Woman Lay Collapsed in Subway Station for 50 Minutes, Dies

Liang Ya’s parents are crying while holding their daughter’s pictures.

Liang Ya’s parents crying while holding their pictures of their daughter.

From Sina:

Female Manager of Foreign-Owned Enterprise Passes Out & Dies at Subway Station Exit, Laid on Floor For As Long As 50 Minutes

Southern Metropolis Daily report — On February 17, at 10:29am, 35-year-old IBM Shenzhen manager Liang Ya collapsed on the stairs at the Shenzhen Metro Shekou Line Shuiwan Station Exit C, and lay there for as long as 50 minutes. According to surveillance footage, Liang Ya had gestured for help after she collapsed. 3 minutes later, some city residents had discovered her and notified metro staff. Soon after, metro workers arrived at the scene with police officers also arriving 25 minutes later. At 11:18am, paramedics arrived at the scene and found out that Liang Ya was already dead.

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Liang Ya

Liang Ya went to the UK’s University of Glasgow to study for a postgraduate degree in 2004 July, then worked for the Hewlett-Packard Company in the UK for a year after graduation. Liang Ya missed her aging parents very much, and would often make overseas phone calls to chat with them. On February of 2008, Liang Ya returned to Shenzhen from the UK, and worked at the IBM office in Shenzhen where she was was a Japanese project team manager for IBM. She oversaw 18 people, was very hard-working, and got along well with other employees.

[…]

Cause of collapse is suspected to be low blood sugar, the exact cause of death is yet unknown

It has already been 10 days since Liang Ya’s death. Over these past few days, Liang Ya’s elder sister Ms. Liang visited the metro station and the local police station with her 80-year-old father and 70-year-old mother, wanting to know the cause of Liang Ya’s death. “We also want to know if there was any problem in how the metro station handled the situation, if it was enough that they called 120 [medical emergency number].” According to Ms. Liang, after so many days, no one from the Metro had paid a visit, not even call, which has left them bitterly disappointed.

[…]

Liang Ya’s family is at the scene of the incident.

Liang Ya’s family at the Shenzhen Metro Shuiwan Station Exit C. On the 17th, Liang Ya passed out here and died.

According to Ms. Liang, because her younger sister was only 35 years old and was still single, her parents have not agreed to an autopsy, so it remains unclear as to what caused Liang Ya’s death.

What did the surveillance camera capture in the 50 minutes after Liang Ya’s collapse?

On the afternoon of [February] 25, Southern Metropolis Daily reporters arrived at the Shenzhen Metro Shekou Line Shuiwan Station with Liang Ya’s family, to see the surveillance footage of [February] 17, the day that Liang Ya died. According to metro station workers, normally, surveillance footage would only be kept for 7 days. After the incident, the relevant department of the company had already took away the copy of that day’s surveillance footage. But after knowing that the family members wanted to see it, they sent the copy back. To the man and woman in the surveillance footage who helped Liang Ya, and the cleaning lady who came near many times to check on Liang Ya, Liang Ya’s family members felt grateful for them. Ms. Liang said that although Liang Ya eventually passed away, she still wanted to say thanks to them in person.

February 17

10:29am, Liang Ya faints on the stairs at metro station exit

Liang Ya appears on the stairs at Shuiwan Metro Station Exit C, with a laptop on one hand, and a carry bag on the other hand. There are 3 sections of stairs at Exit C. While at the platform between the second section and the third section of the stairs, Liang Ya stops, leans against the wall on the side and bends down, puting the laptop and the carry bag on the ground. After she gets up, she begins to take off her coat, but before she can, she collapses.

10:30am, lifts up her head, struggles to move her body a little

Liang Ya lifts her head up and struggles, moves her body backward a little. Meanwhile, a middle-aged woman walks out of the metro station and passes Liang Ya. However, this woman walks right past her, giving her little attention.

10:31am, four men see Liang Ya and walk around to avoid her

A woman with a child walks out of the metro station. She glances at Liang Ya with without much reaction walks on with the child. Although she looks back before reaching the exit, she ultimately still leaves. Afterwards, four young men walk into the metro station. Seeing Liang Ya, all four of them slow down at the same time, lean towards the other side and walk pass her, looking at her while walking, soon disappearing into the metro station.

10:32am, a man and a woman report the situation to the metro authorities

A man and a woman walk out of the metro station. The woman has a red coat in her arm, and the man carries a big bag in his hand. While walking past Liang Ya, the two stop for a moment. Upon reaching the exit, they stop, look back at Liang Ya, and appear to say something to each other. Then, they both return to the metro station. When near Liang Ya, the woman bends down and gives Liang Ya a tap, and says something to the man. Afterwards, the man walks into the metro station, while the woman stays beside Liang Ya. Metro station personnel later verified that it was not not until they heard from this man that they learned that someone had passed out.

10:35am, metro station workers arrive at the scene

The man with the bag returns, and says something to the woman with the red coat. The two look back at the metro station. After a while, only after seeing two metro station workers approaching do they leave, though still looking back a few times.

After arriving at the scene, one metro station worker bends down to check on her, while the other one talks on the walkie-talkie. Afterwards, the two stay beside Liang Ya. During this time, many city residents pass by. The curious even walk near to take a look but very quickly walk away afterwards.

10:47am, cleaning lady bends down multiple times to check on her

A cleaning lady arrives by Liang Ya’s side, bends down and says something, and then leaves upon discovering that Liang Ya isn’t responding. About 8 minutes later, she returns to Liang Ya’s side, speaks with the two metro station workers. Then, she bends down and touches Liang Ya’s head with her hand, observes her for a while and gets up again. During which, the two metro station workers talk on the walkie-talkies every now and then, one of them even bends down and checks on her. The cleaning lady goes away to clean.

10:55am, most of the passing city residents walk around in avoidance

The cleaning lady returns again to Liang Ya, bends down and checks her. At this point, many city residents pass by, ad upon seeing this scene, they all walk away leaning towards the other side. A young man walks near and watches for quite a long time, and seems to say something to the metro station workers. Also, another man and woman stopped by the exit, watched for a little while before walking away. Only the two metro station workers and the cleaning lady remained by Liang Ya’s side.

11:04, multiple policemen arriving at the scene.

Multiple police officers arrive at the scene. One officer approaches Liang Ya and touches her, but Liang Ya doesn’t respond. Another officer walks to the exit from time to time to look around. According to the police officers who responded to the incident, Liang Ya’s arms were loose at the time, her fingers pale, and she didn’t respond to their questions. Because they were unclear about Liang Ya’s condition, they could only wait for 120 to handle this.

11:08am, an old man gestures to use first-aid CPR

An old man arrives at the metro station exit, where he stood watching, every so often speaking with the workers at the scene. According to the surveillance footage, his hands kept doing a pushing-down gesture, apparently suggesting that the workers perform first-aid/CPR.

11:18am, paramedics arrive at the scene and pronounce death

Paramedics arrive at the scene and carry Liang Ya to the metro station exit where there is light. But after examination, they found that Liang Ya had already died.

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Comments from NetEase:

网易河南省洛阳市手机网友 ip:125.43.*.*:

Mainly it is people’s compassion that has collapsed.

网易四川省成都市网友 ip:222.209.*.*:

1. Collapses at 10:29am.
2. A man and a woman report this to metro station workers at 10:32am.
3. The metro station workers arrive at the scene at 10:35am.

1. 110 [the police] first receive the call at 10:30am, which means as soon as the woman had collapsed, there were people nearby who saw it and called the police. with the police arriving at the scene at 11:04am.
2.The medical emergency dispatch center receives the call at 10:46am, arriving at the scene at 11:18am.

1. After 110 received the call, they arrived 34 minutes later, not fast enough.
2. After the emergency medical dispatch center received the call, they arrived 32 minutes later, not fast enough.
3. People at the scene not rashly attempting to give aid is understandable. If you haven’t had training, rashly giving aid can also be very dangerous to the victim!

上帝之城的路飞 [网易河北省保定市网友]:

I suggest CCTV create a law program with the theme of “To Help or Not to Help”, focused on reporting the incidents of people falling down throughout the nation every day, with investigative reporting on those fraudulent false injury extortion incidents. Broadcast it daily, and make this show as widely known as Fazhi Jinxingshi [a law program of Beijing TV that focuses on the development of legal institutions and society], to be used as a warning for the bad guys, and give good people a sense of security. I believe the ratings will definitely be high! Those who agree, ding!

网易北京市手机网友 ip:111.204.*.*:

If it were abroad, she might not be dead. It’s China’s corruption that indirectly killed her. Rest in peace! Live well in heaven!

Comments from QQ:

guoweioui:

Although nobody dares to help people up these days, people can at least make a phone call, can’t they? Besides, there’s a surveillance camera nearby so what are they afraid of? Still, nobody did anything, truly pitiful. So young, and just by looking at her one can tell she an educated person, and therefore couldn’t possibly been trying to scam others. I hope our country can implement the relevant regulations and system to prevent something like this from ever happening again, to protect those who do good things.

贝勒:

Don’t blame the passersby for being indifferent. The lack of humanity, the decay of morality, they are all caused by a society lacking justice! When you call 120, they arrive and ask you for a dispatch fee, refusing to drive you to the hospital without a deposit. Similarly, cases where people have been unscrupulously extorted by those they’ve given help to can be found everywhere. Even when they are exposed by evidence, they get away without any punishment! May I ask, in a environment like this, how dare you ask me to “lend you a hand”?

Won…ˇ:

Help? Give first-aid? Who would be responsible if she happens to die in the process? When someone collapses like this without any warning signs, the best thing to do is call 120. Let the paramedic help her.

雨后的风:

Normal people don’t know how to provide first-aid, or they may be too worried to do anything. But the metro station workers should have taken emergency measures/action. [When] a passenger collapses on the metro station stairs [and lies there] for 50 minutes then dies, the subway company should compensate.

易:

It’s those sons of bitches who fake injuries that turned our society into such a mess. Those shameless old men and old women, they are the ones who killed her.

★Lucky star:

We can’t blame the passers-by for this. Few people knows anything about first-aid, and no one dares to move the injured. You are no different. So stop blaming people. She would still be alive if someone helped her up or cover her with clothes [to keep her warm]? There must be something wrong with her health. Even if she had low blood sugar, it wouldn’t be this serious! There was an example, a baby-sitter tried to carry out a first-aid on a baby but did it wrong and killed him. So who should be responsible [in this case]!

五木成林:

Help, and she lives, and there’s no harm done, then everybody is happy. Help, and she dies, then you’re in big trouble. If someone who knows nothing about first-aid tries to save her but instead kills her, who should be held responsible then? For a general public that knows nothing about first-aid (those who have a common medical knowledge are an exception), calling 120 and 110 is the wisest option. Nobody should think themselves noble or immoral, what happened in that moment is the most real.

还能有真爱:

It’s heart-aching to see this. Only by severely punishing and sentencing those who extort money [by faking injury] can good people have the courage to help, to lend a hand without being extorted.

荒漠孤狼:

Those extortioners really need to be dealt with. Where can we still find any human compassion nowadays? When there is already no more human compassion, does this still feel like a nation?

一上:

I’ve been to Shenzhen, and felt [the people there were] very cold and indifferent [towards each other].

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  • Germandude

    They really ought to change that law regarding first aid.

    • Mighty曹

      Or change the protocol. The paramedics should be the first to arrive on the scene. Not the last.

      • lacompacida

        Typically, a call to a emergency number is answered by a policeman, who would dispatch a police and then forward the call to ambulance so they can dispatch an ambulance. And there are usually way more police cars than ambulance, and therefore, very likely a police car is much closer to the incident. In my city, the fire department will get a call to, just in case there is no available ambulance. No matter what happens, the service standard is 5 minutes between call and arrival.

        • TJDubs

          China has different numbers for emergency medical (120), police (110), and fire department lines (119). If you want more than one, you have to call more than one number.

        • Mighty曹

          Thus, a change in protocol is a must.

    • lacompacida

      Yep. Change the law and leave the enforcement optional.

    • Markoff

      this case has nothing to do with first aid, but with speed of emergency services, arriving 48mins to subway station in big city? common, even if they taken subway they would be faster for sure

      • Dax

        Subway probably would have been faster since no one bothers to get out of the way of ambulances here.

  • YourSupremeCommander

    I don’t blame the bystanders who did not help, who would want to risk ruining their lives by having her parents blame you and sue you for her death? China is such a sad sad place.

    But if you think about it, if this happened in the US, her parents would no doubt sue the shit out of the subway system. So either way someone’s gonna pick up the tab.

    • Mighty曹

      Always. Even if they don’t sue at the beginning some lawyers will always encourage them to do so later.

    • donscarletti

      The thing people forget about socialised health systems, which neither China nor the US has is that it reduces the hell out of these liability cases.

      Sure, government health departments are not 100% efficient in allocating funds to fix the injured, but they work a hell of a lot better than the courts.

      Sure, you can get sued for lost income or permanent disability, but that requires real evidence of negligence. But the concept that someone has to pick up the tab to fix up an injured person vanishes, so the courts can focus on actual justice rather than searching for someone to find liable.

      • Germandude

        I don’t know where you are from, but when was the last time you heard that someone in your country sued someone else for giving wrong first aid? And if so, was the sue successfull?

        For Germany, I cannot remember a single time.

    • lacompacida

      Actually, if the US, the police and ambulance would get the bill, for lateness of arriving to assist. The typical service standards are 5 minutes to arrive after called for an emergency. When someone collapsed and not responding to calls, it is an emergency.

    • FYIADragoon

      Actually that would be on the police or EMS services’ tab. Waiting 20 minutes sounds absurd. 48 would be equivalent to telling the person to go fuck themselves.

  • The FRED FONG

    Confucius say….in China….helping others…. can be costly

    • BiffyClanger

      Helping other = SUCKA
      in all seriousness i do wonder if it has something to do with rapid timeframe in which China urbanised and not having enough time for communities(and associated values) to evolve. This probably would have happened in Dickensian London if we were to compare like for like.

      • TJDubs

        5000 years not long enough to evolve values?

  • Mighty曹

    In the Chinese society of people not rendering aide to strangers it’s always heart warming to see cleaning ladies who really care.

    • whuddyasack

      China is the land where the most unassuming are the ones that can and do lead by example. Not just for China, but the entire world too.

    • Eileithyia

      Maybe because people ask you for money if try help them. I was told to not help people by Chinese when i went to China for business.

      • Gordon Gogodancer

        It’s sad to hear you say that….some events like this are being broadcast and then everyone assumes it’s the norm. I think i would help someone in need…if they asked me for money i would simply tell them to fuck off.

        • Mighty曹

          One thing I can’t stand is ‘ungratefulness’.

      • Mighty曹

        I would still help but I would use good judgement and extreme caution. It’ll all be depending on the circumstance, scenario, location, etc. Who knows? I may just say ‘Fuck this…’ and walk away.

    • Markoff

      maybe you didn’t noticed while reading article, that at least two different people called subway staff and police within 1-2mins since her collapse, Chinese emergency services are there to blame, police not providing CPR and 48mins late arrival of paramedics

      • Mighty曹

        Maybe, no, it’s obvious that you didn’t read what I wrote. I said ‘rendering’ not simply making a phone call.

    • Irvin

      Why do you think she’s the cleaning lady? it’s because somebody already extort her for helping so she got no choice but come outta retirement to pay off the extortion.

      • Mighty曹

        That’s funny and possible.

  • lacompacida

    What is the service standard of police and ambulance in Shenzhen ? Are these arrival times within the standard ? May be these are what citizens in Shenzhen expect.

  • lacompacida

    Not allowing an autopsy because she was not married ? Good move.

    • TJDubs

      I fail to see how the two are related.

      • The FRED FONG

        Mr. Buster Hymen can explain it to you

        • TJDubs

          So the fact that an autopsy performer would discover that it’s broken is deterring? Or the fact that he could break it himself?

          • Rick in China

            That’s the primary reason med students turn into pathologists – dead sex fetish, of course he’d break it himself.

  • comradewang

    This is so hard to watch…though I understand why people didn’t help her, it’s still extremely saddening to see the level of apathy people have in China now days. Smh.

    • Markoff

      people were no apathetic, people called police and people called subway staff within 1-2 minutes since her collapse

  • vonskippy

    Apathy 1 Shame 0

  • Stefan Xu

    This could happen anywhere in the world, even in the west.

    • The FRED FONG

      Once you travel out of your sh!thole into a civilized country, you will find that people dont fear helping each other….maybe you should spend a few months in THE WEST to discover your ignorance

      • Stefan Xu

        I’m from Sweden.

        • The FRED FONG

          I know…as I said…..

        • Nessquick Choco

          you are not …

          • Stefan Xu

            not what?

    • Cameron

      Of course in theory it could, and occasionally it does (although rarely with a well-dressed young woman collapsed on staircase). But most of the time it seems to happen in China.

    • xiaode

      Of course I can´t speak for any other country, but…
      In my country there is a severe punishment for people who pass by an accident and do not help! You can end up for 2 years in jail if you do this… (and that´s not just something written on a paper, this is enforced law!)
      So.. even I don´t say this is impossible to happen (that people do not help) in my country, the chance that it will happen is way lower! Especially if there are cameras and many witnesses involved…
      And because everyone who wants to drive a vehicle (which most people do) must know basics in first aid, must have passed a first aid course, it´s also highly unlikely that dozens of people walk by an incident and noone has a fucking idea what to do…
      And additional there is an almost 0% chance that you get fucked if you help someone… because medical treatments will already be paid by an insurance which 99,9% of all people have…

      • Zappa Frank

        the good Samaritan’s law is present I think in all western countries, but it is still not in china… than no punishment for not helping and also some risk to be sued for helping.

        • Dax

          Even if it was on the books here, China’s not exactly known for evenly and fairly applying their laws…

      • Germandude

        From Wikipedia: “In Germany, “Unterlassene Hilfeleistung” (failure to provide assistance) is an offense according to section 323c[31] of the Strafgesetzbuch; a citizen is obliged to provide help in case of accident or general danger if necessary, and is normally immune from prosecution if assistance given in good faith and following the average reasonable person’s understanding of required measures turns out to be harmful.[32][33] Also the helper may not be held responsible if the action he should take in order to help is unacceptable for him and he is unable to act (for example when unable to act at the sight of blood). In Germany, knowledge of basic emergency measures and First Aid and CPR Certification is a prerequisite for the granting of a driving license.”

        Doing nothing is worse than doing something wrong. The law covers people giving first aid to the extent that it has to be proven that in the case you’ve done sth wrong, you did this on purpose or despite better knowledge. Good luck trying to prove that.

        • xiaode

          Sorry, don´t get your point? (your last sentence) Are you with me (my above written statement?)

          • Germandude

            Yes I am with you.
            General meaning, as in: Good luck trying to prove that a person that helped somebody else did sth deliberately wrong.

            I am not addressing you at all ;-)

            Das Gesetz deckt Hilfeleistende solange nicht bewiesen werden kann, dass der Hilfeleistende absichtlich etwas falsch gemacht hat.
            Viel Glueck beim beweisen.

            So war das gemeint.

          • xiaode

            Ok, got your meaning. It´s also highly unlikely that someone who want´s to kill you is following you and waiting until you get involved in an accident… Or that someone who want´s to hurt / kill you arrive at an accident side by random…

          • Zappa Frank

            he upvoted you, he posted an article that confirm in his country it works in the same way as your, than I guess he support your view..

          • Germandude

            Mille grazie.

          • xiaode

            ok, i got it.. just wasn´t 100% sure because of his: “Good luck trying to prove that.”
            It´s all fine now… at least for me… hahaha

    • FYIADragoon

      A 50ish minute response time for emergency services is something that was reported for Detroit as an example of how terrible the city has become. You would not see someone die due to a 48 minute wait in a major city in America. This is Shenzhen, not some tiny ass fishing village. It has to answer to higher standards.

  • http://yoursexycousinrex.tumblr.com/ Your Sexy Cousin Rex

    And they wonder why they get chopped up

    • Nessquick Choco

      precisely put !!!

      good point…

    • Irvin

      So not helping a stranger in the subway deserves to be chopped up? you have a funny little head.

  • LaoShu

    Bystanders and onlookers are one thing…

    The biggest problem is the inefficiency of the rescue system – er that non existent thing. God forbid one has an serious accident in China. It takes forever for rescue to arrive.

    Let’s not forget, one dead person was seen as collateral for many years during the great leaders time.. a sacrifice for society…

    • TJDubs

      Plus, no driver will yield to an emergency vehicle.

  • Cameron

    If in doubt why not just contact the emergency services immediately? You don’t need to help personally. Just alert people rather than stepping over a lifeless body.
    Those people who walked by will now have a young woman’s death on their conscience, but at least they didn’t get scammed, right?

    • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

      “Those people who walked by will now have a young woman’s death on their conscience” – No they won’t. They’d just use it as a anecdote at a party or dinner.

    • Markoff

      people contacted emergency services within 1-2 minutes since her collapse, 48mins to arrive for paramedics is to blame

  • Stefan Xu

    One thing I find interesting is around the world and especially in the West, Chinese people have a quite positive image as civilized, hard working, and smart people. However when you go to ChinaSmack, the hatred and racism gets lose, people start saying Chinese are the worst people in the world, the most uncivilized, uneducated, laziest, and barbaric.

    • Surfeit

      I think ‘en mass’ such statements are quite justifiable.

    • ScottLoar

      I have written before, people from all over and overseas Chinese come to mainland China to visit, to see for themselves the transformation of China, to try and understand the world’s excitement about China, maybe even learn the language and the culture. Why don’t you ask such people about their experience of mainland China? And do you think the editorials and common comments in newspapers like 星洲報 of Malaysia and The Straits Times of Singapore are “hatred and racism let loose”? Go on line and read – it’s all there, no matter Chinese or English.

      The comments here are often extreme, the result of persons dismayed by their experience of China and too often staying in China well past the point when they should get out, but I find posting in Chinese on Chinese forums elicits the same amount of hate and ridicule when it is discovered you are a foreigner posting on their site. People who define themselves by posing as opposites to others (i.e. “we’re not like THAT…”) are usually narrow-minded, petty and wilfully ignorant. And just as bad as those they ridicule.

      • Markoff

        experience of tourists is very shallow, that’s why they like China so much, especially thanks to language barrier and lack of knowledge so they don’t know how are Chinese cheating them while smiling at them, not very different from land of fake smiles (Thailand)

    • Zappa Frank

      really Chinese have this positive image in western countries?.. It doesn’t seem to me.

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

        Obviously not all Westerners are homogeneously minded. Many do indeed view Chinese (and other East Asians) as Stefan Xu described. They tend to think of their Chinese-American middle-class neighbors. Surely this isn’t new to you. I see it quite a bit in the comments on Yahoo whenever an article about China comes up.

        That’s not to say there aren’t plenty of Westerners who have a negative image of Chinese people, of course. Oddly enough, it doesn’t really follow the liberal-conservative divide, as is the case with perceptions of blacks, Muslims, and Hispanics.

        • Zappa Frank

          I don’t think Westerners view all Asians in the same way. I’ve notice that, at least in my country, the opinion vary a lot between Japanese or Korean and Chinese…I know, in many time is just a prejudice, but we are not talking about that, but about the opinion of people…about that usually Chinese get the lowest score…especially about civilizing.Many things concur in this opinion, starting with China, the habits and behave of Chinese people more close and son on.. . It does not help that there are few Japanese in other countries and, at least in mine, eve less Korean, so the comparison is just based on nothing of real..(but manga and anime with all the subculture always have a lot of fans and this helps too).
          Maybe in US you have many generations of Chinese and there is a different situation, but where there are only 1st or 2nd generation that arrived from china’s countryside I can assure that no one think they are civilized at all.. they keep all the bad habits that we can see here in China…or better, they keep their habit that may be good in china countryside, smaller cities and so on, but are bad in a western country.. However, I can notice that even in Shanghai, in my office, a lot of people (in girls is more evident in my eyes, because usually I can pass on men’s bad habit, but I find nasty the same bad habits in girls, it’s cultural problem, mine, not Chinese ) have some habits that cannot be accepted in another office in a western country and would be considered a bad manner.
          I don’t want to say Chinese are not civilized, because the word itself have to be interpreted and everyone is civilized according to his culture, but in my experience I find really hard to believe that westerners think Chinese in china as positive example of ‘civilized’.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            Well, here in the US we have plenty of Chinese-Americans like Gary Locke and Jeremy Lin who have very respectable reputations as hard-working and intelligent, and many Americans, especially older conservative Americans, respect the traditional family values and hard work that they associate with East Asians. Many Americans now view China as super-rich and powerful, and naturally in capitalist America many Americans respect wealth and power.

            Japanese definitely have a better reputation, no doubt.

            As far as most older conservative Americans are concerned, better Chinese than Muslim.

            Most younger liberal Americans are probably more receptive to Muslims than Chinese.

          • Zappa Frank

            Maybe you are talking about americans that are just of Chinese ethnicity, and not of Chinese just arrived that still have all their habits.. However I don’t know what americans think, but what Stefan xu says is not true, not all westeners think Chinese are all good, civilized, and so on .. some think Chinese are even worse than what people in china or on Chinasmack say… and on this point the difference between Chinese and Japanese or Koreans is really big, because is almost impossible to find who dislike Japanese or Koreans.. while usually Chinese are liked just by some china’s lovers or someone with a certain degree of yellow fever that is just masking himself in order to try to get something..

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            I suppose it’s a little unnecessary for us to be discussing this in subjective paragraphs when the actual data for this exists.

            http://i.imgur.com/d55XS2T.png
            http://i.imgur.com/GPzErQC.png
            http://i.imgur.com/rlPVyNW.png
            http://i.imgur.com/leHvUN5.png

          • Zappa Frank

            links are about china not chinese, and most people seems to have a bad view.. however i agree that is an unnecessary discussion

          • Frodo

            Are these positive views towards the government? Strange.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            The two BBC ones (2012 and 2013) refer to the countries’ influence. The Pew Research Center ones, as far as I’m aware, simply refer to the country, without specifying any distinction between the people and the government. What aspect strikes you as strange?

          • Stefan Xu

            Most Chinese in Italy are usually poor Chinese working in some manual work in Italy or owning a business.

            Chinese in USA, Australia, and Canada usually have a university degree and work in the IT industry and are richer than the average in those countries.

          • Zappa Frank

            yes, but as I said they also have been there longer… they have many generation behind them, they ARE, in the end or almost, more American, Australian, Canadian than Chinese… they also have lost (or never had, depends) all the bad habits Chinese people have in China.

          • Stefan Xu

            Many of the overseas Chinese also come from HK, Taiwan, Singapore, and Malaysia.

          • Zappa Frank

            than we are talking about different people from mainland Chinese.. even if we call them all Chinese there are differences..

    • mr.wiener

      Familiarity apparently breeds contempt.

    • Markoff

      maybe because people in Chinasmack talk about Chinese living in China and not about Chinese residing abroad…

    • FYIADragoon

      You’ve obviously never been to America.

    • Gordon Gogodancer

      First of all, I don’t know which “West” you’ve been to but i never heard anything like that from where i’m from. And what’s this nonsense about hatred and racism getting lose? Sure, there is a few insensitive people on this forum but i don’t think hatred and racism is the norm amongst people here. You should keep in mind that the articles posted on ChinaSmack are meant to be shocking and the shit image of China they give are based on events happening in China and reported by Chinese on Chinese forums. So you can’t blame the people here for reacting on shitty situations that DO INVOLVE actual Chinese people and imply people reacting on those shitty events are China haters (if that’s what you are implying) especially when Chinese comments react in a similar way.

      Now for that last bit about people here thinking Chinese people are the worst, least civilized, uneducated etc. people in the world: In my opinion I DON’T THINK Chinese people are not civilized. Why? Simply because massive generalization about a people just seems ABSURD to me and i have also met great people here, but in general I DO THINK a lot of people that i see every day do have annoying savage manners (ask HK and Taiwan people) such as running into you like a pack of sheep, staring you right in your face with they dumb down or judgmental look as you walk over 10 meters with a girl that you may or may not be shagging and all this kind of things that make you want to you squeeze the life out of a few of them. On top of that I encountered so many retarded and sometimes radical opinions coming from Chinese people (through direct conversation in Chinese and not through the internet or others opinions.) which indeed leads me to think there are A LOT of Chinese people who are a bunch of uneducated, prejudiced, insecure little cunts who make you hate them because of all the absurd and upsetting assumptions they make about you before you even spoke a single word. However the thing I personally think is the shittiest Chinese characteristic is the capacity of quite a lot that i have met seem to have to pat each other on the back POINTING OUT how nice Chinese people are towards foreigners when 1) you didn’t ask for anything and 2) they can actually just be behaving like absolute pricks. Let me give you an example and i apologize for even mentioning such a pathetic situation but its just to give you an idea: I ran to get a taxi for a friend, her friend and myself one evening at rush hour in Chengdu. As i opened the door of the taxi i realized a couple of other people waved the taxi before us and i “stole it ” from them without realizing. The couple just let us take the taxi anyway. In the taxi my friend’s friend was going on about that it’s only because of me, the foreigner, that they let us take the taxi in their stead while she was actually trying a moment before to let this couple take the taxi instead of us. So my friend’s friend not only tried to deprive us from that ” foreigner privilege” i was honored with but also had to point out that it’s only because they want to be nice to the foreigner that they let us take the taxi. On top of that stealing taxis is the norm here so i was actually being quite Chinese. To that i say: “leave the fuckin foreigner out of this bitch” (I didn’t actually say that). And that sir, is the pathetic ordinary situations you encounter with many of the insecure, judgmental pricks here in China. Whatever you do, people here always make you feel you’ve done something wrong. Of course I should ignore them shouldn’t I ? Well, was i able to ignore that bitch who was with me and my friend in the same taxi? Was i able to ignore that other dickhead that i met after a friend took me to meet another friend? Was i able to ignore that other prick all those other pricks? That’s the whole problems with pricks here, there is always one or two around you almost every time you go out who are going to make things sound like you, foreigner, did something wrong and are unrightfully being nice to while you are just out to enjoy an evening with anyone you meet and make friends.

    • donscarletti

      “Chinese people have a quite positive image as civilized, hard working, and smart people.”

      Yes, westerners encounter those types of Chinese most in their own countries because they’re the type who want to get the fuck out.

      Hell, you can see the inverse when you meet expats in China, nomatter what the people in their home countries are like, most of them have poor emotional maturity, lack a sense of responsibility and quite often are pretty incompentant at what they do (naturally, there are exceptions to this).

      What’s the explaination? China’s a terrific place to be if you want to act like a total cunt.

  • Surfeit

    Shouldn’t Po-lice know first aid procedures? Recovery position, clear the airway, etc.

    • Zappa Frank

      police? metro station worker should be able too.. it’s the very basic. Just a little, only a little and she would be still alive..

      • Nessquick Choco

        that’s basic, which have been , and I belive still is, taught at primary schools to every kids around age of 10, maybe earlier. and repetition sometimes. And you may see, time by time, that some young, 12 y.o. boy saved life some others by quick action … we, imperialistic dogs, we are so shameful if we save other peoples life…

      • Markoff

        no, you don’t know what was her condition and I think it’s quite a lot to ask from subway workers if you know their “intelligence”

  • Phil_Hoffman

    Ah yes, things don’t change in the peoples republic of carelessness.

  • Markoff

    stupid headline, passerby called subway staff and police within 1-2 minutes since her collapse, the correct headline should be:
    “48mins waiting for paramedics kills subway passenger in Shenzhen”

  • commander

    The woman’s death, which would have been preventable, many said, if there had been a good Samaritan, reveals a growing public propensity for disengagement in other people’s business unless their vital interests are at stake.

    Can this growing proclivity for apathy and dissociation be blamed as a matter of individual?

    Negligence to distressing signals from people at risk of their lives appears to be widely seen in other countries, especially in big cities where most urban dwellers are emotionally and physically exhausted out and think of themselves as the victimes of a rat race and drudgery work.

    This growing tendency, eliciting deploration from many sensible people, poses a serious challenges to policymakers, along with yawning gap of wealth.

    The best solution to preclude a recurrence is, though sounding ideal thus requiring Herculeab efforts, to build social bond solidarity among people.

    The task of how to create that kind of mutual reliability even among stangers is left to the Chinese and the policy of hiring social helpers deserves consideration.

  • Dax

    Last year a hotel in my town in Hubei caught fire because the netbar on the second floor had substandard wiring. People tried to call the fire department for several minutes before anyone bothered to pick up. When the firefighters finally did show up from their station 30 minutes later (it’s less than 5 minutes away) they didn’t bother to bring water or ladders.

    China’s emergency responders sure are impressive.

    • Dax

      And yeah, 13 people died.

  • Zen my Ass

    Chinese are so damn scared of going out of their sensory shell… even laws and common sense punish the attempt to reach to somebody else.

  • ScottLoar

    Agreed, and although I understand the lawyer’s common point of view I cannot bring myself to agree that when the law is served justice is done. Serving the letter of the law and serving justice can be two separate matters; that’s where me and most lawyers differ.

  • FYIADragoon

    Its understandable. I’ve seen a few Chinese people fall in Shanghai, and I’ve never rushed over to help. It’s too risky. I’m not going to burn a ton of money in a court case just for good samaritan points.

    Also very obvious that the people blaming Chinese apathy didn’t read the article. The problem here was a 48 minute wait for paramedics, not Chinese people ignoring the woman.

    48 minutes. Dominos delivers faster than a hospital in Shenzhen does.

    • Markoff

      that’s actually quite scary idea to think about it this way that probably food delivery would be faster than paramedics in China, well obviously food delivery makes more money than healthcare I guess, that would be explanation

      • Ryo Saeba

        I can get a 10 yuan rice with BBQ pork delivered to my door in less then 15 minutes. :-P

        • Markoff

          well I guess any of us live nearby some cheap Cn restaurant which is doing delivery to nearby houses, but we should compare apples with apples and I guess closest hospital wasn’t few mins walk away from this subway station, otherwise it would be utter fail (which it is anyway, 48mins to wait for paramedics)

          • xiaode

            The next hospital is 500m from this subway station! (checked on google maps)

            edit: can´t confirm that the next one is a real hospital.. but 深圳市蛇口人民医院西区‎ (Shenzhen People’s Hospital) is also just 1,2km away…

            What did you just say?

        • Frodo

          I think you hit on the problem. When the delivery man arrives there’s 10 yuan waiting for him plus tip. What do the EMTs get? Nothing.

  • Germandude

    Thanks Kiddo. I find it very cute of you to constantly stalk on me. Unfortunately, you seem to be semi-intelligent and additional, a fucking pussy with victim mentality since anything I write seems to be hurting your self-esteem. Thus your need to bombard me with constant bullshit.

    I know about that Nanjing case and its affects. In fact, I am probably one of those that actually understands why Chinese don’t give first-aid under these circumstances.

    Regarding the situation, I hope that the laws in China will soon change in favor of people that are proactively helping others.

    Now show me a post of mine where I am calling Chinese savages. You interpret far too much into my posts. Does it give you a hard-on, or is stalking and trolling the only skill you can put on your CV?

    Have fun writing further crap, wanker.

  • FYIADragoon

    It’s messed up, but I wouldn’t take Vegas as an example of the USA anymore than I would consider the French Concession in Shanghai to be an example of Shanghai or even China. Vegas is one of the more embarrassing aspects of America.

  • Markoff

    yeah, I’ve found also that very strange choice after living abroad returning to China, she was asking for trouble…

  • Rick in China

    This wasn’t the fault of passer bys, “authorities” were notified and fucking SUCKED. This is the perfect subway station for ANY sort of mischief (Uyghurs on the way I’m sure?) .. 25 minutes after being notified by metro officials? WTF, THEN medical arrive, when they surely mentioned the reason is some lady is collapsed….WTF, absolute incompetence by the authorities – not the passer bys which apparently took 3 minutes to notify metro workers (perfectly acceptable response).

  • Progressive Dubstep

    This may sound weird but i have become more nocholant when it comes to death maybe it’s the fact that i am 17 ? i suppose at the end of the day we are gonna die and really it’s just dying early or late.

    • SimpsonsGoldenAge

      WTF is with your profile picture!?

      • Progressive Dubstep

        you mad cuz?

  • RealisticRealist

    China and Chinese people fucked this up themselves with the fake compensation claims and seeking anyone to blame but themselves. I was in Taipei last year and suffered a mild heart attack on the underground, got off the train and steadied myself against a wall. Many people checked if I was ok, within 5 mins staff were wheeling me out of the station in a wheel chair (somewhat curiously I had to swipe my travel card to get through the gate, no free rides even for the dying!), when we got to street level the ambulance they had called was pulling up and I was in A&E less than 10 mins later. No asking if I had money before taking me there. Got a raft of blood tests, ECG, EKG the works. Total bill to me was about 10US$. If it had happened while in China the week before then going by this lady’s sad story I would not be here writing this now…

  • Aituo

    I think it’s funny that no one has mentioned that it was a foreigner that stopped to help the lady. Well a foreigner and the Chinese girl with a red bag.

  • Aituo

    I think it’s funny that no one has mentioned that out of 2 people that stopped to help the lady, one of them is a foreigner. I think the lady with the red bag might be Chinese though.

  • RagnarDanneskjold

    This is the legacy of Mao’s rule, hitting its peak during the Cultural Revolution. He wanted to fundamentally remake society and went as far as destroying the family unit (having children turn in their parents). Now they just have some shanzhai morality called “Spirit of Lei Feng.” It will take generations to repair the damage, once they start allowing religion to play a larger role in society.

    • Tova Rischi

      Why replace one unquestionable dogma with another? Why not educate the populace with discussed ethics and logic instead of Buddha’s/Confucius’s/Tian’s/the Jade Emperor’s/Sun’s/Mao’s edicts? Or Moshe’s/Jesus’s/Muhammad’s? China needs epistemology and plurality in thought, not something claiming universal truth.

  • http://www.evolutionvsgod.com/ Rich

    We never were apes nor came from apes, and yes, due to our sin, we are acting worse than apes or any animal for that matter…it’s an insult to apes to even say we are somehow related. But don’t forget we were made for eternity, not in the image of ape, and thankfully have been given a way to overcome sin and greed…

  • TAKE5

    That time line would not have been much different if it were Los Angeles or New York.

  • Mighty曹

    This may be sad but the truth is the cleaning ladies and others in the low rung professions are where they are because of their kindhearted nature. They are not greedy or corrupt enough to conspire to be more successful.

  • Mighty曹

    Hahahahaha… that’s a great quandary.

  • Dick Leigh

    I’m Canadian, so periodically while I’m watching TV I’ll get to watch American commercials. I only see advertisements for legal firms and lawyers on American TV, and yeah a lot of the time it’s the “HURT YOURSELF? NEED A LAWYER?”.

    Right up there with ads for lawyers? Vern Fonk. Nothing else needs to be said.

  • SimpsonsGoldenAge

    Thank God I left that hellhole

  • Reptilian

    Travelling through China, I noticed people in the countryside, although more likely to invade your privacy by staring and standing too close, are the ones more like to be helpful when you need it. Something about big city living turns people cold-hearted. The rat race, maybe?

  • Vernon Alarcon

    in detroit, a playah woulda seen this asa opportunity fo’ a quick date….nowhadimesayin

  • http://thinsiqnificant.wordpress.com/ alice.

    It’s true in a way, I wouldn’t dump the blame on the passengers, like Seriously there are have been million of people who ‘faked’ injuries to get $$….the society in china is sad

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