Yunnan Ludian 6.5 Earthquake: Online Coverage and Reactions

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From Sina Weibo:

@央视新闻: #Yunan Ludian 6.5 Earthquake# Earthquake Victims Already Up to 175! 1402 Injured — According to Ministry of Civil Affairs information, the Ludian 6.5 Richter scale earthquake has already caused 175 deaths and 1402 injured (49 dead, 1 missing, 102 injured in Zhaotong city Qiaojia county; 122 dead, 180 missing, 1300 injured in Zhaotong city Ludian county; 4 dead in Qujing city Huize county). (CCTV reporter Li Yumei)

Comments from Sina Weibo:

唐宇宇晨:

Just a minute ago, my boyfriend told me he was coming to pick me up from work, but just as I had gone downstairs, he said he had to go, that he was going to Zhaotong to help with the rescue efforts. I walked on the big street all by myself, tears in my eyes. I know this is a soldier’s responsibility/duty, so I can only hope that he will come back safely.

Mr_凡先生:

My prayers.

不吃鱼也不吃猫的糖果果:

I myself am from Yunnan, and am very shocked, as well as very distressed. However, what I feel more is anger. According to conventional reasoning, a 6.5 earthquake isn’t considered big, and definitely not a deadly earthquake. But that the number of injured and dead are so high shocks me. This truly isn’t just a natural disaster. 90% of the collapsed buildings were rural housing. After so many years, the urban-rural gap is still like this. What happened to the money the government subsidizes to the rural? Don’t just use it to give the buildings an exterior coat of paint every time, just to get by [cursory] checks [by superiors]!!!

黄渤:

There have been too many disasters lately. I grieve for the dead… and pray for blessings for Yunnan. [蜡烛][蜡烛][蜡烛] I pay that there will be no more casualties…

无双小叶子:

The earthquake was big so this is a natural result. Yunnan’s geographical location dictates that earthquakes will not be occasional, but after all of these earthquakes, that the casualties are still this serious, just shows that this is not a natural disaster, but man-made. Stop saying “the world is merciless but people can help each other”. If a place has an earthquake and the government building doesn’t collapse but the civilian buildings collapse, then the government should blame itself. If a 6.5 happened in Japan or Taiwan, the casualties would not be this serious. Does Japan not have rural areas? Does Taiwan not have poor people?

兵兵小帅:

Everyone is sending their blessings about the earthquake, but are people paying attention to how severe the drought is in Henan? The central plains [of China] is a place that has consistently been neglected/ignored but silently provides food for the entire country. The drought in a lot of places in my hometown is already so bad that people and livestock are in danger of not having enough to drinking water. The consequences of slow/chronic disasters are no better than sudden disasters. I hope everyone will ding this up, so it can get everyone’s attention!

阿鲁迪巴牛牛:

Take the money found in the houses of corrupt officials and use it to build new buildings for the ordinary common people, and build them diligently.

海角幽风:

I agree with the comments below [previous comments]. Why are there this many casualties from a 6.5 earthquake? China is the world’s second largest economy, but…what are the buildings like in the rural countryside and remote areas where most of the people live? When will those who got rich first bring up those after them? When will the wealth gap improve?

刘筱康小k:

I just don’t get it, just what is the earthquake bureau doing? Is it of any use at all? When have they ever actually predicted [an earthquake] in advance [to give warning], even if it was a suspicion or whatever. Every time there is a slightly big earthquake, people die. This bureau, really, I have no words for it, and yet it keeps having the people fund it [provide them a living]. Also, for a 6.5 to have this many dead, this many casualties, just what kind of environment/surroundings is it, what kind of buildings? Ding this up.

鲁鲁酱-: (responding to above)

The earthquake bureau is not as simple as you think it is! There it a single earthquake bureau in the entire world that can be as prescient as you think they are supposed to be! The one and only earthquake that was predicted was the China Liaoning Haicheng earthquake. The one and only time. I beg you to stop being a keyboard warrior making petty criticisms. Did you grow a brain just to look taller? In all likelihood, you’re also a brainless uneducated diaosi. [鄙视]

Rescue workers carrying bodies out of the rubble after the Yunnan Ludian 6.5 Earthquake.

The Yunnan Ludian Earthquake is still a trending topic and trending #hashtag# on the Sina Weibo social network. Below are some of state-broadcaster CCTV’s updates on the microblogging platform that also broke into the top 10 of the day they were made…

From Sina Weibo:

@央视新闻: @央视新闻: #Yunan Ludian 6.5 Earthquake# Number of Dead Rises to 379 — As of 7am today, the earthquake has already caused 379 deaths, with 302 from Zhaotong city Ludian county, 1 from Zhaoyang district; 66 from Qiaojia county; 10 from Qujing city Huize county. ② Niulan River has become a damned lake, threatening rural resident lives and property. ③ The Ludian earthquake area is forecasted to have thunderstorms over the next three days, and people are reminded to be on the guard for geological scourges [mudslides, ground collapses] ④ Shale Highway has been cleared/reopened, and disaster relief supplies are currently en route to the disaster area. Ludian jia you!

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From Sina Weibo:

@央视新闻: @央视新闻: #Yunan Ludian 6.5 Earthquake# Number of Dead Rises to 381, Zhaotong Blood Banks Ask For Help! — ① As of 8am today, the number of dead has reached 381, with 302 from Zhaotong city Ludian county, 1 from Zhaoyang district; 66 from Qiaojia county; 12 from Qujing city Huize county. ② China’s earthquake bureau has elevated the emergency response level to this earthquake. ③ Zhaotong blood banks are in a state of emergency! And calls on everyone to go donate blood at the downtown Zhaotong blood bank blood donation office or mobile blood donation unit. Contact number: 0870-2235613/2235632.

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From NetEase:

Yunnan Ludian Earthquake Feature: Father Sends Off Killed Young Son

2014 August 8, Yunnan Zhaotong Ludian, Mao Shenggong’s pillow was the first to be exposed after rescue workers arrived and spent nine hours before finally breaking apart the concrete. Father Mao Changxue jumped down and with the pillow in his arms, began painfully crying. When rescue workers slowly moved the concrete roof aside, everyone discovered that the entire floor had collapsed on the bed son Mao Shenggong was sleeping on, and the couple [parents] immediately fall apart at the sight. Everyone at the scene was silent, while husband and wife wailed: “We failed you, we failed you!” For the last time, the father carried his “sleeping” child in his arms.

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“Hurry, we must get home, our son is still sleeping at home!” The very moment the earthquake hit, Mao Changxue and his wife were at Ludian county Longtoushan town selling pastries. Mao Changxue’s first reaction was to shout at his wife to hurry home. Husband and wife ran the entire 500 meters home. Arriving in front of their home, the couple were stunned. The home before their eyes had already become a pile of rubble. “Our son is still inside! Quick, dig!” Mao Changxue and wife ignored the aftershocks and dug with their bare hands… At night, it rained, but husband and wife continued digging in the rain all night.

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This night was the most torturous night of their lives. When day broke, nearby villagers came and helped. No one said anything, as seven or eight villagers cleared the rubble with their bare hands, digging out item by item, including their son Mao Shenggong’s toys. His wife silently shed tears but continued digging into the rubble. Photo is of Mao Chengxue holding the little pillow dug up from the rubble, wanting to smell his son.

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After nine hours of searching barehanded for his child in the rubble, Mao Changxue’s hands are covered in blisters, but compared to the pain in his heart, they are nothing.

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Mao Changxue silently sobs over the loss of his child, the pain in his heart indescribable.

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Mao Changxue changes his son into clean clothes, sending his son off one last time.

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Little Shenggong’s hand had gradually lost its warmth in the rubble.

From NetEase:

伤心男人心 [网易江苏省连云港市网友]:

Child, may you be happy in heaven. Why couldn’t the earthquake kill those corrupt officials~~~~

ailulu0806 [网易山东省青岛市网友]:

The child’s little hand, heartbreaking.

清风泛舟 [网易广东省佛山市网友]:

I want to cry. Rest in peace, child. There are no earthquakes in heaven.

听见梦字就想吐 [网易广东省惠州市网友]:

Those who are parents can empathize, with tears flowing.
May the little guy rest in peace. There are no earthquakes in heaven.

zdcl2001 [网易天津市网友]:

Strongly demand that the earthquake bureau be dissolved, and the state funds given to them every year instead be used for improving the anti-seismic measures for rural housing in earthquake-prone areas.

网易广东省佛山市网友 ip:14.23.*.*

Looking at this was heart-wrenching, the poor child! As a father, I almost cried looking at this…

网易广东省揭阳市网友 [省畧號]:

Now that Guo Meimei has been arrested, we can finally donate [to the Red Cross] without worries…

q35916327 [网易河南省郑州市网友]: (responding to above)

Shabi

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  • Jahar

    they gotta start building things better here. 6.6 is weak.

    • SongYii

      They build garbage. Just like idiots in Florida whose houses blow away in a hurricane, and they build the exact same house in the exact same spot, get blown away again 3 years later.

      • ex-expat

        That’s not true at all. I’ve lived through multiple hurricanes and no one’s house was blown away. Hurricane Andrew? Sure, but that was a rarity. If your house is not concrete block construction, you will have a hard time getting a mortgage because most will not insure it.

        • SongYii

          Oh, all those flattened buildings on the news after major hurricanes since I was a kid must have been computer generated.

          Houses without concrete construction get insurance like any other, but hurricanes and flooding are typically not covered.

          • Jay K.

            you are an idiot, perhaps you were referring to a tornado, or mobile home areas, which the majority in the US don’t live in. continue to be a keyboard warrior.

            Now be a good factory worker that you are and go make me my not yet released Jordan’s

          • SongYii

            Your words are abusive and do not belong in a public forum for reasonable, decent people.

          • ex-expat

            Well how old are you? You are probably thinking of Hurricane Andrew, which was a category 5 and a once-in-a lifetime storm. After Andrew, there wasn’t a major hurricane until 12 years later, and it wasn’t even in the same area and did not “flatten” any houses, so your comment of having the same house blown over makes zero sense.

            And, no, in Florida houses without concrete construction do not get insurance like any other. They will either pay an exorbitant rate or get denied coverage.

          • SongYii

            Eh, ok.

          • Rick in China

            That’s absolutely true. There are many factors in the way insurance companies determine coverage, or deny coverage, or include exceptions for specific events – and when you apply for insurance (health, home, motor, whatever) all of these factors are assessed to determine the result. Different insurance companies use slightly different algorithms (and engines) but for the most part they’re extremely similar. It’s not as simple as you need x in state y, though – there is data on the likelihood of different types of natural disasters or crime, the building materials, the levels of the home, the type of foundation, the history of the home/claims itself, so many factors. In this case, SongYii has just dreamt up a scenario based on some images from memory rather than knowledge of reality, or perhaps saw Wizard of Oz too many times.

            Some countries/states require insurance, after a quick google search on the topic – Florida actually requires insurance for things like wind damage, and mortgaged homes require full structure insurance. The law mandates that insured structures in some areas have to meet specific codes to be insured, and if private insurance companies aren’t willing to insure a particular home there is a public insurance option that will.. either way, the notion that people’s homes flatten and they rebuild the same shitty structure in the same place is absolutely fantasy.

          • ex-expat

            Yes, insurance is pretty complex. It is of little wonder that actuaries make such good money. Around 2004-2005, when there was an ungodly amount of hurricanes that hit Florida, I believe the type of public insurance that you speak of (called Citizens if I remember correctly) was the only place that many people could get coverage. Even then, there were a ton of problems because Citizens refused to pay out claims.

            It probably took you all of five minutes to do your research, which SongYii could have also done but chose not to. We all talk out of our ass at times, but I have little patience for people that are too lazy, ignorant, or stubborn to verify information that is so readily available.

    • Rick in China

      It’s not typically cities that are devastated by these quakes. Just like the quake near Chengdu, it’s all the outlying villages with ramshackle huts, mostly all the people who live there can afford, that get fucked up – not to mention when it’s rainy season, the ground would be especially loose/soft and prone to mudslides and such which happen even without quakes. Yunnan is a relatively poor province, lots of agriculture and farming – how would you propose the massive number of villagers who live in these farm lands ‘build things better’?

      • Jahar

        the same way we did.

        • Rick in China

          Over centuries?

          I’m not exactly sure what you mean by “we”. I’m quite certain that both you and I grew up in cities already established with all of what we’re discussing in place, so I’m not sure that you, or I, did anything whatsoever that could have prevented the whole “build ’em better, duh” situation. What have you built that has withstood the epicentre of a 6.6 quake, exactly?

          • Jahar

            we, as in people from countries that don’t build houses out of mud. you know exactly what i mean.

      • SongYii

        Come on now, though… do you have any notion that large Chinese cities in earthquake-prone regions are well-or-at-all prepared for a Tangshan-type quake? I don’t know myself, perhaps there is some evidence in the results of the 2008 quake. I don’t remember in particular how hard urban zones were hit or how they fared. I just wouldn’t jump to any general conclusions about the quake-preparedness of Chinese government.

        I think Jahar was just expressing astonishment that not an incredibly strong quake caused so much damage and casualties.

        • Rick in China

          “do you have any notion that large Chinese cities in earthquake-prone regions are well-or-at-all prepared for a Tangshan-type quake? I don’t know myself, perhaps there is some evidence in the results of the 2008 quake.”

          Um, yes. I do have some notion. Speaking of the 2008 quake, I was in the middle of Chengdu – my office was at Tianfu Square in the middle of the city – so perhaps your assumption about “jump to any general conclusions” is better left for someone else.

          Immediately after the quake of 2008, the buildings were evacuated. Once my office’ people hit the ground, I asked whether anyone had closed the doors/etc and nobody had – and lots of people had left their purses/phones/etc at their desks. They weren’t letting people go back up – but I went up the stairs. Upon getting back into the office to gather people’s things and ensure our offices were locked up, I went out onto a sort of ‘deck’ where I climbed up onto the side, and had a clear view out over the city, to inspect the damage…what did I see?

          No broken or cracked glass on any of the visible buildings, no cracks, no fallen buildings, nothing to indicate a big quake had hit the area whatsoever. The damage was outside of the city, countryside villages were *fucked*. Some larger towns had brick’n’mortor schools and such, which obviously very unfortunately fell trapping kids etc…..but the city? Nothing. So, I will make general conclusions, because I – unlike you apparently – was actually there and lived it.

          • SongYii

            I asked a question to get more information about what you know, supported by the admission that I didn’t know the answer, and the common rhetorical note of “I wouldn’t jump to any conclusions.”

            You give me the know-it-all attitude of a 13 year old princess.

            I’m starting to see why Dr. Sun gives you so much shit.

          • Rick in China

            “I asked a question to get more information about what you know”

            And I told you what happened, and what the situation was. You respond to my experience with:

            “You give me the know-it-all attitude of a 13 year old princess.”

            If you don’t want an answer, don’t ask the question. There is nothing “know-it-all” in my response, I simply pointed out you don’t know what you are talking about – and admit as such – and I do – through personal experience. As such, since you admittedly don’t know shit about the subject and question my assertion in the first place, I don’t have any reason to continue a discussion with you. Have a good one.

          • SongYii

            Jesus, again with the attitude. Ok, now I am absolutely certain I am talking to a 13 year old girl.

            “…and question my assertion in the first place.” CS readers, whatever you do, DO NOT question an assertion by Rick in China!!

          • Rick in China

            There’s nothing wrong with questioning an assertion, I was simply pointing out that’s what you did, so I explained why my assertion is correct – and you complain/insult me in response for providing an answer. I find it amusing and ironic that you’re calling me a “13 year old girl” – when in fact you’re the one who has resorted to personal insults when all I did was answer your fucking question. Come on, say it again, it’s fun.

          • SongYii

            Sigh.

            Your attitude, Rick, not your experience, not your story, not you, not anything else, just your attitude. I’ve read it before in the past, and now I’m the target of it.

            Maybe just a misunderstanding…. whatever. Let’s drop it.

          • Rick in China

            dropped.

          • vincent_t

            I am rather curious, shouldn’t you just leave the door unlock? I thought the evasive protocol is that you should not block any escape path, especially lock any door as you should get out ASAP, and avoid locking anyone inside.

          • Rick in China

            No. Our doors could be opened from the inside – so there is zero chance of anyone being locked in (also set to: fail>open in case of power failure). The protocol is each area should have a rep who ensures everyone is out and nobody is injured or needs assistance, and another to ensure the rep is capable/around to do that, and those two are the last 2 out – closing the door on their way out so we don’t have massive problems the next day. Financial institutions don’t like it when they have potentially huge source/security breaches overseas, and nobody likes losing a lot of hardware/expensive tech.

          • denvereen

            I was in Chengdu last april, on the 10th floor, with a chinese female friend when that quake happened. I think IIRC it was more powerful than this one in Yunnan. It scared me more than aircraft turbulence…no joke!! Of course, some rather sniffy expats in the bookworm later were laughing it off….nice city though Chengdu, just a shame it attracts some of the old losers and dipsomaniacs from the west. But hey it is the west of China, so like attracts like….earthquakes are another reason not to stay in the west of China, but to each their own. I know you are a self made bloke btw, so this is not aimed at you personally Ric. Just there are a lot of “chancers” in Chengdu, a right motley crew if you ask me!

          • denvereen
          • Rick in China

            Chengdu, maybe more than other places, has a wide variety of the ‘type’ of foreigner. I agree that there are certainly a lot of people who, for better or worse…. lets just say had major visa problems when they couldn’t hop down to HK for F visas any more. But, you must realize, there are a _ton_ of professional and successful foreigners here as well. The software park, for example, is huge – filled with foreign enterprise – and has a lot of foreigners working in the offices. There are also lots of people who have started their businesses in Chengdu and done great….. I do know what you mean about there being a lot of “chancers” (I think.), though, and it used to be worse than it is now.

          • denvereen

            Agreed. Now the criminal check is required universally in China it would seem, I know that because I am in Hong Kong trying to sort it out, and most likely seems I will have to head back to the UK. Despite enjoying my previous teaching job in Sichuan (10,000 rmb a month teaching technical english in Deyang…decent enough for outside Chengdu, and near enough you can head into the big smoke on weekends). Once I get that, I’ll go back to Sichuan…the food is definitely some of the best in China and the people are cool in general. Agreed there are a ton of professional foreigners in Chengdu, it is eclipsing Shenzhen in terms of IT now, but everyone has a different definition of successful so I will leave that one for now. Glad to hear you enjoy it so!!

          • Rick in China

            I don’t enjoy it that much any more – almost exclusively spend time with wife & baby, so our priorities of what we need from a city have changed. Namely, Chengdu’s pollution and lack of ocean nearby are hindering our will to stay, and while we can move to OZ, need to wait on wifey’s legal issues to resolve before we pack up and go (planning at least for half a year at a time initially).

            Chengdu is still a great place especially compared to the rest of China, just pollution and lack of ocean (or ability to jet around on weekends like I used to) make it less appealing for me given current circumstance.

          • denvereen

            I actually thought Chengdu quite nice in spring, but really torrid in summer. Yes, the lack of sea air and all the rampant construction would lead to pollution I guess. But even the rural surrounds outside Chengdu have it…the locals think living near a polluting factory that you can taste in your throat (not a nice taste btw!) as perfectly normal. God knows what the food is doing to them. Good luck on the move down under…just watch out for us pommies, we sneak in with the kiwis:-)

            Yes, it is still great compared to the rest of China, I’d agree it being landlocked and polluted is a downside however.

          • pink panda

            now i look down u more!
            even dare not to admit who you really are!
            go fk yourself. snob dog!

          • denvereen

            Snobbish, not me, that would be you.

          • pink panda

            hide ur dick head well, do not need your online shit game!
            get lost now, u!

          • Germandude

            Definitly eattot… I knew it!

          • denvereen

            @disqus_qpFQtxPJyF:disqus
            Damn straight dawg!!!

          • denvereen

            Your english is….

          • pink panda

            your mom is…

          • denvereen

            This would not be you, would it, my mom…well not your mom, guffaw guffaw

          • pink panda

            roll as far as possible!
            dick head!

          • denvereen

            That picture angers you so, perhaps because she has what you so desperately aspire to, now am I right or am I right?

          • pink panda

            your another loser and chancer too.
            do not ever write to me again!

          • denvereen

            I see you have had the mirriam-webster out.This is the internet dear, I will write on here as and when I like.

          • mr.wiener

            I met Anthony Boudine there 17 years ago.…The first word that came to mind was:”douche”

      • mr.wiener

        Aside from the lack of proper building codes is the sad truth that these mountains are very unsafe places to live. They are some of the youngest mountains in the world (so very steep) and certainly one of the worlds more active earthquake zones.
        Even buildings built to code would do poorly there during a 6.5 quake.

        • Rick in China

          Yep – I was actually in Dali last month. I’m not sure how powerful this was up there, but I can imagine – there are lots of really shoddy buildings around there and as you mentioned, the mountainous terrain doesn’t help with landslides and mudslides and shit that follows.

          • mr.wiener

            Is “Jim’s Peace Cafe” still there?

          • denvereen

            Some kind of soap dodger hangout?

          • mr.wiener

            Try “Jim’s no.1 special”
            ………magic………mushrooms………:……………::::::::::::::::

          • Rick in China

            Not sure.. didn’t stay in old town – stayed in one of those renovated lakefront places, mostly hung out over the lake getting sun. Only went to old town to get some xinjiang food and buy some crap.

          • Dr Sun

            it is yes

    • Surfeit

      I understand the deduction, but you are so far off the field, you’re playing a different sport.

    • whuddyasack

      Gosh, you’re pathetic and even you know it.

      • Probotector

        …and you’re not?

        • whuddyasack

          Actually no. I’m smart enough to know the socioeconomic condition of Yunnan and why building better buildings “the same way we did” is a stupid statement and completely disrespectful. The recent earthquake in relatively developed South Africa measures only 5.3 and left 1 dead. But 6.6 is weak…

          • Zappa Frank

            in Italy 5.8 killed more than 300…to be fair the town was an old town with old buildings…

          • whuddyasack

            At least one person understands the situation there. You understand perfectly, a lack of proper infrastructure results in higher casualties. The problem is further exacerbated by the fact Yunnan is one of the poorest and most remote regions in China yet densely populated. It’s tragic that the people there don’t even have access to clean water at a time like this.

            http://shanghaiist.com/2014/08/05/yunnan-earthquake-rescuers-instant-noodles-muddy-water.php

            In 2011, there was a powerful earthquake in Christchurch, New Zealand that killed 185 people and left thousands more injured. Its magnitude was 6.3 which is still lower than the current Yunnan earthquake. Now we know that New Zealand has specialized housing and buildings when it comes to earthquakes, flexible and highly mobile. So sometimes, building better buildings is not quite enough.

          • Probotector

            I was referring to your constant need to twist everything into a racist rant against white guys.

  • lacompacida

    One Guo Meimei is down. Tens of thousands of Guo Meimei will rise to meet the need.

    • yakkun

      just like Justin Bieber.

      • Surfeit

        Shotgun Orlando!

  • a.w.

    May all rest in peace.

  • Surfeit

    What is wrong with y’all?! I am ashamed of the immediate posts on here so far.

    Go spend a day exploring the worst streets of your finest city.
    Come back and then tell me how they should build things.

    You don’t even know you’re born.

    • whuddyasack

      See, this is exactly what I’m talking about. What’s wrong with them all? It’s quite simple. Overwhelming E3B.

    • SongYii

      Sorry, dad.

      • Surfeit

        I just got riled at the content when I saw it. Not really trying to school anyone.

        • SongYii

          :-D Just messing with you.

    • donscarletti

      Worst streets of the place I am from are all built by the housing commission, concrete foundations and reinforced frame, built to a standardised design.

      By your usage of the term “y’all” I would guess you are from a country without such projects. I think you shouldn’t stop everyone else being smug.

      • Surfeit

        Great story, seems you misunderstood the point.

        Few more puffs from that big bad wolf and you’ll see any house come crumbling down.

        I expect you’ll come back with a deflective comment raising shortcomings about myself and/or my country.

        • donscarletti

          I studied civil engineering at university.

          I seem to remember the professors claiming that the likeliness of a building to fall over in an earthquake, hurricane, heavy snowfall, flood, etc being related to how the building was constructed.

          Possibly just lies to aggrandise their profession though. I like your wolf theory better.

    • Hank

      I’m not going where black people live just to prove a point.

      • Surfeit

        Apparently you don’t have to.

    • lonetrey / Dan

      Had to look up the meaning of your ending sentence. Thanks for the interesting read though!

  • YourSupremeCommander

    Anyone saw the giant corn penis?

    • mr.wiener

      No , I was too busy watching the salad dressing.

      • David

        ::rimshot::

  • 各位云南的朋友我么为你们祈福

  • pink panda

    aiya!
    hope more people can help them!
    but mostly the gov should take the responsibility!

  • Hank

    “Mao Changxue’s hands are covered in blisters, but compared to the pain in his heart, they are nothing.”

    WTF? It’s sad and all but my hands have looked much worse after a spirited weight lifting session in the gym.

  • Mihel

    Death toll has risen to almost 600…

    Not easy to have anti-seismic measures that are both efficient and cost-effective.

  • Wololoo

    That is Karma. I remember the Chinese comments after the tragedy in Japan.

    • NightKnight

      You will see your Karma soon for making such comment.

      • Probotector

        Alex Dương Mod Wololoo • 2 hours ago
        That’s not how karma works.

    • Yakkun

      WOW! A big middle finger to you.

    • Alex Dương

      That’s not how karma works.

      • Probotector

        How does it work then?

        • Don’t you believe it

          There is nothing like Karma and if there exists Karma and karma works “this way”,you should worry about your beloved country America. Check out comments in Yahoo and tell me if your countrymen are gloating over Chinese people’s suffering. And I can still remember when earthquake struck Sichuan in 2008, a lot of Japanese and Koreans celebrated this news,and by your logic, I guess earthquake struck Japan because of karma.

          • Probotector

            I am not American.

          • Don’t Believe the Hype

            did u steal my username? what the hell!

          • Don’t you believe it

            I didn’t steal your user name and I haven’t seen you before. That’s a coincidence.

          • …what on earth did Probotector say to justify you shitting on Americans?

            Just because a British guy asked “How does it work then?” was enough to elicit that diatribe?

          • Don’t you believe it

            Firstly you should know that I don’t believe karma. Second I did not launch a diatribe against Americans. Thirdly, it’s a truth that many American netizens are gloating over this earthquake.

          • Firstly, I did not say you believe in karma.

            Secondly, you did launch a diatribe against Americans.

            Thirdly, “many” could mean anything from a couple dozen to a couple hundred to a couple thousand to a couple million to a couple hundred million. In other words, it’s a completely meaningless term that you’re exploiting to justify your slandering of “Americans” (95% of whom have probably never even heard of the earthquake).

            More importantly, your comment literally had no logical connection to Probotector’s. His question wasn’t hostile or insulting or ethnocentric or chauvinistic; he was literally just asking how karma works.

          • Don’t you believe it

            Probotector upvoted the comment. “How does it work then?”这不是疑问句,这是反问句.

        • Alex Dương

          Good or bad actions determine the future modes of an individual’s existence. You do something; you get what’s coming to you, good or bad. It isn’t you do something; other British people benefit / suffer from your actions.

          • DavidisDawei

            I’m surprised Dr Sun has not weighed in on this yet….

          • Alex Dương

            Karma is a philosophical / religious concept, not a scientific / medical one. I’m just pointing out that karma is, for the most part, NOT synonymous with vicarious punishment.

          • Dr Sun

            I don’t think the vast majority of the western posters on here have any real idea of what Karma is beyond what they got from a few Hollywood movies like “kill bill” or the “Karate Kid” or other such nonsense “the what goes around comes around” misinterpretation.

          • Kai

            Wait…was karma depicted incorrectly in those movies?

            I thought the objection here was people abusing the concept of karma as justifying bad things happening to a generalized people just because some of those people were assholes to others in the past.

            In other words, Wololoo argued that the Yunnan earthquake was karmic retribution for Chinese netizens who made nasty comments after the earthquake in Japan. That begs the question, was the earthquake in Japan karmic retribution for something as well?

          • Alex Dương

            Wait…was karma depicted incorrectly in those movies?

            Haha, I was thinking about that as well Kai! I think “what goes around comes around” is a fair definition or basic explanation of karma. The misunderstanding may be that what’s really important is that this is at the individual level.

          • Dr Sun

            lol :)

            I think you know better than that better Kai

          • Kai

            Wha…? I don’t understand.

            Edit: Wait…were you responding to my rhetorical question at the end of my last comment? Or are you referring to my initial genuine question?

          • Dr Sun

            Kai, you want to discuss this further then I’m willing to , but not here., this is not a place for any sort of mature serious debate / conversation between individuals looking to expand their understanding and knowledge, its just a site for racist pigs like Rick (Dick head) , probotecter, et al to vent their white supremacist, anti all and everything Chinese crap.
            I can only guess they never got laid in the 2 weeks they spent in china and its made them crazy.

          • Probotector

            You’re seriously saying that critique of China is a racist act?

            Again, what’s with the crazy presumptions? Moreover, how are Rick and I white supremacists? What statements have either of us ever made that qualify us as that?

            2 weeks in China? What’s with the arbitrary number? Try nine years, try understanding that both Rick and I have Chinese wives and kids, (which hardly makes us white supremacists and ‘anti everything Chinese’ does it?), then try to stop making totally unfounded ignorant assumptions about people that you know nothing about just because you disagree with them.

            I already said you’re entitled to your opinions; I guess you believe others aren’t entitled to theirs whenever you don’t like them.

            You call for serious debate then drop childish epithets like ‘dick head’. You are currently the biggest troll in this website. The only one here who needs to grow up is you.

          • Kai

            We’re getting really tired of the name-dropping “totally unfounded ignorant assumptions about people just because you disagree with them” comments.

            @drsun:disqus @disqus_5xS38xIeTi:disqus

          • Probotector

            I’ll concede then.

          • Dr Sun

            because its lame and boring

          • DavidisDawei

            BTW, I never received your expanded explanation via email

          • Dr Sun

            you never posted your email address, so how could I ?

          • DavidisDawei

            Disqus doesn’t send you replies automatically by email?

            I replied to you, then edited, so as not leave it up on the board – which I will do again now. TTYL

            David.is.Dawei@gmail.com

          • Probotector

            What’s British people got to do with it? You just randomly hating?

          • Alex Dương

            Are you serious? I hope you aren’t, but if you are, then the context of this discussion is that Wololoo misunderstood how karma works. He thinks karma is synonymous with vicarious punishment: you do something bad; other people get punished in your place. In this case, some asshole Chinese netizens laughed at Japan’s misfortune; now other Chinese in Yunnan suffer for it.

            So I refer to “British people” to illustrate how karma does not work. It isn’t you do something bad; other British people suffer. It’s you do something bad; you suffer.

          • Probotector

            Yeah, I get that, but why did you reference British people specifically? …because that’s what I am? So? There’s no need to point that out, unless you’re making some sort of subtle dig at me.

            Whatever, to clarify wooloolooloo’s (whatever) remark, (and
            I’m not condoning nor condemning it) he was referring to the fact that (in his opinion) many, or a lot of Chinese were taking glee in the suffering from the Japanese disaster, and so an equally catastrophic natural disaster that ‘punishes’ said majority Chinese (in his opinion) seems like Karma, at least in his opinion.

            This is all based on the assumption that Karma even exists.

          • Alex Dương

            You’re being overly sensitive. There is no “subtle dig” at you. You’re British, and I use “other British people” only to illustrate what karma isn’t. It isn’t vicarious punishment. That’s all.

          • Probotector

            I’m over it.

          • I believe he was just pointing out that karma applies to individuals rather than collectives (e.g., nations).

          • Alex Dương

            Exactly. Thanks, Matt.

    • Don’t you believe it

      I read Germany news and comments occasionally. I hope karma works.

      • T

        Let’s wish everyone all the best and no ill will

        • Don’t you believe it

          Yes, you are right. I was not being rational. It’s not cool to blame it on Germany. Cheers.

  • Can someone seed this into the China blogosphere?

    http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/perth-man-who-didnt-mind-the-gap-freed-20140806-1011qt.html

    Would love to see what the netizens say about this compared to China. I am sure people have passed due to a heart attack at a bus stop and been there for days before the regular commuters noticed…?

  • Probotector

    So you mean karma is violence against people who say something that you don’t like?

    • Don’t you believe it

      at least karma is not natural disaster against people who are innocent.

    • T

      Well, not exclusively to violence. Karma means action in Buddhist term. You reap what you sow. If you sow good seeds you get good results. I was being a dick in respond to Wololoo because the earthquake victims were innocent.

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