Grisly Rape and Murder of Young Chinese Girl in Shanxi

The rape and brutal murder of a young Chinese girl.

From NetEase:

21-Year-Old Girl Raped and Murdered in Jujube Grove, Head and Faced Bashed In

Chengdu.cn September 20th report — [Sichuan province] Guangyuan city Cangxi county girl Liu Jiao followed her parents to Shanxi province for work. At 5pm on September 15th, she was robbed, raped, and beaten to death in broad daylight by a thug in a jujube [date] grove in Shanxi province Taiyuan city Yuci district Wanghu village. The attacker’s methods were extremely cruel, involving the use of a heavy object to bash the girl’s head and face in and a wooden stick inserted into her throat.

The police bulletin:

Yuci district Public Security Sub-Bureau uncovers rape and murder case

At 8:02pm on September 15th, the Yuci district Public Security Sub-Bureau command center received a dispatch from the city-level bureau concerning a death that occurred opposite the Gujiabao town Wanghu low-cost housing development. This bureau’s leadership attached great importance to the matter and immediately organized and led the criminal division, forensics, and Guojiabao police station police officers to the scene.

Preliminary investigation has determined: At around 5pm on September 15th, in a grove of jujube trees 200 meters north of the Wanghu low-cost housing development, criminal suspect Zhang X (male, 17 years old, a migrant worker from Shaanxi province) came across victim Liu X (female, 21 years old, migrant worker from Sichuan province) who was in the process of picking jujubes. After raping her and afraid of her reporting it to the police, Zhang X used a brick to repeatedly bash Liu X’s head as well as choking her neck with a pair of pants until she died. After Zhang X returned home, he told his father what happened, who convinced him to surrender himself to the police. At present, criminal suspect Zhang X is being detained at the Pingyao County Detention Center, while the case is being processed.

Comments from NetEase:

安康首富 安康首富 [网易浙江省杭州市网友]:

Those who are in favor of the murderer being put to death by a thousand cuts, ding.

伍毛界杰出代表洪公公 [网易天津市网友]:

Can you please not attack the ordinary common people [but the those in power instead]?

守望者乔 [网易江苏省南通市网友]:

Pervert, beast, demon, what other words can be used to describe this person, MLGB

少将懂个球 [网易北京市网友]:

China has nearly 100 million bachelors, all sexually repressed, and a serious social problem.

杀国人最多的是宇宙真理教 [网易江苏省苏州市网友]:

This kind of thing is happening more and more, and the methods are becoming more and more hair-raising. Actually, just look at the apathy and indifference of the people around you, the way they treat strangers as if they were guarding against enemies, and you’ll know just how serious the sickness is with this nationality. Everyday they [the government] want you to dream, every day also promoting positive energy [positivity], when in reality is a one nightmare after another, filled with negative energy [negativity].

独立和公正的司法机构 [网易广东省网友]:

“she was robbed, raped, and beaten to death in broad daylight by a thug”, did someone see that it was a thug who did it?

美凌格forever [网易加拿大网友]:

Why have things been so messed up lately?

drteamwind1004 [网易湖北省武汉市网友]:

So sick, hurry and capture the murderer! And punish without mercy!

网易湖南省网友 ip:175.8.*.*

Looks like we need to return to using death by a thousand cuts.

网易广西柳州市柳北区手机网友(220.173.*.*):

Look at the photo and how [scantily] she is dressed, isn’t she just tempting others to commit a crime?

网易山东省青岛市手机网友 ip:182.40.*.* (responding to above)

So you can commit a crime if you’re tempted? The bank has so much money but how come you don’t go rob it?!

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  • SongYii

    Gross. China, clean up your psychopaths.

    • mr.wiener

      At the cost of sounding like a deflectionist..psycopaths are found everywhere , not just China. That said, I don’t think there will be much hesitation in giving this sad act the death sentence, and good riddence.

      • SongYii

        But this is a Chinese site about Chinese news happening in China, and this is a Chinese news story about a Chinese man in China who did something horrible to a Chinese woman.

        Virtually everything that happens in one country happens in another. My comment didn’t generalize about China, it wasn’t vicious. It was just a plainly stated response to the nature of the crime and where it happened to occur, and this site runs A LOT of similar stories. So we should respond, how, just say “oh, well, this happens everywhere” every time? WTH

        • mr.wiener

          Thought I’d better chime in before some wumao with a woody for putting down the west did mate.

          • SongYii

            dr. sun, bring it on! :-)

        • Probotector

          “So we should respond, how, just say “oh, well, this happens everywhere” every time?”

          That’s the CS moderator’s law, otherwise you’re being ‘intellectually dishonest’. ;)

          • Alex Dương

            You (and others) are only being intellectually honest if you imply / assert that these things are especially or uniquely Chinese.

          • wes707

            Yes, all comments on CS must include the following disclaimer: The opinion(s) herein may also be true of other cultures/countries.

            Also, sarcasm and hyperbole will be strictly moderated as it may be taken literally and sincerely hurt the feelings of Han tribalists. Disclaimer: This may also be true of other people who have a tribal allegiance.

          • Alex Dương

            So…you’re admitting that in our previous “discussion,” you were being sarcastic and hyperbolic? OK.

          • whuddyasack

            I heard from Kai that rensi left after all these fuggin
            creeps kept berating her articles, and it seems they want to do the same with Alex. Maybe it’s just me, but if that shit happened to a team member of mine, I’d be really annoyed and actually do something about it.

            @kaipan:disqus You know what I find really ridiculous and stupid? This forum is overtly biased against Han Chinese in comparison to the non-Asian losers swarming around here yet swammy losers still find the time to whine and gripe about the forums moderation policies. Look at how many comments by these SWAM are approved here, festering and untampered with. The fact that the western707 pinhead’s posts are allowed to stand are a testament to how tolerant you really are. If the Chinese did post the same tribalistic, offensive gibberish in an American, Canadian, Israeli or Swedish board they’d get banned instantly. Yet here they are, doing this on a daily basis and even justifying why they do this.

            I read with amusement his “personal” and churlish attacks against the mods here regarding their so-called Han ethnicity and him having the audacity to accuse you of being apologists. What he does not seem to understand is that many forums ban members on that premise alone since insulting moderators is the biggest no-no ever. Yet here they are. Here he is.

            But yes, let’s all complain about these so-called “wacist” Chinese hahaha. After all, it’s OK to make the Chinese your punching bags for whatever arbitrary reasons.

          • Kai

            Alex is a mod, so they can’t berate his articles, and he’s proven he has enough self-esteem and intelligence to defend his point of view and contributions to the cS community.

            Your penchant for labeling those you decry reminds me of how some people insist on labeling the people they decry “liberals” or “apologists” or whatever.

            As much as it never ceases to annoy us, I think we’ve kinda made our peace with the fact that internet commenters often bitch about moderation without being able to see beyond their own self-interest.

            Yes, there are many non-Chinese forums that have much stricter comment policies and moderation than we do. Doesn’t mean we have to be more like them.

            Yes, we’re quite humble about being repeatedly insulted and unfairly attacked by our charges. We egotistically think this makes us better people.

            It’s okay to complain about racist Chinese just as it is okay to complain about racist non-Chinese. What’s not okay is to make bad complaints, and often the best way to show that a complaint is bad is to explain how it is bad, not just silence it. Censorship has its place, but often persuasion in the marketplace of ideas is stronger.

          • whuddyasack

            Well, first of all who am I decrying? You guys? I’m only showing you my POV, that’s all. If I was really decrying you, I’d have been more offensive. I’d have brought up your mistake (which I would have labelled as incompetence), aka Sinosociopathy was indeed that forever alone POShitter to no end. He even admitted it later on. Inspite of what you think about me, I’ve never actually specifically talked bad in anger and hatred about you while those you defend do so consistently. Not even to my mailing list, those who share even more extreme views than I do and who I usually vent to. Perhaps I have a soft spot for Asians, who knows right?

            To me it looks like Alex is being savaged by uncivilized, dirty POS while trying his utmost to remain civil. Many have accused him of being a “wumao” or too nationalistic just because they had some petty squabbles with him in the past when he proved far more logical than your typical Chinese nationalist and indeed all of the westerners flinging shit at him. I actually think appointing him as mod was a good choice when compared to some of the non-Chinese alternatives out there that his critics might suggest.

            Sure Kai, maintain that the higher moral ground makes you better people, which it obviously does but this is just chimney smoking pot when faced with a problem. They and most commentators here don’t see it that way and therein lies the problem.

            Theoretically, your rhetoric is sound. But the issue is that these people remain unconvinced, how exactly can you persuade them when they are so tribal they immediately discredit you for being Chinese? What’s worse is many come from other crevices of the interwebs, they see these offensive comments making up most of CS’s comments, they see the upvotes and they feel encouraged to chime in. It is and always will be an uphill battle. I notice that when I post at other sites with a typically anti-Japanese rhetoric, the tone becomes much more reasonable as well. I hope you are following what I am trying to tell you. It is that people post the way they do for differing reasons. Most of these “Chinese racists” are reactionary and if you actually responded to them in a sympathetic light and tell them why they’re wrong, they will react positively to your criticism. However, for people who seek to offend you can never offer them logic. That’s casting pearls towards swine my friend. And this is why I think leaving these comments while filtering out the “racist” Chinese comments which are almost always caused by unnecessary provocations more harmful than good.

            Like me, you’re an idealist but ideas without pragmatism don’t succeed.

          • Kai

            Well, first of all who am I decrying?

            Rick in China, POS, wes07, “many here”, etc.

            I’m only showing you my POV, that’s all.

            The people you decry also whine “it’s just my opinion”. Yes, it’s your opinion, and when your opinion is objectionable, it is objectionable.

            If I was really decrying you, I’d have been more offensive. I’d have brought up your mistake (which I would have labelled as incompetence), aka Sinosociopathy was indeed that forever alone POShitter to no end.

            My mistake? My mistake is not investigating every single commenter to see if they’re actually someone who was banned but with a new name? I’m incompetent because I don’t pore over data logs to catch every single circumventer and troll on cS? I’m incompetent because I don’t witch hunt the people you want me to witch hunt?

            What is wrong with you?

            Theoretically, your rhetoric is sound. But the issue is that these people remain unconvinced, how exactly can you persuade them when they are so tribal they immediately discredit you for being Chinese?

            The goal isn’t necessarily the persuade them, but to prevent them from persuading others by offering a better, more persuasive alternative.

            Most of these “Chinese racists” are reactionary and if you actually responded to them in a sympathetic light and tell them why they’re wrong, they will react positively to your criticism.

            You haven’t.

            However, for people who seek to offend you can never offer them logic.

            And you’ve repeatedly presented yourself as someone who seeks to offend. I’m offering you logic, but you’re not taking it. So, like I said, you are just like them.

            And this is why I think leaving these comments while filtering out the “racist” Chinese comments which are almost always caused by unnecessary provocations more harmful than good.

            We don’t filter out the “racist” Chinese comments any more than we filter out the “racist” non-Chinese comments. We don’t filter for “racism”, we filter for “trolling”.

            Like me, you’re an idealist but ideas without pragmatism don’t succeed.

            Betraying your ideals for petty retribution and reprisal is not “pragmatism”.

          • Probotector

            Of course they’re not, but when someone says “tsk tsk China” when they see these sort of headlines, it’s not necessarily a denial that similar negative news and events come out of other places.

          • Alex Dương

            I agree. I am talking about instances where people actively try to claim that these behaviors are especially or uniquely Chinese.

          • Kai

            No, it isn’t necessarily a denial that similar negative news and events come out of other places. So are people reminding you that similar shit happens elsewhere because they interpret “tsk tsk China” as being too judgemental? That you wouldn’t “tsk tsk China” wagging your finger if you just remembered that the thing you’re tsk’ing isn’t unique to China and thus China shouldn’t need to be specified?

            Think of it from another perspective. Haven’t you objected to Chinese netizens tsk’ing the UK ritish for stuff that also happens in China? Were they necessarily denying that such things don’t also come out of other places? No, it was primarily because you interpreted them as being too judgemental and possibly hypocrtically so.

            If you can understand why you object to Chinese netizens doing that, you can understand why some people object to others doing fundamentally the same thing.

          • Kai

            No, you should probably ask if it is necessary to respond with an emphasis on the nationality/race/etc. You have to ask yourself what’s the purpose in specifying. Are you specifying because it isn’t known and people need to know?

            Remember, a lot of us don’t like it when Chinese netizens do the same thing.

        • Kai

          But this is a Chinese site about Chinese news happening in China, and this is a Chinese news story about a Chinese man in China who did something horrible to a Chinese woman.

          And everyone on the site already knows this, so the question often asked is: why is it necessary to specify “China”?

          Why can’t it be “goddamn psychos” or “we need to clean up ur psychopaths”?

          Imagine if we said:

          “Gross, black people, clean up your psychopaths” or “gross, white people, clean up your psychopaths” in response to a story where the race of the perpetrator is publicly known.

          Wouldn’t we come across as overly emphasizing a racial/ethnic identity in a knee-jerk effort to say “this is what THEY are guilty of that WE are not”?

          That’s the problem. The possibility that we’re rushing to disassociate from something through generalizations is what might offend others, because it conveys the notion that the perpetrator’s race, ethnicity, nationality, gender, whatever is intrinsically tied to their crime or behavior.

          You may not have intended it, but I think it’s important to consider how it might be interpreted.

          • SongYii

            Because they aren’t the world’s to clean up? Or would you like NATO to descend on China and start arresting people who are potentially psychopathic?

            Hell, lets change the site name to “worldSMACK” because why is it necessary to specify China? Some of the news articles are about Japan, or America, the other day, Scotland.

            Its funny a few weeks ago you were such a fan of “context” when arguing Janus’s retarded analogy about parents beating their own kids being more acceptable than strangers, but now that context is king (given this is a site about *China*) you’re ready to throw context out the window. Which leads me to the conclusion that, surprise!….

            Kai likes to make things mean what he wants them to mean!

            Rick’s right, you’d be a great lawyer.

          • Kai

            Because they aren’t the world’s to clean up?

            This proves my point. You specify “China” because condemning the crime wasn’t enough, you had to emphasize that the psychopath is tied to China. Somewhere in your reaction, it was important for you to disassociate yourself. You combined finger-wagging with finger-pointing.

            Again, try looking at the issue from a different perspective. What if it was a Chinese person wagging his finger at Americans to clean up their psychopaths in response to a news report about an American doing something really horrific?

            You’d get the same pushback you’re getting here. We only need to look at how many foreigners have reacted in the same way to Chinese netizens doing the same thing in countless articles cS has translated in the past. When a Chinese netizen says something similar to what you did, there are foreigners who express offense in the comments and point out that the same thing happens in China and other countries.

            Hell, lets change the site name to “worldSMACK” because why is it necessary to specify China? Some of the news articles are about Japan, or America, the other day, Scotland.

            chinaSMACK is called chinaSMACK because it translates Chinese internet content and Chinese netizen discussions, not because all the content is about China itself.

            You’ve been on cS long enough to know this.

            Its funny a few weeks ago you were such a fan of “context” when arguing Janus’s retarded analogy about parents beating their own kids being more acceptable than strangers, but now that context is king (given this is a site about *China*) you’re ready to throw context out the window

            No, I’m not throwing context out the window; I’m actually introducing greater context. The very reason why some people might take offense to you specifying China in your finger-wagging is precisely because of the context I mentioned. Everyone reading your finger-wagging comment already knows this happened in China, so the obvious question is, again: why was it necessary to specify China in your comment?

            If you had said something like “fucking psychopaths”, everyone would take it as a condemnation of psychopaths. However, specifying China easily makes people wonder if you’re as intent on condemning China as you are psychopaths. The question then is: does this guy think psychopaths are so unique to China?

            Do you now understand mr.wiener’s response to you and the 16 upvotes it currently has?

            Kai likes to make things mean what he wants them to mean!

            I thought I had very clearly given you the benefit of the doubt when I proactively declared that you may not have intended to come across that way but suggested that it is important to consider (and understand) how our words may be interepreted. If you don’t understand why someone reacted to you the way they did, doesn’t it make sense to try understand how they might have interpreted you?

            You’re upset because what I’m saying may suggest you said what you did out of prejudice. You don’t think of yourself as prejudiced, so you conclude that I must be twisting your words to mean what I want them to mean.

            I wasn’t trying to do that. I was trying to explain to you why people might feel compelled to remind you that psychopaths aren’t unique to China in response to your comment finger-wagging at China to clean up its psychopaths.

            Sometimes people are uptight and overly politcally correct. Sometimes, however, what you said really does make people wonder what is motivating you to say the specific things you did.

            If you don’t want to be misunderstood, then you have to care about how you come across to others and modify your speech accordingly to best represent what you actually want to express as limited by how you want to appear to others. This is something we all do every day of our lives.

          • SongYii

            I specify “China” because Chinese psychopaths are solely China’s responsibility. How many different ways can I say this? It does nothing to prove your point! WTH are you talking about?

            I feel the same way about the U.S.! When that kid got killed at USC a few months ago, I thought “Wtf is wrong with Los Angeles? Why are they not protecting students?”

            RE: chinaSMACK is called chinaSMACK because…

            Why does this argument work for you, but not for me? This is identical to the very first reason I gave for specifying “China” in my original post. Of COURSE I know why its called chinasmack. You really can’t see that I was making fun of your argument “bleeeeerg, why do you specify China, its like this in every country”?

            You give WAY WAY too much credence to upvotes. I said it before, you have no idea what people are thinking when they award upvotes. My guess is those upvotes were awarded for “death sentence, good riddance.” Why do you think upvotes are 100% agreement with the entirety of a post?

            RE: You’re upset because what I’m saying may suggest you said what you did out of prejudice.

            No, I’m not, I’m upset because you are needling and presumptuous.

          • Kai

            I specify “China” because Chinese psychopaths are solely China’s responsibility.

            And this is necessary for you to say… why?

            How many different ways can I say this?

            Until you find a way to make mr.wiener’s reply to you seem completely irrelevant.

            It does nothing to prove your point! WTH are you talking about?

            Then you haven’t understood my point.

            I first said that your comment could be interpreted as someone motivated to tie race/ethnicity/nationality/etc. to a crime or behavior AND disassociate oneself from that crime or behavior by being of a different race/ethnicity/nationality/etc.

            You then replied by saying the crime or behavior isn’t the world’s to clean up, that it is China’s responsibility.

            On the surface, that’s seemingly true. Psychopaths in China should be controlled by China’s legal system.

            The thing is, it also proved what I said, that there is cause for people to interpret your remark as someone motivated to tie nationality to a crime or behavior. Hence, mr.wiener’s response to you.

            You may not have meant to come across that way, and I gave you the benefit of the doubt for that, but you also expressed confusion over mr.wiener’s response to you so I was explaining his response to you.

            You have to understand how people might interpret finger-wagging at a crime/behavior versus finger-wagging at a country/nationality differently. You did the latter and with that comes a whole host of questions about your underlying motivations for doing so.

            I feel the same way about the U.S.! When that kid got killed at USC a few months ago, I thought “Wtf is wrong with Los Angeles? Why are they not protecting students?”

            And if you can produce an online comment of you doing just that, it would help people better understand you. It would help them rule out the possibility you being prejudicially judgemental or motivated to disassociate.

            When I say “man, that’s fucked up”, I’m communicating that I think something is fucked up. But when I say “China, that’s fucke up”, I’m communicating that someone specific is to be blamed and shamed. I’m communicating that I’m judging someone and that someone should be judged.

            When people feel something is unfairly judged, they often respond by pointing out how others are also guilty of the same thing. mr.weiner did just that, so it would make sense to concluded that he felt you may have been unfairly judging China.

            Do you understand mr.wiener’s response to you now?

            RE: chinaSMACK is called chinaSMACK because…

            Why does this argument work for you, but not for me? This is identical to the very first reason I gave for specifying “China” in my original post.

            Because our arguments are different. You tried to argue equivalence between our site name specifying what country’s internet content is being translated and you specifying China in your finger-wagging when it isn’t necessary for readers of your comment to know what country is involved.

            There’s a difference between titling a textbook “American History” versus a non-American reader scrawling “America, clean up your psycopaths” in the margins of that book on a page about some American psychopath for the next person to read.

            Of COURSE I know why its called chinasmack.

            If you did, then why did you make the argument that cS should be called worldSMACK citing articles that weren’t topically about China itself?

            You really can’t see that I was making fun of your argument “bleeeeerg, why do you specify China, its like this in every country”?

            No, because it was clear to me that there was no equivalence.

            You give WAY WAY too much credence to upvotes.

            No, I don’t. I do, however, point to upvotes when it conveniently bolsters my argment, just as so many others do. However, unlike some people who point to upvotes hoping the appeal to popularity fallacy proves something to be “true” or “right”, I only pointed to the upvotes to prove that there are multiple people who interpreted your remark in a way that makes mr.wiener’s response to you sensible and relevant. You expressed confusion with mr.wiener’s response to you. I was hoping the fact that many other people identified with his response might help you understand that you DO need to try understanding how you may have come across to others with your remark.

            I said it before, you have no idea what people are thinking when they award upvotes. My guess is those upvotes were awarded for “death sentence, good riddance.” Why do you think upvotes are 100% agreement with the entirety of a post?

            Why do you think they aren’t? Like you said, you have no idea what people are thinking when they award upvotes.

            RE: You’re upset because what I’m saying may suggest you said what you did out of prejudice.

            No, I’m not, I’m upset because you are needling and presumptuous.

            Needling? You’re saying I’m provoking you? Doesn’t that encompass what I said, that what I said might suggest you said what you did out of prejudice?

            Presumptuous? How? When I’ve proactively given you the benefit of the doubt and explained mr.wiener’s response in terms of not what you meant but how others may have interpreted you?

            There are plenty of negative adjectives I could use to describe my impression of your commenting persona on cS but I try not to indulge in talking shit about people out of pettiness. I’m trying to explain why you got a certain response, and you’re making personal attacks because you don’t like my explanations.

            One more time, when Chinese people do the same finger-wagging thing you did specifying a specific country or nationality, non-Chinese people also reliably point out that the thing isn’t unique to that country. All you need to do to understand mr.wiener’s response to you is understand that. Every time someone finger-wags at a broadened identity over the negative actions of a minority, people are quick to point out its unfairness and seek fairness by reminding everyone that something is actually universal. If you can understand people doing it when it benefits identities you associate with, you should understand people doing it for identities you don’t associate with.

          • SongYii

            Necessary to say because the story is about A CHINESE PSYCHOPATH IN CHINA.

            You are cavilling over almost nothing. Im *pretty* sure you must know that.

            There absolutely is an equivalence. I am baffled why you are trying so hard to disprove that, and rather clumsily.

            Maybe you really just cant be wrong. If someone calls orange orange and you say its red, goddamn it, its red.

          • Kai

            Necessary to say because the story is about A CHINESE PSYCHOPATH IN CHINA.

            Again, why is it necessary when everyone reading your comment already knows this becaus they just read the same article you did?

            “china” is in cS’s name because it is useful to communicate to people what the site is about before they’ve visited. In contrast, the “China” in your “China, clean up your psychopaths” comment underneath the article that everyone has already read, is not useful except for specifying who the finger-wagging is directed against.

            You are cavilling over almost nothing.

            You’re the one who expressed confusion over mr.wiener’s response. I’m just trying to explain it to you. As long as you demonstrate that you don’t understand, I’m patiently trying to help you understand.

            I’ve even proactively said that it may be nothing, right from my very first reply to you. I did so by saying you may not have intended to come across a certain way, but if you want to understand the response, you have to try to understand how you may have come across to others. You’re refusing to do so.

            All you need to do is recognize that you may have been interpreted in a certain way, and that explains the response you got, but to be clear, that’s not what you intended to communicate.

            Why not just do that?

            There absolutely is an equivalence. I am baffled why you are trying so hard to disprove that, and rather clumsily.

            Then argue it. Don’t just claim my argument is clumsy, prove it.

            Maybe you really just cant be wrong. If someone calls orange orange and you say its red, goddamn it, its red.

            Now you’re just making personal attacks in a different way. I’ve recognized and even apologized for when I’ve been wrong plenty of times in the past. I have little trouble admitting my mistakes when they are apparent to me. The question now is, why do you find it so hard to entertain the notion that your original remark was interpreted in a certain way that justifies mr.wiener’s response to you?

          • SongYii

            theres nothing to argue, kai. ‘everyone knows the article is about china, so you cant mention china or people will be confused.’ this is the entire weight of your argument.

            accordingly, everyone knows all countries have psychopaths, so cant say that, or people will be confused… everyone knows psychopaths are shitty, so cant say that, it confuses people! right?… everyone knows the article is about a psychopath because they just read it, so why even mention psychopaths?

            let me change my original post. here goes:

            ‘i have read the article.’

            hows thats?

          • Kai

            theres nothing to argue, kai. ‘everyone knows the article is about china, so you cant mention china or people will be confused.’ this is the entire weight of your argument.

            You need to stop and remember that I wasn’t even trying to argue with you. I don’t have an “argument”; I have an explanation in response to your “WTH” in your response to mr.wiener.

            If I have an “argument”, it is to ask you if you recognize that non-Chinese respond to remarks like yours by also pointing out that something is not unique to somewhere but can be found everywhere, as mr.wiener responded to you. If you do, then you shouldn’t be “what the hell’ing” mr.wiener.

            Otherwise, the only “argument” here is over you personally attacking me for answering your question.

            Let me repeat this one more time, to understand mr.wiener’s reply to you instead of complaining “what the hell?” in confusion, just think about how non-Chinese people might reply to a similar comment except directed at another country or nationality in a similar circumstance. You can see this in countless past cS posts. Almost every time someone points out that something isn’t unique and can be found everywhere, it is because they feel the person they are responding to is being too judgemental, generalizing unfairly, or hypocritically finger-wagging.

            If that’s not what you intended to do, then say so, but it shouldn’t be difficult for you to understand. All it takes is putting yourself in other people’s shoes.

          • SongYii

            your response to mr.wiener.

            he and I settled it a long time ago.

            I don’t have an “argument.”

            Then shut up.

          • Kai

            Do you recognize that non-Chinese respond to remarks like yours by also pointing out that something is not unique to somewhere but can be found everywhere?

          • whuddyasack

            Instead of trying to explain the obvious to Song Yii when it is clear his brain undergoes a meltdown when forced to think, why not just link this “crapcellent” comment of his:

            http://www.chinasmack.com/2014/stories/isis-beheads-american-journalist-chinese-netizen-reactions.html#comment-1552540210

            I call it check mate.

          • Kai

            What? How does that comment of his help explain “the obvious” to him?

          • whuddyasack

            t’s just a way of telling him “I know what you are, what you are trying to do and I think you should grow up.” The following replies to his disgusting comment is fairly self-explanatory. Basically, it is obvious he is just trolling around and throwing offensive comments to provoke responses and then rushing in to defend them with lousy, equally offensive justifications. Much like the Fred Fong (notice how I usually ignore the obvious trolls).

            No, he is not like me. He is simply trying to offend. I am trying to communicate my point to you but somehow finding it hard to get through. Yes, I’ve made some “offensive” remarks at certain posters but only because I think they’re full of nonsense or malice.

          • Kai

            Uh, that comment was of him making a joke. The most you can criticize him for that is that it might be a tasteless joke to people (like mr.wiener and David).

            So you know what he is? That he’s a tasteless joker, that he tries to make tasteless jokes, and thus should grow up?

            Not sure how big of a “checkmate” that is.

            I think you’re getting ahead of yourself. Sean has made much more questionable comments. If you want to make a point about his character, you should find something much more damning AND relevant to discussion at hand.

            I’ve been very clear in what parallels I’ve drawn between you and him. If you want to disagree with them, you should argue how those parallels are faulty, not just insist that you two are not the same. I frankly feel both of you indulge in things where the sole purpose is to offend or the offensiveness sabotages any point either of you intended to communicate.

            Finally, you haven’t just made offensive remarks “at certain posters”, you’ve made offensive remarks categorically, just as Sean has. For example, when you throw in random racist rants about white/black people in response to someone you aren’t arguing with or even are trying to cozy up to.

  • NeverMind

    I am all in favor of introducing another form of punishment to such people. It is called ‘Release them to the angry public’. Imagine what the general angry public would do to such sick perverts. The death sentence is letting them off easily.

    I would personally like to beat the living daylights out of this animal.

    • Amused

      How about just sentence them to be raped and beaten to death on tv. You need to inspire an element of humiliation as well as fear.

      • David Kuo

        not sure that public executions and mob retribution is a step forward. that being said, something drastic needs to be done to remind these perverts what awaits them

      • Satchan

        Punish a rapist by raping them? How does that make you any better than the rapists themselves?

        • Amused

          Who’s talking moral high ground here? I’m talking about punishment, which by its very nature, is REVENGE. And it seems quite fair. If it was your sister or mother that got “bricked and sticked” I’m sure you might have a very different feeling about the matter.

          • Satchan

            I agree with you that criminals should be shamed, punished and humiliated but not the eye-for-an-eye part.
            When you share the pain a loved one has suffered, it hurts to even think that you could do the same thing to another person, even if it is for revenge. My feelings will not change and I’m not talking about morals either but my experience. Also, I would feel uncomfortable with raping anyone much less a rapist.

          • Amused

            It’s nice to know that the meek are still inheriting the earth.

          • Satchan

            :)

          • whuddyasack

            I’m going to play devil’s advocate here but if the rapist had been your son, brother or father, I’m sure you would sing a very different tune. How I know? Well, just think of the sickening number of times friends and families of convicted killers abet their denials and try to protect them with “my son is a good boy, he would never…” Unsurprisingly, I only see this behavior in countries that claim to be progressive, open minded and full of “human rights”.

          • Amused

            Not so much in my family. Shame the family name and the law is usually the least of your problems with us. Maybe the whole “bash a chicks head in and gag her with a tree branch” thing flies over at your house, but not mine. As my father was often wont to say,”I brought you into this world, I can take you out”. A bit conservative now that I think of it, was old dad.

          • whuddyasack

            Hah, let’s just say I’m going to take your word for it. After all, your the man who has armpit hair 2 feet long, reeking of possum stew. Your the sort of “hero” who does it better than Ghost Rider after all. I was sorry to ever doubt you, it’s just that the CS community with few exceptions tend to be a spineless bunch. Alternating between liberal and conservative when it most definitely suits them.

            N.B. I “know” your delusional and full of it. ;-)

          • Amused

            Awwwww, does this mean you’re moving out AND you want your music back? Gosh, my super-macho feelings are hurt. The world isn’t safety padded and rapists should die. Enjoy your fantasy world where they rehabilitate.

    • Free Man

      I would like to see you (wrongly) accused for rape and then being beat to a pulp by a bloody mob who doesn’t care if you are guilty or not.

      • NeverMind

        So, what punishment do you suggest to people who are convicted of brutally raping and murdering girls? Community service and an early release? There could still be a slim chance of them being innocent right?

        • Satchan

          You first say that the death sentence is too good for them, and now you say that they might be innocent? I’m confused.

          • NeverMind

            It was sarcasm in response to Free Man’s reply to my comment.

        • Free Man

          No, of course not. Let’s just kill ’em all, because that’s much better and most of those bastards are probably guilty anyway and if not, shit happens, right?

          You clearly haven’t been in jail before. They take care of such cases. Everyday. For a long time. To me that sounds much better than torture for only a day or 2. And it offers the chance of correcting mistakes.

          But yeah, go ahead and just painfully kill anyone who you consider deserving it. Sounds so smart. And if you screw up and kill the wrong guy, who cares? Right?

          • NeverMind

            Well, my first comment says ‘such people’, by which I mean those that are clearly guilty. This guy confessed his crime in a way that he’s clearly as guilty as it gets. If a guy can shove a stick up a girls throat I am not sure such a guy feels any form of remorse by spending a few years in jail.

            I don’t mean something like you shout at a random guy on the street ‘Hey Rapist!’ and then the whole mob goes and beats the shit out of him. There is a method to the madness I’m suggesting.

            No, I have not been to jail before but I have known people who have been to jail for molesting/raping women/kids. I originally hail from a slum in South Asia (think Slumdog millionaire!), where such crimes are widespread. And, I have not seen anyone of these guys getting their due in jail. The guys I’m talking about are the lowest scumbags. The place I am from you could bail yourself out of murder/rape any crime you name.

            Regarding ‘They take care of such cases’. Are all these cases taken care of? How many cases do you know that were taken care of? Or, are you talking about Hollywood movies here?

          • Free Man

            You can mean whatever you want. I don’t like the death sentence one bit and I don’t like angry mobs deciding about right and wrong. There have been enough cases of “clear guilt”, which turned out to be bullshit years later (and in some cases too late, because the person was already terminated).

            Keep them in prison and throw away the keys. There they might even be used as a mistress by someone.

            If those people can get free using bribes, then that’s a different problem with another solution (ask the fuckface Li Tianyi, if he was able to buy himself free).

    • lacompacida

      Putting them in jail unprotected has the same effect.

      • NeverMind

        Well, I have heard that about American jails, though it seems like an Urban legend to me. But, the same cannot be said of Chinese jails.

  • Amused

    Say what you will about China’s failings, they DO have the death penalty. Got to wonder at the super low quality of the criminals here tho. Not that I’m complaining, but daaaaaaaamn they can be stupid.

    • lacompacida

      Are you telling us that death penalty in China is working and is stopping people committing serious and ugly crimes ?

      • biggj

        I’m sure it helps a bit. I’d think twice about the crime I was about to do.

        • mr.wiener

          Bigg J.! Long time no post man, how hangeth the hammer?

      • Amused

        Yup. After they’re dead, the most they can do is molest the daisies.

        • Kai

          mmmmm…daisies…

  • Gerhana

    its bad when you can only use force to get rid of temptation… do not know how to write a love letter to woo her heart, no money to pay for prostitute, no idea how to download pornography, doesnt know how to masturbate…. etc. So what is the real problem? is it lack of education? lack of problem solving skill or creative thinking? its like robbing a bank to get money rather than start your own business, find a job…. etc

    • Amused

      I believe they call it “retardation”. Too stupid to solve simple problems or look even a couple of hours into the future.

      • Gerhana

        hmm yes that too… it could also be because of no opportunity to gain all of the stuff that I mentioned and more. The problem could actually be the society, after all, education is also another way to retain status quo between elite and non-elite… not everyone can get or afford quality education, which leads to all the good things in life…. He might just be the result of a marginalised people, a product of his society….

        • David

          I also wonder about the reporting. It seems like every rape reported is “he saw her and decided to rape her”, as if that is the natural first impression every man has when he sees a woman. That is how every rape is reported.

          • firebert5

            What if they are reporting based on their own first impressions? Then they just assume the rapists had the same first impressions because everyone is the same, right? (I’m being facetiously sarcastic here. This is an absolutely horrific crime though.)

    • Brido227

      The real problem is thinking of others as inconsequential. It’s not society’s fault or any similar cop-out, it’s the fault of the rapist.

      Score 1 for the death penalty.

  • A long way from home

    “Look at the photo and how [scantily] she is dressed, isn’t she just tempting others to commit a crime?”

    So tired of that kind of shit. Yes, if someone dresses to impress you can ogle. Just like you can ogle the juicy melons the street vendor is selling. But it doesn’t mean you can go hit the melon with a brick and rape it.

    • David

      Not to mention, this is probably a glamor shot they got off her WeChat, I doubt if she was dressed like this while picking dates.

      • SongYii

        when i go to the park, which is a lot, i see women in nice dresses and high heels or platforms hiking up the mountain all the time. so, maybe she was dress nice ;-)

        • David

          True, I have friends who wear a dress and high heels everywhere, including on the beach or when we go hiking in the mountains.

          • SongYii

            When I lived in Shenyang, there was about an inch of ice and snow pack for 5 months of the year covering every inch of every sidewalk in the city. Women would walk right through it in heels or platforms, and cold as shit, still wear short dresses with leggings. Impressive skills… never saw anyone fall.

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            that’s because they do the cowboy walk…very stable

          • SongYii

            Ha! There are a lot who mosey!

          • SonofSpermcube

            Fuck, in Sapporo, Japan, circa 2000, when the ganguro thing was still huge, chicks walked around in short skirts (like ass-hanging-out-short, sometimes) in fucking Sapporo fimbulwinter, in 8 inch platforms, without leggings. I think maybe the eye makeup was keeping them warm.

          • SongYii

            or they are ROBOTS.

            if any country would test (sexy) humanoid robots for decades under everyone elses radar, its japan!

          • SonofSpermcube

            Ganguro were not sexy.

          • Kai

            Heh, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all, but personally, it depended on how far they went with it.

      • Kai

        There’s a pun waiting to happen somewhere around here.

    • donscarletti

      Girls who show more skin should get priority from law enforcement and harsher sentences for anyone who harms them. Having pretty girls in short skirts, low cut tops, high heels, etc is the most effective way of improving the asthetic quality of any environment and it is the responsibility of every single one of us to do our best to assist.

      • Satchan

        That’s ridiculous.

        • donscarletti

          Ridiculous? Maybe. Maybe the person who first suggested universal sufferage or the abolition of slavery was being ridiculous too.

          Or maybe Adam Smith was ridiculous when he wrote a book about how wealth should be invested in industry rather than hereditary landlords seeking rent.

          Or maybe 19th century political activists who dreamed of a 40 hour workweek and the end of child labour were ridiculous too.

          • Satchan

            You miss my point. Women get raped no matter how much clothing they are wearing. What you are saying is that a woman who is raped while strolling the streets stark naked is prioritised over a fully clothed woman who is raped. That is what I am calling ridiculous. Punishment should be equal for both cases.

          • donscarletti

            Women do get raped in both cases, but the frequency is different. There is a reason women in certain countries wear burkas because honestly if they didn’t a lot of them would get raped (a lot already do get raped).
            The fact that rapists justify their acts by how a woman is presented after the fact suggests that they probably do so before the fact as well. That rape is not absolved by what a woman is wearing does not suggest in the slightest that the frequency is unaffected. One of these is a moral question, one is simply fact. One makes oneself desirable to men and one makes ons elf desirable to the bad ones as well and a target for what bad men do.
            However, the burka scenario being a dystopian vision we should prevent it as best we can. Punishment is not soully determined by the action, it also takes into account things like pre-meditation, this would be simply another factor the judge would take into account in sentencing.

          • whuddyasack

            Satchan is right though. You look more and more like one ridiculous circus monkey spewing even more ridiculous rhetoric to justify yourself. Boy have I got news for you. ME, NA and South Asian women get raped more frequently than in countries where women feel free to dress scantily. Unsurprisingly, they think like you do, “uncovered meat attracts flies”…

            Only a fool thinks that women should be protected based on how they dress and defend it so self-righteously. How about this? Drop the caveman thinking and agree that no woman should not be raped regardless of her circumstances. People who strongly suggest that what women wear sexually arouses others to rape are in fact the closet rapists themselves. That’s just how they think.

          • Kai

            Jesus Christ, he’s not saying anything to suggest certain circumstances excuse rape. He’s saying how you carry yourself communicates certain things to other people and that’s true. Not every rapist rapes someone because of what they are wearing, but there are rapes where how a woman was dressed was one factor among many that the rapist noticed or considered before deciding to commit the rape.

            What a person wears is never a justification for raping them, but what a person wears will influence how others might see or behave towards them. There is no profit in denying this.

          • whuddyasack

            I hope you’re joking. I seriously do. The gist of his initial comment which Satchan rightly identified as ridiculous was the notion that women who showed more skin should get priority over those who do not from those who harmed them. In reality, all victims should receive equal treatment and all rapists their just punishment. It’s not a difficult concept at all.

            Of course what people wear might affect “some” rapists, but it’s not like most victims dress provocatively and “ask for it”. That’s not even the biggest reason why victims are selected. Out of respect, I can’t share the details but this is quite a personal thing for me and I’m actually quite touchy on this. Anyways, back to square one, you’ve got to admit the Don’s comment was open to ridicule and his later comments looked just like dance offs to save “face” to me. That’s why I made the comment I did and poked fun at that rubbish. It should never be taken seriously.

          • Kai
          • whuddyasack

            Well, it wasn’t very funny and could have been taken the wrong way. Given these laowai in Chinasmack’s poor misogynistic record, how was I to know he wasn’t being serious? He did make 2 attempts to justify himself after all.

            She speaks the truth, http://www.chinasmack.com/2014/stories/teacher-scolds-class-for-not-giving-a-gift-on-teachers-day.html#comment-1595703362. Very interesting to see who the culprits are, or maybe you might find them a little predictable.

          • Kai

            Having pretty girls in short skirts, low cut tops, high heels, etc is the most effective way of improving the asthetic quality of any environment and it is the responsibility of every single one of us to do our best to assist.

            If you weren’t fluent in English, I’d be more forgiving, but you are, so this is closer to being an issue of your reading comprehension than him writing something so ambiguous that it “could have been taken the wrong way”. That said, people misunderstand each other online all the time, so I’ll still be forgiving.

            Given these laowai in Chinasmack’s poor misogynistic record, how was I to know he wasn’t being serious?

            Maybe you should try to interpret people without your general lens of “misogynistic laowai”?

            He did make 2 attempts to justify himself after all.

            No he didn’t. His response to Satchan’s reply was further facetiousness. His second response explicitly said:

            “That rape is not absolved by what a woman is wearing does not suggest in the slightest that the frequency is unaffected.”

            She speaks the truth, http://www.chinasmack.com/2014…. Very interesting to see who the culprits are, or maybe you might find them a little predictable.

            What? What “truth” did she speak that the teacher angry about Teacher’s Day gifts is relevant to?

          • whuddyasack

            Well, yes I’ll admit that he was being facetious and the “misogynistic laowai” trope is so common and prevalent that it is not really funny and can be taken the wrong way. Very often, the rapists amongst them get away with it due to diplomatic immunity or simply fleeing back home once they realize that they will get caught. Of course not all are like this. They are indeed a minority, but a very significant one. There is at least one person here who is a laowai that I think is alright and hates these violent misogynistic inhumans more than I do. He is very consistent which is something I respect, so it is not a racialist thing.

            The reality is that judging potential rape victims by what they wear is incredibly stupid when there are much bigger and more obvious factors involved. Like I said, this knowledge comes with experience, often heart wrenching ones. Spend a minute with some of the victims or hear about the cases where victims don’t live to tell the tale, and you just feel like killing all the motherfuckers involved. Especially when you realize how much better people the victims are than the ones who commit the act. Losers and rapists always justify their disgusting deeds by blaming it on the victims. I remember a speech from a Mid Eastern man justifying the rapes of western women because of what they wore likening them to uncovered meat… but the reality is that is just one big excuse. British expats in Thailand and Singapore very often say the same rubbish when a local was molested by their own. Yes, I did jump the gun on that one, but yeah, experience makes one edgy. There are 2 suicide cases in my country linked to this victim shaming crap.

            What? What “truth” did she speak that the teacher angry about Teacher’s Day gifts is relevant to?

            The truth that CS comments are very often misogynistic, 99% of the time. That whole London Bridge stuff was palpable. Yet I see stuff like this all the time in expat forums. Look at the disgusting commentary at the shanghaiist for reference:
            http://shanghaiist.com/2014/09/23/scantily-clad-women-chengdu-hold-signs-promoting-one-night-stands-maybe.php

            Why can’t these people be consistently decent for a change? Why are the expats in Japan seemingly so much more educated and civilized? You also don’t see the same bottom dwelling expats scavenging around in Europe that seem to be so common in China.

          • Zappa Frank

            if you wouldn’t so obsessed with ‘laowai’ my dear cinesino you may have read that same comment about showing meat and somehow partially justify the rape has been written also by Chinese that are not saints but as all the other humans when we talk about this topic..
            As usual, you take a topic and turn it in your personal war against foreigners even when they are not involved at all..

          • Kai

            So avoid jumping the gun by not reading people’s comments through a lens of preconceived prejudice.

            99% is a hyperbole. Yes, the whole London Bridge thing was a very “bro” moment by those involved. It’s what often happens in a male-dominant forum.

            They can’t be consistently decent for a change perhaps for the same reasons you can’t.

          • whuddyasack

            Yes, I admit that was an error in judgment but it is very difficult to identify tongue in cheek comments with the typical drivel you see so often here. Very often, offensive comments are often used under the guise of “satire”. The humor in such satire is often forced, rallied by like-minded individuals who insist that it is funny almost fundamentally. Disagreeing with them gets you ravaged by the angry mob.

            It’s what often happens in a male-dominant forum.

            Correct. But you have to specify a certain type of male-dominant forum. I have never seen Asian American men crawl so low as to disgustingly reenact their “fantasies” like that and so often. As I recall the whole Suey Park debacle, it was these same people that were blasting death and rape threats at her for speaking her mind. But to call out on them and use the same terms they use would be “racist” but when they use it, it’s “retribution”. Some interesting data:
            http://www.americanbar.org/groups/domestic_violence/resources/statistics.html

          • Kai

            Yes, people make offensive remarks and then claim they were just joking. Yes, this community skews towards certain sentiments and biases given relative majorities and minorities. Yes, that results in bullying and being shouted down by such “majorities”. Yes, that is often objectively unfair and should be recognized.

            You should still double-check your reading comprehension and if you’re giving enough benefit of the doubt in your interpretations. To your credit, you’re admitting your errors in judgement and that’s commendable, relative to those who struggle with that.

            I’m surprised you’ve never seen “Asian-American men” talk about sex in public with each other. I have. I’m sad that you seem to be using this to insinuate that Asian-American men by virtue of their race or something somehow have more class or civility relative to other men. That undercurrent of you having a racist agenda is showing through again.

            You are only racist if you use racist terms and arguments. If they used racist terms, and you use the same terms as them, then you are being racist as well. It’s very simple. I’m not sure why you are some convoluted about this.

          • Escalante

            I don’t like this word “laowai”. It feels degrading. Also, I lived in Japan. The misogynistic men are just as disgusting.

          • whuddyasack

            Then I won’t use it. The thing is in most Japanese expat forums, I don’t see the same sort of behavior and mindsets as in the Chinese or Thai (even worse) forums. But most Japanese friends tell me the foreigners there can be just as undesirable and that the grass is not always greener on the other side. I honestly think they are targeted even more than most other Asian women, save SEA by a certain kind of misogynists. I think those stats are quite revealing in themselves.

            http://www.americanbar.org/groups/domestic_violence/resources/statistics.html

          • donscarletti

            “People who strongly suggest that what women wear sexually arouses others to rape are in fact the closet rapists themselves.”
            Well, if that’s what the rapists are thinking, society should probably take notice and react. Rapists probably know much more about this stuff than non-rapists after all.

            As for the fact that women in Middle and Near Eastern countries cover their whole bodies and get raped regardless, this gives even gives stronger credence to my original point. There must be a stand taken so women do not resort to such terrible and ineffective measures and it comes by standing behind the brave women who dare to stand firm against the perceived risks.

          • Satchan

            Um, I just want to point out first that the main reason women wear burqas is because of their faith in their religion not because they don’t want to be raped.
            Besides that point, what you wrote still does not justify why women who show more skin should be prioritised.
            Other than that, I agree with most of what you say.

          • Sean Van Cura

            We need to kill all the laowai before they rape everyone.

    • ptptp

      I agree… but this comment in response was good: “So you can commit a crime if you’re tempted? The bank has so much money but how come you don’t go rob it?!”

    • Guest

      MMMMmmmm Juicy Melons

    • iLcOrNaLiTo

      mmmmm juicy melons…

    • Disney English

      Is it mutilation and rape if you microwave a watermelon, cut a hole in it and then fuck the hole?

      • Amused

        Only if there’s no lube involved and you forget to kiss the watermelon and tell it how pretty it is after you’re done.

    • RagnarDanneskjold

      Dress and demeanor do attract attention though. You can leave your windows rolled down on your car and park it in a bad neighborhood, and no one has a right to steal your belongings inside, but if a thief is looking to rob some cars, he’s going to pick yours.

    • Stefan

      No the girls should blame themselves for dressing like that.

      • Kai

        The girls CAN blame themselves for how they dress IF they think it contributed to attracting a rapist, BUT no one else should be using how they dressed to justify someone else’s decision to commit rape.

        If I cannot justify punching you in the face because I think you look obnoxious, rapists cannot justify raping someone because they think someone was dressed too provocatively.

        People are responsible for their own actions. A girl can feel responsibility for how she dressed, what people she surrounded herself with, or where she walked, but none of that–in the slightest–absolves the rapist of their responsibility for their decisions and their actions. I can feel responsible to myself for putting myself in a bad position, but that doesn’t excuse–in any way–the people who victimized me.

        Do you understand this distinction?

        • Andrew Yee Hin Chan

          How are you a fucking mod? You’re a troll.

  • AbC

    I’m glad they didn’t release photos of the aftermath in this instance (at least not in this article). It’s horrendous enough reading it without the gruesome photos.

  • Jahar

    At least he’s not at large.

    • firebert5

      One down, several million to go…

  • SongYii

    A little help Chinese hotties. Apparently, this is how rape is perceived by Wuhan University police:

    http://www.thenanfang.com/blog/chinese-police-post-extraordinary-list-on-how-not-to-get-raped/

    • David

      WOW. Love number 9, so helpful.

      • SongYii

        pretty relevant to the story last week.

  • Amused

    Soon as possible, you got a time machine?

  • David

    Next time someone is raped, got a problem with that?

  • When I saw this story, I recalled a previous story with the quote “I saw her and wanted to rape her”
    WTF, Instead of something normal like…
    breaking the ice and Say hello, Ask her name, buy her a drink, etc

    • lacompacida

      That’s normal, in China.

      • Right, just Another example of cultural differences…
        that I will NEVER Understand

  • Amused

    Want to hear my arguments in favor of reinstituting crucifixion and impalement? I’ve got spreadsheets and flowcharts…

    • firebert5

      In red font I’m sure.

  • Rick in China

    The most shocking part of this story to me is: “he told his father what happened”

    What? The kid raped a girl, smashed her skull in, choked her with pants (and something about a stick?), then went home and said “Hey, Dad…I:” explaining what he had done? What the fuck. One thing that seems oddly common in China (or at least it seems to be reported as such) is that people commit crimes, then go to the police station and turn themselves in. I don’t really read about that happening in Canada. What compels people to do the most horrendous things, then turn themselves in? Expectation at some sort of reduction in punishment? This sort of crime should result in the heaviest sort of punishment regardless, and it’s just weird to me that when people are grisly enough to *do* this type of shit they also have enough conscience (or is it something else?) to turn themselves in. Strange…strange. Nothing can bring justice for this poor girl.

    • Probotector

      The incessant gnawing of guilt perhaps?

    • SongYii

      its not that weird… im pretty sure there was an episode of leave it to beaver, almost the same plot.

    • lacompacida

      He was making his daddy proud as he followed his foot steps closely.

    • lonetrey / Dan

      Indeed, the contradicting forces is rather interesting.

      Probably guilt though, in the end.

    • Disney English

      It’s highly unlikely that this guy made a plan to attack some girl and then hand himself in afterwards. More likely he acted on the spur of the moment, got carried away with himself, freaked out and then sought his father’s advice.

      Are you actually complaining about people handing themselves in for their crimes? Would you prefer it if all criminals simply ran away and compelled the police to spend time hunting them down?

      • Rick in China

        I suppose you’re demonstrating your lack of English reading comprehension again, ‘English. I did not imply that he made a plan to attack a girl, and hand himself in. I also did not complain about people handing themselves in for their crimes. There is a difference between expressing confusion or shock at the reasoning behind a set of actions, and complaining about an outcome. I give you a C in reading comprehension, but most definitely an A in building straw mans to fight against. Battle-on, educator!

    • whuddyasack

      It’s not all that shocking and has nothing to do with “expectations of a lighter sentence”. That sort of thinking is common in Canada and America where perpetrators are encouraged to make a confession in exchange for a lighter sentence. In China, the death penalty is meted unflinchingly. Criminals in Canada and Western countries in general get off really lightly. Too lightly. There tends to be a noxious habit of blaming the victims and protecting society’s thugs with the most ridiculous excuses. These include “I’m Black, racism made me do it”, “I drank alcohol before committing my ghastly deed”, “I was protecting myself against unarmed savages” and “she made threatening sexual advances”. You can thank human rights groups for all of this. Here’s an example, ex-convict released only to commit horrific murder later on.

      http://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/article/Man-charged-in-woman-s-knife-death-girl-s-injury-5772558.php

      So no, it is not unusual why criminals in China often turn themselves in. The reasons include a guilty conscience, the dread of eventually being caught and society’s stigmatization of violent criminals. I don’t think this is a negative, in fact I hope they bring back capital punishment in most western countries and stop glamorizing criminals. I’m sick and tired of hearing “their” stories, while their victims are forever silenced.

      • Rick in China

        “and has nothing to do with “expectations of a lighter sentence””? What? Based on what? You realise one major reason why China criminal courts have an insane guilty conviction rate is because people are essentially told *plead guilty* and *maybe* they’ll go easy on you, RIGHT? I have been through the criminal court system, I know this for a fact. I am guessing you’re just making shit up and talking out your ass about this part.

        I agree with many cases where overly “poor me” arguments are entertained and people get off lightly, though. It’s also a very difficult problem to solve, not *nearly* as easy as saying “just lock ’em all up”, not when you see a lot of later-found-innocent people whose lives have essentially been unjustifiably ass-fucked due to errors.

        • whuddyasack

          It isn’t. If you noticed anything, it was the father who encouraged his son to turn himself in. In Western countries, many would try their best to cover up the atrocities committed by their spawn.

          I have seen plenty of cases where the death penalty was carried out in China despite protests from rights groups so I know it is you that is full of shit. I base my comments on the fact that the punishment is still harsh for the average murderer regardless of whether they are “sentenced more lightly or not”. In 99% of cases, they are not. I also make my comments on the basis that murderers/rapists in Canada try their best grovelling and writhing around the system to avoid any semblance of punishment. Even when punishment is much lighter than in Asian countries. How else would you explain that sorry whigger American boy, his family and entire nation trying their utmost to convince the Singaporean government to spare the rod? There has not been a single case of vandalism since.

          Which leads to the second part of your ass-fisted comment. Most criminals in western society are cowardly, pampered whites and blacks who’ve never understood the meaning of discipline. Come down on them hard and they would cower like the American boy in Singapore.

          • Kai

            In Western countries, many would try their best to cover up the atrocities committed by their spawn.

            Factually true but such phenomenon is hardly unique much less limited to “Western countries”. Why specify “Western” countries when such family denial or defensiveness is so obviously universal? Have we forgotten Li Tianyi’s mother?

            See, this is the kind of petty remark that underpin people’s suspicions that you’re simply prejudiced.

            That and this:

            Most criminals in western society are cowardly, pampered whites and blacks who’ve never understood the meaning of discipline.

            Sigh.

            And when you’re “prejudiced”, you sabotage your own credibility.

            P.S. – I’m not going to comment on the rest of the particulars between you and Rick. I think you guys are basically being overly aggressive in your points refusing to reason with each other to agree on the truth in the middle.

          • whuddyasack

            Factually true but such phenomenon is hardly unique much less limited to “Western countries”. Why specify “Western” countries when such family denial or defensiveness is so obviously universal? Have we forgotten Li Tianyi’s mother?

            Because of how prevalent it is in Western countries. I did not forget Li Tianyi’s mother, which is why I did not speak in absolutes but you cannot deny that instances like that are rare and often committed by corrupt officials. When the crime is committed against minorities, or other races (in the case of Blacks) the denials and justifications become even louder. I believe I don’t have to give examples, they are already too numerous. In this case, the father convinced his son to turn himself in knowing full well the end result. However, in the West, it seems like there is a prevalent culture of victim blaming and denials from the accused’s family. It is the exact opposite of how things are like in China, these western murderers can basically get away with the most disgusting acts and get charged with an even lighter sentence than the ones they already have. This is what clannishness really is all about. My clan before others, my family before yours and while many here are quick to jump on the Chinese/Asians as a tribal lot, they are often the epitome of tribalism.

            And when you’re “prejudiced”, you sabotage your own credibility.

            It is not prejudice. It is a statistical fact that in Western countries, white and black savages commit more horrendous crime than Asians and other races. In America, whites commit more crime than Muslims… I read your argument with apothis, but if I may ask what is wrong with acknowledging this fact? In their native countries, this pattern is similarly consistent. I always get a good laugh out of one of these guys pretending to be “superior”. The ones who often spout this rubbish tend to be these hairy, dumb, naturally smelly beings that I wouldn’t want to be a associated with either. I’ve stated my rationale and know that if these criminals were publicly tortured and killed and anyone defending them faced similar charges, the rate of crime would drop for sure. Just like the American vandalism in Singapore case.

            BTW what’s with that brain damaged “POS” wesnigger707 coward bringing up the tribalists/racism nonsense? It’s very clear who those with archaic, primitive mindsets are. Non-Asians of course.

          • Kai

            Because of how prevalent it is in Western countries.

            Misleading vividness and confirmation bias, the same fallacies that underpin the unfair generalizations many cS commenters make about China and the Chinese.

            I did not forget Li Tianyi’s mother, which is why I did not speak in absolutes

            Unfair generalizations are often just as obnoxious as absolutes.

            but you cannot deny that instances like that are rare and often committed by corrupt officials.

            Yes, I can. I’m not sure what basis you have for arbitrarily characterizing family denial or defensiveness as “rare” in China.

            In this case, the father convinced his son to turn himself in knowing full well the end result. However, in the West, it seems like there is a prevalent culture of victim blaming and denials from the accused’s family.

            What basis do you have for framing this father’s actions as the “prevalent culture” of China versus that of “the West”? There’s plenty of victim blaming and denials from the family of the accused in China as well.

            It is the exact opposite of how things are like in China,

            The exact opposite? In what way? I don’t see it so far.

            This is what clannishness really is all about. My clan before others, my family before yours and while many here are quick to jump on the Chinese/Asians as a tribal lot, they are often the epitome of tribalism.

            This is your problem. Everything you are saying is motivated with the goal of “proving” non-Chinese/Asians to be as clannish/tribal or more so than Chinese/Asians. This agenda is causing you to argue for stark contrasts where there aren’t any. You are too motivated to make one group of people look one way while another group of people another way.

            The fact is, both groups of people look remarkably similar. Stop trying to elevate one as superior over the other. It’s the same shit “many here” do when they are “quick to jump on the Chinese/Asians”.

            You are doing the same dumbass shit they do.

            It is not prejudice. It is a statistical fact that in Western countries, white and black savages commit more horrendous crime than Asians and other races.

            Nonchalantly throwing out “white and black savages commit more horrendous crime than Asians and other races” is prejudice. Just as it would be if you threw out “Asian savages commit more horrendous crimes than whites and other races”.

            I read your argument with apothis, but if I may ask what is wrong with acknowledging this fact?

            I don’t know what argument with apothis you are referring to. The problem with “acknowledging this fact” is that you’re trying to use statistics to make a racist argument.

            I always get a good laugh out of one of these guys pretending to be “superior”. The ones who often spout this rubbish tend to be these hairy, dumb, naturally smelly beings that I wouldn’t want to be a associated with either.

            This is about on par with some commenters on here who respond to Chinese netizens saying things they find objectionable by characterizing them as pasty, greasy, lanky, pencil-dicked “beings” they wouldn’t want to be associated with either.

            You behave just like the people you hate.

            BTW what’s with that brain damaged “POS” wesnigger707 coward bringing up the tribalists/racism nonsense? It’s very clear who those with archaic, primitive mindsets are. Non-Asians of course.

            As obviously bigoted as wes07 is, you randomly inserting “nigger” into his name demonstrates your own archaic, primitive mindset. Are you really sure you want to arbitrarily sling racist terms in your comments on cS? We ban people for that sort of obvious trolling.

          • whuddyasack

            Kai, why don’t you open up the articles and their comments section every time a crime and rape is involved in the western press. Like I said, it gets even more noticeable when the victim belongs to a minority race. It becomes so predictable and I always see the same “crap”, always blaming the victim and defending the perpetrator. You really think it is confirmation bias? I don’t think so. What do you think of the Ferguson case? What do you think of Renisha McBride? You think it’s not a problem in the West? I beg to differ. In many ways, it is MUCH worse than in China because here no one wants to admit there is a problem. They’re so eager to obfuscate.
            http://windsorindependent.com/slut-shaming-victim-blaming-rape-culture-todays-world/
            Trust me, I have a lot of unwanted experience with that article above.

            For goodness sake, I had to personally prevent some old creep of an “academic” for fondling his Japanese students while the “white” onlookers did nothing. That’s why I hate old English teaching predators. I later learned from others that shit like that is common, and those who try to report it are often ignored. I particularly dislike some aspects (read members) of the community here and I suggest you read the British man raping girl or the Indian raping a Chinese girl in Hong Kong the community’s overall tone to see how I see it. It’s sheer tribalism and sexism on their part, remember the article where a woman was beaten to death in McDonald’s. The tone is noticeably different depending on the circumstances and who the perpetrators are.

            The fact is, both groups of people look remarkably similar.

            Stop trying to join the PC crowd. Do you ever realize that on this site at least, most of these people are NOT your friends? All they really do is take advantage of naive Asian Americans clamoring for equality while never treating you as an equal. I’m not trying to espouse superiority. I’m just telling you that people are using the stupid notion of “equality” while ripping you off.

            Nonchalantly throwing out “white and black savages commit more horrendous crime than Asians and other races” is prejudice. Just as it would be if you threw out “Asian savages commit more horrendous crimes
            than whites and other races”.

            But they do. When statistics in the west prove this, there are no more excuses to hide behind. The difference between me and them is my generalizations can be backed up with evidence. Their’s is only to save their useless egos. What really gets to me is that Asians and Native Americans are the most likely targets for violence and uniquely, the perpetrators are often outside groups usually white and black. And I recently find that attacks against Asians are under-reported in Western countries so who exactly are the hypocrites and cowards? When Asians are the ones doing the maiming and killing at that level, I’ll be the first to condemn that. But you and I know it’s never going to happen. The Brits make such a big deal over Bo Xilai’s murder trial, but we’re not entitled to create a stir over the thousands more Asians killed by non-Asians?

            As obviously bigoted as wes07 is, you randomly inserting “nigger” into his name demonstrates your own archaic, primitive mindset.

            It’s not trolling. That’s what I really think of that POS loser. Strangely, I see words like chongrel, chimate, chinaman, etc. used all the time in similar instances but why is “nigger” any worse than those? For the record, I’ve seen non-Chinese throw the N-Word too but their not banned? Perhaps if there weren’t so many objectionable posts and people here, I wouldn’t feel the need to type such “extremities”.

            My “bigotry” and “prejudice” don’t just happen. It does not come from a need to feel “superior”, it isn’t even because I hate non-Asians. Quite the opposite, it’s because I love my own race when no one else would, not even many other Asians. If people like me don’t speak up for them, who would?

          • Kai

            You really think it is confirmation bias?

            Yes.

            In many ways, it is MUCH worse than in China because here no one wants to admit there is a problem. They’re so eager to obfuscate.

            The same criticisms are said of China.

            For goodness sake, I had to personally prevent some old creep of an “academic” for fondling his Japanese students while the “white” onlookers did nothing.

            The people you rail against also cite anecdotes of misleading vividness about Chinese people.

            Stop trying to join the PC crowd.

            I’m not trying to join. If there’s a “crowd”, I’d rather be closer to that crowd than the crowd you’re part of or represent.

            Do you ever realize that on this site at least, most of these people are NOT your friends? All they really do is take advantage of naive Asian Americans clamoring for equality while never treating you as an equal. I’m not trying to espouse superiority. I’m just telling you that people are using the stupid notion of “equality” while ripping you off.

            Sure, I can see that, but it doesn’t prompt me to lower myself to their level. You’ve lost by lowering yourself to their level.

            The difference between me and them is my generalizations can be backed up with evidence.

            No, because your evidence doesn’t take into account environmental and confounding factors (or statistical issues), just like their “evidence” often doesn’t either. Both of you use “evidence” to justify prejudiced and racist arguments. You and them are not very different at all.

            The Brits make such a big deal over Bo Xilai’s murder trial, but we’re not entitled to create a stir over the thousands more Asians killed by non-Asians?

            Who says you aren’t? If the stir you create is stupid, it’s stupid, but that doesn’t mean you aren’t entitled to create a stir.

            It’s not trolling.

            Yes, it is. You know exactly how inflammatory that word is and you insist on using it because you want to provoke emotional responses. That’s the definition of trolling. If you keep it up, I will ban you.

            Strangely, I see words like chongrel, chimate, chinaman, etc. used all the time in similar instances but why is “nigger” any worse than those?

            And those people get banned as well.

            For the record, I’ve seen non-Chinese throw the N-Word too but their not banned?

            You know nothing, Jon Snow.

            Perhaps if there weren’t so many objectionable posts and people here, I wouldn’t feel the need to type such “extremities”.

            Take responsibility for your own behavior. The people you criticize also blame the target of their ire as causing them to say the things they say. They blame China, the Chinese, and chinaSMACK for making them say racist dumbass shit. No, you are responsible for your own words and behavior.

            My “bigotry” and “prejudice” don’t just happen. It does not come from a need to feel “superior”, it isn’t even because I hate non-Asians. Quite the opposite, it’s because I love my own race when no one else would, not even many other Asians. If people like me don’t speak up for them, who would?

            Being an idiot is not a great way of demonstrating your love for your own race. You are not speaking up for your own race, you are embarrassing your own race by showing that you cannot rise above and be better than others.

          • whuddyasack

            The same criticisms are said of China.

            Those that make the criticisms are the very ones that like to pretend their shit don’t stink. I actually don’t pretend that China is some utopia, I very clearly understand it is not. How accurate do you think their criticisms really are when we have written evidence contrary to what they are saying? Outside of the extremely bitter group and the ignorant, most people know that China is safer than most western countries any day. It’s not racism when it is true and in fact, denying that foreign countries are more dangerous than China has caused a lot of unnecessary deaths. You can’t walk alone at night in London or Paris without getting mugged. Detroit, St.Louis and L.A. are even bigger hotbeds of violent crime.

            Who says you aren’t? If the stir you create is stupid, it’s stupid, but that doesn’t mean you aren’t entitled to create a stir.

            But we get labelled as tribalists by those that are truly racially driven for protesting against things that are truly worth protesting. If Chinese people harp on and on about all the unfortunate, unjustified deaths some Chinese students met while abroad, you can be sure these people would be jumping up and down fuming and going on the defensive. Do you remember all the negative comments about ALL the families of the MH370 and how people were quick to bash every Chinese because of this?

            Sure, I can see that, but it doesn’t prompt me to lower myself to their level. You’ve lost by lowering yourself to their level.

            Why must it always be us that have to “elevate” ourselves only to be put down by others? It’s the equivalent of letting others slap us but repeatedly offering to be slapped some more. To stop bullies, you need to stand up to them. Not meekly, assertively.

            You are not speaking up for your own race, you are embarrassing your own race by showing that you cannot rise above and be better than others.

            Put it this way. I’m being the idiot and taking all the hits so that others don’t have to. I’m calling out the tribalists for who they really are. I’m setting some facts straight and disproving some myths. I’m taking a stand so that others can stand behind me. I’m teaching others to brush aside insults directed at them and turn it into jokes. And that’s just online. Together with my friends, we’ve set up and organized community events, offered homestays free of charge, provided language advice, were logistically responsible for setting up cultural clubs, helped with legal problems, provided counselling, provided nursing care and there’s even professional services set up exclusively for Asian students from all countries and immigrants. I’ve also been a very active volunteer for indigenous Canadians and physically helped out in charity organizations supporting Burmese refugees and orphans in Indo/China. I’ve been a donor for disasters in Japan, China and the Philippines among others. I’m not old, but I feel that I’ve punched way above my weight in the cogs of life. So tell me, do you really think I don’t love my race? Don’t you think that after all that, I have the right to say something? I’m not lowering myself down to their level. I am merely putting them in their place.

            I think the intentions of CS has always been pure, and you people have very similar values to me. We just have different opinions. You know that article deciding whether racism should be banned here? I felt very sad reading it and knowing the feelings of many of the staff here. There are rare moments when you’ve admitted your feelings as well. Many friends and former members told me how they felt about the comments here. I linked this site so most people on my mailing list could get a good idea what it is like here. Some responses you could say were like mine or worse, no like laowai haha. But I was surprised others were genuinely saddened despite their resolutions that it was just the internet. Sure, people can laugh about “hurting the feelings of Chinese people” all they want, but those are real people that got hurt. Besides, many among that group weren’t even ethnically Chinese.

            I don’t see you as people with a MOD attached to your profile name. I see you as real individuals. And that is why I decided to drop by. While I was gone I can see that the filth has accumulated.

          • Kai

            Those that make the criticisms are the very ones that like to pretend their shit don’t stink.

            Sure, and that’s irrelevant to the fact that criticisms about people not wanting to admit there’s a problem and being eager to obfuscate are also made about China.

            It’s not racism when it is true

            The people you hate and criticize use the same argument.

            You can’t walk alone at night in London or Paris without getting mugged. Detroit, St.Louis and L.A. are even bigger hotbeds of violent crime.

            Yes you can and people do it all the time. If you want to say a lot of people feel its safer to walk alone in a Chinese city than in certain other cities, that’s fine, but you’re using such an anecdote to make an unfairly hyperbolic argument.

            But we get labelled as tribalists by those that are truly racially driven for protesting against things that are truly worth protesting…

            Hypocrisy should be decried. That’s why I’m decrying yours.

            Why must it always be us that have to “elevate” ourselves only to be put down by others?

            Because that’s what makes us better.

            It’s the equivalent of letting others slap us but repeatedly offering to be slapped some more.

            Refusing to lower oneself to another’s level in not equivalent to “offering to be slapped some more”. It’s counting on the people who matter appreciating your ability to be the bigger man.

            To stop bullies, you need to stand up to them. Not meekly, assertively.

            Standing up to people assertively does not mean becoming a bully in return. Standing up to someone bullying you means defending yourself, not bullying them in return.

            I’m being the idiot and taking all the hits so that others don’t have to.

            Wow, you think of yourself as a self-sacrificing martyr now? You’re being an asshole so others don’t have to? You sure it isn’t because you enjoy being an asshole out of pettiness?

            I’m calling out the tribalists for who they really are. I’m setting some facts straight and disproving some myths. I’m taking a stand so that others can stand behind me. I’m teaching others to brush aside insults directed at them and turn it into jokes.

            No, you’re not. You’ve explicitly said multiple times you think you’re teaching others how to fight back, fire with fire.

            Together with my friends, we’ve set up and organized community events, offered homestays free of charge, […] I’m not old, but I feel that I’ve punched way above my weight in the cogs of life.

            All of that is commendable but it doesn’t offset your idiocy when you’re being an idiot, your racism when you’re being a racist.

            So tell me, do you really think I don’t love my race?

            I never said you don’t love your race. I said “Being an idiot is not a great way of demonstrating your love for your own race.”

            Don’t you think that after all that, I have the right to say something?

            No, all the good in the world you’ve done doesn’t entitle you to say idiotic things. What kind of rationale is that? “I’ve done so much good that I should be entitled to say dumbass shit when I want”? Huh? The dumbassery of your dumbass remarks doesn’t get lowered to “acceptable” just because you’ve organized homestays for people.

            I’m not lowering myself down to their level. I am merely putting them in their place.

            You’re trying to put them in their place by lowering yourself to using the same tactics and arguments they use.

            While I was gone I can see that the filth has accumulated.

            It amuses me that you somehow think your presence discourages “filth”, as if your presence here is for our benefit. When I say you are like the people you criticize, that means you are often “filth” as well. Just because you have a different target for your filth doesn’t mean you aren’t contributing filth to cS. Your racism and bigotry annoys me as much as the racism and bigotry of others. Your bad arguments and petty prejudices annoy me as much as the bad arguments and petty prejudices of others.

          • Rick in China

            “I am merely putting them in their place.”

            This is awesome. You truly think you’re putting “us” (me?) in our place? With what, some anecdotes about how terrible the west is on a thread discussing the atrocities in the mainland? If you love the mainland so much, I wonder why you choose to live abroad..from all of your nonsense anecdotes I gather it’s to protect the people, to guard the Asian women from all of the terrible hairy apes who fondle them out of place, are you the vigilante justice all Asians need to thank for saving all of their hides when the tribal white/black man acts deplorable? Everything you claim is wrong with the ‘tribalists’, is displayed clearly by you in *your own comments*, about *yourself*. You constantly claim to be such a valiant defender, yet do so with such obligatory racism and disgusting hatred that nothing you say or claim to be doing that is good seems real at all. You’re the epitome of bringing yourself down to someone else’s level – however, in almost every case, it’s a fictitious non-asian character’s level situated somewhere in your stories…not an actual person, and that’s not even the saddest part of your stories (aka diatribes).

          • Zappa Frank

            it’s amusing that while he claims whites are “tribalists” he acts like the most tribalist… don’t miss the stories where he arrives (in a batman suit I guess) to help young Asians girls from the hairy apes that are harassing them… another pearl was when he linked stories of how half-Asians hate themselves because are mixed

          • whuddyasack

            No, not you Gricky. I mean, you’re Ricky McSourgrapes. If I really had a problem with you, why the heck did I defend you months back by telling Kai you and Probopass aren’t racist? I just think you’re a moron with a bad habit of putting your foot in your mouth. No hard feelings, comic relief man. It was game over the moment you posted this rubbish comment: http://www.chinasmack.com/2014/stories/grisly-rape-and-murder-of-young-chinese-girl-in-shanxi.html#comment-1601836271

            Who cares about what “you” believe as fact or fiction. I’m telling my personal experiences to people who matter, not you. So remind me where exactly have I displayed “hatred”? Being disgusted at non-Asian behavior is not hatred. And yeah, I defend all Asians not just with posts (as if they are not cyberbullied) but also action. If you want to talk about specifics, I’ve helped out with support groups for disadvantaged Asian women, offered donations, given advise and volunteered in shelters (for all women, how racist huh?). And people who know me can confirm this. How could you understand or believe it though? You’ve never stood for anything in your pathetic life except whine about the very country you live in. Something I’ve never done. Many of my friends are “Native/Asian” Canadians.

            Now you’re trying to use the “go back to China” card, eh? Let’s put it this way. Logically speaking, it should be me telling you and all the other European/Black tribalists to get out of Canada. But oh wait, you’re in China haha. Now GTFO.

          • Rick in China

            “why the heck did I defend you months back”

            What? When did I ever need your ‘defending’? What a ridiculous notion. I suppose this is the same thing every incident you’ve spouted on about when you rant on in your stupid stories about how you’ve ‘defended’ all these women, I’m guessing, if the situations were real ones, they probably had the same response: who the fuck do you think you are, and why the fuck did you think I needed your ridiculous ass stepping in to defend me.

            “I’m telling my personal experiences to people who matter”

            Can you name some of these “people who matter”? As far as I can see, the only allies you have in your stupid hate filled diatribes remain nameless, ie. “7 guest votes” or whatever number of devices you manage to vote from.

            “And people who know me can confirm this.”

            I’m waiting for “them” to step up and confirm this. Otherwise, they’re as make-believe as the rest of your ‘people’ in all of your ‘stories’.

            “Logically speaking, it should be me telling you and all the other European/Black tribalists to get out of Canada”

            That’s evidence of your logic skills. ‘Nuff said.

          • whuddyasack

            Grick, let’s get this straight. When I say “defend”, I was telling Kai that I really had no issues with your non-existent “wacism”. What that means, bozo, is that I have no real problems with “you”, you stupid clown. “Online”, I’m defending the Chinese readers’ rights not to be constantly bullied and antagonized because they are Chinese. Offline, I’ve done more than my fair share and there’s no need to go over this again. Like I said, people who know me can attest to what I have done.

            If by “defend” you mean the one incident about the Japanese students(who are now friends), what makes you think it’s unreal? I could take you to the place and you can confirm for yourself how real that is.You want to know what a tall story looks like? This: http://www.koreabang.com/2014/stories/the-shameful-reality-of-tourism-in-korea.html#comment-1597415286, the old “my girlfriend is…” always used conveniently by hairy losers to “provoke” their opposition. Exaggerated heroism, or “racism” at the most convenient times is only a tactic of Caucasians (quite low of them might I add). Isn’t it, one who is an expert on Chinese laws but speaks only Canchinese?

            Can you name some of these “people who matter”?

            Mighty, Kai, Frank, Matt. And not because they are “allies” (I don’t need allies since a hundred of you twits combined are too incompetent to handle me). It’s because I want them to understand my experiences and POV and out of them, I consider Mighty a friend and at least respect the rest more than some bongo named Grick.

            I’m waiting for “them” to step up and confirm this. Otherwise, they’re as make-believe as the rest of your ‘people’ in all of your ‘stories’.

            You mean the people who I volunteer/work with? Or those in my mailing list? I’ve already sent relevant ones the link, and I will never expose those uninvolved to the loser-dom here. It is up to them really. So are they make-believe because they don’t post here, they don’t have disqus accounts or they have a life beyond proving anything to “Grick”?

            That’s evidence of your logic skills. ‘Nuff said

            No yours. If I applied the same racialist/ethnocentric logic you just did, then I would have told you to go back to Europe. But unlike you, I understand that most are “born” here and legitimate citizens which is why I never say go back to where you belong. Now for most in China, you are not citizens, you are not grateful, you are not contributing, you have a negative attitude. So seeing the “increasing” number of foreigners there every year, I’m wondering why are you still there? Is Greece so bad? It probably is. It produced you haha.

            That should settle any of your “misunderstandings”. So Grissy Grick, are you going to deny this as well?
            http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/new-details-revealed-audrie-pott-cyber-bullying-suicide-article-1.1459904
            http://glencanning.com/2013/08/the-rape-of-rehtaeh-parsons/
            Cause I still find the uphill battle the victims’ families faced outrageous. Don’t comment. Just GTFO my sight.

          • Rick in China

            I don’t even know what “Grick” is supposed to mean – but then again, I don’t understand half of the shit you say. I do understand the intentional racist tone and hate throughout any of your posts, and feel bad for any of the people you’ve listed – being associated with you in any way – and find it amusing that I’m now a “wop”. News to me.

          • perspicacity

            I know him personally and he is telling the truth. As disagreeable as some find him, no one can deny that he still has moral values. This is a rarity in an increasingly amoral world.

          • Zappa Frank

            the funny thing is that whites guys that write in the same way can be found only in stormfront.
            Congratulations, you are making your Asian stormfront and making this world a better racist place. cheers.

          • Kai

            Unfortunately, I’ve seen similar shit by white people on cS too many times, the same undercurrent of prejudice and the same bad arguments.

          • Zappa Frank

            do white people on CS write something about how they do want “protect” their “race”, choosing with care who help, who gives money to when they do charity, encouraging the race separation and so on..? sincerely I’ve never read anything like this on CS, but of course you’ve been here longer and you read here everyday, I may be wrong.

          • Kai

            Yes, we had some people who raged about multiculturalism in the West and how they believe segregation is necessary to protect their race, culture, and society. Some have argued for genetic superiority as well. Many have insinuated or explicitly blamed genetics and culture for the things they are critical of about China or Chinese people.

            I’m trying to remember some of their usernames. Off the top of my head, one used “Male Asian Insecurity” as their name for a time (he went by other names too).

          • Zappa Frank

            I’ve read people blame Chinese society and culture, but never read people say it’s genetic or claim to be genetically superior. I didn’t know there were this kind of people here on cs. Anyway, it is curios that one like whuddy with this kinds of claims like to preach and complain about whites that write on CS and 99% do write something by far less racist than what he writes.

          • Kai

            I’m not sure it is 99%. I think the majority of readers here are more sensitive to his anti-white and anti-black prejudice than they are sensitive to prejudice against the Chinese. I only partially agree that whuddyasack is more obvious, because I’ve honestly seen more than enough casual racism against the Chinese in my time on cS.

            To oversimplify, let’s say there’s one whuddyasack whose racism is at 90% obnoxiousness, but there are a lot of other people whose racism is around 30-70%.

            whuddasack is memorable because he comes back to cS with the same name, a bit of honesty that he should be given due credit for. The other racists who might be 80, 90, 100% racist keep changing their names or are so trollish in their racism that they get banned. But while it is important that whuddyasack is 90%, I think it’s also important that there are so many people around 30-70%.

            Just minutes ago, we had a new guest commenter who posted this. It’s not as obviously offensive as whuddyasack’s “niggers” and “hairy white savages”, so it isn’t a 90%. What is it then? How offensive and racist is it to declare that a country and its people can “never” improve themselves? 20%? 40%? 60%?

            Or an hour ago, this comment, where someone says they’re prejudiced but at least they’re not as bad as Chinese people are, kinda like whuddyasack saying he’s bad but not as bad as black and white people are. How offensive is this? 30%? 50%? 70%?

            I’m not even bringing up all the troll comments that spam “chink”. Let’s use a lighter one, the ones that troll with “chinaman”, like this one, made by someone who knows “chinaman” is offensive but did it intentionally to annoy people, just like how whuddyasack inserted “nigger” just to annoy wes07.

            One thing that whuddyasack is not wrong about is that the commenting community on cS is skewed towards foreign white Westerners who are a lot more sensitive about Chinese prejudices and casual racism than they are about their own prejudices and casual racism against the Chinese.

            whuddyasack is one of the more hardcore, obvious “Chinese/Asian” racists. There have been “white” racists who are just as hardcore as he is over the years, but what’s more disturbing to me is the prevalence and popularity of less hardcore, casual racism and prejudice that is a reliably posted on cS.

            So I don’t think 99% of the white people are “far less” racist than he is. Don’t misunderstand, I think a majority of white people on cS are “less” racist than he is, but there are too many to say 99% are “far” less.

            We can’t judge the readers who never comment, though we should be thankful that if they do have prejudices, they aren’t bothering to share them with everyone.

            We can only judge the commenting community then. Of the commenting community, I want to say the majority are people who don’t say anything offensive or prejudiced or have only ocassionally in a moment of weakness revealed a bit of prejudice. This means these people usually control their impulses and watch their words. That’s good. That’s pretty much how society should operate, with people being careful and considerate with what they say in public.

            However, there is a sizeable and vocal minority who may not be as obviously racist as whuddyasack is but do reliably express questionable, objectionable, and arguably prejudiced remarks, which they often justify with cherry-picked examples and evidence or personal anecdotes of misleading vividness (just like whuddyasack does). Because there are enough people who share their sentiments, their remarks often go uncontested or are even happily upvoted. They become an echo chamber for themselves.

            The dominance of those who sympathize with anti-Chinese casual racism in the cS community means casual racism against the Chinese is often overlooked. Because people who are sympathic with whuddyasack’s position do not dominate cS, whuddyasack gets more criticism. He is a minority critical of the majority’s prejudices, so it is easy for him to be shouted down.

            Imagine a single white guy among a bunch of Chinese people who are happily expressing casual racism against white people. Objectively, racism is racism, but subjectively, the majority will overpower the single white guy. Whuddyasack is like that single white guy in a room of Chinese people who are happily expressing casual racism against white people. But instead of criticizing the racism, that white guy (and whuddyasack) vomits anti-Chinese racism (anti-white/black racism) to fight back against the room of Chinese (white) people.

            Are you following my analogy?

            I’m trying to explain how group dynamics and prevailing sentiments dictate what is accepted and what is marginalized in a public forum. I’m trying to explain how whuddyasack is bad, but that doesn’t mean everyone else is not bad or even “far less” bad. Just because one person’s prejudices are unwelcome by the majority doesn’t mean the majority doesn’t have their own prejudices that are still, objectively, prejudices that are offensive.

  • firebert5

    Seeing the call for “Death by a thousand cuts” to be brought back answered my question about whether these criminal acts are becoming more prevalent or if we are just being better informed about them. It must be the latter. Despicable acts are nothing new in China even if the details of the act itself seems somewhat unique.

  • Sum Ting Wong

    Right. Using capital punishment is the most brutal thing in the modern age but murderers and rapists can now go on doing their things knowing that there won’t be death waiting for them if they get caught. What a relief.

  • Apothis

    The violence is so uncharacteristic of the Chinese….I just don’t get it.

    • Alex

      lol

      • Apothis

        Alex, do you have something intelligent to say?

        • Rick in China

          I think he read your comment as sarcastic humour. Did you mean it seriously?

          • Apothis

            Of course I meant it seriously. If you want to see real violence come to Chicago or Detroit where you don’t dare walk down certain streets if you are not black. I have always admired the Chinese demeanor of not being prone to violence….but maybe that is changing.

          • Alex Dương

            The Chinese are human like everyone else.

          • Rick in China

            Alex hit it in his comment. There is violence in China like anywhere – perhaps your isolated little bubble life has given you some other perspective. How much time, may I ask, have you spent walking around Little Village or anywhere in Detroit? How many bars in China have you hung out in where everything is peaceful, and security guards just hang out because there isn’t rowdy explosions of violence?

            What the fuck world do you live in?

          • Apothis

            Boy are you out in left field you dumb shit. First of all where do you get off assuming you know what my life is or has been. You don’t know anything. It is common knowledge that Asians, particularly the Chinese are less prone to violence than most westerners and especially African Americans.
            Furthermore, the Chinese have a much more no nonsense
            legal system that puts criminals in prison or execution almost immediately, something the west could do a much better job of. And I have spent considerable time in China in Guangzhou, Shanghai, Wuhan, Nanning and yes in bars where I felt safer than most bars in the US.
            Six years ago I and a buddy were mugged walking downtown in Chicago and my buddy was hit across the face with a pistol when he didn’t take out his wallet fast enough. They were three black guys who were never caught. Oh, and Mr. Dickhead, I grew up in North Minneapolis where the black community and violence went hand-in-hand.
            The point I was trying to make was the unusual cruelty of these recent incidents (shoving a stick down a throat of a woman you just raped is not normal violent behavior in any community) and that it would seem to be unusual in China.
            I live in the same world you do but if you want to disagree with my points that is your right, but if you want to trade insults based on your ignorance, give it your best shot….or maybe you already have. Oh, and one other thing Dickhead, Alex didn’t hit anything as lol is not a comment of any intelligence. And the most shocking thing about this incident is what he did, not that he told his Father. My God, where are YOUR priorities?

          • Kai

            What you’re trying to say is that Chinese/Asian society generally seems to have less incidents of this sort of gruesome criminal violence than other societies. It’d be similar to what many expats have said about how the cities in China generally feel safer than many other cities elsewhere, like New York or Detroit or whatever.

            The problem is, how true is it? How true is it for chinaSMACK readers who probably see a lot more China-related violence and violent crime because those are the news and stories that tend to become popular online for how shocking and atypical they are?

            Even if you had data that was statistically-rigorous demonstrating that there are more violent crime per capita among, say, African-Americans than mainland Chinese, you’re not going to come out smelling like roses overpraising the Chinese at the expense of African-Americans. You’re going to come out looking like you’re trying to establish that one race/ethnicity is superior to another. That never goes over well. Even the suspicion of doing that never goes over well.

            Chinese are human and what is characteristic about them is their humanity, which includes the human potential for gruesome acts of violence. To a lot of the commenters on cS, your initial comment basically said Chinese people aren’t violent, when they have countless examples on cS and perhaps in their life experiences in China that prove otherwise, whether it be abusive parents, pushing and shoving between elderly and young people on buses, or news reports of horrific crimes.

            Your expression of disbelief in response to a single news report of a terrible crime makes these people think you have too high of an opinion of the Chinese, and your subsequent defense of your disbelief ends up making them think you have too low of an opinion of African-Americans. If you’re ethnic Chinese, you’ll come across as thinking too highly of your own and contemptuous of others, even racist.

            What you did is similar to someone saying something negative is uncharacteristic of, say, Europeans, and then following it up by pointing out how that negative thing is more characteristic of Asians.

          • SongYii

            Don’t argue with a mad man. He will drive you mad as well. :-I

    • Gordon Gogodancer

      joke?

      • whuddyasack

        It’s not a joke. Unlike most of his detractors, he at least provided the rationale behind his statements and could back it up. You on the other hand respond with trivial non-contributions such as “lol” and “joke” as if a certain group of people don’t commit violent crimes significantly more than others. Won’t bring up the races less you all assplode in anger, flapping your gums like you usually do haha.

  • CIA

    Was a rape and murder part of your plan?

  • lacompacida

    China, a peace loving nation, with orderly society, prosperous people, and loving and caring communities.

    • Rick in China

      “prosperous people” Indeed, if you ignore the 700 million migrant workers/families supported by migrant work. Then again, they are certainly prospering as well – as long as they get by sleeping in the shittiest cots in temporary aluminium housing eating rice porridge every day so they can support their families in farming territories. :D Prosperous as long as you ignore the majority…harmonious as long as you ignore reality.

      • takasar1

        sarcasm, imbecile…

        • SongYii

          He knows that, imbecile.

          • takasar1

            that’s the whole point, imbecile

        • Rick in China

          Oh, really? I didn’t get that! Wow. Thanks for pointing that one out for me, because it sure wasn’t obvious to me! Wuhhhhhhhh…..

          • takasar1

            you’re welcome. you need to sharpen up btw

        • whuddyasack

          Whenever I drop by CSmack for a visit, Grisy Grick in China is always fighting with someone. What’s really amusing is that he is so unintelligent, incompetent and undignified that it makes for great entertainment. He thinks he is so intelligent, knowledgeable and experienced yet is constantly proven wrong. That’s my fellow unrefined, hoser of a “compatriot” from Canuckida for you, Gricky in Chine hahaha

          • Kai

            I wish both you and Rick would not indulge in this obnoxious and petty public shit-talking of other commenters. Disagree and criticize each other directly. Don’t snivel up to others to point and snicker.

  • Peter Pottinger

    This is what happens when your government pursues a policy of sexual ignorance

  • takasar1

    not too surprising. news all over the world has been pretty shitty within the past year

  • Satchan

    I’m certain that all criminals are thoroughly investigated before judgment is passed.

    • If I May

      Right… I forgot that this is China, a country that boasts one of the most advanced law and judicial systems in the world. Stupid me.

      • Paul Schoe

        ;-)

      • Satchan

        The article never said anything about executing Zhang straight away:
        “At present, criminal suspect Zhang X is being detained at the Pingyao County Detention Center, while the case is being processed.”
        Save your sarcasm.

        • If I May

          ** looking for spare change as they speak **

        • donscarletti

          You mentioning the name of the town gives me a thought.

          I visited Pingyao a while ago. If I remember correctly, in the
          governor’s palace (县衙) and the old pingyao county detention facility inside it, here is a large collection of instruments of torture. Everything from your standard spanking paddles and canes used for simple misdemeanors, to devices for breaking finger bones, a wooden donkey and guillotine blades specifically made to transect victims at the waist. There apparently originally also was a “water dungeon” which I neither know nor want to know what the hell that was.

          Maybe if found guilty, a re-enactment of one or more of these methods outside the city gate might be good for tourism.

          Anyway, the County Detention Center is no longer at this place, I think it moved to the new town in the 1980s and the prison I visited is now a museum (the torture facilities have not been used since the fall of Qing). Still, it’s a nice thought.

  • Rick in China

    Yawn. The only valid reason to be vehemently against capital punishment in all cases – is one very good one: because you may have the wrong guy. The question becomes are you willing to execute one fully innocent person, in order to also execute many guilty ones? That answer typically should be, no….no fucking way.

    However, as for brutality or whatever, the deterrent factor is absolutely valuable. If you know you’re going to get fucked hard, ripped apart, and put on display in your final moments – it may be a “Um…..ok, I’ll just jerk off in the bushes instead of raping a girl in a field” for these mentally fucked up wastes of skin.

    • SongYii

      I don’t think the death penalty is much a of deterrent to violent crime. People who smash other people’s heads in with bricks probably don’t care much if they live or die.

      The purpose of capital punishment is, or should be, to ensure that person is completely removed from the game of play, forever.

      • Rick in China

        In some cases that may be the case – but using somewhere like Singapore as an example, it can permeate society, and people look at even what the west may consider minor crime as a *fuck no, avoid that* — because there is pretty brutal consequences. Sure, there will be the odd psycho who cares nothing whether he/she lives or dies, but I think that the deterrence as evidenced in some societies (although it may also be characterised as obedience by fear) and shouldn’t be so easily dismissed because of the existence of a very small minority of people who simply don’t give a shit.

        I agree with the second paragraph.

        • SongYii

          removing them from planet earth is a good catch-all in any case! :-)

          • Rick in China

            Indeed..the only rub in the argument is when innocent people get removed instead..

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_execution

          • SongYii

            yeah, i get that. it is monumentally inexcusable, and its happened before. but if there is concrete, incontrovertible evidence, ie movie theater massacre in aurora, colorado, the death sentence is in order, even for mentally ill. our system is too well stocked.with slimy lawyers who spend their careers working to commute or shorten sentences to bust horrific murderers out of prison on legal technicalities.

          • Rick in China

            The problem with slimy lawyers is they work both sides — US legal system is wrought with prosecutors who trump the shit out of charges and use scare tactics not to seek justice, but to get the V for victory on their report cards.. trump up charges, threaten unless a deal is struck, then ‘settle’ for guilty pleas on lesser charges – whether the accused is guilty or not. When faced with the prospect of 10 years, it’s easy for people who can’t afford good legal council to be pressured into simply accepting 2 and having the rest dropped. Terrible system, filled with terrible people.

          • SongYii

            You mean its *not* like Law and Order? I thought lawyers were so noble. :-)

  • Raymond

    He killed the girl so that she cannot speak, yet he decides to tell his father and even ends up surrendering himself to the police. What was the point?

  • YourSupremeCommander

    She looks pretty hot.

  • Clive Rowland

    do we really need this news on here? I thought Chinasmack had a focus in the unusual as well as shocking news that is particularly unique to China. This sort of thing happens everywhere, every day. Almost the same story played out in my sleepy home town in England a few years ago, I wouldn’t expect it to be posted on Englandthud or whatever.

  • Sarah

    I was just in Taiyuan 2 months ago … scary stuff

  • David

    Yea, I have been to the parts of the wall far away from Beijing and you literally have to climb them like a vertical stone ladder, so I know what you mean. I REALLY wish I could understand this. Whenever I ask my female friends I can never get more than a “but we look good” sort of answer. As if that is answer enough and I am dumb for wanting something more.

  • Shadowblur

    ….In the West, we say …”Do as you do onto others.” In this case….”Done as you have done onto others.” Meaning, the way this person killed the girl is the way he should be executed, first the rock to the head, then the pants used to throttle, then the stick to the throat.

  • king_kong

    No idea what how this girl dress has any thing to do with the case..He would have gone and killed another girl in her place if she was not there. He was out to rape then murder “a girl” and it didn’t matter who. She just happened to be in the wrong place and the wrong time. I can not even imagine the pain she must have felt leading up to her death..have a brick smashed into your face and head..pure madness

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