Dog Peddlers Abuse Dogs to Get Higher Price from Dog Lovers

A dog lover is holding a dog in her arms.

An animal protection [group] leader holding a small dog with tears in her eyes.

From QQ:

Dog Peddlers in Guangxi Yulin Abuse Dogs to Force Dog Lovers to Buy Them at High Prices

Legal Evening News/The Mirror report (reporters Zou Yan, Liu Chang) — At about 11 o’clock in the morning [June 20], at the grand marketplace in Yulin, a dog peddler was haggling with dog lovers over the price of a dog, and because they couldn’t agree on a price, the dog peddler lifted the dog high into the air three times with metal prongs, doing so to force the dog lovers to buy the dog at a high price. In the end, a woman paid 350 yuan to buy the dog. At the scene, quite a few dog peddlers used mistreatment of the dogs to force dog lovers to buy the dogs.

A dog peddler being paid after selling a cage of dogs.

A dog peddler being paid after selling a cage of dogs.

Also, according to the official Weibo account of Chengdu Commercial Daily, on the eve of the “Dog Meat Festival”, a large number of dog lovers gathered in Yulin. On the morning of [June] 20, at 9 o’clock, at the Yulin dog meat market, upon seeing that there were dog lovers present, some dog peddlers began abusing their dogs at the scene, yelling: ”Will you people buy it or not? If not, I’ll strangle it to death [with the prongs]!” Dog lovers bought the dogs with tears in their eyes, and the dog peddlers waved the cash they got before the surrounding onlookers. The onlookers cheered, and some even gave them the thumbs-up.

A dog headed to dinner table saved after some haggling.

A dog headed to dinner table saved after some haggling.

Dog peddlers put multiple adult dogs inside one cage to sell.

Dog peddlers put multiple adult dogs inside one cage to sell.

In order to get a higher price, a dog peddler kicks a dog with his foot to get animal protection group members to pay money to buy it.

In order to get a higher price, a dog peddler kicks a dog with his foot to get animal protection group members to pay money to buy it.

Dogs in a cage.

Bewildered eyes, waiting to live or die.

A dog peddler is lifting up a dog with a fork.

A dog peddler is lifting up a dog with a fork.

A dog peddler is lifting up a dog with a fork.

Comments from QQ:

Qian行:

The dog peddlers’ behavior is indeed immoral, but maybe the root of this is the inappropriate behavior of those people seeking to protect the dogs [inspiring] the dog peddlers’. After all, without buying and selling, there wouldn’t be any dog-clamping [with prongs]. When you touch upon the bottom line of a profession/business, problems of humanity are exposed. After all, loving dogs is a hobby of yours, while they rely on this to make a living.

戈子:

Yulin welcomes you! What you see is not necessarily the truth, to say nothing of some photos taken by so-called reporters! Everybody has the right to choose whether to eat [dog meat] or not, and as long as laws aren’t being broken, don’t let our countrymen curse each other online because of dogs, [because] there are still many things that need our attention, [so] stop using foreigners this or that to make comparisons! I am from Yulin, and I speak for myself!

SS-流星雨:

The person who clamped the dog is despicable, and the people who looked on and applauded are even worse!

Big Brother:

Eating dog meat is okay, but the precondition is that pain and suffering be minimized when the little dog is killed. This abusing of the dogs thoroughly departs from this precondition. I endorse culture/tradition of eating dog meat, but I am against the mistreatment/abuse of dogs.

莪dē佪憶ァ:

Fuck, if some people don’t have the heart to eat doggies because they are cute, it’s understandable, but you can’t curse people who eat dogs beasts. What right do you have to curse people [as such]? You guys don’t eat meat? If we say eating dog meat is very cruel and harming life, and say people who eat dogs are beasts, do you dare stop eating pigs, cows, and lamb? You best stop eating vegetables too, [because] crops are plants, and plants also have life. You can forget about drinking water as well, because there are fucking microorganisms in the water.

与生俱来的倔强ヾ:

Here in Yanbian, there has been a habit of eating dog meat ever since ancient times. Although I also like dogs a lot, we should be a little rational. As long as there are farms, there will be slaughterhouses. If dog lovers could really save all the dogs from all the dog farmers in the world, I would rather not eat dog meat.

淡忘:

“Dog lovers bought the dogs with tears in their eyes, and the dog peddlers waved the cash they got before the surrounding onlookers. The onlookers cheered, and some even gave them the thumbs-up.”

秋雨:

Where do all these dog lovers come from?

小淡妆:

Tomorrow [June 21] is the Summer Solstice Dog Meat Festival, and I’m going to buy dog meat to eat.

葱头:

I’m going to kill three dogs to treat my friends today. The price for each dog is 100,000 RMB [for those who want to save them]. I don’t have to kill the dogs, and can eat only chicken and duck instead. However, aren’t dog lovers all rich? Let’s see just how far your compassion goes.

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  • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

    I think my faith in humanity took a downturn.

    • lonetrey / Dan

      Don’t lose faith, i can’t stand losing any ground to these fucking assholes on the global stage for human decency.

    • Dr Sun

      you seem very fragile lately, what’s up ?

  • ex-expat

    Say whatever you want, but I have never seen a society with more widespread cruelty to animals than I have on the mainland.

    • Jahar

      Well with the respect many people here have for human life, how can you expect more for an animal?

    • yantao

      Savages, just simple savages.

    • Confucius

      Really? How about force fattening ducks to eat their liver, taunting bulls and toying with them for entertainment, torturing and killing cats in suburban rubbish bins, beating sheep and cattle to death, or caging hens for their eggs, force-feeding pigs and cattle with their own kind’s carcasses, killing foxes for their pelts, eating guinea pigs in all sort of preparations, clubbing seals for fun (and hunting), in fact hunting for fun, breeding mice and rats to experiment and kill them in different ways (but better than using humans for that as some other societies have the enviable history of) … and the list goes on. But hey, no one is mistaking you for something other than what you make yourself out to be, and you obviously speak for at least 16 members of this forum. Or hate nest? Now now, mods, don’t censor me for stating the obvious. Oh yeah, forgot the whales.

      • Don’t Believe the Hype

        Yes you are right, I was just walking down the street yesterday in the west and happened to see animals being tortured and people staring and laughing. Yeah that happens all the time.

        • Confucius

          I’m guessing sarcasm isn’t your best trait. No worries, I’ll take you up on this. So, I was just walking down the street today in China and didn’t see animals bing tortured and people are staring and laughing at the stupid bigot making a clown of himself. Now, see how that makes you feel better?

      • ex-expat

        Or watching tigers kill each other for fun, or….? Seriously? Did I say things didn’t happen anywhere else, and is the above article the only example of Chinese cruelty to animals? Idiotic response…

      • narsfweasels

        Confucius Boss He Say:

        “To the extent possible, make criticism about America.”

        Confucius, He Say:

        “Okay boss, just get your balls out of my mouth for long enough so I can type an anti-West response. Pop them back in when I’ve hit ‘send'”.

    • Dr Sun

      Then for christs sake never go to Africa, the middle East or any council estate/ project in the UK or USA.

      • ex-expat

        Been there, done that, and….no.

    • Irvin

      I see you haven’t been around much.

      • ex-expat

        Nice try, but most likely I am far more well-travelled than you. Though I doubt that is saying much…

        • Irvin

          I’m guessing you’re gonna tell me your dick is longer next?

          • ex-expat

            Impressive response…congratulations.

  • xiaode

    words are failing me… there is only anger and hate if I look at these pictures and these people…
    … I don´t care why they do this.. if they really need the money for living… sending their children to school… whatever… I don´t care if they loose their home or starve to death if they would be stopped doing this nasty business! And I wouldn´t pay a fucking cent if someone tells me that he is going to torture these people to death if I wouldn´t buy them free…

    (I don´t care people eating dogs, if they do so, ok, fine for me… but torturing these animals (to death) just to cheat and extort more money from warm hearted people is that much below any acceptable level… that´s just… these are no human beings!)

    • Irvin

      These are human beings, you think only good warm hearted people are humans? We are only as civilized as the society allowed us to be, you think they’ll be torturing dogs if they can get a good job?

      • Rick in China

        I agree with xiaode and don’t give a shit if they can’t get good jobs, so torture dogs. They torture dogs. Your reasoning is as logical as “I only assassinate people for money because I couldn’t get hired at mcdonalds”.

        • Irvin

          Your rational is: “if I don’t agree with what they did then they are not human”. Well done, you’re a genius.

          • xiaode

            There is nothing to agree on! They are torturing living beanings to extort more money (because selling the dog alone at the market price or reasonable price is not enough for these fuckers!) from goodhearted people… that´s their fucking business model!
            Sorry, but for me these are no humans… and compared to the poor dogs I would not be sad at all if some “force majeure” would do the same thing with them like they did with these animals!

          • Irvin

            These are no humans LIKE YOU, maybe, but human never the less.

            With a differently upbringing and crueler teaching when you were young, perhaps maybe even you have the potential to be just like they are.

          • xiaode

            … that´s exactly the reason why I don´t want my children to grow up in China… I never want them to have this / see this “cruelty” day in day out….

          • Dr Sun

            Of course you do realise people, yes humans, all over the world are not just torturing and selling animals, but other human beings.And It is not a solely Chinese phenomenon.

          • xiaode

            I never said this has sth. to do with China or Chinese people… did I?
            But – at least in Europe or my country (Germany) – we have many laws protecting animals…. noone would dare to torture an animal in public… the police would just come and lock them away…
            … in China… :-(

          • Confucius

            Great argument for fascism and a nanny state. So, China needs a stronger government and law enforcement? Or is it just because you think you’re superior so you must be right? Unfortunately the Americans disagree with you there and so far they are still the top dogs and you’re the losers. So get with the programme – laws bad, freedom good. Big government bad, personal choice good. Germany bad, America good.

            C’mon mods, let this one through, will’ya? You’re like the Great KMT Propaganda Machine of Taiwan.

          • xiaode

            China and it´s gov. want´s to control the live of their people in any aspect… but still lacks to provide the most basic standards! (not saying there is only sunshine in other countries but lot´s of real shit you can see here every day just doesn´t exist – at least not in this extent / extreme form in western countries.) If you can´t see this, I feel really sad for you…

          • Dr Sun

            thats why badger baiting, dog fights, and human slavery in Europe tends to go on now at night or behind closed doors.
            But wait what about Fox hunting or hare coursing, there done in public in broad daylight ?

          • xiaode

            I agree, that this shit is still going on is nothing we can be proud of! But it´s still on a far different level then what we find in the story above!

          • Dr Sun

            I agree, fox hunting alone far exceeds what is happening in the above story.
            Hundreds of hunts out every weekend with thousands of eager participants determined to inflict the most horrible death on as many foxes as they can.
            And the worse part is that don’t even eat the foxes as they have been torn apart by the dogs, they just smear its blood on each others faces.

          • Mateusz82

            They are definitely humans, and prove just how greedy, callous, and cruel humans can be.

            Also, they are total shitbags, and it is offensive that they are taking up space on this planet and wasting oxygen.

            If we were to put aside any bias brought on by them being the same species, and judge them fairly, the dogs (who are intelligent, and bring warmth and companionship) are far more worthy than these abusers who just bring cruelty and self-interest. Simple solution would be to feed them to the starved dogs, so at least they can be of some use to the world.

          • lasolitaria

            I suppose you support the death of cattle and poultry peddlers, don’t you?

          • Don’t Believe the Hype

            have you seen trained cattle or poultry ? stop making false comparisons

          • ElectricTurtle

            Yes, yes I have. A lot of birds and mammals can be taught tricks. Shit, birds can be taught to mimic speech and horses can do math. So what? Tasty is tasty. No other carnivorous or omnivorous animals are equivocating and losing sleep. When they have to eat, they eat, and let me tell you, they don’t give one single fuck how much pain they cause their prey. The simply start eating, and if the other animal happens to be still alive through half of it, tough shit for them.

          • xiaode

            that´s why they are called “animals” and you want to be called a “human”….

          • ElectricTurtle

            Actually I said “No *other* carnivorous or omnivorous animals” as in humans are animals. Get over it. And we, like other animals, have been eating animals since forever. And they’re tasty. So continue getting over it.

          • Teacher in China

            Yes, and those are animals, who have no choice but to act by instinct and don’t have a developed sense of right or wrong or empathy. We are better than animals in that regard and should try to act that way.

          • lasolitaria

            Yes, I have seen plenty.

            But how is training any relevant to this issue at hand? Is an animal’s life more valuable because it can be trained? That makes absolutely no sense.

          • xiaode

            Cattle and poultry will not be tortured to death on a market that the peddlers can get a higher price… and in civilized countries they will be killed in a way which do not creates unnecessary pain for them! That´s the difference!

          • vincent_t

            Hell yeah, how convenient of you to say that in civilized countries they will be killed without unnecessary pain. Have you ever even been to any animal farm?


            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8_E_9wN_Pg

            Next time before you say something like you know it all, go google, it helps to hide your stupidity

          • lasolitaria

            That’s it? Meh.

          • xiaode

            Sorry, but if you really can´t see the difference between how and why (way and motive!) these dogs (see article) are tortured to death and a regular slaughtering then I really can´t and don´t want to help you….

          • Mateusz82

            Well, I don’t want to advocate for their murders, per se… but if humans who torture and mutilate any species out of greed and cruelty were to not be living… I wouldn’t have a problem with it.

          • Rick in China

            Yep, you got me – damn, you’re too good. What can one do.

            human=inhumane. everything=literal. rational=rationale=rationality. you=genius.

      • Edward Kay

        Extorting has nothing to do with getting a better job. Cruelty is measured by the way these animals are killed. Educated or not, the basic principles are not enjoy on another’s suffering. Religion hasn’t taught them anything either. I’m an atheist, so I suppose its okay to wish for an arsonist to engulf the entire market.

      • Don’t Believe the Hype

        humans are only as good as the way they treat the weakest and stupidist amongst themselves. These people who torture living conscious beings are proving only that they have none of the qualities that makes one human- compassion, empathy, the ability to sacrifice greed to prevent pain of others.

        And you are defending these people, why?

        • Kai

          He’s not defending these people. Re-read his comment.

          • Don’t Believe the Hype

            “We are only as civilized as the society allowed us to be, you think they’ll be torturing dogs if they can get a good job?”

            Defending/ making excuses for, same thing. I don’t buy the whole blame society, blame people who will pay me more money, blame the job market spin. Its just a way to distract from real actions.

          • Kai

            @disqus_WPlSmnsbvw:disqus is making a point that there are negative aspects of “humanity” as well, that “humans” are also capable of terrible things. He’s making a point that there are indeed sociological and environmental factors in why people behave the way they do. Both of these points are true and important to understand if you hope to change people’s behavior.

            If you don’t want someone to be ghetto, it often helps to take them out of the ghetto.

            You’re straw-manning him into an indefensible extremist position of believing there is no personal accountability. I doubt he means that.

          • Don’t Believe the Hype

            OK humans are always capable of terrible things and maybe i am straw man’ing him a bit. But (and this is the last thing i will say as i’m sure you are tired of hearing from me) regardless of his initial meaning (broad generalization of human behavior) I dont think the conditions of this situation are so bad (society, economy, etc) that he was forced into this kind of behavior. We aren’t talking about Somalia, he isn’t in a life or death situation, not starving (he can eat his dogs). He could buy a car and be a taxi driver or a chef at a shitty restaurant but rather he chooses this profession. I’m sure he knew that torturing animals was wrong (at least in a general sense) but because he thought it was funny or stupid or profitable he did it anyway. And based on many of the comments, his actions were generally accepted.
            I guess the problem I’m having is that by justifying the action by saying “humans are capable of terrible things” (in whatever context or country), you become less likely to see it as wrong and it just becomes easier to deflect criticism and a reasoned discussion. If, however, humans are capable of terrible things because there is a reason (starvation, war, etc) than i would be more inclined to believe the easy answer: humans are capable of terrible things and let it go at that.

          • Kai

            I personally don’t think he was “forced” into this kind of behavior either. I also upvoted the comment by xiaode that he was responding to. I understood xiaode’s point as much as I understood Irvin’s (which he elaborated on in another comment).

            I frankly think these exploitive dog peddlers in the photos don’t quite see dogs as anything more than something they as humans have some natural right to exploit as they please. They probably thinks these dog-lovers are chumps, fools for them to part easy money from. It’s unlikely they don’t understand sympathy or compassion, they just probably don’t share it for dogs and find it misplaced in these dog lovers. They’ve certainly rationalized their behavior. They can’t escape criticisms of cruelty and exploitation.

            I don’t think their actions of abusing the dogs in front of the dog lovers to exploit the latters’ sympathies in order to fleece them of more money is “generally accepted”. I don’t think the comments translated above reflect this either.

            What we see more are comments where people are arguing over the broader issue of whether or not eating dog meat should be accepted or protested against. Some of these people are not acknowledging how fucked up these dog peddlers are, and instead go on the attack about dog lovers this or dog lovers that. They may have valid criticisms about some dog lovers and they may have valid points about the issue of eating dog meat itself, but some of them aren’t fairly recognizing the validity of certain criticisms aimed at the dog meat industry there either.

            And then there are some people who are just stupid, making comments that are fundamentally similar to this. They are so against some straw-man idea they have of their critics or opposition and feel so victimized themselves that they think victimizing the “other side” is simply fair play.

            I don’t think Irvin is trying to justify anything and that is where you are straw-manning him. Again, see his own comment.

            saying another person, however [condemnable] their action may be, [is] “not human”, is only covering one’s eyes to the problems.

            Irvin is arguing that disassociation allows people to judge others without actually thinking about what shapes other people’s behavior. Disassociation allows people to feel better about themselves without actually helping the situation. I think this point was a contribution to “reasoned discussion” as opposed to “deflecting criticism”.

            Humans are capable of and do terrible things every day without starvation, war, etc. We should never let terrible things go. We should always be thinking about how we can discourage certain behaviors while encouraging others, and that requires really thinking about what feeds into people’s behaviors as opposed to simply judging them, dusting off our hands, and calling it a day.

            Don’t get me wrong, people who do terrible things deserve censure and negative feedback, because shame does work. But Irvin’s point is relevant as well.

          • Irvin

            Yeah, I’m not defending these people. But what I hate more than animal cruelty is people trying to disassociate other humans from their own specie due to things they do isn’t agreeable.

            Yes, I took the word “human” literally because I hate when the term is used metaphorically and in the context of the poser.

            By saying that another person, however condemning their action may be, as “not human”, is only covering one’s eyes to the problems.

            We all have the potential to be what they are, and we all have the potential to do good. Both the people that do good and the people that do bad is part of the equation of “human”.

          • Dr Sun

            I don’t think any one could condone the behaviour of these peddlers in this. But you are correct any humans behaviour can be good, can be bad and can be ugly, all in the same day.

          • Don’t Believe the Hype

            Perhaps, but in this context this “human” had the potential to do good and chose not to. Xiaode is expressing her anger that by saying that THIS human in THIS situation is acting as if he is NOT human, that is all.

            Of course we can all do bad things in bad circumstances, but the question is would you in the same situation do the same thing? Probably not, because you have the qualities of a typical human.

          • Dr Sun

            What is a typical Human ?

          • Don’t Believe the Hype

            the definition of a typical human is one that is not moron, eats and sleeps without murdering or being murdered on a daily basis and has evolved into a two legged, upright human being. That is pretty much it.

          • lasolitaria

            That’s a very faulty definition. And you expect us all to go by that? The arrogance…

          • Don’t Believe the Hype

            well the being intelligent part might have been a stretch

          • lasolitaria

            Speak for yourself.

          • Dr Sun

            so by that definition you are excluding all those that watch CNN or Fox news, the CIA, NSA, FBI, the US special forces,Marines, Army Air Force, Navy, police the members of the NRA, the gangbangers and gangsters and corporate bosses, bankers, financiers on wall street and the entire us congress from being typical then ?

            Thats a awful lot of untypical humans, maybe large part of the US population

          • Don’t Believe the Hype

            Hahaha wow what a perfect example of a sore debater. Did u take ur meds today?

          • Dr Sun

            yes,take my baby aspirin every day did you take yours, or are you still going with the tin foil on your head?

          • xiaode

            I am male dude…

            As I said.. I don´t consider them to be humans (and I basically don´t care if someone share this opinion or not…)
            As I also said… I wouldn´t give a fuck if someone would torture these guys to death… the moment this scum started to torture another living being just out of greed… they lost their right to be treated as humans in my eyes!

            I am not so blind… I know that humans can do cruel things… I can understand that with enough brainwashing and anger in ones heart… maybe in war… people can do very cruel things to others! But not like this… not for maybe 200RMB more in ones pocket…

          • Irvin

            My point is: we can only speculate and will never know. But apathy, even to people and things we disagree with, is part of the problem and not the solution.

        • Confucius

          Right …. Your compassion, empathy and the bility to sacrifice your personal pride is a shining beacon for all of us. All hail Don’t Believe the Hype!

  • bang2tang

    he gets more money by exploiting sympathy of dog lover…

  • Boris

    The only way the people of Yulin and China will face up to these sort of things is if they are shamed or made to lose face over these. That is the only thing they care about.

    I don’t even like dogs and seeing this pissed me off.

    • Kai

      I just finished reviewing another post by Peter also about the Yulin dog meat festival. We’ll probably publish it later tonight. There are really shrill voices from the extremes of both camps, and I think the pro-dog-meat/anti-bleeding-heart-dog-lovers camp is really out in force in the translated comments of these posts.

      The shameless exploitation of the peddlers in the above story simply boggles my mind. I think a lot of Yulin people are so annoyed by the people campaigning against them that they’ve gotten to a point where they’ll cheer on anything seen as an “up yours”.

      • Boris

        Personally, I have nothing against people eating of dogs. The people of Yulin only have to treat the animals well before they are killed for their meat and those ‘dog-lovers’ would lose a lot of support.

        You see animal campaigners ask for better treatment for livestock in other countries. It is because they know they will not stop people eating meat. But they can make people feel bad about eating something that was treated horribly and are made to feel a part of the process.

        All this does is make the people of Yulin savages.

    • 5,000 years of uncivilization

      I hope you’re right. I shame smokers and other trash who litter every day but it doesn’t seem to help much.

      • diverdude7

        might not change things in the short term, but I would maintain that it is a step in the right direction.

        • 5,000 years of uncivilization

          Thanks. I could use all the encouragement i can get when i see what i see every day here in Qingdao. And Qingdao is one of the better Chinese cities. I can’t imagine what it’s like to live in Hebei or some other dump.

  • Boris

    Dog peddlers = CCP
    Dogs = Mainland Chinese
    Onlookers = Rest of the world
    Commetners supporting the Peddlers = Wumao

    • pink panda

      you admit you are animal too unless.

      • Irvin

        “You and me, baby, ain’t nothing but mammals. So let’s do it like they do on the discovery channel”

    • mr.wiener

      You forgot:
      People trying to save the dogs=Other Chinese.

      • Boris

        I’ll be honest with you, I posted that to get a reaction.
        But I agree with your point. The only ones who can save the Chinese people are the Chinese people themselves.

    • Brian227

      Zhuang = ethnic minority.
      PRC = country frequently criticised for suppressing the customs of ethnic minorities.
      Campaigns against dogmeat = social movements launched by Mainland Chinese.
      You = lady’s front bottom.

      • Boris

        So you agree with torturing dogs before killing them in a vry brutal manner then eating them?

        And you agree in mistreating dogs as the pedlers did to get as much money as they can?

        You = worse than shit.

        • Brian227

          Sure. Why not? Beats hanging round on street corners doing nothing.

          You = badly-laundered underpant.

  • Rick in China

    Fuck the pictures, it was on the news last night – that same asshole was shown on video without any shame whatsoever, looking right at the camera yelling “GEI BU GEI QIAN” “MA SHANG GEI 400” etc as he lifted the dog up rope around neck, and slammed it down – right in the woman’s face as she pleaded. The old women who were trying to help these dogs were by no means rich (or hid it extremely well), but couldn’t stand these guys basically terrorizing them by putting on this extremely cruel display right infront of their eyes to extort money from them in order to stop.

    Regardless how you feel about eating dog meat, surely you can see the cruelty in these fucking disgusting sub-humans in this trade. Exploiting other people’s pain while yelling about money until you get paid..what the fuck. I was infuriated. And this commenter should go fuck himself:
    “Yulin welcomes you! What you see is not necessarily the truth” < Bullshit, it was a long segment videotaped on the news. Another disgusting incident is this:

    Several people were holding up little paper signs near government office in Yulin which basically said please stop the cruel treatment of dogs, and these fucking peasanty gangster wannabe thugs kept marching in and grabbing/ripping their signs, or anything they would hold up – the (mostly) women couldn't fight back so eventually were just drawing question marks on paper and holding it up saying "what you want to come take this too you don't even know what it says" and the guys would keep coming back to grab and rip up those question marks on blank paper, just bullies..fuckin wannabe thugs who are defending cruelty to animals, yelling in the camera things like "I DO IT BECAUSE I WANT TO".

    Again, I'm not as much anti-eating of *anything*, what I am against is intentional cruelty to animals and even more-so, utilizing unnecessarily cruelty to extort money from people who can't stand seeing that cruelty unleashed — the kind hearted or sensitive types who have no recourse but to give in and pay whatever ridiculous price you demand to stop being a total utter inhumane piece of shit.

    • 5,000 years of uncivilization

      I truly hope this starts an animal liberation rebellion. I’d love to see a mob of good Chinese beat the piss out of these bastards until they’re paralyzed!

      • Typical Chinese thinking, answer violence with violence

      • Rick in China

        A better resolution would be to make cruelty to animals a crime, and let these people do as they wish with eachother in prison, no? :D

      • Dr Sun

        and that would be better, how ?

        • 5,000 years of uncivilization

          Innocent lives saved. Cruel murderers punished. They can never kill again.

          • Dr Sun

            never realized killing animals constitutes murder, would killing a rabbit crossing the road with your car be vehicular animalcide 15 years hard time ?

          • Humans are animals. Just saying.

          • Dr Sun

            well that puts a end to all the debates and shouting on this site about people pissing and shitting on the streets,antisocial behavior, selfishness, morality. et al, thanks Matt.

            Kia, Weiner, you can hit the off switch, shut the site down and retire happily.

          • It’s been a good run.

          • Dr Sun

            It has :)

          • 5,000 years of uncivilization

            Good question. It depends on witness statements and whether it was intentional or if the said rabbit was at fault. Death for no reason is murder.

    • lasolitaria

      “All the fuss is because dogs are considered cute”

      My job here is done.

      • Rick in China

        That’s not it at all. If it were the case, rabbit heads sold street side would be protested fervently.

        Dogs have been domesticated to be companions of mankind. Many other animals simply have not – whether it’s due to their intelligence, emotional capacity, artificial social constructs with no explanation, or other reasons.. it doesn’t matter – the situation now is that these dogs _are friends_ of man. They defend us, build very strong emotional bonds, and depend on us much as many of us have depended on them throughout our recent human development, not as food, but as our guards, as our friends, and as our symbiotic animal of choice more so than pretty much any other species. When we see dogs starving on the grave or site where their owner has died, waiting for them to return, not understanding the concept of death but not caring about their own instinctual need to eat/drink, and simply wanting their partner to return, we are reminded of this relationship – one that mankind has fostered for so long that it’s disappointing to see people bring up silly arguments like “fuck it, it’s no different than eating a chicken”.

        I sometimes play devil advocate on both sides of the argument as far as _CONSUMPTION_ of animals. I do NOT, however, condone torture – of any animal – especially when it involves extorting compassionate people out of their money because they don’t want to see this kind of inhumane shit going on infront of them to innocent beings. That is what makes this article/news story *over the top* infuriating, it’s not just about ‘eating dogs’, it’s about torturing and extorting, and they are two..different..animals.

        My job here is done.

        • lasolitaria

          But it is. It’s the same as eating a chicken. That’s exactly as people who have been eating dogs for thousands of years, long before the rise of Western culture, long before “Old Yeller” and “Beethoven”, see it. It may be especially repugnant to those in the West who treat dogs not like pets but like family (which, believe it or not, looks ridiculous to many outsiders), but that’s how it is. Your failure to recognize such a fact just goes to show how biased you are.

          As for the torture, who cares. Cows, chicken, dogs, they all end up dead and both the Chinese and you will eat your animals with gusto, so spare me the self-righteous charade.

          And let the downvotes come.

          • Boris

            “As for the torture, who cares. Cows, chicken, dogs, they all end up dead and both the Chinese and you will eat your animals with gusto, so spare me the self-righteous charade.”

            But there are people who DO care. Hence laws coming in to protect the treatment of animals. Laws that are enforced. (Obviously this isn’t the case in China or some other countries around the world)

            Personally, I don’t care what you eat. But there is no need to put the animal through torture. Kill it as quick and with as least pain as possible.

          • lasolitaria

            Huh? “who cares” is a figure of speech.

          • Boris

            Isn’t it suppose to mean that the no one cares or it doesn’t matter when it is used?

        • Confucius

          Who is ‘us’? And ‘we’? Or do you believe that your chosen culture and history is inherently superior to that of the mainland Chinese?

          And mods, stop censoring my comments. You’re as bad as CNN. I get more leeway on weibo than I do n your forum. Shame on you.

          • 5,000 years of uncivilization

            Do you believe mainland Chinese culture and history is inherently superior judging by the rubbish pile it is today? There’s no denying it was much better at one time but thanks to the communists and their “education”, China is going down the toilet. Such a sad waste when all China needs is a better education and some law enforcement backbone.

          • Confucius

            No, I’m simply trying to balance the amount of rubbish in this forum. There’s a lot to be said about the hate on developing countries like China, but having a forum that gives a confirmation bias to biography against the mainland Chinese is like having The Guardian hosting a socialist revolution or Fox News celebrating yet another American victory in the Gulf. The reason why democracy and free speech works is exactly by it doesn’t work well in our sound bite news/Internet world today. You sound reasonable and I apologise if I took you at your alias before. I do hope you will choose something less partisan. Some people use MaoZeDong or GreatFirewall etc, which admittedly still seem like they’re trying to troll, but that’s because they are.

          • Rick in China

            When I say “we” domesticated dogs — bred from wolves — I mean human kind, all over the world.. including Asians, millennia ago.

        • 白色纯棉小裤裤

          They defend us, build very strong emotional bonds, and depend on us much as many of us have depended on them throughout our recent human development, not as food, but as our guards, as our friends, and as our symbiotic animal of choice more so than pretty much any other species.

          That’s what you feel.
          But for the rest of us other than the dog-lovers?
          They bark all the day, chase and bite people, kill kids and infants. The only thing good about dogs is they can be used as service animals, however dogs still do more harm than good to the society. Oh, another thing that’s good about dogs is they are yummy!

          When we see dogs starving on the grave or site where their owner has died, waiting for them to return, not understanding the concept of death but not caring about their own instinctual need to eat/drink, and simply wanting their partner to return

          Abandoned for two weeks, starving dogs eat owner
          http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/07/us-indonesia-dogs-idUSTRE78640W20110907
          Kentucky woman found dead in her shed, partially eaten by dogs
          http://raycomgroup.worldnow.com/story/25804415/kentucky-woman-found-dead-in-her-shed-partially-eaten-by-dogs
          Dogs eat owner’s body after man’s death
          http://www.whas11.com/video/featured-videos/Dogs-eat-owners-body-after-man-dies-79507677.html
          Dogs eat owner’s body: ‘A third of him was gone’
          http://www.thelocal.se/20130705/48892
          79岁老人一生痴迷养狗 死后遗体被11条家狗啃光
          http://bbs.tiexue.net/post2_2887809_1.html

          • Dr Sun

            There is one thing good about dogs, they’re very tasty in a winter hotpot.

          • Rick in China

            Yep – and if you replace “dogs” with “person” you’d find even more stories.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            IDK whether there are more stories of people eating their family members. But I have just shown what you said is bullshit.

            When we see dogs starving on the grave or site where their owner has died, not caring about their own instinctual need to eat/drink, and simply wanting their partner to return

            If you are dead your dogs do care about their instinct to eat, and they are happy to feed on your body.

          • Rick in China

            You, also, have no concept of domestication, and your argument is worthless. In fact it’s not even an argument, it’s just shit dribbling out of your mouth, not really worth further reply. Enjoy your dog lunch.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            So you have nothing intelligent to say other than scolding? That’s really a disappointment, I was expecting a better response from you.

        • Dr Sun
          • Rick in China

            Apparently you don’t understand the word “domestication”, you fucking monkey – troll more.

          • Dr Sun

            Apparently the dog din’t

  • wnsk

    These ladies should pool their money, pay off some thugs to lynch these inhuman scum and free the dogs. Man, if I lived there, I’d participate (in the lynching) for free.

    • Dr Sun

      WOW, now thats a good answer, lynch mobs running around your neighbourhood, killing any one they don’t like. You could wear little white pointy hats and clocks and burn crosses just for fun.

      • wnsk

        WOW, now that’s a good way to twist someone’s words and take it out of the context. You could wear a pointy hat and stand on a chair in the corner of the classroom, just to be EXTRA cute.

    • WARNING. Indians and Chinese ..The two most populated countries in the world like 50% of world population combined are the lowest bottom feeders I have come across in every which way possible. I’m Indian and dealt with Chinese and they are sub human also.

      People from smaller countries like serbia, belgium, Philippines, Thailand, Korea, Japan etc etc are so civilized. If you have lived in China and India and lived in one of smaller countries…you would notice the difference.

      • Alex Dương

        You have some serious self-hatred issues. There are ill-behaved “bottom feeders” everywhere; it shouldn’t be a surprise that with 2+ billion people combined, there are going to be a lot of them.

        People from smaller countries like serbia, belgium, Philippines, Thailand, Korea, Japan etc etc are so civilized. If you have lived in China and India and lived in one of smaller countries…you would notice the difference.

        Having a small population hardly implies that its people are “civilized.” All of those countries have been historically small in population, and all have had checkered pasts. My goodness, are you aware of how brutal the Belgians were in Africa over 100 years ago? They were a small country then, too, but they sure as hell weren’t civilized in Africa.

        If you want to say that’s in the past, then first, you’re admitting that having a small population doesn’t guarantee civilized people. Second, you mentioned Thailand as an example. You’re aware it just had a military coup, right?

        • wnsk

          Aw, what’s the use? If the guy were amenable to reason, he would not have made the statements he did. Let him cling to his precious worldview and find out for himself how “right” he is…all in good time.

    • Confucius

      Wow 21 people up voted someone who advocate mob lynching. Hmm, love the logic there, let’s murder some humans to save dogs. Bright spark you have here, mods, now keep censoring my comments please.

      • Kai
      • wnsk

        The point isn’t about “murdering humans to save dogs”, you idiot. The point is: (1) these ladies shouldn’t have given money to these assholes; and (2) these guys are villains, through and through–not for eating dogs, mind, but for exploiting the compassion of their fellows in this way.

        Yes, I admit I went overboard with the “lynching” comment. It’s an exaggerated remark made in the heat of the moment, but…are you fucking new to the internet or something?

        (Next time, try to muster enough intelligence to read between the fucking lines, okay Sparky?)

  • pink panda

    those dog lovers, they are just butthurt.
    seems they do not need to do anything but go there argue with local people.
    i still wonder how dog meat taste like, also shark fin, bear paw, cobra…
    just curous…

    • mr.wiener

      …long pig?

      • pink panda

        ?what?

        • mr.wiener

          You were talking of your curious for exotic meats.
          “Long pig” is slang for people, as a person on a spit apparently looks like a long pig.

          Why did the cannibal go to the toilet?
          He wanted to dump his girlfriend.

          • Irvin

            Now that’s some obscured knowledge, I never knew person on a spit looks like a long pig.

            I see you’ve been places and seen some real shit mr.wiener lol

  • mr.wiener

    I can see the points that both sides have here… however this shit neads to be reigned in as it is bad for China’s international image.
    If I can put on my mod hat for a minute, most of the posts we have to delete are related to this topic. I trust everyone will keep things civilized and remember that many Chinese are appalled by this as well.

    • ex-expat

      While I am sure it’s true that many Chinese are appalled, the problem is many aren’t.

    • done

      It is bad for China’s international image because China is bad? I do not agree because China’s international image as dog torturing sadistic rise eating automaton opportunists is actually good compared to the real China.

    • done

      Chinas self imposed white knights, governing China’s international image for what…China is shit and it’s image should be shit for the world to see.
      By the way, you’re shit too!

      • mr.wiener

        Why do I get the feeling you’re trying a little too hard to get moderated?
        Golden slumbers kiss thine eyes.

    • Don’t Believe the Hype

      is torturing really a legitimate side here? I can’t for the life of me see a single justification/good side of this kind of behaviour.

      • Kai

        I doubt mr.wiener is saying he sees the points for abusing animals. He’s probably referring to defending the eating of dog meat or maybe criticisms of some of the more extreme animal activists.

  • Paulos

    “The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.”

    I’m not morally opposed to eating dog meat, and I’m usually very optimistic about China, but I found the level of indifference in many of the translated comments to be highly disturbing. Normally I’d just blame it on a few internet tough guys, but in this case it seems to be the general public as well. Anyone know what the majority of people are saying about this? Have there been any polls or surveys?

    • Rick in China

      The whole reason it came about is because there are numbers on both sides. There are crews who go around trying to save the animals, and crews who go around trying to capture and exploit the animals – I was also surprised at the number of translated comments who were like “fuck the dogs, eat ’em all” (basically :P) but I really don’t think, based on anecdotal evidence, it’s the “general public”. Likely a minority vs. a minority, and a big majority who are closer to indifferent or don’t feel super strongly either way, like many topics.

      • Paulos

        Thanks for the insight. I guess I was expecting a bit more outrage. Like you said, it seems like the majority doesn’t feel terribly strongly either way. I would’ve thought most people would be leaning towards to pro-dog camp. I still can’t quite wrap my head around it.

        • Rick in China

          Everyone I showed or talked about this news with expressed a little sadness for the pups. Or just a “what the fuck…” type response, but most people have their own stuff going on and don’t have the time or interest in spending their effort being angry at something they feel they don’t personally have stake in. I think that as China grows in affluence, people will naturally become more caring towards animals – it’s hard to care about animals when you can barely live better than one yourself, etc.. I try to remember that when I see shit like this and feel the fury building up.

          • 5,000 years of uncivilization

            “It’s hard to care about animals when you can barely live better than one yourself”. Well said. If the Chinese government had more dignity, they would at least try to educate these animals if not arrest them.

          • Paulos

            I think that makes a lot of sense to me. Appreciate the response. Like I said to Kai, the political stuff is easy for me to shake off, but this kind of thing really gets under my skin.

        • Kai

          There’s outrage, just on other articles and from other corners of the Chinese internet. See some the links in the article or on such tag archives as:

          http://www.chinasmack.com/tag/animals
          http://www.chinasmack.com/tag/pets

          Yulin is topical and it’s bringing out a lot of people who may not necessarily be for the mistreatment of animals but are getting annoyed with what they see as overbearing sanctimoniousnesss of some animal activists. In general, there’s a lot of unreasonableness and stupidity on both ends, both in argument and action.

          • Paulos

            Yeah, I understand the sentiment, and nobody likes being preached at, but I was expecting mostly this:

            “Eating dog meat is okay, but the precondition is that pain and suffering be minimized when the little dog is killed. This abusing of the dogs thoroughly departs from this precondition. I endorse culture/tradition of eating dog meat, but I am against the mistreatment/abuse of dogs.”

            I guess when people go hive mind about something political it’s a lot easier for me to dismiss than this kind of thing.

          • Kai

            Hah, yeah, unfortunately, rational, reasonable comments are often overshadowed by the more shrill and extreme comments.

        • Brian227

          Seeing as this is a minority culture affair, is it not just possible that the majority of Chinese don’t see it as having any relation to themselves in any way at all? Given how big the North/South cultural divide is, it’s asking a bit much to ask 92% of the population to take responsibility for what an entirely different ethnic group get up to.

          • Paulos

            To clarify, I’m not asking them to take responsibility for anything, I was just surprised at the response.

            As far as Han Chinese not taking an interest in minority affairs, that doesn’t really resonate with me. In my experience minority affairs are usually a hot topic in China.

          • Brian227

            Whether they take an interest or not isn’t the question. I’d assume that you, like me, are on this forum because we take an interest in the doings of Chinese people but neither of us are about to take responsibility for what they do. What they do doesn’t have any relation to us in any way at all.

    • 5,000 years of uncivilization

      Exactly! Trash like those peddlers are only making China look worse. With such a lack of moral standards, how can China ever be great?

    • lasolitaria

      No, it can’t be judged by that. What a meaningless quote.

      • Paulos

        It certainly can. The relationship between animal cruelty and other heinous acts is well established in the academic community:

        http://www.sagepub.com/lippmanstudy/articles/Wright.pdf
        http://www.incasa.org/PDF/2011/animal_human_violence.pdf
        http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22007109
        http://www.hg.org/article.asp?id=8011

        If you still disagree, then please offer your thoughts. How should we judge the greatness and moral compass of a nation?

        • lasolitaria

          Certainly not by the way they treat their animals.

          And just by reading the titles of those articles (don’t believe for a moment that I read them), it’s pretty clear that they address a correlation between animal abuse and other crimes for INDIVIDUALS, not for societies or nations. Even if they did, the quote is still unfounded and far-fetched.

          But if I accepted that nonsense is true, I suppose the greatest and most morally progressed of all nations would be the likes of India, where animals are gods. Never mind how they treat their poor, their dalit and their women.

  • Irvin

    Wisdom from godfather: “never let anyone know what you’re thinking”. This is especially true when doing business. When someone knows your motives, they will inevitably use it against you.

    The women would’ve probably gotten a better price and without the dogs being abused if they just pretended to be a meat lover, looking at the dog’s ass like when they’re buying chicken and say “this one is old, bad in soup! discount discount discount!”

    • diverdude7

      Yes, that would serve the immediate purpose, but thinking long-term seeing this old grandma abused by young china males (not Men) should implant an image that will stay with many decent Chinese and surely lead to a positive change in their society.

  • NightKnight

    You know what, if there is a high demand, then there will be a higher price, what you see in these pictures are cruelty of course, as well as economy 101.

    Basically, nobody knows Yulin dog meat festival untill a dog lover artist kowtowed to a pile of dog meat in Yulin 2013, after all, it’s a remote city with an uncommon custom which is not adopted by most of Chinese in the Mainland. however, after that, the festival is getting more and more attention on the internet, it’s becoming the central stage for the fighting between dog lovers and dog eaters…

    the bottom line is that It’s the dog lovers who are interfering other people’s lifestyle, annoying the customers in the dog meat restaurants, interrupting the dog meat business across the Yulin city, then this is what you get? straightforward revenge.
    I’m not defending this cruel animal torture, but it happened for a reason.

    and there’s a unconfirmed rumor: the cruel dog peddler in the pictures was hired by the dog lovers for obvious reason, a publicity stunt for more sympathy…

    • Don’t Believe the Hype

      omg give me a break. poor yulin residents, now that everyone is judging them they are forced to torture these animals even more. We should have a rights campaign just for them!

  • Bluex

    Even livestocks are treated better than this.

  • 5,000 years of uncivilization

    Because the Chinese government is far too corrupt, greedy and backward. I’d love to see something done about it but they can’t even enforce smoking or littering laws.

  • Just look at the gleeful expressions of the peddlers and the surrounding onlookers. This is a country where the people are numb and just don’t give a fuck. Everything is a spectacle to these people, even when they are actually witnessing the cultural collapse of morality, they laugh, and look, and observe, and take no action. Every time someone defends China, I think they should look at these pictures and realize the just who exactly is being defended.

    • Kai

      That’s not quite fair. The vast majority of the onlookers here are local Yulin residents and other dog peddlers who feel their way of life is being unfairly scrutinized by the rest of China. These people are not unaware of the rising public and negative attention on their festival. They find some measure of satisfaction in fucking people whom they see as their enemies and critics over, and that’s immature and petty, but it doesn’t exist in a vacuum.

      What you’re witnessing is actually pushback against a growing movement in China for animal rights and animal abuse awareness. A decade ago, you didn’t have nearly so many people promoting awareness of how animals are being treated in China, whether it be dogs for dog meat or bears for their bile. If you want to equate this as a reflection of a society’s “morality”, you’re actually seeing China getting “more moral” in this regard, not its “collapse”.

      Everytime I defend China, I look at these pictures and am appalled and disappointed, but I also remember that they come from people who are on this social issue, exposing the bad behavior of their countrymen, and doing so because they believe it is shameful and will be instrumental in influencing change in modern China.

      • Boris

        What the animal rights people should do is capture one of the peddlers and put him through what the dogs go througha dn then eat him. Post that shit online and see how people react.

        :P

  • the government can’t even get people to shit in a toilet

    • Dr Sun

      I have to ask you Rex which of your govt ministers taught you to shit in a toilet and did he teach you to wipe as well?

      • Don’t Believe the Hype

        why, do you still need to learn?

        • Dr Sun

          no, just wondering why you needed a govt worker to teach you

      • Boris

        I know what you are saying and I know Rex is a troll but clearly missing the point.

        You take a shit/piss in public in the UK or US. You can get arrested. People have been arrested and put on the sex offenders register for pissing in a playground, while drunk at night when there isn’t a kid in site. This doesn’t happen in China (or Mainland China to be precise). I assume there isn’t a law against it and if there is, hardly ever enforced.

        Now, this isn’t to say Westerners don’t piss or shit in public. But generally, when they do, they do not do it out in the open.

        • Confucius

          Yet another fascist defending the right of governments to make its citizens keep within the line. Oh wait, I thought that was what we were accusing China of doing? Gotta rethink that criticism there … better consult the NSA and the Obama drones!

          • Boris

            So you support people pissing and shitting everywhere and anywhere you like and any government stopping such action is facist?
            Ok.

  • Barack Obama

    Why doesn’t someone just kick this guy’s ass? I know I would, I would just run up there and do a haymaker on his face. And I bet you wouldn’t get in trouble for it either.

    • Don’t Believe the Hype

      same ! i would laugh and ask him to show me how he uses his leash choker, then use it on him myself. the look on his face would be enough to make me feel much better

    • Kai

      That’d be like going into the deep South when slavery was legal and beating up a slaveowner with all his pro-slavery friends around who are already annoyed by those busybody abolistionists in the North.

      It’s not going to end well for you.

      But yeah, it’d be tempting.

    • Teacher in China

      It wouldn’t do any good and you’d get your ass beat by a whole group of them. But even knowing that fact, if I was there, I would be seriously tempted to do the same, and I’m not in any way a violent person usually. Just fucking disgusting.

  • coldraindrops

    That first comment is stupid as ****. Also that guy with the sunglasses needs to have his face punched in.

  • done

    In my opinion, dogs are quantifiable better than humans because they’re in the moment at all times. They’re experiencing what some people devote their life to get glimpses of and that’s zen, just the bliss of being aware of being and nothing else. Dogs and animals are all the time.
    Compared to Chinese people…well they’re all the time focusing their minds on being Chinese and means getting the last penny to buy tasteless gaudy trinkets. Nothing else comes to mind.

  • Lei Feng’s Hat

    I don’t mind if the Chinese cheat, lie, back stab, degrade, and generally fuck each other over on a daily basis (after all, quality entertainment is hard to come by on the mainland, and watching mainlanders interact with each other is an entire comedy sub-genre unto itself).

    But, please China, lay off the dogs.

    In related news, Lei Feng’s Hat believes with all his heart that taking down a person who tortures dogs…is a righteous kill.

    So, let’s all do the right thing.

  • lonetrey / Dan

    Someon bring prongs, and restrain the peddlers to the ground.

    Then i can confiscate his prong and beat him over the head with it til it breaks. Head or prong, either is fine.

    I don’t even like dogs, but this is ridiculous, shameful, and disgusting. If someone kidnapped these peddlers and sold them as part of human trafficking, not a single fuck would be given by me.

  • DavidisDawei

    Advertise as a Culinary Delight Tourist Destination, you might get thousands showing up to participate next June.

  • Don’t Believe the Hype

    yikes, too far

  • Don’t Believe the Hype

    No, not pandas! That’s different! NOoooooooo

  • Irvin

    You are wrong, they are not only torturing living things, they are also extorting and resorting to the lowest form of doing business……….but………when have I ever said they are “correct”?

    • Don’t Believe the Hype

      your second sentence implies that there are societal justifications for this kind of behavior, i think that is what is confusing people including myself. I’m not sure that the society in this instance can justify his actions alone.

      • Irvin

        Influence, not justification.

  • Perseus Wong

    Stupid recurring moral equivalence arguments from the mainlanders that dogs are no different than other livestocks like cattle, pigs and poultry. Our human ancestors were able to domesticate those livestocks because they are herbivore grazers. Dogs are carnivore predators like us. Meaning they possess a higher degree of sentience, intelligence and social behavior. A cow or a duck is not likely to alert you to danger, protect your property, defend you, welcome you, etc.

    Honestly, you fucking nongmin asswipes make me ashamed to be identified as Chinese. Eating dog may have been customary, but it isn’t a rational necessity…just as some other idiotic Chinese custom like foot binding, death by a thousand cuts. Get with the times, China!

    • Barack Obama

      what about a goose, they are like dogs when it comes to protecting your home and we eat them too.

    • Dr Sun

      My, guess your not Chinese, just another ……

      btw humans are not carnivores, neither are dogs.

      • Don’t Believe the Hype

        This has nothing to do with the conversation but I thought it interesting to note that Pandas used to be carnivores. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_panda#Diet

      • Don’t Believe the Hype

        both humans and dogs are omnivores, but the fact that they are efficient hunters is perhaps the most relevant aspect of Perseus Wong’s comment.

        • Dr Sun

          Dogs are not omnivores they are vacuum cleaners much like sharks, they will eat anything including my driving licence and slippers.
          Unless you think buying packaged, processed food at Safeways or shooting a Elephant with a laser guided bazooka from 1/2 mile away is hunting, I would suggest times have changed.

          • Don’t Believe the Hype

            It doesn’t really matter what dogs do in your neighborhood, they are omnivores and a basic history lesson would teach you about why some animals were better at being domesticated than others, just as some neolithic homosapiens were better than the neanderthals at hunting. its a fact that these are signs of intelligence, survival of the fittest and all that bs. Are you replacing darwin now?

          • Dr Sun

            OMG, now you’re misquoting Darwin and calling it “fact”, lol

            why doesn’t it matter what dogs do in my neighbourhood ? if it had ate your slippers and driving license I doubt you would be so flippant.

    • bang2tang

      well, rooster will wake you up in the morning.
      and big fish eat another smaller fish as part of food chain.

  • bang2tang

    lol how do you know they don’t discover whale meat yet esp. since they’re the main customer of shark fin.

  • lasolitaria

    “We can’t get the Japanese to behave themselves”. WTF? That reeks of white man’s burden. Why don’t you get the Norwegians and Icelanders to stop whaling? And also the French to stop killing those cute frogs…

  • Brian227

    A stumbling block in this case would be that the constitution guarantees ethnic minorities in Autonomous Regions certain exemptions from national laws where they conflict with local customs. Imagine the howls of outrage from a different bunch of foreigners if they did away with that protection from ‘Han cultural imperialism.’!

    Damned if they do and damned if they don’t, eh?

  • vincent_t

    I know the woman who paid to buy and save the dog was just trying to do a good deed, but IMO that is just going to encourage the extortion. If I were her I would just tell him that since he tortured the dog, he is not going to get anything. I rather seeing a dog get tortured to death, than paying to save it while hinting the rest of the thugs that this is easiest way to extort more money.

    • tomoe723

      You can’t really blame the woman for being a true lover of dogs. What you are suggesting is like a doctor shouldn’t save a patient’s life when that patient is a criminal/murderer? A doctor is a doctor, a dog lover is a dog lover regardless of the circumstances.

      • vincent_t

        No, I am not blaming the woman. What I am saying is her action does not really help the dogs, but instead it backfire and more dogs would be tortured for money extortion like this.

        I know it is disputable. But we have to stand back and look at the fact rationally, once you fulfill the extortion wish of that guy, you are just inviting the rest of the despicable sub-human to do the same trick to get more money, and bam! more dogs would suffer. You comparison to doctor saving a murderer is rather off, because by saving the murderer, the doctor is not encouraging more people to commit the same crime like the patient did, but just creating risk that the patient might harm others again.

        Ever wonder why some government has this principle of no negotiation with terrorist? Same rationale.

        • tomoe723

          Her action helped saved that one dog, but sadly she can’t save all of them (unless she buys them all).. similar analogy with doctors, he can’t save all those patient’s lives either.

          I don’t believe in that principle about no negotiation with terrorists.

          The principle I believe in is saving lives.. same with the dog lover. It hurts not being able to save all those dogs, but I bet in little ways she’s still happy she got to save that one dog. Maybe she’ll cry when she get home for all those unfortunate dogs.

          And lastly, despicable humans will be descpicable, negotiations or none. I’d rather pay to buy the dog’s freedom. I don’t see any point in doing anything else to discourage their extortion practices. If there’s anything I’d probably want, is for them all extortionists to disappear or die away.

    • Kai

      Yeah, this is similar to how organized crime are kidnapping people, mutilating them, and then putting them out as beggars to prey on the sympathies of others. Really fucked up.

      • vincent_t

        That’s why I never give anything to beggars on street. It is not a good deed done, but in fact we are encouraging this organized crime. I feel sorry for the beggar, but nah, I am absolutely not sponsoring the crime.

  • Le chat

    Oh my, that is truly emotional blackmail.

  • Bluex

    Sorry, should have referenced it to other countries, definitely not China.

  • Surfeit

    Is cruelty to animals not a criminal offence? Even if they are born to die.

  • 5,000 years of uncivilization

    So China really needs a Chinese Midnight Oil and Morrissey to change the culture? Or are you saying China is hopeless? I really don’t want to give up on China but if it doesn’t improve it’s human and animals rights records and tackle environmental degradation soon, to hell with it! I’ll return to a civilized Europe.

  • Mighty曹

    The compassion in the woman’s face is very moving while the looks of the peddlers are infuriating.

    • whuddyasack

      Spoken for truth. She just has a surreal, gentle, kindly look about her and I agree the peddler and the mob still have a ways to go before becoming acceptably civil.

      • Mighty曹

        Each time I look at that pic I feel her pain and anguish. I wish her well.

        • whuddyasack

          Nods head. Likewise. May she have a long life full of peace and happiness.

  • Boris

    Confucius, have you followed this thread before you jumped in?

    Alex says there should be basic laws against animal cruelty (and if there is, it isn’t enforced).

    Rex, who does troll, mentions that the government cannot stop the people from defecating in the streets. Now, we don’t really know how much effort the government, if any, it has done to stop people doing this. But it is true that people do go in the streets. It is done even when a public toilet is close by (less than a minutes walk). And it’s not just kids.

    Dr Sun then chimes in and says “which of your govt ministers taught you to shit in a toilet and did he teach you to wipe as well?” – Which is not what Rex meant, even if he was trolling.

    And just like Dr Sun, you have replied to my post, sidestepping the point entirely to justify some misplaced moral outrage. It was pointless.

    “I don’t have to support people who are pissing and shitting everywhere, they’re doing it all very well on their own.” – So you are in support of people carrying on doing this? Do you think people in the USA should be allowed to defecate where and when they like in public? Do you think it is ok, to sit by a window in a restaurant while some guy is taking a leak by the window while you eat? Is that ok with you?

    “I’m calling you out on your attempt at showing cultural or social superiority by arguing for a stronger policing government in China.” – And you are showing your ‘victim complex’ from seeing things that aren’t there.

    “But let’s be honest here, you weren’t really arguing, were you? Your view is right, everyone else’s needs to change. Ok.” – Said the one with the victim complex. The only thing that I am arguing for is, if you need to go, try and find a dark corner or somewhere out of the way and if there is a public toilet nearby, use that instead of going on the street. I don’t know about you, but when I want to walk into a restaurant, it isn’t nice seeing some people pissing along it’s walls or when walking in a crowd, a parent holding it’s kids legs wide open spraying piss everywhere without any regards to the other people about (with a few getting their legs wet as they walk and suddenly piss hits their legs/shoes).

    But if we are truely being honest, weren’t you the one who said the USA alpha male is a frat boy while Chinese alpha males were like the people out of Kung Fu movies (your description of them were basically a character from such movies)? This goes to show you are biased. You defend/idealise everything Chinese but attack everything American (as we can also see from your first post on this thread – an attack on America and I’m not even American and the comments about frat boys = alpha males in the US). From your comments about Alpha Males, one could assume you’ve never been to China, and are probably born and raised in the US.

  • lol I won’t read… looks like pro-abortion but with puppies. Too cruel.

  • ;)

  • Most of the young Chinese people I know don’t eat dogs… and I lived in Dongbei which is like… a haidresser and a dog meat restaurant in every block

  • 950619

    poor dogs :(

  • Guilherme S.

    First of all, I am sending this message from Brazil, a country which you all know is very neutral and friendly with every other country in the world.

    Here in Brazil, we have laws that protect animals from abuse, be it animals for consumption, be it for domestic animals. As far as I know, this is the case in every minimally civilized country in the world.

    Here in Brazil, if anyone decides to mistreat a pig in the street, this person will be charged for animal cruelty and will be sent to jail. If a person decides to mistreat a dog or a cat, this person will be arrested, and if this becomes known by the people, the police will have to protect the abuser from us, because we HATE COWARDS that hurt innocent animals just because they want to. And we, Brazilans, as well as other 170 countries in the world, ABSOLUTELY LOVE DOGS.

    Even the poorest people in Brazil, homeless, love dogs. Actually, dogs show to be our TRUE FRIENDS in cases like these. Homeless people say: “Dogs are the only friends I can have. People always look strangely at me and go away from me, and dogs look at me as a friend. They support me in the most difficult moments, and they are always there for me. The only thing they ask back is
    some food and my friendship”.

    Many people here in Brazil know China as being a country where every kind of horrible violence and abuse is common and allowed. Chinese people need
    to understand that THE WHOLE WORLD is watching them with SHAME AND
    DISGUST.

    They must understand that loving dogs/cats is not a “cultural imposition from the west”. Just look at Australia, look at New Zealand, look at Japan, look at South Africa ! The WHOLE WORLD loves dogs ! This is for a reason ! And if you decide to eat them, at least kill them as quickly as possible and with less pain as possible ! Torturing them CANNOT BE JUSTIFIED AS CULTURE DIFFERENCE ! Torturing is DEMONIC AND UNACCEPTABLE, ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD !

    – “The only creatures on the planet that love humans more than they love themselves, are the dogs”.

    -“Dogs disregard their lives if it is to protect the humans they love. When a dog looks you in the eye, he IDENTIFIES you as a loving creature, to whom he has to be a loyal friend for the rest of his life”.

    – “The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated” – Gandhi.

    You Chinese people that enjoy the suffering of another live being, are
    WORSE THAN ANY PREDATOR IN THE NATURE. This is because predators kill
    only to survive, while you CAUSE PAIN because you WANT. No other
    horrible beast in the planet does that ! Anyone that does such things is
    a DEMON, NOT A HUMAN !!

    You should also know that this is also extremely offensive to Buddhism. “Buddhism claims that animals should not be harmed because they can be reincarnations of a reborn dead relative”. “A basic precept in Buddhism is that of non-harm”. Chinese people that do such horrifying things against animals, should know that they are dishonoring not only humanity, but Buddhism as well.

    So China, please show us that you can be respected as a country. One first
    step would be to BAN this Yulin Dog Meat Festival. There is absolutely
    no need to make a CELEBRATION on the torture and killing of dogs. This
    is a DISGRACE for China’s image in the WHOLE WORLD.

    This is a sincere request to you, from Brazil.

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