CCTV Remembers September 18 Mukden Incident, Chinese Reactions

Shenyang September 18th Mukden Incident History Museum

At present, the most popular microblog post of the day on Chinese social network Sina Weibo…

From Sina Weibo:

@央视新闻: #Don’t Forget September 18th# 话筒 If You Remember What Today Is, Please Forward This! — 83 years ago today, the September 18th Incident [aka Mukden Incident] exploded, the start of the Japanese military’s attempt to use military force to conquer China. In the War of Resistance Against Japan [aka Second Sino-Japanese War], there were 35 million military and civilian casualties, in which elderly, women, and children were massacred! An invasion can spell the end of a country, but it can also awaken a people! Today, sirens will blare in may places, and no matter where you are, let us use Weibo to spread and engrave this in our our memories, not to be forgotten, never to be forgotten!

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Comments from Sina Weibo:

行者之窗:

Who are telling not to forget? All year round, the major TV channels broadcast ridiculous War of Resistance Against Japan serials leaving us thinking those little Japanese devils were so flimsy that they could be ripped into two halves with one’s bare hands. But, who knows that the merely 20,000-strong Kwantung Army of the Japanese devils back then reduced 35 million of our comrades in the northern three provinces into the colonial slaves of a conquered country? In the end, just exactly who was fighting the war is even concealed. What’s even more infuriating is that even now have abandoned and are indifferent those old War of Resistance Against Japan veterans. Shameless people talking about never forgetting our national humiliation, so laughable!

Lokyu摄影师:

While not forgetting the Mukden Incident, I asked that our countrymen to stop blindly hating Japanese people! What we should be doing is changing this hatred into a motivation to work hard and improve ourselves, to catch-up to and surpass the Japanese in all sorts of fields, as opposed to just [cursing them] with our mouths!

熊猫外交:

Americans live in [for] the future, while Chinese live in the past.

未闻桃子名: (responding to above)

I disagree that “Americans live in [for] the future, while Chinese live in the past”. Do understand what it means to “fall in a pit and gain your wits” [to learn from a past mistake/failure]? That China has a long history, whereas America only has a few hundred years of history? How much history do they have? China’s history of both glory and decline is something our countrymen should know well in their hearts. Never forget our national humiliation, and always be vigilant even in peace.

贝壳小翘:

What the Japanese launched against the Chinese was not a war, but the genocide of one people by another people. September 18 is not the day of China’s national humiliation, and the publicity/propaganda regarding our national humiliation is wrong. Japan’s invasion of China is Japan’s shame, the loss of Japan’s humanity. Minnie Vautrin once wrote in her diary: In military terms, the occupation of Nanjing may be considered a victory for the Japanese military, but in terms of morality, this is a defeat, the disgrace/shame of the Japanese people.

Mik3y_6:

If World War III begins, I don’t expect everyone to lay down their lives to fight, I only pray that there are fewer Chinese traitors.

学警王波:

#Don’t Forget September 18th# Clicking open the comments, I see unity [in sentiments]. In today’s internet world, this kind of situation is very rare. In the face of the people’s righteousness, I think all the children of China who have a conscience already know what to do. Don’t forget our national humiliation, remain vigilant, and strive for self-improvement!

小X萝卜头:

The rabble’s character cannot be improved, even if the alarm is sounded 365 days a year.

地铁清风:

Friendship should be friendship, history should be history. Don’t forget our national humiliation! When our youth are strong, China will be strong!

独自坐江南:

Don’t forget our national humiliation, let us revive China, and may our homeland be glorious and prosperous, becoming stronger and stronger.

The #Don’t Forget September 18th# hashtag is currently the 3rd highest trending.

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  • Janus

    Sometimes it feels like not a week goes by without ChinaSmack reporting on something about ‘the War’. but then I guess they only translate the stuff.

    • Joe

      September is just a bad month with both VJ day and 9.18, this year is also the 120th anniversary of the First Sino-Japanese War, so CCTV propaganda are on overdrive.

    • SongYii

      This is a reflection of what the Chinese read on a regular basis. You can see why they’re so virulently hateful of Japan. :-(

    • lacompacida

      When the War is a daily diet of the Chinese readers, so should it be daily diet of ChinaSmack readers.

  • mr.wiener

    I’m trying not to be dismissive of the very real historical grievences the Chinese have with the Japanese (Some genuine, heartfelt, chestbeating apologies and a couple of decades of self fladululation would have been nice)
    …but I can’t help feeling that there are far too many people in China (not all!) who hang on to this grudge because they have no real lives or very little power in their own destinies.

    • SongYii

      I could understand an underlying resentment, such as how the French and older British regard the Germans. But hating, really violently hating Japan is part of the daily drumbeat of Zhongnanhai, an entire ongoing narrative in the Chinese mindset, and it hurts China much, much more than it hurts Japan.

      Moreover, as I understand it, young Japanese are largely unaware of their country’s transgressions against China during the war, much as young Chinese are largely uninformed about their own history (except the part where the Japanese fucked’em all up.)

      • Cameron

        I think young Japanese are well aware that their country fucked up in WW2. They dont really deny it. They simply choose not to dwell on a miserable time in their nations history – which they bear no responsibility for whatsoever – any more than necessary. Unlike, say, China, which has a government that gets great advantage from dwelling on National Shame/Humiliation as much as possible.

        • SongYii

          I had a Japanese friend in America who was totally unaware of what happened during the occupation of China. She knew about the war. She did not know about the brutality. I don’t want to say “they don’t teach it in school,” but I know that she, herself, did not learn about it in school.

          • Butsu

            Yeah this is really hit or miss. I have a friend who did indeed learn all about it, however the contents would not appear on any test, so it probably flew over a lot of peoples heads. Because of the whole, study for a good score only and not to actually learn anything.

          • Jahar

            There are Americans who don’t know where Canada is.

          • SongYii

            Uh, haha, yeah, like Canada is a *real* place.

          • diverdude7

            well, at least I know the proper spelling is — ‘Canuckada ‘.

    • ClausRasmussen

      >> because they have no real lives or very little power in their own destinies

      Watch CCTV for a while and you’ll be more understanding

    • Bluex

      With a government which seems hellbent on cementing the grudge into everyone’s mind, it is not hard to see where all these resentment is coming from. While almost every other nations involved in WW2 have no intention of revoking the dark chapter, PRC seems to have fun time using it as a propaganda tool.

    • lacompacida

      far too many people in China (not all!) who hang on to this grudge because they were told to, and taught purposely to hate Japan and the west so that CCP can blame every fault on these foreign nations, leaving no chance of Chinese people blaming CCP for anything.

      • Zhegezhege

        It’s also the only (and hence extremely important) safe political rage release valve for Mainland Chinese society.

  • Amused

    “China has a long history, whereas America only has a few hundred years of history”, what a load of horseshit. China is only 65 years old. America is well over 200 :D

    • Markus P

      This argument is often put across… Chinese history starts before PRC so why do people assume American history did not start until the British went there? The whole world has the same time length of history regardless of if we see it or not. Some may have more artifacts than others, but, that isn’t the point.

      • SongYii

        The argument is that China has a continuous culture, ethnic/racial, linguistic makeup for… a long fucking time. Its got a lot of merit, but it depends on the context.

        • ClausRasmussen

          Exactly. While the Americans quote George Washington, the Chinese quote Kong Fu Tse. There are a couple of millenniums between the two

        • Cameron

          Chinese people seems to see longetivity as a strength in itself. The “Ancient Chinese nation” may yet get back to the top spot . . . But it will have done so by piggybacking on the ingenuity of the “younger” American and modern European nations …

          • SongYii

            Geniuses are those who stand on the shoulders of giants.

            Everybody is piggybacking on the successes of everyone who came before everyone who is living today.

            The only thing that irritates me about China is they normally have such a “we did it all ourselves” attitude, as reflected in the resounding nationalism you see in many translated comments on this site.

        • lacompacida

          China, as an entity, only started in 1911. There was no country, nation or even race, called China before that. It was the Qing Empire before 1911, the Ming Empire before that, and Zong Empire before that.

          • Alex Dương

            The Qing referred to themselves as 中國 as early as 1689. You can also verify that the Russians also referred to the Qing as Chinese in 1689: “китайского императора.”

          • Eidolon

            中國 was used to describe the Central Plains, and then China proper, for thousands of years. The existence of 中國 is a matter of historiographical continuity. That is to say, 中國 is not a political entity but a historiographical one. The historians of 中國 considered all major states in 中國 as dynasties of an eternal empire bound by specific cultural and ideological principles. An useful analogy exists with the concept of ‘the West,’ with the difference that ‘the West’ carries no connotation of being politically unified, while 中國 in Chinese thinking ought to be.

          • Insomnicide

            Except there was a race. 漢人,or 中原人 is used as far as the Han dynasty to refer to the main ethnicity of China. And China isn’t even called China in Chinese, so arguing that there was no China before 1911 is simply ignorant of the Chinese language and political divisions.

        • wes707

          One could easily argue that China’s “continuous culture” collapsed in 1911 after the Qing Dynasty – very little of modern China relates to its preceding social structures. The linguistic/ethnic/racial makeup of China is as divergent as in Europe – whereas Western cultures emphasize individuality, calling Spanish/French/Italian different languages/peoples, in China they would merely be called dialects to emphasize the wholeness, harmony, etc. of one exaggerated ethnic/racial group.

          Keep in mind that a substantial part of “China” was not unified until 221BC and did not remain unified as one social entity. This “5,000 years of unbroken and homogeneous history” is part of the force-fed education that the Chinese proudly regurgitate to thwart actual discernment of history. Check the sizes of all the dynasties leading up to the Qin/Han; they were confined to the Zhongyuan (central plains). Southern/Western/Northern China didn’t exist, but non-Chinese people were definitively there until they were subjugated by the Han.

          • ClausRasmussen

            >> very little of modern China relates to its preceding social structures

            What have “social structures” to do with “continuous culture” ? Social structure is ever changing and if you use that as a criteria, then no country in the World will have a “continuous culture” older than a few decades (except some hopelessly backwards Middle Eastern ones)

            Culture is about language, philosophy, science, race, law, history, writing, traditions etc. Much, much more than the narrow minded “social structures” that you use.

            I am sorry to say this, but you come across as a relativist US liberal or EU socialist

          • Insomnicide

            The ethnical/linguistica/racial makeup China is not as divergent as Europe. Various of dialects of Chinese are actually different stages of Hanyu in it’s evolution depending on the dynasty. Cantonese for example has a lot of colloquialism leftover from Tang dynasty era vocabulary. Dialects of Jiangsu and Fujian have a lot of words which originate from Ming dynasty, etc. etc.

            And the genes of Han Chinese do have variation, but remain largely consistently. In simple terms, there is a genetic portion that answers to Han. Being Han Chinese is more than just language, culture or family background. While China does not have ‘5,000 years of unbroken and homogeneous history’, the Han Chinese people have existed since the Han dynasty and the Huaxia race which Han Chinese descend from have existed for almost 5,000 years. If you study actual Chinese history instead of popular misconceptions you can find there is consistency and continuity in political divisions. One dynasty succeeds another and only one dynasty is recognized by the public as the rightful dynasty. Actual discernment of history is studying the periods in-depth instead of judging the history of an entire nation based on map size.

      • ClausRasmussen

        There is something called “pre-history”, stuff that happened before written records existed and that is usually not included in the concept of history (there is no “story” to tell)

        The Chinese commentor also used “America” as a synonym for the US and that entity is only a few centuries old

      • lacompacida

        Are you expecting Chinese to weigh issues fairly ? How naive.

    • iLcOrNaLiTo

      This is the excuse for everything, even the boss will say to me just to “win” an argument about why he is always right.

  • Wololoo

    When they speak about the glorious China in the past, they forget, that China did a genocide on a lot of smaller countries too. Why they think there are so many minorities? They all come from conquered territory.

    • Anark1

      No shit Sherlock. The history of the world is exactly like that as long as human being exists.

      • lacompacida

        A good reason for China to forget that part of their history.

        • Anark1

          Nah, Just a good reason for some people to stfu and stop pointing fingers and take a good look at themselves.

    • jin

      if you want to talk about hundreds of years ago, then all the countries in the world has commited genocide.

  • Gordon Gogodancer

    A few reasonable comments…the rest is retarded as usual

    • Markus P

      To be fair, The English written comments on Chinasmack also have the same mix of reasonable and retarded comments. (Not directing at you).

      • Jahar

        I generally find there’s a little more sense, and rationality in ours. More discussion and debate as well.

  • KenjiAd

    As a Japanese national, I am genuinely surprised by the maturity and level-headedness shown by some comments. I wish the Japanese media would report these comments.

    • Cameron

      I agree. But would you also agree that Japan’s official post war apologies toward its Asian neighbours for its conduct during WW2 era have always come across as forced, insincere and simply not showing sufficient remorse? They were nearly always of the “if we behaved badly, we apologise” variety.
      I think so.

      • KenjiAd

        But would you also agree that Japan’s official post war apologies toward its Asian neighbours for its conduct during WW2 era have always come across as forced, insincere and simply not showing sufficient remorse?

        I do not agree. I think the apology, such as the one given by PM Murayama (see below), was sincere. Note that this so-called “Murayama” statement was a statement issued by the Japanese Cabinet (all the members concurred); this is not the PM’s personal statement as is often misunderstood. All the subsequent Administrations in Japan, even including Abe’s, have affirmed the Murayama statement, so far that is.

        (Murayama statement 1995)

        During a certain period in the not too distant past, Japan, following a mistaken national policy, advanced along the road to war, only to ensnare the Japanese people in a fateful crisis, and, through its colonial rule and aggression, caused tremendous damage and suffering to the people of many countries, particularly to those of Asian nations. In the hope that no such mistake be made in the future, I regard, in a spirit of humility, these irrefutable facts of history, and express here once again my feelings of deep remorse and state my heartfelt apology. Allow me also to express my feelings of profound mourning for all victims, both at home and abroad, of that history.

        ( http://www.mofa.go.jp/announce/press/pm/murayama/9508.html )

        The reason why the Japanese official apologies have not been accepted is because there have always been some revisionist politicians in Japan, particularly among LDP politicians, who oppose any sort of apologies. They are the guys who visit The Yasukuni Shrine and deny the Nanjing Massacre ever happened.

        Unfortunately, this has produced the impression that Japan’s apologies as a whole isn’t sincere.

        • mr.wiener

          None the less compared to the Germans, the Japanese acceptance of responsibility has been…lacking.

          • lacompacida

            And CCP’s apology for killing 40 million Chinese in a CCP created famine was non-existing.

          • lienlaopei

            so if you killed your wife, its ok for me to rape your daughter?

          • Jannick Slavik

            actually, the CCP famines came subsequent to the Japanese enforced genocide.

            The massive social instability and power vacuum created by the Japanese genocide no doubt created the environment for the CCP created famine.

            So your analogy is off.

          • KenjiAd

            True.

            In 1995, exactly 50 years after the end of WWII, some of us tried hard to force the Japanese parliament to pass a resolution to commemorate the end of WWII and finally to issue a formal apology. We had the best shot at that time, because we had the Cabinet made up of progressives including the Socialist PM Murayama.

            Unfortunately, because of the strong LDP oppositions, the resolution was seriously watered down so much so that it meant nothing (even then, some LDP law makers walked out in disgust without voting). Incidentally, Abe was one of the leaders of the LDP opposition.

            The Murayama apology came after this debacle. I’m sure that he was so disappointed by the failure to pass any meaningful apology through the Parliament, so that’s why he took an extraordinary step and used his Cabinet to issue the apology.

            (for more detail, there is a good summary here: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Japan/OA19Dh01.html )

        • ClausRasmussen

          If you read up on the process Germany went through after WWII and compare to Japan you will understand why Germany have been forgiven and Japan have not

          • Butsu

            I also think that a lot of people simply don’t care. My granddad helped in the shipping of jews from Denmark to Sweden and later had to join them and that’s how he ended up here (his brother joined in with the nazis tho). He never held any resentment towards Germans and told me that it wouldn’t matter if Germany apoligized or not, the most important thing was that they lost the war.
            Only the Koreas and China are still salty about the war.

          • Jannick Slavik

            he might have felt different if the allies allowed the NAZIS to stay in power, as the allies allowed the Emperor to stay in power in Japan.

          • Butsu

            He was mearly a figure after the war no? And even during the war it’s still up to debate how much of a hand he had in everything that went on. From the standpoint of getting Japan to bounce back it was essential to keep the Emperor. There was no point in keeping the nazis.

          • KenjiAd

            Of course I understand.

            While German people were forcibly subjected to the collective guilt after WWII, Japanese people acquired the habit of self-victimization and collective amnesia.

            As the result, it became politically impossible for the Japanese government to issue any sort of apologies for WWII, without inciting strong oppositions supported by a sizable fraction of Japanese people.

        • tcl334

          Your Japanese PM is still visiting and worshipping at the Yasukuni Shrine every year, inside the Shrine there lists 1,068 war criminals,14 are A-Class.
          That makes your country’s apology really insincere.

        • Xia

          But Murayama was not celebrated in Japan and was pretty soon ousted. What followed was Koizumi’s repeated visit to Yasukuni. That tells a lot about the national character. I just don’t understand why the Japanese people elect LDP again and again almost for nearly 6 decades.

      • lacompacida

        When you are told to feel apologies from others are forced, insincere and not showing sufficient remorse, you just toe the line. Good work. You are exactly how CCP wants you to be., Congratulations.

  • Cameron

    I maintain that there is a silent majority that don’t buy into the CCTV Communist Party bullshit regarding National Humiliation and Hating Japan. Most of them tend to keep quiet about it as they fear being labelled Anti Revolutionaires or some shit.

    But yeah, it’s quite shocking that eighty years later there are still loads of 5 year old Chinese kids who vehemently hate Japan before they can write a single decent looking Chinese character. That is fucked up.

    • lacompacida

      No. That’s not fucked up at all. That’s exactly how CCP wants all Chinese to be educated. Hate Japan, instead of CCP.

  • Cameron

    The Nationalists must feel proud of their efforts in resisting the might of Imperial Japan. I expect the Communist Party has sent the Nationalists in Taiwan a big Thankyou Bouquet?

    • lacompacida

      Mao thanked Japan for its effort in making CCP strong already.

      • ClausRasmussen

        Mao should also thank Chiang Kai Shek. That guy screwed it up for himself on numerous occasions… :-(

  • wnsk

    At first I laughed….then I remembered, the Yuan never invaded Japan. Their two attempts failed even before they began. Stop trying to rewrite/distort history, you Japanese devils!

  • lacompacida

    Japanese killed 30,000,000 Chinese. CCP killed 40,000,000+40,000,000 Chinese. We must remember how cruel the Japanese are.

    • Jannick Slavik

      indeed, one mustn’t forget that the CCP famines came subsequent to the Japanese invasion.

      the social structures destroyed during the genocide had the sad consequence of giving rise to the CCP after the fact.

      Perhaps the most devastating of Japan’s legacy in China.

      one must always looks at circumstances when analyzing history.

    • Janus

      fail straw man is fail.

  • lacompacida

    Didn’t the Yuan invasion went down to the bottom of the Sea of Japan ? Did any Mongolian soldiers actually landed in Japan ?

    • ClausRasmussen

      If you read the linked articles you would know that there were two invasions of Japan. Both succeeded in landing troops on the shore, but the fleets were later severely damaged in typhoons and had to withdraw with massive losses

  • guest

    Yep, they did actually make land fall on the mainland as well as wiping on the populations of a few islands on the way in. The two famous battles linked to the storms are the
    “First Battle of Hakata Bay”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bun%27ei
    and
    “Second Battle of Hakata Bay”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_K%C5%8Dan

    The only reason they where in their ships when the storm stuck was that was either down or a tactical decisions or they couldn’t form a strong enough beachhead after a days fighting.

    The irony of the storms is that, weather is credited for the defeat japan, while now some modern theories are also crediting the weather for the mognols rise to power as well.

    http://www.pnas.org/content/111/12/4375

  • Jannick Slavik

    A good book to read up on this is “embracing defeat” by dower. in short, the Japanese never had to confront their misdeeds. The allies allowed the war criminal emperor to stay in power. this in part acted to validate the actions of the war criminals in people’s minds.

    for pragmatic reasons, the americans acted in this manner, in part to maintain social structure after the war

  • Jannick Slavik

    Just as at a murder trial, the judge examines the past mental history of the defendant, so one must recognize that the evil misdeeds of the CCP were enabled by the collective trauma associated with having the Japanese commit widespread genocide across the country.

    Nothing can really excuse the CCP enforced famines that killed 10s of millions, but certainly understanding that the CCP came to in a power vacuum existing in a post-genocidal environment provides explanations as to how and why this happened.

    perhaps more than the genocide itself, Japan’s most devastating legacy was creating the environment in which the CCP could flourish.

  • iLcOrNaLiTo

    Get over it.

  • Teacher in China

    So that’s what that loud air siren was yesterday morning…. I was confused as fuck about what was going on; wondered whether I needed to duck and cover.

  • ESL Ninja

    Thank god they reminded us that Japan invaded China, I keep forgetting…

  • RaphaeI

    At a time when national leaders in Asia are making a heinous effort to whitewash and erase their history of war crimes and atrocities, it’s important for students and the next generation to be vividly aware of what really went on.

  • Karze

    China conveniently forgets the millions who died under starvation from Mao disastrous policy and cultural revolution or 1989 Tianamen massacre.

  • lukebc

    The Communists government doesn’t need to “indoctrinate” the
    Chinese people on japanese barbarism against the Chinese people; the
    criminality of the Japanese against the Chinese people is SO remembered
    and embedded into the Chinese social mentality and consciousness and
    social culture and it passed along each generation. Thus the government
    need not “create” it as it already exists. Also something that not
    known to most western historians and is never mentioned but well
    documented is that the Rape of Nanking was NOT a singular event. There
    were several “Rape of (insert name) throughout the genocidal japanese
    invasion. There was the Rape of Changsha, The Rape of Canton, The Rape
    of Hong Kong, The Rape of Hankow and so forth. The numbers of “Rape
    of……” are beyond numerous. It’s estimate that an excess of 20
    million Chinese died from the japanese invasion of which millions of
    Chinese civilians and Chinese POWs were directly murdered by the
    japanese. The term is known as “they looked at the face of their
    killers” to differentiate from dying from artillery fire or in an air
    raid. Also well over a million, perhaps 2 million, Chinese women were
    raped – mostly gang-raped – by the japanese genocidists over the course
    of the 8 year war. The japanese didn’t just rape in the “Rape of
    Nanking” and others, the japanese raped in the countryside. When they
    swept through Chinese villages they would rape the women and take many
    away as sex slaves. The japanese “punished” China by murdering 250,000
    Chinese civilians because some Chinese had aided the crews of the
    Doolittle Raid on Tokyo. It should be pointed out that Unit 731 was NOT
    a special “lone unit”. There were several other “Unit (insert number)”
    biological experimental camps scattered all across China. *It is these
    atrocities, along with the “Unit (numbers) that is seared into the
    Chinese culture and collective mind of the Chinese and thus it IS
    something the Chinese Communist Party has to walk a fine line with.*
    Young Chinese hothead nationalists have been for years vowing that WHEN
    war breaks out with japan, the Chinese will return the favor to the
    japanese people a thousand fold before nuking Japan. Chinese
    nationalism is a very dangerous powder keg.

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