Residents Buy Speakers to Yell At Noisy Public Plaza Dancers

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Throughout China, groups of usually older women can regularly be seen gathering in squares, parks, and other empty spaces to dance, usually during the evenings. The leader of the group will bring a portable sound system and speaker to play music while the others line up in rows and follow the dance movements of the leader. In recent years, gatherings near residential buildings have encountered complaints by residents who say their music is too loud. One of the most famous incidents involved human excrement being thrown at a group of dancers by an angry resident.

On popular Chinese web portal NetEase, this is the 4th most commented article of the week. The top 3 are all related to the Wen Zhang infidelity scandal.

From NetEase:

Over 600 Residents Contribute 260,000 Yuan to Buy “Loudspeaker” To Counter Public Plaza Dancing Aunties

Throwing feces, firing warning shots, releasing Tibetan Mastiffs… to fight public plaza dancing, all sorts of strange things have frequently happened in various places.

After multiple attempts at negotiations have failed, the residents of Xinguoguang Residential Plaza in Wenzhou have spent their hard-earned savings. They’ve spent 260,000 yuan to buy a “loudspeaker” to broadcast at the same time as music is played in the plaza. The residents say this is what they’ve resorted to when there are no other recourse.

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Plaza dancing aunties forced into retreat by the broadcasted admonishments

“Please comply with the People’s Republic of China Law on the Prevention of Environmental Noise Pollution. Immediately stop illegal behavior!” This phrase echoed in the air above the Songtai Plaza in Wenzhou after a brief burst on the afternoon of March 29th.

The sound had come from the 4th floor terrace of building C of Xinguoguang Residential Plaza across from Songtai Plaza. On the terrace was a shelf of 6 loudspeakers pointed at Songtai Plaza.

Starting from 2pm that day, “the admonishment” was broadcasted until past 5pm that evening. Some of the aunties [older middle-aged women] dancing in the public square could take it no more and one after another went home.

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Residents could no longer bear being disturbed by the dancing on the plaza

Xinguoguang Residential Plaza is located in urban Wenzhou city, separated from Songtai Plaza by Xinhe Street.

“When I bought this apartment, it was because I felt the surrounding environment was good being next to the plaza [Songtai],” said residential community committee director Mr. Wu. It has been over ten years since the residential complex was built. Back then, the number of people who participated in public plaza/square dancing were few, but in the recent two years, the problem has gotten worse and worse. “Starting from around 6am in the morning all the way until past 10pm at night, and at its largest, there are several hundred people dancing. The residents’ suffering cannot be put into words.”

One resident says his son will be taking the gaokao college entrance exam this year, but because it is too noisy at home, he moved his son to his elder sister’s home at the end of last year, so his child can study in peace and quiet.

“It’s especially bad for those who work night-shifts, just what are they supposed to do?” Mr. Wu said.

Residents have previously attempted to negotiate [with the aunties] many times, asking them to turn down the volume of the music, but have all been sent “scurrying” back.

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The noise has caused the residential neighborhood’s home values to drop

To avoid close-range confrontations, residents thought up “confrontation with long-range speakers”.

In October of last year, led by the residential community committee, the 600-some residents of Xinguaguang Residential Plaza collectively pooled together 260,000 yuan [~42,500 USD] to purchase a set of amplifiers to “counter” the public plaza dancing music.

This set is called a long-range directional amplified broadcasting system and it can broadcast sound concentrated towards one direction, maintaining acoustic intensity.

Such a professional system is normally used to disperse riots and for dispatch vehicles in disasters (earthquakes, floods, etc.). Very rarely is it purchased for private use.

“Some people might think it is very expensive, but compared to the intangible losses we have suffered, it is nothing,” said Mr. Wu. For peace and quiet, residents were very willing to contribute this amount of money.

He calculated that when they originally purchased their homes, each square meter in Xinguoguang Residential Plaza was four to five thousand yuan more expensive than the surrounding residential properties, and now it is difficult to sell even priced three to four thousand cheaper [than surrounding properties]. “Everyone knows it is noisy here.”

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Recommendation: Give “power to control the sound/volume” to the government

The relevant government department of Lucheng district [of Wenzhou] once compiled statistics that there are a total of over 900 groups of people organizing public plaza dancing in various plazas. Among them, Songtai Plaza is the most popular, with over 20 groups of people organizing there.

At the start of this year, the Lucheng district government released a “Public Plaza Dancing Public Agreement” that would be jointly enforced by departments such as the public security bureau, environmental protection bureau, and chengguan department.

However, in the eyes of Xinguoguang residents, this hasn’t been effective. This is like a game of cat and mouse. The moment law enforcement come, the aunties will lower the volume but then raise it again once they leave.

From the perspective of victims who have struggled with the public plaza dancing for years, residents offered a suggestion to the government departments: It would be best to divide the plaza into different sections, with public plaza dancing and karaoke in their own section and the park management department uniformly broadcasting the music according to the regulated decibel level. City residents can provide the music to be broadcasted, but cannot bring their own speakers.

Mr. Wu says fighting back [with their own loudspeakers] isn’t the goal, they just want to get the attention of government departments and find a scientific and reasonable resolution to this problem. “If it can’t be resolved, then in the future, when they [play their music], we’ll [broadcast our message].”

Comments from NetEase:

宇宙真理教政委尤里 [网易广西南宁市网友]:

All products of the Cultural Revolution.

网易广西桂林市网友 [牛村长PK毛主义]:

I suggest all the public plaza dancing aunties use wireless headphones, those with FM radio capability. This way they can dance and not affect surrounding residents. What more, FM radios aren’t expensive.

宁二牛 [网易北京市网友]: (responding to above)

Then how are they supposed to demonstrate how niubi they are?

网易广东省深圳市南山区网友 ip:219.134.*.*:

When one is enjoying themselves, one should also be considerate of others. Don’t make it so that in the end it becomes something the masses rise up against… [a public nuisance/enemy]

摸着石头捞鱼 [网易浙江省台州市网友]:

Recommend they broadcast an air-raid siren!!

宇宙真理教政委尤里 [网易广西南宁市网友]:

Recommend they broadcast 《忐忑》 [“Disturbed”, see below].

网易上海市手机网友(140.206.*.*):

It’s the same way downstairs where I live. I couldn’t bear the noise, so I had no choice but to join in. Now I’ve already become the dance leader!

网易黑龙江省牡丹江市手机网友 ip:221.206.*.*: (responding to above)

You traitor.

网易浙江省杭州市手机网友 ip:124.160.*.*:

Several decades ago, young people were on public plazas engaging in social dancing, not caring about how they impacted the elderly. Today, the elderly are on public plazas engaging in public plaza dancing, not caring about how they impact the young. Several decades ago, the young Red Guards were beating, smashing, looting, and burning, harming a bunch of elderly people. Now, some elderly are false injuring scamming, extorting people after they fell on their own, harming a bunch of young people… Now think carefully, actually it isn’t that old people have become bad, it is that bad people have become old.

利威尔 [网易广西贵港市手机网友]:

Thirty years ago it was them and thirty years later it is still them. Now they are exploiting their old age, selfish without regard for others, fucking shameless.

网易河南省周口市手机网友(1.194.*.*):

I don’t understand what the media is trying to hype by always reporting on the confrontations between public plaza dancing aunties and residents. This is clearly the responsibility of the government, for not establishing special activity centers for the elderly, having TM sold all the sites, instead of providing suitable facilities. We will all slowly become old [so we should be understanding of the aunties].

网易日本手机网友 ip:126.214.*.*: (responding to above)

When you’re old, you won’t be dancing. They’re the bunch of people from the Cultural Revolution, different from you.

网易广东省东莞市手机网友 ip:113.79.*.*:

Well done!

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From Sina:

Loudspeakers Purchased by Residents to Fight Back Against Public Plaza Dancing Dismantled, Dancers Promise to Reduce Noise

Beijing News report (Reporter Li Dandan, Intern Fan Xiaojie) — Recently, public plaza dancing has come under criticism, with conflicts occurring between people playing loud music from speakers in public spaces and nearby residents. In the past few days, the matter involving homeowners at Wenzhou’s Xinguoguang Building spending 260k of their own money to buy a loudspeaker system to fight back against the high-decibel music of the public plaza dancing aunties came to an end, with the loudspeaker system having already been dismantled the day before yesterday.

Yesterday, Xinguoguang property management committee director Wu Jiancong said the conflict between the neighborhood’s residents and the public square dancers has gone on for five to six years. The public plaza dancing also developed from first being one hour of calisthenics in the morning every day into “dancing from morning until night”. One of the residents is in the seafood business, working at night, only coming home to sleep at 5am. A little after 6am, just after falling asleep, the people dancing come and begin playing their music. The conflict between residents and members of public plaza dancers have gradually escalated, with arguments and pushing and shoving having happened many times in the past.

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  • Freddi BuBu

    What is this world coming to? We cannot have middle-aged ladies dancing en masse in the middle of a public square…..! lol

  • Probotector

    There’s a group of women who dance around in the evenings near where I live, and their speaker is so quiet, you can’t hear the music until you’re right upon it; much more considerate.

    • Gordon Gogodancer

      I believe something is wrong with their sound system :D

  • Insomnicide

    The red guard generation was truly an ignorant generation…their ways still effect the youth even today…

    • cantonizi

      In Canada we keep our birth rate at -0% growth, there’s a good reason for that you know.
      We here don’t want too much of the next generation to control our good life.

      • Womanizer (wanna bang?)

        hey it’s canada !

    • Probotector

      To be fair, the majority of Chinese are truly ignorant, regardless of age or demographic.

      • Insomnicide

        That’s very wrong, one might say blatantly decided on the account of personal Sinophobia and holds no ground in reality.

        • Probotector

          No it isn’t wrong. Are you seriously saying that the majority of Chinese people are well-educated, selfless, open-minded and have a strong moral compass? To label my comment as predetermined by sinophobia indicates a strong pro-China prejudice from yourself, which I find surprising, when considering your other comments on this story, which are mostly critical of their society.

          • Insomnicide

            While I agree there’s an unnecessary amount of ignorant people in China, to say they are the majority, especially on the account when there’s 1 billion of them…is wrong.

            I’m critical of the red guard generation, because I know people who grew up in the era, who suffered under the reign of zealous youth wielding the banner of destruction. A lot of problems in modern Chinese society can be contributed to that generation.

            There are many Chinese people who are well educated and open minded with a strong moral compass. There are many young people today waking up to the immorality and ignorance of their society. It seems to me that you just have yet to meet one.

          • Zappa Frank

            sincerely seems to me the usual complain about the new generations that every time comes out… since it is recurrent in human history probably some generations ago the world was a paradise with only good people well behaved and hard workers while in future it will be a living hell with just depraved and lazy people..

          • Insomnicide

            But see, they’re the problematic generation of our era.

            There might have been one before them, and one after them. But right now, they’re ones living and breathing. Red guards, baby boomers, they’re the ones controlling politics and business.

          • wnsk

            It seems strange to qualify ignorance by its “necessity” or lack thereof — perhaps you meant “inordinate” or “disproportionate” instead?

          • Insomnicide

            Disproportionate might be a better word but for many reasons, I expect people of the Chinese civilization to be better educated.

          • Zappa Frank

            although I agree that somehow a lot of Chinese seem to be without moral compass and have a really bad behavior on the other side we should see the whole picture. First consider that in some case they are just a product of a certain kind of environment, like eattot if you remember, I mean socially disturbed in our eyes .. but we should consider also other aspects where Chinese are better than us, like the lack of violence in their society, the respect for old people, the care for family’s members, the more or less respect for the public things (at least usually better than many western countries where graffiti become a for of ‘art’)..

          • wnsk

            this is certainly a much fairer statement.

          • Kai

            Lack of certain kinds of violence perhaps. There may be more of other kinds of violence. Same with “respect for the public things”. Maybe there’s less graffiti of a certain type (as art or “gang tagging”) but there’s plenty of littering, spray painted petty advertising, etc.

            That said, I really appreciate your point in response to Probotector’s comment.

          • Alex Dương

            To label my comment as predetermined by sinophobia indicates a strong pro-China prejudice from yourself, which I find surprising, when considering your other comments on this story, which are mostly critical of their society.

            It seems that people such as yourself don’t see any difference between statements like

            1. The Cultural Revolution destroyed Chinese morals.
            2. Lack of intellectual property rights in China will stifle innovation.

            and

            1. The majority of Chinese are ignorant.
            2. To hack and steal is the Chinese way.

            Apparently, all you see are four opinions without realizing that the first two have no connotations of prejudice whereas the last two are unabashedly prejudiced.

          • Kai

            Ignorance can be tied to education and perhaps how open-minded someone may be, but not to selflessness or “strong moral compass”. Not sure why you conflated those in except perhaps as a roundabout way of expanding your initial “criticism” (presented as an assertion). Very rarely are selfish or immoral people criticized as “ignorant”.

            To be fair, the majority of British are truly ignorant, regardless of age or demographic. I can point to any number of areas of knowledge where the majority of British are uneducated or lacking knowledge and information to prove this statement…

            …and it would still be sure to offend people. Knowing that, I don’t make such statements or “criticisms” much less proceed to defend them. The combination of vagueness of critique with specificness of target makes them easily interpreted as simple contempt and thus prejudice.

        • narsfweasels

          Sinophobia is the wrong word. “Racism” would be more appropriate (if “Chinese” were a race, which it isn’t)

          But I happen to agree with Probotector on this one – outside of a cohort of about 5-8 close family members, virtually every Chinese person I have met is almost completely unaware of the wants, needs, rights and yes, sometimes even EXISTENCE of other people around them.

          The roads, pathways, shops and supermarkets bear sad witness to this. Earlier on during my run (6k, like a boss) I saw an “Auntie” cycling hell-for-leather the wrong way down a busy side road. She was screaming for people to get out of her way, and when she finally crashed into somebody driving the right way along the road, she started smacking the poor woman with her vegetable bag.

          And that’s just one instance about one minute from my home. This is saying nothing of the cars parked on the pedestrian sidewalk, completely blocking access, or the motorcyclists haring through a red light because… why?

          There are any number of perfect examples of total ignorance of people around them in this country. Which is a shame, because when they care about you, your Chinese family will do anything for you… but still f*ck the rest of the world.

          • Probotector

            “Sinophobia is the wrong word. “Racism” would be more appropriate (if “Chinese” were a race, which it isn’t)”

            So that means ‘sinophobia’ is an appropriate word then? You’re contradicting yourself there.

          • wnsk

            If Chinese aren’t a “race”, then what the hell are they? How should we refer to this class of people then? Yellows? Mongoloids? Chinks? What?

          • Mateusz82

            They’re a nationality… since China is a country.

            How can you not know that? It’s like asking, “If Canadians aren’t a “race”, then what the hell are they?”

            Yellow would be for skin color (as opposed to white or black), Mongoloid for olde tyme race discussions (as compared to “Caucasoid”), and “Chinks” if you want to get into a fight… though that kinda depends on which Chinese ethnic group, of which there are 56 (you could try calling Tibetans, Uyghurs, Russians (as in the minority group), etc. “Chinks”, but it’d probably lead to more confusion than anything).

          • wnsk

            Perhaps I asked the wrong question. I should have asked, “What the hell is a race, then?”

            Of course I know it can be a nationality. What I really want to know is why “Chinese” can’t be a race as well. Yes, there are many different ethnicities who are citizens of China, but when we say “Chinese” (as a race), it’s understood we aren’t referring to these people. The term “Chinese” can, and in fact IS, used as a reference to race.

          • Mateusz82

            That is a bit better.

            I don’t see how Chinese can be a race, no more than Australian can be a race, or Canadian, or English. If Chinese are a race, then would a white Chinese be the same race as a yellow Chinese? Would a Han Chinese be the same race as a Russian Chinese?

            If you’re not referring to “these people”, then you’re excluding them from being Chinese due to their race. That’s engaging in ethnic nationalism. The British National Party uses this ideology.

            If it is used to refer to a race, but it’s used incorrectly, as much as using “American” as a race. Should “American” only refer to the “American race”, and anyone else is not really “American”? George W Bush is racially American, but Obama is just half-American and half-black. Or Larry Bird is American, but Jeremy Lin is just a yellow person living in America, not part of the American race. You see the absurdity, and racism, inherent in conflating nationality and race.

          • wnsk

            (Oh no, I got myself into an argument not relevant to the original article, again.)

            …I’m afraid I can’t respond to you. Not for lack of anything to say, but I just don’t know where’s the best place to start. I did think through a response (several, in fact), but I think…this is a complicated issue, and cannot be settled over a few sentences/paragraphs, and at the same time I don’t want to post up a 5000-word essay or something.

            So let’s just “agree to disagree.” Sorry, and thanks for your responses.

          • Paulos

            Yes, people often use the word “Chinese” to refer to the Han ethnicity, but @Mateusz82:disqus is correctly pointing out that this usage is ambiguous and possibly offensive depending on who you’re talking to. Still, like you said, it is common.

          • wnsk

            And I’m not denying it’s ambiguous. I’m saying it can mean one of two things (race or nationality); Mateusz is saying it should rightly mean only one thing (nationality.) Now if you read this carefully…what we are each saying does not necessarily contradict the other at all.

          • Chinese is not a race. It is a nationality, and nothing more. Han Chinese are an ethnic group. Race does not have anything to do with arbitrary national borders.

            Race, as I’m sure you’ve heard before, is a social construct. Differences in phenotype exist, but there are no clear-cut, scientifically valid distinctions between different races. It’s like the concept of different colors. There are not just one “red” and one “blue” and one “yellow”; there are infinite variations of hues, some of which are more alike than others, and some of which are intrinsically a mix of more primal elements.

            There is clearly a general set of phenotypes that correspond to what we think of as “East Asian”, so perhaps one could colloquially think of East Asians being a race, but again, the problem here is that there is scientifically no such thing as race. Biodiversity is a spectrum.

          • wnsk

            You can insist all you want, but I think currently in the world today, yours is the minority opinion. My identity card lists my race (not nationality) as Chinese, FFS.

            …at the end of the day, we’ll just be arguing about semantics, and there’s no real point to that.

          • It’s not about my “insistence”; it’s about science. Races do not scientifically exist, and that’s a fact. Political designations for purposes of national identification registry are not the ultimate authority in the field of anthropology.

            Most people cannot tell the difference between Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans. So they would think that East Asians––not Chinese––are a race.

            Many others––possibly the world’s majority––mindlessly think “Asians” are a race, meaning they would consider you to be the same race as Malays and Indians.

            At the end of the day, majority does not dictate truth, and even if it did, Chinese would still not be considered a race.

            And again, there’s a difference between Chinese and Han. If you mean Han, then say Han; do not say “Chinese”. It’s like the difference between “white Americans” (Han) and “Americans” (Chinese). You cannot say “American” and simultaneously exclude people like Barack Obama. White Americans can be considered an ethnic group analogous to Han Chinese.

          • wnsk

            …but what has science got to do with this? You said race is a social construct, and I agree. Yes, it might be confusing, because when I say I’m Chinese, do I mean my nationality or something else? But it’s a confusion that’s easily rectified. Americans who are Chinese are called Chinese-Americans. Their nationality is American, and their race is Chinese. A Tibetan is Chinese by nationality, and Tibetan by race.

            I don’t understand what you mean by “white American (Han)” because i understand “white” to be a race, and Han (Chinese) to be a race also.

            I know of course that race as a concept has its problems, but it’s also a fact that it’s still used, and people generally do not have too much trouble knowing what someone means when he says “my race is Chinese,” and hence on a superficial level it still works.

            I fail to see how/why people would think Chinese, Malays and Indians are the same race since generally we have different skin tones (not to mention different facial and bodily features), and skin colour is generally taken to be an indicator of race. In fact I do not know, or have even heard of, a single person who thinks this way.

          • Well I do not know, or have even heard of, a single person who that Chinese are a separate race. Practically all Chinese-Americans consider their race to be Asian or, if pressed to be more specific, East Asian. The Chinese-Americans I grew up with would not consider themselves to be a separate race from Korean-Americans.

            You are underestimating how much your Singaporean background affects your worldview.

            It’s inconsistent to think of “white” as a race (grouping all the different white ethnic groups together) but consider Chinese to be a separate from Japanese, Koreans, and Mongolians.

            In other words, what you’re saying sounds as silly to me as an Italian asserting he is of the Italian race, or a Pole asserting he is of the Polish race. Surely you think that sounds absurd.

            You point out that Chinese, Malays, and Indians have different skin tones and facial/bodily features and are therefore different races, but you don’t apply this same logic to fellow East Asians, who by skin color and facial/bodily features would be considered the same race as the Han.

            Ethnicity has connotations of culture, language, and nationality; race does not. The way you are describing the “Chinese race” corresponds with how someone would ordinarily characterize an ethnic group. You cannot assert that Chinese of Tibetan, Uyghur, Korean, Hmong, and Russian ancestry are not “really” Chinese without implying that the PRC is an empire of subjugated races.

          • wnsk

            “You are underestimating how much your Singaporean background affects your worldview.”

            That could be so.

            “Ethnicity has connotations of culture, language, and nationality; race does not. The way you are describing the “Chinese race” corresponds with how someone would ordinarily characterize an ethnic group.”

            I knew that, but I guess I just forgot myself. It was just more convenient, in the sense that, if someone asks me, “Dude, what’s your race?” and even if I may have the opinion inside that, technically there’s no such thing as race and the right term is ethnicity, I would still just say, “My race is Chinese.”

            …it’s good that in the course of this discussion, you reminded me. Because I do believe in rectifying language. So, thanks for that.

          • fibblesquibble

            Who issued your ID card? Some retard at the PSB? And you base your world view on your ID card? Are you beginning to see the problem?

          • Mateusz82

            I know they do, and actually, I’ve heard “American” used as a race too. Just the other day, a Chinese girl said she was used to talking to people who looked Chinese, but was shy about talking to “American looking” people.

            In either case, it’s used incorrectly.

            I do understand your point. Han Chinese are the vast majority, with other races being almost invisible minorities. Conversely, Americans of European decent are the majority, but just barely, and even then, hardly the only visible race (maybe color would be more appropriate, since there are various races in Europe, depending on definition).

            My only point was that I dislike the use of “Chinese” to refer to Han Chinese (or yellow Chinese, since there are other ethnic groups who have similar features) is that it is kinda a slap in the face to the minorities living in China, telling them they don’t really belong, eternal “foreigners” in their own country. It would be as insulting as using “American” to refer to only to white Ameircans.

            I do understand why it’s used, and how it’s most often not used maliciously, but I just want to pay more attention to the language we use, rather than just using it because everyone else does.

          • wnsk

            “…I just want to pay more attention to the language we use, rather than just using it because everyone else does.”

            That’s very fair, and it appeals to me. Consequently, I will change, or be more mindful of, my language. Thanks.

          • cantonizi

            Chinks is still good to use in calling out to the Chinese but the “N” word is illegal when calling a black or Indian and you can go to jail for using it in the US and Canada.
            There are no blacks in the US or Canada anymore, they are now westerners of different color mothers unlike Obama.

          • lienlaopei

            blame it on the stupid westerners who screw up the names of countries and races everywhere they went.
            some went to north america and called the native americans ‘indians’
            others went to the middle kingdom and liked their ceramic dinnerware so much they named the country ‘china’ and thus the people living there as ‘chinese’, ignoring the fact there were many tribal races living there as well.

          • fibblesquibble

            Ethnicity.

          • jsussixfer

            No.

          • christina

            I don’t think they’re ignorant, I think they’re rather aware, but don’t care.

          • fibblesquibble

            I don’t think they’re ignorant, I think they’re rather aware, but don’t care.

            So they ARE ignorant. Circles. You like running.

          • Alex Dương

            Sinophobia is the wrong word. “Racism” would be more appropriate (if “Chinese” were a race, which it isn’t)

            Then sinophobia is the right word since we are talking about a specific instance of xenophobia.

          • Kai

            The problem here is the vagueness of the accusation (“ignorant”). Those who agree will find no problem finding reasons (observations, experiences, memories, anecdotes, etc.) to fit the accusation. In such a form, it can be used against any country’s people.

            Could we not say it is also ignorant to use misleading vividness as evidence proving an accusation? That’s what you just did. You remembered one ayi who went against traffic and use that to bolster your belief that “virtually every Chinese person you’ve met is almost completely unaware of the wants, needs, rights and yes, sometimes even EXISTENCE of other people around them.”

            It’s cool that you qualify with “virtually” and “almost”, but you’re discounting all the other people on the street you’ve met who aren’t going against traffic, who aren’t yelling at others in their way, and who aren’t beating people when they are actually in the wrong. What about them? Why aren’t they factored into tempering the strength of your expressed criticism?

            Probotector is doing the same thing. When he cites his observations as proving his opinions, he mistakes people objecting to him as challenging the truth of his observations or experiences when they are in fact challenging the fallacies inherent in his thinking.

            Finally, I agree, “Sinophobia” is the wrong word to accuse Probotector. The right word is “prejudice” so long as we refuse to understand racism as colloquially referring to any prejudice against not just race but also ethnicity and nationality.

      • firebert5

        I think you’re confusing indifference with ignorance.

        • Probotector

          Surely indifference is a result of ignorance?

          • firebert5

            Typically it’s the result of self-interest.

          • wnsk

            Why surely? Surely it’s not necessary.

            I can still choose to act like I don’t know something (i.e. with indifference) even when actually I know that something. You are underestimating the complexities of human motivation/psyche.

      • Womanizer

        one could almost say that the majority white people are ignorant, racist cuntish faggots。 are you contempted with that response? how blunt do you want me to be here? i guess you could see how i feel when you see this.

        • =Could= say indeed, i could also say that I have a vagina too.

          • Womanizer (wanna bang?)

            one could say that you are a cunt :) hahhaa no offense

          • fibblesquibble

            Plick. No offense.

        • Probotector

          I’d say you’re obviously butthurt because you can’t take criticism, as this and your other posts on this site have illustrated since you first arrived.

          • Womanizer (wanna bang?)

            i’m butt hurt boo whoo mr.whiteman !

          • fibblesquibble

            Don’t do that again.

          • Womanizer

            what are you going to do mate? approach me bro. come at me mate. . BOO WHOO, BI BO BO. OH WE GOT A CRY BABY OVER HERE.

            CRY ME A FUCKING RIVER MATE

          • wnsk

            It’s not about whether Womanizer can or cannot take criticism, it’s about whether this so-called criticism is fair or unfair. That’s the point he’s trying to make, and which you’ve either misunderstood or are trying to deflect. To be fair.

          • fibblesquibble

            So. It appears that you are the designated spokesman for the wannabe womanizer. Would you care to illustrate an example of fairness in china. After you do that, I’d like to you remain silent until further notice. Back to the cage now. Is your real name Gimp by any chance?

          • wnsk

            You’re not worth my time. That’s all I got to say. Have a nice day. :]

      • wnsk

        You might as well as say most of humanity. The average [insert random nationality] seems pretty fucking ignorant to me too. Singling out the Chinese here is certainly NOT fair and–face it–a sign of your prejudice.

        • Probotector

          I’ll agree with you that many on this Earth are ignorant, but I’m not singling out the Chinese, as if my statement was entirely arbitrary. It was insomnicide why brought up the issue of ignorance in Chinese society, and I just gave my opinion.

          Like womanizer, you don’t really have an argument, you’re just saying “we are angry and you’re prejudiced because you had the audacity to criticise China/Asians”.

          It’s not a mark of racism, as you’re suggesting, to criticise a nation or society in a general sense. My statement isn’t based on prejudice, it’s based on observation; I see the way people in China behave and and a lot of it is the result of a lack of knowledge of safety, social graces and consideration for others. The fact that you guys jump on the prejudice/racism bandwagon indicates insecurity on your part, and an inability to argue effectively. If you disagree with what I said, give me examples of how I’m wrong.

          • Alex Dương

            It’s not a mark of racism, as you’re suggesting, to criticise a nation or society in a general sense.

            Prejudice isn’t criticism.

          • wnsk

            “…I’m not singling out the Chinese, as if my statement was entirely arbitrary. It was insomnicide why brought up the issue of ignorance in Chinese society, and I just gave my opinion.”

            Yeah, I see that now. Sorry, then.

            I don’t really have an argument, I’m merely expressing an objection. You don’t have an argument either, just an unqualified assertion (your original statement.)

            I didn’t say you were racist, just prejudiced. I think there’s a difference. We all have our prejudices. When it crosses into racism (hate speech, etc) then it becomes unacceptable, but again I didn’t call you racist.

            “The fact that you guys jump on the prejudice/racism bandwagon indicates insecurity on your part, and an inability to argue effectively.”

            No, it does not. I was pointing out that you weren’t being fair despite explicitly saying you were. If you said your statement without qualifying it with “to be fair”, I might not have objected at all.

          • Kai

            If observations were all that is needed to justify a statement, then “the vast majority of British people are truly racist.”

            There’s a difference between calling a specific behavior “ignorant” and declaring that the vast majority of a people are “truly ignorant”. Surely you can see that, right? You see it when Chinese people do it, but how come you don’t see it when you yourself do it?

      • cantonizi

        You are not lying, many Chinese people in China still thinks that Obama is the first black pres of the United States of Afrika.
        And they think Taiwan is the 52 state of the US, now that is truly ignorant.

    • Zappa Frank

      are you talking about the aunties or about the residents? I love to see the aunties dancing.. anyway they never go after 22-23max.. there are also in front of my house.. I think we can tolerate them..

  • Irvin

    See how awesome we can be when we put our heads and money together? That’s quite a professional retaliation I must say, hardcore and without resorting to violence. Well done people.

    I just wish people in guangzhou can be as cooperative, my family doesn’t even know the names of people living next door.

    • Honibaz

      People from Guangdong are known to be relatively belligerent, on average. That’s saying something considering the fact that most mainland Chinese people today are quite belligerent and can easily initiate an argument for petty reasons.

      • Insomnicide

        People from Hong Kong too, although they’re in denial about it…

        • Honibaz

          Well most Hong Kongers trace their recent ancestry to Guangdong, so I would agree. An interesting point to note is that you’ll often hear Hong Kongers say they’re not 中國人 (person from China), but you’ll NEVER hear them say that they’re not 廣東人 (person from Guangdong).

          • Irvin

            I think they see guangdong as a geographical location. Guangzhou, guilin, hong kong, macau and a bunch of cities from the south are consider guangdong and most speak cantonese.

            They see china less as a geographical location and more of a specific type of people. That’s what I was talking about when I say people here is not cooperative, people in america the south and the north do things very differently and have very different attitudes on things but they don’t see themselves as “not american”.

            Here in china when someone see something they don’t like they will try to disassociate themselves from it as far as possible.

          • Mighty曹

            Wrong. Regardless of whether they see something the like, or don’t like, Chinese are very ‘regional’ and have prejudice views toward each other.

          • Mighty曹

            Actually, not so much “I’m not 廣東人’ as ‘I am 香港人’.

      • Probotector

        My God, yes.

      • Probotector

        That attitude is true of most people in this world, this “I don’t take no shit from nobody” garbage. The knock-on effect is that people perceive being dissed at every possible encounter, and it makes the concepts of being civil and getting along next to impossible. However, I agree that in China (I wouldn’t know about Guangdong per se) this behaviour is omnipresent, and their attitude comes from a sense of entitlement and ignorance of right and wrong. At least in China, I find they’re not as physically violent vis a vis people in the West.

        • Germandude

          As the question, so the answer.

          I find the younger generations (<20) very rude and impolite. After that, people are getting friendlier the older they get.
          Be friendly to others and others are friendly to you.

          • Insomnicide

            After puberty, people come to their senses and act as well as think more sensibly. Of course, there are the odd few who still live like their teenage years…

          • Irvin

            Extended adolescent yes lol

          • xiaode

            You wanna say: in Germany it´s like that.. right?

            My experience in China is, that the younger generations are more polite and not that “fucked up” like the older generations!

            Never happened to me that a guy/girl in their 20´s tried to “bypass” me at the cashier in a supermarket… old Ayi´s… once a weak at least!

            Subway open it´s doors, it´s very crowdy… who is the first one who is pushing inside the sub… even before anyone got the chance to leave it… an old Ayi

            Spitting on the ground without even looking if someone stays or walks,… old grandpas in their 50´s / 60´s

            Also never saw or heard some young folks terrorizing an whole neighborhood with loud music at fucking 5:30 in the morning!

            scooter drivers which consider the sidewalk to be their highway… always the old folks is driving…

            … you can go on like this for ages…

            (again: my personal experience!)

          • Germandude

            Yes, I wasn’t clear enough. You are right. I meant to say: In Europe and the US, I find the <20s rude/bad habital. Above that they are getting better.

          • Probotector

            My experience is the younger ones are just as bad as anyone else. On two separate occasions 20-something Chinese guys and girls lifted a taxi my American friend and I had already hailed. They thought is was funny as hell. The fact is, in China, the ignorance and the attitude spans the generations.

          • firebert5

            A man that hath friends must show himself friendly.

          • Free Man

            To me age doesnt seem to be the Problem, but the lack of good education. Not the one from school, but when parents teach their children about what to do or not. Mainly because they dont know how to educate children themself.

            I know some chinese students and graduates, that are as polite as most western people. And I know some others with low education or none at all, stupid as shit, who only care about themself ( and sometimes about family, because mommy said so). Of course there are exceptions: kids of rich/successful people seem to ignore education and just behave like, well, idiots.

          • Irvin

            You haven’t been in the banks, public transportation, supermarket with ayis have you? I can assure you they are much ruder than ANY 20 years old you’ll ever see.

        • Teacher in China

          “not as physically violent”
          You’ve obviously never been to Dongbei….

    • mr.wiener

      Adversity brings people together.

      • Irvin

        Indeed, perhaps the only way the world would put their differences aside and come together is if we’re invaded by aliens.

        • Insomnicide

          But like in Avatar, there’s always that one guy who has a fetish for exotic species who will betray us…

          • Irvin

            Except in avatar we were the invader.

          • Kai

            Or the people on top of the skyscraper in LA in ID4 with welcome signs, just before being blasted.

  • Surfeit

    Yet another piece of evidence! [Bitches be craaaazy!]

  • Merohedral

    Fight noise with more noise

  • FYIADragoon

    That sounds ridiculously annoying. That shit is only supposed to occur at night after dinner. The government really should construct centers for the elderly to go to, although it is hard to recommend seeing as this is the red guard generation….Makes me think of the baby boomers back in the states…

  • cantonizi

    Those anti gay & anti noise young Chinese people should not come here to live, we don’t like or want complainers like them in Canada.
    We have street parties 24/7 and we have a shooting or two after each one ends.
    And we have govt controlled street parties like it’s 1999 all night long and nobody can complain about the noise not even the whites, so get a life.
    Oh and them anti red guard brats in China should live where I live, between a black nite club and a Bollywood disco, now say what?
    What, you want to sleep before 3A.M. and get up early in the morning in China?
    Fuck off your high heel shoes and stay on the farm, don’t move to the big city with us real city folks.

    • Barack Obama

      damn you are hardcore!

  • mr.wiener

    Red songs? You mean communist propaganda stuff?

  • vonskippy

    A high pressure water hose would have been cheaper (and way more fun to watch).

    • firebert5

      Crates of rotten fruit.

  • Insomnicide

    It’s pure nostalgia from the Mao era. There’s nothing historic about it. They should focus on reviving traditional Han culture instead of spreading these unorthodox Maophilia practices.

    • Claude

      It’s been a tradition for 50 years! Isn’t 50 years enough to call it a tradition? All tradition has to start sometime.

      It’s pretty good exercise for the ole guys and gals and possibly one of the few positive leftovers from that era. I wish I could get my parents out to do something in their 70’s. How many mericans are out dancing in their 70’s? More like eating and watching dancing with the stars.

      Turning the music down or even better the earphone option is great.

      • Probotector

        “It’s pretty good exercise for the ole guys and gals…”

        Guys don’t really do the dancing, but it’s a sight to behold when they do.

        “How many mericans are out dancing in their 70’s? ”

        What is it with people and their America hate? There are other societies that have lazy people you know. Also, Chinese people in their 70s don’t do this much, there are some, but not that many. It’s mostly the middle aged, 40s to 60 yo women.

        “…the earphone option is great”

        LOL no, that would just be weird. Imagine seeing people dancing to music that’s not audible to you or others around them. An auditorium or some such venue would be more apt or perhaps an option I described before in my first comment.

        “There’s a group of women who dance around in the evenings near where I live, and their speaker is so quiet, you can’t hear the music until you’re right upon it; much more considerate.”

        • Claude

          The lives of most Chinese is a life of toil and oppression so if they want to spend some time dancing – let them. They need to find some joy where you can.

          The wireless earphone option is a perfect solution. There’s a small bar/club in Ibiza that had complaints from it’s neighbors so they started using wireless earphones. Looks silly until you put on your earphones; then it’s a party like any other in Ibiza. Wiki silent disco, the concept has been around for awhile.

          If these people can’t sort out the headphones they’ll have to turn it down. Screaming at them their a PA system is just going to add to the frustration of the locals.

      • Insomnicide

        It does nothing but serve as a reminder of the dark era which they grew up in, and it’s an embarrassment to the idea of culture. It’s a subculture, sure. But for people to see it as culture of the Chinese people? Embarrassing.

  • xiaode

    3 weeks ago i spent a night in hotel in the suburb of Shanghai.. there was a square in front of this hotel…
    at fucking 5:30 in the morning (Sunday morning!) a group of Ayi´s´arrived and turned on the music so loud that even with closed windows in the 3rd floor of the hotel i could feel the baseline in my bed!
    These stupid cunts have no resect of other people!

    • lonetrey / Dan

      Should’ve went and smashed their equipment :D

      • xiaode

        I was very close to go there… (but then I would ruined my friends wedding.. which I joined there….)

    • Womanizer (wanna bang?)

      lawl

    • Teacher in China

      I am facing this problem right now. Problem is, until recently, it has been too damn cold to even think about going out there at 5 am to confront them about it. And besides, last week, they were shifted off the square by the farmers’ market, which consists of dozens of sha bi’s all with their own megaphones crowing about how cheap their fucking potatoes are.

      • xiaode

        o fuck… that really sucks! If I would have to face this every day I would get crazy and def. act. Or move away from that place….

  • narsfweasels

    If they do it before 8am on a weekday, you’re well within your rights!

  • firebert5

    Like Bo Xi Lai!

  • hehehehh

    those who are not affected dont usually give a damn….

    those same inconsiderate people who wake you up with the dancing and shit every morning, would complain if you made some noise assuming you live next to one of them… lets say you decide to play some music or watch a movie at night, maybe not so late around 8 or 9pm, they would be knocking on your door demanding you to shut that thing off..

  • Probotector

    Why don’t they mention the shop workers who dance outside their shopfront to loud music for ‘exercise’ and get in your way in the mornings? How about the shops that plant hi-fi speakers outside and blare music at full blast all day? Better yet, the douche bag sales staff who yell out store promotions through a microphone at the top of their voice?

  • JackYu

    Lot’s of people are complaining about thos Ayi’s here, but give it a second thought. In most western countries retired elders would either spend their years sitting on their asses watching TV or they’d sit outside getting drunk. If we had those public dancing classes in America there was probably no need for even thinking about Obamacare, as health costs were just 30% of what they are now.

    • YourSupremeCommander

      Sure, if you had to live right next to these dancing squares and you had to lose sleep night after night, you would take back everything you said.

      It’s so easy to come up with bright ideas when you are not affected, right?

    • Insomnicide

      Do it in a classroom, not out in the street.

  • Alex

    there’s the solution to housing bubbles, get the aunties dancing the prices down

    • cantonizi

      Like hoping and wishing to get fucked in China but no luck yet, hey whitey.

  • commander

    I think the absence of dialogue and compromise between annoyed residents and old dance folks partially illustrate the lack of mechanism to reconcile conflicting interests with the Chinese central and local governments preferring crackdown on popular protests which they fear will grow into massive uprisings instead of coordinating clashing interests.

    The inability of the government as a mediator is reflected in residents’ self measure of in stalling speakers urging restraint for old folks whose only leisure activity is to dance together.

    In a democracy where public opinions are valued and reflected in a government policy, the conflict of tranquility versus dancing in a public square should be addressed via residential complaints to the authorities which in turn devise a compromise allowing the two groups to get satisfied as anti-noise advocates point out.

    • ClausRasmussen

      In a (European) democracy dancing aunties would be buried under thick layers of bureaucracy, social workers, conflict mediators, lawyers, and eventually regulated away.

      Too little governmental influence is almost always better than too much.

      • commander

        I think almost always good thing is to strike a balance between too little and too much.

        Excessive government role in market and society could lead to subdued freedom, which is the main pillar for thriving democracy.

        But the absence of governmental oversight in market and society could spell the survival of the fittest, which prey on the weak and socially disadvantaged people.

        The 2008 financial crisis in the United States, which threw the world into disarray, partially derived from neglected supervision on the part of the US federal government, giving investment banks and security firms chances of gratifying their greed in the sales of complicated financial derivatives.

        The fiscal crises in Greece, Ireland, Italy and others embody the government failures which are defined as inefficiency and moral hazards, and spendthrift governmental spending.

        As the Chinese maxim goes, something too much is as bad as something too little.

        It remains to be seen whether China can strike such a delicate balance in the future, though it is heavily tilted in favor of a stronger government claiming that maintaining the communist political system and keeping the economy to continue flourishing requires centralized power and ample discretion in policy for the government.

        • ClausRasmussen

          I somewhat agree with you, but your examples concerning the financial crisis is bad because I would claim that the crisis became a crisis only because the politicians considered the banks to be too-big-to-fail. And as for Greece etc. the problem was the government to begin with.

          Far better examples would be environmental protection and food security.

          But the gist of what I wrote was that having authorities regulating the habits of dancing aunties is certainly too much government. People should be able to solve conflicts like that themselves, even if the “solution” involves mega-big loudspeakers :-)

    • Kai

      Wasn’t it mentioned in the article? The residents tried communicating with the dancers before, with altercations happening. They’ve also involved authorities, and there was an “agreement” made. The problem is the residents feel the dancers are violating the agreement still, that they’re turning down the volume when the authorities come by on patrol but then turn the volume back up when they leave.

      I don’t think it is in the above articles but I read that the residents took down the loudspeakers and stopped their counter-campaign because the government got involved again and promised to increase patrols in the area to ensure that the volume is kept down. There was also something about how the dancing is happening more often now because there’s a competition coming up that all the dancers are preparing for.

  • Womanizer

    funny shit, lawl. just yell the dancers when you feel like it .LOL

  • Zen my Ass

    I have a solution, it’s simply perfect… wait for it… ask politely to lower the volume. It works, 100% guarantee

    • Mighty曹

      I think that’s when they were sent “scurrying back”.

  • They do it here now in Sydney too. Sometimes feel I am back in Beijing. walking my peek past groups of old ladies blaring bad music and dancing in time. at least no drums yet.

  • paneraman

    where is the “cheng guan” or ‘city supervisor’ when they are needed…

  • Mighty曹

    Granted, an average auntie is rather hard of hearing and must listen to everything at a louder than normal volume, I can see how annoying the dancing must be.

  • sdfqef

    Someone needs to blast them some DMX… Guaranteed to disperse them.

    • Mighty曹

      They just might bust a move and adapt then make it their music. That would be the ultimate backfire.

      • Insomnicide

        Old grannies dancing to ‘Where The Hood At’…

        • Mighty曹

          And saying, “We bad…. we bad…”

          • doraemon1971

            Who let the dogs out ……

          • Mighty曹

            Who let the hags out…

  • Womanizer (wanna bang?)

    good for you mr.whiteman who was born in 1971 and enjoys doraemon and good for you that inter marryed with “us”. i will be fucking white girls too. :) we are all equal (according to your logic) who is butthurt now? btw nobody is implying that having kids correlates to racist statement by probotector

    it’s funny how white people get butt hurt when it’but hang on what about us? what about us, we get racism from white people anywhere even in my country.

    • Mateusz82

      To answer your question, you are butthurt now, as it was in the beginning, and ever shall be, butthurt without end.

      Not that funny. People get offended when ignorant racists make ignorant racist comments.

      And who is the “We” you talk about, and “your country”. If you think that the big, bad site boogeyman is out to get you in whatever country you claim to own, you’re as paranoid as you are racist.

      Also, why are you so happy to be “fucking white girls”? You don’t think yellow girls are good enough?

      • Womanizer

        where are you from? are you in china? btw if white guys can have sex with asian girls i think it’s pretty fair for me to fuck a white girl.

        • Mateusz82

          Yeah, I’m in China, though it doesn’t really matter, as my statements stand on their own, regardless of my nationality.

          That makes no sense. Skin color isn’t the same as geographical region. Some white guys are Asian.

          Either way, it’s not like there’s anyone in charge of permission of what color you’re allowed to have sex with, nor what region of the world you can have sex.

          Also, ProTip: The only one who can give you permission to have sex with a white (or brown, black,or yellow) girl, would be the person in question. You’re not entitled to sex with anyone… though from your racist views, it would be to the benefit of the world if you did not risk breeding.

          • Womanizer

            cool story brah

          • Mateusz82

            Don’t worry. One of these days, you’ll grow up to be cool too. Just make sure to stay in school, eat your vitamins, and listen to your parents.

          • Womanizer

            how old are you? how did you know that i am still in school?

          • mr.wiener

            Cool! you got a stalker.

          • Womanizer

            speaking of the devil, you seem to be on me 24/7 !

          • mr.wiener

            I’m just here to keep the bathroom clean.

        • mr.wiener

          “IF” however is a big word.
          Good luck if you have the swagger to shag her.

          • fibblesquibble

            I believe its called a swagger stick. He may be lacking the latter.

        • fibblesquibble

          Make sure she hasnt been touched before lest the experience injures your ego. Capiche?

          • Womanizer

            capiche?

      • wnsk

        “Not that funny. People get offended when ignorant racists make ignorant racist comments.”

        But that’s precisely Womanizer’s point. He’s basically saying, “How about if I said this, would you get hurt/offended? How do you think I feel about your statement?”

        And Probotector’s response seems to be, “Hah, you’re hurt/offended. You lose.”

        • Mateusz82

          Actually, Womanizer didn’t really have a point, besides yellow supremacy.

          Also, when did Probotector talk about any particular color? Commenting on Chinese society isn’t the same as making claim about a race or color.

          If someone wanted to criticize American warmongering in the Middle East, a valid retort would not be to insult black people.

          • wnsk

            “Actually, Womanizer didn’t really have a point, besides yellow supremacy.”

            …I’m not so sure about that, but I guess I’ll let him speak for himself

            “Also, when did Probotector talk about any particular color? Commenting on Chinese society isn’t the same as making claim about a race or color.”

            He could have meant “Chinese” in the sense of nationality, and that could still be offensive to Womanizer, assuming the latter was a Chinese citizen. The effect is the same.

          • Mateusz82

            Well, I’m not 100% sure, but that’s what I gathered from his posts.

            There still is a big difference. If someone criticized American gun culture, that would be very different from saying, “All white people are violent and bloodthirsty.”

            I see a difference between a country and genetics, since anyone can be part of American gun culture, while race is something you’re born as, and unchangeable. It’s the difference between saying that there are problems with your country, and there are problems with you.

          • Guang Xiang

            To be fair, the majority of the replies in this thread are truly ignorant for trying to downplay Probotector’s statement.

          • Kai

            wnsk is right.

            one could almost say that the majority white people are ignorant, racist cuntish faggots。 are you contempted with that response? how blunt do you want me to be here? i guess you could see how i feel when you see this.

            It was pretty evident to me he was turning it around trying to get Probotector to see how offensive his statement is. That said, while doraemon1971 didn’t get his point, Womanizer’s responses to him and then you didn’t make him very sympathetic.

          • Mateusz82

            If Wnsk said “One could almost say that the majority of American people are ignorant, racist cuntish faggots…” it would have been a better point… though still marred by homophobia.

            I wouldn’t mind turning around a statement, but the problem is that this isn’t the same thing, not how Wnsk did it.

          • Kai

            To be clear, wnsk didn’t say it, Womanizer did. I was saying wnsk is “right” in saying Womanizer had a point.

            That comment by Womanizer by itself doesn’t necessarily suggest he’s homophobic. All he’s trying to do is be “blunt” in his offensiveness to point out the offensiveness in Probotector’s comment. He wants Probotector to feel what he felt, hoping it’ll help Probotector realize how his statement was offensive.

            Yes, it would’ve been better if Womanizer just said something like “To be fair, the majority of British are truly ignorant, regardless of age or demographic.”

          • Mateusz82

            Sorry… my bad. I meant “If Womanizer said…” I would have agreed with Wnsk that Womanizer had a point, if Womanizer made such point more effectively, using another country as an example, and not following up as he did.

            The use of “faggot” as an insult is something I’d consider homophobic, as it implies that being gay is a negative, and uses a slur for homosexual men.

            That wording, as you mentioned, would have been a much better point.

          • wnsk

            What about “butt hurt” then?

            That’s something I’d consider homophobic and offensive to homosexuals as it is a negative reference to anal sex. It need not be, yes, but all the same it is undeniable that the connection is easily made.

            I do in fact know homosexual people who take offense to this term.

          • Mateusz82

            Hmm, actually, I had thought it referred to being spanked. If someone’s metaphorically “butt-hurt”, then it’s more hurt from pride and being punished from a metaphorical spanking.

            If it is homophobic in origin, then that’d be different.

    • fibblesquibble

      ‘ i will be fucking white girls too. :)’

      Hmmmm, you must have a long tongue.

      • Womanizer

        i guess you are gay?

  • Womanizer (wanna bang?)

    yse!

  • Irvin

    Yeah I stand corrected.

  • filabusta

    This is a natural reaction from 20+ years without sex.

  • TheInconvenientRuth

    Thank you for this useful article. We’ve been meaning to by a house but recently the sq.m price has gone through the roof in the communtiy we want to buy. I’ll go out, buy speaker, organize dances until the price drops to bargain level, then buy 2 flats there then scare away the aunties, price goes up, instand profit Genius!

  • cantonizi

    Lucky your kids have Chinese brain power, look at the kids in America they can’t even speak Amrikan good.
    And most whites have a wife back home and another one in China, so what’s wrong with you?

    • xiaode

      hahahaha… that was a good one! thanks!

  • I guess I’m lucky in that the dancing ayis in my building do it inside and keep reasonable hours and music levels. The big groups go to the shopping center nearby where they don’t really bother residents in the area.

    A far more serious problem is the texting while walking. Stopping cold in the doorway to pull out your phone and text. Or watching movies and tv shows while walking in the metro at rush hour.

    Luckily, there’s a solution:
    http://barbariansubject.com/2014/02/17/texting-while-walkingers-open-season/

  • linette lee

    really? They really do this in the plaza. hahahaha…lol. That’s funny. The residents should also buy a big a55 LED and blast this on the screen for the grandmas. lol.

  • Kai

    If the music is too loud and lasting throughout the entire day, there’s a legitimate grievance. The residents don’t want to deny them their moment of fun, they just want them to have their moment of fun with more consideration to residents in terms of music volume.

    • doraemon1971

      Kai i lived there for 2 years and a half so i know how things go on. For some of the ayi’s it’s the only source of relaxing after a hard day. I know what you mean with the grievance. But it usually does not last that long. those ayi’s also have to work to put food on the table.

      • Kai

        I don’t understand your disagreement with me. All I said was that if what the residents in the story say is true, then I’d agree that there is a legitimate grievance and disagree with your suggestion that they are “morons” and “too selfish”. Perhaps the dancing ayis you’ve encountered in your 2 years in China weren’t dancing and blasting music “that long”, but that’s irrelevant to whether these dancing ayis are, right?

  • mike921

    It’s all typical 3rd world behavior – me, now!

  • jsussixfer

    Nothing like walking past the elderly ladies dancing and hearing pangzi (sp?). *I* thought it was nice because I’ve never seen anyone in America dancing to uniquely American music in public squares.

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