Shouyang Boy Refuses Duties While In Military, Is Discharged

Shouyang Boy Refuses Duties While In Military, Is Discharged

A boy born in Shouyang county in 1995 signed up to join the army in August. Because he was afraid of the suffering and hard work he avoided his military duties using every excuse he could think up. The boy’s manner was extremely negative, and he threatened a hunger strike, so he was withdrawn from service. His actions were illegal, and has been forbidden from entering grade school or leaving the country within the next two years. Netizens say that since he volunteered he is being given preferential treatment, and should be given two years of mandatory military service. If not they will have a credibility problem.

Source: qq

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  • Amused

    I’m just gonna take it on faith that conscientious objection or section eighting out just weren’t in the cards in China.

    • Percival

      Being a lazy fuck shouldn’t justify a section 8. Military service in China is absolutely NOT COMPULSORY. This faggot should be on bathroom duty for the next year.

  • Drone

    A “boy” aged 20… No wonder most kids over here behave like they are half their age: 10 = 5, 15 = 7 or 8, and so on. Hell, I think that most folks over here never really get past the age of 20 or so, and not necessarily in a positive sense.

    • Alex Dương

      Have you paid attention to U.S. news lately about how students at several major universities and colleges are acting?

      • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

        Yeah but that’s college, where you are expected to do stupid stuff because you can learn to live with the consequences.

        Army’s a bit different. Because one guy being a screw up can lead to more than just himself being in danger.

        • Alex Dương

          I agree that a 20-year-old behaving this way is not suited for the military (or really, any organization). My question was about two things: a) generalizing from one guy to 650+ million people is “kind of” hard, and b) “arrested development” is hardly unique to China.

          • Drone

            I speak from just a little over thirteen years of experience in the PRC. How long have you been in China, if ever? Also, I did say “most” not “all”. Get a grip.

          • Alex Dương

            Oh gee, China’s population shrank from 1.3 billion to 650 million? Maybe you should leave too, then.

          • Drone

            Why should I? I’m fine here.

          • Alex Dương

            Wonderful. So you should know why I said “generalizing from one guy to 650+ million people is “kind of” hard” instead of “generalizing from one guy to 1.3 billion people is “kind of” hard.”

          • Drone

            Yes, I know why, but I don’t really give a hoot. I call it as I see it — every day.

          • Alex Dương

            Thanks for admitting that I didn’t mischaracterize what you said.

          • Drone

            You didn’t necessarily, but honestly… People here are very often *really* immature. Much more than anywhere else I’ve lived in (four countries) or visited (about twenty). I’m not exaggerating. It’s crazy stuff. You need to experience it to believe it.

      • Drone

        Yes. They’re acting like they get offended about everything and anything. Very childish. This is website is called ChinaSmack, right?

        • Alex Dương

          It’s one thing to criticize Chinese adults acting like kids, which is of course fair when chinaSMACK runs an article about a Chinese adult acting like a kid. It’s another thing entirely to go a step further and claim that adult immaturity is especially Chinese, even more so if you are well aware of the recent farces going on at several U.S. universities and colleges.

          • Drone

            Well, shit… Maybe I should just fuck off and not post or visit this website anymore. You have a knack of always spoiling things around here, man, as if more spoiling were needed. Why are you so insecure, anyway? Are you in college?

          • Alex Dương

            China’s not a politically free country, but you are a free man.

          • Drone

            Probably much freer than you, chief. China is often difficult (intolerable for many), but it’s also been very kind to me. I have no hangups…

          • Alex Dương

            Great to hear that. So long as you follow the rather mild commenting policy here, you are free to post or not post. As long as I’m awake, approving your posts isn’t a big deal.

          • Drone

            Cool. Alright, dude, I should go. I was just checking for a moment. It’s past 5:15am over here and the missus is sleeping and probably needs some warmth. Have a good one. Later.

        • Mihel

          This is website is called ChinaSmack, right?

          Idk man every time I want to have a light reading about some China news it unavoidably ends up in a but-America-does-this-too kind of debate.
          China is probably the only country more obsessed about USA than USA itself.

          • Alex Dương

            My take on it is pretty simple: “E perché guardi tu il bruscolo che è nell’occhio del tuo fratello, mentre non iscorgi la trave che è nell’occhio tuo?” So in this case – adults acting like kids – it’s totally fine to criticize it when you see it. But I don’t think it makes a whole lot of sense to go a step further and argue that this is especially Chinese when you do see it in other countries, and not just the U.S. either.

          • Mihel

            But it is especially chinese to bring up another country’s mistake when something bad happens in China. Does it really need to be pointed that bad stuff also happen in other parts of the world?

            Btw there was a food scandal last week in Italy, but it makes me feel better that Belize, Lebanon, Tajikistan and other random countries have food scandals too. I feel less singled out now.

          • Alex Dương

            I think I’m not making my point clearly. I don’t mind if Drone wants to criticize bad behavior in China. I mind if he wants to generalize one person’s bad behavior or even that of several people to 650+ million people: “I think that most folks over here never really get past the age of 20 or so.”

          • Mihel

            Of all the annoying comments who really do unfairly bash China (and I agree there are plenty), I think the example you brought up is a rather innocuous one. It’s also not especially singling-out-China as you make it out be.

            With that said, I’d take your overzealous stance over any unmoderated China-bashing cesspool.

          • Alex Dương

            I agree there are more unfair comments, for sure. I would not have replied had he stopped with, “A “boy” aged 20…,” as the implication is clear that someone aged 20 isn’t a boy and shouldn’t be acting like one. I just want to make clear that that isn’t why I brought up the U.S.; it was the next part of the comment. I don’t think some college students acting like the PC police means most college students are intolerant bullies.

          • James

            20 isn’t really an adult either just saying

          • Alex Dương

            At minimum, 20 makes you a young adult.

          • James

            legally

          • Drone

            Indeed. Alex just doesn’t like me because I speak my mind and my comments seldom agree with his world view. He’s far too sensitive (and insensitive). I have nothing personal against him, though. He’s just made that way, apparently.

          • Alex Dương

            I have no problems with you speaking your mind or if your views differ from mine. I’m always happy to have a discussion, and discussion with people whose views are the same as yours gets boring, no?

            But it is a bit annoying if you want to claim that a polite reply I gave you was “less than friendly” or if you want to pretend that a passive-aggressive complaint was a mere request.

          • David

            How about this for a point. Why does it matter if you mind what he says? He didn’t use any foul language or make any racist comments. He said nothing against the comment policy of CS and yet you felt like you needed to argue with him for MANY posts, not just one because he made a common generalization about somebody in China on a forum about Chinese people. In addition to very seldom getting new posts, is it also now the policy of moderators to harass people for posting what they think (yes, it did look like harassment whether you meant it to or not)? How about your comment about approving his posts? That was out of the blue and there was no need to tell him you would approve his posts. In the context you said it, it sounded like a threat. For years I have failed to understand why you are so confrontational. I guess it does not really matter anymore because CS is dead anyway. Might as well delete this whole comment except for the fact that if he comes back and reads this I want him to know that he was not the only one who thought there was nothing wrong or bad about his comments.

          • Alex Dương

            Why does it matter if you mind what he says?

            You’re free to express your thoughts on this to me. Just as I am to express my thoughts to him. Pretty simple, no?

            is it also now the policy of moderators to harass people for posting what they think (yes, it did look like harassment whether you meant it to or not)?

            You’re a long time poster. When did we as moderators ever not give our opinions in the discussions? And I will push back on this: I was not harassing him. My position is simple: it’s pretty hard to generalize bad behavior from one person to a majority of people. Obviously you disagree. That is perfectly fine.

            How about your comment about approving his posts? That was out of the blue and there was no need to tell him you would approve his posts. In the context you said it, it sounded like a threat.

            That was out of the blue to you. Last month, he complained that one of his posts wasn’t approved after nine hours. I replied that at times, we’re asleep or busy and that if he were to create an account, his posts wouldn’t require manual approval. What you saw as a “threat” was nothing but a reference to a previous discussion.

            For years I have failed to understand why you are so confrontational.

            I follow the golden rule. I treat people with politeness, but if politeness is not reciprocated, then I respond in kind.

          • Drone

            I didn’t complain. I merely asked if my post could be approved because many hours had elapsed. It was a reminder, in case the post went by the wayside. Your reply to that was less than friendly, but at least you did approve it. Thanks.

          • Alex Dương

            This

            Can I please have my brief reply to KP posted, or is it too inconvenient? I said, “Yahoo is worse, generally.” That was some eight hours ago.

            is a complaint. The “is it too inconvenient?” part makes it clear that it is not a mere request. And if you think my reply

            No, it’s not too inconvenient. mr.wiener and I are just busy at times. You’re welcome to create an account so your posts don’t have to be manually approved each time, but up to you.

            was “less than friendly,” then you may be a lot closer to those college kids than you think.

          • Drone

            It’s too bad that you interpreted that as passive aggression. I probably should have instead said, “…or is it too inconvenient *at this time*?”

            The “less than friendly part” concerns the rest of our interaction at that time, which was not particularly cool, just as your posts here. Passive aggression, you said? The irony…

            OK, good sir, I’ll take off now, as I have no desire to post on this website anymore.

            Moderator win, visitor loss. That’s fine.

          • Alex Dương

            The “rest of our interaction” was the following:

            You

            Thanks. I’ll keep posting without an account, though. I hate working for The Man, if you know what I mean.

            Me

            As I said, up to you. But if mr.wiener’s busy and I’m asleep or vice versa, don’t complain if your comment takes a while to get approved.

            I acknowledge that this reply was less friendly than the first. But frankly, if you think these are examples of you being treated poorly, then you are really grasping at straws. There are times when I have made mistakes and wrongly pointed fingers at people. I did not point fingers at you in either post that you claim was “less than friendly.”

          • Drone

            Precisely. Thank you, David.

  • Vance

    What was he expecting when he joined the military? They usually do military type stuff there so if you don’t want to do that, don’t join. Oh…wait..I know! He wanted the paycheck but didn’t want to do the work.

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