Chinese Football Fans Pick Up Trash, Copying Japan’s Example?

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From NetEase:

Following the Example of Japan! Guangzhou Evergrande Football Fans Pick Up Garbage After Match

After the Guangzhou Evergrande FC and Jiangsu Guoxin Sainty FC match, Evergrande fans proactively cleaned up the stands and took away garbage, and are deserving of praise. During the Brazil World Cup, Japanese football fans picking up garbage had won the entire world’s approval.

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At the 2012 AFC Champions League Guangzhou Evergrande 5-1 away game against Jeonbuk Hyunda Motors, a female football fan picking up litter at the stadium.

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During the Brazil World Cup, Japanese football fans were praised for picking up litter garbage after the match.

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During the World Cup, the football players and football matches were main events. However, after the Japan vs. Cote d’Ivoire game, Japanese football fans carrying blue garbage bags picking up garbage in the rain instead became the topic of discussion.

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The website of America’s Turner Broadcasting itself published two photographs, featuring football fans wearing Japanese team jerseys carrying blue plastic garbage bags cleaning up the garbage at the stadium. This article’s title was “Japanese fans begin cleaning up garbage after match”.

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The article writes that although the Japanese team’s first match was a 1-2 loss, Japanese fans did not descend into disorder, but knowing that there were no waste bins around them, used their own plastic bags and begun picking up garbage. What more, their cleaning was very thorough. Photo is of Japanese football fans watching the match had nearly a bag per person, that were blown up and used for cheering.

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June 14, Recife, Japanese football fans picking up garbage at the arena after the match. Japanese football fans watching the match had nearly a bag per person, that were blown up and used for cheering. After the end of the match but before leaving the stadium, they used the blue bags and proactively picked up the garbage around them before leaving.

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Actually, this isn’t the first time Japanese football fans collectively picked up garbage after the end of a football match. Previously at a number of AFC Champions League vs. J. League matches, many Japanese football fans had spontaneously picked up litter after the match, tidied up the sports site. For Japanese people, “garbage culture” is already an indispensable part of their national/ethnic culture.

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2014 March 12, Japan Yokohama, 2014 AFC group match, Yokohama F. Marinos vs. Guangzhou Evergrande, fans in the stands had brought their own plastic bags.

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2014 June 19, Arena das Dunas, 2014 Brazil World Cup Group C, Japan vs. Greece. Japanese fans took away their garbage when exiting.

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Historians point out that Japanese people’s attitudes towards garbage is related to the “city besieged by garbage” phenomenon that appeared in the mid-’50s in the last century. At the time, when Japan underwent over 10 years of high-speed economic growth, it very quickly became the world’s second largest producer of garbage, second only to the United States. Because garbage was not sorted, the Japanese islands became known as “Dioxin Country”. Japanese who were deeply aware of their lack of natural resources had no choice but to launch a war against garbage.

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In fact, when Japan’s J. League had just become professional, the cheering of football fans was also very chaotic, with many people also using horns. However, because it was too noisy, the J. League banned football fans from bringing horns into the stands since the 1995 season. These behaviors that disrespect others and the opponent were no longer tolerated by a Japanese society that values etiquette.

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The picking up of garbage has seemingly become a kind of obsession for Japanese people, also reflecting a Japanese-style philosophy of “severing the unwanted, giving up excess, and breaking away from material enticements”.

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2014 June 19, Brazil’s Arena das Dunas, World Cup Group C, Japan 0-0 Greece. Japanese football fans use the plastic bags they brought to collect the garbage in the stands.

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It isn’t only at sports competitions like these, in many public situations, Japanese people have the habit of picking up litter. In Japanese society, trash sorting is done to unimaginable extreme. The major sorting is done by whether or not the garbage can be burned, can’t be burned, are resources, or bulk garbage. These categories are then subdivided into many subcategories, with each subcategory then further subdivided, and so on.

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For example, Monday is for trash that can be burned, Tuesday is for trash that can’t be burned, Wednesday is for old newspapers, etc. Furthermore, every area’s schedule is different, so if you move from one place to a new place, the local district will provide you with the local garbage recycling schedule which also includes detailed instructions on how to sort your garbage.

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Japanese people not only persevere in garbage sorting, they are even more strict about public sanitation. Garbage cans are almost nonexistent on Japan’s streets, even if it is bustling streets like in Ginza or Shinjuku. Apart from a few specialized garbage cans installed next to drink vending machines for drink bottles and cans, there are no waste bins provided.

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Most study abroad students all believe that the one thing one must learn in Japan is to pick up trash– Not accustomed to there being no rubbish bins on the side of the streets and also unwilling to litter and thus dirty a clean ground, they gradually picked up a habit: they’d put whatever trash they have in their own pocket or bag, and eventually just brought plastic bags with them whenever they went out, so that “one take care of their own garbage”.

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2012 July 6, 80 Japanese hackers picked up garbage in Tokyo’s parks and streets, protesting Japan passing a new copyright law punishing illegal downloads.

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When it comes to Japanese people’s habit of picking up garbage, it must be said that it is a habit cultivated from youth. In Japan, children must learn to pick up garbage starting from when they are small. Everyone often laments that Japan’s primary and middle school education is both strict and harsh, but in fact, as early as kindergarten, the first life skill every child learns is how to sort trash.

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Apart from fostering a habit of picking up garbage since they are young, Japanese authorities have established many laws and legislation about garbage to normalize public hygiene awareness among its citizens. The heaviest punished is primarily aimed against “illegal disposal of waste”. In addition to a prison sentence of as much as give years, one may be levied a fine of as much as 100 million Japanese yen (approximately 7.1 million yuan). Photo is of a Chinese environmental group visiting Japan’s Tokyo to study their environmental protection programs.

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Stipulated in the “Household Electric Appliance Recycling Law”, discarding a medium-sized household electric appliance (such as a television or clothes washing machine) requires paying a 3000 Japanese yen (approximately RMB 180 yuan) recycling fee. Refrigerators require 5000 Japanese yen (approximately RMB 300 yuan. What more, every household appliance that is sold requires recording the individual information of the purchaser, so if you want to “secretly” discard [the appliance], the consequences would be unimaginable.

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Excellence is a kind of habit. Rather than saying harsh decrees like “littering garbage may be fined up to 100 million” have compelled Japanese people to foster an awareness of environmental protection, it is better to say “picking up garbage” has already become this nationality’s generational custom and tradition.

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With regards to Japanese football fans act of “picking up garbage” at this past World Cup, the vast majority of Chinese netizens rationally clicked “praise/commend/like”: “Putting aside all historical and political issues, whether it is showing off or prejudice, Japanese people’s “garbage” culture is worth our countrymen revering.” Photo is of 2012 September 18, Beijing, as city residents demonstrated in front of the Japanese consulate in China, and an elderly person minded himself picking up litter dropped by the crowd.

Comments from NetEase:

VIVIAN1999 [网易天津市网友]:

Curse and laugh as you should, but after the game is over, please take with you your garbage, because this represents you personal character… as well as gives the people and children around you a beautiful future…

infodpac [网易广东省深圳市网友]: (responding to above)

At present, Evergrande is Asia’s best football club, so Evergrande fans have to work hard to be first-rate football fans in Asia.

资深易友撸大炮 [网易湖南省长沙市网友]:

Praise/commend! Now these are what I call sports fans! As opposed to hooligans!

fxm77149402 [网易广东省佛山市网友]:

If every person would take the initiative to take away the garbage they themselves brought/caused, then there would be scenes like this at the stadium.

146676433 [网易湖南省网友]:

China can be said to have gone astray, with only some Guangdong people having [good] character, who are the most rational, such as in buying cars!

网易广东省深圳市网友 ip:222.248.*.*

Praise/commend, but what do you mean following [Japan’s] example? Bullshit editor/author.

嚣张跋扈文 [网易湖南省岳阳市网友]:

This is not bad already, one step at a time! People’s characters is not something that can be lifted overnight!

simonjilong [网易河北省廊坊市网友]:

Putting on a show [showing off], but the moment they go outside, they’ll spit and litter everywhere!

cdbaxi [网易湖南省手机网友]:

Why call this “following Japan’s example”? China also has traditions of/about civilized behavior! The editor/author should be smacked! These are good role-models among football fans!

观海v听涛 [网易安徽省芜湖市手机网友]:

Even this is called copying Japan? This is simply being civilized/well-mannered, which is not something the Japanese invented! Praise/commend!

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  • FYIADragoon

    It really is a great habit. The Japanese and Singapore have a nice set of laws for maintaining the beauty of their cities.

    • firebert5

      More importantly, their citizens and even officials mostly care about actually keeping the laws.

    • Rick in China

      It’s really a deeper social issue of not causing trouble or being a bother for other people, and I think the laws reflect that rather than people do it simply because of the law. Another example of this is, in China, while driving, people seem so eager to butt in in front of everyone else – even if they’re a slow driver, they just *have* to get in front. Once in front, leisurely or on their phone slow down whomever they just butted in front of without the slightest care or even I am guessing knowledge that what they’re doing is utterly self-centred behaviour. I suppose the ‘common knowledge’ solution to merging lanes would be to have one from left, then one from right, then one from left, etc — but here, if 1 person gives way, everyone behind the guy allowed through will bumper-to-bumper trail trying to cut off whomever was ‘stupid enough’ to let him pass, essentially saying “fuck your kindness”. It’s a terrible habit that just spirals down..people get fucked, then fuck others, and the circle continues. People arrive in an arena full of trash, so they think fuck cleaning up, and leave all their trash there too.

      • DavidisDawei

        sort of like a twisted/inverted “pay it forward”?

        • Rick in China

          Exactly, push shit downhill, always! Burn the bridges on retreat…. kick the ladder…. etc.

        • James in China

          Dave R. is that you sir?

          • DavidisDawei

            Negative James

      • Insomnicide

        There was some study conducted by a university which I forgot the name of where they take a bunch of people from a variety of backgrounds and put them in two classrooms. One classroom is super clean and neatly arranged. The other classroom was run down and full of graffiti. The results of the studies showed that the people in the rundown classroom were more likely to vandalize and contribute to the destruction of the room while the people in the clean classroom were less likely to do so and were more likely to clean up after their own mess.

        It seems what environment we humans are placed in has a dramatic effect on our mentality and our behavior.

        • Rick in China

          That’s absolutely true. There are lots of studies to that effect – from education to criminal actions. It’s always easier to be negative in a negative environment.. maybe it’s why so many foreigners misbehave in China :P

          • whuddyasack

            Well… many foreigners were misbehaving in their own countries too before even setting foot into China? Like Neil Robinson? How do you explain that? I have a simple theory. Negative people will be negative not because of the country they are living in but because of their upbringing and lack of self-discipline.

          • Rick in China

            I think the point of the study Insomnicide mentioned is about propensity, not definitive actions. What that means is that the likelihood of uncouth behaviour is influenced by the environment any given person is in. It doesn’t mean everyone in that environment will behave poorly, it means that the likelihood is increased. Now – apply that to China’s current state, with the massive population and general acceptance of these kinds of behaviour, and the likelihood that the environment is influencing these kind of negative behaviours is also increased. The more people speak up, call out, and generally look down upon bad behaviours, the more likely it will change. I believe that China is moving in a positive direction in this regard, but it’s still bad here..and will take time to change.

          • whuddyasack

            A good point. But keep in mind China also has less violent crimes than most “civilized” countries, the country in this article excepted. I believe the reason for this is that perpetrators know they will only get a slap on the wrist. Introducing more draconian laws would significantly reduce such crime. What I’m trying to get at is that it’s not exactly fair to blame a country for misbehaving especially when perpetrators come from a foreign land. Upbringing, self-management and the legal environment are more important in such cases. I agree with your last two sentences.

          • Germandude

            LOL, the next one of your brainfarts. Didn’t you say 48 hours ago that you are stepping back on smearing your shit here?

            China has less violent crimes than most “civilized” countries.”

            Yeah, right. Because everybody knows that if a country is far developed, crime is higher than in poorer/less developed countries. That’s why Africa is the heaven. And since China is censoring heavily on any negative, surely, crimes happening in China are not staying under-reported. lol

            I believe the reason for this is that perpetrators know they will only get a slap on the wrist.

            Exactly. The US have the death penalty. England, though culturally, level of multiculture, stage of development and language are pretty even. The US has heavy penalties on crimes, including the death penalty. The UK doesn’t. Now let’s get your 2 braincells working and please, tell us, which of the 2 countries is safer to live in?

            Or compare to other central European countries, especially the nordic states which basically have no heavy penalty systems. Hm, let me think. Really unsafe there?

            Gosh, your trolling and subtle insulting, combined with your inferiority complex and plain bullshitting is really sad, it’s laughable. Unfortunately for you, you can’t hide your lack of knowledge since you must talk out of your ass 24/7.

            So, please go on. I need more laughter.

          • Kai

            I thought the goal was to DISCOURAGE him from posting his garbage, not challenge him to do more.

          • Germandude

            Well it’s still the goal. However, I can’t let blatant lies and the smearing of incorrect information leave uncommented. Since the mods here think that his blatant lies don’t need to be deleted, somebody has to step in and give contra.

            You know, silence is usually regarded as agreement by the majority. I should know, coming from the country where one of the biggest agitators came to power because the majority didn’t openly disagree.

          • IsurvivedChina

            Ball sack is Brain farting again I see…. he tries that stuff over on Shanghaiist only to be put in his place, we haven’t seen him as much as we used to… I see he is in full form tonight!

          • Kai

            No no, by all means, challenge the blatant lies and smearing of incorrect information. I’m all for that. What I was referring to was this:

            So, please go on. I need more laughter.

            I know you intended it as a dismissal than an actual challenge. My comment was meant as a light-hearted joke about the superficial contradiction between what you desire (him stopping) and you telling him to “please go on”.

          • Germandude

            Yeah, to understand irony is not the strength of those with limited horizons and low IQs. You got it. He doesn’t.

          • DavidisDawei

            Which one….Clinton, Bush, Obama or any of these other clowns?
            I know you’re referring to Adolf, but is anyone else out there concerned about the fools running our countries today?

          • Germandude

            Hey, you should not put Clinton on a list with Bush and Obama. That’s going too far.

          • DavidisDawei

            Why is adding Clinton going too far?

          • Germandude

            Cause he was the last good president the US had maybe?

          • whuddyasack

            That’s the thing. Inspite of living in an area with poor socio-economic conditions, the Chinese commit less violent crime than most developed countries. Chinese/Asian Americans, Canadians, etc. commit less crime than their white and black counterparts. There is of course a legal (and genetic) basis for this. Plenty of Chinese get killed and murdered in the West (like the recent USC case) due to naivete. They think they are as safe or safer in those countries than in China and thus aren’t “street smart”. Such attitudes are part and parcel of growing up in a relatively crime-free environment.

            America has more problems with violent crime because of lax gun laws and a violent subculture. Of course Central Europe is relatively safe but compare it with Asian countries of similar socioeconomic standings and we know what safe really is.

            is really sad

            No, what’s really sad and pathetic is how you narrate this story into one about the insecure Chinese “want praise too” when that wasn’t even the intention. To me it just speaks of your own insecurity what with the copycat and misrepresentation BS. Newsflash, the TS obviously posted the article to raise awareness and commend his compatriots for following a good example, i.e. Japan. The 2/3rd photos being Japanese was to explain that it takes work and time to foster such a culture. The Chinese could care less what a German thinks (haha, notice the Japanese have nothing to say on this matter). They neither want nor need your praise.

            You did wish me luck with my endeavors, but relationships are based on work and trust. So no thanks. I’m fine. Just worry about yourself.

          • Probotector

            No, there is no genetic basis for criminality.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            American Police are so racist that they are 4 times more likely to arrest a white criminal than an Asian criminal.

          • Germandude

            Inspite of living in an area with poor socio- economic conditions, the Chinese commit less violent crime than most developed countries.

            Again, you are too stupid to understand how the heavy censorship in China makes the stupid (guys like you) believe that brutal crimes in China are almost non-existent. If you had any clue about China, you would see that every governmental official, especially those on the poor undeveloped areas have major interest in hiding crimes, accidents and any bad publicity to push their CVs on “how good of a job I’ve done, my town is crime-free”.
            You are comparing that system with a system in the west, where FREE press (you see, FREE press is the major thing to pay attention) has more benefit on reporting on police and governmental shortcomings. In fact, under Hitler, Stalin, Mao and the current party leadership, the news were majorly reporting on the good things. You know, how everything is cool, safe and dandy. No such government reported on its shortcomings.
            Democracies do, because media are fighting for audiences and bad news are usually attracting more views/clicks than good ones. But hell, why am I telling you this? The Canadian educatino system completely failed on you and you are a lost cause as every regular reader here knows.

            Regarding no brutal crimes in China, not too long ago:

            http://www.chinasmack.com/2014/pictures/chinese-girl-bludgeoned-to-death-in-shandong-mcdonalds.html

            Another thing. My wife posted about an accident in her home town that involved a high governmental official killing a woman with 2 kids on her scooter. Guess what. Her post was deleted within 60 (!) seconds. And when she posted it again, it was immediately deleted once more.

            But how would you know anything about China because you have either never been here or just took a bus tour to go sightseeing, being impressed by the great architecture and the awesome food here.

            Wanna continue trolling us?

          • David

            But they do have lots of suicides. Like that corruption official last year who committed suicide by stabbing himself like 9 times in the back. I mean give credit where credit is due, when they want to commit suicide they don’t go half way.

          • Germandude

            Bullshit, Whuddyafuck would tell you that’s made up western propaganda.

          • David

            ;) well, I am just a bystander here. I only know what I read.

          • whuddyasack

            For someone who uses the word stupid a lot, you seem to have difficulty analyzing data and trends. German cognitive quality right? China has a lower violent crime rate because statistically this is the case. Note bolded word. It’s hilarious how you give one example a few months back and try to use this to represent 1.4 billion people. I can easily reproduce many more recent articles from any Western country. Keep in mind they all have much smaller populations than China. Of course your autism leads you to irrelevantly bring up dictatorships and democracies as a strawman. Did it occur to you that dictatorships can have low crime rates because people are simply too terrified of getting caught? You have yet to explain why established East Asian democracies outperform Western countries by a wide margin. China’s crime rates are simply mapping the pattern of its neighbors.

            Enough talk. If you think the west is so much safer than China why don’t you conduct an experiment? Film yourself walking the streets of Shanghai at night holding an “I’m Pro-Gay” placard. Do the same in Camden. If you survive, come back and then post here.

          • Germandude

            I can easily reproduce many more recent articles from any Western country.

            Correct, because our government and media cannot and will not hide shortcomings. Unlike China who is obnoxious about censorship.

            Since you do not understand anything I was saying (basics about governments and media), it’s useless to talk with you. Have a great day.

            PS: Regarding the Pro-gay card, I don’t know Camden. I do that in any major central European city and am sure nothing much will happen.

          • Probotector

            To be fair, both the US and the UK can be equally dangerous places to live, depending on where you are.

          • ex-expat

            I’ve never been to UK, but you really think the “bad” parts are comparable?

            I will say though, that it’s unfair to characterize the US as dangerous. There are a ton of places that are just as safe as anywhere.

          • David

            True, generally the poor places with high drug use are high crime areas, not rocket science (and yet people still live there everyday). But that is not a large part of the country.

          • Rick in China

            I don’t think you understand, Germandude.

            China has very little violent crime. This is why there are many areas in most every town with police on street corners constantly, because they’re unnecessary and the country just wants to employ people. Various squares and places of importance have heavy security screening because of the lack of crime, paramilitary barely even needs to exist! Who needs riot gear in China, it’s a peace loving nation of pacifists.

          • KamikaziPilot

            I think it’s pretty complicated as to why certain countries/areas have more crime than others but I don’t think the biggest factor is severity of punishment. Probably the biggest factors are contemporary culture and economic status. Culture tells them what’s socially acceptable and some are compelled to commit crimes due to economic circumstances. That said, I feel much safer walking at night in any Chinese big city than your average American city.

          • whuddyasack

            Yes, I agree with you that contemporary culture and economic status are very important factors, and somehow all these are interrelated. Socioeconomic factors are most critical which is why China’s low crime rate in the face of abject poverty is all the more amazing. And then we have only to look at her neighbors, many of them “advanced democracies” to find a trending pattern. Coincidence? Not really. Even if we rule out the genetics, culturally they all place a heavy emphasis on the “good society” with a zero crime tolerance policy.

            I say severity of punishment is important depending on who it is meted out on. There is no punishment that would deter the lower dregs of society, e.g. blacks and Muslims since they have nothing to lose. However, strict punishment is very effective on society’s more pampered middle and upper class who kill for the thrill. A good case to go by is Michael P. Fay, the first and only American flogged. Foreigners sure got the message after that.

            I feel much safer walking at night in any Chinese big city than your average American city.

            Likewise, and I believe even the most foolish here can only deny so much. I bet they would rather their elderly mothers walk in the streets of Beijing or Shanghai than along Chelsea Avenue in Memphis.

          • Rick in China

            “which is why China’s low crime rate in the face of abject poverty is all the more amazing”

            Wait. Are you dealing with REALITY, or reported figures? You realise most crimes in China do not go “officially” reported, recorded, investigated, or criminalised, right? Yet, you see, every night on the news, peasants in buildings wandering their apartment compounds poking bushes with sticks because of the *rampant* cat-burglars stealing from so many people in individual compounds, yet the police don’t take these cases. You can go on statistics, and say China is so safe and crime free, or you can fucking LIVE here for a year, get your shit stolen, and think “man, I was a fool for thinking bullshit numbers meant anything in my determination of reality”.

          • Insomnicide

            Is that speaking from personal experience? Hahaha.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            I wonder why Chinese and other Asians don’t become murderers and rapists in the United States?

          • Alex Dương
          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            by “don’t become murderers and rapists” I mean the chance of becoming murderers and rapists is many times lower, and is the same or lower than the chance of becoming murderers and rapists in their origin country

          • Rick in China

            Chinese people don’t commit murder or rape! China is a harmonious country.

            I think more murders happen in China each year. There are of course, immensely more people in the country, but the amount of murders which end up ‘suicide’ or unsolved is also probably immensely higher. The “convicted” number, however, is about the same. As far as ‘rate’, specifically, DC and Puerto Rico knock their rate off by a factor somewhere in the 20s.

            All this aside, socioeconomic status plays another role. Typically, immigrants allowed into the US have money and/or higher education, ie., they try to take the cream off the top of developing countries when allowing people to immigrate. This leads to, of course, a generally higher class of citizen in the immigrant brackets. This isn’t the case for Mexicans, however, who often cross over illegally…but is definitely the case for overseas immigrants. What this means is – the immigrants who are able to go abroad are usually the ‘better’ ones….jealous?

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Only 50% of Chinese Americans in the US have a Bachelor degree. They are elites but only half of them have ever gone to a University? Your hypothesis is wrong.

          • Rick in China

            Hey, dumb fuck, you realize not _all_ Chinese just arrived, right? Not to mention that, often, the bread winners of the family bring _their family with them_. So if there’s one highly qualified guy who lands a great job, he often tows his whole family along with ’em as he should, regardless of their individual qualifications.

            My hypothesis isn’t wrong, and your ‘point’ has nothing to do with the hypothesis. It’s just more illogical banter, of which you are famous for.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Are you really that mathematically incapable? You don’t realize that even if all the Chinese Americans with a Bachelor degree are saints who commits 0 crimes, the crime rate of the other un-educated half is still less than half of the crime rate of average white Americans?

          • Rick in China

            *sigh*

            It’s hard to communicate with retards. Ok, mathelete, lets neglect all of the facts which make you look as stupid as you obviously are, and stick with your ‘argument’. Scenario: I have a degree, I have a great job. I immigrate to another country. I bring my wife and family with me. What percentage of that family has degrees? Aside from me, possibly zero. In that case, all of my dependents do not register as having the skills or education that qualifies them as my supposed ‘quality immigrants’, but since they have a bread winner who supports them (and often has to, by law, in order to maintain immigration status) benefit from the economic, or socioeconomic privileged lifestyle that the breadwinner provides. This puts the *entire family* in that bracket, not just the person with the skills/education/job.

            Why must everything be explained to you with handholding, you’re the epitome of the type of ignorant fuckstick who can’t immigrate because *nobody wants your kind*, unless it’s in error and some other idiot accidentally stamps the wrong document.

            Consider this: I haven’t looked it up, I do NOT believe 50% of Chinese-Americans hold a degree just on hearing the statistic (it would be great if it’s true, though), but I can say that I don’t believe that the real number is LESS than that of other races you seem to be saying are responsible for all the murder & rape in America.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Social status, income and education are not the major factors contributing to the difference in crime rates, as many studies found.
            Your theory could not possibly explain the 5x difference between the crime rates of Asian Americans and white Americans.

            regardless of how class or crime were measured, social class exerted little direct influence on adult criminality in the general population.

            -Dunaway et al. (2000: 589)

            Many people believe that a bad social environment is a major contributor to crime. They believe that if people of all races had the same education, income, and social status, there would be no race differences in crime rates. Academic research, however, shows that these differences persist even after controlling for social variables.

            -The Color of Crime

            There is little support that a low relative income increases violent crime as has been hypothesized in sociologic theory.

            -Niknami, Susan(2012)

            Together, the work of Messner and Blau and Blau challenged common conceptions concerning the relationship between poverty and crime and pointed out that areas with high populations of people in poverty do not necessarily have corresponding higher rates of violent crime … Unlike poverty, studies that analyze racial composition and crime clearly find that there is a strong positive relationship between criminal violence and an area’s racial composition. This has been shown
            to be true across all levels of aggregation, including states
            (Huff-Corzine et al.), SMSAs (Balkwell), cities (Sampson), and neighborhoods (Warner and Rountree), as well as for all types of crime, including both violent (Messner, 1982) and property (Kubrin).

            -CRUTCHFIELD, ROBERT D.; KUBRIN, CHARIS E. (2002)

          • Rick in China

            Googling to find quotes that support _any_ narrative you choose to make, finds you quotes that support your argument. I can probably find a quote that says men who name themselves after female undergarments online often die as virgins from master-bating too vigorously to degenerative online porn sites. The difference between your nonsense and mine, is mine is probably more true.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            These quotes are from peer reviewed journals and well established studies.
            Are you saying that finding quote from credible sources to support one’s own argument is a bad thing?

          • Rick in China

            I’m saying that nothing I’ve read in any of your quotes provides anything beyond correlative evidence, which is not causation, and does not provide any sort of *hard evidence* to support the claim beyond age-old racist rhetoric and misunderstanding of genetics.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            I have never claimed any racial difference is genetic.
            The quotes supports my claim that the link between crime rate and (income, education and social status) is really weak. Therefore you hypothesis that educational and income level is the reason for Asian Americans’ 5x lower crime rate is false.

          • Rick in China

            It’s not weak whatsoever. You just find convenient quotes _by nobodies_ who state clearly shit like “Unlike poverty, studies that analyze racial composition and crime clearly find that there is a strong positive relationship between criminal violence and an area’s racial composition”. Which, um, duh – poor neighbourhoods are typically comprised of people with worse off socioeconomic status, and a higher number of those people are of specific minorities, so obviously a racist would draw that correlation rather than address the real issue – which is the obvious direct and significant impact of socioeconomic status as SO MANY STUDIES show. I’ve no interest in continuing this argument with someone as dense as you – it’s obvious you have done nothing more than google for quotes to support your conclusion, rather than actually *read* or *learn* anything of value on the subject.

      • SongYii

        This is called zipper merging and several US cities are now promoting it as more efficient use of space and time, whereas in the past people would give you dirty looks if you drive all the way to the merge in the closed lane before attempting to move over.

        • Rick in China

          In Canada, it’s just called common sense. That’s the way I learned to drive almost 2 decades ago. The problem in Canada is people are too polite, and often spend more time waving each other to ‘go ahead’ than trying to poke their front fender in front of the other vehicles so they get right of way..only after driving in China for many years do I realize how wonderfully relaxing driving in Canada is.

  • Germandude

    Topic of the article:
    Chinese Football Fans Pick Up Trash, Copying Japan’s Example?

    Yet, 2/3rd of the pics are about Japanese fans cleaning their rubbish. So, the conclusion of the article is sth like: The copy never surpasses the original. Or what?

    Anyways, good that people feel responsible and take action.

    • Insomnicide

      The Evergrande game was in 2012 while the Japan vs Brazil match is in 2014.

      In this case, Japan might be the copy.

      • Germandude

        Hm. So I see feasting on past actions is still necessary? Like: “We did sth good years ago, please pay credit on it. Again. And again. And once more please.”

        • Rick in China

          I think the only example citable being a couple years ago speaks volumes. :D

          • Kai

            The article is reporting on a recent Evergrande game (the first batch of pictures), and inclues the famous photo from the 2012 game to show this being a pattern with Evergrande fans. The 2012 game wasn’t the only example, just one of the earlier photographed examples that got some buzz with the public.

            @insomnicide:disqus

            No, I’m pretty sure Evergrande fans picked up (hah) the idea from Japanese fans in the past. Japanese fans picking up their garbage and those of their less conscientious compatriots is not new. The Brazil World Cup was just another larger world-stage instance that got some more kudos for them. They’ve been doing this for years. Credit where it is due.

          • Germandude

            That’s not the problem I think. The funny thing is that as soon as the reports came out during the world cup (Japanese picking the garbage), it was the bandwaggoning of “hey, we did so too, please pad my back”…

      • ex-expat

        Right, Japanese cleaning up after themselves are copying Chinese. That makes sense.

        • whuddyasack

          No one’s copying no one. They’re just following good examples and being civil. Insomnicide’s comment was obviously satire since Japan’s commitment to a clean environment is obvious.

          • ex-expat

            Yet, in your last post you wrote: “Besides, there are certainly worse things to by copying.”

            Regardless, I for one am impressed. You have apparently made it through several posts without mentioning race. Keep up the good work.

          • whuddyasack

            I really should have put “copying” in quotes since that last sentence was a mockery of those who believed in this “copying” nonsense. By worse things I was talking about certain unwanted delinquent activities from “advanced” nations not named Japan ;-)

          • Probotector

            Didn’t you hear? He’s in love now.

          • Germandude

            Don’t try to get any logic or consistency out of him. He just smears his brainfarts online to virtually pad his back and telling him how tough and wise guy he is, having fought for his honor against white rapists and blacks and reds and brown and whatever is non-yellow.

            Simpleton logic that is.

          • ex-expat

            They say a smart man knows what he doesn’t know. Whuddyasack, on the other hand, thinks he knows everything. I’m guessing he is pretty young, as his comments reflect a pretty high level of immaturity. I agree, I think it’s just better to ignore him

          • Germandude

            Beginning 20s at most. And that’s just the age the passport states. Mentally, he is 10-12 years younger than that.
            His argumentation constructs show all the time.

      • whuddyasack

        Copy or no copy it’s just a cheap attempt at comparisons. The reason most of the pictures were about Japan was obviously to provide context, historically and culturally to explain what motivates Japan’s emphasis on cleanliness. I quite enjoyed that actually, as it only goes to show that all countries, even “hyper, mystical, divine” ones started somewhere (referring to the 50s). China needs the awareness and motivation.

        I think both countries should be commended on for what they have shown. Japan, for it’s long history of social and environmental awareness and response to cleanliness. China for it’s willingness to learn, self-reflect and give credit where it is due. ;-P

        This comment says it all

        Even this is called copying Japan? This is simply being civilized/well-mannered, which is not something the Japanese invented! Praise/commend!

      • donscarletti

        Nothing is quite as fun as going to the national museum and discussing in Chinese how Tang dynasty fashion was copied from the Japanese and Koreans.

        Though my favourite is the common phenomenon of certain westerners call Han characters “Kanji” out of completely innocent ignorance of the correct nomenclature, which is way better trolling than I could think of.

  • RickyBeijing

    Whether it was done before or not is irrelevant. Seeing people in China give this much of a shit really brings hope that there might be good people here.

    • Edward Kay

      Why are your comments always so negative on the Chinese in China? The damn world is round.

      • James in China

        Have you ever lived in China? Come stay here a while, and I don’t mean in some expat compound. Come live here and see if your opinion doesn’t change.

        • Edward Kay

          Then leave, why stay on? Compare yourselves to those who are making the same salary. It’ll be the same in any country. Give them some time.

          • James in China

            So, by your logic, someone who lives in a country, pays taxes in a country is not supposed to formulate an opinion, positive or negative on that country? If that opinion is negative, they should just leave? I don’t think that’s how things work.

          • Edward Kay

            Allow me to rephrase, it wasn’t meant to be sarcastic. I was about to open a factory in Shenzen however, I couldn’t stand the conditions. So, I chose another area. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. My logic is simple. Unless I can contribute or change the situation, I would either leave or join them. Being negative all the time will make your stay even more unpleasant.

          • David

            Actually he sounds like the Chinese government. “Nothing to see here, just move along, we are all harmonious. If you say anything negative you will get yours”

            Edward, often as foreigners we can say things that Chinese citizens are afraid to say, or do not know it can be better (I have had many discussions about things like this with my Chinese friends). I think as long as the comment is meant to make people aware (mostly the Chinese citizens, as the ex-pats usually already see the problems), even if you disagree with it or think they are wrong, it is better to tell them why they are wrong then just shut up. I think your comment below did a much better job of explaining what you were trying to say.

      • donscarletti

        Good point about the damn world being round. Currency speculation is a high risk investment. Turmeric adds a lot of colour to a dish but little flavour. Sometimes the acorn should bury the squirrel for a change.

  • Irvin

    Now the cleaning lady is out of a job.

  • SongYii

    Those Japanese girls cleaning up, with the face paint, are smokin hot.

  • DavidisDawei

    There’s no doubt this is indoctrinated into the Japanese at an early age.
    In Shinjuku, I could not find a garbage can on the street, but their streets were free of garbage and cigarettes.
    Another time, I came to a red light at an intersection with an alley (it was too small to be a street) and everyone was stopped and wouldn’t cross. I stood there, looked at the people, looked down the alley, nothing coming. I wish I had taken a video. I walked across and kept going. they didn’t say anything, but not one of the Japanese crossed and stood there until it turned green. I brought the garbage back to my hotel, but I wonder what would have happened if I tossed the empty bottle in the street?

    • Kai

      I personally like to think the world would suddenly go blinding white, and as your vision returns, you’d suddenly see the back side of a ninja catgirl motionless, crouching on the ground, her hand upon the hilt of her katana. In that moment, as you then look down, the top half of your body slowly slides off the bottom half, and then all goes red, before black.

      • Dr Sun

        o O

      • DavidisDawei

        This last post sounds like something “Fire/Gerhana” would have written…I miss those creative posts.
        Anyways, that vibe seems to be alive and well in Tokyo – I walked into this world down an alley/street of anime/cosplay people on an exploration walk around Tokyo.
        It was so crowded full of people in costume, I don’t recall a lot, but do remember being badgered by a group of African scammers.

      • bujiebuke

        Someone’s been watching Ninja Scrolls…

        • Kai

          Actually, I don’t think I ever have. I was just mixing in a bunch of anime tropes for fun.

          • bujiebuke

            “Actually, I don’t think I ever have”

            Get on it, pronto

      • Insomnicide

        Full novel where?

        • Kai

          I wish I had such talent.

    • joe blow

      Then try Shibuya. Every night the streets are choked with debris: napkins, drink bottles, condoms/condom wrappers. Then try going out of the cities. The countryside is littered with appliances that people don’t want to pay to dispose of so they just throw them into rivers and creeks. The Japanese are far from as clean as they would have you believe.

      • DavidisDawei

        Unfortunately, I didn’t get a lot of time to explore outside the cities – only what I saw from the trains throughout Japan.
        I walked to Shibuya from Shinjuku through the park. Shibuya is high end retail area near the anime street?
        I didn’t see that, but maybe it was cleaned up before I walked those areas. I know there is a dirty side, like most cities. On my walk around Tokyo and Fukuoka I found their VERY prominent Red light districts. Both were grungy and nasty, but many of the ladies were quite friendly.

  • b duck

    i’m sure after mao’s generation are all over, chinese will be more civilized.

    • b duck

      wow, i got so many hits!

    • comradewang

      best comment evaaaar!

  • 500,000,000 years of history

    Now if all the bloody tourists in Qingdao or elsewhere would just pick up after themselves, there might be hope for China’s environment. A clean environment is far more important than a clean stadium.

  • Raymond

    If only the people at the gym would pick up after their dirty crumpled paper towels they scatter all over the floor around the equipments…

    • Rick in China

      That’s nothing. Friend and I went to check out a new gym in Chengdu downtown a few years ago. It was around 4500rmb/yr, quite expensive relative to the majority at the time, but looked nice new clean etc…so thought it had some potential. When we were leaving, though:

      Saw a dude stand up on a bench in the locker room, departing from his underwear/shorts together on the bench below. That wasn’t the biggest problem, though. The biggest problem was the giant fucking liquid shit he filled his pants with, and decided it was a good idea to begin his clean-up by leaving his shit-in underwear/shorts fully exposed for all to take assessment of. We decided it wasn’t the gym for us. I can live with a few crumpled paper towels. :D

  • Rick in China

    I don’t really understand why this has anything to do with Japan. As such, I DEMAND my right to invoke http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines

    Maybe China can copy Japan’s example of:

    * Being less noisy. (both figuratively and literally)
    * Being more humble. Real humble, not fake humble while secretly or in private groups thinking they’re the centre of the universe deserving the world on a platter.
    * Taking some responsibility for actions (in Japan, when people fuck up, they take their own lives. In China, when people fuck up, they shed responsibility and pass the buck.)
    * Letting go of issues from past generations. Not forgetting, just not clinging like it’s the only thing in the world.

    • Guang Xiang

      I get what you’re trying to say but out of the four, only the first makes the best example.

      • Rick in China

        Sure.. I’m not holding fast on these 4, it was close to filler text after the 1st, because you can’t really make a list with 1, and a list looks better than just one point :D

        • David

          I gotta say China is one noisy place. Now, in fairness to the Chinese, they seem to like it. But I have NEVER seen a Chinese man answer a phone inside where he did not yell. Ina restaurant, on a train or plane. I have even had Chinese handymen do this in my office AND even in my classroom while they are fixing something. It is like they really do tone out everybody else and think they are the only person in the universe. I have had to tell workers to get out of my classroom because I was trying to teach a class and they look at me like they don’t understand why (don’t even get me started on the rudeness of working on something while I have a class going).

          • Rick in China

            If it were a cell phone only issue, I’d wager it sounds louder to in-person speakers than the other side because they’re yelling *forward* rather than directly into the phone’s microphone.

            However, it’s not at all a mobile-only occurrence, and they yell everywhere, for everything, as soon as a few people get together in a group, and it magnifies as soon as you put 2 or more groups together. This weekend we took our baby to a busy ocean park in Chengdu, my god. It was a nice day. We bought tickets, then thought, hm..we should have gotten annual passes, it works out to be way cheaper if we end up coming again a couple times in the next year. We walked in, it was so, so crowded. There were parts that I was worried my baby’s eardrums were going to get *FUCKED* by all the massive annual-pass-because-we-have-nowhere-else-to-go-every-day ghetto bumpkins swarming around yelling to overcome all the other people yelling’s noise level with their halitosis creating smog-like wafts around us. We were glad we only bought day passes.

          • DavidisDawei

            Your post reminded me of the time I took a high speed train when it first opened. Most people still took the cheap/slow train on this route at that time, so there were only two people in this brand spanking new car; me and a Chinese guy on his cell phone
            I sat in the front row – 3 seats on each side with a middle aisle (60 or 80 seats in the car?) .
            Where does this guy sit? yep, right next to me. And as you pointed out, he is screaming into his cell phone even though it wasn’t very loud on the train at 300+ Km/Hr.
            I got up and moved away from him and this guy follows me…
            so i sit down and pull out my phone and start screaming into it. He looks at me like I’m crazy and moved away, but kept talking on max volume for the next 45 minutes.

          • Rick in China

            “I got up and moved away from him and this guy follows me…”

            What??? That’s the craziest part of this story. Why would he possibly get up and follow you? I’d probably get a little defensive/aggressive at this point..

          • DavidisDawei

            haha – i was a little irritated, but I think he must have been on auto pilot.
            Maybe it’s as simple as the Chinese like crowds so he gravitated to the only other person on the train?
            This was before I had learned any Mandarin and I wasn’t going to run and hide in the bathroom, so I thought he’d get the hint if I pulled out my phone and mimicked him.

          • KamikaziPilot

            OH god do you think it’s was just part of Chinese culture? Following someone in an empty train, haha. Maybe he had a fear of being alone. That’s just bizarre. So let me get this straight, he’s on his phone, you move away, and then he’s still on his phone and gets up and sits right next to you? I don’t think that’s acceptable anywhere. Maybe he was subconsciously obsessed with your foreignness. You should have put your arms around him like he was your buddy, either that or yelled into his ear, not your phone.

          • DavidisDawei

            HaHa – Ok – I will try hugging him next time.
            I have the same thing happen when walking on the street in China. I’ll be walking in a straight line along the sidewalk and someone is coming from the other direction and they veer into my path.
            I usually will move to avoid a collision, but there have been times when people with their heads in the phones walked into me.

          • David

            yea, I don’t even want to get onto why when your taking a piss in an empty public bathroom, the next guy in will see you and walk right up next to you. THAT I am sure is cultural but I don’t understand it.

          • David

            Wow, sorry to hear that. I have found by looking at a guy and talking really loudly, they sometimes (only sometimes) get the point. I took the fast train from Wuxi to Ningbo on Monday and I decided to buy the first class seats for the 3 hour ride. In the seat across from me and my friend some jerk decided he wanted to watch a movie on his computer, without headphones. He just played it at full volume. I grumble a few time then I gave him a could of dirty looks. Finally I just said to him “hey, how about turning it down so the rest of us can think about what we want and not your movie” He obviously did not understand the words but did get the meaning and looked surprised that anybody would say something to him. I said it loud so he would be embarrassed and he apologized and turned it down. I know it was playing the ugly American and I hate to do that but once in a while it is called for. So we had some quiet just in time for two guys to get on their phones and talk loudly. Luckily they all got off in Shanghai (about halfway) and while more people got on there, it was a relatively quiet ride to Ningbo. lol

          • DavidisDawei

            Oh, I can empathize David!

            I like Ningbo a lot. I considered moving there several years ago.If you get a chance take the boat out to Island. I recall it being a Buddhist Island with a 20 meter tall Golden Buddha. Very peaceful when I was there; stayed overnight at the hotel.
            I used to have a lot of material, slowly going thru it and creating videos for memories

          • David

            Yea, I stayed on Putuoshan for four days and saw the Buddha (among other things). The beaches are nice but the ocean water is brown.

          • David

            The Buddha

          • DavidisDawei

            Is that your wife? – Your Buddha Shot is a Lot nicer than Mine!
            I enjoyed the “spiritual path”(photo below) – did you see these? People would climb these stairs on their hands and knees in atonement.

          • David

            No, that is just a friend of mine who was nice enough to accompany and translate the Chinese for me and my other friends. I did see these steps and a few people were doing that when I was there also. I like your picture.

        • Guang Xiang

          you could add travel etiquette, heck, etiquette in general.

          clipping nails in public (pet peeve)

    • Teacher in China

      Man I am so with you on #1. I’ve noticed in the past few days that there’s a new car horn showing itself around town: it’s a super loud, high-pitched tone (kind of hard to describe in more detail than that). That’s in addition to the loud normal one that echoes, and the loud imitation police siren, and then the other super loud one that sounds almost not like a horn at all but the sound from a game show when you get the wrong answer but multiplied by like 7000 times. Whenever I’m outside, it’s a constant stream of honking at all times. My wife and I went back to Canada last summer, and I’m not joking when I say that in the first 2 minutes being back in Songyuan I heard more car horns than the entire month in Canada.

      The funny thing about it all is that the only reason this is happening is that the original car horns lost all effectiveness out of being used so often. The environment is so constantly flooded with honks that people ignore them. How many times have I seen a pedestrian wander in front of a car with its horn blaring, completely oblivious?

      Should fairly note that all cities in China are not as bad as my own.

      • Rick in China

        Yep – it’s a constant battle of one-upmanship. You got a loud horn? Fuck that, I’ll get a louder one. You keep slamming horn? I’ll slam it more. It’s another good example of the spiral of terror that plagues many of these type of behaviours. People simply don’t use horns in Canada man, it’s like…. SO rare, and only a light tap, if ever..unless it’s to scare a deer off the road :P That goes for many driving habits (on the west coast at least)… typically feels way more calm, organised, and far less aggressive.

  • mr.wiener

    There are worse examples they could follow.

  • Seems like
    China invented garbage
    Japan invented picking it up

  • DavidisDawei

    IMO, Japan is a definite must see, but when you go to cities like Fukuoka, they are not as clean as many Japanese cities. In some places, it felt more like China or Korea instead of Japan.

  • Apothis

    There is hope for the heavenly kingdom to complete it’s jump from a third world country to a modern progressive country……

  • whuddyasack

    A follow up to the World Cup article! Well, it’s nice that the Chinese are taking notice and following Japan’s lead. This is the right step rather than to sit down and do nothing but criticize a dirtier, poorer nation just because your own nation can’t compete. Besides, there are certainly worse things to by copying.

    • Probotector

      I thought you were leaving.

      • KamikaziPilot

        Pot calling the kettle black.

        • Probotector

          Touche

  • Zsari Maxim

    Way to put people out of job. For countries that’s short on laborer and high on labor cost, it makes economic sense, but for a country like China, it does not.

  • dgosh343

    In my experience, many people in China have a terrible attitude towards cleaning up after themselves. Almost like they are above it and some one below them should be doing the cleaning for them. To see this is encouraging. This competitive attitude towards the Japanese may have some positive side effects after all.

  • SongYii

    The Shinto cleanliness is, however, lost on a certain contingent of Japanese who choose to spend their careers performing in AV videos.

  • Probotector

    Copying or not, it’s just a good thing that they’re doing it.

  • Everyone should copy this

  • People are against laws on illegal downloads? How in the world does that make money or help those of us who create music, software and movies? Illegal downloads benefits no one, for even the one who illegally downloaded the music, movie, game, software doesn’t even share money he/she earned from work, working for not. And of course those who produced the digital material also got nothing for it, yet everyone needs to eat. So hackers want everything for free, break laws, and think it is ok?

    • bang2tang

      agreed, but i must admit i still download illegal songs from internet. Basically similar to stealing I guess…

  • Teacher in China

    Too bad they have to couch it in the “copying from Japan” thing – I’m sure a lot of Chinese would resist it because of that. That being said, congrats on those fans for picking up a good habit, and for being able to see past prejudices against a country and copy what is clearly a good example and something that China really needs. Spending a lot more time with my little nephew lately, and I’m really trying to teach him to put garbage in the garbage cans rather than on the ground.

  • PBritt

    I praise the fans for adopting a wonderful idea.

  • linette lee

    This is a miracle. There is hope for China.

  • vincent_t

    Let’s face it, some of us(foreigners) like to talk and act here like we are way better than the Chinese, we sneer at their public manner, their inability to think critically and independently, their spoon feed education, even calling their dick as pencil. But let me tell you 1 thing, over the 4+ years here, I’d seen the energy and dedication in this society that I feel it will drive their nation to a much better and promising future. So many of the young people here are hungry for knowledge, experience, exposure and putting the good value into their culture. Like it or not, they are definitely rising.

    • bang2tang

      sorry but dick as pencil make me laugh, you’re too much lol

  • donscarletti

    “Unfortunately while fans take the effort to behave so well inside the stadium, they don’t always do so in their everyday lives.”

    So, basically the opposite situation to Europe?

  • hacienda

    instead of saying they are copying (they always will, they’re chinese after all), why not just say following the lead of the japanese?

  • Edward Kay

    You’ve dropped the “in”. Congrats on being a “BeijingRen”. It isn’t that I don’t understand but I prefer to read the more constructive banters here. Otherwise I can find all the nonsense on youtube.
    My apologies if I have offended you.

  • bang2tang

    not because of shintoism???

  • cb4242

    After living more than 15 years in Japan, I can say besides Singapore, and actually Austria, these are some of the cleanest countries in the world. In Japan, people almost always pick up their trash everywhere. One reason is, in many areas, parks, even recently convenience stores, many don’t have trash cans, therefore, you need to take your trash with you. I was at the laundry mat last night and I needed to throw away a bunch of “Bounce sheets” and inside or outside the facility, there was NO garbage bin anywhere, so in some ways, they force you to take your trash with you. At the convenience stores, they used to have the trash bins outside, but recently, more and more of them are putting their bins inside, so that ONLY customers can throw things away where they can see who is doing what.
    You go to the movie theater, you can eat off the floor and yes, they take their trash with them after the credits are finished rolling. The staff are sweeping, but there really isn’t anything to sweep.
    The Japanese are extremely anal when it comes to deposing trash. NOT where I live, but some cities even require you to put your name and address on your bags when you dispose of them and of course, you would NEVER see a Japanese spit anywhere, it’s unthinkable. I body build and even at the gym, EVERY TIME you finish up a machine, you should wipe it down, each machine has its very own towel to use when you wipe it down. Many businesses sweep and brush before opening up their businesses. “They think you should leave it exactly the way it was when you got there.” It is most definitely taught, pounded and ingrained in their psyche. So when I heard the Japanese were picking up their trash during the WorldCup, I wasn’t in the least surprised.

    • Yoyo

      The “no garbage bins” thing wouldn’t work in China, most people won’t hesitate to toss their trash wherever they can without feeling any shame, and shout at you for asking them not to do that.

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