Students Join Teacher in Brawl Against Military Instructors

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From Phoenix Online:

Hunan Military Instructors Clashed with Teachers and Students; More Than 40 Injured

On [August] 24th, a clash occurrd among the Longshan county, Hunan province Huangcang High School freshmen during military education and training. Internet reports claim the military [drill] instructor used “corporal punishment” on the students, even stepping on them with his foot, and that the teacher in charge of the class was even beaten for intervening. Then, when the students stood with the head teacher in opposition against the military instructor, other military instructors joined in on the brawl. School officials say a lot of people were involved, and that the incident resulted in over 40 people being injured, with the head teacher’s injuries being relatively severe. Photo is of an injured female student.

High school students and their instructor got into a brawl during their military training

Internet reports claim the cause of the incident to to have been a fight breaking out between some students in one of the classes and a military instructor during a break in the morning military training exercises. Because the students outnumbered him, the instructor lost. When the afternoon military training exercises began, the instructor was particularly strict with that class, punishing all of the students to do push-ups. When some of the students could no longer do more, the instructor stepped on them. When the head teacher noticed that something was wrong, the teacher came out to plead on behalf of the students, but was unexpectedly struck by the drill instructor. The students then came to the aid of their head teacher in fighting against the military instructor. It was at this moment that the other drill instructors joined in the brawl and the situation lost control, becoming a complete mess. Photo is of the scene of the incident.

High school students and their instructor got into a brawl during their military training

A member of Huangcang high school office staff who asked not to be identified said there was indeed a clash between military instructors and teachers and students during training. “The students are freshmen, the teacher is the head teacher of the class, and there were “quite a lot” of military drill instructors involved, with the instructors having been sent by the county’s People’s Armed Forces Department.” Photo is of the scene of the incident.

High school students and their instructor got into a brawl during their military training

This staff member said the incident ultimately caused more than 40 people injured, with the head teacher’s injuries being more serious. At present, the injured teacher and students have all been taken to the hospital for treatment, and the local Public Security Bureau, Education Bureau and other departments are dealing with the incident. As for the cause of the incident, the staff member expressed that he too did not know. The Paper has since called the Longshan Propaganda Department and Longshan Public Security Bureau, but there was no answer from either. Photo is of injured students.

injured students

An injured student.

High school students and their instructor got into a brawl during their military training

High school students and their instructor got into a brawl during their military training

Comments from Phoenix Online:

凤凰网陕西省西安市网友:客户端用户

These military instructors obviously lack character. How could they be qualified to educate others??

凤凰网甘肃省网友:手机用户

If the drill instructors have such balls, they should go on the battlefield instead of attacking their own countrymen. China needs to reduce do some weeding of its military.

凤凰网广西网友:南宁网友 (responding to above)

Make sure you’re clear on what happened before commenting. Maybe the military instructors were forced to defend themselves. You can’t just look at the injured people and assume the injured were in the right.

凤凰网安徽省芜湖市网友:遥望苍穹的倔驴

Today’s students not being very easy to manage is definitely true, but using corporal punishment on students is definitely an expression of incompetence and inability, because those who are unable to persuade people through reason often use forces instead.

凤凰网新浪微博网友:徽博菅理员

Military training is the first lesson about society. It should not be cancelled. [There has been a growing call in modern Chinese society to retire these sort of military exercises for civilian students].

Comments from QQ:

北极光

Military training is essentially a just going through some motions. It really would be better to just add some extra physical education classes.

无痕

The character of the military instructors need to be improved.

指尖de柔情【闲聊勿扰】

This kind of compulsory military training is simply unnecessary, and only serves to increase the financial burden on parents. Or does anyone expect them to be able to go fight a war on the front lines? To put it bluntly, it’s just nonsense. Even with a month of military training, the students’ bodies/health won’t be that much better. Bodily health is something that changes gradually over long periods of time. [Good health] requires long-term perseverence in training and exercise.

与阳光跳舞

What is the difference between this kind of instructor and a thug?

戴天罰惡·曉龍

It’s meaningless to say who is right or who is wrong now. The instructor using his foot to step on the students was trampling on others’ dignity and self-respect. This is trampling on Chinese citizens’ human rights.

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  • Probotector

    “Internet reports claim the military [drill] instructor used “corporal punishment” on the students”

    Perhaps Corporal Punishment should be demoted back to Private then.

    • RickyBeijing

      I think that’s the general, Consensus

    • x1sfg

      That’s a Major pain administratively, though

    • SongYii

      you guys are really punny

    • narsfweasels

      That’s the colonel of the argument right there.

  • Probotector

    Probably the first time some of these students had been physically punished in their entire lives. Still, physical punishment should be reserved for parents, and this seems to be more of a case of abuse than just discipline anyway. We’ve moved on from R. Lee Ermy in Full Metal Jacket.

    • donscarletti

      Inflicting a bit of pain and terror on new soldiers is fair enough, since being able to mentally cope with pain and terror is one of the key skills of staying alive on a battlefield. For every brutal drill sergeant there are thousands of enemy soldiers and militants who would do far worse if given the chance. A soldier’s purpose first and foremost is to inflict violence and have violence inflicted upon them in turn, so coping skills is pretty important.

      Doing the same to highschool students is idiotic and pointless. These students don’t need to use violence and they don’t need to remain calm to take cover or tactically retaliate when violence is inflicted on them. There is nothing useful a future white collar worker or even a future laborer can learn from having the shit kicked out of him. Many former military people have developed well in civilian life in the past, but this story just illustrates why it’s not appropriate or applicable for civilians in general.

      • Probotector

        “Inflicting a bit of pain and terror on new soldiers is fair enough …”

        I get what you’re saying, but it’s just not practiced that way anymore, at least in the West.

        “…but this story just illustrates why it’s not appropriate or applicable for civilians in general.”

        I think this story illustrates why it’s not appropriate for high school students to receive their military training from this guy. Military training, even in the the most rudimentary form, can help a person to learn discipline, structure, teamwork and more often than not, fitness. Are these qualities not valuable to society? Getting the shit kicked out of you is not supposed to be your main experience when going through military training.

      • SongYii

        theyre college freshmen… same age as recruits in many other nations.

      • SongYii

        sorry…. went back and read again… they are high schoolers

      • Rick in China

        Regardless of whether we agree or disagree with a little roughness as being valuable (I for one, think it’s fine, if it’s done from a place of improvement and discipline rather than anger/hatred), the biggest reason this is wrong, is because it seems the instructor was using that time to get *revenge* on little kids that *beat him up*. REVENGE against kids, in the form of physical discipline. This is not for him to dish out. He is there to teach them something, not be a fucking petty crybaby bitch, if he is teaching them this is how the Chinese military works I’m sure the entire class is now thinking “what a bunch of fucking pussies.” and has zero respect for them.

        If you could beat up a military instructor when you’re a young teenager, you’d not likely be thinking “Man my country sure is badass.”

      • Guest

        It is definitely not appropriate if civilians are exposed to this form of military experience just for a weekend a year. Nobody likes going through it; they lack the necessary conditioning to benefit from it.

    • lacompacida

      Beating up of students by teachers is very common in Chinese schools. Corporal punishment by parents is common place too.

  • mr.wiener

    Respect ma authoritae!

  • Probotector

    “This kind of compulsory military training is simply unnecessary, and only serves to increase the financial burden on parents. Or does anyone expect them to be able to go fight a war on the front lines? To put it bluntly, it’s just nonsense. Even with a month of military training, the students’ bodies/health won’t be that much better. Bodily health is something that changes gradually over long periods of time. [Good health] requires long-term perseverence [sic] in training and exercise.”

    It seems that Jun Xun doesn’t really succeed in developing students’ discipline and teamwork skills. They pretty much only do marching for three weeks, and they’re not even kitted out properly. It doesn’t really provide much practical benefit. What they need are some command tasks and leadership training with empowerment for the most able and committed students; make one of them a squad leader or something. It also perhaps should be viewed as a compulsory introduction, and those that want to learn more should have the option to continue alongside their studies as an extracurricular activity, for long-term benefits. The poster is right, if they’re not going to reform Jun Xun, it should just be scrapped.

    • Don’t Believe the Hype

      the purpose of Jun Xun is to promote collectivism, patriotism and “good character.” Improving health didn’t even make the list.

    • lacompacida

      A month can do wonders if they know what they are doing. Try a month of Basic Training in the US army.

    • SongYii

      maybe they could also learn to read a map. ive never met a chinese who can read a map of their own town.

      • David

        Yea, wth is up with that? Most I have met have never even SEEN a map of their own town. That is very strange.

        • SongYii

          I don’t know, man. By 3rd grade I knew all the states and their capitals, and by 4th I understood global coordinates. I think this must be typical for Americans and no doubt Europeans. Much of the rest of the world seems to have little use for map reading.

  • SongYii

    Looks like those instructors know how to whoop some ass.

    • must touch brain

      Yeah, beating up on teachers and students. Real thugs.

      • SongYii

        A LOT OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME

  • One military instructor?
    Cue the scene from “Enter the Dragon” when Bruce Lee and John Saxon took out the whole school

  • lacompacida

    Brawls are great training programs to prepare combatants to face real war situations. Great idea, China.

  • Markus P

    What was he teaching by beating up the students and teachers?
    Sounds like the military instructors lack discipline and respect which is needed in the military.

  • Disney English

    The Chinese military are a bunch of amateurs with no experience and little proper discipline.

    • Ruaraidh

      They’re ok at industrial espionage, and I hardly need mention their proven expertise in putting down unarmed Chinese dissenters. . .

    • x1sfg

      True, except their cyber warfare

    • Insomnicide

      People complain China is too militarily aggressive and claims China is imperialist, now they insult the Chinese military for not being more involved in real conflicts.

      • Disney English

        A lot of the problems with PLA aggression come down to its lack of discipline and professionalism. They push and push and push because they have little concept of what it is they’re doing or of the potential consequences.

  • Apothis

    What really surprises me is that they got the students to do any pushups….From all I have seen, this generation of students does not exercise.

    • SongYii

      The military training I’ve seen the past 4 years I’ve worked at universities is a joke. I’ve seen them playing games I played as a kid, one similar to red rover. And one like a scaled down version of capture the flag, but not really. And one drill that have to do is just standing still in one place and not moving for 30 minutes or however long.

  • vincent_t

    ” because those who are unable to persuade people through reason often use forces instead”

    The best comment of the year.

  • DavidM

    I teach at a University and every year during military training an instructor on a golf cart runs over at least one student. China first needs to train it’s instructors. If they can’t even drive a golf cart how can they train others.

    • SongYii

      no one else can drive worth a damn either

  • donscarletti

    I don’t remember the article mentioning that the trainer was with the United States Army. I’m pretty sure he would have been in the People’s Liberation Army, which does not follow the policies given by the United States Department of Defense.

    I’m just explaining why they do what they do, not recounting old stories which I am too young and of the wrong nationality to have. America used to do similar things and European armies were even more brutal, the reasoning was the same, desensitization to pain and violence.

  • Rick in China

    What! This is by far the most awesome part of the article: “a fight breaking out between some students in one of the classes and a military instructor during a break in the morning military training exercises.”

    So, China’s military instructors can’t handle themselves against a few ‘freshmen’ students? WHAT!

    Do we need to guess what would happen if a few freshmen in the US f’d with a military instructor? I’m guessing he would not need to “step on them” a few hours later out of shame and to ‘get back at them’, what fucking children.

    This whole thing is nonsense. I do, however, think that head instructor did what he should have done – absolutely…. if anyone here is to be praised it’s that person. The students are probably fucktards and deserved a little beating. The instructors are assholes and deserve more than they got, as well.

    • SongYii

      no way…. the teacher should not have intervened unless the instructor was way out of control. stepping on the students, i imagine to make the push ups tougher…. a little rough, but not overboard. then this asshole math teacher or whoever comes out and challenges your authority in front of everyone…. it sounds like the intervention is exactly what escalated it into a brawl.

      i think a more detailed report is necessary to make a wise judgement about who was right and.wrong, but i think characterizing the head teacher as a hero and the military instructor as a villain is jumping the gun.

      • Rick in China

        I would not agree with some fuckface pencil cocked napolian-syndrome weaksauce ‘military instructor’ who lost a fight to some freshmen kids stepping on my exhausted kid out of revenge. I’d be glad that a teacher stepped in and said what the fuck are you doing, you can’t step on students.

        Your whole presumption is he was ‘helping them’ by ‘making them push up harder’. I find that hard to believe. I’ve stepped on students – in wado-kai class when I was in late teens, while they’d be in 6″ (hold ankles 6″ off floor while on back) position i’d run across their stomachs. That was different. It was controlled and not because they ‘couldn’t do it’, but rather, to force an exhale and extra abdominal tension in burst, while obviously putting less pressure on the weaker people and basically curb stomping the stomachs of stronger ones. What this guy did isn’t anything like that from the little we know – it was purely out of cruelty and frustration against those who could no longer continue, it did not serve ANY purpose to improving or ‘encouraging’ these kids, please don’t pretend it would have.

        • SongYii

          Well, I just don’t think we really know how vicious the instructor was being toward them initially. How vicious he was after the confrontation is somewhat more clear (but who knows how exactly those injuries were inflicted). The article just isn’t very detailed, and biased against the instructors. He was probably out of line, but waaaay out of line?

          Those kids should go to band camp for a week!

          • Rick in China

            I’m not against being tough on them.. I just don’t think it was done from a position of “I’m helping them”, which military instructors in boot camp are presumably doing. Tough love. Make it tough because they’ll die in combat if it’s not tough now. This isn’t the scenario with these *kids*. Even if he was just stepping on them but not hard, the teacher still had the right and dare I say, responsibility, to enquire..to be like “Hey, dude, can you avoid stepping on the kids, yell at them and be strict but do you really have to step on them” — and the instructor had a right and responsibility to explain himself.

            That’s not what happened tho. From what is written above, there was a fight, pety instructor acts out by abusing the kids (who knows how hard or weak the abuse was), teacher basically says hey stop abusing the kids, instructor gets riled up and starts freaking out and bustin’ heads because apparently now he has more people to back him up, chaos ensues..

          • SongYii

            You’re right, its apparent it was punitive, not meant to encourage. But as long as its not injuring the students (and there is no detail in the article that tells us it was) then intervening just caused the instructor to lose face (which you know is an issue here) and for everything to escalate from there.

            We have no idea what the head the teacher did or said to stop whatever it is was going on…. maybe he was reasonable, maybe he was hysterical, maybe he even hit the instructor first. The military guy has a story to tell too.

            All said, it was handled badly on all sides, and the guys training real recruits and the guys training high schoolers should not be the same personnel.

          • Rick in China

            I agree that we need more information to argue these points any further… There’s a quote at the end of this post that mentions the teacher’s demeanour as pleading, NOT hysterical, that’s all we have to work with.

            But I can say definitively, if my child was in military training – and the instructor was rough on them, but I identified it as “good” rough, like discipline and seriousness rough, I’d be cool as a clam. If, however, I saw some signs of punitive cruelty or “fuck you” attitude, I’d get up in their face and be, likely, a helluva lot more aggressive than this teacher who “When the head teacher noticed that something was wrong, the teacher came out to plead on behalf of the students, but was unexpectedly struck by the drill instructor.”

          • SongYii

            i agree with the distinctions, and the appropriate way to respond to each situation you describe. some guy fucks with my kid or otherwise kin, they got problems. but chinese news media is full of dramatic language that i seldom feel confident reflects what actually happened, so it behooves us not to jump to conclusions.

            if i had to put my money on who was (most?) wrong, its the military instructor. but more fun to disagree. :-)

  • Gerhana

    actually these mini military education are really useless.

  • SongYii

    its a school. schools have compulsory activities and courses. can choose not to attend school.

  • JayJay

    Full Metal Jacket… Chinese style!

  • narsfweasels

    “Make sure you’re clear on what happened before commenting. Maybe
    the military instructors were forced to defend themselves. You can’t
    just look at the injured people and assume the injured were in the
    right.”

    Hello, wumao.

  • LuoyangLaowai

    Damn I wish this story had some Video to go with it. I would love to see how this Fight played out.

  • Insomnicide

    Drill instructors are not soldiers, they do not participate in military conflict. So really, people saying he should be fighting on the battlefield or the character of the Chinese army is thuggish have no idea how the military work.

    • Yes!

      You may have a point, if you do actually know how this is set up in China. Generally speaking, a drill instructor – or a combat engineer, or tank driver – would/should have had proper combat training i.e. know how to handle a rifle, how to shoot, fieldcraft, attack a hill, dig foxholes, etc; being a drill instructor is only one of the many assigned vocations.

    • David

      I have no idea what it is like in the Chinese army but in the U.S. Army drill instructors are ABSOLUTELY real combat soldiers. They take few years duty as a instructor but before (and after that) they had a normal career with a job. How could you possibly train people for combat if you have not be trained and practiced yourself? I was a Sargent in the Air Force (the branch of the military least associated with direct combat) and I still was trained before I trained any of my men (including professional NCO school)..

  • Foreign Devil

    It’s rather fitting. Chinese military is mainly in place to control and suppress Chinese people. These kids got an early taste of that. I wonder how many will choose to join the ranks of the oppressors.

    • David

      good point, and all these other people are saying it is useless.

  • Brido227

    From the Chinese and Korean students I’ve spoken to about it, most see it as a form of induction designed to bring them together with their classmates and teach them the basic personal admin skills needed to live in close proximity. Nothing I’ve heard suggests creating trained soldiers is on the agenda.

    There’s also some sense that it’s about creating job opportunities for tuiyi’d army personnel.

  • Shadowblur

    …Attacking school children, what next?!

    • Yes!

      The “school children” look like mid-late teens, probably just a few years younger the drill instructors.

      • Shadowblur

        ….But still, they’re school children, looks to me like the drill instructors were not trained enough for all situations, like if someone is very stubborn, what do you do etc, anyway, the DI are kids too, should have brought a much older instructor who has much experience, Or have that older instructor there with the young instructors, not just send out all young instructors, that’s a bad decision.

      • David

        Freshmen are 14-15 years old. If the instructors have to resort to violence (and then lose) with them, it is pathetic.

  • Amused

    Hey, let ’em know early why it is that they have no opinion about anything so you don’t have to send ’em to “the camp” later. What a lovely example of tough love. And complete girlishness on the part of the students. If you had you tried that shit with the kids from my school they’d have had to mass try us all for murder. And not just because we were all armed. 50 vs 1 and improvised weaponry is still a recipe for ugly.

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  • Karze

    Chinese military under communist party enjoy total power to behave violently on innocent common people.

  • SongYii

    I knew there more to.this story than we read here. i thought, ‘why do the students have bloody wounds? did the instructors knife them? or somehow punch cuts into them?’ NO. the piss ant stupid-fuck students rampaged, breaking windows in classrooms and dorms. a lot more blame falls on the students than before… THEY LACK DISAPRINE!

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/hengshao/2014/08/26/as-chinas-military-training-for-students-ends-with-brawl-its-necessity-is-questioned/

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