From NetEase:
Angry! Foreigners eating, drinking, shitting, pissing, sleeping on the Great Wall!
On the night of August 3, about one hundred foreign tourists stayed overnight on the Great Wall. Just their tents and sleeping bags alone required a truck to transport up the mountain, and the Jinshanling management granted clearance pretending to be ignorant. Looks like “Protecting the Great Wall and tourism environment” is not worth mentioning next to colorful cash.
What more, this kind of thing happened 2 just days after a newspaper reporter’s investigative report on the problem of illegal overnight stays on the Great Wall! These people cannot wait to earn money! It is evident that the management and individual bosses are in collusion with each other like snakes and rats living together in a nest!
Beginning from 2003, there have been people who have built “hotels” for overnight tourists, renting sleeping bags to foreign tourists at a price of 400-500 yuan per person. This reporter learned from Luanping County Great Wall management that people were once allowed to stay overnight on the Great Wall, but must pay 100 yuan overnight stay fee and 50 yuan entrance fee, but now tourists staying overnight on the Great Wall is no longer allowed. Yet there are still foreign tourists living on the Great Wall.
Many of those coming to the 4A-level Jinshanling Great Wall scenic area are foreign tourists. After arriving at Jinshanling Great Wall, there are people on the sides hawking sleeping bags for personal profit. Jinshanling Great Wall itself is a lightning area, and previously here there have been incidents of tourists being struck by lightning! When I think of the British William-Lindsay leading a group of foreigners picking up trash on this portion of the Great Wall, doing everything to protect the Great Wall for 20 years, I don’t know whose face [foreigners or Chinese] should be red…
Comments from Tianya:
百花盛开2009:
Sad, many of China’s scenic spots are all ruined, with the managers only collecting money, not managing/taking care of them.
joechim:
Foreigners’ characters are really low.
Embarrassing themselves all the way here to China.
Jerry44122:
Instead of taking care and protecting our cultural heritage, they have taken it away to make money.
123yjz123:
Once the Great Wall, now the Money Wall.
284792953:
I need to go see the Great Wall soon, otherwise I might not have the chance later.
yetan1:
Too breathtaking. I don’t think this kind of tourism should be allowed, at most let tourists look from the side or have helicopter tours, or even a cable car would work.
阿里大牙:
Don’t blame the foreigners, they paid money, they are consumers. Don’t we all say everyday that we must protected the lawful rights and interests of consumers?
归云轩:
I do not think we can blame this on “laowai” having poor characters.
There are a lot of bastards amongst our country’s people too.
ddww2008:
Foreigners camping on the Great Wall is said to be sullying beauty!
Then what is our countrymen carving “到此一游” ["visited here"] on the bricks???
谁吃瓜子皮:
I haven’t been to the Great Wall yet, and dammit, seeing this I don’t want to go anymore! And good Chinese?! If I go and see those bastard “laowai” eating, drinking, shitting, pissing, sleeping on the Great Wall without giving them a beating, then I would not be a good Chinese person! Those who do not go to the Great Wall are not good Chinese, but those who go and do not flatten those foreigners who insult the Great Wall are truly not good Chinese!
Comments from NetEase:
harvvy:
At least foreigners won’t make a complete mess of the environment, as I believe they will take their trash with them.
ssshs:
Sigh, no matter what you say, it is still a world wonder. NND, unscrupulous tourist managers and foreigners.
liuchun79746:
All day talking about how our countrymen’s characters aren’t high when abroad, tmd, I have rarely met any “laowai” with high characters in China!
lichengwei_5:
There is nothing that can be done, this thing was made public a long time ago. There has even been group sex on the Great Wall, so other than collecting money, do the managers [of the Great Wall] know how to do anything else?
月泮湾:
Angry, unscrupulous managers.
Fortunately, at least it isn’t Chinese people sleeping on there, otherwise, there would be even more garbage to pick up.
xinxinxiu:
I see a sequence, not trash…
鸿亿五金厂:
LZ, do you know? “Camping is not allowed on the Great Wall” was written for us Chinese people only!!!
viping-963:
What can you do? They are foreigners, they are “international friends”, so we must wait on them as if they were our ancestors.
hrblgql:
Sigh! When we ourselves become clean, self-disciplined, then “laowai” will also be self-disciplined. Who let you go piss and shit in front of other peoples’ front doors?
jialanbaobei:
Ugh…too shameless…what country are they from??? I too want to go to their country to ruin their environment/surroundings!!!
Should people be allowed to camp on the Great Wall?
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First! For the first time. Still didn’t read the post, but I’m ashamed.
Second… ;) Ok, I’ve spent the night on the Wall before, and guess what…there were Chinese people there doing the same thing. So what is the big deal?
Western people loves to talk about themselves as cultivated and civilized people. With one twist, they don’t respect others cultural heritage, except in their museums.
Sleeping on Great Wall is cool (even I would like to do it), but represents carelessness to Chinese cultural heritage. I don’t think this youth would sleep in Westminster Abbey or in Big Ben, or on Trajan Wall.
There’s also safety considerations, environmental implications and damage to wall itself.
Is this a serious post? Just like the posters said, the blame really lies on those who allowed them to camp up there. Besides, in a couple of the pictures, you can see Chinese people accompanying them. Plus, It’s not like there’s empty chip bags everywhere. Looks like a pretty neat campsite to me.
Yeah and there are PLENTY of places around the world where you camp within a historical site or stay in an old castle. If a Chinese guy went to Turkey and was offered to stay in an ancient cave house in Cappadocia by a local company, and he did, and later found it was illegal, would anyone blame him? Or would the sensible person blame the local Turk who took money from him and told him he can do it.
Obviously if people can stay overnight on the Great Wall it’s more than just hawkers and tour operators. They’d have to have at least tacit approval from the local government.
Where is the evidence that any of these people have pissed or shit on the Great Wall? I tend to find loawai clean up after themselves and treat Chinese sites better than the locals.
my dear blind idiot. first of all look closer. those tourists are very clean and i dont see their trash lying around. that they sleep there means locals are to stupid to build cheap campiung place near the wall. they even dont need to build just give a small place and possiblity to wash yourself.
I see empty bottles and cans. I don’t see bin bags full of cans and bottles. Those empty bottles and cans are on the edge of the wall, aren’t they, and it is morning.
Now, you’ll tell me that wind doesn’t blow on the Wall.
again you blind idiot. that is not the trash. i dont see their food lying around. all canes stay around their sleep place. they dont droped them on the wall and they do not steprd on them. those cans are ready to be taken away by them. you are realy blind. now tell me not you was always such blind and stupid.
Oh, you call me idiot. What an argument! You are right. Sorry. When someone bring such strong argument, I must step back. Sorry for being blind and stupid. I saw that they are just waking up and cans are on the edge of the wall. I concluded cans stayed overnight on the wall, but you opened my eyes by calling me idiot. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you….
to krdr: Again, you’re a moron.
(I don’t need an argument)
I think the Cultural Revolution hurt China’s cultural heritage much more than people sleeping on a wall.
And why do all Chinese love to stereotype? :P (yes i know what i said.) Seriously though, not all non Chinese are like that. Bragging about being “civilized.” Just the douche bags. Unfortunately, that’s what people remember.
I don’t really understand how this is disrespecting anything, anyway – the wall was built to keep out the Mongols, right? It’s not some sort of sacred Chinese holy place, it’s a big ineffective wall they built a long time ago to keep out people they could have easily negotiated with instead. It’s actually one of the great Chinese historical blunders (like the Great Leap Forward) but has somehow been repurposed into a “sacred” place.
Get real, if they don’t want people to camp there, they should have the cops drop by every night and drive them off, like they do in America.
it was pretty effective for a a few hundred years, no?
Errmmm . . . Westminster Abbey you have to pay to get into and has closing hours, Big Ben is a clock tower where a huge bell rings every hour, so good luck sleeping in those places. As far as camping on Trajan’s wall – go ahead, there’s plenty of camp sites near there.
I’m not so sure about this. These youths would love to sleep in any famous place that would let them. The big difference is that Westminster Abby and ‘Big Ben’ wouldn’t let them.
Honestly, the Chinese are so pathetic. Everything is ‘foreigners do this’ and ‘foreigners to that’.
I really don’t think the rest of the world (the REAL world) should give the country the time of day anymore.
its a shame that this wall was restored first when forigners paid for the recnstruction and started to send tourists there. before that locals used it to get bricks for own houses.
It’s true… foreigners camp on the wall while building companies in Inner Mongloia bulldoze it.
http://daxinganling.china.com.cn/english/culture/189269.htm
A lot of charities do sponsored Great Wall walks, whereby you walk the length of the wall, and make money – normally for Cancer Research. Here is an example:
http://www.macmillan.org.uk/Get_Involved/Hiking_events/China/China_Hike.aspx
I have often wondered where they stay during these trips – but I assumed beside the walls…
The reactions are all too funny. As if the Chinese who go abroad are respectful and civilized? lol You shit on my doorstep, I shit on yours.
Wow, what a mature approach to amicability.
You’re right, though. The reactions are amusing. :)
you both got my points..
Like your name says, you’re indeed A BIG LOSER just like ur MOM! It’s disrespectful trailor trash like YOU that give us westerners a bad image. For all I’d care they should lock you up in a Chinese prison and rape ur ass twice over! That’ll teach you not to SHIT anywhere, cept in ur mom’s face!
I’d like to know if they cleaned up after themselves, rather than leave their trash everywhere.
If they did clean up after themselves, then I see no problem with this behavior. 400-500 kuai to stay in a “hotel” at the Great Wall is astronomically overpriced.
Touring in often a huge annoyance in that travellers – foreign or domestic – get charged for everything – going to the bathroom, taking a photo, etc. The worst, however, is when you pay an entrance fee to, say, a national park, and then you have to pay additional fees to see various scenic spots within the park.
Anyways, if these tourists left a huge mess behind when they left their “campsite”, then they are inconsiderate pricks.
Don’t see how it’s any worse than the hawkers on the wall. Most people were rather respectful on my two trips, but I did see some rather disgusting behavior too.
`NO CAMPING ON THE GREAT WALL’ sign is in clear view. Problem? Lack of law enforcement. Disrespecting law.
are you sure this sign was on that place?
It wouldn’t be hard to take a photo of a sign from another section of the wall and place it with these photos.
LOL! YES! The Sign is FAKE!!!!
Pity still so many Chinese think in terms of We and Them (‘the foreigners’) .
I thought China wanted to be part of the world community?
try to imagine: a group of Chinese, Americans, French camping at Hadrians Wall in northern England.
In the first place I cannot imagine there will be a widescale uproar about this, second, I don’t think the British would be angry at ‘foreigners camping at the hadrians wall’ at all.
American have join the world community and still wage war with Islamic nations. In todays world, it is all about national interest, not moral.
Imagine group of foreigners camping at stone henge
Ming, don’t be so naive. People do camp at Stone Henge! They also camp at every other monument and landmark where a 100 dollar hotel is not needed.
I think that was what he was gewtting at ;)
Ming… go traveling… there are thousands of famous historic sites around the world where you can camp or stay inside. Staying in Stone Henge would be like them staying in the busiest, most important section of Badaling. Them staying in the section of the Great Wall they actually did would be like people camping at one of the many other minor stone circle sites thoughout Britain, which happens often.
Mike Fish, You cant camp at Stone Henge. You cant even touch it. They have a guild that seal the area. Nowadays you can only look at it from a distant.
I been there 3 years ago. Dont believe me? Go ask travel agents.
I agree with you that you can’t camp at Stone Henge. Reread my comment. You can’t compare where they camped on the Great Wall to camping in Stone Henge because…
1. Stone Henge is small
2. Stone Henge is extremely well protected
3. Stone Henge is original and truely ancient, not restored
4. Stone Henge is unique
I said people CAN camp and stay at other similar stone circles all throughout the British Isles, not at Stone Henge. Try again.
Actually the druids are allowed access to Stonehenge for the winter and summer solstices, and they do camp there.
You can’t even walk into Stonehenge – all you can do is see it from a distance. This is to prevent further damage. So the comment about camping there is silly – the two things are obviously not comparable.
Arrest these the foreign campers, as well as those that allowed it! If they are Americans, ask them why it is okay there, but not here in America to camp at or on our National Monuments?
It is too bad these campers have no respect for the historical signifiance and pride the Chinese have for the Wall.
Well. i saw Chinese tourists pissing in Lincol Memorial. so saw i a same in Paris, close to Arch of Triumph. want to know where i saw chinese spiting and farting loud?
aside that, who at the hell said you that we chinese do have a historical pride for the Wall? are you fucking insane? its a simbol of our slavery, our arrogance, our ignorance and selfish isolation for tousands of years. what is so proud in sending your own and forign people to die on the border by building a huge senseless wall? At next you will tell everyone Hitler was a hero of Israel.
Yes I recently went to a cave site here in Yunnan near Kunming. A huge cave but I forget the name. In the middle of one area an adult Chinese man was standing and pissing. People acted like they did not see and i am sure none of them went into a forum to complain about it. My Chinese wife saw and was disgusted. While some foreigners are rude and careless and deserve shame I do not see it in these young travelers here. There are places on the net to research how mainland Chinese sometimes treat sites in other countries, often carving their names into stone walls. This is not all Chinese of course. The problem here is sometimes a situation like this suddenly becomes “all foreigners”. Even some commenters here say if one does go there and beat the foreigners then you are not a good Chinese person. What? That is absurd. Of course you are still a good Chinese simply because you have your own opinions.
Yes, it is bad taste to sleep on the wall, but it is the managers there who care only about money that are to blame. Why not develop a camp ground and charge a fee? The ground would be better to sleep on than stone walls.
actually every year we have an event like this one with the blcu crew (beijing language and culture university). I never went to but a friend went and told me it was great, they were hundreds sleeping on the wall.
Uh, are people forgetting that the great wall of China is friggin immense? The comment about Westminster Abbey was hilarous. I’m sure if the Abbey was 1000km. long people wouldn’t mind (or even notice) “overnight visitors”. As long as they take an ethical approach to the monument’s integrity and mix in a healthy dose of responsible camping, there’s nothing to worry about.
Westminster Abbey is 530 feet long. I’m sure people wouldn’t mind me to sign myself on wall. My sign would be inch or two long… I would not spit, piss or anything else, I would use non-invasive pen, or chalk. It will be very responsible.
Frank, are you from UK?
There is a difference between leaving your physical mark, and simply staying on something for some time. Leaving your personal mark requires someone else to clean it off, or for it to remain there after you are gone. That’s a silly analogy, krdr, think about it. The primary concern here is whether these people are 1) impeding other travelers – if they are there in a commonly walked area it may be a hassle for other people to have to ‘navigate’ around these people, and 2) whether they clean up after themselves.
Should those 2 conditions be met, I don’t think there’s any issue here, other than fake pride over something that was rebuilt for tourism.
I’m known for silly analogies ;). I think you got my point.
Whether the Wall is refurbished (or reconstructed) or not, it is part of world heritage.
I think there’s issue. Western youth is often issue by them self. Youth+beer+foreign country is recipe for disaster. I saw that in Beijing, I’m seeing it here.
I’m western, I had beer and camped on the wall, a shat beside the wall and peed beside it several times. Other than that, no harm done. There were several of us there too, and we (as far as I know) did no actual damage to it. It was actually a great experience.
By the way, I didn’t see any evidence of shitting on the wall in those pics, did you?
Also, I was never informed it was illegal, nor did we see any signs telling us that it was. This was 2007, October.
I drank the great wall and nobody died. Sleeping on this restored, very bare piece of re-engineered wall isn’t hurting much. It’s also pumping money into the Northern Hebei economy. Dude if you wanna come camp next to the Erie Canal, Washington Monument, or the Arch de Triumph I don’t think the govt is gonna cry over the extra cash and tourist draw.
Where is your evidence that these people were drinking beer on top of the Great Wall?
No evidence? Right, I thought not.
You have an axe to grind, and this is another chance to do so. The actual issue at hand doesn’t matter – only that you get to say how awful foreigners are.
just for idiots like you but Romanian Limes was way longer than chinese Wall..
from Britain until Arabia and Africa.
My hometown lies on Roman Limes. Limes wasn’t one long wall. Walls were made for same reason as Great Wall – to defend “civilization” from “barbarians”. Parts of limes was natural borders, too. As Danube, as Alps, as deserts.
Some parts of limes are reconstructed in same fashion as Great Wall, especially in Germany. And, nobody sleeps there.
Regarding your comment on Chinese sentiments towards Wall:
I found that Chinese are proud of Wall. It is THE biggest man made structure. Only strongest countries can manage erection and maintainance of that structure. Great Wall is almost national emblem of China. It ubiquitous. On airports, walls, markets, murals, advertising.
His historical purpose was to defend China from nomadic raids, and it did that job well until someone opened the door.
Almost all great structures of the world are made using slavery in some extent. Walls in Limes was made using only slavery. As I’m informed, workers on great wall was paid.
You are wrong when you talking about Wall as symbol of isolation. Dynasties that made the wall maintained political and merchant connections with all of their “civilized” neighbors. Even with Romans. Mings also sponsored naval expeditions.
Yuan dynasty is too blame for isolating China and they didn’t maintain the Wall.
So, if you are really Chinese, learn your history.
Qin shihaung paid his great wall ‘workers’? I hoped he bought insurance for them coz most of them work to their death. Maybe u refer to the workers from later dynasties who mantained the wall.
Actually, the Han dynasty found a better way to stop the raids, they went to raid the normads (Han Wudi).
During yuan dynasty, china enjoyed more trade with the west. They didn’t maintain the wall maybe coz they came from across the wall -.-?
Ok a interesting thought, if the great wall depicts the northern border of pre-han china. So does those land north of the wall really belongs to china? Since some chinese tend to show ancient maps to show tibet is part of china.
–Limes wasn’t one long wall.–
whahahaha.. neither was the great wall.
–And, nobody sleeps there.–
whahahahaha.. you have no idea what you are talking about. my friend does it every year. near Moesel river. if you want germans can give you place where you can help locals with restoration works. camping place for zero euros inclusive. but from other side. every village in Germany have such places. not like in China.
even such idiots like you are welcome there:
http://www.camping-bad-hoenningen.de/Freizeit/freizeit.php?d=Wandern%20&%20andere%20%20Aktivit%C3%A4ten&id=2
–It is THE biggest man made structure.–
WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA… In 1991, the Great Wall of China became the second largest man-made structure in the world. The largest was Fresh Kills Landfill, serving New York City. It is now the highest point on the east coast.
–Only strongest countries can manage erection and maintainance of that structure.–
WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.. ohh dear.. you saved my day..
–Great Wall is almost national emblem of China.–
WHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! no its still the Tiananmen Gate and 5 star-flag.
— It ubiquitous. On airports, walls, markets, murals, advertising.–
WHAHAHAHAHAHA. let me quest you was in Taiwan, Singapoure or San Franzisko-Chinatown. aside that Chinas most “ubiquitous” historical structure was always the Beijing-Hangzhou Grand Canal.
–His historical purpose was to defend China from nomadic raids, and it did that job well until someone opened the door.–
whahahahahahahaha.. wo told you this fantasy legend?
–Almost all great structures of the world are made using slavery in some extent. Walls in Limes was made using only slavery. As I’m informed, workers on great wall was paid.–
WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.. Limes was build by Legionares. best paid citizens of Roman Empire. workers on great wall. gosh you idiot. do you even know how many tales and poesy were writen in China about people dying by starvation, deadly work and clima during the building of the Wall?
–Dynasties that made the wall maintained political and merchant connections with all of their “civilized” neighbors.–
ohh. racist in your are shiting in your brain here.
–Yuan dynasty is too blame for isolating China and they didn’t maintain the Wall. So, if you are really Chinese, learn your history.—-
WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.. god is he an uneducated idiot!WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..
Hm… this time you tried with arguments. Let see:
- The link you provided doesn’t state anything about sleeping on the wall. I saw hiking, cycling, but no “camping”. If you want to be volunteer, you can also sleep on archeological sites of Felix Romuliana, or Timacum Minus: http://www.vap.org.uk/europe/serbia/heritage-protection/workcamp-2009-1.html, but you’ll not sleep on site. You’ll sleep in provided accommodation. This system is established by German archeologist. Camping in Germany is tightly regulated. Comparing that with sleeping on GW is nonsense.
I did a check, so I found only for Hadrian’s wall to be erected by soldiers. As Rome was slave state, I assumed that slaves participated in construction. My comment on great structures and slavery is also about Pyramids, Babylon, Parthenon,…
I didn’t know for Fresh Kills, but why didn’t you mention the land that Netherlands claimed from sea? Because, for you Great Wall is same as land fill. Still, GW is longest man made structure.
Western historians claims that China was one of strongest countries until 18th century.
As I’ve been only in Beijing and Shanghai, I cannot claim that GW is ubiquitous in Taiwan or SF chinatown (which is not in China).
When I said “almost national emblem”, I didn’t said “a national emblem”.
I read some stories and legends about Great Wall erection. Even the famous one about bones in mortar.
There’s also a reason why I put “barbarians” and “civilized/civilization” under quotes. Not to make racist comments, but to illustrate views of people in that time. For Greeks, Persians was barbarians among others. For Romans, Carthaginians. For Chinese, nomadic tribes on the north weren’t “civilized”.
From Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_Sangui
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Ming_Dynasty
Is this also a legend?
must you put ‘WHAHAHAHAHAHAA’ in front of everything? its kinda annoying and creepy…
Funny reactions, both western and chinese…
I just don’t see the point of doing camping on the GreatWall with so many poeple… It must be so nice with a bunch of friends, I mean, 5 people max…
Btw, in summer 2005 I did a music party on the great wall, I forgot which part exactly, but it was kinda authorized, there was a huge sound and light system. It was all night long, and the view in the morning, with the sunrise was breathtaking…
Sounds cool. I hope the killjoys haven’t gotten round to banning that kind of event. Seriously, I am totally against anything which would cause harm to the wall or impede others visiting it – but guys, the section in question was entirely restored 30 years ago as a tourist attraction. It. Is. Not. The. Original. Great. Wall.
I’m sure the majority of campers were respectful of the site but I can see how it would miff many Chinese. Regardless of intentions, some things leave a bruise whether they should or not.
It used to be a good place to party until the Chinese decided they’d get permission to hold crap “raves” with crap dj’s and no proper planning to handle events. Hardly a foreigner problem, they’d never get permission.
sticks and stones, sticks and stones..the chinese sometimes are too uptight.
grr! foreigners! *shakes fist*
Hey aren’t people forgetting something? It is the great wall management that allows people to camp there. If even they don’t give a shit except making money, who’s there to blame. Obviously the only way to solve this problem is not to blame on the foreigners but rather the management who is doing such a “terrific job” managing the place.
Ummm…didn’t you read the story and comments? That’s what the people are complaining about, the tour operators and managers.
Do you see tourist sleeping overnight at the Parthenon in Greece, or the Coliseum in Rome? How about the Eiffel Tower in Paris or the Lincoln Memorial in Washington D.C.?
It’s a travesty that someone would allow this to occur – disgracing a national symbol of China.
Of course what they say in America, money talks…bullshit walks.
China needs to protect its relics or they will fall prey like others around the world.
Analogy is wrong. Parthenon in Greece, Coliseum in Rome; you’re comparing the Great Wall, not the Forbidden Palace. Have you ever seen ‘foreigners’ try to camp out in the Forbidden Palace? That would be an apt analogy.
This ‘relic’ was rebuilt. It is still being rebuilt, if you walk to one of the segment ‘ends’ you’ll see the real pile of rubble (I mean wall).
The difference between the Parthenon and Coliseum and the Great Wall is that the wall where they are staying was built expressly for tourists to walk on it. It was probably built in 1988 with brand new bricks and cranes. If some of the bricks get worn down or fall out they can just add in some new ones.
I don’t get all of the butthurt. If some tourists slept on the park on top of Mount Rushmore I wouldn’t lose any sleep over it.
Wise Man… you are so right… you don’t see people camping in those places, here are the reasons
1. better protected
2. much smaller, not much camping space
3. Eiffel Tower… people would fall off
4. Lincoln Memorial… that would be more like camping on the steps of the Mao Mausoleum
5. Parthenon… too dark and spooky
Your anologies suck. There are plenty of Roman and Greek ruins, old church ruins, ancient castles, etc etc all around the world where you can camp or spend the night. Get a clue dude!
These guys are as said tourists and not expats with a (somewhat) deeper knowledge of China. Everyone knows that the wall is HUGE and that tourism is promoted aggresively in China apart from a couple of sensitive provinces. If you came here as a tourist for the first time and saw a Chinese agency advertizing an overnight stay at the Wall for a large group of people wouldn’t you automatically think it was government sanctioned and thereby acceptable? The blame for this mess is no doubt at the hands of the Wall officials who aren’t doing enough to protect the wall by allowing this thing to happen, but I assume they get a share of the profit too which makes it a little bit easier to stomach.
On another note I doubt foreign tourists would leave the site in a mess with scattered trash everywhere. Imagine a group of Chinese on an overnight stay? There’d be faeces, chickenbones, bottles, tissues and foodwrappings everywhere.
And to the Chinese posters: Although I think this kind of camping should be disallowed then please keep in mind that it’s not as if these guys are camping on a 2000 year old original ancient treasure. This is clearly a rebuilt part of the wall probably less than 10-15 years old and as many of these restored parts have very little if anything in common with what was there before apart from being situated in the same spot.
Well, we have a different way in the west. But i agree, they should obey the law. If not, they should be back home. Im sick of foreign people where i come from who live by their law, not ours.
troll, gg.
Disgrace to us Chinese.
Im jewish and strongly feel we are above other people. In Talmund is clearly states we are singled out from the rest. Please dont be offended by this. I would camp on the wall and i would tell PRC that i am a jew. That has helped me so many times in the past.
Don’t embarrass the tribe, bud. Because this sort of ethnocentrism is what fuels anti-semitism.
i agree with josh…plus, wtf does this have to do with the story? you think the prc gives a fuck if youre jewish? seriously ><
Ever considered the Talmund is wrong?
This kind of shit makes me think that ALL cultures are ethnocentric.
China is “The Middle Kingdom”
Jews are “The Chosen People”
Etc.
AHHAHAHAHA
chinese people mad about other people shitting other places than the toilett.
oooh the irony.
Seriously….I have never even seen a Chinese baby wearing a diaper….parents let them piss and shit on the bus, in the supermarket, etc.
Chinese people have NO RESPECT for hygeine or public property.
How many bathrooms here even have soap and toilet paper?
This is just another example of the Chinese whoring out their national treasures to make a buck. I’ve seen this all over China:
- Starbucks in the “Forbidden City” (I hear PuYi loved his green tea frappachino)
- A model Sphinx on the way to the Terracotta warriors.
- Has anyone been to the founding site of the CCP? It’s the most capitalist nouveau riche area of Shanghai?!
- Mogao Caves in Dunhuang. Some of the cave paintings have been deemed “too erotic” for the public to see. But if you pay your guide an extra 150 kuai, they’ll be more than happy to corrupt your virgin eyes.
At the Yellow Crane Tower, Wuhan’s most famous landmark, they sold Shaquille O’Neal and Kobe Bryant figurines. And not only was the tower not on the original grounds, they moved it across the Yangtze where it fit in easier.
Absolutely Canuck. In general, money comes before everything else to the Chinese. It’s really unfortunate. No shame.
i too have seen this wonderful qing dynasty starbucks. supposedly (after a nyt article, natch) it was removed b/c of protests and a new “chinese” cafe (aka not foreign owned) replaced it. sigh..
I know someone who’s been on one of these, and I’m almost positive the campers are not aware that what they’re doing is illegal.
I can see Chinese people being offended if certain individuals are particularly disrespectful or create a mess for others to clean up (leaving a tent behind, for example), but the idea that camping on the wall is in itself offensive is not a particularly sound argument by any Chinese cultural customs that I am aware of.
“Foreigners eating, drinking, shitting, pissing, sleeping on the Great Wall!”
Read the headline!! They are foreigners, not Chinese!! You Chinese piss and shit everywhere and treat your country like a pig’s house!!! Foreign visitors to this country have more respect for the environment than you ever will.
Simon is 100% correct.
I call this foreign invasion!
you better do something about it then, and remember, when you leave China, if you ever are lucky enough, YOU are the foreigner………and because of idiots like your self, the rest of the world has no respect for you.
“Blame the locals” are to typical for westerns. That locals are on edge of poverty (some of them are on the edge luxury). By paying to do something illegal, the one can justify his/hers deeds.
If Chinese people eat, drink shit, piss, sleep on Great Wall, and one considers himself civilized, then he must restrain himself from eating, drinking, etc…
Just think what is right and what is wrong.
On other side, I’m sure that this pics are taken from the place were sleeping is allowed, and the sign is from other part of the Wall.
I’ve never approved of sleeping on the Great Wall and I’ve turned down offers to go camping there with friends.
Along with the old Jiu Ba Jie, 1.20 Xiali cabs, yangrouchuanrrr at 3am, your first pitcher of Chivas GT… sleeping on the Wall seems to be part of the definitive ‘laowai’ Beijing experience.
It is a shame that it isn’t better policed, but I agree that foreigners should show a little more respect for the local heritage.
Seeing these pictures is just sad. The Wall seems to have become a free hostel during the warmer months. The signs clearly state that camping is prohibited. So don’t do it. You don’t need a policeman to tell you.
Bloody 外国佬… ;)
DWR
your just a little bitch deep inside…… yes that’s right, just a little confused brainwashed bitch who thinks you still live in the tang dynasty…..
look around YOU…this country is not what i was 500 years ago because of the foreigners..oh I mean chinese……guess were in China now..
It’s currently one big polluted cheap garbage bin… and you worried about people sleeping on Rocks ??
How do you know the the sign is on that section of the wall? How do you know they stayed overnight?
Respect for local heritage? “Foreigners” payed for the wall to be restored while the heritage loving local took parts of it to build houses!!
Plenty of Chinese universities offer campling trips on the wall, so obviously ingnorance in your case is part of the definitive Chinese experience!
Get a grip, grow up and shut up 滚！
North American tourists are hated the world over. Tom Green’s “Subway Monkey Hour” will give you a good insight into why.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qpvnfFa2o8
Actually, American tourists typically are ranked among the best tourists in the world. Because after all the jokes about big fat boorish Americans, they obey signs and are the best tippers. The Japanese are up there for being polite and big spenders. The French ranked low for being cheap arrogant assholes and the Chinese are ranked low cause they are loud and do not follow lines.
Plus, you are quoting Tom Green? Seriously?
Where are you from?
Who? Me?……………………………………………….
I do not see any pictures of people shitting or pissing in the great wall (they certainly do that a dozen meters away and so it is no problem for the nature). But everytime I went to the great wall I saw lot of carving from chinese people… But so few chinese complain about that.
Why anyone would want to pay good rmb to visit the majority of China’s tourist sites is beyond me. Dusty recreations made of plastic tiles and pvc. After a big weekend they look like exploded dumpsters. They give the word CHEESY a whole new definition compared to Disneyland, and are totally interchangeable one with another. Museums are a blast of propaganda in my experience. The again I’m Oz ethnocentric….drop litter here, we fine your arse, and this is why our environment is pristine, and also why half China would relocate here permanently if they could pass the IELTS exam.
Isn’t this old news? I swear I heard on news about foreigners camping, pissing, shitting, and drug use on the wall two years ago.
What the heck is wrong? A bunch of back-packers enjoy on the wall. Dont worry they would pick up the trash.
If Chinese like to camp in Europe they an do that 30 meter from ANYONES house. And yes, i believe they leave a big mess after. Chicken-bones mixed with used condoms.
If you see this as a offence, you better solve your internal psychological stuff. And in the meantime, do not use forums to make a fool out of yourself.
If it was blacks, gypsies or any other ethnicity wth ow IQ and bad behavior, i cold understand.
Just my 2 cents.
“If it was blacks, gypsies or any other ethnicity wth low IQ and bad behavior, i cold understand.”
Wow. The few people I know who have weird views like this usually are clever enough not to air them in public. I am not black or a Roma but do you have any scientific proof to back up the “low IQ” claim? (although I have to agree that Romas often due to their socio-economic situation are overrepresentated in what most people would refer to as “bad behaviour”)
maybe sarcasm involved… hopefully
They look like foreigners, but are you sure?
pissing and shitting in public sounds very Chinese. spitting too
Look, yea nobody is going to camp out at the Parthenon because they DON’T allow it and actually enforce it. If they did allow it at all the famous places than I probably would do it when I visit; it would be cool as hell to camp out in the Coliseum for a nite with friends. As tourists we go explore a new country and try all the different services available. Its up to the local authorities to regulate and protect the important places. Its one thing if these guys are jumping fences but clearly somebody local organized, advertised, and sold the camping trip and probably billed it as legal.
And I’ve ran along the Wall and pissing off it is the least of the Wall’s problems.
…..Tommy woz ere……
this kind of things happened everrday. you cant rely on the administrative to monitor or manage. coz the great wall there is apparently a cash wall.
I can’t imagine wanting to go camping in a giant group of 50 people! The whole purpose of camping, for me, is to get away from society, escape into the wilderness, and not need a whole truckload of supplies that will make it as convenient as my living room.
In my experiences, many North American campers are the most respectful and environmentally-keen citizens you’ll find. Many,myself included, go to great lengths to not disrupt the places we trek, to leave no sign of our having been there.
As far as being culturally insensitive…what’s insensitive is the lackluster and unprofessional work that goes into much of China’s restorations, especially when compared to the painstaking steps that go into many European projects.
Visiting the WenZhong path in Nanjing, I saw Chinese tourist after Chinese tourist climbing on the stone animal structures.
Badaling has more carved grafitti and defacement than the inside of a truck-stop bathroom…and not much of it in English!
that said, these posers did seem to go through a shit-ton of trash, I’d hope they cleaned up afterwards. In the US, smart campers always bag trash immediately, so as to help keep away bears, scavenging animals, and ants.
Wouldn’t even matter if they actually did leave all those cans and bottles there on the wall. Once they leave those can and bottle collectors would come a collect them all to earn money.
I didn’t read all the comments but however you look at it, it’s ugly. Nowhere in the world is there a tour place without rules, so when it says no camping it means no camping plain and simple and this isn’t your typical grassland on campus.
And the fact they didn’t leave trash around can’t remotely justify this. Every tourist is forbidden to lay beds so why should they take exceptions??
You sure this photo is actually taken in an area where camping is forbidden? You know how many Chinese people do this? Every university in Beijing has a camp on the wall trip.
First of all, the poster’s an inposter,sort of like a low blow report, Now my question is: WHERE IN THE WORLD ARE THEY FROM??
I was hoping someone could answer that question,cause If an Iraqi blowtorch a city,headline goes like “Iraqi blowtorches a city”.
If an African scams some fool, headlines are “A Ghanian,Nigerian or cameroonian scams an american”
Now yall see the post in different perspective,but I dare a sensible soul to answer ” WHERE ARE THESE CAUCASIANS FROM??
“FOREIGNERS CAMPING ON THE GREAT WALL” wtf
(An american born chinese under chinese law is considered a foreigner too)
And please don’t nobody come up here with
” How would you expect the reporter to ascertain their nationalities?”
These are group of tourists possibly from the same country speaking the same language (stuglish).
WHERE IN THE WORLD ARE THESE CAUCASIANS FROM??
Excellent point…. but in China foreign is foreign. Every non-Chinese person is to blame for whatever any other non-Chinese person does. I believe it’s related to Xenophobia and utter ignorance.
WHERE IN THE WORLD ARE THESE CAUCASIANS FROM??
From Caucasus. That is Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan,… ;)
Actually, this guys looks as Britons to me.
I’d guess Canadians. Some are too tan for Brits.
Aren’t Canadians part of Commonwealth, with British Emperor as Head of State?
Just checked, Crown of Canada is separated and equal to British Crown.
If by “checked” you mean “showed just how much of a moron you are” then congratulations on a job well done! Queen Elizabeth is also Queen of Canada. As to who these guys are, nothing in these photos identifies them.
As if that is a real section of the wall. Notice, no photos of the area after they move on, just while they are camping. No doubt the area was picked up. I vomit on your elastic nationalism…
This same shit happened in Korea a bit over a year ago, a drunken American soldier set fire to Namdaemun and they blamed it on some poor old man.
It was actually YOU!!! *&^%$Koseki!(*^%
It’s not actually that great of a wall now, it’s a bit run down now, should be the “so-so wall”
Ya da ya da fucking ya da; get a grip, the authorities are obviously allowing people to stay there so they can make money for their own pockets; what about all the CHINESE hawkers selling the sleeping bags in the first place? I suppose they’re just innocent. Well they do have to make money somehow since this communist state where everyone is equal but some more eual than others doesn’t provide for them, 滚！
Foreigners shouldn’t be such a bunch of idiots, but where’s the cultural pride, as far as the Chinese go?
The guilty is in the both sides ( Chinese and Tourist ).
Why don’t just keep a small part of the Great Wall for this kind of camping officially !?
I don’t understand why Chinese people are crying. They should be proud that a bunch of laowais are trying to adapt to Chinese habits. Pissing and shitting in public places and randomly throwing garbage is a national sport in China
Yeah, I agree with you Kevin. Not to p, s and litter would hurt the feelings of the Chinese people, as we hear so often on CCTV. Drop your garbage out of the window of your highrise. Children urinating in buses. Dump your industrial waste in the river at night. God, the list goes on. 5,000 years of civilization and what have we got. An extremely degraded environment which is beyond repair.
I’m not sure what is more disappointing: The usual anti-foreigner comments by ignorant Chinese or the usual anti-Chinese comments by foreigners who really, really should know better.
What about the “anti everybody” comments? Can I make some of those? Missed you Kai!!
True Kai. We have yet to find other ways to vent our frustrations with the nonsense we see over here. I find myself getting more cynical everyday…but that’s my own problem and i’m trying to deal with it. how about giving me a couple of your Prozacs?
shin, old buddy, thanks for reinforcing my standing criticism that foreigners tend to feel entitled to bitching and whining without feedback or pushback. As I’ve said before, I get it, but often that bitching and whining gets tiresome and out of control, especially when foreigners are supposed to be and often claim to be so much more civilized, rational, logical, and generally superior in intellect and maturity to the locals. I hold foreigners to a higher standard mainly because they claim to be of a higher standard. Given that, can you blame me for being disappointed when foreigners fail to meet the expectations they have for themselves? Don’t you get disappointed with ANYONE, whether Chinese or foreign, that does the same?
The bottom line, as chinaSMACK can attest to in the Chinese netizens they translate and the commenters who post here, is that the vast majority of people in this world, regardless or race or nationality, allow themselves to say some really dumbass things that they probably wouldn’t say if they actually first bothered to rub two brain cells together and, like, tried to be rational. People are emotional, hypocritical things. We all are, and I make such mistakes all the time too. Just because we do, and probably BECAUSE we do, I think occassionally reminding ourselves to take a step back and check ourselves is generally a good call. I know most people hate being confronted with their own flaws and mistakes, but too bad.
Kai… the pot calling the kettle black eh? You just using “foreigners” once, like you do, puts you in the same catagory as them.
The posts Chinasmack translates are sensational, the Chinese language comments often even more so, and the reaction, from other Chinese and foreigners… surprise surprise, often sensational too. You aren’t hoping for subtle referenced discource on a topic as absurd as this, are you?
Mike,
I’m hoping for foreigners who invoke their inherent superiority to actually display that inherent superiority when responding to such “sensational” Chinese posts/comments. The real life equivalent of this is a bunch of racists talking shit about another race and laughing to themselves without recognizing or realizing that a member of that race is amongst them, and then that person turns to them and says “wow, you guys are assholes.”
As far as using the word “foreigners”, does it bother you that you got upset with that instead of me saying “ignorant Chinese”? You know what I’m referring to and I’m strictly blaming those who are culpable, be they idiotic Chinese who see the world in us vs. them, or idiotic foreigners who do likewise. Would translating ignorant and offensive YouTube comments for the Chinese audience justify the Chinese in reacting with the same levels of ignorance and offensiveness? No, if you know better, you should BE better, or try your damn best to do so. Otherwise, how can a foreigner claim to be better if he or she allows him or herself to be just as bad as the Chinese he or she disdains and looks down upon?
That’s my point. Do you disagree with it? Is this criticism inaccurate or unfair? Do you think it is unreasonable of me to feel this given many of (not all) the comments on this thread?
the problem is with the word “foreigner” itself. i guess there’s not another (better) word to use, but the meaning of the word itself is meant to be excluding. after hearing it so much in asia, i have noticed that americans rarely use this word, instead preferring to call people by their nationality (swiss, french, chinese, etc), which i think is not only more accurate but more polite as well.
chinese do have a tendency to exclude/separate people, whether by race, nationality, sex, economics, …its not a healthy way to think. its strange to see a country like america, which is rather cohesive despite all the differences in the people that live there, versus china, which is pretty culturally and racially homogeneous but is still stuck when it comes to social evolution.
Mike (non-Fish),
I don’t think “foreigner” as I used it is inaccurate for the people I’m referring to. I suppose I could write down the name of every commenter I’m referring to, but that’s a bit excessive, don’t you think? I imagine most people know who I’m referring to and who I’m not, especially since I specify by what they are identified by (“usual anti-Chinese comments”, “foreigners who invoke their inherent superiority”, etc.). If you’re not one of those people, was there anything I said that unfairly dragged innocent people into it? Did I say anything to suggest that “all” foreigners are this way?
“Foreigner” like the names of races/nationalities is by itself a pretty neutral descriptor. How polite or impolite it may sound stems from how it is uttered, even how it is “heard”. I didn’t intend to add any inherent nastiness to the word itself, but I would understand if you read more into it than I intended. I fully recognize that it can be used negatively, just as “Chinese” can as well.
I think everyone, not just Chinese, tends to exclude and separate people. I find a statement suggesting that this is not a healthy way to think and specifically singling out the Chinese as somehow “guilty” of it to be offensive if not outright ignorant. We, as humans, all interpret our world by similarities and differences, and in this, “Chinese” and “foreigners” are far more alike than different. Frankly, I don’t even understand how you could say such a thing and feel good about saying it. It is ridiculous. I also think your comparison about China’s “social evolution” with America’s “cohesiveness” to be irrelevant if not misguided. If nothing else, it seems to lend strength to my criticism that there’s little to excuse the atttitude of many Americans or “foreigners” here who have said plenty to show how they’re not much further in their “social evolution” compared to the Chinese.
What’s the difference between a racist American and a racist Chinese? Nothing. They’re both assholes.
um actually i was just saying how i dont like the word foreigner. is there anything you dont overreact to? seriously…its annoying. a sentence or two will suffice.
and yes, from my experience, chinese on the whole are more racist and prone to sweeping stereotypes than americans. i think many here will agree with me. i doubt the “overseas chinese” are treated as roughly in the US as americans are in china
mike,
Strange, I originally thought you were overreacting to me using the word “foreigner.” Now you’re saying I’m overreacting to your overreaction, and surely you’ll say this paragraph is an overreaction to your overreaction. Funny, eh?
I think the vast majority of racism and stereotyping from Chinese are similar in nature to those from Americans. There’s just a lot more Chinese in a much less multi-cultural environment with far less multi-cultural education. Frankly, I don’t give a shit if many here will agree with you and I find it cute that you take solace in that. I do think any foreigner (whether it be a Chinese in America or an American in China) receives varying levels of treatment depending on where they are in that host country and what morons they encounter.
But sure, I get it, you’re still trying to assert and establish that the Chinese are worse than Americans. It just wasn’t enough to denounce racism wherever it shows up, you had to insist that one group is more guilty of it than the other. You couldn’t adhere to a principle, you had to find a target of blame. If that makes you feel better about yourself, fine.
But…”seriously…its annoying.”
“I do think any foreigner (whether it be a Chinese in America or an American in China) receives varying levels of treatment depending on where they are in that host country and what morons they encounter.”
hmm very true. i suppose i just have bad luck then. ill admit im biased because i got treated like shit in china, but everyone is biased in their own way. since i got a fistful of racism/sexism/whatever everywhere i went in china (except tibet. irony?), i naturally concluded that chinese are not so…shall we say, socially adept? i definitely wouldnt say that counts as racism though. probably has nothing to do with race and lots more to do with government…therefore…
of course its an education problem, but like you so often say, people should know better anyways. americans are spoiled with how diverse and multicultural the country is, but china is becoming more and more globalized and likes to say how advanced they are all the time…yet…
btw, my first comment wasnt an overreaction, i just noticed you and fish or whoever you were talking to were having some debate about the word. thats it. i think it gets thrown around a lot in a negative way (esp in chinese) so i try not to use it myself when possible.
glad you find me cute, thought you guys all liked asian girls though? ha
Kai, you’re from Austrailia. Aren’t you technically a “foriegner” too?
I hold “foreigners” to a higher standard than Chinese because…well, foreigners, in general tend to be cleaner and more respectful of rules.
How many foreigners spit in every public place?
How many foreign babies don’t wear diapers and piss in public places (not toilets)?
How often do Chinese people obey the “No Smoking” signs (or any signs for that matter)?
If you’re in a movie theatre and someone starts shouting on their phone is the person more likely to be Chinese or non-Chinese?
Just a few comparisons for your consideration.
i agree. two wrongs dont make a right; the guys doing business like this should have more respect for the great wall, the foreigners definitely know better but probably assume its ok since there are businesses doing this (probably) nightly. lack of respect all around. i feel for the chinese in this case, though, even though seeing zoos, carnival rides, snack stands, etc everywhere on the great wall really upsets me, its because these people arent supported by the state and do what they can, moral or not, to make ends meet.
I think a lot of the bad behavior of foreigners in China can be attributed to “when in Rome”.
If Chinese people spit, shit and piss on everything in their own country why should they expect foreigners to act differently?
I think a lot of people(BOTH CHINESE AND OTHERWISE) would take advantage of an opportunity to sleep on the great wall。 The fact that this is an issue of nationality and not an issue of unenforced rules is beyond me..
There are pollutions everywhere in China. I mean EVERYWHERE. ‘Cause local inhabitants just do not respect their environment or cultural heritage (it’s been totally destroyed since 1949). On the other hand, it would be fun to camp out there thought.
So many more important things to get upset about in China that have nothing to do with foreigners…
There is nothing wrong with the Tourists (no matter they are Caucasian, Indian or African). They just paid for the right to camp in the Great Wall. If I knew I can do that I will certainly do it next time. (I’m Chinese)
They are Xinjiang separatists, not foreigners!
Strongly Oppose Ethnic Stereotypes!
“I haven’t been to the Great Wall yet, and dammit, seeing this I don’t want to go anymore! And good Chinese?! If I go and see those bastard “laowai” eating, drinking, shitting, pissing, sleeping on the Great Wall without giving them a beating, then I would not be a good Chinese person! Those who do not go to the Great Wall are not good Chinese, but those who go and do not flatten those foreigners who insult the Great Wall are truly not good Chinese!”
And there it is my foreign friends. That is exactly what Chinese think of us. They hate you and me, read the comments. They copy, lie, steal and the cry as if they are the victims all while rattling their sabres and threatening us at the same time.
I read an article on China Daily today about “protecting Chinese business men abroad from VICIOUS XENOPHOBIC attacks.” Most of those blogs called for retalliation or even military intervention to “protect” “Chinese abroad”.
Its not that Chinese are smart, its that we are so stupid to LET them do this shit. I wish Bush was still in office and we just bombed the great wall. Maybe we would find Osama there
The next vicious zenophobic attack will be in Algeria…guaranteed. There are also other flashpoints in African countries which have signed up for Chinese financed mining joint ventures. Late payment of wages, extended work hours, non-existent workplace safely and environmental problems.
That’s it? Seems Chinese companies operating abroad hold themselves to much higher standards than their local counterparts.
Next vicious xenophobic attack will be local, my friend.
(Assuming we can consider the abused various minorities harboring hatred as xenophobic)
Rick. I hope that was irony. Do a google search on Africa. I bet the farm on my prediction against your Beijing apartment and a few of your second wives.
Partially sarcasm, partially ‘adding’ to the point that Chinese companies *everywhere*, abroad or local, fuck their employees over and treat them like dirt. (not all of course..but many)
Ha Ha! I love the comments on this. Foreigners are ruining The Great Wall! Who took the money? Who sold them the sleeping bags, Who took the bags up to the wall? Chinese people. Hilarious! I’ve been to The Great Wall two times and was amazed by the beauty. I was also amazed by the amount of trash I saw on the ground. If China wants to become cleaner it’s up to Chinese people to stop throwing garbage everywhere and become environmentaly aware. Don’t blame those ‘horrible, evil foreigners’, take responsibility for your own actions.
Are you “Joshua” that Dolly Parton sings about? If so PM me!
Joshua, when do Chinese people ever take responsibility for their own actions?
From my experience, NEVER!
It’s always someone else’s fault….like Japan or The Western Media.
The level of Chinese racism and ignorance is amazing. They only object to foreigners people camping out on the Wall. It’s OK for Chinese to camp, even though Chinese leave their rubbish everywhere while westerners put it in the bin. The truth is, Chinese just can not stand the sight of foreigners in China.
Michael,
You are so right. They even disdain us in our own countries. You Tube (if you are outside of China) the Chinese riots in Milan where they were pulling out Chinese flags in the middle of ITALY singing the Chinese national anthem rioting because they broke the law and then got mad at the police.
I laugh when I read the storied of Chinese getting “VICIOUSLY” attacked in Africe,… hey retards, its AFRICA what did you think was going to happen?
FDLU. Don’t denigrate Africa like that. Even though many African countries are basketcases, at least they have given the world some great music. Mali, Nigeria and Senegal (my personal choices) have produced musicians to die for…..Salif Kieta, FELA KUTI and Baaba Mal to name just three. Listen. Enjoy. Peace.
Fela Kuti is the bomb, just a pity the guy was as fucked up as they come.
Oh, and the day that China produces a musician as whacked out and cool as Fela Kuti is the day they get the right to talk smack about the Africans. Seriously, the guy set up his own country, declared himself the Black President, married hundreds of women, as well as cutting brilliant tunes dissing African governments (go check the lyrics for International Thief-Thief and O.D.O.O., although the tunes are just as good if you ignore the lyrics).
The Chinese who object to foreigners camping on the wall are the better educated city dwellers, and those who live outside of China. The local people in Hubei don’t object. They are more interested in business. Xenophobia doesn’t pay.
Chinese wall is as fake as my wifes prada. But please dont tell her…
Chinese film crews sleep on the great wall all the time… do you know how far it is to get down from the wall and go to the nearest hotel?
I have not been to the Wall for at least 5 years. But I remember Chinese people squatting and shitting on the wall, ALL OVER IT. Many people had shat on their instant noodle / meal foam trays and left the trays on the ground. Orange peals were everywhere.
Another thing… the tourist sections of the Wall are filled with shops that sell garbage. Part of this national monument was made into a cheap down-hill roller-coaster ride. The group tours which take foreigners to the Wall usually stop and crappy restaurants (and the tour-guide gets kick-backs). Yes Chinese people get angry about a bunch of White (albeit, ugly and out-of-shape) back-packers?
I remember going there- reached a point where I wanted to take a photo and a group of chinese came over and asked us to pay to take a photo there because that spot had a sign that indicated how far we’d reached. Urgh. It wasn’t even their sign. It’s sick how people want to take advantage of their own culture and make themselves and their fellow countrymen look so bad. (I’m Chinese btw)
You can’t blame all the foreigners characters on things like “Tom Green” and “Students”.
The same way, I hope they wouldn’t blame us for the lowlives of our country……
I do admit…. the sign of trash is a bit disturbing…. but I can also see that these pictures seem to be the worst of those taken.
Did they clean up when they left?
Did they even know it was illegal?
And where was our police to stop them?
Who was the real ones at fault?
And to state, we aren’t talking about moral issues of sleeping here… since it was allowed in the past.
It’s just the thought of them not cleaning up after, which this article doesn’t state if they did or didn’t. They only showed the pictures of when they just woke up.
Ohhh well, it looks like, trash posted trash.
Why post an incomplete story?
And didn’t we just have a story about a girl getting her privacy took away? I mean…… How did you react to that, when you have someone here taking pictures of them putting clothes on.
Check it out, one of the girls is trying to put her pants on with a guy taking her picture from above.
But please do forgive me if I’m jumping to conclusions and that another foreigner is actually taking the pictures.
Anyway…. lol
i love to take a shit on the chinese wall or anything chinese. 5,000 years of culture…ha…5,000 years of barbarism
their whole country is a dump becoz they r scum, f em
Why do countries spent so much resources and human lives for super structures that really do nothing? Reminds me of those empty high rises that the North Koreans built to show the world that they’re modern like everyone else. I rather spend the money that was used to build the Bird’s Nest on 5,000 new schools. Now, that’s something to be proud of.
Miako…I think they do it for “face”….my opinion of most Chinese people (based on my personal experiences) is that they prefer STYLE to SUBSTANCE…know what I mean?
Miako – same reason the Pharaoh built the Sphinx with all his treasure – to legitimize himself.
maybe posted already but the condition (according to wiki) show what the chinese really think of their precious wall…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_wall_of_china#Condition
Barbarians on the defence wall- very symbolic.
ok i just cant let this idiot to walk away that simple:
- The link you provided doesn’t state anything about sleeping on the wall. I saw hiking, cycling, but no “camping”.–
whahahah.. this was camping you idiot. nopt all people are coming to look on the wall and get into the bus for another “chinese atraction” and again you missed my point those “forigners” sleepig on the wall are doing it because there are not camp places around the wall.
—If you want to be volunteer, you can also sleep on archeological sites of Felix Romuliana, or Timacum Minus: http://www.vap.org.uk/europe/serbia/heritage-protection/workcamp-2009-1.html, but you’ll not sleep on site. You’ll sleep in provided accommodation. This system is established by German archeologist. Camping in Germany is tightly regulated. Comparing that with sleeping on GW is nonsense.—
you idiot just proved my point.
–I did a check, so I found only for Hadrian’s wall to be erected by soldiers.—
all limes was build by legionares. its stupid to get slaves there when you need support of local population and are close to/inside of enemies land.
—-As Rome was slave state, I assumed that slaves participated in construction. My comment on great structures and slavery is also about Pyramids, Babylon, Parthenon,–
like Limes Pyramids were build by free people. its proved by historical and archeological research, you dumb loser.
–I didn’t know for Fresh Kills, but why didn’t you mention the land that Netherlands claimed from sea? Because, for you Great Wall is same as land fill.–
dear idiot thats how people do build big walls.
—Still, GW is longest man made structure.–
no you idiot thats still a trans-siberian railway. but most long man made Structure is the international comunication cable network.
–Western historians claims that China was one of strongest countries until 18th century.–
never saw such one.
—As I’ve been only in Beijing and Shanghai, I cannot claim that GW is ubiquitous in Taiwan or SF chinatown (which is not in China).—
whahahahaha. guys, he doesnt know what “the great wall restaurant” is!
—When I said “almost national emblem”, I didn’t said “a national emblem”. I read some stories and legends about Great Wall erection. Even the famous one about bones in mortar.–
its not erection it building you dumb loser.
—-There’s also a reason why I put “barbarians” and “civilized/civilization” under quotes. Not to make racist comments, but to illustrate views of people in that time. For Greeks, Persians was barbarians among others. For Romans, Carthaginians. For Chinese, nomadic tribes on the north weren’t “civilized”.—
greeks, persians and romans gived a shit about “civilized”. all lived in different cultures where the relligion was in a first place.
–Is this also a legend?–
no, but this is not a “historical purpose was to defend China” either you idiot.
What the hack, I just must admit you are right. I’m just not enough civilized to write “idiot” for every argument you made. Especially in anonymity of internet.
It is easy for you, aren’t? Hey, you made a good points, gave good arguments. Sometimes, you just didn’t read what I wrote, but you still tries to offend me, calling me idiot and turning my words inside out.
You just know how to make friends.
yes.. im still angry because you ignore that history is like a banger it has two sites and you ignored that one wich does play most important role in chiese thinking and meaning.
Tourists sleep there because locals give them a choice or force them to do it. locals are forced to do this because its impossible to build cheap hotels and camping places and because local oligarchs will take those places and hotels into own corrupt hands.
so do you missunderstand the fantasies wrote by chinese nazis and propaganda arseholes for reality and history. you do not question yourself if it were the truth or just “we proud overlords build this wall to keep our blood clean from dirty barbars living in the north” shit.
I don’t try to ignore history, as you think. I spent half a day, looking over internet to check were you right or not. I never had a problem to say I’m wrong, but I have problem when someone twists my words and trying to offend me. You last comment proved me that (beside your history knowledge and orating skills ) one can have decent talk with you.
Sleeping on GW is ultimately cool. I would like to do that. But, for me, personally, sleeping on GW (not in accommodation) is offensive to Chinese people. You said that millions suffered while Wall was building. Drinking and sleeping is not good way to show condolence to that people. By telling me that, I have more appreciation to builders, an ordinary people that build that Wall.
In Europe, many fortifications are build with great pain from ordinary people. In my country (Serbia) there’s at least 3 structures that was remembered in legends by hardship during construction. Those places are of great historical importance for us, and none sleeps there. Although, it would be cool.
I never justified calling Mongols, Jurchen/Manchus or any other people “barbarians”. Fact is that they were called like that. Germans had same sentiments toward Slavic people. They spoke about us as “barbarian from south”. I cannot justify calling any people “barbarians”. We witnessed situations that many crimes were made in the name of “civilization”. Crimes are crimes, no matter who made it.
The statement about protection from the north can be found not just in history book I have (Outline history of China), but all over the net. It had war defensive purpose, I never said to “keep blood clean”. How I see it, Wall kept northern tribes from not stealing hard earned goods of ordinary people (and gold from those less ordinary).
What I also checked is that total length of roman limes was about 5000km, which is a lot, in deed, but not all of that was wall. Slavery in ancient Egypt was very complex category, as their role in old Egypt is uncertain… Workers on pyramids were provided shelters, tax lowering, food, they didn’t own a land and were subjected to lords, temples or state. You know the story. Ancient Greeks claimed that pyramids were made by slavery labor, but, correct me if I’m wrong, Old Greeks was ignorant for other countries than theirs.
I checked for Trans-Sibir railway. It is longer than GW, but those two things cannot be compared, at least due the man power involved.
Instead calling me idiot, it is better for me if you provide links that I can check.
whahahaha.. sure… you idiot!
What a looser you are! Calling Uself “the great yellow master race”! U hate being Chinese in west. You are smaller than rest, U have small d**k. I bet everyone make a joke with U, stupid cunt. You are able to write short history of China in 4444 characters and what else?
I bet when you make a mistake, you scare to the death, ‘cos U R not able to admit mistake, U know. UR afraid that U will lose UR 2 bucks a day job in some dirty restaurant.
First learn how to talk with civ people, then open your mouth, dork.
Okay, people are trying to make some valid (if less than precise) historical point here. Right around the world it would be hard to find a large structure which was not built by some type of slave labour. Aztecs, Incas, St Petersburg. Without Chinese labour the US would not have the Union Pacific. The Qin dynasty who built the GW were the Pol Pots of their day. Whatever, I will stick with Ben Hur and Cleopatra for my readings of ancient history.
Whats the big deal? The wall is thousands of k’s long. . . they are just sleeping on one part. They will leave it clean you can be sure.
Its a historical site you can be sure but its also nature outside.
How is this “insult to chinese people”? Too sensitive.
Doesn’t China still have slaves anyway? So what let them do what they want, they aren’t worth being paid anyway.
Point is, whenever something “foreign” happens in China its a massive uprising. This is Marxism and Despotism at its best. Support a common enemy to take the focus off the internal strife. Have you ever noticed that NOTHING in China is easy. From getting off a subway with no air con in 40 degree heat, to have to do a useless bag check getting on the subway by a 19 year old Gansu peasant. To trying to line up anywhere knowing that someone is going to try to cut in front of you?
There’s a reason, that reason is to make you focus on other things BESIDES the fact that this country’s leadership siphons off all of the resources for personal gain whilst building themselves luxury apartments that the rest of us can’t buy (I’m white, with a nice salary and I can’t even think of buying a home here). Let me rephrase that, I don’t think spending 250K USD to buy an apartment in a cramped hot area surrouned by cadres who still spit throw seeds, or try to run over my kids (see previous post) is a good investment.
Keeping the locals focused on “caucasoids” (that is the new hot button in China Daily) is the way to keep them from realizing that Wang their boss just walked off with everyone’s pension for a weekend in Macau.
“Point is, whenever something “foreign” happens in China its a massive uprising. This is Marxism and Despotism at its best. Support a common enemy to take the focus off the internal strife. Have you ever noticed that NOTHING in China is easy. From getting off a subway with no air con in 40 degree heat, to have to do a useless bag check getting on the subway by a 19 year old Gansu peasant. To trying to line up anywhere knowing that someone is going to try to cut in front of you?
There’s a reason, that reason is to make you focus on other things BESIDES the fact that this country’s leadership siphons off all of the resources for personal gain whilst building themselves luxury apartments that the rest of us can’t buy”
Geez, I feel exactly the same way….I really feel like they try to put a lot of focus on JAPAN during WW2 to distract the Chinese people from Mao and his party did to China and the Chinese people.
Chinese people protested the historical revisionism of Japanese Textbooks (fair enough, I think Japan needs to be accountable for the atrocities they committed during WW2) but…..dude….look at their history textbooks.
maintaining a wall that great doesn’t come cheap i suppose. but to sleep along the walls under the night skies, would be an opportunity not to be missed. i wouldn’t mind doing it myself but i’m a hotel sorted guy. so i’ll pass =D
ppl should just stop bitchin bout stupid sh#t
Not surprising, but certainly not unique to westerners. You should see the mess rich chinese/hong kong tourists make when they visit national parks in the United States.
To all the Chinese who are angry about this incident – wake up to reality. %0 years ago your government declared the Great Wall China’s national embarassment and let the wall slip into disrepair. Only after they saw the value of increased tourism did your government start to declare it a national treasure and begin reconstruction efforts. That is why most foreigners hate Chinese people. Its not because your strong or weak, smart or stupid, rich or poor . . . its because you do not think for yorselves, and after years of being spoon fed unabashed nationalism to stave off any thoughts of blaming your own government for your problems, you latch onto ridiculous stories such as this and sing in unison your overplayed “you have disrespected the Chinese people” symphony. IF CCTV 9 declared that it was recently discovered that nearly all of the people in southern China were not really of Han descent, the government could convince you it was disrespectful and you would go to war with yourselves.
I’ve camped near the greatwall. I’ve even taken a piece of it home with me. I wanna do it again. If anyone is up for this in September, let me know!
Chinese are always over-reactive on everything …
OMG! THe manager needs to be prosecuted for damaging national treasure! In this case more to international treasure!
When I go to China I follow the saying “Ru xiang sui su” (入乡随俗) which means, “When in a village follow the local custom”. So when I went to the Great Wall I let my kids shit on the path, I spat on the floor and I scratched my name on the wall. And I left my rubbish everywhere except in the bin.
That’s why they put signs up saying “No dogs or Chinese” in the parks. A good idea – should be installed on the Great Wall.
“Ugh…too shameless…what country are they from??? I too want to go to their country to ruin their environment/surroundings!!!”
um don’t they know they ARE already destroying the whole world’s environment???? And anyone who has been to China town can tell you how dirty and smelly that place is.
SNOOGANS
Have you ever been to Emei Shan in Sichuan, one of the “Four Sacred Buddhist Mountains of China”?
It is littered with rubbish! Empty plastic bottles, candy wrappings, tissue paper, you name it. Everywhere! It really spoilt the trip, I tell you!
And I didn’t meet one single gweilo on the trek from the foot of the mountain to the summit and back down, so these poorly educated foreigners sleeping on the Great Wall (shame on them!) have evidently learnt from the Chinese how to treat Chinese cultural treasures!
Progress is a comfortable disease and life is a disturbing moment of suffering surrounded by eternal indifference and peace. Humanity is like a cancer on the earth, consuming what it can to survive so it can feel as good as it can before it fades into oblivion. I am so disgusted beyond amusement by the narcissistic selfishness of cultural ignorance from the masses of the mindless that plague this poor planet. And ChinaSmack sucks too. So crass and pathetic with its hip coolness toward degradation. I feel ashamed to be alive. It is so embarrassing. What other absurdities lie hidden elsewhere in the universe?
Deep ecology existentialism……give us a break. You must have trouble getting out of bed in the morning. What sort of nonsense have you been reading. Bibliography please!!!! Okay, there are some obnoxious extremes on this site, but it is a good forum.
Puleazzzzzzzzzzzzzze get off your nationalist high horses & put the blame squarely on the Jinshanling management company who marketed & made money booking this sleep over on the wall.
I’m an American who loves China & have been visiting here for close to 20 years, but I can’t believe some of these mindless comments about the “evil foreigners”. You guys are much smarter than this.
LOL. If you’ve been coming here 20 years you’d know the error in what you just said in paragraph 2.
Chinese are fucking up half of the world and now they’re getting pissed off cause some “foreigners” are campiomg on a brick wall in the middle of nowhere – get real you idiots!
I’m wandering if Chinese netizens are hypocrits or stupid?
A search for “Hiking Great Wall” on google returns almost one million links. The first ones are all Chinese travel agency proposing “Great Wall Hiking Tours”…
It is easy to complain about the degradation of the wall, but what action do you take? Remote sections of the wall are systematically torn apart for their bricks and instead of doing something to help protect the wall you just cry about how evil foreigners are. So why don’t you shutup..get off your computer and actually do something?
Just because you put two pictures together, doesn’t mean they are related. I can get a picture of “No Eating” from one location and combine it with a picture of a fat person eating a twinkie on his couch. Such subtle, twisted facts.
I think Chinese tend to be sanctimonious little assholes as a whole, but in this case I agree with the hypocrite bastards. I think this is wrong and fucked-up. Then again the foreigners probably signed up and paid for this experience with absolutely no idea that they would be doing anything “wrong”, so in the end the blame falls on selfish Chinese trash who organize and allow these “tours”, caring about their own profit above all else. Which pretty much sums up the reason for most of the country’s problems.
Some Chinese person replied that foreigners were having group sex on the wall. I wonder if this is true.
Yup, that’s right. I read the entire article and all I can think about is the group sex.
:)
Looking at the pictures, I am praying to Baby Jesus that this is not true.
LOL.. it pretty much a known fact that the general netizen population are either retarded, an asshole, or both. So I’m not that surprised about the comments above.
When I was in China, I saw people littering everywhere. No one treats public places with any respect. The same goes on how they treat people. To guest they can be the best host, but to strangers they don’t give a shit. If it was Chinese people sleeping there, the place would be a fucking mess. Even some of the more intelligent comments above stated that.
Well.. I guess it does help provide some poor migrants with work.. cleaning up other people’s trash.
And lastly… group sex on the wall? Sounds fun, I should bring some pretty local girls there next time. ^_-
Panda wrote, “When I was in China, I saw people littering everywhere. No one treats public places with any respect. The same goes on how they treat people. To guest they can be the best host, but to strangers they don’t give a shit.”
And I totally agree! Chinese people have NO RESPECT for public places or other people (unless money is somehow involved).
It’s a very rude and selfish culture.
we need the barbarians to come back on their horses and start attacking the walls again
low class back packers.. lack of respect and discipline..
maybe they should go back to where they come from..
Doesn’t really matter if the people camping on the Great Wall were foreigners or Chinese. The fact that most part of Chinese people didn’t adopt an evident environmental friendly behaviour yet in everyday life doesn’t justify people coming from abroad to forget about good habits they normally adopt in their coutry of origin. And the fact that the wall is huge doesn’t mean that people is actually allowed to ruin ‘just a little part of it’. It’s an historical site – with good and bad cultural implications, but still something that must be preserved for the generations to come. Local authorities and tour operators should be the first part interested in preserving such a unique monument that insure the country constant incomes and is actually able to give an occupation to hundreds of local people.
Run, Paola, run, before you are called an idiot.
Camping is fine if they pack up and leave the area clean. But I really doubt they would do that. Just look at those plastic bottles on the wall.
I am a foreigner living in China for the past 8 years.
Chinese let foreigners get away with more.
Everything’s is allowed in China if you have money
http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2009/08/14/128-camping/
There are so many issues to get in to on this one. I have been living in China for quite some time and am from Canada.
First of all, the people to blame for this is everyone. From the people taking the money to the foreigners and Chinese camping on the wall. If Chinese people don’t like that, then they need to take it up with their government to enforce the laws.
Ignorance lies in all countries and in everyone, lord knows China certainly has its own share.
And please use more professional journalism next time. ‘Foreigners’ only include the world population minus 1.3 billion people. Being so vague is just bad journalism, and try not to leave out the fact that Chinese also camp on the Great Wall. Try questioning the people you are taking pictures of.
Don’t hate, educate! And learn laws and culture before you go somewhere, damn it!
Chinese people is strange, in one hand they try to exploit all their heritages to grab moneys from foreign tourist and in other hand they just love to criticize foreigners if they do anything in their own way.
I believe these tourist will not leave any trash on the great wall, take better care than any other Chinese people.
So, WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL???
how could they do that?
It’s not about being foreign and literally getting away with murder, it’s about money or status, and the size of your wallet, if you have a car it means you can park and drive on the pavement, you can jump red lights and force cyclists of the road, if you have money you can demand the best seats in a restaurant, speak loudly and spit all your food on the floor for the workers to clean up later with complete disregard to others. Do the Chinese critisise the Chinese for camping up there, no, especially if they are rich, why, because it’s accepted, but if the bad laowai does, then all Chinese must critisise them for all the bad evil things they do, after all they are outsiders and know nothing about Chinese culture or history, “it’s just the way it is in China” using culture as a bad excuse for bad behavior.
Well, its not a good scene to have someone out foreigners in their boxer shorts and doing their morning routines.
I don’t think most foreigners or tourists would sleep on the Great Wall. Its only a few who are adventurous and the outdoor type who wants to experience the great outdoors on the wall itself. Maybe it will give another angle to appreciate China’s magnificent man-made engineering feat and actually generate more international interest about it.
More tourist dollars coming in should mean more money for maintenance if it wasn’t for opportunists.
Has this section of the wall not been rebuilt anyway? Hardly an original section of the wall!! Looks about as original as xintiandi in Shanghai…. If you have not been there you are not a real han, the second trip is for idiots. Let them have it…
http://www.desopilant.com/fzqqregerh878q5/toilettes.jpg
we understand better with this picture, then after 4 or 5 km you must face to this :
http://www.dinosoria.com/inventions/toilettes.jpg
Um, why is there “pissing and shiting” in the headline? It’s clearly a very tidy campsite. Oh well, Chinese love to shout at foreigners. They rip off all our culture and technology and act as if all we do is ruin things for them… sigh…
Typical Chinese reaction. Here are some foreigners, not breaking anything, not polluting, not making a mess, so let’s “beat” them for appreciating a cultural landscape. Wow, that makes a lot of sense.
Chinese are so xenophobic and even more hypocritical. Go to a natural wonder like Jiuzhaigou and you’ll see Chinese littering, pitching cigarette butts and making a cheesy carnival of it all over the place. They don’t know how to act in a dignified, respectful manner at all.
What’s more, in the old alley houses next to my house I walk back home and see people pissing on the street and even the walls of their own houses!
Well, I think these peole after climbing the Wall and actually spending the night there could possibly have felt the need to urinate at least when woke up, don’t you think so? Maybe someone walked few miles to reach the closest toilet, someone may have not. Doesn’t sound completely impossible to me as scenario.
That is not even the real Great Wall – it’s rebuilt. The Chinese destroyed their Great Wall so why do they care if foreigners camp on their fake wall?
I’m an American psychologist currently living in China and in truth after what I’ve seen around the world no one, except maybe Gandhi, or mother Teresa, can point the finger of blame without being a hypocrite… Chinese, American, Russian, German, French,and British alike…We’re all human and we all exploit our environment and the people around us.. It’s human nature to seek survival as comfortably as possible. Some employ self-control, while others don’t (but deep inside our genes we are all selfish when it comes to survival and motives). To point the finger at “laowai” is going overboard. I think in truth we all know that the people who “sold the tickets and sleeping bags” were the main culprits here..And even though the foreigners were guilty and probably knew better, the world today teaches us that: “It’s okay, cause everyone else is doing it.” Please.. Let’s get over our pride and egos just for a moment and for once see the world as it really is…
AMEN TO THAT!!!
God just like many things the media have put a twist on this by sticking “Foreign” infront of the “People Sleeping on the Great Wall”.
I presonally have not done it, but I’ve seen plenty of Chinese people sleeping on the Great Wall.
Last time I was at the Great Wall in April 2007, there were Chinese tourists urinating in the guard towers. All the guard towers close to the main entrance at Badaling reek like urine.
Maybe I foreigners shouldn’t be camping on the Great Wall, but Chinese tourists shouldn’t be urinating in the guard towers either.
Damn foreigners and damn locals. The Great Wall should be mine and mine alone. GET OFF MY WALL!!!
quite honestly, i think many of the people here are commenting from their own bias. If you haven’t noticed, China is the world’s largest 3rd world country. It’s understandable that the some Chinese people look for ways to make a profit and make money to live. There are also many Chinese people who are polite, respectful and not greedy. They’re going through an industrial revolution many western countries have already gone through. isn’t this just part of the process?
this article isn’t about racism, prejudice or stereotyping. but its amazing what a simple article can show about what people think.
and even though my comment may contain bias, i just don’t think that people should be generalizing a group of people based on this article. i dont think this article really proves whether or not chinese people are rude, dirty; nor does it prove that foreigners are rude and whatever negative comments have been going on about both.
Why the fuck would anyone want to stay overnight at the great wall? Its cold, there are rarely bathrooms around and underneath the wall are the dead bodies of the builders!
rules are rules and if you can’t keep it, you will get ass kicked!
speaking about tourist… you have tourists that are polite and follow the rules and you have shit tourists that are always try to profit things without paying and thinking “no problem because i will be once here”
Great wall is a historical monument, so you can not sleep,eat and shit. It is normal to get arrested or get a fine. So If i try this in Amsterdam City in front of the palace, the police will give me a fine of 50 euro’s. So should I be pissed that Dutch people discriminate me?
It’s about principles so, don’t post about racisme and that kind of nonsense. Those tourists are just doing for fun but should be punished by this unrespectful behavior.
This story is too much. By far my favorite. The headline and the story were designed to make foreigners look like animals but 90% of the comments are trash talking the dirty Chinese people and their lack of manners, hygeine, etc. I bet the author is sorry for posting such a stupid story because I think it kinda backfired.
Agree with Michael, but that how truth is revealed … by public discussion … bias or not it’s human nature to defend themselve when their pride’s being challenged. So chill out, camp on Great Wall or write Graffiti in La Louvre if you can, just be responsible to your own action.