Map of Japan with Mushroom Clouds, Chinese Netizen Reactions

Mushroom cloud.

From NetEase:

Chongqing Newspaper Published Map of Japan with Mushroom Clouds, Japanese Plan to Lodge Protest

Global Times online report — Japan’s Sankei Shimbun reported on July 8th that China’s Chongqing Youth Daily had recently published in its newspaper a map of Japan with atomic bomb mushroom clouds, inciting Japanese resentment. Japanese Foreign Minister Fumio Kishida said it was “intolerable”, and will lodge a protest with the Chinese.

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Sankei Shimbun said, with regards to the Chongqing publication Chongqing Youth Daily publishing a map of Japan with the mushroom cloud of nuclear explosions over the locations of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japanese Foreign Minister Fumio Kishida expressed at a press conference on the 8th that he plans to lodge a protest with the Chinese. Fumio Kishida said: “This was extremely thoughtless and intolerable. This will hurt the feelings of atomic bomb explosion victims.”

Regarding the speech of the Chongqing Youth Daily, Kishida pointed out, “The article claims Japan wants a war again. This is deeply regrettable.” He believes the lifting of the prohibition on collective self-defense should not be criticized, expressing “The path of (Japan) as a peaceful country has not changed whatsoever, and we will continue to earnestly explain and diligently bring about other people’s correct understanding [of Japan’s policies].”

According to reports, Chongqing Youth Daily is primarily published/circulated in Chongqing every Monday. The publication’s article with the headline “Japan wants a war again” in the latest issue containing this illustration was protested by the Japanese Foreign Minister. This article occupied the entire A04 page, and specifically used Chinese and English to indicate Hiroshima and Nagasaki. On the A05 page of the same issue, the newspaper criticized Japan’s lifting of the prohibition on collective self-defense, and published an editorial titled “Have we been too friendly/nice to Japan in the past?”

77 years ago on July 7th, Japanese imperialism started the “Lugou Bridge Incident“, and launched a long-plotted criminal war of invasion in an attempt to annex China. On the 7th, Chinese [Communist] Party and government leaders at the Lugou Bridge Chinese War of Resistance Against Japan Memorial held a ceremony observing the 77th anniversary of the outbreak of the War of Resistance. However, in response to China’s memorial of the War of Resistance, the Japanese government did not exhibit any introspection but instead exhibited defensiveness and justification. The Japanese Cabinet Defense Secretary even declared the China’s unbridled attempts to make an international issue out of historical problems have no benefit for regional peace and cooperation.

At the 77th anniversary of the outbreak of the War of Resistance ceremony held on July 7th, China’s President Xi Jinping emphasized: on this day nearly 70 years after the Chinese prevailed in its war of resistance against Japan and the world prevailed in its war against fascism, there are still a minority of people who disregard historical facts, disregard the tens of millions of innocent lives sacrificed in war, and go against history, repeatedly denying and even glorifying the history of invasion, destroying international trust, creating regional tensions, arousing the intense condemnations of all peace-loving people throughout the world including the Chinese people. History is history, facts are facts, and no one can change history and facts. The Chinese people who have suffered huge sacrifices will unswervingly defend the history written down in blood and lives. To anyone who wants to deny, distort, or even glorify the history of invasion, the Chinese people and the people of various countries do not agree!

(Original Title: Chongqing Youth Daily Published Map of Japan with Mushroom Clouds, Japan Plans to Lodge Protest)

Comments from NetEase:

1404844200352 [网易广东省湛江市网友]:

Support… very beautiful [or “well done”].

临沂伟哥专卖 [网易山东省潍坊市网友]:

Good, beautiful!!
Well-done!!

JustinLee1 [网易广东省梅州市手机网友]:

Has Japan considered how their words and actions hurt the feelings of the Chinese people who were victims during World War II? Talk about boasting without shame.

网易北京市手机网友 ip:103.247.*.*:

Let them protest the Americans, the mushroom cloud was caused by the Americans.

网易江西省新余市手机网友 ip:218.87.*.*:

Nuke Japan flat! Nuke Japan flat!

网易广东省东莞市手机网友 ip:58.252.*.*:

So it hurt you little devil’s feelings! What are you going to do about it?!

网易山东省淄博市手机网友(60.215.*.*):

This is going a bit too far. I also really hate the Japanese government, and really dislike this country. But those two atomic bombs killed countless children, infants, and elderly. No matter what [that should not be treated lightly].

网易河南省漯河市手机网友 ip:61.158.*.*: (responding to above)

Don’t fucking pretend to be a saint, what about when Japan killed Chinese children, infants, and elderly?

jdcn 关注 关注他的微博 jdcn [阿根廷球迷]:

👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

网易江苏省手机网友(180.99.*.*):

The Nanjing [PLA] Military District requests a battle assignment.

网易安徽省合肥市巢湖市手机网友(60.174.*.*): (responding to above)

The Jinan Military District requests a battle assignment.

大家好我系根本岸久 [网易上海市手机网友]: (responding to above)

Request a battle assignment, my ass. Hehe, just looking at this makes me laugh.

网易黑龙江省牡丹江市手机网友 ip:221.206.*.*

However many times I am ding‘d is however many copies of the paper I’ll buy. [289 upvotes at time of translation]

中国人可以说不 [懂球帝]:

A robber came to rob. The elder brother fought against the robber until his strength was exhausted. A neighbor lent a hand and fought off the robber, but before the older brother could catch his breath, the younger brother’s dagger stabbed him in the heart. — “Now I don’t have to split the house with you,” said the younger brother.

网易江苏省无锡市网友(218.90.*.*): (responding to 网易山东省淄博市手机网友 above)

The Japan of then was like the China of now, a majority of the country’s people all brainwashed into becoming crazed supporters of war, the children receiving militarism ideology education and military training from young, the government calling on young men to enthusiastically join the military, the elderly working hard to produce supplies for the front line. Women volunteered to go to the front lines to serve soldiers. Don’t say that the war was incited by just a few people, because without the entire country and society’s support, how could those few people mobilize an entire country’s power and devote everything to war? Only after the United States reformed/transformed Japan was the Japan of today realized where the majority of the people don’t care for politics and are against war. Therefore, the dead people of the old Japan do not deserve sympathy.

rhlok [网易上海市手机网友]: (responding to above)

A government and its people simply cannot be separated, because you cannot only attack that government and not harm its people, because their military is also comprised of the people, and it is these so-called innocent people who supported/provided assistance [supplies] to the Japanese military that massacred Chinese people. Without attacking their people, it is impossible to stop their actions. Constantly saying the people are innocent is laughable.

ce76120588656466a2f5fe31 [网易云南省保山市手机网友]:

“This will hurt the feelings of atomic bomb explosion victims.” What a joke! So when you guys visit the Yasukuni Shrine that enshrined Class A war criminals and willfully distort [the content of] history textbooks, have you also thought of how it would hurt the feelings of the Chinese people?

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  • Terrik

    Why is China trying so hard to lose at the PR war?

    • Harold Janson

      Oh no, China’s enemies don’t like China. Why, precisely, should China care what its enemies think?

      • Because it’s not just its enemies. It’s the whole world, sans Pakistan and a handful of other poor and irrelevant countries.

        • lacompacida

          But PRC is trying its best to make these its enemy. What’s the use stopping them. I just hope that PRC won’t wake up from its dream of PRC being invincible. That’s what brought down the Tang, Qin, and the Qing dynasty.

      • lacompacida

        Exactly. China should only worry about what its only friend, DPRK, thinks.

      • donscarletti

        Because if others didn’t think that, they wouldn’t be enemies?

    • lacompacida

      The only PR market PRC is concerned with is the one on the mainland, not even the whole China. Just the mainland.

    • Mighty曹

      China isn’t ‘trying’ at all, let alone ‘so hard’ at it.

    • AG

      Buddy never give a shit to PR. USA was a good example when it invaded Iraq under JW Bush.

  • chucky3176

    Sankei Shimbun is one of the most right wing newspapers in Japan. It’s like the pot calling the kettle black when they complain what other media is doing. Maybe they should look themselves in the mirror for once. This is the same paper that constantly prints outrageous false news articles on South Korea. For example, a few months back, they ran stories that South Koreans were engaging in what is called the “Japanese Hunting”, where groups of marauding raging gangs of Koreans are going around “hunting” Japanese people in Korea, raping them, hurting them, and killing them. That’s just one small example of how they use their media power to educate their Japanese readership who can’t get enough of it. But here’s the funny thing, none of their English language versions have any of these propaganda stories, so people who can’t read Japanese don’t have any clue as to what this paper is printing everyday. Of course the propaganda is just for Japanese consumption, and if foreigners in Japan get a hold of it, it would be embarrassing for Japan, so they decide they better not print them.

    Here are the collection of other related “news stories” on Korea, in Japan’s Sankei Shimbun that appeared in just one day alone, earlier this year (none of these stories appeared in their English language paper:

    Editorial: “We won’t let the US Troops in Japan help S.Korea, if North Korea attacks”

    http://sankei.jp.msn.com/west/west_affairs/news/140315/waf14031509060005-n1.htm

    Koreans plotted and stole curling from Japan and Koreans jealous of deep number of Japanese Olympic team.

    http://sankei.jp.msn.com/sochi2014/news/140218/soc14021807260015-n1.htm

    Arrogant Samsung behaving badly in Sochi.

    http://sankei.jp.msn.com/west/west_economy/news/140218/wec14021807010001-n1.htm

    Korean economy starting its collapse, Korea in panic as Samsung’s profit shrinks in 4th quarter last year.

    http://sankei.jp.msn.com/west/west_economy/news/140117/wec14011707000001-n1.htm

    And this last one is quite ironic, because it’s about how the Chinese internet is being controlled by Chinese propaganda (but what about Japan’s right wing media, like the Sankei?)

    http://sankei.jp.msn.com/special/topics/premium-15123-t1.htm

    Considering that the Sankei newspaper hasn’t really been a light of shining example regarding media integrity in printing the truth, do they have any right to complain about what other media are doing to fan the flames?

    • jovis

      One important distinction between the two is that Sankei Shimbun isn’t directly connected to the Japanese government; whereas, the Chongqing Youth Daily is created by the Communist Youth League. The Communist Youth League is run by the CPC,

      While it is still hypocritical of Sankei Shimbun, it isn’t surprising if any newspaper reports on what the Japanese foreign minister does about an article spewing propaganda in a paper that is the mouth piece of the CPC that is clearly designed to reinforce anti-Japanese sentiments.

      • Confucius

        Your mistake is assuming that Chinese media holds the same position in society, governance and power in mainland China as it does in the totally different politicoeconomic system in a democracy. So you compare apples with oranges and criticise apples for not having a juicy acidic taste. Probably not the best analogy… but I’m competing against the China is Japan’s ex-gf comment that is number one on this post, so not much motivation for me to try harder.

  • ex-expat

    The CCP is a fucking joke. Way to keep it classy.

  • Teacher in China

    Totally low class making that image. They should be ashamed of themselves.

    Also, I have an issue with constantly hearing “hurt the feelings of X”… is that truly what they are saying in the original language? Because in English, it makes you sound like you’re 5 years old.

    • lacompacida

      You see this “Hurting the feeling of ..” so often is because Chinese’s feeling is easily hurt. Chinese are feeble and delicate creatures that must be handled with extreme care. See how they were easily crumbled during the 1895 war ?

    • WFH

      yeah seriously…japan needs to quit saying it’s feelings were hurt by some dumb picture..

    • Kai
      • Teacher in China

        Thanks for that, Kai. It was a genuine question that I’ve meant to ask many times and never gotten around to. The answer certainly makes sense – I really wish someone would pass the message along to whoever translates for the officials because it really does make me cringe every time I hear it.

        • Kai

          Yeah, dude, me too. I gave my suspicions for why I think it persists on Quora.

          • Teacher in China

            Yep, read that too. Very informative, and I think correct.

    • Confucius

      You fail to understand the language and culture, yet feel justified in externalising your ignorance? You sound like you need to understand that most people are just as smart as you before you start assuming the worst about them, then you may understand the things you imply you want to understand.

      Clearly the translation is poor and clearly, from context and simple comprehension, the Chinese are saying that by doing X ‘you’ will damage the goodwill of the Chinese people.

      There is most likely a very strong element of ‘guanxi’ and emphasis on having social ties in the cultural background of this language. It is also more likely to be worded in that soft passive way so as not to give offence, which again is usually poorly interpreted by the US as being weak whereas the official probably is saying the equivalent of “you can set up your ADIS but we will fly our B52s wherever we want”.

      I would encourage you to assume that the Chinese mandarins are neither stupid nor children, then maybe you will have a far better chance at understanding them, if that indeed is your goal.

      • Teacher in China

        Wow, defensive much? In case you didn’t notice, the phrase in this article was uttered by a Japanese official, not a Chinese one….

  • lacompacida

    Looks like PRC is getting the people ready to start a war. PRC is such a peaceful country. Peaceful rise of PRC ?

  • Nhat Nguyen

    Humans has fought and conquered for thousands of years. Why should they stop now?When Europeans came to America. They killed all the Indian natives.
    White men killed and then claimed the country their own.
    If you look at South America there are clearly no white men.

    The Americans killed over millions of Indians.
    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/American_Indian_Holocaust

    Now let me ask you Chinese. Why you worship America so much???
    America is a republic. A republic conquers other countries.
    Rome was the first republic and they conquered whole Europe.

    Rome is USA and USA is Rome. USA is a republic and a republic has to conquer other countries to expand. ROME ARE USA!

    USA invaded Afghanistan and Iraq for oil.

    Here is more proof. Now Chinese. You still like USA??

    What if USA nuke China? One day there will be a war and USA will definitely nuke China. USA invaded Vietnam for resources too. We should not support Japan and USA democracy. It is not real.

    • hess

      China is a republic too you tool. Also, North Vietnam invaded South Vietnam and the US helped their ally, they didnt “invade Vietnam”

      • Tom

        In a republic power in the government is divided in 3 parts. China is not a republic but communism.

        Politics of the People’s Republic of China does not mean republic OMG. Vietnam is not a republic either.

        In a republic there are democracy [assembly], senate and a king [president]. Power in government are divided in 3 parts. In communism there are only 1 power in the government and there no indirect democracy.

        You need to educate yourself.

        Obama is The King of United states. The modern word for king is president. In the republic Rome the King is known as Consul.

        Here learn some politics.
        http://i.imgur.com/dRWeOEL.jpg

        • hess

          Full Definition of REPUBLIC
          1
          a (1) : a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president (2) : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government

          • Tom

            You are stupid. I just posted a picture of The Roman Republic. The first republic in the world. Read it and educate yourself. Rome also had democracy but you are probably to stupid to understand that.

          • hess

            Here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_republics#List_of_republics_by_type

            In modern usage, a republican form of government is applied loosely to any state which claims this designation.

            Read: MODERN as in now, not during ancient times.

          • Tom

            And you clearly do not understand. USA is the same Republic as Rome. But I guess you wont ever understand when you read Wikipedia.

            Wikipedia aren’t written by teachers or professors. It is written by amateurs.

            I just posted a picture from a book. Read it and educate yourself and stop reading bullshit on Wikipedia.

            North Korea is a republic. Is it really a republic??? Use your freaking head man.

          • hess

            Then read the fucking sources you numbnut

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_republics#References

          • Tom

            China is still a fucking communism your dumb ass. And I hope all Chinese people are nuked to hell by US government. China with false republic. You try to imitate real US republic. Just die you Chinese scums. To bad Japan failed at wiping your sorry ass in World War 2.

            When you say China is a republic. You are clearly a stupid Chinese that understand nothing.

          • hess

            Way to go full retard

          • Tom

            Just die you Chinese scum. Thinking China is a republic.

          • Mighty曹

            You forgot the one word that precedes ‘republic’. Anytime ‘People’s’ is inserted it denotes ‘communism’.

          • Nhat Nguyen

            Watch this. China is communism and Vietnam is communism too. And I am proud to live in a communist country like Vietnam. Just stop fooling yourself bro.

            Have a nice day and remember. There cannot exist 2 types of government in a country. It is either a republic or communism. You cannot be republic + communism at the same time.

          • nqk123

            it’s good that you like communist china. soon your country will be part of it. hope that you guy know that this person is obviously not vietnamese

          • Alex Dương

            When did he say he liked Communist China? He said he was “proud to live in a communist country like Vietnam.”

          • nqk123

            he like communist vietnam so I assume he will like communist china because soon vietnam will be part of it.

          • Alex Dương

            Are you familiar with Vietnamese history?

          • nqk123

            not really, but many people already predict vietnam is china’s crimea

          • Alex Dương

            The Vietnamese have resisted Chinese rule for over 1,000 years. The Chinese ruled Vietnam as a province almost continuously for more than 600 years. Vietnam gained its independence and remained independent for about eighty years until the Chinese came back and ruled again for another 300+ years. Almost 500 years after that, the Chinese came back for a fourth, final time.

            Now that you know this, do you still think there are many Vietnamese who want to live under Chinese-ruled Vietnam?

          • nqk123

            do they have a choice? China can use the same strategy they have been using in Tibet, Xinjiang in vietnam. with their 1.3 billion, I’m pretty sure 90 million won’t be a problem. even if they can’t take over the whole country, vietnam losing a number of territories is a guarantee

          • Alex Dương

            I think you answered your own question: Tibet and Xinjiang are parts of China and have been since the 18th Century; Vietnam hasn’t been a part of China since the 15th Century. So yes, they have a choice.

          • nqk123

            the way vietnamese’s government handle china right now, I wouldn’t be too surprise if it get occupy again

          • MonkeyMouth

            about a year ago, someone posted a youtube video of the chinese navy absolutely blasting away at some vietnamese fishermen standing on a sandbar of an atoll in dispute. who would be proud of that?

          • Alex Dương

            That would again contradict nqk123’s assertion that the Vietnamese “want” to live under Chinese rule.

          • You think Vietnam and China are communist? Aw, how cute. I suppose they must have Gini coefficients of zero, huh?

            I suppose you think British government cannot be both parliamentarian and democratic. Perhaps ice cream cannot be both cold and chocolate at the same time.

          • Myk

            Theoretically you can, since communism is not a form of government, but an economic model. The opposite, or an alternative, since there are also others, of communism is capitalism. China is a one-party dictatorship which calls itself a (peoples) republic, but the name alone doesn’t mean much. East Germany called itself a “Democratic Republic”, North Korea a “Democratic Peoples Republic”, neither of them was/is democratic.

          • ex-expat

            There is no way that guy is American, at least not a native.

          • hess

            I’m pretty sure he is Norwegian

          • mr.wiener

            Coming from a Swede that is harsh indeed.

          • hess

            Nah I just looked at his posting history

          • Germandude

            haha, so entertaining. My favorite part, because logic:

            China with false republic. You try to imitate real US republic. Just die you Chinese scums.

            lol

          • mr.wiener

            Cool your jets a little there please.
            I don’t care if you take you medication , listen to Enya or get a colonic hydration…CALM THE HELL DOWN.
            Consider this a gentle reminder.

            @hess ,please don’t stick a fork in
            this guy, he’s about done.

          • hess

            Aye aye Captain. It’s friday and I’ve finished work and got a shitload of wine to drink today, so I’ll be nice.

          • moop

            by all means, go on

          • Nhat Nguyen

            How the heck did communism become a republic?
            In Vietnam we have a president but that does not mean a republic.

            There cannot exist 2 kinds of government in a country. Either you are communism or republic. You cannot be both. Stupid Americans. Even the Vietnamese people are more educated then the white americans.

          • Tom

            I am American :(

            Yes there are stupid Americans but I cannot help it. I tried to educate that stupid person but he is stupid. So nothing I can do.

          • hess

            “How the heck did communism become a republic?” Seriously? It’s like I’m trying to discuss politics with a cat that has down syndrome.

          • David

            Communism is not a form of government. Do you understand that? Perhaps it is a language problem. Communism is an economic model. You can CERTAINLY have a Republic that is also communistic, socialistic or capitalistic.

        • David

          Lets clarify: Communism is an economic model, Republicanism is a political model. Not the same thing.

        • donscarletti

          China does not claim to implement communism. China implements the Socialist Market Model (社会主义市场经济) and Socialism with Chinese Characterists (中国特色社会主义).

          China is a Republic. It has the National People’s Congress, which is the legislative assembly. The executive branch is made up of the State Council, which is like the Cabinet in western governments. You are mistaken about the “senate” being one of the three powers. Senate is actually part of the legislative branch (congress or parliment). China has a unicameral system, which is similar to many European Democratic republics. The third power is actually “judicial”, which is the court system, which China has too.

          A republic and a democracy are not the same thing. You can have democratic non-republics (such as UK, Spain, Denmark, Sweden, Japan, Malaysia) or non-democratic republics (Rome, Athens, pre 14th Ammendment United States, etc).

          China is a republic, mostly because it has no Emperor and power is held by the government and constitution and it is the government and its laws that has the power to appoint leaders, rather than these powers being vested in a person with special rights.

          What is different is merely the rules regarding how an individual may participate in this process. This just makes it less democratic, not less of a republic.

    • “If you look at South America there are clearly no white men.”

      Uh…there are about 176 million white people in South America. I’m not sure why you’re specifically fixated on white men, but I’m guessing about half of them are men––i.e., 88 million.

      Let me give you a list of some other “republics”:

      Czech Republic
      Slovak Republic
      Republic of Korea
      Republic of China
      Republic of Macedonia
      People’s Republic of China
      Socialist Republic of Vietnam

      Yep…a terrifying list.

    • Germandude

      Amazing. History, politics and logic explained in 3 videos and 10-15 lines of text. Thanks @disqus_8VrpduTPMv:disqus for saving me to research on the matter. I can go back now on reading celebrity news.

      • MonkeyMouth

        haha….thats funny. but dont forget that in truth, america invaded afghanistan for opium, and the pipline

    • donscarletti

      “If you look at South America there are clearly no white men.”

      Really? Watched the football recently?

      What race would you catagorise Lionel Messi for example?

      Or you could look at the rest of the Argentine team as well. Since their country is 97% white on the latest census, the fact that they have 11 whites on the field is not an indication of racism in the team selection.

      Uraguay is 90% white. Brazil is half white, as is Venezuala. You may be interested to know that they add up to about half of the continent’s total population.

    • moop

      my favorite conquering republic was the republic of the mongol horde…. :/

  • masonman

    I wonder if in the year 3014 China will still be talking about WWII like it happened last week.

    • DavidisDawei

      Probably be onto WWIV or WWV by then, if we make it past WWIII, coming soon to a country near you!

      • Mighty曹

        Human would have faced extinction by then.

        • Who says WWIV or WWV will be fought by humans?

          Prepare for the impending cockroach world wars…

        • DavidisDawei

          The Malthusian Theory claims populations are weeded out by war, disease, famine, etc and that the Earth only has a capacity for about 9 billion people.

          There are many out there claiming the Elite want to eliminate all but a few hundred million from the planet; they just aren’t needed in their opinion.

          Some of these “kooks” believe a nuclear war is winnable and survivable and that a US first strike is the best option.

          • Mighty曹

            Then there are the other ‘kooks’ who are devoting their time and resource to build doomsday shelters. I like the idea of surviving a nuclear holocaust but….. would I want to be among the few survivors to emerge into a new world that’s polluted with radiation and lack of food? Next comes ‘Survival of the fittest’ battle among the survivors. That’s just to name a few and the start.

          • DavidisDawei

            I agree with you. That would be a bummer.

      • Teacher in China

        I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.Albert Einstein

        • DavidisDawei

          That is a great quote from Einstein saying rocks will be used in WWIV
          or maybe post WWIII will have Kevin Costner riding on as “The Postman” – haha

    • Irvin

      I don’t see why not, people are still talking about Jesus even after all this time.

      • Mighty曹

        Good point.

      • Zappa Frank

        difference is that one is a religion. Chinese are making a religion of feeling hurt.

        • Irvin

          Jesus die for our sins, I rest my case.

      • Probotector

        How many people has Jesus been claimed to have raped and murdered? The point is, Jesus’ message, whether you believe in it/Him or not is widely viewed as a message that is positive, and so is worth spreading and remembering. Banging on about how you hate a people you’ve never met because you were told to hate them by some old farts and commie hacks is not worth remembering.

    • Confucius

      In the UK we talk about WWI like it was yesterday. In Australia every year there is a pilgrimage to Gallipoli. In the US July 4th is still celebrated every year. What makes you think that for a country that was occupied and brutalised during WW2 and is being thumbed at by the aggressors in that war will forget about it?

      • Probotector

        “In the UK we talk about WWI like it was yesterday.”

        No we don’t. People normally only ever think about it in the morning on November 11th.

        In any case, the analogies you use are flawed. November 11th, the Gallipoli visit and 4th July are celebrations of peace, freedom and remembrance of the dead, and they only occur once a year. Chinese bringing up the Second Sino-Japanese War, on the other hand, is all about hate, revenge and victimhood, and occurs every single day.

        • Confucius

          Yes, and why do you think that is?

          (You essentially agreed with my other point that we still remember WW2, WW1 and all the way back to Independence Day even though we were the victors, so I won’t labour the semantic and pedantic arguments that litter Internet forums)

          • Probotector

            I suppose it’s because Chinese people on the whole see hatred and anger as a strength, combined with a culture of the incessant need of saving face.

            I didn’t agree with you about remembering the wars. No British person acts like the First World War happened yesterday, most people don’t even care. I don’t know where that supposition came from.

            A westerner commemorating a war once a year solely for the purposes of remembrance and celebration of freedom is not the same as the Chinese commemorating a war constantly, on a daily basis, partly for the purposes of remembrance and celebration of freedom, but mostly to galvanise the people to hate and ridicule Japan.

  • Mighty曹

    This is in bad taste but I admit I giggled when I looked at the map.

  • arise

    china is like the ex-gf that never let anything go and still talking about it like it’s relevant.

    • Irvin

      It only becomes irrelevant when people don’t care, and people certainly still do.

    • mr.wiener

      OK….but none of my ex-gfs had to forgive me for the rape of Nanjing.

    • MonkeyMouth

      i knew a guy who broke up with his gf…what did she do? tear up his passport and actually hung his dog from the shower rod. t.r.u.e story

      • Probotector

        Why are some Chinese so angry, and so vindictive in their need to save face?

        • MonkeyMouth

          face is all they got, man…. uggh….sigh…. hence all the spite and lack of forgiveness- example- this article

  • Nhat Nguyen

    • Alex Dương

      While I agree with that piece’s commentary against modern China and the CCP, you might want to be a bit careful referring to it approvingly. Toward the middle, Chris Wu seems to express an opinion that is unabashedly irredentist; he faults the CCP for willingly reducing Chinese territory. That would suggest that in the dispute with Vietnam, despite his hatred of the CCP, he is absolutely not supportive of Vietnamese claims to the Paracels and the Spratlys.

      • ninxay

        China should leave the Spratlys and Paracels alone. Those islands are within Vietnam’s maritime borders. The Spratlys should be decided amongst ASEAN members whose borders are actually near those islands, unlike China which relies on some ancient map to proclaim its sovereignty there.

        China might have a hell of a time backtracking from all this though. If they keep pushing hard, relations with next-door neighbours will go down the drain and the US and Western powers could get drawn in. If they drop the claims, the Party will be seen as weak and eager to capitulate to foreign interests. It’s a no-win situation.

        • Alex Dương

          Those islands are within Vietnam’s maritime borders.

          They are also within China’s maritime borders.

          The Spratlys should be decided amongst ASEAN members whose borders are
          actually near those islands, unlike China which relies on some ancient
          map to proclaim its sovereignty there.

          At least two of those ASEAN members, the Philippines and Malaysia, did not begin to claim the islands until 1978. By contrast, both China and France (acting on behalf of Vietnam) have been involved in the dispute since the 1930s. Not coincidentally, the largest of the disputed Spratly Islands is actually controlled by Taiwan because Chinese claims to the Spratlys predate the founding of the PRC.

  • NightKnight

    Japanese made a big mistake during the WWII which was invading China , Chinese are very proud people, they will get their revenge eventually, even after a hundred years.

    The West should see China as the Israel of the East Asia, of course, with a larger land area and population, but with the same passion and determination to destroy the enemy!

    • KamikaziPilot

      Oh I agree with the big mistake part. They tried to become an imperialist power and they paid for it dearly. However, I disagree with the rest of your post. Generally speaking, I don’t think Chinese are proud of being Chinese, but they like to pretend to be, hence always using nationalism to cover up their insecurities. The only revenge they’ll get is annihilating some Toyotas and Panasonic rice cookers or maybe producing more smog to blow over to Japan. There’s no way China will be seen like Israel to the West.

      • Mighty曹

        You’re on to something here.

      • vincent_t

        I would say back then, before the age of Western came to far east, Chinese was proud of being Chinese. They considered themselves as the central of the world, with superiority in civilization and military power, while most of the other known nations (to Chinese) like Thai, Malay,Burma, Vietnam, Korea, Japan kowtow to them and even sent scholar and diplomat to China to learn and to seek protection. They were the “superpower” before the rise of the West.

        It was only after the West came to Far East that the whole bubble busted. The Chinese refused to admit that they were weak in the modern world, have themselves invaded, humiliated, divided and gone through long term instability and huge diaspora that no other nation experienced before.

        I am sick to my stomach seeing the stupid ultra-nationalist comments, but i perfectly understand why a lot of Chinese are eager for a strong China. Just imagine if US fall 1 day, invaded and divided by other nations including Brazil, Russia, China and go through the humiliation and diaspora like China did. What would American crave for then?

        I find your comment always agreeable but unfortunately not this 1. China will not be seen like Israel or the West, IMO it will be beyond Israel and the West. Of coz not in the near future, but there is something in this Chinese, could be their aggressiveness, or their diligence, or the sense of insecurity that drive them to strive harder than so many other nations. It will be a helluva long and tough journey for China, especially with CCP standing in the way, but if China manage to go through it, it will return to be a superpower, and not just military and economy, but very likely culture as well.

        A lot of us here just fail or refuse to admit that the Chinese are striving and work harder, smarter than us, and thinking that with the glory pass of West civilization the Chinese will not grow to be another West. Well, then I’d say we are just doing what the Chinese did back a few hundred years ago.

        • KamikaziPilot

          Well Chinese at one point did think themselves superior, so much that they didn’t feel the need to learn from other cultures but obviously they fell behind and suffered because of it. I don’t know why many say China was a “superpower”. China was never a global superpower like the US is today, or Britain was in the 19th century or even Russia during the Cold War. More like a regional power.

          Well yes after the Western powers arrived China went downhill, that’s because before that there was limited contact with the rest of the world, so less competition. Kind of like a sports team that plays a weak schedule but when they play better teams it shows how strong or weak they really are.

          I realize Chinese want to be a strong nation but I’m just saying they have a long way to go. The first step is losing the inferiority complex that plagues many of them. Second is learning how to relate to other countries and cultures and realize what really gains the respect and admiration of others.

          Well I’ll just agree to disagree regarding your comparison between China and Israel and while I can’t predict the future, I seriously doubt China will be a superpower anytime in either of our lifetimes. Beyond that time period is pretty hard to predict, although nothing lasts forever. The US won’t be dominant forever, and eventually China may be a superpower, but that’s far, far in the future, if ever. Let me tell you something, when the day comes where a Chinese man can walk into a business meeting with 20 colleagues from different countries and races and everyone already at the meeting automatically thinks the Chinese guy is the boss, that’s when I’ll say China is on the right track.

          • vincent_t

            Well we both agree it is a long way to go, no doubt about that.
            BTW, looking at so many Chinese firms running amok buying companies around the world, I’d say the case Chinese guy taken as boss automatically is likely to happen sooner than we thought, if not already happening. I am cool with that so long they don’t run around buying weapons for 3rd Sino-Japanese war.

          • KamikaziPilot

            I don’t think the Chinese guy being seen as the boss is automatic at all, unless you’re dealing with Africa or maybe South American countries. True, China is more influential that 20 or even 10 years ago, but can they keep up the pace? After all everything is relative, if you get stronger but your adversaries also get stronger, you are still behind. Actually I’m rooting for China since I don’t like one country to be the absolute superpower in the world. Too much abuse of power if it’s like that. Maybe one day, Asia can form an Asian Union, like the EU or African Union. As of right now too much animosity for that to even be a pipe dream.

      • NightKnight

        China used to be the absolute center of East Asia, and they will get back there eventually, to be No.1 is the mindset deep rooted in Chinese culture. don’t judge China based on the recent 100 years, which was the lowest point of Chinese civilization, if you are familiar with the history of China, you would understand Chinese better, you either become part of China or kowtow to the Great China in East Asia, otherwise, China would f*** you up.

        • moop

          ” you either become part of China or kowtow to the Great China in East Asia, otherwise, China would f*** you up.“

          a lot of people do understand this, which is why many believe china’s peaceful rise is bullshit, it is easy to be peaceful when you have a pitchfork and everyone else has guns. china’s previous ways of doing things will not work, as any rational person can see from the results of their abysmal foreign policy. they continue to be utter failures in foriegn policy, and luckily for them the US keeps shooting themselves in the foot and unable to fully capitalize on it.

        • Kai

          While I’m bullish on China’s future…

          “past performance is not an indicator of future results”.

          China will be much more powerful by not theatening to fuck anyone up.

        • KamikaziPilot

          Well due to it’s huge landmass and population of course China will always be influential in Asia and to an extent the world. Yes they were the dominant power in Asia, but never globally, and that was a different time, before the world became much more integrated. Now they have to compete with other states in a global, highly interconnected world.

          That said, I think I’ll kowtow to the Great China, for now, as I don’t want China to fuck me up, since that would really, really hurt. Can I borrow some knee pads though, if there’s one thing I hate it’s bruised knees.

        • Confucius

          While I agree with what you said to some extent, I think the Chinese will probably dominate culturally rather than from having an overwhelming military or force projection the way we understand what a superpower like the US dominates. The Chinese are not warlike and prefer practicality over ideology, and most of all they are heavily influenced by Buddhism. Compare this to the cultures that grew up with a monotheistic ‘there will be no other God before me’ cultures, the Chinese are a lot more like the Hindus. They’ll rather adapt than impose (I’m talking about the culture not the CCP) and keep to themselves rather than colonise.

    • Alex Dương

      IMO, the mistake was not using divide and conquer; as a specific example of this, the Japanese did a very poor job of using Chinese to fight Chinese. By contrast, the Mongols and the Manchus did this successfully, and both conquered all of China.

      • NightKnight

        Mongols and Manchus did it successfully to become part of China.

        • Alex Dương

          Both sinicized themselves over the course of their respective rules (the Manchus to a much greater extent), but Yuan and Qing are two of the “conquest dynasties.”

        • vincent_t

          mayb that is why they collapsed eventually

    • nqk123

      proud people? not really, crazy and delusional people are more like it.

    • FYIADragoon

      So the Chinese are victims who became the very thing that oppressed them and are now systematically going about doing the exact same things to others?

  • Murasaki

    Way to project soft power, the Communist Party, you’re a real class act. いつもこんなにひどくて! むかつく. Going this far is both rage-inducing and embarrassing.

    And judging by the reactions of the Chinese, I finally understand now. No matter what Japan does, they’d still want to sink the islands and rape all the women, in 10, 20, or 100 years from now.

    • Irvin

      I blame all the superior japanese AV, if we didn’t wanted to rape your women then, we certainly do now. ;)

      • Murasaki

        從這裡開始, 不要跟我說話. (Don’t talk to me from now on)

        • Irvin

          Did you just said “不要” to me? can you say it in japanese? ;)

          • Murasaki

            Did you just subtly admit to wanting to be a rapist?
            你應該去看心理醫生來解決你的問題. (You should consult a psychiatrist to solve your issues.)

            Edit: you can take out the “wanting to” in the above sentence.

          • Mighty曹

            LOOL!

          • Irvin

            Why are you so interested in me? can you say yamede again? ;)

          • Murasaki

            Ohh I see. That “stop it” just rolls off of your tongue eh? You must say it on a daily basis, in which case, I’m sorry to hear that. It must be really hard for you to be such a victim all the time. I hope you can find the strength to leave this abusive relationship and feel loved again.

            Man, you really do need professional help.

          • Irvin

            Are you trying to tell me you’re a professional and wanna give me some love again? I don’t mind as long as you say yamede with me ;)

          • Kai

            Okay, you’ve done enough trolling against her for voicing an opinion you disagree with. Time to walk away.

          • Murasaki

            Thank you, Kai.

          • Probotector

            Are you astonished because it’s the first time someone ever said ‘no’ to you?

          • donscarletti

            Dude. That entire sentence was Chinese. How could you use the pronoun “we” before to mean Chinese and not recognise it?

            Even if Japanese did use “不要” they would certainly use it at the _end_ of the sentance, after the verb. Like “私に話さ不要” or something like that.

          • Kai

            He’s making a joke about what Japanese women say in Japanese porn.

          • Murasaki

            A mean spirited joke = insult.

          • Kai

            Yeah, it is. I didn’t say it wasn’t. I was just explaining to donscarletti what Irvin meant.

          • donscarletti

            Ah, “止めて”, “ya me te”, “亚麻铁”.

            I get it now.

  • Newspapers are not kids. Neither are adults.

  • Teacher in China

    I’m a grown-ass man, so if someone does hurt my feelings, i stfu and take it or call them an asshole. I certainly don’t say “You hurt my feelings” because, again, I’m not 5 years old.

    • MonkeyMouth

      but you say stfu’ because your feelings are hurt….

  • David

    “A robber came to rob. The elder brother fought against the robber
    until his strength was exhausted. A neighbor lent a hand and fought off
    the robber, but before the older brother could catch his breath, the
    younger brother’s dagger stabbed him in the heart. — “Now I don’t have
    to split the house with you,” said the younger brother.”

    LOL somebody knows their history. Maybe they should have mentioned both brothers were bad for the rest of the family who lived in the house.

  • Rick in China

    I like this part of the speech: “History is history, facts are facts, and no one can change history and facts.”

    Interesting. China isn’t famous for changing history and facts constantly at ALL! Or…wait, weird, we can access google again as of yesterday! Edit: Nevermind. It was a short lived reprieve it seems.

  • G in Xiamen

    It’s only a matter of time before the bombs drop on China. Glad I won’t be here for that.

    • xiaode

      Don´t need that… waste of money! Just cut the supplies of imported food and food technology… they will poison themselves to death in less then a decade…

    • David

      Who will be dropping the bombs? Not the Americans or Japanese.

  • NightKnight

    NetEase is famous for pro-western-value users, if you really want to see the reactions of the nationalists in China, you should go to those military forums, which are extremely popular in China, like tiexue, cjdby etc.

    • Kai

      Yeah, I think NetEase and the dominant community there is generally more palatable to “Western” sensibilities than a lot of other Chinese portals. It is a bit more international and cosmopolitan. That said, NetEase is still way more popular and trafficked than the likes of Tiexue.

  • G in Xiamen

    Here’s your breakfast, lunch and dinner Wumao Clown

  • vincent_t

    A fuck up reply for a fuck up reply. Shame on the guy who upvoted you too.

    • David

      It was a guest, Probably up-voted himself.

  • Probotector

    When it comes to education, surely one’s ideas are more important than one’s feelings. Perhaps if this were more recognised in China, there would be more logical discourse for cooperation and understanding.

    • Germandude

      Hey Phonebookprotector, good to see you again. Are you okay man?

    • mr.wiener

      Long time no post bro. Howzitgoin’ ?

    • Zappa Frank

      good to see you. hope you are okay…

  • Guest

    I was getting so sick and tired of this anti-Japan rhetoric that I made an exam questionnaire for my students, and one of the questions had a map of Japan with “what do you think of this place?” beneath it.

    Once the students realised it was actually Japan on the map (seriously, some of them thought it was Korea), I got some interesting responses. Yeah, there was the usual moaning about the diaoyu islands and so forth, but a number of students praised Japan’s advances in economics and technology, and said that China could learn from them. Some even said they were willing to go and live there. It seems there is hope yet.

  • donscarletti

    The analogy would work if the Chongqing Youth Daily’s readership were around back then.

  • mr.wiener

    If we want to continue the analogy…
    The ex sex victim then joined a crazy political cult and spent the next few decades murdering its parents and teachers and worshiping a fat bald guy from Henan [?]
    Then it decided greed is good and has become a yuppie…

    • Germandude

      lol, Mark got “wienered”

    • Probotector

      Agreed, but Mao Zedong was from Hunan, dude; Changsha, I believe.

      • mr.wiener

        Thanks mate, I always get that one wrong :)

    • MonkeyMouth

      o ren ishi i !!! ( probably didnt spell that right…but that lucy liu character from kill bill)…..

  • donscarletti

    If western kids 3 generations ago had been sensitive and thought about their feelings all the time, the map of Asia would show a single co-prosperity sphere and Emperor Showa’s secret police would have long since erased all memory of this war and its attrocities.

    However, I agree with one thing. If he is abroad, especially in the sort of tough patriachal society where people can shut up and take a beating without crying, he should definitely be teaching about sensitivity and feelings. Otherwise we’re screwed if they ever decide to invade us.

  • narsfweasels

    “A government and its people simply cannot be separated, because
    you cannot only attack that government and not harm its people, because
    their military is also comprised of the people, and it is these
    so-called innocent people who supported/provided assistance [supplies]
    to the Japanese military that massacred Chinese people. Without
    attacking their people, it is impossible to stop their actions.
    Constantly saying the people are innocent is laughable.”

    As I’ve said before, on the basis of this logic, one is justified in calling the Chinese “Child Murderers” although that is an ugly thing to say.

  • Tova Rischi

    I was thinking of values. What values mean and what they are between different countries, where things err and where they don’t.

    My thoughts on China viz Japan and Korea led me to the assessment that “China has the most western-like values” despite the large superficial differences.

    Japan by my view is too differently concerned with duty and honor – remember the story of the teacher in trouble for skipping her school’s ceremony to attend her son’s? In America at least, no question she did the right thing. By the JapanCrush story, it was very doubtful that she did. By China I guess I don’t know for certain, but looking at the extent people go through to protect their offspring, such as the Meng Ge / Li Tianyi shit so long ago, I’d wager they err on the family first sort of things (at least if the party doesn’t feel like disagreeing).

    KJC all have embarrassing levels of female equity compared to the West but China by far outscores the other two relatively too, though it really depends where you look. KJC are all relatively homogenous though China is more diverse than the other too; China has forms of affirmative action even, and at least pay lip service to egalitarian ideals (even if they aren’t remotely good practicing it).

    I think it has something to do with the CCP imposing a number of western values – via the Russians, from ultimately Germany, France, England. Even though they failed to stop the creation of a new tyrannical class, failed to create a democratic state, failed in many regards, they did change values by being the hope of many (however misplaced) and singing about egalitarianism even if they didn’t succeed in (or ultimately care about) making it.

    I’m naïve though. Naïve as hell. So maybe my assessments are too superficial or too retarded. There’s a lot more I could say, but I’m off point enough already, and a stupid white guy really shouldn’t be talking like this anyways.

    But my point with all of this is what western value I think CJK needs most, even when we can’t live according to the value ourselves even usually (and my country is maybe the biggest hypocrite of them all):

    Two wrongs don’t make a right.

    Of the three I feel China would be most receptive to the value, but at the same time, it’s a hell of a fight upwards to communicate it. ‘specially, you know, Israel, 9/11, etc…

    • moop

      “stupid white guy really shouldn’t be talking like this anyways”

      you have every right to talk about any topic as anyone else, what does your race have anything to do with it?

      “”China has the most western-like values”despite the large superficial differences”

      huh? so things like human rights are “superficial differences.”? have you ever even been here? most receptive to “two wrongs don’t make a right”? the view of revenge as related to face in some chinese is barely a step above “honor killings” in parts of the muslim world.

      the gender equality issues achieved most of their balance during mao as he attempted to turn society on its head. but even this is reverting to the pre-mao trend of imbalance in recent years. i dont really get what you’re talking about

  • Boris

    “A government and its people simply cannot be separated, because you cannot only attack that government and not harm its people, because their military is also comprised of the people, and it is these so-called innocent people who supported/provided assistance [supplies] to the Japanese military that massacred Chinese people. Without attacking their people, it is impossible to stop their actions. Constantly saying the people are innocent is laughable.”

    This comment puts precisely why when someone says negative about the CCP the Chinese, who themselves will criticise their own government get defensive. They see it as an ‘attack’ on China and not just the CCP.

    • Probotector

      The inability to separate the government from the governed typifies the mentality of the Chinese nationalist.

      • ninxay

        In other words, complete morons who’ve been brainwashed to think the Middle Kingdom is the greatest piece of dirth on earth. What about the Chinese who collaborated with the Japanese during all those years?
        The only reason why this crap keeps getting dredged up is that the Party needs an external scapegoat while domestic issues pile up and fester. Most Japanese alive now weren’t even born during WW2.

  • FYIADragoon

    The comments do have it right as far as civilians go. Claiming the innocence of the civilians seems a bit naive. Hitler wasn’t exactly holding the people of Germany captive either. When all is said and done after war, the populace just wants to shift the blame to somebody else. If they’re like the Japan of the past though, they should realize what that leads to.

    • Probotector

      “Hitler wasn’t exactly holding the people of Germany captive either”

      Actually he was. That statement is simply wrong.

  • Probotector

    It’s mostly all the result of propaganda to rile up the masses and distract them from the government’s own transgressions.

  • ezaeae

    It’s like East Asia is a giant kindergarten

    • YourSupremeCommander

      Then the Middle East is a giant daycare.

      • arise

        more like a high school for delinquents that are fighting over turf.

      • Rnr2

        A mental asylum with no staff.

    • Confucius

      Only if you arrogantly see yourself as being superior. The irony is, your comment makes others view you as the complete opposite of how you view yourself.

  • Irvin

    You should go to a church and say that about jesus, or a mosque about Muhammad.

  • SzMach5

    Seems like most of the Chinese who hate Japan are older people who suffered under Mao and his propaganda. While the younger Chinese generation have access to the internet so they’re more open-minded and informed.

    • ninxay

      It’s those older people who can infect the young with their hatred, unfortunately. Those old bastards still think modern-day Japan is the devil’s spawn when their own government has been screwing with them for far longer.

      As for the young, I don’t have much hope either. Those who’ve been stripped of critical thinking abilities are just as likely to ape the Party line as their bigoted elders. It’s only those who have been overseas who will understand that the world isn’t so black and white.

      • Alex Dương

        It’s only those who have been overseas who will understand that the world isn’t so black and white.

        It’s funny that you say that because here at cS, I often see comments from expats expressing that very sentiment.

        • Probotector

          I think his comment is more about, if you leave China, you’ll see a better social environment: other cultures, different ways of thinking, diversity, etc., but remaining in China will by and large only show them what the Party line is on what the world is like, and that’s what most expats experience being here too. Nice try though Alex.

      • SzMach5

        I see what you mean but from my experience in China, much more of the older people than younger people have negative views toward Japan. So for me, not all hope is lost.

        Interesting point about Chinese going ‘overseas’. Some of the Chinese students I met in my university (Univ. of Washington) are more accepting too.

        • ninxay

          Precisely my point. If young Chinese see how other young people in Japan and the rest of the world live, they won’t be so quick to categorize them as foreign devils out to destroy China. Make them realise other people have the same hopes, dreams and worries that they have. Hopefully that will make them immune to the Party’s constant propaganda bullshit.

          And if I hear one more old fuck cursing the xiao riben, I’m gonna force feed the bastard with ten bottles of maotai. The counterfeit kind, if possible.

      • Probotector

        “It’s those older people who can infect the young with their hatred, unfortunately.”

        Yeah I can relate to that. I was in a supermarket the other day and this old fart was with some little girl (granddaughter? pedo squeeze? who knows?) Anyway, he was trying to teach her to say laowai and waiguoren, which she could barely utter (she was like 2). I went over to him and asked him why he teaches her that and why it matters that I look different. He was all confused was all ‘well you’re foreign and I have to make her aware of your kind’. Now, I don’t suppose he was being hateful, just insensitive and an ignoramus, but as long as this sort of thinking continues, the youth will be infected with it.

        • ninxay

          Maybe it’s the provincial and/or poor types who do this more. Can’t blame ’em if they watch brain-rotting CCTV all day and don’t think there’s a world beyond the Middle Kingdom. The middle class and the rich Chinese don’t seem to bat an eyelid when they see a foreigner in a supermarket.

  • niggaplz

    a new sino-japanese war is inevitable

  • Probotector

    Comments calling for death of the Japanese people, or whatever enemy du jour there is (e.g. “Nuke Japan flat! Nuke Japan flat!”), clearly indicates the ignorance of these people and their total lack of thought for the sanctity and innocence of human life. Obviously, the people that make such comments have never seen death and suffering, nor understand its ramifications, if they can wantonly call for it to be dealt out so indiscriminately and so nonchalantly.

  • MonkeyMouth

    inciting hate only exposes weakness

  • BillBo

    I flew into chenguan and the taxi driver said to me, “America?” I nodded yes. He said “Nagasaki! Hiroshima!” with a big smile and a thumbs up. I was kind of dumbfounded when it happened and always wondered if I somehow misinterpreted something. Now I understand.

  • BillBo

    LMAO @ the little children requesting a “battle assignment.” So naive, war is hell.I honestly hope they never have to learn that lesson the hard way.

  • Probotector

    Seriously, why do you have to make things personal? You’re saying I’m immature for pointing out that people who are holding onto past hatreds and animosities are wrong? How does that work? Kind of a contradiction to your other ‘progressive’ remarks, not to mention your own immaturity to descend into personal attacks as opposed to having a sensible debate.

    You say I have a ‘youthful understanding of life and people’ and haven’t developed empathy? Well, I’ve been to war, fought and suffered and taken a bullet for HM’s Government, and seen friends of mine die in the field… have you? Trust me, it’s not an experince worth holding onto. You don’t know me or what I’ve experienced in life, so take your patronising psycho-babble elsewhere.

    Frankly, it’s you that needs to grow up, then get some life experience, instead of thinking that every opinion you don’t like is the result of ignorance and immaturity. Who are you to say you are the voice of truth and reason? What have you achieved in life? What have you contributed to this world? Yet, you have the audacity to call others arrogant?!

    I’ll segway this in here: “If you are too young to have a strong connection to the Great Wars”? Well you said WWI, not WWII. (btw, only WWI was previously called the Great War). I wasn’t alive in 1914, so no, I don’t have a strong connection to that war. Nevertheless, it doesn’t mean I don’t care, I just don’t agree with you that we consider it ‘like it was yesterday’.

    I never said my enemies were a ‘different species of animal’ or ‘the devil in disguise’… what are you talking about?

    In any case, with regard to China and Japan, I’m not disputing they have a right to be pissed off about the attrocities that occurred back then and the perportrators of such attrocities, so I’m not lacking in empathy to that situation. However, calling for the death of all Japanese and hating innocent Japanese who never had a hand in that conflict is simply misplaced hate and senseless victimhood. That’s the difference between Japan’s retrospective on the past and our own. The glaring contradiction in your argument is that you say people should be open-minded, mature and empathetic, yet you condone and excuse the hatred and malice against an entire nation of people by another.

    • learning english

      站着说话不腰疼 (It is easy to be brave from a safe distance)

      for the hatred part,that’s not about “face”,that‘s not just a war,that was a massacre with maltreating. Any race will forgive that when the killer still denied invasion crime?

      40 years ago, we still talk about sino- Japanese friendship ,what made it change?believe me , not us.

      And forgiveness is a very important part of the traditional virtue of the Chinese people.

      we are not proud of Remember the hatred, we just want to remember the history, to make sure this kind of tragedy will not happen again.
      Because our neighbor is 喂不熟的白眼狼

  • Karze

    Chinese always victim card even when they are actively oppressing others and dub its a liberation.

  • Danee Rivera

    This is what happens when the government brainwashes the populace and the brainwashed people now calling to exterminate the Japs, the Viets, the Pinoys, the Yanks or whoever the government designates as the “enemy.”

    With this kind of mentality from China, Asia is going to need its own version of Bomber-Harris and LeMay.

  • Surfeit

    I drop bombs every morning and nobody cares.

  • ninxay

    Yeah, I know someone who bravely fought against the Japanese in Burma and China under the Nationalists, only to be treated like trash when the Communists came to power.

    Mao’s disastrous policies are glossed over by modern Chinese historians. They still need to pay homage to the bastard to legitimize the Party’s grip on power but they don’t want that era to be critically examined, lest it make the Party look incompetent. Or maliciously incompetent.

  • Mighty曹

    LOL

  • Probotector

    Well, the American flag has been firmly planted on the Moon since July 21st 1969.

  • Alex Dương

    It remains that only China and Vietnam have been in the dispute since the beginning. The other claimants came much later, even though some of the islands are “right next” to their shores.

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