Chinese Actress Yang Mi Protests Yulin Dog Meat Festival

Cancel 6/21 Dog Meat Festival: Please don't eat us, we are mankind's friends.

“Cancel 6/21 Dog Meat Festival: Please don’t eat us, we are mankind’s friends.”

The below microblog post by Chinese celebrity Yang Mi is currently the third most popular post of the past week on leading Chinese social network Sina Weibo, and was previously one of the top posts of the day…

From Sina Weibo:

@杨幂: The loyalty of dogs to man exceeds my imagination. I treat dogs as friends, I don’t eat dog meat, and I oppose the use of dog meat as food. Doggies are kind-hearted, don’t eat them!! As a result, I oppose 2014 06.21 [June 21st] Guangxi province Yulin city’s Summer Solstice Lychee Dog Meat Festival! I call for an end to any dog meat festival! A single person’s strength is little so we need everyone’s approval and support! Regardless of whether or not you love dogs, I don’t ask that you click upvote, I only ask that you forward/reshare this.

Comments from Sina Weibo:

ss思思同学:

I am from Yulin, but I’ve never eaten dog meat before. Every time I see these [calls to oppose Yulin's Dog Meat Festival], I still want to say something on behalf of Yulin people. Actually, do you guys also know that cows are also very intelligent animals? Have you ever seen cows shed tears [cry]? Us rural people often see cows cry and are also heartbroken by it! But you often eat steaks, right? So isn’t it essentially the same thing? Also, pigs. Pigs also are adorable/cute, but everyone in the country eats them! There’s even less need to mention sheep!

rosemaryyyyyyy:

I saw a comment that says it very well: Why are there always stupid cunts who say if you’re serious, then don’t eat chicken, duck, or fish? When an earthquake happens, is it a search and rescue chicken or a search and rescue dog that comes to save people? Have you fucking ever met a seeing-eye pig? With autistic kids, do you fucking give them a service fish to accompany them? When you’re sad and crying, does your family’s chicken run over to lick away your tears to comfort you? Do you understand intelligence? Such ridiculous cunts.

火火火火火蚁女:

[拜拜] Do you know that all this publicity you celebrities create [about this festival] resulted in sales last year being double than the year before, and that [the festival] will be held this year as it has been before? If you continue to give this publicity, I bet this year’s sales will be twice that of last year. [拜拜] Why not just let the small festival of a small place be held silently [without fanfare] in that small place? All the publicity you guys create instead leads to many dogs being killed that one day of the year. Last year, don’t you know the dogs that were rescued by volunteers ended up being sold to those dog traffickers anyway afterwards? [拜拜]

我和僵尸有个约会马小玲:

All animals are lives, there is no differentiation of high and low. I hope you will also spit out the pig meat you eat.

玩个微博而已ID弄那么长有意思吗:

Mimi, let me teach you how to stop this event. 1. Buy a plane ticket to Gunagxi Yulin. 2. Cover your nose after arriving at the Dog Meat Festival. 3. Take off shoes. get√ [Yang Mi is rumored to have smelly feet]

吾皇十冠妥妥的:

Ol’ Mimi, stop wearing fur, stop wearing real leather shoes, stop carrying bags made of alligator, ostrich, sheep, or cow skin, and everyone will think are you even more kind-hearted. As opposed to using your own biases and preferences to hold hostage [emotionally blackmail] the morality and ethics of the rest of us.

随波逐流林奕桐:

I think dogs can be separated into different classifications, such as seeing eye dogs, pet dogs, or police dogs. These kind of dogs who serve mankind indeed cannot be eaten, and actually there aren’t that many people who do eat them. What people eat are mostly dogs raised for their meat. What more, the cows we eat, the majority of them were all beasts of burden, who helped us till the land their entire lives, whose knees have buckled onto the ground before they die, who shed tears, all of which I personally feel is much more cruel than killing dogs. It’s just that dogs know how to be cute, while cows only know how to silently plow the land.

少女我呀专精玻璃心修补:

The pig has fainted from crying in the restroom.

江瑞张:

She is just advocating against eating dogs, and no matter from what aspect you think about it, it is a good deed, so why are you people bringing up pigs for? Is she advocating the eating of pigs? According to the logic of flamers [emotional, irrational critics], no matter what she says, it is wrong, and only they are right, and she can only be right if she is vegetarian. Then what about research discovering that plants also have emotions? Then what are cows supposed to eat? All living things have souls, then you might as well not even drink water! On the matter of eating dogs, she says don’t eat them, and you oppose her, so that means you eat them?

C的侧脸:

I think chickens, ducks, fish, pigs, cows, geese, sheep are all my friends, so can you not eat them? Don’t use your own personal desires to hold hostage the morality and ethics of everyone else. I didn’t go through all these years of evolution to stand at the top of the food chain to eat grass! I’m furious! Do you understand the actual situation? Have you been to Guangxi? Have you been to Yulin? Do you know that the dogs we eat were bred/raised for their meat? I’m resolutely unfollowing you! Yulin girls [referring to self] are proud like this! You’re welcome!

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  • http://shanghaiist.com/ The FRED FONG

    When Chinese learn respect animals..then they can begin to respect their fellow humans

    • caspers

      yeah, you said it like every Chinese doesn’t respect animals…

  • Don’t Believe the Hype

    Such hostility to a simple call to understand a different side of an issue and change a way of thinking. No wonder there are no real debates in China. (Although I did see some signs of hope amongst the sheep)

  • Don’t Believe the Hype

    “When an earthquake happens, is it a search and rescue chicken or a search and rescue dog that comes to save people? ”
    …Nice slamdown!

    • Zappa Frank

      it’s not that i have a passion for them, but pigs too can do it..

      • arterius2

        correct, we are on the same page here today.

      • Guest

        potbelly pig rescue squad! that sounds like a great tv show.

      • Don’t Believe the Hype

        potbelly pig squad!! that sounds like something i would watch on tv, they’r so cute

    • 白色纯棉小裤裤

      You’ve never heard of chicken killing people or eating babies, either.

      • Mighty曹

        Oh my long lost love, little white cotton panties.

      • Don’t Believe the Hype

        is that a thing? if dogs kill or bite it is usually because their owner treats them badly

        • 白色纯棉小裤裤

          prove?

          • Don’t Believe the Hype

            you want proof? try kicking a dog every day, he will eventually do the same thing anyone would, fight back. Thats what dog fighting sponsors do and those who want guard dogs. The dogs arent born that way, they are trained.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            What you said is a dog will bite or kill the one who abuses it.
            However it does not prove that dogs that kill people are mostly abused by their owner.

          • Don’t Believe the Hype

            You want statistics to prove common sense. Dogs, like humans, do not spontaneously become violent, unless they are sick. There is a reason dogs turn violent just like there is a reason people turn violent.

            The world does not occur in a vacuum, you must see the context to understand it.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            What you are saying can be translated to “there is no bad guy, it is always the society’s fault when someone commits a crime.” am I right?

            Since you are giving no evidences but resort everything to “common sense”, to continue the discussion I have to give you the benefit of doubt and find evidences to defeat your unproven claim.

            “A study[6] conducted at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical School identified fatal dog bites during the period 1966–1980. They identified 74 incidents from newspapers and the medical literature. They found that the most (23) fatalities occurred in infants under 1 year old, and in most cases the dog was owned by the victim’s family. In only 3 of the incidents was the dog reported to have been provoked by kicking, hitting, or having stones thrown at it. However, several incidents involved a child attempting to pet or hug the dog”

            It seems that dogs don’t kill because they are abused, they just prey on easy targets.

          • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

            No, that’s because kids are rough. Young as they are they do not know their own strength and what they perceive as a ‘gentle’ pat may feel like a powerful slap on the head for a dog. That’s why when people look for breeds, they also include if they are ‘alright for children’, meaning a dog that can take the sort of abuse a child calls affection, or has a laid back enough personality that it won’t retaliate.

            It’s not preying on an easy target, it’s establishing itself in the pack.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            An infant under 1 yr old have the power that “they perceive as a ‘gentle’ pat may feel like a powerful slap on the head for a dog”?
            You are out of your mind.

          • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

            And you have never handled a dog before apparently. A 1 year old doesn’t pet. They grab the dogs head and push his skin back. They are not old enough to grasp the concept of petting and instead feel if they do it harder, the dog must like it.

            I’ve seen far too many kids get on the wrong side of a dog because they thought the dog liked what they were doing.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            A 1 yr old is not even able to walk. If a dog is annoyed, its is free to walk way and not to get close with the infant.

            I don’t see how can an infant provoke a dog to the point that the only resort is to kill the infant.

            Furthermore the quote I referenced does not say that the dogs were pet improperly, I like your attitude of automatically assuming that the infants who were killed were at fault in order to protect the dogs .

          • wnsk

            What kind of proof are you looking for? Go watch some documentaries, read some books. Anybody who knows anything about dogs knows this is true.

            Some dogs are trained to be aggressive, even to kill. Some dogs are bred specifically to be that way. Humans have to take responsibility in both of those cases however.

            …But all of this is moot, and a bad line of argument. Lions and water buffalo and all manner of wild animals kill humans, but we do not eat them. We don’t have to eat some animal just because it kills people.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Name a book/documentary/research paper that explicitly states that dogs only kill because they are abused by their owners/trained to do so.

          • wnsk

            I already said it was a moot point, didn’t I?

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            “Lions and water buffalo and all manner of wild animals kill humans, but we do not eat them. We don’t have to eat some animal just because it kills people. ”

            I never say that we eat dogs because they kill people. My purpose is to counter the argument “We can eat chicken but no dogs because dogs sometimes save people”

          • wnsk

            Your point that dogs “kill people and eat babies” does not actually disprove the point that dogs sometimes save people (i.e. have more utility than chicken, other than being just a source of sustenance.)

            …I have read what you wrote below though. I won’t dispute it if you say dogs prey on easy targets (esp. since you went to the trouble to quote some source–which I accept, in good faith.)

            Anyway, I doubt people’s feelings on this issue will change just because of this or that argument they’ve heard from this or that person. It’s largely a matter of personal choice and conviction, and not so much something that can be settled by debate/argument.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            If for someone dogs sometimes save people can be used as a valid point for choosing dogs in favor of chicken, then dogs sometimes eat people can also be used as a valid point for choosing chicken in favor of dogs. Otherwise that person is contradicting himself.

          • wnsk

            However, I think the number of instances in which dogs are useful/beneficial to humans far outnumber the number of instances in which they eat babies. And before you ask, no, I don’t have any statistics on hand to back this up. But it’s alright; I won’t change your mind and you won’t change mine neither.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            That’s what I would have used if I was to argue with myself.

            However I still believe the freedom of eating is one of the most important human right(along with the freedom of accessing uncensored internet), and is much more important than the freedom of speech.

          • Don’t Believe the Hype

            i really hope you are joking and not some psycho who eats whoever or whatever because it is a “right.”

            Cuz that is what cannibals do

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Well, if someone wants to eat human meat then he should have the right to do so, without hurting anyone else. That is, the one being eaten agrees him to do so. A Japanese artist cooked his penis and balls and invited people to eat, I felt disgusting, but I will protect their rights of eating whatever they want.

          • wnsk

            So, hypothetically, if this Japanese artist wanted to eat your loved one, and your loved one consented…and some policemen came to stop him, you’d do…what? Fight off those policemen? (In a bid to “protect [the artist's] rights of eating whatever they want.”)

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            There are plenty of things that I think should be legal but don’t want my loved one to do. Drinking , smoking, sleeping with random men on the street , selling her own kidney, suicide, abortion… I don’t think that’s hard to understand.

          • wnsk

            No, of course I understand you not wanting her to give consent. Nevertheless, if you really wanted to protect people’s rights to consensual cannibalism, you wouldn’t do anything to stop it despite your not wanting it to happen for personal reasons. (In fact, the word “protect” suggests taking an active stance, so it would mean you’d have to fight off those policemen, or something. )

          • JayJay

            I think some breeds of dogs are dangerous and there are laws in many countries banning breeding of such dogs. In the UK, we have the Dangerous Dogs Act that identifies certain breeds as dangerous. They will be removed and destroyed. edit: Also, different breeds are bred for different purposes, retrievers/hunting dogs, pit bull, etc. So some dogs are naturally aggressive, such as pit bulls, Japanese Tosas, which is usually bred for fighting (in fact dog fighting is a traditional Japanese sport in an area of Japan and still happens to this day. I remember growing up and reading Manga about dog fighting).

          • Rick in China

            Lots of what you (and some laws in some countries) consider “dangerous breeds” are not dangerous breeds as such, but rather are often used to train *into* aggressive rip-em-up fighters. Pits get a bad rap, they are often very lovely amazing dogs, but since their jaws can lock, they’re a key breed for those who are into dog fighting. As a result, since many of those pits are trained to fight and hate, people presume it’s the breed rather than the dog and environments in which they’re often raised.

            I have several cousins with pits and children, and they’re the most awesome dogs, much like what you’d imagine a lab would be like…except, they’re pits.

            You’ll note that police use German Shepherds – and they’re a very common family pet as well. Shepherds have extremely strong bites and are quick/nimble, good attack dogs for sure — but they’re trained as such…families can equally well train them to be awesome loving sleep-in-your-arms pets.

          • JayJay

            Right, so it depends on training then, i.e. the nurturing which makes the difference? My point is that some breeds are naturally dangerous than other breeds. I would be more comfortable having my daughter around with a Jack Russell than with a large Rottweiller or a Shepherd. Most Kennel Clubs specify breeds that are good with family or safe around Children. I think it is child abuse if you put a child in the same room as a Tibetan Mastiff, trained or untrained. Also spaying or neutering also makes a big difference to a dog’s temperament. Do you think training can make up for that too? Some dogs are naturally dangerous. Please try and tame a known dangerous breed yourself and have it around your children without incident, then I might believe your theory that there is no such thing as dangerous breeds.

          • Rick in China

            Nurturing does make a difference. Just like with *humans*. I agree that some breeds are more naturally dangerous – as with any animal in the world – and obviously a bite from a Jack Russell is less likely to kill/maim than any larger breed, but danger and aggression are two different metrics.

            For the 2nd half of your reply, it’s mostly anecdotal nonsense. Child abuse to be in the same room as a Mastiff? WHAT? Absolutely not. You understand what the word “domestication” means, right? You don’t need to *tame* a domesticated animal, you can only tame a wild animal, a domesticated animal by genetics has been bred to be ‘tamed’. Like I said – family members have pits, and have zero incidents, or even implication of potential incident..the whole point of that is, with many dogs there is a misconception that X = dangerous and Y = safe, when in fact that’s often not close to the case…..almost akin to race X = violent and race Y = smart.

          • JayJay

            OK, fair enough. At least we can agree that some breeds are more dangerous than others. I also agree that dogs can be trained to be aggressive. Although I personally think it is not safe for child to be around large dogs. I just don’t think it is OK. Same feeling I get that I will not leave my child with sharp objects around her, or prescription drugs, or alcohol, or dogs that are considered dangerous by law no matter how nurtured or well-trained it is. It is not safe in my book.

          • Rick in China

            Fair enough — but as an animal lover, I take each dog as a case to be judged. I don’t think we’re in strong disagreement ideologically on anything here – just that you’re understandably more cautious based on information given, and I’m more trusting in my own judgement on a case-by-case basis… I’m not far from you in that if I didn’t know a large dog, no f’n way I’d put my daughter near it, with or without supervision.

          • JayJay

            Haha… call me a racist… but I don’t feel the same towards cats… lol

          • Rick in China

            I had to fight tooth and nail with my wife and her family to allow my cats to stay while we had our baby. It took massive amounts of translation of *science* – good luck selling that to mainlanders ;) – and lots of begging. It basically came down to — IF kitty A has disease B, AND wife/pregnant woman C touches cat poop D, THEN wife/pregnant woman C consumes food E, THEN potentially bacteria from kitty A transmitting disease B infects wife/pregnant woman C, ELSE all is good. Please let me keep kitties. :D

          • JayJay

            Hahaha… It is a sad fact of life Rick, but the truth is we all have to eat a little shit from time to time, event cat poo. LOL

            I’m Chinese, but spent most of my teen and adult life in the UK, which is a very pet friendly country. Sometimes I also don’t get the phobia some mainlanders have with animals.

            I have no problems with animals personally, and I’d love to have pets around the house only if I don’t have any kids or they are old enough to ‘fend for themselves’ and in case of dogs, reasonably ‘safe’ ones. Or just have cats!! ;D

          • Teacher in China

            I feel your pain there on the science comment. I’ve had many an argument on scientifically proven vs. Chinese traditional thinking things. Sometimes it seems like an unwinnable battle.

          • noodles76

            It’s impossible to argue with willful ignorance.

          • wnsk

            I’m guessing you haven’t owned dogs before, or have interacted much with them.

            Size is not really a reliable indicator of aggression. JRs have pretty sharp teeth and a strong bite, and are very tough for their size. If a JR wanted to seriously injure a small child for some reason, I have no doubt that it could. In fact, JRs were originally bred to hunt foxes, and I’ve seen documentaries where they were used to hunt and kill snakes, with great efficiency. I’ve owned a JR before and, although I thought its behaviour was very good, I would nevertheless still be a bit cautious if toddlers were around–so I do get where you’re coming from. There’s always a chance of accident.

            That said, I am a firm believer in proper training. If you watch shows like Cesar Milan’s Dog Whisperer, or just interacted more with dogs…it might give you a better understanding on this.

          • Guest

            Already said it was a moot point, didn’t I?

          • Guest

            People still hunt lion and water buffalo, so that statement is isn’t really true. A reason why people make more of a big deal about killing lions and water buffalo is because they are endangered.

          • wnsk

            You mean people hunt lions to eat them? Because that’s the crux of the issue. Eating an animal because it’s dangerous.

            …But I concede I made a poor point. As far as I can tell, the “argument” ran something like this:

            白色: It’s ok to eat dogs because they kill people.
            Me: Lions also kill people. Do we eat lions?

            At which point, 白色 could have said, “No, we don’t. But it would be okay to eat them, had we wanted to.”

          • Jahar

            or poorly trained. When you breed them to kill, they need proper training.

          • whuddyasack

            Yes and no. Of course there are those dogs that have naturally been bred to hunt and kill such as racing dogs which always seem to be wearing those muzzles and the American Bullypit dogs. Sometimes, these breeds just snap and instinct takes over.

  • arterius2

    While I am against eating dogs in general, I have to mention here that these dogs were raised for the purpose consumption, much like domesticated pigs and cows, no one feels ashamed for eating a (cute little) pig or cow, so.. These dogs are not cute puppies and poodles like the house pets we are familiar with, in fact these dogs are generally quite ugly with uninteresting features, and they are not INTENDED for pets. with that said, I am still against dog eating tho.

    • Don’t Believe the Hype

      I’ve heard that BS before, and i’ve seen the dogs you are talking about. The only thing that separate them from “cute” dogs is that they look more like mutts than specialty dogs. The dogs that are sold, like pomeranians and huskies, are simply bred to look less like common dogs, which are considered unappealling because they, u know, EAT them.

      Other than their slightly less exotic appearance they are exactly the same as any kind of dog. Their intelligence is not affected by not being bred to be cute. The only actual difference is that they are treated like sh%!, beaten, tied up and left on the sidewalks, ignored and finally brutally killed and eaten.
      I know eating dogs has been around in China for a while, and that is fine, it is a cultural (and once was the essential) thing to do. But don’t debase the dogs just to justify what actually happens and help you sleep at night.

      • Zappa Frank

        well the same thing go for pigs, what’s the difference between the cute pet-pig and the one we eat?
        In the end we are no better than dog-eaters.

        • Don’t Believe the Hype

          i need my bacon, thats why!!

          • linette lee

            But pigs are very intelligent. Some pigs can do math.

          • Dr Sun

            only eat the, corn feed, steroid feed animals, that themselves eat the processed animal meat that has been injected with preservatives and dyes. Which they bought at super save, safeway and Albertsons.

          • Don’t Believe the Hype

            intelligent compared to you maybe.

            sorry, that was an opening i couldn’t resist

          • KamikaziPilot

            What!! Some pigs can do math? So if you put a board saying 2 + 4 = (blank), the pig will grunt 6 times? A lot of animals can get angry. Basically people can eat whatever animals they want, except endangered ones, just don’t tell others what they should eat.

          • fabulous

            Animals eat animals all the time. While their slaughter techniques, involving soothing music, herbal baths and anesthesia, may be more humane, I’m not sure why we shouldn’t be able to eat animals. Maybe we just need to study their more civilized culture.

      • arterius2

        if you want to judge whether to eat something based on their intelligence, then why should pigs be allowed to be eaten? they are actually very intelligent, if not less than dogs, and are also kept as pets in some parts of the world (namely the west), pigs are also known to rescue their owner in the case of accidents and fire, so in a way they can also be considered to be man’s friend. So if someone wants to protest against consumption of dogs, they should also do the same for pigs, just sayin.

        Don’t mind me tho, I’m just playing devil’s advocate here.

        To answer my own question here, people are just generally prejudice and they don’t even realize it, pigs are chubby with stubby legs and stupid looking so they are more deserving of being eaten than other animals. people probably don’t feel so attached to them, in fact with all that fat on them its almost a sin not to eat them.

        • christina

          “chubby with stubby legs and stupid looking…”
          are we talking about certain people on chinasmack here?

          ;)

          • Dr Sun

            I hope your not suggesting we become cannibals to save the site

          • mr.wiener

            Eat the vegetarians first.

          • Germandude

          • Irvin

            I don’t know, are you chubby?

          • mr.wiener

            This doesn’t mean we can eat her, if she was.

          • Germandude

            Dude, did you lose your Mod status to @christina last night? I see her having Mod status now and your’s is gone.

            Don’t let your wife know!

          • mr.wiener

            I thought there was a weight lifted off my shoulders….no, it’s back again.

          • Germandude

            Wow, it does show now again, but was absent just now…

            It’s thursday morning here and I didn’t drink last night. Somebody must’ve put sth into my coffee… I am seeing things…

          • Irvin

            You sure about that? >:)

          • christina

            I prefer the term “pleasantly plump”

          • Irvin

            That’s the best type of chubby, tender to the bite while meaty to the chew. lol

          • christina

            bahaha actually I don’t think I’m that succulent- I was accused of being anorexic when I had a full body picture up on cS

          • Irvin

            Show me that pic one of these days and let me judge for myself >:)

        • Don’t Believe the Hype

          i’m not entirely convinced potbellys are smarter than dogs, but your argument is valid

        • Irvin

          actually pigs were tested to have a higher IQ than dogs, they are second only to chimpanzees.

          • KamikaziPilot

            Uhhhh, how exactly to you test an IQ of a pig or dog? Maybe see how much you can train them or how much they learn?

          • wnsk

            Same as with people, silly. We make them take written IQ tests.

          • Irvin

            Just google or youtube it.

        • wnsk

          One species at a time, man. Perhaps the whole world would be vegetarian one day (probably not in our lifetimes though.)

          But dogs first because, as one astute Chinese commentator pointed out, they are useful to us in so many other ways. Pigs can’t sniff out drugs/bombs, guide blind people, etc etc.

          • Insomnicide

            Just you wait, I’m going to teach pigs how to guide blind people.

          • Rick in China

            Nonsense – pigs have been used as guides for the blind – actually pigs are one of the most intelligent and trainable animals on the planet. They also have been used for drug/bomb/mine sniffing.

          • wnsk

            By golly, you’re right. So why aren’t they used as much as dogs in these capacities then? Less effective perhaps?

          • Rick in China

            According to “BIRD, R. D. (1996) An examination of the training and reliability of the narcotics detection dog. Kentucky Law Journal, 85, 405 -433″ – Pigs are better than dogs at sniffing for drugs, however, because of the relationship between man and their domesticated canine friends, generally we opt for dogs rather than pigs to serve that sort of purpose. Dogs typically have a friendly group/pack mentality and I suppose they’ve grown much more loving and feel/behave more like a ‘partner’ than many pigs, who are typically seen as disgusting pieces of shit we grind up for food and little more. :D

            I think the intelligence/etc factors depend on breed – both of the pig and of the dog. Both are incredibly smart. We just treat one like family and the other like sustenance.

          • wnsk

            I’d venture to say it’s also for economic reasons. Perhaps pigs are just more viable as a farmable food source (they grow to be a lot fatter than dogs, among other reasons), for better or worse.

            But, hypothetically, if there was to be a ban on eating either chicken, pig, or dog, I’d still vote for dog, if only for personal reasons (I keep dogs and have first-hand experience of their utility and positive impact.)

          • Rick in China

            Hypothetically, I agree. Personally, I love dogs. I also love cats. In my mind I’d like to see neither killed or consumed. However, in reality and logically, I think it’s far out of anyone’s jurisdiction of moral authority to tell other people they need to abide by their own idea of which is OK and not OK to eat :D

          • wnsk

            That said, if Yang Mi (and others like her) wants to protest against eating dogs, it would be well within her rights to do so as well.

            She doesn’t have greater moral authority than the rest of us of course, but she has her celebrity status–and is free to use it in whichever way she chooses.

          • Rick in China

            Absolutely. Personally I support the idea of not eating dogs, for whatever reason..doesn’t matter much. I support her not only in cause but in right to protest, and for once, I suppose we have agreement!

    • Dax

      Some friends of mine adopted a dog that was to be sold for meat. He’s smart as hell and much more attractive looking than those ass-ugly little under-bite pekingese i see running around everywhere.

  • Mighty曹

    Animals in the Chinese Zodiac should be ‘off limit’. I do wonder what Dragon tastes like?

    • Dr Sun

      if you can find one I’ll eat it

      • Mighty曹

        You’ll eat Komodo Dragon.

    • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

      So a cat is fine then…

      • Mighty曹

        In ancient days cats were the size of modern day tigers. The Tiger in the zodiac is really a Cat.

      • Surfeit

        CAT?! WHERE?! WHERE?!

  • http://yoursexycousinrex.tumblr.com/ Your Sexy Cousin Rex

    it’s a dog eat dog world girlfriend
    who are you to masquerade as some noble being when you throw babies under a truck

  • KamikaziPilot

    I like the last Chinese comment the best. As far as I’m concerned, all animals can be used as food. I don’t condone causing undue suffering to an animal but if you want to eat it of course you have to kill it. Regarding dogs, of course you shouldn’t eat someone else’s pet, but if the dogs were bred for consumption or even wild dogs, it’s fine to eat them. I don’t buy this BS rationale about certain animals being more intelligent, having feelings, being friends of humans, etc, as a reason for not eating them. Some people say dogs are man’s best friend, well then what about those dogs that kill and maul humans? Eat what you want, but don’t be a hypocrite and tell others what they can and cannot eat.

    • Don’t Believe the Hype

      “well then what about those dogs that kill and maul humans? Eat what you want.”
      Nice comeback!!!!!!! Although you can’t really blame the dogs when you are trying to kill them afterall.

      • don mario

        lol yea… ever seen a dog skin a human alive and take out it eyes and dump it onto a truck full of dead humans?

        and hey maybe those dogs that mauled humans just wanted a nice juicy human steak! whats wrong with that.

    • mr.wiener

      My problem is not with eating dog [I have eaten it before and wasn't too impressed] My problem is with the preparation of the dog for eating.
      i’m not sure if it occurs all the time, but I think the dogs are sometimes tortured to make sure their meat is full of adrenalin when it is eaten.

      I’d welcome anyone’s confirmation or refutation of this.

      • Rick in China

        The dog I’ve eaten was torched alive to burn off the fur and bucked into chunks/thrown into hot pot, skin on. It was a pretty horrific experience all in, and while the meat itself tasted alright, it most definitely smelled a little weird to me and it took some will to power through and consume — not as much as bull cock, that was far worse, but definitely some power required.

        The thing is, most restaurants that serve dog, do not serve the type of dog most think of as pets from what I know — it’s a less-friendly less-attractive more-wild breed that there’s no way you’re petting. I agree with you that it’s less about whether we eat them (if you are anti-eating dog, expected also to be anti-eating pig or chicken or whatever, ya?) and more about the torture thing, that whole concept is just fucking insane to me. Literally, bordering psychopathic – what kind of mentality would one have to have to torture another animal without having nightmares.

        • Teacher in China

          That is fucking horrific. I saw someone unloading buckets of dog from the back of a truck last year, and right on the top of the bucket I glanced into was a fucking skinless, eyeless dog head, with all its teeth still there…I haven’t been able to eat dog since then.

          • Rick in China

            That’s cry-worthy…or at least definitely heavy-cringe worthy. It’s really weird how we could look at a dog head and get that sort of visceral reaction, but if we see a, say, rabbit head – while weird, not a big deal…

          • Teacher in China

            Part of it was the fact that the friendly “dog smile” was still there, but twisted and warped into this menacing mocking death mask…

          • don mario

            was it dead?

          • Teacher in China

            Ha, yeah, not only dead but chopped into portable bucket-sized pieces.

          • don mario

            i’ve seen some photos of that too.. would not like to see the real deal. its even a bit weird seeing the other animals like chicken and ducks with their head still on in china but its a reality check.

          • Teacher in China

            Spicy duck head is pretty popular here in Dongbei. The first time I watched my wife chow down on one I was like “Iiiiii’m not sure I can ever kiss you again….”

        • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

          “The dog I’ve eaten was torched alive to burn off the fur and bucked into chunks/thrown into hot pot, skin on. It was a pretty horrific experience all in”

          Don’t worry. Pain is just a vague, arbitrary human construct. The dog probably didn’t feel a thing––at least no worse than the plants you eat.

          • Rick in China

            Right. I’m sure it felt what we can relate to as pain, but I’m not capable of saying whether that’s “better” or “worse” than that of the plants I eat.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            Would you characterize cutting celery as “horrific”? If not, you’re clearly making a distinction between animal/mammal pain and plant pain––the same exact distinction that I made earlier.

            If you think it’s wrong to torch a living dog to burn off its fur but not to boil vegetables, you are in fact saying the former is “worse” than the latter.

            So it turns out we agree! Great news, huh?

          • linette lee

            Hey Matt, I like your photo. :)

          • Rick in China

            From my personal perspective, yes, that’s true. From an objective perspective, no, that’s not factually true. “Better” and “worse” are, in many cases, also perceived constructs. I’m sure if we shared the same sensory as celery rather than dogs, we’d flip the ‘better’ and ‘worse’ in this example also.

            Of course we agree that killing a dog is worse than cutting celery. The difference is, however, I do so with the knowledge I’m a subjective selfish being, and that my version of “right” and “wrong” is not objectively true, which seems to be what you’re implying in most of your last replies in this thread.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            If you understand that the reason you have pity for the dog being burned alive is nothing more than your own subjective selfishness, and that there is no objective reason to feel bad for the dog, why not make the logical conclusion that you shouldn’t feel bad for the dog? If there truly is no objective difference between burning a living dog and cutting a stick of celery, then you should not object to sniping off a dog’s legs or throwing it live into a cauldron of boiling water.

            Considering it’s only your subjective selfishness to appreciate human pain, perhaps you should also have no problem with slicing up or boiling live humans, since it’s objectively no worse than slicing or boiling celery.

          • Rick in China

            *Yawn*. As you seem to be doing in any of your replies or posts on this topic, you summarize and misinform about what was said *to you*. I didn’t say it’s logical not to feel bad for a dog in that circumstance. I said it’s objectively out of place to determine whether cutting one living organism over another is morally better or worse. If you can’t see the difference between those statements, there’s not much else to discuss. It’s absolutely subjective, and you didn’t reply to my point about whether if we shared genetics with the celery moreso than the dog whether you think we’d be more inclined to ‘morally lean’ the other direction in your stupid scenario.

            Of course, you can semi-Godwin-style it and say “well just chop up humans and eat them, obviously you think that’s great!” — Good job.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            Why do people keep bringing up morality? I’ve never even mentioned morality, nor do I even believe in the concept of morality.

            Let me ask you one question:

            Am I allowed to believe that unnecessarily killing cognitively sophisticated, non-human animals in a painful manner is wrong? Yes or no?

            If I’m not even allowed to believe that, there’s not much to discuss.

          • don mario

            like i already said. its a pretty psychopathic way to live and you should probably be locked up if you have as much compassion for a dog that you have for a stick of celery. i’m familiar with this argument and i used to follow it myself for a while so i am not having a go at you.. just disagree with it now.

          • don mario

            if you look at it like that you can measure levels of pain in veg that are like… really high.

            in my opinion though, if you can ignore other living things pain and suffering that we relate to and write it off as a vague human construct or a number on a pain reading you are kind of a psychopath. having compassion makes us human.

        • linette lee

          I do like to eat meat. I think it’s important to give our food a quick death as painless as possible and the way they kill dogs and cats is just horrific. The Chinese believe by torturing the dogs and cats their blood will circulate better due to pain, and the meat will taste better. And because of that, I will not be eating dogs and cats.

          • don mario

            so are you going to stop eating other meat too? you should see how they treat cows and pigs.

        • don mario

          aww so it was not a widdle cute doggy so it was ok?

          i don’t really understand that logic. its not cute, its an ugly mongrel so its ok to eat it? its still the same domesticated DOG. if you have a problem with eating dogs that logic doesn’t change a thing.

          and yea, they eat the cute ones too. you could find that out from china smack gallery’s.

          the restaurant sounds pretty horrific, i guess laowais love a bit of adventure! nice little bit of animal torture to get a feel for the local culture.

          honestly, tell me please. why stop there? why not go the whole hog and try some child urine soaked eggs, thats a local custom too, more adventurous than eating boring old dog! jeez, every laowai trys that..

        • Packers

          I’d take issue with ‘less-friendly less-attractive more-wild breed’. I took on one of these ‘eating dogs’ (wanted a dog, wasn’t about to play any part in perpetuating the puppy farming horrors that abound over here) and, apart from being a general pain in the arse, he is very friendly, would not last 5mins in the ‘wild’ and is actually quite the looker. Saying that, any animal that is humanely disposed of (and not endangered) is fair game for the pot – I think.

      • Free Man

        I also hear this rumor about dogs being beaten before being killed, so that the meat is full of adrenaline. I don’t know if it’s true, but at the places I eat dog they just don’t have the time to beat the “food”. You order and a few minutes later food is on your table. If the dog was alive until my order, I doubt that it was beaten to dead, because that requires some time. Of course it could also be that the dog was killed beforehand and stored somewhere.

        • Germandude

          One of the first things I have seen in China during a round-trip was how a dog was slaughtered in a mountain village in Jiangsu province.
          Rope around the neck. Hung up over a traffic light/lamp/lantern kind of thing and then 3 guys beating the dog til death.
          Not a nice view for sure.

          • mr.wiener

            An educational experience. WTC

        • don mario

          nice big post of guesswork there.

      • Dr Sun

        Adrenaline has a taste ?

        • mr.wiener

          I believe the attraction is less about taste than the heat or chi of the meat.

          • Dr Sun

            To feel the “heat” of a hormonal neurotransmitter like adrenaline (epinephrine) with a half life of 2-3 minutes, you’d have to be eating that meat while its still living or raw.

          • noodles76

            I don’t know about all that but I do know it’s said that if some animals (often mammals I think) die when they are scared it alters the flavor of the meat. True or not, I don’t know. Some folks believe crap that’s not true. I see a lot of discussion about it among hunters but no definitive proof either way…none that I found in a moment of lazy searching anyway.

          • Dr Sun

            never argue with a hunter

          • don mario

            is it really worth getting scientific about it? look at all the other crap chinese believe.

            you can buy dried lizards…. for your dick…… i rest my case.

          • mr.wiener

            Good info thanks doc. Perhaps it is just the belief that they are getting adrenalin in the meat the keeps this practice going.

      • don mario

        wouldn’t be surprised, they do a lot of sick stuff to other animals to make sure it is ‘fresh’

      • Da didi

        I”ve heard the same. I believe they also kill the dogs in front of other dogs to also induce adrenalin. Some sort of aphrodisiac or TCM cure.

    • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

      I hate to do this because I don’t want to open a can of worms (I’ve been swamped with jury duty all week; I shouldn’t even be spending time reading this), but I simply can’t resist:

      “As far as I’m concerned, all humans can be used as food. I don’t condone causing undue suffering to a human but if you want to eat it of course you have to kill it. Regarding humans, of course you shouldn’t eat someone else’s friend, but if the humans were bred for consumption or even wild humans, it’s fine to eat them. I don’t buy this BS rationale about humans being intelligent, having feelings, being friendly, etc, as a reason for not eating them. Some people say humans are man’s best friend, well then what about those humans that kill and maul other humans? Eat what you want, but don’t be a hypocrite and tell others what they can and cannot eat.”

      I realize the above might sound like a pointless and ridiculous comment, but in all honesty, that is precisely what those sorts of comments sound like to me. This is nothing personal to KamikaziPilot since I’ve encountered these sorts of comments hundreds of times, but it really does repulse me in a manner similar to hearing someone defend slavery or rape. I hate to invoke Godwin’s law, but since I’m ridiculously tired and don’t have enough time to write a more carefully crafted comment, I’ll bluntly note that I’m sure this was the sort of mindset Nazi death camp officers used to morally justify their own murderous actions (ditto for Khmer Rouge butchers, Rwandan butchers, etc).

      In full disclosure, I’m not even a vegetarian myself, so please don’t get the idea that I’m just being self-righteous and looking down on others. I feel pretty disgusted with myself for eating cow and pig meat (only on rare occasion, FWIW). The only reason I haven’t stopped eating meat is the same reason that I don’t vote––I know it won’t make any difference.

      That said, to be honest, I don’t really mind killing carnivores. If an animal eats other animals alive (e.g., tearing off prey’s flesh while it squirms for life), then I think it’s fair game. I just hate to see harmless herbivores slaughtered; it seems so unfair that they never hurt anyone and yet by cruel destiny of natural evolution are doomed to a life of one-way slaughter. For me, it’s like the difference between killing a convicted murderer and killing a human who has never harmed anyone.

      Damn, I didn’t intend to write so much. In all honesty, I hope no one responds because I really don’t have time to get into a long debate. I just had to get this off my chest.

      • KamikaziPilot

        I had to respond to you because I don’t get what you’re saying. So my argument repulses you because it’s similar to the argument used to justify Nazism and other genocides? I’m not sure I see the connection there. Are you saying I equate animals with Jews, intellectuals, and Tutsi that were slaughtered? That you disapprove of people thinking it’s “natural” for animals to be killed for human consumption? I understand your logic if you disapprove of killing defenseless animals, although I don’t agree. If that’s really the basis for your argument I can’t really argue against that. I just think there’s a big difference between animals and people and I’m only okay with killing non-endangered animals as humanely as possible for consumption. I mean if you’re against killing all defenseless animals, how about defenseless plants? How do we know they don’t feel pain?

        • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

          I equate animals with animals. Humans belong to the kingdom Animalia and are therefore animals. I don’t argue that killing animals (including humans) is unnatural, only that it generally ought to be avoided for reasons of “morality” that admittedly are unique to the present human experience (e.g., killing humans use to be widespread and considered normal, and in many places in the world it still is).

          I agree that killing non-human animals as humanly as possible for consumption would be about as ideal of a compromise as could feasibly be had, but I would argue that such a thing would involve those animals being painlessly made unconscious before being killed, and I don’t think that happens at all in the present era. Most killing of animals for consumption seems to involve being them being bludgeoned, grinded, scalded, or sliced while still conscious. That said, I don’t really care whether they’re “endangered” or not; after all, humans are one of the least-endangered species, and I wouldn’t want anyone using that as a reason to justify killing me.

          I do generally subscribe to the “intelligence argument” that qualifies animal pain (which includes human pain) as fundamentally more significant than theorized “plant pain” that involves neither sophisticated brains nor complex nervous systems. If non-human animals didn’t squirm while being killed, I probably would not object to killing them for consumption.

          • KamikaziPilot

            Okay so in your opinion all animals shouldn’t be killed since that would cause them pain and suffering and would be immoral right? Seems like an idealist point of view. I know humans are technically animals but when people say “animals” I think you know what they mean. If you feel that way I won’t argue against it but I just think it isn’t realistic. I mean since the beginning of life on Earth animals have been eating other animals. How is that supposed to change?

            Regarding your intelligence argument where do you draw the line? Is it okay to kill worms, insects, dumb birds like doves, how about mentally retarded humans? There will always be detractors from any argument like mine but realistically we all have to eat, and I’m pretty most people don’t want to be vegetarians for life. Anyways I respect your opinion but it’s not realistic to except many to agree with you IMO.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            I didn’t say it was realistic. Of course I understand it’s idealistic. It’s also idealistic to oppose the killing of humans, but that doesn’t mean it’s wrong to oppose killing humans.

            I certainly don’t expect anyone to agree with me. PETA is hated about as much as Al Qaeda, and there’s is definitely general hostility to vegetarians. Again, I’m not even a vegetarian myself; I just feel bad about eating meat, the same way I feel bad about using products made by slave labor.

            The world is not black and white. I do believe that greater sentience, intelligence, and exposure to pain makes an animal’s death more tragic. After all, many people already believe that the death of an innocent child would be more tragic than the death of an adult who has committed murder. I’m not the first person to estimate a hierarchy of those deserving life. The concept is not mine alone.

          • KamikaziPilot

            I understand your point of view now. Agree to disagree. BTW I never heard of this hostility towards vegetarians.

          • noodles76

            Everybody hates vegans. Vegetarians are cute though. I don’t mind any choice another makes as long as they aren’t dickholes about it and they don’t hurt anyone else…..or preach about it. People who eat meat then feel bad about it later are…um…a joke?

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            What is so bad about that?

            I know people utterly abhor these comparisons, but complaining about people “preaching” against killing animals is like people hating abolitionists “preaching” against slavery in the 1800s. A more analogous contemporary example would be people who “preach” against abortion. I don’t see how someone can be so offended by someone who’s literally just trying to prevent suffering.

          • KamikaziPilot

            I just have a couple of questions for you. First where do you draw the line at what is moral to eat and what is not? I know you said plants and carnivores are okay but what about simpler probably less intelligent life forms like worms and jellyfish or insects? Secondly, what do you really suggest people do to sustain themselves? Just eat plants for their whole life? I just think if something isn’t very realistic (not eating animals), then it’s puzzling why you feel so strongly about it.

          • linette lee

            They say it’s healthier to take meat out of your diet. Just be vegetarian. Eat soy and beans for protein. But I love meat.

          • KamikaziPilot

            Who says it’s healthier to only eat plants? I know too much red meat isn’t good but I’m not sure an all plant diet is the healthiest out there. I read a story on Eskimos in Alaska who ate mostly meat (seals, reindeer, whale) with very little plants, and they were very healthy. The story said it was probably the type of meats they ate that were healthier than the meat you find in your typical supermarket.

          • don mario

            i think its a widely followed trail of thought in asia. in the west not so much.

            but hey look at who is generally fatter and unhealthier..

          • Rick in China

            “what do you really suggest people do to sustain themselves?”

            Inedia. Obviously.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            Right, because there is no such thing as food that isn’t meat.

            To quote the comment I just made to KamikaziPilot:

            There is plenty of food to go around not involving mammalian flesh. Between vegetables, fruits, mushrooms, legumes, nuts, grains, dairy products, and all the processed non-foods so many people eat anyway, there is literally no nutrient that we are required to consume that is only found in meat. Vitamin B12 exists in crimini mushrooms and protein exists in ample amounts in whey. Complete protein exists in quinoa. If you traverse the subjective spectrum and make an exception for small fish like sardines, you have access to superior nutrients that aren’t even available in standard farm meats to begin with.

          • noodles76

            So then please explain to me why you just sucked down a bacon hamburger?

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            The same reason I don’t vote. I’m not narcissistic enough to believe my solitary actions would constitute a difference.

          • noodles76

            I get it, you are excused from all your behaviors just because one person isn’t enough to make a difference? Wow.

            Thank you for showing your true colors.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            “Excused”? Why do you use the terminology of blame? Ah, I get it: You feel insecure and guilty, which is why you think this is a matter of judging “good people” and “bad people”. That explains it. Sorry pal, but you can leave your victim complex at the door because I’m not judging you for eating meat. No one is persecuting you. Relax, you’re not on trial. Get over yourself; this isn’t about you.

          • wnsk

            While It’s true that your not eating meat won’t make a difference to the larger picture, it would at least prevent you from feeling bad about it. Isn’t that reason enough for you to stop? Or not?

          • Dr Sun

            Nothing better than dog or horse hotpot on a chilly winter night.

          • wnsk

            Oh come on, Dr Sun…you’re trolling! :]

          • Dr Sun

            nope, I like it.
            makes your “blood hot” great winter eating.

          • wnsk

            Yeah well, good for you! :]

          • Dr Sun

            you should try it, it’s delicious :)

          • wnsk

            GET THEE BEHIND ME, SATAN!

            We don’t have winter where I’m from, but thanks for the tip anyway. Hah.

          • Dr Sun

            well you you can always throw it on the barbie

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            Perhaps my “feel bad” remark was a bit too blunt. I feel about as bad as the average person does knowing their clothes were likely manufactured in a sweat shop employing underpaid child laborers. I don’t lose sleep over it (I have enough other things to lose sleep over), but I do feel strongly enough about it to object to people casually mocking what I consider to be animal genocide, similar to how I’ve never lost sleep over the genocide in Darfur but would have been disgusted if I saw someone cracking jokes about it.

            I suppose I haven’t made it clear that I DON’T eat meat most of the time. Sardines aside (yes, I eat sardines), I eat meat probably no more than once a month, usually as a pizza topping, and practically never as part of a regular meal (by which I mean a meal I prepared at home, which constitutes the overwhelming majority of my meals since I rarely eat out).

            The only reason why I ate a burger yesterday is because I’ve been on jury duty this week, and I didn’t feel like bringing cans of sardines to court, so I decided to buy something there, and I figured I may as well try the special of the day, which just happened to be a bacon guacamole hamburger. That is probably the first hamburger I’ve had this year, and it will probably be one of the last. Again, I don’t feel bad about one single incident of a hamburger being eaten so much as the general concept of millions of cows and pigs being slaughtered every year to perpetuate this industry, which frankly is not affected by entities smaller than increments of millions.

          • wnsk

            I suppose that’s about fair. Not that I’m trying to judge you or anything, but at least it makes what you’re saying sound more sensible (where it mightn’t have been, before your clarification.)

          • Rick in China

            Right, because obviously I was serious.

            There is enough crimini mushrooms and quinoa to feed 7 billion people – lets start a farm and get to work!

            Actually, I ate quinoi tonight – at a vegan restaurant. Quinoa doesn’t taste wonderful, but it’s edible and healthy no doubt. Your main problem in your arguments here is that you’re far, far too serious – and end up (as noodles suggests) looking like a preachy douche, rather than informative. Eventually I’m sure meat will be a much smaller part of the common human diet, but for now, it can be very healthy, suited to many people’s taste, and is absolutely a viable and abundant resource for humans to eat. That’s all there is to it.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            Food sources are abundant because they’re farmed. If quinoa and crimini mushrooms were as widely farmed as cows and pigs (and corn for that matter) there would indeed be enough for everybody, at least compared to consumption rates now. Don’t forget that the entire country of India (nearly one-fifth of the world’s population) is already mostly vegetarian. And many people in the developed world already eat mostly vegetarian or pescaterian diets anyway. It’s not as unfathomably absurd as you seem to think. Keep in mind that I’m not saying people should be forced not to eat meat.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            I don’t see it as a matter of morality; I see it as a matter of reducing unnecessary suffering endured by innocents. You can argue that it is arbitrary to make a distinction between more cognitively sophisticated animals and less cognitively sophisticated animals, but that is no less arbitrary than the distinction between humans and cute pets on one hand and all animals on the other. Most people also feel bad about slaughtering dolphins and whales. Why? That is no less arbitrary. It’s because they recognize that whales and dolphins are intelligent beings; the only problem is that they do not appreciate the comparable knowledge of pigs and, to a lesser extent, other farm animals.

            There is plenty of food to go around not involving mammalian flesh. Between vegetables, fruits, mushrooms, legumes, nuts, grains, dairy products, and all the processed non-foods so many people eat anyway, there is literally no nutrient that we are required to consume that is only found in meat. Vitamin B12 exists in crimini mushrooms and protein exists in ample amounts in whey. Complete protein exists in quinoa. If you traverse the subjective spectrum and make an exception for small fish like sardines, you have access to superior nutrients that aren’t even available in standard farm meats to begin with.

          • noodles76

            Seriously? You propose eating more processed foodstuffs over meat? Actually…your words were…”mammalian flesh” . Non mammal flesh is OK by you? Good to know where you draw the line……

            You type a lot of words but have not made a valid point yet.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            “Seriously? You propose eating more processed foodstuffs over meat?” Are you an ESL folk? Let me do you the favor of repeating what I said:

            “Between vegetables, fruits, mushrooms, legumes, nuts, grains, dairy products, and all the processed non-foods so many people eat anyway, there is literally no nutrient that we are required to consume that is only found in meat.”

            I did not propose eating more processed foodstuffs. I pointed out that nutrition is not a valid argument in favor of meat, and an aspect of that is the fact that many people voluntarily eat less nutrient-dense food anyway.

          • noodles76

            Go ahead and google vegan + supplements. Nutrition is a valid argument as the vegan community itself acknowledges. This however, was not my point. I will defend your right to eat all the processed foods you want. I’ll defend your right to only eat vegetables if you so desire. I only ask you to get off your high horse.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            Why would I have to Google that? I am well versed in nutrition. If you’d like to cite something specific, by all means, do so.

          • noodles76

            Since you’re the expert, I’ll let you site specific sources that show readily and easily available foods are enough for a vegan diet without supplements.

            Either way, this is off topic. I don’t care if you or anyone else is a vegan (again…this is provided said vegan is not a preachy fucker) You have the right to eat whatever you choose to. If your diet requires you to take vitamin supplements to have a healthy life…that’s also your choice.

            EDIT: I am done with this argument. You have shown time and time again that you do not want a conversation. You change the goalposts every time you post. In fact, I find it difficult to think of a logical fallacy not present in the shit you posted.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            I am done with this argument. You have shown time and time again that you do not want a conversation. You change the goalposts every time you post. In fact, I find it difficult to think of a logical fallacy not present in the shit you posted.

            Translation:

            “I’ve run out of insults.”

          • noodles76

            Hardly.

          • whuddyasack

            Bravo hahahaha.

          • noodles76

            People abhor comparisons because comparisons are often bullshit. Like yours for example. You really don’t see a difference between being a vegetarian and being a vegetarian who preaches about it? I can have a meal with a vegetarian….but if they start preaching to me about how bad it is to eat meat, they’ll be wearing my steak as a hat. Anti-abortionists get a fetus as a hat if they start preaching.

            It’s not a matter of being offended or not. If I were offended by stupidity I’d have a very rough time of it. For example, I am not offended by your inability to comprehend the written word, I never said vegetarians offended me.

            Go have a hamburger then sit in the corner feeling bad about it later…….

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            Do you think it’s wrong to preach against slavery?

            “I can have a meal with an abolitionist….but if they start preaching to me about how slavery is bad, they’ll be wearing my slave’s balls as a hat.”

            If someone perceives a moral tragedy, such as a genocide (whether it be of fetuses, non-human animals, or post-birth humans), I don’t blame them for, at the very least, speaking out against it. If it were 1940, I would not blame anyone for speaking out against the Holocaust. If it were 1994, I would not blame anyone for “preaching” that we should be doing something about the bloodshed in Rwanda.

            I had a bacon hamburger yesterday, thank you very much. My thoughts about it are the same as the thoughts of owning products made by slave labor. The difference is that I don’t see people so casually dismiss and enthusiastically mock those who oppose slave labor.

          • noodles76

            What…the…fuck…are you talking about? Are we talking about slavery here? Human rights? Genocide? Stop being a penis and address the conversation directly without all the ridiculous and absurd comparisons.

            You are a walking joke and you don’t even see it. For all your sanctimonious bullshit you are nothing but a hypocrite. You said yourself you eat meat but….you feel bad about it later. Where are your balls? What kind of half
            assed, milquetoast garbage is that? If you don’t agree
            with eating meat and care so much about the ethical treatment of animals then make a difficult life choice and become a vegetarian. If not, nothing you say
            carries any weight.

            I never said I disregard vegetarians and I don’t generally belittle them…as long as they keep their ideals to themselves. It’s the preachy fuckers that need a slap in the face. You apparently failed to comprehend that since you are a rare breed…you are a preachy fucker yet indulge in the very act you preach against. You somehow think that if you… “feel pretty disgusted with myself for eating cow and pig meat” (your words)…then it’s A-OK.

            The bullshit and hypocrisy is strong in you.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            Why are you so hostile? Why does this make you so angry and aggressive? Why are you so bothered by the fact that I don’t like living beings to suffer? I’m not preaching; I’m giving my opinion, just as you are yours. If I’m “preaching” against eating meat, then you’re preaching for eating meat; so recognize that you’re not any different. In fact, I’m not even insulting you for eating meat, whereas you’re personally insulting me simply for opposing the killing of animals. Take a look in the mirror and realize who’s the real dick.

            I’m allowed to have an opinion about something without actively participating in it. Just because I haven’t voted in favor of gay marriage (when I could have) doesn’t mean it’s “hypocritical” for me to speak in favor of gay marriage (or marijuana legalization, or whatever).

            Calm down and leave the juvenile insults at the door. You say you’re not offended, but this clearly upsets you on a personal level. Or people simply not allowed to publicly disagree with you on this matter?

          • noodles76

            I’m not angry that you don’t like living beings to suffer. Stop moving the goalposts when it suits you. I also do not agree with suffering of any kind. That however, is not what you’ve been talking about and it’s not what I responded to. I am not preaching to others about the rewards of eating meat, not at all. As I said earlier, I don’t give a fuck what others eat.

            What makes me angry is that you pretend to want a conversation when you clearly don’t. You’re a hypocrite and you’re incapable of having an intelligent discussion. You’ve made it clear you’re only able to make hilarious comparisons and dodge personal responsibility.

            So far, you’ve brought into this conversation about eating meat….animal suffering, genocide, abortion, pot smoking, gay marriage, and slavery. Well played!!

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            I’m not “moving any goalposts”. I’m just stating my honest opinions. You are reprimanding me (in fact, insulting and harassing me) for thinking the unnecessary slaughtering of animals is something that should be avoided. Am I not allowed to think this? Or am I allowed to think this, but not express this?

            What exactly do you expect me to say? What indicates I don’t want to have a conversation? How am I a hypocrite incapable of having an intelligent discussion? What “personal responsibility” do I have in sharing my honest opinions in a Disqus thread? It’s easy to throw out vague accusations, but it doesn’t mean anything. Stick to criticizing things I actually say instead of just shielding yourself with hostile ad hominems. Why have I not found it necessary to personally attack you? Is it because I am confident with my position and you are not so confident of yours? An honest person need not lack confidence.

          • Mighty曹

            Sorry to butt in but…. Noodles, you do come off as a giant prick with attitude. You have some of the best opinions I’ve seen here but you need to tone down the hostility a bit. Well, at least you’re not obnoxious and risk being banned (as I once was). LOL!

          • noodles76

            I’ve seen decent points (and some less than decent) being compared to rape, slavery, genocide and so on. Yeah, I’m hostile.

            This is a conversation about eating dog. Whenever a certain somebody gets called on his bullshit he retreats to the argument about animal cruelty. I do not recall anybody here supporting animal cruelty.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            The point is that if something thinks a tragedy is occurring, he or she is allowed to speak out against it. Just because you don’t care about animal suffering doesn’t mean no one else is allowed to. I personally don’t care about marijuana legalization, but I don’t hate activists who “preach” in favor of it. They have every right to.

          • noodles76

            That’s the entire point though. Man up if you think eating meat is the tragedy and stop eating it. If you think the slaughter of animals in it’s current form is repulsive or unjust or it’s against your morals……stop sucking down bacon hamburgers. Do not hide behind the fact that you are only one person and pretend it makes you less of a hypocrite.

            Nobody wants animals to suffer here. Nobody is going to argue against the humane treatment (even in death) of animals. Well, no sane and well balanced person anyway.

          • don mario

            he aint preaching it numb nuts. he never told u to stop eating meat.

          • Mighty曹

            I must say it was not a fair comparison between ‘animal cruelty’ vs ‘slavery’. One can say ‘slaves were treated like animals’ but the two acts were distinct and for different reasons.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            I’m not saying the two acts are for the same reason or are equally bad. I’m just saying they’re both things that someone can have valid reason to speak out against.

          • noodles76

            Do you not see that preaching about it while consuming a bacon hamburger makes you a hypocrite? To take a page from your book for a moment….it would be like preaching against slavery then going home to whip your field hands. Or preaching against abortion while performing them as a doctor. Or preaching against genocide while annihilating a race of people. To continue, I have no problem what religion (if any) somebody believes in, I just don’t want their beliefs preached at me. What’s hard to get about that? I don’t have any problems with vegans or vegetarians……provided they aren’t dickholes about it…..which is what I said in my first post that apparently kicked off this shitstorm.

            (I tried making this point in other ways but seems this may be the best way for you to understand. I am not actually comparing these various situations, just trying to speak a language you can comprehend)

            I don’t think it was my preaching remark that got you riled up though. i think it was when I laughed at you for being a pathetic person who says they believe in something then not only does nothing about it but that you’re also a person whose ‘beliefs’ are contradicted by your own actions.

            I feel pretty disgusted with myself for eating cow and pig meat (only on rare occasion, FWIW). The only reason I haven’t stopped eating meat is the same reason that I don’t vote––I know it won’t make any difference.

            What a sad attitude.

            I eat it because I think it’s fucking delicious. That’s honesty. Try it out, see how it fits.

            I only eat meat because it won’t make a difference if I don’t has to be one of the greatest cop out excuses I’ve ever read here.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            That’s the problem–I’m NOT preaching. I’m just saying I think the unnecessary killing of pain-sensitive, sentient living beings should ideally be avoided. I’m not fucking judging you like some fire-and-brimstone Bible thumper, so get over your insane victim complex.

            I don’t have any problems with people who eat meat……provided they aren’t dickholes about it. I’m not a dickhole about eating meat–you are. For me, meat is an edible substance that unfortunately typically requires an immense amount of suffering and would ideally be avoided. For you, it’s a fucking religion. I don’t eat it because I think it’s “delicious”; I eat it because it’s a food that’s sometimes accessible. I eat it for the same reason I eat rice or pasta. I honestly don’t think it’s any more delicious than properly prepared vegetables, legumes, mushrooms or fruits. It’s not a “guilty pleasure” for me because I don’t find it any more pleasurable than eating non-meat foods. So quit projecting your insecurities onto me. Don’t forget that you initially made a comment to me; I never cared to contact you. I just made some comments expressing my opinion. I didn’t ask you to respond or demand that you agree with me.

          • Surfeit

            OMG meat is so delicious. If I could, I’d eat nothing but. Bacon steak sausage burgers…

          • Surfeit

            FUCK THE MUSHROOMS!

          • Surfeit

            You’re preaching.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            Is there any feasible way in which I could express my anti-killing stance without it being considered preaching? Or am I just guilty of thought crime?

          • Surfeit

            Winding you up mate. I don’t even know what you’re talking about.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            *wags finger*

          • wnsk

            Even if Matt was preaching, he wasn’t preaching specifically at you. Or do you take issue with preachers/preaching in general?

            It’s a free internet, man. Just saying. :]

          • don mario

            preaching and debating the morals of something are different things.

            by your logic we should question nothing, and just go on as if we are right about everything we do, change nothing and not share our opinions with others.

            and if we think suffering is wrong.. we should enjoy our steak anyway or we are gonna get it smashed over our heads by you!

            you are the one coming off as preachy. preaching ignorance.

          • Mighty曹

            I’ve gone back and read the beginning of the thread and now see that I would’ve been angry too if the comparisons are not on par.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            I do not recall anybody here supporting animal cruelty

            Do you consider inflicting pain to be cruel?

          • don mario

            hostile because it obviously hits a nerve. ignorance is bliss eh

          • don mario

            its not hypocritical because he never told you or others to stop eating meat. fool.

          • don mario

            japan was a totally vegetarian country for a long time. most people would be vegetarian if they had to be.

          • don mario

            so if an animal is killed humanly do you still think it is morally right to force that animals sole purpose in life to be killed and eaten for us?

            even if it didn’t suffer still seems like a pathetic and unfair life. if that happened to my dog i would feel pretty horrible about it. i’m not sure there is any way to morally justify it. why are we more important than other animals, we are the ones destroying the planet.

          • Boris

            We can eat meat and plants. Whichever we choose there is a way we will fuck up people and the planet. Life isn’t fair. We eat other animals. We eat plants. Lions eat Zebras. The lion doesn’t think about the Zebra’s survival, it thinks about its own survival.

            The thing that is against what we see ourselves and (most) other animals is that they don’t eat their own species.

      • Rick in China

        “it seems so unfair that they never hurt anyone and yet by cruel destiny of natural evolution are doomed to a life of one-way slaughter.”

        What about all the trees, plants, flowers? The herbivores are constantly messing up the environment stomping chewing ripping and destroying all of these immobile species, who are left victim to these ruthless herbivores that tramps in and consume.

        • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

          To copy and paste from a comment I just typed to KamikaziPilot:

          I do generally subscribe to the “intelligence argument” that
          qualifies animal pain (which includes human pain) as fundamentally more significant than theorized “plant pain” that involves neither sophisticated brains nor complex nervous systems. If non-human animals didn’t squirm while being killed, I probably would not object to killing them for consumption.

          • Rick in China

            So what you’re saying is, because we don’t perceive them as having what we say is “pain”, who cares, slaughter ‘em all?

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            You’re playing a facetious semantic game just to be argumentative. I’m simply pointing out that all complex animals, and especially within the narrow field of mammals, experience pain of a qualitative similarity. I’m comparing animals with animals and mammals with mammals. You’re facetiously broadening the scope to suggest that any categorization of animals is too narrow to be relevant. Pain is not just some vague, arbitrary human construct

          • Rick in China

            “Pain is not just some vague, arbitrary human construct.” Yes it is.

            Forgetting the pain aspect of what you’re yammering on about – the intelligence argument is much simpler. It is standard science that plants, while not having neural networks, absolutely do have intelligence in the sense that they react, respond, learn, communicate, etc. Your description above is about the ‘level’ of intelligence, and your litmus test for killing & consuming is whether the subject squirms. Do plants squirm? They respond to stimuli and adjust behaviour when cut or poked, while it may be slow going, is that not essentially squirming? Since you don’t *think* they feel pain because they don’t *have brains*, apparently, then it’s OK to kill them. That’s a great argument. I suppose if some alien species hits earth and have some other way to measure intelligence than we do, they may have a similar discussion, and say “Well, humans don’t do X Y Z, therefor, fuck it, dinner time!”

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            If your point is not that we shouldn’t eat plants, then you’re just playing a useless pedantic game of semantics to mock the very mild and reasonable notion of not killing animals. Why are you so offended by the fact that I think killing non-human animals is wrong in a way qualitatively similar to killing humans? You can argue that pain is a vague, arbitrary human construct, but so is the notion of not killing humans. So what you’re saying is, because you don’t perceive non-human animals as being qualitatively the same as humans, who cares, slaughter ‘em all?

      • ElectricTurtle

        That is some of the most twisted nonsense I’ve seen passed for ethical analysis in some time. Don’t worry about getting into a long debate, I don’t spin my wheels for crazy people.

        • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

          Thank you for your consideration. Nonetheless, I unfortunately spent more time clarifying my position in a comment to KamikaziPilot, which you can read if you’re so inclined.

      • don mario

        some good points there but a few things.. killing carnivores might be fair game.. if the person needs to kill it to survive, has the instinct too. and its a fair fight, maybe he is only packing a kniife and not a gun.

        agree with most of it though. seems like it would be impossible to change the majority of peoples views on eating meat..

    • don mario

      i thought that was the most ridiculous comment out of the lot of them.

      she said they are her friends… so why can she not eat them? a logic of eating your friends makes sense to you does it?

      • KamikaziPilot

        I don’t think you understood her comment. It seems she was being sarcastic, at least that’s what I took it to be. She was saying that if she were to consider chicken, ducks, fish etc. to be her friends and proceeds to tell others to stop eating all of them, how would other people (ex. most people in China who do eat these animals) feel about her telling them what they can and cannot eat based purely on her own sense of what animals are her friends.

        • don mario

          well its up for debate. i’ve never seen chinese use sarcasm before for one thing… and another thing, chinese feel entitled to eat every other creature on the earth so in my opinion it fits.

  • IsurvivedChina

    I guess from the rational of some of the comments above one could assume that eating Panda is ok.

    • KamikaziPilot

      I’d think that too. However, I also think endangered animals should be spared until they are brought up to “healthy” numbers, whatever that may be.

      • Don’t Believe the Hype

        大熊猫肉丝 !! I can’t wait!

  • Michael Timothy

    Go Yulin girls!

  • Claude

    It’s that time of the year. Here’s the very good PBS documentary Dogs Decoded – again!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN96Gid6Kjo

  • Pako-chan

    “turn a blind eye” is not how the world should work.

    • mr.wiener

      Knowing when to turn a blind eye is one of the best skills you can learn.

      • Pako-chan

        that’s possibly true. some may say lying is a better skill to have than avoiding.

  • Pako-chan

    How the Dog Got It’s Name

    When God had made the earth and sky, the flowers and the trees.

    He then made all the animals and all the birds and bees.

    And then His work was finished, and not one was quite the same

    He said I’ll walk this earth of mine and give each one a name.

    And so he traveled land and sea, and everywhere He went

    a little creature following him, until its strength was spent.

    When all were named upon the Earth, and in the sky and sea,

    A little creature said, Dear Lord, there’s not one left for me.

    The Father smiled and softly said, I’ve left you to the end,

    I’ve turned my own name back to front

    and called you “Dog” my friend.

    • mr.wiener

      So God spelled backwards is dog….
      I thought that was how Satanism worked.

      • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

        No Satanism is to be a selfish prick and love it.

        • mr.wiener

          Actually I’ve known some very nice satanists, they were all just ex-catholic.

          • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

            Exactly. No sacrifices or putting holy things upside down. Satanism is basically raising a middle finger to the scripture that humanity is inherently sinful and flawed and saying “We’re awesome and screw any god that says we aren’t.”

          • fabulous

            And Scientology is basically raising a middle finger to the man, and living cool and free, and saying that “We’re awesome and screw any religion that says we aren’t.”

          • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

            Nah, Scientology is “We’re your best friend until you run out of money. Then we’ll bury your ass somewhere no one will ever find you…HAVE FUN!”

          • fabulous

            And Kabbalah is basically raising a middle finger to your boss, and being really confident, confident enough to ask out your hot co-worker, and saying that “We’re awesome and screw any old white man who says that we aren’t.”

          • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

            Never heard of that so I’ll go with what you said.

          • Dr Sun

            spoken like a true mongolian barbarian . Lol

      • Pako-chan

        that’s if you believe everything you read in a book (or the net).

      • Blue

        No, satanism only works on vinyl.

  • Germandude

    Pretty much nailed it @UserID01:disqus

  • Don’t Believe the Hype

    agreed, mostly

  • Don’t Believe the Hype

    the only reason you don’t like this point of view is because you don’t agree with it. If something like that bothers you so much, it is probably because you feel guilty / uncomfortable. That is not other peoples problem, only your own.

  • FYIADragoon

    Well I know I’d certainly be willing to forgo eating a dog if it gave me a night with Yang Mi.

  • mr.wiener

    If plants don’t like you they just leaf.

  • mr.wiener

    “God” in Chinese is “Jew” isn’t it [sorry Wade-Giles, my pinyin is crap]…Change the tone and you have “pig”…hmmm,

    • Guest

      no no jew is how you say pig….

  • Jahar

    He’s not labeling “only Chinese” as people who disrespect animals. The topic is a dog meat festival in China. If the topic was killing bulls in Spain, I’m guessing he would be talking about how Spanish people are disrespecting animals.

    And the “well ___ people do it too!” is a pretty shitty argument, or defense, or whatever. 2 wrongs don’t make a right.

    • wnsk

      Then he should have said, “When PEOPLE learn to respect animals…” He’s specifically naming Chinese–which is fine by me insofar as people admitting they’re prejudiced is fine; just don’t try to defend it.

      • Jahar

        he wasn’t talking about people. people aren’t the subject. people in china are the subject.

  • KamikaziPilot

    Agree with your post except the part about eating dog being disgusting. To me eating dog is no different than eating cows or pigs or sheep. It’s the inhumane treatment that is really disgusting. You’re username sounds like someone who used to post on this board in the past.

    • Dr Sun

      Apparently god put animals on the Earth for us to eat, well thats what they told me at Sunday school and I believe its written in the bible as such. So whats the big deal, if its got four legs its fit for hotpot.
      Ps- not the table or chairs, at that I draw the line.

  • Pako-chan

    i believe this poetry was originally written in english… so yeah.

  • North-eastern

    Different opinions are based on different things such as, religion, culture, living habits, past experiences etc., The only thing I believe in is that, I don’t eat dog meat for my own reasons but that doesn’t mean I should start bashing on people who do. Whatever floats your boat.

  • wnsk

    Maybe if chickens had teeth and were a little bigger, they would. Come to think of it, aren’t chickens descended from dinosaurs? They totally would have munched on babies.

    But let’s look at it from another angle: chicken are tastier than dogs (I assume), breed/grow faster, cost less to maintain.

  • wnsk

    So, what? This isn’t a reply to anything I’ve said. I didn’t say we shouldn’t eat dogs because they have feelings.

    I don’t really object to eating animals (because even if we didn’t eat them, some other animal probably would.) But the (inhumane) manner with which some animals are raised and slaughtered is something I find objectionable. Foie gras, for example. I don’t object to eating goose, but I object to excessive suffering the goose is made to go through.

  • Rick in China

    “and we are not resorting to cannibalism”

    Why not?

    • diverdude7

      I am a Founding Member of:

      PAPEP

      People Against People Eating People

      *pronounced ‘poppy’
      if u care and wanna save those sweet, nice, kind, innocent, lovely, nice-breath, darling little peoples from a most inhumane and worrisome ending as an entree’, please send financial support (USD preferred) to PAPEP c/o Me. :-)

    • Dr Sun

      because most of the world still does not/ is not eating food made by Tyson, JBS, Smithfields,Cargill.

    • fabulous

      Is it that only scoundrels eat guys from their own group?
      Just a quick scan of my memory produces no recollection of any animal that eats its own peeps without his friends calling him a wanker. It’s usually; lion wants to mate – chomp her kids, fish run out of food – eat each other, stuck on a mountain – “Should we just walk west?” – “Hold on! I’ve always wanted to eat Gary’s arse?”.

      • don mario

        lol. maybe its chinese logic. they see everything as food so they eye up their mates not with lust, but hunger in their eyes… possibly. whatever the case she made a stupid point.

        • fabulous

          Twas actually rugby player logic, I believe.

  • diverdude7

    my sis and I attended a bullfight one time somewhere near Madrid. we got up and walked out after the first ‘performance’. damn, that is some sadistic shit!
    btw: I am an outdoorsman, omnivore, and hunter. hmmmmm… seems to me most outdoorsmen/women I have ever met have a pretty high regard for the natural world.

  • Mighty曹

    My understanding is that when an animal is ‘stressed’ it releases adrenaline which makes the meat ‘tender and tastier’. Some slaughterhouse hang pigs and cows before butchering. Consumption or not, cruelty to animals is wrong,

  • Mighty曹

    A true ‘catlover’.

  • YourSupremeCommander

    The real question is, WTF is Yang Mi?

  • whuddyasack

    Sounds good. I’d like a toe or ear.

  • wrle

    Don’t divert the attention on to koreans .and most Koreans don’t even eat dogs.

  • Le chat

    Maybe it’s only fair to evolution if human beings only eat animals we can kill ourselves instead of any type of animal meat that can be exchanged with money. Fancy dog meat? Go kill one yourself. Then we’ll see what’s what. Haven’t tried dog meat, but my personal experience with killing a fish taught me that if you take care of the killing and cleaning yourself, you won’t fancy the dish so much.

    • Boris

      I’ve had the opposite effect. I am generally a vegetarian as I don’t know where the meat came from around here or how it was killed and cleaned. So when I do it myself, I can eat it and enjoy the meat (not the killing, a little too messy and I don’t like messy things really).

  • moldavidian

    Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet. -Albert Einstein

    I have no doubt that it is a part of the destiny of the human race, in its gradual improvement, to leave off eating animals. -Henry David Thoreau

    • noodles76

      So….you have nothing to say? You just want to quote others? Cool.
      Pull out a dictionary and look up the meaning of omnivore. Then understand that true vegetarians (vegans) need vitamin supplements and amino acid supplements to survive. Humans are not meant to only survive on plant matter. Perhaps in thousands of years our bodies may evolve differently but for now…..we must eat meat to survive and live healthy, natural lives.

      While I may agree with the quotes you posted I disagree with what it implies by itself….without any qualifiers. It’s impossible to guess at what you want to say when you say…nothing. I can only point you to the fact that your first quote mentioned evolution and your second said gradual.

      Long story short, if you have something to say, say it. Quoting others is just poor form unless followed up with an actual thought or idea.

      • Mighty曹

        C’mon, Noodles, easy on her. She’s simply ‘driving’ the fact that two of humanity’s greatest minds suggest a change in our diet in the most simplest form. But I do agree that one should always add his/her input to agree, disagree, support, or oppose.

        • noodles76

          So…you agree with me….you just said it nicer?

          • Mighty曹

            I agree nicely. :D

      • moldavidian

        I’ve been a vegetarian for 42 years. I’m fine and countless animals were not eaten by me. Why you so critical, bitch?

        • edwardbstarling

          more bloody meat for me to devour.

          • Mighty曹

            Hahahahah bitch!

          • edwardbstarling

            lol

  • Surfeit

    Did somebody say ‘bacon hamburger’??!!!!!

    • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

      Bacon guacamole hamburger. Was pretty good but way too big for a human mouth. Tried squishing it vertically and guacamole just burst through the middle of the bottom bun like an upside-down volcano. Spoons were used, unfortunately.

  • diverdude7

    oooops… I meant ‘puppy’ :-p

  • Surfeit

  • don mario

    “I think chickens, ducks, fish, pigs, cows, geese, sheep are all my friends, so can you not eat them? ”

    im taking note not to befriend this girl…

  • Boris

    I don’t eat dog. I don’t care if you do eat dog. But if you have to kill an animal to eat it, do it as ‘humanely’ as possible.

  • Iamyou

    I don’t think any animal should be eaten. You people live in the dark ages. Your revolution ruined your culture, you used to have such a grand culture the Chinese, sophisticsted. Now you all do what your told. No consciousness about other beings suffering. Why would you? Look at the way your people are treated in and you do nothing about it. Why would you care about a dog. What sickens me the most is that the last one justifies it because it was “raised for its meat”, what a nightmare of a life these poor animals must have. I hope you can feel all the snffering they went through when you eat them. You are what you eat.
    God have mercy on you empty souls. You have no compassion.

  • dennis richards

    As a vegan I say only hypocrites complain about eating one sort of meat but accepting eating other sorts. If you are evil enough to take death into your body and eat the flesh of another living feeling creature then at least have the courtesy NOT to criticize those who do the same.

    • mr.wiener

      I’m a sausage maker. I’m going to vegan hell.

  • commander

    The actress appears to distinguish dog meat for eating and dogs as a pet animal.

    If dog meat is prohibited on the ground that pet dogs have been staunch friends to humans, slaughtering many other kinds of domesti ated animals for eat should be banned.

    Take cattle for example . Cattle has been vital instruments for agriculture for countless time and life companions for farmers.

    Few farmers are not saddened to send bulls or cows to slaughterhouses.

    Blanket ban is not a solution for what has been a long-running practice.

    Even if the ban is imposed on eating dog meat, a black market is sure to emerge to satisfy the demand from acquired tastes for dog meats.

    The best resolution is to set out regulations to prevent unnecessary pain in slaughtering dogs, distinguish pet dogs and edible dogs and secure sanitary processing of dogs.

    I have never eaten dog meat and surely will not do.

    But given that human is brutal and fearful in a sense, laying down rules on dog meat is the best way to protect pet dogs from barbaric human hands and mouths.

  • moop

    while i’m personally opposed to the eating of dogs, the dog in the picture of this article is crying blood and therefore should clearly be put down

  • Tina

    They are all sick
    Twisted persons and should be shot themselves same on them

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