Real Estate Employees Carry Year-End Bonuses in Burlap Sacks

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From NetEase:

Over Ten Million in Cash Distributed At Henan Real Estate Year-End Party, Workers Carry Money in Burlap Sacks

2014 January 21, Henan Zhecheng, the entire staff of a real estate company held their “2013 Year-End Share-In Success Party”. A total reaching 11 million yuan in wages and bonuses were distributed on the site, with some employees getting as much as 2 million yuan, directly using burlap sacks to hold the cash. Raffle prizes included 30 iPhone 5S mobile phones, five 42′ LCD televisions, two notebook computers, three air conditioners as well as other major prizes such as iPad mini, electric moped, refrigerator, and camera.

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The 11 million in cash piled like a mountain.

The 11 million in cash piled like a mountain.

A scene of the year-end party.

A scene of the year-end party.

The cash being moved during the awarding ceremony.

The cash being moved during the awarding ceremony.

A scene of the year-end party.

A scene of the year-end party.

A scene of the year-end party.

A scene of the year-end party.

A scene of the year-end party.

A scene of the year-end party.

Henan Chinese real estate company employees carry home year-end cash bonuses in burlap sacks.

An employee using a burlap sack to carry away 2 million in cash.

A foreign national employee of the company putting on a performance.

A foreign national employee of the company putting on a performance.

A female employee performing a dance.

A female employee performing a dance.

Company employees putting on a talent show.

Company employees putting on a talent show.

An employee winning an Apple iPhone 5S mobile phone.

An employee winning an Apple iPhone 5S mobile phone.

The 11 million in cash piled like a mountain.

The 11 million in cash piled like a mountain.

Comments from NetEase:

老纳的歌 [网易湖南省长沙市网友]:

Seeing this kind of news everyday is already making me sick.

网易浙江省宁波市网友 ip:220.191.*.*:

Seeing this kind of news first thing in the morning makes me very excited, and actually, this is all the blood and sweat money of the ordinary common people.

网易广东省惠州市网友 [黄易屁民]:

It’s only companies like real estate with huge profits that can give away this kind of wealth.

最近得了精神病SO比较精神 [网易广东省东莞市网友]:

In a moment, I’m going to print this piece of news out and put it on my boss’s desk!

印度老神油 [网易河南省驻马店市平舆县网友]:

All I see is the ordinary common people’s blood and sweat.

网易河北省廊坊市网友 ip:60.10.*.*:

One look and you know it’s just a publicity stunt! One look and you know just how high the profits are in real estate! One look and you know how much money us ordinary common people have unfairly spent for housing!

潘朵拉的情人 [网易海南省海口市网友]:

If the boss gives you 1 million, it just proves that he earned 1 billion!

网易河南省郑州市网友 ip:218.28.*.*:

China is too ironic. Some people can work decades and not afford a home, while the bonuses of ordinary employees of real estate companies require burlap sacks to carry. Does this not reflect a very serious social problem?

180905649 [网易云南省临沧市网友]:

Truly disgusting. This is actually the blood and tears of the masses of people exploited by capitalism dressed as socialism. Seeing this makes me want to curse “fuck!”.

网易山东省青岛市手机网友 [X尘土飞扬X]:

The sheep wants to use 200,000 to build a sheepfold, but the wolf says it’s against regulations and not allowed, that he has to buy a commercial sheepfold. The tortoise bribes the wolf with 200,000 for the rights to develop [the land], spends 500,000 to buy a plot of land from the wolf, spends 100,000 to build a sheepfold, and then sells it to the sheep for 2,000,0000. The sheep doesn’t have this much money, so the dog lends the sheep 2,000,000 which is 3,000,000 including principal and interest, requiring 20 years to pay back. The wolf, dog, and tortoise have all become rich, while the sheep is now poor to the point where he doesn’t dare have children. With the number of sheep decreasing, the wolf becomes worried… I hear recently they’re preparing to ease the reproduction restrictions on the sheep.

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  • Probotector

    Imagine if that money was counterfeit.

    • Germandude

      Hey Phonebookprotector, good to see you back again. Can I congratulate you for being a father already or not yet?

      Honestly, I think it doesn’t matter if the money displayed was counterfeit or not. The show of carrying it in burlap sacks and the display of it is pretty tasteless considering they know it’s going public.
      People should realize that an exaggerated display of wealth is harmful towards people that are living at the poverty line. From which China has enough. I’d say the same about European (nouveau-) rich pulling off such a show. It’s just disgusting to see when the news are full about unemployed, social-cuts and stagnating wages.
      If you have money, you can’t buy style, but it should be common sense to enjoy a life without rubbing it under the noses of the less blessed.

      • Kai

        Like MTV Cribs, a conspiracy theorist would say it’s all to perpetuate the false dream that keeps the little guy in shackles!

        • Jay K.

          Ohhhh snap!!!

        • Germandude

          True. I hate MTV. However, there are 2 differences between sportsmen/music+movie starts and Real Estate/Banking of significance.

          1. One of the types is only monetaring on the ideals/wishes of their fans, while people are willingly following and financing their idols.
          2. The wealth of the idols is in no way harming idols through causing any disadvantages.

          Don’t forget that I also dislike the star-worshipping and the omnipresent display of wealth in Hollywood, the NBA, NHL, NFL and all the others.
          I prefer sportsmen like Michael Schumacher (well, not including his immigration to Switzerland for lower taxation) that earn a lot of money, do something good without using it as a base of creating “the good samaritan” image as a marketing tool.

          • Kai

            I actually wasn’t trying say anything about MTV, athletes, or celebrities per se. I was just alluding to the notion that modern media/entertainment can be seen as a sort of opiate for the masses, where programming featuring rich and wealth enslaves the masses by making them think that they too can one day live like that as long as they stay within a system that is arguably skewed to making the rich richer and the poor poorer. MTV Cribs was just an example of that sort of programming off the top of my head.

            This was all just in response to you saying ostentatious displays of wealth is tacky. A conspiracy theorist would say media presentation of displays of wealth is a plot to keep the little guy down by feeding them false hopes.

      • Probotector

        Agreed, they shouldn’t be so brazen. The little lady’s not due ’til May, so a while to go yet.

  • Wodowsan

    Making so much on land only the state owns and on buildings the buyer can own for only 70 years? No one else sees something wrong with this picture?

    The meek shall inherit China when the rich and powerful bleed it pale and move overseas.

    • xuedi

      A person cant own land for longer than certain years in China, but with the right connections you can have a housing company set up with state improvement and you get an exception …

      • Wodowsan

        The state still holds it owns the land, and can take it back at anytime it wishes. Right connections help, but one’s connections can fall out of grace and then your connections are meaningless in a society that does not respect individual property rights. If you can take the home of another how secure is your home? – paraphrasing Lincoln.

  • Germandude

    The last of the Chinese comments is simply awesome! Somebody’s vision is still sharp despite the fog created to distract.

    • Cauffiel

      Forgot to add “After the sheep pays off his 20 year loan, the wolf reclaims possession of the sheepfold and charges the sheep rent for it.”

      • Kai

        Can’t add that yet. The other parts are historical fact. That part remains to be seen. Personally, I think if that happened, there’d be another revolution. The more the government puts people in commercial homes, the more risk they have in ever truly taking it away. People in China are buying property because they’re banking on it being taken away being an increasingly remote possibility. Who knows what will really happen until the time comes, but we have to acknowledge the merit of this perspective.

        • Cauffiel

          I had a handful students tell me in class one day that the government sells land to build factories and take the factories back after 20 years (or per agreement) and charge the factory owners rent. If they told me wrong, I have no way to know.

          • Kai

            I think commercial property (used for business) is administered differently from residential property (“sheepfold”). We’d need more information about the case your students told you about to make a better determination of what happened. It’s generally unlikely that the factory owners went into it not anticipating the result. It’s likely that it was all factored into the initial deal.

          • sfphoto1

            You are wrong. In China, commercial leasehold is 50 years while residential leasehold is 70 years. In Hong Kong and Singapore, most property sales are leaseholds lasting 99 years although there are freeholds lasting forever.

        • AskNazi

          China: END IS NEAR!

          China’s Epic Offshore Wealth Revealed: How Chinese Oligarchs Quietly Parked Up To $4 Trillion In The Caribbean
          http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-21/chinas-epic-offshore-wealth-revealed-how-chinese-oligarchs-quietly-parked-4-trillion?page=2

          China’s rich fleeing the country—with their fortunes
          http://www.cnbc.com/id/101225781

          • Kai

            Yep, this is why it’s so popular on the Chinese internet to hate on officials and overseas Chinese suspected of being the family of officials. Pretty demoralizing.

          • SonofSpermcube

            Hahaha, the Zerohedge article is blocked.

      • sfphoto1

        The sheepfold story doesn’t make sense. Here’s why:

        In China, real-estate developers must build high-density housing on land bought from the government. And that means developing residential high-rises instead of single-detached housing such as those found in North America. The government allowed urban dwellers to build their own housing on city land, that would result in suburban sprawl. So, China’s current urbanization policy is pragmatic and effective in housing large numbers of urban residents while minimizing the environmental impact on land use and maximizing transportation efficiency.

        Let’s rework the sheepfold story by applying it to Hong Kong, the most expensive residential real-estate market in the world:

        “The sheep wants to use 500,000 to buy a sheepfold, but the wolf says it’s against regulations and not allowed since you can only buy a residential sheepfold from the four big bears. The wolf owns all the public land in the island territory and wants to make money by selling public land to the four big bears. So the wolf holds an auction for the rights to develop the land with the condition that the winner build 5,000 sheepfolds on the land. The four big bears bid on it and one of them wins by spending 1,000,000 per planned sheepfold for a total of 5,000 x 1,000,000 = 5 BILLION for the plot of land. The winning bear then borrows from the dog another 2.5 BILLION to build 5,000 sheepfolds which costs another 500,000 each and then sells each sheepfold to the sheep for 2,000,000.The sheep doesn’t have this much money, so the dog lends the sheep 2,000,000 which is 3,000,000 including principal and interest, requiring 20 years to pay back. The wolf, dog, and winning bear have all become rich, while the sheep is now poor to the point where he doesn’t dare have children. With the number of sheep decreasing, the wolf becomes worried… I hear recently they’re preparing to ease the immigration restrictions on letting in more sheep.”

        And THAT is how Hong Kong works: the HK government as the biggest landlord, the big four HK families who own and control more than half of HK’s economy and the big HK banks.

  • YourSupremeCommander

    What a stupid show… wished muggers were all waiting outside of the venue.

    • Kai

      It’d be funny if the less lucky coworkers donned ski masks and pantyhose and just jumped the guy as he was walking to his car/home with his sack o’ cash.

      Dunno though, maybe the guy earned the bonuses legitimately, is some sort of top sales dude or whatever and the rest just know they have to work harder.

      • Jay K.

        kai that comment you made I think was actually the most “thug life” to ever come out of your time here and other places where you write. I commend you for that. You must be straight out of Compton!

        • YourSupremeCommander

          No kidding! And he aint playing no more!

        • Kai

          I throw in a bit of color every so often. They’re like Easter Eggs.

          Wow, someone downvoted me (and you) for that. Haterade hoooo!

      • Surfeit

        That’s the first time I’ve (figuratively) heard the words ‘earned’ and ‘legitimately’ in a sentence relating to China and huge sums of money.

  • markus peg

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  • Free Man

    Although this display of one’s success is ridiculous, the comments of the netizens are even more absurd. All the netizens complaining that this money is the common people’s blood&sweat would shut up within less than a second and take everything, if they had the option.

    If you bitch about something others do, bitch about something you wouldn’t do in any case or shut up.

  • markus peg

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    • lacompacida

      And check just won’t do.

    • sfphoto1

      Is that Abe?

  • SonofSpermcube

    You can see the hate in the eyes of those ladies carrying the money.

    It doesn’t say what kind of real estate company it is. Not that any of them are completely sinless; but is this an apartment agency parasite like Homelink, or is it an actual property management company that does real useful work? In the former case, it would probably be the most hated type of business in China. In the latter, still not exactly popular. When all we want to see from these people is them dying in a fire, this kind of display was never going to look good.

    • YourSupremeCommander

      “It doesn’t say what kind of real estate company it is.”

      Yes it does, it says it in quite a few of the pictures.

  • Insomnicide

    The real estate bubble in China is frightening.

    • Marcus Black

      It’s going to be a party when it goes POP!! hahaha.

  • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

    So all these people need now is to where a black and white sweat shirt, and an eyemask to complete the picture.

  • ex-expat

    A pretty dangerous and flagrant display of wealth, especially considering cultural views on owning property, and how many may never be able to do so.

  • Guang Xiang

    Is the white guy on a leash? O.o

    • mr.wiener

      His name is Rex.

    • TJDubs

      My guess is that he is not entitled to a bonus, and can’t be trusted to do his monkey act in such close proximity to the cash.

  • RickyBeijing

    We had a work party just like this last Saturday. I won an Iphone, some of the receptionists won gold bars. Good fun was had by all.

  • ScottLoar

    To All Whomever You Are, Wherever You Are, Complaining About Salesmens’ Commissions;

    A Parody (not my own) of the Jack Nicholson speech in A Few Good Men (to be read aloud):

    Sales: “You want answers?”

    Finance: “I think we are entitled to them!”

    Sales: “You want answers?!”

    Finance: “I want the truth!”

    Sales: “You can’t handle the truth!!!”

    Sales (continuing): “Son, we live in a world that requires revenue. And that revenue must be brought in by people with elite skills. Who’s going to find it? You? You, Mr. Operations? We have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom.

    You scoff at sales division and you curse our lucrative incentives. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what we know: that while the cost of business results are excessive, it drives in revenue.

    And my very existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, drives REVENUE! You don’t want to know the truth because deep down in places you don’t talk about at staff meetings … you want me on that call. You NEED me on that call!

    We use words like comps, migration, discounts, flex licensing, global purchase agreements, butt-fusion. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent negotiating something. You use them as a punch line!

    I have neither the time nor inclination to explain myself to people who rise and sleep under the very blanket of revenue I provide and then question the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said “thank you” and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a phone and make some sales calls. Either way, I don’t give a damn what you think you’re entitled to!”

    Finance: “Did you expense the lap dances?”

    Sales: “I did the job I was hired to do.”

    Finance: “Did you expense the lap dances?”

    Sales: “You’re goddamn right I did!”

    • Kai

      Butt-fusion!

  • xiaode

    as faster they rise…. as faster they will fall….

  • Germandude

    Your in-depth knowledge of Chinese people and non-Chinese people is not impressing me. While you try to use stereotypes to bring your message across, you’re doing it wrong.

    You earn 2 points for creativity however, because you managed to use an empty paragraph to break your 2 sentences apart, which adds eye-candy to an otherwise pretty boring comment.

    Additionally, the mis-spelling of ChineAse in your first word shows that you are not lacking creativity and make use of freedom of expression.

    3/10, wouldn’t recommend your post to other readers. There is room for major improvement.

    • Justin

      Hey Germandude is this your job to post on here? I’m just extrapolating from the amount of comments you post (though you probably don’t put much thought into each before vomiting them out on here), but I would estimate you must spend something like 5 to 8 hours doing nothing but posting on here. I’m just wondering if you don’t have any legs or something and you just sit at a laptop all day on Chinasmack, because on any given day I can check this page and you’re stinking it up with your bitter expat bullshit. I mean I usually only come on about at 4:50 or so as I’m running out the clock at my job, but I still always manage to see 40 or 50 comments by you on any given story. How is this possible? Are you even one person? Is there a team of Germandudes all posting under the same identity? I mean help me understand here? At this point, my sole purpose in coming to this site is to read up on this or that news item and mostly to fire off little barbs at you or one of the other of your ilk for the fuck of it to alleviate boredom. I don’t know what it is you get out of it though. Just another outlet for your misanthropy? Get a puppy, yo. Your life will be happier.

      • mr.wiener

        Jeez, what is this, pick on Germandude day? Again, what does this have to do with his initial comment?

        • RickyBeijing

          I think what the guys above are talking about is Germandude’s annexation of the comments section. I think I probably check the comments section as often as Germandude, but he starts arguments quite often (or just seems to get in them) and then we end up with a long string of ridiculous argument with no connection to the article.

          I only comment when I have relevant experience or have something to add to the story at hand (or at least I hope I do). But a lot more people check the comments here than the 10 people who comment consistently on every article.

          To be honest I don’t really give a shit about you guys’ internet arguments, but it does make it harder to sieve through the intelligent banter about the subject at hand.

          But that’s just me, proceed to call me troll asshole ESL teacher or some shit…

      • Kai

        Of all the bitter expats who vomit bullshit on cS, you pick on @disqus_qpFQtxPJyF:disqus to censure (in this case: flame)?

        The guy is probably one of the more reasonable ones here. There are far far FAR worse.

        Yeah, we can interpret his comment as a variant of what @guizi said, “Chinese are so brainwashed”, and sure, that’s a stereotypical remark from expats/foreigners, but damn, there is so much worse. Your flame feels disproportionate to his “offense” here. There are legitimate trolls and demogagues more deserving of your ire and public shaming.

        • Germandude

          Well, I am not sure if my comment is misunderstood or not.

          I wrote:
          “Somebody’s vision is still sharp despite the fog created to distract.”

          With that “somebody” I don’t mean that this commenter is the only one in China that figures “the fog that is created to distract.”

          Additionally, if @guizin misunderstood me and gave a post that I then misunderstood, well then sorry for that. To clarify: I also recognize that most of the non-Chinese, the average Joe, Jacque, Tom, Hans, Friedrich, Vladimir and else are victims of the “fog that is created to distract”.

          I think I don’t need to further explain this point anymore as the message must’ve come across and people will understand.

          Except of course @Justin, who seems to have special interest in me but lacks any common sense and fails miserably in his assumptions and prejudices.
          This ain’t no dating webpage, so his questions remain unanswered.

      • David

        What a sad little man you seem to be to make such a flaming comment..

      • Nessquick Choco

        some people work just 30 minutes per day. Hard to believe huh

  • death_by_ivory

    I understand the wealth gap and everything but it is all too common to hate on people who whatever way made it.In the USA we suppose to hate on Walmart’s Ceo etc.Why?They worked,they made money.If you think they made money on the back of the “common” people,dont shop in their stores.If you just plainly jealous,finish a course or go to school,pick up a degree and make something out of yourself.Whining about how others have it and you don’t will not help you.
    Downvote me as much as you want,I also worked in a 7 dls an hour job.And no I didnt hate my bosses because they got rich on my work.I was a supermarket worker,not a professor so that is what I got paid.Instead I saved up until I got enough to start my business and now Im much better off.
    Sorry for the rant.

    • RickyBeijing

      This is different. I’m currently in my third Chinese apartment and the fees I have to pay just to get in are insane. I’d say I spent over US$2000 already just to get in and after living here for two months I’m still not ‘legally’ living in the apartment.

      The reason I’m not legal is because I need the landlord to pay tax on my rent, which he won’t so I can’t get a Fa Piao to prove I live there to pay for registering to live there. So now I have to pay almost US$1,000 in tax or else my visa might be invalid. All of this money I pay is pocketed by the real estate companies and Landlord and I have no legal choice but to just shut up and pay.

      BTW none of what I mentioned above includes rent, which is also extortionate.

      • socali

        Seems like you need to move elsewhere in Asia, mate. I heard HK or SG is pretty nice.

      • silent observer

        I had the same type of landlords who refuse to pay tax and make you foot the bill.

      • Kai

        Where in China are you? There are certainly some pitfalls a foreigner unfamiliar with the process and handicapped by language barrier can step in when renting in China.

        You should have written contracts with the agency and the landlord before renting, and these should help you work with the police when something goes awry. Your employer should also be able to help you if they plan on keeping you as a legal employee.

        If this is your third apartment and that means the third time you’ve encountered this problem, either you live in an absolute backwater lawless shithole part of China or you’re also doing something wrong. I’m not trying to blame you, I’m just saying you need to do your own due diligence in these transactions. Being screwed over once or maybe even twice happens, but if it keeps happening, the one common factor in these different equations is you.

        I don’t know how much any of us on here can help you without knowing all the particulars but maybe others who have experienced similar things can give you some advice. If you can’t speak the language, you need to find someone who can help you and your employer would be a good place to start. You should never hand over money without getting a receipt or fapiao to evidence it. Stop forking over money until you are absolutely certain of what it is for and have documentation for it. Good luck.

        • Brad pitt

          Kai Mod RickyBeijing
          • 20 hours ago

          Where in China are you?
          This made me laugh… look at his username!

          • Kai

            LoL, my bad!

      • FYIADragoon

        Assuming you’re another foreigner who can’t speak Chinese.

    • ScottLoar

      Don’t apologize for expressing yourself sincerely, it calls into question what you had to say.

    • silent observer

      I dont think people are angry because these people are earning money in burlap sacks….People.are angry because in this time of economic uncertainty they are showing off to the extreme…My wife always tells me to not show off. You can have money with class…newly rich are really the only people that need to show off and it sucks to the people who are dirt poor and most likely work twice as hard.

    • miomeinmio

      I don’t know if you’ve ever lived or worked in China, but I think you might be looking at this through a distinct cultural lens and not considering it from the average Chinese’s point of view. The situation in the States is different – legally, culturally, and ethically. Walmart’s CEO is not squeaky clean, but I’d wager he’s an angel descended from on high compared to some of the wealthy here. It’s easy to argue ‘don’t hate the player, hate the game’ when talking about Mike Duke. The corruption here is, just. It’s third world, it really is. People who bitch about it in the west really just cannot understand the depth of corruption here, to the very lowest person on the rung.

      The wealth inequality in China is shocking, in my opinion, for what is lauded as the ‘world’s second largest economy’. As I, a young woman, sit on my break, at a part time job where I earn three times my exorberant rent, the cleaning lady, an old woman who would be retired or approaching retirement in the States, walks by. She works all day here, full time, in an unskilled, ‘minimum wage’ (in the west) position. But unlike your $7/hr, even full time she likely can’t afford to put a roof over her head. Even with a full time job, it’s probable she lives in a crowded, dirty tenement and can eat only the cheapest, nastiest food. I’d bet my eyeteeth she owns three or four pieces of clothing. The 2 kuai subway ticket is probably out of her budget, and so she can only afford the 0.4 kuai bus.

      I’m not making a statement of “this is how it is for this cleaning lady”, but I am saying that if that’s not her story, that’s the story for millions and millions of people in this country. So yes. There’s a definite thought here that, it’s not right. That so few can have so much when so many have so little.

      And all that isn’t even getting into the issue of opportunity inequality. Not when people with Master’s degrees are climbing all over each other to get a job sweeping the streets.

      This company is Chinese, those people are Chinese. They should have known better. They should have respected their fellow man so much more. They should have had some more humility and been more appreciative of their opportunities and good fortune. That’s my opinion.

      • Brad pitt

        I even feel bad for the people making minimum wage in western countries… They have to live life counting every dollar… But in China it’s on a whole other level.

    • David

      Having worked at McDonalds when I was young for $2.25/hours (the minimum wage then) and in the military for $1000/month (plus combat pay during war), I commend you on working hard and making something of yourself.

    • FYIADragoon

      If this was the states, I’d be with you. There are too many liberal arts majors that think that guarantees them a right to a six figure salary. But, in China most of these riches are gotten from rather unfair methods. That’s what angers the people here.

  • Germandude

    Apologies. My initial comment didn’t use any stereotypes at all, while your comment is a 2 sentence-4 lines masterpiece of knowledge and reverse stereotyping.
    Had I known that chinaSmack was also visited by the thinking upper classes of societies (Chinese & Western), I would’ve written sth different. I would’ve probably replied to your initial comment with irony and sarcasm instead of grading your post.

    I am not surprised that you didn’t understand my initial post, or my reply to your post. And I am now pretty sure that you will also not understand this comment which is a pity because a prosperous discussion between you & me might not be possible.

    So let me offer you the Chinese-face-saving way of ending this: Maybe you are right and Chinese are very sharp and clever. You’ve proven that you are not.

    • guizi

      Again, very typical excuse going other directions, irony and sarcasm, yet still dont realise what is the point and stupidity of yourselfe and other bunch of people.

      BTW I am not Chinese.

  • Cameron

    There are basically two ways to live in China: spend all day waving your weath and fortune in other faces or spend all day having other people wave their wealth and fortune in YOUR face. The first makes you empty and despicable, while the latter merely makes you bitter and twisted. Choices, choices . . .

    • xuedi

      i agree, but so far only Japanese cars get burned … not long until luxurious cars catch fire …

  • David

    Before retiring from my company to become a teacher, I spent 20 years running my brokerage. Every employee there (with the exception of the secretary and accountant) worked on 100% commission (including myself, who worked on my own commissions and overrides of my salesmen). If they did no make money they got paid nothing. Sometimes a guy would go a month or two and make no money at all. Other times he would make $10,000 in a week. After a month or two of making no money a guy usually either quit or worked his ass off to make money for his family. I had 20 guys working for me and at the Christmas party we did something like this and gave out our yearly bonuses. I knew that every penny I was giving to these guys was 100% earned.

    • Jahar

      Well, in your situation, as in this situation, there is the matter of value as well. And the value to you and the percieved value from the customer might be considerably different. I’m with the last poster. They get big bonuses in part because they help everyone involved get rich while your average joe has to watch real estate prices go through the roof to pay for it.

      • David

        This is true, but the guys who worked for me and many of these guys probably see themselves as average Joes also. I mean there is some difference of course, doing business in China is different than the states. I never had to pay off any politicians or government officials.

    • plorf

      I think the Chinese comments get right to the core of why they dislike this kind of event: Real estate developers buy cheap land with empty promises of jobs, schools and general welfare from the gov whose job it is to relocate the local people, who are unable to sell their own land, and then makes a huge profit selling the appartments. So the comments that all these millions on display here are earned with the sweat and blood of the poor is the literal and direct truth, not just some socialist inequality rant. An easy way to make money, sure, but the armies of landless peasants in the city without jobs are not exactly a recipe for a harmonious society either.

      • David

        I understand that point of view. I am not an expert on how real estate in China works or who has the opportunity to benefit. In fact I have asked people in the past how it works (how can you not be interested in how they build forests of apartment complexes) and nobody seems to be able to give me an exact answer. Lots of innuendo, accusations and general “the little people get screwed and the government guys get rich” but I have never heard how exactly they do that. I do give weight to the comments by the Chinese netizens but there is no promise that they know what is going on either. I can’t read Chinese but my Chinese friend (a poor person and no friend to people demolishing poor villages) showed me this article a day before it showed up on CS (because she knows I used to be a businessman) but the translation does not really say who is getting the money. It says employees of a “Real Estate Company” which does not really explain to me what they do. My friend said the article she read said all 42 employees got this money, excluding executives (which was my first thought). She said even the secretaries got big bonuses. Now I don’t know if my friend was right but it is worth thinking about. anyway, I know the husbands and wives of those employees are really happy this New Years.

  • Jahar

    I think his point was that your comment that his comment sucked sucked, as does your English. And I think it was less clear than the sentence I just wrote. Also, you are the one being stereotypical.

    • guizi

      Is my first comment difficult? It just has 2 short sentences.

      Maybe you are referring to this sentence.
      > There are so many non-Chinese who make a group thinking that Chinese are making group thinking.

      OK, I will rewrite it for you. It means “Bunch of people here have very simple brain and always make same comment. They are like a preprogrammed robot.”

      • Jahar

        yeah the one with the grammar that makes no sense and makes it incomprehensible.

        The thing is though, almost all the people on here make similar comments because of similar experiences. and isn’t kinda the pot calling the kettle black? Look at the posts above. They are all the same too. Lots of people have similar opinions.

  • mr.wiener

    So let me see….You think that the fact that he got lots of upvotes and no downvotes means that everyone else are a bunch of idiots and only you can see things clearly for what they are…?
    What exact is your point? You don’t seem to have expressed one, except that Chinese people are smart and he is not, which is odd considering he was commenting on how a view held by a Chinese netizin was clever.
    Are you bringing a feud from JapanCRUSH onto these pages?

  • mr.wiener

    …..Your…your right! How could I have been so blind?

    Govts everywhere pull the wool over their citizens eyes. China is not unique in this regard. None the less when this property bubble bursts it is going to make Japan’s look like a fart compared to a Typhoon.

    • xuedi

      no idea what this massive thread is about, i just trough some stones at the crowd to see what happens …

  • 5000 years of history

    I learned the hardway too. Now I negotiate 1/2 of the deposit at move in and the other half after I get all the documents I need for my visa.

  • Kai

    This isn’t about how China runs its own country, it’s about a landlord who isn’t holding up his side of the transaction.

  • ex-expat

    I’m not sure what you guys are talking about. The apartments I got in China were all through a real estate agency, so there was a contract, etc. Is that different from how you did it, or is it because you are having trouble getting the existing contract enforced?

    • Kai

      I’ve rented without an agency and there’s still a contract.

      • ex-expat

        Truly, a contract in China does little to ease any concerns I may have, but it is better than nothing. I just felt more comfortable with the agencies as the contracts are standardized and that I would at least hopefully have some recourse, if needed. Thankfully, I was lucky enough to recognize the shady landlords before I signed any contracts.

        • miomeinmio

          I think part of it as well is guanxi? I feel like when you use an agency they direct you to landlords they know, and then the landlord wants to treat you right so you tell people, Yea! Use ABC agency, they got me a great place! and then ABC agency again sends people to 123 landlord.

          I have absolutely no proof of this, it just kind of makes sense to me, because I’ve had great experiences using agencies and really bad experiences on my own, regardless of language issues.

  • Kai

    Residence permit is pretty much just an application form and a slip from the local police station. The slip from the local police station is just evidence of rental which the landlord should easily be able to provide. The other things you need for legal status is a valid visa. I’m assuming a Z visa for you and most of that work should be taken care of by your employer with the only things needed from you may be evidence of qualifications.

    I actually don’t think the bureaucracy for visas and residence permits is that bad in China. I think a lot of people just haven’t had that much experience living in other countries before? Maybe the language barrier magnifies it? There’s a bureaucracy for this sort of relocation wherever you go in my experience but yeah, it can be a pain.

  • Paul Schoe

    To me it is not surprising that many people come with a “Chinese are brain-washed” comment. I am often surprised how many historical facts and current developments in the world, are not known to Chinese people. Every country has its own version of history, in which they white-wash their behavior, but in China I noticed that it is combined with a deep ingrained feel that any other information, that counters the info that they have, is an attack on China.

    And it is not just Lao Wei that have this observation. Around a year ago, a Chinese person provided along listing of things that he has learned, and that are presented to him on TV, which eventually did turn out not to be true. It varied from socio-economic developments to watching dozens of movies in which he saw the Red Army bravely fighting the Japanese (which the Red Army never did, it were the Kuomingtan. who were kicked out of China to Taiwan). That person asked himself, what was left to believe? What was left that he could be certain that it was the truth?

    Speaking for myself, I know that i am brain-washed. I know that my history books depict a country that is heroic, while bad apples are preferably not mentioned. The difference between being brain-washed and not, is how open we are to other opinions, interpretations, or facts. But to many Chinese there is only one correct vision of the world, and that is theirs. And anybody who presents facts that are contradictoy to ‘their’ truth, does not present something that is worth investigation, but that person is seen as an enemy of China.

    One of the postivie points about the thousands of Chinese students that go abroad for study, is that they will get introduced to other visions of how the world turns.

    It is in exchange, that we can develop and prosper and shouting and calling people names (“stupid, idiotic”) for their opinion is a loud display of exactly that selfrightneousness (brain-washed) that many Chinese have and that prevents such an exchange.

    (Germandude, I included 4 blank lines, can I get 4 points for creativity? Please?)

  • I Wonder

    I call fake on this BS. If there really is so much cash being given out, how come the prizes are so shit? iPhone 5S? 42 inch TV? The company I work for doesn’t pay a huge amount in bonuses but we had iPad air’s, 55″ Sony TV’s, motorcycles etc. as prizes at the party.

    • SimpsonsGoldenAge

      30 iPhone 5s’s, it’s not like there was just a few.

      • Brad pitt

        For the lower workers who make 3000-5000 rmb a month an iphone 5 = a months salary… not that bad of a bonus…

  • Paul Schoe

    Your name seems to indicate that you are not Chinese, yet your comment is very, very Chinese. Almost everything here in China, is measured in money. The only things worth doing, is a thing that earns money.

    Yet, there are many other motivations to come to China. Varying from getting a cultural experience, to wanting to help in orphanages.

  • David

    Actually, Gemandude’s comment was a compliment on how a netizen can see the truth despite being surrounded by a fog of disinformation and limited internet access. That is not the same as saying people are all brainwashed (which, by the way, is a pretty dumb and inaccurate way of describing what the Chinese government does with its propaganda).

  • FYIADragoon

    Ugh, I get a headache every time I go to our company’s year end and the only tech prizes are Apple or the hard to get LCDs. Couldn’t they toss in some Samsung products or a 4K TV? I know its too much to hope for some Sony Z series phones/tablets to get thrown in there with their current relations with Japan.

  • David

    You seem to be arguing that people in China, in general, are as well informed as those in the rest of the world. That there is no systematic attempt to use misinformation or deception by the Chinese controlled education system, media or the limiting of the internet by the government to influence the thinking of Chinese people. That people in China, in general, are free to pursue and have access to opinions and facts from around the world on which to base their opinions. Do you really believe that?

    His comment is not an insult to the the intelligence of the Chinese people. It is an honest recognition of the obstacles placed in the way of the Chinese people (deliberately by their government) toward informed understanding.

    • sfphoto1

      David:

      What you’re saying is that Chinese Citizens are made to believe in the official dogma of the Chinese State.

      But that’s also practiced in the West. In the Catholic Church, for example, lay Catholics are made to believe in the official Catholic dogma as the one and only religious Truth with the Catholic hierarchy having sole ecclesiastical authority. So that implies that although lay Catholics are allowed to read the Bible, they are not allowed to question official Catholic dogma but are required to accept the infallibility of the Pope in matters of Faith.

      Now applying the same logic to the Catholic Church and Catholic believers, would you say that makes “brainwashed” into “self-righteousness”?

      • David

        Comparing Chinese controlled media (where the Chinese people have no other options) to religious doctrine (which is freely chosen by well informed people) is ridiculous.

        • sfphoto1

          “religious doctrine (which is freely chosen by well informed people”

          You mean the Catholic Church allows lay Catholics the intellectual freedom to interpret the Bible based on their own knowledge? I thought that would be considered heresy which was the crime committed by Martin Luther when he rebelled against Papal authority and started the Protestant movement.

          “Chinese controlled media (where the Chinese people have no other options)”

          Outside of the Catholic Church, what about the political philosophy of Leo Strauss who argued that political elites in democratic countries should use deception, religious fervor and propaganda to control irrational masses for political ends? In Western philosophy, Plato first articulated the concept of the “Noble Lie” in his seminal work “Republic” in which he envisioned the need for elites in a stratified society to control the masses by inventing national myths.

          So how is that different from what China is doing today?

          • Paul Schoe

            It is different because nowadays science plays a bigger role, as well as justice and freedom of press.

            Nowadays in the West, many feel that there should be the option for all opinions to get the foot light and then we ourselves can (try to) form our own opinion. Science laid the ground for this, as it has demonstrated beyond any doubt, that a new opinion, not carried by the mainstream, might neverthless be the correct one.

            It is that item, often summarized under the term “freedom of press” that is different between the West and what China is doing today.

          • sfphoto1

            “Freedom of the Press” is only true for the corporate owners of the Press. In fact, I would say that mind control by Western media and entertainment corporations is much more subtle, pervasive and insidious than the banal propaganda of the CCP. And your statement claiming that the West has “Freedom of the Press” proves this because THAT is what the Western media/entertainment complex wants you to believe. And THEY also want to you believe that the “Chinese are brainwashed” because there is no “Freedom of the Press” in China.

          • David

            Why are you so cynical? I can not speak for Europe (they are generally more liberal than the U.S.) but just this month the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that the first amendments entitlement of ‘freedom of the press’ applies to on-line bloggers as well as huge media corporations and small printed journals (which were all there were in the U.S. when this was made law). Even with large corporate media companies, you might get a left or right bias that is from the people who work there not a shill for the government, with all the choices available you can watch or read somebody you think is honest. It is YOUR OWN choice..

          • sfphoto1

            So you don’t think the concentration of ownership and control of media and entertainment corporations in the hands of the few rich and powerful elites in the Western World does NOT affect “Freedom of the Press”. Since Western Citizens don’t own their own “Press”, they still have to rely on the “Press” owned by the Western Elites to get their news and information. Even the journalists working for the “Press” are paid employees of those giant corporations. The same logic that Westerners use to decry the lack of “Freedom of the Press” in China due to the ownership and control of the media by the Chinese State can be applied to the corporate-owned Western media. So what’s your point?

          • David

            “The same logic that Westerners use to decry the lack of “Freedom of the
            Press” in China due to the ownership and control of the media by the
            Chinese State can be applied to the ownership and control of the Western
            media by the few rich and powerful elites in the West”

            Well, this is your point not mine. I do not agree with your conclusion. Even if you believe that these western “Elite” have no desire to report the news honestly (which I do not agree with on the whole) than each is reporting it with a bent toward their own particular bias. Therefore you STILL get different points of view to consider and using your own judgment can decide for yourself who to believe. They would not all be reporting things in the same way along one approved party line with the intention of convincing people of some story approved in Beijing.

            Apparently you do not see a difference between the two but I do.

          • sfphoto1

            “Therefore you STILL get different points of view to consider and using your own judgment can decide for yourself who to believe. They would not all be reporting things in the same way along one approved party line with the intention of convincing people of some story approved in Beijing”

            But that’s like saying its OK for the corporate-owned Western media to shape public opinion by “manufacturing consent” (in Noam Chomsky’s words) but it’s not OK for the CCP to promote its views to the Chinese public. Don’t you think the ownership and control of Western media in the hands of a few rich and powerful Western elite implies a “conflict of interest” between their patrons and the public? By virtue of its sovereign right to rule China, the CCP can rightfully claim its political prerogative to promote its views to the public through State-own media while Chinese citizens are allowed to express their opinions through social media. Even if the CCP promotes the “party line”, there is no “conflict of interest” there as the CCP works for the national interest.

          • ex-expat

            Freedom of the press is more than just news. Things like this really don’t happen in the West:

            http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/29/world/asia/publisher-of-book-critical-of-chinas-leader-is-arrested.html?_r=0

          • Paul Schoe

            On a secondary note. Plato is admired for his way of thinking and how he introduced the difference between how we see the world, and how the world really is (or should be).

            His personal opinions are more a side-line. So the fact that Plato is such an impressive writer, does not mean that his political opinions, such as the “Noble Lie”, are (still) supported and seen as ‘good’.

            On the same note,I hope that China’s ideas about what is good and wrong, have also evolved during the last 2500 years. So it is a bit weird to see a quote from Plato from 2500 years ago and then, in a defense of China, to read “how is that different from what China is doing today?“.
            Do you really want to compare China with the West of 2500 years ago?

          • sfphoto1

            The concept of the “Noble Lie” as Plato first enunciated in his “Republic” is the creation of National Myths by the ruling class to ensure the political loyalty of of the ignorant masses. Leo Strauss, on the other hand, developed the philosophy of deception as a political necessity in democratic societies to control irrational masses. His thinking became prominent in America after the political disaster of the Vietnam War and the ensuing social chaos. Indeed, his theories on using deception by means of propaganda was put into practice during the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

          • Paul Schoe

            I do not disagree with the description that you give, i disagree with the approach that if one person/country/entity does something bad, then that permits another person/country/entity to also behave badly.

            Without having done research, I expect that the fast majority of the population in Europe and the US would disagree with the use of cover-ups, lies and deceptions by their government. That does not mean that it does not happen, but it does mean that it is frowned upon, will result in fewer votes during the next election and might even result in impeachment. And because of this general attitude in ‘The West’, I disagree that you use the “Noble Lie” that Plato permitted 2500 years ago, as a comparison to show that the behavior of China is not much different from that in the West..

          • sfphoto1

            You are talking about morality; I am talking about politics. The reason why I cited Plato was to prove that the creation of National Myths for political indoctrination is also part of the Western political tradition. When used correctly, it can be very effective in achieving political ends. Indeed, the U.S. media is quite successful in “brainwashing” Americans into thinking the U.S.A is No. 1. And the best practitioner in U.S. politics is none other than the former actor-turned-politician Ronald Reagan.

          • David

            “You mean the Catholic Church allows lay Catholics the intellectual
            freedom to interpret the Bible based on their own knowledge? I thought
            that would be considered heresy which was the crime committed by Martin
            Luther when he rebelled against Papal authority and started the
            Protestant movement.” Have you ever even been to a Catholic mass or know anything about the religion? So you are comparing the 16th Century Catholic Church with the 21st Century Chinese government? OK, I think NOW you have a fair comparison. Also, not to be petty, but you have your history wrong on Martin Luther. I am sure if I were Lutheran I would not be happy. However, I do not think you are actually interested.

            Kai, while I can appreciate what you are saying the fact is, even though most Catholics are born and raised into the religion, people remain and practice as adults voluntarily, unlike another religion I could name, it is not considered a crime punishable by death the leave the church. How much Catholics know about specific dogma is an individual thing.In addition to Sunday school and readings at mass every week Church doctrine is freely available for reading, studying and
            discussion with priests, nuns and scholars. Therefore, if an individual
            wants to learn or know more they can. Some know a lot and some do not and don’t want to, they get solace from the communion they experience in the community of the church.

          • sfphoto1

            Notwithstanding the reforms introduced by the Second Vatican Council, the Catholic Church still elieves the Pope to be infallible and the Church to be the supreme authority on matters of faith and morals. Below is the 1983 Code of Canon Law:

            “§2. Each and every thing which is proposed definitively by the magisterium of the Church concerning the doctrine of faith and morals, that is, each and every thing which is required to safeguard reverently and to expound faithfully the same deposit of faith, is also to be firmly embraced and retained; therefore, one who rejects those propositions which are to be held definitively is opposed to the doctrine of the Catholic Church.”

            “Can. 751 Heresy is the obstinate denial or obstinate doubt after the reception of baptism of some truth which is to be believed by divine and Catholic faith; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him.”

            “Can. 752 Although not an assent of faith, a religious submission of the intellect and will must be given to a doctrine which the Supreme Pontiff or the college of bishops declares concerning faith or morals when they exercise the authentic magisterium, even if they do not intend to proclaim it by definitive act; therefore, the Christian faithful are to take care to avoid those things which do not agree with it.”

            http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P2H.HTM

        • Kai

          Two things I want to quibble about:

          1. The juxtaposition of Chinese people versus “the rest of the world” in terms of how “well-informed” they are.

          The reason I want to quibble about this appeal to majority fallacy is because it usually reveals a sort of “Western” or “first-world” ethnocentric perspective. Chinese state media is controlled, but it’s really hard to be certain “the rest of the world” is “better informed” than people in China, when they are much closer to the Chinese in terms of poverty and societal development than they are with the first-world Western countries.

          This quibble isn’t even over the obvious fact that the vast majority of people in the world are reasonably ignorant about most things they don’t give a shit about or never had the opportunity to learn about. It’s about the unavoidable singling out and alienating of a group from “the rest”. The rhetoric is more emotional than accurate.

          2. Catholicism as a religious doctrine “freely chosen by well-informed people”.

          Like #1, it isn’t hard to understand your point (at least for me) but the rhetoric here is distracting. Catholicism is hardly–historically or presently–a religion that is “freely chosen”, much less by well-informed people. The vast majority of self-identifying Catholics know less than a fraction about actual Catholic dogma. The vast majority were born into it, inherited their grossly oversimplified and cherry-picked beliefs and general subscription from their parents and peers, going along with the flow, without anything close to making a conscious decision after becoming “informed” about the doctrine and its competitors.

          @guizi is annoyed. He thinks non-Chinese people thinking Chinese people suffer from group-think are themselves suffering from group-think. He thinks it is stereotypical now for non-Chinese people to have the stereotype that Chinese people are brainwashed. It’s a bit Inception-like but its not a point that is hard to understand. It’s like the whole hipster thing. He’s annoyed by how popular and quickly people trot out the “Chinese are brainwashed” criticism, and, in this case, after simply reading a netizen comment that is critical of how things are in China.

          Is his annoyance understandable? When there are so many similar comments on cS and so many more on the Chinese internet? At what point does it stop being poignant to remark at how “sharp” a Chinese person must be simply because they’re critical of modern China? After all, we make such remarks BECAUSE we have preconceptions about how brainwashed and ill-informed Chinese people are BECAUSE again we have preconceptions about how controlled information is in China.

          Does being correct that information in China is more controlled than it is in many other places change guizi’s annoyance with how stereotypical it is for certain people to make the stereotype of Chinese being brainwashed?

          I think they can coexist just fine.

          sfphoto1 ‘s basic point is also mundane as well, the “it’s present in the West as well” response. All he’s saying, fundamentally, is that ideology and beliefs are socialized into people in the West. Maybe for different things and with different levels of sophistication, but isn’t this objectively true as well?

          Does it change the fact that China controls information with the intent to keep people in the dark about certain things and to promote notions advantageous to itself?

          No, but his point isn’t that ridiculous, especially after the distracting whopper you included with your response accusing it as ridiculous (nothing personal, I hope #2 explained why I characterize it as a “whopper”).

          I want to say guizi kinda straw-manned Germandude, and then you kinda straw-manned guizi. Also, if we’re going to be self-aware, guizi’s annoyance should easily make sense on a site like cS where there is inevitably going to be judgment and the corresponding resentment over that judgment.

          Again, nothing personal, David, I just wanted to chime in and see if I could make this all more understandable, in the tiny chance that it helps those involved coexist a little more–heh—harmoniously.

          • Wodowsan

            I think the simple fact that information from China is not censored or banned in the West. While in China information from the west and internally is censored and banned clearly shows which side is more brainwashed. How can one not be brainwashed if you are not allowed to hear all conflicting points of view?

            Have you ever watched a CCTV talk show. Everyone one on the panel agree with each other. Compare that to a Western Talk show, where different people with
            different views clash and argue with each other at least every Sunday morning in America.

            Have you ever been in China at 7pm and all the major national channels turn to one face to broadcast the news, it is very Orwellian experience. I also love how the news broadcasters often says “Everyone knows.” as if there is no disagreement in the information he propagating.

            In the States for example you have CNN, BBC
            America, Foxnews, ABC News, CBS News, MSNBC, NBC news, even Al Jazeera America, with only PBS owned by the State (yet not really controlled by the state.) And there is also C-Span that only broadcasts events without telling the viewer what to think. You can even get CCTV in The states if you want to. Nothing
            is censored or banned, except Child Porn and Snuff Films.

            I found in China there was very little the Chinese
            knew that I had not already known, yet there was much that I knew they didn’t.

            Are there ignorant Americans? Yes, but that is not
            due to the State preventing them getting access to information. It due to their own personal lacks of interests in trying to understand the world we live in better. Too many in the public care more about the personal lives of sports stars and movie stars then the things that actually do effect their lives, economics,political theory, international relations, and history. At best the majority only knows the pop talking points. Intellectual laziness I call it.
            It is also the reason the American government is not a true democracy and only a republic. It is also why we have a Bill of Rights to protect the rights of the uncommon man. Not only from the State but from the dictatorship of the majority.

          • sfphoto1

            Well, thanks Kai for your clarifying my points.

            Aside from the Catholic Church, American Protestantism is even worse when it comes to using religious dogma for political ends, such as the Christian Coalition which is a powerful group in the Republican Party.

            Christian Fundamentalists not only believe in one and only one religious Truth but they also want to promote their version of Biblical Truth by means of “brainwashing” non-believers into becoming Christian believers and react with all self-righteousness by condemning those who refuse to accept their dogma as “sinners”.

            Let’s rewrite what Paul Schoe wrote and apply it to Christian Fundamentalists in America:

            “The difference between being brain-washed and not, is how open we are to other opinions, interpretations, or facts. But to many Christian Fundamentalists there is only one correct vision of the world, and that is theirs. And anybody who presents facts that are contradictory to ‘their’ truth, does not present something that is worth investigation, but that person is seen as an enemy of Christianity.”

            I don’t deny that the CCP tries to promote its political dogma using mass media, political events and public education, but it doesn’t really affect Chinese citizens’ private thoughts that much, as reflected by the vocal opinions expressed in social media.

          • Paul Schoe

            I like how you rewrote my sentence to make it apply to Christian Fundamentalists in the USA ;-)

      • Becky553

        Well I was raised Catholic and was taught that it is not the only religious truth, but just the best generally. Basically anyone could get to heaven if they are a good person but the Catholic faith is good guidelines.

        And I don’t know what Catholic church you are following, but the dogma tends to change and few people follow all the guidelines, but are welcomed with open arms and not considered heretics in any sense. In fact there is confession and forgiveness so you can pretty much do whatever and remain catholic.

  • cloud9

    Is this the Chinese version of “Wolf Of Wall Street”.

  • mr.wiener

    So if he doesn’t let his landlord rip him off he is one of those exploitative foreigners that come here to get rich at the expense of the chinese people?
    If I swapped Chinese for “American” you’d sound like some kind of hillbilly redneck.

  • Kai

    I’m confused, how did you get a residence permit without the proof of residence you need to get one?

    Right, your employer has no real legal obligation to help you sort out your residential situation. I’m just saying they can be a resource for potential help in this situation, especially if they have experience hiring foreigners. Maybe someone from HR or legal can help you, even if its just a favor on personal time to go with you to the police station or whatever to understand what your situation is and options are.

    I wasn’t aware that temporary residence permits were so complicated in Beijing. Some of what you say are required sounds like the req’s for a Z-visa though. If you’re not mixing it up, then all I can say is that I haven’t run into this sort of situation. Lucky me and unlucky you I guess.

    Anyway, good luck. Bureaucracy is always a bitch.

  • Kai

    Was the cash you forked over for (part of) the rent or for the fa piao (apart from the rent)? I know some people get fa piaos on the black market and you pay a fee for someone to get it for you. Renters usually get it because they can then give the fa piao to their employer for housing subsidies/reimbursement purposes, and the employers file it as expenses for tax accounting purposes.

    Yeah, discovering that your landlord is a fucker can be frustrating. Just keep a level head and not rush into anything without know what exactly is going on. Good luck again. I hope it all pans out.

  • mr.wiener

    “Many Chinese come to America to “get rich.” This will be at the expense of the American people.
    Why don’t foreigner stay in their own country and “get rich” then they will not have to complain how America runs its own country.”

    Is that the sound of banjos I hear in the back ground?

    • Claude

      Oh Oh Oooh..sacre’bleu!!

  • mr.wiener

    What a bleak and cynical view you have of the world.
    I hope your observations broaden in the future.

  • mr.wiener

    That would be a reference to the hillbillies in the movie “Deliverence”.
    I am a moderator here, true, but I’m not the brightest penny in the fountain. I go through all the “Chinks must die” , “Jews are manipulating the world” and “Piss off whitey” comments.
    Yours are not quite at that level, but may I say as a person who has come to Asia and started his own business and marrying a wonderful woman, how much I do not appreciate being labeled an exploiter and a skirt chaser and a pedophile.

  • Paul Schoe

    Unfortunately many ‘poor’ countries seem to attract people who abuse others, but it would only be a small minority otherwise a country would quickly close its doors for foreigners.

    I really wonder what type of environment you live or work in if those are the only foreigners that you meet or read about.

    As far as orphanages are concerned, there are many foreign volunteer programs and NGO’s that are focused on helping those kids in need, and they deploy many checks to minimize the risk of bad behavior as that you refer to. I would therefore be very surprised if the news that you have read, concerns any of the officially sanctioned NGO’s in China.

    • sfphoto1

      Small minority? There’s a whole industry catering to pedophiles in Thailand, many of whom try to find employment as so-called “Engrish Teachers” in Japan, South Korea and now China.

      Not saying all laowais are pedophiles, but those who are truly altruistic persons who harbor no cultural prejudice against China and Chinese are a small minority.

      • Paul Schoe

        I am talking about China. China has very strict regulations when it involves foreigners taking care of Chinese children (orphanages, adoption) .

        Compared with the thousand of volunteers that work in China to make the life of neglected (and often physically handicapped) orphans better, the bad apples are indeed a very small minority.

        • sfphoto1

          You may be right about orphanages but you’re wrong about the ESL industry in China. Unlike Thailand, China doesn’t have a sex industry catering to Westerners. Instead, the ESL industry has become a well-known haven for Western pedophiles and sexual perverts looking to “get laid”, preferably with young girls (and boys). And since the market for the ESL industry in China is mostly teenagers, that’s a perfect target for all kinds of sexual predators from Western countries. And we’re not talking small numbers here as the booming ESL industry in China takes in just about any white laowai who can speak, act and talk like a laowai.

          • Paul Schoe

            I cannot comment on any excesses in the ESL (English as a Second Language) market as I am insufficient familiar with these situations. However, as China is maturing, they are considerably increasing the requirements of ESL teachers. Last year new visa rules were introduced. China has become much more strict on the credentials of people who want to get a visa to work as a teacher. They used to be almost non-existent, as you say “any white laowai” will do, but now demonstratable English knowledge and preferably teacher qualifications are required. It will make the ESL market a more professional one. One with less room for the type of people that you describe.

  • mr.wiener

    You really are as thick as shite aren’t you?

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