    The difference in plastic surgery rate between China and Korea is so huge(16X difference), even if you add 1.5% to China’s number and subtract 5% from Korea’s number, the result won’t be any different.

  • 나비

    So on one hand, asians are getting plastic surgery to look more white and less asian and then this dude, the first white person who wanted to look asian. Why can’t people be happy with their own racial identity? White is beautiful, certainly more beautiful then what he is now. Now if plastic surgeons can make black person asian, I’d be very impressed.

    • Zappa Frank

      Michael Jackson with those eyes?

    • Pako-chan

      the grass is always greener on the other side. sometime a person is blinded by envy that they lose sight of what’s before them.

  • KamikaziPilot

    The thing is, if say for example India took the place of the West as the most powerful and rich society there would be Indians in advertisements everywhere. It’s not really skin color in itself, it’s Western cultural hegemony making it’s way to China. And the sad thing is, many Chinese don’t even realize this is happening or care about it. They are content to put Westerns on a pedestal for no other reason than being Westerners. Of course not all are like this but a lot are. Pretty sad if you ask me.

    • Rick in China

      I don’t think that’s true.

      There comes a point where a society stops yearning _as much_ about what other societies have or don’t have, and as such, wouldn’t be as susceptible to that kind of “You too one day may be Xxxxxx if you buy our shitty hats”. I don’t know how you can group “the west” into one society – as far as I know, I can list at least 3 (THREE!) countries which can fit into the “west”, there may be many more, each with their own ‘societies’, not all of which are whities.

      • KamikaziPilot

        Which part exactly don’t you think is true? Western cultural hegemony becoming a part of Chinese society or a significant portion of Chinese putting Westerners on a pedestal? You really don’t think that’s true? Agree that a society stops yearning at some point, I just don’t think China’s there yet. I get that when I said “the West” it was a very broad generalization but when Chinese think of “the West” they don’t think of people who look like me, it’s almost always people of European descent and occasionally blacks. This despite Western countries being made up of people from all over the world. I still can’t get some Chinese to believe I’m an American citizen. BTW which 3 countries are you talking about? I don’t get where you’re coming from?

    • Zappa Frank

      if is china I think we should consider that from this point was very weak coming from decades of communism and with most values shattered. When china opened up again looked at west as developing model and took in many of western values…and in china sometimes beauty and success seem to be strictly related, so much that sometimes they seem ‘ultras’, they do like some whites features more than what whites people like.. for instance big noses are not attractive in west, white skin is not attractive either (in Italy if you are too white people mock you), and so on..

  • Rick in China

    WTF are you talking about.

    Fucking up his life has nothing to do with how many millions of people he may look fucked up to. You probably look fucked up to more than 200 million people.

    This dude got surgery to make himself happy. Fuck it, let him, why do you care? From what I can see in the story/photos he clearly is interested in dudes anyways, unless you think the Brazilian guys have ‘the most beautiful booties ever’ also.

  • Julius Evola

    I feel nothing but pity for this man, he is the atomized man. He’s a man with no organic group identity of his own, so he clings to that of others’.

    It’s a shame the chauvinistic, lie culture of Korea fooled him. Most Koreans are emphatically not attractive people in any sense of the word. Most of them would kill for Europid features.

    This is a good specimen of Corean varnish-work carried into history.
    The rough facts are smoothed over by that well-applied native lacquer,
    which is said to resemble gold to the eyes.
    The official gloss has been smeared over more modern events with equal success, and even defeat is turned into golden victory.

    Alleyne Ireland

    • Alex Dương

      Most Koreans are emphatically not attractive people in any sense of the word.

      Says you.

      • Julius Evola

        Most Asians, indeed, most humans agree.

        • Alex Dương

          Says you.

        • bang2tang

          yeah, take a look at white models on various ads.

  • death_by_ivory

    What the heck they put in his cheeks?Cement?Scary.
    Next article can we get some hot guys picture because this will give me nightmares for days?

    • noodles76

      What the heck they put in his cheeks?

      Cock.

    • bang2tang

      I think he loss his fat and make his cheekbone appear more pronounce.

  • Surfeit

    You can’t teach it!

  • WFH

    now all he needs to be completely korean is to attend a class on how to beat women..

    jking!!

  • Mighty曹

    I thought people do this shit to IMPROVE their appearance!!

  • Connor

    “Thanks for letting me know how foreigners think a typical Korean guy looks!”

    Made my night.

  • Zappa Frank

    racists like to blame the racism of other people.. but he upped my post so i’m really confused…

  • Kai

    Normally people argue that per capita is more meaningful than total numbers given how the later is influenced by sheer size of population. China has a lot of total GDP but pretty lousy GDP per capita, right?

    So comparing per 1000 it isn’t “just silly” with any “China” statistic, and definitely not more so than comparing “total procedures” with “China”. Not sure why you’d say that. It makes no sense whatsoever. Why is total procedures inherently “much more interesting in this case” than per 1000 anyway? Because it shifts attention away from Korea onto China?

    South Korea has a huge plastic surgery industry. A lot of South Koreans have gotten or want to get plastic surgery. Chinese people are a major consumer demographic of South Korean plastic surgery services, and one that is arguably growing. The plastic surgery industry in China is also arguably growing. These are all facts that reconcile just fine with the graph above, a graph with data that the International Society of Aesthetic Plastic Surgery and the UN apparently didn’t think was “just silly” to make.

  • Kai

    Rick suggests that certain physical features come from European genes introduced sometime in history, and says double-eyelids “often implies” them being descendents of people who were raped by Europeans.

    Is he being racist against Asians or Europeans here? Maybe just a bit offensive at suggesting genes had to be introduced by rape?

    • KamikaziPilot

      He told me he was being facetious when he said that. Another thing is that it could very well be Asian genes that are more prevalent in Europe than Europeans genes in Asia. I mean there is some evidence to suggest Ghengis Khan is the most prolific breeder in history. I remember researchers saying that something like 0.5% of males worldwide carry a DNA marker of one man. I’m not sure of the exact percentage but I remember it was a very high number in terms of total individuals, especially around the areas Ghengis conquered. While they never found Ghengis’ body to do a DNA test, they hypothesize it’s Ghengis because they don’t know who else it could be as Ghengis was known to father many children during his conquests.

      • Kai

        Oh, I know Rick was being facetious. Confucious seemed to be angry at Rick for being “racist” and then suggesting we mods were somehow being derelict in our duty (he mistakenly thought we deleted his response to Rick because we’re biased). I was just trying to help Confucius understand what Rick was saying.

      • Zappa Frank

        also barbarians that came in Europe with the end of the roman empire were in many cases of ‘Mongolic’ kind.

  • Kai

    Uh, what respond to Rick? I’ve just checked our deleted folder back a week and don’t see any comments by you. Please don’t assume your comment was “censored” just because you can’t immediately find it.

    Try refreshing the page first. Try clicking the “load more comments” button at the bottom of the comments section until it can load no more. Try looking for your comment before assuming we’ve censored it.

    Was your response this comment? Because it certainly was never “censored”.

    THAT SAID, I did find a lot of legitimate comments automatically filtered out by our Spam filter (whose algorithms are not controlled by us but by Disqus), though none of them were yours. I’ve recovered them.

    • mr.wiener

      I’ll check the spam folder more often just in case.

  • mr.wiener

    I been very busy since Friday and didn’t get to check the pending mail.
    If you want your stuff to go straight though, get a disqus account.
    Sausage doesn’t make itself and bbq season is here.

  • noodles76

    Really? It’s that simple huh? Beauty = rarity? Cross-eyed women must be prized. Chicks with a unibrow too. A one eared, cross-eyed, chick with a unibrow must be the hottest thing on Earth.

  • Radioactive_Panda

    He reminds me of the real life Barbie and Ken nothing but Plastic

  • linette lee

    This is so sad.

  • I just let some Chinese wanna-be know, assumedly a European man who’s occupied with China all day long, ranting “China! China! China!” every day, that there’s a way for him becoming Chinese like this man.
    He, this European man looks like slandering China at a glance, but actually he’s obssessed with China very much, less with Japan even he “says” he likes Japan, while he’s more taking care of China.

    Just wonder, Max gets a new name as Xiahn Nishi, Nishi maybe 西? If so, which pronunciation is of Japanese. No idea why he adopted it, while he wanted to complete becoming a decent Korean man.

    • Jennster

      Lol exactly my thought. But they will always be Laowai no matter what.

      • Maybe, when he has a bigger nose.
        So far, he has just not reacted for my reference while I gave him a URL of this article, just keeps chanting “China! China!”.

  • don mario

    what a twat!

    he has embraced the korean culture though,plastic surgery loving freaks.

  • Aja Aja

    He looks like a freak in those pictures, but I’ve actually seen his Youtube video and he doesn’t look as bad as those pics in real life person. I think those pictures were taken right after post-surgery when all the swelling didn’t go down and heal. He looks half decent now. In his interview with a Korean press, he said he was still suffering from swellings but he was very happy. So I will chalk up those pics to post surgery effect. By the way, his procedure was done in Brazil, and it’s not permanent. Gradually, the fat injection to his eye lid will melt away in time, and he will regain his old self gradually. The guy is a Brazilian but he’s a German ethnic stock who studied in Busan University back in 2011. He fell in love with the country, the people, and the Korean pop culture. According to him, many Brazilian young people are into Kpop and admire the Korean look. He says he had fond memories of his time in Korea, met so many nice Koreans and liked their looks, so he wanted to look like them. He’s not that unusual in a sense that that he’s just another one of those Koreaboo’s who think anything that’s Korean is number one, I mean, I’ve met some girls who’s only ideal love relationship in their lives is to get or marry a Korean guy – not just any Asian guy, but it has to be a Korean guy (doesn’t matter if he’s ugly, as long as he’s Korean, that’s attractive). Not that I’m complaining, I’m Korean myself. I mean, who wouldn’t want girls to desire you? I think it’s much to do with style. Even if you’re ugly, if you dress nicely and fashionably, shower twice a day, brush your teeth three times a day, wear nice shoes, get stylish hair cuts, and act like a gentleman, treating girls as royalty, they will melt in front of you. And that’s exactly what I see around Korea, where guys tend to be obsessive about self-grooming.

    • Thank you for your reference, very meaningful, interesting to me.
      BTW, I’m Japanese native, born and raised in Japan, very ordinary boring type.
      As for Korean men, of course there are many handsome actors or singers, I just prefer 송강호, as his looking feels very familiar, warm, humane.

      In Japan, some female author who married to a Korean man, maybe you ever heard of, Shimako Iwai, she explained the event with the Korean man like this, “You can’t help getting married to a Korean man when you once got a serious relationship, so love affair with a Korean man is fatal” it was very impressive.

      BTW, I think there are many Japanese freak Western guys, and they are actually very much annoying as they are meddling, often tend to do something we don’t hope for.
      Like taking side with Japanese government, or defaming China or South Korea, or getting jealous when Japan gets close to China or Korea, they actually tend to bother, or calling some Japanese they don’t like to be “no Japanese”, yes, someone like me.
      But as you say, there also seem to be Korean freak Western people, so I think it may be helpful when they counter those annoying weeaboos, however, just my idea, please not take it any offend.

      • bang2tang

        Well, korean makjang drama like to sell prince charming FANTASY to women. Majority of women would be fall for those handsome+rich man not to add they also have supernatural power #manfromthestar. LMAO.

        • I’m actually not so fond of Korean dramas, but of movies, very artistic.
          Korean artistic movies are very much qualified.
          Especially a director Pong Jun-Ho is talented.
          Korean drama that I ever watched is just “My Lovely Samsoon” in Japanese “私の名前はキム・サムスン”, that was interesting, I haven’t even watched “Winter Sonata”, in Japanese “冬のソナタ” known by Fuyusona, of course I know Bae Yongjun, he’s very handsome, also said to be intelligent too, he takes care of Japanese fans very much calling them like “My family”. Then all the Japanese fans are mesmerized.
          I like Chinese actor too, Chow Yun-Fat most, lately saw him on a movie Shanghai, he was marvelous as always.
          Japanese actors, actually, not brilliant than Korean and Chinese actors, mostly boring.

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