Chinese Girl Bludgeoned to Death in Shandong McDonald’s

The body of a young girl who was bludgeoned to death with a metal pole inside a McDonald's in Zhaoyuan city Shandong province, China.

Currently the hottest microblog post of the day on Chinese social network Sina Weibo…

WARNING: The images below are the originals attached to the below translated microblog post and are either uncensored or less-censored. They may be disturbing to certain viewers. Discretion advised.

From Sina Weibo:

@请叫我路飞船长 Shandong province Zhaoyuan city, at 9pm on May 28th, inside the McDonald’s opposite the Public Security Bureau [police]. Five attackers, driving a Porsche Cayenne, and a victim, both sides not knowing each other. The attackers asked the girl for her telephone number. The girl refused to give it, so the five thugs viciously beat the girl, pushing the girl down onto the ground kicking her head, and bashed her head in with a steel pole, even breaking the steel pole, beating the young girl to death. http://t.cn/Rv5ulIx @人民日报 [@People's Daily] @央视新闻 [@CCTV News]

Comments from Sina Weibo:

沐剑://@资本杀手寇文红:

I bet that not a single one of these five scum will be sentenced with the death penalty, what do you all think? The reason is very simple: Those who are able to afford a Porsche Cayenne in a county seat as well as dare to so openly and publicly hit on young girls and then publicly murder them when they’re unsuccessful must have very deep backgrounds [powerful connections]. Maybe in several days it will be said that the five people were drunk, had surrendered themselves, are remorseful and cooperative, that this young girl was actually a prostitute, that the victim’s family is willing to settle the matter privately, etc.

无节操阿迪男Wyf:

It took me a long time to calm down. I watched the video over and over again. The girl’s screams are too horrifying. No one went forward to help. I can be certain and am certain that this group of people are part of a cult. The male leading the group screamed “Demon”, screamed “Go to hell!”, and just like that some wai di ren beat to death a Zhaoyuan local without a single person lending a hand to help. Frightening. This time it was someone else, but maybe next time it will be your sister who is beaten to death. Chinese people, where is your courage and uprightness?

NucleA_核燃少年:

The guy filming had gone up to stop it, and not just once, but one of the accomplices confronted him and said whoever interfered would die. He was probably with his girlfriend, so he had someone he had to protect. Those below who are criticizing/attacking him, I bet some of you would have long ago fled and disappeared without a trace upon encountering this scene.

神叨叨-寻找目标:

For this kind of thing, where someone is beat to death, to happen in a place of business operated by McDonald’s, and for McDonald’s to not have taken any action to intervene or maintain order, McDonald’s is at least violating the Consumer Rights Protection Law. McDonald’s therefore bears an unshirkable responsibility. While pursuing criminal responsibility against the thugs, McDonald’s should be required to pay compensation.

这个罗卜没有艹:回复@仰天长啸88:

The reason the view in the video is constantly unsteady/not upright is precisely because the person filming was himself thinking of how to intervene. He also had his girlfriend by his side, someone he had to protect. Moreover, in the video, the person filming did things trying to stop them, but there were a lot of attackers, and that woman also screamed that whoever interfered would die and such. Who among the vast majority of us ordinary common people have encountered such a situation? Only when it happens to you do you know the pain, fear, and grief involved. So let’s first observe a moment of silence for the departed, okay?

邴朝闻道:

Those people who are cursing the person filming for not going up to stop them are mentally retarded. They are five people willing to use a steel pole to beat someone to death, and would probably not care about beating to death a second person who goes up to stop them. In that situation, filming it so that more people can see what actually happened and for all of society to know about it is much better than having someone go up to commit suicide. All these people making themselves out to be Iron Man talking about how they would do this or that if it were them, I bet when the time actually comes, you’ll have already had the shit scared out of you.

文舟宁:

I request that CCTV live broadcast the execution of the six people involved.

我叫大王去巡山YYY:回复@_Prate:

Please do not call into question Zhaoyuan police. The police officers arrived on the scene within three minutes and arrested the six murderers on the spot and processed the case overnight so that now aside from a 13-year-old boy who is not of lawful age, the other five people have all been charged. Everyone please trust that the government legal institutions will give the people a satisfactory handling of the matter.

Bathe控:

Stop criticizing the person who filmed the video. In that kind of situation, I think just daring to record evidence was already really brave.

伐代:

Among the attackers, the man screaming about demons and devils, the woman screaming about whoever gets in the way would be killed, shows that it is very likely a cult engaged in recruiting, and then killing the person for refusing. If this [cult] isn’t dealt with, it would be an injustice.

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  • Insomnicide

    Killed for refusing to give her phone? Oh man.

    • bang2tang

      I don’t understand how they don’t have any pity to this girl even after her head shed blood.

      • Insomnicide

        The attackers? They’re probably crazy. No, most likely crazy.

  • Joey

    Man, people are fucked up.

    • Insomnicide

      It’s not hard to believe now why some people think this is a part of a cult ritual. Simply too bizarre.

  • satuon

    Lol, that’s some pick-up artists.

    I’ve heard really good-looking women memorize a fake number to give, because they’re approached often and they’ve encountered pick-up artists who don’t handle rejection well.

    Now I see why they’d do it…

  • mr.wiener

    What the actual f*ck…?!

    • Honibaz

      Average day in China.

    • Irvin

      yeah….it was fucked up…..still can’t get the screams and image off my head after watching the vid.

  • Cameron

    What a fucking disturbing story.This is what I read. Apparently the suspects have been caught. One of them is 13 years old. China has no legal process for under 14 year olds so he will be merely sent home, presumably with a clip around the ear.

  • http://shanghaiist.com/ The FRED FONG

    Seems like some real extreme sh!t is going on in China…or maybe just more of it is being photographed….very disturbing

    • Mighty曹

      Would have been more extreme if during the beating some knife wielding attackers come in and slash at these punks as their only victims.

      • whuddyasack

        They won’t, because just like these fookin thugs, the knife wielders are cowards at heart. Too. And supported by the cowards here.

      • JamesGrattan

        would of been,but knowing the girls luck ,they also would of joined in,world is fked up like that

        • Mighty曹

          That WOULD be fucked up. lol

  • Germandude

    And the best comment: Mc Donald’s holds some responsibility…

    What is wrong with people nowadays?

    • Mighty曹

      Chinese are starting to think too much like sue-happy Americans.

      • Germandude

        Chinese girl gets beaten to death by spoiled Chinese rich kid. Who is to blame for compensation? Western company. Who else of course?

        • Mighty曹

          Are you sure that’s not a fake McDonald (like that Apple store)?

        • Insomnicide

          He is right though, in a legal aspect. McDonalds should say something about this, at the very least. Normally companies do make a statement for things that happen within their premises.

          But then again, this is China. So that might get ignored completely.

          • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma Reloaded

            haha they don’t admit their burgers are made of everything except meat.. do you think they would care about this? Btw western companies bosses in China are Chinese, not western. So… must save face.

          • Irvin

            Mcd isn’t owned by the parent company in china, they just license the franchise, it’s run by chinese people.

        • Zsari Maxim

          Rich kid eating at McDonald?

          • noodles76

            They take their western fast food seriously here. Wasn’t there a story not long ago about a SWAT guy getting beaten on by a bunch of thugs because he wouldn’t let them cut the line? …at Pizza Hut.

        • don mario

          western company and western religion obviously!

      • Nishi Hundan

        Actually, they’ve always thought like this. Everything can be redressed through monetary compensation. I just don’t get that kind of thinking.

        • Mighty曹

          It’s all part of the culture. Lots of mediation (much like ‘out of court settlement’) between clans. Especially in the rural areas where the head of the village is pretty much ‘the law’.

      • Kai

        While I get your facetious point, since I’m being accused of never defending Americans, I don’t think the reason Chinese people here think McD bears liability is the same as “sue-happy Americans”. It has more to do with what I wrote here.

        • Mighty曹

          Thanks for recognizing the facetious nature and not pounce on me.
          ‘holding a business culpable’ is mainly how a person sees it as a potential cash mine, especially in big name corporations. That’s where Americans take the pie in frivolous suits against business and city government.

  • lonetrey / Dan

    I don’t know, i think if i was a bystander the least i could do is throw shit at thr crazies from a distance…

    A chair or a table comes to mind.

    Also, if they were afraid of assault , it’s hard to catch someone if you’re holding a heavy metal object

    • Insomnicide

      The chairs and tables in McDonalds are nailed to the floor, isn’t that convenient?

      I dare say they may have chosen this location on purpose for this very reason.

      • Irvin

        Yeah…..the only thing that can kill you in mcdonalds is the food, and you have to eat it for it to work and it’s a very slow process.

  • Cameron

    Not blaming the people there for not intervening. But by the sounds of it it’s just one mentalist with a metal pole, a 13 year old boy and four women. You’d like to think you’d at least have go at stopping the guy with the pole if you were there – perhaps depending on if there were any other customers to back you up.

  • Cameron

    Also if you are lucid and not in too much shock to be able to record the incident on your mobile … Maybe you could have taken some more effective action at helping the poor girl?

  • Mighty曹

    Cayenne is a popular vehicle among Chinese gangbangers. It’d be interesting to see if these thugs are.

    • Germandude

      Heard that the major perpetrator is the owner (or the son of the owner) of one of the biggest mining companies in that area.

      • Mighty曹

        If Li Tianyi couldn’t escape justice neither should these bitches.

        • whuddyasack

          They won’t. Death penalty for sure. At least for the “male” animal with the steel pipe.

          • http://www.pearltiles.com Martin Xu

            i would like to see all of them got death penalty! or that’s not fair enough!

  • Cameron

    Not usually a fan of police brutality, but I hope before sentencing they kick the fucking shit out of the man who did this and the woman with him. That’s surely the least they deserve.

  • Cameron

    China is a country that really does have a problem with violence against women. I personally know three or four women who have been beaten by their spouses. It’s not as big a taboo as it is in the West thats for sure.

    • Insomnicide

      This has nothing to do with domestic violence. It’s a gang killing. Could have been anyone, male or female.

      • Irvin

        Cult killing

        • linette lee

          Hey Irvin, this is your favorite country in the world. Good old china. EVerybody just stand there so busy video taping won’t even bother screaming threaten them calling the police. The staff won’t even bother to come out and threaten them about police. But of course when the China police comes they will just say it’s an accident, the girl tripped and fell down hit her head on the floor and drop dead..signed…. case close. Easy job less work. LOL.

          Gang or no gang killing a person in a public place and no one bother to scream for police..Hey China..first class world economy third world mentality. It’s going to take another 100 years before the mentality of China people can catch up with the first world country. LOL.

          • Irvin

            This isn’t my favorite country in the world but it seems like definitely your most hated one since you lurk here ever so often posting your bias and extreme views.

            You must be really insecure if you need to constantly post and read about all the negativity in china to justify your views.

          • grand

            seriously stop posting and stop make yourself look like a retard.

        • linette lee

          I bet that not a single one of these five scum will be sentenced with the death penalty, what do you all think? The reason is very simple: Those who are able to afford a Porsche Cayenne in a county seat as well as dare to so openly and publicly hit on young girls and then publicly murder them when they’re unsuccessful must have very deep backgrounds [powerful connections]

          This is China gov’t policy and their law. And this is why Hong kong and Taiwan people don’t want our gov’t to merge with China gov’t. No please.

          • Irvin

            Let the speculation and theories commence!

    • karpouzi

      Police have confirmed this as a cult killing by the “Quannengshen”. Nothing to do with sexism, domestic violence or rich/poor. Unfortunately some people have so many political axes to grind they dont even bother looking at the facts.

      • don mario

        unfortunately being ‘confirmed’ by any official source in china means nothing. there is no rule of law, i wipe my ass with chinas official statements and you should too.

        • karpouzi

          Why do you think the victim, perp and his family were screaming religious statements throughout the whole thing? Where is the actual evidence that he was a sexist guy trying to pick up a mistress in McDs in front of his wife and kids, or he hated poor people? People are making statements out of sheer prejudice.

          You should be skeptical of official statements, not automatically dismiss them out of hand for no particular reason. I know people like to scoff at Chinese officials but they have been usually accurate for things like this.

          • don mario

            i dont know why, but unless i see more evidence to round off this story i don’t see WHY i have to settle for the press statement? you do know that rule of law comes in at FOURTH place in the chinese courts right? its considered less important than holding up national security. anything that can make people get out of line is reason to cover it up. pull your head out of your ass son.

  • bang2tang

    sick bastard, did they consider her as dog?

  • ytuque

    Too bad some Uighers didn’t come by a for an attack while this was happening as no Han Chinese males would do anything other than make a video.

    • whuddyasack

      They won’t because the terrorists are simply cowards that attack the weak, defenceless and innocent. Like these goons. Complain all you want about the person taking this video, but IMO at the very least he documented the whole thing as evidence. Given the same situation, you’d run by the looks of it. It’s what frustrated race baiters always do.

      • Germandude

        It’s what frustrated race baiters always do.

        Well, you are right with this. And since you are the one with the longest history of race baiting (check your own disqus comment history for proof), chances are, you are the fastest runner on here…

  • Cameron

    Yeah. Sure it must be scary but the guy has got a metal stick, not a gun or even a knife. Couldn’t someone have done SOMETHING?

    • Irvin

      Ask yourself, have you witness something like this yourself? I can assure you that if this does happened to you, you’ll be too shocked to do anything.

      These things just doesn’t happened too often in china, that’s why it made it to the news.

      • noodles76

        As much as I’d like to think I’d be the guy to stand up and do something, in all likelihood….I wouldn’t be. In all likelihood, most of us wouldn’t be…regardless of how tough we may try to sound on the internet or when we talk about this story with others. Without some kind of training for situations somewhat similar to this one (in theory anyway), most of us are not going to make a conscious decision to intervene or not. It’s just going to happen….or not happen. Mostly, not.

        ….and Cameron….do you truly think that you’d have been ‘that’ guy? The one to stand up and do something? You’re sitting in McD’s….what are you armed with? Training? A spork? Your witty personality? Double Cheeseburger? The other guy…who is obviously in a rage has a metal pipe looking thing….and is not alone.

        We’re often quick to blame others for their inaction when we ourselves have nothing to offer but empty words after the fact.

        • L3ros

          Well I have seen real violence in action, hooligans fighting each other, throwing around pints, chairs, tables, knives and policemen. A bouncer break some guys face and then trying to throw off a 2 story high walkway, random beatings in the subway all kinds of unnecessary shit I couldn’t do much about alone or without endangering someone I was with.

          The only things I really did intervene was when I knew I stood a chance.

          I chased off some racist harassing a dark skinned girl, punched a guy hitting a girl for no reason at a party, kicked over someone that decided to grope a friend of mine. One on one situations.

          6 guys with a metal pole is not a fight I can win and not a fight you start when you have someone else around that could get hurt. Unless you have numbers or weapons, you can only be put in the hospital or the ground.

          Even if you got a knife from the kitchen, stabbing 6 people is not easily done neither psychologically, nor physically.

          I saw the pics, I watched a bit of the video and I too am full of rage, but let us be realistic here.

          • JamesGrattan

            HEY! someone else thought to raid the kitchen(it was not blocked off by them),yea agreed with that you said,as someone else who knows the true reality of a real fight,but i myself would of spoke amoung ppl nearby quickly see if there was anymore others like mind like you and me,see how many we could round up First,THEN raid the kitchen for knives,Boiling Oil and Choppers.,but sometimes stuff just happens too quickly i heard this lasted 4mins,with 3mins or so of being aware it was happening,you need to do it all quickly,rather then default reaction of maybe they will just stop hitting

        • Irvin

          My point is: the amount of overwhelming emotions that will wash over you for a situation like this, the pure absurdity of it, is different than sitting in front of a computer contemplating on such situation.

          When we go to mcd, we are there to eat crappy food, it’s what we’re mentally prepared for….no one is prepared to see another human being killed. People have panic attacks for less.

          The bf filming did the best he could without breaking down into a panic attack like his gf did, he even helped her get out. And people judge him for not helping? what bullshit.

          • noodles76

            I agree with you.

        • Kai

          Last time I saw a spork was at KFC, and a State-side KFC at that. They don’t have sporks at the KFCs in China, much less McDs. I would eat the double-cheeseburger first before intervening. Could be my last meal.

          • moop

            stuff some fries in the double cheeseburger… delicious

          • noodles76

            Spork just sounds so much better than fork.

      • whuddyasack

        Pretty much, I’ve actually experienced inaction from “white men” (the men part being questionable since they’re bigger cowards than their female counterparts). And in my case, it wasn’t even a violent encounter, just a nasty, lecherous old cunt of a man inappropriately touching a few Japanese foreign students. What gets to me to this day is the fact that I was the only one who decided to put myself between the lecturer and the clearly distressed students who couldn’t be happier seeing another Asian face. That’s why whenever white guys play internet hero as opposed to Chinese, I think I just have to barf knowing what many are really like.

        I really do wonder what the whole intention to constantly denigrate Asian males is though, I think it’s just underhanded, insecure competition and strangely enough, many Asian female posters have messaged me how sites like this are intolerable because of the overwhelming number of racist “white men” lurking here.

        • noodles76

          Or maybe it’s in part due to the fact that….we see some men/boys holding hands, carrying purses, dressing like fairies (or the 80′s), carrying a bag of groceries by one handle while their buddy carries the other, being pussy whipped without even getting pussy, being generally unable to have a conversation with a strange woman…..etc. Before you say it,….yes we know it happens in other countries too. For some of foreigners though, the behavior is unusual and frequent enough to lead some to believe many Chinese men (usually young men) are…娘们儿.

          That said, I think you’ll find as many Chinese as foreigners playing internet tough guy in relation to this specific story.

          The ignorant turds who think the only reason this tragedy happened was …
          1) because it was in China and the men all have no balls 2) they weren’t there in person to save the motherf’n day

          and the clowns who think….

          3)if it happened in a western country all white men would have stood there and done nothing because they’re white and have no balls

          …are all laughable and full of ignorance.

        • Germandude

          LOL.You are one pathetic insecure child. Somebody is stating that he would most likely not take any action because of fear of consequences and suggests that most people wouldn’t take action either.

          Then comes you, telling anecdotes of your heroism of saving asian girls from white men, showing how you show courage as the single hero out there. Bullshit that has nothing to do with the topic, and certainly nobody started a race discussion, but why not, right @whuddyasack:disqus?

          You are one amazing troll and a great internet tough guy.

          trollololololololololol…..

          • Lyle

            I dunno,
            Heroics don’t always end well, and I think this guy did the smart thing.
            One time I stood up for a girl who was getting beaten in a bar, told a guy that he was trash.. then I got jumped by 5 or more of his friends with 5 more ready to go if I did have a positive outcome. Which for me, a black/bloody eye wasn’t so positive, but the girl ended up okay. So….
            I would do it again, but all of these people saying they’ll be heroes use the underpants gnomes method in their heads.
            Step 1. (Action)Attack/Help.
            Step 2. ??????
            Step 3. (Outcome)Save the day.

          • ex-expat

            and Lol@Christina Mod for liking the comment.

          • Zappa Frank

            Maybe she is one of the girls that messaged him about how this site is intolerable because whites racists…

          • ex-expat

            lol. This website is a joke. Apparently the mods here are on a mission solely to cast down any comment perceived as even slightly politically incorrect when it comes to Asians or Chinese, though when the shoe is on the other foot, mods are often nowhere to be found, and in this case can even be found supporting the most racist poster on this site.

          • mr.wiener

            Oh really?
            Well don’t let the door hit you in the arse on the way out as you storm off in anger.

          • ex-expat

            Well great for you if you want to defend a fellow mod who supports comments by the biggest troll on this website.

          • mr.wiener

            I thought it was pretty dumb arsed personally. That boy has inner demons he’s struggling with, but I sense a good human being underneath. Sometime we retreat to our line of personal prejudices as a comfort zone.
            If you are going to judge the this site by one vote of one mod….well go right ahead. If you think this character is the biggest troll on here… well you are probably right, I killed all the other ones, I should send you some samples of what the others have to say on the deleted files..but you would probably want to bathe in bleach afterwards.
            I’m bruised, tired and sunburnt after a long day of rugby and catering, and I’m more than a little drunk…feel free to complain about the service we provide, It’s not like we get paid or anything.

          • DavidisDawei

            you do this job without being compensated??

          • mr.wiener

            yup.

          • DavidisDawei

            Why?

          • mr.wiener

            Masochism I think.
            Naah, I think it’s more like every fruit-loop I can keep from posting flame bait makes me sleep better at night [please note, I do not consider ex-expat one of these].

            The shine of a well cleaned toilet….ah bliss.

          • ex-expat

            Thank you for that. And I wasn’t really referring to you with my mod comment, but I didn’t clarify.

          • DavidisDawei

            I’m amazed you have the time since you have a business and a family.
            Do you track how many hours you dedicate to this task?

          • mr.wiener

            Probably a few hours a day, but since I have the computer in my place of business , I’m self employed and have some down time between tasks, it’s not so bad.
            I could always get Kai to double my wages :)

          • Insomnicide

            Most of his comments are trying to tell others to stop being racist against Asians and Chinese. I had no idea trying to stop racism against a group of people is now racist.

          • Wa

            Are you for real?

          • ex-expat

            Um then you either have a reading comprehension problem, a selective memory, or are lying to yourself. Yes, I and the many others who on this thread alone feel the same way are all wrong…

          • Insomnicide

            ” But there’s something else I find disappointing. Instead of finding common ground with everyone else on this article, I’m just appalled that some have turned it into another we against you garbage. They’ve taken this opportunity to bash all “Han Chinese men” again; comparing them to the oh-so-superior western man.”

            Seems you have the reading comprehension problem here. That or you didn’t even read half his posts before making a judgement.

          • Wa

            Comments like this are littered throughout the sack’s posts both here and elsewhere:

            “IMO, I agree with you in abolishing the 14th as Chinese stand above the typical Black, Brown and White Americans anyday, anyway. The civilized (Asians) and the primitive (non-Asians) can never and aren’t supposed to mix.”

            And this is the person you think is trying to stop racism against … anyone?

          • Insomnicide

            Are we going to dig through Whuddysack’s entire comment history just for this one post on this one article?

          • Zappa Frank

            Not just one, whuddysack’s posts the same story and starts the same flame on every articles, regardless of what the topic is about..

          • Insomnicide

            I don’t think that’s quite true. Yes, he does delve into race a lot. And presents his stance very bluntly, but it’s usually only on articles where race comes up as a topic.

            For this article, before the comments were deleted, there were quite a number of posts specifically blaming and insulting Chinese men for things completely unrelated to this incident. Actually, there’s still a few of those posts up.

            And whuddysack’s posts are obviously a response to those comments. In this context, it does make sense. Although ironically, he’s only fueling the flames regarding the racial topic.

          • Zappa Frank

            I do not remember even one of his post where he didn’t say the things he always says.. Even on the article of japancrush about the pop stars, idols, whatever, young girls assaulted he found a way to talk again about his hero for a day experience. About the one of the Chinese killed in New York again, an so on… I really doubt there is a post of him without this flame…

          • Insomnicide

            Really? Like the last article for example? I haven’t actually seen him mention race for a while now until this article and the one on JapanCrush.

          • Zappa Frank

            I do not remember a single post without mentioning race, there can be one or two here and there, still mostly lost in a sea of race race race race

          • ex-expat

            This took about 2 minutes:

            whuddyasack • 8 hours ago

            I think we just need to understand the
            Cauckpanzee. He does have his ooga booga moments haha.

            whuddyasack • 4 days ago

            Sorry, I won’t stoop to the level of
            single, white and angry males like Sodini and Rodger the hapless haha.

            whuddyasack • 10 hours ago

            Aha, but that’s your problem. You see,
            Chinese, being actual humans, don’t go around dragging their knuckles and
            scratching their butts. Keep that in mind, ooga booga. Can you say OWNED? ;-)


            whuddyasack • 9 hours ago

            Alas, POS, you know what you remind me
            of? The giant turd that wants to help his team, but succeeds only in messing
            them up. Because as you know, you’re a pile of feces and anyone is better off
            without you.

            You sound really SWAMMY. FYI, only white
            males shoot schools because “can’t get laid duh”. Cases in point,
            Sodini, Plaskon, Lanza and Rodger. You’re too old to be Rodger but I’m sure you
            can so relate to Sodini hey? Don’t even try to deny it. ;-)

            whuddyasack • 3 days ago

            Nice try, angry hairy Cauckpanzee with
            the huge nose. Insecure much?

            whuddyasack • 4 days ago
            
Actually I was thinking Indianpoop is more fitting.
Or
            Indiasmells, like curry haha


            whuddyasack • 4 days ago

            Actually, Americans are very
            thin-skinned. Of course, I’m talking about White and Black Americans. If you
            observe their media, you’d see trivial slights e.g. Suey Park raise headlines
            and these guys

            whuddyasack • 4 days ago

            I feel that when it comes to China at
            least, bad people from overseas are the “majority”. And by overseas,
            I mean only White and Black thugs, imported garbage and trash even in their own
            countries. Never heard any problems with Japanese, Korean, or other Asian
            expats.

            whuddyasack • 10 days ago

            I have to agree with you about
            Singapore, the Indian drivers are by far the worst. Maybe it’s just me, but I
            find that generally speaking the darker the skin, the blacker the morals.

          • Insomnicide

            Funny. None of those comments appeared on American Virgin Killer reactions or Insensitive Airsoft Enthusiast,

          • ex-expat

            How is that relevant?

          • Insomnicide

            If you’ll scroll up and read my previous post. I said he has not mentioned race in the last few articles on here. Both articles i named are the recent articles which he has not made mention of race.

          • Wa

            Are you suggesting this is unfair? Just how much of it would you like to go through in order to determine whether your characterization of him is accurate? It’s not as though it will take long to find him articulating similar notions.

            Or are you willing to concede the point that he’s not really trying to stop racism?

          • Insomnicide

            I said he’s trying to stop racist comments against Asians, either you can’t read or you’re trying to distort my words.

            Yes, he’s said a lot of similar comments in the past. But his comments on this article are a response to the racially motivated insults and commentary by other posters. Read the context of the situation before making your judgement.

          • Wa

            “I said he’s trying to stop racist comments against Asians, either you can’t read or you’re trying to distort my words.”

            Getting a bit defensive now. He is scoring an own goal by design.

            “Yes, he’s said a lot of similar comments in the past. But his comments on this article are a response to the racially motivated insults and commentary by other posters. Read the context of the situation before making your judgement.”

            Well then, I guess the context just stops right here on this thread. How fortunate for the two of you.

          • whuddyasack

            Perhaps it is just me, but this Wa chap should change his username to waaawaaawaaaa boo hoo.

          • ex-expat

            Um, you said “most” of his comments. And that one comment doesn’t mean a damn thing when taking his other posts into consideration, examples of which are provided by Wa below.

          • Wa

            You can’t act as though Kai hasn’t been up to that for ages, starting when he used to post as anon, but at least he called out whuddyasack recently when the sacker tried unctuously sidling up to him. Perhaps he finally saw whuddy’s history of calling someone a “filthy mulatto” and telling that person to “control [his] inner negro”. Who knows.

          • ex-expat

            Thank you. And if Kai called him out on it, that’s great and I commend him for it. Though it still baffles me how he can write volumes defending mainland Chinese, yet for all the anti-American comments on here, I have never seen him write anything in response.

          • Kai

            You guys have selective memory, if not reading.

            You don’t see 99% of the shit we mods deal with, especially mr.wiener who is a lot more keen to delete comments than I am because I personally subscribe more to the ideal of freedom of speech. The reason I allow the garbage whuddyasack spouts is because I allow the garbage countless other “white” (but not only white) people have spouted throughout my time here as a moderator. Why? Because that’s how Fauna did it and I understand her reasoning for it. The comments on cS prove time and time again how similar netizen comments are around the world, in all their mean-spiritedness, irrationality, and prejudices.

            Have you guys ever seriously considered how Fauna and the other ethinic Chinese or Chinese nationals who voluntarily contribute to this site feel about the reliable stream of unfair to downright bigoted crap that is posted here? When they are open-minded enough to regularly and accurately translate both articles and Chinese netizen comments that they are not stupid enough to not realize makes China look bad in the eyes of readers who are predisposed to generalize? Because they subscribe to the ideal that all of this ultimately helps people better understand each other and shows how similar we, as people, all are wherever we are from?

            I ask this because I don’t get the feeling you guys are fairly judging the context within which we operate here. I don’t blame you guys for noticing and remembering more vividly garbage spewed targeting identities you guys associate with, but don’t you think you guys are not giving enough acknowledgement of how bad it is the other way?

            People at times do take their comments too far, but this website plays a part in creating that.

            If you can blame this website for “causing” people to take their comments too far, can you blame other commenters for “causing” whuddyasack to take his comments too far?

            Everything has a cause and effect. I’ve repeatedly and very publicly criticized, even indulged in flaming, whuddyasack ever since he began posting on this site. I’ve even banned him when he violated our comment policy. As someone who has been a regular commenter since at least mid-2012, I’m not sure why you don’t notice or remember any of these instances.

            Specific to whuddyasack, I initially made the mistake of assuming he was seeking fairness for Chinese people against unfair criticisms and judgements. Unfortunately, he has repeatedly made it clear to me both in private emails and in public comments that he isn’t interested in that. He believes he’s somehow teaching other Chinese people who have grievances with “white people” being bigoted against them “how to respond”. In other words, he subscribes to fighting fire with fire.

            So do a lot of “white people” who comment on cS. They see an anti-foreigner comment filled with petty immature stereotypes and prejudices, they respond with an anti-Chinese one filled with the same. If I’m to allow one, how can I disallow the same behavior just because it has a diffferent target without being biased and hypocritical? You’ve interacted with commenters like Probotector and Riddler, yet you don’t remember them? How about Asian Male Insecurity? Anyone remember Robert Rou?

            There’s nothing unusual about you being particularly sensitive to “anti-American” comments as an American yourself. However, that doesn’t make your representation about the pervasiveness of anti-Chinese vs. anti-whatever comments on cS or the consistency and fairness of our moderation accurate, much less fair.

            None of you know how often we get emails accusing us of protecting anti-Chinese racists in the comments by not deleting or banning them, that we’re somehow traitors to our own. Now that you do, please try to avoid completely unfair and presumptive comments like this.

            Next, your impression of me “writing volumes defending mainland Chinese” is also not unexpected, but if you can understand why people are predisposed to often unfairly criticizing the Chinese on this site, then surely ou can understand the predisposition for other people to defend the Chinese on this site. This site is obviously about China and the Chinese, so is it really strange for many of my comments to defend them when I think criticisms have gone too far? When there are far more criticisms and critics than there are defenders or even people begging for reason and fairness? Would you prefer that I just delete them as racist and bigoted?

            Finally, in defense of @x3snickerdoodles:disqus whom I don’t currently see as someone who upvoted whuddyasack’s comment (but it’s possible she subsequently unvoted – EDIT: I see it now.), I doubt she’s expressing support of his racist comments given her past comments. Before making anyone a moderator, we evaluate their comment history and most certainly would not make a racist person a moderator. I think there may have been a misunderstanding involved here.

            Overall, I can understand your impression of me, but I don’t think it is fair, and I think my comment history shows that I do my best to be fair, rational, and reasonable.

          • Zappa Frank

            the upvote of Christina is still there. I still see it.
            About whuddy, it’s not that he fight fire with fire and reply unfair with unfair (that is already not ok because involve everyone and turn all in a big flame), but he often starts to flame even when uncalled…

          • Kai

            I just edited my comment to say I now see it. Disqus glitches at times. It happens.

          • ex-expat

            I am willing to consider Christina’s up vote as a misunderstanding (granted an explanation), though I hope you can understand my frustration after seeing her call out numerous people for anti-Asian and anti-Chinese comments to then go and up-vote that asshole.

            I am not disputing that there are many inflammatory remarks towards Asians and Chinese on this site, as there certainly are.

            I have no issue with you defending Chinese. And if you are saying that your comments are disproportionately skewed towards defending them to balance the scales I don’t necessarily agree with the logic, but I understand. What I don’t understand is how I have never seen you once do the same for Americans (you are American, right?). If you can prove me wrong, I will be happy to admit it, but if not, why is that?

          • Kai

            I will let christina more specifically defend her vote. All I want to say in defense of her is that her past comments never gave me the impression that she was racist or obviously prejudiced. She has had comments critical of Chinese as well.

            http://disqus.com/x3snickerdoodles/

            I’m not disproportionately skewing my comments towards defending Chinese “to balance the scales”; I’m contributing what I can meaningfully to the discussion. I beg people to consider the larger picture, to consider contexts, to break out of their prejudices and biases, almost invariably against people whose comments are arguably unfair. I also regularly upvote solid, rational, and fair criticisms of the Chinese, which is less obvious if you don’t mouseover the votes for all the comments.

            I think of whuddyasack’s behavior on this site as someone who thinks he is “balancing the scales”. He feels there’s so much shit thrown at Chinese people that he wants to throw shit back. I don’t think I do this. What he does perpetuates a cycle of hate. I try my best to defuse people’s half-baked justifications for their hate. I try to appeal to people’s rationality and sense of empathy, to look at things from a different perspective.

            However, I won’t deny that I think “the Chinese side” is the underdog in the comments section on cS. It’s just that I don’t think my objections or arguments with others means I am fighting for “the Chinese side”. I believe I’m fighting for the side of rationality and fairness. Do you understand what I mean?

            I don’t respond to every anti-Chinese comment just as I don’t respond to every anti-American comment. I can’t see everything nor do I have the time or energy to respond to it all. However, I have responded to both and others which people can evaluate in my comment history. I think there is no evidence to demonstrate that I am either biased towards Chinese or biased against, I dunno, “white people”? “Foreigners”? Non-Chinese? I think people who feel that way about me choose to because they’re irked by me bothering to challenge judgemental notions unfair to the Chinese that they might not immediately challenge themselves or are predisposed to nodding their heads to without really thinking about the fairness of them.

            Do you remember this exchange between you and me?

            How about this response of mine to someone who totally irrelevantly and unfairly interpreted a discussion as foreigners complaining about how Chinese people run their own country?

            How about me defending Germandude?

            You’ve never seen me do the same for Americans? How about this instance where I related me asking Chinese people how they would feel if American children were applauding terrorism in China to make them rethink Chinese schoolchildren applauding 9/11? Or me downvoting conspiracy theorists about 9/11 being a false-flag operation? Or…

            I think you chafe about anti-American sentiments with an unreasonable consideration for the context of this website and its discussion environment. Do you think there are more anti-American comments than anti-Chinese comments on here? Do you think there are less defenders and defense for America than there are for China?

            If you’re critical of me specifically, have you considered that perhaps I see more opportunities for me to contribute something meaningful to a discussion in response to unfairness against Chinese than I do to a discussion in response to unfairness against Americans? If there are already good rebuttals and objections to anti-American comments, should I devote my time to saying the same thing that has already been said by others or should I instead invest my time in saying things that haven’t been said in fairness to the Chinese?

            Maybe you can also link us to all the incidents of anti-American comments on cS going unanswered or us mods demonstrating some sort of bias against defending comments critical of America.

          • Wa

            Kai, your response was to ex-expat but you address “you guys” repeatedly. Does that mean you’ll welcome my response to your comments? And if you do, are the small number of links below the best evidence you have for your even-handedness before we begin our discussion? I’d appreciate if you could put up the strongest evidence first so that I might have the opportunity to evaluate it fairly.

          • mr.wiener

            You ought to show them some of the e-mail Robert Rou sent to you about me, they were friggin’ hilarious!
            That said I think the amount of flack I’ve received from some Asian *cough* nationalists calling me a racist [and the odd white one calling me a race traitor] are mirrored in your own case. [Western comentators accusing you of bias and Asians accusing you of being a house slave].
            What does this show me? I think it shows that we are doing our jobs in the fairest way possible, Sometimes being a mod is a bucket of spit to drink, I always compare it to cleaning the toilets….It’s a dirty job, but someone’s got to do it.
            To all you yahoos out there….. Kai, Christine and myself are the good, the bad and the ugly.
            And only I’m allowed to call Kai ugly.

            @ex_expat:disqus @wa @zappafrank et al.
            I’m not saying Christine can’t upvote any damned way she chooses, but I often click on an upvote just to see who has upvoted it before me [it is faster than hovering over the upvote arrow] I will then negate this with a second click. Has the possibility of her forgetting the second click not entered your heads? Even so if you want to make this your bone of contention, go right ahead.

          • ex-expat

            From an earlier post:

            “I am willing to consider Christina’s up vote as a misunderstanding (granted an explanation), though I hope you can understand my frustration after seeing her call out numerous people for anti-Asian and anti-Chinese comments to then go and up-vote that asshole.”

          • Kai

            It’s really tempting to share the hate mail we get. On one hand, it might get us a bit more respect (or at least sympathy) from some of our critics. On the other hand, some of our critics aren’t actually interested in being reasonable. Plus, we could be inviting reprisals from the people sending us hate mail. There is no reasoning with some people. It’s the same idea as not feeding trolls by not responding to them.

            This once, I’ll share one recent piece of anonymous hate mail:

            Yo ‘Fauna’ or whoever else!
            Why r u and/or your writer/s so dumb?!

            There’s no such language called ‘Chinese’, just like there’s no such language called ‘Indian’!!!

            It’s called MANDARIN or PUTONGHUA !!!

            There are Sinitic/’Chinese’ languages such as CANTONESE , HAKKA , TEOCHEW … etc!

            And you call yourself ethnically Han Chinese AND also a China-born and bred Chinese national/mainlander/mainland Chinese?!

            My native languages are Hakka and Cantonese ONLY !!!

            So don’t give the wrong, stupid, misleading impression that there is only one indigenous spoken language our Central Kingdom [P.R.C. incase ur too dumb to figure out!].

            It’s retarted idiots like you that give Caucasians (‘whites’), Africans (‘blacks’) etc that think all East Asians are Mando-speaking Chinese nationals/mainlanders!

            Imma ethnically non-Mandarin/Cantonese-speaking western-born Han Chinese but NEVER been a Chinese national!!! And we r sick, furious, annoyed of constantly getting the random ‘Ni hao’ by moronic strangers, racists, classmates, salespeople etc!!!

            Also hate the fact that non-Chinese morons think all East Asians [Koreans, Japanese, Hong Kongers, BBCs ... etc] r all China-born/bred Chinese nationals and think all ethnically Chinese ppl only speak the same native language/mother-tongue regardless of our many REGIONAL LANGUAGES!!!

            Plenty of British Caucasians are racist, prejudice, stereotyping towards E.Asians [especially Han Chinese whoever their native language and nationality!] source:www.dailymail.co.uk . Plenty of overt/subtle discrimination towards ethnic Chinese of all nationalities from many readers and even moderators and writers!!!

            So please stop your pathetic, humiliating, embarrassing western/’white’ worshipping and self-hate!!!

            Yours disgustedly,

            Laughing Gor

          • Wa

            @kaipan:disqus Yes, you guys, please show us more hate mail from angry overseas Chinese. Because the best way to prove you are even-handed is to show that insane people like Robert Rou are still shouting at you.

            “That said I think the amount of flack I’ve received from some Asian *cough* nationalists calling me a racist [and the odd white one calling me a race traitor] are mirrored in your own case. [Western comentators accusing you of bias and Asians accusing you of being a house slave].”

            It doesn’t sound like it is mirrored, mr. wiener, at least not in the sense of being an opposed reflection. It actually sounds like you recognize a quantitative difference in the “amount of flack from Asian *cough* nationalists” and the “odd white one”. Kai too notes “how often we get emails accusing us of protecting anti-Chinese racists in the comments by not deleting or banning them, that we’re somehow traitors to our own.” Now, I realize Kai was alluding to this to make a point, but the inclusion of the phrase “traitors to our own” certainly puts the validity of that point into question.

            I recognize that you guys have a difficult job to do. I would not have stated what I did if I did not think I cite frequent instances of Kai acting overly aggressive in his claims of bias and show how they the shadow the spurious sensitivities of other overseas Chinese who frequent this site. If you think that’s calling Kai ugly, then that’s your take on the matter. No one is calling Kai a racist, and I was the first to note the distance he eventually put between himself and whuddyasack. A distance you have not, I might add.

            “I’m not saying Christine can’t upvote any damned way she chooses, but I often click on an upvote just to see who has upvoted it before me [it is faster than hovering over the upvote arrow] I will then negate this with a second click. Has the possibility of her forgetting the second click not entered your heads? Even so if you want to make this your bone of contention, go right ahead.”

            When you put your arm around a walking miasma like whuddyasack and proclaim “AMEN BROTHER”, even when he professes a momentary and surely duplicitous tolerance and understanding he otherwise eradicates with his comments (“control your inner negro”), you open yourself to scrutiny when you support a racially charged diatribe. That said, I have made no further comments about Christina. She’s had ample time to chime in if she wants to.

            This is a conversation. A conversation sure to become tense, and perhaps it already is, but it doesn’t speak well of you that you’d simply reject these claims out of hand.

          • whuddyasack

            Have you guys ever seriously considered how Fauna and the other ethinic
            Chinese or Chinese nationals who voluntarily contribute to this site
            feel about the reliable stream of unfair to downright bigoted crap that
            is posted here?

            Obviously they’ve never once considered that Chinese are real people with feelings. How else would you explain the borderline absurd comments justifying and blaming Chinese civilians for being killed in i) Japan, ii)Indonesia and iii) Vietnam? How do you explain the obvious celebrations and gloating some here have whenever the terrorists or “freedom fighters” strike? Do you remember the outrage when one or two negative comments were made about 9/11 or the Boston Bombing? Inspite of how “racist” I’m supposed to be, I don’t feel any joy whenever civilians are killed in the US. Yes, “anti-American” whuddy actually feels sympathy to the victims and families involved. That’s above and beyond what the other two (or maybe one) users who were banned with me have shown, one of who continues to harass other members and be an all-round creep. Why he isn’t in wizardchan nursing his wounds with the like-minded is beyond me. I’ve purposely avoided interacting with him on CSmack because I remember telling Wiener I’d try my best to ignore him here, and interacting with him would violate the site’s policy. Everyone would take the opportunity to jump on me.

            All my recent “racist” comments were from the shanghaiist, an FFA site with little moderation and a HELL LOT of trolls. They weren’t made here and half of them were directed at POS. Yet people fail to mention that this psycho loser has repeatedly spread rumors about me there and stooped so low as to attack my mother and ancestry. Although it really is funny that even then, the loser can’t even muster the ability to upset me in any tangible way or form a logical argument without the use of cuss words. But there’s something genuinely disturbing about this person, almost criminal.

            The idea of Chinasmack is novel, but in reality it’s a lost cause because people are just going to criticize you for being Chinese. Even if I’m here no more you’re still going to face backlash and accusations of siding with your ethnic group. That’s the way it is with these people. That’s the way it is for a Chinese. We soldier on.

            can you blame other commenters for “causing” whuddyasack to take his comments too far?

            They can’t and won’t. Rule of the hive. You don’t whack your own colony. BTW, I remember Robert Rou, I thought he was an intelligent poster although we did have our disagreements. He was indignant that the British Empire was the most evil in the world and that Brits had to pay for the sins of the father. I disagreed because it’s all in the past and because that’s how I was made to feel before I was banned.

            I remember Asian Male Insecurity and how the latter was prancing around with his phony “putonghua fluency”. NOT a single white person save wiener criticized him for it. To his credit, he did coin the term “tribal”, and used it on you. Do you remember? The irony of course is that he was projecting. His own people seem the most tribal now, whenever a lone Chinese makes a comment that they even slightly disagree with, they jump like flies onto poop. Does he still post here under a certain username?

            I initially made the mistake of assuming he was
            seeking fairness for Chinese people against unfair criticisms and
            judgements.

            No, this assumption is correct. I stated that the anti-Chinese bandwagon never really offended me personally because they just aren’t good enough. However, I always hated the way they’d abuse a Chinese of choice, jumping on him/her 10 vs 1. I watched how many Chinese from English speaking backgrounds were flogged online, strawmanned and misrepresented by a 20 man++ militant group. Even normally polite Chinese would be driven to frustration or bullied till forever with no means to defend themselves. Those with limited English literacy? Forget it, they wouldn’t survive and any point they make however relevant would be made fun of without being read. My intention is probably the same as yours. I just want this place to be an attractive and healthy environment for Chinese users since it’s one of the few places on the internet where moderation tries to be fair. I’ve stated this before but I’m always concerned about the younger ones, those more impressionable than me.

            Here’s where we differ. I’m just not interested in “converting the China bashers” and reasoning with them through appealing to them. I see how rudely virtually all of them react even when you speak to them politely. Fire with fire? Maybe, but for some people (and most C-bashers) a whip works best. My style isn’t really my own. There were others before me, obviously more articulate and more assertive than myself. I remember seeing that people were less likely to pick on them online.

            As for fairness, rationality and reason that’s what you embody.

        • Zappa Frank

          Wow that experience make a par with a murder… Really, why every single post of yours have to be whites vs yellows?

          • whuddyasack

            Because it’s very hard to find common ground when the majority here keep emphasizing a we vs you approach on everything. Most here seem comfortable to keep discussing old, debunked stereotypes. We often see topics sidetracked into China vs Japan nonsense, or people bring up Mao/Tibet/Xinjiang/Imperialist China (/rolleyes). And it’s NOT about disagreeing with the Chinese government. Insults thrown at Chinese as a people aren’t rare. “Chinese are filthy disgusting subhuman”, “C-guys are weak, undesirable and cowardly”, “C-girls are cheap, materialistic and that nasty S word”. Actually if you noticed offensive language directed constantly at all Chinese, male and female here do you honestly think none of them would complain? No, actually most are put off by such attitudes. That’s what I’m trying to tell you.

            If you ever do want to come to Canada, I can take you to the site myself but that’s beside the point. The point is that I’ve seen inaction first hand and know what it means to be the only person to act.That’s why all this talk of heroics and doing something just makes me laugh. It’s really convenient that when help is really needed, these internet heroes are NEVER there but boy, can they tell stories of frequently single handedly handling dozens of assailants lol. Here’s the difference, in my case all that is real. I really don’t care if some random white guys believe it or not, while choosing to believe in completely fictitious stories of fellow white men turning Rambo. All it does is justify my “confirmation biases”.

            Let me ask you a question? When Kim Pham was murdered, where were the heroic whites? Where were the heroes when Parsons and Pott were being raped?

          • Zappa Frank

            I don’t even know who was kim pham or the others to begin with. And even less I care about a supposed hero yellow man, just notice that you put on again the racial thing, even here, like in every single of your posts. Words used against Chinese males, if are like you say (but personally never read anything like that) are a job for moderators, not for the keyboard hero justice member whuddy.. you are exactly like them from my point of view, but here on Chinasmack apparently racism can be just one side only..

          • Rick in China

            I think you’re fighting a losing battle Frank. The epitome of hypocrisy. He goes on saying how everyone here is racist against poor Chinese, as an excuse as to why he is racist against whites in almost every one of his posts. He goes on about his heroics and how badass he is single handedly rescuing the poor Chinese damsels in distress left and right, then rants off against all the “internet tough guys” with their “internet stories”. What do you really expect to gain with this type of self-deluded loser?

          • Kai

            Do you seriously think chinaSMACK only allows one-sided racism? This is surprising coming from you, Zappa. Do you really not see all the other comments with racism directed at the Chinese and other races/ethnicities?

          • Zappa Frank

            I see, but I also see a condemn by other white people, while I rarely see the same when is about Asian supremacy. Find me out how many Asian people did condemn any of whuddy’s stuff or of other people who said similar things.. we had even someone who supported mei mei (like whuddy and other) when she/he was trolling wildly.. till now I never thought this was a problem of moderators, but of course the upvote of Christina makes me wonder about it.

          • Kai

            Maybe you can find me some Asian supremacy comments for us to review? I’m astounded that you think Asian commenters on this site don’t condemn racism when it is by Asians. I’m Asian, I’ve condemned stuff whuddyasack and Robert Rou have said. So has Fauna and other ethnic Asian contributors. Is it because we can’t see downvotes anymore? Or do you think you’re just not remembering such instances?

          • ex-expat

            But you admitted not with the same frequency, so of course it is going to appear that way.

          • Kai

            Uh, what? I think I’ve taken whuddyasack to task about as many times as I took to task other “anti-Chinese” commenters. It’s just that there are many times more “anti-Chinese” commenters on cS than people like whuddyasack. There are tons of “anti-Chinese” commenters and comments who have never heard a peep from me either because I simply can’t call them on their bullshit every single time.

            I can’t recall you ever condemning bigotry and racism against Chinese people in your history of commenting on cS. Am I supposed to argue you appear to be an anti-Chinese bigot? That’s not quite fair, is it? So why do that to me?

            I’ve regularly expressed criticism, consternation, and even demoralization by some of the retarded Chinese netizen comments translated. I think you tend to forget these because they align with your views, just like how people will vividly remember a Chinese person who stops to text message at the top of an escalator but not those who walked off to a side to do so in order not to block everyone behind them.

            If any of my past comments for or against anyone are unfair, please cite them and argue your case. Just as it is unfair for me to suggest you are biased because I don’t recall you actively condemning bigotry and prejudice on cS, it is unfair for you to suggest I am biased because you can’t remember when I’ve defended America on a site where most discussions are centered around China.

          • ex-expat

            I never said you were anti-anything, and never meant to insinuate it. What I meant was that if a number of comments are skewed towards a certain group, it is going to appear that you sympathize with that group more.

            Like I said in an earlier post, I commend you for saying something to whuddyasack on different occasions, and I agree that the anti-China posts outnumber the pro-China posts. However, I am not the only one who has felt that your comments have exhibited bias. You may not agree with it, but if multiple people express similar views perhaps it’s worth taking a look at?

            I am not looking for mods to defend America more. 树大招风 – it comes with the territory. I brought up the point with you because it would be very disappointing to see someone identify with and support mainland China more than their own country. You have indicated that it is not the case, and your word is good enough for me.

          • Kai

            I DO sympathize with mainland Chinese more, but it is in the context of the discussion on this website. The number of people unfairly criticizing or “bashing” mainland Chinese on this site grossly outnumber those defending or begging reason on behalf of the mainland Chinese, the vast majority of whom lack the English language skills to effectively communicate their thoughts and arguments in this English-language “forum”.

            The discussion on this site quite naturally skews towards being critical and judgemental of the mainland Chinese. It’s the nature of a site where the content can often be interpreted as reflecting negatively on the mainland Chinese. The “Chinese side” is the underdog. It gets beat about the head day-in day-out, and consistently unfairly at that. Often, there is only a handful–if that–of people who speak up on behalf of the mainland Chinese, begging reason and fairness, against multitudes of people echoing tired choruses of often petty prejudices and mean-spirited stereotypes, who think that their views are indisputable truth just because others upvoted them.

            Now imagine a Chinese-language forum that discusses foreigners or, in your case, Americans. The vast majority of participants are Chinese who often espouse critical and judgemental views about Americans, many of which are consistently unfair, petty prejudices, or mean-spirited stereotypes. You might want to think I’d happily join them, nodding my head in ignorant agreement, but you’d be wrong. I’d be the guy who is doing the exact same thing here except in defense of Americans, because I’d sympathize with the underdog in THAT context.

            I don’t see things as being on the “Chinese side” or the “non-Chinese side”. What matters to me is what is fair, reasonable, and defensible. I understand some people are predisposed to thinking that I must be “on the Chinese side” just because I argue against what I consider unfair criticisms of the mainland Chinese. But why can’t I just be “against unfair criticisms”?

            If people like you shouldn’t be accused of being biased against the Chinese (or towards non-Chinese) just because you don’t have a history of calling out others for their unfair criticisms or even bigotry against the Chinese, then I shouldn’t be accused of being biased against non-Chinese (or towards the Chinese) just because I don’t call out others for their unfair criticisms of non-Chinese (or Americans) as much as I do for criticisms of Chinese on this specific site. There shouldn’t be a double-standard.

            Are you following me?

            Next, just because multiple people think I’m biased doesn’t mean I am biased. It is entirely possible, even probable, that their own bias predisposes them to presume bias on my part because that’s the easiest way for them to dismiss my disagreement with them. This is most obvious when people simply accuse me of bias instead of actually discussing the points I’m making in disagreement. They come after my identity, my person, instead of discussing the validity of arguments and evidence. It’s a fallacy.

            Not every person on cS is like this. There are plenty of people who try to discuss and debate in good faith. There are even more people who try to do so but maybe inconsistently. But then there are a whole lot more people who simply find it easier to just think I’m biased towards the Chinese and biased against whatever nationality or race they are. That’s just laziness and self-inflicted ignorance on their part.

            Not only does sympathizing with the underdog on cS NOT mean I am biased, it also doesn’t mean I am unfair to non-Chinese (expats, foreigners, Americans, whatever).

            For example, you have a comment history of taking issue with what you perceive to be anti-American comments on cS. You don’t have a history of taking issue with anti-other people comments on cS. Does that mean you are biased towards Americans and against everyone you don’t defend nearly as much if at all?

            Think about the logic and principles you are judging me “biased” for. Can’t the same logic and principles be applied to you? To everyone else? Are the conclusions drawn valid? Fair?

            This is not as simple as me having a history of comments upholding mainland Chinese as superior, as if their shit don’t stink, while simultaneously talking shit about Americans or others, villifying and demonizing them at every turn. It’s not like I have a history of always praising the Chinese and bashing any other nationality or race.

            All you have is me expending more effort defending mainland Chinese than I do for non-Chinese ON THIS SITE. The context of this site, that I discussed above, should make it easy to understand why there is this disparity with my commenting behavior, and that the disparity is entirely reasonable. Just because I’m often defending the Lakers against a larger group of Celtics fans doesn’t necessarily mean I’m anti-Celtics, right?

            I defend the United States against unfair Chinese criticisms ALL THE DAMN TIME in China, but much less on this site because unfair Chinese criticisms of the US are much fewer here. People’s behavior changes with context and environment. Everyone is like this, not just me.

            Yes, 树大招风. I’ve said the very same thing to help people grapple with why the US gets so much scrutiny by foreigners. I’ve said the very same thing to Chinese who chafe at foreign scrutiny, that the scrutiny actually means China is important and relevant to them, and that says something about China’s changing place in the world.

            Finally, I don’t agree with being disappointed by someone identifying with and supporting something or another more than their own country. To me, that’s bordering on nationalism, which I find just as obnoxious in many mainland Chinese as I do in any other nationality. People need to stop with this “us vs. them” mentality. I don’t identify with and support mainland China more than the United States. I identify with and support humanity more than I do my nationality, race, culture, gender, IDENTITY. I try my damn best to not let my identity (my bag of associations) override what I think is logical, fair, and reasonable.

            Defending the underdog doesn’t mean I hate the top dog; it just means I see that one side is disadvantaged and could use help when I think it is appropriate in the interest of fairness. Likewise, defending a white person against the unfair attacks of black people doesn’t mean I hate black people. Would it be fair for those black people to accuse me of being biased towards white people solely because of my defense of the white person, absent any valid criticism of the content of my defense? Am I biased because multiple black people express similar views about me? Or is it possible that they’re biased?

            I’ve articulated myself at length here. I hope you can put yourself in my shoes and reconsider just what legitimate basis (that takes into account the context of this site) you and others actually have for thinking me biased.

          • donscarletti

            ‘The number of people unfairly criticizing or “bashing” mainland Chinese on this site grossly outnumber those defending or begging reason on behalf of the mainland Chinese’

            You could replace “this site” with “the Internet” and “mainland Chinese” with absolutely anything and you’d still be correct.

          • Kai

            Hah, yeah, people are negative fuckers. Still, you get my point addressing his claims against me.

          • whuddyasack

            This was very well written and you explained yourself well. My experience with you is that you live up to your words and own up to your own mistakes when you feel you made a misinformed comment. It takes a lot of effort here to not only make a retraction but an apology which you’ve done.

            I’m glad to see that you’ve addressed yourself in great detail and carried a very good argument. It really was well done, not offensive but also not pandering to the mob.

            The number of people unfairly criticizing or “bashing” mainland Chinese on this site grossly outnumber those defending or begging reason on behalf of the mainland Chinese, the vast majority of whom lack the English language skills to effectively communicate their thoughts and arguments in this English-language “forum”.

            This cannot be said enough, and sometimes the bashers make it seem like they are the ones on the moral high ground. That this site is full of racist Chinese when in reality, the opposite is true. Plenty of native Chinese speakers and those who have English as a foreign language really don’t stand much of a chance, especially when their English is picked on instead of their points.

            The discussion on this site quite naturally skews towards being critical and judgemental of the mainland Chinese. It’s the nature of a site where the content can often be interpreted as reflecting negatively on the mainland Chinese. The “Chinese side” is the underdog. It gets beat about the head day-in day-out, and consistently unfairly at that. Often, there is only a
            handful–if that–of people who speak up on behalf of the mainland Chinese, begging reason and fairness, against multitudes of people echoing tired choruses of often petty prejudices and mean-spirited stereotypes, who think that their views are indisputable truth just
            because others upvoted them.

            This can’t be said often enough. Much better said than I would’ve put it and it’s good that you’ve not only addressed the “Mainland underdog” or the hive’s “favorite target”, you took time to address the prejudices and stereotypes that litter this place, unabashedly and almost always unchallenged. If we were to judge with upvotes, we’d find that there’s no easier way of gaining respect than by bashing Chinese, but you’d also have to be a non-Chinese. Chinese posters who regularly criticize Chinese would never receive the same number of pats on the back as a white person who gets free upvotes with minimal effort, some comments so trite, primal and cliche you wonder how the supporters can think this is an “original, brilliant, eye opening quote”. Ganging up on the odd Chinese is not condemned here. It is applauded.

            In reality, among the non-Asian regulars here, voices of reason and fairness can be counted on the fingertips. 2 consistent voices of reason, 5 who occasionally speak out, 2 Chinese defenders that have bypassed the racial/nationality barrier and that one special person who gives good advice. You’d have to hold your breath when it comes to everyone else and hope that they’re forum jesters. Now that it’s been said so well, there’s nothing left for me to say except that it would be nice if more people came to see things this way.

          • ex-expat

            “I DO sympathize with mainland Chinese more, but it is in the context of the discussion on this website.”

            This is confirms what I think some people have been saying, and I think if you were to write this from the beginning, the exchange would have ended sooner. People don’t know you outside of this website, so they can’t know how you are in other situations. But you have explained your side, and that is fine.

            When I say supporting another country, what I mean is in a geo-political context. I consider the CCP to be the single biggest threat to the world at this point in time. They would like nothing more than to see the West fall. If a Westerner supported them over their own government, that is not something I can respect.

            To me, there is a huge difference between despising the CCP and not respecting someone who supports and sympathizes with them, and rejoicing when civilians die as a result of natural disasters or terrorist attacks. You may see things strictly in terms of humanity, which is fine, but politics does play a large part in the world.

          • Zappa Frank

            You are right, I’m exaggerating…

          • Zappa Frank

            I’ve exaggerated but I would like also point out the for every whites racist comment there is a Matt or German or Scottloar that even quarreled with me because I called what happen in people’s square a market.. To whuddy I rarely see a reply, on contrary there is even a mod that upped his racist comment, what should I think.?
            About the Asian supremacy even today again there was a “white pure something” in the topic of education that claimed about the how the asian race score better in school due to genes .. Nothing that should involve mods, but still is racism..
            I even remember I’ve been attacked by afroamerican while I was arguing with another guy about Africans that for someone are inclined to riot, he didn’t understand anything and I was randomly guilty because white.. Seems sometime to be guilty just for that…and grouped in the same “white” circle

          • Kai

            Do you remember that I defended you in your argument with Scott?

            http://www.chinasmack.com/2014/videos/chinese-dating-site-tv-ad-promotes-being-forced-into-marriage.html#comment-1237969784

            I don’t have an impression of you quarrelling with Matt or Germandude. My impression of you is that you’ve at times written comments that sound objectionable to me but have also written comments that make me think you’re really quite fair and rational. Also, the fact that English isn’t your first language always makes me give you the benefit of the doubt.

            Look at my other comments to ex-expat where I’ve linked to multiple comments I’ve made in response to whuddyasack.

            I have an impression about a discussion about Asians scoring better than whites in the post you are referring to but I don’t think the guy actually went as far as saying it is because of genes. I think he was openly wondering if anyone would make such an argument.

            Here’s the comment I think you’re referring to.

            I believe you misunderstood little white panties (also, just because someone has Chinese characters in their username doesn’t mean they’re actually Chinese). See this comment where the misunderstanding became apparent. Little white panties didn’t say the differences was in genes. He was just arguing that the school/education system is not the only reason why Asians seem to do better on such tests. I think you need to re-evaluate what he said and whether or not he’s actually making some “Asian supremacy” thing as you think he is. I think you’ve grossly misunderstood his point as racism.

            BTW, you can’t just throw white people into an Asian education system and expect them to have similar test performance as Asian students in that same system. Schools and teachers aren’t the only influence on performance just as genes aren’t either. There are also the peers your surround yourself with, the mentality and pressures your parents put on you, and the expectations society puts on you based on how they perceive you.

            I do have an impression of you having had a few arguments with people because of miscommunications resulting from language barrier. I don’t think they were because you are guilty just because you are white but you can link me to those instances you refer to and I can evaluate them.

          • Zappa Frank

            No about Matt and German I took them as example of whites that contain and rebuke racist comments against Asians made by other whites, the example of Scott was just to say that sometimes some went so far that even a misunderstanding become a reason to argue. I didn’t mean I’ve quarreled with them, just took theme as good examples.
            About the one of white pantry my impression was that although he didn’t say he is intentions was to mean that Asians score better because of genes. Anyway I may have been wrong.. About the other thing it was in the articles about riots where someone were saying blacks are inclined to riot and I replied that even Chinese have rioted while abroad. I don’t know how to link it, but anyway is not important really. I guess you are right and I may see to much because of some misunderstanding.

          • Kai

            To link a comment, right click the timestamp of the comment (the gray text next to a name like “18 minutes ago”) and copy link.

            I remember the black people rioting discussion. I made a comment in that too. I think it started of with people misunderstanding someone as well.

          • Kai

            Also, remember what us mods did about mei mei?

          • Zappa Frank

            As said till that up vote I’ve never doubt about mods.

          • Kai

            Cool, we love you too.

          • whuddyasack

            Words used against Chinese males, if are like you say (but personally never read anything like that)

            It’s not just Chinese males, it’s Chinese females as well. Frankly my Frank, you’re being dishonest here. Or maybe you turn a blind eye whenever the people bashed are Chinese like everyone else. I think you’ve read enough of those China-bashing comments, enough to suggest that Germandude, Scottloar or Matt (who’s part Asian) have defended Asians in many instances. Yeah right, I’ve spent far more effort defending Filipinos, Vietnamese, Malays, Tibetans, Japanese and Koreans from Chinese racists. I even tried to reason with Chinese who had genuine grievances with Filipinos and Vietnamese because their fellow citizens actually were killed in riots. Did you think that was an easy feat? It was painfully difficult and I risked getting abused by both the very people I defended and reasoned with. Self-criticism is never easy my friend, especially when you’re surrounded by mobs who jump at the opportunity to bash your race while never criticizing their “own tribe”. Which is why I brought up Kim Pham.

            I reread the comment Christina upvoted, the supposed cause of the outrage and it was not racist. Am I not allowed to post my own grievances? Are some mods not allowed to do the same? Of course not, because we’re Chinese right?

            Yet it has always been fellow Chinese/Asian posters who were my biggest critics, not one supports me and also the ones who understand me best. And I say the things I say because it irks me that so many Chinese speak so calmly and reasonably here only to be strawmanned, viciously abused and have their words twisted to make a point.

            You are right, racism is a one way street not just here, but all over the world. Just being born into the world Chinese makes us racist, and thereby justifies racism against us and only us.

            Anyone bad = Chinese. There is no one else who has to go through what a Chinese goes through. Now I know that terrorism and violent riots serve as justice for “oppressed” people in this world. Yes, the Chinese, even those having nothing to do with China are at fault for being killed and deserve every minute of it.

          • Zappa Frank

            waht now you are playing the victimization card? really i think is a dissociative to see and to blame in other the same sins you do daily.
            You defended vietnamese and so on, you know why? because they are asians. You are in now way even close to Matt, German or Scottloar…. in while you were flaming here (like you do even now) against whites..for no apparently reasons if not simply revange on someone that has been isolated by mods and other blog’s users

          • whuddyasack

            I don’t speak propaganda, I speak facts. Forget about the Asian aspect of the Vietnamese. Put it this way, the Vietnamese are actually killing innocent Chinese workers. Are Chinese killing Caucasians, blacks, Indians, Middle Easterners? The real test is this, if the topic was about a bunch of Muslims rioting and killing whites, how many whites would stand up against the racists?

            Frank, I’m not motivated by revenge. I just want an intellectually and emotionally healthier online environment for other Chinese posters, one that actually fosters good discussion. Here we have an environment where ethnic Chinese users are being pushed to their wits end. I’ve always had a concern for the younger ones, especially those younger than me because these are the most impressionable. I can relate because when I started posting on forums and blogs as a teenager, I made the mistake of revealing my age. People would pick on me to no end as “that 13 year old kid”. I dealt with Chinese after Chinese leaving or refusing to post because they couldn’t take the rampant racism here. I even tried to appeal to the more assertive ones to join, but even they considered CSmack a cesspool of “unrefined hairy-nosed habilis” (their words, not mine).

            Sometimes resentment has to grow to a certain level, and sometimes you just need to intelligently challenge the bullies especially if no one is going to do it for you. I can’t be the only one, and I can’t do this forever you know. People will have to take my place, and I hope that they can do it in an intelligent, diplomatic manner.

          • Zappa Frank

            Do you realize that you do not challenge bullies but play the same game with them and you actually challenge all moderates?

          • whuddyasack

            It’s not for myself, I’m teaching those that are getting picked on what to do. If they assert themselves against those bashing on them, and others like them join in their defense it serves as an effective deterrent because then the bullies would know that their potential victim will not be trolled/react in a way the bully would like. Now if they could in turn humiliate the bully (because a bully’s psychology is one of projection and fragile egos) even better. Having others on their side and venting their hearts out can be therapeutic as well. I’ve seen some instances where lone Chinese had been shut down, alienated and “otherized” regardless of their intentions, age or gender.

          • whuddyasack

            I doubt many girls write you about this

            Then I’m sorry to inform you that you just have no idea. Because that is the truth. Actually if you’ve been paying attention you’ll notice that there was an article when many Chinese actually did email complaints to the staff requesting to ban “racism” entirely in this board. You want to know which group thought the proposition was stupid? If you ask any of the long time Chinese posters if they’ve ever felt that sometimes
            racism on this board was overbearing and left them feeling demotivated on this site, you’d find the answer is most likely “yes”.

            From my side, I really don’t want to see any more Chinese/Asian commentators on this board leave because they can’t take it anymore. To be honest, I find their discussions most interesting because they aren’t bound by such trivial matters as “race” nor feel the need to “compete” or put down others just to make themselves feel better. Their opinions are often varied and disagreements are often exchanged respectfully. In an environment dominated by those intent on bashing Chinese no matter what, it’s VERY hard not to fall into the temptation of fighting fire with fire. I can applaud each and every one of them for that. So go ahead and think of me as you like. I can take it. I’ll just finish off by saying I’m not racist. And neither are any of the Chinese on this board. In fact, all of them are better than me and its because of this that I feel concerned for them.

          • Zappa Frank

            Actually the only one who always put the race above all is you, never seems anyone do this more often than you, more than fight fire with fire you are the one the put things on fire. Your past sentences have proved you racist already many time… Even now here you again make a racial division, not tolerant vs intolerant, not racist vs not racist, but again Chinese or Asians vs whites, it is stronger than you…

          • whuddyasack

            I read the entire congested argument and so many suggest I get moderated. Yet whenever offensive comments are made on Chinese MALES AND FEMALES (READ), 24/7 not one of those troglodytes suggest any action. Did you really think that I and many others never noticed the disgusting constant bashing of Chinese females (whenever Chinese males weren’t involved/present). They’ve been called gold diggers, ill-tempered, materialistic, violent, filthy, rude, plastic surgeried, low morals and prostitutes often enough by just about everyone and white guys have no problems with this, unless the person doing this was “Asian”.

            When it comes to Chinese males, suddenly they turn into the foreign savior and instead of bashing the perpetrators and the faux “christian” cult, they prefer
            talking down Chinese men by making tall stories. I guess the truth is really uncomfortable and it just confirms my views, people who make up stories will believe others make them up as well. BTW, though that incident felt good and I made new friends, I would never think of myself as a hero. I was a human being helping human beings, something lost amongst all the gawking non-Asians there.

            Till now, I’ve yet to intentionally make up lies about my personal life because I prefer people to be honest with me. I’ve never said I encountered any racism because I have not. I now realize that revealing too much is is quite stupid of me. One thing I’ve noticed is that many white posters here post nothing but lies, much of it very obvious. So whenever I make it a point to be honest and sincere I feel cheated knowing that most don’t. The comments here are such a disconnect from reality, of course it leaves me repulsed and I can’t help but feel these people must be somehow less evolved. There’s just no other explanation for such behavior.

          • Zappa Frank

            Whuddy you can even avoid to reply me from now on.. the only one compeltely diconnected is you. once again cannot even think in term of racist-non racist but only whites-asians.. i’m not intrested in reading your fantasy trash.
            seems is hard for you to realize that the topic of this blog is china and than we talk about china…good and bad as it is in the real life. If you want just listen good things you may change blog.

          • whuddyasack

            There is good and bad. If you check my comment history, you’ll know that I criticize the bad as well so it’s not true that I only want to listen to good things. I know China is not perfect better than most but I don’t use that as a basis to bash on its people, that’s so base. There are no blogs with just good things about China. Have you ever seen blogs and forums not about China? Firstly, none of them are full of posts where 90% of it is bashing the country and its people. Go to a blog on Norway, Finland, Germany, Sweden, Japan or Brazil and look at the posts. When it is cultural, people talk about what interests them or personal experiences. They don’t talk about how crappy the Finnish culture is, or how Swedish people have a higher rape rate than other countries.

            The second part you mention people will talk about the bad, but shouldn’t there be a limit on free speech? For example, even in a US website during the Boston bombing if someone were to say “Karma! America” there would be thousands of people rising to the defense of the country and rightly so. There’d be action, the staff would ban the offensive commentators on the spot. Yet during the Kunming knife attacks, market bombing and Vietnamese riots, there were people who were gloating over the deaths of innocent Chinese, justifying their deaths there and then and somehow portraying the victims as the bad guys. Ask yourself how you would feel if some nutjob bombed a train station in Milan and some retards started saying it’s the fault of the Italian victims killed?

            It truly is one-sided Frank, think about it. If anyone wants to defend China by pointing out the hypocrisy of the bashers we’re told that this “is a blog about China”. Yet if it’s the other way around, and it’s about Japanese massacres in China for example, how come mostly “white” people bring up the Great Famine, and other irrelevant stuff? How come it’s crickets chirping from Caucasians and how come no Chinese tells them they are talking about the Nanjing massacre not the 89 massacre? It’s frankly repulsive and I’m only human, you think I don’t have an opinion? You think thousands of Chinese don’t have opinions?

            http://www.tealeafnation.com/2012/07/op-ed-facing-passive-denial-of-the-nanjing-massacre/

            Fairness for everyone, but not the Chinese. Isn’t that what it’s like, Frank? But well, just got to accept it and accept the fact that lower human subspecies need affirmative action.

        • mr.wiener

          @whuddyasack:disqus Here is how it starts out. We get a story on some fresh atrocity in China, a bunch of Key board warriors[all races] chime in “here’s what I woulda done” Then it gets down to the “Chinese are passive”, “Chinese are sheep”, “Chinese guys got no balls” etc, etc ad infernitum ad naeseum….Your retort don’t help, all it is at the end of the day is “I know you are but what am I”…Then we got the flame war.

          @everyone else: Here are my final thoughts on the matter, you just don’t know if you where not there. YOU SAY you would have done some thing, but I’ve been around long to see this shit 1st hand. People usually do jack shit except watch something like this unfold, UNLESS SOMEONE ELSE DOES IT FIRST.
          …you see passiveness is contagious, so is aggression, most people I see tend to follow the leader…and if it doesn’t personally concern them. leaders can be short on the ground in China.

          • Zappa Frank

            It is not just that, whuddy plays his game of yellows vs whites regardless of the article, any excuse is ok, even when whites are not even mentioned and no one does he comes again with the story of the teacher who was ‘improperly hugging’ some japanese girls (doubtfully) and than his action as hero of the day (I’ve read this story four or five times already), and than again to play his favorite game saying some bullshits about whites clannish and other gross generalizations. Now, even worse, seems that apparently at least one of the moderator is playing with him.

          • Kai
          • whuddyasack

            You’re right and I’ll admit I must’ve used the wrong approach. Although at the start of this article, I remember so many wanting to believe this woman was bludgeoned because she rejected a proposal from some random Chinese man. After learning that this was the work of a cult, the argument centred around the overall cowardice of the Chinese and their supposed bravado yet the irony is that I’ve read numerous accounts of brave Chinese that would put even upright individuals from anywhere else to shame. Surely braver than all the internet heroes here. The ones online making great boastful claims don’t even compare since bravery doesn’t even begin with them.

            Diplomacy isn’t really one of my strengths. And with your final comment, that really is the way it is. When it comes down to it, how many of us are sure we’d act the hero? We can only hope that when that day comes, we won’t freeze up. And we can only hope that day will never come.

            Wiener, I think you and the rest of the moderation team deserve a word of thanks. It’s not an enviable job and I admire your patience when it comes to the trolls. I know I’d have been more than zorch-happy. This site could have easily degraded into something like shanghaiist where mindless trolls roam free (and I don’t blame the staff). So while it’s a thankless job and you do get rude comments (I’ve seen them myself), there are many of us who are grateful to the staff here. And thanks for tolerating my shenanigans (somewhat)… lol.

          • mr.wiener

            You’re welcome.

        • The Enlightened One

          Well good to new the moderators around here are well chosen!

          Seems they applaud this young fellow and that boulder he carries on his shoulder. Disguising his inner-racism behind a wall of heroism saving the poor Asian from the evils that are pale skinned… he has won over our fair young lass, Christina.

          Well Christina, I hope you have chosen well. Lest you find yourself in a MacDonald’s and the only thing between a nutter and yourself is the cowardly racist you are now supporting.

          • Rick in China

            I don’t think being a mod should exclude people from upvoting/downvoting whatsoever..

          • The Enlightened One

            Who said it should?

            She gave her opinion (through her vote) and I gave mine. I am sure she is quite capable of backing up her opinions. But you must admit, being a mod you should hold a certain level of neutrality, yes?

            So calling out a mod on supporting someone who comes across as a racist sounds pretty reasonable to me.

          • ex-expat

            You are absolutely right, I just find it amusing how Christina often has called people out for making comments perceived to be racist or prejudiced or unfair, yet supports the biggest violator of her apparent principles.

          • Rick in China

            With that context it makes sense, but that context wasn’t given in the criticism :D

          • whuddyasack

            Actually, Christina has a right to upvote comments as she sees fits without being attacked for it. It’s extremely unfair to call her biased or a poor mod because of that. Sometimes honesty is necessary, and if you think carefully she’s been very lenient with her moderation. Truth be told, and having seen her comments, she is a genuinely nice, warm person and has never once contradicted her beliefs but maintained a progressive stance despite everything. I’ve learnt a lot from her which is something very rare online being the stubborn mule I can be. That’s my sister for you. Mad respect. Honestly, I think it is a crime to associate her with my “racism”. Whatever problems you have with me, just take it out on me please. And this goes to the dozen people who agree with you.

            I really think you and the rest of your ilk need to weigh each comment on its individual value and read thoroughly. You carry what appears to be two giant planets on your shoulders. I’m actually left scratching my head at the winning over and choosing well comment. To tell you the truth, this isn’t really a competition and I wonder what’s up with that strange colloquialism. Are you naturally this intimate or passionate?If I can offer any advice, it is that sometimes the biggest racist, the greatest source of conflict is our own reflection staring back at us.

          • Zappa Frank

            After this flattering approach don’t you feel embarrassed?
            She up voted a racist comment of yours, not a good job as moderator, but since here only whites are racist for definition I guess is ok..

          • Kai

            How can you say only whites can be racist here when we’ve regularly agreed with judgements of certain Chinese netizen comments being racist or when I myself have several times called whuddyasack racist for his comments?

          • whuddyasack

            It’s funny that I’ve never found it in me to complain about “my treatment”, yet the whiny bandwagon are just so whiny. But yeah, for them Kai is biased. WTH?!? You forget to mention that on CSmack and Shanghaiist, a good mod only bans and moderates Chinese comments while leaving comments bashing Chinese intact because any fool is cool doing that.

            As for Christina, she is definitely not racist and does a good job. You know if not for her, I might not have noticed the two good comments from Black contributors because like I said, I was angry with the news and my narrow-minded view of American society, and Blacks over that fatal bashing. To quote wiener, I would’ve started “the flame war”. But then I saw the 2 upstanding comments, felt ashamed of myself and their writing felt so raw that my heart melted. I’ve always felt sorry for people who didn’t have pride in their own heritage or bashed themselves too much. I’m not the best example and maybe I really am “the biggest racist” to you, but I’m not so cruel as to enjoy the suffering of a fellow human being.

            You probably don’t remember this. When I first met you, I posted on a now-banned account and I admit, it wasn’t really in the best of circumstances. But the one thing I did remember was when I was posting on JCrush, how critical you were of Italy’s role in WW2. It sort of made me change my perspective. It’s a bit like the case with the bashing death of the Chinese. I told you back then not to sweat it and that it wasn’t your country’s/your fault, but I could have been telling myself the same thing. Because that’s how I was made to feel and how I thought the other Chinese posters were made to feel because of what the CCP did, because of Mao’s Great Famine, because of the 89 massacre, because of the Xinjiang/Tibet occupation, the list goes on. The reason I was getting into everyone’s shit list back then and banned for it was because I really felt that the community blamed all of us for the “sins of the father” and I really didn’t want to see a blog with a high incidence of “Chinese guilt” while the monkeys continued flinging shit. I felt you were fair and I suppose you were the first white guy that I didn’t feel was a total jerk. And then you talked about pizza in a topic about sushi, and that sealed the deal ;-)

            That’s why I often say I’m really fond of you, and I mean it. Because we don’t have the same views, we won’t get along but deep down, I know you are a good person.

        • The Enlightened One

          If I was a lass, and I found myself in a MacDonald’s and I had to choose between my savior being a mainland Han Chinese male vs. say an American Caucasian/African male (I am not American)… not knowing either particularly well…

          I don’t think I would need to consider that proposition very long…

          • whuddyasack

            The Enlightened One, allow me to enlighten you.

            Number one, I never really address you as pale-skinned evils considering the fact many Asians are whiter than white and I’d be shooting my own feet. This includes you and especially you. You are duskier than almost all my Asian friends from China, Japan, and Korea.

            Number two, and more importantly unlike you I don’t choose my savior based on race seeing as in such a situation, I’d be too busy dying and help from “anyone” would be appreciated. You say that you would not need to consider that proposition long out of prejudice I suppose. For myself, I’d say not to judge a book by its cover as you never know who you might receive help from one day:
            http://shanghaiist.com/2014/05/31/anhui_middle_school_teacher_dies_sa.php

            You see, if I really were as racist as you say I was, I could easily have added an additional link where a white/black male ran rather than help a neighbor in need.

            And with that, I end my lesson. The old can learn from the young. Sometimes you learn that due to your own myopia, you don’t really know that the ones you are so fervently against might be the one to open up your eyes. Enlightening isn’t it?

  • Josh Sater

    It’s amazing what a difference ONE person with a GUN could have made in this situation.

    • mr.wiener

      Josh…..just don’t.

    • Zsari Maxim

      Would not change a thing given the 6 assailants would have guns too.

      • Jay K.

        even if those assail tans had guns, it levels the playing field. the question now becomes who is the better shooter. and yeah I am a strong proponent of gun rights, these fucktards don’t deserve to live.

        • Free Man

          I think the follow up question would be how many other innocent people would have been killed during such a shooting. Or doesn’t collateral damage count?

          Guns don’t kill people, people kill people. OK, lets lock up all the people then.

    • L3ros

      One person with a gun would have been shot dead by 6 people with a gun.

      You are not John Rambo you are Nobody.

      If everyone has a gun, the one that draws last is dead. Usually the guy that draws last is the one that’s not a psycho killer.

  • woolv

    Now they should put a warning on the packaging: This product potentially makes you nuts.

  • Freddi BuBu

    Thirsty chinamen…..lol

    • TooBadToHappen

      Chinamen is still too impolite to talk about, isn’t it?

  • bang2tang

    did they think this girl is a demon because she rejected God’s order ???

    • maidanglao0kbs

      By the words of a witness, one of a girl of murderers asked number to the victim several times but all got rejected by the victim, both of that murderer and the victim were getting impatient, maybe one of them said something rude and upgrade the conflict, what happened next is showed in the video, if you could understand Chinese well you can find out by yourself.

    • maidanglao0kbs

      What I can 100% sure is that, in the video, the murderers were beating the victim and yelling “you’re a demon, devil, you’ll be in hell forever(永世不得超生)”, in China rare people would say other’s demon or devil or mention hell like this, only Cult disciples and psychopaths would talk like this, since the murderers are 6 peoples from teenager to middle-age and all talk about the same shit, they can’t be psychopaths.

  • Irvin

    The solution is simple isn’t it? rich chinese should go to america and rich americans should come to china.

  • chandlerpatrick

    We need to have public stonings for these people. Draw and quarter em. Call me old fashioned, but seriously, crucify these bums.

  • noodles76

    Sure thing, internet hero. I believe you could have saved the f’n day.

  • whuddyasack

    So I read this already distressing article (didn’t want to watch the video because I’ve seen enough death captured on screen). Vulnerable people in agony just ruins my day. My heart really goes out to the victim and her family, I agree that sympathy is what’s needed here and this could’ve been anyone’s sister, wife, girlfriend, daughter, mother or friend. But there’s something else I find disappointing. Instead of finding common ground with everyone else on this article, I’m just appalled that some have turned it into another we against you garbage. They’ve taken this opportunity to bash all “Han Chinese men” again; comparing them to the oh-so-superior western man.

    My question is this? Where were the superior white men when the elderly Chinese man was bashed by a Black thug? Where were they when the SF lady was beaten? Where the freaking hell were all of you when Annie Kim Pham was beaten to death? There were so many of you yet even your bouncers refused to help resulting in the death of an innocent. You ought to be ashamed.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/11/annie-hung-kim-pham-dead_n_4765876.html

    • noodles76

      Don’t try to make this into something it isn’t. You’re just as guilty as trying to turn this into a Chinese vs Westerner thing than the folks you’re attacking now with rhetorical questions….

    • Germandude

      Iirc, the elderly Chinese man was killed in a street with 1 person passing by the whole time (and not in a crowded Mc Donald’s like this case).

      The SF lady was beaten in an empty shop with nobody around either (camera footage shows it as well).

      The thrid case, I am not familiar with.

      You are jumping on the race blaming and yellow vs white shit with joy, so you are exactly one of those you are mentioning: a racist insecure moron.

    • The Enlightened One

      Hahahahahahaha! The boulder has grown in to a mountain.

  • vonskippy

    This is what happens when you jam too many rats in a small cage. World population is 7 billion and rising, it’s only going to get worse.

    • noodles76

      So this event happened due to overpopulation? Thanks for clearing that up.

    • Emilio Kléber

      If social problems come from population density, Somalia and Afghanistan must be like paradise.

  • noodles76

    Rabblerabblerabble!

  • lacompacida

    The glory of Chinese culture is exemplified again !!!

    • Ale Jandro

      What happened last week in America? think about it.

  • http://www.pearltiles.com Martin Xu

    fuck Chinese law and government!screw you son of bitch,how innocent people protect themselves?

    • Ale Jandro

      Change the law and you’ll change the whole country. I don’t think they want to do so!

  • http://www.pearltiles.com Martin Xu

    Normally in China guys will just watch and do nothing,because if you go up and stop the assailant and get hurt,sometimes you get nothing good for you,the one who saved by you even won’t say thank you to you.also you’ve have to pay for cost in case of any injury.if you hurt the assailant during the fight,you may got a law-suit by the police. so you know how ridiculous the law is! if all of these assailants did not get death penalty this time,then the law is dead!(of course it’s have been dead thousands of times before),anyway,I would curse the Chinese president family died of similar violence!

  • http://www.pearltiles.com Martin Xu

    you probably get nothing from Xi Jingping,he is not Obama,the death of a young lady in china means nothing to him!the death of ordinary innocent people in china is like the death of a dog!

    • Ale Jandro

      A death of a dog is a major issue I think!

  • http://yoursexycousinrex.tumblr.com/ Your Sexy Cousin Rex

    I hope he’ll get a steel pipe in the ass from the famous porn star Steel Pipe while in prison!

  • http://yoursexycousinrex.tumblr.com/ Your Sexy Cousin Rex

    China: World power
    LOL

    • TooBadToHappen

      We said nothing about we’re the world power… We do not want to rule the world. We believe cooperation and win-wins.

    • Ale Jandro

      It has nothing to do with World Power or not. China has a lot of internat problems. One of them is crazy people that follow crazy cults.

  • Clive McNeil

    I was so angry and disgusted with this. Any man if he calls himself a man MUST step up and intervene, send the girlfriends and wives for help but get in, rally everyone – once SOMEONE trys to step in, more will follow and at least try to stop it – yes, I would. I may get hurt or even die…but I absolutely REFUSE to stand by and do nothing and not even attempt to stop this happening.
    It is a horror that we must ALL combat. For evil to win, all you have to do is…nothing.

    McDonalds is not to blame for this in any way. It is the people who stand by in shock and just LET it happen. We are ALL to blame if we just stand by and expect others to do something.

    • JamesGrattan

      yea grab up as many as possible with balls, dive behind,run into the kitchen and grab all the choppers,knives and hot Boiling Oil!!,then watch em run.

      • don mario

        good suggestion. at least going down by boiling one of thems face off with hot oil would be a good stand against injustice. i would personally go for the meat cleaver and shank that tall guy in his skinny jeans.

        • noodles76

          It’s a fucking McDonalds!!!
          Unless you’re gonna shank him with a plastic spork your testosterone fueled fantasy does not work.

          • don mario

            i said it in humour dumbass. but if you wanna mess with my i might have to pull out the spork and shank YOU. or maybe strangle to death with some noodles. if you really push you’re luck i might feed you gutter oil and watch you shit out your guts!

          • noodles76

            And your terrible English……also done in humor I imagine.

            You’re a funny guy.

          • don mario

            *was* also done in *humour*.

            thats 2 errors right there. FROM A 2 LINE REPLY. lol @ you trying to pull the spellchecker card on me when your own english is riddled with mistakes. prick.

            if you spent the time to check (like 2 posts down) instead of rambling off an essay on why im an internet tough guy, you would of seen i think the only way anyone could of dealt with this is to come at them with guns.

          • noodles76

            Lol @ dipshit.

            Humor and humour are the same word smart guy.
            What’s next? Are you going to tell me theater is wrong too? Center? Color? Labor?

            I stand corrected, you are not an internet tough guy. You’re just a moron. I apologize for my earlier error.

          • Dr Sun

            Noddles all these macho internet heros if there,would have realized adrenaline was brown and running out their arse, as the stood frozen to spot.
            But they were not there, none of them have ever seen a deadly fight, been in combat, but they have watched rush hour, full metal jacket and stayed at a Holiday Inn Express once.

    • LeChefFantastique

      I definitely agree. And I know I would do something in that situation. But unfortunately I’d probably die doing it and no one would help. But hey, at least I would die doing something good and trying to be a good human being.

    • Rick in China

      Completely agree Clive. If I saw this situation, I’d look to whomever is nearby and say “Hey, please, look after my daughter, I’m going to go in to try to stop 5 guys beating a girl with a pipe without any context, be right back!”

      • linette lee

        You don’t even have to get physically involved. You can scream I am calling the police right now and just keep screaming at them. Throw things at them. That’s what most people will do.

        • Rick in China

          Of course you call the police. Maybe you get involved. It’s just that something like this is _so situational_ that it’s always ridiculous when some pompous fucktard comes on the ‘net and is like “BAM SON I’DA KILLED THEM ALL ANY MAN WUD! REST ARE PUSSIES!” when in fact, while they may have some stupid unrelated anecdote, they’re just flamebaiting everyone else to point and say “you aint shit net warrior”. Waste of bandwidth.

          • linette lee

            Usually in situation like this people will immediately call the police and speak to police on speaker phone so the killer can hear the conservation of the police and the police can hear the act of killing the poor girl screaming. You talk to the police and give the address and description of the attackers and description the scene on the speaker phone so everybody can hear and the police phone call is recorded. The killer may be a bit more hesitating to continue the assault. Also other people should take photos and scream I took photo of him….

            That’s how hong kong people fight on the street. Call police on speaker phone and take photos. Understand evidence is very important.

          • Rick in China

            For some situations that may be great. If someone is engaging in a relatively minor incident, I’m sure being on the phone with police would deter them. These guys are MURDERING someone.

            First, you don’t actually talk to police. You dial, say, 110, you talk to a call operator. They take information. They determine who to pass your report on to. The report goes to a dispatcher for whomever the report was passed on to, someone takes the call and heads to reported position. It 3 minutes is actually great response time IMO, assuming someone called _immediately_ at the start of the incident or whatever.

            Do you really think that walking up to 5 people beating a woman with a pipe would result in anything less than you getting beaten, if your whole position is “I am talking to the police on this phone in my hands infront of you!” and screaming at them? Or “I took your picture!” or anything else. I’d imagine most attackers would immediately attack you – destroy the phone – and leave.

            The more the *murderers* think you are doing against them, the more likelihood they kill you too. A better strategy would be to implement some stealth in your ‘evidence capture’, if that is your goal.

          • linette lee

            3 MINUTES?????? no WAY…. in cHINA emergency police call takes 3 minutes?? IN hong Kong not even one minute. The dispatcher are trained and take down all the information and will stay with you on the phone recording all the background noise. You put them on speaker phone.

            That is why you should make the phone call while standing far away from the attacker and ready to run. But if the attacker running after you that mean he stopped hitting that poor girl.

            But in China everything is different. The China people probably trust the attacker more than the China police. They are just as bad. LOL.

          • Rick in China

            “in cHINA emergency police call takes 3 minutes?? IN hong Kong not even one minute.”

            Except, not.

            http://www.police.gov.hk/offbeat/688/011_e.htm

            More like 6 minutes on average.

          • linette lee

            That’s not true. I had called the HK police and got through immediately not even 30 secs. The dispatcher took down all information and ask if anyone injured and told me the police is coming right away. I was in a minor car accident. Nothing serious. Fender bender but the guy was arguing with my father.

          • Rick in China

            I think we have a miscommunication :D “response time” when referring to emergency services isn’t about the phone call, it’s the measurement from the time the call is logged and incident reported to the time the police (or ambulance or fire) arrive on scene. In this case, a response time of 3 minutes is pretty great from my perspective, if they actually arrived only 3 minutes after getting the call.

            It has nothing to do with the measurement of how long it takes to get through _on the phone_ :)

          • Matthew Gaunt

            “LOL”?

            Yeah this is fucking hilarious.

          • JamesGrattan

            That what the guy taking video Did heard at the start he told em to stop noticed it was 6 of em so backed off and started taking stealth footage(notice cam pointing to the floor when they looked his way) .he could Not stop them but he made it that they would with luck pay for the crime

          • don mario

            they called the damn police, these people were arrested. what part of the camera phone footage were you NOT watching then? i call that evidence.

          • noodles76

            It’s just that something like this is _so situational_ that it’s always ridiculous when some pompous fucktard comes on the ‘net and is like “BAM SON I’DA KILLED THEM ALL ANY MAN WUD! REST ARE PUSSIES!”

            Completely agree Clive. If I saw this situation, I’d look to whomever is nearby and say “Hey, please, look after my daughter, I’m going to go in to try to stop 5 guys beating a girl with a pipe without any context, be right back!”

            So what makes the other guy into a pompous fucktard but not you?

          • Rick in China

            My utter complete ridiculousness which I hoped would translate into obvious sarcasm? :D

            What kind of irresponsible father would have that sort of attitude. First instinct as a parent would be, get my fucking child out of here, when we’re safe, call police. It wouldn’t even be call police first, it’d be protect baby.

          • noodles76

            It’s difficult to tell who is being sarcastic and over the top in a thread where we have people picking up chairs, throwing oil, finding knives in a McDonalds kitchen, rallying troops with a speech like they’re f’n Braveheart, and dropping the Five-Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique on the evildoers like real life is a movie and they have a cape in their closet.

          • ScottLoar

            Excellent prose, a real treat to read and read again; I envy the line “dropping the Five-Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique on the evildoers…”

          • mr.wiener
        • don mario

          police were called, people were screaming.

    • don mario

      they didn’t let it happen, there was like a gang of them. short of getting a gun out and mowing them down i don’t see what there was for the bystanders to do.

    • Matthew Gaunt

      I could not agree more Clive. I just don’t understand the mindset or decision-making process which would permit a man to just stand and watch as this unfolds in front of him. Did you hear her screams? Oh man that will stay with me for ever. Just….run at him…charge at him and knock him to his feet to change the situation into something else….throw something…. Do ANYTHING except stand there in terrified indecision watching her skull get smashed in as she screams for help.

      So tragic for this girl and her family, but what saddens me most are those in this forum who are noisily — and often cynically — defending the indefensible: inaction. Pathetic men, really.

  • Karze

    This is how rich and powerful behave brazenly in China. Innocent people will be locked in prison for speaking the truth while these butcher will never even spend a day in prison. Tibetan people are thrown and tortured simply for possessing the photo of the Dalai Lama.

    • opps

      IS THIS THE THING you really think of this case?

      As far as we know, all 6 attackers are confirmed to be group of illegal cult religion named 全能教.(Quan Neng Jiao/all-powerful), which is a twist branch of Christianity in China, and these crazy attackers think that it’s powerful and everyone who doesn’t believe it are demon. This CULT is ILLEGAL in CHINA, They asked somebody in MacDonald for their phone number to do missionary, some people gave it to them and the victim refused to give, so the attackers went insane and thought the victim was devil who doesn’t believe 全能教, and then punched the victim, that is why they were screaming “Demon” and “Go to hell“ in the video. At least one boy tried to help but failed against 6 attackers, there were other people tried to stop them by persuading and had no effect,cos the attackers who are followers of the cult Quan Neng Jiao were insane, so they called police. And the police went there in 3 minutes, but it’s already late. We can hear they saying try to stop in the video. But I admit that not all of them showed enough courage.

      Now this is the headline on media in China, the attackers are under arrest, almost every Chinese are paying close attention to this and the attackers have no way to escape sanctions.Entire China was shocked by this shocking video and the social media is in Extreme RAGE mode,we have never seen this bloody cult case before except the terrorist attack.

      Some more details
      The victim is 37 years old, and she is a good wife and a mother of a 7-year-old boy.
      The attacker’s weapon is a steel pipe he brought with. 5 attackers are from another province – Hebei Province where near the seedbed of the cult named 全能教 – Henan Prvince,and one from local. All 6 attackers are confirmed to be a group of this illegal cult,and the youngest is only 13 years old.

      The cult named 全能教(Quan Neng Jiao/all-powerful),and their “God” called 全能神(Quan Neng God).
      Its based on the Christian Bible, but definitely not authentic Christianity.
      They publicize lots of rubbish such as:(I translate this from Chinese, you can google or baidu 全能教 if you want)
      * Quan Neng God revealed himself in China: Quan Neng God revealed himself to the image of a female in China in 1992.
      * 3 step acting theory: Believe Jesus is the first, and now Quan Neng God is acting in China being the third step, people who don’t believe the third step will not be rescued.
      * Doomsday: Quan Neng God will destroy the world in the future, only his believer can be saved.
      * The exclusion of any other religion, including the original Christian.
      * Brainwashing, asked followers to give up all worldly and secular life. Against all Chinese customs, including a variety of traditional festivals.

      Please forgive my poor English and I just want to say some facts again.

      • mr.wiener

        Thanks for the information bro.

        • opps

          My pleasure

      • Ale Jandro

        Thanks for the information! your English level is not poor.

  • Karze

    This nothing compared to the systematic killings and torture under the direction of Communist party of China.
    Millions died under Mao and yet Chinese are still not willing to accuse the Mao.

    • TooBadToHappen

      Very biased. We’re accusing the Mao all the time. You don’t want to compare number of lives lost in campus shootings to number of people sacrified in American Civil War, do you? Does not make sense at all.

  • http://yoursexycousinrex.tumblr.com/ Your Sexy Cousin Rex

    When will the heroes of Water Margin make their return?

  • mr.wiener

    Yes, fancy her shouting and screaming like that as they were beating her to death……… a clear provocation.
    David…it’s Ok to have an opinion, but maybe you should think a little before sharing it with everyone..hmm?

  • KamikaziPilot

    Okay internet tough guy, time to get a reality check. Throw burning hot oil? You’d intervene with weapons? All for a stranger. So I guess all these guys in this video got no sacks between their legs either right? Or maybe they’re just scared like most normal people would be.

  • noodles76

    The only difference between courage and flat out stupidity is perspective.

  • KamikaziPilot

    An average western man would have saved the girl’s life? Not any more likely than anyone of any race with a “hero complex” in China, if you know what I mean. Would you do the same in your home country? Or would you be more like these guys in the video below? I’m guessing the latter.

  • TooBadToHappen

    It’s not censored at all, and on Weibo there’s continuing heated discussion and anger.

  • ScottLoar

    Despite Dakota Fred’s 20 years’ experience of China and never having heard of any cult this one does exist; the numbers of obviously Chinese posting variations of the same post shows it does exist, an internet search of 全能教 calls up comments and explanations of the cult. As further example, there is another now famous cult which was completely unknown to most people and surely to the authorities until thousands of its member gathered together one day in a famous spot to give a petition. That got everyone’s attention real fast.

    The Chinese authorities are always suspicious of religious associations because history shows they can quickly morph into political movements. If this killing was the act of a cult revealed as 全能教 it will surely be exterminated.

  • biopower

    this is just way too confusing and sickening and bewildering.

  • Pako-chan

    thanks for the explanation.

  • Rick in China

    Just played video without audio due to having family around and it being fucked up, but it’s a horrible video – surely there’s some surveillance cam floating around that actually captured what happened?

    Looks like police have the m’fers arrested anyways, should make a point to do a follow-up and let us know what happened..

  • opps

    The latest confirmed report

    Brief
    The six suspects of the homicide occurred in Zhaoyuan, are members of cult“Almighty taught”. For the development of the organization, they gathered in the restaurant where the incident happened to ask people for phone number. The victim refused to give phone number to them so the suspects beat the victim to death in cold blood. At present, except one suspect(13 years old) who has not reached the age of criminal responsibility to be dealt with separately, the other five suspects are all formally charged with murder. Local police have carried out special operations to combat the cult.

    5月28日晚,在招远市麦当劳快餐店内发生一起故意杀人案。案件发生后,招远市公安局4分钟内赶到现场,当场将6名犯罪嫌疑人全部抓获。

    当日晚21时19分,招远市公安局110指挥中心接群众报警:“在麦当劳快餐店内有打架的。”21时23分,处警民警到达现场,当场将正在实施犯罪行为的嫌疑人制服,将受害人吴某某送往医院治疗。21时48分,被害人吴某某经抢救无效死亡。

    经查,河北籍犯罪嫌疑人张某某(男、无业)、其长女张某(无业)、次女张某(无业)、儿子张某(辍学)、河北籍张某某(女、无业)、山东籍吕某某(女、无业)6人系邪教组织“全能神”成员,为发展邪教组织成员,在麦当劳向周围就餐人员索要电话号码,遭被害人拒绝后,遂对其进行殴打。目前,除犯罪嫌疑人张某某的儿子张某因未达到刑事责任年龄另行处理外,其余5人均因涉嫌故意杀人罪被依法刑事拘留。现从其住处查获“全能神”书籍等邪教资料。省市公安机关专案组将进一步加大案件审查力度,依法严厉打击各类邪教违法犯罪活动,有效保护人民群众生命财产安全 。

    • don mario

      just like the muslim flag had been found at the scene of other attacks recently? dont buy it.

      • JamesGrattan

        get what you saying ,and your right but i think in this case ,they could really be …..Radicals,,etherway even if they was not,someone high up will use this and put a spin on it that it was,etherway

        • don mario

          there is no way to tell, there is no freedom of press or rule of law. so why believe it? it should be questioned, and people should seek the truth not just accept the story and move a long like good little citizens. especially a story like this that seems quite dodgy and not to be as they are saying(looks more likely they are just privileged rich )

          • Insomnicide

            Actually, it’s the netizens who are saying it’s from Quannengjiao. The government has refrained from denying or confirming that.

      • linette lee

        Are you one of the member of that religion? Why are you so defensive?

      • karpouzi

        you seem to have a habit of believing whatever suits you.

        • don mario

          you seem to have a habit of believing statements based off no conclusive evidence (all you got to go off is a guy shouting demon) from a country that has no freedom of press and no rule of law.

      • Dr Sun

        your point being if its blamed on Islam believe it, if its blamed on christianity its nonsense ?

        • don mario

          the point is they can add some half assed details after the fact. such as ‘muslim flag was found on the scene’ even though the flag was not at all related to the uighers. so this could be the exact same thing. dumb piece of shit.

  • Science Patrol

    I call bullshit on that having anything to do with Christianity.

    • Gordon Gogodancer

      I recently heard that the gvt is cracking down on Christianity.

      • Dr Sun

        good, christianity has oppressed, killed and tutored more people throughout its history than anything or anyone else has, it needs stamping out.

        • Nor Bolbe

          LOL Sorry but the USSR and CCP have killed more people combined than any religion combined. That is a fact.

          • Dr Sun

            Neither the CPC which is a political party or the USSR which was a Empire have been considered a religion.
            I was not not combining the USSR and CPC together as they are different entities. But if you want to go down this path lets group all religions together and how many they have killed in the name of their respective God?(s).
            Ooops dude you have way exceed the USSR and CPC combined and your still killing in the name of your god on mass every day all over the world.
            But then you started out a very long time ago, even well before 1096(the first crusade) Christian led religious killings were common in Europe and your mass killings and have never stopped since. The USSR bloody as it was was short lived, the CPC as well, just a blip on the radar compared to number of people killed and tortured in the name of God..

    • Kai

      It doesn’t have anything to do with (mainstream) Christianity. The cult associates itself with Christianity and he merely acknowledged that in “twist branch of Christianity in China”. I think a spokesperson for the same cult/sect/whatever you wanna call it in Taiwan condemned what happened and appealed to their “Christian” nature as well.

    • Dr Sun

      why ?

      Fundamentalist , fringe christian groups have been doing this sort of thing since Christianity was formed, some like the Knights Templar,The KKK, The Army of God,Hutaree,The lords Resistance Army and the Maronites did it on much grander scale. .

      • Brido227

        Taiping, anyone?

  • Science Patrol

    Wow I hope these murderers are caught and punished quickly. My prayers go out to this poor girl’s family.

  • North-eastern

    Tragic. For whatever reason she had to go through all the pain.
    R.I.P

  • linette lee

    A twist branch of Christianity??? The behavior of this cult is a lot more similar to Mao party the China gov’t party. This cult is very similar to CHina gov’t party anyone who goes against will be taken away or killed. May be they worship Mao and practice China gov’t philosophy. But they couldn’t get into the party so they go and create a cult on their and practice their authority over other people. LOL. Once again China gov’t just love love love love love spreading propaganda to brain wash the China folks against Christianity. Poor China people like sheep.

    • Rick in China
      • linette lee

        Right..they say god came back as a form a woman. So as you can see this cult has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with Christianity. The person or group who wrote their own literature just copied and paste some stuff from christian, catholic, jehovah, Muslim…basically just random stuff and created their own version their so called all powerful bible.

        so this cult has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity. They behave more like Mao party China gov’t party. Follow us or die.

        And with this murder, this cult should be classified as criminal organization. The police need to treat it like a crime organization like the mafia.

        • Rick in China

          Well – it’s possible the gov’t just tied the murder into some cult to help their persecution of said cult..these kids just might have been random hateful assholes, who knows. I don’t care though, I only care that they get prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and end up living horrible lives in prison.

          As for the Christianity and offshoot / cult thing – it sounds to me like that lightning whatever is absolutely a Christian offshoot. They believe in the old and new testaments, that Jesus sacrificed himself, yada yada — they just think that now, in addition to all of that, there is also another savior who has come. Adding shit to an entire belief system doesn’t make it an entirely new religion, but rather a sect within a religion, with shared ‘core fundamentals’.. TBH I’ve little to no knowledge about this sect, but from the description above it absolutely seems to be Christianity malformed.

          • linette lee

            but the guy killing that girl was yelling “you devil” “you shall go to hell”…all that crazy stuff to the girl. So it’s not like he was asking for her phone number trying to date her and got rejected. Christianity the church do not force you to attend. They do not follow you around and you don’t even have to give them your address or real name. They don’t even expect you for any donation. I go to some different and just walk in to listen to morning service nobody bothers me or ask me for money. They smile and friendly introduce themselves. They are not selling you a product. The bible teach you love, forgiveness, do not kill or lie….all the good stuff.

          • don mario

            yea, he was saying stuff… so that COULD be an easy way for the govt to put a religious / cult spin on it.

            the guy could just of easily just been a insane crackpot that thought she was a demon!

          • Alex Lang

            God, just because most Christians are one way, doesn’t mean there can’t be crazy f-ed up cults out there that have affiliations to the religion. Do you think radical Islamists are representative of all of Islam? Stop being such a prejudiced asshole and generalizing all Chinese people as sheep just because one commentator on the Internet whose nationality you don’t even know is offering their opinion on the truth of the situation.

          • don mario

            exactly. its china.. the govt can spin it however they like. know knows what the real deal is, just hope these guys get offed. unfortunately with it being china this could well be the last we hear of anyone involved in this case.

            china is all fun and games until some serious shit goes down then it just becomes a disturbing place.

          • Dr Sun

            Oh..stop it, go back to your single wide and start cooking

          • don mario

            i’m not a yanky so go hell.

          • Dr Sun

            sorry my apologies Chav .

          • don mario

            no offence taken.

        • mr.wiener

          Not that I want to insult anyones religion, but christianity certainly has elements of cut and paste about it too.

          • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma Reloaded

            Counsel of Nicea. does it ring a bell? 3rd century copy and paste xD

          • David

            Have you learned about the council from the History channel? It most certainly was not cut and paste. It was a meeting of religious leaders deciding on official doctrinaire that took a long time.

    • mr.wiener

      It wouldn’t be the first time this has happened in China. Look at the Taiping revolt. … except the govt now holds these “christians” up as examples of Chinese patriots.
      I know some christians who are wonderful people and others who I wouldn’t cross the street to piss on, even if they were on fire.

      • Insomnicide

        Taiping rebels were crazy, but they were patriotic and anti-Manchu. And the famous Sun Yat-sen, Chiang Kai-shek, they were both Christians and patriots.

        So it’s not exactly contradictory.

      • donscarletti

        Taiping rebels really believed in a lot of weird stuff.

        Still, I visited the Presidential Palace in Nanjing last Sunday, which used to be their palace and it was amazing to see pictures of them in their messianic getup.

    • Dr Sun

      sound just like the “Knights Templars” Linette or even the Jesuites and conquistadors, or dare I say the Lutherans……

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