Drinking Urine and Other Bizarre Chinese Medical Remedies

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From QQ:

Health Madness/Hysteria

Recently, the media reported that there are individuals in China drinking urine with the claim that it can cure disease, and that there exist nearly 10,000 loyal followers. The head of the “Chinese Urine Treatment Association” claimed that drinking urine can treat many illnesses, and can even help patients regrow lost lung tissue. Looking at the domestic healthcare trends in recent years, miracle treatments, miracle medicines, miracle health therapies, and the like have been commonplace, with various healthcare products promoted under the pretense of being traditional Chinese medicine, resulting in frequent episodes of hysteria. Photo is of 2004 August 8, where 30 middle-aged to elderly individuals gathered at a hotel in Guangzhou and, after discussing the “health benefits of drinking urine” one after another entered the restroom with a cup to fill with their own urine that they then happily drank in front of others.

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A major example of healthcare hysteria can be seen in the appearance of various peculiar therapies, most of them exploiting the name and theories of traditional Chinese medicine and exaggerating claims to attract customers. Diet therapy in traditional Chinese medicine is considered a type of treatment and prevention method, but old wives’ tales and folk remedies have distorted it into “eat something to cure/supplement something.” In 2001, a hotel in Hangzhou held a live ant tasting event, inviting ant farming “experts” to taste-test in front of the guests, claiming that they are rich in protein, good for nourishment and anti-aging.

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Many alternative remedies cannot guarantee their effectiveness, and can even be dangerous, as businesses rely on exaggerated claims to attract the attention of the masses. For example, many health clinics promote “fire treatment” and claim it’s traditional Chinese moxibustion. In 2005, the Ministry of Health and the State Administration of Traditional Chinese Medicine issued regulations regarding traditional Chinese tuina, massages, guasha, and cupping practices, but it did not include “fire treatments.”

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”Bee therapy” is a folk remedy that uses the unique medicinal properties of bee stings to “fight poison with poison”. It can effectively treat rheumatism, arthritis, headaches, stomach aches, hyperlipidemia, hyperglycemia and other ailments. Yet the state has yet to approve “bee therapy” as a traditional Chinese medical treatment. Experts claim that the biggest risk is allergies, as severe allergies [to bee stings] without quick treatment can lead to death. In April of this year, a 60 year-old senior from Fujian had an allergic reaction from “bee therapy” and died. Photo is of August 2013, where a Beijing patient is receiving the “bee sting treatment.”

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These so-called “unique therapies” are targeted at those who have periarthritis, arthritis, spondylosis, high blood pressure and other chronic diseases. On 2013 October 30 in Nanjing, a new healthcare concept called “Xiyu Sand Therapy” was introduced. The patients are completely immersed in hot sand until it makes them sweat. The business claimed this combines “magnetic”, “heat”, “light” and “massage” therapies into one single comprehensive treatment.

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Some merely use “healthcare” purely to get eyeballs [attention], having other goals, the notion of healthcare merely a pretense. This photo is of 2008 July 13 at a hot spring in Hubei. A artist is using ink made from herbs to draw Olympic mascots on two girls. This business claimed this kind of medicinal painting therapy can improve the skin.

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The recently controversial urine treatment had a strong following within the country, and even established a “Chinese Urine Treatment Association” in Hong Kong. However, experts proved that drinking urine has no benefits and can even be harmful. Although the urokinase in urine can have the effect of thinning the blood, it isn’t necessary to drink urine. The “Chinese Urine Treatment Association” was discovered to have no legal representative, and the president of the association responded that “those who have not drank urine have no right to speak”. This photo is of 2014 from June 24 in Chongqing, where two seniors with a decade’s experience in urine treatment drank fresh urine in front of reporters.

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The masses’ tendency to “seek any cure when ill” not only fattened the pockets of many in the “health therapy” industry, it also gave rise to many miracle doctors. In 2010, “miracle doctor” Zhang Wuben’s popular selling book You Are What You Eat promoted “eating mung beans as a cure-all solution”. In February of 2014, Zhang Wuben was diagnosed with cerebral infarction and entered Peking University No. 3 hospital. During an interview with reporters he instead said “drinking mung bean soup does not cure cerebral infarction”, that mung bean soup does not cure everything, and that he has been drinking it without use.

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2011 April 11 in Taipei, during a media event, Yixingtianxia: Stretching and Slapping as a Cure-all Solution author Xiao Hongci used a beautiful model to demonstrate the healing effectiveness of slapping [or clapping]. Since 2009, Xiao Hongci’s stretching and slapping method became popular across Beijing, Shanghai, Nanjing, and Guangzhou, with numerous classes, camps, and slapping sessions being held. “Stretching stools”, books and related products became top sellers, making people fortunes. Later, it was all proven to be blind nonsense/a scam.

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Li Yi was known as a “divine Daoist priest”, claimed to have 30,000 disciples, including Ma Yun and Wang Fei. He claimed to have the ability to harness 220 volts of electricity, and the “medical skill” to use electrical current to stop diseases and treat cancer. In a book titled Are There Supernatural Beings in the World, there is a medical case of Li Yi using electricity to treat a paralyzed patient until he recovered sensations in his hands and feet. Li Yi’s deed was met with skepticism from the medical community, and was exposed by writer Fang Zhouzi on Weibo. Netizens found the video of Li Yi holding his breath underwater, one example of what underpinned his legend, and then proceeded to expose his lies.

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China has never lacked a market for “miracle doctors”. Wang Lin, Zhang Biqing, Hu Wanlin, Ma Yuelin… after one “miracle doctor” falls, yet another appears soon later. What more, these miracle doctors love using famous people, celebrities, and politicians to promote their medical practices and influence. 2010 December 29, CCTV’s Focus Interview exposed the illegal fraudulent medical practices of Liu Fengjun, the head of Beijing Dadaotang. Published in Liu Fengjun’s book The Health Remedies China’s Dragon Culture were many photos of Liu with famous people [above: Director Zhang Yimou].

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“Miracle doctors” exist often by relying on various marketing methods, branding themselves “experts”, publishing books, going on TV, using celebrities and wealthy people or even “fake patients” as props. Under the “bombardment” and “authoritativeness” of marketing information, truth and reason are neglected/ignored. Photo is of 2010 May 30, where all kinds of “health” books were on display at a Beijing Xinhua Bookstore.

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In 2013, CCTV exposed Grandma Gao’s blood sugar lowering patch and Nanyang Miaoyitang Pharmaceutical Company, which peddled “miracle medicines” to consumers through false advertising. In their advertising, a person claiming to be the 8th generation descendant from the Murong clan and a “miracle doctor” was actually played by an actor. Photo is a screenshot of Miaoyitang’s false advertising.

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The reason why various silly health therapies are commonplace, why one falls only for another to become popular with the masses, is ultimately because the problem of it being difficult and expensive to get medical care in China has not been resolved. Therefore, the ordinary common people can only seek alternative methods to improve their health. Photo is of 2005 July in Huaibei, Anhui Province, where hundreds of seniors endured the summer heat and waited in line overnight to get free medical treatment.

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Many people believe in superstitions, and are unknowingly exploited by “false therapies”. With the current healthcare system, many people want to find a easy cures and shortcuts, putting their hopes in certain simple, easy, and inexpensive methods to miraculously and quickly cure their problems, falling for specious statements. The moment someone takes the lead to “try” something, others will follow suit. Photo is of 2012 October 5 in Wenling City of Zhejiang, where hundreds of men and women from Taizhou scrambled over each other to get some of the all-curing “miracle water”. Tests later showed there was nothing special about the “miracle water”.

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The ineffective or even lack of government oversight, as well as absences of laws, are also one of the main reasons for the growing healthcare hysteria in the country. The country does not have a clear definition and classification for traditional Chinese medicine and medical therapy. There are no professional qualifications, standards, or oversight system for traditional Chinese medical establishments and relevant training organizations, leading to many fake traditional Chinese doctors and fake health remedies. For example, after Zhang Wuben was discredited, his Wubentang clinic was demolished, but the reason cited was that his pseudo-imperial architecture did not match the local sport stadium’s architecture and was thus deemed an illegal structure. Photo is of 2010 June 1 in Beijing, as workers dismantled the Wubentang clinic located at the Olympic Village.

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2005 December 15, a group of traveling salesmen arrived at a remote village in Shaoyang Village in Hunan Province, boasting a cure-all oral supplement. This elderly woman spent 160 yuan to buy the medicine mixture, completely unaware that the whole package cost only 10 yuan. For ordinary people, the correct path towards bodily health must come from scientific understanding, rational execution, conformance to physical and mental needs, and observation of the body’s responses/reactions.

Comments on QQ:

九日之光:

Drinking urine, so what?! They should eat feces, full of nutrition!

流水无情:

TMD, no wonder foreigners look down on us. With these 2B, wherever we go, we will be sneered at.

鼓得拜:

You know they can be fooled by these snake oil salesmen? Because the hospitals are too fucking shady.

陪迩、想当年:

The reform of the healthcare system is the top priority, because if everyone can afford to get treatment, there would be no market for these so-called miracle doctors.

夢隨心動:

So-called Chinese culture doesn’t seem to have much to be complimented. The kind of people you have is the kind of government you have, which can also be said vice versa.

Stay-磊左边:

I personally feel it is because hospitals cost too much. The common people do have have social security or health insurance, so most cannot afford to go get treatment, and can only go to these so-called “miracle doctors”. Otherwise, who would instinctively [think to] drink urine?

猛虎嗅蔷薇:

What does such hysteria/madness tell us? 1. It shows that the nation’s education policy is a failure; 2, Don’t blindly talk about things you are personally ignorant about and haven’t researched; 3, When the masses ignorantly follow fads/trends, shouldn’t the government be responsible?

化州三好联合通讯:

This is precisely the tragedy of current Chinese society.

云逍遥:

10 yuan medicine that costs 100 yuan, this is China. I refuse to believe the CT scanner in the hospital costs so much money, where just one session costs thousands. These kind of margins are higher than dealing drugs.

一六八:

I have a lot of urine, and can provide it for free! Guaranteed fresh! Interested parties should contact me quickly!

弦断谁人听:

Traditional Chinese medicine has existed for thousands of years, so it certainly has its merits/efficacy. Certain illnesses can be addressed by Chinese medicine, but to use the name of traditional Chinese medicine to con people, that’s just wrong.

隐风云:

A people without belief can only follow superstition, a people without character [education/cultivation] can only chose ignorance. Give the people something to believe, increase their character, give them higher living standards, and I trust all of this [popular gullibility for “miracle” cures and remedies] can be easily solved.

千里之行:

The hospitals and health care organizations are just like the financial organizations, monopolized. Foreign hospitals and health care organizations cannot enter the country, while hospitals run by our own people are blackhearted like bandits. They shut the doors to torment you, shut the doors to fleece you, and you even have to willingly accept it!

小玉:

This only reflects that Chinese people cannot afford to go to the hospital, cannot afford to see doctors, cannot pay the high medical fees, so they have no choice but to believe in these folk remedies. This also reflects the backwardness/disparity in Chinese people’s education.

蜗牛:

These people are mostly born in the ’60s and ’70s, and these people are the main culprits holding back the overall character development [improvement] of China’s population!

二锅头:

Superstitious Chinese people, muddled minds, lost beliefs…a group of people without independent thinking, independent personalities, and independent actions! The sorrow of our countrymen

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  • rollin wit 9’s

    Lets see what eating poo can do.
    Gotta be smarter than to drink urine, thats just silly. Come on, I mean cum ooon!

  • commander

    We all know the secret for a healthy, longer life: Number one is to eat a balanced diet while avoiding too salty, sweety, spicy foods and shying away from processed food products inundated with additives and preservatives.

    Number two, having a workout on a regular basis.

    Number three, spending more time with beloved ones and friends to stay happy in your life.

    The secret for longevity lies in rules every and each one knows but few comply with them.

    • Mihel

      Eating healthy, exercising, trying to be positive… those things are not exotic, mystical or extreme enough for some people.
      You’ve got to have some hard core stuff like ingesting your body’s waste or drink freshly spilled blood.

  • Kai

    Last picture, on the left:

    http://nikkeiview.com/images/yellowterror.jpg

    Amrite?

  • Surfeit

    ‘If you build it, they will come.’

  • pink panda

    haha!
    my father’s brother cut off one piece of meat from his arm to save his mother.at that time, really no medicine.
    he became a buddist at very young age, now he is still living well and his only son becomes a rich boss.maybe that’s called reward.

    • denvereen

      Maybe dear, but sounds like capitalism to me…..

  • Surfeit

    “Never underestimate the stupidity of people.”

  • Mihel

    How many litres of urine does it take to cure superstition?

    • Surfeit

      Haha! Good one!

    • Joe

      obligatory

      • mr.wiener

        Are you taking the piss?

        • Germandude

          So, wiener, when are you guys banning Whuddyasack again and this time for the last time? Or is it okay that he, eventhough he has been banned multiple times before, is continuing the same racist trolling over and over again?

          • mr.wiener

            I haven’t seen any posts from him for a while.

          • Germandude
          • mr.wiener

            I think I’d rather drink my own urine than read another of his rants.

          • Germandude

            Well then do the right thing for those that cannot resist. Ban this fucking moron once and for all…

          • Probotector

            This comment of his was golden though:

            “Basically, I just intuitively understand the inside-out of every racial group and how best to respond to them.”

          • Germandude

            The surprising thing for me is. Whuddyasack has been banned multiple times for racism, trolling and basically bringing any discussion level down to zero.
            He is coming back, read, given chances to change multiple times and hasn’t used it. Enough is enough.
            POS or whatever his name is has been banned and rightfully so. Whuddyasack should follow.
            Otherwise I don’t know if I want to discuss on cS anymore. Looking at the topics he is commenting on, you can see that he is constantly shifting discussions into completely different, but always the same direction and destroys the participation of others that would otherwise probably continue discussing. It then ends up with a mod (usually @kaipan:disqus) writing essays about why Whuddyasack is not doing any good and the 2 dance their tango. Until the next topic starts.

            Fuck that retard…

          • Kai

            whuddyasack has never been banned for racism, because we don’t ban people for racism. He was initially banned for suspected trolling and then subsequently banned for circumvention. He wasn’t unbanned until he contacted us and demonstrated understanding of why he was banned, how he had violated the comment policy with his circumventing, promised to not do so any more, and convinced us he wasn’t trying to troll.

            I don’t think he’s bringing the discussion level down to zero any more than quite a few other regular commenters regularly do. If he does, he just brings it down to a different zero. We can’t be discriminatory about zeros, so if we’re going to ban him for racism/prejudice/bigotry and “stupidity”, we’d have to ban quite a few other people along with him.

            I agree that he has a habit of turning topics into anti-white rants, but really now, there are people who turn topics into anti-Chinese rants. We will not single out whuddyasack for behavior that many others are guilty of. I dislike the guy as much if not more than most, but we’re not going to be biased about this.

          • Germandude

            Well then, “other fathers also have pretty daughters”, as we would say in Germany…

          • Kai

            Enjoy them all. Variety is the spice of life.

          • Fenqing Americana

            for forsake ban that racist troll, and what is hidden harmonies Alex doing as a mod???

          • Probotector

            His ls comment was yesterday.

          • mr.wiener

            Didn’t have much time to check anything yesterday, I spent most of the day at the hospital.

          • Germandude

            Hope everything is okay?

          • mr.wiener

            We’ll find out after the biopsy.
            Skin cancer is a pussy, glad it isn’t something like liver cancer.

          • Germandude

            Oh shit. Good luck with it. I mean it. You or your wife?

          • mr.wiener

            Me. Too much surf and sun when I was a kid…Damn you hole in the ozone layer!!
            Don’t go for the change of underpants yet, it’s still early days, and like i said, if you are going to get a cancer, it is the easiest one to beat , plenty of advanced warning.
            Edit: Palate Cleanser:

          • Surfeit

            加油!

          • Lei Feng’s Hat

            Hello, mr.wiener, I know you’re not a doctor, nor play one on TV, nor are you even a Dr. Sun, but care to dole out some free advice?

            What promted your initial concern? I’ve had this strange, mole-like mark on my face for the longest time. I wonder if I should get it checked out.

            But, by Odin’s beard, I really would rather drink the urine of a two-headed cobra than enter a Beijing hospital. I think I would have more luck with the cobra.

            Any thoughts would be appreciated.

          • mr.wiener

            Get it checked out, particularly if it is changing color or shape.

          • Lei Feng’s Hat

            Thanks – I guess I really should get it checked out. Take care.

  • Guest

    These guys are the picture of good health.

    • Mihel

      Bear Grylls can attest to that.

      • YourSupremeCommander

        Now you know why he has 9 lives.

    • vonskippy

      Well considering they’re 128 and 98 years old . . . . . .

      I’m just glad they’re not drinking it directly from the source!

      • Rick in China

        They surely save that for private parties — trading tonics to get a good mixture of healing juices.

    • Zappa Frank

      if you consider that they are 15 years old..

    • Rick in China

      Well, if monkeys can do it why can’t wee! (pun intended)

  • Kai

    It is not without irony that the Google ad on the side of this article at this very moment is “Make powerful healing water: Don’t drink another glass of water until you read this.”

    • hess

      Does it tell you to boil the water after you click the ad?

      • Kai

        LoL, no idea, not the kind of ads I’m liable to click.

  • YourSupremeCommander

    I get this treatment at saunas, this is how I roll… HARD.

    • videmus

      This is a natural occurrence for me every night.

      • Kai

        What? The burning sensation around your nether regions?

        Better get that checked out.

    • DavidisDawei

      Wow – hope you have a happy ending

    • Germandude

      I heard the same will happen if you have a south american girl, cause they are so hot ;-)

  • JabroniZamboni
    • wtf is that shit?

      • chucky3176

        It’s called the “shit wine”, first reported by Japanese media station who supposedly found Koreans making and drinking wine made out of human feces.

        It’s called Japanese misinformation propaganda. They like to do this kind of stuff to assert how superior they are, over other Asians, especially their most hated rivals, the Koreans. they need garbage like this to reconfirm their beliefs that they’re still better than the primitive and disgusting Koreans. Unfortunately, some western media like the UK’s Daily Mail, often get hooked into Japanese media campaign, and reported on the same story, using the Japanese point of view, and not even bothering to verify the Japanese sources. And this isn’t the first false story from Japan, that Daily Mail has reported, using Japanese sources unfortunately.

        A Japanophile website called the Kotaku.com has a good rundown on this “news story”, which is constantly being used by Right Wing Japanese on the internet, to denigrate Koreans.

        http://kotaku.com/anger-over-korean-poo-wine-video-1200257493

        • SongYii

          Daily Mail is awful.

        • Kai

          The reporter looks like the same one who did the weird Japanese pseudo-Christian sex cult report (can’t find the video atm).

          It’s Vice, dude, they specialize in the offbeat, and not quite “Japanese media station” insofar as insinuating that Vice is representative of mainstream Japanese media.

          People and media around the world do this because people like to gawk at weird shit, and sometimes it is because it does indeed make them feel better about themselves. I don’t think that’s Vice’s motivation for doing the report though, any more than their report on the sex church was about denigrating Japan as a whole.

          The Daily Mail talks shit about everyone and has lousy shameless sensationalist non-fact-checking reporting in general, but I’m not sure how it “used the Japanese point of view” in its report. I’d go as far as arguing that your comment is a far more biased reporting than their regurgitation of the information in the Vice video with a pretty mundane intro tacked onto it.

          I also don’t see how Kotaku did anything in a “backhanded sneaky kind of way”. They did a pretty good “set the record straight” report. It’s final concluding sentence can even be argued to be a subtle criticism of the Japanese who are taking this as representative.

    • DavidisDawei

      thanks for the link – there were some parts of that video that had me howling out loud

    • Gerhana

      they were scammed by a con artist. This video ruin my lunch time. Someone should have warn.

  • Rick in China

    The best photo is the lady in the background, on the left, of the last photo. She looks like that lady holding the medicine just snatched all that shit right from her hands and she’s like, OH NO YOU DIDN’T!

  • hess

    “those who have not drank urine have no right to speak”. Imagine the look on someones face if you respond to a question like that.

  • Dr Sun

    I understand that if you pee on your feet it cures athletes foot.

    • mr.wiener

      Doesn’t work.

      • YourSupremeCommander

        Worked for Dr Sun. Maybe you should let him pee on your feet?

        • mr.wiener

          I’ll pass on that.
          The idea that urine could cure athletes foot started in the US army back during the Vietnam war.
          I believe Chinese Medicine traditionally advocated drinking the urine of young boys as a cure for old people. The more modern practice of drinking your own urine has come from India.
          I think I’ll stick with beer.

          • Irvin

            Me too, most beer taste like piss anyway.

          • mr.wiener

            Stop drinking carlsberg.

          • SongYii

            Jia shi bo…. Europe’s Tsingtao.

          • Kai

            Really? If I had known I could get rid of old people just by drinking the urine of young boys…

        • rollin wit 9’s

          I bet R.Kelly wouldn’t mind either.

      • Dr Sun

        are you talking from experience ?

        • mr.wiener

          Of course. Plus i checked out some sources on line. Urine is useful as a sterile solution to clean wounds if nothing else is available, but that is about the limit of its medical use.

    • Jahar

      jellyfish stings, i heard

    • tomoe723

      Peeing on one’s foot is a common remedy for when you step on those sea urchins and have one of them needles stuck in your skin.

      • Zappa Frank

        I’ve always preferred the pain…

        • vincent_t

          No Zappa, trust me you don’t. You might end up begging everyone on the beach to pee on you if you get stunk by the horrible 1. I used to stay in a fishing village and seen it.

          • Zappa Frank

            I said “I’ve always preferred”, I’ve experienced it already.. I live by the sea and I walked on those things several times from my childhood.. I know how it feels… by the way, hot water works too and is less disgusting.

        • tomoe723

          If you don’t get the needle out, you risk infection. Urine disintegrates the needles on contact. Urine or beer… that’s what I’ve seen.

          • Zappa Frank

            is not that there is only urine as solution..every antisettic is ok as well.. instead of getting pissed on your feet one can even go to get a medication or can do it by yourself going back home. Anyway as i said, i live by the sea, and in my chilldhood it happened to me dozen of times, it’s not that painful, in the worst case you have to stand for one week..

          • tomoe723

            I’ve had my cousin piss on my foot once. It wasn’t that bad, and it’s quite effective. It was gross at first, but washing it with soap and water afterwards cleans the spot. The urine is just for helping get rid of stuck needles. Personally, I prefer it quicker than having to wait and let the needle get buried deeper as my skin grows over it. If there aren’t any stuck needles, no need for urine.

          • Zappa Frank

            perhaps I am a bit more used since it’s 30 years I live on the sea and face this problem every season ..(and I because skilled in avoiding it..) and than is not that much pain for me..

      • Dr Sun

        I’ll take your word for it

    • denvereen

      I read that too; any real validity to it? Is it the ph level or something in the pee that kills bacteria or fungus?

      • Dr Sun

        apparently it was a common remedy used by U.S and AUS soldiers in Vietnam, Rick can tell you more he did 5 tours in VN before his 20 years as a ESL teacher in Hainan.

  • TheInconvenientRuth

    Pffff…. My husband had to go to a Provinical hospital to have a few stitches (he’s clumsy) and the doc told him he needed his appendix removed asap! For a mere 30,000rmb it could be done the same day! After pointing out that it had been removed a few years earlier- and showing him the scar, the ‘doctor’ dismissed this by saying: “That was the Western appendix, this time your Chinese appendix must be removed urgently.” You can’t even trust ‘real’ doctors here;
    locals get ripped off too so they may as well go for the cheapest scammer….

    • Dr Sun

      your worst attempt at trolling for a long time.

      you could at least try to make it even 1/2 believable, then the other trolls would leap in and support you.

      • TheInconvenientRuth

        Trust me “Dr” Sun, this is not even the worst story I have. But you calling true stories trolling says a lot about you.

    • Surfeit

      I know exactly what you’re talking about. My Chinese friends insisted I see a doctor they know rather than attending the local hospital, because ‘they will advise expensive, unnecessary treatment’.

      • SongYii

        Doctors in the US do this too, but a little more subtly. Instead of offering procedures, they do endless, unnecessary testing.

        My dad had his gall bladder removed in 1985 and the doctor charged him for having pre-emptly removed his appendix. 16 years later he had surgery to remove cancerous tissue from his intestines, and the doctors went ahead and… removed his appendix. :-D 1985 doctor had ripped him off and endangered his life.

    • SongYii

      I had a buddy who was refused treatment by a doctor in Guangdong because the doctor “does not understand foreigner’s anatomy.”

      • Probotector

        LOL, is that true? Where was he from?

        • SongYii

          Denver. He lives in Zhaoqing, a few hours west of GZ.

          I’ve heard all kinds of whacky things about doctors in China. Don’t trust a single one of them. A teacher at my school was told by his student “My doctor told me when I am pregnant, sex can cause head trauma to the baby, so I should only give oral sex.” I like that the doctor his sticking his neck out trying to get a fellow dude get some head, but…. its fucking incorrect!

          A lot of them just send you home telling you to drink lots of water. But at least its not piss.

          • vincent_t

            You better be grateful to those doc who send you home and ask you to drink water. Most doctors here would give you IV drips, whether you are fever, diarrhea, cancer, or you are just accompanying some1 to the hospital.

          • TheInconvenientRuth

            That happened to me. I accompanied a Western friend to hosptial just to translate and make sure she didn’t get ripped off… they insisted I needed an IV drip…

          • vincent_t

            what you f**king serious??!! Oh my, i was joking and now I am so blown away seeing my joke turns up to be a fact.

          • Probotector

            Hmn. After my wife had her cesarean, they put her on a saline I.V. for three weeks and told her the uterus will take three years to heal. Then they tried to make a few extra bucks by telling her she’ll need a hysterectomy and a blood transfusion, and that there’s a high probability of contracting HIV, because China, or Henan at least, doesn’t check to see if the blood they take is contaminated.

          • Dr Sun

            did you not just post the other day that your wife had a miscarriage / abortion, your full of shit.

          • Probotector

            No, it was a still birth, as a result of a placental abruption. They performed an emergency cesarean to get the baby out, but it was too late. They claimed the uterus was heavily bruised from the trauma, hence the suggestion of a hysterectomy, (even though that would have caused more trauma and internal bleeding, and was not sound medical advice). Everything I mentioned was what the doctors told us. I guess you know nothing about obstetrics either?!

          • Dr Sun

            well you didn’t say that originally did you, you keep embellishing the story . BTW in regard to a stage III abruption (which by the sounds of it , it was) depending on the cause(s) and resulting uterine damage, a hysterectomy may well be indicated. aggressive fluid resuscitation, blood transfusion and treatment for DIC(30% of cases).

            I assume you are HIV- so why didn’t you donate (assumption being you have the right sprinkles on your donuts) ?

          • Probotector

            My original comment on the matter was this one actually.

            “Probotector • 4 months ago
            For those of you that have known me of old, I am devastated to inform you that my unborn daughter died yesterday. There was an abruption of the placenta and she drowned in the amniotic fluid. There were only four weeks left until she was due to be born..”

            There’s no embellishment going on, you just don’t know all the facts, so you’re making assumptions, as usual.

            At the time, my sister, who is an obstetrician, argued that a hysterectomy would be unnecessary, since the patient had been stable for three weeks, as mentioned above.

            Anyway, you claim I am HIV. How can someone BE HIV? What? Or do you mean you assume I am HIV positive? Why would you assume that? Also, if you know anything about rights of abode in China, you’d know that a foreigner can’t live and work here with a chronic blood disease like HIV, so what are you talking about?

            You answered your own question about why I didn’t donate with the ‘sprinkles on your donuts’ remark. Yes my blood type is different. Surely you understand the risks of that don’t you, so why even raise this question in such a way?

            Now, please, stop trolling people and go have a drink. or something.

          • Dr Sun

            incorrect on all counts .

            I’m sorry but you don’t have a “emergent cesarean” as you just posted if the patient(s) have been “stable for 3 weeks”.

            In your op never made any mention of cesarean

            was your sister in China at the time and present in the room ?

            I said HIV- , that’s negative.

          • Probotector

            facepalm

            She was stable for 3 weeks following the cesarean, so my sister argued there was no need for a hysterectomy. The cesarean was an emergency because an abruption had taken place and it was believed at the time that the baby had to be removed immediately in order for her to survive, although it turned out to be in vain. I already mentioned this. Yes my sister was there, you were not, so let it go already and stop pressing me to relive this.

          • Dr Sun

            so the story changes yet again, bs……..

            its getting kind of embarrassing for you how you keep changing the story, give it up.

            just admit it was/is all fabricated nonsense to excite the other trolls.

          • Kai

            I really don’t think Probotector–for all that he could be faulted with–would sink so low as to make up a story about a dead baby “to excite the other trolls”. Unless you have more compelling evidence of him fabricating a sob story than simply exploiting a non-layman’s expertise to poke holes in a layman’s testimony, you will look like a huge ass doing this. Stick with articulating your disagreement with him on less personal and more relevant things.

          • mr.wiener

            Agreed, This personal attacks BS is getting out of hand.

          • Probotector

            my god you’re pathetic

          • DavidisDawei

            Dr Sun,
            Are you so jaded and angry, that you cannot simply pass along your condolences and let it go?
            If you are a practitioner of these Eastern religions you cited, then they must have some version of the Golden Rule….

          • Dr Sun

            sorry David, but I have little time for those that fabricate stories.

          • DavidisDawei

            I understand…
            Live Long and Prosper

          • DavidisDawei

            Sorry for your loss.

          • Probotector

            Appreciated

          • denvereen

            Zhaoqing, his name would not be L***y, or he did not own a bar in a hotel did he? I used to live in ZQ, some years back, nice enough place, but certainly no Yangshuo.

          • SongYii

            No, but I met that guy. He is a nutjob. Told my friend (who was rejected by the doctor) that the Triads were looking for me and a mutual friend and they were going to murder us for selling in their territory. Selling what, I have no idea.

            That bar closed 6 months back or so.

          • denvereen

            The bar in the hotel (downstairs as I recall, next to a big walmart,was closed when I was back there last IIRC). I was last there before christmas 2013 so can’t be too sure. Who is the nutjob, l***y you mean, or someone else? PM me if you can!

          • SongYii

            how do you pm? never done it

          • denvereen

            Not sure. Was this guy in his 60s, and had been in ZQ for some time? I do wonder if he is still there…

          • SongYii

            add me to wechat, songyi_sean

          • denvereen

            OK, but don’t have it right now.

          • SongYii

            Ok, well, sounds like the same guy. Maybe it was last fall the bar closed, I can’t remember exactly. Heard he opened another a few kms away.

          • denvereen

            Yes, Zhaoqing is smaller than most think. Were you working there?

          • SongYii

            No, just visit with someone else who used to live there named A**n.

          • denvereen

            How many years back was this? I used to know a bloke at the university called A**n from the UK, older guy?

          • SongYii

            No, more recent, and American, and not university.

          • denvereen

            Zhaoqing does tend to attract a lot of, ahem, characters. Did you happen upon any brits there perchance by the name of D***k or M****n?

          • SongYii

            No Brits. The only person I met there that I still talk to is the American who was refused medical service.

            Probably we should not continue filling the forum with our personal discussion. You can send me a message on wechat if you ever get it.

          • denvereen

            Ok man, I don’t have wechat right now though, no smartphone. I do need to get on it, so I’ll note your handle.

          • SongYii

            If you have a Mac laptop, its available in the App store.

          • Surfeit

            Yangshuo goes down a notch with each passing year. Such a hole now with people trying to fleece you.

          • denvereen

            I have to admit I didn’t like it last time I went…prices seemed to have gone up, and west street seemed more commercialized, even a mad cow disease (McD’s)…..eurrggghhh!!!!!

        • up’humzeke

          My friend with a broken arm was asked to take an x-ray of both arms so the doctor can compare the two.

          • Surfeit

            That’s golden! OMG a keeper!

          • Probotector

            LOL

          • Dr Sun

            not uncommon with many fractures, especially in trauma and children and the elderly.

      • TheInconvenientRuth

        One of my colleagues got told by the hosptial to go home because he had a Virus that only Western people can contract, therefore we cannot treat you. But they couldn’t say what the virus was. He was actually having an allergic reaction and needed anti-histamine.

        • SongYii

          Just reminded me of a guy I met at a bar about a year ago who lived in Qingdao in the early 90s… was quarantined for 3 days with a sunburn!! :-D Doctors had no idea what was wrong with him, wouldn’t believe the patient that it was from the sun.

        • Ryo Saeba

          Chinese here don’t believe in allergies. They always think you just have a cold and needed an IV drop at the hospital.

        • Insomnicide

          I’m not sure if this is a fact to be proud of or not, but Chinese people do not understand allergies as the majority of Chinese people are immune to allergies.

          I for one have never been allergic to anything, nor any of my family or my Chinese friends.

          • TheInconvenientRuth

            That might explain the difficulty we had in finding a doc that could prescribe him a new epi-pen and then the trouble finding a pharmacy that actually had one.

          • Dax

            Allergies can, at least in part, be caused by growing up in an environment that is too clean. Without any genuine threats to deal with the immune system gets overly sensitive to things that aren’t dangerous. I guess the general lack of cleanliness, at least by western standards, does have some benefits.

    • jojolapatate

      When to an hospital in Chongqing a few months ago, coughing some blood, heavy flu something like that…
      I had to translate with my phone “no placebo drugs”, then he said “ho, you don’t want chinese medicine ? i got it…”

      • Dr Sun

        right , your nailed, coughing up blood with the flu, your true stories are verging on the ridiculous.

        • jojolapatate

          Actually the blood was coming from irritated throat by too much coughing…
          I guess you might be a genuine Chinese doctor ! :=)

          • Dr Sun

            oh bullshit, coughing up blood from a irritated throat due to having the flu, the idiots may fall for that, no medical professional would.
            if you’re going to post medical stuff at least try and make it somewhat plausible.

          • jojolapatate

            Yeah you are right, like if i told you chinese doctors took blood from my wifes’ leg to put it into her arm, in order to cure her allergies.

            I think i still got the picture of “Synthetic Tiger Bone Powder” drug doctors gave me when i broke my perone…

            But anyways Dr Sun, you are right, China has the greatest Doctors ever ! And i’m the one writing bullshits :=)

          • Dr Sun

            “And i’m the one writing bullshits”

            indeed you are

          • jojolapatate

            I will quote TheInconvenientRuth :
            “But you calling true stories trolling says a lot about you.” (c)

            5 mao ? hahaha

          • jojolapatate

            Artificial Tiger Bone Powder, around 300 rmb / week for 8 weeks ^^

    • firebert5

      *Facepalms*
      Oh, wait…facepalms are legitimate treatments here, right? I should be feeling better already!

  • Raymond

    • Germandude

      God, how much I loved watching those shows when I was stoned. Nothing more bizarre than religious fools…

      • Probotector

        Stoned fools perhaps?

        • Germandude

          Stoned you are talking about sth fun, or solve world problems in no time. Sth that still makes sense some how.

          These shows preaching the resurrection of Jesus the allmighty and how you were born a child of god and stuff. Haha, I think the preachers were more stoned than me…

          • Probotector

            Strange thing is, I know you’re being serious.

          • Germandude

            What do you mean? Am I confusing you or what?

          • Probotector

            Maybe. Are you saying that being stoned solves the world’s problems?

          • Germandude

            No, not at all. What I am saying is: When you are stoned (or when I was stoned), you can easily get excited about simple things and easily discuss about complex topics and solve those.
            Meaning: Being stoned makes things simpler because you are easily convinced by others.
            Pretty much you become like the core target audience religions focus on. Simple-minded, thought-limited fools that think they can solve world hunger.

            Got my meaning now?

          • Probotector

            Fair enough, it just wasn’t worded well. As for religion, if you want to be an atheist, then fine, but I wouldn’t say religion is for the simple minded, more like the desperate minded.

          • Germandude

            Fair enough. Those too. Probably I was too harsh, but the above youtube video is, well, it brought me back 15 years in time… haha

          • SongYii

            I am atheist, but I have religious friends who are not dicks about it. Its a personal thing to them, it serves them well, they are strong-minded, mature individuals doing better than most.

            That throngs of the world’s dipshits are drawn to religion of one kind or another doesn’t make religion bad or turn people into sheep. Those people would be dipshits with or without religion in their lives.

  • moop

    pure quackery

  • Yes!

    “So-called Chinese culture doesn’t seem to have much to be complimented. The kind of people you have is the kind of government you have, which can also be said vice versa.”

    Hear Hear!

  • tomoe723

    Drinking your own urine? Ewww.. I’ll only do this when there’s no other water left on earth. Even then, I’d still reconsider dying of thirst than drink my own urine. This is just gross… haven’t they heard of natural spring water? Not the bottled ones, but from actual hot springs. It’s sweet too.

    • vincent_t

      wait what? What does it have to do with natural spring water? It cures stupidity?

      • Surfeit

        Apparently not.

      • tomoe723

        If they wanted medicinal water, instead of urine (which I presume they drink for the mineral content of urine), they should try natural spring water. Some might smell of sulfur, but it’s drinkable. Other types are sweet too. I’ve tried it.

    • SongYii

      I think you cannot imagine how incredibly painful it is to die from dehydration.

      • tomoe723

        Do you see animals drinking their own piss? And if you died of dehydration, I doubt you’ll have enough water in your body to take a piss.

        • SongYii

          People trapped at sea or in the desert report consuming their own urine. Its a desperate measure.

          • tomoe723

            But even so, I doubt they’d drink it from its natural state. They probably have some process to recycle waste water. That’s different from pictures in this article.

  • FYIADragoon

    When you call scientifically produced medicine with quantifiable results, “Western medicine,” and the stuff that you refuse to put under laboratory study that only has a placebo effect, “Chinese medicine,” its no wonder your people end up this way. Happy my health insurance covers international clinics.

  • Sydney Ma

    Stupid beliefs, China is really a backward country.

    • mr.wiener

      Well lets compare that to some of the stupid fads the west get into before we make any sweeping generalizations, shall we?

      • Probotector

        Water sports perhaps? Are you deflecting btw?

        • mr.wiener

          Deflecting now? Lordy I’m such a liberal sino~apologist ;)
          I just think before you condem an entire country as being backward because of the beliefs of a few you should examine your own backyard.

          • Probotector

            The way you worded it seems like you’re saying, you can’t criticise China because your country does XYZ. One’s country doesn’t need to be perfect, (and no one’s country is), in order for citizens of said country to make critical comments. You guys put this story up there, you can’t complain when some people naturally criticise Chinese society for beliefs that to them seem bizarre and lacking in any practical merit.

            Nevertheless, to answer your inquiry, weird fads that happen in the west are normally a lot more damaging to society and some may come and go, but many do not. At least these Chinese practicing health hysteria aren’t hurting anyone else (usually, unless they force others to against their will).

            Still, it should be noted that many of the practices described above are not only omnipresent in China; practiced by many, many people, but they are considered to be of undeniable benefit and truth, even though to the simplest layman from elsewhere in the world, they clearly aren’t.

          • mr.wiener

            Do you like cornflakes?

          • denvereen

            http://www.stayfreemagazine.org/10/graham.htm

            Every boy should eat “moral fiber”. Helps control the need to slap one’s salami as the seppos would say?!

          • Kai

            No, the way he worded it, he’s discouraging “sweeping generalizations”.

            By the same logic, the way you worded your argument seems like you’re saying one can make critical comments including sweeping generalizations as long as someone gives you an excuse to “naturally” criticize that which seems bizarre and lacking in any practical merit.

            So maybe Chinese people should make critical comments including sweeping generalizations about certain Western countries where people knock on wood for good luck?

            Also, I think what is irksome about many comments is the presumption that one represents everyone else in the world vis a vis the Chinese. I would personally generalize that the simplest layman from many “Western” or first-world countries would find some of these stupid things too many Chinese fall for incredulous. However, the world is really, REALLY big and there are a LOT of people who are not in the “Western” or first-world countries. There are tons of simple laymen in SEA, South America, Eastern Europe, Africa, the Middle East (for examples) who are gullible enough to subscribe to folk remedies. That there are companies who spend money marketing “miracle” this or that in English to English-speaking markets also doesn’t really speak well for the “simplest layman” of English-speaking countries either. People don’t spend money unless there’s enough market.

            So, to reiterate, don’t make comments that pit “the rest of the world” or “elsewhere in the world” versus China when what you’re thinking of is actually only a part of the world. Don’t make these sort of comments because you are ultimately coming across as trying to argue the inferiority of a country and its people relative to “everyone else”. The numbers aren’t necessarily on your side, and your motivation for making such a sweeping generalization of a juxtaposition in the first place potentially reveals your prejudice.

            Do you understand my point? There are ways to make critical comments without sabotaging your own credibility by invoking logical fallacies.

          • Probotector

            STFU

    • vincent_t

      Just curious, where do you come from?

      • Sydney Ma

        Not from China, just because my ancestors were Chinese doesn’t mean that I am or believe any of the superstitions going on in this country.

        • SongYii

          Most of the people here are of European ancestry. Europeans also used to believe a lot of whacky shit.

          • Mihel

            I know some old people in the remote and barbaric lands of southern Italy still believe in the “evil eye” and shit like that.

          • SongYii

            I don’t even know what that is, but it don’t sound good!

        • vincent_t

          Just because your ancestors were Chinese, surely you have the right to condemn China and talk as if none of your compatriot practice any weird shit. Makes sense, miss moral high ground.

  • Irvin

    Most of these things are only placebos but some of them does have therapeutic effects. Getting sting by bees, ants or other insects strengthen our body’s own immune system.

    Urine contains alot of things our bodies synthesize like testosterone and it isn’t exclusively a chinese thing, some western people does it as well, just google it.

  • Irvin

    What do you think river water is? it’s diluted piss.

    • Nova_REMIX

      Again, ew.

  • Which treatment will make me taller, whiter and have bigger breasts?

    • SongYii

      Gene therapy.

  • Mydnight

    Having lived in China for 11 years, I’m pretty desensitized to all of this. From urine eggs to eating live mice, the Chinese never seem to lack imagination in their search for panacea. Why can’t they understand that going to the gym, not smoking so much and drinking less could be the answer to 80 percent of their health problems? I suppose laziness and ignorance are better excuses.

    • Surfeit

      11 years and you still don’t get it.

  • Science Patrol

    China has much to offer the world. This is not it.

  • LuoyangLaowai

    Idiot Chinese. I bet I could make a fortune selling my old Toe nail clippings to these people telling them if they eat it them It would cure Headaches. I knew a guy in Sichuan who told his Chinese girlfriend that Rubbing cum on her was was good for her skin… Guess what she did at night.

    • SongYii

      Had a giant bukkake party? Let all the neighborhood boys cum all over her?

  • Rnr2

    Not all traditional medecine is Bunk. But it is very hard to sift the wheat from the chaff. I can maybe beleive in some of it but there is no way i am drinking my own piss! Some of these pratices seem borderline dangerous, and as we all know a lot the so called medecine comes from endangered animals. So is the chinese gov trying to anything about it?

  • BoXilai

    Backwards nation.

  • Jack Teo

    As long you believe in it there will be some kind of placebo effect. And that effect can be so strong that something there is no words can explain when a terminally illness is cure.

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