Chinese Philanthropist Hands Out $100 Bills to Americans

Chinese billionaire philanthropist Chen Guangbiao handing out $100 bills to poor Americans in New York.

The most commented articles on popular Chinese web portal NetEase [at time of translation]…

From NetEase:

Chen Guangbiao “Hands Out Money” on New York Street, One Man Refused to Accept

2014 June 24 local time, New York, United States, Chinese billionaire Chen Guangbiao handed out one hundred dollar bills to homeless people and street artists [buskers] on the streets of New York, with some people refusing the money he handed them.

[Note: Chen Guangbiao had recently posted a full-page advertisement in the New York Times inviting poor Americans in Manhattan to a free lunch where he would hand out 300 USD in cash to each person. He has done similar things in other countries.]

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For background to understand some of the following translated Chinese netizen comments, Chen Guangbiao is a well-known Chinese billionaire and philanthropist infamous for his publicity stunts. For examples, see these past chinaSMACK translations:

Comments from NetEase:

寂寞的白杨树 [巴西球迷]:

This idiot!

宇宙真理教政委尤里 [网易广西南宁市网友]:

The front page of People’s Daily and headline for Xinwen Lianbo the next day: Americans live in deprivation, rely on Chinese to provide emergency financial aid to survive

七年触手 [网易天津市网友]:

I remember three or four years ago, the mainstream financial media were making fun of Brother Biao, resulting in the so-called hearsay we see now. Later, they felt their making fun of him was indeed without class and it faded away. Now they’re making fun of Brother Biao again. Hehe, I won’t try to explain or defend Brother Biao’s actions, but I do want to ask one thing: I just saw someone mention the One Foundation [a charity founded by actor Jet Li, see comment below by 西山坑], and I felt the question asked was good. Why does the mainstream media and public intellectuals not go scrutinize the One Foundation? Hasn’t there been enough information exposed in the past few months about the various dark secrets including many of the early One Foundation volunteers. We can’t say that One Foundation is simply black [corrupt], but have enough media investigated it? Why not? Waiting for the One Foundation to falsify its accounting books and wash away the evidence??? Pan Shiyi, Ren Zhiqiang, the Pan Renmei Incident [a controversy surrounding a land sale and transfer in 2007] had a lot of people exposing information on the internet and even reporting it with their real names, but why didn’t the media and public intellectuals investigate that? Wang Lin was exposed yesterday, but why doesn’t the media and public intellectuals probe into that? Only because Wang Lin is surrounded by big money? Whereas Chen Guangbiao is actually donating honest money and yet he is constantly hounded? Just because he’s emulating Lei Feng? Only because he loves his homeland/country? Only because he is passing on positive energy [trying to be a positive influence in society]?

I won’t fall in line. But I will continue to insist on a point:
If you’re going to dig up dirt, then dig up dirt on everyone, and report it on everyone. Otherwise, it is all ulterior misleading and brainwashing of us netizens.

老席不曾老 [网易江苏省南京市网友]:

Chen Guangbiao, I want to ask you, are you really a stupid cunt?

网易天津市网友 ip:60.28.*.*:

Chen Guangbiao, you’re embarrassing yourself [and/or Chinese people] even abroad now. When giving people money, why is there someone carrying a camera behind you? With China being so poor, can you be serious and do some practical things, okay? You are a sore among China’s entrepreneurs, an embarrassment, an embarrassment, and you can still laugh.

清风泛舟 [德国球迷]:

Being high-profile [getting publicity, building awareness] is not a hard truth of charity. What more, this action by Chen Guangbiao is not only high-profile, it is a kind of of publicity stunt. I increasingly no longer want to support this kind of charity by him.

西山坑 [网易重庆市江北区手机网友]:

The homeless person in the news is real, and this is disparaging Chen Guangbiao. Many people will think, Chen Guangbiao, see, Americans don’t even pay you any attention, but is that really the truth? Those praising Chen Guangbiao aren’t mentioned in the news at all.

The truth is that some New York homeless and their families once said to Chen Guangbiao in response: Take us to China. Also, there were thousands of homeless people who registered for his free lunch, resulting in the number of spaces running out for this event. Some homeless said the American government have never given them such good food, and actually never more than a hot dog meal.

What I’m trying to say is that there is news everywhere on the internet that disparages Chen Guangbiao, and rarely do you hear anything else, and this is very abnormal. These days, everyone likes to compare Chen Guangbiao and Li Lianjie [Jet Li]. I think Chen Guangbiao definitely can’t match Jet Li. Why? Because Jet Li is taking everybody’s money to do charity, while Chen Guangbiao is only using his own money to do charity. This obviously shows that Chen Guangbiao is a stupid cunt. What more, it’s said that Chen Guangbiao has donated over 1 billion domestically [in China]? Even if we deduct various exaggerations and say it is only 1/3 of that, that is still a lot of money. Are you not a big stupid cunt or what? What a stupid person… So public opinion all supports Jet Li donating other people’s money, and gives people like Chen Guangbiao who donate their own money no sympathy. All the news reports is Jet Li’s good, Chen Guangbiao’s ugly, and the ugly reported is even those that have been edited [to remove the good/positive aspects]. So, Brother Biao, you truly have offended people everywhere. Can loving your country [being patriotic] be said publicly? Do you not know that you’ll be cursed the moment you say you love your country? Don’t you know that you’ll be hated by pro-democracy people and news reporters and editors? Don’t you know that doing good deeds is not a mainstream universal value these days? Don’t you know that the intelligence of netizens to determine right and wrong is quite high~~?

党员希拉里 [哥斯达黎加球迷]:

Chinese people should be ashamed for having such a stupid cunt among them.

dianaross [网易天津市红桥区网友]:

Clown!

死在出生前 [葡萄牙球迷]:

Back when I was in primary school, the teacher taught us that we should refuse candy or money from foreigners, that it was the sugar-coated artillery shells…

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  • Mighty曹

    Didn’t he also pull this publicity stunt in Taiwan?

    • mr.wiener

      Yep,
      For “Philanthropist” read: “Self aggrandizing wanker”.
      why am i reminded of the story of Chinese tourists going to North Korea throwing handfuls of lollies to poor children just for the fun of watching them scrabble for them?

      • diverdude7

        we did that in Moscow in the 70’s. we would throw little sweet candies/gum from our hotel window and the Russian kids would throw us those little pot-metal “Heroic USSR Badges”, u know the ones, the ones the govt. over there used to hand out like popcorn to foster a sense of nationalism and high regard for the Comm. Party. It was kinda fun, but in defense, we were young and dumb… :-p

      • Boris

        Go into a classroom full of kids and chuck candy at them and most of them will do just that. Although I am basing this on kids I’ve seen in classes in Korea, China and the UK and haven’t read or seen the story you are talking about. Was going to try that in India but the teacher had a stick and the kids looked shit scared of him.

        • Mighty曹

          Traveling through a remote part in Myanmar kids in the villages would run after the vehicle as they rarely see tourists (or cars) pass through. We would toss candies and chocolates out the windows and seeing their happiness is priceless.

          • Bob_Barker

            It was nice of you to show your immense kindness to the impoverished masses. Tossing your charity out the window for the benefit of the lowly, poverty stricken children. Did they fight in the dirt for it? Did you wave them off after you reflected in your kindness?

            The extra benefit is that many of these children will now associate the arrival of tourists with sweets and/or other rewards and some will come to ask for them.

            I’ve been to Myanmar numerous times, and one of its charms is, that despite the poverty, there was very little begging. Everyone smiles, you don’t need to give them candy. It is the friendliest country I have ever been too (people-wise).

            Bluntly, you did not do a good thing.

            Good job.

          • Mighty曹

            It was nice of you to comment on such a touching ‘feel good’ story but did you ask these kids if they were happy and grateful or felt exploited for the amusement of foreigners? I’ve been to Myanmar many times for the water festival, Thagyn, and to visit the Buddhist monastery where I once entered monkhood. I maintain lots of friends there. It was the Burmese friends who made the suggestion of ‘giving’ candies to the poor kids in remote region as they rarely get to see visitors from outside, let alone foreigners.
            Also, it was not like tossing candies at a swarm of kids in the city like the Chinese tourists did in NK. At the remote parts there would be only 1, 2, or 3 kids as the homes (huts) were widely spaced along the road.
            I agree the Burmese people are very content with what they have and live a happy life but you having been there numerous times doesn’t make you an expert on Burma nor its people and culture. Now shove your ‘self-righteousness’ back up your rectum and STFU. I’ll tell you something in Burmese as well, nin amei subbat lo.
            Great job.

      • Mighty曹

        “Self aggrandizing wanker” is the most accurate description. HIs business card supports that. (see photo in another thread)

  • NightKnight

    I believe he is just a guy who’s addicted to stupid ideology, but good at making money.

    There are rich people like him in China, mostly post-50s, 60s generation, who were brainwashed and kind of had their prime during the Mao’s era, they basically thank Chairman Mao for what they have today.

    • I think if he were brainwashed he would be poor, underprivileged, and unknown.

      • NightKnight

        Brainwashed doesn’t mean dumb, you can believe in bullshit ideology or religion and run a good business at the same time.

        • Dr Sun

          worked for the Knights Templar, The Knights of St. John, Works well for the Catholic church,the Taliban, the CPC, the Republican and Tea party and Freemasons still.

  • Freddi BuBu

    Only a Chinese guy can turn philanthropy into a tasteless show……

    • Dr Sun

      Guess you never watched “Jim’ll fix it” then.

      • Brian227

        Showing your age there, mate!

      • Commander Jameson

        Ugh, Saville.

        • Surfeit

          That’s what she said.

          (too far?)

    • mr.wiener

      I disagree with “only a Chinese guy”….stupidity is universal.

      • wnsk

        I disagree with equating stupidity with tastelessness. You can be smart, but still lack class.

        • Dr Sun

          Bill Clinton springs to mind for some reason

          • Surfeit

            Bill is the man!

          • Dr Sun

            Big cigar, but only a single shooter, so said Monika

  • alice.

    He’s not wrong to do it… just turning into something so the whole world knows that “i’m a good guy SEE”, doesn’t really help it :/ Maybe if he donated secretly (unlikely, i know), people would appreciate that he really cares lol.

    • Repatriated

      He’s just bored, unknown, and really wants some attention it seems. IMO, he’s probably adding to the homeless problem (giving an addict a free fix) more than helping. If he really wanted to help, why not make a big donation to one of the shelters that help homeless people…and do it anonymously.

      • Nessquick Choco

        because, no face gained that way

        :D

        • Repatriated

          Ya think?

          • Nessquick Choco

            think ? nooo. how to do that ?

    • wnsk

      if he donated secretly, people wouldn’t know of it and therefore won’t appreciate it. or is your definition of “secret” different from mine?

  • YourSupremeCommander

    The first brotha’s like: take that shit back son, I don’t want no fake Benjamin!

    • Mighty曹

      He’s like, ‘Fool, you can’t con a black man’.

  • Ruaraidh

    Yes send all the homeless to China. I heard they call them ‘ESL teachers’ in Mandarin.

    • 5,000 years of uncivilization

      It used to be a positive occupation when i first started… now i’m embarrassed when people ask me what i do. Do you think they look down on us? I’d love to return to Europe but my school says the students need me plus, the salary is quite good so like a migrant worker, i’m here for now. Is that good enough for the rest of society or do i need to be more?

      • Boris

        You need to paint your face blue and white, wear a skirt and should “FREEDOM!” from the top of your lungs in the classroom. then we can say that’s enough.

        • Dr Sun

          Are you Argentinian or Greek Boris , with the name Boris I guess Georgian ?

          • Boris

            That was a reference to Braveheart, a movie about Scots fighting the English. Pure fiction though.

            And I am neither Argentinian or Greek.
            Boris is just a nickname. I was told I look like a “Boris” and been called that eversince by that guy.

          • Dr Sun

            Oh Ok, I though you had painted your painted your face blue and white and cried “FREEDOM” as the Russians stormed through your country.

          • Boris

            I thought in Russia, Freedom cries you?

          • Dr Sun

            I don’t know, your the Russian, you tell us.

          • Boris

            Not all Borises are from Russia.

          • Jahar

            With the name Dr Sun, are you an MD or a PhD, and are you Chinese, or a giant ball of burning gas that the Earth is orbiting around?

          • Dr Sun

            both PhD and MD, little ball of gas that Trolls seem to revolve around, at least on here.

      • David

        Come on, I find it hard to beleive you can’t find a better paying job. Our school pays better than most (16,000 Yuan/month in Wuxi which is not expensive like Shanghai) but that is still nothing compared to what the engineers here make and much lower than the average job in the U.S. pays. if your only doing it for a paycheck, I can see why your embarrassed. Why would you do something your not proud of? Life is too short. There are a lot of jobs out there; being a teacher is a career for people who love to teach young minds. Doesn’t matter if your doing it here or in your home country, everyday teaching is a lot of hard work for little pay but great benefits in terms of the kids that you educate.

        • Dr Sun

          16,000 a month, I had to check that out, searched the Esl recruitment sites .What I found was public schools/universities, the pay is very low 3000 to 10,000 depending on location,experience and qualifications but you get a place to live, and teach only 12-16 hours per week.

          The Private schools on the other hand pay more but few offer housing and many required 30-40 hours of time in the classroom per week, plus office time equaling around a 50-60 hour week. Plus when you dig deeper many do not provide a apt or a work permit, all for a salary of 10,000 plus.

          Zhejiang province I found only 1 job offering more than 10,000, the vast majority being in the 4000 to 6000 range.

          http://www.anesl.com/schools/search.asp?salary=6000&updays=&jobtitle=&keyword=&type=any&province=Zhejiang&school_type=any&cmd=Search

          • JabroniZamboni

            If you are an industrious person with a good teaching pedigree you can make much more money than that. Working for yourself is the key to being financially successful as a teacher in this country.

          • Dr Sun

            I’m sure it is, but thats not relevant to David’s post or my reply to him.

            Whats a teaching pedigree ?

          • JabroniZamboni

            The word is not used in the literal sense here. It is an idiomatic expression of sorts, used as an adjective would be to express a high level of experience or training in whatever field of expertise you wish to use it with.

          • Dr Sun

            Are you trying to baffle my mind with ESL and linguistic gobbly gook ?

          • JabroniZamboni

            Ruh oh. You said gook. Lacism. Sexular lacism imo.

          • David

            I think he means that many people who teach ESL in China are simply young people who happen to have been born in an English speaking country. That is their only qualification, sometimes with a 4 year university degree (in any subject). This is opposed to somebody who has advanced degrees and training/experience in education from an accredited university. For instance in our school we only hire people with teaching certification (normally an extra year or two in school practicing teaching for this), at least two years of full time experience and TEFL (or similar) certification.

          • Dr Sun

            thanks

          • ex-expat

            While that is often the case, there are schools out there that pay quite well. I wasn’t a teacher myself, but I knew several that made over 20,000 in Beijing.

          • JabroniZamboni

            20 000 is not that much. I know I sound like Ron Popeil… however there are teachers here making more than great salaries. I’m not only talking foreigners. A top tier Chinese math teacher can charge 300 to 500 rmb per student/hour, with 4 to 5 students in a class. If you are good
            at what you do…..

          • ex-expat

            Right I was talking about English only though. I agree that when you get into other subjects it goes up more. Hell I was teaching tennis and making around 30,000.

          • JabroniZamboni

            You can make more with English. The people who generally complain about the salaries here are unqualified and dealing in basic phonics. Get a kid into a good school….

          • ex-expat

            You mean make more through English with actual teaching positions or freelancing, etc? I didn’t think there were English jobs out there that paid more than, say, a science teacher at an international school.

          • JabroniZamboni

            These are not jobs. You can’t be lazy and look on the internet for a posting, or get an agent. If you can teach SAT or TOEFL properly, sky is the limit. You have to be good though. You could fake a month, but in the end the only way to succeed is with results. “Who is the guy who helped your son/daughter….”. With a simple referral based business, anything is possible. It is a crap shoot, because no matter how good of a teacher you are, you are somewhat only as good as your students. Stick to international school kids.;)

          • Dr Sun

            Not much for a “Duck” 鸭子

          • ex-expat

            If you are going to troll, please don’t respond to any of my posts.

          • Dick Leigh

            Try and schmooze with some rich people if your Chinese is up to the task. I tutored English to my boyfriend’s boss and thankfully, my boyfriend negotiated the compensation because I would have never suggested 400 an hour. I was shocked that he agreed.

          • JabroniZamboni

            I don’t need new business. 400 rmb was my price a year and a half ago:p

          • Pharenheit

            Working for yourself is the key to being financially successful in general i’d say.

          • David

            Hardly. I work at a Korean International school and all of our teachers (Korean and Western) get paid the same. It is higher than most teachers IN CHINA but even a starting teacher fresh out of school in America makes 35K/year and with a simple masters and 5-6 years of teaching your making 65-75K/year and great benefits (not to mention your in your own country, near your family and friends and a union that will protect your job even if caught screwing the principal). We work normal school hours (8:30-4:30) teach 4 classes a day (the rest of the time is used for lesson planing) and are out of school 3 months of the year (like in most of the world). I am not complaining but you would be crazy to do this FOR THE MONEY. Do it to see Asia, to expose yourself to a new culture, to help students get a top rate education or as a way to push and improve yourself as a teacher yes. For the money? No. Not saying it does not happen but I think most people who are QUALIFIED to be a real teacher (not just an English tutor because you were born in an English speaking country) have much better options available to them for just money. BTW despite offering good pay and bonuses I still have a hard time finding qualified teachers. I have been looking for three new ones for the coming fall semester and am still looking after a month.

          • Dr Sun

            I’ll take your word for it

          • David

            Well, one wife (the one I have) is plenty enough for me (no mistresses). I sold one of my cars before I came to China and I live in a two bedroom rented apartment next to my school (short walk). The 16,000/month (14,000 after taxes) allows me to eat decent and travel during my holidays. However, remember for people who are not living permanently in China (I been here for almost two years), things cost so much more. My housing cost 3200/month. Anything imported cost 10X what the lower quality Chinese equivalent is (if I could speak and read Chinese to find it). For instance a bag of western style potato chips cost 35 yuan at the store that carries some western food. I easily spend 3000-4000/month on food like pasta, cheese, beef, salami and other western foodstuffs (not to mention candy for my students) that Chinese generally do not make a high demand for. When I make blueberry muffins for co-workers it costs me 50 RMB in ingredients. If I make a lasagna for my students it cost me 150 yuan and a cheesecake cost me even more. We bought a turkey for Thanksgiving last year and they charged me 600 RMB. I am not complaining, I am simply saying that China gets all its money back in taxes and high prices on goods. So I am not living like a king (which is OK, that is not why I came to China).

          • Kai

            Heh, I think Dr. Sun was employing hyperbole with that last paragraph.

            Anyway, I don’t remember where you are but Western-style potato chips shouldn’t be hard to find forcing you to pay 35 RMB for a bag. A large bag of Lays is maybe like 7 RMB. Unless there’s a specific brand or flavor that isn’t available in China that you must have, I wouldn’t pay 35 RMB for an imported bag of chips.

            LoL, totally empathize with you on anything involving cheese.

          • David

            Yea, Chinese do not really seem to big fans of most western style cheese (although friends I introduce it to seem to like it). At Metro (in Wuxi) the Lays regular (non flavored in a yellow bag) cost 35 yuan. I see other Lays in the Chinese stores with English and Chinese writing but most are really unusual flavors (because I assume the Chinese like them) like cucumber. The flavors that I know (like BBQ) are not REALLY the flavors that I know, so I don’t eat a Lot of chips (LOL not necessarily a bad thing). Western style bread is another thing Chinese don’t really seem to like around me and can only be gotten at special shops for pretty high prices. Again I do realize I live much better than the average Chinese but I am not the average Chinese, I am a foreign specialist asked to come here to do a very specific job for my Korean school.

          • Kai

            Yeah, cheese is awesome! I think it’s at least getting more popular in the first-tier cities where there’s more internationalization and cosmopolitizing. I’m in Shanghai so I’m luckier than you in this regard.

            I’m not in Wuxi so I dunno. It’s entirely possible the market price for Lays there reflects the market demand and cost there. Is it 35 RMB or thereabouts wherever you go? Does the Metro have an imported section and a non-imported section? For example, Carrefours here in Shanghai have imported chips and non-imported chips in different parts of the supermarket.

            Yeah, there are some weird flavors for chips in China. Some I don’t even dare try. I like the original flavor and the one in the blue colored bag, which I think is meat sauce? I forget. Taste is subjective so whatevers. And yeah, probably a good thing to not eat a lot of chips. I have a pretty sedentary lifestyle since I work behind a computer and my metabolism has slowed down so…

            I hear you about the bread and again, I probably have it better than you do here in Shanghai. In Shanghai, it’s pretty feasible to live a foreign lifestyle but you’ll definitely be paying foreign prices and sometimes even more. If you can adapt a bit more to living like the average Chinese (I’m thinking in terms of dining and using products that are just as functional if not a Western brand), you can definitely live better than the average Chinese does. However, I get your point about how your Western lifestyle needs eat up into the money you make above the average Chinese.

            LONG LIVE CHEESE!

            …which is also really fattening. Sigh.

          • David

            lol

          • Dick Leigh

            You know what the sad but weird thing is? When I first reluctantly started looking for cheese in China, I was pleasantly surprised. Cheese is cheaper than in Canada! And the cheese is international! You can have Irish cheese one week, English the next and it all tastes decent.

            Whereas in Canada, you can generally only eat expensive Canadian cheese because imported cheese generally has tariffs of 200%.

            Summary: Canada is Cheese Hell.

          • JabroniZamboni

            Where from Canada are you from. You don’t know cheese. The shit you buy here isn’t cheese, that Irish factory cheese doesn’t fit the bill either.

            Cheaper here? Where did you shop back home. Maybe processed low quality cheese is cheaper, but anything of quality is most certainly not.

          • David

            lol sorry to hear that. I will say at the international market they have a bit of a selection but it is still very expensive. and getting something simple like mozzarella is hard. They only have a huge block of like 10kg (for businesses I guess) and small bags, Cheddar I can get in about a 3 KG block that lasts me a month or two but mozz is tough. I think I will need to order the mozzarella on-line. That is where I get my cream cheese now. Australian cream cheese. But I do love my Irish butter

          • JabroniZamboni

            Can buy here and ship. You pay:p

            http://www.nogogo.cn/

            When I am lazy i use this. Foreign products galore. Cheaper than OLE (the high priced vanguard), and delivered to my door for free same day.

          • Rick in China

            I order chips from waifood.com (I think it’s Chengdu only).. surely where you live must have equivalent — kettle chips are 23rmb/bag and taste great :D

          • David

            I like kettle chips. But even 23 RMB is almost $4 for a small bag of chips. In the states a LARGE family size cost maybe $2.99. Not the worst problem to have in the world I guess. I will check out the website.

          • Dick Leigh

            Do you go to Shanghai often? If you do, you should know that the Wuxi metro passes work on the Shanghai subway too! That should make any Shanghai cheese expeditions less painful.

          • David

            I am not sure what you mean. The Wuxi subway just opened and it does go to Metro, although I live in new district so no subway stop for me this year. Easier just to keep taking a taxi. I don’t go to Shanghai very much, except when I visited the museums last year. Other than that it is usually only one day when departing or coming back from a flight.

          • Dick Leigh

            I mean the electronic passes for the bus and subway system. They work on the Shanghai subway too.

          • David

            awwww I was not aware of that. I have a bus card for Wuxi that works in the taxis here but I have never tried them in Shanghai. I always just buy a ticket at the machine for the subway or drop coins for the bus.

          • Dick Leigh

            I -think- they also work in Suzhou? I can’t remember though, but those cards definitely make getting around less of a hassle.

          • Jahar

            He’s not talking style, he’s talking import. At an IGA theatre import shop, it’s about that for a large bag of Doritos.

          • Kai

            I was echoing what he himself said:

            For instance a bag of western style potato chips cost 35 yuan at the store that carries some western food.

            I believed he was talking about imported chips as well. That’s why I wrote:

            Unless there’s a specific brand or flavor that isn’t available in China that you must have, I wouldn’t pay 35 RMB for an imported bag of chips.

            @Silntthnkr:disqus

            I went to a higher-end supermarket earlier tonight and saw some 30 RMB Lays with flavors we can find in the States like Barbeque and Salt and Vinegar. The bags themselves had “For Export” printed on them and all the text was in English except for a sticker applied over the nutrition facts with Chinese information (as required for imported goods I imagine). I’m guessing your 35 RMB chips are definitely imported and was earlier just wondering if you’re also able to find the domestic market Lays or even Pringles which would be cheaper (and they should have the basic original flavors as well). Cheers.

          • JabroniZamboni

            Living a stone’s throw away from Hong Kong is a godsend. We are truly lucky here, albeit the prices are through the roof for imported goods on the mainland.

            I stuff deli meats and steaks in my underpants through customs on my HK day-trips. :p

            In Shenzhen, you can pretty much find anything. You will pay a high price, and have to jaunt around 3 different stores on opposite sides of town at times for a run of the mill recipe.

            I am jealous of those housing prices, nevertheless, they are still a pittance to western costs for a decent place. You do get more for your money back home in regards to things such as space.

          • David

            True. But it has been more than twenty years since I rented an apartment so it did take some getting used to. My home back in the states is a 4000 square foot two story with an attached three car garage on 1 acre of land in the suburbs of Chicago (yes, I am sure Dr. Sun is cursing me now). But lets face it guys, if you go from a ramshackle crap home back home to a nice apartment in China your really not giving anything up to be here. I guess I appreciate somebody more who actually is making some sacrifice to be here because it is something they believe in (I mean as a teacher or doctor or some other giving profession. In a normal job you should go where you get paid the most and are treated the best). Now I am certainly not a saint, I live comfortably and travel during my school break time to see other parts of China and Asia (going to Vietnam and Cambodia this summer to see the Mekong delta area villages and Angkor Wat) but if that was all I wanted I could have done it while living in the States.
            Jabroni, I remember first getting here and playing ‘where can I find FILL-IN-THE-BLANK”. Took me four months to find a spring loaded pan to make cheesecakes but my co-workers and students really appreciate it (of course I hate buying things I have already in the states, but that is how it goes).

          • JabroniZamboni

            I’m paying 7000 RMB a month for a 105 sq meter apt. It’s not crazy expensive compared to cheaper alternatives. The condition of most apartment units here is absurd. The amount of dirt, the amount of cleaning required (1 week!!!!) to make them livable boggles my mind (Oh the grease, dust and cockroaches!!! Cleaning your home is not a once a month activity my Chinese friends!!!).

            What Chinese don’t understand about us, or do and feel slight pangs of jealousy, is that westerners above the age of 25 (I’m 35) will not live in horrible conditions. This is why we must command a higher salary to compensate for the drop in standard of living we will face coming here.

            We need a real bathroom. We need a safe place, preferably gated with adequate security. Every foreigner I have know that has decided to go to cheap “walk up apartment with no elevator or boans” have been robbed on a frequent basis. It is simply unwise for us to live in such conditions. We are targeted on a daily basis by mongrels that assume we are “rich” because of the passport we hold. The police does nothing in this country, therefore we must pay more to live with an adequate degree of peace of mind.

            As for finding foreign goodies? I am once again lucky considering my location. I don’t think I would be able to live in another part of the country. My excursions to Beijing, Changsha, Chengdu, and Guangzhou were not good experiences. Shanghai is a great city, that I will fully concur with.

            For a totalitarian government, it is astounding how little actual policing, or how little attempts are to try and clean this place up in regards to the shady lawlessness and shameless corruption rampant everywhere in this country.

            I’m all over the place, and this is a rant. Forgive me. I just am full of China rage at the moment because of being told by KFC that they had no chicken. How is that possible (yes, I know it is shit, but after working 6 days a week, can’t a guy not have to leave the house and drink beer in his underwear?). They had chicken. It was just” nap time”. The concept of a 2 hour “nap time” astounds me in this fast paced world that we live in. Incredible, you can’t be number one if you need nap time.

            Once again…sorry for the venting. RAGE RAGE RAGE.

            I once ordered a Big Mac and got bread, sauce, no beef. Only in China.

          • David

            Well, last year I was paying 3200 RMB for a three bedroom nicely furnished western style apartment. This year I got a Chinese friend to help me look and am down to 2600 RMB/month for a two bedroom high quality apartment that looks out over my school. I kept the last place very very clean (an AI who comes in three times a week for two hours helps when it only cost 300 RMB/month) and still had to argue for three hours with the landlord for most of my deposit back when I left. 7000 RMB is like Beijing or Shanghai rent. Crazy. If I had to spend that on rent I could not spend as much on my students or do the charity work I do (never mind research). I guess I will stay in Wuxi for now and forget about the potato chips. lol

          • JabroniZamboni

            Shenzhen is a tier 2 city by definition only (most salaries here are higher than tier 1 cities…) Still cheaper/better than Hong Kong. The rents in HK are hilarious for the shittiest apartments. You also make less money there.

            A little trick for when the landlord tries to screw you out of the deposit (which happens more than it doesn’t). Say that you want to make a case with the building association, and ask them if they paid their property taxes.

            They almost never do. They don’t want that heat and will hand over the money with Usain Bolt like speed.

          • David

            Yea, what is it with not paying their dues? Both apartments I have rented I have gotten notices from the association that they have not paid their dues in like a year. In the U.S> not paying your association dues can get you evicted much quicker than not paying your mortgage.

          • JabroniZamboni

            If you rent, you have to pay the management fees in China. You do not have to pay the property taxes, the owner does.

            You got the notices, because you didn’t pay.

          • David

            No, my contracts stated plainly they are responsible for the fees. That is one of the things we haggled about before signing them. I only want to pay the rent and utilities. They are responsible for everything else. In fact I just got another notice and we called the owner and he will come pick it up this week (don’t know if he will pay but he will pick up the notice lol). Also, me department head wants tomove into my apartment wen I leave next year (it is nicer and cheaper than hers) so I can hold that over the owners head if he tries to rip me off of my deposit when I move. If he treats me like that she will never rent it (I am worried because he wanted two months rent for deposit and that is never a good sign but I refused and walked away. I was halfway down the stairs when the agent caught me to tell me one month was fine).

          • JabroniZamboni

            2 months deposit is actually very standard in most of Asia. Korea it is more at times. Foreigners do skip out of their obligations and break shit. It is just being prudent on their part.

            The hold things over her head thing might work there, but not here. The place will be rented within a week or 2. The demand is through the rough.

            As far as the fees, they are to cover the employees to keep the garden clean, as well as the boans and maintenance crews. These should be your responsibility, simply because they pick up your garbage, protect your things, and come to your house to repair anything in minutes if it is fucked.

            I only pay 250 rmb. Last week I had a problem with the air conditioner. It was fixed within 20 minutes. Pretty cheap imo.

          • David

            Nothing is repaired at my place. If things get messed up, I have to pay to get it repaired. Here one month deposit is standard. It sounds like things are pretty different here than there. I have eight foreign teachers working under me and all have about the same rental agreement (only the price for the level of comfort varies). The owners in this area know that if they rent the apartment to Chinese tenets they will get much less rent than a foreigner paying. The demand in Wuxi is not like it is in a tier 1 city (we are tier 3) I am familiar with rental agreements in Korea as I have lived there and of course all the Korean teachers are from there.
            and we talk about it. But the renting there is different. You put down a LOT of money up front but you basically paying the who years rent as a deposit. Each month they take off what you owe and when you leave (assuming there is no damage) you will have no problem getting the rest of your money back. I have known several teachers here who have lost their deposit for no good reason other than the owners really do consider it theirs to keep.

          • JabroniZamboni

            The 250 a month is worth it just for the repairs and the doorman. No rats allowed in the building or the gated community. Peace of mind has no value.

            Renting in Bundang-gu might cost a lot of up front money, but a nice place (not the shitholes) in Itaewon or the surrounding areas will only ask for a 2 to 4 month deposit (or key money) so long as the place is not spanking new. If it has furniture, yes it is more.

            Edit: Once again…threaten to report them for non payment of taxes. Anyone willing to rip off strangers is highly doubtful to be honest enough to pay the tax man.

          • Guest

            I guess my previous long winded post was axed.:(

          • Jahar

            How much is a turkey in the US? I’m trying to remember the price in Canada to compare, but I never actually bought one.

          • ex-expat

            It depends on certain things, but I just read an article from 2012 that cited averages around $1.60 a pound. Sliced turkey I believe is around $7 – $8 a pound.

          • David

            Ex has it right although you can get them around Thanksgiving for about $.99/pound on sale. So your average 7KG bird (a medium one like I bought) is about $16-$20 depending on if it is on sale or not. Therefore, the frozen one I got (actually got it in Suzhou and it was the only one they had) was about 4.5X that cost, plus going to Suzhou and back to get it. : ) But as I have said, I am not complaining, it is good to be pushed sometimes out of your comfort zone (especially if your older and you have enjoyed some level of success in the past it is easy to go soft). I really do just look at it as keeping me on my toes (like trying not to step in dirty water while waling in the rain or getting a repairman to actually fix something the first time you pay him lol). and compared to the non-monetary advantages (the research I get to do here in my free time, the traveling around China and Asia and the great time I have with my students) the money is really the least reason to come here.

          • Dick Leigh

            I’m so jealous you have an oven! SO JEALOUS.

          • David

            Yea and it is BIG almost as big as one back in the states, not like most little Chinese ovens. Got it from an ex-pat who was moving back to the states. She bought it in Cambodia or Indonesia or some place else. I guess I will pass it on when I go back to Chicago next year. I can cook a full turkey and it has a rotisserie for a chicken. But honestly I mostly use it for baking or making casseroles (scalloped potatoes, lasagna and other pan dishes). I have been teaching my Chinese friend how to bake and she is now getting requests from her friend to make them cheese cakes and muffins. lol it would be funnier if she did not have to come over here all the time to use my oven. But it is good cultural exchange I guess. Lord knows when I leave she will have to break down and buy one of her own.

          • Dick Leigh

            I can vouch for this. When I was an English teacher in Wuxi I shopped around at a few places looking for the best pay and and that was NOT Jiangnan University (offered 7000). The best pay was in private education for children, which surprised me and the best wage offer was a lego/kindergarten thing that was offering 16,000 a month.

        • Alphy

          Ahh… you are kidding right? 16,000 and you think that’s still nothing compare with an Engineer job in China? Have you seen job post in China? I hire Engineers, and know that even in Shanghai that’s pretty high pay. Are you accounting all the benefits and taxes that they have to usually pay for a Chinese worker? That’s around 40% extra in pay.

          • David

            I am aware it is much more than the average Chinese person makes, but I am not Chinese. Do you hire Chinese Engineers or foreign Engineers? My nephew is an Engineer for Exxon (He is American). Only three years out of graduate school and he makes about $75,000/year whether he is in Mexico for a year, Indonesia (just left there) or China for a year. Most of the Engineers I know here are German or Japanese and make much more than me. BTW I ran my own company (for profit, sorry Dr. Sun lol) for almost 20 years before I was able to retire at 45 to do what I loved and become a teacher. So no matter what, I am certainly not doing it for the money (and sorry Dr. Sun my boozing it up and chasing tail days are about 15 years behind me). Just saying most people who are actual teachers do it for reasons that have nothing to do with money (of course they need and like money to live so more is not bad).

          • Alphy

            That’s nice that you are doing what you love, and I hope people back off at criticizing English Teachers in China.

            If you are comparing Engineers from the States then of course its much higher than a teacher’s pay, especially one that can speak Chinese and work overseas. It is rare to find a highly competent Engineer that also has good language skills. Engineers that we hire in the States are around the range you mentioned for around 2-5 years of experience depending on the type of Engineers could even be higher. However for China local Engineers they get around 5k to 8k RMB for 2-5 years of experience, which is around $12,000/year USD and that’s in the bigger cities.

          • JabroniZamboni

            That is crazy. Doctors are severely underpaid as well. Teachers must be at a little bit more of a premium, because even a Chinese public school teacher makes more. I’m not weighing both jobs against one another, however, a good engineer needed a good teacher before he filled his current role.

            It is completely the other way around in the west. Even a very qualified teacher will make a garbage salary (factoring cost of living and the standards of the country). as compared to what they can make here. It is not a concept limited to westerners by a long shot.

            Edit: When you see some of the “engineering” here….:p

          • Alphy

            Ahh it’s not the other way around in China neither. Regular local teachers get pay less than Engineers, I don’t know which school you are referring to but public school teachers don’t get pay well unless you are counting the extra cash they get from tutoring. Foreign teachers are pay well because they are in high demand, and westerners won’t work for the local wages. Most teachers get somewhere around $8,000/year.

          • JabroniZamboni

            I disagree. If you have been working in a top public school in Shenzhen for more than 5 years, they get:

            -A nice living expense allowance or an apartment.

            -15 to 18 000 rmb/month plus certain great insurance benefits. (Their summer vacation pay is higher than those of international schools).

            -Interest free loans/reduced interest loans(dependent on the loan) because of the status of their position.

            -Full pension at 50. Full. Full. Full.

            China values it’s homegrown teachers in the right environment.;)

          • Dr Sun

            only if their on the list maybe.

            worth mentioning Shenzhen is 3rd most expensive city in China.

          • JabroniZamboni

            Why is it worth mentioning? The list? Expand or come on man…:p

            Cite your sources?

            It is expensive as compared to the rest of China, however in regards to the west the cost of living is a bit of a joke. I don’t mean this in a bad way.

            To be able to actually bank (save) the money I can here back home, I would need to make double.

          • Dr Sun

            Are you saying that you don”t know know what being “on the list” means ?

            Its worth mentioning because 18k in Shenzhen is like 3k in much nicer parts of china, with better conditions, less crime, better food and way less pollution, which are way cheaper..

          • JabroniZamboni

            In my country it means that you can get into to the club with the prettiest kitties sans paying.

            I’m assuming you mean Schindler’s list? Elaborate for this lao wai.

            Also what source did you use for “top 3 most expensive city”? I’m just curious.

          • Dr Sun

            In means in simplistic terms that you are CPC, have the right GunXi and payed your dues (if you know what I mean)

          • JabroniZamboni

            Naw. That is bullshit. (I speak from personal experience btw, I’m not pulling nubers out of my ass.) This place is most certainly the most corrupt place I’ve ever lived, but there are some Chinese that make it based on their skill and dedication. That sounds a tad green ifyaknawhaimean.

            Now as per my curiosity, would you elaborate on the rest. I’m genuinely curious.

          • Dr Sun

            No bullshit there dude and I shit you not.

            There’s a book called “Chinese Characteristics” A.H.Smith, 9 rmb from china amazon, fantastic, a must read for all coming to China. Pretty much a survival guide for the new expat, to prevent them them becoming a bitter and twisted expat.

            Once your past that another great read is “my country,my people”YuTang.

            the final way is to immerse yourself, only expats that live and work, are married to Chinese can do it, those that continue to crave and eat western foods, seek western company and judge China from a western eye will never achieve it.

            They are just the temp work tourists who will never understand China or its people.

          • JabroniZamboni

            It is. I can attest to it. Your lack of elaboration is simply a lack of knowledge; akin to the poor kid looking through the window of the well off family eating a lovely Christmas dinner. Bad choices are your burden,

          • Dr Sun

            Dude i’m not your teacher, read it for yourself, get off your ass and out of that gutter called Shenzhen and discover the real China for yourself, it is much…much..much better..
            You sound like pretty much all the foreigner frogs at the bottom of their first/second tier city wells looking up, bitching, but saying I know “China” my well..

          • JabroniZamboni

            Socialism is working out well for you.

            Nor does editing your posts ad nauseam and expecting people to f5 to death in anticipation..

            I’m married and staying here. I don’t need tips. I seem to be excelling in much less time.

            I’m not trying to flame you man, but being so limp-wristed and vague just reeks of someone who isn’t sure of themselves. I can personally attest that much of what you say is a farce. You are doing a disservice to your people.

            They can succeed without being on the list.

            I’m sorry you aren’t “on the list”.

            We should stop craving western foods? Have you seen the unsanitary conditions of some of the local fare? Clean hotel food will run the same price as western food. We come from different worlds. I don’t believe I am being disrespectful to China if I can be man enough to admit that I cannot lower certain standards that have been implanted in me from being raised in a G7 country.

            I’m not a missionary.

          • Dr Sun

            yes, no complaints.

          • JabroniZamboni

            Check my 45 edits.

            I’m Canadian btw. We are more socialist than China.

          • Dr Sun

            troll

          • JabroniZamboni

            We actually take care of our people. Wasn’t Marxism about the people?;)

          • Dick Leigh

            … I have to agree with this. Explaining how the health system works in Canada is guaranteed to blow the minds of most Chinese within earshot.

          • Dr Sun

            there you go , blew yourself out of the water, and so fast
            .
            Strike 1- There’s no way you can be “on the list” your not Chinese
            Strike 2- you very clearly don’t know what Gunxi is or its role in just about everything.
            Strike 3- cannot open your mind.

            My advice don’t come to china, in fact don’t live in anywhere but a G7 country, you will be disappointed.

            Unlike you I don’t measure success as making as much money for myself at the expense of others, cheating, stealing, chopping and lining my pockets, but if it works for you, go for it.
            Btw don’t ever say that what I say is a farce, because I tell you something boy, I have been around more blocks than you have seen, in more continents than you have and have lived in china probably since before you graduated high school.

          • JabroniZamboni

            You know me so well. Mom?

            You think that making 500 USD can make you live like a “God”, I’m sorry, checkmate.

            Only 2 years in China. A few years back I spent 2 years in Seoul, I graduated high school last week.

            They paid me 500$

            I’ve never traveled with my Canadian passport because too many countries have Visa restrictions for us. I’ve never been anywhere. Not even China.

            I never implied being “on the list”. To be honest I think it is bullshit, Connections are number 1, but there is no list with some ayi with a red arm band guarding it, Connections run the world. Some industrious Chinese still can succeed without them.

          • JabroniZamboni

            You are taking the piss. 500 USD is nothing like 3000 USD in any city. Nongmin economics

          • Dr Sun

            spoken like someone that has never left a very expensive, overpriced city.
            Dude you can live like a pauper on 18k in Shenzhen or you can live like a god on 3k in Shangri-la , its up to you.

          • JabroniZamboni

            Spoken like someone who has never truly lived. You aren’t living well for 500 USD a month anywhere in the world. Sorry, I think we share much different standards as to what defines adequate living.

            How can you live like a “God” and have no real future?

            I am also guessing you have 0 experience about anything we are talking about and simply feeling misguided pride at not living in a place conducive to being successful.

            Do you still live with your parents?

          • Dr Sun

            truly spoken like someone who has yet to experience life or figure out what living is about.
            If you think $ = happiness, you my friend are in for a long, sad, unfulfilled life.

          • JabroniZamboni

            My son is due in 2 months. Money doesn’t equal happiness, however I have a family to feed.

            My son will be half Chinese. It is important to me that this reflects upon his knowledge and appreciation for his culture. This country may not be perfect, I may complain, but in the long run; I am here for the long run. At least 5 more years. It can be a great place. Things are just really wonky.

            Fulfillment may not be bought in most cases, however financial freedom alleviates the stresses of life to a relatively good extent. No stress, longer life. I’m 35, I’m not planning to work forever. You can enjoy your job as well.

          • Alphy

            So yeah I guess it depends on the school, but I did just ask my friend who’s a Shanghai high school teacher, and he have never heard of such a high pay, and want you to introduce to him the school you mention lol. He already have 4 years of teaching experience and he gets about a third of what you are claiming. Of course most teachers supplement that with tutoring, but ya he is not an English teacher.

          • Guest

            Not in Shenzhen. A top 5 public school (they do rank them, parents will pay more to live in the areas of the schools because you need an address in the area to attend them. This really drives up the rent.) 8k is nothing here.

          • Rick in China

            About the engineers pay thing – local *software* engineers in Chengdu typically earn between 8k-15k at ‘intermediate’ level, which in China means 2-4yrs experience, if they’re any good, and can get a job at a foreign company (which means they also typically speak good English), at least at my last and current company. It’s actually really good when factoring in cost of living and the pay/cost of living in many western countries for people with equal experience, people here are often considered intermediate much faster (2-4 years exp, in many foreign countries is between junior and intermediate at good companies).

          • Alphy

            Yep Software Engineer does get pay more, it’s the same in US as well. I would say if you account for the bonus you are probably talking about 8-10k average. Normally you wouldn’t hit 15k range until you have 6+ year under your belt or that you are in a very niche field. I’ve just hired several software Engineers in Shanghai and I doubt that Chengdu’s pay is higher than here, and the company I work for is WFOE in China.

          • Rick in China

            Yeah you’re right – over 10 in Chengdu typically means the person has been vetted and can be hired in at least a strong intermediate role.. I should have clarified more about the average being on the low end of that spectrum and the exceptions being on the high..

          • Jahar

            So you are asking him why he’s an english teacher and not an engineer? Why not ask why he isnt a doctor?

          • David

            No, I am making the point that if he only wanted to make money, there are much better paying places to work than China (even if you still wanted to teach English, if you did it in the Middle east you would make twice the salary).

        • cloud9

          Isn’t it less than 50K for an Engineer ?

        • 5,000 years of uncivilization

          Actually, i’m not complaining about the money. It’s this new stigma that foreign teachers in China are all losers. I’ve never been a proud person so i don’t mind the work. In fact, i usually enjoy it. I just don’t see why i should feel bad about being a teacher in China. It’s as if suddenly, because some assholes look down on ESL teachers, i’m not good enough for them or the rest of society. What should i do then?

          • Kai

            It’s not a new stigma. A lot of “foreign teachers” in China ARE “losers”, often in the sense that they actually aren’t qualified teachers and seem to winging the job just to fund their other–sometimes questionable–activities in China.

            A big part of why they aren’t qualified teachers is because there are Chinese people (and sometimes other non-Chinese people) willing to hire unqualified teachers, and that’s on them.

            Still, it takes two to tango. Both sides are willingly entering into such an arrangement to make money off of the biases and ignorance of Chinese parents.

            You shouldn’t feel bad about being a teacher in China unless you do. If you do, there may be an element of a guilty conscience involved. You feel bad because you’re doing something some part of your conscience doesn’t agree with. Maybe you don’t feel qualified and thus you feel you’re being exploitive and that doesn’t sit well with some part of your morality. That you feel that way may say something good about your conscience. That you can rationlize what you do and override your conscience is another thing.

            The generalizations and stereotyping of foreign teachers in China is as objectionable as the generalizations and stereotyping of Chinese people. Part of it is that there are some bad apples ruining it for the rest. Part of it is that some people are being judgemental, contemptuous, self-righteous, and ultimately bigoted.

            There’s irony and hypocrisy in you chafing at the prejudice you get as an English teacher in China and your history of prejudiced comments against China and the Chinese. If you want people to give you more respect and benefit of the doubt, you should extend it to others.

          • fabulous

            Can it be that you officially hand in your “Always Views An Issue With Impartiality” card now?

            “A lot of “foreign teachers” in China ARE “losers”, often in the sense
            that they actually aren’t qualified teachers and seem to winging the job
            just to fund their other–sometimes questionable–activities in China.”
            A lot of foreign teachers are losers…
            They are losers because they aren’t actually qualified…

            There are foreign teachers who are genuine losers. Socks with sandals. Pick up a wife, then swap her on arrival. Going to reform a pro until he found out his mate was doing the same. “I’m not a racist; my girlfriend’s Chinese!” “I’m going to get Chinese citizenship!” Buying puppies, then giving them to restaurants when they stop being cute. Singlets to class.

            But most of the anti-ESL vitriol I see on ChinaSMACK seems to be from people who wish they could get away with it. I have to behave because of _________, so it is wrong that they don’t. I had to study for 4 years to get here, so it is wrong that they didn’t. I have to be honest to women, which makes it hard to get laid, so it is wrong that they don’t. I have to wear a button-up shirt to my workplace, so it is wrong that they don’t.

            In conclusion; I’m being sarcastic and ironic; so if you feel bad about what I have written it is probably from your guilty conscience. It would be hypocritical to argue with this.

          • Kai

            You’re getting ahead of yourself. What I said isn’t partial, it’s a characterization of a situation/phenomenon. I was explaining one reason why people think “a lot of ‘foreign teachers’ ARE losers”. I then speculated about why some people might feel bad about being a teacher in China.

            Frankly, I don’t think people should feel bad for doing something they have full faith and confidence in. I agreed with David’s comment that you shouldn’t care what others think as long as you’re happy with and find value in what you’re doing. But if you do feel bad about something, then there MAY indeed be an element of a guilty conscience involved.

            As for anti-ESL “vitriol” on cS and who they are from, I haven’t gotten the same impression you have of what kind of people are behind the “vitriol”. Sure, I can definitely imagine some of them sour-graping it. I think overall however it is just that some “teachers” are ruining it for the others and the people judging them are often indulging in generalization and stereotyping if not contemptuous arrogance and prejudice. People are using “English teacher” as shorthand for those people who in their eyes are up to no good, and that’s definitely unfair to all the other English teachers, qualified or not, who are trying to do a good job and be decent people living their lives.

            How am I not viewing this issue with impartiality? I think I’ve acknowledged various aspects that should be acknwoledged.

            Finally, to be fair, socks with sandals don’t mark someone as a loser. It was a fashion trend in the 90s, for some reason, just like butthuggers are now.

          • fabulous

            Dammit. I thought I had finally pegged you for the secretly partial commentator I know you secretly to be, but you Kaid your way out of it. If I keep arguing this point we will just end up at, “people read things in different ways”, and nobody wants to waste time down that alley.
            I will just have to satisfy myself that you have outed yourself as a socks-with-sandals apologist.

          • Kai

            Heh, I have my biases and I am partial to things. They just may not be what you think they are, and I just try to do a good job of checking them when I engage in more serious discussion.

            I can be just as politically incorrect and casually offensive as anyone here, but only when I’m with people whom I trust to know the limits of such jokes and remarks, who know me, what my beliefs are, and thus what I really mean. cS with its large, diverse community of people who don’t really know each other engaging in public conversation that can be overheard by all is not really such a place.

            Don’t be hating the socks-with-sandles. I remember the look, those black Speedo sandles with the nubs for “massage” and white socks. They were cool at one time. :)

          • 5,000 years of uncivilization

            I agree that many so called “ESL teachers” are up to no good but it’s always important not to generalize. I really like Chinese people but i often find them difficult to understand. If i make an observation, it doesn’t mean i’m being racist. I always try to set a good example even if people don’t realize it. I hope others will do the same but no one can be perfect.

          • Lei Feng’s Hat

            I certainly hope there are a great number of ESL teachers ‘up to no good’ in China. After all, in every other country in the world there are a great many Chinese ‘up to no good’.

            So, 加油 ESL teachers, continue to bring balance to the world!

            And what’s with this nutty idea that ESL teachers in China must somehow be the greatest, most excellent, most upstanding, most qualified teachers on the face of the earth? Would that be to serve the general rabble of comatose children, bored housewives, and desperate office workers that filter in and out of these schools?

            *By the way, 5,000 years, this isn’t really aimed at you…I just decided to join the conversation here…

          • 5,000 years of uncivilization

            Yes but some of us don’t want to be the bad guys who should leave the country. I’d like to call Qingdao my home.

          • Lei Feng’s Hat

            I’m not championing “bad” bad. A little naughty? That’s okay…

            I just find it funny, this bizarre notion that ESL teachers in China must be linguistic masters and paragons of virtue.

            People of China: Don’t take life so seriously, because life sure as hell isn’t taking you seriously.

          • Dr Sun

            I like this

          • Kai

            No one expects perfection. I think you can remind yourself of what you’re saying here a bit more often. I get that a lot of people get frustrated with various things in China. I get frustrated too. Like you said, “it’s always important not to generalize.” Venting doesn’t require generalizing.

          • 5,000 years of uncivilization

            If i’ve been unfair, i’m a loser. Why don’t you ban me? Maybe i’m not good enough for this website. Sorry if i wasted your time.

          • Kai

            We don’t ban you because our comment policy doesn’t forbid people from being unfair and/or losers.

            Look, you have a history of making objectionable comments. Your own screen name is intentionally mocking and hateful. It’s hard not to think about how you dish hate out to others when you suddenly start complaining about the hate you feel you receive.

            You shouldn’t be made to feel bad for being an English teacher in China just because other people are giving the occupation a bad name. Others shouldn’t be made to feel bad for being Chinese just because other people have given their nationality or ethnicity a bad name. You resent one but indulge in the other. That’s hypocritical and it makes you hard to sympathize with. I hope you can understand how that’s a fair and reasonable criticism. Treat others as you would want them to treat you.

          • 5,000 years of uncivilization

            You still have me confused with someone else.

          • Kai

            How’s that?

          • sum ting wong

            You think i have a history of making objectionable comments or that i’m intentionally mocking or being hateful. I never dish out hate to others but i do often feel misunderstood. I’ve traveled enough to know that their are good and bad everywhere. I’m quite aware there are some unqualified English teachers in China but you must admit that environmental degradation along with human and animal rights issues far outweigh these other trivial issues that tend to personally attic others. We should be united to address much more serious issues where lives are at stake.

          • Kai

            I know you have a history of making objectionable comments and are intentionally mocking or hateful. I can see your comment history. I can see your username, which just changed from “5000 years of uncivilization” to “sum ting wong”. Dude, do you really not see how that, making fun of certain Asian people’s accented English, can easily be seen as objectionable, mocking, or even hateful?

            I’m glad you’ve traveled enough to know there are good and bad everywhere. The reason I have a negative impression of your comment history is because your past comments don’t really reflect that. You’ve often said things that don’t reflect that sort of foundational understanding.

            I don’t understand the second half of your comment. I don’t have to “admit” there is environmental degredation along with human and animal rights issues because, well, I never denied them. More importantly, what does this have to do with the original conversation about English teachers?

            Are you arguing that there are more “serious issues where lives are at stake” so people shouldn’t have or express opinions about English teachers in China?

            If so, can’t people hold two thoughts in their heads at once? I’m not sure what argument you’re trying to make here.

          • sum ting wong

            Sorry. Never mind. I’m not as great as you are.

          • David

            Please don’t take this is a negative way but are you young (I mean relatively, like less than early 30s)? The reason I ask is this. Most men around that age start to feel like they should be ‘accomplishing’ something they can be proud of. For most people this means either taking care of a family or advancing your career to make lots of money (makes parents happy) or doing something your proud of. I can only give you my perspective. If what you are doing makes you happy. you feel makes a positive difference in the world or you feel like you are helping people (i,e, students) screw other people and what they think. In 30 years looking back on your life you will think about the things YOU are proud and ashamed you did, you will never think about what others thought. However, if your doing a half ass job in an easy environment so you can earn drinking money to go chase tail, please tell everybody you work for an NGO.

          • 5,000 years of uncivilization

            Thanks, David. I’m certainly not the latter. I’m just sick of those assholes who are “better off” looking down at others. I can understand how some poor Chinese feel when tuhaoren look down on them for not having more money. It shows a lack of respect, education and common decency.

          • David

            Very true. In comparison to what the average Chinese college graduate makes in my city (let alone some who work in the country without a college degree) I would be considered very well off as Dr. Sun sort of made fun of. This is why I always try to judge others by their actions and not by their circumstances (i.e. rich or poor. I have met nice people and asshole at both economic ends). But again, in the end, as an old guy you will never think about how others felt when you made a decision you will just remember what you did, so whatever you find yourself doing, do it in a way that will make you proud..

          • 5,000 years of uncivilization

            You seem like one of the good ones. Cheers!

    • Ryo Saeba

      Let’s face it, they are doing something they like… and they get paid during the day teaching. I’m jealous!

    • Rick in China

      It’s funny, because so many mainland guys struggling, will make fun of the white monkey jobs and ‘homeless ESL teachers’, but still earn less money and don a green hat while their girlfriends/wives bang the same homeless they laugh at. That’s even more amusing than your joke in my opinion :D

      @5,000 – it was never the type of occupation someone would be “proud” of I don’t think, not unless you are actually educated *as* an educator in language, it has always been a way for people to live abroad while making some extra cash, no? I feel kinda bad for people who turn it into their actual occupation, seems like the type of thing that is sufficient ‘for now’ but has no end-game…

      • Why do you always have to bring banging and sleeping with Chinese women to be such a big deal to be a white man measure of his existence in China. WHY WHY?

        I’m Indian, the least dateble, smelly, dirty kind and even I have banged Chinese, hell I have banged even a Swedish, Russian and American women….I don’t make my life a measure of how many women I slept with. Its so degrading to my whole existence.

        Do not do that. I respect ESL teachers, I have met few and they are knowledgeable and good guys. They don’t need to bang Chinese women to prove their worth.

        • Rick in China

          I did not imply that ‘banging determines worth’ – it was more of an insult that, while you *insult them* as being homeless trash of other countries, it seems your women still prefer them – as in a comparative worth indicator. It is also not about the “ESL teachers” measuring *THEIR* existence, if you learn ESL perhaps you can read it correctly, it is about the *preference* of the people of which are the target of the OP’s insults being preferred by their own women. Make sense? *sigh*

          I find it amusing, hypocritical, and ridiculous that you say: “I’m Indian, the least dateble, smelly, dirty kind and even I have banged Chinese, hell I have banged even a Swedish, Russian and American women….I don’t make my life a measure of how many women I slept with.” < do you realize how that paragraph sounds?

          • Ruaraidh

            Like ying and yang, the statement ‘ESL teachers are vagrants in their own countries’ can always be answered with ‘Chinese women prefer western men’ and vice versa ad infinatum. Thus the eternal shit flinging match between drifting westerners in China and soft-prick locals is perpetuated.

            Not in this case though as I’m not actually Chinese. You’ll have to try and think up something original.

          • Rick in China

            I didn’t say “you”, nor do I give a shit about where you’re from, or anything about you, come to think of it. It was a matter of observation, much like your obvious attempt at a joke. Original? You’re definitely not that.

          • Ruaraidh

            It wasn’t exactly clear given all your use of *bizarre* punctuation. It is an obvious joke, but why did you bother to react then? Lavista4u is right, jumping in with Chinese women being easy to bang, or preferring western men does seem a little desperate.

          • Rick in China

            Funny, you changed your post.

            “I guess from your reaction you teach ESL”
            ->
            “It wasn’t exactly clear given all your use of *bizarre* punctuation.”

            Amusing how most of your posts are about people’s punctuation, and you obviously hate ESL teachers. I’m guessing there’s a little projection going on.

          • Ruaraidh

            Fucks sake, you suck all the fun out. I half wish I hadn’t bothered posting at all.

        • Dr Sun

          I think he is frustrated as he cannot find a single woman in China to sleep with without coughing up lots of money first.
          He will most likely leave China soon, return home, be confronted with the same go postal and become the latest to shoot dead a classroom or cinema full of people.
          Blame it on him having that wrong gene, he is the 0.0092%

          • Rick in China

            Must be a rough life you have Sun. Looks like you troll threads I post on with nothing to add, other than contempt and ridiculous supposition. Rough, indeed.

          • Dr Sun

            I dont mean to troll you, but its hard not to respond to the crap you post. I will try not to much in future

            If you stop posting crap first..

      • don mario

        its an easy pot shot to take.. so they take it. not much else they can say.

        being an english teacher is more or less a free ride job, the standard one i mean. there are fully qualified english teachers too. so english teachers should be prepared to take some flak for it.

        • Rick in China

          Agreed — but as an observer, it’s still an amusing conflict to watch.

    • David

      Your a sad man to make fun of educators. Your comments are comparable to the ones above making fun of a guy giving poor people money.

      • Ruaraidh

        I hope ‘your’ not an educator yourself, or at least not an English language educator. It’s just a joke, honestly I couldn’t give a pinch of sheep shit if anyone feels I’ve insulted the sacred pride of educators. If you’re a good educator you know you’re not really comparable to a vagrant, only the insecure get offended.

        • Dr Sun

          I’ve met some excellent and dedicated ESL teachers in China, most of them work in the public schools as they seem to have higher standards, and are mostly married. They seem to work hard and are good teachers.
          On the other hand, hit any foreigner street bar and its just full of the private school teachers (many illegal) guys who are unemployable back home, chasing any piece of pu@#y, shit faced most of the time, pissing on the streets, starting fights and generally just embarrassing themselves and every foreigner here.
          I do not include the ” Stealth missionary teachers” of which there are many, good teachers no doubt, but who’s real purpose is not to teach English, but to spread the word of the lord to the Pagan masses.

          • David

            OK, ignoring everything else. I am not sure I understand what you mean. Are you saying you know people who take teaching jobs simply to convert people to their religion? Is this something you have seen or heard about? I ask because I have only been China for a year and a half and while I have met plenty of Christians never met anybody (other than an actual minister) trying to ‘enlighten’ others.

          • Bob_Barker

            That is what he means. I went to grad school with a mormon who spent two years in Sichuan ‘teaching English’. His mandarin was quite good. There is a reason the CIA and State Dept. have a lot of mormons in their employ.

            A lot teach by day, recruit in their off time. Some of the missionaries aren’t even all that stealthy. The schools know, but don’t really do anything because its hard to recruit teachers for some of the smaller towns (the same is true for lower tier universities). English classes would be heavily co-mingled with religious education.

            Sometimes they fail. A group of them came to Beijing, taught by day, proselytized by night. Most of their efforts were at top tier universities, which were the least receptive targets short of the politboro.

      • donscarletti

        He’s not making fun of educators, just ESL teachers in China.

        The ones above are not making fun of philanthropists, just tasteless clowns like Chen Guangbiao.

        See the difference? One is noble, one is a farse.

        • David

          Well, I will take your word for it.

      • KamikaziPilot

        I didn’t really find his joke distasteful in that I think he was making fun of the common belief that to be an ESL teacher in China your most important qualification is to have white skin and not much else. In other words a homeless white American could get an ESL job in China over an Asian with a master’s degree in education and years of experience. I’m sure there are teachers that take their jobs very seriously because they really want to help people learn but others aren’t even given a chance, and if they are they are paid less. I mean just think if this kind of institutionalized racism went on in the States. There’d be an outcry. This is something that just bothers me about Chinese people. They judge on skin color so much. It’s hard to respect a culture and people that does this. I don’t really expect you to understand much since this bias would benefit yourself, but it is something I feel is really not right.

        • ex-expat

          You’re t

          Edit: sorry pushed submit by accident.

          You’re 100% right about the race thing in China, but come on…not expecting someone to understand because the bias works in their favor?

          • KamikaziPilot

            Don’t you agree that when bias works in someone’s favor, the person who’s in the favorable position tends not to recognize the bias or injustice as much as the person who’s on the opposite end. It’s just human nature, it doesn’t make you a bad person. Ex. do you ever hear disadvantaged groups (ex. non-Han minorities in China, blacks on U.S.), who benefit, complaining about Affirmative Action (or similar programs)? The people who complain the most and think it’s not fair are usually the groups that don’t benefit. Well I guess people may understand, but if bias benefits you, you might not think it’s unfair as much as the person who is discriminated against.

          • Rick in China

            You’re right – it’s also natural for many to justify that what they have is deserved and what others have is not as deserved, bias just goes with subjective territory.

            To your earlier point on institutionalized racism, a week ago my friend pasted an article about racism in hiring practices in S.Korea with a gov’t offered position that had the words: “Need: White” in it, which to me is hilarious..but shows that it’s a phenomenon all over. Including China. Including USA. You said, “I mean just think if this kind of institutionalized racism went on in the States. There’d be an outcry” — I think it does, and I don’t think there is. Not in every industry, but the most obvious is hollywood… I doubt they do casting calls for black spiderman or white Shaft, they need specific races to play specific roles to capture the audience in a way they want, much like ESL teachers which, I believe most schools care less about the actual education, and more about providing a white face to go along with the western language as the perception from the public is that is the most authentic of an experience they will get. No?

          • KamikaziPilot

            I’ve heard about those ads too, and also ads for whites hired for a day, to give speeches pretending to be some CEO of some big company, to give the company more credibility, which is funny and sad at the same time. I never thought of comparing Hollywood and ESL teachers, but you’re right in that they both are trying to fill a role that people have preconceptions about what they should be. Agree institutionalized racism is everywhere, but it does seem there are more laws in the West to at least try to combat the problem than there are in China, which I’m guessing doesn’t have any of those laws (do they?). Ignorance itself isn’t so bad, after all we are all ignorant in something, but what really bothers me is people who are ignorant but don’t know they’re ignorant and truly believe they know everything about a subject (ex. believe only whites can speak proper English, real estate is unquestionably the best investment, stocks are terrible investment).

          • JabroniZamboni

            China has many laws. They sadly do not enforce the majority of them.

          • KamikaziPilot

            They have laws banning discrimination based on things like race, disability, gender?

          • JabroniZamboni

            The lack of those laws do not affect me. I admit that China could do better on these accounts, however it is not my country to change.

            This is essentially a lawless place.

          • David

            Well, there was an ad last year in an online forum looking for ‘white people’ to show up at parties. you pretend you know the host, shake some hands and you pretend like the host is the coolest and you get paid. I think I would rather give blowjobs to the homeless. Teaching English well to people who don’t speak English is difficult. In the states I am a certified teacher. I teach History, Political science, Economics and English, obviously. I happen to specialize in Asian history so the idea of sacrificing personally (financially and personally) to teach for a few years here and get more ‘grass roots’ research done was appealing. As for the racism, yes, parents would rather have a white teacher teaching their child (for sevral reasons) but that is on them. They pay and they should get what they want.

          • ex-expat

            You have a point. I can’t speak for anyone else, obviously, but I can’t imagine many white teachers in China are unable to understand that things are heavily biased in their favor when it comes to opportunities and salaries. You would have to be pretty oblivious to not see it. That doesn’t mean that people won’t deny it, however, as there are logical reasons for doing so.

    • JabroniZamboni

      There is no dishonour in teaching abroad. If you possess skill in the craft, achieve positive results with your students, as well as offer a diverse range of services you can succeed at a level that gives you a very competitive standard of living. I can’t speak for the rest of China, nor for the public school system, however an international school in Shenzhen will pay between the range of 20 to 25 000 rmb a month. If you decide to work for yourself, you can easily make much much more. Is that so homeless? Not everyone is here on a tourist visa with no degree.

      • Dr Sun

        Why does this sound like a recruitment ad for the young . dumb and full of c%m , who have no morality to become…?
        The only ESL teachers i’ve ever come across earning 25000 + a month were doing it as consultants luring their students to Sanya,Macau, Singapore, Dubai,Africa etc to be “shop assistants” and “Hotel workers”. Esl teachers that “offer a diverse range of services” well pimping is I guess the second oldest profession in the world, but I don’t think pimps are real teachers.

        • JabroniZamboni

          I know you are attempting to troll me, however I do not want to recruit anyone. What city do you live in? I started my Shenzhen experience doing the same as others; i came here on a whim. The salaries at any institutions here other than international schools are quite the joke. I’m not 20, i won’t live in a dorm.

          Nothing happens right off of the boat, but if you can market yourself well, have teaching background from a respected university, you can write your own ticket.

          To “offer a diverse range of services” simply implies being able to give those people who entrust you to not waste their investment in you in regards to what they want. You have to run the gamut; basic conversation classes (think housewives and people that don’t want homework; they simply want to have fun with their friends and :study”) and business English to fill the day, SAT, TOEFL, debate, and essay writing to fill your evenings.

          Shenzhen is an expensive city. There are more demographics than the Chinese one in which to ply your services. If you take the risk, use your wits and experience to build a book of satisfied clients, you can write your own ticket. It is hard work, but it isn’t for slackers. I’m married to a Chinese woman, expecting my first born, and working all on my own; not all of us are “backpacking” slackers with no sense of responsibility or “end game”.

          I’m essentially saying, if you are a real teacher with a good education, experience, and have a personality that is generally conducive to making friends and networking….don’t work for a learning center, don’t teach kindergarten, don’t drift through life. Work for yourself. If you have enough money to essentially live well through the thin times (it takes at least 2 years to build anything tangible enough to be raking it in), and get a few great results. A few top TOEFL and SAT scores will assure that you make what you are worth.

          Quite the diatribe eh? Let’s go to a KTV, you pay, I’m broke.

          • Dr Sun

            Again sounds like a recruitment ad from a private teaching center or “recruitment consultancy” not real life.
            KTV, maybe 7 or 8 years ago, but now I’ll pass. But that Pub in She kou does a good Cottage pie. your are paying as you are loaded, making 30k a month.

          • JabroniZamboni

            Doubt all that you want. Sometimes, doubt like this is indicative of a lack of ability. Yes, I would like fries with that.

          • Dr Sun

            I don’t know, I’m just a lowly Trauma surgeon/ Intensivist working for a NGO,I can only assume that my inability to be a smart ass ESL teacher comes from the fact that I dont like to talk big , cheat, lie or talk big about shit I don’t know about.
            Oh the ESL teachers and most other here respect and are friends with don’t mix with the “yellow fever” predators or “consultants” either.

          • JabroniZamboni

            I would like a napkin.

            Highly qualified people don’t shit on others, they simple excel.

            30 is still too low. What city do you live in?

          • Dr Sun

            no problem, I think it’s ok there to tuck it under your chin as well.

          • JabroniZamboni

            Ahhh yes. The argument of someone with a “PHD” that absolutely dictates the falsetto pandering of a lying troglodyte.:)

            Will those fries be cold?

          • JabroniZamboni

            Seriously, what city do you live in to be so poorly paid for such a high-level position?

          • Dr Sun

            Kunming

          • JabroniZamboni

            I come from a country that is way more “socialist” than China. It is still ok to get fair value for your services. Move?

          • fabulous

            …Quickly Googles NGOs in Kunming…

          • Mighty曹

            You can be a ‘highly’ surgeon but NGO means ‘low paying’. Right?

          • Dr Sun

            I’m a socialist.

          • Mighty曹

            Me too. I believe in some gov’t control to an extent.

          • JabroniZamboni

            I’m married. I’m not a “consultant”. I have a real education and provide one justly. Front line health care workers are essential for a good country. Butthurt ones, seem to work at the “IV place” that gives me vitamin C when I have a cold. Don’t hate the player, hate the game. There are no lies; results are what you live by if you want to be successful. If you kill 20 patients, are you still working? It is China, I don’t know. They don’t even feed you in hospitals here.

            The fact that you can’t even answer where you are from tells that you are probably a nongmin surgeon, doing pigs and humans in one fell swoop.

          • Dr Sun

            True they don’t feed you well in hospitals here, the doctors lounge is a joke, the cafeteria a nightmare. Nursing in China is probably 50 years behind even the Philippines or Thailand or India, they can stick a IV in a dead fish but thats about it.
            As for patients dying, tell you a secret, people die and doctors are not Gods that cannot resurrect the dead.

          • JabroniZamboni

            They can’t even empty a garbage can in the patients room (full of hazardous bio-materials), or change the catheter of a patient so that the family doesn’t have the added stress of emptying their sick loved ones’ piss while they worry over their recovery, Do you want to know why you make less? the medical service you provide is as you said “50 years behind”,

            Doctors are not Gods, however a hospital should be free of piss on the floors and smoking everywhere. Good thing I’m paying to have my kid in Korea, At least they have modern facilities. You make no money, because by international standards, you technically have no standards..

          • Dr Sun

            dude you know nothing about me, my standards, ethics or practices, I have never in 20 plus Years of practice been sanctioned or questioned by any Ethics Committee or licensing board , I have never had my privileges suspended or revoked in Europe, the USA, Australia, or Asia so stuff your sanctimonious crap back up your ass.
            Medical procedures/treatments are not bad here, patient care models and Nursing practice are bad. But if you are a Nurse looking after 30 patients on your own, how good can it be.
            Change is a slow process, if you are actually a educator then you would know that.

            I practice here because my family is here and because I hope to make things better here, I’m a socialist so monies not my motivation.
            I can see from your own posts that you consider yourself little more than a Temporary tourist worker, here to make as much money as you can as fast as you and leave as fast as you can.
            If your flying all the way to Korea to have your baby, you really are a sucker, just a rich one for now. are you doing the blepharoplasty at the same time?

          • JabroniZamboni

            I have resident status in this country. Try again. Do you accept hongbaos from families before surgery? ;)

          • JabroniZamboni

            sauce on the side. Water, no ice.

        • JabroniZamboni

          I would also add that maybe you don’t know the right “ESL teachers” and only attract the riff raff because of your own social standing.

          • Dr Sun

            you’re right, I should hit the westens bars more often, and spend my time off “attracting” a bunch of piss head ESL teachers, hitting on every piece of skirt to enhance my own social standing.
            No thanks.

        • fabulous

          To whoever has hacked Mr Sun’s account.
          Please get your own account.
          Nobody who has spent long in these comments believes that Mr Sun has gone from a boring, center-left troll, to an artless blunderbuss of positionless trollfire. It would have taken the real Mr Sun one pass through that comment to see that Mr Zamboni was talking about teachers in an international school; and feigning ignorance when someone mentioned a “teaching pedigree”? That was embarrassing to read.
          So, please return the password to its former state and let Dr Sun make boringly-liberal-yet-well-meaning comments like before.

          • Dr Sun

            Sorry Fabs, that obviously touched a nerve or to closely reflected on who you are. Either way it , is what is it and looking at your history of absurd trolling I can only assume envy at someone who is not a mindless troll like you.

          • fabulous

            Did you just take 46 words to write “I know you are, you said you are, but what am I?”

  • Dr Sun

    If he wants to throw his money away publicly, in the pretence of philanthropy in the USA, thats up to him. The most effective way however would be to simply donate millions to the Chinese Red Cross.
    There would be lots of happy luxury car dealers in the USA if he did.

    • Mighty曹

      Not after the Guo Mei Mei fiasco.
      EDIT: And lots of happy designer shops selling hand bags.

      • hence the joke in the latter part of his rage essay

        • Mighty曹

          In my haste to post I failed to see his sarcasm.

          • mr.wiener

            He is subtle.

          • Dr Sun

            Having L*n^t8e as a mistress, one has to be subtle

          • mr.wiener

            What’s a mistress?
            Something halfway between “mattress” and “mister”.

          • Dr Sun

            Oh, youre bad

    • LOL…True….Red Cross…is the most corrupt Charitable Institution in the world…leeching of off third world misery

  • This is not tasteless. Tasteless is donating million dollar school buses to other countries while kids in China are being killed from being in a 20 dollar schoolhouse during an earthquake.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/8920865/Chinas-school-bus-donation-to-Macedonia-derided.html

    • What better reason to dump defective products nobody want to take than calling it a “gift”?

  • Everyone’s mad because he’s rich. If he were a 90-year-old rickshaw driver who scraped by for 50 years just so he can hand out money to Americans in America, would anyone still be angry?

    • Rick in China

      I think they would equally criticize him and call him a stupid cunt, yes.

  • bujiebuke

    Another billionaire who’s in his own bubble of twisted reality. They had a story of him trying to make the argument that the poor should not have children. I wonder now whether he’s a good friend of Donald Sterling.

  • stevelaudig

    How much are is lowest-paid employees paid?

  • Zen my Ass

    Well, he does what he says at least: for those people, a few hundred buck will make a difference… why not helping his own people? There are hundreds of millions of poor people in China: build a school, a hospital, give free scholarships to underprivileged kids.

    • Repatriated

      If he were to do that…there would be too many complaints that “it wasn’t enough”. Ha.

  • Freddi BuBu

    Sincere regard for the homeless or merely shameless self-promotion…..??

    • Barack Obama

      why not both you stupid ho

  • Germandude

    Why doesn’t he try the professional game: Pulling that show off in China?

    I bet he understands that that would make him enemies that are on top of the food chain and would regard him as a nice side-dish. No matter how much money he has.

    This fool shouldn’t get any media attention.

  • Germandude

    Also interesting that the Chinese comments on him are rather negative.

    A couple of years ago, when he posted that “The Senkaku Islands belong to China” ad on the New York times, people were cheering for him being a “true patriot” and “a good example of how to be when you are rich”….

    • Alex Dương

      I would guess Chinese netizens perceive a difference between showboating by taking out an ad in the Times to push a position that the majority of mainland Chinese would agree with and showboating by going to NYC and handing out $100 bills.

    • bang2tang

      lol using nationalism to gain public sympathy seems to be always working, haha…

    • Kai

      Different context and likely a different group of people. You can see at least one of his defenders above, the one who makes a big deal about how he’s persecuted for his patriotism.

  • Le chat

    Meanwhile, check out this weasel with the weasel smile. I don’t know how he can manage to smile like that…

    • Rick in China

      Is this from the event held in HK where Gates n Buffet encouraged the richest people to pledge their money to charities, and many of China’s richest went to the event, pledged zero, and simply wanted to get their photos taken with Gates n Buffet?

      Yes, it looks like it is. Fucking travesty.

      • Kai

        It was in Beijing. Of the people they invited, 1/3 turned down the invitation, 2/3 showed (~50 people), and some called beforehand to ask if they would be required to donate just by attending. No one was required or even asked to pledge anything at the event.

        Chen Guangbiao made a big deal about attending before and after, as is his style, but to his credit, he also openly pledged to donate all of his wealth to charity once he dies though he is not a signatory to the Giving Pledge. He smiles like a weasel because that’s just how he looks and partly his personality.

        It’s really important to put this dinner in context. The Giving Pledge was started the year before this impromptu dinner that was tacked onto Buffet’s visit to his BYD investment. At the time, there were only 40 pledges after the two had conducted similar dinners in the US, with many of the pledges referring to amounts already given by these people BEFORE the Giving Pledge was even founded. The dinner in China was one big discussion about charity but also how it could be done in China given the Chinese political and legal environment.

        Both Gates and Buffet said the dinner was a success, though frankly it’s hard to imagine them saying anything else. They went to India the next year in 2011. Of the 170 signatories the pledge currently has, there are perhaps 2 potentially Chinese names and 2 potentially Indian names. The pledge is a moral commitment to donate at least half their wealth in their lifetimes or after death, but isn’t a legal contract. A lot of signatories are donating to their own causes, not anything specific determined by Gates or Buffet, and a lot of people who aren’t signatories are still donating and engaged in philanthropy/charity.

        It’s also worth noting that the Giving Pledge has quite a lot of critics worldwide:

        http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/11/giving/11PLEDGE.html?pagewanted=all

        http://philanthropy.com/article/Signers-of-the-Giving-Pledge/144567/

        http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/negative-reaction-to-charity-campaign-german-millionaires-criticize-gates-giving-pledge-a-710972.html

        I wouldn’t say the dinner was a travesty, especially since there is no information about who pledged what.

        Bill Gates and Warren Buffett received some “very generous” gifts during a dinner in Beijing with a small group of ultra-rich Chinese to promote charity, saying on Thursday that the event had exceeded expectations.

        But neither man, two of the world’s richest people and keen philanthropists themselves, would give any details, explaining it was up to the people themselves to talk about any donations that may have been made or talked about.

        “I don’t think it’s appropriate to talk about any particular individual. There were some gifts that were very generous,” Microsoft founder Gates told a news conference.

    • Mighty曹

      His business card says it all. A self-serving attention whoring weasel.

      • Alex Dương

        The last one’s my favorite.

        • Mighty曹

          I couldn’t understand what it IS to sway one way or another but ‘preservation demolition’ is definitely an oxymoron. haha!

      • bang2tang

        usually people make this kind of thing to mock others.

        possibly severe case of Narcism or NPD, lol

        • Mighty曹

          Haha… that’s putting it mildly. He’s definitely on a big ego trip.

      • Insomnicide

        Some of these descriptions are reaching memetic levels of comedic.

  • Boris

    Seems to me the shelter told him they are better off with the money (which is probably true) and he should have mentioned that before shipping people over.

  • jedwards

    Interestingly enough there have been a lot of studies that show giving large amounts of money to poor people with no strings attached has remarkably good results. One of the biggest causes of poverty is poverty itself, and the problem with Mr. Biao (other than the blatant self-promotion) is that $100 doesn’t help shit, it can’t help you go to school, rent an apartment or start a business, so why not spend it on booze?

    • David

      I would love to see one of those studies because I don’t believe it. Giving large amounts of money to poor people is what the governments been doing for 60 years and the number of poor keeps going up. How much should he have given them? $1000? $10,000? $100,000? So if you could post a link to one of those studies I would appreciate it.

    • Dr Sun

      good idea lets get pissed up and fat for a night, you spend the 100 he gave you on booze, I’ll buy the BBQ and snack foods, with my 100.
      My place 7pm, OK

  • chandlerpatrick

    Wow! This guy keeps slithering his way back into the media over and over agian. What an absolute media whore.

  • pink panda

    he can give me and take photo, i do not mind, just any time he wants.

  • PAUL 442

    A very nice gesture on his part for humanity. If it is to help foster a more positive relationship with the Chinese, most Americans already embrace Chinese citizens. It is the Chinese government that we do not like. Their government is the bully. The people are kept in check by a single phone call. Justice in China involves who has the most amount of money or rank. Not a good system at all.

  • David

    I honestly can not get my mind around these comments.

    “What I’m trying to say is that there is news everywhere on the
    internet that disparages Chen Guangbiao, and rarely do you hear anything
    else, and this is very abnormal. These days, everyone likes to compare
    Chen Guangbiao and Li Lianjie [Jet Li]. I think Chen Guangbiao
    definitely can’t match Jet Li. Why? Because Jet Li is taking everybody’s
    money to do charity, while Chen Guangbiao is only using his own money
    to do charity. This obviously shows that Chen Guangbiao is a stupid
    cunt. What more, it’s said that Chen Guangbiao has donated over 1
    billion domestically [in China]? Even if we deduct various exaggerations
    and say it is only 1/3 of that, that is still a lot of money. Are you
    not a big stupid cunt or what? What a stupid person… So public opinion
    all supports Jet Li donating other people’s money, and gives people like
    Chen Guangbiao who donate their own money no sympathy. All the news
    reports is Jet Li’s good, Chen Guangbiao’s ugly, and the ugly reported
    is even those that have been edited [to remove the good/positive
    aspects]. So, Brother Biao, you truly have offended people everywhere.
    Can loving your country [being patriotic] be said publicly? Do you not
    know that you’ll be cursed the moment you say you love your country?
    Don’t you know that you’ll be hated by pro-democracy people and news
    reporters and editors? Don’t you know that doing good deeds is not a
    mainstream universal value these days? Don’t you know that the
    intelligence of netizens to determine right and wrong is quite high~~?”

    • wnsk

      I think it’s sarcasm…is it not?

      • David

        Well, the end certainly seems so but it is difficult to see it in the first three quarters. But perhaps your right and the whole thing is meant to be.

    • Dr Sun

      Jet Li’s fung fu is much better

    • Kai

      What do you mean? He’s complaining. He feels Chen gets unfair scrutiny while others get a free pass by a biased media. He thinks Chen is partially persecuted because he is “patriotic”. Some of what he argues may be valid, and some of it may just be partisanship.

      • Mighty曹

        Kai, I was reading your recent responses in the other thread (which I will not ID) and I must admit I had misjudged you in the past. All I will say now is I have much respect for you for your ‘unbiased’ commentary regardless of one’s nationality. Thanks for reversing my perception and restoring my faith that was once damaged.

        • Kai

          Was your past perception and faith in me damaged because of my past commentary or because I once banned you for perpetuating a massive site-wide flamewar? ;)

          Friendly ribbing aside, I appreciate your sentiment. I try to be as unbiased and fair as I can.

          • Mighty曹

            LOL nooo…. I deserved the ban.
            It wasn’t particular you. It was the ultra-defensive and oversensitive reaction by a few, Jin Chin, is one that I recall and another (name withheld for diplomacy purpose) who’s still active at the moment, and my ‘perception’ that you sided/supported them in a partial manner. I admit I have a very bad habit of not reading or seeing everything that’s around me. Therefore I’m guilty of holding the notion, “If I don’t see it it doesn’t exist”. Now I see that it DOES exist.
            You’re well on your way to great journalism!
            #FREEAJSTAFF

      • David

        Then I misunderstood the post. Perhaps it is my unfamiliarity with Chinese popular culture. It seemed to me he was saying the opposite and calling Chen a big stupid cunt (which he did several times but I assume now was sarcasm?).

        • Kai

          Yeah, sarcasm. He’s drawing attention to Chen giving away his own wealth and how that might be “stupid” next to Jet Li being “smarter” giving away other people’s wealth (through his charity organization One Foundation, though Jet Li I think gives away his own wealth too, though maybe not as much as Chen). What he’s trying to suggest is that Chen is more selfless and thus noble in this regard, yet the media somehow ridicules him and praises Jet Li.

  • Surfeit

    Why though?

    • Mighty曹

      Why dough?

      • Surfeit

        Dough, doh!

        • Mighty曹

          “Doughnuts. Doh!”
          – Homer

  • YourSupremeCommander

    Jay-Z was like: DAMN!!! Why didn’t I thunk of that??!!

  • Yes!

    There’re lots of people who’re not half as rich as this guy but have been doing twice as much for charity without trying to stir up any publicity for themselves.

  • danknugz

    I agree with the last comment from NetEase. As an American, this is insulting to our dignity; this Chen fellow is clearly just trying to demonstrate some kind of paternalistic superiority of himself over Americans by painting himself as benefactor, handing out money to make us Americans look like peasants. Screw this asshole.

  • Kai

    Did you read the article?

    But the giddy atmosphere fell apart when it was announced that the tycoon would not be handing out the cash, at the behest of the Mission, which was concerned the money would be used on drugs and alcohol.

    […]

    Craig Mayes, executive director of the New York City Rescue Mission, was left to deny there had been any injustice.

    “I’m really sorry. It was misrepresented in the paper,” he said.

    Michelle Tolson, director of public relations at the Mission, said Tuesday that no cash would be handed out to individuals and that it had taken 1.5 months of negotiations to convince Chen to instead donate $90,000 to the group.

    The money would be ploughed straight into the Mission’s $5 million yearly expenses to feed and house people, she said.

  • bang2tang

    global awareness?

  • don mario

    i wouldn’t accept money from the douch bag either.

    • I would. Please come to Argentina and invite me lunch ! hahaha

  • jon9521

    Whatever the poverty level in New York it cannot compare with rural China. The man should save his flight fare and help those at home

  • mike921

    Counterfeit? Better check…

  • David

    Congratulations, I would hire you as my new typo checker but you did not write a proper sentence. No subject, no capitalization and you did not end it with any punctuation. Two mistakes to fix my one is not efficient. If you are going to correct people do it right. The same goes to the copy cat below you. Let me demonstrate for you.

    I hope you are not teaching “your” instead of you’re”.

  • David

    You can look at the reply above to see how silly you look copying him.

    • suthjans

      I’m not the English teacher though

  • asiandragons

    He is such a cheap but effective marketeer but still considered stupid by many

  • JabroniZamboni

    Vice News coverage of this story.

  • Vlogger

    As expected of that chinese guy, philanthrophy never looked so tacky before.

    • Dr Sun

      Go troll somewhere else

  • Dr Sun

    where, I didn’t see that on search most pay 3000 to 12,000 even in 1st tier cities, I smell some ESL teaching bravado and recruitment ageny BS going on here.
    Those Private “international” schools that allege to pay the “good” salary I saw had bloody awful reviews from their ex teachers, ie never got paid, never got the resident permit, had to share a apt, fought with management from day one over breach of contract,forced to work way over contract hours,never received travel allowance etc..etc….
    BTW Hmm EF/WEB/Wall street have terrible reviews.

    pps, I have to ask, WTF would would anyone want to experience the very worse of China in the polluted overcrowded madness of a 1st or even 2nd tier city ?

    • JabroniZamboni

      Because the schools you list are not international schools. The ones I am talking about are 150 000 RMB per kid a year. Fully accredited international schools with International Baccalaureate programs. Ex-pats send their kids there, along with the wealthier Chinese. They have campuses in many countries. These aren’t your shitty ESL learning centers, but actually REAL schools with relationships with western universities. A fake teacher that can get the job easily at Wall Street English, simply would never get this job. They would not pass the screening far enough to get an interview.

      Why do we want to live in a city? Because we didn’t come from 1st world countries to downgrade our lives. We came for the experience and adventure of living in China, but without the pay, we wouldn’t work here.

      How is that so hard to understand? If we wanted to live in the country side, we would pick 50 other countries before China to move to. The water is unusable even outside of the cities. Wei shemme?

  • MeCampbell30

    The US government gives out hotdog meals! Sign me up!

  • Dick Leigh

    The Chinese etymology of scapegoat makes sense. The English etymology… I still don’t get it. Why would the Jews cast a perfectly good goat into the desert?

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