American “Virgin Killer” Elliot Rodger, Chinese Reactions

Elliot Rodger

From Sina Weibo:

@新浪新闻视频: American University Student Shoots Dead 6 People and Commits Suicide Because He’s 22 Years Old and Still a Virgin — Last night Beijing time, a shooting occurred at the University of California, Santa Barbara. The suspect was a student of the school, Elliot Rodger, who recorded a video before the incident: “I’m 22 years old and I’m still a virgin […] College is the time when everyone experiences those things such as sex and fun and pleasure […] You girls have never been attracted to me [… ] I will punish you all for it.”

Chinese subtitles of Elliot Rodger's Retribution video.

The above Chinese subtitles are translations of this part of Elliott Rodger’s Retribution, his last video on his YouTube account:

For the last eight years of my life, ever since I hit puberty, I’ve been forced to endure an existence of loneliness, rejection and unfulfilled desires all because girls have never been attracted to me. Girls gave their affection, and sex and love to other men but never to me.

I’m 22 years old and I’m still a virgin. I’ve never even kissed a girl. I’ve been through college for two and a half years, more than that actually, and I’m still a virgin. It has been very torturous. College is the time when everyone experiences those things such as sex and fun and pleasure. Within those years, I’ve had to rot in loneliness. It’s not fair. You girls have never been attracted to me. I don’t know why you girls aren’t attracted to me, but I will punish you all for it. It’s an injustice, a crime, because… I don’t know what you don’t see in me. I’m the perfect guy and yet you throw yourselves at these obnoxious men instead of me, the supreme gentleman.

Comments from Sina Weibo:

垚-鑫:

It wasn’t until I was 27 that I first touched a woman, and it was only by spending money hiring a prostitute, but did I ever think of killing people [because of it]?

胡书宁:

He looks quite handsome, why not find a boyfriend?

银河汽车俱乐部:

A 32-year-old virgin floats by…

钻颅磨魂放血鬼:

It wasn’t until I was 26 that I escaped being a virgin and I’ve never killed anyone, except quite a lot of descendents [sperm, from a lot of masturbation]…

好清欢:

I really want to upvote all of the virgin guys in the comments.

冷人:

A mass murdering “gentleman”? If there wasn’t something wrong with him, how could he not be liked by others? The facts prove that those girls were right in their evaluations of him, which is that he’s full of himself, and nothing more than excessively self-absorbed and self-centered bastard.

铜爵汽车养护:

Talk about not seeing the big picture, you’re just 22, I’m 28, and still…

我最没溜儿:

Why not try finding a boyfriend? [呵呵]

以梦为马行天涯:

I’m already 24 years old, you all better watch out…

张兴波-Designer:

I’m 24 and still a virgin. Am I also supposed to punish [people]? And then kill myself? [生病][生病][生病]

个人利益高于一切1:

His name is Elliot Rodger, the son of Hunger Games Assistant Director Peter Rodger, a rich second generation, with a BMW and mansion. Go to China and there would be countless girls fighting to let you have sex with them.

小草千千结:

It is precisely because you are a virgin that no one likes you! Like me, I prefer guys with experience.

大大大尾巴哥:

Sigh, I’m pretty much like you, but where I beat you is that my dormmate saved me in my 23rd year.

Pilgrim_ice:

I’m 26 and still a virgin [girl]. That doesn’t mean I have no charm [am not attractive], it’s called knowing my bottom line and being responsible.

橘和希:

Someone born in 1991 and still a virgin who still hasn’t had his first kiss floats by~

庐山雨浙江潮:

Bring out all the 22-year-olds who are still virgins, let them kill six people each, and the human race on earth will probably be extinguished.

扎根1982:

In today’s world, as long as you are capable and have talent, there’s no reason to fear girls not wanting you. You’re just 22 years old and still a virgin, whereas I was still a virgin [girl] up until I was 27! If you can make it till you’re 30 and have some success in your career, then wouldn’t there be a line of girls behind your ass chasing after you? Talk about not seeing the big picture!!!

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  • Kai

    Okay, guys, never let it be said I never did anything for you all.

    This Weibo post didn’t make the top 10 the day it came out, or the days after. It has about 5k comments and was only reshared about 10k times, which isn’t bad but nothing spectacular.

    The story also didn’t seem to get much play on the major web portals during my investigation. This is also pretty surprising to me because I would’ve expected it to get a bit more attention than it has, given the core narrative of someone going on a killing spree ostensibly just because he’s still a virgin. Now, I personally think that’s a much more attention-grabbing aspect of this story than the fact that he was half-Chinese (his mother is ethnic Chinese-Malaysian I think) and that his first victims were also ethnic Chinese. The latter two aspects didn’t seem to boost mainland Chinese attention to this story, and not more so than his state of virginity.

    There’s a lot of coverage and attention on this story in the US media, but we’re not seeing much in China. I wouldn’t say it’s a non-story, but it doesn’t seem to be nearly as big as I personally would’ve thought it could be.

    Here’s some general information:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Isla_Vista_killings
    http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Elliot_Rodger

    • Alex Dương

      I think a good chunk of the attention in the U.S. is that this tragedy is another opportunity to renew the gun control debate.

      • Mighty曹

        Down with NRA!

        • Alex Dương

          Apparently, Rodger purchased his firearms legally. California has very strict gun laws, but they did not stop this.

          • Mighty曹

            That’s what disturbs me most. He has a long history of mental illness yet he was able to legally buy firearms. Yes, Calif has a waiting period to purchase guns (supposedly for background check) so who/what failed??? This definitely needs to be fixed quickly.

          • Alex Dương

            I think many parties are pissed that Rodger basically slipped through every contingency. He was never involuntarily committed, so I think his background check showed no history of mental illness. Police actually visited him last month, but he was able to put on a fake personality that convinced them nothing was wrong. His therapist immediately contacted his parents upon receiving his “manifesto,” but by then it was too late.

          • Mighty曹

            I’m not sure if he put on a fake personality but the police reported that he was “shy but acted normal”. I really don’t think the police are trained for this type of screening or evaluation on the behavior of a mentally ill person. This raised the question whether or not the police were made aware of his mental illness or were they just told to go and check on his well being?

          • ikoihil

            This is where I think that police shouldn’t be called in to do a mental welfare check (though they had to have some inkling that something wasn’t right, because they don’t do many mental well-being checks on people who aren’t mentally ill) – someone trained in assessing someone’s mental well-being should have performed this task. This is a wealthy neighborhood in which he lived; and I believe I heard they have several mental health professionals available through their police department.

          • Mighty曹

            I think the police’s main concern to identify and contain or eliminate an immediate threat. Often a mentally disturbed person is shot/killed by the police because he/she acted in a threating manner. It doesn’t matter if the person is mentally ill but if he posed a threat he’s going to be taken down. That’s what the police are trained for.
            Btw, it’s good to see you! Haven’t seen you here for a while. :D

          • ikoihil

            You’re right, it has been a hot minute since I’ve been around. Good to see you again. ;D

            And you’re right about the police’s concern to identify and contain/eliminate an immediate threat – however, (in this instance) they were called about worrisome videos he’d posted online, and weren’t there to subdue him for an immediate threat. The police grossly failed, I think, in overlooking firearm ownership records and *future* dangers the kid presented, and by not involving a mental health professional for a more thorough check.

            I’m curious about the psychiatrist he was supposedly seeing for treatment, as well, since they’re legally obligated to report any possible threats their patient may post to society.

          • noodles76

            The police, unfortunately, cannot act on the possibility of future dangers in many cases. Unless by future you mean imminent. Otherwise, they’d be locking up a sizable percentage of the population on a daily basis.

            Even if the police had known he owned weapons/firearms…if they were legally obtained there would not have been anything they could do about it.

            As to, getting a mental health professional involved….you make it sound so simple. Like they are falling off of trees waiting to be beckoned by the police. He did not appear to be a threat. Problem is that many dangerous people do not appear dangerous until it’s too late. If the guy was walking around in his boxers muttering under his breath about killing folks he would have been taken in most likely but he presented himself as a rational young man. It’s more than a little likely that even if a mental health professional was on the scene that no red flags would have been raised in a single short meeting. The kid wasn’t a raving lunatic. In his mind, his actions were rational and justified.

          • ikoihil

            My post was simply not an invitation to be chided by you.

            There were numerous individuals who expressed concern, and when they reached out to his family, they were reassured that mental health professionals “had it under control.” He DID appear to be a threat, but was briefly evaluated by police, who have little training in mental health assessments (unless they are immediate threats, as Mighty曹 pointed out earlier, at which point they are usually put in a 5150 hold after being tased a few times or shot). Had police known he owned several firearms, and was making online threats, I will bet my car he would have been put on a 5150 hold for a mandatory 72 hour eval. until they’re positive he is not a danger to himself or to others. Weapons elevate the threats to another level, which would then necessitate the psychiatric hold.

            The kid WAS a raving lunatic in the videos he posted & in some conversations with friends prior to his “day of reckoning” – unless you watched his videos and simply think his thought patterns, violence, and objectification of women are common and usual (which says quite a bit about you, if so).

            You should probably be more familiar with the case before defending the kid as seemingly sane, or else you’ll look like the guy who accidentally left his tinfoil hat at home while muttering death wishes upon his enemies.

          • ikoihil

            Here ya go, you can learn your one new thing for the day: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5150_%28Involuntary_psychiatric_hold%29

          • Mighty曹

            Everyone connected to the case had failed. Namely the system failed. It’s troubling to wonder how many other ‘Elliot Rodgers’ are out there? I was telling my friend, while we were chatting over coffee at a mall, of the grim reality that, “At this very moment we are not safe”.

          • ikoihil

            I know what you mean. Serial killers flock to the area in which I live. Because of all the waterways (convenient disposal of evidence), ease in traveling across county/city lines, and municipal police refusing to work with each other, it creates a paradise for unsolved murders and disappearances. Per research I’ve done with a private investigator, there are more than 250 missing/murdered individuals along a 50 mile long stretch of highway between Houston and Galveston, just since the 1960s. My mother and high school best friend included.

            Police rarely solve cases unless the evidence is presented to them wrapped up and bearing a bow on top. Yes, everyone failed in Elliot Rodger’s case, and in ALL the cases down here. It is so sad for the families of ALL the victims.

            You’re not safe in public, or in the dark, or if your car breaks down on the road.

            At least you’re male though…

          • Mighty曹

            !!!!! *hug So sorry about your mom and best friend. Hope you have found some closure and are able to live on. That’s something that most of us can never comprehend not having experience such tragedy.

          • ikoihil

            I disclosed that bit of information to reinforce that you’re right: you’re not always ‘safe’ – keep your eyes up & scanning in parking lots, in unfamiliar places, and take notice when people are acting strangely. Often, your gut feeling or instinct tells you the truth even when your mind tries to suppress and/or rationalize away the threat.

            I have found closure more about my mom’s than my friend’s disappearance, since my mom’s body was found and Jessica’s was never located (I cannot fathom the pain her parents must bear, in never seeing their daughter again; same with my friend’s mother who disappeared 6 months after my mom was killed – they only found these women’s vehicles and no trace of them).

            I am certainly a stronger person than I would have been, had I not lived through the losses and death I’ve been touched by. Thank you for the hug and condolences.

            I feel like it is my duty to speak to people about how common deadly violence is, and how to avoid being a victim. It may seem silly, or overprotective, but I do ask friends to please text me when they safely arrive in their home after a night out, and encourage others to make that a habit as well.

            Police do not like these unsolved murders and disappearances to be publicized, of course; this gives the public a false sense of security. Just like the breakdowns in Elliot Rodger’s case will only be revealed after thorough investigations probably leading up to civil litigation because there is no question about the liability in his case(s).

          • Mighty曹

            Thank you for sharing such profound life changing experience with people who are just not aware of the limitations that exist within our infrastructure. I should expand my concern to a broader base as you. I used to only check on friends during major holidays when more DUI’s are on the roads. Violent crime was never even on my mind.

        • Eurotrash

          Long live the NRA!!!

          • Mighty曹

            Where the eff have you been?
            Btw: I down vote your comment.

      • Mateusz82

        Since he stabbed people to death, in addition to using a gun… obviously it’s about gun control… because reasons!

        • Alex Dương

          I disagree with many views held by the gun control movement. I’m only pointing out that one reason for this story’s attention in the U.S. is that it does renew the “debate.”

          • Mateusz82

            Ah, didn’t mean that you were making that claim. I just meant that those who use this tragedy as a way to push gun control are hurting their own cause by the weakness of their arguments.

          • Alex Dương

            I agree. Rodger did not use “assault weapons” to commit his murders. He used ten-round magazines in his handguns. And as you referred to earlier, his first three victims were stabbed to death.

    • christina

      Thanks Kai!

      I am really surprised at the lack of traction considering his ethnicity and his victims’ ethnicities.

      I read his manifesto and am flabbergasted at the discrepancy between who he says he wants to kill and who he actually kills.
      I think it shows intense self-hatred, particularly of his asian half.

      • Kai

        I saw 140 pages and didn’t even bother, so I’ve only read reported excerpts of it that I think even with context paints him as someone who is mindbogglingly divorced from reality. His tone and mannerisms in his video are also unbelievable. I have no idea how anyone can say any of that shit with a straight face.

        • Surfeit

          ‘mindbogglingly divorced from reality’ = KEY WORDS.

      • Zappa Frank

        You talk like if he just killed Chinese while most victims were not. Self hatred and in particular his half asian part is a forced lecture…. Why does he should? He wrote more than hundreds pages saying whatever was in his mind without even mentioning that… Is it hard to believe that ‘race’ is not part of anything here?

        • Surfeit

          Racist. You are? He is? She is?

          • Zappa Frank

            We are

          • Surfeit

            Bamn! Right in the kisser!

        • Alex Dương

          You talk like if he just killed Chinese while most victims were not.

          He killed three people, three of whom were ethnically Chinese and three of whom were white.

          Is it hard to believe that ‘race’ is not part of anything here?

          That’s hard to believe in this case. But you don’t have to take my word for it; judge for yourself:

          I came across this Asian guy who was talking to a white girl. The sight of that filled me with rage. I always felt as if white girls thought less of me because I was half-Asian, but then I see this white girl at the party talking to a full-blooded Asian. I never had that kind of attention from a white girl! And white girls are the only girls I’m attracted to, especially the blondes. How could an ugly Asian attract the attention of a white girl, while a beautiful Eurasian like myself never had any attention from them?

          Rodger also expressed similar sentiments against blacks.

          • Zappa Frank

            Ok I was evidently wrong on the victims. Still seems to me forced the ‘racial’ vision… With all he wrote if think a part about hating his half asian part would have leaked out

          • Alex Dương

            He identified as “Eurasian,” but it was clear that he hated Asian men. Do you disagree from what I quoted?

          • Zappa Frank

            I don’t read a self hatred for his ‘half asian part’ in it, he says he is a beautiful Eurasian. Even that he hate asian men I think doesn’t seem so crystalline, maybe was a moment of anger, maybe that Asian was really ugly, or more likely that Asian made he lost his excuse for not being able to catch a girl..from here his anger. However I think is not enough to say he hated all Asians men… Maybe he did, but in my opinion those lines do not say it that clearly.

          • Alex Dương

            OK, Frank, if what I quoted wasn’t enough, I can give you more:

            Shoes won’t help you get white girls. White girls are disgusted by you, silly little Asian.

            Full Asian men are disgustingly ugly and white girls
            would never go for you. You’re just butthurt that you were born as an asian piece of shit, so you lash out by linking these fake pictures. You even admit that you wish you were half white. You’ll never be half-white and you’ll never fulfill your dream of marrying a white woman. I suggest you jump off a bridge.

            Still want to deny that he hated Asian men?

            PS: Did you check the link I gave for the first quote? IMO, he wasn’t ugly at all:

            http://laist.com/attachments/laist_emma/isla-vista-party.jpg

          • Zappa Frank

            I was evidently wrong… You are right.

          • Surfeit

            The confusion between racial and preferential.

          • christina

            read the primary documents before spouting off next time

            “I am half White, half Asian, and this made me different from the normal fully-white kids that I was trying to fit in with”

            He states he isn’t cool which is compounded by the fact he’s not fully white and that he had to fix it.

            “I had to make every effort to rectify this. I had to adapt.
            My first act was to ask my parents to allow me to bleach my hair blonde. I always envied and admired blonde-haired people, they always seemed so much more beautiful.”

            ^ That was in one of the first chapters of the manifesto

            It leaked out but you evidently didn’t even bother to do a quick google search before asserting your baseless claims

          • Zappa Frank

            Did you read what I wrote below or you like to arrive when everything is finished by long time?

          • christina

            Of course I read it- waste of 5 minutes.
            Above you clearly state you still think the racial aspect of his ranting would’ve leaked if it’d been in the manifesto, once again demonstrating your complete ignorance of the matter.

            That’s what I was addressing.

          • Zappa Frank

            In other words you like waste your time and address people just for the pleasure of doing it…god job as moderator

          • christina

            of course mr. frank, no hard feelings at all

            I generally like and agree with the majority of your comments and think they’re rather thoughtful.

          • Surfeit

            ‘ethnically Chinese’ as opposed to ‘white’….. Do you see the problem in those words?

          • Alex Dương

            No. Why don’t you point out what the “problem” is? (Other than that I should’ve said he killed six people.)

          • Surfeit

            That’s racist.

          • Alex Dương

            O…K…mind explaining why it’s “racist”?

          • Surfeit

            There’s no reasoning with racists.

          • Alex Dương

            Troll harder, chum.

          • Surfeit

            You spelt chump wrong.

          • Alex Dương

            I didn’t mean to spell “chump.” I meant to and did spell “chum.”

          • Surfeit

            I aint chums with no racist foos!

          • Alex Dương

            Now I can call you a chump.

          • Surfeit

            E’EEEEE!!!!!!!!!

          • Surfeit

            C’mon then, back to panic buying.

          • Alex Dương
          • Mateusz82

            It should be “ethnically American” as opposed to “yellow”, and he should be talking about how he came across this yellow guy talking to an American girl.

          • Alex Dương

            Hmm, last time I checked, white =|= American.

          • Mateusz82

            You are correct, just as “yellow” =/= “Asian”. It is fallacious to use “Asian” for race, or as a skin color. “Asian” would be the same category as “European”, while “Yellow” would be in the same category as “White”. Asia is a continent, the same way Europe is a continent, or America is a continent (two, North American and South America, if you want to be technical), while “white” is a color.

          • Alex Dương

            Actually, if you want to venture into this territory, there’s only one race, and that’s the human race. So contrary to Surfeit’s idiotic reply, my statement that Rodger “killed six people, three of whom were ethnically Chinese and three of whom were white” is neither racist nor problematic, especially given the context in which I was replying to Frank.

          • Mateusz82

            Humans would be a species, not a race. Either way, your statement is still racist (maybe not intentionally, but it is), and it’s problematic in that it’s simply incorrect. You might as well say that “three were ethnically American, and three were yellow”, as either would be equally absurd.

          • Alex Dương

            Race is a social construct. Not only does race categorization change over time, but it can even vary by country.

            If you think that statement is racist, then you don’t even know how racism is defined. Saying that three of Rodger’s victims were white and three were ethnically Chinese has no connotations of racial superiority or inferiority. Nor is it incorrect, as those were the facts.

          • Mateusz82

            True to a point. It is a social construct, but it’s not completely arbitrary and random. Star Trek fans, tall people, hockey players, Londoners, and stamp collectors aren’t considered races.

            I do know how it is defined. That is how it is racist. I’ll break it down. Skin color is not the same as country. Saying that they were “ethnically Chinese” when you mean they had certain physical traits that made them Chinese is racist as it excludes those without said physical traits from being Chinese. There are Chinese people who are white, and to state that they, due to being white, are not ethnically Chinese, is a statement based on ethnic nationalism, blut und boden.

            You could also make a statement that “Three of the victims were of Chinese ancestry, and three were of Polish ancestry” (or whatever ancestry they were of, though it’s telling that only for the victims of Chinese ancestry, does it matter).

            If you were to compare the victims by country of origin, Chinese or American (“Three were Chinese, and three were American”), then there would not be a racist statement. If you wanted to draw attention to skin color (“Three were white, and three were yellow), that would not be a racist statement, as it uses the same category, and does not imply that only people of a certain color are allowed to be part of a certain country.

            The racist part is using “Chinese” in place of skin color. I have met white people who were ethnically Chinese, and to say “Chinese” when you only mean “Han Chinese” or people who have a similar appearance, is a slap in the face to the Chinese minorities, and would be like saying George Takei is yellow, or “foreigner”, while Leonard Nimoy is ethnically American. Both people are equally American, regardless of skin color.

            To put is simpler, skin color =/= country, and treating them as the same category is the racist part.

          • Alex Dương

            Saying that they were “ethnically Chinese” when you mean they had certain physical traits that made them Chinese is racist as it excludes those without said physical traits from being Chinese.

            That is not racist. Having “certain physical traits that makes [someone] Chinese” does not make that person superior or inferior to another person who does not have those physical traits.

            There are Chinese people who are white, and to state that they, due to being white, are not ethnically Chinese, is a statement based on ethnic nationalism, blut und boden.

            No, it’s not. You are confusing ethnicity with nationality. Almost all Chinese Singaporeans are ethnically Chinese, but they are not PRC or ROC citizens. Conversely, the people you’re referring to are PRC or ROC citizens, but they are not ethnically Chinese. There is nothing racist or “ethnically nationalist” about these facts.

            I have met white people who were ethnically Chinese, and to say “Chinese” when you only mean “Han Chinese” or people who have a similar appearance, is a slap in the face to the Chinese minorities, and would be like saying George Takei is yellow, or “foreigner”, while Leonard Nimoy is ethnically American. Both people are equally American, regardless of skin color.

            Chinese minorities are not Han Chinese, therefore they are not ethnically Chinese. This is completely irrelevant because one does not have to be ethnically Chinese to be a Chinese citizen.

            I assume you’re either German or Polish. If not, please let me know. Turkish Germans are German citizens, but they are not ethnically German. This is not racist or “ethnically nationalist.” German Poles are Polish citizens, but they are not ethnically Polish. Again, this is not racist or “ethnically nationalist.”

            Your “point” is horribly confused because you conflate ethnicity with nationality, and you think ethnicity is a precondition for nationality. Neither is true for the U.S. or for China.

          • Mateusz82

            My point is that you are conflating race and nationality. That is the racist part. Chinese minorities are ethnically Chinese. To say otherwise is racist, as it states that here is only one ethnicity that is allowed to be Chinese. They are not ethnically Han, but Han =/= Chinese, except in the mind of ethnic nationalists.

            The problem is the point might be too complex, but I have tried to make it as simple as possible.

            I am not a Polish citizen, though I have Polish ancestry. However, I would not e that claim that makes me uniquely able to claim myself as “Polish”. I would not say that I am more worthy of the title “Polish” than someone of a different skin color, or say that someone is half-Polish, half-yellow (for example), as such would indicate a belief that people of a certain skin color are precluded from being Polish. That is the ideology you’re espousing when you use statements like “White victims, and Chinese victims”.

            If you read through, you’d learn that I explicitly stated that ethnicity is not a condition for nationality, and that I was speaking against that very idea, the idea that you were putting forth. Your own comments treat nationality as the same as ethnicity, and make the assumption that nationality should be based on race.

            Ethnic nationalism is the belief that ethnicity is tied to nationality, and that only certain ethnicities (or a single ethnicity) may lay claim to a nationality status. That is exactly what you are holding when you claim that Han Chinese are the only Chinese, with minorities not “ethnically Chinese”, and that Han are Chinese no matter where they live. That is the concept of “blood and soil” (blut und boden), as mentioned before.

          • Alex Dương

            My point is that you are conflating race and nationality.

            No, that’s what you’re doing. Chinese minorities do not have to be ethnically Chinese to be Chinese citizens.

            The problem is the point might be too complex, but I have tried to make it as simple as possible.

            No, the problem is that you don’t know what racism is, and you don’t know what the difference between ethnicity and nationality is.

            That is the ideology you’re espousing when you use statements like “White victims, and Chinese victims”.

            No, I am not.

            Your own comments treat nationality as the same as ethnicity, and make the assumption that nationality should be based on race.

            No, they do not.

            That is exactly what you are holding when you claim that Han Chinese are the only Chinese, with minorities not “ethnically Chinese”, and that Han are Chinese no matter where they live.

            As I said, Chinese minorities do not have to be ethnically Chinese to be Chinese citizens. Not being ethnically Chinese doesn’t make them any less (or more) Chinese than Han Chinese.

            All you’re doing is misreading my comments and then arguing against a misread of my comments.

          • Mateusz82

            The problem is that you don’t understand the concepts of race and nationality (or you do, and you’re just being intentionally obtuse).

            They are Chinese, ethnically Chinese. They aren’t Han Chinese, but Han are not the only ones permitted to be part of the nation (except under the view of ethnic nationalists).

            I do know what racism is… it’s what you’re espousing. I tried to simplify it, but you still are unable to understand. I can’t make it any simpler.

            You may be unintentionally racist. You seem to understand that racism is a bad thing, hence why you don’t want to admit to it, but the view that only one race can belong to a country, and that one race is more entitled to really be a part of that nation, is racism. Other groups that share your ideology would be the Ku Klux Klan (“Only white Americans can be truly Americans), or the British National Party (“Only Anglo Saxons are truly part of the British nation, with minorities being able to live in Britain, but they’re always foreigners.”). That falls in line with “Only Han are ethnically Chinese. Minorities are not as Chinese as them.”

            Minorities are not merely Chinese citizens. They are Chinese, and their ethnicity doesn’t preclude them from being Chinese.

            All I’m doing is I’m reading your comments, and commenting in response. If you honestly don’t know what racism is, that would explain how you can make racist statements. I could try to explain it, but it only would be beneficial if you’d listen.

          • Alex Dương

            They are Chinese, ethnically Chinese. They aren’t Han Chinese, but Han are not the only ones permitted to be part of the nation (except under the view of ethnic nationalists).

            I never said Han is the only group permitted to be part of the Chinese nation. Stop misreading my words; it is getting very annoying. Chinese minorities are a part of the Chinese nation; they are Chinese citizens. But they are not ethnically Chinese. Only the Han are ethnically Chinese.

            There’s a relatively large Korean Chinese minority in Yanbian. They’re Chinese citizens, and they’re a part of the Chinese nation. But they aren’t ethnically Chinese. They’re ethnically Korean. Their being ethnically Korean doesn’t make them any less or any more Chinese than Han Chinese.

            the view that only one race can belong to a country, and that one race is more entitled to really be a part of that nation, is racism.

            And that’s not what I’m espousing. Stop misreading my words.

            That falls in line with “Only Han are ethnically Chinese. Minorities are not as Chinese as them.”

            Provide the link where I said those words verbatim, or else shut the fuck up. Let me repeat that once more with emphasis: provide the link where I said those words verbatim, or else shut the fuck up.

          • Mateusz82

            Do you even know what you write? You said that Han are the only ethnic Chinese. Do you wish for me to quote you? What’s annoying is when you write something, I respond to it, and you refuse to acknowledge what you wrote. They are ethnically Chinese (here you are contradicting what you just said). They are as much Chinese as Han, and to say otherwise, as you just got done doing, is racist.

            Yes, it does make them less, to be considered not “ethnically Chinese”. They are not ethnically Han, but they are just as Chinese as the Han.

            If you don’t want me to read your words, stop typing them, or at least take care as to what you say.

            “There’s a relatively large Korean Chinese minority in Yanbian. They’re Chinese citizens, and they’re a part of the Chinese nation. But they aren’t ethnically Chinese. They’re ethnically Korean. Their being ethnically Korean doesn’t make them any less or any more Chinese than Han Chinese.”

            There. That’s where you said exactly what I was accusing you of saying. The biggest different between you and the KKK, or the British National Party, is that these groups acknowledge their racism. You want to be racist, but also pretend to be above it. Either you espouse racist views (“Only the Han are ethnically Chinese.”), and own up to what you said, or you reevaluate your racism, and drop it. You can’t be racist and also get mad when you’re called out on your racism.

          • Alex Dương

            You said that Han are the only ethnic Chinese. Do you wish for me to quote you?

            Yeah, I said that, and I stand by that. Now where’s the second part? Where did I say “Minorities are not as Chinese as them”? Provide the link to where I said that, or else shut the fuck up.

            They are ethnically Chinese (here you are contradicting what you just said).

            Show the contradiction, or else shut the fuck up.

            Yes, it does make them less, to be considered not “ethnically Chinese”.

            No, it doesn’t. Once again, you conflate ethnicity with nationality, and then you accuse me of supporting ethnic nationalism. This is bullshit. Stop.

            If you don’t want me to read your words, stop typing them, or at least take care as to what you say.

            Stop misreading my words.

            That’s where you said exactly what I was accusing you of saying.

            You’re a fucking dumbass. I say “Their being ethnically Korean doesn’t make them any less or any more Chinese than Han Chinese,” and you tell me that I said the opposite of what I said. Fuck you. I’m out.

    • lonetrey / Dan

      Thank you Kai!

    • Insomnicide

      Thanks for bothering, I was expecting the news to yield some interesting discussion but it seems everything has already been said.

    • Fracist

      Good job, bro.

  • I understand how he feels. Maybe someday…I hope I can kiss a real women…that’s still alive

    • bang2tang

      Only kissing? It’s easy for you to bang your own actress who starred on your bukkake movies.

      • BUKKAKE porn is my job….it has nothing to do with love. I want to love….and be loved….is that so wrong?

      • firebert5

        Small steps

    • Mighty曹

      How many blow up dolls do you have in your collection?

      • lucky 8

        • Mighty曹

          I got 2 used ones to sell. Still in good condition.

          • Surfeit

            多少?

          • Mighty曹

            $5 for the ‘Made in PRC’ and $30 for ‘Made in Japan’.

  • Wololoo

    Seeing all the Chinese men, I can understand so many girls are still a virgin in China and waiting for their foreign saviour.

    • bang2tang

      still virgin? haha :D

    • Mighty曹

      LMAO!

    • Zsari Maxim

      Chinese virgin girls? That’s a myth.

    • whuddyasack

      At the end of the day, I think almost all Chinese girls prefer Chinese men to foreign manchildren who do nothing but disparage Chinese males. Rodger is a prime example of this phenomena, his words echoing what many “foreigners” say here. And who could blame them, at least rejecting these guys means they get to keep their lives. At least.

      • Zappa Frank

        Almost all Chinese girls prefer Chinese men? Ever been in china? So how come so many singles Chinese men while even the most disgusting foreigner find a girl in no time? For money? Ah yes while notoriously Chinese girls marry Chinese men for love….of cars and houses

        • whuddyasack

          I’m not sure what you are talking about. Of course I have been there. Lots of times. I think even you know the below isn’t really true

          even the most disgusting foreigner find a girl in no time

          seeing as many of those single Chinese men probably can have a much better chance for the same girls so-called most disgusting foreigners chase. I think the girls are naively lured by the prospect of a green card or material benefits and if given a choice between a Chinese man with a cars and houses vs super disgusting foreigner, it’s obvious who the girl will go for 100% of the time. Even some white girls would choose the Chinese guy over such losers. One thing for sure, in a country of much higher economic status, e.g. Japan, Korea, HK, etc. disgusting foreigner’s chances are slim to none.

          • Zappa Frank

            Facts prove you are wrong. Foreigners find girls in no time. Chinese men struggle to find a girl. Is it about economic? Maybe, but isn’t the same with Chinese men, isn’t about economic? Who is fault if Chinese girls first look for economic status? You should not think so low of Chinese girls, actually I know many cases where the Chinese girl is richer by far than her foreigner partner, for sure is not a relation about money…
            Second point is foreigners are considered handsome, never seen in a mono racial country so many advertisement with another race as model of beauty.
            Later point that you like to ignore, not all foreigners are super disgusting and not all Chinese are that good.. And having a chance they choose what they think is more handsome, I still remember girls cry and screaming “you are too handsome” to one of my friends in chongqing….he seemed like a superstar or something, I don’t think was about money or green cards …but I can understand that the fact that actually they do like us more than many Chinese makes you feel uncomfortable

          • whuddyasack

            Sorry, I misunderstood you. I thought you were saying the “most disgusting foreigner” does much better than the average Chinese guy. Which is rubbish.

            By facts, do you mean preference? If so, you need to be a bit more realistic. Some Chinese struggle to find a girl, but so do some white males assuming we’re talking about back home. You ask if it is economic? Economy is one factor, being poor and having a crappy job slaving hours in a field or factory, or collecting garbage isn’t attractive to any woman especially in a developing country. Most foreigners are better off than some locals. Then there is also the fact that many white men come to China with the intention of finding a wife. You’ve mentioned the importance of numbers before. So what is the percentage of Chinese marrying Chinese vis-a-vis white foreigner? Probably in the decimals of a percent. If we’re talking about marriage, something like a greencard or assurance that the foreigner is “committed” is important, and there’s quite many naive Chinese who marry with the belief that the partner is serious. I hate irresponsible liars who make empty promises, just saying. A long distance relationship requires great effort and often fails.

            Lastly, there are those that truly have fallen in love with a foreigner, not because of “race” but because that happens to be the case. I’ve told you before that for the girl, I prefer a good foreign husband (even if he is Black) to a bad Chinese husband. And unlike most, I’m actually impartial since I’m not big on Chinese husband x white wife either but wish for happiness if they are both happy. There are reasons.

            Self-hating individuals are “rare” but to use them as representative of all Chinese girls is quite sad. It’s like me saying all white girls love Asian guys because many are into Jpop and Kpop.

            I’ve explained to you already the concepts behind using foreign and foreign looking models. The average Chinese prefers an appearance that is more native as evidenced by the most popular celebrities in their country, 99% Asian.

          • whuddyasack

            It’s funny that you came to this conclusion.
            Uncomfortable, you’ve used the right word but the wrong reason. Some Chinese women like foreigners but many, many more prefer Chinese partners. For most Chinese members here who watch Chinese reality TV, they know what I’m talking about ;-)

            Now this is what makes me uncomfortable:

            The filthy, disgusting racist attitudes many have towards Chinese women. They are also constantly being compared to other women and given ratings by losers that can never get laid anyway. I didn’t miss the fact that rape, assault and sexual threats said in a racist manner are real problems that Asian girls face. How would you feel if someone stereotyped Italian/white women as dirty prostitutes or made comments like them being only good for “fucking and discarding”? The one thing I’ve
            never done is call a woman that, and to call an entire group of women just that because of her race is so utterly disgusting, it makes me want to throw up. But then I read the sickening crap bitter white faggots say about their own women and I’m left wondering why should Asian women go out with them in the first place. I personally think they are all the same people, just like POS.

            So yes, unlike what you think, it’s things like this that make me uncomfortable. Maybe if white men actually spoke up and did something about this instead of being tight lipped cowards defending their own criminals I wouldn’t care as much. Everytime there is an article on rape, I see the most vile losers defending the rapists/pedophiles. If an Asian male raped a white female, I’d never defend the rapist so why can’t these creeps do the same?

            Frank, I hope this is clear. You asked me why I view things my way and I’ve answered. I really don’t want to reach a point where it gets too personal or become “too insulting”. Like I said, I’m fond of you as a person and that hasn’t changed. I don’t agree with you in everything and recently, I think I don’t you agree with me at all. In fact, I’m not even angry at you, it takes a lot of effort to do that. In fact, it is amusing and surprising. You can call me racist if it makes you feel better, it makes no difference to me.

          • Zappa Frank

            you said that almost all chinese girls would prefer to have a chinese husband. Almost all i get is around 99%.. now i think that is wrong, that given the possibility (most of chinese have never talked with a foreigner) . More, i tell you straight, i think your position is extremely offensive for anyone like me and many others here, with a chinese wife, because as good with implication that they stay with us only for our passport (depite the fact that at least my wife would never leave china and would never change passport),, besides this imply also a low respect for chinese girls, that stay with foreigners not by free choice or for love but only because they are gold digger, and so on… now this is the respect you say whites lack, but seems you lack either.

            Than again you talked about whites do this and that, i have to say that most of the problems you talk about are americans problems and i’ve never heard about those in my life…anyway i do not deny there are whites that do as you said, but still what piss me off is that you use exactly the same meter of people bashing chinese males for the action of few, there is no difference in you saying that and other saying chinese are bitches because they did not help even during a homicide, just taking pictures.. you are the same as them, just different position, i hope you realize this. Than really, talk about episodes of what happen is not something that important, we live in china and we saw all many cases of domestic violences, just yesterday a husband was beating her wife under my eyes while i was walking back home.. now if i were you i would make of this a chinese people fault, while actually was only that chiese that was beating her wife and not the whole population and an episode or even more we saw has no significance in order to judge a population, like apparently you do just reading internet comments of some whites people

          • whuddyasack

            But I also said this, so there is a difference:

            Lastly, there are those that truly have fallen in love with a foreigner. I’ve told you before that for the girl, I prefer a good foreign husband (even if he is Black) to a bad Chinese husband.

            Frank, thank you for being honest with me. I’m sorry if you are offended but I never had such an intention in the first place. That’s why I don’t flip out at you and others who have Asian wives. I feel you are good, responsible people. It’s actually very offensive of you to think that I think bad of Chinese girls at all. When I talk about economics, I don’t talk about “gold diggers”. I’m talking about women with a socioeconomic disadvantage who are taken advantage of by foreign predators who know this. The only one that disgusts me is the foreigner, and those that defend such a piece of crap.

            Do some Chinese engage in this? Yes. Do I get angry at them? Yes. But here’s the difference. Whenever a rape/pedophile or exploitation article is brought up, as long as the perpetrator is white (but Black, Indian or Arab will suffice) there’s almost NO condemnation from white posters here. Everyone jumps to defend the foreigner and make slut-shaming and slut-blaming comments on the Chinese female. Or say that Chinese do it too. When Chinese males rise up to defend the Chinese girl, oho racism is brought up. It makes me wonder why bother being balanced with such a primitive lot. Had the perpetrator been Chinese, there’d surely be 100% indignation from the “heroic crowd” aka racially chauvinistic cowards.

            And then there are the stereotypes that some losers make of Chinese girls. This is why I specifically asked you how you would feel if people stereotyped Italian women as prostitutes and only good for a screwing and discarding? I see these comments often enough yet all the white heroes remain tight-lipped about this. To them, Chinese girls are just a piece of meat, barely human. To us, they are mothers, sisters, daughters, cousins, lovers, wives and our better half. If most white people actually spoke up about it, or such comments weren’t such a frequent eyesore I’d be a lot less outspoken.

            So if it is an American problem, then why are you so defensive? Don’t stand up for those violent sexist, racist incels that kill because of their virginity.

            you said that almost all chinese girls would prefer to have a chinese husband.

            You can watch some Chinese reality TV then and see for yourself. The question is this, who do most Chinese girls marry or date? Now substitute Chinese/Asian girls with European, African and Hispanic and you’ll find the same pattern. Greater emphasis is placed on Asian females vs other females going out with white males, but I don’t mind. Asian girls are undeniably attractive, both inside and outside.

            What I have a problem with is some divisive tactics of the media and “netizens”. Mainly American, so don’t take it personally. That’s because American media thrives on racial division, conflict and racism, especially “self-racism”.

            Basically what happens is from time-to-time, the media would put the most self-hating Asian females on the spotlight and have her publicize genuinely offensive comments directed at Asian males. Comments are allowed and plenty of white males and virgins come in to bash Asian males, repeat stereotypes and use this as “proof that Asian men suck”. What happens next is some Asian men become so provoked as to spit out some truly vile content and reverse racism. The reasonable Asian male voices are drowned out by “angry, Asian men” and the media now zooms in on these angry voices. A mountain was made out of an anthill. Te end result is tension between Asian Americans, the males feel isolated and females feel violated, the rest, well… they act exactly how people act on CS. Basically, this is the quickest way to gain fame or traffic for an Asian American female working in the media. Is this is a fair representation of how Chinese girls are like in general? It’s basically like asking if Kpop/Jpop lovers who date only Asian men represent white females. Because the reality is different.

            I don’t really like to talk about interracial relationships and dynamics as it distracts from the bigger common problems for Asians out there; bullying, suicide, low birth rates, education, depression, etc. To me “yellow fever” is NOT the issue, but racially motivated criminal acts like coercion, exploitation, rape, and assault are. The lack of regulation and laws protecting the vulnerable, that’s what gets to me.

          • David

            So you are saying given the VERY BEST Chinese man (money, car good job) versus the MOST DISGUSTING foreign man, the Chinese man wins? Wow. I don’t really know what to say to that. Your probably right but what does that show? Also, when a foreign man is NOT disgusting and old and poor but young and good looking, women (not just Chinese) will constantly flirt with him.

          • whuddyasack

            No, I’m saying a decent Chinese man would trump the most disgusting foreign man all day. But it’s my fault, I probably misunderstood what Frank was trying to say because it sounded like he was saying even the most disgusting beats the average Chinese… it doesn’t really show anything.

            Also, when a foreign man is NOT disgusting and old and poor but young and good looking, women (not just Chinese) will constantly flirt with him.

            I like this quote and the gentleman’s touch.

            It’s confident and such a breath of fresh air saying how good you are after all I’ve been hearing is that “Chinese men suck and abuse their wives”. Gee whizz, I didn’t know that was part of modern Chinese culture. BTW, he doesn’t even have to be young for women to flirt with him. Good looking and nice will do. ;-)

        • Insomnicide

          I can’t believe you of all people, Zappa, would say something like this.

          • Zappa Frank

            so i have to accept that chinese girls marry foreigners for money and passport while chinese men for love.. is this right? they change their standards from foreigners to chinese males..

          • Insomnicide

            No, but I know you to be better than someone who would claim all Chinese women crave foreign men and are disgusted by Chinese men. Not only is that false, it’s also a kind of supremacist view which implies that Chinese males are somehow inherently inferior to foreigners.

            While yes, some Chinese women lust after social status or wealth. But if they married a wealthy, affluent Chinese man then it’s clear they’re more attracted to a member of their own race and ethnicity because they could have married anyone of any race with the same social status and wealth.

          • Zappa Frank

            i’ve nevre said nor implied in any of my posts that chinese women are disgusted by chinese men, that’s unnatural, how can they be disgusted by their fathers and brothers? If someone of them is disgusted in my opinion has some problem because it is more or less like self hate.

            My reply, maybe not clear, was to mean that if chinese women that stay with foreigners men for money and everything but love is something that happen the same thing happen with chinese men (of course, i don’t think i need to clearifty that sure by far it is not just chinese women, but all women, simply here we are non chinasmack and the topic is china).

            whuddy said that almost all (for me almost all means a total with few exceptions) of chinese women prefer a chinese men. First i think people prefer persons and not huge group of races, i mean i would find disturbing a chinese girl that say she prefere whites, in case she has to prefer me, not all whites.. and second i think is evident that is false, there are chinese girls that choose someone just because is white or even that do not want anyone else than another chinese and do not like white, still many just look a the person and not at the race you belong to.

          • Insomnicide

            If your point is really that it depends on the individual, then you really came from the wrong approach. Your first post “So how come so many singles Chinese men while even the most disgusting foreigner find a girl in no time? For money? Ah yes while notoriously Chinese girls marry Chinese men for love….of cars and houses” seems pretty condescending and focused on Chinese men vs foreign men.

            And you replying wuddysack who’s post was a response to a guy who was purporting the idea that foreign men are superior and Chinese men are revolting to Chinese women gives the impression that you’re supporting or continuing Wolololo’s sentiment.

            I agree not all Chinese women pursue foreign men for material possessions and not all Chinese women marry Chinese men out of love, or anything like that. There are a lot of Chinese women who do find foreign, especially whites more attractive than Chinese/Asians because they might have their own inferiority complex about being Asian. But overall, most women in China are like Dr Sun said either dating or married to Chinese men. For a number of reasons but they are with Chinese men.

            So I find it a bit odd, especially coming from someone like you to claim Chinese women all love foreign men and dislike being romantically with Chinese men or only marrying/dating them for material wealth.

            Although you’ve said that’s not what you mean, your earlier posts really do give off the wrong impression.

            Sorry for the late reply by the way.

        • Dr Sun

          Yes been to China many times, this time for over 7 years and I have to say in my opinion,( which is just based on observation) the vast majority of Chinese women are dating or married to Chinese men.
          The gender disparity, the gender selective infanticide and financial security focus which resulted from the cultural revolution , is I would suggest a better explanation for the difficulties of single men.

          • David

            Well, there are only about 200,000 foreigners in the whole of China I understand, so of course in a country of 700,000,000 women I doubt more than a 100,000 are dating foreigners (also, while they do date Japanese and Korean men, the majority that date foreigners date white men so the number is even much lower than that). Hey nobody is saying Chinese women all have yellow fever, but to pretend that plenty of them like foreign men for something other than just a green card is unrealistic and does not mesh with the experience of foreigners here.

          • Zappa Frank

            in the same time the vast majority of chinese women never have the chance to know a single foreigner. But that was not my point, what whuddy said is that almost all chinese girls would prefer marry a chinese man instead of a foreigner, means that 99% of chinese girls, if they can choose (and vast majority cannnot) would choose a chinese man… i disagree on that, no doubt that the majority (like even 60-70%) would, however i do not think our wifes are or freaks or gold diggers and i find really offensive what you guys want imply.

    • Dr Sun

      Generalize much ?

  • Q Ball

    This is a very sad story

  • bang2tang

    “It wasn’t until I was 27 that I first touched a woman, and it was only by spending money hiring a prostitute”

    bwahahahaha ROFL

    • ClausRasmussen

      “A 32-year-old virgin floats by…”

      That cracked me up

      • Surfeit

        Same here. Howled!

  • Thanks, Kai.

    Unfortunately, as I expected, this story was not faithfully represented; not once in the entire article did it ever mention the single most important fact––that he was COMPLETELY BATSHIT INSANE with a bad mix of narcissism and sociopathy.

    So many people are trying to make this story about their own pet agenda, but let’s get some things clear:

    He was lonely, but not every loner goes on a killing spree.
    He was racist, but not every racist goes on a killing spree.
    He was a virgin, but not every virgin goes on a killing spree.
    He was Eurasian, but not every Eurasian goes on a killing spree.
    He was narcissistic, but not every narcissist goes on a killing spree.
    He was spoiled, but not every spoiled person goes on a killing spree.
    He was entitled, but not every entitled person goes on a killing spree.
    He was misogynistic, but not every misogynist goes on a killing spree.
    He had Asperger’s, but not everyone with Asperger’s goes on a killing spree.

    Over the past couple of days, I’ve seen people trying to blame his killing spree on each of these things, whilst completely ignoring all the other factors. So many people have been trying to rationalize his actions through the separate contexts of misogyny, racism, narcissism, and loneliness, but you cannot ignore that this guy was also completely and utterly insane, and it was a combination of all these variables that allowed him to do what he did. Sociopathy is ultimately the foremost variable that allows people to do what he did, and even if he were a lonely, racist, virgin, self-hating, narcissistic, spoiled, entitled, misogynist with Asperger Syndrome, he STILL probably wouldn’t have done what he did had he had the sociopathy that allowed him to cruelly detach himself from the pain and suffering he caused his victims.

    And for those who ask, “Why not just hire a prostitute?”, he made it clear he also wanted love and affection. He indirectly mentioned prostitution in his manifesto as something inherently unfulfilling.

    And for those who think this could have been resolved by him just getting a girlfriend, that would not have resolved his mental problems, and for all we know he could have ended up killing her in a fit of jealous rage.

    • Wa

      Avoid a cocktail with these ingredients. Correct.

      That said, I haven’t decided if the Chinese comments above are among the most endearing or disturbing I’ve ever read on Chinasmack.

    • Kai

      Uh, are you criticizing my reporting of it by translating what was presented in a 140 character Weibo post by Sina News Video on the 25th? Seems unfair, dude.

      • Sorry, I was referring to the original Weibo news post, not your translation of it. I’ll edit my comment to make that more clear.

    • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

      Honestly I’m surprised no one pulled the ‘violent video games’ card yet.

      • Kai

        Fucking WoW.

        Oh wait, he quit WoW because too many “normal people” started playing and boasting about their ” active and pleasurable social lives” on it.

        • Surfeit

          Wow! (no pun) That is fucked up! He must have been like, not known enough to be unpopular!

      • Mighty曹

        That’s already mentioned in one of the CNN news segment.

      • I’m sure it’s been mentioned at least once, though it was so overdone in the 90s that by now it comes across as more of a self-parody than anything else.

        Make no mistake, some conspiracy theorists have been insisting that this was a false flag op (i.e., it didn’t really happen), and most white nationalists are taking the he-was-secretly-Jewish route.

      • Insomnicide

        They did. It just doesn’t fly anymore because everyone and their dogs nowadays plays violent video games.

    • ClausRasmussen

      My question is: What the f*ck was his parents doing while they should have been busy raising their kid ?

    • Fracist

      Told no lies bro, good job. People always do that shit of oh the shy and quiet are more likely to kill it’s such bullshit. I’m a quiet person (not shy) but I would never even hurt a fly. I’m manly of course but I feel bad taking the life of an ant or a roach. I usually say a prayer before killing them.

  • Mighty曹

    The Weibo story makes it more bizarre than it sounds by attributing the killing to being a virgin. The underlying cause for his crime spree is the mental issue he’s been dealing with since 8 years old. Also, his first 3 victims (the Chinese room mates) were stabbed. Not shot.

    • Tova Rischi

      Dude, he was incel and citing incel bullshit throughout his manifesto. He committed the crimes precisely because he thought he was entitled to stick his cock into someone else, not because of mental illness. He was a spoiled brat who didn’t get his way and wanted to make sure no one else could either.

      • Mighty曹

        Mental issue was the ‘underlying cause’ that prevented him from ever having a pussy. What’s so hard to understand that?

      • There are a lot of people who believe they are entitled to sex. They don’t all commit mass murder.

        • Tova Rischi

          That’s not at all what I was claiming. Plenty of spoiled brats don’t get their way; there will be some that throw tantrums, there will be some that don’t. Some tantrums will be worse than others, some won’t. What I was saying was he left a virtual paper trail across all kinds of incel sites – he was sane, but horrifically entitled and it happens that the fuckers tantrum killed people.

          • Mighty曹

            What news have you been following? He was NOT sane.

          • Tova Rischi

            Insane and evil are two different things. He wasn’t hearing voices, he wasn’t compelled by things outside his control. He was in tune with reality if his theory of how it functioned was shit. He was psychologically speaking sane. But an entitled evil little prick encouraged into a noxious worldview by other entitled little pricks.

          • Mighty曹

            There are various stages, classifications, or types of mental disorders, which are not just limited to ‘hearing . That’s what makes it even more alarming because he pretty much went under the radar.

          • If you can sit through one of his videos and by the end of it still insist that he was sane, I have some bad news for you: You’re probably insane.

            If you want to play semantics games, then perhaps he was just “mentally ill” and not technically “insane”. I don’t know the clinical distinctions, but I know for a fact that he DID have mental problems that normal people do not have.

          • Tova Rischi

            You’re right that fussing over semantics. If only because this is not like illness, there is no loss of moral culpability. There are clinical terms and their use must be very precise otherwise we risk misdiagnosis and don’t learn what to do next time someone gets swept up in the poisonous ideology. I’m not claiming he lacked mental problems. I’m claiming he wasn’t insane.

            His mental problems were hate and entitlement. Like a klansman or neonazi. Him and all the other incels.

          • His mental problems were not limited to hate and entitlement. Even when you extricate those aspects, there are still other obvious signs of mental impairment.

            Here’s an excellent comment from Reddit I encountered a few days ago that sums it up perfectly:

            There are plenty of guys in the forums where he posted who told him that personality is reason the “unworthy” Indian guy in the Honda Civic got the girl, or told him that it’s his own creepy/whiny/self-aggrandizing personality that is driving girls away. He doesn’t respond to a single one of them. But anybody who references an externality like clothing, money, car, etc., gets an immediate response from him.

            I mean that literally. In everything I’ve read, anybody who
            challenges his style or looks or wealth gets an immediate defensive response. Anyone who brings up a personality is just ignored.

            It seems like Elliot Rodger literally didn’t even know what a personality was. He just had no frame of reference for discussion of internal state at all. If you asked him to define his own personality, he probably couldn’t. Not in one single video does he talk about how great his personality is. He only speaks of how magnificent and fabulous his looks, clothes and car are, as if that’s all that defines a person.

            I can understand why, if you don’t know that personality exists, you would be absolutely baffled by why a guy who’s a 5 or a 6 could get a girl who’s a 9 or a 10, or why despite your BMW and your $300 sunglasses, girls aren’t interested in you. Trying to make him realize this would be like trying to explain to someone who has no sense of smell and has never smelled anything in his life that he has bad breath.

            Even aside from being hateful and entitled, he was socially retarded in a literal literal sense. He could not comprehend reality that way the rest of us do.

    • Kai

      Nah, it sounds just like the many other Western media reports soon after the story broke. I think it is the emphasis he placed on him still being a virgin in his last YT video that really put so much media attention on him being a virgin.

      • Mighty曹

        See response to @Tova Rischi:disqus below.

        • Kai

          I’m saying I’m not going to criticize this 140 character Weibo post for reporting on it much in the same way it was reported in the West. Just about everyone zoned in on his complaints about being a virgin.

          • Mighty曹

            Thanks for clarifying. When the video was first made public it’s true that all the focus was centered on his frustration of being shunned by women and his being a virgin simply put the sensationalism the media always aim for. But the last two nights – in extensive coverage on nightly news – the focus has been on whether or not the parents and professional services could have done more to prevent him from snapping.

          • Kai

            Yeah, I get that. Just note that the Weibo post was made at 7am on the 25th, China time. It seems unfair to me to say the Weibo post “makes it more bizarre than it sounds” given that context, because that’s how just about everyone made it sound at the time.

          • Mighty曹

            Sorry Kai, I need to get in the habit of noting the author to really understand the discussion. Remember one time I asked “who’s Joe?”. lol

          • Kai

            Nah, not the author in this case, just clicking on the source links like “From Sina Weibo” to see the original timestamp of when it was published, especially because cS often necessarily translates stuff days afterwards.

          • Mighty曹

            When someone mentioned how Joe translated the article and I asked, ‘who’s Joe’, the reply I got was ‘the author’.
            So I’m going by that guideline.

          • Kai

            Yeah, I remember that.

      • Insomnicide

        Maybe some people will soon be campaigning to ban virginity.

        • mr.wiener

          Can I line up to lose mine? ..and again tomorrow….and the day after that?

          • whuddyasack

            Gave me a chuckle. But seriously, Wiener, come on. I personally think you don’t have such a problem. I’m sure you get all the action ;-)

          • mr.wiener

            How do you prove male virginity? I’m saying if he wants to outlaw virginity there are going to be a lot of male born again virgins out there.

          • Insomnicide

            “born again virgins”…
            Is this some church dedicated to losing one’s virginity?

          • mr.wiener

            heh heh,….are you trying to give me ideas?
            Sounds more like something The Fred Fong would be into opening.

          • Insomnicide

            If you get a chapter running, don’t forget to call us!
            Add a dash of bukkake, Confucius and K-pop, and Fred will be right there with ya.

          • whuddyasack

            True, true haha. Very true.

          • mr.wiener

            In answer to your original statement, actually as a much younger wiener I had very little “game” at all. To a very small extent I can sympathies with shitferbrains Mr Rodger above….I can still remember [at 18] dressing up as a ninja at nights [homemade outfit and imitation swords] and prowling the shadows in back alleys looking for crime to fight and damsels in distress….an embarrassing period of my life to be sure.
            Good thing I lived in a small rural town. Pretty dead after 9pm. :)

            If you remind me of this admission in the future I will deny it profusely.

          • Insomnicide

            That’s actually pretty cool. You could have been a vigilante like Kick-Ass. But I guess a moderator is kind of similar. Just in virtual form.

          • whuddyasack

            But then you underwent metamorphosis and got yourself a wife, who I’d imagine is the love of your life. So there, it’s not the end of the world just because you’re still a virgin at 22. And it doesn’t ever justify killing the ones who rejected you. Count yourself lucky, that relationship goes beyond the sexual, and I’m sure it is far more fulfilling in the end.

            TBH with you, I’m not particularly shy with women haha, in fact I think I have more close female friends than male friends. But then again, I’m a little old fashioned in this respect. I prefer what’s known as discipline, honor and self-restraint. I wouldn’t do what I wouldn’t want done to my own family and friends and if I knew I could seriously mess up a girl’s relationship with her family, it’s a big NO for me. To me, getting to know a female with the ultimate intention of sex seems shallow. If both parties are willing then it’s perfectly fine with me. The problem is a lot of times, some people pretend to be serious just to get laid which is very UNFAIR for the other party.

            But who knows? I’ve heard that love really changes your perspective and makes you illogical and impulsive. Perhaps it just hasn’t happened yet?

          • Surfeit

            With the women of Amazonia?!!

        • Surfeit

          Class.

  • bang2tang

    I don’t understand he got BMW + mansion, how come there isn’t any single gold digger chasing on him? weird. He looks okay tho + I think his plump lip desirable to US girls…

    • Alex Dương
      • Interesting. Honestly, that changes a lot. Now I can see how being constantly surrounded by people much wealthier than him could have easily contributed to the general sense of envy and jealousy he felt.

        • Kai

          Yeah, his envy of wealth was another factor, added to his envy of “alpha males”.

          • Mighty曹

            And probably his misinterpretation of Penis Envy.

      • Insomnicide

        I don’t know, he drove a BMW and he bought new clothes from Giorgio Armani and Gucci every few weeks. Both his parents lived in multibedroom houses, his father had a very large multi-storied house. Seems at least upper-middle class to me.

        • Alex Dương

          The BMW was used and bought by his mother. Dunno about whether the clothes were new or how often he bought them.

    • Mighty曹

      Hahahahaha…’plump lips’. Considering all the ‘positive’ traits he had one must wonder how he presents himself in person to make people avoid him.

      • Rick in China

        What positive traits? He was f’d up, angry, spiteful, self-proclaimed incompetent, and looked like he belonged in a male strip club giving blowies behind the dumpster for tens.

        “He bought his three handguns with money saved from gifts from grandparents and the $500 a month his father sent him” If only he spent that $500 on some pussy, 6 victims would be alive. It’s weird, too, the victims don’t look like people he resented so much – hardly appear to be the players and hotties having all the sex he thought he deserved…

        • Mighty曹

          The little quotation marks indicate what was perceived by @bang2tang:disqus.

    • because he was creepy?

    • Insomnicide

      He never talked to any girls.
      He literally sat on park benches waiting for girls to approach him and chat him up or drive around town expecting girls to hop into his car.

      • SimpsonsGoldenAge

        lol I see another person has read his manifesto XD

  • Mihel

    Chinese reactions to this story are surprisingly tepid.

    Oh well, at least they aren’t whining about this dude ruining the image of China, disgracing the country or the dangers of having mixed-race children.

  • wnsk

    So, it turns out that the Chinese netizens have nothing very interesting to say about this (not sure why anyone would think otherwise, seriously.) And none of you ChinaSmackers have anything very interesting to add (to all that’s already been said) either. This story doesn’t belong on ChinaSmack at all. Bah.

    • Tova Rischi

      Chinasmack to my knowledge isn’t about what the chinese internet can contribute to a discussion, it’s about what they’re having discussions about, it’s about the most trendy articles in there social media. So you would then be having wrong expectations.

      • wnsk

        Yes, except this wasn’t a hot topic in China, as Kai mentioned. Never mind me, I’m just being grouchy.

        • Tova Rischi

          Oh. Sorry.

    • I guess you can blame me, since I sort of requested it a few days ago. I’m sure if the story were more thoroughly explained in Chinese media, Chinese netizens would have much more interesting things to say about it, but it just wasn’t a big story there so all we can go by is their casual response to a short 140-character post. Oh well, this isn’t any worse than those song translations or joke compilations. :P

      • wnsk

        No blame!

        But honestly? I doubt they would have anything different to say other than what’s already been said by America, and the rest of the world. What would *you* expect them to say? Because you’re expecting them to say something different right (otherwise what’s the point of requesting it)?

        • I’m sure many of the comments would be similar to the comments being made in the US, but the fact that he’s American might have prompted some of them to draw upon their views of American society and/or Americans in forming their opinions about this story, and the fact that he was half Chinese and half his victims were Chinese would presumably be another factor that might particularize how this story is perceived in China. I’m sure if all his victims were Chinese, that would transcend the boundaries of coincidence and would be impossible to ignore.

          I’d also like to have seen Japanese, Korean, Russian, and Indonesian responses to this story, but that seemed even less likely as those countries lack the indirect connection to this story that China has, so I didn’t bother mentioning it.

          • wnsk

            I agree with your first half, but for the Chinese connection…I don’t get why that has to be a thing at all. And I hope it (one’s ethnicity) isn’t actually a thing at all, but now–because of an incomplete report–we will never know.

            Your last statement–YES, that WOULD be a thing. But that’s not what happened in reality, so it remains a pointless hypothesis.

          • I’m not saying he did what he did because he was half Chinese or that he killed those three people because they were Chinese; I’m just saying that 50% of the people who died in this story were Chinese. That’s a large percentage.

          • wnsk

            I know you’re not saying that :]

            What I’m saying is, I don’t get why his being half-Chinese would be something remarkable to Chinese netizens. Lots of crimes get committed outside China, some of them are bound to be Chinese, would the fact of these criminals being Chinese (or half-Chinese) be remarkable in itself? i.e. Would Chinese find that remarkable? That’s what I meant by it being a “thing”; sorry for not being clear.

            3 of his victims were Chinese yeah, but we all know that’s just coincidence.

          • I’m not saying it’s remarkable. I’m saying it just makes it slightly more relevant. For example, 100% of the people who died were living in Isla Vista, which is where I used to live. Therefore, I feel more connected to this story because I lived where the incident took place and I can see myself in that situation to a relatively greater extent than others who have never lived there. I’m also a UCSB alumni, and the fact that most of the victims were UCSB students also makes it feel closer to home for me compared to someone not associated with UCSB. That’s all I mean.

          • wnsk

            Well, now we’ll never know if the Chinese found that interesting enough to comment upon.

            It’s a sad case for all involved. Hope there aren’t any more Rodgers-in-the-making. :/

    • Insomnicide

      I was expecting something, and I kind of requested it the article.
      But it ended up being a bunch of guys talking about their virginity…

      • wnsk

        although i’m a little curious what the thing is that you’re expecting, i guess i’m just gonna drop it.

        …i was just tired of seeing this piece of news and just blurted out my disappointment that this was featured here when it shouldn’t have been (because it wasn’t really trending.) should have kept my mouth shut. *embarrassed*

  • Kai

    I agree with your hesitation with Matt’s perspective. I kinda disagree with your last sentence, though it may be because you didn’t communicate what you actually mean clearly there. A central problem with Rodger seems to be that he wanted things to happen to him and got angry that they didn’t.

    To have someone randomly fall in love with you is great, serendipitous, something that surely happens sometimes, but more often than not, we influence whether or not someone falls in love with us. I don’t get the impression he self-evaluated how he could’ve increased his odds of earning the affection of girls. It seems evident that he was socially awkward, and that sucks if that’s just how your personality developed for any variety of reasons ranging from genetics to experiences growing up, but it’s ultimately unrealistic to demand others accommodate you. To fall in love requires meeting people halfway, I think.

    I’m not sure he really understood that, or if maybe he just embraced his resentment and stopped caring to understand that, instead just tantrum raging.

  • Sean Van Cura

    I’m surprised their wasn’t at least one call for his death by 1000 cuts.

    • ptptp

      He’s already dead. It would just be mutilation of a corpse.

  • YourSupremeCommander

    This… my friends, manifests the POWER of the pussy.

    • Mighty曹

      or… the lack of it.

      • YourSupremeCommander

        as in: I do not kill, because I get plenty of pussy.

        • Irvin

          So Hitler is a virgin? What about bin laden?

          • Mighty曹

            Hitler wasn’t a virgin but he did have ED that gave him a complex with women. That’s why he was only drawn to young girls like his niece then Eva Braun who was considerably younger.
            Didn’t bin Laden father a few off springs?

          • David

            Yes, Bin Laden had several children.

          • Mighty曹

            Oh yeah, as a matter of fact, one (or two) was with him during the SEAL’s raid.

  • Kai

    Hard to say. There’s all sorts of reasons why a story goes big or doesn’t.

    • vril society

      Probably because narcissism and delusions of grandeur, a sense of self entitlement, are all traits that are well ingrained in Modern China, i’m sure they don’t want over a billion people to conjure up ideas of virgin retaliation murder.

  • No offense, but I’d say this is precisely the wrong path to take regarding this story. Racism is a problem to be resolved by combating racism, not by eugenically removing potential targets of racism (even when it’s self-inflicted).

    A lot of “black” guys are really the product of a white mother and a black father, and a lot of them fully identify as black and occasionally even hate white men. But no one, aside from racial supremacists, is suggesting that white women therefore shouldn’t procreate with black men.

    The solution is for there to be more Asian-American male role models in American media. The issue of Asian self-hatred really doesn’t have anything more to do with hapas than it does full-blooded Asians.

    Regardless, racial self-hatred is frankly stupid and society should not be catering to it. If someone hates himself because of his race, tough shit. He should know better in the Age of Information.

    • Kai

      I think he’s saying Asian mothers who hate Asian guys and worship white men shouldn’t breed because their prejudice might rub off on and thus hurt their children who have no choice in their Asianness.

      It’s kinda like saying abusive people who would be negative influences on their kids shouldn’t breed and thus fuck up their children.

      • Well, the root problems of those are racial self-hatred and abuse, not procreation. Ideally, no racist should procreate if his or her racism will be passed onto his or her offspring. But not every offspring of a racist becomes racist, and not every offspring of a racial self-hater becomes racially self-hating.

        It just seems obvious to me that the real problem is racism, and we should be condemning that instead of trying to stigmatize intermarriage. That ship has long since sailed.

        • Alex Dương

          I don’t think he was stigmatizing interracial marriage so much as saying that interracial marriage for bad reasons (viz. warped racial fetishes / stereotypes) can have some negative effects on the kids. If a self-hating Asian woman marries a white man and has a son, the son will probably look more like his mom than his dad. He’s saying the dynamics of the parent-child relationship will be a bit fucked up because basically the mother has to raise something that she hates.

          • vril society

            Ok great, so what about white countries that have forced multiculturalism on their own people. We should accept migrants for economic reasons, But we shouldn’t think about marrying or creating a family with them. Seriously what do you expect apartheid segregation.?

            Interracial marriages and children have exactly the same entitlement and benefits available to them to use for their own productivity in society , to get ahead.

          • Alex Dương

            Huh? I never said interracial marriage in and of itself was a bad thing. I said interracial marriage for bad reasons could have negative consequences for the kids.

        • Kai

          I don’t think what SpaghettiWestern wrote reasonably suggests he was stigmatizing intermarriage or doesn’t think racism is the real problem.

          He begged “Asian girls that really dislike Asian guys to really think about the consequences of having children under that circumstance,” with that circumsance being the context he shared of his own life experience, of him hating himself because his mother hated Asian men and neither he nor his brother could escape being part-Asian.

          I think you’re straw-manning him.

          • I’m not straw-manning him; I just happen to realize that omission of detail is fundamentally misleading.

            The problem with “Asian girls that really dislike Asian guys” is that they’re Asian girls that really dislike Asian guys. More fundamentally, the problem is that they’re humans who dislike a race of people. This is the root of the problem.

            To be honest, I found SpaghettiWestern’s comment to be obnoxiously self-pitying. He’s basically blaming his mother for his own self-hatred, as if he isn’t an adult capable of his own free will and volition. Racial self-hatred is a personal choice––not a hereditary trait. SpaghettiWestern is effectively trying to absolve himself of his personal self-hatred by scapegoating his admittedly shitty mother.

            Low self-esteem comes in many forms. Racial self-hatred is simply one of those forms, and SpaghettiWestern will never be able to transcend that low self-esteem so long as he thinks he can blame it on external factors.

          • Rick in China

            I’d wager any psychologist or therapist would argue that having a mother who essentially hates you for factors out of your control will cause significant mental anguish and issues throughout your whole life, well into early adulthood at least, and for you to imply that _even if_ someone’s mother hates them for uncontrollable factors – the person who brought the person into the world – as being insufficient of an excuse to have issues, I’d say you’re just being an idiot and lack any sort of empathy.

          • Lots of people have shitty mothers. At what point does an adult become responsible for himself? SpaghettiWestern certainly has every right to remain crippled by his mother’s prejudices; I’m just saying that it’s not going to get him anywhere. Everyone has issues, and everyone has excuses for those issues.

            Sorry, but after this whole Elliot Rodger thing, my patience for those who indulge in self-defeating delusions when they should know better is at a minimum. SpaghettiWestern has every right to resent and even hate his mother, but I do not think he has anything to gain from internalizing that hate toward himself.

          • Rick in China

            Listen, Matt, you lack SO MUCH perspective on this it’s hardly even worth replying, but I’ll try to be terse.

            You don’t know his age. You don’t know his situation. You just rant about how his phrase, “sometimes hate myself because xxx” translates to self-defeating delusions and not owning up to self-responsibility and self-determinism, and being “obnoxiously self-pitying”? It’s absolutely insulting. Nobody gives a shit about “your patience”, nobody gives a shit about your “everyone has issues” bullshit – the case in point, what the poster was saying, is he felt some sort of understanding with the guy in the article and tried to reach out to help him – an understanding which *you* obviously can’t share, and since you *can not understand* his situation or circumstance, your judgement and ridicule means less than nothing here — in fact it only serves to make you look like an ass. Let me ask you, if your sister was raped last night, and came to you crying about it, would you say “well, suck it up cupcake, it’s not going to help you to dwell on it!”

          • Dr Sun

            You have to realize Matt that if you disagree with Rick he will accuse you of “Straw manning” its his stock reply.

            He will say things like “there are lots of studies” or “any psychologist or therapist would argue that” but he never has a single credible study to back him up . He will accuse you of being too ignorant or misinformed to reply to, but he will.

            Ricks a troll ignore him, most do now.

          • Rick in China

            Troll reply? Exactly like your absolutely meaningless post just now? Are you implying that you believe that there is no credibility to my assertion that:

            “having a mother who essentially hates you for factors out of your control will cause significant mental anguish and issues throughout your whole life, well into early adulthood at least”

            Good job, Sun, you’ve shown how petty and whiney you are once more. “He will say things like…” it’d be amusing if it weren’t so sad.

          • Dr Sun

            Rick, I don’t give you any credibility whatsoever to anything you say, as its all verbal diarrhea.

          • Kai

            Whatever your past beefs with @rickinchina:disqus on other posts about other subjects, I don’t think it was fair of you to attack him here without specifying a disagreement with what he said in response to Matt. Please try not to carry grudges and allow them to pollute your subsequent interactions with irrelevant flames.

          • Dr Sun

            ok

          • Kai

            How does a child avoid internalizing a mother’s hate for an aspect of himself that he cannot change? Does growing up simply allow one to unload all that stuff that has been internalized throughout one’s youth? You make it sound like SpaghettiWestern made a conscious adult decision to suddenly hate himself. That doesn’t sound accurate at all against what he wrote.

            And how do you know he isn’t taking responsibility for himself? Just because he identified a source or cause for the feelings of self-hatred he and his brother had as children? Does he say he still hates himself? Or did he just share something personal about his struggles as a youth? Don’t you think his ability to identify why he felt self-hatred suggests he’s already tackled or is tackling his self-hatred as opposed to merely “indulging in self-defeating delusions?”

            Come on, dude, re-read his comment. I think you’re being too hard on the guy, whatever your patience level is. This is a guy who wanted to help Elliot. It’s mind-blowing enough to me in a six degrees of separation way that someone connected to Elliot on one of Elliot’s favorite online haunts is also on cS.

          • David

            I did not read that his mother hated HIM, just Asian men as a mate, so married his father. My first wife was Asian born American and has never dated an Asian guy (American born or immigrant) because she prefers white guys. But my children (who look Asian) have no self hatred like this.

          • Rick in China

            Except the second sentence the OP in the thread said after hated asian men was: “she passed on this self-hatred to both me and my brother.” which I presume meant that she hated men, including the boys that came from her own body, because they possessed Asian traits, and as a result made them feel unwanted, unloved, sub-human, not deserving of their mother’s time, etc..whatever you can attribute to “hate” up in that circumstance and how it may impact a child’s self-analysis. There’s a difference between preferring a certain race of mate and “hating” one man :D come on.

          • David

            Fair enough. Obviously SOMETHING was up with him.

          • Kai

            I’m going to maintain my disagreement with you here. I feel you’re being a little extreme in your read of him, his comments, and his sentiments. As I said, I don’t see how he’s remotely suggesting racism isn’t a root problem whereas you keep accusing him of it.

            It’s unreasonable to not be sensitive to one’s formative influences, especially those of a mother’s, when it comes to how it shapes a person’s life perspectives. It is, IMHO, just as unrealistic to blame everything on others as it is to blame oneself for everything. We have free will and volition, but we’re also influenced, taught, nurtured, and socialized. If we can rightfully blame propaganda for some of the attitudes mainland Chinese people have, SpaghettiWestern can rightfully accord some blame to his mother.

            Plus, if he can’t identify where his self-hatred comes from, he doesn’t have much hope of tackling and overcoming them either. You’re bordering on victim-blaming, I think. Only by blaming his mother can he possibly forgive his mother and thus potentially conquer whatever influences she had upon him.

          • Dr Sun

            apparently not Kai, for behaviour of blacks and Asians is purely genetically determined, only Caucasians and Latinos are controlled/ influenced/ shaped by socio-economic factors.

            If you are unsure about this,Freeman, RickinChina, BarakObama and Chris Granzow XI will be able to educate you about the supremacy of the caucasian race.

            ,

    • Zappa Frank

      I didn’t read in this way. to me he sounds something like begging Asian women to not choose white men because hate against Asians males.. it doesn’t sound like Asian women should not choose white men, in fact he said ‘under that circumstances’. I think that is agreeable. Even for white, I think nothing is worse that stay with one that simply, randomly, like whites and dislike Asians, also because would mean to stay with someone with mental problems.

  • AG

    As medical proffesional, I have a diagnosis for this guy. He clearly displayed grandiosity and persecutory delusion. He has schizophrenia.

    • Joey

      Here’s my diagnosis: Dead by gunshot wound.

  • vonskippy

    You have to be a major prick not to be able to get laid when you’re in Uni. The stupid git probably only hit on the Sorority queens and never lowered his sight to the average girl. As to all the gun control comments – you’d think china with it’s recent spat of knife attacks would show that you don’t need a gun to cause wide spread damage.

    • FUCKNIGGA

      Yes that was exactly his mistake, he admits in his “manifesto” that he did not want an ugly girl, he thought that he “deserved” nothing less than a beautiful, popular blonde girl at a party school. He ignored people who suggested that he leave SB or lower his standards to find love elsewhere.

      And three of his murders were done with a knife (he stabbed his roommates).

    • Vontrippy

      I can kill more people with a gun than you with a knife.

      • ESL Ninja

        Gentlemen, we have a wager!

      • David

        Maybe quicker but not more. I never run out ammunition with a knife. Besides, is THAT really the debate?

    • SimpsonsGoldenAge

      He literally never made an effort to say one word to a female but was somehow confused over how they didn’t “want” him. Freakazoid.

  • jon9521

    Can the Chinasmack english speakers comments be fed back to the chinese speakers? (via translator). Their follow up comments would be very interesting..

    • KamikaziPilot

      I think someone asked that before and they said they couldn’t do it.

  • Science Patrol

    “It wasn’t until I was 27 that I first touched a woman, and it was only by spending money hiring a prostitute, but did I ever think of killing people [because of it]?”

    You Sir are a gentleman.

    • Kai

      But not the “surpreme gentleman”.

    • Irvin

      This is what happens when you’re too picky and refused to “do something big”.

      • David

        Well, if he had sex with a prostitute, he must not have been that picky.

  • sho glad he’s outta the gene pool

  • KamikaziPilot

    Are you serious? He posted on a bodybuilding website and you saw his posts? So he used his real name or what?

  • KamikaziPilot

    Besides being a virgin there’s a pretty good chance that he’s never had a true friend in his entire life. Truly sad but of course no justification for what he’s done. He’s been seeing therapists since he was a child so I assume that he’s been socially isolated his whole life. I’m wondering if he did indeed have a mental illness or was just really socially deficient and just snapped after so many years. Then again mental illness isn’t an exact science so kind of hard to say. I was expecting the gun debate and mental illness and maybe social acceptance or even race, but the feminist backlash was a surprise to me.

    • YourSupremeCommander

      But I will bet you his skills at Minecraft, Halo, and Candy Crush will put all of us to shame.

      • Irvin

        There is currently no evidence that gaming habits correlate to unable to get laid, further studies are needed.

    • Emilio Kléber

      He did have a couple friends, but he felt that nobody really understood him.

      The feminist backlash is pretty justified though. From page 136 of his manifesto:

      “In order to completely abolish sex, women themselves would have to be abolished. All women must be quarantined like the plague they are, so that they can be used in a manner that actually benefits a civilized society.

      I would take great pleasure and satisfaction in condemning every single woman on earth to starve to death. I would have an enormous tower built just for myself, where I can oversee the entire concentration camp and gleefully watch them all die. If I can’t have them, no one will, I’d imagine thinking to myself as I oversee this. Women represent everything that is unfair with this world, and in order to make the world a fair place, they must all be eradicated.”

      • KamikaziPilot

        “He did have a couple friends, but they weren’t very close, and he felt that nobody really understood him.” I equate that with not having a true friend. In essence he was extremely lonely. I know he had that attitude towards women, but I still didn’t see the backlash coming. I just feel that this is one extreme example, hardly representative of the general population. Sure men objectify women all the time but women play up to it a fair amount too.

  • YourSupremeCommander

    I am not ashamed to confess that I lost my virginity to a really really hot chick, she raped me for hours on that wonderful day. But I have since forgiven her, she’s welcome to do it to me again……. and again…….. and again.

    • ScottLoar

      “I lost my virginity to a really really hot chick, she raped me for hours…”

      Just admit you lost your virginity to a blow-up doll on a vibrating massage chair.

      • mr.wiener

        “Just admit you lost your virginity to a blow-up doll on a vibrating massage chair.”

        …..hmm, I could think of worse ways.

        • ScottLoar

          I can’t think of a worse way but, then again, I don’t do animals.

          • Rick in China

            That comment sort of implies that you _do_ do blow-up dolls on vibrating massage chairs :D

          • ScottLoar

            And that you do do animals?

          • Irvin

            I do do animals…of a specific specie called humans.

          • ScottLoar

            I should have qualified that as barnyard animals.

      • Germandude

        God damn. I was laughing hard when I read your comment, but shocked, when I read that, of all people, @ScottLoar:disqus posted this.

        My world has just collapsed. The matrix, it’s real.

      • bang2tang

        bwahahaha sexdoll

  • d.g.summers

    A Chinese woman, Li Pingping, a former marketing consultant in Huizhou, bought the kitten earlier this month and decapitated it in her bathroom last week, China Daily reported on Thursday.

    She then posted photos of the kitten’s body and its severed head on Weibo, setting off outraged reactions.

    Sounds like another frustrated “virgin.”

    • Kai

      Yeah, it ranked #2 two or three days ago I think. Really disturbing, graphic photos.

  • vril society

    Struck a chord, not rung a bell, You sure you are not just trying to spin the race thing

  • Zen my Ass

    Another cause of undiagnosed mental illness: free circulation of guns is just the icing on the cake. There is not such a thing as free guns in China and this doesn’t prevent people to go on a rampage. Let’s pray for the victims, but don’t make it political.

    • RagnarDanneskjold

      The U.S. also has free circulation of psychoactive drugs that have side effects such as suicide and murder.

  • With puffed up DSLs like that, I have no idea why he felt so entitled to sex with any girl. If he wanted to punish those responsible for his shitty sex life, it’s a goddamned shame he didn’t start with himself.

  • Insomnicide

    Having bothered to read his 140 page long manifesto, I’d have to say this guy had a degree of narcissism that could rival Kanye West.

    The fact that he had mental health issues and also hated just about everyone around him didn’t help either. But once again, the feminists are blaming misogyny and the anti-guns are blaming lack of gun control.

    • Emilio Kléber

      The second-to-last page was as misogynist as it gets though.

    • Kai

      I think all of those things are worth blaming as they are negative influences in society. It’s just none of them should be somehow singled out in order to justify excusing and ignoring the rest. Rarely is it one single thing but a confluence of things.

      • Insomnicide

        Of course, but seeing the whole #YesAllWomen thing…they’re going to blame it on misogyny alone.

  • Kai

    It depends on the American site and what report on the American site. There’s plenty of lonely virgin comments. You can’t really compare this 140 character early Weibo post vs. longer (for example) CNN articles that dedicate paragraphs to discussing his mental illness and what guns he used and where he bought them.

  • Sydney

    Elliot Rodger was half-Chinese, they forgot to mention that, and he was clearly autistic, him being a social outcast probably made him a sociopath as well.

  • RagnarDanneskjold

    Maybe they know that he is half-Chinese.

  • Insomnicide

    Read his manifesto. His mother is not a tiger mom, she spoiled him rotten. She didn’t give a shit about Confucian values, if anything Confucian values would have stopped him from being so narcissistic and disrespectful towards his parents.

    Many serial killers do have sexual issues, but many serial killers also have two hands. I think it’s more than just that which drives them over the edge.

  • FYIADragoon

    More garbage from California. Been a long time since they produced anything worthwhile.

  • I think is very sad what happened , but not all people see virginity as a burden . http://www.virgingirlfriend.com

    • Dr Sun

      Any/ all men over the age of 16 and not being a religious fundamentalist may disagree with you.
      Btw I’m not sure that a link to a dating website for middle aged men looking for porn star looking, barely legal, virgins really makes your case.

  • Ryo Saeba

    Maybe he should of tried to “do something big.”

    • Irvin

      I concur

  • SimpsonsGoldenAge

    His mum was Malaysian Chinese anyway

  • mr.wiener

    Proving what exactly?

    • whuddyasack

      Proving that white girls have violent, sexist sexual frustrations too because they were killing white boys… unfortunately, his sources lack relevance and reading most of his posts, it seems more like he is covering up himself and his “Wizardchan/Incel” friends. Notice he spits the same rhetoric as our “white” killer/virgin, Chinese are “undateable”. Yet he wishes to portray Elliot as “Chinese”. Elliot’s mother is Malaysian and he lives with his Caucasian dad and step-mom, meaning he would never identify as Asian, much less “Chinese”. Heck, if noone told me his heritage and just by looking at him, I would’ve thought Elliot Rodger was fully white.

      This is an old member and very transparent at that. In short, just a frustrated, embittered, female-repellant. Just like POS.

  • Irvin

    Because a lot of chinese guys can empathize with his predicament and frustration because they’re in the same boat.

  • whuddyasack

    When I first saw the guy and read his name, I didn’t even know he was part Asian so it’s quite ironic how some of the losers here try to pass this guy as Asian, much less Chinese. He’s obviously a SWAM white, his birth mother (who is Malaysian) divorcing very early in his life and thus he thinks like a white person. As for his view on Asian/Chinese males, a cursory glance at interracial related topics here reveals comments that matches Rodger’s to a tee.

    Shoes won’t help you get white girls. White girls are disgusted by you, silly little Asian.

    Sound familiar? Just goes to show what losers are out there and here. I think Elliot confirms my suspicion about the reality and it’s always funny how some think we can’t see through them. It’s an ugly world of jealousy, bitterness, impotence and rage for those who do nothing but talk crap about others in IRLs, and what many seem to have picked up is that it’s mainly white guys who engage in this.

    All in all, I’ve come to respect Chinese/Asians more, especially in the west. Despite enduring frequent nasty abuse from the insecure, none of them think it appropriate to go on a mass murder spree because they “couldn’t get laid at 22”.

    • David

      I have to disagree with you there. Everyday we read the rude obnoxious comments that Asians make here on CS (Now I am not saying Whites, Blacks and Hispanics DON’T make rude obnoxious comments but to say Asians don’t and that it is mostly whites is just not a reflection of reality). Also, since when does half Asian and half White = White?

      Sorry for the late reply I was busy this long weekend and just read the article.

      • whuddyasack

        There is no need to apologize. I don’t mind at all, we’re all busy every now and then and real life trumps. On CS at least, I don’t really think Asians make the rude, obnoxious comments as there are very few Asian posters around, and all the worst trolls have been banned. Unless I’m that Asian ;-) It’s fine,if I can give it then I can take it. I just realized a huge load of people want me banned or moderated so like I said, it is what it is.

        Initially, I thought no one took it that* seriously except “Infusion” aka POS (his original account). Nothing to sweat over.

        Well, thank you for the civil disagreement. I consider Elliot white because he thinks, acts and looks white and because I think he grew up with his dad and stepmother. Thus almost no Asian connections save his maternal bloodline. I do admit that I’m not really interested so much in a murderous misogynistic racist’s private life.

        • David

          Agreed few Asian posters here. To be clear I was not even thinking of the English speaking posters here, I was thinking about the actual Chinese commentators from the original articles which are translated here.

          • whuddyasack

            Yes, I’d have to agree with you on that then.

  • Perseus Wong

    The Americans who blame the NRA, for just about everything, ought to help us out in Asia by protesting the NKKA … (National Kitchen Knife Association)

  • KamikaziPilot

    Well if you’re willing to do the translation it might be possible. I’d talk to one of the mods so see if it can be done.

  • I don’t think the Chinese can fully appreciate what an absolute cesspool America is. American women are the worst in the world, totally inconsiderate of anyone else’s feelings. They dress like provocative sluts, but mostly only have sex with the most immoral men they can find. This is why we have all these men going insane in America. Most other countries don’t have this problem.

    • 나비

      Yup, some little asshole goes on a killing spree because he’s an entitled spoiled prick that thought he was owed women and their bodies, and yet, there’s assholes like you who would still have the nerve to blame women for what happened. Misogyny is alive and doing well.

      People (and I ain’t throwing in that nationality and race shit) Are responsible for their actions and them alone.

  • Johan Nes

    Stefan Molyneux made a comprehensive, two hour analysis of Elliot Rodger’s psychology. http://youtu.be/oybAUKZhaMA

  • don mario

    ‘It wasn’t until I was 26 that I escaped being a virgin and I’ve never killed anyone, except quite a lot of descendents [sperm, from a lot of masturbation]…’

    lol!

    i don’t feel so bad for the chinese virgins. its more cultural for them to be old virgins. there are loads of old virgin girls too.

  • Surfeit

    “A 32-year-old virgin floats by…” AHAHAHA! He nailed it!

    • Surfeit

      Seriously though, ‘more gun stores than McDonalds’, is that a fact?!

  • Surfeit

    If you have a car, and you haven’t had sex, there is certainly something wrong.

  • BillBo

    I hate the focus that is put onto his whole virginity rants. Him being a virgin is utterly unimportant. We didn’t have to look into the rambling writings of Timothy McVeigh or Anders Breviek or that asain dude at Virginia Tech to know why they committed mass murder. They were psychopaths who were very mentally disturbed, just like this kid. That’s really all the explanation we need. And yet all the focus is on this virginity angle of his.

    And for any virgins out there, sex is great but it’s not the Holy Grail you’ll see in movies or whatever. Go hire an escort if you’re really worried about it or take your next vacation to Thailand ;)

  • hehehehh

    isnt this shit fake???

    • ScottLoar

      You are obviously a mainland Chinese poster.

      • hehehehh

        and your mama is a hooker.

  • SuperHappyCow

    IT WAS THE BLACKS

  • David

    So you are saying SpegettiWestern has a mental disorder, therefore Matt was being insensitive?

    • simon

      insensitive would be an understatement, i’d use the word ignorant.
      don’t know about spegettiWestern, not in a position to comment as to his mental status.

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