American TV Shows to be Hit by New Chinese Censorship Policy

A Poster of The Walking Dead

From Sina:

American TV Shows May Be Hit Hard By New Internet TV Show Policy, Websites Adopt Wait-and-See Approach Slowing Down Their Buying of Shows

As online streaming video websites increasingly become the platform young audiences use to watch American and British TV shows, disputes over this matter have also become louder and louder.

This morning, according to reports by multiple overseas media including The Hollywood Reporter, China’s internet authorities will be increasing their censorship of the overseas TV shows on Chinese streaming video sites, with those to be worst-hit to be American and British TV shows known for their wide latitude [with regards to explicitness or obscenity, usually of violent or sexual content].

The Policy: Strengthen Supervision, Explicit American TV Shows May Be Hit Hard

Recently, the State Administration of Radio Film and Television (SARFT) announced released new regulations aimed at strengthening the supervision of audiovisual programs such as online serial dramas and microfilms as well as the broadcasting entities [websites], within which included warnings to both companies and investors that violators will be given warnings, fines, or punishments lasting up to 5 years banning them from investment or engaging in internet audiovisual services based on severity, with serious violators may face confiscation of equipment and/or illegal earnings from the illegal activities, and/or rescission of licenses.

Multiple media including the Hollywood Reporter all said that the new regulations would severely hit recently popular American TV shows. Among them, worst-hit would likely be cable TV dramas such as The Walking Dead and Masters of Sex. Similarly, not long ago, World War Z starring Brad Pitt failed to be shown in Chinese theaters for various reasons, which again prevented it from being shown on streaming video sites.

According to analysis by America’s well-known television media TV Guide, the shows most likely to be severely punished will be Supernatural and An American Horror Story which feature supernatural subject-matter. According to sites including Indiewire, judging by the present censorship of China’s movie market, 80% of American cable TV shows available on Chinese streaming video sites face the risk of being pulled.

Sam and Dean Winchester of Supernatural.

Responses to Policy: With Specific Standards/Criteria Not Yet Released, America TV Show Suppliers May Release Two Different Versions

This morning, this newspaper’s reporter called multiple online video websites whom all responded that they are already aware of SARFT’s latest rules and regulations but the detailed official document has yet to be handed down and thus still do not know what the specific standards/criteria for censorship are in this instance. However, video sites including Youku and iQIYI have all expressed that the video content currently on their sites are all content that have already passed review and do not include any violations.

The introduction of this regulations has also slowed the pace of [purchases by] each website as they enter the [TV show] buying/licensing season. According to an insider, despite it already being the period where shows are normally purchased/licensed, the various websites remain in a wait-and-see stance. With the exception of shows like Two Broke Girls that are expected to easily pass the censors, the vast majority of sites have all slowed their pace in buying American TV shows, redirecting more of their energy into negotiations for Korean or Japanese serial dramas.

In the meantime, many American TV show suppliers are also beginning to make adjustments in response to this policy. According to the report by The Huffington Post, a lot of American TV shows production companies are already setting out to produce two different versions [of shows], respectively targeting American and international markets. According to many production companies, as the market for American TV shows around the globe continues to expand, it is already imperative to prepare two versions of the same shows in order to meet the review/censorship systems of certain countries and regions.

Bloody Scene of The Walking Dead

Comments from Sina Weibo:

林凯文kevin:

A rating system of movies and TV dramas should be implemented. Certain things might not be proper for kids to watch, but adults should have their own rights to choose. The ban of American TV shows is a kind of regression. Do you support the ban of American TV shows? I strongly oppose! Our film and television industry should be brought in line with international practice; we should implement a rating system!

七克温柔:

Are you kidding?? Use your brain and think about whether or not you can really ban [these shows, prevent people from watching]~ There has never been a ban that had stopped me from watching these shows. And don’t internet censors and SARFT always end up overturning their own bans in the end? And it’s your guys’ own fault for lagging behind others by decades, and you still don’t seize time to catch up, seize time to learn, and seize time to improve.

微笑的去痛片:

If domestic movies and television were interesting, who would choose to watch subtitled or dubbed American TV shows?

中崎龙二:

Do you support the ban of American TV shows? I strongly oppose! Ban your ass!!!! I passed my CET-4 all from watching The Walking Dead. If you do want to ban then ban those retarded Korean dramas where you can’t tell the men apart from the women and where after so many years it is ridiculously still the same basic plots!

欢欢-来个自然卷:

Explicit, obscene? Then let us be immersed in the happy society of ridiculous Sino-Japanese War TV dramas, mother-in-law and daughter-in-law plots, Pleasant Goat waging war on Big Big Wolf and Xinwen Lianbo!

枪花Lee:

In the future, after watching Xinwen Lianbo, we’ll watch Topics in Focus [another CCTV news program], and after watching Topics in Focus, we’ll order a KFC family bucket meal to watch Japanese devils torn apart by hand, and after Japanese devils are torn apart, we’ll then watch CCTV Night News. Fuck, just thinking about this makes me feel so happy!

[Note: “Happy” here alludes to CCTV having once broadcasted a segment of interviews with people on the street asking if they were happy, something that was widely ridiculed by the Chinese public.]

@佩佩缺乏症患者宿十一:

WTF, how is Masters of Sex low and vulgar??? Fuck I rushed to watch it because of its name only to discover it was fucking all about science, okay???

gfssdffggg:

Violence and sex are animal natures, whereas Korean and Thai dramas like Confucianism can weaken people’s animal natures. That’s why Chinese are the most peace-loving people in the world and instinctively reject war.

九班副:

You [SARFT] are such fucking busybodies [eager to unnecessarily meddle in things]! Country Romance [a Chinese romantic comedy series about modern rural people’s love stories] is already on its 7th season, it’s been hundreds of episodes and Big Big Wolf hasn’t yet caught Pleasant Goat, and over a dozen channels are all [Sino-Japanese] war dramas. Do you want us to return to the 1970s and 90s? Have us crowd around the TV to watch the love stories of our moms, fights between mother-in-laws and daughter-in-laws, melodramatic romance dramas? It’s not that we don’t want to like domestic TV shows, but may I ask if the intelligence of those shows be higher? Banning American TV shows, talk about having nothing better to do. If you have so much time, produce good TV shows!

鹏的知心话儿:

So American TV shows get banned before [Japanese] AVs.

别挡哥桃花:

Compatriots from Taiwan are weeping too, no longer able to climb over the wall [use VPN] to watch [American TV shows] with our subtitles.

李某得罪了:

Even if those shows are banned the various major sites, don’t we still have our all-powerful netizens? Why should we worry? There’ll always be torrent seeds. Only the stupid would be so upset [about this], as if their father died. Stupid cunts.

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  • The FRED FONG

    American vomit and gutter oil should not be consumed by Chinese or other living things

  • Psalmanazaar

    SOFA

    • Womanizer

      SOPA

      • firebert5

        Ooh! I know this game! SODA.

        • mr.wiener

          SOLA.

    • YourSupremeCommander

      Slurp Our Fat Ass

  • ex-expat

    If I didn’t have shows like Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones when I lived in Beijing, I would have been so fucked.

    • Womanizer

      i watch game of thrones for sex scenes :)

      • Dick Leigh

        I watched the sex scenes for the dialogue.

      • mr.wiener

        I watch it for ideas on the suit of armor I’m making in my basement.

        • Guang Xiang

          don’t add nipples to the breastplate, GoT taught me they’re useless!

      • steviewah

        I’m just waiting for them to find a reason for Emilia Clarke to be nude again. It’s like every season, they seem to find a reason.

        • Guest

          so every season you sit there and wait for emilia clarke to be nude? enjoy my special meme :)

        • Womanizer

          so every season you sit there and wait for emilia clarke to be nude? enjoy my special meme :))

  • Insomnicide

    It’s mostly zombie exploitation flicks anyway, nothing of value was lost.

    As for the Chinese industry and government, they should start expanding their soft power like they promised. Start improving the quality and standards of domestic cinema. Start delivering shows to the international audience. Do you guys have any idea how hard it is for someone not living to China to find a Chinese show and watch it?

    • Dick Leigh

      It’s getting harder and harder! There used to be all kinds of streaming apps but now more and more are IP blocking. Even 音乐台 is IP blocking now so I can’t get my mandopop-fix. At least there’s Viki but it hardly has any mainland shows, just tons of shitty taiwan dramas.

      • mr.wiener

        God I hate those Taiwanese dramas.

        • Guang Xiang

          it’s sad, but true :(

          • mr.wiener

            Maybe we should form a drinking and gladiatorial games club in Taipei.

        • firebert5

          Are they worse than Korean dramas?

          • mr.wiener

            More screaming and less hitting.

      • Insomnicide

        If Chinese politicians and Chinese corporations are really serious about expanding their soft power, they should be doing everything BUT cockblocking people from accessing Chinese media.

        I just want to watch some TV shows, damn it. Not plotting terrorist conspiracies.

      • Teacher in China

        Torrents, man. It’s really much better than streaming anyway. Go to yyets.com to get the subtitles first, then find the matching torrent. You’re all set.

        • Guang Xiang

          ah torrents, my pubescent years thank thee

        • Dick Leigh

          Haha, I know that site. If I want my boyfriend to watch anything that’s not Chinese, I have to do all the work of getting the correct, working subtitles and torrents.

          I just like streaming because I can watch tv shows in bed with my ipad cuz I’m lazy and a product of the first world baby!

    • Irvin

      I hope you’re not talking about walking dead, that show kicks ass!

    • ex-expat

      If they delivered Chinese TV to an international audience, nobody except for some overseas mainlanders would watch it.

      • Insomnicide

        Japanese, Koreans, even many westerners wanted to watch the new 2010 adaptation of Romance of the Three Kingdoms. However, because of the availability issue, not many are able to obtain it.

        • ex-expat

          By many Westerners, you mean a couple drunk guys at a bar? Seriously, where do you get the statement “many Westerners” from? Even if what you say is true, which I highly doubt, it would be the only thing. Chinese TV is just not good at all.

          • Insomnicide

            You can literally Google Romance of the Three Kingdoms yourself and find out.

          • Paulistano

            Insomnicide, Western people doesn’t give a **** about chinese dramas and movies generally. Last time a chinese movie hit in cinemas here was ”City of Life and Death” and couldn’t even reach holywood movies audiences. And last time I checked, chinese people watch MUCH more korean dramas than koreans watch chinese dramas. Japanese people don’t even know what is Chinese dramas and movies. You entire source is based in one movie, my claim here is based on statistic and facts. Go and search what is the top 10 search in Baidu and see for yourself. China has no soft power at all, I can’t even believe how a tiny country called South Korea has more soft power than a country with 1.3 billion people. Go figure it.

          • Insomnicide

            Bloody hell. I never said China has more soft power than South Korea, i said if China WANTS to expand their soft power they should start exporting their media like South Korea and Japan.

            And ‘western’ people don’t give a shit about Chinese dramas? Maybe the average joe doesn’t, but there’s a following for everything. How do you think KPop is considered so popular in the west when all you see on western TV is American pop and Hip Hop? Listen, go google it yourself. Go look up websites about Asian drama/cinema and see for yourself who cares and who doesn’t.

            Last time i checked, Japanese people love ROTK. They even make their own anime adaptations of Romance of the Three Kingdoms. So it seems you know nothing about Japanese people. Where’s your statistic? Where’s your fact?

            Here’s the Baidu top 10 searches.

            1少女拐卖了拐卖她的人贩..37464search

            2习近平晚宴菜单35821search

            3煎饼摊用内裤当油擦28517search

            4武汉男神老师192976search

            5剩女人工授精90728search

            6么么哒手机53683search

            7怀柔砍人13565search

            8联想电池召回8818search

            9网络女神成路人84420search

            10故宫免费61743

            You have no idea what you’re talking about.

        • Teacher in China

          Even granting that what you say is true, it would be the exception rather than the rule. Chinese TV is really shitty. If it’s not family soap operas or vapid variety shows/contests, then it’s completely unnuanced portrayals of what the “filthy Japs” did to the motherland more than 60 years ago or the same old ancient times drama. It’s garbage, man. There’s a reason Chinese people are turning to “Western” TV – it’s in a golden age right now, and there are many seriously entertaining and thoughtful shows being produced.

          • Insomnicide

            Yes Chinese TV is shitty, i’m not here to convince you that Chinese TV is the greatest in the world or anything. My point is about cultural export.

            Japanese TV used to be really shitty, Korean TV used to be really shitty, but once they started exporting them to multiple demographics they started evolving to meet new needs. Everyone has to start some where.

      • Guang Xiang

        To be honest, Taiwanese tune in to some Chinese drama. I dare say that China has more potential than Taiwan in this regard.

        • ScottLoar

          The quality of mainland Chinese screen actors is very high as is the direction. Even the worst tv serials are sometimes enlightened by first-rate performances. Mainland Chinese cinema and screen is at its best when recounting the human condition under circumstances in recent history, and at its worst in propaganda films made for effect like Hero and Nanjing!Nanjing!

          28 years later the first and still the best is that masterpiece 老井.

          • Insomnicide

            The City of Life and Death is nowhere near propaganda. Especially not compared to the generic anti-Japanese dramas where they show CCP militias tearing Japanese armies apart with their bare hands.

          • David

            I downloaded that and have been meaning to watch it.

    • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

      If someone managed to pass their CET-4 using zombie-spoitation, then shouldn’t it be considered an extreme form of advanced English education?

      Learn all the words English people really use.

    • Zappa Frank

      the hardest part actually is watch it..
      most tv shows are like in the rest of the world but with chinese people.. nothing too original..
      Besides if youku, tudou and so on don’t work out of china isn’t a choice of chinese government?

  • Dick Leigh

    NOOOO. What am I supposed to show my students in class now.

  • What is the cultural or sensitivity around the super natural stuff? Sex/violence – yeah age old stuff of censorship the world over. Is there a particular reason the zombie and or ghost stuff is a threat?

    • mr.wiener

      I think the ideas of hordes of badly dressed shambling zombies over running their mansions was giving the cadres the shivers.

    • Insomnicide

      Showing dead people disrespectfully is usually a big no-no in Chinese culture. Especially showing dead people with bones sticking out, etc. etc.

      • mr.wiener

        For real? The walking dead is pretty extreme I know, but what about all those hongkong movies from the 80’w showing jumping vampires and zombies. Also here in Taiwan they show Walking dead and all the rest without much in the way of censorship. The only thing they seem to have problems with is large open wounds, boobs and flipping people the bird.
        I think it is just the govt trying to be seen as the protector of “proper” values and morals.

        • Insomnicide

          In old Hong Kong films they had Jiangshi, which did not show open wounds and bones. And even in a lot of Chinese horror movies, they rarely show bones and gore.

          • Robin

            Dude they show real dead people, covered in blood, and with entrails protruding on the news every single day.
            And traditional Chinese literature is full of gory, graphic descriptions (sometimes with accompanying illustrations) of dead people all the time. Look at 唐傳奇, 狄公案, or 聊斋志异. Your argument makes zero sense.

            The reason they’re doing this is to limit people’s exposure to Western media and especially in this case, screw Western media firms out of business (because they know people will still watch pirated versions). The end.

          • Insomnicide

            They don’t show dead people on Chinese news, and especially not ones with bones and guts sticking out.

            As for literature, it’s nothing like visual imagery. You wouldn’t compare a book to a painting. And how can they screw western media firms out of business when they’re targeted towards western audiences? I doubt Hollywood will run bankrupt just because some Chinese people won’t watch their new Expendables 3.

          • fabulous

            You bloody well would compare a book to a painting if you had paid attention in even the most basic History of Literature course.

            Showing dead people disrespectfully is a big no-no? Maybe “wise, old-China-hand” comments like that run with your family back home (“Wow. What a wealth of valuable cultural information you’ve become son!”) but anyone who has seen criminals laying in their own blood, happy family’s SUVing their heads off or a crowd of people watching someone have his face respectfully kicked off will attest that Chinese people don’t mind a bit of the old ultra-violence.

          • Insomnicide

            How you personally view literature is another story. Objectively speaking, visual imagery to writing is like apples and oranges.

            The point isn’t about violence. It’s about treatment of the deceased. Ever wonder why Chinese Jiangshi have their body intact? Ever wonder why Chinese ghosts are never depicted with skeleton showing?

          • Robin

            1. It’s funny because, when a writer describes a scene through words, nearly all literary scholars call it… guess what? Here it comes… visual imagery! It’s been part of Chinese literature from the very beginning. I doubt you can read classical Chinese, but if you can, refresh your memory:
            觀夫興之托諭,婉而成章,稱名也小,取類也大。關雎有別,故后妃方德;尸鳩貞一,故夫人象義。義取其貞,無疑于夷禽;德貴其別,不嫌于鷙鳥;明而未融,故
            發注而后見也。且何謂為比?蓋寫物以附意,颺言以切事者也。故金錫以喻明德,珪璋以譬秀民,螟蛉以類教誨,蜩螗以寫號呼,浣衣以擬心懮,席卷以方志固:凡
            斯切象,皆比義也。至如「麻衣如雪」,「兩驂如舞」,若斯之類,皆比類者也。楚襄信讒,而三閭忠烈,依《詩》制《騷》,諷兼「比」、「興」。炎漢雖盛,而辭人夸毗,詩刺道喪,故興義銷亡。于是賦頌先鳴,故比體云構,紛紜雜遝,倍舊章矣。

            But perhaps the fact that I said much of the literature which describes these things often has accompanying pictures will satisfy you.

            And of course Hollywood won’t go bankrupt if a film is rejected by sensors. No one was suggesting that. (nice attempt at a strawman though)… But they’ll lose MILLIONS of dollars and the audience they would have attracted may choose to watch something homegrown (and state approved) instead. That’s a big win -win for the largely government controlled entertainment industry: foreign competitors lose money and viewers, we make more money and our message is seen by a larger audience.

            And as for showing graphic images on the news? Yes, they do, every day. It’s something that most foreigners are shocked by when they first arrive. They show these things on TV, in print media, and on Chinese internet news sites. Here are just a few examples cited previously on this site:

            http://www.chinasmack.com/2010/pictures/slow-slicing-photos-female-criminal-late-qing-dynasty.html

            http://www.chinasmack.com/2013/videos/girl-stabbed-to-death-while-chinese-police-officers-stood-by.html

            http://www.chinasmack.com/2009/stories/police-criticized-bloody-nanjing-drunk-driving-accident.html

            总的来说, you’re full of shit.

          • Robin

            and here is a well known Yuan period painting of 鍾馗 with his entourage of ghosts and demons may of which, you’ll notice, are skeletons.

            http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/Gong_Kai-Zhong_Kui_Traveling.jpg

            PS It’s just one of many, and you have no idea what you’re talking about.

          • wnsk

            This painting is from…what, 700 years ago? C’mon guys, do you not see how silly it is to argue about this? Times change, people change…never mind what the French say.

          • Insomnicide

            Those are not skeletons you brainless harlot. That’s just how ghosts and demons are depicted in traditional art. They’re shown as very thin, to resemble malnutritioned humans.

          • Insomnicide

            You are still missing the point and you are to call me full of shit? Those images of the Qing dynasty executions were taken by foreigners in China. Chinese photographers wouldn’t have done that.

            And those images of accidents? Taken by bystanders and would never be shown on the news. You’re a bloody idiot if you think they’ll show real corpses and gore on in news in any country, let alone China.

            You call my argument a strawman, but you’re the buffoon who suggested that Chinese government are trying destroy western media business by limiting their market in China when wester media businesses target the western audience in the first place.

            Long story short, you’re full of shit, go talk to a Chinese person some time about their culture instead actively trying to mock them as brainwashed CCP drones. Maybe then you’ll learn a thing or two.

          • Foreign Devil

            I don’t know about China. . but Thailand shows extremely gory photos in the news. .. And shows images of car flattened people on posters as a warning to drunk drivers etc. . Chinasmack always seems to have very gory images too.. .not sure how they get those. . seems they get some from the news websites.

          • Guest

            1. You obviously don’t know what a strawman is, because you used yet another one: ” actively trying to mock them as brainwashed CCP drones.” I never said, nor suggested that. I never claimed that the government, which has clearly been trying damage Western entertainment industry’s business interests and limit their influence, represents the entirety of Chinese populace.

            Oh and I’m ABD in Classical Chinese Literature at a Chinese university. The last thing I (or anyone really) need is the advice of some expat, who is probably an English teacher, and who most likely has trouble ordering food coherently, on how to “properly understand Chinese culture.”

            2. “You are still missing the point and you are to call me full of shit?
            Those images of the Qing dynasty executions were taken by foreigners in
            China. Chinese photographers wouldn’t have done that.”

            No, local spectators just stood around in a crowd and watched, which makes all the difference in the world right? In fact, publicly exposing the condemned before, during, and after their execution (usually called 暴市) was an important part of the traditional Chinese penal system (like most of the world) and it is a practice that has continued today. They often televise the executions of drug traffickers in Yunnan for example. Don’t believe me? Look at the last time they tried to do it to four foreign nationals, the coup de grace was only cut from the live broadcast at the last moment, due to outside pressure.

            3. And those pictures are from news sites. Clearly you don’t watch or read the news here. Here’s one from a well-known news site that was published yesterday: http://news.ifeng.com/photo/hdsociety/detail_2014_03/28/35232552_0.shtml#p=4

            I could do this all day. Keep watching CCTV9 jackass.

            3. The demon on the far right is clearly a skeleton, and many of those stories describing Zhong Kui explicitly say they are members of his retinue. Rather than continue to argue this, I’ll just challenge you to buy a copy of this (traditional printings came with pictures that are reproduced): http://www.amazon.cn/%E8%81%8A%E6%96%8B%E5%BF%97%E5%BC%82-%E8%92%B2%E6%9D%BE%E9%BE%84/dp/B0011C3BA2.

            But as you had nothing to say in response to the passage from 文心雕龍 and you clearly Google translated 总的来说, I assume that you’ll probably just look at the pictures.

            Oh and, you’re still completely full… of… shit!

          • Robin

            1. You obviously don’t know what a strawman is, because you used yet another one: ” actively trying to mock them as brainwashed CCP drones.” I never said, nor suggested that. I never claimed that the government, which has clearly been trying damage Western entertainment industry’s business interests and limit their influence, represents the entirety of Chinese populace.

            Oh and I’m ABD in Classical Chinese Literature at a Chinese university. The last thing I (or anyone really) need is the advice of some expat, who is probably an English teacher, and who most likely has trouble ordering food coherently, on how to “properly understand Chinese
            culture.”

            2. “You are still missing the point and you are to call me full of shit? Those images of the Qing dynasty executions were taken by foreigners in China. Chinese photographers wouldn’t have done that.”

            No, local spectators just stood around in a crowd and watched, which makes all the difference in the world right? In fact, publicly exposing the condemned before, during, and after their execution (usually called 暴市) was an important part of the traditional Chinese penal system (like most of the world) and it is a practice that has continued today. They often televise the executions of drug traffickers in Yunnan for example. Don’t believe me? Look at the last time they tried to do it to four foreign nationals, the coup de grace was only cut from the live
            broadcast at the last moment, due to outside pressure.

            3. And those pictures are from news sites. Clearly you don’t watch or read the news here. Here’s one from a well-known news site that was published yesterday: http://news.ifeng.com/photo/hdsociety/detail_2014_03/28/35232552_0.shtml#p=4

            I could do this all day. Keep watching CCTV9 jackass.

            4. The demon on the far right is clearly a skeleton, and many of those stories describing Zhong Kui explicitly say they are members of his retinue. Rather than continue to argue this, I’ll just challenge you to buy a copy of 聊斋志异 as traditional printings came with pictures that are often retained in modern editions.

            But as you had nothing to say in response to the passage from 文心雕龍 and you clearly Google translated 总的来说, I assume that you’ll probably just look at the pictures.

            Oh and, you’re still completely full… of… shit!

          • Probotector

            Actually, the Chinese market counts for a significant share (not a majority of course) of the profits Hollywood brings in. No they wouldn’t go bankrupt, but it would hurt them.

          • Foreign Devil

            That only applies to blockbuster made for the big screen films. Because those get shown in theatres. All the TV series are pirated in China.

          • Robin

            From the original

            这一条例的出台,也让进入购剧期的各家网站放缓了步伐。据知情人士透露,尽管现在已经处于常规的购剧买剧阶段,但是各家网站明显处于观望阶段,除了《破产姐妹》这些过审希望很大的剧以外,绝大多数网站都暂缓了买美剧的步伐,转而将更多的精力投入了韩剧和日剧的谈判中。

            Notice the phrases 购剧, 买剧, 买美剧, and 谈判. They are clearly purchasing these shows.

          • ScottLoar

            Robin;

            You have enough knowledge of Chinese literature and surely history to understand the ruling dynasty and its agents – no matter gentry class of scholar officials or party functionaries – enforce public morality, promote probity, and establish the orthodoxy of the ruling group.

            That this Party censors a gorily sickening tv show is not a political act, they are doing so in the longest tradition of Chinese governance and doing so while this Party has its own problems of morality is not in their sense hypocritical.

      • Kai

        I really don’t think this is about “disrespect to the dead”. Outside of entertaining notions that it’s all a conspiracy to screw over the Western entertainment industry to protect or promote the domestic entertainment industry (which are sometimes arguably valid), I think this is more about lip-service to certain “Communist” ideological values against “superstition” (supernatural) and responding to certain public complaints about violence. I think Xi Yang Yang (Pleasant Goat) was also recently scrutinized by the government because parents were complaining about the level of repetitive violence in the cartoon.

    • Irvin

      We don’t really care as long as the story is good, the girls on the other hand watch some boring korean shit.

    • wnsk

      Maybe it’s just an excuse. Society breaking down, anarchy all over…that’s like Beijing’s worst nightmare.

    • Eileithyia

      China has determinated that their citizens are not mature enough to watch those stuffs.

    • Guang Xiang

      Did you know that World of Warcraft (Wrath of the Lich King) was stalled in China because the Chinese demanded every graphics of bones to be removed? The undead race, which have bones showing, have to be re patched with skin. Total nonsense.

  • Germandude

    The walking dead? I see it every time I take the metro.

    • YourSupremeCommander

      Yes, all the folks who look down on their phones while crossing the streets.

      • Germandude

        That’s exactly what I mean. haha. Great spotting mate ;-)

      • Dick Leigh

        Hey! I take great pains to look up while I cross the street… I then immediately look down at my phone, but during the seconds it takes me to cross the street I am NOT a zombie.

      • cb4242

        And I thought they only did that in Japan! Guess the plague is spreading.

    • steviewah

      Admittedly, I’m a walking corpse without coffee or tea in the morning.

    • BigCAD

      The horror

  • Surfeit

    “we’ll order a KFC family bucket meal to watch Japanese devils torn apart by hand,” The Force is strong in this one.

    • China_girlz_r_easy

      You would think CCP would fully support a show where one of the main and most popular character is an east asian guy who has sex scenes with his hot white gf. I’m referring to Glenn from The Walking Dead: http://audreymagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/gg-7.gif

      • littlewarthog

        He’s of Korean origin…

      • Dick Leigh

        It blew my mind when I heard Maggie’s real accent; she’s american but grew up in England so her accent is a bizarre mix of both!

      • Irvin

        I thought the most popular dude was Daryl.

      • mr.wiener

        You damn skippy.

  • Rick in China

    Would all those who argued about all the personal freedoms in China care to chime in?

    *silence*

    • Surfeit

      “I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams.”

    • Mighty曹

      I hear crickets.

      • linette lee

        really loud crickets. *silence*

    • Zappa Frank

      but they can still point their laser pen on some buildings.. i would say we are even…

      • Germandude

        haha, good one.

    • Germandude

      I hope you are not surprised by the silence. It is to be expected.

    • linette lee

      The only freedom the people in China get is free to watch CCTV and only CCTV. lol. And they love to call us HK dogs? lol They are happy to be dogs for CCP. lol.

      • Rick in China

        It’s not just HK. It’s everywhere. Every country is the “dogs” of someone else, American dogs, “Little japan”, whatever. It’s massive projection. There is so much oppression here, that people project that oppression into everyone else being oppressed by some foreign force, and that foreign force is the enemy of all things Mainland Ethnic Chinese. It’s certainly not everyone, but a lot of loud ones at least.

        • Guest

          Doge is much more polite than “fucking barbaric peasant chinks”.

          • Rick in China

            In general yes, you’re right. However, I would suggest that the INTENTION of either phrase is the same – and if intention doesn’t have anything to do with politeness, I don’t know what does.

        • Insomnicide

          wow

          • Dick Leigh

            Much Shiba, Very Inu.

      • Insomnicide

        You sure show a lot of sympathy for those oppressed people.

      • stopfeelingsuperior

        Trust me even if these shows really get banned, the people in china will still find ways to watch them anyway, so it doesn’t really matter if they get banned or not. You don’t to go on and on about freedom all the time. And about the hk dogs thing, are you trying to say hk people don’t insult mainland people all the time as well. Puhlease get over yourself, where the fuck does your sense of superiority come from XD While people there are working hard for themselves to better their lives, you’re here hating on a whole country’s population on the internet.

      • BigpimpingBalla

        wow fucking dumb hk hoe,still mad over that dog insult LOL

    • donscarletti

      In China you can piss on a busy street in broad daylight if you feel like you need to go. Try doing that in the west.

      • Dick Leigh

        Only if you’re Chinese. If a laowai does that, it becomes a story on CCTV and you get kicked out of the country.

      • Probotector

        Yeah, but to Rick that’s freedom to “fuck with others” and isn’t what he’d define as an acceptable example of freedom in terms of “metrics” as defined by some Western liberal think tank. Be prepared for a butthurt backlash from him soon.

        • Rick in China

          I think he was being facetious. I don’t think you are. :)

          • donscarletti

            Half and half.
            Although I strongly oppose pissing on the street, most males have at least once in their life been busting to go, then seen a corner or a tree and thought “if only”.

            However, only maybe 1 in 5 people are clever enough to even once think of something worth the CCP going to the trouble of banning.

          • Rick in China

            People piss in alleys everywhere without hassle. It’s when you piss on a busy street that there is a problem in “civilised” countries, no? I was walking a 10 minute stretch home tonight and saw a dude pissing in the open facing a tree with a little bush on the street, no alley, although alleys and cement wall corners/etc were all over, there’s just no shame pissing anywhere anytime here. It’s “freedom” sure, but certainly not one everyone should be exposed to on a routine basis.

    • Probotector

      Dude, there are things people can freely do in China but not in the West and vice versa, and I don’t mean obtuse behaviour. Also, western countries sometimes censor movies and other artistic media.

      • mr.wiener

        “Dude, there are things people can freely do in China but not in the West ”

        *snicker* Yeh, like taking a dump in the streets.

        • Rick in China

          It’s the same argument as:

          “Dude, in Syria, people are so free. I can freely beat the shit out of my wife if she doesn’t listen, and her parents will applaud my actions. Try doing that in San Francisco and see what happens.”

        • David

          This is weird I tried to post something here a few hours ago and it said I had been banded from CS. No contact, no warning, no reason (I don’t even usually say anything controversial let alone insulting). Now I tried a test and this posted.

          • mr.wiener

            diisqus being quirky i think.

        • David

          or bribe a politician

      • ESL Ninja

        Like what?

        And yeah, some movies are cut and banned in the west but defo not to the extent that they are here.

    • grand

      lol. so desperate to bash everything related to the chinese even seize on trivial things like this. unfortunately for china bashers like you, this whole story is already proved to be a sham. china already clarified that no US tv shows were banned. chinese are certainly “more free” to watch this show than even americans. they don’t have to endure annoying commericial breaks, also they can watch the show whenever they like.

      not that they care much about american tv show. go to the chinese streaming sites that run the shows you see they have 1/100 of the view of chinese tv series. i doubt the vast majority would even notice even if they were banned.

  • Mighty曹

    Is it because the government metaphorically sees its survival in having to fend off hungry zombies?

    • Surfeit

      Ding!

    • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

      Well if ever there comes an uprising, the rebels can take to heart one important lesson from Walking Dead: Aim for the head.

      • Mighty曹

        You reversed the roles of the gov’t and people?

  • wrle

    “Violence and sex are animal natures, whereas Korean and Thai dramas like Confucianism can weaken people’s animal natures. That’s why Chinese are the most peace-loving people in the world and instinctively reject war.”

    Is this person serious?

    • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

      I thought it was sarcasm.

      • firebert5

        Sometimes it really is hard to tell.

  • wrle

    Great. This means more brainwashing chinese youth with korean imported junk.

  • lacompacida

    Are US media companies making significant amount of money for showing in China ?

    • Insomnicide

      Even less than Chinese media in the US.

      • wnsk

        Then why are they “selling out” here?

        • Insomnicide

          The belief that there’s 1.4 billion wallets waiting to throw money at them.

  • bujiebuke

    I think the Chinese government are very concerned about people from getting any ideas from zombie apocalypse or overthrowing a morally bankrupt regime using the unsullied and dragons. Especially the last one since dragons are real and it’s fire is the only thing capable of destroying the CCP.

    • firebert5

      Not sure how that explains shows like Supernatural. I wonder if it is just so they can seem consistent with censoring the Walking Dead and the like, or if maybe they have some issue with the constant religious references in the show. Or is it just supernaturalism in general? I love how they will declare what is censored (or may be) but rarely ever the reason for it.

      • bujiebuke

        I was mostly joking, especially about dragons being real. As you alluded to, censorship in China is far from transparent and their choice often appears arbitrary. If their goal really is to prevent the idea of revolution from fomenting in the minds of their citizens, then they’re one step too late.

  • Teacher in China

    Like someone said in the translated in the Chinese comments – who cares? Ever heard of torrents, dumbasses?

    • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

      That is what anyone would do.

      I did it for the last episode of Sherlock season 3, due to some things being in Chinese.

      • Irvin

        I download all of mine even when they’re available on tudou or youku mostly because I find the subtitle distracting.

    • Irvin

      I think most people are complaining about the impact on the ease of access, sure we can get torrents but it isn’t as easy as pressing the play button on a website.

      • Teacher in China

        If my VPN were working properly, I’d find the clip, but you’ll have to satisfied with an explanation; what you said reminds me of Homer Simpson waiting in front of his microwave to cook something that will take 2 minutes and he complains “Two minutes?! But I want it now!”

    • wnsk

      People who are not internet-savvy or lack (high-speed) internet altogether? China isn’t like South Korea, you know.

      • Irvin

        The minimal speed in china is 10M now, so the slowest you download a torrent is around 600k but mostly 1mb per second. A 500mb tv episode takes around 8 to 9 mins to download, a 5gb 1080p HD movie about an hour.

        • David

          My download in China is more along the line of 10-20K with bursts of 200k and slow downs of zero for long periods. A 40 minute American show can take 40 minutes to download or 6 hours.depending on a lot, including if my VPN is being attacked by the great firewall.

          • Myk

            Same here, with the maximum available speed for my building acc. to China Telecom of 6M. Not sure if having 10M or more would change anything, as you say, due to a multitude of reasons. There also seems to be sharp decline in speed every day around 6pm, when the neighbors go online.

          • Irvin

            Have someone call your ISP, even the rural ones(changcheng, tietong) which is what I use is 10m minimal now, they upgrade it for free when I renew my contract. If you’re using China Telecom or Unicom there’s no reason why it should be any less.

          • David

            I don’t know anybody who is getting that kind of speed in
            China over a VPN. If I was only interested in surfing
            Chinese websites maybe (I don’t know). Granted I don’t
            know everybody in China (maybe only a hundred people)
            but another teacher I work with (American who has been
            here for 6 years) has a PhD in computer science
            understands these things better than and he gets about the
            same speed as I get here in Wuxi. My provider (who I just changed from China Unicom to China Mobile when I
            moved last month) says everything is wonderful lol wow,
            good to know. I am sure the bottle neck is the VPN but I am
            using a different one than I used last year and getting the
            same results.

          • Irvin

            It’s probably the VPN then, you can turn the vpn off for torrents and turn it back on for facebook and youtube.

      • Teacher in China

        If you’re savvy enough to stream stuff, it’s not a massive step up to torrents. It ain’t rocket surgery.

  • narsfweasels

    “If domestic movies and television were interesting, who would choose to watch subtitled or dubbed American TV shows”

    Amen to that. The only good thing on Chinese TV was that “My Own Swordsman” comedy show. That finished a while ago, and now all I see are domestic dramas and pro-CCP war serials. Without the Walking Dead streaming on Baidu, I’d have to wait for it to come out on my illegal satellite hookup.

  • Robin

    Actually he said: 務民之義,敬鬼神而遠之,可謂知矣。
    Devoting yourself in the utmost to the righteous human conduct, respecting the ghosts and spirits and thereby keep them at bay, this can be called knowledge.

    Or perhaps you were thinking of: 子不語怪,力,亂,神。
    The Master does not discuss oddities, (physical) power, rebellion, or the spirits.

    • ScottLoar

      In this context I suggest 亂 means chaos, i.e. a complete lack of order, and not rebellion.

      No, I’m not trying to bait your knowledge which is evident.

      • Robin

        亂 could defiantly mean chaos here, in fact it does, but often in pre-Qin texts (which is debatable in the case of Analects) it refers to the sociopolitical chaos of rebellion, as opposed more general chaos 混, 混沌.

        And given the time period in which Kongzi lived, it is not so much that he didn’t discuss chaotic events (often that’s exactly what he’s addressing), but:

        1. dealing with or controlling bizzare and often demonic forces (怪)
        2. rule through physical power i.e. military force (力)

        3. instigating rebellion (亂)

        4. and interaction with divine entities (神)

  • linette lee

    Oh No!! What the China Chinese going to do now they ban American shows? Poor them. They have no choice and now stuck with boring China CCTV shows. So sad! lol.
    China don’t want their people to get influenced by outside world through their televisions and movies. How pathetic.

    • Irvin

      Ah linette, talking outta her ass again.

  • rollin wit 9’s

    Once they start censoring what goes into the dvd shops, then we are in trouble! Otherwise, all shows can be kopped there!

    • Irvin

      The dvd shops here all sell pirates, you think they cared about a little censorship?

  • simon

    the living dead is especially sensitive because in a sense Rick Grimes and his team are a projection of the CCP fighting the inevitable mass horde “chinese” in a losing battle for control.

    dig a little deeper people, the truth is out there.

  • Markus Peg

    Shows to be affected: ‘House of Cards’ ‘Modern Family’ and ‘The Walking Dead’
    BBC ‘Sherlock’ <<<< NOOOO!

    SCMP news has revealed a Sino Weibo survey showed 95.2 per cent of nearly 120,000
    users were against the tighter controls, claiming that it impinged on
    their freedom of choice. The other 4.8 per cent have given the policies
    the nod while waving their red flags, claiming that the shows "don’t
    suit our national sentiment.”

  • commander

    I was wondering if circulating unsnaitized versions of American shows is possible via underground sites bypassing regulatory oversight.

    Up to now, no Amercian entertainment programs has been made targeting primarily for Chinese audience.

    But given the fact that China is the most populous country in the world with about 1.3 billion and its entertainment market has wignessrd its size grow exponentially, American productions mainly for people in mainaln China may take place sooner or later.

  • Foreign Devil

    I fail to see why Hollywood would be worried about this. It is not as if anybody in China is actually paying Hollywood to watch these TV series.

  • Foreign Devil

    Having worked a bit in the Chinese film and TV, It is not just political but also cultural concerns. They don’t want Chinese culture inundated by foreign shows. . this includes Korean made shows. This is especially true with animations. The CCP spends huge amounts of investment trying to build up domestic animation studios. But usually end up shooting themselves in the foot by watering down the animation with censorship and “politically correct” guidelines that ensure that only the most banal and garbage animation gets produced and shown domestically.

    • Insomnicide

      They’re already too late with all the mindless Korean soap opera dramas flooding the country. Actually, that’s a problem that affects more than China.

      • T.V.

        China stopped showing all Korean dramas on TV. Everything’s on-line now. Plus Chinese TV stations now buy rights to reproduce Korean shows into Chinese versions. Chinese would be shocked if they knew how many those shows shown on TV were actually originally from Korean TV.

        • Insomnicide

          Chinese historical dramas are as Chinese as it gets. And modern dramas, there’s a few that’s Korean but most are adapted from Chinese online novels.

          There’s more people watching Korean drama than Chinese reproduced Korean drama. There’s more native Chinese dramas than Korean reproduced ones.

  • steviewah

    Perhaps the CCP should focus more on producing better shows than banning foreign media. Scratch that, the CCP should stop supporting propaganda pieces altogether and let people in China produce what they want to produce. So much creativity is thrown out the window because of this. HK had an amazing film industry in the 80s and 90s, but now this produce garbage so they can cater to the CCP. Really sad, because I grew up watch tons of HK cinema.

  • Womanizer

    lol

  • Nex

    US TV shows might as well not exist and even if you gave China filmmakers a billion dollars to make a one it will still fail at basic storytelling which isn’t yet another special effect spamming Wuxia/ROTK literature remake.

    -One Overseas Chinese

  • sudon’t

    I’ve always found it interesting how so-called Communist governments are often much more prudish than non-atheist governments. Where does this moralizing come from, if not religion? What is the basis for it?

    • Matt

      A society doesn’t need to be religious in order to be morally conservative. Poorer countries are almost always more socially conservative than wealthier countries. Alternatively, the West and its cultural satellites tend to be far more socially liberal than non-Western countries. Morality is something that transcends even religion.

      FYI: http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/04/15/global-morality/

      • sudon’t

        Right, I agree that morality is somewhat innate. But what I wonder is, where do atheistic governments derive their justification, or authority for it? Have they developed a philosophy for why, for instance, a woman can’t expose her breasts? Otherwise, these laws are just arbitrary, and open to question. In the west, and other traditional societies, they point to their scriptures as an ultimate source.

        • Matt

          The entire world has been influenced by Abrahamic moral standards, such that even those who do not adhere to such religions are still aware of its omnipresence. Much of Europe is irreligious or even atheist, but that doesn’t mean atheist women walk bare-breasted in the streets. Eventually, the isolated tribes of the Amazon, once they come into contact with the rest of the world, even if they don’t convert to Christianity, will feel a sense of peer-pressured shame and cover up as well. Western imperialism had a permanent cultural legacy on the entire world.

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