Pulling the Ponytails of Korean, Japanese, and Chinese Girls

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At time of translation, this was the #1 most popular microblog post of the past 24 hours on popular Chinese social network Sina Weibo…

From Sina Weibo:

@别过来你胖到我了: In Korea, when a boy pulls the hairband off a girl’s ponytail from behind, the girl will say: What are you so childish, oppa, give it back!” In Japan, when a boy pulls the hairband off a girl’s ponytail, the girl will say: “Does this hairstyle look bad to you? I’ll change my hairstyle then.” In China, when a boy pulls the hairband off a girl’s ponytail, the girl will say: “Motherfucker, do you want to fucking die? You stand right where you are and I guarantee I won’t beat you to death!”

From Sina Weibo:

Cannibal_OwO:

The first boy who pulled off a hairband is Daniel Wu, the second one is Wang Sicong [a fu er dai, the son of Chinese billionaire Wang Jianlin], and the third one was Guo Degang?

白蔷公子:

Kimchi girl, sakura girl, and Heavenly Kingdom man. [呵呵]

蘑菇武士:

Soft kimchi girl, cute Nippon girl, and Heavenly Kingdom manly woman.

时不知桑:

Pull off? Getting a rubber band/hairband off is really hard! My hand will have just barely touched her head and a slap is already coming my way! “Who said you could touch my hairdo?!”

Super大七:

What is this about guys who play football being handsome or guys who play basketball being handsome, that’s all bullshit. As long as you’re handsome, you can can TM play marbles and still be handsome, while those who are ugly can play golf and still look like they’re shoveling shit. What is this about girls who are gentle being charming or girls who don’t wear makeup being pure and refreshing, that’s all bullshit. As long as you’re pretty, you TM can sell tofu and still be called the Xi Shi of Tofu, while those who are ugly can be playing the violin and still look like they’re having a seizure. I TM see through/have had enough of this world.

林暮朝-小媒婆:

But often with the third kind, the guy will actually like her even more and insist on pulling her hair tie off, and the more he is beaten/slapped, the happier he is. [思考]

元气少女糯米丸:

When I was in primary school, I really did beat up a boy for this, then in shame and resentment, he said: “if you have the guts, don’t leave after school!”, then after school, I beat him up one more time. [呵呵]

masakibaby:

Actually, it doesn’t matter if it is China, Japan, or Korea… how [the girl] responds depends on the boy’s face [looks].

一颗摇滚的苹果:

If it is a handsome: Oh you’re so annoying, you’re so bad, give it back [in a flirtatious whiny voice]. [呵呵] If it is an ugly cunt: What are you doing? What’s wrong with you? I’m going to beat you to death. [拜拜]

沙漠那边是绿洲:

Just goes to show that women in China have higher social status than the women in Korea and Japan.

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  • Rick in China

    This is one of the most popular microblog posts?

    What the f’ is interesting about it. It’s a really *stupid* anecdote, and deserves no attention. Waste of time.

    • Kai

      It plays on stereotypes, positive ones of Koreans and Japanese and negative ones of themselves (Chinese). It’s reminds people of commonly shared experience from their childhood or youth, of how boys might tease girls, and how that teasing is sometimes how kids expressed liking each other.

      There are interesting comments about what might influence how the girl reacts, that it isn’t really a difference between nationalities but about whether or not the girl fancies the boy. Some of the comments are funny, some anecdotal and nostalgic, others cynical.

      It reveals a lot of various things about how various Chinese people regard their own society, and life. Some you might already know, some you might not, some which are always interesting to be reminded of because we’ve forgotten about them.

      If nothing else, it can also be a light-weight segway into the weekend. I checked, this was popular (#1) I think two days ago.

      • Rick in China

        If that’s the meat of the post, and the reasoning for it’s popularity, that’s just emphasis for my point.

        It’s not insightful, revealing, or interesting whatsoever from where I’m sitting. This type of nonsense has been portrayed in thousands, tens of thousands, or more tv shows, movies, or whatever form of media or more over decades, and has absolutely nothing interesting to add this time around. If posts could burn, I’d wish this one would, it’s the definition of wasted bandwidth.

        • Kai

          That’s what I speculate to be various reasons for why it resonated with a lot of Chinese netizens on Sina Weibo.

          I understand you may have just wanted to broadcast how it doesn’t resonate with you and how all of that is nonsense to you. I just chose to contribute my perspective in case it might help others appreciate the post in different ways.

          • Rick in China

            Yeah – I get that.. it’s just so ultra cliche nonsense to me. That’s all.

          • MonkeyMouth

            Kai…. are you in reality, Dr Phil???????

          • Kai

            Nope, I don’t have a mustach, or a TV show, and I have hair.

          • MonkeyMouth

            if there was a Kai Show, i would watch. Dr Kai…
            if you read the second paragraph of your post in a Dr Phil voice, you may chuckle…..

          • Kai

            I’m too stupid (or lazy, but probably both) to get a doctorate. I actually can’t really imagine a Dr. Phil voice because I’ve only ever flipped past his show and never watched it, so I don’t really remember how he sounds.

        • Oh no!

          Something stupid on the Internet!

          They said this was going to happen, and now it finally has!

          • Rick in China

            Thanks for adding to “Something stupid on the Internet!”, Matt.

            The point is – a site one frequents, giving criticism to shitty content allows the site operators to improve the content, should they choose to do so. It’d be better if there was a feature to, say, vote on the interest or ‘like’ the topics, however, that doesn’t exist, so all we can do is post. If you don’t recognise a comment like mine as being nothing more than an attempt to voice one reader’s view on the topic being a shitty selection, and a comment on the stupidity/naivety/rehashery of something like that being popular in the Chinese netosphere..and feel the need to chime in with a ridiculous useless comment as yours was, then you’re part of the problem, not the solution. Thanks Matt, you’re a winner!

          • The point of chinaSMACK isn’t to show insightful, revealing, or interesting things from where you’re sitting. It’s to show whatever Chinese netizens are talking about. This is something they’re talking about, and hence its presence. If you want to construct your own little bubble where you’re only confronted with things you’re already interested in, then by all means, campaign away. There are plenty of websites that do indeed allow you to filter out everything you don’t want to hear about. But that was never the purpose of chinaSMACK, and when new articles are posted practically every single day of the year for free, I think it’s kind of silly to protest every time a story isn’t about domestic tragedies or international saber-rattling. I personally think the last article about Chinese netizens calling to wipe out Japan was even more stupid than pulling girls’ pigtails, but that’s just me.

          • Rick in China

            Oh? Thanks, comment police. I didn’t realize your side-job was to attempt to crush commenters who think an article is shit with your “This is the purpose of ChinaSMACK! Son!” nonsense. Quite frankly, I don’t give two fucks about your opinion about the intention of a forum on a website you don’t control, nor do I think it’s even remotely within your purview to attempt to police people who step outside of your bounds of posting dislike for a particular type of post. If a post saying essentially “I think this is a stupid topic” is unacceptable and readership of a site that gets its income, hence sustainability on the internet, from advertising — then moderators and/or site operators are free to ban me, just as I..am free to post that I think this article is childish and beyond boring. Maybe you should let them do their jobs.

            My intention is improvement of the articles, many of which I like. Your intention is what? I don’t even know, aside from behaving like a Chengguan who doesn’t realise his own power is nothing more than that of a wannabe-bully. Move on, Matt, you..like this article, bore me.

          • I knew responding to one of your comments was a bad idea. I guess that’s why they call you Ricky McSourgrapes.

          • Rick in China

            Maybe you’ll learn one day Matt. I suppose it takes some people longer than others, a bit slow..perhaps? Sure look like it.

          • Kai

            Rick, how indignantly and aggressively you’re responding to @Matt:disqus suggests you do give two fucks about his opinion.

            He has the same “purview” to comment about your comments as you do commenting on cS content and other people’s comments here.

            His response to you doesn’t suggest he thinks your comment is unacceptable, just that it is disagreeable. He’s allowed to disagree and explain his disagreement just as you are allowed to dislike and explain your dislike of certain cS content.

            You have an interpretation of the content; others have their’s. Why is it that you accept readers discussing or debating about cS content at other times but not here?

            We allow criticism of our content for the same reason we allow arguably racist or inflammatory comments, because we think it is better for the community to debate such things rather than for us mods to just delete or ban them. You are not unaware of this, so you challenging us to ban you for expressing your dislike of certain content is disingenuous. You’re basically responding to criticism with a childish “so sue me” retort.

            Your intention is not simply “improvement of the articles”, it is ultimately “improvement of the articles IN MY EYES”. You are intelligent and deep down know the distinction between these two things. You are smart enough to know that cS serves a wide audience for which you are not the final word. You also know exactly what Matt is saying about our editorial mission explicitly seeking to give a glimpse of what Chinese netizens are talking about instead of what our readers may want to read about.

            You are being confronted with a valid point and reacting immaturely by throwing a tantrum.

            Edit: Matt really slams his point home here.

          • Rick in China

            Would you really expect anything less from a snarky flaimbait response, as such? Please, consider this rhetorical, I’m guessing another long analytical finger-wag but would prefer none.

          • Kai

            I wouldn’t really describe your response to Matt as “snarky flamebait”…

          • Rick in China

            No, Kai. Matt’s initial reply. The one that started the snowball down the hill, was absolutely snarky flamebait in context of the conversation and history. I thought that was obvious given your whole post was directed at the ‘indignity and aggressiveness’ of _my posts_ (once again showing your wonderful objectivity), and I explained why the conversation happened as it did (ie. of course I replied as I did to snarky flamebait). In line with this explanation, I’d expect, out of consistency with your analysis, you’ll say that this is something along the lines of a childish and petty “he started it!” – yep.

          • Kai

            Sorry for my misunderstanding because, yes, I thought you were referring to your own response.

            As for my objectivity, I think your insinuation is a stretch. I don’t agree with how Matt responded to you, which is why I myself responded to you differently even though I also found your initial comment irksome (mainly because you regularly make such comments). I also don’t agree with your reaction to him, because this isn’t the first time you’ve reacted so harshly NOR are you unfamiliar with making snarky flamebait responses yourself.

            While I don’t think Matt should’ve fought fire with fire, that’s what he did. He reacted to YOUR initial comment. He felt you were being insulting and reacted in kind. Would you acknowledge that being a fair characterization of how that part of the conversation unfolded?

          • Rick in China

            Sort of. “He felt you were being insulting and reacted in kind” – insulting, to him? Or was he, as I implied in my response, taking it upon himself to stand-up for all ChinaSmack viewers against my horribly insulting comment about the story being cliche crap (in my opinion, of course. I’m sure someone somewhere found it utterly compelling and interesting, which is great). Now we have you coming in to defend Matt and how he felt.

            I acknowledge that I take part in flaming/flamebaiting occasionally and recognize my own posts, sometimes, as being irksome. I don’t pretend to be above that, like some. Some conversations are extremely interesting, and sometimes I, perhaps, shit on other less interesting (to me, yes, we all know it’s subjective), but I suppose that’s what forums are typically used for — no? Entertainment and/or discussion? I’d have guessed this would have been ignored as just that sort of thread, rather than churn itself into a reflection on a reflection on an admittedly out-of-boredom post.

          • Kai

            No, he doesn’t think you’re being insulting to him but perhaps to the site and the people behind the site.

            You can characterize his response as “taking it upon himself” or it can be characterized as him simply finding your comment disagreeable and unfair. We’ve all taken it upon ourselves to defend others by disagreeing with what we consider unfair criticism or a disagreeable opinion.

            I don’t get the feeling he’s defending “all ChinaSmack viewers”. I get the feeling he’s at best defending the site and most likely just irked with you coming across as self-entitled, thinking the site should anticipate and cater to your personal interests and bashing what doesn’t.

            Those of us behind the site will invariably be defensive of our work. That’s obvious. We’re gonna be biased. However, it is because there are people like Matt who can empathize with us that we don’t shrivel up from all the critics who feel they need to make their “disinterest” known to everyone and especially us. If we offended you, hurt you, did you wrong, then the feedback is totally warranted, even deserved. But all we did was fail to interest you? When you already know our mission isn’t to be interesting to specifically you?

            I think if you reflect from this perspective, you can empathize with our disagreement. It isn’t that we don’t sometimes find things uninteresting ourselves, or that we don’t share our disappointments, it’s just that there is such a thing as going too far in how you share your lack of interest and voice your disappointment. You can go so far that it crosses over into making you look self-entitled, like the world revolves around you, and you’re angry it didn’t. It’s like, whoa, is this THAT uninteresting to you that you have to get so angry about it? That you have to use expletives, emphasize certain negative words, and slam home the point with a final “waste of time”?

            This makes you seem awfully angry over something as inconsequential as failing to interest you. The angrier you seem, the more blame you seem to be projecting, when frankly, there is no one to be blamed.

            I’d like to think you now understand our perspective in this matter, acknowledge your part in it, and that there isn’t really anything else to argue over. I know you find me tedious especially when I expend so much effort to explain or argue my points. I know it’s like “nag nag nag”, but I think you’re adult enough to recognize fair objection and criticism. I appreciate you taking the time to hear me out, and I (we) know that if you didn’t like cS in general, you wouldn’t be one of the site’s old-timers like me. We just have different predispositions when it comes to voicing certain opinions.

          • ClausRasmussen

            >> Edit: Matt really slams his point home here

            Haha. When I first read it I thought it was stupid. Now I see he is dripping with sarcasm there.

      • DavidisDawei

        We are all indoctrinated in one way or another.
        OK, OK, I get it –
        “You are not Chinese, you would not understand”

        • MonkeyMouth

          Q: “(insert any question here)”
          A “This is China…its complicated. You would not understand.”

        • Kai

          I don’t understand your reply. I didn’t suggest anyone wouldn’t understand something because they aren’t Chinese.

          • DavidisDawei

            I was only having some fun with my comment…not a direct reply to what you wrote, but when I was reading your reply, it triggered a flashback….
            long story short,
            in reply to many of my queries in China, the reply I would often get is “you would not understand”

          • Kai

            Thanks for the clarification. More often than not, that’s just the response they give when they’re too lazy or incapable of trying to explain something. There are conceivably things about Chinese culture or life that may require you to have actually lived through it or live in it daily to truly empathize with, but I think most people can “understand” or at least “sympathize” with most things if someone is willing and able to explain and they’re willing to put themselves as much as they can in the other person’s shoes.

    • MonkeyMouth

      yup. agree with the Rickster….
      btw….i had a ‘peep’ the other day…thought of you…..

    • Stefan

      There is not so much happening in China every day, that’s why.

  • moop

    i’m surprised guo meimei getting arrested hasnt made it one here yet

    • Kai

      Hah, yeah, I heard that this morning too. I just checked, there’s a Weibo trending topic for it: http://hot.weibo.com/topic/1250030?order=0&from=hotweiboright

      …but I don’t think a lot of netizens are talking about it. Maybe they’re just sick of her. Shrug, we’ll see.

      • mr.wiener

        I know I’m sick of her.

        • Boris

          I don’t keep up to date with celebs and gossip like you young cool kids. Why are you sick of her and what is she?

    • free my nigga guo meimei 2014

    • MonkeyMouth

      doooooooooooo tell!

  • Maio

    Reading all the cursing from the supposed Chinese girl was kinda funny. I liked the expression: 你妈是不是活腻了 (something like: are you f*ing fed up with your life?).

    • Kai

      Hah, yeah, it’s kinda like 죽을래?!

  • guest

    This is sad.

  • bang2tang

    lol, reaction depends on look.

    • wafflestomp

      No, depends on how much money the guy has.

  • tomoe723

    “Just goes to show that women in China have higher social status than the women in Korea and Japan.”

    Somehow, I find this so true….

    • ChuckRamone

      Or they are more domineering.

      • tomoe723

        Also, despite the fact that traditionally, male offspring was generally preferred… and that sordid belief that girl babies are thrown away or euthanized…

    • MonkeyMouth

      i find it bizarrely true as well. I like living in a country where women are soooooooooooo superior….

      • tomoe723

        You like your women on top? Haha.

        • MonkeyMouth

          yes, absolutely…….

    • yantao

      I’m sorry but sentence: “Motherfucker, do you want to fucking die?” showing just primitivism and lack of culture and in this sphere I will see the difference between Korean/Japanese and Chinese girls.

      • tomoe723

        It may appear primitive and lack of culture to you, but to some, it’s comparable to the “tsundere” attitude in japanese anime.

  • Nova_REMIX

    Haaaaa. I can relate to the Chinese one.

    • ClausRasmussen

      Me too. Chinese girls may look pretty and sweet, but they have razor sharp tongues

      • Nova_REMIX

        Goals. Lol

  • Wodowsan

    And the American woman will have you arrested for sexual assault.

  • Well done, chinese girls!

  • masonman

    Actually Canadian women and American women are quite similar in their attitude of “all men are sexist, bigoted, pigs/rapists”

    • mr.wiener

      …aren’t we?!

      • MonkeyMouth

        you’re an aussie…. what do the women in Oz do? buy you a Cooper’s?

        • mr.wiener

          Trip me over and beat me to the ground usually.
          Thank you for saying coopers , not fosters. This proves you are a person of good taste.

          • MonkeyMouth

            oh, yes…Cooper’s is the the only way to go. and they make Vegemite off the scrapings, dont they?
            Been to OZ before… Gimme Boags, Toohey’s….anything but piss Fosters

    • bang2tang

      all men are “sex”ist lol

  • Markoff

    1) Korean rational/westernized
    2) submissive
    3) bossy bitches/dominas

    although I don’t think it really reflects reality, you could find 1st and 3rd type everywhere, 2nd would be very rare even in Japan nowadays I think so

  • MonkeyMouth

    drivel…… this is the dumbest post in long a while… and yaya…i know its not cS’s fault…

  • MonkeyMouth

    in canada your hand would stick to it…a la tongue on the flagpole

  • MonkeyMouth

    lets get serious….this post may be from 1980. in 2014, the Japanese girl would dress up in a school uniform and poop on you

  • Probotector

    What’s this need to catagorise people’s nationality based on how they’d react to something so ridiculous and childish being done to them? Surely any chick, regardless of where she came from, wouldn’t like it if some twat messed up her doo for shits ‘n giggles.

    • Kai

      Dude, you categorize people’s nationality based on how they’d react to stuff all the time on cS…

      http://www.chinasmack.com/2014/pictures/map-of-japan-with-mushroom-clouds-chinese-netizen-reactions.html#comment-1481500280

      • Probotector

        Here comes Kai, trolling. You can’t even compare this with that comment. Saying how (some/most) Chinese people do this or that, on a forum about China is not the same as this article, or this one for that matter:

        http://www.chinasmack.com/2010/stories/japanese-vs-chinese-women-comparison.html.

        I’m not the one saying “Koreans are like this, Chinese are like that…” in fact I seldom even mention other nationalities because they’re often irrelevant. What are you even talking about? Are you saying that having an opinion on China that you don’t like is tantamount to prejudice and stereotyping?

        • Kai

          Please don’t misuse words. Pointing out your hypocrisy is not “trolling”.

          Categorizing people’s nationality is “generalizing” or “stereotyping”. Chinese netizens do it, and so do you, so when you criticize Chinese people for doing it, you open yourself up to valid criticisms of hypocrisy.

          I do believe you are prejudiced and like before, I’ll just point to your comment history, (oh, which you’ve unfortuantely made private now).

          • Probotector

            It’s not hypocrisy. To talk about the majority of a group of people behaving in a certain way is not evil or prejudiced if it’s correct, and the majority of Chinese do hate Japan. Don’t give me your liberal politically correct bullshit that says I’m a racist because I criticise China, and I’m hardly the only one who does it. Even your fellow mod Mr. Weiner did it the other day (not to impugn his work). You really must get off this morally self-righteous high horse of yours. If one cannot make a comment that others don’t like sometimes, how can there ever be any debate?

          • Kai

            1. Criticizing others for generalizing while generalizing yourself is hypocrisy. That you believe such generalizations are “correct” is irrelevant. The hypocrisy is in the act.

            2. I never said you’re racist because you criticize China. I’ve said you’re prejudiced given HOW you criticize China. Big difference. I don’t think you’re stupid enough to get them confused, so you framing the matter this way suggests dishonesty.

            3. I never said you’re the only one who criticizes China and you not being the only one doesn’t make how you do so unassailable.

            4. We all criticize China. I do it too, not just mr.wiener. There are differences in how people do it. I feel you consistently do so in arguably prejudiced ways. Again, I’d welcome people to review your comment history to judge for themselves, but you’ve intentionally hidden it from the public.

            5. It’s also hypocritical to criticize me as “getting off” of a “morally self-righteous high horse” when so many of your comments can also be characterized as you getting on a morally self-righteous high horse. We can both be accused of it. What now?

            6. Your last sentence is ridiculous. Me disagreeing with you or criticizing some aspect of your behavior on cS doesn’t mean I’m trying to deprive you of your freedom to “make a comment that others don’t like”. I do more than any other moderator on cS to have comments others don’t like preserved instead of deleted. Can you please refrain from making dishonest arguments like this?

          • Probotector

            In that case you, have your own opinions and I’ll have mine. btw, what’s wrong with making my comment history private? You seem so disappointed that you can’t ‘shame’ me anymore.

          • Kai

            I’ve pointed to your comment history in order to substantiate my criticisms of you. You making it private makes it harder for people to judge the validity of my criticisms with their own eyes.

            I would only be “shaming” you if you on some level feel ashamed of your past commenting behavior.

          • Probotector

            Oh please, you sound like you’re trying to start a flame war.

          • Kai

            A “flame war”? Dude, you’re misusing words again. Responding to a question and accusation is not “trying to start a flame war”. You asked me a question and I answered. You suggested a reason for why I’ve pointed to your comment history and I’ve explained what my actual reason is.

            It would only be shaming people if that’s your intention, which is what it comes off as

            Again, my intention is to substantiate what I’m saying. If I say you behave in a certain way, the burden of proof is on me to demonstrate that you have behaved in that way. It would only be “shaming” you if you felt the proof I point to brings you shame.

            If I intended to bring you shame, but the proof I point to doesn’t bring you shame, then you wouldn’t feel like I’m “shaming” you. Your characterization of what I’m doing is ultimately colored by how you interpret and feel about my pointing to proof of my criticism.

            as if to find ammunition to use in their berating of other commemorators that they don’t like.

            You mean like how you point to cS content (Chinese articles and comments) and otherwise to use as ammuniation to berate the Chinese you don’t like?

            Dude, every valid criticism and argument requires “ammunition” aka “evidence” or “substantiation”. I have to prove my point. Otherwise, it’s just calling people names. I don’t want to just call people names. If I accuse someone of something, I’m going to prove it.

            If you don’t want to be accused of something, don’t give others the ammunition to use against you.

            I know you understand this on some level, which is why you’ve made your comment history private. However, that ultimately suggests you want to say whatever you want however you want and minimize being held accountable for doing so. Whereas others might defend or express regret for what they’ve said and done in the past, you choose to hide. Don’t get me wrong, you are not unique in choosing to hide and–hell–I’m sure we’re all guilty of it at various points in our lives (because we’re just that embarrased or ashamed), but it is still a decision you’ve made that reflects upon your character.

            it’s our reasons our own business.

            Kinda like how Chinese people say something is an “internal/domestic matter”? Not a very compelling excuse or defense against outside criticism.

            When you scrutinize others, you have to expect being scrutinized in return.

            I know you feel persecuted right now. Try to understand how you’ve necessarily played a part in bringing it upon yourself, as we all do. If any part of you recognizes that the specific criticisms I’ve made against you are valid, then consider changing yourself to avoid those criticisms being true in the future. If you think the criticisms I have and the evidence I point to are invalid, then continue defending yourself. We’ll debate. That’s the nature of disagreement in a shared space.

          • Alex Dương

            It is hypocrisy. In this article, you are arguing against categorizing (i.e. generalizing or stereotyping) people specifically in the case of “how they’d react to something so ridiculous and childish being done to them.” The reasoning is that “any chick, regardless of where she came from, wouldn’t like it if some twat messed up her doo for shits ‘n giggles.”

            I agree with that. Yet, in many other articles, not only do you generalize, but you also defend your generalizations as “correct.” You can protest that you are making generalizations based on more “serious” issues, but you are still generalizing.

          • Probotector

            How is is it wrong to talk about how the majority of people in a given group think or act, especially if there’s evidence to support it? To pick up on the comment that Kai was referring to, the majority of Chinese do hate Japanese, that is a widely accepted fact. Am I being unfair by saying this? Moreover, if I said something positive as a generalisation, for example “most Chinese girls are beautiful”, I am still generalising, but I doubt you’d have an issue with that.

          • Alex Dương

            How is is it wrong to talk about how the majority of people in a given group think or act, especially if there’s evidence to support it?

            In many cases, I’d say the video that’s the topic of this article is as good as the “evidence” that supports your generalizations. Rarely can you actually point to a survey that would show something like most Chinese don’t have favorable attitudes towards Japan (and vice versa). That aside, you are sidestepping the point: in this case, you are arguing against generalizations; but in other cases, you yourself frequently generalize. In fact, it’s even stronger than that: you dismiss generalizing in this case using the same argument that Kai and I would use against your generalizations.

          • Probotector

            Okay, let me clarify my original post. I was referring more to how much a pointless waste of time it is for people to care about how girls from different countries would react to having their hair pulled, and then call this useful knowledge on how these nationalities differ or are similar. If one wants to speak generally about people, it’s okay with me, as long as it can be supported.

          • Alex Dương

            That’s quite a different way to look at it, as your clarification omits your original reasoning for why this would not be “useful knowledge”: “Surely any chick, regardless of where she came from, wouldn’t like it if some twat messed up her doo for shits ‘n giggles.”

          • Probotector

            I don’t see the problem here. I’m saying that it’s pointless and uninteresting to try to determine traits of a girl’s nationality based on what would happen if her hair were messed up, because… surely any chick, regardless of where she came from, wouldn’t like it if some twat messed up her doo for shits ‘n giggles. This experiment, for lack of a better world, doesn’t need to be done because the premise is ridiculous.

          • Alex Dương

            I’m saying that it’s pointless and uninteresting to try to determine traits of a girl’s nationality based on what would happen if her hair were messed up, because… surely any chick, regardless of where she came from, wouldn’t like it if some twat messed up her doo for shits ‘n giggles.

            And I agree with that. But in many of your previous comments, you dismiss this very reasoning when you defend your generalizations.

          • Probotector

            Look, one can say the fact that a Chinese person comes from China might have an impact on the way they think and behave, especially when you consider the ethnocentric thinking, the culture of saving face and the occasional brainwashing that exist here. Now, this is also true for many other countries, including yours and mine. Is it everyone who is affected? No, but it is the majority. This judgement has value, because there’s truth in it and it’s something worth talking about that affects others.

            Conversely, nationality would hold no bearing on how a chick reacts to having her hair pulled, because this is something that social conditioning, education, culture, upbringing etc. hold no bearing over. The typical reaction would be annoyance or anger, be the girl Chinese, Korean, whatever. Therefore it’s a pointless argument.

          • Alex Dương

            Of course there are cultural differences. That’s not in dispute. What I dispute is when you claim a behavior is typical of Chinese when it is actually, in your own words, “something that social conditioning, education, culture, upbringing etc. hold no bearing over.”

            “Saving face” is a perfect example. You often use it as an example of a “Chinese behavior.” Well, do you not care about how others see you or think of you? Do you not care about your credibility or your reputation? In fact, let’s take this beyond you: who wouldn’t care about how others see or think of him? Who wouldn’t care about his credibility or reputation?

          • Probotector

            “What I dispute is when you claim a behavior is typical of Chinese when it is actually, in your own words, “something that social conditioning, education, culture, upbringing etc. hold no bearing over.””

            That depends on the situation. Of course it’s not always true, and sometimes it is true.

            “who wouldn’t care about how others see or think of him? Who wouldn’t care about his credibility or reputation?”

            Anyone who’s not insecure or who has an ounce of temperance.

          • Alex Dương

            Anyone who’s not insecure or who has an ounce of temperance.

            Exactly. So “saving face” is really a human thing, not a Chinese thing in particular.

          • Probotector

            Yes, but the cultural emphasis on the need to save face, is a distinctly Chinese thing, (although it may be distinct in other cultures as well). What are we really discussing here? In all societies there is a majority who think in a particular way, often for worse, sometimes for better, including in China. Don’t you have general opinions at least sometimes about the majority of people in the country you live in?

          • Alex Dương

            The issue with your last question is that, IMO, it’s the start of a slippery slope defense of generalizations. For example, I personally oppose affirmative action, or what you Brits would call positive discrimination. In my discussions on this topic, I often criticize those who support the policy for generalizing Asian Americans. A common defense of these generalizations is “well, some generalizations are true; black people like watermelon, for example.”

            That is, benign verifiable generalizations are used to defend malign, much less-verifiable generalizations. That’s quite a jump.

          • Kai

            Anyone who’s not insecure or who has an ounce of temperance.

            And you’re saying this as a guy who has made his comment history private? Who fears his comment history is being used to “shame” him? Who may therefore arguably be insecure and lacking “an ounce of temperance”?

            You repeatedly criticizing “Chinese behavior” as “saving face” because they are insecure is not only hypocritical but also a great example of you being guilty of the same thing you accused me of earlier:

            You really must get off this morally self-righteous high horse of yours.

          • Probotector

            OMG! You’re really pissed you can’t see my comments aren’t you?

          • Kai

            No, I just find it irksome when you are disingenuous, dishonest, and/or hypocritical.

            BTW, I as a moderator can still see your entire comment history. It is only other commenters who can’t. If I really need to use your past comments to prove something, I can easily find and link to them. I just think it more convenient to prove my point if I only had to refer others to your comment history. Therefore, there isn’t really anything for me to be “pissed” about because I haven’t suffered any real loss.

            Like I said before:

            If you don’t want to be accused of something, don’t give others the ammunition to use against you.

          • Kai

            Who exactly is seriously trying to ” determine traits of a girl’s nationality based on what would happen if her hair were messed up”? Who exactly is is doing this “experiment”?

            The Chinese netizens all implicitly understand this to be a juxtaposition of stereotypes intended to be self-deprecating humor. Where exactly are you getting this read from?

  • BillBo

    I don’t understand the connotations between the different countries here, can anyone explain??? This seems pretty odd to me.

  • David

    I believe the Chinese netizens are calling the Chinese girls reaction mannish, thus saying how tough they are.

  • tomoe723

    it’s not only china.. black women think that too.. and in some other asian countries as well.

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