Chinese Tourists Arrested For Sexual Harassment in Japan


From NetEase:

3 Chinese “Pervs” Sexually Harass Japanese Girls, Arrested on the Spot

According to news from Japan’s New Huaqiao Online Newspaper, it may be that the media is biased in its presentation, or it may be that individuals are reading too far into it, but in the minds of some Chinese people, Japan is a very sexually liberal country with unique attitudes about sex. Many people know that Japan is a place where sexual harassment often occurs, and that this kind of behaviour is known as “chikan [pervert] behaviour”. If Chinese people know only these things, and they think they know Japan, and think that sexual harassment is insignificant to the point where you can boldly just “give it a shot” while traveling around Japan, than they’re wrong! This kind of misconception will lead to legal consequences, from being fined to prison time.

Information from Japanese police revealed that 3 Chinese tourists were recently detained in succession for violating the “Confusion Prevention Code”. They are suspected of sexual harassment and were considered by police to have been caught red-handed and thus arrested. Among them, one used a mobile phone camera to take an underskirt photo of a woman on an escalator in a mall, one lifted up the skirt of a female passenger while riding a tram, and one man groped a woman’s buttocks while shopping in an adult products store. Although the acts of the three men were different, they all met the same result — being grabbed by their victims and held until police arrived and arrested them at the scene.

According to Japan’s “Confusion Prevention Code” Provision 8, “Perverted Behavior” is punishable by 6 months in prison or a fine of 500,000 Yen. Secretly taking pictures is punishable by one year in prison or a fine of 100,000 Yen and punishments increase for repeat offenders. According to Japanese criminal law regulation 176, in relation to “forced molestation”, the offender can be imprisoned between 6 months and 10 years. After police verify a case, they will first detain the offender. The offender can then choose their own lawyer, or the Japanese government will provide one. In cases where the victim is not willing to settle, the offender will be punished severely in accordance with related laws.

Normally, in situations with Japanese women suffering mental/emotional distress, they often are not willing to make settlements, so the offender will usually be sentenced to the highest possible sentence. For this reason, many Japanese men have lost their reputations and families, making it hard to get their lives back on track. Stories like these are a common occurrence in the Japanese media.

To avoid suspicion, many Japanese men will bring a newspaper on the subway or train during rush hour before and after work. If there are no hand-holds available in the car and they are near women, they place their briefcase in one hand and the newspaper in the other to prove that they don’t have any hands free for “other activities”. The fear that most Japanese men have of becoming entangled in a “perverted behaviour” dispute is quite evident. On the other hand, the Japanese government has carried out all kinds of measures to reduce the possibility of “perverted behaviour” occurring, such as reminding women not to wear excessively revealing clothing and to avoid tightly-packed crowds consisting of mostly men.

Actually, people who have a deep understanding of Japanese society and culture know that the overwhelming majority of modern Japanese women are no longer like the historically weak/delicate “Yamato Nadeshiko”. They have the sense and awareness of self-protection that modern women in modern societies have, no longer like the “silent sheep” of the male-dominated society of the past. When they encounter “perverted behavior”, they no longer suffer in silence, and will often react in the blink of an eye, grabbing the offender on the spot, sometimes “willing to grab the wrong person rather than miss a guilty one”. At the same time, almost all public places are sprinkled with security cameras making it even more difficult for perpetrators to escape. Once they’ve entered the legal process, the rate of Japanese women forgiving offenders is nearly zero.

What is very important to pay attention to is the fact that Japanese judicial institutions will not be lenient to foreigners on the grounds of ethnicity, cultural differences, systems or different customs. In some cases there are trends of dealing stricter punishments to foreigners.

Sound the alarm bells! The “perverted behaviour” of these individual Chinese citizens in Japan goes beyond the realm of good and bad manners, and crosses over into criminal behavior. Not only will this kind of behaviour lead to legal consequences and punishment, once you have a criminal record it will be very difficult to get back into Japan. Because the Japanese system shares information with western countries, your criminal record can interfere with your ability to visit other countries. Furthermore, this kind of behaviour will damage the reputation of overseas Chinese, and the reputation of China. Every person who damages the image of China is despised by the Chinese people.

Note: Image above is illustrative only and is not related to the story.

Comments from NetEase:

柳叶湖畔 [网易湖南省常德市网友]:

If you’ve ever been to Japan, you would know the buildings in Tokyo aren’t even as good as the buildings in a third-tier Chinese city, and yet the truth about Japan’s disorder, filth, and inferiority becomes perfection in the reports of the black-hearted [corrupt] media. Who knows how much dirty money these corrupt media have accepted from the Japanese pirates.

网易福建省厦门市网友 ip:124.15.*.* (In response to the 1st comment)

Frog at the bottom of the well.

范伟骑范玮琪 [网易天津市手机网友]: (In response to the 1st comment)

I bet this guy has never stepped out of the gorge that his home is in.

逐月之风 [网易日本手机网友]: (In response to the 1st comment)

I’m in Japan right now but don’t feel that way.

藤堂君 [网易广西手机网友]: (In response to the 1st comment)

Of course Tokyo isn’t as amazing as your Changde [a prefecture level city in Hunan] and it pales even more in comparison to the metropolis Changsha.😊 [Capital of Hunan]

网易天津市手机网友 ip:60.28.*.* (In response to the 1st comment)

Excuse me, have you ever been there? Get back to moving bricks [the stereotypical manual labor of a low-class Chinese laborer]. You want to make other people hate Japan with you?

网易日本手机网友 ip:119.241.*.* (In response to the 1st comment)

Architecture and cleanliness aren’t the same thing. Have you ever been to Japan? Look around, Japan is the cleanest country on earth.

网易日本手机网友 ip:126.152.*.* (In response to the 1st comment)

I am from Shanghai, and am studying abroad in Tokyo. How come I feel completely different from what you said?

网易浙江省湖州市网友 ip:122.230.*.*

The chikan AV [adult videos featuring public molestation] they watched must exceed a thousand.

大裤衩里话性福 [网易陕西省西安市网友]:

Through a large data analysis, every report about so-called Chinese tourists in Japan behaving so and so all come from Shanghai media, like the Morning Post. They have a tendency toward being Chinese traitors.

106737443 [网易广东省揭阳市普宁市网友]:

They’ve seen too many public molestation videos.

宗泽大元帅 [脑洞大开]:

Deserved it! You’ve got the balls but no skills. Caught on the scene? You’re an embarrassment to Chinese perverts!

格洛丽亚 [网易北京市朝阳区网友]:

All the [Japanese] pornos are lies.

fanglkj [网易浙江省杭州市网友]:

Have these guys just watched too much Tokyo Hot or did they go to get revenge on behalf of all Chinese?

举杯愁 [网易河南省平顶山市手机网友]:

Just how shameless must you be to say this.< /span>

上海大炮 [网易福建省厦门市手机网友]:

[They] thought Japanese girls were really open, but actually they are the exact opposite, and even more conservative than Chinese women.

Comments from Phoenix Online:

凤凰网辽宁省沈阳市网友: x亮

Anybody who goes to Japan to travel is inherently crazy. That this kind of thing happens is thus expected.

凤凰网广东省广州市网友: owenlee

They’ve seen too many island movies! [Japanese pornos]

凤凰网广东省广州市网友: 山本长弓

If this is true I hope they get executed and don’t come back.

凤凰网四川省成都市网友: 黑黑黑黑黑黑黑

Goodness, If you want to blame someone, blame the Japanese pornos. This is how a lot of them were filmed!

凤凰网辽宁省大连市网友: 酒风

Ignorant tuhao, got what was coming.

凤凰网江西省南昌市网友: cae30974-fbd7-45fe-a620-

The depraved Japanese country pretends to be demure but is historically the most shameless, morally loose, vulgar, crazy, the most perverse country of depravity!

凤凰网四川省成都市网友: 邪刀

There’s no need to defend these people.

凤凰网广西壮族南宁市网友: 讨厌昵称

Well arrested.

凤凰网广东省梅州市网友: 我的7878

Even losing face is internationalised.

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  • Andrew

    Finally! The comments are back!

    • JadedSamurai
    • 42

      Do you feel superior hiding behind your computer watching some foreign blog comments being translated? How about learning chinese, subscribe to their forums, and you can read tons of comments as you like. Now thats an idea isn’t it? Often western webpages and news outlets are blocked in China, but chinese webpages however are free to visit. So I do not know why websites like chinasmack even exists. It should be the other way around, let chinese people read western news. Show them the oh so freedom of speech full of moral websites we have in the west and enlighten them, or will they?

      • Andrew

        I do speak Chinese. ChinaSmack exists so that we can read the most popular comments from various news forums all summed up in one place, and my comment was a celebration of its return.

        • 42

          who says these are the most popular comments and the most popular news? who knows for sure? the mods make you read what they want you to read, thats all.

          • Andrew

            You sound like you’re only here to patronize. If that’s the case then 你可以自己去中国网站上看看这些是不是最流行的评论。Spoiler alert: they are. Or did you even understand what I just said?

          • 42

            The only thing I can say is that the ignorant will feel patronized easily.

          • Alex Dương

            I would like to follow up on Andrew’s reply. You can verify for yourself that the translated comments are among the most highly upvoted. So it is ignorant of you to suggest that they were chosen for reasons other than popularity.

          • 42

            Even if I can verify for myself that these netizens comments are amongst the most popular ones. Most visitors here on chinasmack cant. So basically you only get to read what the mods want you to read, that makes chinasmack not a reliable newsoutlet, its entertaining, but not reliable.

          • Alex Dương

            Even if I can verify for myself that these netizens comments are amongst the most popular ones. Most visitors here on chinasmack cant. So basically you only get to read what the mods want you to read

            So what if most people can’t? That doesn’t mean chinaSMACK is pushing an agenda. To go back to your original and quite frankly ridiculous rhetorical questions, “who says these are the most popular comments and the most popular news? who knows for sure?”

            Anyone who knows Chinese can verify and know for sure. chinaSMACK links to the original articles and the translated comments have the original Chinese in alt text. Nothing is hidden. If you think that chinaSMACK has deliberately omitted a comment more highly upvoted than what was included at the time of posting, feel free to point it out.

          • 42

            You and I know that the internet attracts all extremes, from one end to the line to the other. The netizens comments who have the highest upvotes doesnt mean majority of the chinese society thinks or have the same idea like him or her. So in fact including netizens comments in news articles like this and distributing it to expats or western readers distorts the perception of the everyday ordinary chinese person.So it cannot be considered a reliable source to view chinese society. Many people treat chinasmack as entertainment which I think it is, but also many ignorant people will truly believe some of these netizens comments are what chinese are all about and treat it as a representation. However to truly know ones perspective you need to debate. But that is just the one thing chinasmack is lacking off. But I can understand that is not the goal of chinasmack, and probably doesnt have the means to implement such a platform.

          • Alex Dương

            The netizens comments who have the highest upvotes doesnt mean majority of the chinese society thinks or have the same idea like him or her. So in fact including netizens comments in news articles like this and distributing it to expats or western readers distorts the perception of the everyday ordinary chinese person.

            Now you’re talking about something else.

          • Bman

            I live in China; I’m used to unreliable media. Perhaps you should go take a nap, you seem cranky…

          • Eddie spaghetti

            All media is edited, whats your point?

      • Gordon Gogodancer

        oh boy

      • mr.wiener

        If this is the case, why do you hang out ar CS?
        Is it just to tell people not to hang out at CS?

        • Dolph Grunt

          He’s here to make friends… duh :)

          • 42

            We could be golf buddies, just watch out where i swing the club.

        • 42

          I am not telling people to stay away from chinasmack, I’m okay with the selective chinese news, I’m just saying the concept of judging on netizens comments behind their backs without them able to defend themselves is alltogether a pathetic and rude idea.

          when i come to chinasmack i almost always skip the netizens comments and go straight to the chinasmack comments to read what kind of bias and narrow mindedness people have chalked up here again.

          you could say i am here to give a different opinion on the matter and educate you lot.

          i am not hiding behind my computer talking behind peoples back, i am not afraid to face this challenge and interact, but some people on chinasmack tend to get insecure when the cards turn and suddenly they are the ones who gets ridiculed upon and critisized on.

          • mr.wiener

            Ahhh… Enlightenment dawns, you come here to be offended.

          • I lol’d :D

          • 42

            As I said, I am up for the challenge, if people are able to offend me while making their point, more power to ya.

            Like Clint Eastwoods, Dirty Harry would have said “Go ahead, make my day punk”

          • mr.wiener

            Filthy wiener says: “Go ahead, make my lunch”.

          • Vance

            Everyone needs a favorite hobby…

          • Ummm…. I lived in China for 10 years. Nothing I read here is out of line with my experiences or expectations.

      • Mihel

        How about learning chinese, subscribe to their forums, and you can read tons of comments as you like, and even interact with them.
        So I do not know why websites like chinasmack even exists. The chinese news are for the grabbing.

        Have you ever thought that this site is actually a learning tool for people who are studying chinese? Idk the fact the original text is there in an unobtrusive way makes it both convenient and appealing to the eye.

        It should be the other way around, let chinese people read authentic western news.

        Don’t they do this all the time? There are more chinese people speaking english than the other way around, they need translating sites less than we do.

        • 42

          thats the whole point, why are chinese able to take the effort to learn english, and non chinese not able to learn chinese? language barrier is a lame excuse!

          • Mihel

            There’s a huge gap between taking the effort to study one language and actually understanding it without using external tools.
            As a person who speaks neither english nor chinese natively, I can tell you learning chinese is proving to be a lot harder, more expensive and more time consuming than studying english, because there’s so few material outside textbooks that eases the transition from “wo shi waiguo ren” level to decent level. This site helps by providing stuff that’s interesting to read + translation + explaining some puns/jokes/colloquialisms that you won’t find in your average chinese textbook.

          • Vance

            Also, if I understand correctly, this site was started by Chinese speaking people who were learning English and thought this would be a good way to practice. The whole point of this site is cross language translation and cross cultural study.

          • guest

            Because it’s forced onto them in school while in the west your more likely to be forced to do French, Spanish, German or or three.

            You may had said the same for India and China.

          • Because the quality of Chinese language curriculum is based in he 1950’s while the English ones are quite modern in their use of pedagogical techniques. That and Chinese is not a modern language and lacks a basic phonetic alphabet unless stuck with Pinyin. It takes more effort and dedication to learn Chinese than it does English, or French or Spanish…

          • Alex Dương

            That’s a really ethnocentric view. It takes less effort and dedication for YOU to learn French or Spanish compared to a Chinese person because English shares a common alphabet and substantial vocabulary with those two languages whereas Chinese does not. I hope you don’t think on average you have an easier time learning Japanese than a Chinese person does.

          • Alex – common sense mate. You are reading an angle that is not present. Most people that read this site would have a basis in those languages as they are Anglo or Euro or former colonies there of. As such the basis for the comparison is English to Chinese and Chinese to English as the original Author tacitly suggested. I am not talking about people that speak swahili poontang mountain yak as their native tongue. Sheesh.

          • Alex Dương

            It was hard not to infer such “an angle” when you claim that Chinese is not a “modern language.”

          • Well try harder son. You may eventually grab hold of that straw.

          • Alex Dương

            If I misunderstood you, I apologize. What did you mean by “not a modern language”?

          • Seriously? Is that a deliberate attempt at an inane question? Do you =really= need me to eviscerate that simple phrase? Or are you just trying to play word games to goad a debate?

          • Alex Dương

            We clearly aren’t seeing eye to eye. What did you mean by “not a modern language”?

          • moop

            weren’t the first written languages based on visual representations or symbols? cuneiform, egyptian hieroglyphics, etc? isn’t that what written chinese is more or less? the symbols have been updated and simplified but it is still fundamentally a fairly primitive written language compared with those with phonetic alphabets. how can it be a modern language? i think this is what richard is getting at, at least thats how i see it. i have heard that korean is the most ingenious and modern of all languages, but i’m not a linguistic historian

          • 42

            How can Korean be a modern and ingenious of all languages? the korean language is almost a exact copy and translation of chinese. learn your history indeed. in ancient times Japan and Korea used chinese in their language, they didnt have a language of their own, up to a moment they adjusted it to their own. thats why in the japanese language you still see it is formed including with some chinese characters, over time probably with different meaning. korean however, their grammatic meaning is an exact one to one copy from chinese, they only changed the characters to their own writing. you can say that korean and japanese is somewhat of a overblown chinese dialect. you dont have to trust my word for it, search it up on google.

          • moop

            i did. i suggest you do the same. perhaps look up the word “hangul”. here’s what bbc writes about it “There are two things that make the Korean script, Hangul, quite unique, at least among the major writing systems used in the world:
            Firstly, rather than evolving from pictures or abstract shapes, the Korean script was a deliberate invention. The script was invented in (or around) 1443 by the Korean monarch King Sejong. Although the king was assisted by a group of young scholars, documents suggest that Sejong was personally responsible for devising the workings of the script

            Secondly, the way that Korean is written is different to most writing systems. Although Korean is an alphabet (in which one shape largely corresponds to one sound), the letters are not written linearly. Instead, they are grouped into syllable blocks.
            For example, the name of the script is written not as ㅎㅏㄴㄱㅡㄹ [h-a-n-g-u-l] but as 한글 [han-gul]. Thanks to the ingenuity of its creation, the Korean script has sometimes been called the most scientific writing system in the world”

          • moop
          • 42

            this is an exact quote from the website you mentioned:

            “Before 1446, Koreans had no writing system of their own. The educated
            elite wrote in hanja, classical Chinese characters, to record the
            meaning—but not the sound—of Korean speech.”

            hangul might be an improvement of the once hanja. but chinese government is also trying to implement chinese simplified writing, but we all know the controversy about that. but nonetheless even chinese mandarin is open for changes and one cannot claim that one is better than the other.

          • moop

            yeah, that was before 1446, after that, they built their own written language from scratch. for nearly 600 years their written language has been one of the most unique, scientific, and ingenious languages in the world.

          • What do you even mean by Chinese language? The idea of China only began to come about in the medieval times. The officials could read and write back then, and we all know what happened to them, but the regular folk in the celestial lands understood oral dialects and still do to this day. China doesn’t exist, face it.

          • Alex Dương

            The idea of China only began to come about in the medieval times.

            Untrue. At the very latest, the idea of China dates back to the 3rd Century BC.

            the regular folk in the celestial lands understood oral dialects and still do to this day.

            Use of non-Standard Mandarin dialects is declining in China.

            China doesn’t exist, face it.

            This conclusion isn’t supported by anything you said.

          • Alex Dương

            The vocabularies of both Korean and Japanese are mostly Chinese in origin, but neither is an “overblown Chinese dialect.” Linguistically, they’re from a different language family than Chinese.

          • jixiang

            @42: quite frankly you are just repeating the typical misconceptions of the Chinese about Korean and Japanese. These two languages do NOT come from Chinese. They originated from a completely different language group. This is still obvious in that their structure, grammar, phonetics and basic vocabulary is entirely unrelated to Chinese. Yes, historically they borrowed a lot of words from Chinese. That doesn’t mean that they come from Chinese, any more than Japanese “comes” from English just because it has incorporated lots of English words. It is also true that they used to use the Chinese script, and to some extent still do. Again, this doesn’t mean they come from Chinese, any more than English comes from Latin just because it uses the Latin alphabet (it is in fact a Germanic language).

          • Alex Dương

            isn’t that what written chinese is more or less?

            Absolutely not:

            “In contrast to the popular conception of Chinese as a primarily pictographic or ideographic language, the vast majority of Chinese characters (about 95 percent of the characters in the Shuowen Jiezi) are constructed as either logical aggregates or, more often, phonetic complexes.”

            @disqus_YnImVw74qk:disqus has said very little and simply acted indignantly, but if he believes this, no wonder he thought it was so obvious that Chinese is not a “modern language” and that anyone who disagrees is a troll.

          • moop

            All words are monosyllabic just like primitive languages and there is not much grammar to speak of, also common to “primitive” language. And I don’t really buy the whole 95% figure, as I am sure it is counting words that include radicals that are all pictographic. Even if a Chinese character is not pictographic as a whole, it’s elements are.

            I think its easy to get caught up on the word “primitive”. I am sure there is a scholarly way to say it, but I don’t know it as I am not a linguistic historian, so i imagine anyway some one says that it is going to raise some ire.

            the wheel or the hammer has been around for a long time, are still used today, but are still primitive tools.

          • Alex Dương

            Chinese is not a monosyllabic language. This isn’t about being PC or not; primitive / not modern are simply incorrect descriptions of Chinese as a language.

          • Alex Dương

            Richard, you seem to be very narrow minded. I disagree with you that Chinese is not a modern language. Apparently, it’s so obvious to you that it isn’t that you can’t even see why anyone would disagree with you. This just shows how ethnocentrist you really are. Staying in a foreign country for ten years did little to minimize that.

            It seems that you think Chinese is not a modern language because it doesn’t use a phonetic alphabet. So what? Korean has a phonetic alphabet; do you think it’s easier for you to learn Korean than Chinese? No. So you learn the jamo. Great. Does that mean you know what the words mean? No. Korean vocabulary mostly comes from Chinese instead of Latin. So while it’s probably fairly easy for you to guess what “lengua or “langue” mean in Spanish and French, it’s probably not as easy for you to guess what “eoneo” means in Korean even if you can read 언어.

          • See. You couldn’t help yourself. Mr Magoo could see your agenda a mile off. Your impatience for me to respond and thus your launch into a tirade is a hoot. You must have been sitting there on at the keyboard chomping at the bit for my response. Shame I didn’t bite.

            I particularly love how you construct an entire debate on assumptions and undergrad psychology where you answer your own questions as you ask them!

            Have you grasped any straw yet child? Keep trying mate.

          • Alex Dương

            No, Richard, I realized you edited your post after I received an e-mail confirmation. Hence, the secondary reply. It looks like you have no interest in an actual discussion. You make a comment I disagree with. I ask you for clarification. You refuse and indignantly ask whether I am trolling you. I tell you I’m not. You edit your post to double down on the trolling part. I reply to that. You accuse me of straw manning you, all the while never actually answering the question.

            I have no idea what you mean by “not a modern language,” Richard. If you don’t want to explain that because it’s so obvious, then you’re way more ethnocentrist than your first comment suggested. But that is your right.

          • Umm, I edited to fix some grammar and make my point clearer. Good work though Columbo, you got the smoking gun there.

            Funny how you are stating that you disagree with me in one paragraph and then in the next state that in fact you have no idea what I mean.

            I refuse to engage you in debate because you are goading for a fight over a topic that I have no desire to debate with you about as you wilfully try to twist a pretty basic phase from prima facie into an undergrad analysis of Chinese culture and geo politics.

            You are as transparent as an old fart in a restaurant holding up his Little Panda smokes for all to see along with his wad of bank.

          • Alex Dương

            You’re right, Richard. “Modern language” is pretty basic. Over a billion living people use Chinese in their day-to-day life as their primary language. Seems to be a modern language in my book. Thus, I’m puzzled that you say it isn’t, and I ask you for clarification. You refuse, all the while acting indignantly and petulantly.

            Ah, but Realist appears to have explained your position for you. So you think Chinese isn’t a “modern language” because it isn’t European in origin and primarily used in Europe. Wow, Richard, that is ethnocentric as fuck, and it is pathetic that you tried to suggest otherwise.

          • Uh-huh. You keep on with the assumptions right? So an up vote on a post means a lot. You really can divine much from a single vote.

            You keep looking for “facts” to support your prejudice that I am the living embodiment of your culturally cited phrase of the week “Ethnocentric”.

            Yet you still refuse to take a simple phrase at face value and instead, like your readings into edits or up votes, assume and re interpret it into whatever quasimoto caricature of me that best suits your prejudice of the moment.

            Grow up.

          • Alex Dương

            I took it at face value: over a billion living people today use Chinese in their day-to-day life as their primary language. So, it seems to me that Chinese is a modern language. You disagree.

            Obviously I’m missing something, but I don’t know what it is, and you refuse to say what it is. It probably takes just one sentence, but instead of doing that, you’d rather write paragraphs that don’t say anything.

          • FFS. You can’t be that friggin thick?

            You seriously can’t understand how anyone could or would refer to Chinese as not being a modern language?

            Are you that effing stupid? Or are you merely playing dumb for the sake of goading a debated so you can pull out another undergrad case study of the day phrase?

          • 42

            any language that is used in the 21st century is a modern language, as so is chinese mandarin, period

          • OK. You are right then. I’m off to bed. Going to read some modern history before bed. I hear that king tut was the life of the party.

          • 42

            Does this mean we win? Can I pop the champagne?

          • Alex Dương

            I politely told you last night that I “may have” misunderstood you. Clearly that was incorrect as I flat out do not understand your position. You are so narrow minded that you cannot even fathom this as a legitimate possibility and instead think I must be trolling you for personal reasons.

            Yes, Richard, I can understand how someone would refer to Chinese as not being a modern language. But hey, you respond to every guess I’ve made with complaints of “straw manning” you. This could all be avoided if you just explained your position, but nooooooo…it’s so obvious at “face value” that Chinese isn’t a modern language, 1 billion+ people who use it everyday be damned.

          • Your assumptions as to what you thought I mean and their use in jumping into an ethnocentric cut and paste narrative betray your pathetic appeal here (in light of your final acceptance of common sense) to claim innocence and feign pragmatism.

            Your concern was not the thrust of my argument around difficulties in learning languages and how that relates to CS. Your agenda that I could see a mile away from the first letter was to try and get someone else into a position where you could assign more meaning to their phrases and a wider context so as to push your ethnocentric identification cause.

            If you go about in life pretending to be dumb and ask inane questions to clarify the bleeding obvious people will treat you like the undergrad that you are.

          • Alex Dương

            OK, so it doesn’t matter that over a billion people use Chinese as their primary language in their everyday life. Chinese isn’t a modern language because it’s obvious and anyone who disagrees is either an idiot, a troll, or both. Also, you can’t have a polite discussion with someone who disagrees with you. Got it. Bye.

          • I believe the proper phrase is “Bye Felicia!”

            I can’t believe how longsuffering the mods are on CS. I’d have been like troll = b& a while back.

          • Alex Dương

            We all try to be fair and lead by example. But we’re human, and I especially am prone to losing patience.

          • jixiang

            As for you, Richard, Chinese is clearly a modern language. An impractical and perhaps ugly one, but a modern language nonetheless. It fulfills the needs of a modern society. Modern standard Chinese is quite different from the ancient Chinese which was the official written language until 1911, and which can really be said to be pre-modern, as it was only good for reading and was incomprehensible when spoken.

          • realteruchan

            Actually it’s a LOT easier to learn Korean than Chinese. Same with Japanese. Chinese is the hardest language I have ever encountered, and generally I am good with languages.

          • Alex Dương

            What made Korean and Japanese a lot easier for you than Chinese?

          • realteruchan

            Tones are a huge problem for me. Even after living here many years I still make mistakes with this. Also, Korean and Japanese having a small number of vocal sounds and easier to learn alphabets (Korean being the easiest) , makes it easier to learn when using books (or computer).

            Chinese seems to go out the window so fast if I am not constantly using it. I haven’t been to Japan in years, but still have no problems with it. If I get busy with work for just one month, as people in the Shanghai office speak English, I find a lost a lot of Chinese in that short time. I have to keep pounding on it.

          • Alex Dương

            I concede that tones affect the difficulty of speaking fluently, but you also mention alphabets. I agree that hangeul is a very nice, relatively easy to learn alphabet. But for Japanese, you have to know 2,000+ kanji to be literate, so I don’t think written Japanese is really any easier than written Chinese.

          • realteruchan

            It was 1800 kanji back when I was in school. Most young people today can’t read anywhere near that many, that’s why you see furigana a lot nowadays. You look at how young Japanese write on Facebook etc. and you can see that literacy is fading fast. Then you have context. If you don’t know one or two kanji in a sentence, you can pick it up from everything around it.I can’t do that (yet) with Chinese.

            If you’re writing Japanese, you don’t *have* to know all those characters. You have to option to just not put it in there. Also, with a good IME you can know the right character when you see it. With Chinese, though, there’s no escaping the kanji. You have no options. I have written stuff that I can’t read back the next day.

          • Alex Dương

            2,000+ was referring to the 2,136 jouyou kanji. The list actually increased from 1,945 characters in 2010. I will trust your familiarity with modern Japanese culture, but it looks to me like a person – Japanese or foreign – unfamiliar with kanji isn’t going to understand much from reading a newspaper like 朝日新聞.

            Also, with a good IME you can know the right character when you see it. With Chinese, though, there’s no escaping the kanji. You have no options.

            That’s the same in Chinese. Passive reading / recognition is always easier than active writing / construction.

          • realteruchan

            20 or so years ago I could read the Asahi Shinbun without the aid of a computer. Today, I can maybe read most manga. :)

          • 42

            That is utter ignorance, It is fairly easy for asian people to learn chinese, than learning english. As it is fairly easy for europeans to learn english than learning chinese. it is a matter with what you are acustomed to. but that doesnt mean chinese is not a modern language. Koreans or malaysians for example can speak fluent mandarin, it is a part of their schools curriculum. If chinese mandarin is part of european schools education, they might very well speak mandarin quite fluently aswell. Therefore chinese is not harder to learn than english or visa versa, it is a matter of how young you start to learn. an european who starts to learn english at a very late age, would not pronounce and get the grammar of english either, french people for example are famous for their wrong pronouncation and bad english. one of the reasons are the lack of interest in learning english out of nationalistic sentiments.

          • mr.wiener

            I shall be sure to tell a person from another culture that the next time I’m back in the west and I’m not happy with their English…except that is considered to be a very racist attitude to have.

          • Germandude

            Hey. Start with this one:

          • Average Zhou

            In ten years visit New York City and see if all the kids aren’t studying Chinese. I guarantee its the new French. The Chinese all know English because of their pragmatism. It made sense for them to integrate it into the school systems as a part of Opening and Reform. It makes them money. English is currently the most lucrative business language. And you know what? Chinese is aout to start giving English a run for its money. People want Chinese money now the way they used to want American money. Its shifting.

          • donscarletti

            Just like people were saying about Japanese in the 1980s. Chinese has got a harder time ahead of it than Japanese had since its got no pop culture worth anything.

            Non-Chinese are never going to use Chinese to communicate. It’s too steeped in idiom, cultural assumptions and round-a-bout expression. The Indian manager at Ganges speaks Chinese much more understandably than he speaks English and I speak Chinese fluently too, but no way either of us would be seen chatting to each other in that tongue.

            The additional political situation of using Chinese, a language explicitly tied to a nation and system of governance through the concepts of “zhonghua” and “under heaven” complicates things. Using English denotes no affinity or allegiance and was used in the daily life of people such as Mahatma Gandhi, Robert Mugabe and Gerry Adams without any form of irony or bitterness. English has the beneficial situation whereby it is named after the largest constituent in the 6th most populous of 67 independent nations that use it as an official language.

            So, I maintain, Chinese is not destined to be a world language unless China manages to conquer the earth.

          • Average Zhou

            don, interesting point and this is really the reason I enjoy CS (42) because other insightful westerner’s opinions and viewpoints on China can be explored and help me to round out my own view.
            I still think the truth is somewhere between your and my previous comments. Decent analogy with Japan but I don’t think it was quite enough – Japan had a huge surge in their economy in the 80’s but nothing on the level China has been experiencing, probably simply because anything in Japan is going to be limited by size and population. There was a roof on that country’s explosion, whereas China still potentially has room and ample manpower to grow. Take the fact that Japan was NOT the number 2 economy in the world even then (this is not a fact I checked so if Im wrong Im sorry but I am quite sure they were never ahead of Germany even back then) whereas China is now not only the no.2 economy, but continuing on an upward trajectory that poises them to take the no.1 spot from the United States in the near future. A truly unprecedented event in the world as we’ve known it since the 1950’s.
            Combine the economic incentive for learning Chinese with the fact that 1 in 5 humans on Earth are from that country, including massive overseas communities the likes of which Japan has never seen, that’s a huge amount of influence. The Chinese diaspora is sitting in fertile ground I think and the perfect combination of water and sunlight is all that’s needed to make it catch hold and grow and I believe that is something that is beginning to occur.
            I concede that English for practical reasons may yet still be the world’s second language of choice, but I think Mandarin will be right up there in the winner’s circle with it in the coming decade. English is incredibly complicated and difficult to learn in a way that sort of mirrors Mandarin’s difficulties too – Mandarin’s incredibly complex written language is a barrier the way English’s shear size and mishmash of rules and exceptions to those rules is problematic.
            French as a comparison has 75000 words. English has over a million. 12 times the size!! Because English has absorbed so many languages over the centuries (it absorbed great deals of French after the Norman conquest for example). With Chinese, you learn a few rules and boom, you can understand the language. The only caveat is that you need to dedicate a massive amount of time to memorizing characters, rote learning that the Chinese spend years of childhood doing.
            In summary I maintain that Chinese IS absolutely and will be more so a world language, though it may never wrest the dominant spot away from English.

          • Vance

            How do you use it on a computer? With any Romantic language, the qwerty keyboard can be used with it’s 26 letters and some symbols, but Mandarin has so many characters. How do you make it easy to use on a computer?

          • Average Zhou

            Vance, there are programs u can download (forget which ones because haven’t been there in yrs but anyone on this site still in China can tell u) where u type the pinyin word and the screen will offer u a selection of possible characters for that pinyin. Example, type MA and the keyboard will offer u choices for all the different MA characters to include “Sichuan spice” “horse ” “mother ” etc. It will read your sentence and offer u choices based on context, so if u already typed “wo Yao hen la ye hen..” (I want it very spicy and very…) the computer will know your MA probably means Sichuan spiciness which is a certain tingly spice with its own name separate from regular spicy. Failing to understand ur context, the program will offer u choices in order based on common useage. There may be 50 different characters for the sound MA but the most common characters will be offered first. It really isn’t too inconvenient once you’re used to it.

          • Alex Dương

            The two most common ways are based on phonetics and shape. With phonetics, for example, I type “lin” and get 林. With shape, I type the key that corresponds to 木 as a radical twice because 木+木=林. If I wanted 森, I’d type that key three times.

          • donscarletti

            A few things I should point out. 1) The 1M figure you give for English words is far larger than any existing dictionary. The largest English dictionaries are only half that size, triple the size of French. The working vocabulary of a native English speaker is

          • Teacher in China

            I’m going to dumb down the conversation a bit by saying something simple. I don’t think Chinese can ever be a popular world language because it’s just too hard to learn. Orally, possibly it could catch on, but not for reading and writing. Too many other countries in the world already use something exactly like or similar to a Roman alphabet, so English is much easier for them to learn.

            There’s also the fact that so many different countries have English as their first language, while Chinese has….well, China (and Singapore I guess, but they also ave English). I just don’t see it ever catching on to the same level as English has, unless (as someone else said) China takes over the world.

      • daz

        If you don’t why chinasmack exists why do you keep commenting? Just fuck off.

        • mr.wiener

          Let’s keep this civil please.

          • 42

            Profanity is for the weak.

          • Poodle Tooth

            So are arbitrary rules for dismissing people that have nothing to do with the content of their arguments.


          • mr.wiener

            While I can appreciate the sentiment I must ask you to moderate the tone.

          • mr.wiener

            In which case manners are for the strong.

            Since you kicked this discusion off by accusing another contributer of being a voyeur of another culture too lazy to learn the language… How about you practicing a little strength?

          • 42

            I don’t know if you have noticed, but he was the only one in this article comment section celebrating that the netizens comments are back, instead of debating the topic at hand. so me addressing him with my point of view towards his comment is totally legit.

            I have to be honest, I abused his comment to make my point, it was nothing personal towards him, but to chinasmack.

            But a point nonetheless, but I guess freedom of speech is a pain in the neck if it suddenly doenst work out for you, does it? Typical….

          • mr.wiener

            I had in fact noticed. He said something positive , then you came down on him like a ton of bricks with an attitude that was frankly quite snobbish.
            I’m not sure how you are planing on changing people’s minds like that , but I suspect that an interchange of ideas is not really on your agenda….Furthermore it is a little rich coming on here and lecturing people about freedom of speech.

          • David

            and baiting is for the young.

      • JayJay

        I speak Chinese and was born in China, but somehow end up living and working the UK. I think CS is a site for all not just foreigners. It is quite a good summary of comments and it is interesting to also read the comments and see it from a western perspective.

        • 42

          thats my point, you dont necessarily need netizens comments if you want a western perspective on chinese news.

          • Vance

            But I come from the other side. A native English speaker who is learning something about Chinese and China. For me the translated comments are valuable.

          • 42

            From the other side, as in, parallel universe? Last time I checked China was on the same planet earth.

          • Vance

            but on the other side of Earth. Literally. From where I am

          • mr.wiener

            If you wish people to take your comments seriously I suggest you drop the sarcasm and remove that massive chip off your shoulder. His meaning was quite clear and politely phrased , you would do well to copy it.

          • 42

            I am not wishing for anything, I merely want to make my point, thats it. If people wish to understand or not, it is their choice, not my concern. As I said I am open for debate. Instead of taking it personally, like you do, how about discussing the topic? But I discovered that the majority of the chinasmack clique are stubbornly ignoring the debate and are here only to defend their interests, even if it means ridiculing someone who has a strong point.

            My sarcasm towards his comment is legitimate, as he mentioned China as like a part of another world. Participation on chinese websites is just one click away, and google translate. It’s hardly considered to be on “the other side”. There is no other side in cyberspace. Nowadays you dont have to take the plane to travel all the way to the otherside of the world to know a different country, as I said it’s just one click away.

            It is however a matter of whether taking the effort to learn and understand some other culture or not. However he apparently didnt understood my sarcasm.

            But as for Chinasmack, it doesnt contribute to understanding chinese culture, it doesnt contribute to have a better view of chinese society, it actually giving a distorted view of chinese, it is merely entertainment for the ignorant, that I can agree.

          • mr.wiener

            It was you who said “rudeness is for the weak”
            …for once I agree with you, If you feel ChinaSmack contributes nothing to Chinese culture or a better view of Chinese society you are entitled to take your own contribution elsewhere.
            Apparently your own understanding of the west has come from flame matches on you tube … bigots from any culture are not welcome here, unless you can make an effort to be more civil.

          • 42

            I didn’t say rudeness is for the weak, I said profanity is for the weak, like in using strong language or swear words.

            Okay, this is going nowhere, I feel like I am quarreling with a six year old infant. This has gone far enough.

          • mr.wiener

            “Okay, this is going nowhere, I feel like I am quarreling with a six year old infant. This has gone far enough.”

            I agree with you twice in one day…this must be a new record.
            The preferred method of winning an argument with 6 year olds is of course to walk off in a huff.

          • Germandude

            That’s what the 5 year olds do when they realize they can’t play ball with the big guys…

          • 42

            I am going to get my older brother into this, he can take on all of you guys, just wait and see. and I am going to tell my mommie you made me cry, she ain’t going to like that.

          • Mihel

            Participation on chinese websites is just one click away, and google translate.

            Holy shit what am I doing in university studying and wasting money. Clearly all I ever needed is google translate.

          • Vance

            JayJay commented that he is a Chinese speaker born in China who found the Chinasmack comments helpful for understanding the Western netizens take on Chinese current events and netizen comments. I said that I am an English speaker born in the West who finds the translated Chinese netizen comments helpful in understanding more about who the Chinese really are without the BS misconceptions that I often find in the media about Chinese. JayJay and I came to Chinashack from opposite sides of the cultural and language spectrum and yet we both find the website helpful in understanding each others world. Kind of poetic if you think about it.

          • JayJay

            But I want both!!

      • Dolph Grunt

        I’ve got the solution, since this bothers you so much.

        When I post a comment about the Chinese netizens comments, you can translate it, and tell the people that posted it what I said. Then you can come here and translate their reply to English. Then I will respond, and you can send them what I said, until the conversation is finished.

        Thanks so much for your help!

        • 42

          Outbreak of ebola in Africa might bother me much, but this? Nah, this is just killiing some spare time.

      • Dolph Grunt

        So, I would like to address this comment…

        The Chinese netizen said “If you’ve ever been to Japan, you would know the buildings in Tokyo aren’t even as good as the buildings in a third-tier Chinese city”

        My comment to that post is, “I have seen the buildings in China, and honestly, in Shanghai, if a building is 10 years old or more, the paint is usually chipped off it, it has stains all over it from weather and air conditioners, the overall look of the building doesn’t look right from all of the renovations, and there’s usually several posters on it with phone numbers for something or other. The outside of the building (the grounds) usually looks like it’s been trampled by a heard of elephants. You’re saying Japan is worse? Do you have any pictures?”

        I really appreciate your help here. I look forward to their reply. Thanks again! I’ll be sure to send you all of my comments.

        • 42

          you are weird

      • donscarletti

        1) Because Baidu Tieba, Tianya and wherever else are mostly boring irrelevant bullshit that makes 4chan’s /b/ look like the Library of Alexandria. Tencent, Netease, etc news portals are mostly celebrity crap about people you haven’t heard about or fabrications meant to sell something. Chinasmack’s above the line comments have a good signal to noise ratio, being comments that are at least good enough to be worth translating.
        2) Because Chinese is so damn idiomatic and full of obscure terminology that it would take someone of above average intelligence 2-3 years of relatively earnest study to read most of those news stories. For expats this is a worthy investment, but this is not an expat forum and most folks simply do not have that sort of time.

        I do read, or when someone links me to a story that is interesting, but Chinasmack is better.

      • Adam McMurchie

        中国人经常评价西方人的facebook posts 或者 Twitter feeds.别装十三。 我们上china smack 的原因是那些翻译的人做的比较专业。 这样可以读得比较轻松。 中文还不算国际语言, 因此那些会中文的人一般了解中国文化, 但是大部分会英文的中国人不一定了解英国,美国等等。 他们必须学英语。 请不要以偏概全。 对了,你为什么污辱言论自由, 是因为你以为是假的对吧?也许你也被洗脑,我一点都不看到你的客观观点。

        • daz

          Westerners can understand Chinese culture perfectly fine without knowing the Chinese language.

          • 42

            Westerners understand chinese culture as much as they know how to use chopsticks, enough said.

          • daz

            True. You have said enough.

        • Edward Kay

          Just curious, you used a translator app?

          • Adam McMurchie

            Nah man, Im fluent in Chinese just I think using this site is easier, I think the translations are generally really good.

        • Don’t Believe the Hype

          he’s just trolling, probably doesn’t understand anything you are writing.

        • 42

          Since when chinese people from China can read facebook posts and twitter feeds? Are they not blocked? How are they able to judge those? You are talking gibberish, and what does my opinion of the concept of freedom of speech in the west has anything to do with me being brainwashed? Sure mainland chinese are all zombies brainwashed capitalists, programmed to take over the economy of the world, so they can eat as many dogs as they want. Oh my god, this is hilarious, but it’s okay, its my intention to attract the likes of you and showcase your ignorance. The English language was not an international language to begin with either in ancient times, Latin was. So no rule is saying mandarin chinese cannot become an international language in the future. So suddenly chinasmack turned into a foreign langauge translator exchange platform, oh man, and they say i twist the truth…..

      • David

        LMAO you so funny.

        • It’s like a parody of the chip on the shoulder of China as a whole….

          • 42

            Your are blowing this way out of propertions, chip on what shoulder? I am just merely criticizing the concept of picking out user comments from a foreign website and displaying it here for debate, without actually the participation of the original commenter. But sure you have to go and play the racial card, it figures….

          • Racial card? Really. An observation about a type of behaviour that is prevalent in internet forums where people of one country engage those of another…is racial.

          • 42

            Opinions, debate, freedom of speech, have no racial boundaries. One way judging of comments towards a foreign website, is.

            If you want to drag the racial factor into our debate that is, but here you go.

          • Right. And that has exactly what to do with my comments? You know for a fact then that all my opinions and value judgements are in fact based exclusively by judging comments?

            Did you do this at Uni too along with Mr Durong? When the crux of your argument needed help, you just added in a few assumptions?

            Where in my original comment did I refer or stipulate that my observations were on internet forums exclusively?

            To make it clear to you. You are a parody of China.

          • 42

            There you go again. You said chip of the shoulder as China as a whole, if that is not dragging the racial card into the debate, then what is it supposed to mean? China as a whole you probably mean han-chinese, and not tibetan-chinese i presume. so, yeah, it seems we got a racist over here, sound the alarms!

          • More assumptions as to what I mean again….

            You need to learn what being racial means. You have obviously no clue. You are looking for racial attacks where none are, as that suits your narrative.

      • mwal

        Jeeze, I think it might be time for your medication.

        Try to remember that the only things the world revolves around are its axis and the Sun, eh?

      • Pham

        Japanese workers exploits Chinese people.

        Do you feel almighty now???

      • Charles

        Learn Chinese? Are you serious? Do you know how many years it would take to learn Chinese well enough to read these sites? Not only would it take forever, there is so much internet Chinese that you could never learn because slang, by and large, isn’t taught in the classroom. Silly person. I have studied Chinese for years and can communicate pretty well in the language. I live in China (for about 7 years now) and reading these sites is still a challenge for me.

  • these men have no regrets because they’ve lived the AV dream
    how many of us can truly say that

  • bujiebuke

    Chinese chikan isn’t prevalent like Japan because the female victims would not be shy about calling them out. I can imagine them just giving an ear full to the guy with loud pitched screams – not exactly an ideal erotic fantasy IMO…

    • ClausRasmussen

      My thought exactly lol

  • Stefan

    ChinaSmack finally back after a drunk night out. :)

  • Xia

    When in Rome, do as the Romans. :P

  • Amused

    SWEEEEEET! The ‘smack is back!
    And you got a nice picture of this dude’s skeet face to grace the return page. Kudos guys…. Kudos… :)

  • Vance

    It is good to see the article and comments. This was one of the stories for which I wanted to see more details.

  • monster

    hahaha, so funny!

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    • mr.wiener

      You really are just a crazy little lolly~pop tripple dipped in psyco…

    • Vance

      lol lol lol lol…

    • NeverMind

      haha, aren’t you Strawberry66 from eChinacities? If not, I would be surprised because your personalities match so much. Besides, she also receives similar treatment as you do here. And, reading comments from both of you are highly entertaining.

      • DD Bear!

        really? i getta go there take a look.
        my mother said she seemed born a couple of twins, but birth control people took one away!

  • mr.wiener

    Woke up this morning to a 6.3 earthquake and the Smack is back.
    Let the good times roll.

    • Alex Dương

      Hope all is well.

      • mr.wiener

        Chipped the paint and mrs.wiener felt frisky afterwards :)

        • bujiebuke

          The natural tendency to reproduce after a catastrophic event is strong…

          • mr.wiener

            But what will I call the future little wiener, “De gen”?

          • bujiebuke

            “little kickass” a la Walking Dead? Next step is to come up with a good WWE entrance song.

    • David

      I thought we were going to get an explanation?

      • mr.wiener

        Explanations to follow, Although I am in touch with Kai and Fauna I only clean the toilets here. I don’t want to steal their thunder so I will allow Kai to explain the new Smack.

        • KamikaziPilot

          Good move as I can see Kai getting very upset if you “steal his thunder”, haha. But the front page already looks a little different with “digests” and “translations” categories, so something is changing.

        • David

          Fair enough.

        • Claude

          I like it. With a mix of things perhaps the site won’t stagnate with 200+ comments.

          I spent years in Japan, I don’t miss the earth shaking.

    • yi_ge_yi_jian

      Well, it’s back, and a giant advertisement. =

  • ClausRasmussen

    >> Japan’s “Confusion Prevention Code”

    Really ? Or maybe lost in translation ?

    • Norbert

      Its a strange name for a regulation. Sometimes there just isn’t a way to translate things into something that makes sense in English. It may be that, or it may just be the Japanese have really strange names for their laws. 《迷惑防止条例》迷惑 mi huo-confuse/baffle/puzzle 防止 fang zhi-prevent/guard against 条例 tiao li-code/regulation

  • JayJay

    Why is a screen shot of Korean film Sex is Zero used for this article???

    • daz

      Just what I was thinking. They Google image searched ‘Chinese pervert’ and that popped up?

      • Xman2014

        I believe that movie was a huge hit in China at that time (mid 2000’s).

    • YourSupremeCommander

      Maybe the people who run this website can’t tell shit between a Chinese, a Korean, and a Japanese?

    • Xman2014

      Not the first time they used Korean clips on this site for some reason or another. It’s puzzling.

    • donscarletti

      I like it, sleeveless jumper with turtle neck. It accentuates her shoulders, which one would never have noticed with a plunging neckline.

      I also like: long sleeve jumper worn with a miniskirt, ankle length skirt and crop top or full length gown with décolletage.

      The key with all of this is drawing attention where it needs to be and away from where it shouldn’t. Men have a lot to think about and staring at hot women’s bodies should be relaxing, not mentally exerting when considering what bit to stare at. From a man’s perspective women should leave their head, hands and ankles uncovered for practical reasons and cover up all but the nicest bit, which they should more or less leave hanging out.

  • Xman2014

    Near the end of this clip, she says to the guy, “Like it? Wanna make out really hot?”

  • Poodle Tooth

    “The chikan AV [adult videos featuring public molestation] they watched must exceed a thousand.”

    Without once wondering why there were so many such videos.

  • crimsonarmor

    I hope these men are sentenced to 10 years in a prison full of gay men where they can experience the wonderful pleasures they so truly long for. lol
    And another thing, People in China go on about hating japanese and boycotting this or that which is japanese yet that doesn’t stop them all visiting the country trying to get their little carrots wet.

    • daz

      what do you mean by ‘all’? You do realise that three men doesn’t quite provide evidence for your assertion that all Chinese are the same don’t you?

      • crimsonarmor

        so many chinese have been visiting Japan in 2015, in fact the trips to Japan from china in 2015 quadrupled especially in frenzy times when everyones fears of food contaminations went into overdrive. So yes I would say all when it comes to chinese hating japan, loving jap porn, loving anime, loving sushi and loving the fact that they think they can get away with their horrendous behaviour be it in japan or anywhere around the world, just take a look at beijing or shenyang airport, the behaviour of chinese men especially and women is horrendous, They have no idea about how to behave. chinese could learn a thing or 2 from japan when it comes to ettiquette or table manners. oink !oink!

  • donscarletti

    Apparently Asian prisons in general do not have a “rape culture”.

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  • WFH

    they must have mistaken those subway themed AVs as tourism promotional videos….

  • wangkon936

    Uh, the picture is from a Korean movie (“Sex is Zero”). Oh, well.

  • Man

    Lets not get all sensitive here, a lot of times the sexual harassment complaints are a lie.

  • Alex Dương

    Not sure if this is “inherent nationalism and racism” more so than sexism or just plain idiocy.

  • WghUk

    Too much Japanese porn.

  • mr.wiener

    If that is the definition of a “modern language”…then it needs to be changed.

  • mwal

    One would hope that the people arrested are the kind of people (i.e. rich with money embezzled from their neighbours, and abusers of power) who do the same kind of thing when they’re in China.

    If so, then I’m happy that they’re not getting away with it, for once.

  • Alex Dương

    Given that Richard Ford upvoted this, I assume that he agrees with some or possibly even all of what you’ve said. In which case, it is hilarious that he denied my charge of ethnocentrism.

    1. a language currently in use, and 2. a language currently in use in Europe.

    1. Chinese is currently in use.

    2. Thanks to immigration (did you seriously forget that this is 2015?), Chinese is currently in use in Europe.

    So under your own definition, Chinese is a modern language. Why you require “currently in use in Europe” as a condition of a “modern language” I have no idea.

    Those languages use an alphabet and are easier to learn than Chinese.

    Easier for whom? Everyone? Or people who already know English? Spanish and French are relatively easy for English speakers to learn because of a shared alphabet and shared vocabulary sources. While watching out for “false friends,” a large English vocabulary gives you a fast track to a large Spanish / French vocabulary thanks to cognates. That isn’t true for Chinese since the language developed independently of Latin.

    And it also isn’t true for Korean. Korean uses an alphabet. That doesn’t mean it’s easier to learn than Chinese. Like I told Richard, if you learn the jamo, great. But that doesn’t mean you know what the words mean. Korean vocabulary mostly comes from Chinese, not Latin or French.

    technical definitions.

    I’d like a source for this “technical definition.”

    • Vance

      I kind of thought of Chinese as an “ancient” language. It seems to have been around for a very long time. No doubt there have been changes over the eons, but English a mere thousand years ago is hardly recognizable. (ever read Beowulf?). A few hundred years before that and there was no language called English. Cninese has been recognizable as “Chinese” for 2 or 3 thousand years.

      • Alex Dương

        It typically takes a college education for Chinese people to be able to actually understand classical Chinese from 2,000 years ago. Sure, anyone literate in Chinese can read the characters, but most won’t know what the sentences mean.

        • 白色纯棉小裤裤

          I read 春秋 and 诗经 when I was a primary school student.

          • Alex Dương

            And did you actually understand what they meant?

  • amenomori

    迷惑 doesn’t mean “confusion” in Japanese; it actually means “nuisance.” The Chinese equivalent is 麻烦.

  • Henk Visser

    Does anybody maybe know who is the girl in the picture?

  • Henk Visser

    Does anyone know the name of the girl in the picture?

  • Luke the Duke

    They got on a plane to try and head to the pervert’s paradise, little realising that they’d been living there all along.

  • Luke the Duke

    Also, hurray for the return of full articles! (even if there are fairly few)

  • Colexu


  • ChingChongChinaman

    Chinese guys grab my ass all the time, they must think I’m a jap

  • 42

    so why do you come to an english site about china? to find a good job? true though, many now goto china to find jobs, thats why its useful go learn chinese! stupido grande!

    • guest

      At the moment its more useful to learn English in academe even if you have no goal of working aboard, because basically almost every major research journal is written in English, even Tsinghua’s own research journals are written in English. Yes, there maybe a few Chinese language research journals but they are far and few between but they are not greatly cited. Researchers want to publish in the better journals because it helps either to bring in funding or help get a research position at a well own university, or if they have newly graduated.

      Plus,if you want to get anywhere or keep up in your research field learning English is useful, almost to the point its essential.

  • Alex Dương

    Languages with alphabets are easier to learn. It’s a lot easier to learn a set of 26 or so letters and then practice combining them, than learning thousands of different characters which then also combine to form different words, almost always have several meanings and often have two readings.

    The mistake here is thinking that Chinese uses “thousands of different characters,” as if each were totally distinct. You can categorize Chinese characters using “radicals,” of which there are about 200. For example, mother (媽) combines 女 and 馬, where 女 is the radical.

    When you look at this way, there’s a tradeoff. English has 26 letters, and the average native speaker knows about 20,000 to 35,000 words.

    Meanwhile, level 6 of the Chinese Proficiency Test requires you to know 2,663 characters and 5,000 words.

    So what’s easier? Combining 200 radicals to form 2,663 characters and 5,000 words; or combining 26 letters to form 20,000 to 35,000 words?

    Another couple of reasons that English would be easier for a Chinese person to learn than the other way round is Chinese students learn Pinyin from grade one, so they’re familiar with English letters. Chinese study English from grade one, so if they decide to take it up seriously they already have a ground knowledge in it.

    I don’t think you are conscious of how hard English is to learn as a language. English is a bastard language: it’s from the Germanic language family but has mostly Romance vocabulary.

    As a result, pronunciation and orthography aren’t consistent. The “ch” in “chimera” isn’t pronounced the same as the “ch” in “change.” But the “ph” in “graph” is pronounced the same as the “f” in “fish.” These are all obvious and trivial to you, but imagine how annoying they would be to others trying to learn English.

    Chinese has tones which are difficult to remember when trying to speak.

    It’s difficult to remember for you. It’s easy for them. Just like it’s easy for you to know that you don’t pronounce the “s” in “aisle.”

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