As October 1st, the Chinese national holiday, draws close, patriotic (and anti-Japanese) sentiments are high. A netizen recently posted pictures of Japanese victims of the atomic bombings in Hiroshima and Nagasaki on the popular China Mop BBS under the title “Photos of Japanese Victims of the Atomic Bombings, You Might Not Cheer When You Finish!” While the photos themselves are nothing new, they prompted some heated comments from Chinese netizens.
There were 49 photos posted in total. To view them all, proceed to the second page. Here are a few:
[Note from Fauna: The last two pictures above are of a Japanese man with leprosy, not a victim of the atomic bomb. However, it was included in the photos of the original post. Thank you to our readers who informed us of this.]
Comments from Mop:
O可爱的格格巫【●～天生我精必有才】:
We can sympathize with these people. If you’re still human you’d sympathize. But the fathers, husbands, sons, and grandsons of the people in these photos invaded our land, killed our grandfathers, raped our grandmothers, beheaded the Chinese as entertainment. To this day their attitude is still indifferent, as though justified, glory for the Greater East Asia. After the war they are still hiding the facts and covering up the truth, denying any wrongdoing, twisting the facts and blaming others….
LZ, are we not Chinese?
You should go post this in America.
清净一下:
There’s a word, called karma.
超猪:
I suggest lz to go look at the photos documenting the Rape of Nanking, there are many on Mop!!! Don’t forget our country’s shame, that’s payback for them!!! Ding the brother upstairs!!
我非好人【猥琐·教徒】:
Looking at the photos! Excited! Energetic! Laughing hysterically! Comforted! ‘Little Japan’, there’s a time for you to cry too!
黑暗中飘落的梧桐叶:
All the people who posted above please remember that the Americans did this. ‘Little Japan’ bombed Pearl Harbor, and this is the consequence. They invaded more than half of China, and what have we done to give them a lesson? China is too benevolent, we didn’t take compensation, nor did we post a military base in Japan. We let them go with an apology. And the result?? Now Japan bows like a servant to America, but is full of swagger towards China. This just goes to show that, good deeds don’t carry rewards!! So I want to remind everybody, don’t be too good hearted! A defeated enemy should be beaten with even more force.
Just as an aside, these are all civilians, people with parents and children. The politics of the time and the commanders should be blamed. Civilians are innocent, everybody please regard them with neutrality!! Personally I think the bangzi are even more devilish than the Japanese, stealing China’s culture, that’s like digging China’s soul and roots!!!
人身自古谁无屎:
Fuck! Isn’t the Japanese Imperial Army comprised of the Japanese people? Being merciful to the enemy is being cruel to oneself! Of course I’m not cheering, because the Japanese haven’t paid nearly enough!!!
紫陌棉棉:
LZ you are fucking inhuman, why don’t you go look at the pictures of the Nape of Nanking?
摸摸你的大腿【猫扑服务公司★员工】:
Too satisfying! I really want this to happen again!
你ＸＸ狗ＸＸ【丐帮小叫花子】:
Payback!!!!!!!! MLGB They brought this upon themselves!!!!
冷雨夜不想归家【猥琐教徒】:
Can they count as innocent civilians? They pay taxes to support the army, the army invades China and massacres the Chinese people. How can they be innocent civilians? They too, have Chinese blood on their hands!
淫荡小书童:
Satisfying, I want this to happen every year.
喝月经的oоО卫生巾【武汉班子】:
China has too many of this kind of FQ on Mop…Not all Japanese are ‘devils’, there are also civilians in Japan, those who face up to history, and good people who helped Chinese victims in lawsuits. Trash like you just want to stir up controversy. If there were a rapist in your family that raped someone, and people claim everyone in your family was a rapist, what would you think? The Nanking Massacre wasn’t committed by every single Japanese person.
先猫后扑谁用了【猥·见习成员】:
Poor LZ should go look at photos of the Japanese experiments on live Chinese subjects. Besides, the atomic bomb was only one bomb that killed so many. But the Rape of Nanking? Every one was killed with knives and guns, where’s their humanity? Besides, Americans have the guts to admit that they bombed Japan, but did the Japanese admit their massacre? They even want to deny invading China. Somebody above me said not every Japanese twists history, he’s right. But if their government doesn’t own up to the history, and only a few people do, where’s the use in that? After all, the government, not a few citizens, is what represents a country.
下流而不风流:
Don’t disgust us by posting pictures, the Japanese and bangzi shouldn’t exist in this world.
永逺的神話:
Destroy Japan? Then there would be no more AV.
沉睡の美洲豹:
A bunch of FQ, the real victims of war are always the people. We can’t be hot tempered and ignorant. Blind hate can only represent ignorance.
秋石居士:
What does this have to do with us? Americans did this.
比楼下聪明:
The people are always victims.
susan218:
If you think this is great, then from now on you don’t have the right to say that the ‘Japanese devils’ were ruthless, because you’re just like them. Bombing the Yasukuni Shrine, I have no objections. Hurting innocent civilians, and you have the same genes as the ‘Japanese devils’.
All 49 images from the Mop post on the second page.
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first!
the chinese people is a people full of hate and stupidity. it will always keep them down.
hypocrite, you americans talk shit about other countries too, so stfu
Given the poor grammar of 12meeeeeee’s comment I doubt they are American.
Actually, on second thought, perhaps that means they ARE American.
I don’t know any Americans who would look at a photo of mutilated bodies of civilians in Iraq and say “oooh that’s so satisfying”. Do you?
Last time I checked…U.S and the coalition of willing invaded Iraq. Not the other way around.
What you say would make sense if Iraqis invaded the U.S…
Sure we do, the soldiers at Abu Ghraib, the folks who lynched the census taker and carved FED into his chest, along with almost every American who posts at Liveleak.com. At that’s just the tip of the iceberg. Rick, I understand that the Chinese can be callous and vicious, especially towards the Japanese but comparing the Japanese invasion of China to the American invasion of Iraq and their reactions doesn’t work. I mean, if you’re out to demonize the Chinese and place Americans on a pedestal then that’s one thing but objectivity speaking, you gotta know that we can be just as vicious if not more so, toward people who we invaded in the first place.
I’m demonizing anyone who lacks the humanity to see the brutality no matter what the situation in how humans treat eachother, and anyone who takes “satisfaction” or yells how proud they are when they see something as horrifyingly disgusting as what you see above.
Get off yer fucking horses.
You said you don’t know any Americans who would look at mutilated bodies of civilians in Iraq and say “oooh that’s so satisfying”. Do you? I just answered your question. if my answers frighten you then you should cease asking scary questions. Get off your fuckin horse.
talking shit accept he truth u ppl have hatrate in ur heart over other
I just love people like you who just reflexively leap to the moral high-ground. Nobody was beheaded at Abu Ghraib etc. Also, these incidents were the work of ‘bad eggs’ Seriously, thier actions were uncovered by their own countrymen and punished justly by their own government. And don’t say stuff like “that’s just the tip of the iceberg” We know about Nanjing, we know about Hiroshima, but we don’t know about your “iceburg”, it may not exist, k?
fuck you your a fucking hypocrite i hate you go die!
“the chinese people is a people full of hate and stupidity. it will always keep them down.”
who said this must be very stupid and full of hate.
I pity you.
well at least the fucked another country ^^ not like china during the cultural revolution, when you chinks fucked your best genepool, by killing everybody knowledgeable and smart.. now you are decendants of dumb peons and rural nimwits. it can be felt when you are in chinese cities.. no one has half a brain.
absolutely satisfying comment
and you are there because? get fucked by half-brained chinese coz you cant compete with half-brained chinese in your own country? why don’t you post your picture here and walk on a chinese street again? it would be nice to see if you a-hole is elastic enough to fit bangzi LOL
I’ve seen your people drive, he’d be fine to walk down a street since he’d become naturalized to dodging reckless drivers.
first, thiss is retard comment anyway
first!
the {chinese | japanese | korean | american | british | french | …} people is a people full of hate and stupidity. it will always keep them down.
YAHOO!!! game over, man! game. over.
We own up for it, but no need to apologize, it was not unprovoked, it was the only way to get it through to the Japanese leadership who would have had civillians all the way to Tokyo line up to face US Tanks with sticks and die rather than admit defeat.
Over the top, but sums it up:
http://comedians.comedycentral.com/carlos-mencia/videos/carlos-mencia—middle-eastern-guy
No, it wasn’t. Japanese already sent proposition for capitulation. USA need to throw a bomb to show their muscles to USSR.
krdr, can you cite a source? This would be a major break through for historians, congratulations on coming up with definitive proof on what I previously thought was just revisionist babble!
In lieu of proof, I would suggest you read a balanced report, there was no evidence that there was (and none found to this day) of a viable proposition, a vaguely worded message from the emperor doesn’t count, especially considering the power of the Japanese military hardliners of the time:
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/118650185/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0
I couldn’t open your link.
As I understand, Japanese had proposals with 4 conditions and approached to USSR to mediate for peace agreement. Japan capitulate when USSR entered in war against Japan. I don’t want to say that USSR is only reason why they capitulate. There’s a story about captured US pilot that told that US had 100 bombs ready to throw over Tokyo and Kyoto.
In Eastern Bloc, it bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was always regarded as first action of Cold War.
So, by trying to be short, I exaggerated things.
And yes, you still need to apologize.
Instead of scanning and posting a Cyrillic text, here some link that you would find interesting: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4724793.stm
also, you can open it.
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/truman.html
http://www.doug-long.com/stimson7.htm
https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/kent-csi/vol9no3/pdf/v09i3a06p.pdf
krdr is correct. The Japanese did at least develop a proposal to cease hostilities to avoid invasion and would punish their own war criminals. I believe it was communicated to the Russians whom invaded a week or so later.
Of course, they should have known that it would be unacceptable but the right wing in turn couldn’t posit any other solution which is why it eventually came down to Hirohito and his foreign minister to end it. They were able to get the US in implicitly protect the institution of the emperor. Three days of intrigue and rebellion before the surrender, it was incredibly dramatic. A lot of good books on the subject.
But to the point, anyone who can find joy in someone else suffering is dangerous to everybody.
Hey if it wasnt for the americans china would be speaking jap,
No, regarding the Chinese history, Japanese would speak Chinese :D
Well, China has absorbed their conquerors before, but those were conquerors with very little tradition of scholarship in their culture, nor did they have the state mechanism that Japan had.
Twas why Sun Yat Sen could speak Japanese.
He spoke Japanese as he lived there for 10 years. Also, he was fluent in English as he lived in Hawaii from year 13
Nope….when Japan installed the former emperor as the puppet emperor of Manchuria, the official language at the time in Manchuria became Japanese and the official religion Shinto.
It is funny how you don’t recognize sarcasm.
Anyway, Manchu was official language of Qing dynasty. Just declaring new language on occupied territories doesn’t means that in next 50 years everybody will speak that language.
The point now isn’t to paint America into an evil empire, it’s so people acknowledge mistakes of the past lest future generations go to war or kill civilians under equally dubious pretenses.
The United States is just like any other nation that has had its share of great ingenuity and kindness, as well as conquest and mistakes. But somehow its leaders always insist on being the moral leader of the world on top of being the military and economic ones and to this end sugar coats many of its actions. Most nations of world make decisions based on realpolitik and not ideologies, just own up to it.
“Operation Iraqi Freedom” captures this phenomenon pretty well I think.
So you would just let Iraq go on the way that it was then? If this world had no countries like the US that are willing to send our own sons in harm’s way for the sake of freeing the repressed people of a totalitarian regime, this world would be a much different place.
I was not condoning Saddam’s dictatorial regime in my last post, only my opinion on the popular characterization of U.S. invasion.
Nor am I saying that the averaged American soldiers are evil killers bent on destroying Iraq, but they (much as the rest of us) were mislead about the reasons for going into Iraq. People were led to believe that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction that represented a grave danger to its neighbors and world. When it was discovered this is not true, (whether by deceit or incompetence I won’t go into) that’s when the mission changed to “liberating Iraqis from repressive regime”.
Iraq, after liberation:
Sectarian violence is on going, and may have led to genocides. Al-Qaeda, who were largely kept out by Hussein have moved in. Most places don’t have electricity consistently, clean water is hard to come by.
near 100% of Children were in school before 2003, compared to 30% in 2006, 14% have post-traumatic stress disorder. As of December 2007, 5 million children were orphaned as a result of the war.
1.8 million Iraqis displaced in the country, 1.6 million have left in 2006, including 40% of all professionals, 1/2 of all doctors.
In 2006, Lancet survey of Iraqi excess death due to invasion and insurgent violence that followed is ~655,000. In 2008, British ORB survey puts this number around 1 million.
All this for the election of a new government. However authority of the new government doesn’t extend very far outside of Baghdad, as the country is essentially disintegrated due to collapse of infrastructure and lack of security. Total Iraqi who have left now have exceeded the number of Palestinians who left because of creation of Israel, potentially destabilizing to the region in the long term. In June this year, when U.S. troops pulled out of Baghdad, locals celebrated with fireworks.
So if I was an Iraqi living Iraq, in all likelihood I would prefer to go back to the way it was then.
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Most of these facts and numbers I pulled from various Wikipedia articles, make of it what you will.
you’re so bloody naive. i suppose you think iraq had weapons of mass destruction too? what do you think the stink about halliburton was about? and in iraq who is to blame for the loss of women’s rights and for the current anarchy? under saddam at least there was a balance.
you think americans fight for freedom and human rights? how do you explain how america’s friendship with the saudis? why do you think once upon a time they armed the taliban in afghanistan to fight the russians? why do you think so many of the south american nations hate americans?
cha bu duo – seems bloody far off to me.
“At least there was balance”
Are you actually going to use this as a defense for the reason why we shouldn’t have intervened in Iraq? When an entire country had suffered decades of agonizing, demoralizing, servitude under a fascist dictator like Saddam and then one day his regime is ousted will the following years be nice and smooth? These things take a lot of time people. The process of rebuilding Iraq after the invasion post-occupation has had a great deal of huge problems and total fuck-ups. I’m not denying this. But are you out there really so selfish and cowardly to claim that intervention in Iraq is something the US or any country for that matter should have no hand in? That the future for empowering people to take control of their own government is something that can only come from within? This is clearly dangerous thinking on your part.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUukjX-Nee0
It would be a different place. But not necessarily the kind of place you’d expect.
Most democracies that stand the test of time are ones that are built on the initiative of their own peoples. The imposed democracies in Germany and Japan are rare exceptions, but in Japan it took decades to decouple the authoritarian and inward-looking politics that was the result of clinging to the non-democratic past within an imposed democracy.
Lol china cant do anything
LoL @ 永逺的神話:
Pragmatism trumps jingoism.
All I can say is WOW!!!!!
How long are you people gonna be riding this?
PLEASE!!! just get over it already.
well they are still riding that fact that they created paper, gun powder, compass, and the printing press. So your guess is as good as mine.
4 inventions in ‘5000 years of history’, great going China. I expect the world’s population will be dumbstruck with awe when they get round to coming up with the next one in 3250AD.
When the fuck is it going to be 5,001 years of history?
Most American, Germans, Japanese and such of today weren’t even alive when all this went down. I don’t understand how people can hold a grudge against a new generation of people and a new government. Hate their ancestors if you want (I love games where I can shoot Nazis) but shut up about things that didn’t even happen in your lifetime. Learn a lesson from it but don’t expect them to kiss your ass and beg for forgiveness for something the people alive today didn’t even do.
If people want to have a big (I’m sorry-fest) I think we should demand an apology from China for helping create North Korea. If they hadn’t attacked UN/American troops then that horrible place would never have existed. At least this continues to be a pain in the ass today.
Victim hating the predator, it;s normal. One thing I didn’t understand thou : it happen on the last generation, shouldn;t this generation learn how to let go? If they keep clinging on the same old shit, it will be hard for them to advance. Oh course I do not mean their technology, but they mentality
You have to be more than a simpleminded child to do that. I agree with your sentiment though.
What does PRC have to do with this?
USA threw the bomb, not ROC, not PRC. who told Japan to fite the USA?
Wasn’t the benevolence the supreme attribute of people in Confucianism?
Throwing atomic bomb crime act against civil. They were ordinary people, not soldiers. Each crime is done by criminal not by people. Crime is individual, not collective.
lol I saw this on an american forum and basically many thought it was justified to save allied lives. And refuting that it was unnecessary because of japan’s already de facto defeat.
War sucks.
People don’t make sense sometimes. Hate is just hate.
Plenty of people to this day still strongly support bombing Japan. Despite all the deaths they believe it was the right thing to do. In the end it depends on your perspective, at the time millions were dying and they felt justified in killing millions to stop millions more from being killed, however, in retrospect the horror of a nuclear bomb is hard to justify.
Not considering what the rest of the fighting had got too, like flaming villages with napalm for the US and impaling and more for Japan
Well, war does not means that the civilians of the country agree to the warfare. Most civilians hated war, and the one who started the war is not the civilian, but rather the small collective of people who have the power over the civilians.
And people tend to generalise, such a murderer who is a chinese, after word of mouth, become generally all chinese are murderer. My two cent
yep, us soldiers are gonna knock door to door and ask “are you for the war if yes, we will mark you house to bomb” .
As chinese it is super sad to see today what is the people’s reaction, in many years PRC did awfully brainwashing and hatred jobs. in case one day they can easy to use these motion towards other countries….
for god sake there are the victims of our human history and Japanese Imperial government….
no one deserve anything happened like this…
wake up!!! who knows in the future we may become the victims of PRC government….
PRC is not the only place where Chinese hate Japanese WW2 war crimes, people in HK and Macao share similar resentment.
Chinese hatred toward japanese are usually not the product of brainwashing.
Not talking about 6/4th event <— thats brainwashing.
Even in a democratic China, I bet you there will still be many anti-japanese resentment.
I agree, the government doesn’t make any difference. It’s not going to stop until they stop teaching hatred to children in school. After having witnessed the teaching of the holocaust in a high school of Jewish students, it’s clear to me that there are ways to teach about monumentally tragic historical events without teaching hate. Yes, it sucks that the Japanese are being pricks about not owning up to certain facts, and the Yokozuna (hehe, intentional sp error, can’t remember to to spell it) Shrine visits; but I still think it’s just unacceptable to teach hatred to children.
Yokozuna is the most efficient foreign policy tool ever created. Got a dispute over a couple of rocks at sea? China has to spend 10 million on moving a carrier group into the area. Japan? The Prime Minster has simply gets into a limo, drives to the shrine and puts a wreath on a grave. China’s down 10 million but Japan only 50 bucks. I can’t believe that China and Korea fall for it every time.
They are not teaching hatred to children. I went to school in China, and how was a 10 year kid suppose to react to something so horrible to his country? please.
I think the education comes through the media. Ever turn on the TV? A lot of the soap opera’s are still about Chinese vs. Japanese. Not to mention, they are still releasing movies like Nanjing Nanjing, which keep everybody infuriated. It’s a way to keep a sense of nationalism; pointing the finger at the other guy.
haha, I think its Yakusuni shrine, but i could be wrong too. That shrine commemorates more than just those Japanese soldiers who died in ww2. It stands tribute to all of the soldiers who died before hand as well, beginning at the Meiji restoration, I believe.
But that’s besides the point, I whole heartedly agree with your comment.
Let me just clarify something – the teaching of hate is not the same as brainwashing, in my opinion. Brainwashing would be continued teaching of the same simple facts over and over again; my impression of what goes on (and I admittedly have never been present in a lesson) is that somewhere in the high school years (or junior high school years) students are taught about the Rape of Nanking, the occupation, etc. but never taught about how to deal with it all. They’re taught that those people were evil (which they were) but they don’t seem to be taught that those people are not the same people alive and living their lives in Japan today. That’s the difference between what I saw in the Jewish school, and what I’ve learned about what happens in Chinese school through conversations with lots of different students over the years. That simple little difference leads to misunderstanding and hate very easily, and the teachers should bear direct responsibility for that.
the result is very clearly, wrong education system is the main response for the Chinese action. so for your opinion PRC do did an ok job on this????
i still didnt get what you want to prove: Chinese hate Japanese because we were born like this??? what is your point…..
sorry the common up is to Ming
Man, this looks just like the “man beating up woman in public” board. “(They) deserved it,” “bitch/japs got it coming,”: I suppose if you think this way, a rational argument won’t sway you.
Look, forgiveness is not a weakness. Few people do it because its tough to do, as virtues are. I know someone who hated his wife and could not “ever” forgive her; I mused to him that perhaps he could never forgive her because he enjoyed the power of being the victim and having this debt of apology over his wife. In the end, they divorced.
Forgiveness is not forgetting. Forgiveness is accepting that what you can’t change; it’s saying the best/only way to all problems is love. If you still don’t understand forgiveness, go see your local clergyman/new age bookshop/filthy hippie, I’m no expert.
There is no pride in being the victim, or any pride in looking down on others; this is both playing for sympathy and being arrogent.
China is a strong country with many recent achievements (and old ones); China, be proud of that. Stand tall; don’t swat in the dirt, poking at ants to feel like a giant.
“Stand tall; don’t swat in the dirt, poking at ants to feel like a giant.”
I mean squat. Damn, I just had to ruin a cool inspirational ending with bad spelling. There goes all my converts!
Fortuitous mistake. The imagery works just as well, if not better.
If only all my mistakes could be so fortuitous.
Anyways, peace and love everybody: if China’s National Day miltary parade doesn’t expound that ideal, nothing will.
If wuxia dramas have taught me anything… forgiveness is more of a western/Christian/Abrahamic virtue. Honouring your ancestors by getting revenge for them is the Confucian way. I think this really explains a lot.
It does not matter where the concept comes from? I agree for peace and growth to gain we must learn to forgive. Look at Israel and their muslim neighbors. The people there are driven by hatred and revenge killing each other for many centuries in the name of hate and revenge. Do you want something like that to happen to our country?
Just to echo Chen’s sentiment, most the Japanese civilians didn’t hurt anyone, but coerced along to obey the rules of the hawkish imperial military.
There is really not much to say to people who, while looking at these pictures – tragedies of war staring right in their face – and spew hateful rhetoric. Nothing anyone says is likely to change their minds.
The Japanese civilians were just as bad as soldiers when american pilots were shot down over there homeland, there were only a handfull of american pilots to come out of japan alive if any. The japs got what was coming to them. too bad we didnt drop a few more on thier stubborn ass’s
You firebomb a civilian population you can’t expect fair treatment logically no matter what the rules of war said. It’s barbaric, but then again so is war.
Typical miopic brainwashed responses. This is exactly how the Japanese government got the people to support their military regime. Lies and nationalism.
The posters are 90% assholes.
typical dumbass brainwashed into thinking others are brainwashed to think this way… or a 10 year old.
maybe this idiot should learn something called culture and sociology.
> Typical miopic brainwashed responses. This is exactly how the Japanese government got the people to support their military regime. Lies and nationalism.
Sadly, that technique can work in any country :-(
3 remarks:
1) there was a war between Japan and US at that time and any weapon that could help one part to prevail against the other was in my view morally legitimate. Don’t forget that the atomic bomb was actually “invented” during the last months of the war itself and nobody exactly knew the effects of dropping one of these gadgets on a populated city. And if you talk about figures, 100,000 civilians already died in march 1945 as a result of incendiary bombing over Tokyo.
2) the chinese netizens should first thank the Americans for having defeated Japan. Without their help their Mao’s troops with their small guns would have been crushed easily by the imperial army and most of China today would still be a japanese colony.
3) finally, after so many years we are still talking about WW2 like it happened yesterday (honestly I never heard a polish showing such an anger toward germans for example). The atrocity during the cultural revolution are not in my opinion worse and it looks that this period of time simply disappeared from history books. How so?
the history will be never forgot, it is the only time matter, the truth of the culture revolution is never gonna be changed….. it will be the knife always inside PRC the heart….
Polish doesn’t shows anger toward Germany, but now they shows anger toward Russia, because they occupied parts of Poland on beginning of WWII. To be worse, when Germany occupied parts of Czechoslovakia, Poland occupied parts of CZ, too.
Hate toward other nation is politically inducted and maintained to people.
I basically agree with 3), this is a terrible period that destroyed the lives of a generation of people and as well as much of tradition Chinese art and culture that is only now starting to recover.
Somewhat ambivalent about 2), America and China had a common interest in defeating Japan but I’m leaning towards agreement.
As for 1)
There are not moral quandaries about military weapons themselves but rather their use on civilian population. After testing in New Mexico, they had a pretty good idea. 100,000 dead civilians prior to dropping the atomic bomb is immoral and doesn’t make the nuclear bomb any less so. There are still controversy surrounding the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Most arguments for use of bomb involves saving lives in invasion and refusal of Japanese leaders to surrender. U.S. could have had other ways to demonstrate the effects of the bomb without targeting civilians. Japan as an island nation on the Pacific’s ring of fire has deep seated traditional fears of earthquakes and tsunamis that might ’sink’ the nation. A few choice spots in the ocean would accomplish the much same psychological terror desired by the U.S.
I know a lot people in the U.S. who believe as you do and there is no shortage of literature by informed people on both sides of the issue, but I think among historians most are not your side. (I could of course, be talking out of my ass on this particular point.)
Take it a step further. What troops did Mao have? The entire war was basically KMT. Mao just sat back and built up.
Oh yeah, having your millions of troops hagning out at chongqing while your wife and buddies embezzel gov’t money is totally fighting the war.
Like sitting around in a village fucking little girls is? Yeah, a pedophile for a leader. Really inspirational, bro. Who the fuck did you think fought the battle at Shanghai? The Russians?
To DUKE FLEED:
did you realize you always make retard comment.
1.who told you they didn’t know the effect of dropping a atomic bomb in populated city. US spent billions dollor in developing this new weapon and they don’t know the power of atomic weapon? How many years did you study in school? Maybe two years in primary school.
2.Chinese don’t need to thank the American for having defeated Japan. USA defeated Japan, Japan surrended to USA not china. After USA dropped two atomic bomb Japanese best troop still focus in northeast 3 province.
Then communists asked Soviet Union for help. Soviet Union pushed communist to declare outer Mongonia is a independent country. China did it. Then our big brother swept Japanese out.
3.How could you compare Germany and Japan. Chinese and Polish. German premier knelt down after WW2. Japan changed the text book totally denied they once invaded China. German make movie to confess the sin they had commited during the WW2. Japanese worship Yasukuni shrine。German compensated 2/3 of their GDP. what did Japan do to china. The WW2 criminal was elected for premier. Still so many Japanese WW2 criminal don’t feel guity after WW2.
Stop commenting in chinasmack. Your retard comment hurt everyone’s eyes in Chinasmack. Maybe you’d better go back to school. Oh yes. Maybe you are moron. Can’t study well.
He doesnt have to realize that. The rest of us has to.
His was a well written and thought out response, yours drips with unintelligent seething hatred and bias. I’m Chinese but playing the victim is only hurting ourselves, get over it and grow stronger from it.
I didn’t mean its good to be happy in playing the victim. just try to let duke fleed know he is stupid
most of foreigners in chinasmack know a little about china. maybe they only read one book about cultural revolution. they comment like they are experts
you’d be surprised, son. Most foreigners commenting on Chinasmack have spent a considerable amount of time in the mainland or taiwan. How many mainlanders can claim they’ve lived a long time in North America and understand both cultures pretty well?
to chabuduoxiansheng.
you are another retard moron.
1.spending a lot of time in mainland doesn’t mean you know a lot about china.
2.why do we need to claim we have live in north America for a long time. does china smack talk about north america?
you know a little crappy chinese !!!
Jack,
You’re right, living a long time in the mainland doesn’t mean you know a lot about the country. It’s you that made that inference, not me. However, the vast majority of foreigners that live in the Chinese speaking world a long time do end up learning the language and understanding the culture somewhat. Just as Chinese do in western countries, but maybe a little different. Different in the sense that Western education allows us to be much more open to new ideas and cultural practices whereas traditional Chinese culture inherently places China as the pinnacle of the whole world and the language as the best thing since Aunt Jemima’s buttermilk pancakes. In short, westerners do surprising come away with a pretty good ability to compare and contrast the two great civilizations. Please don’t be so quick to label us a bunch of dimwits. Besides, the history of China we read about in the West is much more accurate than most things you’ll find in the mainland. That you can bet your ass on.
Jack Butcher,
I think you confuse the words “knowing and understanding China” with absorbing your government’s propaganda and official versions of the facts. Guys like me working as professionals in China for over 5 years, travelling around different cities, meeting more important people that you would do in your whole life, don’t have any clue about China? You first have to learn how to think of the box
to duke fleed:
how funny you work as professionals. i guess you couldn’t find a job from your country and come to china teach kindergarden. you trash don’t discriminate others. remember you are discriminated entire of your life.
when people try to compare horror think like Hiroshima with Nanking in order to look better than other, this is pathetic, because horror still horror, nobody in Europe call german people like a devil, because we don’t want to live this again.
But I’m not worry with chinese, they can do it alone, Mao let die 38 millions of his people between 59-62, more than Hitler or Japanese war, and he’s considerated today like a great guy.
One of the reasons I don’t like America is because they only nuked Japan twice, they didn’t have the guts to totally destroy the country like what happened to Germany. Something like 7 million Germans died but they killed less than half as many Japs, they never felt completely defeated and that is why they dare to lie about the past, that is why they still think they’re better than everyone, that is why they still need to be punished.
Jeeze bro, aren’t you over doing it? lol
I mean, lol, you know?
That’s like saying, when you start a fight, you should always fight until the death?
I always looked at life like…. If I get into a fight, I’ll pick the guy up after he’s been demolished and make friends with him.
Although… that might not be the best thing to do…. (backstabbers are still around)
[blockquote]they never felt completely defeated[/blockquote]I never understood why they didn’t do anything against the emperor.
They did communicate to Mac Arthur that they would surrender unconditionally and long as the US upheld the institution of the emperor. Somehow the army command acknowledged this condition for unconditional surrender. I can’t remember the details but they’re probably easy to find.
There’s evidence that Hirohito expected to be arrested and tried. But Big Mac was then fighting the communists and didn’t want to shake up society so much that it jeopardized the occupation. So, as I understand it punishing Hirohito went against US regional interests.
“As chinese it is super sad to see today what is the people’s reaction, in many years PRC did awfully brainwashing and hatred jobs. in case one day they can easy to use these motion towards other countries….
for god sake there are the victims of our human history and Japanese Imperial government….
no one deserve anything happened like this…
wake up!!! who knows in the future we may become the victims of PRC government…. ”
Right on! 共匪禍國！
Nobody is responsible for his ancestors acts, otherwise every single people on earth would be to blame for horrible things. To bad only 1% of chinese people can understand that.
Manusan…. you stealth the words from my mind! :D
China people are very strange, they hate Jap for the Rape of Nanking but love Mao and his indiscriminate slaughter.
I’m Italian, I live in Europe, my job force me to travel a lot, but no one I have encountered blame me for the shitty things made from Mussolini. We have undertood that pace is better tha hate.
en you right, do you think you guys are luck, have such “nice leader” at the moment, by the way there are the majority voted…..
please remember chinese ppl in mainland were taught ever since preschool “fabricated chinese history”. To them, Mao is like a superman, and there are no such thing as ppl dying in cultural revolution and such. Strange? That’s what you get if you don’t have a proper education ever since you are 3.
LOL…is that the propoganda narrative they are feeding you these days?
Its suppose to be satirical, but u got to admit there r a good number of retards that actually believe it (prob not the majority, but a good number).
i studied bout WWII during high school, with an emphasis on china. the amount of civilian chinese killed was even more that that of all the jews during the holocaust. i remember the chinese dead figure being a couple times more than the jew count too.
and guess what, in western countries they never taught that shit in the schools…of all the war atrocities and civilians massacred by the japs. so if yall whites can demonize the nazis (from the propaganda of ur school history classes + hollywood), and even today’s generation of jews still can have prejudice towards germans (an accepted fact by a lot of non-jew whites), what the fuck is wrong with chinese still having probably an even stronger prejudice towards japs? like pusan playa noted, them japs just werent taught a real lesson (usa had their own economic plans for japan this is true if u look at how much they benefited from each other and how japan has risen to be a world leader). japs dont admit shit and arent even teaching their youth of their mistakes, then they just still walking around like their shit dont stink. a country should take responsibility for their ancestor’s actions by making it their mission to right the wrong…speak clearly of past war atrocities so at least there can be a kind of humility, not an arrogant bunch that be on some we the super asian race we invented playstation type bullshit. what happened when the mylai massacre story broke on people magazine during the vietnam war? see the parallels to jap society and how they just suppressing shit? dont forget the massacres and comfort houses (forced prostitution) the japs were committing all over asia…china, korea, philipines. u may not agree with the strong prejudice views of japs shared by chinese, koreans, philipinos, etc, but just cuz ur white doesnt mean ur right…
throughout the history of china, china never really invaded any country or started no real shit (war). in mainland china, chinese always just been fighting chinese. the hatred towards japs is just something all mainland chinese can agree with each other to hate on a shared enemy, instead of bickering with each other.
And if we’re not white? Can we be heard then?
Wow thanks for assuming that we’re all of caucasian ethnicity in the west. Apparently I’m so white I can’t even tell I’m white.
“Throughout the history of china, china never really invaded any country or started no real shit (war). in mainland china, chinese always just been fighting chinese.”
Excuse me? Are you being serious? What do you call the 1979 invasion of Vietnam, East Turkestan, Tibet, Inner Mongolia, Korea, Taiwan, the list goes on and on.
China is nothing but a modern day Roman empire. The momentous invasion of foreign lands that started in the Han dynasty has yet to cease.
are you retarded? vietnam? that was a border clash after with vietnam due to soviet tensions and after vietnam invaded cambodia. east turkestan? its called xinjiang and after the fall of qing dynasty some locals tried to declare indepedence which lasted less than a year – late 1933 to early 1934(compared to centuries of control under qing and other dynasties). tibet has always been part of china. mongolia (both inner and outer) has always been part of china’s territory. only the soviet’s politicking forced the seperation of outer mongolia. korea? what the hell??? taiwan… yeah whatever.
you need to read a few more books. you’re remarkably ignorant.
You sure are quick on the defensive.
The clash with Vietnam was much more than a border clash as the Red Army advanced quite a distance over the border and suffered heavy losses. This being because of soviet tensions? By this time, Mao had long before cut ties with the neighbors to the North. This clash had to do with the Party losing face as Vietnam flagrantly went against what the party wanted by invaded Cambodia.
The region at one time known as East Turkestan comprised of a predominant ethnic people of Turkish origins has in the course of Chinese history been only occupied three times. The first time being in the Han dynasty. Centuries of control by the Qing? I hope you’re kidding. Having a few far-flung outposts in desert wastelands is by no means a sign of total occupation.
Mongolia, both inner and outer, has always been China’s territory? I’d love to know what the Mongolians think of this sentiment.
Tibet has always been a part of China? HAHAHA. Now, here you’ve gone to far. I’m not calling for Tibetan independence here, because I know it’s something that won’t happen and most Tibetans don’t want it anyway. But the former kingdom of Tibet had once been a very powerful force in the region. Qing expansion does not suffice as a reason to call Tibet a legitimate part of the middle kingdom.
Korea has always been fucked with by outside forces such as the Japanese. But the Chinese definitely take the cake here with the centuries of meddling in the affairs of Korea, not to mention their intervention during the Korean Conflict. What a waste of millions of Chinese lives by the way.
Taiwan is a separate issue.
I need to read a few more books? I agree. I believe we all need to read more and speak less frequently. However, you perhaps should read less books espousing proper Communist though and a little more non-biased historical texts.
right… and what wise and great government was east turkestan (when did the term even arise?) under before the chinese came along and tore up their culture and enslaved their people? desert outposts? ever heard of the silk road? the one marco polo travelled along and described in his accounts of china?? as for the mongolians, they, like the machus, were both assimulated into the greater china after they conquered the previous dynasties. tibet was once a powerful kingdom but conquered by the mongols and later pacified under the qing dynasty. so yes, i consider more than 200 years of control and over 1000 years of intertwined history as justification for sovereignty over the region.
by your logic, any region should be able to declare independence because of: a) civil war; and b) racial differences. in that case the usa would have been split into thousands of pieces – in the past, present and future. each one of her ghettos and each of her little pockets of prejudices could qualify as another independent country.
sure china meddled in korea’s affairs. korea was once a vassal state and until the 20th century, even used chinese written script. but at least china always dealt humanely and fairly with korea (unlike the japanese). as for china’s clash with vietnam… well all i can say is that it ended quickly and cheaply. how did the americans fare in the korean and vietnam wars?
i don’t read chinese propoganda. it’s too rare to find. but wikipedia and google is accessible to all. try it.
I don’t understand at all how the Koreans entered into the discussion. “stealing China’s culture”?? Weird.
The universe is a very violent place. From exploding stars to exploding cars. Humans are no different in nature. War is as natural as making a baby. Do we need war? Must we kill to live? Must suffering continue into tomorrow? The answer is yes. When the lion stops killing, so will we. Progress is a comfortable disease. And revenge grows with time.. Sad? Welcome to the world. Imagine alien suffering.
The Chinese are just jealous, we got to nuke japan and they didn’t. They shouldn’t be jealous and as an American I should be ashamed at what we did…but you know what they say…all is fair in love and war.
im surprised that few or none of these comments give any thought to the nature of dropping an atomic bomb on innocent civilians, or that america did this. or maybe i’m not surprised, as we are talking about japan afterall. either way, its sad, both what happened, and the responses.
Anyone Chinese could actually derive satisfaction from these photos or this act deserves to have been apart of the victims of the Rape of Nanking. No one deserves to suffer like this, Japanese, Chinese, Russian, American, I don’t give a fuck where they come from. Seriously, fucking FQs.
Noone deserves shit. You deserve life, good for you. Someone takes a 9mm and shoves lead up your ass, you dead. You deserve life, good but you dead. lol
How is your comment: “Anyone Chinese could actually derive satisfaction from these photos or this act deserves to have been apart of the victims of the Rape of Nanking.” Any different than the Chinese commenters who excuse the Japanese suffering because of war atrocities?
You’ve got a pretty serious case of cognitive dissonance.
Where does it infer I would be satisfied? Its just balance.
yeah, umm… Alikese is right. you contradicted yourself pretty obviously: ‘these heartless people deserve this fate’ and then, ‘nobody deserves this fate’.
oh well, at least your ‘nobody deserves this fate’ comment was correct…
“After all, the government, not a few citizens, is what represents a country.”
Also I want to quickly point out this post. Seriously, someone needs to teach this kid what “slippery slope” is. His argument is the same one that justifies that the country of China is “evil.”
i’m american…does that automatically qualify me as an evil person?
Yes, go back to Europe and let the Natives have their land.
No, but that’s qualifies you as person that shares same view as his government. Without wide scope. I didn’t said that you’re shortsighted.
Whoever is satisfied with watching pictures of human victims is probably cruel enough to take part in atrocities if he was a soldier in the army. Anyway, I don’t think these comments represent actual public opinions in China. The majority of people are smart, kind and peaceful, but the fools are always louder.
I think you’re being very charitable. Yes, we all know that the most obnoxious people are always loudest. But if you compare the comments left on major Chinese forums and news sites with those left on other sites, the difference is HUGE. Let’s say, for instance, that, I don’t know, a 9/11 conspiracy documentary is produced in, let’s say, France, and the filmmaker gets a fair amount of attention. A week later, an earthquake in France kills 200 people. How many people do you think you will see celebrating on mainstream US websites? Maybe a few, but I’m pretty sure they’d get slammed for it, and it wouldn’t be the majority/significant minority opinion. Now go see what happens on Chinese sites in a similar situation. ChinaSmack does pick sensationalistic topics, but I don’t think that the site particularly cherry-picks ugly comments. I fight not to became a full-fledged anti-Chinese racist every day, thanks to the Chinese internet. I mean, I can only continue to give the benefit of the doubt for so long in the face of such a constant torrent of vicious, ugly sentiments.
If that wasn’t clear- I’m saying I don’t think Chinasmack cherry-picks because I do my own reading, not because I just trust them to be fair.
“I fight not to became a full-fledged anti-Chinese racist every day, thanks to the Chinese internet.”
Nice, why neglecting the racist bs coming from Chinasmack comments.
Um. Because it’s a single, niche website that focuses largely on shocking subjects, is full of trolls, and whose posters come from all over and tend to know at least something about China and therefore have at least a little bit of room to comment? In comparison with what I was talking about, which is really vile expressions of hate being expressed all over a number of mainstream websites all coming from mainland Chinese who very often don’t have a clue what they’re talking about? And this goes on despite pretty strict monitoring?
Besides, I didn’t even say I love everything posted here, now did I? But I suppose that if you’re Chinese,I can understand how you might think that criticizing China or anything Chinese means you automatically give all foreign counterparts a complete pass unless you write a page-long disclaimer about how everyone else is also plenty bad.
Bullshit. Just most chinese don’t speak out about their opinions ,after all this isn’t in their culture to do so.
Deep down, all Chinese know that their face-saving antics would have led to the exact same altering of textbooks, denying history, and refusing to apologize as was seen from the Japanese, if they were in their place.
Having displayed their complete and utter lack of resistance against those who would brainwash them, the Chinese would probably have inflicted similar warcrimes upon the Japanese, if given the chance.
You’re saying it like any other people is different. Who just killed 100,000+ people in two ruinous wars over in the Middle-East? That’s right, Americans, the same people who dropped atomic bombs on Japan and ended up feeling self-righteous about it.
Humans are all full of shit.
I suppose you’d be appeased with allowing the Taliban to roam free in Afghanistan and allow Al-Quaida training camps. We’ll just wait around a few more decades for the UN to do something then, in the meantime you go ahead and fan the flames off your child’s back since a terrorist trained in Afghanistan blew himself in a New York subway carriage.
Oh, so it was all a hunt for Al Qaeda… So where’s Osama Bin Laden again? Last I checked, he was still issuing death to America proclamations.
And I suppose it justifies the 100,000+ dead created by the two wars (thirty times the number that died during the 9/11 tragedy). That’s probably what the Chinese think as well: we lost about twenty million people in World War II. So why shouldn’t ten times that number in Japanese pay? Oh wait, that’s the entire population of Japan. Oops.
retardedxiangsheng: taliban was armed by the americans once upon a time. obviously you weren’t paying attention during rambo 3.
you reguritate all the crap in popular media and pretend its learning. it’s like watching a dog take a shit then eat it.
Unfortunately, my dear fan, I don’t regurgitate the Western media because they have already strayed from basic logic when it comes to American intervention in the region.
Thanks for the history lesson on the region. I, of course, since I am nothing but a stupid American knew nothing of this breaking piece of news.
Please enlighten me. It seems you have a good reason to disagree with me on this point. What would that be exactly? Would you be happy with Al-Quaeda operating freely in your country and plotting mass murder in your own backyard? I think not. Or perhaps you have a better alternative, such as sending envoys over to dissuade them from using excessive force. Perhaps throw in a few Little Red Books to encourage group think.
why is america always on some great crusade? first fighting the communists and now ‘fixing’ the middle east. open dipolomacy rather than cash and guns and overthrowing of regimes would have led to a different outcome, a different situation today. the usa with its arrogance, its greed and its sanctimonious ‘holier than thou art’ attitude has created an imbalanced world. don’t think for one second that american history post 1950s was marked by anything other than: stupidity, fear and impetuousness. there were no glorious battles to fight, no great causes to stand up for. it was propoganda created and perpetuated by and for the masses – a blue hallucinogenic pill easily chosen and swallowed by american system. the result is that today you have a schizophrenic society in a love hate relationship with socialism and fighting an endless war. now that the usa has created this mess, it and the rest of the free peace loving world has no option but to continue fighting the islamic extremists but recongise this: modern democracies were never made for wars.
so americans try and learn from your past: stop messing around in other countries’ affairs, stop this captain america bullshit. try being environmentally friendly like the germans, try being chilled like the spanish, try borrowing some of the french and english style and try being nice like the canadians and australians. and lastly, be nice to china.
she’s got you by your balls so quit struggling and just learn to enjoy it.
And this means that Kaai is wrong????
Meh, East Asian internet nationalists hating on their neighbors, so what else is new? If that makes you an anti-East Asian racist go right ahead. Misery loves company.
lovely. i know we the yellow mastr race have longest dicks in the world and we are perfect race in the universe but i muss tell you, we did bad things in our past too. for exsample noone know about our humans tests done in nuclear testing areas. so does noone know how high is a death rate around our nuclear facilities.
In the grand scheme of things – this netizen’s post may have been something that the Chinese people needed to see – the final, deadly results of the last “great” nationalistic movement that swept through the Asian Rim. As Ron Sterling would say from time to time, “Unfortunately these things are not confined to just the Twilight Zone.”
aehm.. the last great nationalistic movement that swept through the Asian Rim ís the last celebration of declaration of the PRC. just some days ago..
No offense Matthew, but while there does exist some number of people in China (who knows what proportion) who are worried, disgusted, or embarrassed by extreme Chinese nationalism, it’s naive to think that many people are going see this post and draw any such parallel.
Oh Anon, given the length and breath of the Chinese people and culture, the idea of this type introspection is not outside the realm of possibly. Furthermore, if I could add to this line of thought:
http://dir.salon.com/story/books/feature/2002/02/07/doomsday/index.html
Apocalypse made easy
A top-secret U.S. government scenario for the aftermath of nuclear war reveals something truly scary — cockeyed optimism.
I just got here and I want to know if this article has already turned into a discussion about TAIWAN yet…if not then I’m sure it will.
just food for thought: what would the world’s reaction have been had Tarantino’s “Inglorious Basterds” been made here in China and been about collecting Japanese scalps instead of Nazis. I imagine there would have been a shitstorm of controversy.
Who cares if it’s be controversial? That movie would make a billion dollars at the Korean box office alone!
koreans doesnt have that much money lol haha jk
I’m guessing that 300 million Chinese would see it and that the domestic box office here would rake in a good $50 or $60 bucks after pirating and online viewing.
right. I do believe that the government has used these sentiments (ultimately result of WAR. SUCKS) for their own self serving needs, but one still have to take into account that this shit happened. The older generations were truly affected by the war. War sucks. People need to be a little bit more objective and use this to ultimately work toward making a better future for everyone and not repeat the same mistakes. What I’m trying to say is I can understand why the older generation have these hateful sentiments (it’s not just the Chinese–I’m talking about the generation who lived through WWII.)
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Whatever man. I don’t even know why I care. Fuck the world. Fuck life. Fuck it all. I hope WWIII happens like tomorrow and we all get blowned the fuck up. Haha.
hey stop talking, don’t make fool of yourself…..
fx you. sx my dx. ho bitch.
I can make a fool of myself (on the internet) all I want. Shit. I already did. HAHA.
You don’t like my negative nihilism? Too bad.
World sux (no matter what Discovery channel commercial tries to tell ya. Besides, they just reality t.v now). Life sux.
No one asked to be born.
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whatever whatever.
Life is short. And life is just a test. Each person will stand before the Judge and give an account of the good and evil he or she did. Justice will be served to all.
……do you really think a whole nation’s way of thinking can change in just one generation ? …. just to remind you of the potential that is lurking just beneath their skin ….. follow this link and then ask yourself again if this nation should be forgiven ….
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:HV_yX6aFf1s33M:http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/85261-2/nanking-massacre-rape-of-nanking-killing-children
“Revenge is a dish best served cold” …. the Japanese will get what is coming to them with a little help from the PLA.
From wikipedia:
Apology and condolences by the prime minister and emperor of Japan
On August 15, 1995, the fiftieth anniversary of the Surrender of Japan, the Japanese prime minister Tomiichi Murayama gave the first clear and informal apology for Japanese actions during the war. He apologized for Japan’s wrongful aggression and the great suffering that it inflicted in Asia. He offered his heartfelt apology to all survivors and to the relatives and friends of the victims. That day, the prime minister and the Japanese Emperor Akihito pronounced statements of mourning at Tokyo’s Nippon Budokan. The emperor offered his condolences and expressed the hope that such atrocities would never be repeated. Iris Chang, author of The Rape of Nanking, criticized Murayama for not providing the written apology that had been expected. She said that the people of China “don’t believe that an… unequivocal and sincere apology has ever been made by Japan to China” and that a written apology from Japan would send a better message to the international community. [6]
There have been apologies and no affect. In fact, im pretty sure that even if japan did formally apologize, China would still hate them.
But, this isn’t about China. Its about America dropping a bomb on people that were not soldiers. War is terrible. There is no justification for killing innocent people.
If not for the damage Japan did to China, the Communists would never have defeated the Imperial Army. The Commies should be thanking Japan for granting them sixty wonderful years of tyranny.
didnt u know that the comunist were also fighting against the japanese? in fact, it was one of the major comunist offensive that lead to the japanese attack of Nanjing!
Right…isn’t this like
“if she didn’t get stabbed with a knife, she wouldn’t have gotten that beautiful tattoo to cover up the scar”?
It is scary to know about the censoring in China. Only allowing what “Big Brother” wants its citizens to read.
As an English teacher in Japan I actually see what they are teaching in the schools. And they don’t deny what happened.
There is only a political group of nationalists that rewrote a history book denying so many wrongs done by Japan, and they are trying to push it on school boards. But most school boards laughed at them. Only a small tiny fraction have taken the book. Not the whole freakin country. Do some research.
The new generation is sad that so much killing took place.
Hell all the people I’ve talked to in Japan don’t hate China, but they are pissed that China keeps copying their stuff.
Listen to yourself for a moment.
“The Japanese don’t hate China…”
No shit. What the fuck did China ever do to them, except fight against their invasion? The Chinese didn’t even drop the atomic bombs; America did. Only in a bizarro world utterly lacking in logic would there be any cause for the Japanese to hate the Chinese over World War II. Hell, the Chinese even adopted the Japanese war orphans left behind by the Imperial government as it retreated. They have little to complain about.
Let’s not act like World War II was a war both sides wanted, and in which both sides were at fault. Japan invaded. China defended. America dropped the atomic bombs. End of story.
sure, agreed, but don’t discredit everything he’s said…indeed listen to HIM for a moment..the whole ‘they deny history’ card is very played out and exploited beyond the current reality.
As stated above,
at least the japanese fukt another country. not like china, who fkt their own country over so hard during the cultural revolution, it never got back on its feet intellectually.
you wonder why china cant come up with ONE innovative idea by itself and has to copy all from japan and germany and the usa?
because you killed everyone with half a brain 60 years ago and now your genepool is that of a spongefarm.
nanjing was bad, cultural revolution was much much worse.
but you chinese are so good at fingerpointing and need distraction huh.
Now don’t go mixing up China and Cambodia. Cambodia killed many of its intellectuals because they were upper class. China had a lot of “disappearances”, well they still do, but they didn’t kill off their scientists and thinkers(Other than the state approved ones).
China I think has many bright minds, and lot of potential for some great creativity.
Not just for sticking “Made in China” Stickers on products and reverse engineering products. But there is a complex that the “state” needs to get over. They are afraid of losing power.
And Lasttoblame is right. 宽恕不是忘记 –> Forgiving is not forgetting.
But the next step is how to take the tragedies of these two events and learn from them. Hell it may even be that we have to wait for the older generation to die off before being able to step over this bridge.
They just cracked down on the hundred/thousand flowers that were about to bloom…
Because we all know China was such a bastion of intellectual progress before the Cultural Revolution, or for that matter any time in the last five hundred years. Yup, it was all the Communists’ fault.
Not.
宽恕不是忘记.
God have mercy on all of us
I like that last photo where the guy is eating a bit of mooncake on a fork.
Happy Mid-Autumn Festival!!!!
I cannot understand the link between patriotism and displaying death caused by war. It is incredibly stupid to display these pictures as a show of patriotism. It will just breed more hatred. I am sure the Americans are not proud of what the atomic bomb did…
I beg to differ, my American friends are arrogant and pride themselves for the wars their country has been and won.
I swear Chinese people are the worst people in the world.
As a human, I feel disgusted by the heartless comments. Where is the humanity? When we look at those pictures, lets not put the blame on anyone. Look at those pictures and try not to make the same mistake again as humans.
I had no idea Chinese even knew about the A-bombs that the US dropped on JP. I thought they were only taught history up to how the Reds defeated the JPs.
as a people who have experienced the atrocities of war, so much and so harshly, one would expect the chinese to be more understanding.
well, anything that doesnt fit into a campaign slogan, no chinese can ever hope to learn.
Victims empathize with each other. Victims don’t empathize with victimizers. It’s like saying Tibetans should really empathize with Chinese since they were both starved under Mao. Of course, in reality a nation contains both victims and victimizers. But that’s not what the ideology of nationalism teaches us. Nationalism teaches us that we are all just “parts of the whole.”
Most of engaged comments are just brainless.
Neither Chinese nor Japanese civilian deserved this. People should start to realize that there is a difference between military/government and civilian. Civilian, as much as they hope they can, have no power over what military and government are doing and will do.
All wars from the past and present are not initiated nor made by civilian. When civilian dies, it is not the act of the whole country who did it but the act of military and government.
Raping and killing in China were military’s doing, no matter the nationality.
Bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki were military’s doing, no matter the nationality.
Blaming a whole nation that has no power over what is decided by government and military forces is just stupid and empty.
Now people should wake up and ask themselves where is the real problem behind wars.
Civilians are from far outnumbering war makers…
Someone please explain to me, in this day of easy access to good information, why mainland Chinese continue to give honor to the most vile beast of a human who ever lived: Chairman Mao. By Mao’s actions, sometime directly and sometimes indirectly, 70000000 Chinese died. Many of them, your grandparents, great aunts and uncles, suffered terribly – either at the lack of food or at the hands of merciless thugs serving Mao as Red Guards.
If killing Chinese people is what gets your picture on the money, maybe some Chinese money should also have Japanese soldiers on it. Of course, I’m not serious.
But stop honoring that murderer Mao, if you got a brain.
“Without Mao, there is no China.”
“Rather serve the devil at home, than the devil abroad.”
“Mao made mistakes, but his intentions were good.”
Standard rationalizations for vicious leaders.
Oh, and the people the Communists targeted (landowners, bureaucrats, etc.) were people Chinese peasants have hated for ages. There is a class struggle here that you do not see when you classify everything under Chinese. Look at how much Chinese people hate their officials, today, and this is just sixty years after the formation of a new dynasty. Now imagine 250+ years of this (under the Qing, a Manchu dynasty in which the collaborators were arguably traitors to the native Chinese), and you can see how much pent up rage might have been accumulated against the social class the Communists overthrew and persecuted.
You’re right. 60 years later the situation is the same. There is a huge and growing gap between rich and poor. There are over 8,000 billionaires in Beijing alone. Yet the average pay for all Chinese is only a couple of dollars a day. Nothing has changed. When will the next revolution happen?
I LOL at how someone can always turn an irrelevant post to a Mao-bashing round. I suggest you read more on what happened to China between 1930s to 1970s. I would say without Mao (and the Chinese Communist Party), China would probably still be a second class vassal state and Tibet and Xinjiang would already be independent today. And you toll figure of death is totally biased, even beyond the wildest estimate that I read.
Guess what, if you have a few “Mao on money” that you hate so much, give to me and I don’t mind to have all of them.
amazing how mao did this singlehandedly. not another chinese lifted so much as a chopstick and do not share any responsibility. amazing how a famine (granted exacerbated with pisspoor policies and food exports) is a sole person’s responsibility. chang, halliday, and the others don’t count on the otherside the millions of chinese who were born or didn’t die due to some semblance of stability imposed by mao and the boys. i’m not a big mao fan, but the 70 million promoters kill any reasonable discussion on the matter.
When did China get over its emperor-mentality? Of course Mao did it single-handedly, like every emperor before him single-handedly ruled the Chinese sheep of their day.
Don’t like 70000000? What’s a more accurate number? Can you substantiate it? Am I the same as those guys who say thousands were single-handedly killed by Deng XiaoPing in 1989?
You probably deny that, too. Maybe it’s not too late for that, though. Maybe you can still count the living mothers of dead children.
But, then again, what’s the point of counting? Who cares? Mao’s glowing face will still grace the money that greedy people today are still willing to lie, steal, cheat, and kill for.
Can’t we find a truly honest person’s face to look at when we’re handling money? If not, just put a panda’s face there. They haven’t hurt anyone.
Emperor Hirohito was a blind savage. The Japanese were told he was a living God and those in power brainwashed the Japanese to never surrender because if they did they would disrespect God. The Japanese soldiers were soulless beasts. What they did to China was horrifying and unforgivable. The Japanese government should have given up after the US bombed the hell out of Tokyo, but they didn’t, so the A-bombs were dropped, ending the war. The Japanese government was to blame for the atrocities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I feel bad for the civilians who were killed and mutilated when the bombs were dropped.
Agree with most of what is written in this post except the part on who is to blame. The American government is equally responsible when it decided dropping a A-bomb on civilians. This was just disgusting and still is.
Everybody is responsible for his own mistakes.
Japanese gov. is responsible for the killings in China, not the Japanese civilians.
American gov. and Japanese gov. are both equally responsible for the killings in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, not Japanese civilians nor American civilians.
I agreed with most of it, but
“The Japanese government was to blame for the atrocities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki”
wow. Isn’t this a little like convenience store inviting to get robbed because of their hours or the rape victim had it coming because of her dress?
I don’t think these comments represent the general population of China. It’s the same as in the states. Extremists always make the most noise. I do think that Americans in general take responsibility for what we did with the bomb. Saying it was the government is a cop-out. The government in the states represents the will of the people and they wanted the war stopped as soon as possible. It succeeded in doing that and maybe even stopped a second war with the USSR (second bomb proved we had more).
I think a few extreme comments are from the smaller proportion of Chinese but most of the Chinese know about it and angry at Japan. I can’t blame them.
Though Americans should have considered the Japanese civilians before killing them all. They hardly hit any military units form those 2 bombs.
The majority of Japan did support the war and were behind the emperor, the mass extermination of Chinese people were under the emperors instructions but the other atrocities such as torture rape and pillage was at the soldiers own will because they did not consider Chinese people as humans.
Many people today continue on in their sheltered lives totally oblivious to what had happened during the holocast.
What’s even worse is a clueless loud mouth foreigner making an ass of himself by making ignorant statements.
If you think these photos were bad then wait to you read about what had happened to Chinese people, there are documents and photos. One of the most inhuman treatments you have ever known just makes you cry hard at the state of mankind.
Be thankful you do not have to experience what the Chinese did from the Japanese, or what the Japanese had experienced from the cruelty of Americans.
Both are atrocities and both are equally guilty in mass killings.
More importantly, the world must never forget what had happen and learn from this.
And it is true that Japan still needs recognize these war crimes and be brought to justice.
It’s not just Mao that is the murder, most of those deaths eventuated from the the civil war that cost many lives from the oppositions.
Just as many KMT nationalist died as did the Maoist.
I know most westerners probably taught you that Mao was someone evil murdered so many people, he’s a communist etc but there’s always 2 sides to everything and it depends which side you take.
In the end the results speaks, you have the communist party who did the better job.
Most emperors and governments are responsible for many deaths in fact, though with democracy it maybe a little hard to frame each governments dirty deeds because they keep changing all the time.
In the end, the results speak: Taiwan became prosperous and Mao took China to the Dark Ages. How long has China been “developing”? 30 years. Thank God, Mao died.
Silly Chinese cant let it go. Always whine about what happen to their ancestors and keep hating people. Next time we gonna see they hate everyone that not living in China.
Peace. Even you hate Chinese people, I don’t hate you. I forgive your hostility and your ignorance against China and the people living here. Dude I gave you my love. Will you accept it?
And my love comes without even 10 conditions, no matter you live inside China or not.
hey fun boys, go get a room
“Silly Chinese cant let it go. Always whine about what happen to their ancestors and keep hating people. Next time we gonna see they hate everyone that not living in China.”
Silly jews cant let it go. Always whine about what happen to their ancestors and keep hating people. Next time we gonna see they hate everyone that not living in israel.
This isn’t about Jewish people – STAY ON TOPIC!
As for the Chinese attitudes, there’s no denying that they hate the Japanese from the oldest to the youngest, its blind hatred. UNTIL a Japanese company offers them a job that is.
I”am indifferent with situation , but however the japanese bombed us first , so we return the favor, but I don’t understand why the japanese are directing this action toward to the chinese … and Iraq could never invade us ..after all we gave them their weapons and their uniform, And no single country could ever take down The United States of America,. Better believe that. And as a former ExMarine I’ll gladly re-enlist if any country dares to try. So till then I’ll teach English peacefully in Wuhan.
“This isn’t about Jewish people – STAY ON TOPIC!
As for the Chinese attitudes, there’s no denying that they hate the Japanese from the oldest to the youngest, its blind hatred. UNTIL a Japanese company offers them a job that is.”
If someone told you that something doesn’t matter because it was in the past would you feel like it’s ok??? My grandfather’s city was bombed by the japanese, he went to hong kong then to hanoi then to saigon then to indonesia and then to america. If the japanese haven’t invaded china i wouldn’t be in america today but in my homeland where i don’t have to take racist crap from anyone even if i’d wouldn’t be payed as much as i would here. Japan’s economic success along with their inventions and popular culture like manga is great, china did take the wrong road with communism and will take some time to get their shit back together. But Saying that something doesn’t matter because it happened in the past really gets on my nerves. tell a jew that he shouldn’t remember the holocaust because that was sixty years ago.
People grow up.!! i truly sympathized with all the victims don’t be heartless for nothing.put your frustrations somewhere else..
people who commented on this page so far …i think there are these kinda people…
stupid,bitches n convicts.
morons and complete idiots .racists n cunts
last but not at least few people with common sense
so u put yourself where u belong. thanks..
“People grow up.!! i truly sympathized with all the victims don’t be heartless for nothing.put your frustrations somewhere else..
people who commented on this page so far …i think there are these kinda people…
stupid,bitches n convicts.
morons and complete idiots .racists n cunts
last but not at least few people with common sense
so u put yourself where u belong. thanks..”
Uhhh what the fuck are you talking about??? can you rewrite your comment??? i can’t understand what the hell you are trying to say
ok people, stop the bullshit: the japanese certainly did horrible things to chinese ppl in nanking, but haven’t the chinese performed inhumane acts towards the tibetans?
so it is not about who has suffered more or desrves a certain taste of revenge, understand this: HATRED HARVEST HATRED.
it is not an easy thing to say or to do, but learn to love instead of hating, you will live a more fulfilling life
peace
Right on chino123!!
Chinos maricas , solo comentan en blogs pero cuando ven a un japones de frente les quieren besar la mano , solo son nacionalistas cuando estan entre ustedes chinos comunistas putos
thus spoke google translater:
If you were considerate enough to conceal your thoughts in Spanish, perhaps next time you can take that extra step to not post anything altogether.
“but haven’t the Chinese performed inhumane acts towards the Tibetans?”
yeah human rights, while Tibetans get economic subsidies, free education, affirmative action,
“so it is not about who has suffered more or desrves a certain taste of revenge, understand this: HATRED HARVEST HATRED.”
Yeah like how jews hate what the germans did to them. oh wait it’s hatred it should just be forgiven and the holocaust should be forgotten.
“but learn to love instead of hating”
If somebody fucked you up and then say later lets just forget about it, it’s in the past. most people wouldn’t feel jolly like you.
Alfonso. i love online translators. Yeah sure say that the communists did this and that. Not japan for fucking up with china. If china wasn’t screwed by japan there wouldn’t be any communists today.
“Yeah like how jews hate what the germans did to them. oh wait it’s hatred it should just be forgiven and the holocaust should be forgotten.”
This is big mistaken assumption on your part.
Most Jews DO NOT HATE Germans…but you assume this.
The world never will forget the Holocaust but the Jews, Germans and Japanese all seemed to have moved on from WW2.
I feel like it is only China and Chinese people who are living in the past.
I wish Chinese people would follow the good example of the Jews and not hate Germans/Japanese and get on with their lives.
Although I’m not a Jew myself, I live in a community of Jews who’s grand parents and their family have experienced that cruelty of the Nazi. Surprisingly none of them harbor hate for the Germans anymore and even include them in their prayers. Perhaps because they are deeply religious which teaches them forgiveness but I’m very impressed with the strength these people have. I hope the Chinese people would learn from their example.
fools, simpletons, and pawns. I see it in your comments here, i saw it today as you sat awe-struck in front of he TV. What exactly were you celebrating? the answer might give you a clue to why you hate others so much
Just wanted to say that the blind man shown in the last two photos (he’s being spoonfed in the last one) is NOT an A-bomb victim. His name is Sakurai Tetsuo (桜井哲夫) and he is a Japanese poet who suffers from Hansen’s disease (aka leprocy). NHK did a documentary on him and the photos look like screen caps from the same show. They’ve been all over Korean websites where he was first described as an A-bomb victim, but he’s not. Don’t believe everything you see on the internet.
The other photographs look legitimate though.
“why you hate others so much”
Sure even if somebody fucked up your grandparents. it’s dumb because it’s hate???
So, did anyone from Japan kill YOUR grandparents?
Yeah motherfucker! It was a WAR!!!! It always fucking sucks!!!!
Also, do you think hate is a good thing?
What can anyone gain from hating Japan?
Nothing.
In the end, people who hate others usually end up only hurting themselves.
Hate sucks….you people should try love for a change, it’s much better than hatred.
YES, it is stupid and ignorant to hold people accountable for the crimes of their ancestors. Do you see Japanese as vitriolic towards the granchildren of the Americans who fought in WWII? How about the English attitude towards the Germans? Do Americans still wish ill upon the new generations of Italians? Etc, Etc, Etc!!!! The Chinese are the only people who can be convinced an entire nation of people needs to be punished for the crimes of 10,000 soldiers and a handful of deranged leaders from 70 years ago. No independent thought and ultra nationalism. Enough said.
“The Chinese are the only people who can be convinced an entire nation of people needs to be punished for the crimes of 10,000 soldiers and a handful of deranged leaders from 70 years ago. No independent thought and ultra nationalism. Enough said.” – cmfeirs
Well said, I feel EXACTLY the same way.
And ultra nationalism is just stupid…what end does it serve?
Does it ever seem like Chinese people rely way too much on their arbitrary, inherited culture and CCP doctrine when it comes to obtaining their identity?
We’re all influenced by our environment to some sense but I do find people in other countries to have their own sense of individuality not based on their ethnicity or nationality.
Can you really blame Chinese people for being so nationalistic? Not really.
Their nationalism is being fueled by:
1. The sense of injustice due to Japanese war criminals goes unpunished after the war
2. The lack of world wide condemnation of Imperial Japan, as oppose to Nazi Germany.
You should also know that many Japanese are angry at Americans for nuking their cities.
History is already the past, lets move on!
1.Americans can send theirs troops to kill 100000+ iraqi and afghanistan people because several thousand civilians died in 911; Chinese cannot hate japs even they killed 300000+ civilians in Nanjing.
2.America started wars all over the world and still pretends to be the moral teacher to the rest of the world; china sticks to its peaceful rise policy and still get accused of being a war harzard.
3.Americans thought they know more than chinese about how to deal with their own problems(one post i feel most rediculous is that “we know more chinese history than chinese people”), and their economy now runs on china’s debt.
just take a look at yourself, americans. if you feel uncomfortable about war atrocities, please vote down your war-starting government. we chinese people live in a “totalitarian” country, we want to beat viets, japs, indians..whoever dare to steal territories from us, but our government won’t let us do it. you are different, you guys live in a democratic country, if you hate war so much, you can stop it, yes you can!
Until you can ‘get over’ the past and get on with your life, then and only then can we (that is all Homo sapiens who live on Earth) get together and do something positive to save our Earth. Earth is dying from people’s greed. It is okay to manufacture but do it with little impact on Mother Nature. Mother Nature is weeping and venting her anger at us with terrible flooding and droughts. Think about it!
Do any of you really think you are speaking for your countries or races? So far every comment I’ve read is from the mind of someone who feels their thoughts are the only one that is important. What a bunch of Bu–sh-t I’m reading. So many egos with such little minds. How can any of you justify this line of s–t you are putting in here. Grow up, become a member of the human race, and learn to love yourself before you can love someone else. Every country in this world is guilty of doing terrible things to their own people and other countries. EVERY COUNTRY! No one is exempt.
I noticed a trend among the Chinese and Western posters. The Western contributors would post their views from the perspective of an individual while the Chinese always view things as a group as “You amaricans” etc
The notion that the Japanese government do not acknowledge their history is complete fallacy. They have apologised. Many times.
so many hypocritical guys.if you want to talk about forgiveness,suffer firstly.Japanese did neither kill your people nor invade your country,so you can give your forgiveness and love to them easily.Nobody wants to hate others,but what Japanese did deserve the hate.
Japanese know they did wrong as well as the Germans know, but Chinese people especially students read munipulated text produced by the communist party, Chinese people have no common sense to think for themselves. Just shows mentality of chinese. If it was not for the likes of Japanese and West China would be nothing now, thats thanks from the Chinese. Now they have education they bite the hand that feeds them…arrogance..reason Chinese not liked or trusted in west.
We should have bombed China while we were at it. Who knows, you guys would probably be more successful if we did. Just look at Japan.
The US should have nuked Beijing and Nanking.The Chinese have no respect for the sacrifice the US gave to saving their pathetic society. And to claim that Mao had anything to do with repelling the “invaders” is laughable. The US won the war in the pacific with little to no Chinese aid. Gen. McArthur was right – we should have marched into Beijing and killed Mao.
San Soucri, shut the hell up. It’s ignorant shit like that that gets people thinking we’re all that dumb. There’s never a reason for nuking a city. If our society were filled with people like you, we’d be the pathetic ones.
The “rape” of Nanking was nothing. It is merely Chinese moaning and groaning. Maybe if the Chinese were strong enough to defend their country they would have stopped it. But, alas Mao was a sandy vagina.