Japanese Pick Up Trash After World Cup Game, Chinese Reactions

Japanese fans clean up their section after World Cup match

From NetEase:

World Cup Japanese Football Fans Pick Up Trash in the Stands in the Rain After Match

June 15th local time, during the 2014 Brazil World Cup Group C match at Brazil’s Recife Pernambuco Arena, the Ivory Coast team faced off against the Japan team. Thought ultimately defeated by their opponent, the Japanese players bowed to their fans in the stands after the end of match, leaving a deep impression upon people. Moreover, the character/behavior of the Japanese fans watching the match also received praise, when they stayed after the match wearing raincoats braving the rain to pick up the garbage littered inside the stadium.

Japanese fans clean up their section after World Cup match

Japanese fans clean up their section after World Cup match

Japanese fans clean up their section after World Cup match

Japanees players

Japanese fans

Comments from NetEase:

[网易浙江省网友] 长城先生:

Only by having the courage to face one’s shortcomings, can one gradually improve oneself. Both [Japan and China] are in Asia, Japan can be a mirror for us…

我朝一切皆有可能 [懂球帝]:

Although I don’t like little Japan!
But I will still upvote this!

276417254 [网易浙江省台州市网友]:

A country’s power and prosperity is not without its reasons.

怎么又扯着蛋了 [懂球帝]:

A formidable nation/people.

nickrou [网易上海市网友]:

When this abnormal nation is sometimes normal, there are a lot of things worth us as a neighboring country learning from and respecting.

网易辽宁省抚顺市网友 ip:60.18.*.*:

What’s there to compare [for China with Japan]? Can’t compare now and still can’t compare in the future.

网易浙江省台州市网友 [lovest21]:

Why is NetEase’s attitude biased towards Japan?
We also have volunteers, who also pick up trash, but how come we don’t see [NetEase] giving publicity to that?

车载指南针 [网易浙江省杭州市网友]: (responding to above)

You’re talking about sanitation workers, right?

网易山西省临汾市网友 [鱼打芭蕉2]:

Because [the trash] was discarded by Japanese people, naturally they themselves will pick it up. The football fans of other countries didn’t litter, so naturally they didn’t need to pick them up. —— Japanese people also know of their negative image in the world, so they use such actions to win the approval of the world. But disguised wolves are still wolves.

西坡盲流 [网易山东省青岛市网友]:

You can not like Japan, even dislike Japan, but we can’t deny this kind of gap, this disparity in civilization [specifically, civic consciousness].

zhouxing998er [网易江苏省南京市网友]:

Being abroad means you will represent your own country. It doesn’t matter if you are a star, a dignitary, or an ordinary person, be mindful of your wods, actions, and bearing. Don’t always be thinking of places for plaza dancing.

网易黑龙江省哈尔滨市网友 ip:113.6.*.*:

Chinese fans cleaned up the stands after watching games a few years ago, what’s the big deal? Using the [good] characters/behavior of Japanese sports fans to disparage the characters of all Chinese people, that’s truly sad!!!!! Go to Baidu and enter: Evergrande fans pick up litter after game, and to look at the behavior of Chinese fans a few years ago. Seeing Japanese fans today clean the stands, some Chinese make a big deal about character as if some big point has been made. Talk about laughable and sad!!!!!

老衲爱射精 [德国球迷]:

Putting aside history, the character of Japanese people indeed are admirable, and worth our countrymen learning from.

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  • bang2tang

    don’t forget their jav idol also so admirable…

    • WFH

      now, if only it was hot JAV models in maid outfits picking up the trash….

      • Boris

        You might be onto something…..

        I see a gangbang and bukkake special coming out soon taking place in a football stadium. Now why hasn’t Fred Fong thought of this?

  • Apothis

    Somehow I don’t ever see the Chinese doing this. They would be more likely to create the trash….sadly.

    • Pharenheit

      “Somehow I don’t ever see the Chinese doing this. They would be more likely to create the trash….sadly.”

      You could supplement ‘Chinese’ in your comment with basically any nationality.

      • Apothis

        But I didn’t because I know. It took two years for my Chinese wife to realize that you don’t just throw your candy /food wrappers on the ground.

        • Irvin

          Most chinese women that marry foreigners have poor characters, yes, sometimes the truth is sad.

          • Don’t Believe the Hype

            jealous much?

          • Irvin

            Absolutely green with envy.

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            Funny how i think it’s the exact opposite

          • Irvin

            And now you know you thought wrong.

          • MonkeyMouth

            you’re an idiot

          • Irvin

            I’m a genius.

          • Zappa Frank

            not sad as the truth of so many single males in china that cannot find any woman, poor or good character. That is really sad.

        • FYIADragoon

          You’re the one what was okay with marrying someone with such poor character. Being an ESL does limit one to that pool though.

          • Don’t Believe the Hype

            lol, u attack him because you know its true

          • Apothis

            Couldn’t dignify that ignorance with a response…….

          • MonkeyMouth

            how did this comment get 19 upvotes?

          • Paul Schoe

            Why can’t we see the number of down-votes?
            such a pity

          • bang2tang

            i should send feedback to disqus.

          • Paul Schoe

            Many people did after Disqus cancelled display of the down-votes.
            Instead they should allow the individual site-managers to decide whether they want to show the down-votes or not. For some sites, showing the down-votes does indeed not work, but for sites like ChinaSmack it was a very good tool for us readers to show our discontent with certain posts.

            i still hope that one day, Disqus will change it’s policy.

        • Pharenheit

          Two years? That could only be true if she were a real country bumpkin with no education.

          • Apothis

            My Chinese wife is a degreed Engineer with an MBA and she speaks fluent English. Her entire family is college educated also. It was a habit that she obviously learned in China that she has since unlearned. Any other stupid comments Pharenheit?

          • Pharenheit

            Then you have my condolences, she must truly be exceptionally stubborn.

        • Mateusz82

          And she is way ahead of the curve.

        • Kai

          It took most of the world thousands of years to realize the same thing. No doubt the Chinese are behind the curve on this. The Chinese once looked down on others for what they considered uncouth and backwards behavior/habits. Now the tables have turned. It’s probably wiser for these other people to not make the same mistake of being too arrogant and self-righteous.

          • mr.wiener

            ……but they won’t.

          • Kai

            Who won’t what?

          • mr.wiener

            Now the boot is on the other foot, previously poor and uncouth folk are only too ready to look down their noses at others further down the curve…
            Human nature really.

      • Yeah you could say any nationality that’s why my child gets punished for littering. I’d like to see that in China.

    • 白色纯棉小裤裤

      As mentioned in one of the comments, “Evergrande fans pick up litter after game”
      Somehow you choose to ignore it, sadly.

      • Apothis

        I commented on the article, not a comment. And yes sometimes the truth is sad.

        • 白色纯棉小裤裤

          The truth is some Chinese football fans pick up litter after game.
          And yes it may be sad for you.

          • Don’t Believe the Hype

            you think one picture of one Chinese person (who may not have even been from the mainland) is the same as at least 4 separate photos of japanese people picking up trash ? Denying that that behavior exists is exactly why it continues today.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Nope, Evergrade fans pick up litter after every single match, whether its in beijing, Japan or Korea.

            Somehow it’s a big news when Japanese pick up trash, but its not news when Chinese do the same thing.

          • Edward Kay

            The point is only a minority of the Chinese do this, whereas the Japanese do this during F1 or any other events. To date, I have yet to see any other nationality using a portable ashtray. Each have their pros and cons.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Chinese have much to learn from the Japanese.
            But saying Chinese football fans don’t pick up litter is a lie.

            And saying Japanese do this in all events is also a lie.

          • Zappa Frank

            We don’t say Chinese football fans, we say Chinese in general in their lives .. Like everyone who have been in china knows.. Trash is everywhere. Is it genetic?

          • Alex Dương

            Is it genetic?

            Seriously? Go to Taiwan, Hong Kong, or Singapore and tell us if it’s “genetic.”

          • Zappa Frank

            I don’t say really is genetic, just that he likes to use genetic explanation for everything convenient and I wonder why he doesn’t use the same explanation for what is unconvenient

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            If you disagree with me please be a man and beat my argument in the old discussion with valid evidences and reasoning, instead of running away from the discussion like a coward and start trolling in every new topic.

          • Zappa Frank

            evidence that school results are not genetic factor? you are not familiar with science, you should bring evidence of your theory, but simply there are no evidences.. you like to use the genetic explanation as for your convenience since it hepls your racist theory, with no evidences, to show the absurd of your use of genetic i’ve pointed out that your nochalantery use of genetic justification could be used for everything..

          • Boris

            You’re taking a comment clearly as a stab at something or trolling seriously.

          • Alex Dương

            Not sure what you’re trying to say here.

          • Boris

            Read Frank’s response to your post. I’m sure you’ll understand then.

          • Alex Dương

            I already did. Your point is…what? I should’ve known Frank wasn’t being serious? My goodness, you must not be very familiar with comments here at cS if that is your point.

          • Boris

            “My goodness, you must not be very familiar with comments here at cS if that is your point.”

            I am. And I am sure you are famillier with the regular commentators, such as Frank (who you have conversed with a few times).

            If you were some random dude who was not familiar with CS, Frank and the usual commentators, I would not have made that comment to you.

          • Alex Dương

            The “usual / regular commentators” can surprise you every now and then. I used to think that ScottLoar was pretty damn reasonable. Then I got into an argument with him where he tried to downplay the existence of racism in the U.S. against Asians to the point where he almost claimed it didn’t exist at all. That discussion didn’t end so well.

            In Frank’s case, overall, I think he’s pretty reasonable. My only disagreement with him, which I’ve told him before, is that I think he tends to significantly underestimate the prevalence of racism in the West. I can’t speak for his country of Italy, but in the U.S., while racism is hardly commonplace and much less common than it once was, it’s not all that surprising when you hear the occasional story of someone being a dumbass. Frank, however, always seems genuinely shocked at these stories.

            tl;dr People can surprise you.

          • Boris

            To be honest Alex, it is hard to put comments across online and arguements happen because when reading things we may miss something written. I read through comments fairly quickly.

            Then there are certain comments from regulars you can tell are angling for another regular commentator. Basically, its like bait.

            The ScottLoar arguement you had, I believe I glanced through it. I can’t remember all the details. And to be honest, I have no desire to go through a long topic like that. I usually comment on day to day and if anyone replies to me.

            Also, sometimes I like trolling people here. I troll you sometimes because you do take things very seriously.

          • Alex Dương

            If you glanced through it, then you know what I’m talking about: people can surprise you. Scott’s not the only one, either. noodles used to make somewhat reasonable comments. Then in the past few days, he went full retard multiple times.

            As another example, at times, I think Rick in China makes very reasonable points. At other times, I think he says really stupid stuff. My first bad impression of him was when he told me that since Japan lost WWII, I shouldn’t refer to Akihito as the Emperor of Japan. WTF, this is coming from a Canadian who you’d think knows what a figurehead does in a constitutional monarchy.

            tl;dr troll harder, brah.

          • MonkeyMouth

            hahah….

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            It’s like meeting Chinese students back at uni all over again. Pathetic

          • wes707

            Trashing a national holiday says a lot about the national character:
            http://shanghaiist.com/2014/06/06/look_shenzheners_celebrate_dragon_b.php

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Trashing a national holiday says a lot about the national character:
            http://girlschannel.net/topics/36644/

          • Aja Aja

            This is a bit true. Koreans have been doing this since 2010 World Cup, but there were no international hype.

            http://kissthedate.tistory.com/category/2010%20%EB%82%A8%EC%95%84%EA%B3%B5%20%EC%9B%94%EB%93%9C%EC%BB%B5

            http://biz.heraldcorp.com/view.php?ud=20100628000751

            http://www.korea.net/NewsFocus/Society/view?articleId=103208

            It should only be common sense and duty to clean up after yourself and don’t give bad impressions to others, especially at other people’s homes.

          • Boris

            Its news in China. I don’t know how much international hype there is really.

          • Kai

            It’s “news” in China because many Chinese share the same criticisms foreigners have of Chinese littering and lack of civic consciousness. That it is news in China is both “bad” and “good”. Bad because this has to be used to shame people into improving; good because there are homegrown efforts to shame people into improving.

          • Boris

            I’m only responding to the so called ‘International hype’ comments and pointing out I’ve not seen this make waves in other news outlets.

          • Mighty曹

            HAHAHA… what a joke! This looks like just one fan cleaning up her own mess (very commendable, I must add) compared to the Japanese picking up the mess left by other fans. FAIL

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Regardless of how you feel it looks like, it is a FACT that guangzhou football fans pick up trash after every game they watch.
            http://roll.sohu.com/20130514/n375887900.shtml

            http://we.sportscn.com/viewnews-1382339.html

            You FAIL

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            You are in complete denial sir. Trying to justify what is shockingly obvious to absolutely everybody in China (foreigners and Chinese people alike) by showing us a few pictures of people picking up newspapers. Keep it up.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            I don’t know what you are talking about.
            The topic here is picking up trash after football games.
            My point is some Chinese football fans pick up trash everywhere they go. And I have proven it.

            Oh if you think a few pictures are not enough please show me some pictures of your country men picking up trash after a football match.

      • lacompacida

        Once in 65 years is a great accomplishment.

        • 白色纯棉小裤裤

          It’s not a great accoumplishment, its not even a news that guangzhou football fans pick up litter after every single match in foreign countries.

          Somehow some people think Japanese picking up litter after one match is a great accomplishment, and say Chinese never do so.

          • firebert5

            Since this is only news in China, I think that speaks for itself.

          • Kai

            United States:

            http://nesn.com/2014/06/japan-fans-pick-up-their-own-trash-after-team-loses-world-cup-game-photo/

            http://jezebel.com/gracious-japanese-world-cup-fans-clean-up-stadium-after-1591298011

            http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/soccer-dirty-tackle/japanese-fans-clean-up-their-section-after-world-cup-match-against-ivory-coast-015533399.html

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/16/japan-fans-clean-stadium_n_5499848.html

            http://www.reddit.com/r/worldcup/comments/2882gv/japans_fans_cleaning_up_their_sections_after/

            United Kingdom:

            http://metro.co.uk/2014/06/16/world-cup-2014-japan-fans-clear-up-litter-after-opening-defeat-to-ivory-coast-4762969/

            http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/worldcup/world-cup-2014-japanese-fans-clean-stadium-after-losing-21-against-ivory-coast-9539793.html

            http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/world-cup-2014-japan-fans-3702729

            Here’s an interesting one, in Japan:

            http://en.rocketnews24.com/2014/06/17/were-japanese-soccer-fans-wrong-to-clean-up-after-themselves-at-the-world-cup/

            There are a number of one-word phrases in the Japanese language that, try as you might, just can’t be summed up anywhere near as succinctly in English. ‘Atarimae‘ is one of them. Used to describe a situation, behaviour or feeling that is entirely natural and obvious to all concerned, the phrase has been used with tremendous frequency this week by Japanese reacting to news that people the world over were applauding their country’s football fans for cleaning up their section of the stadium after their World Cup game last weekend. “Why wouldn’t you clean up after yourself?” people asked. “It’s atarimae.”

            [@MightyChow:disqus so they weren’t picking up the trash of “other” fans, unless you’re referring to other Japanese fans who littered and left, of which there of course were, and of course this still doesn’t take away from how cool these Japanese people are.]

            Back to you firebert. Obviously, these results are skewed by the fact I conducted my search in English and only got English-language results, but this was hardly only news in China.

            I think it is fair to say the general Chinese population is lacking when it comes to their attitudes about littering and civic consciousness. I think it is fair to say there are nationalities which are generally better than the Chinese in this regard, with the Japanese being one of them. I think it is also fair to say littering is hardly a problem limited to the Chinese, especially when it comes to the amount of litter typically seen at most sporting events around the world. I think it is fair to push back against people going a bit too far in making it seem like the Chinese are unique in this regard.

          • Irvin

            Some people just have a single track mind that prevents them see things from another perspective. A lot of them think that anything that differs from their value isn’t values at all.

          • Kai

            They think little white panties is saying Chinese are just as litter-conscious as the Japanese are, when that’s not what he said. They’re straw-manning him, but to be fair, he’s not doing a great job defending himself either.

          • Irvin

            He should’ve done what I did, don’t dignify trolls with a response.

          • Kai

            They’re not all trolls. People need to stop throwing “troll” around. It has to be people who are commenting dishonestly because they think it is fun to wind people up..

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            Sure in Japan it’s probably not a great accomplishment to not behave like a pig. In China let me tell you that people picking rubbish up would be a great accomplishment.
            Oh! So Evergrande fans pick up their rubbish? Such big boys! Mummy is so proud!
            In 9 years of China i haven’t seen anything but garbage all over the place, and people, when confronted, justifying that somebody is going to come and pick it up.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Wrong, very few people care when Evergrande fans pick up the trash, Japanese people picking up trash in the world cup gets 1000 times more attention.
            Just type “japan litter world cup” in Google you will see hundreds of thousands of results.
            So its indeed “Japanese fans pick up their rubbish! Such a great accomplishment, I can’t wait to s*** their d***s !”

            The topic here is picking up litter after football games.
            However its glad to see you sharing your experience.
            Can’t imagine what a loser one is that he has to stick in a place that pissed him off for 9 years.

          • Germandude

            What is so difficult to understand?

            The difference: Evergrande fans picked up their trash while being on a domestic game. This is Chinese news.

            Japanese fans picked up their trash in Brazil, ABROAD, while the whole world is keeping an eye on that event, the teams, the fans etc. The Japanese gesture of caring about their trash while in Brazil fits perfectly into the FIFA picture of uniting the world through this event.

            Besides this, Japanese tourists are known to be extremely polite, friendly, caring and clean when going abroad. Check online what image Chinese tourists have. Cleaning up rubbish after a football game in your home country doesn’t change that image because it’s a drop of water on a forest fire.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Wrong, Evergrande fans also picked up their trash in Korea and Japan.
            This photo is taken in Korea.

          • Germandude

            I cannot judge it, but hopefully Korean and Japanese media then also reported about this.

            I am not trying to downplay the act of the Chinese fans picking up their trash. I just tried to explain why the Japanese fans got such support by the media.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            quote from a Korean commentor.

            This is a bit true. Koreans have been doing this since 2010 World Cup, but there were no international hype.

            http://kissthedate.tistory.com

            http://biz.heraldcorp.com/view

            http://www.korea.net/NewsFocus

            It should only be common sense and duty to clean up after yourself and don’t give bad impressions to others, especially at other people’s homes.

          • Mighty曹

            WRONG You failed to convince me, or anyone, with your initial photo of a school girl who could very well be just a volunteer cleaning rubbish.

            Btw, I thought most Chinese don’t consider people in Guangzhou as ‘Chinese’. Now you find pride in them? FAIL!

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            What? I myself is Guangzhou people, and I don’t even know a single person that doesn’t consider me as Chinese. Man you really fail, big time.

          • Mighty曹

            Ne yi ma zhong hai do?

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            想睇我识唔识广东话?真係好好笑。你fail咗, fail big time 知唔知?你都唔似广东人,广东人唔会似你咁唔当自己中国人,我觉得你最多係个港灿咋。

          • Mighty曹

            I take that as a ‘yes’.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            点解唔用广东话答我架?

          • Mighty曹

            Ngor ton 傻屄 yao me-ye ho kong ah?

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            唔该打中文啦,唔通你喺个唔识打中文既傻屄?

          • Mighty曹

            Ngor mo wah ngor sek se 中文. Sek wah ne hai a gor ho fan ge “小姐”. Sic xi ah ne!

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            连中文都唔识写仲话我唔系中国人,你搞笑咩

          • Mighty曹

            You’re just too stupid to feel silly about this but I’ll make it clear, 我不是中国人.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Its extremely amusing when someone who is not Chinese came and told me that I am not considered Chinese by most Chinese people. And I really feel silly about that.

          • Mighty曹

            I did reiterate that Beijingers and Shanghainese don’t consider Guangzhou people as ‘Chinese’. Yes you can list people you know outside of your region who don’t feel that way but wait until a spat arise.
            Btw, ne zhong mei hoi gor wok?

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Beijingers and Shanghainese don’t consider Guangzhou people as ‘Chinese’.

            Thats something I totally unheard of, perhaps you know more as a foreigner than me as a Guangzhou people. Please give me an example when Beijing and Shanghai people said “广州人不是中国人”

          • Mighty曹

            “开镬” but I already know.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            “开镬”

            That sentence does not make any sense

            but I already know.

            Know what?

          • Mighty曹

            LMAO!!!

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            It seems you failed to answer my questions. So 1. “Beijingers and Shanghainese don’t consider Guangzhou people as ‘Chinese’. ” is an idiotic statement. 2. Your Cantonese is really poor.

          • Mighty曹

            A statement is a merely statement. How is that idiotic? If I say “You need to get laid”, is that idiotic?
            My lack of ability to ‘pinyin’ does not mean my Cantonese is poor. Your assertion proves, once again, the ignorance you demonstrate over the internet. Also, what I said was in ‘slang’. Aren’t you smart enough to figure that out?

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            The statement “most Chinese don’t consider Guangzhou people as Chinese” is idiotic because:
            A. It’s coming from a foreigner who have no authentication on the issue at all
            B. That’s the opposite of the feeling of Guangzhou people.
            C. The foreigner who said that have no reasons/ evidences to support his claim.

          • Mighty曹

            Then it can easily be dismissed as ‘non-sense’. Saying it’s “idiotic” is lending too much consideration to an obvious non-sense. Someone of your ‘intelligence’ falls for this absurdity and goes as far to ask for ‘reasons/evidences’ is comical. You fell for the trap and I’m laughing at you.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            That’s exactly what I want from you.After all you admitted that your statement is “non-sense”.

          • Mighty曹

            Now you’re really being dumb. Maybe you can understand this:
            1) I baited you with an absurd statement knowing you’ll throw your typical ‘logic, facts, evidence’ argument. DONE
            2) I tell you it was a ‘non-sense’ statement designed to lure you. You think you got me to admit what you wanted. LOL

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            People don’t throw absurd statements intentionally to bite others on the internet unless they are trolls.
            Now you are basically admitting that you are a troll.
            Not only you are a troll, you are bad at trolling too, because normal trolls won’t be so stupid to admit that they are trolling.

          • Mighty曹

            Show me facts or evidence on what constitute a ‘good’ troll versus a ‘bad’ one. Provide some links of studies or tests to support your claim. Also, your logic is flawed if you think ‘admitting’ one’s action is stupid.
            ps: I’m sure you’re not aware that I was mocking you above.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Since you admitted that you are trolling, there is no evidences needed for any claims that’s against you. Because you are saying non-sense by default. Actually you are a good troll, a good troll is a stupid one.

          • Mighty曹

            (Yet you fell for it again).
            erm…. oh okay.
            .
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            .
            lmfao

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            You are running out of words again? Mr Troll.

          • Mighty曹

            Why, thank you. The fool who feeds the troll.
            As for the volume of words, it seems I have broken my promise to never again waste them on you. How sad.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Yeah you seems quite reasonable in the beginning but you ended up trolling after you failed miserably. You should never be involved in any rational discussion with me because you will fail in the end. So why not start trolling from the beginning.

          • Mighty曹

            You are now contradicting yourself by saying my ‘idiotic’ statement was ‘reasonable’. Fine example of what a ‘rational discussion’ is. Who fails in the end??
            Ne yi ma ho chao ah.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            A reasonable person does not necessarily make correct statements, by he will be ashamed if his statements are proven to be idiotic, however when your statement failed, you turned out to be a troll. Please keep trolling and show off you problematic “Cantonese” pinyin, Mr. Troll.

          • Mighty曹

            How does one feel ashamed when he was the one who admitted his intention? Another of your failure to identify such. Just as you expect me to feel ashamed by calling me a ‘troll’. Ouch! That really hurts my feeling….. booohooo…. but thank you for the respectful title of ‘Mr.’. Let me go cry some more.
            You obviously understands my Cantonese pinyin to be affected.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            That was not you intention Mr. Troll . But it becomes your intention to save face once you realized that you failed big times. However you loss more face by admitting yourself a troll. Its fun to see a troll that’s going insane, because it should be the purpose of the troll to make people mad.

          • Mighty曹

            ‘Saving face’ is so Chinese and you’re the prime example. I doesn’t bother me what you or anyone think so there is no need for such an trivial act. But I must say you’ve mastered the art of ‘saving face’.
            BFD if I’m a troll or not. (btw, accusing someone of being a troll is so overrated and non-effectual). Are you receiving the desired effect? haha… I bet not. So carry on with whatever that makes you feel better about yourself while I laugh at you. (If that’s your distorted notion of my going insane).

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            You acted like a troll, said that you are a troll and now you begin to deny it. That’s truly a desperate effort of saving face. Whether you acknowledge it or not, your actions have shown that you are a master of face saving Mr. Troll. And you deny that you were mad again that’s an attempt to save your little face. However the fact that it took you 18 hours to calm down and reply to me proved that you were really really mad Mr. Troll. Btw, saying you are not saving face when you are proven to be putting a lot of effort into face saving is also an attempt to save face. Such a pathetic little troll, he just made three attempts to save face in one single comment.

          • Mighty曹

            What??? How can you misunderstand what I said? Show me where I denied being a troll. I said ‘BFD if I’m a troll or not’, which means it doesn’t matter even If I AM one.
            Prove to me that I am mad (or insane). 18 hours? To ‘calm down’? From what? it is now 09:20 Pacific Time, I’m in San Francisco. I logged out of here (from work) at 15:30 yesterday. Yes I DO have a life away from work when I’m usually online.
            It IS you who’s going insane monitoring my hours online and waiting for me to respond to your latest comment. (so funny!) Isn’t that pathetic?
            Here…..
            – Mr. Troll (me)

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            accusing someone of being a troll is so overrated and non-effectual

            Thank you for making it clear, Mr. Troll, but I am not accusing you of being a troll, I just stated the fact that you are a troll. Now you said that no only you are a troll, but you are also trolling at work. For someone who trolled 4k+ comments at work, hes working ethic is, well, very questionable.

          • Mighty曹

            Believe it! I’m getting paid to troll and having fun at your expense. It’s definitely better than the 5 mao you get for each post.
            I must be under your blemished skin if you are bothered to notice my number of comments. :D
            You have nothing else to say about me so you now question my work ethics. tsk…tsk…. pathetic.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Well nothing will hurt the feeling of a troll of course, especially when he is so proud to be trolling at work.

          • Mighty曹

            Another contradiction of yours. First you claim I needed 18 hours to calm down from an elevated emotional state of mind. Now you say my feelings cannot be hurt.
            So typical of you and one can always make you contradict your statements. All one has to do is stay engaged in a ‘debate’ and you will keep changing it to suit you until the end result is the opposite of what you started out with.
            Ha…. ha…… ha……

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Nope, I ain’t no debating with you dude. Not since you acknowledged that you are a troll. I just what to hear more from you and now I know that you are feeling proud to be trolling at work.

          • Mighty曹

            Yup, I’m proud that I am having fun at work and laughing at pathetic souls like yourself. Look at you, spending all your time arguing with countless people over subject matters that can’t be changed whether you are right or wrong. You’re the only one who is butthurt and feel the need to fruitlessly defend every comments. You’re the one going insane. hahaha… not me or anyone else.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Keep on trolling then. You can say as much as you want but it really doesn’t bother me.

          • Mighty曹

            Bull crap. You are bothered by every little comment in response to you.
            Btw, if you are still practicing English (as you once mentioned) you should lay off of ‘slangs’. It just doesn’t sound good coming from you.

          • Kai

            @MightyChow:disqus also.

            Okay, I think you guys have gone around in circles enough. I vaguely remember you guys having a valid legitimate disagreement about something or another at the beginning of this but the past few rounds have been you guys flaming each other and calling each other names. I might let you guys make a final statement clarifying your original position or disagreement with the other but no more flooding the comments section with this endless flamewar. Get back to the point or move on.

            PS: To be clear, I would’ve responded to Mighty and mentioned you since his is the last comment in this flamewar but I’m responding to you and mentioning Mighty because I can’t seem to find your name when I try to use the @ mention feature (maybe because it leads off with Chinese characters).

          • Mighty曹

            Btw, Guangzhou people are dog connoisseurs. Are you one?

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            No sure what connoisseurs means, but we eat dog meat hot pot pretty often.

          • Mighty曹

            Does that keep you warm in the cold winter months?

          • Mighty曹

            Fellow Guangzhou people consider you Chinese. Try asking people from Beijing or Shanghai.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Sorry you fail again. I have alot of friends from Shanghai, Zhejiang, Sichuan, Fujian, Tianjing, Shenyang and Beijing. And right now I am not living in Guangdong.

          • Kai

            He posted other photos. If you can search in Chinese, you can find them too. I don’t think it is wise for you to be so cocksure with your bolding and “FAIL!s” here. You’re digging yourself into a hole against a person who is merely begging recognition that there are Chinese people who are conscientious about litter against other commenters who are a bit too overeager to dismiss it. That’s fair, isn’t it?

          • Mighty曹

            I’m cockysure and dickcertain.

          • Edward Kay

            Why is that people in Guangzhou are not considered Chinese? First time coming across this.

          • Kai

            They are considered Chinese. He’s exaggerating. It’s like arguing Californians aren’t American because some midwestern wingnuts say they’re “un-American”. Mighty is straw-manning little white panties, thinking he trying to prove something that he isn’t.

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            Fair enough, the topic is picking up litter after football games. What a great way to dodge the actual issue!
            You can’t imagine what a loser sticks in one place that pisses him off for 9 years that’s because because that place doesn’t piss him off, he is only commenting on something that specifically pisses him of and which is a real problem. Don’t worry it’s not the first time I’ve heard people making that assumption. Anyway, to calm down the tone a bit i would recommend you don’t take it to much at heart to defend the Nation against every single thing which isn’t good about it, you are just wasting your energy and you’re only encouraging conflict instead of making friends

          • MonkeyMouth

            if China ever gets to another world cup, then you can prove what the fuck you are blathering about

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            It’s already proven, if someone chose to ignore the fact now, they are going to ignore it forever.

          • Kai

            I don’t agree with the direction of your response here. It makes you sound upset that the world is praising Japanese but not the Chinese. On the surface, it seems unfair because both have done the same thing: pick up after themselves. However, the reason the Japanese get 1000 times more attention is because they’ve built and maintained this image. Chinese haven’t. When Chinese pick up after themselves, that’s certainly praiseworthy, but they aren’t as reliable of an “example” to hold up to the world as the Japanese are in this regard. That’s why the Japanese get held up more. You show an example of Chinese people doing this and you’ll probably get more people saying that’s the exception to the rule than they would if it were the Japanese.

            If there’s anything for you to be upset about, it’s only to the extent that anyone is putting down Chinese people unfairly, not recognizing that Chinese people can and have done the same thing, and that there are wholly understandable reasons why Chinese don’t have the same civic consciousness as others.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            the reason the Japanese get 1000 times more attention is because they’ve built and maintained this image. Chinese haven’t.

            You show an example of Chinese people doing this and you’ll probably get more people saying that’s the exception to the rule than they would if it were the Japanese.
            .

            The reason of some people denying Chinese people have done something good on this website is definitely not because Japanese have better image but is because they hate China. If someone is objective then he won’t deny when the fact is presented in front of him.

            And it is very easy to figure that out some people here hate China from the manner of their comments.

            Sure in Japan it’s probably not a great accomplishment to not behave like a pig.

            Chinese shit, pee, litters, shout everywhere they go. 5000 years of culture? Come on, don’t ever tell me that again.

            a selfish country….willing to poison themselves and live in their own filth

            Urinating and defecating in public is an ancient Chinese cultural heritage that Chinese are proud of.

            If any of those comment were made publicly they would have problems.

          • Kai

            I understand your impression of China bashing on this website. I’m just not sure you’re responding appropriately to the appropriate people.

            I thought you were commenting about why the world as a whole hold up Japan as an example but not China. I did not interpret you as commenting about the people on this site. I hope that explains my response about the Japanese having a better image.

            I think Gordon’s comment was immature and purposefully inflammatory. Him and lacompacida have regularly posted similarly prejudicial comments in the past. However, I stand by my reaction to what I thought you sounded like. You sound like whining about not getting credit, instead of just making a solid defensibly point that it cannot be denied that there are Chinese football fans who are also litter conscious. Even better would be if you add an acknowledgement that yes, Chinese on the whole, are at this point in time not as litter conscious as the Japanese. You saying this would be stating facts they can’t deny, and by acknowledging the basis of their prejudices, you can defuse them. All they can do is straw man you, and then you can shame them for their prejudices and dishonesty.

            It’s right to censure people who are being unreasonable and prejudiced. I just hope you don’t think its inexplicable why Japanese people are held in higher esteem than Chinese are.

          • Kai

            Didn’t most of the Chinese commenters above praise the Japanese? Isn’t a pathetic for you to assume they were “pathetic” in contradiction to what they actually said?

          • because they do it routinely not once in a blue moon.

  • MidniteOwl

    Chinese characteristics these days… not my problem unless i can make money off of it. fuck humanity. It’s gonna be a long road back to civilization.

    • Pharenheit

      “Chinese characteristics these days”

      Don’t be so short sighted, this is a capitalistic mentality and many cultures subscribe to it.

      • Don’t Believe the Hype

        A capitalist mentality is what causes Chinese to have this behavior, that would never happen in socialist america

      • lacompacida

        Wrong. That’s not capitalistic mentality. That’s Chinese mentality. Many nations had been practising capitalism and do not behave anything like Chinese just after 30 years.

        • Pharenheit

          This is a very naive statement.

        • bujiebuke

          China represents the worst of what capitalism brings, corporatism. If you think Chinese capitalism is the worst, look up the industrial revolution in Britain and the U.S. to find what corporation were willing to sacrifice in the name of saving a few buck.

          Better yet, look up Chisso-minamata disease. The Chisso corporation knowingly and wilfully contaminated the rivers with methyl mercury that resulted in 1,800 deaths, most of them children. It was a grand coverup from all levels of government that any pyschopathic corporatist could be proud of.

        • Barack Obama

          fuck you

    • bang2tang

      maybe it’s new level of capitalism (melamine milk powder scandal).

  • IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

    if i see someone picking up trash i’ll throw my trash in their direction. im very considerate.

    • lacompacida

      You from Beijing ?

    • Irvin

      I’m more considerate than you, I only throw it if it’s empty. But sometimes, I misjudge how much coke is still in the can.

  • Don’t Believe the Hype

    Picking up trash is for peasants, and does not fit capitalism with Chinese characteristics.

  • Numonly

    The host also praised the Japanese referee, without him, Brazil has no score.

    • Boris

      This made me laugh.

  • If Chinese people also want to do something admirable they can start by picking up their children’s shit, or rather use the washroom like other humans

    • lacompacida

      Urinating and defecating in public is an ancient Chinese cultural heritage that Chinese are proud of.

      • vonskippy

        Having Chinese slaves is an old cultural heritage in the western expansion of the States – do you still think we should all stick with what was acceptable IN THE FREAKING PAST?

        • Boris

          Yes. We should.

  • Dax

    Meanwhile, in Shenzhen…

    • Mighty曹

      He just looks so comfortable. The epitome of oblivion.

      • Mateusz82

        So… the epitome of Chineseness, then.

        • Phlegming Liberal

          The epitome of being Chinese in China is: I don’t give a F about anyone or anything around me.

    • Zappa Frank

      Someone use the genetic explanation for everything, maybe this is genetic as well..

      • 白色纯棉小裤裤

        U mad, bro?

        • Zappa Frank

          please mr cavalli sforza, explain me why school’s results are genetic and to live in the trash is not.. i’m curios..

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            1. I have never said that academic failures are genetic.
            2. My point is, academic failure may be either genetic or cultural, because asian Americans don’t fail as much as white Americans.

          • Zappa Frank

            no no, don’t back on your words, you cleary said it was genetic, as opposition to when i said it was probably cultural.
            anyway, ain’t the same in this case? can we exclude is genetic? where is the difference?

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Please cite my words directly.
            When did I say that it was genetic.

          • Zappa Frank

            tell me where is the differnce and why this cannot be genetic as well, there are no evidences in both cases and just wildly suppositionsexcept that to excell in school results is more convenient that to live in the trash where is the difference in using your explanation?

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Why you change the topic? You admitted that you are blind and accused me of something I have never said?

            And for your question you have to prove the “live in the trash” part first.

          • Zappa Frank

            i have to prove? just come in china..
            i don’t change the topic, i’m waiting a reply about why we may use genetic explanation for school results but not for people that live in the trash.. please write something about this..

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            I have been in China certainly longer than you do.
            Yes you have to prove, and your question makes no sense if the “live in trash” part is false.

            And I am still waiting for you to tell me when did I say that academic failure was genetic.

          • Zappa Frank

            yes i have to prove that china is polluted and dirty. evidently you have been in china but you are blind.. still wating your explanation

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            What explaination? your question makes no sense if the “live in trash” part is false.

          • Zappa Frank

            the only false part thing here is your intellectual honesty.. pictures above of shenzhen don’t tell you anything. You want more pictures? do you belive that china is clean?

            You just try to deny the evidence because simply don’t have any explanation

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            For every picture you find I could easily find two pictures in your “sanitary” white countries.
            So the so called “evidence” is really meaningless.

          • Zappa Frank

            pathetic, your excuses are pathetic.. try to find also pictures of allarming pollution in whites countries, something by far comparable with a concertrantion of 550 pm 2.5… you deny the evidence..

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            I don’t deny air pullutions. But pullutions aint trash if teachers in your elementary school educated you correctly. And it’s pathetic for you to change the topic again from trash to air pollutions after getting owned.

          • Zappa Frank

            no yes, pollution is cleanness.. even without pollution just walk in a normal chinese street and you’ll see everything, shit, food, unknown trahs and so on.. even in shanghai, take a few steps from nanjing dong lu and is the same..but you like to deny, thinking how clean is china and how bad are foreigners that keep on talking about dirty china..you got owned and don’t even realize it, like for fifa ranking… i’m still wating your pathetic explanation why is not genetic, just for talking about who change topics…. keep to deny.. china is so clean.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Pollution is not cleaness, and pollution is not trash.
            China has a problem with pollution, but trash is never a problem for China.
            That’s very simple and I don’t see how someone with average intelligence can fail to understand it.

            And I am still waiting for you to tell me when did I say that academic failure was genetic.

          • Zappa Frank

            deny deny deny…. trash is not a problem is china.. yes sure, people like in the picutres of shenzhen got used, then is not a problem anymore.
            you said school results are due to genetic.. or you deny also that? now tell me how come school results are genetic and trash (or we can change to pollution, for my point is the same) is not genetic as well? still wating your reply, try to write something about this instead of change topics

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Oh please cite my words directly when did i say “school results are due to genetic”,
            I have repeated that request a million times. And you never respond directly but keep making up the words I have never said.
            Your little pathetic brain must never remember that your elementary school history teacher told you every developed country had experienced pollution only worse than the pollution in China today, So pollution have nothing to do with genetic.

          • Zappa Frank

            i have repeated my question and still waiting your answer. You said that school results can be due to genes.
            Now, even the for school results experienced before chinese weren’t anywhere and whites were first..exactly like pollution… than tell me how come for pollution is not genetic while for school results it may be genetic? explain..

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            “school results can be due to genes” is different than “school results are due to genes”, did your pathetic little brain realize that?

            And your pathetic little brain can’t even come up with a whole sentence thats readable by human. WTF does that mean ?

            Now, even the for school results experienced before chinese weren’t anywhere and whites were first..exactly like pollution…

          • Zappa Frank

            it means that pollution before was present in western countries, and almost 0 in china, now is heavy in china. School results before were almost zero in china and comparatively higher in western countries. Now since the trend is the same in both case, school results and pollution, why school results can be affected by genes and pollution cannot?

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            1.Because industrialization creates pollution.
            2.Comparison between school results in China and in Western countries is irrelavent, because the social environments/systems are totally different. However the comparison between Asian Amerians and White Americans suggests that there is a huge performance gap despite both groups are placed in the same system.
            Possible reasons are genes and culture.

          • Zappa Frank

            First i want to point out that i perfectly know that pollution is not due to genetic.
            once celar that, i can say that industrialization is the product of what people do, than it may be as well a genetic reason in indifference for health and evironment. If is good to say for school perfroming why shouldn’t be good for pulltion causes?

          • Rick in China

            “Possible reasons are genes and culture.” That’s called correlation, not causation. It’s also founded on the premise that your statistics on metrics between the results isn’t skewed significantly by any of many metrics, or that the statistics aren’t sliced in a way that draws false conclusions. The bottom line is – that whole line of discussion may be interesting, but there is no evidence to draw causation as being genetic whatsoever.

          • Zappa Frank

            shhh i wanted to see if he was able get it by himself, with his superiror genetic should be easy..

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            That’s called correlation, but to say its causation or not causation, you have to prove it.

            Since you can not prove that genes is not the reason that Asian Americans have better academic performance. It is possible that its the causation.

          • Zappa Frank

            actually science doesn’t work in this way. Maybe you are a faliure of superior genes?

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            It is not rocket science, its just some critical thinking.

          • Zappa Frank

            not at all, because else in the same way you should demostrate that pollution and trash are not realted with genes, and as for school results you simply cannot

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Please be more logical.
            You comrade, Rick, already admitted that there is correlation between genes and school results.
            And you have yet to show any correlation between genes and pollutions.

          • Zappa Frank

            may be the bad genes you know..
            still waiting to know why the assumption without evidences that genes may influence good results in school is ok while saying that genes may influence pollution or trash is not ok.. in both cases you cannot demostrate that genes are or not involved. So why for one is ok and for the other one not?

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Because there is no correlations between genes and pollutions, however, your comrade Rick admitted that there is a correlation between genes and school results.

            Go figure before asking more questions.

          • Rick in China

            Frank has pointed out that there is, indeed, exactly the same correlation.

            China has massive pollution problem. China is homogeneously Chinese. Therefor, this correlation, indicates that pollution problems are caused by genetics more prevalent in Chinese.

            This is *exactly* the same relationship, if you were smarter, or even reasonably smart, perhaps you could figure this out while it’s being *drilled into your head* repeatedly by several people.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Another failed logic.
            This correlation is easily disproved by the fact that all developed country had massive pollution problems.
            So there is no correlation between genes and pollution.

          • Rick in China

            That’s not proof. That’s an anecdote you’re making up, something you “think” – which obviously you have trouble with. You throw around terms like proof too freely, and obviously don’t understand that you’re not proving _anything_, only making stupid statements, *just like* my statements about “genetics and pollution” or “eye size and test scores”. My points with those statements, I’ll say this once more, is to show you how STUPID your position is. Logic. Fuck. This is like talking about logic to a parrot who can say 2 things: “logic” and “disprove”. You win, hope the peeing into yourself goes swimmingly.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            The point is, those statements only show how stupid you are. Because both of them are different than my statement.
            There is no correlation between genetics and pollution, and there is no causation between eye size and test scores. However, there is correlation between genetics and academic performance, and there might be causation between genetics and academic performance.

            Also being a mad man and making personal attacks only signifies your failure. You hate the words “prove” and “logic” because those are what you are bad at and what you are lacking.

          • Zappa Frank

            are you sure you can read english, he never said anything like that.

          • Rick in China

            “You comrade, Rick, already admitted that there is correlation between genes and school results.”

            No. I said your premise may be entirely wrong, but your whole point is based on a correlation of evidence, not a causation of relationship. There is no more correlation than saying:

            I played a great basketball game today. I jacked off last night. Obviously jacking off makes people play awesome basketball.

            Understand now? fuck. Dense. Another one. Keep going though, hopefully it’ll get amusing again.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            You logic really fails, saying the F word won’t help you.

            If 1000 people jerked off and played great game, while another 1000 people did not jerk off and sucked. Then there is definitly correlations between jerking off and awesome basketball.

          • Rick in China

            That’s the point. Correlation doesn’t mean shit.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            You failed to get the point.

            The premise ” 1000 people jerked off and played great game, while another 1000 people did not jerk off and sucked” is never going to be true.

            However, the sample size in the comparison of academic performance is much bigger than 1000.

          • Rick in China

            That’s actually not how burden of proof works. Burden of proof means, you’re making a statement, ie. “academic performance is better because of genetic reasons”, you need to prove it. Otherwise, it’s just a fictional statement without evidence. It is not up to the audience of said statement to prove that it’s *wrong*. Let me give you an example:
            White fish bends his penis into his own asshole and pees. Prove it’s not true.

            Logic 101. Your whole premise is not necessarily true, statmaster. Apparently you have bad genes.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Nope, I have never made the statement “academic performance is better because of genetic reasons”.

            I said, it is possible that its because of genetic reason.

            It is possible that white fish blends his penis into his own asshole and pees. If you say white fish cannot do it, please give reasons.

            Thats English 101

          • Zappa Frank

            than is possible that pollution and trash are correlated with genetic. same thing. else try to demostrate. This is science 2.0..from superior genes.

          • Rick in China

            It’s also possible because of eye size. Smaller eye size possibly causes higher standardised test scores. Right?

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Eye size does not affect achedemic performance.
            Intelligence and hard working do.
            That’s common sense 101.
            So even though there might be correlation between eye size and test scores, the probability of it being the causation is 0.

          • Zappa Frank

            how do you know?.. is the same as saying genetic affect school perform.. no evidences… Do you realize that it is all up your judgment and that eye size, pollution and so on have exactly the same chance of your genes? in the end your only justification is simply “common sense”

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            genetics affects intelligence, intelligence affects academic performance.
            Do you agree with the above statement?

          • Zappa Frank

            i agree, but to a level that influence and makes difference between populations? no, i do not agree..

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            eye size affects academic performance, do you agree? BTW, Rick agreed.

          • Rick in China

            Nope. Prove it.

            (I hope you see I’m doing exactly the same ridiculousness as you).

            The sample size is huge. It’s obviously a possibility.

            Which genes exactly are unique to Chinese that cause better academic performance, by the way?

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Ok, now you are saying eye size affects academic performance.

            I will give you the benefit of the doubt and keep your words for future reference.

          • Rick in China

            No, fool, I’m making fun of your statement by making one based on the same amount of evidence provided, which is *obviously* nonsense, to show you how nonsensical you are. Now, what gene was it exactly?

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            I used “common sense” as a reason to prove that eye size is not the causation.

            So you now agree with me that its common sense that eye size does not affect academic performance.

            So you just proved it for me.

            Nope. Prove it.

          • Rick in China

            After this one I’m done:

            Ok, you tool, as I said, I was making an obviously ridiculous statement under the guise of yours, to *demonstrate to you* how your argument is broken. Obviously you’re either retarded, or trolling at this point, so.. have a good one!

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Your logic fails again..
            Eye size and genes are both correlated to academic performance. However, it is common sense that eye size does not affect academic performance (proven by yourself). So eye size is not the causation.
            However, you can not prove that genes does not affect academic performance, so there is a possibility that genes is the causation.

          • Dr Sun

            Just how much evidence and reason’d logical science needs to be presented to you before you concede that your genetic deterministic position is so flawed that its a bad joke at best ?

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            I haven’t seem any evidences and reasoning so far.

          • Barack Obama

            you have shown none whatsoever.

          • Dr Sun

            I suggest you look through all the posts on this thread, I count around10. On other threads about genetics around 30.
            Looking really bad for you now. Your going to have to dig really…really..really deep to come up with 1 single credible genetic deterministic study that can stand up to that.
            But you wont, I know that, you’l just repost with a flawed study or yet more rhetoric wrapped in sarcasm and diversion.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Sorry but none of you have shown me any evidences.

          • Dr Sun

            which gene is responsible for common sense ?

            just asking as it seems to be missing in 99.5% of people of all Ethnicities.

            btw can you define what you actually mean by “common sense” in relation to a gender, age, muti-cultural, cross all cultures and in historical sense for me.

            “common sense” is the scape goat reply from someone who has no real answers, prove me wrong.
            Thanks

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Common sense is something that people from both sides of the argument agree to be true.
            If both I and you agree that eye size is not related to academic performance, then I can use it as my premise, simple as that.

          • David

            “which gene is responsible for common sense ?
            just asking as it seems to be missing in 99.5% of people of all Ethnicities”

            LMAO Touche’ Lord knows I wish they could isolate THAT gene.

            Of course as I am sure you understand, for those of ‘normal’ intelligence’ this is almost certainly an environmental factor relating to how you were raised.

          • Kai

            You are making the same mistake as Zappa, believing he said genes are why Asians performed better academically. He didn’t say that. He said it may be one reason. It is no different from saying one person may better at something because they are genetically smarter. People do have different genes that influence their aptitudes.

            The extent of what little white panties said is only that genes can be one factor. The controversy is in how it can be generalized and how that therefore becomes politically incorrect and offensive.

            Zappa misunderstood little white panties as ASSERTING that genese were the reason for the differences when little white panties was ASKING what could account for the differences, and asking if someone was going to say genes. Zappa immediately misinterpreted that as him saying that it is because of genes and apparently sidetracked everyone and you into this false accusation.

            I only remember myself saying more relevant reasons for the differences would be differences in parenting and peer group values than genetics.

            Stop thinking little white panties said it is because of genetics. You guys are beating on a straw man.

          • Zappa Frank

            sorry but as replyed before i’m pretty sure it is what little white panties is thinking even if he was smart enough to not say it directly..

          • Kai

            Thanks, I just replied to that reply of yours. I totally understand why you feel that’s what he’s thinking based on your argument about football. However, I think the truth is more that he thinks genetics are a possible reason and saw you as refusing to acknowledge it. You were refusing, I think, because you felt he was saying it was the main reason for differences.

            Like you, I would not agree with any suggestion that genetics are THE reason for differences in academic performance. However, I don’t think I would’ve thought that’s what he was saying. I think I demonstrated this by cautioning in that first argument against bringing up genetics because there are way more relevant factors that won’t be so easily misunderstood.

            Anyway, I think both of you are thinking the worst of each other and arguing against extreme positions neither of you have.

          • Dr Sun

            Apparently there is are proven genetic links for pollution, violent crime, anti-social behaviour,with regard to Asians and Blacks, as there there is with anything considered bad.
            This of course does not apply to whites or latinos, for whites its not genetic at all , it’s a short term aberrant response to socio-economic circumstances.
            So the white supremacists keep saying….

          • David

            I can not imagine any white supremest saying something like that. Mostly they just say dumb things like “We have to keep our race pure, don’t have sex with Asians or Blacks or Hispanics” or some crazy stupid shit like that (hint, sounds a lot like the crazy shit said by some citizens in extremely nationalistic countries in Asia).

          • Dr Sun

            you could start by reading Baracks, or 白色纯棉小裤裤 nonsensical supremacist posts on many threads, on how genetics determines everything and equates to racial supremacy in regard to all human behaviour from violent crime to doing well in school. then

            I’ve never been to Indonesia,Guinea, North Korea or Sri Lanka, so I cant respond to your second part, but I’ll take your word for it as you must have experiences there.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            @Diaz

            While I agree with you that trash perpetuates pollution, I have to say that trash is not a contributing factor for the pollution in china. In Chinese cities sanitary workers clean the streets every morning, and the mess you saw on the shenzhen beach was being cleaned immediately after the tourists left. It is simply not true that you throw something out and it remains there to rot for days.

          • Kai

            People are commenting more about Chinese people littering and less about trush laying about everywhere. You arguing that sanitation workers clean the litter up is relevant to how visible litter is but it doesn’t change criticisms about many Chinese people thinking littering is acceptable.

          • Kai

            No, dude, trash (litter, garbage, etc.) IS a problem in China. @zappa_frank:disqus is right about this. Not sure why you think it isn’t.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Maybe we have different definitions of “problem”, the volume of garbage is a problem, but littering is not, littering does not cause environmental damage and health issues in China.
            Litter is only a problem if it’s not cleaned timely and to the extend that Frank claimed “People live in trash”

          • Kai

            Ironically, I actually think littering is a bigger problem than volume of garbage in China. Volume correlates to population size and I frankly have no issue with a lot of people producing a lot of garbage. To me, it’s like a lot of people are going to result in more crowding.

            Littering to me is a bad habit. It’s bad because it is irresponsible to and inconsiderate of the environment and shared public spaces. If you can understand why you wouldn’t want people to simply drop their garbage in your home, you can understand why someone would consider it also unpleasant in public as well, our “shared home”.

            In either case, there may be someone who will clean it up in short time. In either case, it is still a demonstration of personal irresponsibility and inconsideration, for the environment, and for others.

            Don’t get me wrong, I fully understand why many people in China feel it is “okay” to litter. They do often because they feel someone else will take care of it, and are even paid to take care of it, Some of them won’t even think this far and just do it because they always have and see others doing it.

            Nevertheless, it is not a habit that should be encouraged or tolerated. Nor is it one that is officially encouraged or tolerated either. Hence the availability of public trash cans and PSA campaigns.

            Obviously, such things are more prevalent in major urban areas and tourist sights than more rural areas. But so are the cleaners. Where there are cleaners, litter may be cleaned up fairly quickly, or at least overnight (especially in the cases where street peddlers gather to sell late-night snacks — you get mountains of litter that are only swept up and removed by poor cleaners right before dawn), but where there isn’t, the litter persists. Shanghai, for example, is pretty clean in the morning. In the more rural parts where there aren’t cleaners? You get persistent litter, both biodegradable and non-biodegradable.

            Both present very real problems. Non-biodegradable litter causes environmental damage. Biodegradable litter often causes health issues because they impact sanitation.

            Littering is a problem. Employing an army of sanitation workers is treating the symptom, not curing the disease.

            Of course, hiring sanitation workers is appropriate. It’s quicker to remove the litter than teach people to stop littering, and removing the litter in especially dense urban environment is critical for public sanitation and health. The government isn’t wrong in hiring people to do this job. The government would only be wrong if it isn’t also simultaneously doing other things to teach people to stop littering. They are doing the latter, although the efforts are uneven.

            Now that you know what I am thinking of, would you agree with my characterization of littering being a “problem”?

            Next, about what Zappa said. He is most likely thinking one thing and you are thinking another. He is thinking of how (many) Chinese people are fine with littering and others littering, and thus “living in trash”. You are thinking of people happily living in persistent trash. His usage is more metaphorical and yours literal. Neither person’s conception is wrong, but there is either a misunderstanding or a straw man involved.

            Zappa’s point is simple: Chinese people have a littering problem. The act or habit of literring itself is “bad” and a “problem”. If it weren’t, then armies of sanitation workers wouldn’t be employed to deal with it, right? If it weren’t, then there wouldn’t be PSAs in China discouraging it, right?

            Zappa won’t deny that litter is often cleaned up by sanitation workers in China, but that’s not his point. His point is that littering needs to be socialized out of Chinese people, for everyone’s benefit.

          • Irvin

            China have both a pollution and litter problem, if you don’t believe me I can take some pictures for you. While not everywhere is fill with trash, most people especially street vendors don’t clean up after themselves.

          • Dr Sun

            you are kidding, right ?

          • Dr Sun

            I wonder what China is going to do once its run out of landfill for is discarded rubber slippers and disposable plastic drink cups.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            So you still have no proof other than your own pathetic subjective thinking. Just like the FIFA ranking you think your very limited experience is more reliable than FIFA data collected from every single international match.
            China is not clean comparing to japan and singapore but someone from pathetic white countries have no right to complain.

            Your question does not make sense because the premise of the question is false. I think I have repeated this sentence so many times that even a dog could be trained to memorize it..

            And you still neither answer my question nor provide a reason for not answering my question.

            I am still waiting for you to tell me when did I say that academic failure was genetic

          • Zappa Frank

            yes FIFA ranking is so reliable tha spain was 1st and lost wth holland and chile.. uruguay lost with costa rica, keep on believing in FIFA ranking.
            Pathetic whites countries that are several times better than in china in every aspect of life.. how pathetic..so much that chinese struggle to immigrate there.. how pathetic.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            A higher ranking team is not garanteed to win, it just has a better chance to win, I am afraid you pathetic little brain could never understand why the failure of spain does not invalidate the fifa ranking.
            White countries developed from slavery and colonization, while China is developing from hard-working and fair trade. And if white countries are so great, why don’t you stick with your great white country but come to a place that you hate so much. Don’t tell me that its because you are just a pathetic loser.

          • Zappa Frank

            no you fail in understanding that if a 1st ranked lose with a chile and uruguay lose with costa rica is because the raking has no value. On contrary football fans was aware that spain was not the strongest team at all, just read about the liga results..
            hahahahahah, white countries developed from slavery!! this is saying a lot about your stupidy.. come on you can do better, this is an admission to be owned.
            hahaha china developed from fair trade.. but you really believe what you write? this is like to beat a dead horse.
            i don’t hate china nor chinese, i hate idiots like you..that like talk about the superior genetic of asian people

          • Rick in China

            Hahahahahaha, I love this: “White countries developed from slavery and colonization, while China is developing from hard-working and fair trade. ”

            Are you fucking kidding? Slavery existed in China for THOUSANDS OF YEARS. Not to mention there is still somewhat “modern slavery” in lots of industries – like um mining… get yer shit together.

          • Germandude

            Not to mention the joke of putting the words “China” and “fair trade” into one sentence.

            Don’t feed the troll. @zappa_frank:disqus

          • Huawei really is innovative!

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Yeah but never to the magnitude of slavery in white countries.

          • Zappa Frank

            tell us about the slavery in europe since you think to now that much, come on..

          • Rick in China

            You’re right – never so small in magnitude. At many points in China’s history there have been *millions* of slaves at a time, at one time, over the course of the few thousand years of slavery history, so I have no fuckin idea whatsoever you’re bringing slavery up at *all* as a point to look down upon “white country” development, by which I presume you mean European and early US development.

          • Dr Sun

            you are of course joking

          • Foreign Devil

            I suppose it was unionized paid labor that built the Great Wall?

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            The Great wall was built by 劳役, not by 奴隶.
            Nice try but you don’t get the facts right.

          • Foreign Devil

            Were the laborers free to walk away from the job? Slavery is forced labor. They could not walk away from the work until it was completed under fear of death. Also China has slavery in forced prison labor today. I’m from Canada which is a “white” country that never had state sanctioned slavery.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            You are saying forced labor is slavery but they are not equal. Forced labors are free men except that they are only forced to work during a period of time, usually less than a few months. they are not “owned” by any master and their rights are protected by the law.

            For forced prison labor, many basic human rights are taken away from the criminals anyways. Forcing them to do some jobs does not make their situation worse. And I think you’d be lucky to be in a Chinese prison than be in an American one, because Americans have a tradition of ass fucking inmates in the prison.

          • Kai

            But you understand what aspect of forced labor is being equated with slavery here, right? Whether you are a slave for a few months or a slave all your life still means you are a slave when you are a slave. It is still “slavery”.

            Chinese prisons may not have the same (or same prevalence of) phenomenon as American prisons but it isn’t a very nice place either. Can you please stop this misguided argument of trying to prove which country is “better”? Get back to the original argument that actually matters.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Doing work is not slavery…

            Even in modern society many people are still “Forced” to work. They have to catch every opportunity to work even they hate the job. No work = No money = No food and no shelters. Yes you have the right of staying at home and not doing any work that you don’t like but your house is going to be taken by the bank if you fail to pay the mortgage. I doubt many people are willing to face the consequences.

          • Kai

            http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/slavery

            Being forced by the government of ancient China to leave their homes and families to build the wall or face execution is qualitatively different from feeling your lifestyle “forces” you to continue in a job you don’t like. You face direct loss of income, not direct loss of your life or freedom.

            Again, this doesn’t change the fact that many Western countries were guilty of slavery. It is patently misguided to get into an argument about “which country is ‘better'”. That’s not the point you should be sidetracked on. The point you should be focusing on is getting people to acknwoledge that there ARE litter-conscious Chinese people and that they may even be increasing as China develops. China isn’t perfect, but there are things where it is improving, and that should be given due credit.

            You don’t “beat” people who are unreasonable or “win” arguments by slinging back unreasonable arguments; you expose what is unreasonable, unfair, and unjustified. Weaken their position, not your own. Make them less sympathetic, not yourself.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            How do you think about being forced by the government to serve military or face persecution? Is that slavery also?

            You don’t “beat” people who are unreasonable or “win” arguments by slinging back unreasonable arguments; you expose what is unreasonable, unfair, and unjustified. Weaken their position, not your own. Make them less sympathetic, not yourself.

            You do realize that forced labor=slavery itself is very unreasonable do you? The difference between ancient forced labor and “forced” work today, is much less than the difference between ancient forced labor and slavery.

            Differences between forced labor and slavery.
            1. Forced labors are NOT properties owned by other people.
            2. Forced labors have property rights.
            3. Forced labors are citizens, they are protected by laws. i.e. you can kill or rape a slave if you want, if you do the same to a forced labor, you are facing execution or a jail term.
            4. Forced labors do their work as a form of tax payments, so even they are also unpaid, it’s not like slaves who have nothing in return.

          • David

            The only reason people were only forced to labor for a few months building the wall was because that is how long it took them to die in many cases. Explain to me the difference between being worked to death in a few months at the wall, being worked to death over two years or so in a Venezuelan silver mine (where over 80% of New World slaves from Africa went, another 15% went to sugar plantations in the Caribbean, neither of which were or became ‘white countries’) or being forced to work your entire life in a tobacco, cotton or turnip field in North Carolina?

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Explain to me the difference between being a construction worker in the US and killed in an accident after a few months and all those you have mentioned.

          • David

            The difference is you can choose to take the risk of being a construction worker or decline it. Also you get paid for the choice to take the risk. In addition, it is a reasonable risk because the accident rate (and thus the risk) at a U.S. construction site is very low (even at third world construction sites the risk is low compared to those of the Wall over its long period of construction and the work many slaves were forced to do). You could not choose not to build the wall (or be a slave in a silver mine). That may be a small thing to you but having an accident on the job and being forced to work to death are not the same thing. I honestly do not think you believe the things you are saying. At this point it seems you are just trolling. I am not JUDGING the act or slave labor (or corvee services as it is known) it was quite common in Asian countries for men to have to spend two-three months out of the year doing work for the crown until a little over a hundred years ago. But to deny it existed is silly. Also, working building roads or practicing arms for the army is far different than the conditions for most of the period the Wall was being built.

          • Dr Sun

            most construction workers in the US go home every night, get paid are not starved to death, executed and buried in the walls.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            That does not answer my question.

          • Dr Sun

            I think it more than answers your question

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Nope, I was talking about a construction worker that got killed, you were talking about most construction workers.

          • Kai

            Persecution? You mean prosecution? Sure, there’s an argument that compulsory military service is a sort of slavery.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_china

            Look, the issue is about degrees of similarity and difference, especially as used to make a point. There are differences between forced labor to build the Great Wall and the institution of slavery as practiced by many Western countries that we’re all familiar with. You know what they are, but you also know what the similarity is. You also know that there is a greater degree of qualitative difference between the slavery we’re familiar with and compulsory military service or being a wage-slave.

            If you’re going to pick the fight by escalating beyond the argument by making remarks about “pathetic white countries” and “slavery and colonization”, you should take some responsibility for having your remarks pushed back in your face. The original argument was about whether or not Chinese people are also litter conscious, but you got angry and made it about whether China or “white countries” is better. If you’re going to demonize “pathetic white countries” over their slavery, then be prepared to acknwoledge that slavery in various forms also existed in China. If you’re going to exaggerate “hard-work and fair trade” in China, expect to be scoffed at. You are not so stupid as to not expect how poorly that line of argument was going to go over. It is as stupid as when people demonize Chinese people and make their own people sound like saints.

            Juxtaposing “pathetic white countries” as “slavery and colonization” with China as “hard work and fair trade” was unreasonable. Before you attack “forced labor = slavery” as unreasonable, own up to the unreasonable you were responsible for.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Fair enough, but whether China had slavery don’t affect my point. Colonization and slavery fueled the industrial revolution, I doubt anyone would argue with that. And China’s development today is not due to slavery, no one would say that’s false either.

          • Dr Sun

            “Colonization and slavery fueled the industrial revolution”

            Don”t think so, pretty much all the workers than dug coal in the mines, worked in the steel mills and textiles factories where native born English born Working class, not slaves from the colonies.

            BTW slavery was abolished in Britain in 1833, slavery continued officially in China until 1912 and unofficially long after that.

            I will concede that the treatment of Chinese immigrants in the USA in the 1800’s and early 1900’s was akin to slavery.
            But I will allow one of our American members to address that.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Colonization and slavery provided both raw materials and the market. If not for the cottons produced by slaves, the textiles factories would have nothing to begin with.

          • Dr Sun

            I believe your confusing the first industrial revolution in the UK up with the later US industrial revolution and the feudal slavery of pretty much all Chinese dynasties since the warring states up to and including including the Qing Dynasty and later the great leap backwards..

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Are you saying that the UK didn’t use the raw materials produced by slaves?

          • fabulous

            Different names, wider paddocks, more creative shackles, worse music; slavery it was, slavery it still is.

          • Alex Dương

            I think ultimately, the prevalence of war in Europe caused the Industrial Revolution. From 1500 to 1800, Europe on average fought nearly 1.5 wars per year. By contrast, from 1350 to 1800, China on average fought one war every five years (Source). War in Europe tended to reduce populations while leaving land relatively much more intact.

            This had the consequence that wages in Europe were much higher than they were in China before the Industrial Revolution. As a result of that, there was an incentive in Europe to improve labor efficiency but no corresponding incentive in China. Why take the risk to do that if labor is already so cheap?

            It is somewhat ironic that hawks stereotype China as militaristic, hegemonic, and expansionist. In fact, it was arguably because China was relatively peaceful and not militaristic etc. from the 14th to the 18th Centuries that it fell behind noticeably by the 19th Century.

          • Kai

            I understood you brought up “slavery and colonization” to explain why you said “pathetic white countries”. The problem is that someone could say “pathetic China” and list any number of reasons as well. The bigger problem is that “pathetic white countries” has no relevance to the original argument about how some Chinese people also pick up their litter. You created a red herring that ultimately hurt your argument and position.

            As for China’s development today, a lot of people would argue there’s a sort of “slavery” involved. Child labor, poor working conditions, effectively enslaved miners, exploited handicapped, etc. There are news reports, in Chinese as well by Chinese media, about these things. Yes, some of these are news because they are generally the exception to the rule, but it isn’t remotely hard to find corners cut and exploitation in China’s modern development, just as there were and are faults with how other countries developed. Don’t make the mistake of turning the argument into one about “which country is better” because there are no winners in that except in their own heads. Keep the argument on subject and about the actual point in contention.

          • Dr Sun

            yes I would say so, much like being a “comfort woman” is.

            Do you have any idea about what goes on inside a Chinese Prison , do you really know ?

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Tens of thousands of prisoners are released from Chinese Prison each year….Yet no one knows what goes on inside a Chinese Prison.. You must be smart.

          • Dr Sun

            obviously much smarter than you

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Yeah so smart that made me laughed my ass off.

          • Dr Sun

            I like to keep you trolls happy

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            A troll is someone who says no one really knows what goes on inside a Chinese prison given the fact that tens of thousands of prisoners are being released from Chinese prisons each year.

          • Dr Sun

            LOL, youre so funny , can I ask are you getting your 5 Jiao ?

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            So the troll is happy now. Good job!

          • Dr Sun

            love the troll, here is your new/ first avatar, a free gift.Embrace and love who you are.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            I know you are happy..so there is no need to take a photo of yourself to prove it (and poison my eyes)

          • Kai

            Dude, there isn’t much of a line between “forced labor” and “slave labor”.

            Admitting the existence of slave labor in ancient China doesn’t absolve other countries of their slavery and colonialism.

            I get that Zappa has frustrated you with what he is arguing against you about, but I think you are allowing your perception of “China bashers” on cS to see Zappa as being one when he’s actually not one of them. Focus on the actual argument between you two and don’t go beyond that into attacking him as a “China basher”. That’s you straw-manning him.

          • Kai

            Now you’re just being purposefully offensive and straw-manning Zappa. Where he comes from has no relevance to the argument. If you don’t want him to lord the superiority of white countries in many aspects of life over China, don’t start by saying “pathetic white countries”. If you must, save that garbage for people who say “pathetic China”, not Zappa who may have misunderstood you but has a pretty decent history of fair and reasonable comments often in defense of China and in criticism of those who unfairly criticize the Chinese.

          • David

            I was wondering how long before you started trolling about how horrible ‘white’ countries are and how wonderful and honorable China is, who never had slavery LMAO.

          • Kai

            Zappa, I remember on that argument about school rankings that I told you that you may be misunderstanding what little white panties was saying when he used the word “genetic”. He actually asked if anyone else was going to say the results are due to genetics. I don’t think he said the results are genetic. I think you misintepreted him as asserting something when he was actually daring someone to say it is genetic.

            In this thread, he has repeatedly asked you to quote exactly what he said that makes you STILL think he said it was genetic. You haven’t done so. It’s probably because you’re too lazy to go back and find that argument. I can understand that. However, it also means you aren’t substantiating your accusation of him. I think if you review his words in that argument, you’ll realize he didn’t say what you’re accusing him of saying.

            You replied to me in that post that you may have indeed misunderstood him. However, you’re not presenting evidence to him OR me that he said what you say he said.

            Your first language isn’t English either and that may also be contributing to communication problems.

          • Zappa Frank

            i don’t agree this time. In the last topic it started when i said “chinese score due to a lot of work, but someone will say it’s genetic”, he polemic replyed with something like “asians score better in US, but someone will say it’s culture”….and here already was clear the meaning. In the last topic about football after in a polemic way i provoked him saying that than chinese are bad in football due to genetic, he said that is true that asians are bad in sport due to genetic but that at least he doesn’t deny genetic differences like we do…quote

            And I don’t think its a shame to be bad at football, actually Asians are genetically bad at many sports, but we admit that, unlike the ones who pretend genetic differences do not exist…

            now, for me here is clear what he thinks. For the rest i recognize that he avoid to say it directly and has been cunning about this.
            for the rest this topic has been one of my worst performance ever here in china smack.

          • Kai

            I need you to link me to exactly what he said so I can judge for myself because I can’t be confident of your representation of what he said. I thought he made himself very clear here that he never said academic performance was due to genetics, only that it COULD BE. Such a statement is true and VERY DIFFERENT from saying academic performance is due to genetics only.

            I can understand why you think him saying he doesn’t deny genetic differences after you provoking him about football means he thinks genetic differences account for differences in academic performances. However, you provoked him BECAUSE you initially accused him of saying genetics were the only reason for differences in academic performance when he didn’t actually say that. His retort to you about “denial” is in the context of you misinterpreting him the first time AND him thinking you deny that genetics could be A reason for differences in academic performance.

            Let’s put this to rest:

            Zappa, ask little white panties if he thinks genetics is the only reason for differences in academic performance.

            Little white panties, ask Zappa if he thinks genetics couldn’t possibly play a role in academic performance.

            I feel like you guys are both straw-manning each other at this point.

          • omfg I still shiver when I remember all the food they waste. All that fucking food! right into the trash. Cazzo.

          • Zappa Frank

            I have to slalom every morning between dogs’ shits and rubbish on the street, but he thinks china is clean…with so many dribbling to do every day I wonder how Chinese are not football’s masters.

          • Mighty曹

            So only showing photos of the aftermath of a concert and a sanitation workers strike on a holiday. FAIL

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Enjoy

          • Zappa Frank

            you know, is not that if you post more time the same picture than it is as double…right? still nothing compared with china.

          • Repatriated

            If China is so clean and great, why is everyone with the money and/or means trying to leave?

          • Edward Kay

            that unfortunately, has nothing to do with cleanliness.

          • bang2tang

            Canada kkk

          • Zappa Frank

            this in some place of china may be considered clean

          • Mateusz82

            What is a “white” country? Do you think countries like Britain don’t let yellow people in? Or are you so steeped in “blut und boden” that you think that countries are color coded?

          • Excuse me, I know people can be filthy everywhere but believe it or not, if it wasn’t for those Aunties cleaning the streets, China would be a dumpster. I never saw such degree of environmental unconsciousness until I arrived in Beijing… and in the countryside is worse! Your pictures of the aftermath of a rock concert or a marathon in the west can’t hide what Chinese do every single day. Don’t take it personal, why don’t you go outside and help people understand this issue? I am sure you don’t… it’s funny to see how far some people can go just to save face.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Your pictures of the aftermath of a rock concert or a marathon in the west can’t hide what Chinese do every single day.

            Hope you can find excuses for every single one of the 20+ images I posted…
            http://www.chinasmack.com/2014/pictures/japanese-pick-up-trash-after-world-cup-game-chinese-reactions.html#comment-1445817064
            Its funny that you accuse someone of saving face while finding excuses for the littering problems in the west, and that is exactly an attempt of saving face.
            Some highly populated western cities – New York, Paris, etc are shit holes already. Many Chinese netizens are well aware that we need to litter less and I am also one of them. Japanese and Singapore people also have every right to complain about the littering in China. However it is not OK for your filthy western people to hold a higher moral ground(and often use Japan/Singapore as role models), because you yourself, are not any better.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Please enjoy

          • Zappa Frank

            you should put something in attachment..

          • Boris

            You can correct me if I am wrong, but aren’t most of these pictures you are posting after an event? Such as a concert or a parade? Someone else also mentioned pictures taken after “a sanitation workers strike on a holiday.”

            A concert and parade will usually have employed people to do the clean up after most people have left. Sanitation workers on strike, naturally trash will build up especially during a holiday.

            The original poster posted images of people at a beach. It seems that in those ones, people going to the beach and leaving their trash behind. No one cleaning up. No Concert, no parade and no strike. Maybe it was a holiday period?

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            It was a holiday. And more than 190,000 people visited that beach in a single day.

          • Boris

            I’m avoiding beaches in China during the holidays.

          • Q Ball

            China is not as polluted as western countries during industrialization. they are 100-500 ppm, when london used to be up to 5000 ppm in 1900. In fact CHina is biggest investor in green energy in the world. Most western countries have a density of 500 cars per 1000. CHina has a density of 30 per 1000. It is Obvious where the pollution is coming from.

          • Zappa Frank

            it is not my point, however is intresting. Where did you get the concentration of pm 2.5 in london 1900? I don’t think a comparrsion between a develop of 100 years ago and present day has significance, different technology and different knowledge, it was not known how dangerous pollution was.
            I’ve read it is not so obvious where the pollution come from since the source is different from city to city, but i’ve read just an article and nothing serious about it.

          • Germandude

            China is not as polluted as western countries during industrialization. they are 100-500 ppm, when london used to be up to 5000 ppm in 1900. In fact CHina is biggest investor in green energy in the world. Most western countries have a density of 500 cars per 1000. CHina has a density of 30 per 1000. It is Obvious where the pollution is coming from.

            Bullshit!
            I quoted your complete post so that you won’t edit it later. Your post is so full of nonsense, it’s actually not worth commenting, but anyways:

            1st: I am sure you can back your statement up that London used to have a ppm of 5000 in 1900.
            -hint: It wasn’t measured at that time and certainly, 5000 ppm would have killed anybody alive there

            So, where is your source?

            2nd: Regarding your car density example. It’s bullshit as well. In Germany, approx every 2nd person has a car, so your 500 out of 1000 statement is correct. Problem: Cars in Germany contribute LESS THAN 3% of the total pollution produced in the entire country.

            3rd: China is the biggest investor in green energy in the world. Source? I am not doubting total numbers, but considering that it also contributes 1/6th of the world’s population, it should also contribute 1/6th of the global investments (well, once it completely developed).

            Now Mr. @disqus_8VlL5oV9G6:disqus show us your valid sources that back up any of the nonsense you wrote.

            Otherwise: psssst, let the adults talk.

          • Mateusz82

            Since “Asia” isn’t genetic, then it has nothing to to suggest genes. Are you comparing white Americans to white Asians, white Americans to yellow Americans? You have to compare like to like, otherwise, it has no validity.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            In this context, Asian refers to Han, Hui, Zhuang, Man, Miao, Yamato/Wajin , Korean and other races originated in east asia that share similar physical characteristics such as skin and hair color.

          • Mateusz82

            “In this context” meaning “In this misuse of the term”. See, I live in Asia, where I see white people, who are Asian, but don’t get included in your little racial club (I guess it’s totally fine to marginalize minority groups).

            What you are really talking about are various ethnic groups in Asia, but you’re using the term “Asian” to refer exclusively to them out of ethnic nationalism.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Nope, there is no globally accepted definition for Asian. Every country/organization make their own definition of Asian whatever they feel appropriate. For example

            Statistics New Zealand defines the Asian to include people of Chinese, Indian, Korean, Filipino, Japanese, Vietnamese, Sri Lankan, Cambodian and Thai ancestries. In less formal contexts, the term Asian often does not include South Asian people.

            And unfortunately, that definition does not include white people.

          • Mateusz82

            It does, actually. There are white people in all those countries, with China alone recognizing minority groups which include white people (Russian, as well as Uyghur). There’s also a growing white population in Japan. White Asians are the minority, but they deserve to be counted. Asia doesn’t just belong to yellow people (unless you hold to the same ethnic nationalism as the British National Party, or Aryan Brotherhood).

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Statistics New Zealand defines the Asian to include people of Chinese, Indian, Korean, Filipino, Japanese, Vietnamese, Sri Lankan, Cambodian and Thai ancestries.

          • Mateusz82

            Do you have a point in reposting, or you just found the “copy” and “paste” function, and want to show off?

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            If its no obvious to you, I would be kind to expian it: the “Asian” defined by Statistics New Zealand, does not include white people.

          • Mateusz82

            Well, if some person in New Zealand said it, then it must be so. Thank you for your kindness.

            Also, would you be so king and generous to tell the white people who are Asians that they do not exist? I’d suggest breaking it to them gently. I’m sure telling yellow Europeans, or black Americans they don’t exist would be equally a shock.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            As I said before, the term “Asian” can have different meaning in different contexts.
            However in most contexts where “Asian” is used, it does not include white people.
            This is a FACT. Either live with it or kill yourself..

          • Mateusz82

            You said it before, and were just as wrong then as you are now.

            The contexts are incorrect, and there are people who are white, and who are also Asian. The content of Asia doesn’t just belong to some yellow master race. Your ethnic nationalism belongs in the dustbin of history. It’s an ideology that passed out of favor after the second world war. Let it go.

            “This is a FACT. Either live with it or kill yourself..”

            A word in all caps, double periods, and “kill yourself” comment… I can tell you got all riled up by this. Sorry that facts hurt you in the ideology. It’s part of the growing up process.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            You should complain to the New Zealand, the UK and the US government and tell them to include white people into the term “Asian”. Before that I will use “Asian” in their ways because they are more authentic than you to define the meaning of a English term.

          • Mateusz82

            No, I shouldn’t. I should, however, correct people who misuse words, which is what I’m doing now. Unfortunately, it is impossible for me to force someone who is set in ideology to let go of it.

            You will use “Asian” in the way you do because of your ethnic nationalism, even though you are trying to blame other people for your racism.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Nope…I am not blaming any people.I simply stated a fact that’s how the term “Asian” is defined by people around the world.
            I don’t misuse word, you do. You are making up your own explanation for a term, and try to convince people to use it in your way, which is the wrong way.

          • Mateusz82

            You did, and also, I stated how that was used incorrectly. “Indian” was used extensively (and often still is) to refer to the indigenous population of North America, even though North America is not, in fact, India. Calling people Indian, when they are not Indian, is a misuse of the word. Similarly, not including Asians in the definition of Asian is misuse of the word.

            I am trying to convince people who are missing the word to use it correctly. It’s not my way. It’s the way. Asia is not a skin color. It’s a location. Hence, calling people “Asian” based on skin color and not location is misusing the term. Do you understand now, or do you need it simplified further.

          • Alex Dương

            Calling people Indian, when they are not Indian, is a misuse of the word.

            Why don’t you ask some indigenous North Americans how they feel about this?

          • Mateusz82

            Because that would be pointless.

          • Alex Dương

            You, sir, are supremely arrogant if you think you have the right to tell other people how they should refer to themselves.

          • Mateusz82

            True enough, which is why I’m not. You can refer to yourself by whatever terms you want. You can refer to yourself as German, Scottish, or New Yorker, if you like. It doesn’t mean you are German, Scottish, or from New York, but you can still say it.

            Also, good day sir!

          • Alex Dương

            Except you are, since you said, quote, “Calling people Indian, when they are not Indian, is a misuse of the word.” You’re telling them that they’re wrong to refer themselves as American Indians. That’s arrogance of the highest order.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Although I have plenty of reasons of why Asian is used that way, I won’t bother writing them out because it is common sense that not including white people in the term “Asian” is not misuse. The whole world use it that way, and no one except you has ever had a problem with it. You need to convince the authorities first(for example, the US government) before convincing any other people.

          • Mateusz82

            Ah, got it. You totally have a whole mess of reasons… just, you know, you don’t want to tell me what they are.

            Do you also have plenty of reasons why it’s not a misuse of the term “European” to not include yellow people (but you can’t be bothered to write them out, due to “common sense).

            That’s the spirit! Logic be damned. After all, what has logic ever done for you?

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            No, you don’t say logic when it comes to the meaning of a word. The meaning of a word is defined by how people use it, not defined by logic. If you think you are logical and use a word in a way different than everybody else then you are wrong.

          • Mateusz82

            Everybody else? Have you polled everybody else in the world? Have you talked to non-yellow Asians? Have you asked white Chinese people if they are Chinese (before telling them they can’t call themselves “Asian”)?

            Hell, “Everybody” can’t even agree on the term. British English and American English have different meanings for “Asian”. According to the Cuban census of the past, “Chinese” were put under the category “white”.

            You know, you could be grown up about it and admit to a mistake, but given how you are now claiming that it’s wrong to be logical, I sincerely doubt you will.

            Here’s the thing. Asia is a continent. That’s how it’s defined. It’s right next to Europe.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Do you think that the US, the UK and New Zealand government are also wrong by using “Asian” in a way that does not include white people?

          • Mateusz82

            Of course. Granted, it isn’t the first time for such misuse, but it still is misuse which should be corrected.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            So in other word, you think “The whole world is wrong and I am right”. The government have been using the term that way for a long time, yet you are the first one who point out it is misuse. So you are either a genius or a mad man.

          • Mateusz82

            Nope. Wrong again.

            I’m also not the first person who pointed out that you should use terms correctly.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Please find me a credible source where Asian is used to refer some white people.

          • Mateusz82

            Seriously… it’s hard to dumb it down any more. Asia is a continent. White is a color… the two are not the same category. It’s like saying “Yellow people can’t be Canadian”. There’s this place called “Asia”, a large continent (if you don’t understand the word, don’t worry about it). People who live there are Asians. People who live in Europe are Europeans, regardless of skin color, and people who live in North America are North Americans, regardless of skin color, and people who live in Asia are Asians (you could limit it to citizens of countries in these regions, but that’d be making things too complicated for you, I’m afraid). It’s really that simple.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Asia is a continent, but Asian does not necessarily mean all the people living in the continent.. Everyone knows that except you. To prove me wrong, cite a credible source where Asian includes some white people living in Asia.

          • Zappa Frank

            friendly suggestion..do not lose time with him

          • KamikaziPilot

            Ehhh, just let them spend a couple weeks arguing about semantics, each trying to make the other feel guilty about using certain words. Nothing more pathetic online than arguing about semantics. They both must be bored out of their minds.

          • Alex Dương

            Under your logic, everyone can claim to be African for purposes of affirmative action. Doesn’t work that way.

          • Mateusz82

            It’s not just my logic. It’s plain logic.

            it does work that way. Obama is President of the United States, yet only racists claim he’s not really American because of his ethnicity. Under “my logic”, Obama is as much of an American as a white person… does your logic differ?

          • Alex Dương

            No, it doesn’t work that way. At all. For purposes of affirmative action, you cannot claim to be “African-American” unless you are “a person having origins in any of the black racial groups of Africa.” And no, claiming that “we’re all African originally” will not fly.

            Don’t believe me? You’re welcome to apply for a federal contract and claim to be “African-American.” See how well your “logic” works when you get audited.

            Under “my logic”, Obama is as much of an American as a white person… does your logic differ?

            We went over this before. The only “ethnic Americans” are the Native Americans. Everyone else is descended from immigrants. That’s what you forget when you talk about the U.S. (and Canada).

          • Mateusz82

            Actually, it has happened where a white student identified as “African-American”… because, you know, he was from Africa.

            For the purposes of affirmative action, only black people are considered African-american. However, that is only for the purposes of affirmative action. It also shows the inaccuracy of the term, as there are black people who are not African-Americn, and African-Americans who are not black.

            No, I did not forget about it, and it would be rather impossible to forget about even if I wanted to. My point was to show how absurd the idea of “blut und boden” (blood and soil) is.

            Actually, if you want to get picky, the Native Americans immigrated as well, just they got there first. Either way, you could do the same for Britain. Only the British National Party, and their supporters, would claim that non-whites are precluded from being British. In my British Literature class, we read Remains Of The Day, by Ishiguro Kazuo. No one angrily stood up in class and proclaimed, “That guy is yellow! He can’t be British, or even European! You’re misusing the term ‘British’ if you apply it to him.”

          • Alex Dương

            Actually, it has happened where a white student identified as “African-American”… because, you know, he was from Africa.

            And if this student’s application was flagged, any offer of admission would probably be rescinded because as I already pointed out, the categories have definitions, and whites don’t have “origins in any of the black racial groups of Africa.”

            Again, the categories have definitions. You don’t recognize them. That’s fine, but don’t tell other people that they’re “racist” because they do recognize them. That’s really pointless, especially if you just want to make the point that the only race is human, which you aren’t making anyway.

          • Dr Sun

            In order to stand for President of the USA, you have to be born in the the USA, therefore American.

          • Mateusz82

            True. Though, immigration still confers “American status”. For example, a friend of mine immigrated to the US from China, and brought along her family. They are all now considered Americans. No one says, “Yellow people can’t be called American! You’re foreigners” (well, there are are some racist lunatics who think that only certain colors are allowed to be part of a particular region… like people tho assume that white people can’t be called “Asian”, but they are not the prevailing voices in this case). If you’re yellow, and move to America, or have ancestors who moved to America, then you are American. If you’re white and move to Asia, or have ancestors who moved to Asia (or you’re part of an ethnic minority group that has been living in Asia for so long that no one can trace when your ancestors migrated), then you’re Asian.

          • Dr Sun

            That does not make any sense, its illogical, academic failure for 2 different ethnic groups living within the same country/ culture cannot be “genetic or cultural.”

            It would would have to be genetic, cultural or genetic and cultural, but nor “or”.

            If it was genetic (of which there is no credible scientific research to support) then all whites would fail and all Asians would succeed.

            If it was cultural then they would all fail as they’re all from the same country with the same macro- culture.

            So I would suggest you look for answer in “sub-cultures” of which there is as abundance of credible research to support.

            http://eric.ed.gov/?id=ED400749

            http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/2786514?uid=3739560&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21104181139927

            http://rer.sagepub.com/content/52/2/219.short

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            genetic, cultural or genetic and cultural.

            That’s exactly what I meant.

          • Dr Sun

            ok, I guess you missed the point.

      • Barack Obama

        “Someone use the genetic explanation for everything, maybe this is genetic as well..” what is your question exactly? you don’t realize you ARE your genes. Your genes aren’t just some computer code for running a program, they fold protein molecules and build into YOU.

        • Zappa Frank

          Can you send me you paper where you show how the environment does not have any influence and and you are only genes?
          than according to your explanation trash and pollution in china are results of genes

          • Barack Obama

            you are making that same leap of correlation you did earlier in that other post, remember? If what you are trying to say is that BECAUSE the environment and culture has a major role to play in a certain thing THEN genes has nothing to do with it,… it doesn’t really make sense to say something like that.

      • bujiebuke

        “Someone use the genetic explanation for everything, maybe this is genetic as well..”

        My impression of you from posts in the past have been mixed. Usually your comments are well thought out and legible. Other times, you come off as a “Borat” from a former soviet block country. Don’t take offence when I say that your recent writing is similar to some of the crazy Romanians that I’ve come across in the past.

        Can you clarify your comment about genetics? Was it meant to be rhetorical?

        Edited: for some typos.

        • Zappa Frank

          the guy i was arguing with used the “genetic explanation”, without evidence, to justify the good results of asians at school. now since there are no evidence i said that we may use the genetic explanation also for chinese soccer, chinese trash, chinese pollution.. there are no evidences as well, but if genes and not hard study is the reason behind asians success in school why cannot we think that the same is for chinese faliures.. Of course, i don’t mean that i believe genes are the origin of trash and pollution, just to show that whitout proof is a position valid as his position. Later it degenerated.
          edit: he said the genetic may be one explanation, but considering he said it in opposition with my “hard work” explanation and that he used genetic explanation for poor football performances and added something like that he admit this not like people who don’t admit genetic difference exist…. i think is clear that, despite he never used those words directly , he thinks genetic difference is the reason of asians success at school..

          • bujiebuke

            Thank you, that’s very clear. Please understand my initial confusion when it appeared that you were only responding to Dax’s picture.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Let me explain to you why your examples could be related or could not related to genes one by one.

            1. Pollution

            Massive pollution is not a phenomenon limited to China, it had occurred in almost every developed country during their industrialization process, so if there is a relationship between genes and pollution then it is in human genes to pollute.

            And pollution comes in different forms, when it comes to GHG emissions, western countries are much worse than China.

            2. Trashing

            I don’t think Chinese trash more than white people do given the same population density.
            You can only convince me if you give me some research/statistical data on that subject. You personal observation won’t work, because that’s subjective.A random picture on shenzhen beach won’t work, because I can easily find dozens of photos of massive littering that happened in western countries.

            3. Poor football performance

            There may be a genetic reason behind that. Asians overall, have been doing badly at football, asian teams have yet to win a single match in this world cup. And despite that some asians live in western countries, non of western countries’ national football teams have any ethnic asian players. On contrast, black is also an ethnic minority, but there are many black players in western countries’ football teams.
            Also, among all asian countries, China is doing exceptionally bad, so it is also possible that Chinese are especially genetically bad at football.

            4. Academic performance.

            I have to say it again I never think genes is the reason for Asian American’s overall better academic performance over white Americans. However, it might be one of the reasons. Also culture/hard working might be another reason.
            However, If you want to say genes is not possibly one of the reasons, or if you want to say hard working is the only reason, you have to demonstrate some good evidences and some good reasoning. Just like what I did in the previous three examples.

          • Zappa Frank

            let start from
            4.
            i don’t say genes do not influence intelligence, but i don’t agree that some “races” are more intelligent than others due to genes. that is something hard to demostrate for anyone, in fact still now as for discussion with barak obama, we presented some papers that are controversed. if we go as far as saying that than we can say that genes influence behavior, than the behavior of some race is due to genes..isn’t believable as well?

            3
            there are many reasons i agree, as for school results.. Now, since chinese athletes are good in several sports i gwould more likely point out the organization and the “culture” of soccer more than any genes..

            2
            actually there are no statistic of trash as far as i know. anyway consider that i wasn’t the only one to say china has problems with trash.. actually in china there is an army of street cleaners that whipe the street every second. anyway i don’t want to push too much on this, i do belive china has a problem with trash, but that’s not my point.

            1
            ghg pollution produced by china is higher than any other country, of course if you mean for person is different, however ghg pollution is another kind of pollution that i would not take in my example, since it has also strong natural sources, it does not directly aftect the environment and the health of people and it works in a different way.
            before western countries polluted as well, correct, but before was unknown the danger of pollution. another thing, to compare with school results, beofre the school result of western countries were higher by far than the asians ones.. simply as for pollution things are changed.

            Now, my point really is not even the pollution for itslef. Let’s consider anyway pollution or trash are in the end results of behavior, behavior is influenced by genes, than if i say school results are due to genes i can say also the pollution and trash of a nation are due to genes..
            You say pollution was a problem before also for westeners, correct, but before even the school results were just good in western countries.. and than?
            In the end my point is that for something so complex as intelligence or behavior (especially if we talk about “races”, than milions of people) you should really do a reaserch measuring every single parameter to have a reliable results, else the enviornment gives the most important influence.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            I think our discussion is pretty much over at this point, you have the right to believe what you like:

            but i don’t agree that some “races” are more intelligent than others due to genes

            But just don’t push others to agree with you especially when all the evidences are at best “controversed”.

          • Zappa Frank

            sincerelly i think is by far more controverse the point of more intelligent races, all to be demostrated and is also a bit a racist theory. Till now i’ve yet to see a serious paper that talk about more intelligent “races”, giving the fact that as i said to barak obama what is the “asian” race? because seems to me you pick just what is more convenient, japanese, chinese, koreans (that share all the same confucian culture of be obedient, study hard) and not for instance indonesian, thai, philippinos, malaysians, laotians, cambodians, and so on..

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            I would not say intelligence because, well, intelligence is hard to define and hard to measure.
            But existing evidences show that race is highly correlated with IQ scores and academic performances.
            If you what to convince others that race have nothing to do with academic performance… Please show some good evidences and reasoning

            you pick just what is more convenient, japanese, chinese, koreans

            In my opinion eastern asians are simillar(in terms of physical characteristics), you can hardly distinguish between Korean, Japanese and Chinese, and thats also the feeling of many other people. However the same is not ture for chinese and fillipnos or chinese and malaysians.

          • Dr Sun

            Complete gibberish,there is totally no credible scientific evidence to support what you say, whatsoever.

            But there’s buckets loads of it to refute what you say. Which has already been posted.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            What’s your reason and scientific evidence? If you don’t have any, please zip your mouth and stop wasting my time.

          • Dr Sun

            a simple google search , not even an academic search, will be needed to answer that for you.
            so I wont waste your time, you can go do your own literature review.

          • Barack Obama

            translation: i’m an idiot and i don’t know anything about genetics or science.

          • Dr Sun

            I know he doesn’t Barack,however you don’t need to translate what he’s saying for me though.
            Thanks anyway.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            I have done it and shown my evidences, I am not doing it again for someone who have nothing to offer in the first place. So just shut up and be gone.

          • Dr Sun

            simply replying by telling someone to shut up because you have no substance to use in your argument, does you no favours and simply confirms your defeat.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Its amusing when someone has neither evidences nor reasons claiming to win. You are nothing more than a parrot that keeps crying “You are wrong, there are many evidences! I win!” again and again but fails to present even a single evidence.

          • Zappa Frank

            You should show evidence to prove your position not viceversa science works in this way. There are at present no evidences of a race more intelligent than another for genetic reason. And please don’t come with school scores (that are not accademic results or paper published by the way)… If it was genetic how come Asians had to wait the arrive of western science? Yes it is an unfair question, also your position is unfair as well.

            So because they do look similar is an evidence that are a “race”? I’m sorry but again this is not science. Besies vitnamese, cabodians, laotians, some thais and so on can look chinese as well.. thing is that you simply chosed a “race” based on what is more convenient…

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            I have evidences to show that race is highly correlated with academic performance. And therefore it is possible the causation. You need some evidences and reasons to prove that its not the causation.Just like the evidences and reasons I used to prove that environmental damage is not the caused by genetic differences.

            If it was genetic how come Asians had to wait the arrive of western science?

            This have nothing to do with my argument: genes is possibly a causation of good academic performance. And I have no interest in getting into another irrelevant topic of discussion.

            and for similarity of Chinese/Japanese/Koreans

            In this study, population differentiation (Fst) and Principal Components Analyses (PCA) are examined using .200 K genotypes from multiple populations of East Asian ancestry. The population groups included those from the Human Genome Diversity Panel [Cambodian, Yi, Daur, Mongolian, Lahu, Dai, Hezhen, Miaozu, Naxi, Oroqen, She, Tu, Tujia, Naxi, Xibo, and Yakut], HapMap [ Han Chinese (CHB) and Japanese (JPT)], and East Asian or East Asian American subjects of Vietnamese, Korean, Filipino and Chinese ancestry. Paired Fst (Wei and Cockerham) showed close relationships between CHB and several large East Asian population groups (CHB/Korean, 0.0019; CHB/JPT, 00651; CHB/Vietnamese, 0.0065) with larger separation with Filipino (CHB/Filipino, 0.014). Low levels of differentiation were also observed between Dai and Vietnamese (0.0045) and between Vietnamese and Cambodian (0.0062). Similarly, small Fst’s were observed among different presumed Han Chinese populations originating in different regions of mainland of China and Taiwan (Fst’s ,0.0025 with CHB). For PCA, the first two PC’s showed a pattern of relationships that closely followed the geographic distribution of the different East Asian populations.

            Now I have again found some evidence. Hope you do the same thing but not keep comparing apples to oranges.

          • Zappa Frank

            You are not familiar with scientific method if you say I have to prove that there is no causation, even more if you think you have proved that environmental damage has not genetic reasons, seems like you write something and work as judge declaring by yourself to be the winner. Apparently you read papers without being able to understand what they say, please link the article. Do they talk about races? No. They do say “show close relationship between Han and ther East Asian population” does it say what is the limit that make it relevant for your so called superior genesi of intelligence? No. Again, if Philippines would score good you would use them too as example. It is all your choice to decide the limit you wanna use or not. Is per se evident you are not familiar with papers dice you post just a part and not the link and dice you use it to push a “genetic intelligent theory” it doesn’t say. I suggest you to read some paper also about Asians scores in western countries before pushing the genes theory. Thanks to read David post about it..

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Proved or not, I have shown some reasons that why environmental damage has nothing to do with genetic differences.

            As a return, please, can you also show some reasons why better academic performance has nothing to do with genetic differences

            The paper I referenced have nothing to do with intelligence whats-so-ever. It is simply an answer to your question about the definition of Asian.

            You suggest me to read some paper but you haven’t even made the slightest attempt to explain your “Academic performance have nothing to do with genetic differences” theory, no reasons, no evidences, no papers, nothing.

          • Kai

            I think you’ve done a good job making clear your position here, so I just want to nitpick on one thing:

            2. It’s not so much population density as it is socialized habits and norms. White people who grew up with the same norms and habits as Chinese people will litter in relatively the same proportion. Their genes don’t decide whether they litter or not. Their social environment does.

            Density doesn’t decide how much litter there is, it may at best have some correlation because it is a measure of how many actors are involved. The more people involved, the more likely you’ll have people of differing values and habits. You can have two populations with the same density but one litters less because they share the norm that littering is bad. Likewise, you can have a denser population that litters less than a less-dense population because it has an anti-littering norm.

          • Barack Obama

            IT IS GENETICS! Asians have better grades at school than say, blacks, because they are smarter, have a bigger brain, and have a higher IQ, value academics more maybe, all of which is a part of who you are so therefore a part of who you are genetically. Maybe you feel somehow personally offended by this somehow? I don’t really see why it’s so hard to agree with this.

          • Zappa Frank

            please show me some papers where it is demostrate that is genetics. with some accademic value, not from micky mouse magazine .. waiting

          • Barack Obama

            MR.Frank there are soooo many are you not even curious enough at all to google it, and if i don’t do it for you then this whole theory is by default false? Just go look it up yourself at least you’ll find it an interesting read even if you won’t change your mind.

            EDIT: Here i googled it for you, just click on one of the top 10 to 300 hits:
            https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=genetics%20linked%20to%20intelligence

          • Zappa Frank

            seems you are not aware that to look for paper you should use google scholar. i don’t think you have a clear idea about what is a paper and neverless what is a reliable one accepted by scientific community:

            here something not from micky mouse:

            http://medicine.yale.edu/labs/kidd/www/440.pdf

            i can find more but i have to go to ikea to find a way to fight mosquitos

          • Barack Obama

            I’m sorry but this paper is poop. It seems like they argue a lot purely on the point of semantics, like saying things like there is no such thing as “race” (which doesn’t really matter because it’s all semantics) or that “we do not know what intelligence is” (another pointless thing to say) and then twist and spin to prove their point. there is no evidence, data, or statistical analyses at all.

            “In conclusion, intelligence is, at this time, ill defined.”

            so that’s the conclusion they made from all this?”

            “Although many investigators study “IQ” or “g” as an
            operational definition of intelligence, these operationalizations are at best incomplete, even according to those who
            accept the constructs as useful”

            Stupid opinion.

            “Race is a social construction, not a biological construct, and studies currently indicating alleged genetic bases of racial differences in intelligence fail to make their point even for these social defined groups. In general, we need to be careful, in psychological research, to distinguish our folk conceptions of constructs from the constructs themselves”

            OK thank you for your civil rights warnings and pointless opinions.

            MR.frank if you so choose to go read The Bell Curve. It’s an entire BOOK, not just a couple of papers, FULL of scientific research, data, and statistical analysis on this subject. FULL THROBBING ROCK HARD SCIENCE that can’t be denied. Not just an argument that everything is “a matter of interpretation.”

          • bujiebuke

            I’m glad to see someone brought out “The Bell Curve”. Much of the books premise, that IQ is strongly correlated with race, is based on papers that used either falsified data or erroneous statistical practice.

            The most cited part of that book was data presenting IQ scores based on geographic locations. They agree with the authors of the original paper which concluded that higher IQ correlates with lower than average temperature. One serious flaw was that many countries in eastern Europe, Africa, and Asia did not (still some do not have today) have IQ data. So do you know what they did? I kid you not, those fuckers took the IQ “weighted” average of their neighbouring country. It’s absolutely infuriating that a piece of crap like that got through the peer-review process and then the public taking that work as definitive evidence of IQ and race correlation.

          • Barack Obama

            “Much of the books premise, that IQ is strongly correlated with race, is based on papers that used either falsified data or erroneous statistical practice.”

            that’s a lie. flat out lie.

            “One serious flaw was that many countries in eastern Europe, Africa, and Asia did not (still some do not have today) have IQ data. So do you know what they did? I kid you not, those fuckers took the IQ “weighted” average of their neighbouring country.”

            evidence? even if that is true they cite dozens of IQ research data. that would be only one that they didn’t catch. Also show evidence that these averages produce results that would be different and/or far off from real data.

          • bujiebuke

            OK. I spent the better part of my afternoon trying to find that paper, and I’ve given up. We had a lengthy discussion back in grad. school about oh 8 or 9 years ago so forgive me if I can’t recall who the primary fuckwhad was and what journal it was published. I think I mentioned that it was probably already retracted by that time.

            I did find one of Richard Lynn’s earlier paper (The intelligence of the Mongoloids: A psychometric, evolutionary and neurological theory) dealing with his cold weather theory – namely regions that had extreme cold weather acted as selective pressure for higher IQ. I invite you to read it yourself. However, it’s bunk, there are a lot of better explanations out there now – like tropical disease and low quality nutrition negatively affects IQ. Look the rest of this stuff up yourself, I’m not going to do your homework.

            Of course this is all assuming that IQ is an accurate measurement of intelligence. It’s still highly debatable as it’s very difficult to measure in a controlled way.

          • Barack Obama

            Why do all smart people have high IQs and vice versa? it’s the most accurate measurement of intelligence we have. IQ test isn’t just about memory, it’s about problem solving. Also it’s the single greatest determinant of “success” in life.

          • bujiebuke

            How do you define “smart people”? People with a high IQ?

          • Barack Obama

            the same way you define “smart people.”

          • Zappa Frank

            but the truth is also that is up to what you decide to be “race” and “intelligence”.
            Let’s decide for instance.. let say asian race, do we include indonesians, malaysians, philippinos, thai, laos, cambodians, birmanian, and so on? what is the limit of asian race? do we include uzbekistanian, turkmenian and other central asians? if no why? what’s the criteria? the same for white race, do we include north africans? middle easters? iranian? any result of any mesure can vary a lot due to our decision of race.
            and what is intelligence? because even this is not an easy matter. there are a lot of people that do not find the IQ as a reliable indicator.
            No i do not feel threated, belive it or not i’ve always had good scores in every iq test, not excellent but above the medium .
            thanks for the suggestion about mosquito i’ll try since i did not find any mosquitos’ net even in ikea.

          • Kai

            I’ve tried both the mosquito incense and nets. The nets work better. Ikea might not be a good place to find them. Try a local Chinese supermarket. I forgot, where in China are you? They shouldn’t be too hard to find.

            God, I hate mosquitos.

          • Zappa Frank

            i’m in shanghai.. but 家乐福 don’t have it as well, i’ll try some chinese supermaket… i was looking the kind of mosquitos net you can stick on the windows. my house have mosquitos net on all windows except in the kichen and bathroom, that makes useless all the others mosquitos net..

          • Kai

            Oh, I was thinking of those nets you hang around your bed. I’m thinking you want insect screens for windows? Yeah, I’m not sure where you can get those. Maybe a home improvement store. There are places that make custom windows and netting (often found around newer developments but there are also construction and home fixtures markets). Probably need to get a guy to come up, measure the windows you need covered, and give you a quote.

          • Zappa Frank

            that difficult? but i was thinking something easy like a stripe of adesive on one side, velcro on the other side to put all around the windows and than a net that i can cut by myself with ths same windows’ dimension and stick on the velcro..
            i saw it in the home of a friend in chongqing, i thought in shanghai would be easy to find, but i was wrong…

            anyway today i have different things that worry me.. italy lost to costarica (and deserved to lose), more than mosquitos i’m worried about the match with uruguay. it is our last chance, but more than this i’m worried because italy really sucks..

          • Kai

            LoL, I was thinking that’d be easier than finding the materials for a DIY solution but you can totally do a DIY thing too. It shouldn’t be too hard to find adhesive and rolls of insect netting. Look for those window shops or home construction/fixture shops/markets. They should have them. Anyway, I’m sure you’ll find them eventually. I was just trying to help.

            I think I missed the Italy game or I wasn’t paying attention. The games that stick in my mind right now was the France beatdown of the Swiss, and feeling bad for England/Rooney.

          • Kai

            Aw crap, I had a sneaking suspicion you were a Bell Curve reader. Without wanting to simply shun you, you’ll be taken more seriously when you can adequately respond to the existing criticisms (and the authors’ own disclaimers) of the book:

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Curve#Criticisms

          • Barack Obama

            i don’t know if you’re in china or not but those chinese mosquito incenses work really well.

          • Kai

            To the extent that genetics can account for difference between individuals, that’s indisputable.

            To the extent that you are arguing that Asians as a generalied ethnicity/race are smarter, have bigger brains, have higher IQs, or value academics more, you’re a fucking idiot.

            I don’t think anyone will deny that there are broad racial/ethnic differences that can’t be fully dismissed with arguments of nutrition or physical conditioning. If you’re born with blue eyes, you’re born with blue eyes. If your genes dictate you’re gonna be a short guy, you’re gonna be a short guy, and that’s gonna hurt you in sports where height is an inherent advantage.

            However, intelligence and IQ is not as easily measurable as determining eye color or height. “Valuing academics” is even less determined by “genes”.

            People generally “value” academics if they are socialized to, not so much because they were born with such a value. Oh sure, we can argue that some individuals were born with some natural curiosity that moved them to want to learn as much as they could about everything or whatever, but this is not a trait that is demonstratably applicable to a generalized population like “Asians”. There are overwhelming amounts of Asians who are underachievers, in academics or otherwise.

            The hesitation to link intelligence to race/ethnicity is not only a matter of modern political correctness but also a matter of what are scientifically and statistically valid conclusions. Intelligence and academic performance are dictated by a huge array of factors of which an individual’s genes are merely one. Much more relevant are issues of upbringing, of parenting, of the popular values within that person’s peer group. There is nature, yes, but also nurture.

            There isn’t too much we can do about nature, but there is something we can do about nurture. Asians who do well academically would be doing a disservice to their supposed intelligence if they attributed their successes to their genes instead of the efforts of their parents, peers, and themselves.

            I doubt anyone is saying genes don’t matter. They certainly do, but you nonchalantly saying one race is genetically superior to another is just stupid, and racist.

          • Barack Obama

            actually it is, you are the fucking idiot.

          • Kai

            It’s offensive and controversial and plain idiotic in the same way as the “fact” that white people are more “civilized” than the Chinese.

            It ISN’T a fact.

            You can cite that East Asians do better academically, score higher on IQ tests, whatever, but these don’t prove that East Asians are inherently “smarter”. It just proves that they’ve done better academically and score higher on IQ tests. So what explains the differences in performance? That they’re naturally smarter? Or is it because they’ve had better access to education? Just as many white people who look down on the Chinese have enjoyed more stable, developed, and richer standards of living?

            If you take two individuals and control for EVERY nurture experience that shapes them and one does better than the other, THEN you might have a case for genetics. Given how hard it is for us to control for even that, how much harder is it to control for entire generalized populations? Not doing this and leaping to conclusions about genetic intelligence is against the very principles of the scientific method.

            You are engaging in and buying up pseudoscience. You are ascribing the products of socio-economic and historical circumstance to inherent genetics.

          • David

            I will add this small bit and let others do their own research (it is good for them). As a social scientist I can tell you the phenomenon of how east Asians do academically (I am strictly speaking about in America) is an extensively studied topic. I can not even tell you how many papers I have read regarding it and have even written a few (only minor ones of no real significance). Depending on the generation of the student (first generation immigration vs. 1.5 vs. 2+ generations) academic achievement (including both test scores and grades in secondary education) is on average slightly but statistically better for most Asian immigrants and Asian Americans than for the population in general. While there are several factors contributing to this, they are ALL environmental (i.e. family influence, economic level, perceived self-identity, peer pressure, community expectations etc. . .). I have not seen a study published after about 1985 the purports to demonstrate any genetic connection between academic performance and the ‘model minority’ Asians. In fact, in cases where these environmental factors are overwhelmingly negative (such as in the case of male Hmong immigrants) the results are overwhelmingly the opposite. With high levels of drug and alcohol abuse, astronomical drop out rates, huge gang problems and very high homicide and suicide rates. This is within the same community where female members, with positive social support, have thrived. So yes, Kai, you are correct about the environmental factors leading to good academic achievement. I can not help but assume (because I have only read a few from other countries like England and France) that in other western countries the results for immigrants is the same. As for Asians in ASIA vs whites in western countries, I will not even begin to list the number of ways test results are junk when compared across national borders (even within countries of similar ethnic majorities like the U,S, and Canada or Japan and Korea) in so many ways.

          • Kai

            Yes, it boggles my mind that people want to jump to making conclusions about genetics before environmental (nurture) factors can be controlled for, and yet they claim “science!” Ron Burgundy, anyone?

          • Zappa Frank

            This is something I hope some people here will read.

          • Barack Obama

            “To the extent that you are arguing that Asians as a generalied ethnicity/race are smarter, have bigger brains, have higher IQs, or value academics more, you’re a fucking idiot.”

            No, you’re the fucking idiot. You CAN measure brain size and IQ, and then take the averages for each “race” or if you so wish, population pockets/areas. As for which one values academics more, just go to any school dominated primarily by blacks and you can visually see for yourself. You have not read the Bell Curve or understood its meaning. Probably too intellectually dishonest.

            Nobody is saying one race is superior. But why the hell can they not be superior? Blacks are superior in sprinting, Asians are superior in mathematical calculations. So what? Does that hurt your feelings? Kumbaya. Science, bitch.

          • Kai

            I think I already wrote somewhere that you would be taken more seriously if you pre-emptively addressed the existing academic criticisms of The Bell Curve instead of merely regurgitating the conclusions you drew from it. You’re not doing that.

            No, you’re the fucking idiot. You CAN measure brain size and IQ,

            I never said you can’t. My point was that it is not scientific to disregard all the other factors that shape these things and conclude “genetics!”

            As for which one values academics more, just go to any school dominated primarily by blacks and you can visually see for yourself.

            So I can go to mainland China and see for myself that Chinese people are genetically predisposed to littering? They value the environment less because of genetics? It isn’t socialization? It isn’t socio-economic circumstance?

            Black kids don’t value academics because of genetics and not because of the socio-economic conditions they are born and raised in, conditions shaped by history, but not just their own actions but often the actions of others? It’s becase of their genes and not because their peer groups may also be nonchalant about academics, also because of their own historical socio-economic circumstances and influences?

            The eagerness to blame genetics is unscientific AND intellectually dishonest.

            Nobody is saying one race is superior. But why the hell can they not be superior?

            First of all, you need to acknowledge that you are making remarks that are very suggestive of saying one race is superior. I don’t think anyone is saying one race CAN’T be superior. What people are saying is that there is no compelling evidence demonstrating one race being “smarter” or having higher “intelligence”, AS DICTATED BY GENETICS, than another.

            The Bell Curve is rife with very valid questions of scientific and statistical validity. If you can’t answer those, you shouldn’t be taking its conclusions at face value. Much less promoting them.

          • Dr Sun

            Have you actually read any of the links ?

      • Dr Sun

        LOL :)

      • Dr Sun

        Don’t worry Frank, one or more of our resident genetic determinists will re-educate you either through presenting trash science as evidence and fact, or through your forced labour….. either way you will be assimilated.

        • Zappa Frank

          like in star tresk the borgs “every resistance is futile”

          • Dr Sun

            I believe that the racist, genetic determinist’s that infect this site “what to believe” and expect all the rest of us to believe their drivel LOL .

      • Phlegming Liberal

        No…it’s purely cultural and educational.

        Then again you can say the retards that keeps getting voted into congress from GOP districts is probably genetic since no amount of education will improve these people, and in fact it’s getting worse.

        • ex-expat

          The last thing America needs is more people blaming the other party for anything and everything. No party has all the right answers.

          Edit: Both parties have their fair share of brilliant minds and idiots.

    • a selfish country….willing to poison themselves and live in their own filth, How can China build an army when its own people don’t respect each other or their own country?

      • LaoShu

        try Chinese Bukkake it might help Fred!

      • Angie Mac

        Some might say that the country doesn’t exactly respect the majority of the people, so the majority of the people don’t respect the country. Others may say that due to a modern society built on authoritarian characteristics, it’s just their way (let the lower rung clean it up).

        But for me, it’s always been a very sad mystery as to what motivates many in China to needlessly litter. Hopefully it’s something that will change.

        • Tom

          Right! Let the majority dictate over the minority. Democracy is an unfair rule.

          Everyone says freedom is democracy and USA is freedom. Democracy dont give freedom. Democracy killed our greatest philosopher for Christ sake.

          USA is a republic and not democracy. But everyone thinks USA is freedom democracy. The world has been brainwashed by false democracy. USA is a republic and not democracy. Why cannot people get that.

          Rome is a republic. USA is Rome. Don’t people get that? There is no democracy in USA and USA is not a democratic country. Stop being brainwashed by the stupid MEDIA!

          Have you been to USA? There are trash everywhere in the streets in my neighborhood.

          • Dr Sun

            I think once the votes of an unelected “Electoral college” backed by the supreme court Judges and not the popular vote decided who was to become president, that became very obvious.

          • David

            I realize you have an agenda in what you say, but giving false information actually fools those who do not know any better. Both the Electoral College AND the Supreme Court were given their power by the constitution which was voted on and ratified not only by the founding representatives of the country at the constitutional convention in Philadelphia in the summer of 1789 but then ratified by the original states of the United States. To say they are ‘unelected’ is a intentional ‘red herring’. Many elections are not settled by the popular vote. This is how our system is set up on purpose to give smaller states more say in the process. This help a smaller community have more say in how the country is run. As for the Supreme Court justices, they are appointed for life to allow them to make the tough decisions, by a president (who is elected) and approved by senators (who are elected). And those justices who made the decision in 2000 were put there by presidents of both political parties (none by the two men who were running). In addition, 13 RECOUNTS sponsored by newspapers over the following year verified they made the correct decision, as President Bush did indeed end up having the most votes in those districts (as eventually acknowledged by Vice-President Gore and most of his campaign). It has been 14 years, time to let it go man. If you want to be mad be mad about ballet box stuffing in New York during the election of Millard Filmore or either of Cleavland’s elections (or more recently all those arrested and convicted of voter fraud in the last two elections)..

          • Dr Sun

            nice try

          • David

            Fair enough. We can certainly agree to disagree, I have enough respect from reading your other posts to know you are usually sincere in your comments (not to mention I have great respect for anybody who spends many years studying to learn to help others).

          • Phlegming Liberal

            You’re an idiot. Try reading how the electoral college works here.

            This is not the old Repulic of China’s system where lifetime national reps vote every few years on a president and changes to the constitution.

          • Dr Sun

            saw how it worked in overturning the popular vote, democracy my ASS

          • 5,000 years of uncivilization

            Why don’t Chinese people care about their environment? Do they hate their lives or China?

          • Dr Sun

            continously repeating the same old anti-Chinese and racist rhetoric in a attempt to get noticed and upvoted is pretty sad.

          • 5,000 years of uncivilization

            I’m only trying to find the root cause why China isn’t as clean as Japan. What is the difference? I’m not being anti-Chinese or racist at all but i am sad that China is so polluted.

          • Xio Gen

            Because they don’t have any environmental regulations and rely heavily on dirty coal plants. What few regulations they have can be easily looked over with bribes to corrupt officials.

          • 5,000 years of uncivilization

            That may be so but how to account for all the trash many or most Chinese throw on the streets, into rivers or even out of the windows of my apartment building? Seems they have too little education or a lack of respect for others and the environment. No matter the reason, something must be done if they intend to be a civilized or developed country. China can’t possibly be considered civilized or developed when they have such lack of respect for others and the environment.

          • Tamil Tiger

            Just like liars, that’s Chinese culture.

          • David

            Your ignorance of politics and history are staggering. The United States political system can be described in many ways. It is a Representative Democracy (the only country small enough to have a straight democracy these days is some place like Lichtenstein). Each adult, of both sexes) who has reach a maturity of 18 years gets the franchise (while even ancient Greece, who had a true democracy, limited their voting to 10,000 male citizens of wealth) The government is a Republic as it is several regions with local governments (50 states) who have come together to form a country with a central government whose power has some limits for states rights. Being a Republic is in no way contrary to being democratic. Rome was a Republic for 400 years and then an Empire for 400 years. The dividing point was Julies Caesar. The first Emperor being his successor Augustus (his nephew Octavian) who consolidated his power from the triumvirate that took over when JC was killed.

            Maybe there is trash all over your neighborhood, but most are clean (like mine). Only rude young people pollute anymore and most people walking by trash on the ground
            where my house is will pick it up. I suggest you start doing the same in your neighborhood, it makes like nicer to live without garbage everywhere.

          • Xio Gen

            You are goddamn retarded. A republic just means that there’s no monarch. North Korea is a republic, too.
            America is a democracy because we vote for our leaders. We’re a representative democratic republic.

            You do realize that YouTube is media, right? Fuck off, freeper.

          • SonofSpermcube

            Republic is not the opposite of or exclusive of democracy.

        • Phlegming Liberal

          It’s not a need. After living there for a few years I realized they just don’t give a flying you-know-what.

        • ignorance is not a mystery

        • TheSpeakerOfTruth

          What’s with the incredibly high rates of rape, assault and murder against women in the West?

          Do you have some kind of irrelevant political “insight” for this phenomenon as well?

  • DavidisDawei

    I definitely noticed when I was in Japan. Three million people go through Tokyo’s Shinjuku Train Station every day, but you have to strain to find even a cigarette butt on the ground.
    I wish people in America cared as much. Time to bring back the commercial of the Indian crying when he sees all the garbage along the highway, but it probably wouldn’t be allowed to air in today’s world.

    • bujiebuke

      First, nice picture of Garibaldi lake. Second, your spot on that littering is not isolated to China. True, Chinese citizens often represent the worst when it comes to littering.

      • DavidisDawei

        Thanks, You were close. That photo was taken at either Lake Moraine or Lake Louise in Banff.

        Regarding littering, I have asked my friends in China about it and I know I’m never going to win that debate, but let them know what to expect when they travel outside of China, The Chinese have folks cleaning the streets at night. So surprise, surprise Chinese society thinks it is normal to throw anything anywhere.

        I noticed during Spring Festival in Hangzhou that those folks who clean weren’t allowed to go home for the Holiday because their jobs were considered essential. Imagine the streets if they stopped cleaning at night?

        • bujiebuke

          “The Chinese have folks cleaning the streets at night. So surprise, surprise Chinese society thinks it is normal to throw anything anywhere.”

          – Finally, someone showing a degree of impartiality on this site. It’s absolutely true that the majority of Chinese think leaving trash on the street is OK mostly because someone is paid to clean the street. There’s also a mindset that “I’m a paying customer, therefore I’m allowed to make a mess”.

          It seems that many of the motives behind what people do in China that westerners find so alien is motivated by keeping people employed, albeit at the minimum level. The street cleaners for example, seem to be mainly made up of the elderly and people with slight physical disabilities. It’s almost like a perversion of government security that keeps the people who are unqualified for most jobs from panhandling (although there a lots of those too). I have wondered how many street cleaners represent the labor force and what would happen to them if people stopped littering all of a sudden.

          • Boris

            The thing is, I think China would still need those cleaners even if the Chinese littered less because, lets face it, China has a huge population.

          • ex-expat

            I am not sure how much the population size has to do with it. China is also the third largest country in the world geographically. Japan has a much higher population density, and so does Hong Kong.

          • Boris

            China is a large country, but the population isn’t spread out evenly in the country. There are places in China where there are high population density.

          • ex-expat

            Correct, but that doesn’t matter. Hong Kong, Singapore and Macau even have just about the highest population densities in the world.

          • Boris

            Do their people litter as much as people in Mainland China litter? Do they have as many street cleaners as Mainland China? Will cutting littering by half have an impact on the employment of street cleaners in their country?

          • ex-expat

            Of course not…but you said

            “The thing is, I think China would still need those cleaners even if the Chinese littered less because, lets face it, China has a huge population.”

            Which I took to mean that street cleaners are needed because of the large population, which to me doesn’t make sense because places like Hong Kong, Singapore, etc. are much cleaner and have a much higher population density.

          • Boris

            I guess we got our wires crossed or I should have put a bit more explanation into my post. Let’s move on.

          • bujiebuke

            I have been to Hong Kong a number of times, and I was generally unimpressed with the sanitation. You’d have to be blind to miss the litter in Kowloon and the New Territories. Actually you could be blind and still notice the litter by stepping onto some random advertisement or discarded food or whatnot. The streets and buildings gave off a grimy feeling (maybe due to the pollution?) – it felt like walking through the Bronx in some parts. There were also some nicer parts, but those were few and far between. It’s a complete joke to compare the sanitation of Hong Kong with Kyoto or Tokyo.

            Before someone chimes in and blames that all on the mainlanders, expats from Hong Kong have confirmed my observations before the wave of immigration and tourism from the mainland. But what the hell, chime in anyways and tell us how mainlanders have ruined your lives.

          • ex-expat

            How is your post relevant to mine?

          • bujiebuke

            very simple, you cited Hong Kong as a place that’s much cleaner and in my opinion it is not cleaner than a city like Shenzhen. Also, I have not been to Singapore, but from what I understand, they have draconian laws against littering and spitting of every kind. Therefore, I would guess that Singapore is yet another city (in this case city-state) that’s cleaner than Hong Kong.

          • ex-expat

            Ok great but that is not the point…if you read the other posts you would see that I mentioned places such as Japan and Singapore (let’s leave Honk Kong out of it, as you don’t agree that it is cleaner than the mainland) have a much higher population density than mainland China, and yet are cleaner, which was in response to Boris’ statement:

            “The thing is, I think China would still need those cleaners even if the Chinese littered less because, lets face it, China has a huge population.”

            And I am not even from Hong Kong so I don’t see how what you wrote blaming mainlanders for ruining lives is relevant either.

          • bujiebuke

            I understood that you were responding to Boris. I wasn’t speaking directly to you per se regarding that last paragraph. It was a bit of hyperbole to point out that people on this forum have a tendency to blame mainlanders for Hong Kong’s problems. Certainly wasn’t intended to suggest that you were among those people.

          • ex-expat

            Thank you for the clarification.

          • MonkeyMouth

            singapore lifted its ‘no chewing gum allowed’ law recently, didnt they?

          • MonkeyMouth

            hong kong looked pretty clean to me…..chengdu on the other hand…..

          • bujiebuke

            Sure, I don’t think anyone would argue about China’s large population. I was musing more about the economic fallout as a consequence of reduced littering.

    • firebert5

      I attribute it to their Shinto culture that sees cleanliness as a pivotal act in everything they do.

    • MonkeyMouth

      you, sir, are absolutely right

  • Markus Peg

    “Because [the trash] was discarded by Japanese people, naturally they themselves will pick it up. ” (网易山西省临汾市网友 [鱼打芭蕉2]:)
    I don’t see Chinese people doing the same thing in Sanya after leaving their rubbish.. 85% Just leave rubbish behind. with other countries it can range between 30-60%.

    Give credit where it is due, the Japanese fans did a good thing.
    The way people just don’t care about littering is one bad thing about China.
    This will hopefully change over the next 20 years. The government should start education kids not to liter while in school.

    • Kai

      That one commenter is an idiot.

      • Markus Peg

        I guess i cannot blame him too much, I have been quite cynical of late, I think i have left a few trashy stupid comments myself.

  • bujiebuke

    I think it’s great that there are people who still care about their environment, and it speaks volumes about how impeccably clean the streets and railways in Japan are.

    I’d just like a clarification whether the people picking up trash were volunteers or employees at the stadium. Before you tell me that, “well obviously they look Japanese and therefore they’re from Japan”, do know that Brazil has the largest Japanese population outside of Japan.

    • Boris

      “…do know that Brazil has the largest Japanese population outside of Japan.”

      Yes, I do. Sadly for them, they aren’t always treated as Japanese if they move to Japan.

      • bujiebuke

        I’m glad that you do, and I agree they’re not well treated (big surprise) in Japan. However, I was wondering if these are pictures of people actually getting paid to pick up litter. Why are the people picking up garbage the only one’s wearing plastic raincoats and gloves – was this so well planned that most of the Japanese in attendance brought all of this stuff along (garbage bag in tow)?

        • Boris

          They could be volunteers or fans just helping out. There are pictures of people wearing the Japanese jersey while doing the pick up and one even witha hefy backpackers bag on his back. Or it could be a bit of both.

          • bujiebuke

            Someone provided a link from a different website that presents a clearer explanation. The Japanese fans came with blue trash bags to show their support for the team. Then they just used the trash bag to pick up rubbish around them as is apparently customary in Japan.

          • Boris

            Thanks for the info.

            Props to the people who pick up their own trash or take it with them.

  • Mighty曹

    This is shocking news for Chinese.

    • KamikaziPilot

      Actually probably shocking to everyone. I know in the US they don’t pick up their trash since there’s people hired to do that. I also read in another article that this is rare around the world, hence why it’s a story. Do any other peoples do this?

  • Being abroad means you will represent your own country. It doesn’t matter if you are a star, a dignitary, or an ordinary person, be mindful of your wods, actions, and bearing. Don’t always be thinking of places for plaza dancing.

    ^^ I think this is the most important comment. In the end, no matter where you go (outside of your country) you are “representing” the image of your countries. Otherwise, biases and prejudices are just going to be bigger and bigger, and stereotypes would be dumped on you. Ya don’t want a shitty image for yourself, be mindful and respectful.

  • Krinklesthecat

    “Japanese people also know of their negative image in the world” – I laughed

    • Boris

      They have a negative image mostly in East Asia. Or Korea and China. The rest of the world has (mostly) moved on from the WW2 era.

      [I know the Japanese don’t help themselves when their politicians shoot themselves in the foot regarding what happened during and around the early 1900s.

      • Jonathan_9

        I always laugh at that Chinese ideology and viewpoint. Get over it, Japan modernized and industrialized before you, like the warring states periods were somehow less brutal.

      • bang2tang

        New PRC become old Japan (Vietnam oil rig dispute).

    • bang2tang

      probably it comes from whaling issue.

      • bujiebuke

        That pretty much is the only negative aspect westerners are aware of about Japan.

        • KamikaziPilot

          You forgot about Pearl Harbour. One American websites, go to any article negative about Japan and you’ll undoubtedly come across a significant minority of posters who bring up Pearl Harbor and Japan’s killing of sea life and talk trash about the whole country, even to the point of wishing the Japanese dead. Not sure how prevalent this attitude is among the general public since most don’t talk like this in real life, but there is a significant portion of the population in the West who have negative views of Japan. A lot of Americans also can’t differentiate between the different Asian countries (ex. think Japan does shark fining). At least regarding the online posters, they are just as ignorant and bigoted as the Chinese ones.

  • stevelaudig

    I’ve never quite understood how “I love China” and casual littering go together. Unless both are simply rubbish.

    • Boris

      They have a mentality that it is someone elses job to clean the streets (there are a lot of street cleaners in China) so this reinforces them mentality to litter. They can throw something away, someone who’s job it is to clean the streets will pick it up.

      I do think they can be taught to litter less. I also thinkg even if you cut the litter by half, the cleaners will not be out of the job due to the population being so large.

  • Bluex

    Visit any place on Japan and compare it with China, the cleanliness disparity is like the rich and poor in China. Furthermore, almost anyone visiting both countries can tell the huge difference between the people.

    • bang2tang

      well, japan already build their “modern” culture about 100 years compared to mainland after cultural revolution.

  • Boris

    Or he is led to believe this through the state media.

  • Boris

    “I think more chinese people need to forego their ‘blind national faith’ and start to listen to other sided opinions. (and not just in matters related to Japan.)”

    True.

    • Irvin

      If they lift the ban on facebook and twitter, we will.

  • Tamil Tiger

    Chinese shit, pee, litters, shout everywhere they go. 5000 years of culture? Come on, don’t ever tell me that again.

  • 白色纯棉小裤裤

    Replace Chinese with American or English your argument is still true.
    I don’t know which country you are from. but please show me some photo of your country men picking up trash after a football match.

  • christina

    idk about others, but when I see trash on the ground I have an urge to pick it up because I want to live in a beautiful world and a place with trash everywhere is not beautiful or beneficial for anyone.

    living in a trash-free environment is good for everybody but all it takes is a couple of litterbugs to ruin it for everyone.

    • bujiebuke

      when did you become a mod??

      • Mr Weiner has left and started his own blog….http://weinerville.com/

        • bujiebuke

          OK Fred, you got me on two levels. 1. I can’t tell if your being serious and 2. that link is hilarious even if it’s fake. Damn, Fred Fong has one-upped me.

          • bang2tang

            confucius x bajie ㅋㅋㅋ

          • bujiebuke

            孔八戒?

  • KamikaziPilot

    I had a feeling this would be on CSmack when I read this story and sure enough a few days later here it is. Anyways most countries don’t clean up after themselves since it’s expected the stadium crew will do it so I wouldn’t criticize others for not cleaning up. It doesn’t make them more or less civilized. Still good to see the Japanese cleaning up, but really no big deal. You shouldn’t bash others for having different standards in this particular case.

    • whuddyasack

      This is true. The Japanese have a unique culture of picking up their own trash and cleaning up after themselves. I read this in a forum about the most polite tourists, or something along those lines and I kid you not, some Europeans were immensely impressed by this. That is the reason why things like this become news in various countries, not just China. I’ve heard that Koreans do the same thing although I cannot confirm this.

      What is ironic is that you’re the only Japanese here and you’re the only one not gloating. The discomfort of being complemented is something I’ve noticed amongst native Japanese too ;-P
      Actually, this is a good example for the Chinese to follow, not because none of them do this but because they should strive to keep such an image themselves. It is good for them to aim for a no-litter policy and encourage one another to keep their environment clean.

      I like this line best:

      You shouldn’t bash others for having different standards in this particular case.

      And would add on the bit that especially if your country is not Japan, and you’d fall short if your country was compared to Japan as well. I think that would include everyone because all nations are unique.

      • Rick in China

        I don’t know whether it’s “unique” to Japan, but it’s certainly part of normal operations in Japan. I remember watching a movie at a theatre in Tokyo and when the movie ended, as opposed to any other country I’ve watched movies at the theatre in, the lights go up – everyone almost mechanically organises and disposes of their trash in bins provided below, and the theatre is left about as clean as it was when the movie began. In Canada, people throw shit, leave _all_ their trash in the theatre, and cleaning crews clean it up afterwards equally as mechanically — and this is pretty much akin to what I’ve seen elsewhere. As far as cleaning up after yourself goes, it’s not just Chinese who can learn from this, but people from many countries..

        • whuddyasack

          As far as cleaning up after yourself goes, it’s not just Chinese who can learn from this, but people from many countries.

          This I can really agree with. The Japanese truly are a tidy bunch. Very fastidious with cleanliness. I’ve visited Japan quite often and hope to visit again in future. One thing I noticed was how clean and professional the country was. Nagoya, Yokohama, Tokyo, Kyoto, it didn’t matter. They were all very clean and people were well-dressed. Needless to say, I was very impressed. I’ve been to Paris, Boston, Detroit and L.A. and but none of them hold a candle to a single Japanese city. Paris was the cleanest of the lot and Parisians are very well-dressed. Actually, I was also surprised to find Singapore very clean overall. I was told that littering in Singapore incurred a fine.

          To be fair, I don’t think Canadians intentionally throw our shit everywhere in the theatres. We just happen to leave our trash behind expecting the cleaners to do their job. I suppose the problem is that we treat theatres as if they were restaurants.

          If there’s one thing Canadians can brag about, it’s being almost as polite as the Japanese. Although if I were to be honest, we’re actually very far behind. Those rankings are probably very shallow. I find Thais more polite than Canadians.

      • Dante

        When I was managing a hostel a few years ago, we would occasionally get Japanese students or tourists staying. They were the most respectful, clean and considerate guests!

        • whuddyasack

          That must’ve been a great experience. It’s lovely to have guests who actually know how to respect their hosts and show appreciation. Where I’m currently studying, it’s very diverse and multicultural. There are a lot of international students and restaurants of every culture imaginable. My favorite haunts are the various Japanese restaurants in the city and I’ve become good friends with many of them.
          I really do admire the workers there. Every morning, they are up cleaning the premises while every other shop remains closed. It’s incredible work ethic and reminds me that having discipline is very important.

      • KamikaziPilot

        Actually to tell you the truth I don’t really identify with being Japanese very much, especially since I’m 3+ generations removed from Japan. I don’t have much in common with native Japanese culturally, I don’t even like sushi, haha. I don’t even identify with being American too much either. I identify with being Asian American somewhat but even with that, not so much. I’ve always been sort of a lone wolf type, never comfortable identifying with a group. You are right in that we can all learn from each other.

        • whuddyasack

          It’s always interesting when I think of another person’s heritage. I don’t really know how far removed from China I am. My dad isn’t fully Chinese, he’s fourth generation Chinese American and my paternal grandmother was an Iroquois Indian, a Mohawk. My mom is a first generation immigrant from China and well, I’m born in Canada and have a Canadian citizenship. I do make it a point to try to familiarize myself with Chinese customs and culture(well, mom tried to instill it in me) but I understand deep down that I’m not really Chinese simply because I did not grow up there. I might talk mad crap about Canada sometimes, but I’m Canadian and I suppose you consider Americans your compatriots. I identify myself as part of the Asian diaspora, which would include Asian Americans, Canadians, Australians, British, etc. and also you. ;-)

          Further along the lines, I identify as a Mongoloid/Far Eastern person so along racial lines, this includes all East Asians, Southeast Asians, Central Asians, NE Indians/Himalayans, Native Siberians and Native Americans. I know of many others who have the same identity associations as I have. As far as I’m concerned, you’re the same as me, by default.

          But enough about me (I can go on and on lol), I’m interested in you. Are you happy being a lone wolf? Do you have a circle of friends you feel especially close to? It’s always good to know that there are people you can count on. My circle of friends were mostly Asian and Native Canadians (oops there I go again).

          And I think it would be great if you delved a little bit into your culture. It would be an eye opening experience trust me, and it’s perfectly natural to study your roots. You’d find that there’s so much more than sushi, there might be something important in Japanese culture waiting for to be discovered haha

          • KamikaziPilot

            I don’t really care whether anyone seems me as a “true” Japanese, Asian, American or not, it’s up to each individual. Well Americans are my compatriots as much as the fact that we share the same citizenship. However, I don’t feel any special kinship with them nor do I consider myself patriotic by any means. Yeah I kind of identify with the Asian diaspora, but then again, only minimally. To me race is more of a social construct than a scientific one anyways. Racial identity differs depending on where you are.

            I’m happy being a lone wolf and have a small circle of good friends. I can get along with people pretty well if I chose to but I don’t get close to a lot of people. Agree that it’s natural to study my roots, and I have somewhat, but really, it doesn’t play a big part in my everyday life and I don’t make any attempt to try to fit in with native Japanese people and their culture. Like yourself, I know I’ll never be “one of them” and I’m totally fine with that. We are who we are, no need to try change that.

          • whuddyasack

            As long as you are happy and have healthy interactions with others around you. I was just a little worried about you mentioning you didn’t feel like you fit into any group. You could say I was concerned you felt rejected but I am glad you are doing great.

            It’s true that racial identity differs depending on where we are but we shouldn’t fool ourselves into believing it is a social construct. It isn’t really and our race is often times a factor in determining the treatment we receive, be it fear, envy or awe. Don’t expect people from any racial group to hold onto the principles of equality anytime soon. Many non-Asians will never concede their own racial allegiances the way most Asian Americans have and there is nothing wrong with admitting that our genes makes us different. Physically, an East Asian does not look white or black or brown. Our genes cause us to have higher IQs, commit less crime, yield greater artistic potential, age slower and even to stink less. It isn’t racism to recognize characteristics from our race anymore than it isn’t racist to admit many Blacks have nappy hair or Caucasoids have large noses.

            Like yourself, I know I’ll never be “one of them” and I’m totally fine with that. We are who we are, no need to try change that.

            Just being ourselves, the underlying theme in so many children’s films and books. It’s amazing how relevant keeping true to ourselves is for both children and adults.

          • KamikaziPilot

            Thanks for the concern, I think my not fitting into any group is more by choice than anything else. Ex. I also don’t identify with any political party since my values overlap with all of the parties. I guess I just identify with being Kamikazipilot, haha. Actually that username was initially meant as a joke, when I first set up my Disqus account I wanted to comment on an article and I had to come up with a username right away so I just tried to think of something silly. I had no idea I’d actually be using Disqus on a regular basis like I am now.

            I agree that race often is a factor in the way others treat us, although it shouldn’t be. I don’t have much hope this will change anytime soon though, after all it’s human nature to judge on appearances such as skin color, height, weight, dress, etc. Well it’s obvious physical traits are genetic, but when it comes to behavior (crime rate, IQ, artistic potential), I believe it’s much more cultural than genetics. When I say “social construct” I mean that genetically, there is very little difference between humans of different races. IIRC I read that our DNA is something like 99.999% the same across races. I mean that what race we are is defined by society. Ex. you can be 50% “African” and 50% “European” in America or China, and I’m guessing most people will identify you as “black”, not “mixed-race”, assuming your skin color is fairly dark (which it usually seems to be). My brother in law is 50% European and 50% Chinese racially but looks 100% European, so I’m guessing most people who don’t really know him treat him as “white”, even though genetically he’s mixed.

          • whuddyasack

            And I’m glad you are proudly yourself. I always feel like genetics play a role in behavior, for instance it’s always white Muslims that cause a ruckus like the freaking Arab loser who smashed some Buddha statues in Japan. Central Asian, Indonesian and Malaysian Muslims have been living in Japan with no problem whatsoever. Also, you know the knockout game? Who plays them? Blacks and whites. Asian Americans don’t despite all having grown up in the same culture. But my biggest issue with all of this is the fact that people are always going to discriminate based on race, and are intrinsically clannish by nature. It’s evolution and I find it sad that Asians are very often the least tribal. They are exploited by those who indulge in racial politics.

            Isn’t it strange though? For what are supposedly recessive genes, Caucasian characteristics come out VERY strong assuming the child is Eurasian. Hate to say it but those supposed Asian females wanting their babies to look white are right after all and the many whites who disagree are looking at things from a negroid-caucasoid perspective. My theory is the age of races plays a part as that is probably the basic human form. Negroids are the oldest race and Oriental Mongoloids the youngest by far.

            Of course some mixes do look more Asian and others a good mix, but by and large most Eurasians I know have dominant Caucasian features and look nothing like their Asian parents. I know some Eurasian couples and it’s strange, one such example is that the father’s side remarks on how the child looks so “white” while the mother’s side says the child looks Asian. She obviously looks Caucasian and has brown, curly hair and round eyes. But whatever the case, it’s clear her parents love her either way and as far as I’m concerned she’s one awesome baby. My sisters and cousin just can’t get enough of her. Women bonding, I tell you what we men know as bonding can’t hope to hold a candle to female bonding. It’s intrinsic and comes naturally to them. Evolution. Again. ;-)

          • orchidwater

            Not sure if all the qualities you attributed to Asians are genetic in nature, but I do agree with you about race/ethnicity not being a social construct. I noticed that most people in Canadian cities are so brainwashed by liberal rhetoric that they have an unreasonably broad definition of the word “racist”. Like, they’d peg you a racist and treat you like a bad person the moment you dare to recognize any racial differences or talk about the reality of racial politics. It’s total PC bullshit, meant to conceal harsh truths for the sake of not getting people’s feelings hurt. I’m glad someone like you has the courage and intellectual open-mindedness to think outside the box, because it’s really hard not to lose faith in humanity sometimes.

          • whuddyasack

            I feel like this is ending it where it all began. Finally past 1700 disqus posts so I’ll make this one count. Historically speaking 1701 was the year the Great Peace of Montreal was signed, wasn’t it? I’m sorry for my dated and very late reply to a dear, special friend. You could say I want to savor the moment and respond with a reply that could match your wisdom. Alas, I could never hope to match your intellect.

            Indeed, if race really were a social construct then there wouldn’t be SNP studies and research on hereditary ailments. Canada is one of the most PC, liberal nations in the world despite the current government being right wing. Politics is such a dirty business though and I now know why it’s one of three unmentionables. Political correctness is one of the things wrong with the world today and it is so frustrating that so few of us seek to challenge it. You always feel like you are walking on eggshells in an effort not to offend the other party. It is depressing how someone’s own prejudices of you come to the fore just because you hold “racist” viewpoints. The greatest conflicts on earth were resultant from differing ideologies.

            the courage and intellectual open-mindedness to think outside the box

            That makes two of us, your courage is commendable too. I think my past few days on CS has truly brought me closer to what you went through all this time here. Come to think of it, we’re around the same age and hold somewhat similar ideologies. Like you, I’ll end my status as a regular poster here, dropping by occasionally when I see something interesting. Personal circumstances overtake life. You see I’ve finally experienced the joy of falling in love and with it comes sacrifices to make. It’s such a complex, powerful emotion and I hope you never lose faith in humanity because we are such amazing creatures capable of so much.Perhaps you have more experience than me in this regard since it’s really my first time ;-P

            But you know what? If you do make a post, I’ll follow, read it and see it through just as I know you’ve been following mine. My advice is the same old advice I always give but never take, “留得青山在,不怕没材烧”.

          • Germandude

            I’ll end my status as a regular poster here, dropping by occasionally when I see something interesting. Personal circumstances overtake life. You see I’ve finally experienced the joy of falling in love and with it comes sacrifices to make.

            Great. Congratulations on finding your first love and let’s just all hope you show backbone and end your status as a regular poster here. Good luck on all your endeavors. You’ll need it.

          • mr.wiener

            Ahh youth. Was I ever so pompous? …..Yeh, probably.

  • MonkeyMouth

    you’re talking about spadina avenue in toronto, right?

  • MonkeyMouth

    awesome idea….employ silk blouse wearing plaza dancing aunties to slap litterbugs in the face….

  • MonkeyMouth

    Now, if only they can clean up Fukashima….

    • Kinda apples and oranges don’t you think?

      • YourSupremeCommander

        They can spend thousands of dollars and fly thousands of miles to pick up trash at a soccer game, but they can’t clean up their own shit at home?

    • bang2tang

      I guess radioactive particle is too small to see by naked eyes.

  • Kai

    The comment you first refer to was retarded for many reasons (some of which you point out at the end of your comment) but not for the suggestion that the Japanese were picking up their own trash. That was reportedly the Japanese section, so it was some Japanese fans picking up the litter of other Japanese fans. They didn’t go pick up everyone else’s litter in the other sections AFAIK.

    There was like 1 comment that was skeptical of the report, the one about sanitation workers. There was only 1 comment that complained about how Chinese people don’t get the same attention. Why do you comment about these but none of the many others that praised the Japanese?

  • Kai

    It’s not even pot and kettle. The Japanese don’t have nearly the same negative image Chinese have around the world.

    • Irvin

      They so don’t, the only negative image japanese have is probably about WW2, everything else they do from the product they make to their mannerism is way above chinese.

      But what can one do? it is what it is.

  • Kai

    Hah, yeah. The street cleaners exist in such multitude because its basically an government policy to provide employment to the population but it has had the effect of making the general population think littering is acceptable. They could just as easily employ (and empower) those people to go around slapping those who litter to train the general population off the bad habit.

    Of course, that would mean the better they do their job, the closer they are at making their job obsolete.

    Tough one.

  • Kai

    I don’t understand the relevance of your anecdote. You were on the last train and one that isn’t scheduled to go all the way to the airport. How does courtesy have anything to do with them notifying everyone to disembark on a closed train line or there being taxis and motorbikes anticipating people still needing transportation between the metro stop and their final destination?

    • bujiebuke

      I’m surprised you decided to throw a bone at this guy. There’s a good chance that he posted this on the wrong forum or he’s toting some bad shit.

      • Kai

        Hah, maybe. I’ve seen this guy comment before so it’s not like he was totally out of the blue.

  • Surfeit

    “Because [the trash] was discarded by Japanese people, naturally they themselves will pick it up. The football fans of other countries didn’t litter, so naturally they didn’t need to pick them up. —— Japanese people also know of their negative image in the world, so they use such actions to win the approval of the world. But disguised wolves are still wolves.”

    …and we have a winner!!

  • bang2tang
  • 5,000 years of uncivilization

    This sort of thing almost never happens in China. At the end of the day, streets in Qingdao look like hell but i’m trying to do something about it. Most Chinese just don’t give a shit about their environment. If they did, they would at least tell others to pick up their trash when they see someone litter.

    • bujiebuke

      Holy hell you really live in QingDao? How long have you lived there and how have you stayed alive? Let me tell you that city has a special class of crazy drunks. The one’s who challenge each other in knife fights over the smallest personal slights.

    • bang2tang

      LMFAO at your username, haha

  • Guest

    “Chinese fans cleaned up after games a few years ago.”
    Any idea what that comment was referring to?

    • Warren Lauzon

      Probably during the Cultural Revolution, when they needed more fuel for a fire to burn all the Qin Dynasty tapestries.

  • Angie Mac

    Anyone click on that Evergrande link?

  • 白色纯棉小裤裤

    Population of London: 8 million
    Population of Shanghai: 14 million
    Check it out on Wikipedia.

    • London population density: 5,285/sq km
      Shanghai population density: 3,800/sq km

      Check it out on Wikipedia.

      • 白色纯棉小裤裤

        That’s not a fair comparison because the population density for london is only for the City area. While the population density for shanghai is the total population divided by the total land area.

        Population density in huangpu, jing’an and hongkou districts of shanghai are well above 30,000/sq km, while the population density for the most crowded districts of london are around 13,000/sq km.

        • UK population density: 262/sq km (15th worldwide)
          PRC population density: 142/sq km (83rd worldwide)

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Why you are repeating something that Da didi already said?

          • Because it illustrates that the UK has a higher population density than the PRC. Your rebuttal to him/her was to point out that Shanghai has a larger population than London, which is irrelevant to the concept of population density.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            You don’t realized that most area in inland China is not inhabited, most Chinese people live in the southeast area and make the cities overcrowded. When it comes to real life, the population density of the most crowded district of shanghai is almost 3 times of the population density of the most crowded district of london.

          • You don’t realize that most of northern Britain is not inhabited. Most British people live in the southeast area and make the cities overcrowded.

            http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Population_density_UK_2011_census.png/338px-Population_density_UK_2011_census.png

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            It doesn’t matter because in the end

            the population density of the most crowded district of shanghai is almost 3 times of the population density of the most crowded district of london.

          • Does pollution in China only exist in the most crowded district of Shanghai?

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            We were not talking about pollution

            *facepalm*

          • By “pollution”, I meant trash, which I believe you were talking about. I consider trashing an environment to be polluting it.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            The pollution in China is not caused by trashing.

          • Trashing is polluting.

            If I throw a soda can on the ground, I’m polluting the environment. Pollution isn’t just microscopic.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            The pollution in China is not caused by trashing.

            I.e people throwing soda cans on the ground have nothing to do with China’s current pollution problems.

          • You’re not getting it. Trashing IS polluting. If I throw a soda can on the ground, that doesn’t just “cause” pollution––it IS pollution. Pollution isn’t just air pollution. Littering is polluting.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Please show me some data that shows China has a higher “Littering” pollution than England.

          • I never said it does. We were talking about population density before you decided to go off-tangent and start arguing about pollution. Did you forget that?

            The point is that you were arguing that population density is to blame for China’s littering (aka “trash”), and I simply pointed out first that London has higher population density than Shanghai and then that the UK has higher population density than the PRC. When you quipped that “the most crowded district of shanghai is almost 3 times of the population density of the most crowded district of london”, I inquired the relevance of this statement by drawing it back to the original purpose of your using this data, which was to explain the littering/trash in China.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            I have never said China has a littering problem. I was trying to explain the “feeling” you have about littering in China – The more people you see, the more littering you see.

          • I never said you said China has a littering problem. You were citing China’s higher population density as the reason for its littering, and I was simply pointing out that in general, China’s population density not as high as many other countries that are generally considered to be less littered than China.

            I really feel like you’re not understanding the flow of our conversation. Is it by any chance late where you are? Perhaps you’re sleep deprived. I don’t blame you, but it’s annoying having to repeat myself over and over again. All I’m saying is that China doesn’t have a higher population density than the UK. Sure, parts of China have higher population density than parts of the UK, but then, the “feeling” of littering in China doesn’t only exist in those parts, now does it? Therefore, it’s misleading to selectively cite them.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            parts of China have higher population density than parts of the UK

            That’s not the full story.

            The most crowded parts of China have 2.76 times of the population density of the most crowded parts of the UK.

            That suggests, Chinese cities over all, are much more crowded than UK cities.

            For example, the center area of Chengdu, a second-tier Chinese city, have a similar population density comparing to the most crowded areas of london.

          • Is the “feeling of littering” only limited to those parts? If so, then you have a valid argument. But if not, then you’re using statistics in a deceptive manner.

            It’s not unreasonable to theorize that there are multiple reasons for the “feeling of littering” in China, of which high population density is just one.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Feeling and statistics do not go together.
            I am offering an explanation trying to explain your feeling, but really, your feeling is not important.

          • [/facepalm]

            It’s not my feeling. I was referencing your own words. I literally haven’t even made a single comment regarding the prevalence of littering in China. I was just pointing out the logical fallacy of your argument with Da didi.

            Honest question: Are you currently under the influence of drugs and/or alcohol? It’s okay if you are, but it’s kind of disrespectful to waste my time like this.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            The “you” I used is plural, not singular.

            I am offering an explanation for a feeling, however that explanation don’t have to be very accurate, because a feeling is not important.

          • Whether plural or singular, it would be incorrect either way because I never said I have a feeling of China being littered (I do, but that’s irrelevant). The point is, even if China is the single-cleanest nation in the entire world, and even if I believed that China is the single-cleanest nation in the entire world, that still would not change the fact that China as a whole doesn’t have a fundamentally higher population density than the UK (and the rest of Western Europe). China is not just Shanghai.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            If you want to argue the semantics then you are right about China don’t have higher population density than the UK.

            But in real life

            Chinese cities over all, are much more crowded than UK cities.

            For example, the center area of Chengdu, a second-tier Chinese city, have a similar population density comparing to the most crowded areas of london.

          • Well, at least we’ve gotten that cleared up.

            As for your re-clarified point, China has hundreds of cities. Most of them are neither Chengdu nor Shanghai. The only way to really know if Chinese cities are overall much more crowded than Western European cities is to calculate the average population density for all Chinese cities combined and then separately for all Western European cities combined. This would of course take a prohibitively long time, and in absence of such comprehensive supporting data, you can’t really just make the claim and expect anyone to take your word for it. At best, it’s currently an unsupported hypothesis used as the underlying assumption of your PopulationDensity=FeelingOfLittering theory.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            When the top city of Western Europe is surpassed by the top city of China by 2.76 times and when Chinese second-tier cities come close to the top city of Western Europe in terms of population density, you just don’t say the population density of Western European cities is higher that of Chinese cities.

          • Population density (pop/sq km):
            21,000 Paris (2010)
            15,991 Barcelona (2011)
            _5,285 London (2012)
            _4,200 Chengdu (2010; Metropolitan area)
            _3,800 Shanghai (2013)
            _3,600 Chengdu (2010; Urban area)
            _1,883 Guangzhou (2013)
            _1,300 Beijing (2013)
            _1,200 Chengdu (2010; Sub-provincial area)

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            You realize the data for Paris, Barcelona and London are from the City area only do you? Metropolitan and Urban areas are excluded.

            The link below is a more reliable chart of population/population density using consistent measurements.

            http://www.newgeography.com/content/002808-world-urban-areas-population-and-density-a-2012-update

          • The data for those cities were unspecified, just as were the data for Shanghai, Guangzhou, and Beijing. Regardless of the metric used for those three Western European cities, they still ranked ahead of Chengdu by all three metrics available for Chengdu. Perhaps there’s a fourth metric I’m unaware of.

            The link you provided is far better than anything else you’ve provided thus far, but the article itself isn’t of much help since in only includes four Chinese cities and a paltry one Western European city. However, clicking the two-year-old article’s source reference actually directed me to the full new 2014 publication, so I’ll post some of the data from there:

            Population density:
            66,500 Hong Kong
            27,100 Singapore
            26,300 Seoul-Incheon
            25,600 Busan
            25,300 Daegu
            20,900 Chengdu
            16,600 Taipei
            16,200 Shanghai
            15,100 London
            15,000 Taichung
            14,900 Urumqi
            14,400 Hangzhou
            14,000 Dongguan
            13,900 Osaka-Kobe-Kyoto
            13,800 Guangzhou-Foshan
            13,400 Hefei
            13,400 Kunming
            13,300 Beijing
            13,000 Tianjin
            12,900 Nanjing
            12,600 Jinan
            12,300 Wuxi
            12,100 Madrid
            12,000 Nanchang
            11,800 Ningbo
            11,400 Tokyo-Yokohama
            11,200 Barcelona
            10,900 Quanzhou
            10,400 Suzhou
            10,100 Changzhou
            10,000 Paris
            9,700 Zhongshan
            9,400 Qingdao

            Note that a number of cities from countries generally not characterized as having the “feeling of littering” have higher population densities than a number of PRC cities. If your theory is correct, then countries with higher population density should have a higher “feeling of littering”.

            So do Hong Kong, Singapore, and South Korea (Seoul-Incheon, Busan, Daegu) have a higher “feeling of littering” than all the PRC cities listed below them?

            Does Taipei have a higher “feeling of littering” than all of the PRC cities listed below it?

            Do London and Taichung have a higher “feeling of littering” than all of the PRC cities listed below them?

            Do Osaka-Kobe-Kyoto have a higher “feeling of littering” than all the PRC cities listed below them?

            If the answer to all the above questions was “yes”, then the evidence supports your theory. But if not, your theory needs some fine-tuning.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Yeah I clicked in the reference too. Guess what I have found from the URBAN AREAS BY URBAN POPULATION DENSITY table?

            25 Chinese cities are in the top 200 , While 0 Western European Cities are in the top 200.

            China Hengyang 39,800
            China Leshan 39,400
            China Panzhuihua 38,500
            China YiChang 37,700
            China Jiamusi 35,500
            China Huaiyin 33,100
            China Chifeng 32,800
            China Lufeng 32,800
            China Zhanjiang 31,600
            China Wanzhou 31,300
            China Cangnan 30,300
            China Huaibei 30,200
            China Lanzhou 30,100
            China Luohe 29,400
            China Baoji 29,100
            China Yueyang 28,500
            China Fushun 28,100
            China Jinzhou 28,000
            China Yinkou 27,400
            China Handang 27,100
            China Pingdingshan 27,000
            China Huainan 26,900
            China Xinxiang 26,700
            China Fuzhou 26,500
            China Dangyang 26,100

            So it is quite apparent that the population density of Chinese cities is overall much higher than the population density of western European cities.

            My expatiation is for the feeling that China overall has more littering but is not city-specific.

            If you want to compare on a per-city basis, say, chengdu and London. I am not sure what someone who have been to both cities would say. But London is not known of its sanitation. Just google London and Litter and see how many disgusting images pop up.

            And all other cities you questioned just don’t count.. they are not western cities.

          • China has 656 cities. You’ve identified that 3.81% of them are in the top 200. Is that supposed to prove something?

            Apparently you’re forgetting that the entire point is that you cited population density as the “reason” for the “feeling of littering” in China. It doesn’t matter whether those other cities are Western or not, because this isn’t about China vs West in the first place. It’s about whether or not higher population density fully explains the “feeling of littering” in the mainland PRC (I notice you avoided commenting on Hong Kong, which has a far higher population density than any mainland PRC city; Macau does too, by the way).

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            I could not find the total number of cities in Europe as a whole, but a list of “Top 500 European cities” suggested that the number of cities in Europe is at least the same as the number of cities in China, if not more.
            http://www.citymayors.com/features/euro_cities.html

            Yet 0% of the European cities made their way to the top 200..and I wonder why.

            I agree that Chinese litter more comparing to other developed part of Asia(Hong Kong and Macau included). But I don’t agree that Chinese litter more comparing to western people given the same population density.

          • I can’t believe I actually took the time to do this, but I took the average population density for each PRC province (excluding the SARs) and reconciled it with each province’s share of the national population to yield the average population density that the average mainland PRC resident experiences, which is 408/sq km. In other words, the average mainland PRC resident lives in a location that has a density of 408 people per square kilometer. Naturally, this metric largely (but not completely) omits sparsely populated provinces like Tibet, Qinghai, and Xinjiang.

            For reference, China’s overall population density is 141.6/sq km.

            The degree to which 408 exceeds 141.6 reflects the geographic imbalance of the distribution of China’s population.

            Naturally, all countries’ populations exhibit some degree of geographical imbalance in distribution. Theoretically, the next step would be to do this calculation for other countries (European, if you insist, although that was never really the point in the first place), but I certainly don’t have time for that.

            I really don’t have time to continue this discussion, so take this data as you will. For the record, I was never interested in participating in another “China vs the West” battle in the first place. My first comment was simply addressing your comment stating that Shanghai has a larger population than London, as if that were relevant to the concept of population density. I’d say this has by now been clarified so I have nothing further to add and probably should have ended this discussion a long time ago.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            I really anticipate the time and efforts you put into this, and your work is truly amazing, however

            Three percent of the world’s land surface is covered with urban areas

            So the total land area of the provinces, is really irrelevant to what we were talking about. Which is the population density of cities.
            Nevertheless you are one of the few people I met on this website who are willing to take time to do some researches and support their arguments with proper data and reasoning. I really enjoyed talking to you. Thank you and have a good day.

          • Barack Obama

            if you just look at the population density of china in the eastern fertile green part it’s a lot more dense than britain. i have a feeling you’ve never been to china to say something so stupid as britain is more crowded than china.

          • I’ve dealt enough with you to know you’re not worth the 86 characters of this comment.

          • Barack Obama

            “I’ve dealt enough with you to know you’re not worth the 86 characters of this comment.”
            Translation: I am wrong and have no counter argument.
            Please don’t reply then ugly matt.

          • No.

            Translation: Last time you were a huge fucking pathetic worthless scumbag troll (not to mention obscenely racist), and I’m not going to waste another second giving you the dignity of a proper response. Notice how I’ve practically typed half a page in response to 白色纯棉小裤裤 because I at least respect him as a decent human being conducting himself in earnest good faith. You, on the other hand, are a disingenuous insufferable troll, as your most recent comment has conveniently illustrated. Good riddance to you!

            (I know you can’t bear to not get the last word, so just like last time, I’ll again let you squeeze in the last word (aka insult). Go ahead and insult my looks again to show how much not of a troll you are.)

          • Barack Obama

            Wow harsh words Ugly Matt. But it’s ok, let it out, let it out. It will be ok ugly matt. Seems like you’re the troll here ugly matt. At least you’re uglier than a troll.

          • Dr Sun

            Barak why dont you just change your name back to POS it suited you better.

          • Barack Obama

            awwwwww i’m sorry did i make you mad by calling your boyfriend ugly?

          • Guang Xiang

            damn man, did you just came out of elementary school?

          • Barack Obama

            no i just know those two like to constantly jerk each other off online. i guess you complete that circle? the guy called me POS he must be mad i was rubbing it in.

          • Zappa Frank

            Wow….”you are ugly”, good reply. I guess it’s a kindergarten level now.

          • Barack Obama

            Oh look another boyfriend coming to the rescue. yeah so what? he’s ugly and annoying and talks a lot of shit so i talk shit back and let him know. which one are you in the pic? the fat one?

          • Zappa Frank

            regardless of our position i think we can do better than”he’s ugly” and “he’s your boyfriend”. besides where is your picture? we would be pleased to see your extreme beauty

  • 白色纯棉小裤裤

    Your logic. The only time you’ll see litter like that in white countries is during a strike/festival.

    Deny, deny,deny.

    You forgot to add riot parade and party. But even with all those added to you argument you still FAIL.

  • Nephilim

    2 Billion Chinese men and still cannot come up with 11 players? Give some credit to Japan for Heaven sake. They have a great team and plus a great civic sense

    • Kai

      Did you not read the Chinese comments giving Japan some credit?

      Give some credit to China for Heaven’s sake?

      • Nephilim

        I don’t have time to read other people’s thoughts’ and still wont give any credit. I am an Asian but glad i am not Chinese.

        • Kai

          You mean you didn’t read the article you are commenting on? Completely missing the point of this site?

          I’m glad you’re proud of your prejudice but you shouldn’t be so proud of being willfully ignorant.

          • Nephilim

            You asked me did i “read Chinese comments giving Japan some credit”, i said not but now i did. But i read the article before i commented. It was my honest opinion

          • Kai

            The article itself is Chinese media made of Chinese people “giving the Japanese some credit”.

          • Nephilim

            but you guys should come up with a soccer team next world cup. have a nice day

          • Kai

            Who are “you guys”? My team let a goal in in the last three seconds of the game last night. Anyway, next time don’t be in such a hurry to be an ass.

          • doraemon1971

            Which is your team Kai? I support the Belgians… The Chilean team is just loosing from the Dutch.

          • Kai

            I’m from the States so my team would by default be the US Mutant Ninja Turtles. That said, I don’t normally follow football so I don’t really care who wins. I more or less root for the underdog in every game and enjoy it for what it is. I’m surprised I’ve basically stayed up to watch almost every game since the World Cup started!

          • Dr Sun

            Seeing as my team is out, I’m hoping the USA win it, that will surprise everyone and possibly the “beautiful game” will surpass all the other sports in the US.
            Then after a few year RUGBY !

          • Kai

            Your team is England, right? If so, I felt really bad for Rooney.

            The Netherlands vs. Mexico game just ended and I feel kinda bad for the Mexicans.

            Doubt soccer will surpass other sports in the US. They’d probably have to introduce commercial breaks and some element of instant gratification for Americans.

          • Nephilim

            If you don’t like what i say and you are not Chinese then move along.

          • Kai

            Nah, I prefer to comment on what you say just like you prefer to comment on this site as opposed to “moving along” when you don’t like what you see here.

          • Nephilim

            I forgot you are from Shanghai so obviously you are offended! Take it easy mate, the truth is the truth. China dont’ have a good soccer team! It hurts but just take it like a man

          • Nephilim

            Like i said 2 billion people and cannot come up with 11 players, its something to think about

          • Nephilim

            I didn’t’ see any Chinese men team in this Fifa world cup

          • Kai

            Holy crap, dude, you just made 4 responses to a single comment of mine all saying basically the same trollish crap. I tried really hard to give you the benefit of the doubt and am even being accussed of being some Tokyo assemblyman because of you. Laters.

        • wnsk

          I’m glad you aren’t either. You don’t make any goddamn sense. :]

          • Nephilim

            Appreciate for your interest in my original comment. If it does not make sense to you, i have other people to consider my opinion. Take a hike or learn some football

    • We have a great foot ball team with great supporters and a “stupidest name” and a stupidest ministration with a stupidest PM, so what?

      It is not your business, please NO WORRIES to anything about credit regarding us.
      I will say so when I think we can have more credit than what we have got, so LET IT ALONE thanks.

      And heaven is, usually nothing to do with us, so it’s not going to be any sake with an affair regarding Japan.

      • Nephilim

        I am a Naga, Indian btw not Chinese :) Chinese have so many people but cannot come up with 11 men to play soccer.

        • Zappa Frank

          ehmm.. and where is the indian soccer team? doesn’t seem india has so many men less than china.

          • Barack Obama

            yeah india has 39 billion curry crotches and they only won 6 medals in the olympics whereas little britain won a lot more! how pathetic :( and the english have a great hygienic sense and don’t smell like what they had for lunch all day. gotta give it up for britain!

          • Nephilim

            WAIT and WATCH! Will knock China out easily in thee couple of years

          • Nephilim

            Sports men/women from North East India will make up most of the sports teams from India soon. I am from North East India, i look mongoloid, but very much Indian. Womens boxing Mary Kom is from the region. We are less in number but will show some action. Jai Hind

          • Nephilim

            Oh and i forgot to mention, we are majority Christian states. My state, Nagaland comprise of about 99% christians. The most baptist christian state in the world. Now we are taking, who can be against us, when God, Jehovah is with His children. China wants to crack down the north east of India but we will negotiate and bring peace between India and China

          • Barack Obama

            99% christian, is that something to be proud of?

          • Nephilim

            Yes, that is something to be proud of. India has billions of hindus, and muslims, and China with buddhism. We are in the middle but no one can change our faith

          • Nephilim

            Obama’s father is muslim but i think he is Christian by faith

          • Nephilim

            Yeah, caught in the middle, like the rush of the thunder!

      • Nephilim

        Next time read properly and reply. God Bless

        • Vice versa.
          As you don’t read my text ANY PROPERLY.
          What is a bless of God going to do with me, you disgusting hate speaker with no English skill.

          • Nephilim

            I am from NAGALAND, India. We speak english here, and we beat Japanese during the Battle of Kohima.

          • Nephilim

            Remember WWII history, yes i’m talking about the BATTLE OF KOHIMA, and BATTLE OF IMPHAL. We resisted your army, and stopped the Indo-Japan war. Japanese soldiers were so helpless and they gave up, no food, but my people gave them food water and shelter.

          • Nephilim

            HEY OLD LADY, KEEP QUIET! I had enough of you

          • Barack Obama

            that’s very rude and not very christianly of you. :( I find michiko a very pleasant lady.

          • Nephilim

            Hey i am a fighter and a hunter by blood, but my love for God is there. He will forgive, Watch out!

          • Nephilim

            Boooo China!!!!!

          • Nephilim

            2 billion people and not even a soccer team!!! Wow

          • Nephilim

            Small stature?

          • Nephilim

            too small physic, and timid? a bit huh

          • Barack Obama

            Hi Michiko, don’t waste your time with that wild primitive ogre. I think you are a lovely lady.

    • Barack Obama

      Since when did china have 2 billion men? you are a moron. Tell us what you are then if you are so proud of your race.

      • Nephilim

        It’s my wish to say what i want. You keep your words with you and i will keep my sword sharp

        • Barack Obama

          keep hating

          • Nephilim

            Hating? There are already 2 billion Chinese and probably more abroad. There is no reason for me to hate, too many people so just defend what i got. It takes guts and boldness to defend so many people from attacking..Move on

          • Nephilim

            Rocking to “Caught in the middle – by Dio”

          • Barack Obama

            well if you are a christian aren’t you supposed to turn the other cheek? maybe turn open your butt cheeks and let them in? or are you an infidel that goes against dogma, in which case…well you know.

      • Zappa Frank
        • Barack Obama
          • Zappa Frank

            ridicule is that you got offended by my help. i was helping you for your obvious misunderstanding. Evidently even superior genes take a vacation every now and then…

          • Barack Obama

            oh ok misunderstanding then. also please don’t misunderstand i am not trying to say who is better than who, just combating scientific misinformation.

  • Warren Lauzon

    One of the main complaints about mainland Chinese in both Hong Kong and Taiwan is that they are “trash monsters” – they have no concept of not littering.

  • Eileithyia

    I have been to both China and Japan. In my experience. Japanese are much nicer than Chinese and Japan’s street is much cleaner too.

  • tonkotsu

    When I travel abroad, i often see mainlanders tossing trash on the street, subways, and spitting everywhere, even on buildings and doors. Any time i try to inform, confront or stop them, i’m met with a barrage of verbal nonsense.

    Sometimes, it’s not possible to change people.

  • 5,000 years of uncivilization

    I love Qingdao but sometimes it seems like a dump. Many people don’t know how to use a trash bin. I assume they don’t really like China since they don’t care about the environment. What kind of future will China have? Japan is so clean but what happened to China? Why can’t China be as clean as Japan?

    • 5,000 years of uncivilization

      How bad does it have to get before anyone starts to do anything about it? I got filthy neighbors who routinely toss their rubbish out of their windows into the courtyard. Don’t they have any sense of shame?

  • Pieter

    Hong Kong, Taiwan and Singapore are all pretty clean. So I think it is communistic instead of cultural.

    • bang2tang

      They should applied Criminal law of Singapore which give you fine for littering. But it will be hard since mainland is so big + 1,3B people.

  • Dante

    I dispose of my litter here in Xiamen, but I don’t make an effort to tell any locals to do so or pick up anyone else’s litter. Like you say “What can you Do?”
    I occasionally go to McDonalds for a morning breakfast on the way to work and sometimes I see people putting their empty packaging in the bin. Most is left on the tables.

  • David

    Well, I for one appreciate you leaving behind the world of observing and contribute to our discussions. (it only took me 6 months of reading before I did that I don’t know how you held off for so long). Keep it up.

  • We, me and my friends are ordinary Japanese citizens, those who are seeking brotherly relationship with neighboring people to take back while it is not easy.
    Unfortunately, so far I’m the only one who’s able to post in English.

    I like to make it clear with one thing most important.
    Anyone who denigrates Chinese or Korean people IN INTENT to take side of Japan, or IN REGARDS to Japan, we are very certain that we look at such a foreigner to be our enemy.

    Denigrating Chinese and Korean people REFERRING to Japan or COMPARING with Japan is not anything what pleases us at all.
    Likewise this kind of deed is bothering what we head for.
    We take such insult to be one that meant for the Japanese too.

    You will be our enemy when you mock or defame Chinese or Korean people in DEFENDING Japan, actually not any defending.

    I will tolerate those creepy w eeaboos only while they don’t bother my aim above, otherwise those guys are our enemies opposing against all the peace loving Japanese.

    Any Japanese against me, come talking to me, let’s have a deal in our language.

    • bang2tang

      such kind heart, how about silly neighbors who mock japan?

      • There’s no SILLY neighbor we have.

        There are people who have been hurt by the deed of some insensitive Japanese.
        Some politician, and right wingers.

        They have all reasons in getting angry, so they may protest against it, or criticize those Japanese.
        They don’t have to do it if there were no Japanese misbehaving.
        Sometimes they may have difficulty even in getting in touch with ordinary Japanese, but it is what some Japanese caused and keeps causing.
        Sometimes I can get a reply from Korean people, also I can get more replies from Chinese people.
        Meanwhile, enormous amount of Japanese Netouyo garbages are usually not going to come to Foreign web.
        So there’s still a hope, when those w eeaboos are not going to delude Chinese and Korean people by speaking like Japanese.
        As Chinese and Korean people often mistake a w eeaboo to be real Japanese.
        They are true enemies of Japan.
        They know they may lose nothing themselves being concerned with such obstruction while we are due to the serious loss in friendship and trust.

        • doraemon1971

          Sorry for my earlier bantering towards Japanese. It’s nice to hear there are some japanese people thinking likewise.

          • No worries, I have no memory that you are concerned with something like that.

        • whuddyasack

          Hi Michiko, it’s been a long time since I’ve last talked to you. I often feel the same way, a racial insult against the Japanese is more or less an insult against me. Just wanted to let you know that many Chinese do know and understand. They are not a monolithic entity. And through you, I think many do come to understand Japan a little bit better. That it too is a country with varying opinions, and not one full of nightmares. I know this well.

          I think the more educated ones will realize that there are many Japanese who think like you, with an open mind and you are not alone:

          http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-06-20/in-japan-men-need-to-lean-in-further#comment-1448234413

          And yes, most ordinary Chinese think that the barbaric nationalists in China who want war and blood are crazy, uneducated people.

          I am sorry that your experience on this website has not been pleasant. I will admit, I feel the same way here sometimes when some people do nothing but bash China and the Chinese. It can be uncomfortable.

    • bang2tang

      Would you come to this article and verify “the fact” of whale meat in japan from wrle ?
      http://www.japancrush.com/2014/stories/dog-meat-festival-dispute-sees-netizens-side-with-china.html#comment-1453989829

      • Michiko

        Ah, sorry, the web you refer to has banned me out few months ago like other Japanese related webs have ever done.
        Actually, those “Japanese related webs” don’t like a Japanese native poster to post on their web.
        And please tell Mr wrle my hi and best regards, he’s a sincere Korean man, reliable, I used to make his reply to my blog article before.
        And I leave this account for a while, so bye now.

        • bang2tang

          what? weird. I think japancrush is heaven of trolls …

  • You must be the Chinese man who used to talk about your son preferring Doraemon song?
    Glad to see you again, and appreciate for your cheer to the team.
    Next game will be with Columbia, seems to be very strong.

    I’m going to be happy enough when the team is succeeding in earning more friendship.

    As for the name of the team, it is called “Samurai Blue”, and this is what I think of most stupid lol.
    As emphasizing “Samurai spirit” is what imperial Japan used to do when they had to make “Japanese soldiers mostly composed of farmers” fight against foreign countries.
    While most of the Japanese only have farmer ancestors, makes no sense.
    Bushi class was a class privileged, so really few.
    Also this “spirit” may remind neighboring people of bad memories regarding the war.
    As Japanese military mostly composed of farmers was somehow portraying “Samurai spirit” was real.
    So this name had to be avoided for a name of the team.

    In due course, there might have been no or few players with “real Samurai ancestors” in the foot ball team.
    Furthermore, basically, Samurai spirit kind of B S was created for an excuse of Bushi class not farming.
    Bushido learning=so-called Samurai spirit was meant for “anytime ready to pleasantly die in front of the boss”.
    Which is just stupid.

    Likewise, “Samurai” is rather an expression that Western people prefer, I think maybe this “sound” is matched to their preference.
    But we don’t usually take this expression so much.
    Sometimes do use it but this is an expression rather…I have no idea how I can explain.
    It is Bushi first when we usually refer to it.
    Just I feel that a word “Samurai” is not anything that we own anymore, as it became a tool for Western people already.

    So it makes me uncomfortable when it is a name of the national foot ball team lol.
    Sorry that my explanation takes a long term.

    • doraemon1971

      I liked to read it. And no i’m not Chinese but you are right. I chose Doraemon as my nickname as both my kids adore the Doraemon cartoons. I have a rare dual language version of the comic books ( chinese / english ) so i can read it with them. I’m a native Belgian married to a Chinese girl and have 2 mixed chinese / belgian kids

      • Ah, I never knew, sorry I just thought you are Chinese.
        Dual version comic of Doraemon, I never knew such a book is out there.
        Glad to hear about your family, and I thank your wife for giving her children no prejudice to Japan.

        • doraemon1971

          My son eve sings the original japanese intro from Doraemon. The only japanese words he knows.

          • Yes it might be what I translated before, good to hear that a Japanese song is loved on abroad.
            Anyway, I’m leaving this web as here is a place not so civilized where a sexual harassment is let alone.
            As the mods so far seem to be ignoring my complaint for it.
            I have no reason to bear with such.
            Thank you for talking to me again.

          • Kai

            You sent us an email accusing Nephilim of “sexually harrassing” you by calling you an “old lady”. I replied to you saying that’s not sexual harassment. Disagreeing with your complaint because the offense doesn’t violate our comment policy is not us “ignoring” your complaint.

            You don’t have to “bear” it, but it is unfair of you to misrepresent the situation and what we mods have done.

          • doraemon1971

            Have to give my vote to Kai on this one as i got talking to another Mod. Like i said in another message which may or may not have been evaluated by the Mod’s … Don’t get exited because of someone annoying. He’ll get him self banned soon

          • No, it’s definitely a sexual insult.
            You are the same kind of * a stard with the Tokyo assembly memeber who has recently attacked a female member.
            Practically, your web has no such COMMENT POLICY.
            I have nothing to do with you anymore,
            I JUST NEED AN ANSWER from female mod Christina.
            Just Call her, chap chap.
            Look, I show you a photo of a man who’s the same kind with you.

          • Kai

            Calling you and “old lady” is a “sexual insult”? I’m the “same kind of bastard” as some Tokyo assembly member I’m not familiar with?

            We have a comment policy, but we don’t interpret being called an “old lady” as “sexual harassment”.

            I’ll draw @x3snickerdoodles:disqus ‘s attention to your complaints and see if she’ll agree with you. Otherwise, you’re basically attacking me because I disagree with your interpretation of “sexual harassment” and won’t do what you’ve impolitely demanded of me.

  • Apothis

    I was simply pointing out a supporting example to the article of which most of the comments seem to be in agreement with. And my wife is also in agreement with my comment which is one of the many reasons (her honesty) why I love her dearly.

  • Nephilim

    Perhaps you should also consider thinking about human rights, animal abuse, eating human babies, no sense of humanity etc. I will think about what you said, there are numerous rape cases indeed. Especially we mongoloid Indians face the worst, my own grandmother and her friends was chased down by Indian Army but she survived in the jungle. Many villages were burn down. Women from north east india were raped inside the Churches and left to die. This happened not long ago as matter of fact, but it is the past and decided we forgive and move on. Moreover, being christians we do that. Dont’ talk to me about rape, my people have seen it in reality and by the majority. We are in the middle, China, India, Bangladesh, and Burma. Read ‘battle of Kohima’. Many wars took place recently too. We will join sports in the coming future and trash China anyway.

    • doraemon1971

      I’m reading it but it were not only the Indians that were defending there. The Brittish were there too. So honestly you shouldn’t say that you beat them on your own.

  • Nephilim

    Hey it is my wish and this conversation does not belong to any one, including you! So, learn to take the hit

  • bujiebuke

    Generation of who? Are you talking about your average finger up the nose Americans or arrogant Brits who still think they own the world? The Iris Chang book was well received, but Unit 731 is a subject that is still on the fringe in the west. I have yet come across a single person in North America that knows about it, and when I try to explain to them the historical context, their typical response is, “nope nope nope, the Nazi’s were the bad guys, duh”.

    Most people in the states do not know the roles China and Japan played in WWII. They easily get confused that China was America’s ally at that time. It’s not surprising considering many Americans cannot point the location of their own country on a map.

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