Malaysia Confirms Flight MH370 “Ended” in The Indian Ocean

Malaysian leader says flight 370 ended in Indian Ocean

Malaysia’s prime minister told a news conference on Monday and confirmed that ‘beyond all reasonable doubt’ Flight MH370 crashed in the Indian Ocean and ‘none of those on board survived’. This extremely heartbreaking conclusion incited public sorrow, sympathy, as well as controversy, questions, and skepticism. This topic became the hottest one of the day on Sina Weibo, China’s leading microblogging platform. Below were some of the top and earliest online reports…

From Sina Weibo:

@央视新闻: #Malaysia Airlines Flight Crash# Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak Announces Malaysia Airlines MH370 Crashed into Southern Indian Ocean.

@人民日报: #Malaysia Airlines Flight Crash# Malaysia Officials Confirm Flight MH370 Crashed into Southern Indian Ocean lazu_org — Malaysia’s Prime Minister said, according to the latest analysis results, the flight [MH370] flew along the southern corridor and the last location was in southern Indian Ocean, southwest of Perth, Australia, far beyond the distance previously expected. “It is therefore with deep sadness and regret that we must inform you that, Flight MH370 has crashed into the southern Indian Ocean.” Let us observe a moment of silence!

Malaysian leader says flight 370 ended in Indian Ocean

@微天下: Malaysian Prime Minister: “MH370 Flight Ended in southern Indian Ocean” — Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak just announced: according to the data from British Air Accidents Investigation Branch, the route of MH370 was flying towards the South Indian Ocean and this route was far beyond its fuel reserves. “With deep sadness, I inform you that, MH370 ended in South Indian Ocean,” its position to the west of Perth, Australia. Video broadcast: http://t.cn/8FsbYIi (From Sina)

Malaysian leader says flight 370 ended in Indian Ocean

@人民日报: #Malaysia Airlines Flight Crash# Full Text of Statement By Malaysian Prime Minister Concerning MH370 Incident (Original English Text) — 1. Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 flew along the southern path; 2. Its last position was in the middle of the Indian Ocean, west of Perth, far from any landing sites; 3. This is in according to conclusions provided by the UK Air Accident Investigation Branch; 4. More details will be released at the press conference on the 25th.

The statement of Malaysian leader says flight 370 ended in Indian Ocean

@微天下 BBC: Malaysian Prime Minister Makes Announcement Based Solely On Tracking Data; Still No Debris Found at Present — “Flight MH370 ended in Southern Indian Ocean.” The UK’s BBC has reservations to this. They believe the announcement by the Malaysian PM seems to have been based solely on tracking data supplied by Inmarsat not on the debris found in the Indian ocean. (Sina)

BBC have reservations to the announcement

Comments from Sina Weibo:

劳阿毛:

Chinese people take a Malaysian plane, crash in Australia, and then it is the UK who crack the investigation, are we sure this is not an international joke?

天道酬勤1258:

Such a large plane flew to the southern Indian Ocean and unbelievably it was not noticed? Didn’t it pass through the airspace of all those countries? Come on, were their national defense/militaries that frightened? There couldn’t be other things they don’t want to tell people in this, could there?

张俊俊Tony:

“Ended” just means the [last known location]. Those media who translated it into “crash” are truly despicable. Solely using the analysis of another country to make a conclusion, and then not providing any sufficient factual evidence. Once again showing the people of the world that this is a completely unreliable country that handles things without logic.

ooO橘子酱Ooo:

This kind of incident that exceeds human commonsense cannot end in “inference”.

广州蛇仔明:

How are we able to accept this statement made by a government prime minister that has been so irresponsible with regards to this missing Malaysia Airlines flight incident? While the entire truth of the incident remains to this day a riddle, is it decent that they already want to hurriedly brush us Chinese people off like this? We need the truth of the incident, not just a statement!

航空管制锐RAY-ATC:

The word he used is “end” and not the commonly used “crash”.

EstateEcho:

Why use English??!! Is this showing respect to the families?!!

鹤翾VV:

Have the Malaysian government properly explain “using a type of analysis never before used in an investigation of this sort” and, unbelievably, it was “MH370 ended…”. Alright then, so where’s the plane wreckage? The black box?? Malaysian government, would it kill you to release the details today? Also please properly explain the so-called southern corridor. Are you teasing/stringing along everyone for fun?

小熊饼干Shawn:

After so many days, the odds of them returning alive is basically impossible. What we are more concerned about the series of unanswered questions like why the plane had deviated from its flight path, why it had disappeared from the first and second radar, and why flying skills were used to elude radar.

拂曉寧靜:

From the heart, I cannot accept this result! Unless they tell us the real reason and what’s going on behind the scenes! They searched for Air France flight 447 for a whole two years before officially announcing it was a crash! Produce the evidence.

SweetUmiko:

17 days, I would rather believe that you are on a long journey…

无忧-CHEN:

We can imagine just how helpless and desperate they must have been on the plane at that time. A moment of silence.

孙娜Amy:

Malaysia, You Owe the World a Truth! — Why did someone turn off the radar? Why did it crash in the southern Indian Ocean? Why do you want to wait until tomorrow to release the details of the incident? Why was the debris found by Vietnam immediately denied? And so long as no wreckage has been found, why do you dare declare that the plane has crashed with all passengers dead solely through British Inmarsat mathematical calculations? Just what exactly are you trying to conceal? Please give the world an explanation!

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  • mr.wiener

    This isn’t the end of it. The Chinese govt are pretty pissed [or acting pissed to play up for the home crowd] with the Malaysian govt.
    Now seen as the regional power china will want to throw its weight around.

    • Paul Ng

      I guess the Malaysian Government should start to consider US proposal to build a military base within the Malaysian Maritime Region as a deterrent.

  • The FRED FONG

    The sideshow circus wont end until all the Chinese get their $2 million for each family member…CASH MONEY BITCHES!

    • Jay K.

      I quote Ferengi Rules of Acquisition #6, “Never let family stand in the way of opportunity”

      • mr.wiener

        Ironic, as in Malaysia whites are the “Farang”. “Farang” and “Ferengi” all come from the locals trying to say “French”.

        • ScottLoar

          Ferenghi and variations is the common word for foreigner in many Southeast Asian countries (India, Sri Lanka as well) and seems to come from the Franks. If so that is one very interesting and ancient etymology.

          There may very well be other local words for foreigners or whites or non-natives, but ferengi does match those Europeans who came by sea and the word is even applied to place names, e.g. Batu Ferringhi or Foreigner’s Rock in Penang, Malaysia.

          • mr.wiener

            Thanks Scott for layin’ down the Loar.
            I remember it from hiking around in the wilds of Malaysia in the south of the Thai border 20 years ago. All the locals would come out and point and wave and say “Farang”.
            Silly thing to argue about, I made a dopey quip, but i wasn’t expecting the Spanish inquisition :)

          • ScottLoar

            The axiom is 當局者迷旁觀者清 (those in media res are confused, those on the sides observing are clear), proven again and again. I well know ferringhi, farang, and other variations whereas a local would not experience nor expect such. Look at the comments following this, especially “We Malaysians don’t use ‘Farang'” even as there is Batu Ferringhi in Penang, Malaysia. Despite the lack of common usage, these words do mean foreigner; yes, even in Malaysia.

      • bprichard

        You’re the best commenter. I love DS9 so much!

  • ThinkBlue

    The way Chinese people are responding to the outcome makes me feel that Chinese people are simply out of touch with reality. I’ve read about protests at the Malaysian embassy in Beijing, bused to and from, and been given tv shirts, by plain-clothes policemen. Why, China, why? Why are you being so bitchy? Welcome to the modern world, where tragedies happen and you can’t always blame a whole country, you have to learn to get along with them…

    And why, China, why would you think Malaysia would hide any important information about this? If they are hiding information about their radar and satellite tech, then wouldn’t any other country, including you, do the same? There has been more than enough searching for this plane. Did anyone really believe the plane and passengers were unharmed even after the first couple of days? They were looking for wreckage the whole time. There were Malaysians and people of other nationalities on that plane too. China, don’t make this all about you, you’re not the only one grieving. We’ll only find out what happened if they find the black box before it’s battery runs out and can no longer emit signals to be found, and that will happen in the next 12-15 days.

    • Markoff

      you must admit they were releasing constantly information which they were later denying wasting time and resources of many countries and making relatives crazy, appropriate answer from Chinese people would be boycott Malaysia, they would feel it for sure in their tourism to think twice about how should be lead investigation by competent people
      I am fan of Malaysia and I am recommending it to anyone who is considering neighboring land of fake smiles, but MY government/airlines seriously fucked up all this investigation and boycott by Chinese would be appropriate.

      • Zappa Frank

        I don’t think that was a malasya’s falut, but simply what happened is really confused and apparently is possible that no definitely explanation will ever be possible.. What Chinese family’s victims feel is understandable but not rational.. it is ok for them to not be rational in this moment, but cannot be the government or other people answer…

        • wnsk

          I don’t think the Chinese government is alone in thinking that the Malaysian government is inept at their handling of this? Going by what newspapers in the rest of the world are saying…

          • Zappa Frank

            come on, one thing is to be inept with communication and need help of other people for investigation (however I would like to know how many countries could have found the airplane by themselves), but to have a fantasy about what happened is another thing..

          • wnsk

            I do sympathse with Malaysia…but at the same time, I also feel there is much room for improvement in their crisis management capacity. And if other countries do not seem as committed to help them (e.g. Thailand withholding radar data because they weren’t specifically asked for it)…that still speaks of a failure of diplomacy and international relations on Malaysia’s part, in a way.

            Anyway, there are lessons here to be learned. and hopefully they have learned it.

          • Zappa Frank

            That’s a Thailand fault, they don’t know what pass on their heads.. I don’t think is just about Malaysia/Thailand relations, Thailand has the biggest population of Chinese outside china and if there was any room for hidden information probably China would have pushed also in that direction…. they would have helped if there was a chance I guess..
            I think as Kai said, there is no way Malaysia could have dealt with this situation without being criticized

          • wnsk

            Yes, but they could have gotten away with much less criticism than what they’ve got now. (For example, the confusing information released by their own military–that was completely avoidable/preventable. Also, did you read about how a medium came out to try and find the plane by magic? The government did not immediately condemn it–in fact, they subtly endorsed it…which invited a lot of unnecessary ridicule.)

          • edkay

            Agreed, they didn’t handle it well. It’ll be a nightmare too for any country. Typical human trait to blame and lynch. SEA are superstitious people with taboos. Still, modern airport security should have nabbed him.

          • Rick in China

            It’s a damned if you do/don’t situation. If they didn’t release any information the same “why are you covering it up” bullshit would happen, if they do release what they know or are investigating (NOT saying they know the scenario, just, this is what we are investigating thus far…which idiots read wrong as “this is what is fact”), then we end up where we are with “you liars providing misinformation then denying”.

            The problem is, no matter what they said, they end up being yelled at by irrational fools. Why is China the only place with these fools gathering in ‘protest’, threatening hunger strike (YAH RIGHT, like that would happen), etc… where’s the protests by all the other victim families/countries? Oh, none? The OZ family “just wants privacy”, for example. Why aren’t they protesting and faking all this bullshit nonsense infront of a camera? Because they aren’t expecting compensation and don’t need to drum up the drama to get it. Fucking peasants.

          • wnsk

            LOL. Why do I get the sense that you’re prejudiced?

            Anyway, I don’t think Malaysia Airlines should give them any money at all (nor should they be expected to.) Not even the $5000 they already gave out–that’s just admitting liability.

            About the victims’ families’ motives, it’s still too early to judge…doing so now is just being unsympathetic and cynical.

          • Zappa Frank

            only in china? I don’t think.. it’s human nature.. Maybe OZ family is better, but I can assure that the very same thing could happen everywhere, at least in Italy for sure.. and more people are involved and more likely this kind of reaction comes out… human are reasonable in small groups only.

          • Rick in China

            Right – I remember all the protests from Air France 447, yelling “Give Us Back Our Relatives” outside Air France or French Embassies. Oh, the memories…..

          • Zappa Frank

            Since the victims were mostly French why should they have protested outside the French embassy? however I do remember well enough protests for missing information. Sarkozy went personally the same day to the airport and he said the truth, that the chance of survivals were almost none, that’ also because the dynamic was really different, in that case appeared soon clear that the plane felt in the ocean, it took long to find it because the ocean is big, and took some time to interpreter the reason why it felt, but it was sure that it felt….On 1st june the plane disappeared and on the same day later the French government already communicated that it was likely felt in the ocean, on 6th june two dead bodies were already recovered.. On the opposite what happened with the Malaysian flight was extremely confused, they did not even know if to search north or south, than chiense hoped for long time that they relatives could be still alive
            I think you have a different prospective about this, in the first case you were not living nor in brazil nor in France, therefore you got news only by second hand, now you’re in china and you can see this directly..

          • Rick in China

            Nonsense. I don’t see ANYTHING directly – I get the news from the same sources regardless, because I’m not living near the embassy in Beijing or wherever Lido hotel… when you say “2 years” do you mean 2 hours? Can you show me some news covering the protests? All I see is news covering the protests now, and certainly in 3 years all these multitudes of articles showing gov’t-incited fools stamping their feet saying they will hunger protest and “wont be used as political tools” — which is ironic because they’re doing so while wearing protesting-clothes provided by the government, if you can show me similar situation from another country I would totally be on your side, until then – it’s just hearsay ‘defending’ people for being idiots.

          • Zappa Frank

            I’ve tried to explain you that the circumstance are different. Can you read one more time please?
            It did not take 2 years to confirm that the plane was felt, but few hours. 5 days after even 2 bodies were recovered.. there were NO DOUBTS about that.
            I do not justify the reaction of all chinese people, and I think this point is clear if you read any other post I wrote here, but just the reaction of victims’ families.. That this reaction has been used or whatever I don’t know, sincerely seems to me too.. but I’ve never said anything about this.

          • bujiebuke

            “Why is China the only place with these fools gathering in ‘protest’, threatening hunger strike (YAH RIGHT, like that would happen), etc… where’s the protests by all the other victim families/countries? Oh, none? The OZ family “just wants privacy”, for example.”

            Hey everyone, captain idiot’s back again to grace us with his brilliance. The above quote was from his little gem of writing that he shat out for the rest of us to read. He compares the stereotype of an entire country to a single family in some other country and vaguely eludes that Chinese are somehow worse people than some other ethnic groups. I wish there were more people like this jaw-flapping, beady-eyed maple head to entertain us.

          • Kai

            Aw, come on, dude, you were making good sense right until you decided to get contemptuous. I think the odds of hysterics would increase if the families of passengers from other countries had more fellow families all commiserating together, reinforcing each others grief, anger, and irrationality. If 152 passengers were from Australia, odds are you’d have exponentially magnified reactions from the Australian families, especially if they were kept together. Be fair, don’t pin this reaction as unique to Chinese people.

            EDIT: Damn, didn’t see @Zappa Frank’s reply.

          • Rick in China

            Maybe it’s not unique to Chinese people, I just have only witnessed it in this one instance, and it didn’t happen in other countries – therefor I can’t comment to the extent at which others take this very irrational approach in a similar circumstance (ie. any of the other planes that have gone missing for periods of time, or permanently, there have been hundreds fitting these two scenarios over the last half a century). I did, however, read that plain clothes policemen were handing out t-shirts and shit, and they were basically being incited to cause this shit by essentially public servants (what levels I don’t know), as it only gives political leverage to be the victims of countries you have other disputes with…

          • Kai

            Yeah, @disqus_8yO9dqEYxM:disqus pointed me to that news about plainclothes police below and I talked some shit about it.

          • Womanizer

            another typical i know everything guy. it’s only in CHINA . yeah that is totally true. how old are you? how do you for certain that its the plain cloth policeman and not a organzier for a protest. i don’t know how you are still be allowed with so many abusive comments and racism to my country and my people. PLEAS LEAVE IF YOU DON’T LIKE IT HERE. NOBODY IF FORCING YOU TO BEAR THESE SORT BULLSHIT.

          • bujiebuke

            why do you even bother reasoning with this northern idiot? This purveyor of logical fallacies clearly reserves his vitriol towards anything to do with Chinese proclivities. He was probably exiled from Canada long ago and the only person to accept him is the smiling man holding his beating stick sitting behind him.

          • Womanizer

            Please leave my motherland, you are not welcomed here. not only you don’t have compassion towards to the families you have stated that we all peasants and low class. why be in a country where ther are “fucking peasants” you are double standard asshole.

          • Zappa Frank

            but why a Chinese with a franco columbu picture? a bodybuilding fan?

          • Womanizer

            does that contract anything i said?

          • Zappa Frank

            no, it doesn’t have anything to do with your reply, it’s an OT.I was just amused. i would go so far to ask if you chosed Franco randomly or on pourpose. If you train and eventually even discussing work outs..

          • Womanizer

            just because i’m chinese i can’t do bodybuilding and i can’t like franco, frank zane and arnold schawnegger?

          • Zappa Frank

            of course you can.. everyone should train…(maybe not all necessary in bodybuilding..) it’s a passion for me too. Franco is even my countryman.. or rather was.

          • Womanizer

            yeah, franco is a beast. he is dr at america now. great guy, very handsome, good physique. great shape at his weight. good boxer. a guy that i want to become. i don’t like modern bodybuilders though, they are to bulky and chuncky. very unnature.

            hail all the great bodybuilders of 60s70s80s

          • Zappa Frank

            haha poor arnold.. to think that after the last mr.olympian he lost something like 20kgs in 2 years.. Anyway still better that the today’s freaks

          • Jahar

            Only people who agree with you and the government are allowed, right?

          • Womanizer

            so i guess it’s alright to genelize chinese are all low class pesant but somehow when i tell someone to leave my country it’s a sin? assuming your name is an indian or other middle eastrn country origin i guess you have no compassion?

          • Jahar

            Are you really assuming this is my name? Should I assume Womanizer is your name? No, I don’t think it’s right to generalize, but I also think there is room for differing opinions. As we are having right now? Or should I leave your motherland because I don’t agree with you?

          • Reptilian

            Bo Yang said it best: “死不认错”. “Fucking peasants” might’ve been harsh, but if someone Chinese had said 低素质,you yellow monkeys would’ve approved. I understand and symphatize with the grief, but emotions are not an excuse for lack of decorum.

            If an AirChina plane had gone down with foreigners inside it, can those foreigners go to Beijing to demand an explanation from Xi Jinping? Can they accuse China of a coverup or conspiracy even without seeing any recovered material evidence?

            There is no other country in the world whose citizens are uniformly despised for lack of civility and social etiquette, so Rick wasn’t painting with a broad brush. Now go mind your manners, 吊丝

          • Insomnicide

            Like one Chinese netizen said, this whole thing has become an international joke.

          • wnsk

            A Chinese, an Australian, and an Englishman walk into a Malaysian bar. The Chinese orders a drink. The bartender pours the drink but it’s somehow spilled. The Chinese says, “What’s up with that?” The bartender says, “I don’t know what happened.” The Englishman says, “I do. Obviously the drink is spilled, and I further deduce that it’s spilled on the Australian.” The Australian has no comment.

            Guy called Rick (with a slogan on his shirt that says “I’m in Peasant-land”) waltzes in, says, “Whatever the Chinaman says, ignore it. It’s just a ploy to get money. Somebody should hang a sign outside the bar saying, ‘No fucking peasants.'”

            Ha, ha, ha (?)

          • Insomnicide

            A Chinese, an Australian, and an Englishman walk into a Malaysian bar.

            “OW!” Cried all three in unison.

          • wnsk

            …The bartender tosses 20 ringgit to the Chinaman, and asks the Australian and Englishman, “What happened?”

            Now that’s what I call a joke.

          • Surfeit

            A Chinese, an Australian, and an Englishman walk into a Malaysian bar.

            The bar disappeared, and nobody can explain why.

          • Womanizer

            spot ib

          • Surfeit

            So is the bartender Malay?

          • wnsk

            Hmm, is this a trick question? I don’t know. Does it matter?

      • whuddyasack

        While it’s hard to deny that the Malaysian airlines did flop out, with faults on another plane headed for Incheon later I think they did whatever they could although what it was left a lot to be desired. I’m not merely talking about China, there were a few countries that did complain early in the investigation. But the truth is the Chinese side didn’t do very good themselves, often keeping information to themselves when they should have been trying their best to work with the rest of the team.

        How the families have carried themselves has been very frustrating to say the least. That said, while I can’t say I completely understand what they are going through since it isn’t my relatives on the plane, I can say I can understand why they react the way they do. Rather than taking the easy root and blaming them for their volatile reactions, I’d say perhaps they are only a product of their education. Most from that generation probably were in fact under some form of repression so of course they’d react differently to the other passengers with the possible exception of the Russian one.

        MY government/airlines seriously fucked up all this
        investigation and boycott by Chinese would be appropriate.

        No, I don’t think it would be appropriate, since it is unreasonable to blame Malaysia and all Malaysians over this. But I do think it is a completely understandable response and it is not just the Chinese who are reluctant to fly on MAS.

    • chosan
      • Rick in China

        Malaysia rejoices?

    • Insomnicide

      People usually complain about how China doesn’t care about the lives of it’s citizens, especially Chinese citizens overseas. But now that they’re showing consideration, it’s out of touch with reality?

      The government does have a geopolitical motive for doing so, but regardless, if the something similar happened to American citizens on foreign soil i know for a fact there would be many angry American netizens calling for the country to be invaded or nuked even.

      • SimpsonsGoldenAge

        Their reactions above are just childish though aren’t they? Actually kind of pathetic really,

        • Insomnicide

          Overemotional and perhaps unrestrained. But childish is taking it a bit too far, they’ve got more at stake here than others. And it’s not helping that there’s a fog of mystery shrouding the whole event. People have a right to be angry when their family and friends goes missing unexplained. And this effect is amplified when this event has become an international incident due to the circumstances.

          • SimpsonsGoldenAge

            But it’s childish and naive to think you can lay the blame of a mystery plane disappearance at the feet of a government!

          • Insomnicide

            They want explanations. The Malaysian government is withholding information from the public.

          • Surfeit

            I concur.

          • ink cartridge

            They must have learned that strategy from China.

          • wnsk

            It’s not childish. It might seem irrational, but if you lost your family…on some level it’s understandable, and even acceptable to a degree, for you to think and behave irrationally in that case.

            People are looking for a target to blame, Malaysia (by its various blunders) just did more to offer itself up as one rather than avoid being one.

            (I personally feel that they’re over-estimating Malaysia. If this was the US, I’d be suspicious!)

      • Corflamum

        American citizens were on that plane. We do care, but we’re not convinced that the world is out to get us and that a protest will somehow bring the dead back to life.

        • Insomnicide

          Well there’s no evidence, no conclusive information and the Malaysian government knows more than it’s letting on. So the conspiracy theories won’t stop and people everywhere are demanding answers. Hell, I don’t have any family or friends on that plane but even I’m eager to find out what happened. And that’s why they’re protesting, whether that method is effective….time will tell.

          • Reptilian

            Calm down, fairy. How do YOU know the Malaysian gov’t knows more than it’s letting on? As long as the plane itself/black box hasn’t been found, no one can claim anything with authority.

    • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

      I remember when this all started and Malaysian folk blamed Chinese for this.

      Still trying to wrap my head around that, so I won’t even bother with this stuff.

    • Eileithyia

      China’s Chinese want to know the truth and care about lives. lol
      Why do they tell their own govn’t to tell them the truth first.

    • takasar1

      People have a right to know. Besides, it’s not like the entire investigation has been entirely open or timely

      • Ian Lee

        fuck you, it is not easy to find a plane in the middle of one of the most remote location in the world.. you sir, has loss of touch of reality…

      • Jahar

        What’s the logic in “they have a right to know?” I might argue, no one outside of the people the investigating are working for have a right to the information gathered by the investigation.

      • Reptilian

        How do YOU know the entire investigation has not been entirely open and transparent? Try finding a plane in 4.5 million sq.m of open water, with a storm brewing in some pockets, and tell me how any nation can conduct itself without bearing criticism?

    • JankyFosci

      “And why, China, why would you think Malaysia would hide any important information about this?”

      What’s funny is that the Malaysian government just admitted they’re concealing sealed evidence from the public about this. Shows how wrong you and other CS’ers are. Not only that, they’ve rejected assistance from the Australians previously and cited their own police agencies had the evidence and weren’t able to hand it over to them. Now… why would the Chinese be mad that the Malaysians are witholding information and refusing help from third parties and thus reducing the chance of rescue or a full investigation to what happened? Gee whiz. Some of you are unbelievable.

    • Reptilian

      Exactly. It’s about having no refinement at all. 低素质 as they call it. The passengers’ kin even have the gall to fly to KL to demand an audience with PM Najib Razak and Defense Min. Hussein. If an AirChina flight went down with foreigners inside, can those foreigners’ families go to Beijing and demand an explanation from Xi Jinping?

      It’s either an accident or an act of terrorism, either way, you can’t fault an entire country for it. Even Zhang Ziyi has taken to Weibo to boycott Malaysia. Chinese people seem content on scapegoating Malaysia for “hiding information” and engaging in a “conspiracy.” Conspiracy to do what? Kill their own tourism industry by crashing a plane full of foreigners? China really is a parveneau country that thinks wealth can buy it class and respect. Grow up, you lame f(u)cktards~!

  • xiaode

    I am waiting for them to ask for compensation… How long it will take them?
    Starting with 1 week – each family at least 1 Mio RMB …
    Who offers more / less?

  • commander

    Heart breaking announcement for families whose loved ones have been missing along with the plane.

    The Malaysian government should have the obligation to offer detailed explanation on what happened inside the plane, and why the plane changed the course suddenly.

    But the Malaysian government appears to be hard to offer any credible account of why the plane crashed.

    Many Chinese are left in unspeakable sorrow even without the possibility of recovering dead bodies of missing familiy members.

    • Nemo

      have you ever heard of blackbox? all the questions can only be answered if they found it.

      • narsfweasels

        “Many Chinese are left in unspeakable sorrow even without the possibility of recovering dead bodies of missing familiy members”

        One wonders – do you feel equal sympathy for the mothers of children shot in the back as they ran away from the PLA in 1989? Have you also demanded an explanation from the CCP for this? There is still a lot of “unspeakable sorrow” after that particular event.

        • Kai

          Too soon. I think you’re being too motivated to prove a point with this. It’s like asking someone who expresses sympathy for Americans who just learned their son died in Afghanistan if they feel equal sympathy for the dead Afghan children.

          • narsfweasels

            I disagree with you – you feel sympathy for all wrongs done to your fellow countrymen -whoever did them- or you have no right to feel any of them.

          • Kai

            Right, and you questioning if commander does at this point in time is poor form, especially when you have no idea if these people are commander’s “countrymen”.

          • narsfweasels

            I don’t really care about your opinion, sorry.

          • whuddyasack

            Too soon. I think you’re being too motivated to prove a point with this.
            It’s like asking someone who expresses sympathy for Americans who just
            learned their son died in Afghanistan if they feel equal sympathy for
            the dead Afghan children.

            There’s too much politicking over a tragedy here. I remembered the Texas explosion and Boston bombing articles and how the same crowd literally went ballistic over what a “few” (by few we mean one or two Chinese comments) said about the victim.

            Only now, they’re actively using this as some bashing stick on the Chinese. And only because the victims were “Chinese”. Had the majority of the dead been anyone else, especially their own, they’d be up in arms over it. I can only think of one word to describe them. It begins with H and ends with e.

            And commander is Korean, not Chinese so narfweasels overeagerness to lay blame on any Chinese target would be hilarious if it wasn’t so pathetic.

        • Insomnicide

          “One wonders – do you feel equal sympathy for the mothers of children shot in the back as they ran away from the PLA in 1989?”

          Do YOU? Sounds like you feel no sympathy either and are just making a joke of the event to mock Chinese people.

        • whuddyasack

          It’s funny how you question commander over this. Why should he demand an explanation from the CCP when he isn’t Chinese? I’m sure he feels or would feel equal sympathy for the victims of 1989 assuming it happened now like the MH370. BTW, Commander is Korean and the fact that he can sympathize with the families as opposed to … says all that’s needed to be said about “sympathy”.

          do you feel equal sympathy for the mothers of children shot in the back
          as they ran away from the PLA in 1989? Have you also demanded an
          explanation from the CCP for this?

          @zappa_frank:disqus And here you go. “Sins of the father”, just how you wanted it.

          • narsfweasels

            You seem to know an awful lot about Commander, who apparently can’t speak for himself. He believes the Chinese people are owed an explanation for this event – so why not the other? If he loves the Chinese people so much as a “Korean” then he should attach equal priority.

          • whuddyasack

            I’ve read his posts on other sites and he is Korean. Perhaps next time, you’d check to make sure your target was actually Chinese before regurgitating tired arguments. As for your question, there’s a million ways to answer it and not one has anything to do with him having preferences. Learn to read and comprehend please. Here’s his first sentence:

            Heart breaking announcement for families whose loved ones have been missing along with the plane.

          • Probotector

            …and here’s his last sentence:

            “Many Chinese are left in unspeakable sorrow even without the possibility of recovering dead bodies of missing familiy (sic) members.”

            What about the non-Chinese passengers? Now narsfweasels comment was irrelevant, and I’m not taking sides, just pointing out what else commander said, since you are demanding that one “learn to read and comprehend please”. Maybe you should do the same.

          • whuddyasack

            Well… are you a teacher? In no way does his last sentence confirm that he felt no sympathy for the other families. He was merely explaining the situation of the Chinese families and why they were acting the way they were. This is especially clear if you did read the preceding sentence:

            But the Malaysian government appears to be hard to offer any credible account of why the plane crashed.

            P.S. he was giving an explanation, not a defense.

          • Probotector

            Am I a teacher? What relevance does that have?

            The point is, his point was mostly impartial up until he mentioned Chinese families, out of the blue for some reason. That might make people think he was taking sides.

      • commander

        Retrieving the black box in the vast expanse of the Indian Ocean is a probably a long shot to the regret of many people.

    • xiaode

      I really would like to know how the hell the Malaysian government should know what happened on that plane? Is there anybody who can explain this to me…? I really don´t get it…

      • Kai

        The expectations on the Malaysian government are understandably unfair. Frankly, there’s almost no way they can handle this to the satisfaction of everyone. If they hold out making announcements until they know everything, they’ll be slammed for being slow or not providing updates. If they communicate what they’re thinking and surmising, they’ll be slammed for possibly being wrong. It’s hard to blame the families for their grief-stricken unreasonableness, but it’s also hard not to be annoyed by it as outsiders.

        • xiaode

          yes, agree!
          But I still think that the M.Gov couldn´t know a damn thing what happened on that plane… or where it went down.
          That would require that the pilots of that plane have been sending them a message where they crash that plane, then swich off communications / turned that plane around to fly in another direction… and committing suicide…
          That all makes no sense at all!
          And after that crazy action the Malaysian Gov. and the military (all together) should helped to cover that up…?
          …???

          • Guest

            If the Malaysian government wants to cover it up, it can.
            Anything is possible in Malaysia.
            The murderers in a murder case related to one of the Malaysian PM’s aides were set free in an impossible way.
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Shaariibuugiin_Altantuyaa
            So many more cases in the country in the past being silenced after awhile. The difference is, this time the missing plane involved so many lives from other countries.

          • Zappa Frank

            the difference is that this is not happened in Malaysia and that other countries are searching too.. I think is impossible Malaysia can cover anything in this case..

          • Kai

            Yeah, the whole “cover-up” conspiracy is pretty stupid given the involvement of so many players.

          • xiaode

            what should they cover up?
            1) an accident on board which caused the plane went down…
            or 2) the possible termination of (a group of) people? Then wouldn´t a bomb which cause the explosion in sight of witnesses more efficient? And more save? It´s still possible to survive a plane crash…

          • Guest

            I don’t know. Maybe the fact that the authorities were slow in disseminating the flight data and the speed they handle the crisis cause people to raise suspicion.

          • lacompacida

            So the Malaysians call Obama with a threat that US will be nuked if US release anything Malaysians don’t like, and put troop ready to invade Vietnam in case the find something ?

          • vincent_t

            I am not denying that Malaysian government is at fault here. The mismanagement and the contradicting info given exposed their incompetency. But taking advantage to the max on the families’ grief and instigate for political agenda are simply aweful. Look at how the Chinese media or China authorities to keep poisoning their people with anger towards the whole Malaysia, it is exactly what they did back when they have conflict with japan. And what did the government did to help the confused and depressed enough families?

          • Kai

            Is it really accurate to say the Chinese media and government authorities are instigating? What political agenda does the Chinese media and government have against Malaysia? I get the feeling this is more ignorance on the part of the families and masses, not so much state-sanctioned flame-fanning. I could be wrong, because the government could be argued to have done similar things before, but do you have any links to reports about the government instigating and for what purpose?

          • vincent_t

            I think it is a little of both, the ignorance of the masses, and the Chinese media/government itself.

            I remember seeing quite some talk show on Chinese TV talking invalidated hearsay things that eventually all finger points to Malaysia (with generalize blaming) then everyone ends the talk happily. The epic 1 (sadly, i dun hv link) was that CCTV broadcast a “news” that some family members who ought to fly to KL, were sent by Malaysian Airline to India mistakenly. The news was denied by the airline with an official statement but no clarification from CCTV afterwards on the false news,

            Unfortunately I don’t keep any link, but check out the columns of Chinese news, I am sure you will see some that direct the anger to Malaysia with a very seditious way.

            Also, refer to the WaPo portion, that pretty much sum up my idea of why the Chinese government doing it. :http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/25/china-protest-mh370_n_5027105.html#403_wapo-china-wary-relatives-anger-will-rebound

          • Kai

            Thanks for the link!

            Although the crowd included many relatives, several people appeared to be Chinese government agents in plain clothes whose mission seemed to be not only to guide the protest but also to keep it under control. Some relatives said they thought authorities were giving them a way to release their anger for fear that it could turn back on the Chinese
            government.

            So far, it sounds more like the government not wanting the anger to be directed at them than them wanting anger to be directed at Malaysia. Let me clarify: they aren’t making angry people who weren’t angry before; they’re instead accepting that people are angry and are trying to make sure it only gets vented at Malaysia and not themselves. So they’re hoping the anger will run its course if its allowed to vent, and if they don’t let the angry people vent at something, the anger will turn on them for not allowing the anger to vent. Kinda like getting punched for trying to hold back an angry person from hurting someone else.

            Leading up to the Beijing protest, some of the plainclothesmen corralled the protesters onto buses, provided them with well-printed placards and T-shirts bearing slogans related to the plane, and lectured them on how to protest in an orderly fashion.

            Many in the crowd, however, rejected the coaching, letting their most visceral emotions flow and accusing Malaysia’s leaders of lying.

            Mobs, hate them. LoL, I like the phrase “how to protest in an orderly fashion”.

            I think it would be unfair to accuse the government of instigating these protests rather than merely trying to control what they think can’t be avoided or could only be avoided with more unfair cost to themselves. In a way, they’re kinda throwing Malaysia under the bus, but it’s not like there was no anger at all and they created it. That would reflect much more poorly on the government. It’s one thing to dig a ditch so a fire only burns one direction, and another to be actually fanning the flames. I don’t think the plainclothes government agents here are fanning the flames.

            In recent days, government officials living at a fancier hotel next to where the passengers’ families are gathered at the Lido hotel could be overheard discussing how to deal with the relatives’ emotional volatility.

            LoL, “living at a fancier hotel”, that’s gonna be a PR fail for the Chinese government.

            The relatives were given matching T-shirts that read “Pray for MH370” and signs saying “We await you at home with tears” and “Please come back.”

            Well at least the T-shirts were good, harmless messages instead of unfairly hateful messages. I’m almost impressed. We could even think the Chinese government is trying desperately to prevent the protesters from making fools of themselves and by extension all China/Chinese. Wow. They’re learning.

            “We don’t have any contradictions with the Chinese government, right?” he yelled into the loudspeaker, waiting for them to yell back, “Right!” “We don’t have any contradictions with the media, right?”

            Ugh, way to be too obvious about it.

            Still, I don’t think this is sinister. Yeah, we can question if the government would allow a protest if the target was themselves, but I think there’s still a difference between allowing and controlling a protest versus actually creating a protest. To the extent the protest against Malaysia could be worse and this controlled protest helps prevent a worse protest, I’d give the Chinese government some credit.

            As I said, I’m almost impressed. I’d be more impressed if they didn’t use plainclothes police and had the balls to try guiding the protest in their official capacity, to moderate with them as authorities instead of plants (even if it was obvious to the protesters themselves), to say something like: “we understand you’re angry with the Malaysian government, we understand you may have legitimate reasons, and we’re going to allow you to express yourselves to Malaysian authorities as long we can keep it reasonable. Here’s some t-shirts and protest signs.”

            EDIT: Almost forgot, with regards to Chinese media. I haven’t seen any TV media like what you’ve described. The freshest in my mind is coverage of the statement and all they did was have an interpreter live translate the statement as it was given. I wouldn’t be surprised by stupidity and unfairness from ordinary talk shows but I’d be annoyed if the news was breaking objectivity by no longer reporting and instead manipulating sentiments. I dunno if the plane to India thing is that damning. News media around the world report information that later turns out to be untrue without subsequent retractions and acknowledgement of their mistaken reporting. I’m not so miffed by that. I’d only be miffed if they continue reporting it as fact pretending it wasn’t debunked.

            I was just told Tencent/QQ published an article condemning the Malaysian government in its own name. While it isn’t necessarily wrong for companies to have positions on things (Chick-fil-a), it does somewhat irk me. I’m still more depressed by some of the bullshit some netizens are buying into and propagating on the Chinese internet though. I mean, I shouldn’t be surprised but it’s still demoralizing.

          • lacompacida

            Buses provided to the family to protest ? Common language in accusation ?

          • lacompacida

            At the early stage of investigation, contradiction of possible scenarios is normal. Only made up lies are consistent at that stage. That’s how you can detect fraudulent statements from governments when the story is watertight at early stages, or they release only info that fits the scenario the want to be the conclusion.

      • lacompacida

        Malaysiancan make up some story, any story, to make Chinese feel at home.

    • FYIADragoon

      It took them 2 years to even locate the Air France plane, if my memory serves me correctly. Expecting anything sooner than that, isn’t likely. CCP is just using this incident to puff their chest a bit.

      • wnsk

        If memory serves me correctly, the black box was located after 2 years. Plane wreckage was spotted within 1 day. Within 2+ weeks of the search, they had recovered bodies.

        • FYIADragoon

          Then I stand corrected. The point being that the facts of this incident will not be revealed any sooner still holds.

          • wnsk

            Well, that depends on how soon (if ever) they find the black box, isn’t it? I think this is largely dependent on chance.

            Anyway, the crux of the matter is that the Chinese (citizens) suspect that Malaysia has information that it is withholding (or delaying the release of) for political reasons.

            To be fair, Malaysia’s handling of the case is not above suspicion. What with all the previous misinformation and whatnot. And their use of a sorcerer to find the plane does not exactly inspire confidence.

          • vincent_t

            I think the use of a sorcerer pretty much explain how all the misinformation and whatnot come about, this government is simply screw up to the max

      • commander

        Spotting the crashed plane that may sink into the deep sea is a Herculean task by all measures.

        All the more so for the Malaysian government, which have to conduct search and rescue operation ina a remote sea.

        To forestall a similar recurrence, other countries should learn a lesson from this incident to reinforce the screening of passengers for a flight, tighten discipline for pilots and more importantly upgrade communication device fitted with plances not to be severed withouth authorization from air traffic controllers.

    • lacompacida

      Since you were on that plane when this happened, you better give an eye witness description of the whole event. Because of the location, you may have to wait for decades to get some solid info. A planeful of Americans is still in the bottom of a lake in US since 1962 without any solid info why it went down, nor the exact location of the plane. May be Malaysian just invent some stories to make Chinese feel at home.

    • whuddyasack

      A very good post. Thank you for your sympathetic tone and kindness. I don’t think the Malaysian government is responsible because they didn’t know this was going to happen and the IMO the Chinese have acted disappointingly.

      But your last line was beautiful and captured the essence of it. The Malaysian government has not had a break since the early half of the month and neither have the families.

  • Kai

    As much as I understand grief, the need to blame something, anything, generalizing blame, and how similar it all is to many people’s reactions after 9/11 or other cross-national incidents (ex. Neil Haywood), I really don’t like a lot of the sentiments a lot of Chinese people are expressing. It’s pretty fucking obnoxious from my perspective even as I sympathize with the roller-coaster of emotions and the twists and turns in the investigation. I know there are so many unanswered questions, especially in previous avenues of investigation so I know it’s frustrating, and I know people are irrational in such a situation, but it is still really obnoxious for me to behold.

    • Jay K.

      “obnoxious” wait are we describing the Chinese comments or one of your personality traits Kai? :-)

      But on a serious note I do agree with your general statement. Second, I have to say the M’sians really did a bad job in the logistics/handling of this incident. I don’t know if I consider M’sia a 1st tier country but it definitely is “top dawg” (besides Singapore) in the SE Asia area, so if just shows how unprepared that region is for anything major to happen.

      • Nemo

        Oh maybe you want to give us details on how would you handle this differently? Info graphic maybe? Its easier to just blame the other party without you yourself not knowing the proper way or solution

      • FYIADragoon

        You give SE Asia too much credit. Aside from Singapore, I wouldn’t give a passing score to any of the countries in SE Asia. There’s a reason we distinguish between SE Asia and the Asia that everyone wants to visit (China, Japan, Korea)

        • Zappa Frank

          are you sure? I think most people want to visit se Asian.. good sea, sun , cheap, and so on..

        • wnsk

          You give Singapore too much credit. :p

          • Misia

            This. Singapore gets a passing score and Laos doesn’t? Orwell called, he wants his doublespeak back.

        • ESL Ninja

          Ummm, surely Thailand is the biggest tourist hotspot in Asia… I would rather be there or Vietnam or the Philippines or Malaysia than in China, Japan or Korea.

        • Tourists in 2012:
          57.8 million China
          25.0 million Malaysia
          23.8 million Hong Kong
          22.3 million Thailand
          13.6 million Macau
          11.1 million South Korea
          _8.4 million Japan
          _8.0 million Indonesia
          _7.3 million Taiwan
          _6.8 million Vietnam
          _4.3 million Philippines
          _3.6 million Cambodia
          _0.6 million Myanmar
          _0.5 million Mongolia

          • wnsk

            Interesting. What this proves is that FYIADragoon isn’t wrong about China, not too far off about Japan and Korea…but completely off the mark about Singapore. LOL.

          • Sorry, 2012 data wasn’t available for Singapore, but in 2011 Singapore received a relatively hefty 10.4 million tourists, up from 9.2 million tourists in 2010.

            Here’s the full data set for East and Southeast Asia:

          • wnsk

            Hah. I think a significant number of those aren’t real tourists though. A number of them are probably just in Singapore to “stop over” en route to some other country, and a lot of them are in fact false tourists who come here to (illegally) work for a couple of days or weeks.

            In any case, it is my personal opinion that just about any other Southeast Asian country is a better place to visit (if you know exactly where to go in that particular country) than boring, old Singapore, ha.

        • hess

          “There’s a reason we distinguish between SE Asia and the Asia that everyone wants to visit (China, Japan, Korea)”. Or maybe because China, Japan and Korea are not a part of SE Asia?

      • Kai

        If it’s a personality trait of mine, I guess you’ve been rubbing off on me! ;)

        When the flight first went missing, I remember how the Malaysian Airlines CEO was quoted as having no idea (or was it “no clue”?) what happened in CNN reports, and how awful that could make the airline look. A lot of other reported quotes of Malaysian authorities also made them look really inept when you’d think they’d be more conscious of how everyone was looking to them as the ones who should be most prepared to have some answers. It got to a point where I was wondering if the CNN reporters were really unaware of how bad this was making the Malaysians look, when they may fairly have just been being honest and not being in 100% PR mode. I kinda felt bad for the Malaysians. Throughout though, I agree with you that there’s a lot about how they handled this that could have been better.

    • lacompacida

      When Xi tells you to be obnoxious, you become obnoxious, and act it out properly.

      • Kai

        Heh, except Xi isn’t telling anyone to be obnoxious here. Even the government plants at the consulate protest don’t seem to be telling people to be obnoxious and are instead trying to steer the protest away from irrational hate to more sympathetic expressions of grief.

    • Mighty曹

      As anticipated, there is now an article that the Chinese gov’t is feeding grieve over this incident to deflect domestic issues. Any thoughts on this?

      • Kai

        It’s not the same WaPo article vincent pointed me to yesterday somewhere else in in the comments here, is it? That article was about how the government is trying to control the protest to prevent it from overflowing into becoming anger against the Chinese government. I haven’t heard about the government using grief over this to deflect from domestic issues in general, especially when that accusation can be lobbed at anything where there are mainland Chinese upset about something involving the foreign. If it’s not the same WaPo story, hook me up with a link. I wanna read.

        • Mighty曹

          It’s a Bloomberg View article that I found to be quite prejudiced toward the Chinese gov’t, which I had expressed my disagreement with the author to some interesting responses from other commenters.
          http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-03-25/what-really-concerns-china-about-flight-370?cmpid=yhoo

          • Kai

            I agree with you and prefer WaPo article. Trying to tie this into some sort of geopolitical intrigue involving the South China Sea issue was the low-hanging fruit of angles tempting the Western media/commentators to pluck. I’m disappointed that this guy went for it.

            WaPo’s read of the protest was way more accurate than this intellectually lazy, reaching garbage, especially since WaPo’s reporting benefited from Chinese people (and the families) themselves thinking the same thing. A plane crash has little to do with claims over the SCS and thus would be a lousy “trump card” in SCS politicking. Foreign audiences wouldn’t understand how MH370 grievance has any relevance to SCS claims and the domestic audience never needed it to be supportive of Chinese claims to the area.

            This angle by Bloomberg is at best specious. Granted, it’s an editorial and not actual news-reporting so they’re allowed to share whatever cliche speculation they have.I just wish it wasn’t so lacking in insight.

          • Mighty曹

            Yes! I read that WaPo article and felt it was a fair view of what could and should be the natural reaction under the given situation and scenario.

  • Dax

    “There couldn’t be other things they don’t want to tell people in this, could there?”

    “…not providing any sufficient factual evidence. Once again showing the people of the world that this is a completely unreliable country that handles things without logic.”

    “…is it decent that they already want to hurriedly brush us Chinese people off like this? We need the truth of the incident, not just a statement!”

    “From the heart, I cannot accept this result! Unless they tell us the real reason and what’s going on behind the scenes!”

    “Just what exactly are you trying to conceal? Please give the world an explanation!”

    I’m sorry guys. If you have a problem with the lack of specific information provided by the Malaysian government, feel free to file a complaint with 有关部门.

  • FYIADragoon

    Boy, I’d like to know where this outrage was during incidents like the gas line explosion in Qingdao. Complaining about government coverups is a little hypocritical, when it comes from the Chinese.

    • Womanizer

      Just becuase you didn’t see does not mean that it didn’t happen.

    • lacompacida

      The Chinese government didn’t tell the people to get angry with the authority and organize ptotests, supplying buses, etc. after the Qingdao and Wenzhou events. Anything not ordered or permitted by the government will face crackdown.

    • Alex Dương

      http://www.chinasmack.com/2013/pictures/oil-pipeline-explosion-in-qingdao-chinese-netizen-reactions.html

      The consequence of sins! Stop spending all your time on drinking/dining, on corruption, and on your mistresses. Focus more on safety, staff safety education, and engineering safety checks. You people have made the country lose so many innocent lives, so much money. Aren’t you ashamed? Are you serving the people? You are simply serving yourselves! The moths of the country!

      Don’t be lazy.

  • filabusta

    “A completely unreliable country that handles things without logic.”

    Sounds familiar.

  • DD Bear

    haha, who cares!

  • mr.wiener

    Pretty sure the Malaysians do too mate, at least in the north. Not going to get into a fight about it though :)

    • ESL Ninja

      Indians call us something that sounds like Ferengi, apparently it means frog and was coined because of the way our tanks look(ed).

      source – some Indian guy I worked with

      • ScottLoar

        The word predates tanks despite the supposed authority of “some Indian guy I worked with”. Due diligence will prove so but that should be a simple move for a guy who styles himself a ninja of English as a Second Language.

  • mr.wiener

    Woooh, dial the hostility down dude.
    If winning a point of fact is that important to you, I’ll concede it.

  • Insomnicide

    I’m not saying it was aliens…but it was aliens.

    • wnsk

      Don’t be ridiculous. The plane obviously flew into a spontaneous rip in the space-time continuum.

      • Kai

        Since the reference was made in the previous two posts: Langoliers!

        • mr.wiener

          i’m going with the Steven King option too.

          • Irvin

            You’re all wrong, it was the island from lost that did it. Or maybe David Copperfield.

          • Zappa Frank

            Who’s ‘Steven’ King? the poor brother of the more famous Stephen? ..
            anyway it really looks like some of his novels where a demon or something take the control of some kind of ‘machine’

          • Irvin

            Never liked his books, too much stuff he pull off his ass without logic. But I guess that’s how horror works, magic and “just happens”.

          • Zappa Frank

            I think he does a good job, of course it starts with something that is not logic, for that kind of horror there is no way to be logic since demons and so on do not exist… but he can remain coherent and the effect works, especially describing people’s reaction that is not necessary only the fear, but also the deny… at least I did feel fear and inquietude reading some of his novels and I think he pictures the human nature….

          • Irvin

            Yeah I can understand the appeal but not my cup of tea personally. I’m more of a sci-fi guy, where things that happens in the story actually have a possibility of happening in real life.

          • mr.wiener

            Whoops, my bad. In Australia we’d just call him “Stevo” anyway.

        • Voice of China

          Kai, why don’t you ask Chinasmack to translate the article which discusses netizen’s suspicions that the pilot of the plane used the plane and its passengers as collateral to make a deal with the government, that the government refused and deliberately provide inconsistent information to delay the search effort so that the black box would not be found.

          • mr.wiener

            That is one of the best rumors I’ve heard to this date!
            Do you know where I can get tinfoil hats at discount prices?

          • Kai

            Do you have a link to it, especially one with a lot of comments and discussion? I’ll pass it along and see if any of the translators want to do it.

    • Mighty曹

      The Russians shot it down to deflect attention away from Crimea.

  • ScottLoar

    How do you explain Batu Ferringhi?

  • mr.wiener

    No worries mate, we’re good. It’s just that sometimes when we use the internet we can be a bit short with others [unintentionally], I’m guilty of it too.
    If you are talking to someone face to face it is different, if someone crashes a conversation with “you are wrong .get your facts straight’ it is bound to raise a few hackles. I often forget that in chat-room etiquette.

  • Irvin

    For fuck sake it’s just one plane! We got more people dying from flu everyday.

    • mr.wiener

      Yeh, but there is nothing mysterious about that.
      At the end of the day we are just monkeys with smart phones.

      • Irvin

        what are you talking about? Things disappear everyday, I know my muffins do in the office.

        • mr.wiener

          That’s no mystery either. It was the Muffin man.
          He give muffins to the good children and takes them off the bad.
          Next time spit on all your muffins.

          • Irvin

            LIES!!!!!!

            I’ve been a good boy.

      • Insomnicide

        I’m a special monkey though. My grandparents told me so.

        • mr.wiener
          • YourSupremeCommander

            “I’m not going to lick your butt though.”
            GREAT!!! You can then lick mine!

          • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

            Does a lego figure actually have a butt?

          • Insomnicide

            The thing between it’s legs.

          • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

            It’s not an actual butt.

          • wnsk

            Goddamnit that’s a troll link. I was just in the middle of eating something. Blech!

          • mr.wiener

            ” I was just in the middle of eating something.”
            So was he.

  • Womanizer

    wow

  • Marcus Black

    Did they died?

    • YourSupremeCommander

      I hoped they had not deaden.

    • They call me “Laowei”

      Malaysian Authorities have not decided yet.

  • chua

    So many theories. What is one more?
    Read it and decide for yourself….

    So many theories. What is one more?
    Read it and decide for yourself….
    Americans were withdrawing from Afghanistan. One of their command and control systems (used for controlling pilotless drones) was hijacked by the Talebans when the American transport convoy was moving down from one of the hill top bases.
    The Talebans ambushed the convoy and killed 2 American Seal personnel, seized the equipment/weapons, including the command and control system which weighed about 20 tons and packed into 6 crates. This happened about a month ago in Feb 2014
    What the Talebans want is money. They want to sell the system to the Russians or the Chinese.
    The Russians are too busy in Ukraine. The Chinese are hungry for the system’s technology.
    Just imagine if the Chinese master the technology behind the command and control system, All the American drones will become useless. So the Chinese sent 8 top defense scientists to check the system and agreed to pay millions for it. Sometime in early Mar 2014, the 8 scientists and the 6 crates made their way to Malaysia, thinking that it was the best covert way to avoid detection. The cargo was then kept in the Embassy under diplomatic protection. Meanwhile the Americans engaged the assistance of Israeli intelligence, and together they are determined to intercept and recapture the cargo.
    The Chinese calculated that it will be safe to transport it via civilian aircraft so as to avoid suspicion. After all the direct flight from KL to Beijing takes only 4 and half hours, and the Americans will not hijack or harm civilians. So MH370 is the perfect carrier.
    There are 5 American and Israeli agents onboard who are familiar with Boeing operation. The 2 “Iranians” with stolen passports could be among them.
    When MH370 was about to leave Malaysian air space and reporting to Vietnamese air control, one American AWAC jammed their signal, disabled the pilot control system and switched over to remote control mode. That was when the plane suddenly lost altitude momentarily.
    How the AWAC can do it ? Remember 911 incident ? After the 911 incident, all Boeing aircraft (and possibly all Airbus) are installed with remote control system to counter terrorist hijacking. Since then all the Boeings could be remote controlled by ground control tower. The same remote control system used to control the pilotless spy aircraft and drones.
    The 5 American/Israeli agents soon took over the plane, switched off the transponder and other communication system, changed course and flew westwards. They dared not fly east to Philippines or Guam because the whole South China Sea air space was covered by Chinese surveillance radar and satellite.
    The Malaysian, Thai and Indian military radars actually detected the unidentified aircraft but did not react professionally.
    The plane flew over North Sumatra, Anambas, South India and then landed at Maldives (some villagers saw the aircraft landing), refuelled and continued its flight to Garcia Deigo, the American AirBase in the middle of Indian Ocean. The cargo and the black box were removed. The passengers were silenced via natural means, lack of oxygen. They believe “dead men tell no tales.” MH370 with dead passengers were air borne again via remote control and crashed into South Indian Ocean, make it to believe that the plane eventually ran out of fuel and crashed, and blame the defiant captain and copilot.
    Americans have put up a good show. First diverting all the attention and search effort in the South China Sea while the plane made their way to Indian Ocean. Then they came out with some conflicting statement and evidence to confuse the world. Australia is the co-actor?
    The amount of effort put up by China, in terms of the number of search aircraft, ships and satellites, searching first the South China Sea, then the Malacca Straits and the Indian Ocean is unprecedented. This showed that the China is very concerned, not so much because of the many Chinese civilian passengers, but mainly the high value cargo and its 8 top defense scientists.
    Don’t believe the story? I don’t expect you to but let’s wait and see how the episode unveils itself. Or perhaps it will never be known until the next Snowden emerges. Truth will emerge – we have the patience of undertakers…….
    This is another theory……… By suspending his senior pilot for his comments on Facebook questioning Malaysian govt shows Tony Fernandez (AIRASIA boss) is not tired of living…..money buys silence….but for how long?
    This is another theory and not rumour mongering….

    I pray that the passengers are still alive. The suspense is killing and just sharing this theory with no ill intention…….

    • Apothis

      Silly rabbit tricks are for kids….

    • ScottLoar

      This tale is typical of what’s passing through the Chinese internet and WeChat, always a cabal of persons and governments and somehow involving the US. The only purpose in passing on such nonsense is to kill time.

      Listen, the pilot did it. The pilot commanded the airplane and ditched it in the South Indian Ocean. No link to governments, international espionage, or deep secrets, just one man and probably for reason solely related to his employ with Malaysian Airlines Systems. Analysis of plane crashes shows the pilot is the cause in 54% instances, and the trace of the plane’s movements and shutting off locators shows these as intentional, premeditated, purposeful. The plane is not some toy controlled like a drone by sinister forces.

      • chua

        Another theory?

        The question tormenting millions of cyber-sleuths is Why? What could be the motive behind the elaborate plan for the midair capture of Malaysian Airlines flight 370?

        Among the 200-plus passengers bound for Beijing, the target group for the hijack is narrowing down to 20 tech employees working for Freescale Semiconductors, based in Austin, Texas. Among these programmers and systems designers are 12 Malaysians and 8 citizens of mainland China.

        The company is no newcomer but has long-time connections in East Asia, as the former design subsidiary of Motorola, which once dominated the Asian communications market in the postwar era. Freescale has design centers in Kuala Lumpur and in China, including Beijing, Tianjin, Shanghai, Chengdu and Suzhou.

        Besides its lucrative production of microchips for automotive components, Freescale has extensive contracts with the U.S. military, producing wafers and circuits for navigation, periscopes, electronic targeting, self-guided missiles and other weapons systems that require intelligence controls.

        Any defense-related company at the nerve center of Pentagon hardware is bound to attract the attention of weapons designers from both adversarial and allied nations upgrading their military capability. Japan, France and the UK, along with Russia, China and Iran, all want the leading edge that contractors like Freescale provide.

        What technological innovation would prompt the Pentagon’s military intelligence agencies to electronically interdict a civilian airliner in mid-flight, while disposing of the collateral passengers as shark bait?

        Ultra-small Microcontoller

        In February 2013, Freescale unveiled the Kinesis KL02, the world’s smallest microcontroller, measuring 1.9 mm by 2mm and containing RAM, ROM and a clock. The company brags that the device is so small that it can be swallowed for medical uses, such as releasing drugs according to prescription schedule or directing micro-surgery.

        Tiny though it may be, the micro-controller is the key to next-generation warfare based on self-guidance, tactical versatility and hierarchy of commands, in short, an adaptive thinking weapon that can outsmart foes. Potential applications include:

        – Drones smaller than a fly, either as remotes or autonomously, on surveillance missions or to deliver biowarfare packets, for example, lab-cloned viruses or toxic drugs. Their light weight means longer flying periods or even indefinite hovering time if solar-powered.

        – Injectable implants to insert a human-machine interface, for example, a targeting system attached to the optic nerve, rendering Google glasses obsolete. Bionic implants could be implanted in nerves of the limbs to control battery-powered prosthetics, realizing the Pentagon’s dream of a human-centered robotic warrior, known to anime fans as “meka”.

        – Maneuverable micro-satellites and mini-submarines that can be operated as drones or act independently to track and hunt larger weapons systems, spy satellites too small to be detected by ground telescopes, and orbiting warheads containing chemical, biological or nuclear materials.

        Strategic Versus Commercial Interest

        Tje series code of Kinesis KL02 stands for Version 2 made in Kuala Lumpur, which is the capital of Malaysia. This core of America’s next-gen weapons systems was developed overseas, in a Muslim-preponderant country economically allied with China, Russia and Japan and often at odds with US foreign policy. Therefore, an upcoming round of testing in China, and possible manufacture of Version 3 in Beijing, was a prospect that the Pentagon agencies, especially the NSA, the US Air Force’s Space Command and DARPA, had to stop by any means available.

        As Freescale Malaysia prepared to test Kinesis at its sister research labs in Beijing and Tianjin, alarm bells were sounding at the DARPA-funded Charles Stark Draper Laboratory in n Cambridge, Massachusetts. That leading weapons-research facility was created during World War II to build navigation systems and bomb sights stabilized against turning and vibrations by inertia. It has since moved on to microchips for every military application, including inertial guidance for ballistic missiles, communications, GPS, intelligent targeting systems, orbital piloting for the International Space Station and, under the cover of “biomedical”, the transhuman super-soldier program.

        The release of Kinesis exposed the Pentagon’s dilemma over dual-use technology, which can garner vast profits through civilian applications, as shown by GPS for cars and smartphones, yet threaten to wipe out America’s technological lead in warfare. The choice of whether to down on a new technology is not limited to Pentagon insiders and generals, since defense contractors and elite corporate executives are also involved.

        Dirty Work for Israel

        In the case of Freescale, the executive management and several veteran board members are connected with the Carlyle Group, which favors civilian commercialization of defense-related technologies to benefit its investment partners, including George Bush Senior and several retired defense secretaries.

        On the other hand, Freescale is financially contolled by private-equity group Blackstone, with major investors including the Rothschild banking family and several of its business partners. As top financiers behind the Zionist movement, the pro-Israeli interest is to prevent miniaturized robotic weapons from falling into the hands of Iran and its allies Hezbollah and Hamas. Micro-vehicles, self-guided and with tactical flexibility, swarming against Israeli cities, ports and airfields would be a nightmare for the Israel Defense Force.

        Therefore, the defenders of the Jewish state had to take action. Better to kill 200 Malaysian enemies and Chinese nobodies than to harm one hair on the head of any of the Chosen People. And thus, the order came down from the Red Shield, the House of Rothschild, to their neocon subordinates inside the Pentagon: Stop Flight 370 at any cost to America’s reputation.

        The New Boss

        Thus, in November, just a few months before the MH370 hijack, Freescale seated a new member on its Board of Directors. Joanne Maguire is an executive with three decades of experience in the Lockheed Martin Space Division. She studied electrical engineering at University of Michigan and UCLA, where she earned her master’s degree. She was invited to the Harvard Program for Senior Executives in National and International Security. Caltech honored her with the Karmann Wings Award and she received the Peter Teets Award from the National Defense Industrial Association.

        As the very embodiment of the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), Maguire was the ideal choice to serve as watchdog against the corporate profiteers at Freescale.

        Hijacking the Truth

        There is no point in further disparagement of the pilot and co-pilot of the ill-fated flight, given their political connections with a compromised opposition beholden to the colonial past. The practicing with landing at Diego Garcia on the pilot’s flight simulator indicates a deep background with the Western intelligence services and probably Israeli espionage operating out of Singapore.

        Whatever the role of the plane crew, the NSA and US Air Force Space Command do not need manned piloting, except to maintain the appearance of normality at takeoff from Kuala Lumpur International Airport. As discussed in my earlier article, voice communication and navigational signals would have been disabled by a burst of powerful narrow-aperture radar used for electromagnetic warfare. The cockpit computer would then be reprogrammed, using Boeing’s own emergency piloting system, expanded with Pentagon and Israeli software.

        From the South China Sea to Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean, the jetliner would be remote-controlled by a drone operator. Its unscheduled flight path would be tracked and subsequently remoted from data records by the NSA listening posts in Sri Lanka and the Jindalee eavesdropping facility in northwest Australia. Radar stations in the Maldives, installed under a US maritime accord, served to guide the jetliner to the southernmost atoll of the archipelago toward Diego Garcia, immediately to the south.

        The airliner’s descent over the Maldives, according to witnesses, went smoothly, for a safe landing on the long tarmac at the US Air Force Base on Diego Garcia Island, a CIA rendition center with underground hangars and prison used during the Iraq and Afghan wars.

        Upon arrival, the passengers would be herded into separate waiting areas, with the prize captives from Freespace sent to a debriefing facility, where their hard drives, laptops and smartphones would be confiscated and data downloaded, while the human intelligence assets were being questioned. The interrogators had a fairly easy task in telling the defenseless programmers: Join us or die with the rest.

        The cooperative would be given a new identity, and reintroduction into civilian life in a remote North American community after being administered memory-erasing drugs, similar to the ones first developed in the MK-ULTRA program.

        After vetting of all passengers, the uncooperative and high-risk suspects would be drowned and their corpses tossed near a phony “crash site”, off the coast of Western Australia, while US submarines discharge other bits of “evidence” into the cold waters. The crew of the plane was probably rewarded with a short walk off the plank into the jaws of waiting sharks. Anyone who puts their trust in imperial power deserves no less.

        Once the operation is completed and the media begin the mourning rituals, tearful American diplomats will attend memorial services for the missing victims of a tragic accident. Meanwhile, a cabal of Air Force officers and defense contractors will be clinking beer mugs with their former boss and guru, General Michael Hayden, the bureaucrat who militarize spaced and expanded the NSA into the global monstrosity that it has since become.

        MH370 will be remembered on the History Channel as an unsolved riddle wrapped in mystery, but no TV station will mention the other code involved in this dreadful affair – KL02 – cause of the untimely deaths and mangled memories of any survivors.

        • ScottLoar

          You really have too much time to waste, idle hands, and a gullible mind to cut-and-past such a convoluted scenario rather than look to what is apparent and look to the simplest, probable explanation: The pilot did it.

          Drowning unwilling passengers and crew, and US submarine crews firing off evidence into the waters through torpedo tubes… but you really believe this? Your mind cannot accept the simplest most probable explanation but can pass through successive hoops of incredulity without a doubt, roping in several nations, companies, intelligence agencies, air and naval forces to concoct your outlandish theory. Say, maybe someone, somehow, moved the continent of Australia for the convenience of the plane crash, then moved Australia back in place again to cover the site. Who would’ve thought, eh?

          • whuddyasack
          • ScottLoar

            I wrote so in this forum on the second day the plane was missing; either the altimeter readings were wrong or the pilot alone crashed the plane. The subsequently revealed radar traces of the plane’s movements confirm the pilot did this, the crew and passengers passed out then died from oxygen deprivation, so quick and subtle that no one could phone. No panic, just a deep sleep.

            I would conjecture that the pilot has most probably left a declaration of why he did so, but that has yet to be proved or disproved. I’m reasonably sure the pilot did so to spite and embarrass MAS.

          • whuddyasack

            It’s interesting nobody listened to you in the beginning. There was nothing but speculation as to what happened, from terrorism, to UFOs. I personally suspected some unknown technical failure like we saw in the case of Air France and I do wonder if I would have come to the same conclusion as yourself had I known the plane steered off course. Most likely not hahaha.

            Either way, your explanation matches what a former senior pilot had to say about this case. He explained that the planes movements, how it was able to avoid radar detection and flight course was only possible if it was done by someone experienced enough in flying a plane.

            I do believe the motivations behind the pilot’s actions would be the subject of eternal debate. We may never truly know the answer to this mystery.

            I find the conjectures placing blame on America disturbingly ridiculous and fallacious, not to mention disrespectful. Having followed the case from the beginning, I watched the drama unfold. I saw how frustrated teams accusing each other of withholding information. It wasn’t until the US got involved that things started to get in order and we got greater transparency/efficiency. To be honest, we owe a lot to the US for getting so far in this operation. Sure, I know how Americans cop a lot of flak at times, often unnecessarily. This is one of those unnecessary times. Whether we agree with American foreign policy or not, I do believe that in general, America has selflessly fought for many things we take for granted.

  • Aorigele

    Is there any real protest to be made about this? A plane crashes and the malaysian government scrambles to put pieces of sketchy evidence together and they get accused by the Chinese relatives, government and people for hiding stuff and being less than honest. Well they probably were, if any of it had to do with national security, especially the plane having flown back over malaysia and the malaysian military having record of it.

    Now what would have happened if it were a Chinese airline flying out of China and you still had the same amount of Chinese passengers and the Chinese government because of matters sensitive to national security (and sketchy evidence) couldn’t give all the answers as to what happened up front and it stretched on for 2 weeks? You might have one or two families outside a Chinese government building protesting before they get taken away by the PSB. The rest would know to stay the fuck away. But in reality you wouldn’t know about it at all because there would be a media black out of any protests by the commie central government.

    Now I can’t really fault the families of the passengers for being angry and discombobulated, but this has now turned into a national fad in China of Malaysia bashing, which really just boils down to “I can’t bash my own government cause they’ll lock me up or shoot me, and even though I didn’t have any relatives on the plane and don’t really understand international politics aside from how we’re going destroy little Japan some day in the next billion years, I’m going to savor this moment to bash those bastards in Malaysia just because.”

    Just because you’ve always wanted to say something in protest in your own country, but due to your brain washing and education, never had hair one. But hey! You don’t need any balls to bash malaysian people and politicians cause everybody’s doing it!

    And the Chinese central government always eats these kinds of moments up and divert attention away from themselves. It’s a perfect time for them to divert attention away from their having been absolute fuck ups for the past 60+ years.

    Or maybe they haven’t been absolute fuck ups, maybe they’ve done the best their little pea brains and feudal traditions will allow for (great leap foward/cultural revolution/tiananmen squeare) and we should cut them some slack like many of these kids on chinasmack do.

    Thank the blue sky above my parents had the brains to gtfo of the PRC and into Mongolia when the getting was good.

    And now, a drumroll, as it’s time for all those overseas Chinese who like China just because it’s Chinese, but themselves have never had to live a day of their lives under the bloated corruption that is communism (as well as the mainland chinese rich boys and girls who benefit from the bloated corruption of the communist party), start flinging their childish innuendo at me.

    But before you do, I hope when you’re time comes that you’re all reincarnated in China to enjoy the gutter oil, cadmium water and vegetables raised on laundry detergergent you worlthless s*** o* b******

    • don mario

      “because of matters sensitive to national security (and sketchy evidence) couldn’t give all the answers as to what happened up front and it stretched on for 2 weeks?”

      even if they had all the information up front they wouldn’t give it out.

      it wouldn’t be stretched out for 2 weeks. there would be one official report and that would be the end of it.

  • lacompacida

    Malaysian should have done what the Chinese government did in the Wenzhou event, conclude the investigation in hours, declare a cause of the investigation, and bury the plane the same day. Case closed.

    • don mario

      exactly. this is how the Chinese government deal with situations like this, we all know it. please people, don’t buy into their bullcrap.

      • lacompacida

        But that’s what PRC government instructed these families to ask for to show that it is a common practice.

        • don mario

          its really low to even still be pushing political agendas in times of tragedy’s.

          that’s the maturity level of this government, sadly.

          • Insomnicide

            9/11, Boston bombing, does that ring any bells?

          • don mario

            this was not a terrorist attack aimed at china, with the chinese directing the hate back at the terrorists.

            this was what seems to be a non terrorist(nobody has claimed to be responsible) related tragedy which happens in china all the time, but in those situations the government response and response from the people are totally different. its a hypocritical way to react.

  • don mario

    its hypocritical. if the same thing happened in china on a state owned airline they would of released no information.

    just look at kunming. a tragedy. no real information or evidence has yet to be released, and there will be no follow ups. the vague ‘uigher people did it’ is all that we are getting.

    • lacompacida

      Wrong. The would have concluded the investigation within a day, declare a cause of the event, blame a foreign country, bury the plane, all within 24 hours. Case closed. The families will be imprisoned if they voice any anger. Anyone not display gratitude towards the government will be properly penalized.

      • don mario

        yea thats what i meant. i just said no information because i meant no real information that wasn’t a pack of lies spun towards political motives.

        but well done, you covered it in more detail.

    • noname

      Maybe the Chinese government would print T-shirts and placards, put the relatives in buses and send them to the Ministry of Transport? Surely I jest.
      More likely PSB goons would pick up anyone who talked about even a whiff of a protest. Criticizing dumb and/or barbaric foreigners is OK, criticizing the dumb *and* barbaric CPC is a definite no-no.

  • ScottLoar

    noNama;

    My point is clear: Ferringhi is a word in Bahasa Malayu meaning “foreigner” and contrary to your instruction to “get your facts straight”, even if not commonly used by most native speakers. So, “ferringhi” and variations means “foreigner” throughout Southeast and South Asia, including Malaysia.

  • mr.wiener

    Apparently some do, or did 20 years ago…in the north. But like I said earlier Sorry if I made a mistake and said you all did. Are we good?

  • Apothis

    Although I have the deepest sympathies for the families of the victims I have to say the Chinese families are looking like a bunch of entitled cry babies. Why would the Malaysian government want to mislead them? Quit embarrassing your entire country and man up. Quit blaming a third world country for not being sophisticated enough to conduct a professional search and recovery mission. They did their best. Shit happens to all of us, not just the Chinese.

    • death_by_ivory

      The Malaysian government was absolutely useless.They were times they changed what they think they know twice a day.If you dont know anything as an authority wouldnt it better to say “we don’t know”?

      • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

        It would be better to say ‘We don’t know” but how many times have any governing authority insistute has said this? Not many.

  • Mighty曹

    I have lost all faith in the Malaysian gov’t. What ever they say does not matter anymore.

    • death_by_ivory

      Yep.Completely useless.Show me the debris,that is proof.And we still dont know the why.However sadly I prefer the version that it flew for a while until ran out of fuel with all aboard dead already because to think they flew hours knowing there is no escape is really terrifying.

      • Mighty曹

        Let’s hope that there was a possibility of the passengers being oblivion to the change in flight path until the very last moment of ‘crash’.

  • ScottLoar

    Batu Ferringhi may just be the “name of a place to most Malaysians” but like all place names has a meaning and origin. It means Foreigner’s Rock. Now, go back to the Malay spoken 200, 300 years ago, well before use of the alphabet to write Bahasa Malayu, and make a discovery of words no longer used but, still, Malay.

  • noname

    I don’t see Malaysian, Australian or American relatives of those on board MH370 asking ambassadors to kneel or accusing an entire government of being “executioners”.
    Imagine if the situation were reversed: a 777 from a Chinese airline flying from Beijing to Kuala Lumpur, with mainly Malaysian passengers on board, vanishes just after leaving China ATC. I doubt the Communist Party of China would be anywhere near as transparent as the Malaysian authorities have been. The CPC would save face by suppressing international media coverage and forcing local media to toe the Xinhua line, rather than be seen as inept and contradictory while dealing with little verified information as the Malaysians have done.
    As for Chinese relatives and the public not understanding a damn thing about large search and rescue ops and expecting the plane to be fished out of the water instantly, well, try and see the world from outside China sometime. There’s not much hope for real change in China if local social media comments from brainwashed, gullible youngsters are anything to go by.

  • mr.wiener

    You can call me a saint or call me a sinner…just don’t call me late for dinner.

  • mr.wiener

    Cool as! Thanks for that.

  • Irvin

    The truth is stranger than fiction.

  • Gerhana

    My China Chinese friend was really upset at me two days ago, it was as if I was the one who caused the disaster. Not wanting to lose the friendship, because this thing will pass over, and I am certain she was just caught up in the mob mentality and emotional response, I just apologise anyway and said Malaysia could have done better. But it was quite surprising, I guess this is how younger generation Japanese felt like when they were asked to apologise for crime they didnt commit. Shila also apologised, lol.

    By the way I just need to clarify a few thing. We are not really superstitious people, at least the educated one. Its just that, I have no idea which idiot wanted to show that shaman stuff at the airport. It embarrassed all of us.

    • Zappa Frank

      I would have changed friend… Apologize? are we crazy?

      • Gerhana

        hahaha… I understand they are quite emotional but I value friendship above political dispute, religion, belief and all those stuff that push people apart. If I have to lose face sometime its quite all right. But blaming it on the whole nation and assigning responsibility to the one that had nothing to do with it is just crazy. Some of my China Chinese friends are still quite emotional about it and its a little awkward to respond to mindless blaming.

    • noname

      Maybe your China Chinese friend needs to get out more. It seems like young Chinese only believe crazy conspiracy theories (because everything on the Internet is true) or crazy Party propaganda (because everything on CCTV is true). I find it interesting that the Party has successfully indoctrinated the victim mentality into most Chinese citizens when in reality, China is the one acting like a regional bully.

      • Gerhana

        yeah, they need to get out of the country more I think. lol.

      • Insomnicide

        The party hasn’t indoctrinated any victim mentality. The people have a natural victim mentality from being actual oppressed victims historically for the last 400 years.

        • noname

          That’s true, the various peoples within China have been oppressed by despotic monarchies and autocracies from 始皇帝 down to the latest General Secretary of the CPC.
          What’s new is that the Communist government is claiming that China itself is being oppressed by sneaky Westerners, dastardly Japanese and others, so it’s the Party’s job to be the vanguard and savior of China. That means it gets to oppress the people to protect the country from oppressive foreigners… just watch the various CCTV channels, especially the military one, and you’ll understand.

          • Insomnicide

            I was talking about of course, the foreign colonialism in China and the Japanese invasion but nevermind that now…

        • Zappa Frank

          400 year? why not a million? most people in china have never seen a foreigners till recent time…how can they have been oppressed?

    • xiaode

      sorry to say: but she can´t seriously be (what I would call) “a friend”. no offense… but you should have just told her to shut up, you are an individual and whatever country you are coming from not responsible for some fucked up behavior of your fellow countrymen. Or does she want to be count responsible for all the bullshit which is done by the people from her country… ?

    • whuddyasack

      Awww, that was inspiring. You should hang out with mine or with me. If only. I might not really count though but believe me, I too understand what it’s like to be blamed for something I didn’t personally do ;-)

      All I can say is you’re a very good friend, both her and your emotional Chinese friends are lucky to have a gentle soul like you for a friend. Thank you for your understanding. I must admit, the mob mentality in China is appalling right now but it is as you said, something that will pass when they find something else to brood over sadly.

      I’m sorry for the way these families acted, I hope you understand that they are only a product of their generation and upbringing and not take it too personally. I’m sorry that some Chinese have acted so inappropriately and even resorted to attacking the baby of your country woman (doesn’t affect me, I still love her songs).

      If anything, I’m sorry that you feel you should apologize but in reality it’s not your fault. Personally, I wished the Chinese could see how the world was and still is behind them. I saw so many touching drawings and prayers from people all over the world wishing them well, it made me feel ashamed of how little I did.

      If anything, I was fortunate to hear of the many kind Malaysian and Chinese Australians who gladly provided their homes to some of the victim’s families. It was amazingly generous of all of them, and left me with a lot of respect. I still think Australians have a rough exterior but a warm interior, and I have nothing but gratitude for them and all those who’ve helped in the search and offered kind words and prayers.

      Its just that, I have no idea which idiot wanted to show that shaman stuff at the airport. It embarrassed all of us.

      Oh come on now, please don’t feel embarrassed by that. There’s nothing to be ashamed of and it was done with good intentions. I thought it was awfully pathetic of the Chinese media to slam Malaysia for this. Now “that” was truly embarrassing. A cheap shot, nothing more, nothing less considering we are quite the superstitious lot (an East Asian thing but most evident in the Chinese). We believe that we can bring back the dead or comatosed through placing inanimate objects where someone died or was wounded (something like that). :-)

      • Gerhana

        thanks for the offer :)

        • whuddyasack

          Anytime bud. As a Chinese proverb goes, no gem is polished without friction, no man perfected without trials. I think you handled yourself perfectly, a credit to your country and your friends and family.

          • noname

            If you really are someone from China, your country needs more level-headed, rational and intelligent people like you to really change things.

  • Zappa Frank

    maybe was ‘face’ thing, they wanted handle this case by themselves.. or maybe they were simply incompetent and the person in charge ‘forgot’ to pass those info.. but the change of the flight path came out a day or two aftern, not weeks..

  • Gerhana

    I think Mr Wiener must have visited Kelantan, because the people there also speak Thai and some Malay even live in Thailand. He did say he went trekking near the Thai border so most likely there. They are more influenced by the Thai and more likely to use Farang then say Malaysian living in Penang. I did not know Feringhi means foreigner until today.

    • ScottLoar

      Again, ask a Malaysian linguist, not any speaker of Bahasa Malayu, or look to sources of several hundred years ago and well before the romanization of Malay.

  • wnsk

    I think you’re the one who doesn’t understand the situation.

    Non-Christians wouldn’t mind, and might even appreciate, a preacher who comes out to pray for a sign from Jesus. Hence there’s no need for any “US politician” or whoever to speak out at all.

    It’s a completely different thing when some self-proclaimed king of sorcerers goes to the airport, dances around with “magical” coconuts in an effort to locate the plane and weaken the evil elves he says have kidnapped it, and pronounces stuff like, “Either the plane has crashed into the sea, or it’s still in the air.”

    To top if off, he claimed to have been invited by some bigwig in the government. And the government even said it welcomed any and all efforts to help, with the only caveat being that such efforts must not contravene Islamic principles, i.e. you can do your magic, but only magic that’s allowed in/by Islam.

    Is that not a big PR fail by the government? It invited ridicule (by other Islamic countries even) and further damaged its own credibility. Many Malaysians in fact felt embarrassed and disappointed.

  • Jahar

    My teacher played a chinese song the other day, and I told her I like it. She told me that the singer is malaysian, and people in china dont like her now because of this.

    • Surfeit

      Priceless.

  • Mateusz82

    Why use English??!! Is this showing respect to the families?!!”

    *facepalm* So much stupidity contained in two small sentences.

    • Jahar

      I love this one (assuming he doesn’t speak chinese.)

  • Insomnicide

    Exhibit A.

  • Womanizer

    you obviously don’t understand shit, the malaysian airlines and the its government are incompetent. to show their level of incompetence i would like to give you few example.
    1.several hours after its disapperance the airlines make an annocement that its “lost contact” with M370
    2. after days of intense questioning of the malaysian radar information, the ministry finally cracked with some degree of information.

    this goes on and on

    if you don’t like china, then leave.

    • Surfeit

      “if you don’t like china, then leave.” Such a fantastic notion!

      • wnsk

        If you don’t like China, why stay? Especially if you’re not a citizen.

        …I don’t know, seems like a perfectly reasonable question.

        • Surfeit

          It’s a reasonable question, but it assumes people are living in China through indubitable choice.

      • Womanizer

        it is, love it or leave it

        • Surfeit

          No.

          • Womanizer

            you have more right to my land than me?

          • Surfeit

            That’s not what I’m getting at. I just don’t think things are as simplistic as to say, ‘if you don’t like China, then leave.’

          • Womanizer

            jesus christ, how hard it is to get across to you? china is a civilaztion state. not a nation state. i pleage alligence to my civilaztion not the government or any institution. i am decesendent of the first emperor and descendent of Qi kingdom i defend my people and my civilaztion. you can like or dislike china but when @rickinchina:disqus said that china is land of pesants and it’s shitty. then why bother to be there anyways? he simply genelize all of chinese as pesants then he will say the most retarded racist shit. but it is oky to make money there.
            if that is not clear then i don’t know what it is.

          • Probotector

            Why is it not okay to have some criticism of China, but still like the country? The fact that you have to boil your rhetoric down to absolutes such as “love it or leave it” and “if you don’t like China get out” indicates a huge degree of insecurity on your part, and an inability to retort against criticisms of China in any rational way. In fact your statements read off as mere blind nationalism, rather than any sort of grasp of reality (“china is a civilaztion state… etc. etc.” but no other country is based on civilization?).

            You say Rick generalises Chinese as peasants (which he did, fair enough),but most Chinese people generalise against foreigners in similarly negative ways. In fact the word foreigner is a generalisation. Moreover, there are far more Chinese people in foreign countries pissing and moaning about how they hate those places than there are foreigners in China moaning about China. Perhaps those people should get out of our countries.

          • Womanizer

            yes, no worries.

          • Surfeit

            I’m very happy for you and your patriotic inclinations, but I was disagreeing with your logic rather than your values. I think we misinterpreted each other.

          • Reptilian

            Yeah sure, 炎黄子孙 and all that asshatty crap. When all is said and done, modern China will be known as the country of squat toilets and nothing more.

  • JankyFosci

    Relative to previous investigations of plane accidents. There has never been an investigation as veiled, bungled and late as this.

  • Mighty曹

    Was it because the election was rigged by the Barisan Nasional party?

  • ScottLoar

    I suggest you, who believes in UFO’s and aliens, take a leap of faith and understand the US was not involved.

  • Nasiruddin Pungut

    Chinese people are just so inconsiderate. They just love to protest without even using common sense. Initially I sympathize with the Chinese relatives of MH370 but now it come to a point of being annoying, I don’t sympathize the Chinese victims AT ALL more like they are bunch of nuisance. Now they travel all the way to Malaysia and creating the same ruckus which obviously is not tolerated. Not all country behaves like China where protest and being uncouth is a norm. But my gut feeling tells me that once the relatives has receive money as part of compensation, they will shut up.

    • whuddyasack

      Oh don’t be ridiculous and look in a mirror. Rioting, protests, violence and being all-round trouble is a Muslim thing. The ones being emotional or ‘overacting’ are mainly the victims’ families (understandable) and some netizens, hardly all ‘Chinese people’. Save your sympathy. They don’t need it from Malaysia and it’s clear you had none to give in the first place. The only reason you are coming out of your woodwork now and venting your vitriol is because everyone has been condemning the Chinese reactions, justifiably so. But to try to use that as an excuse to attack a whole people, bull-rushing and lumping yourselves with other countries many times better than yours is cowardly and pathetic. To come to think I thought Malaysia had an unfair rap.

      All you’ve really done is continue to prove that all Muslims are the same and that “we should not believe a word a Muslim says”.

  • Reptilian

    Hey, the Chinese love the word kowtow (叩头). “Tremble before our might, you heathen lands.”

  • Reptilian

    I got news for you–it’s NEVER been done before. The Air France that crashed coupla years ago, they knew where it went down, and it took years before they could finally retrieve the black box.

    Going back to the original question you’ve evaded: how do you know, definitively, that there’s info being withheld? You must know more than anyone does in order to make that accusation. Asshat.

  • Jahar

    You have absolutely no right to the information I gather. I don’t work for you.

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