Chinese Parents with 11 Children: “Better Than Saving Money”


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From NetEase:

Sichuan Couple Has 11 Children: “Having Children Is Better Than Saving Money”

“Having children is better than saving money” – He Hong has persisted with this notion for nearly 20 years. Now, he is starting to realize was “a mistake”.

He Hong is a villager of Sichuan province’s Suining city’s Pengnan town Santai village. In 1995 while working in Shanghai, he brought home an Anhui woman, and started a family. Afterward, one child after another joined this family. By 2012 July, before the local government educated He Hong’s wife An Huan about birth control, the two of them had already given birth to 11 children, and were called the “excessive birth guerrilla band” by locals. Even more puzzling to locals was that He Hong has not paid the “excessive birth fine”, and except for his last child that was given to a relative to raise, all f his children have gotten a hukou.

Behind all these questions is a what the local town government describes as the “thorny problems involved in their work”, the “loathing and ostracizing” nakedly expressed by fellow villagers, and the “lonely life” endured by He Hong and his family.

“A dark trap”

The second eldest is 17 years old this year, who says, “My older sister deliberately avoided staying here”, “In a few years, I also want to go out, and change my life [future].”

Flimsy clothes, messy hair, and only a smile to split their dirty faces. Upon seeing this reporter, He Hong welcomed me, as a flock of children followed behind, all dressed similarly.


“Say ‘mister’,” He Hong taught his children.

“Hi, mister,” the children said in unison.

“Forget it, just say ‘uncle’,” He Hong said maintaining a slight smile the entire time.

Unevenly, some said “uncle” while others still said “mister”.

“Uncle has come a long way, so bring Uncle in to have a seat,” and before he finished, there were already children running towards home along the path through the field.

He Hong’s home is located under a rhubarb tree in Suining city’s Pengnan town’s Santai village, a two-story brick structure, its entrance and rooms piled high with clothes and junk, and dining ware, food, fertilizer, and other daily necessities mixed among them. He Hong says, most of this is junk that we scavenged. The entire family sleeps among this junk every day, grabbing and wearing whatever clothes is near when they wake up. A local villager says, “Their lifestyle is a mess.”

On both sides of their home are collapsed hovels with only their walls still standing, some used to raise pigs, some as a kitchen. On a clear day, the stone furnace can spit out flames; on rainy days, the entire family can only eat half-cooked rice or cold rice, and the room where they sleep will also flood. When the visit of a stranger, their family’s three dogs bark incessantly, with two cats occasionally joining in. He Hong simultaneously admonishes then and explains: they were also found [adopted as strays].

It is in this building that He Hong and his wife gave birth to 11 children. Combining what the couple says and their family hukou household registry documents, they have 7 girls and 4 boys, including a set of “dragon and phoenix” [boy-girl] twins born in 2005. The eldest is a daughter, who has just turned 18, and who has already left home to work; the youngest is also a daughter, not yet 4 years old, who was adopted by a distant relative; the other nine children all live at home to this day, with four attending school. Due to long-term malnutrition, these children are all physically smaller than their peers.


Second eldest He Junhui is a boy, is 17 years old this year, and has already dropped out of school for two years. He comfortably entertains this guest with his father, continuously throwing out social topics like “anti-corruption” and “finding employment” to avoid awkward silences, with a maturity in his conversation that exceeds that of his peers. He describes his home as “a dark trap”, where one is stuck here upon birth, unable to find a way out. “My older sister deliberately avoided staying here, and even if it means going out to rent and work, she doesn’t want to come back.” Squatting down, sighing, he continues, “In a few years, I also want to go out, and change my life [future].”

The third eldest He Junyi is a girl, is 16 years old this year, and currently in her second year of junior high. She speaks little, often avoiding the hubbub, and stands away at a distance. She says her grades aren’t good, is often made fun of at school, and wants to improve her grades.

The fourth, He Junlong is a boy, is 15 years old this year, and because of fighting with a schoolmate, he has just dropped out of school. He Hong says the fourth has been in a vehicle accident before, where he suffered some brain damage, and now has a bad temper and difficulty communicating with others. He mostly laughs along, while his speech isn’t very clear.

The other children are all still small and not yet mature, running around in the fields chasing each other having fun, as well as doing somersaults in the piles of junk.

“Having children is better than saving money”

He Hong explains, “As long as one child does well in life, an entire family’s future/fate is changed, and [that child] can also contribute more to the country.”

This family’s story can be traced back to the year 1995.


He Hong brought home [married] Anhui woman Zhang Xingzi while working in Shanghai. That year, He Hong was 30 years old, while Zhang Xingzi was 26. A villager said Zhang Xingzi suffers from lacunar psychosis, and that He Hong had “found her by the side of the road” [“scavenged” her, taken in something no one else wanted]. He Hong says her wife suffering from illness is true, but she was not “scavenged” and they had instead met each other and fallen in love while working together. Zhang Xingzi professes she doesn’t know that she suffers from an illness, only that she occasionally has headaches. She also says she had met He Hong while working.

Without a wedding or registering for a marriage certificate, the two of them began their life together. In 1996, their eldest daughter was born. In 1998, their second child was born. In 1999, their third arrived. Thereafter, the number of children increased more and more.

He Hong explains the reason why they had so many was in hopes of using their children to change their family’s fate/destiny. “Having children is better than saving money, with each additional child being an additional hope, that as long as one child does well in life, and helps his/her siblings, an entire family’s fate/destiny is changed, and [that child] can also contribute more to the country.”

Zhang Xingxi for her part feels she is completely the passive party, “We didn’t deliberately want this many babies; we just didn’t know contraception, and once pregnant, we couldn’t bear to abort. Plus, my husband is a barefoot doctor. Every time, he handled the delivery himself. So over time there were more and more.”

Why was He Hong and his wife able to have so many children? “We’re poor, can’t afford to pay the fine, so they just let it go.” Local villagers however say the main reason is that He Hong’s big brother He Xuewen was the Santai Branch Party Secretary at the time, and was given deference. Santai village’s current village head Tang Chaocai also believes this.


“No way! I’m stricter with He Hong than I am with anyone else,” He Xuewen said in defense of himself, that the main reason for the failure of enforcing the One Child Policy with He Hong at the time was because the couple would not cooperate. “My brother’s wife has a mental illness, and my brother is also unreasonable. So many times we’ve forcefully abducted them [to receive a forced abortion], but feared someone dying [in the struggle from resistance]. So they had more and more children, offended all the other villagers, so of course they’re going to put all the blame on me. I too feel wronged.”

A deputy town mayor of a Pengnan town has a similar response as He Xuewen about this issue. He says this is a “problem arising from history [tradition, beliefs]”. At the time, the family planning department had done a lot, several times already having dragged her to the hospital operating table, but the couple ultimately struggled free and escaped.” That woman is from another province, and they haven’t registered a marriage certificate. When we check on/investigate them, they hide, so monitoring them is indeed difficult.”

“It’s a headache for the government as well”

Multiple representatives of the town government say “He’s always using county government leaders to threaten us”, whereas He Hong expresses being “very lonely, with everyone looking down on us.”

“It’s really unfair. Not only has he had so many children, all of them have gotten a hukou, the entire family living off the country’s subsistence allowance [welfare].” When the topic of He Hong and his family are raised, Santai villagers and neighboring Shangwan villagers are all very antagonistic.

He Hong’s family hukou household registry booklet shows that apart from the last child, all of the other children indeed have a hukou. With regards to this, local villagers and Santai village head Tang Chaocai are unable to give an answer [explain], whereas the answer He Hong himself gives is completely different from that of the Pengnan town government’s account.

He Hong says the hukou for these children were all acquired as the children neared schooling age by going to various government departments and “begging” them. “I can’t afford the fine, but after going enough, they also pitied me, and thus gave me [a hukou for his children].”


A deputy mayor for Pengnan town however says these children’s hukou were all obtained two years ago all at the same time. “At the time, He Hong finally agreed to his wife implanting an IUD, so from the basis of being people-oriented, we registered them for him.” Town government documents show that Zhang Xingxi implanted an IUD in 2012 July. The registration date of He Hong’s family hukou household registration booklet is 2013 February.

The “two differing versions” of this hukou matter is but this family’s real life in a nutshell.

According to villagers, He Hong often conspires with his children to steal things from villagers’ homes and fields. “As long as they covet something, it’ll be gone the moment you look away, so villagers close their doors the moment they see them.” During this Southern Metropolis Daily reporter’s interviews, scenes of villagers seeing He family children and closing their doors or avoiding them did appear.

The aforementioned Pengnan town deputy mayor’s shares the villagers’ description [of Hong He’s family]. He says, “it’s a headache for the government as well.” This deputy mayor says He Hong is “very rascally”, every now and then going to the town government demanding subsidies, and going to the county to complain/petition if we do not give them. “Many times we have no choice but to appease him.” Data from Pengnan town Civil Affairs Office Director Yang Yanzhong shows that starting in 2006, He Hong’s family had eight people enjoying welfare, totaling 880 yuan [RMB] every month; in 2014, they received ad hoc aid of 2800 yuan, and have already received 500 yuan in aid so far in 2015; every rural busy season, the government also helps him purchase seed, fertilizer, etc.; and in 2014 March, the country Civil Affairs Office also allocated funds to help him rebuild his home. Yang Yanzhong says: “Our original budget was 46,000 yuan, only for him to not comply with regulations, and forcibly demand 110,000 yuan in subsidies. If you don’t give it to him, he’ll cause trouble. It is truly holding the government ransom.”

Multiple representatives of the Pengnan town government express that they often suffer He Hong’s harassment. “He’s always using county government leaders to threaten us, saying he’s very familiar with them.”


However, He Hong, his wife, and his children have a different description of their life. In response to villagers’ complaints, He Hong describes it as “scapegoating”. “Children don’t know any better. Them going into other people’s fields to pluck a fruit or ear of corn has indeed happened, but I have never conspired with them to do so, and I even often beat them for it. Now whenever something happens in the village, it is all blamed on me, always cursing me.” Several of He Hong’s children also say their parents do not allow them to steal, and that they would pluck wild tangerines on the side of the road to eat when they’re hungry.

He Hong admits that he has received assistance from the government, but he doesn’t admit that he “causes trouble” [to get that assistance], but rather that [the assistance] has come “from begging time and time again”. As for the funds for rebuilding his house, he claims it he had to borrow over 30,000 yuan from the government with the remaining money coming from family and friends.

“Living here is truly very lonely, with no one respecting us,” He Hong says, many times having thought of moving the entire family away, but having no where to go. Now, he is gradually realizing that his original “having children is better than saving money” notion is wrong, but having already arrived at this point, he has no choice but to grit his teeth and move forward.

A piercing cry interrupts He Hong — His seventh and fifth child had a dispute playing cards and have gotten into a fight. He Hong and his second eldest run over to stop it. At this moment, the smallest child in the house has fallen sound asleep by the entrance, while the other children silently stand around their mother Zhang Xingzi. Zhang Xingzi throws more firewood into the stove, and then says:

“This life is hard.”

Comments from NetEase:

网易江西省吉安市网友 [wuhua12082006]:

I think the number of children other people want to have is their own business. If you don’t want to have one, that’s fine, but you can’t criticize others for having more.

tfm女司机 [网易山东省青岛市网友]: (responding to above)

If you’re going to have many children, you still need to allow them to live a decent life. It doesn’t have to be a very rich life but it can’t be like this where they don’t even have warm shelter. [Having children] in hopes of being comfortable in one’s old age [taken care of by children] yet being unable to give those children a good life, this is simply selfish behavior! I despise parents like this who can only have children and treat them as a flock of sheep!!!

娟娟的老公 [网易广东省佛山市顺德区网友]: (responding to above)

Can you rely on the government in your old age? Okay, I support that, there’s hope now.

别说我是新人 [网易黑龙江省大庆市网友]:

If this were fucking Russia, she’d be a meritorious mother [a mother that has made good contributions to society].

就是喜欢唱 [网易河北省邯郸市网友]:

When it comes to people, it is not about quantity but about quality.

南极剑客在南方 [网易江苏省南京市网友]:

We have several households in our village who in the past were so poor that they couldn’t even afford to celebrate Chinese New Year, but when their three children grew up. their household situation was immediately better. Unless they are exceptional, having rural children rely on education to improve their situation is relatively hard. When you have many people, they are all pairs of hands when they grow up, and when added together, things will immediately be better. They may not all go to college, but parents of this kind of family will produc one or two scholars…

网易四川省成都市网友 网易四川省成都市网友 ip:222.209.*.*

Animal World! [a CCTV program]

martinpudu [网易德国网友]:

Those who want to comprehensively expand the Two-Child Policy stand forward.

网易吉林省通化市网友 [月巴贝戎001]:

I happen to think his notion is correct. It’s like working harder when you’re young to increase your odds of success in the future. Of course, your family truly does have too many, eleven!! I think three or four would be reasonable. If all of these children are filial, then he’ll begin reaping benefits and enjoying life when he’s 60.

网易上海市网友 ip:114.81.*.* (responding to above)

Without a good childhood environment with education to grow up in, you expect your children to be filial to you? Hehe, way to count your chickens before they’re hatched.

无味半川 [网易福建省厦门市网友]:

This woman is having diarrhea.

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  • Mighty曹

    This is far more admirable than corrupt officials sending their kids to be Chengguans in an American university.

    • Paul Schoe

      Weird, rich people’s kids abroad that are proud of being part of gang that calls themselves Chengguang, while they almost certainly do not want to be associated with Chengguang when they are in China.

      Although, when you look at their behavior towards the other Chinese in their region, they certainly try to live up to the reputation of the Chengguang. So from that perspective the name may be well-chosen.

      • Mighty曹

        I just see a group of spoiled brats bullying on weaker fellow countrymen while calling themselves Chengguans as an intimating factor. (There’s a local gang here who label themselves as the ‘Taliban’).
        Putting badges on cars is just plain silly as the real Chinese triad associated gangs here would never even dress in colors as the black and latino gangs would, let alone flashing gang signs with hands. Chinese gangs here are too smart to draw the attention of law enforcement.

        • Paul Schoe

          Chinese gangs here are too smart to draw the attention of law enforcement.. Indeed, child’s play (as far as bullying can be considered child’s play).

          But the associating with Chenggang, albeit understandable, is surprising. Rich brats presenting themselves as a group of people with whom they most likely don’t want to be associated with in their home city.

    • biggj

      I notice that a lot about chinese people. They only fuck around with each usually.Like you wont see chinese going after black or white people or whatever and trying to intimidate them. Unless they are hardcore high end mafia.

      • Luke the Duke

        Says who? There have been plenty of cases of Chinese guys visiting Beijing nightlife areas and starting trouble with foreigners, in many cases going there for that exact reason.

        • biggj

          I’m more talking about places like america, canada, england ect like that where there is mix all kinds of people. Even in china I find it’s not so bad against foreigners…but it’s different in china. Of course there are some cases in china but they are pretty mild in comparison to other places. I know the laws have a big part in it….but take the philippines for instance, I find the males not as passive and more aggressive….but also a funner bunch to be around. this is just my own observation.

          • James

            well it’s simply because it’s a bad idea to go to other people’s country and mess with the natives there

          • Probotector

            True, but don’t many foreigners who enter western nations do that to the natives in the west rather often?

          • Alex Dương

            I thought the first-generation had a tendency to form ethnic enclaves?

          • Probotector

            I didn’t mention first generation, I’m talking about certain individuals among present-day immigration.

          • Alex Dương

            From the perspective of those immigrants, they are the first-generation.

          • Guest

            you mean like the muslims in europe? they do but not out in the open where they can be focused on and punished

          • Luke the Duke

            ‘ Even in china I find it’s not so bad against foreigners…but it’s different in china.’

            It’s not that bad in China, but it’s different in China? I don’t understand.

            ‘Of course there are some cases in china but they are pretty mild in comparison to other places.’

            I guess that depends what cases you are talking about. A foreign guy I know got attacked by a group of Chinese guys outside a Beijing nightclub and ended up getting stabbed in the face. I dunno, do you live somewhere else? Chinese guys are way friendlier to me in small town clubs and bars than they are in Beijing clubs.

        • KamikaziPilot

          Still not even close as bad as what asians face in western countries. I don’t think there can even be a comparison.

          • Luke the Duke

            I’m assuming when you say ‘Asians’ you mean ‘East Asians’. What do East Asians face in Western countries? I can only speak for the UK but no one there gives a shit.

          • KamikaziPilot

            Yes I mean “east asians” (ex. Chinese, Japanese, Koreans), they’re all the same in general. Also include southeast asians like Cambodians, Vietnamese. Funny you should mention the UK as I remember an article a few days back regarding this very topic. It doesn’t surprise me, and I’ve heard even worse, but I can only imagine how damaging it would be to your psyche to have to grow up like this. I’m sure not every asian goes through this (I haven’t) but this is a very sad and heartbreaking article. I guess you are right no one gives a shit (even the authorities), except the victims. Please have a read.


          • Boris

            From the article:

            Michael claims a lot of racist attacks go unreported, because of widespread mistrust in the police.

            He also believes there are cultural reasons for it: “Essentially Chinese people don’t like to worry other people.”

            “There’s a mindset within the Chinese community that we need to keep our business within ourselves, within our own family unit.”


            This is true for most immigrants and not such Chinese. Especially the first generation and those easy to spot as being non-natives.

            The word Chink in my own opinion is racist. For some, they don’t think it is. It is, in some places in the UK, used for Chinese take-away rather than a racist term. Not an excuse for the term – just mentioning the term has more than one usage.

          • KamikaziPilot

            I agree with you but fail to see your point, everything in the article was a sick display of racism directed at not only immigrant Chinese but British born Chinese as well. Even when the Chinese went to court, nothing became of it and the racist attacks continued. Sounds terrible and I can’t imagine all the pain those Chinese are going through due to their experiences. I probably would have snapped a long time ago.

          • Boris

            My point was that this happens to all of immigrant backgrounds, not just to those of Chinese. Change the background of the people to Somalian, Bengali, Iraqi, or those born with those same background and you’ll get the same news. The only difference I think there is that East-Asians are more dispersed around the country than most of the other groups.

            Also, the word ‘chink’ in parts of the UK isn’t used as a racist term (though it is in the attacks mentioned), though in my opinion it should.

          • KamikaziPilot

            You mean all recent immigrants are targeted for violence and racial intimidation for their race like in the article? Sure it happens to all racial groups to a certain extent, but it seems like asians are the most heavily targeted, probably based on being a perceived “easy target” that won’t fight back. I’ll agree about the part about hesitation in reporting to authorities, but in the article, even when they do report it, nothing is done. Also how do you explain those British born Chinese and other asians who 3rd or more generation also being picked on? I don’t know your background but I think it’s a common stereotype that east asians are submissive and non-confrontational compared to other groups, hence being picked on the most. It’s not only whites, it’s blacks, latinos and other non-asians that I’ve seen target asians. Ex. if there are 5 blacks, 5 asians, 5 white, 5 latinos on a street, and a bunch of troublemakers are looking to start something, my money is they’ll target the asians first. I’m not trying to play the victim, as I myself haven’t been targeted at least not blatantly, it’s just to me it’s obvious.

            I’ll take your word on your second paragraph.

          • Boris

            “You mean all recent immigrants are targeted for violence and racial intimidation for their race like in the article?” – Not just recent but those children of immigrants, 2nd, 3rd gen.

            “but it seems like asians are the most heavily targeted, probably based on being a perceived “easy target” that won’t fight back.” – I think this is more of a North American mindset rather than my own experience of East-Asians in England. I think it is more to do with how disperse they are. Take the example in the article of being 1 of the 10-15 in town. He is in the north and most likely a majority one ethnic group there. An easy target. You could change that to other Asian or coloured people and they too will be targeted as such.

            You’ll get the occasionally racist remark. I’ve been shouted at by white guys driving past in a car in London about ten years ago. As a teenager I’ve been attacked by a group of white teenagers – I’m a short skinny guy alone walking down a street where my kind were a minority.

            “Ex. if there are 5 blacks, 5 asians, 5 white, 5 latinos on a street, and a bunch of troublemakers are looking to start something, my money is they’ll target the Asians first.” – This will depend on how the people look, build and the area they are in. If the East-Asians are in an area where the majority are East-Asians, then it isn’t likely they will be first attacked. The weakest and/or the most out of place would be.

            On the racist term, I think the media need to highlight that ‘Chink’ is a racist term on par with ‘Paki’ and ‘Nigger’ – I don’t think they should wait for a Dave Whelan moment to do so. We are often told about other terms which are deemed something-ist.

            I would also like to add my own experience with East-Asians is with the South-East of England rather than other parts of the UK, so I cannot 100% say how they are perceived in other parts.

          • KamikaziPilot

            You make some pretty good points and I can’t definitively disagree with them although I still feel asians are targeted more frequently based on the submissive stereotype than other groups, even if all other things are equal (% of population, physical size). Other groups are just considered more aggressive, assertive and more likely to stand up for themselves. Ex. I went 3 different universities and in every one asians outnumbered or were equal to blacks. But in the classrooms, even if there was only 1 or 2 blacks in the class, they were always more vocal and assertive than the asians. So it’s not purely numbers. Just the way I see it, and thanks for sharing your opinions too.

          • Luke the Duke

            I mean that vast majority of people don’t give a shit about East Asians in any way that would lead them to treat East Asians badly.

            If your original point was that Chinese people abroad face worse than foreigners in China then think again. I can provide you with more horror stories of serious attacks on laowai in Beijing from just this last academic semester than are listed in that entire article.

          • KamikaziPilot

            Oh I totally agree with most people not treating Asians badly on purpose, as I think Chinese act the same, actually if anything Chinese treat whites better than their fellow Chinese. Most people just want to get on with their lives and not bother others. We can exchange horror stories indefinitely but I’m just saying in general, whites are treated better in China than east asians are in western countries, and I don’t think it’s even close.

          • Luke the Duke

            I guess it depends on where you go I guess. When I go to small cities in China some people get excited and give me the VIP treatment. In Beijing it’s either neutrality or the occasional xenophobe.

          • KamikaziPilot

            I’ve seen whites get preferential treatment in Beijing, although probably like you said not as often as in smaller cities. I’ve never seen an Asian get preferential racial treatment in the US, not once. Also in small US (and I assume UK) towns asians are likely to be treat as a least important person, as that article illustrates. Total opposite of China. The sometimes VIP treatment in China is the main reason for my conclusion that whites are treated better in China than Asians are in the US.

          • Luke the Duke

            By and large they are the same.

            And in any case it isn’t really a valid comparison given that the US and UK have a history of high levels of immigration whereas China is still almost uniformly Han.

          • KamikaziPilot

            I guess I’ll agree to disagree that “by and large they are the same”, I find the two countries totally different. As far as not being a valid comparison, I’ll just say compare a small town in China to a small town in the US, both largely of one race. There’s a huge difference in the way they treat outsiders. One rolls out the welcome mat (for whites only), the other wants you gone (any race except their own).

          • Luke the Duke

            I can only speculate as to how many small towns in the US you have been to.

          • KamikaziPilot

            More than enough to form an educated opinion on how they view outsiders, especially of a different skin color. Kind of the complete opposite of China. Anyways, Chinese are far more racist and violent towards their fellow Chinese and other asians than they are to anyone else. Probably due to inferiority complex and self hatred.

          • Luke the Duke

            lol. So it’s bad to do it to someone if they have another skin colour, but not to do it to, say, Japanese people?

            Chinese are also pretty discriminatory towards black people.

          • KamikaziPilot

            No doubt the China you are familiar with and the China I am familiar with are two different worlds. It’s not surprising really, actually I kind of expected it.

      • KamikaziPilot

        It’s pretty obvious it’s because Chinese are so much easier to intimidate than everyone else, easy targets, unless like you said they are hardcore mafia type. Any hardcore mafia types of any race are scary to the average person.

      • Mighty曹

        Back in the days we were actually dominant in the high school I attended. Nobody fucked with us. The school was like 40% Chinese (mostly Hong Kongese), 20% Blacks, 20% Whites and 10% Others. But we never picked on other Chinese like these fuckers did. We would tease some and make jokes about them but that was typical high schoolers stuff.

        • Alex Dương

          Interesting demographics. You said you were from CA, right?

          • Mighty曹

            Yup, San Francisco, where the current mayor is Ed Lee, yup, ethnic Chinese. The city government is filled with Chinese. We also had two Police chiefs, recently, who were Chinese.

          • Alex Dương

            I’m curious. Was your school’s demographics typical of SF schools, or was there a ton of variation by school even within SF?

          • Mighty曹

            Not typical of SF. It’s really based on the neighborhood. There are schools that are predominantly blacks and latinos in their respective hoods. But the city’s college prep high school that requires a certain academic grade to enter is like 80% Chinese.

    • Amused

      Calling that a “gang” is rather funny man.

      • Mighty曹

        Yeah, that’s giving them too much street cred.

  • Ruaraidh

    Lower birth rates and quality education > pump ’em out and pray.

  • Stefan

    China must start to make more babies, otherwise Chinas heading towards a demographic problem unprecedented in human history…

    • guest

      Well it’s needs to relax the one child polity, what it has done but even so people are still just wanting to have one child, they say if they can’t reverse it will be the first country to grow “old” before growing “rich”.

      • takasar1

        the problem with this ‘old before rich’ saying is that it is simply incorrect on too many levels. just look at the world bank’s definition of ‘rich’, china’s current income per capita and the year in which china is expected to become an ‘aged’ nation, on the level of germany, japan, italy, etc. it doesn’t make sense. it is simply one quote taken out of context and milked without anyone bothering or caring to back it up. it does make a nice soundbite though…..

        • Nathan

          Actually extrapolating GDP growth decades out, especially in the case of states like India or China, doesn’t make any sense.

          • takasar1

            growth in income per capita =/= gdp growth. wages, tax rates and economic growth are not perfectly correlated.

            still, judging from the examples which japan, south korea, taiwan and other ‘new’ economies provide, we can chart out an approximate rate of gdp growth. not extrapolate but judge, assess and analyse on a decade-to-decade basis.

          • Nathan

            Sure you can, which is why everyone knew the 失われた20年 was coming.

          • takasar1

            wonderful, let’s migrate from one extreme to the other. Nate, i wouldn’t recommend eating tonight since you could be dead tomorrow. waste of money your family could spend in another way.

            fact of the matter is that macro-economic trends develop very quickly, but these trends are decades in the making. just gotta be able to pick out the indicators. you did have people concerned over the japanese property bubble, you did have people concerned over the zombification of the japanese economy. maybe they were wrong with regards to duration. but people did pick out the problems. china is no where near peaking, japan, to an extent, was by 1990.

          • Nathan

            Well, a lovely use of the straw man in your opening, but it’s the ever so subtle self-contradiction that immediately followed that really won my heart.

            “fact of the matter is that macro-economic trends develop very quickly, but these trends are decades in the making.”

            So consistent patterns (i.e. trends) develop quickly, while also developing gradually over a long period of time as well. Absolutely brilliant, I’m sure your winning the Nobel Prize is already a forgone conclusion.

          • takasar1

            what won my heart was that you have the nerve to use the term ‘strawman’ when you quite clearly have no idea what it means. comprehension difficulties i presume…. quite ironic seeing as you were the one conjuring up this whole ‘cant-predict-gdp’ B.S when i clearly wasnt even talking about it. either that or you’re just too ignorant to know the difference between gdp and income

            of course, you simply comprehend a statement so you choose to mock it. how original of you. trends develop due to policy that often predates them by years, even decades. china implemented the one child policy in its entirety during the eighties, yet it wasn’t until the recent (2012) shrinking of the labour force that china began aging. it will continue to for at least 2 decades despite any loosening of policy that begins here-on-in, due to the fact that this 3 decade old policy set the ball rolling quite a while ago. i’d hope this is easier for you to digest, if not, i can suggest books. lol, well, either way, i’m a lot closer to winning it than you. not only can i read and comprehend, i am also no where near as ignorant.

          • biggj

            “i’m a lot closer to winning it than you. not only can i read and comprehend, i am also no where near as ignorant.”

    • Jahar

      That’s not how this works. China has to deal with the problem they created, and to avoid it the population would have to surge to a ridiculous level. 3/4 of the people in the country need to die before they should even think about making more babies.

    • Q Ball

      Climate change is inevitable, we are all doomed…

  • redgirls

    Love it my own mother is the second eldest of 15 and my father is the eldest of 10. I have 50 or more aunts and uncles and 100 + cousins. Never stuck for a bed. a meal or a lift..

    • Jahar

      This works in a country where people can easily receive an education or a decent job without one. You think these kids are gonna be able to do that?

      • redgirls

        This was 1940s Ireland. Pretty, Third world at the time but my grandfather was a gamekeeper, that provided a home, food and enough education to get on in life.

        • Jahar

          Ah seems you are a bit older than I thought, Or your parents had you late. But even back then, it wasn’t like the countryside here. Most people would have had an opportunity to get a decent education, and even if you didn’t, I can’t imagine your prospects were as bleak as it is in places like in the story.

          I don’t know for sure. I grew up in Canada, so im assuming it wasn’t too too different. I also have lots of aunts and uncles. My grandfather was just a working man, but his 9 or so kids all managed a decent life. Except for one who died.

          • redgirls

            Close i’m sure, but relative also. to, each his own.

    • wwwww

      where are you from?

      • redgirls

        I’m living in a small town in Ireland.
        Where are you from?

    • David

      Yea, my dad has 12 siblings and each of them had 8, 9, 10 kids like he did. Only thing is they all live in St. Paul Minnesota. Basically the whole Italian population of St. Paul are my first cousins. That Catholic birth control is amazing stuff. lol

      • redgirls

        Yep I hear ya, Irish catholic here. Lol

    • biggj

      Well times have changed. Try having 10 kids now and see if your not living like these people.

      • redgirls

        God forbid, thats not parenting thats crowd control.

  • post.human

    People are the ultimate resource.

  • Amused

    Let them enjoy their ignorance and poverty. As long as they don’t send some dude onto my tv asking for 50cents a day to feed ’em I could care less.

    • Taddious

      You COULD care less? It’s good to hear you already care about them, because you have announced that you already have a level in which you “do” care; therefore you are able to care less. So you care.

      Me?I COULD’NT care less. Because the level in which I care is impossible to lower any further. So I don’t care.

      • Amused

        Of course I could care less. It’s always possible to lower the bar further.

        • Taddious

          Well said. I’ll have to remember that one :)

      • Jahar

        Congratulations. Let’s talk about grammar and proper ways to use phrases in English instead of the topic.

      • 42

        couldn’t care less doesn’t mean you don’t care. it’s only that your level of caring has stopped to a point that you couldn’t care less. but that level of care could still be higher than someone else. so in fact, you do care.

      • Dolph Grunt

        I couldn’t care less if you or he or anyone could care less. :)

      • SimpsonsGoldenAge

        Don’t be such a pedant.

    • biggj

      The other day I was a welding shop picking up a part in the industrial area of the city I live in. And down the road come these 5 asian girls( I don’t know if they where chinese or japanese or what) and they were collecting money for some starving kids in asia. But their gimmick was to play you a song on a violin if you gave money. I had no cash on me at the time only cards….not that I would have gave them money anyway….they looked like old aunties with too much makeup on.Anyway they turned and left after I said I had no money and jumped in porsche suv down the street and took off… I fucking hate people like that. I know damn well that money was not for starving kids.

      • Amused

        Meh, I never give money to support anyone’s kids= I’m not their dad. I’m not pulling out for 20 years just so I can support some lowlife’s abandoned spawn.

        • why do you hate people man

          • Amused

            No hate man, just logic. Too many of us crawling on this rock anyways. So why reward some retard’s bad decision making by helping his genetic material survive?

          • biggj

            I agree with you. Look at these african countries where families are dying because they have nothing to eat…and what do they do? Make more mouths to feed….thats not my problem…they are just digging themselves a deeper hole.

          • Amused

            EXACTLY. If you live in a place where food is a major problem, possibly shitting out 15 kids might not be the best overall life strategy. And other soft-hearted folks feeding these kids people are spewing forth in areas that just can’t sustain them only exacerbates the problem for future generations.

          • Vance

            In some of those African countries, having alot of kids is politics. The tribe with the most voters has the power so families are encouraged to make more future voters. Parties are not ideological so much as tribal based.

        • Luke the Duke

          Pulling out is for chumps.

          • Amused

            Rubber is what a gimp wears.

  • biggj

    The 3 officials have opened a fund to help poor rural chinese kids realize their full potential when they get older….like selling oranges off the back of a truck, BBQ’in random meat and veggies on sticks, Making popcorn on side of road the same way they did 1000 years ago or hanging around street lights selling cell phone chargers when the light turns red. The 3 officials make dreams come true.

  • Luke the Duke


    • ClausRasmussen

      I enjoy reading articles like this. The length is just the consequence of thorough reporting and all the details and angles brings the story alive

      • biggj

        I find though some stories like this have too much useless info, and the stories that need more info dont have it…..but I would rather have more info than not enough.

  • Dolph Grunt

    That’s the way they all became the Brady Bunch!

    • 宋易

      Bu4 ri3 di4 Bunch :-)

  • FYIADragoon

    Welfare leeches. Nice, Chinese villagers have copied another thing from America. Though at least its not a broken household.

  • AbC

    I’ve got nothing against parents having lots of children… However, it’s fucking messed up when their sole purpose of having lots of kids is to give them the best chance that one of them may succeed in life to provide financial support to them in the future.

  • Guest

    My SO being Chinese and me being Indian, I can tell you that in both of our communities making babies is a favorite pass time. A young girl dreams of nothing but of getting married at the earliest and have babies! You give us a chance and we will populate your house with our babies!!!

    • YourSupremeCommander

      That’s. A. Lie. No chinese woman would want to marry an Indian.

      • biggj

        A Chinese woman would marry a dog if it had money.

        • monster

          i remember your wife is chinese, right?

          • biggj

            Yeah and I’m the dog, the big bad dog.

          • Amused

            Are you by any chance a bounty hunter bro?

      • Guest

        You’ve never been invited to our weddings, I see:

        You know how much rice we consumed in these weddings?

      • Boris

        My neighbour is Indian married to a Chinese. He is wealthy but he wasn’t when he arrived here. I guess his wife saw potential in him when she married him because he wasn’t rich when they got hitched.

    • 宋易

      Thank you, come again!

  • YourSupremeCommander

    Shit, and the people of the west complain about slave labor in Chinese factories. Compare to what life is at home, working 16 hr days making iPhones for $6 a day is DAMN NICE!!

  • takasar1

    your argument falls apart right here: “it’s expected to become a rich nation as on the level of the USA”. is south korea not ‘rich’ then either? or taiwan? the original quote leaves the meaning of word ‘rich’ up to the reader, but surely one would have to stretch to equate ‘rich’ with ‘US/Germany standards of living’

    • Probotector

      “but surely one would have to stretch to equate ‘rich’ with ‘US/Germany standards of living'”

      Why? Vis a vis the typical Chinese standard of living?

      • Alex Dương

        My understanding of what takasar1 said is that GDPs per capita don’t have to reach US / Germany levels for a country to be considered “rich.”

        • Probotector

          He said standards of living.

          • Alex Dương

            What do you think GDP per capita is a measure of?

          • Probotector

            He actually never said GDP / capita, but even if he did, it’s the same difference as saying standards of living. He said, it’s a stretch to think that the USA and Germany could have rich standards of living. That statement is entirely erroneous. These two counties are of the wealthiest in the world and have some of the highest standards of living. I don’t know why he made this statement.

          • Alex Dương

            That is not how I read his comment:

            is south korea not ‘rich’ then either? or taiwan? the original quote leaves the meaning of word ‘rich’ up to the reader, but surely one would have to stretch to equate ‘rich’ with ‘US/Germany standards of living’

            He’s not saying it’s a stretch to say that the US and Germany are rich; he’s saying that it’s stretch to say that the US and Germany must be the benchmark for being rich. If that’s the case, then South Korea and Taiwan aren’t rich.

          • Probotector

            Hmn possibly, but it doesn’t read like that at first glance; needs rewording. Perhaps “but surely one would have to stretch their expectations if they limit the definition of ‘rich’ to being purely toe to toe with ‘US/Germany standards of living'” would be clearer.

          • Alex Dương

            Of course, that is just my interpretation, but how do you interpret the rhetorical question, “Is South Korea not ‘rich’ then either? Or Taiwan?”

          • Probotector

            Well it made sense up to the point I mentioned. I thought he was just ragging on the US & Germany (the West), as if perhaps to say Asian nations are better than them. But we’ve cleared that up now so it doesn’t matter.

      • takasar1

        i get the impression that you know what i’m talking about but just want to start an argument.

        • Probotector

          Actually no, but whatever, be insecure.

          • takasar1

            Insecure seems to be your go to word, I wonder why….

          • Probotector

            What are you talking about? I’ve retracted my initial assumption about your position and admitted it was a mistake. Then you come along acting like “you obviously intended to start shit”. Do you really think I would have gone through the effort to reconcile with your position if I was trying to troll you or something? The fact that you even felt the need to wade into this after all was said and done would be only to save face for yourself. Is that not insecurity?

          • takasar1

            ok jeeves, calm down. yes, i just scrolled down and saw your conversation with the mod. chill. i obviously didn’t see it before. sorry. still quite curious, how do equate me wanting clarification (in an addmitedly sarcastic manner) with me being ‘insecure’…

          • Probotector

            jeeves? wtf? I’m not a butler.

            “how do equate me wanting clarification (in an addmitedly (sic) sarcastic manner) with me being ‘insecure’…”

            Doesn’t that answer your own question? You weren’t asking for clarification, you assumed I was ‘starting an argument’. Okay, you didn’t see the conversation with Alex, fair enough, and I didn’t know you hadn’t read said conversation. Can we end this misunderstanding? ;)

          • takasar1

            ehhh…im into hugh and laurie these days.

            fair enough.

  • Alex Dương

    Historically speaking, when Chinese singl males overpopulated ,they start war.always.

    Examples? The last time the Chinese started a war was in 1979 against Vietnam. The gender ratio was actually not that bad back then.

    • Amused

      I thought they were supporting their buddy Pol Pot there bro. If that was just population control it would explain a lot.

      • Alex Dương

        That was one of the reasons given IIRC. I’m skeptical that population control was the main motivation because (1) as I said, the gender ratio was not so bad then; and (2) the war only lasted one month. 26,000 soldiers died, which is a lot for one month, but you’d think that if they just wanted men to die, they wouldn’t have called it quits after one month.

        • Amused

          Yeah, sending ANYONE into Vietnam about that time was about the equivalent of jamming them into a hamburger grinder. Possibly they figured that out fast enough to avoid some unnecessary loss of life. As a bonus they did manage to grab some islands off them, so… meh.

  • monster

    fk it!
    i hate poor people make a lot kids most!
    should kill them directly. or their girls will change into whores, boys will be cheap labor or thief or whatever.

    • monster

      no wonder most whores in china are from sichuan or dongbei. fk it!

      • 宋易

        Most whores in China are from…. excuse me, where are you from, monster?

    • Zappa Frank

      you talk for experience?

  • death_by_ivory

    I’m sorry but that is their house?It doesnt have a roof.In such poverty why do people have more kids?I just dont get it.

    • biggj

      They are dumb. If they were smart and had common sense they would not be living like that.

  • I’ve got eight children, and I’ve named them all after Qing emperors. I like the idea of starting my own dynasty.

  • Radioactive_Panda

    Now this family reminds me of “Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar” from “19 kids and counting.”

    I pray for anyone who has that much children, that they can support them and put bread on the table for such a big family

    • 宋易

      The Duggars do well. But anyonne who keeps having children while living under an umbrella in a mudpit with dogs chasing chickens around, should not have so many (or any) children.

  • Anti Muslim

    Having more than 1 child should be allowed. Because China is importing wives from Canada, Europe, Vietnam and Asia overall. No need to nuke China. China will kill itself over time with 1 child policy.

    Just wait 100 more year and all Chinese people will be extinct.

  • Andy

    Growing up poor gives you drive and determination when you are older to be successful so your own family can live easier than you did. I have 7 brothers and sisters they are ALL successful and doing great. I thank my parents for giving me a chance to live. I am happy that they decided to raise me instead of killing me before I was born.

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