On January 8, one of our readers (Nick), emailed me:
http://bbs.ifeng.com/viewthread.php?tid=3500026
没想到以色列女兵这么漂亮, indeed
[Did not expect Israeli female soldiers to be this pretty, indeed.]
I did not get a chance to make a post at that time but eventually Danwei wrote about it recently on January 14. One week ago, I saw this interesting post on KDS with the title “Pretty girls on Israeli streets”. In the topic were many posted photographs of Jewish girls carrying big guns while walking around on Israel streets.
Here are all the pictures posted on KDS and the only picture still available on Sina:
On KDS, the photos first began with girls carrying guns on the Israel streets. Later in the topic, the original poster posted Jewish girls he thought were good looking. Some appear to be in the military but some are uncertain.
Comments from KDS:
…look too many times and you will be shot to death.
Universal military service [?]
Their women even have tank units.
They key is character, character.
If our country was like this, then everyday there would be fighting on the streets.
Hitting on these girls involves the risk of getting shot in the head!
This country is very frightening…
Israel’s women’s appearances are not bad.
If our country was like this, it would no longer be “a small group with ulterior motives” but immediately be an overthrow [of the government]…
I would rather live in a society where police do not need to carry guns.
The day you discover even traffic police carrying guns to work will be the day to start crying.
I would not go to this kind of place even if it was given to me for free…there is no safety at all…
God’s chosen people – having a gun on on your self all day.
Do you now feel the benefit of the government controlling firearms?
The pretty ones I bet are wild animals in bed.
It is very difficult to imagine what would happen to them after being captured by the enemy.
[Their] uniforms are very pretty.
Why are our army’s uniforms always so old-fashioned???
Playing an Israeli girl will result in a very horrible death.
I would prefer that everyone can carry guns. At least there would no longer be Xinjiang thieves.
I would prefer that everyone can carry guns. At least a society that can carry guns is “more fair.”
Whether they have stability or not for outsiders to say. At least their passports allow them to go to other countries.
If Shanghai was surrounded by Hamas, I would also want a gun to protect myself.
Comments from Sina:
Cool!
I really envy having such a nice gun. If I had that, it would be so nice. Whoever bullies me, I will take the gun and go kill his entire family.
Right, peace is not easy to come by. So we need to cherish it. I also hope the world can have fewer wars. It is not easy for people to be able to live.
Hope they can all have peace.
Interesting, bringing a gun to the bank to deposit money…hehe…Israel definitely does not have any thieves. No need to chase, shot at long-range. Definitely no perverts/lechers. No need to be afraid, shot at close-range.
Do not marry these girls! If they get worried, they will drag you outside and shoot you!
In that kind of turbulent environment, in comparison, I feel I am lucky and also blessed…peace peace…ding…
Israel is truly impressive, in that kind of environment creating that many miracles!
Israel seems to be a universal mandatory military service country.
In China, this would be inconceivable!!! Perhaps shot dead on the spot!!
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holy shit. there will be no bitch slap in israel, before you realize it, your head is f**king blown off.
fits my taste.
LoL, I like how the KDS forum gradually and inevitably degenerates into just posting pictures of pretty girls.
They live in a war zone.
Are they militia? or part of the regular IDF or Reserves.
They could be either regular IDF or on Reserve. Israel has Universal Service (everyone must serve in the military) and then it has Universal Reserve (Everyone is in the Reserves)
Both men (3 years) and women (2 years) when they turn 18 have mandatory universal military service.
After the initial military service of 3 years for men and 2 years for women they are placed in the active reserve and serve one moth a year until they turn 43 years old. after 43 years of age reserve duty is voluntary
half those pictures are of people in military fatigues…and the other half are there to misdirect people that everyone in Israel walks around with an MP5. Use your heads people. Not everyone in China walks around doing kung fu or flying from roof top to roof top using their mystical kung fu’ie powers, though if you have been watching chinese movies you might think that, or that the japanese invasion/war with china is still going on.
If I go take pictures of taxi’s and only taxi’s on the streets would you believe that there are only taxi’s here?
I hope there are formal servicewomen. Men would usually pause at sexy females, giving the Israeli military a decisive advantage in combat.
In gaming term:
This skill grants you a 50% chance to daze your enemy for 3 seconds.
True, Peteryang, but, Israeli servicemen will also be gawking at their fellow combatant’s arse, thus any advantage to Israel would be cancelled out.
(exceptional avatar by the way)
The KDS “pretty girls on Israeli streets” is much more appropriate than “Jewish girls with guns”…unless guns is a sexy metaphor for breasts, in which case, bravo!
Reminds me of the old cramps song, Bikini girls with machine guns (sorry don’t know if youtube has stripped the soundtrack of this song or not)
@NL
I thought they are separated from their male counterpart in combat. if not, this issue can be resolved by just doing that.
Hamas on the other hand, could hardly amass any female soldier of value (besides C4 strappers who got shot in the face before they even get close, and a small portion of them explode randomly by accident) , on top of that, turban covers all crucial parts of the face that differentiate woman from man.
In Israel women serve in frontline combat next to the men in regular IDF units. There are some designated units for the Heredi (Ultra Orthodox) which do not have female soldiers. Probably for the safety of the Heredi.. with their chauvenistic behavior they would probably be shot by the females.
Israel has two extremes…. Ultra Orthodox and Secular both have a hard time interacting with the other.. the moderate or Masorti (Conservative Middle Ground)Although the largest movement of jews in America is rather small in Israel.
They are not separated. I’ve heard many tales from Israelis about sex in the army.
But I didn’t know you could see weapons carried in the street by civilians like this.
Civilians do not generally carry weapons in Israel. Soldiers though are required to carry their weapons at all times. So a Regular Army who is off duty would have a weapon or during your annual Reserve duty you would be required to have your weapon.
Outside urban areas such as in outlaying town or in settlements gun control is more lax and you will see civilians carryingweapons. But in the main cities if they are carrying a gun their are usually IDF (regular/reserve) or police/security
Every citizen of Israel are obligated to military service. They finish schools while in army. Due geopolitical conditions in which Israel are, it is quite normal to see girls and hunks caring guns casually on the streets. Friend of my told me that Israel is like giant army camp, with very tight security on every place. Although, running in slippers with 5kg heavy gun and tight mini is not very convenient.
yeah I can imagine what Israel is like, being surrounded by enemy nations who practice fundamentally different religion. God bless them.
Girls with guns are sexy. Maybe the new fashion trend should be girls with fake guns. :)
I find it very repulsive seeing Muslim women wearing those bags. For some reason, I have no respect for them or their culture.
Israeli women are a breath of fresh air.
I hope Israel does whatever is necessary, not matter what, to protect itself.
Glad to see your not a bigot Dick. No group in the world is more insular than the Jews. Amazing that they have this civil rights rep in the United States. You’re another example of that groups big time hypocrisy. Big. Time.
Youre prepared to do whatever it takes? Here’s an idea. Give back their land and just chalk it up to not being prepared 2000 years ago with the Romans.
Hmm…imagine if they have PMS bad. Once a month you’d risk having a massacre…
To “SOCRATESTES” – Your comment about these gun-toting babes having PMS is so funny,my belly is aching.
If I made that comment in my country (New Zealand),the Feminist Brigade would BBQ me.
@richard
I am with you on this one, islam is a backward and barbaric religion, it promotes violence and intolerance and has no place in civil society. its believers are primitive and stir up troubles around the world for their holey war. their women get executed for simply going to school.
in any islamic country, the religion is the state is the government and is the law, thats why these arabic nations are poor as a bathroom sinkhole. these pathetic assholes think the world owes them eveything.
tell you a little story of mine, few years ago I took a flight from New Zealand to China, sitting right besides me were two muslim men, for the whole 11 hours of the flight I had to keep my eyes on them, fearing they’d blow everyone up, and I noticed almost all surrounding passengers had the same nervous look.
Jews on the other hand, were extremely unfortunate in their history, more than once they were near extinction, and are still fighting for survival today, but amid all these troubles they’ve managed to build a true modern and democratic nation on a wasteland and control much of american finance system.
I salute their talents, indiligence and unity, I feel their pain and wholeheartedly support whatever they have to do for their nation.
Any religion (Islam) that murders a 10 year old girl because her 30 year old uncle rapes her is barbaric.
Any religion (Islam) that regularly supports genital mutilation of girls is Barbaric
Any religion (Islam) that allows 50 year old men to marry and have sex with 9 year old girls is Barbaric
Islam is Barbaric
@richard @Peteryang
The problem isn’t with Islam it is with fundamentalists. there are plenty of Jewish fundamentalists and Christian fundamentalists too.
If the Jewish government started to work towards a peaceful solution then perhaps we wouldn’t have these situations in the Gaza.
FUCK ISRAEL
jews are the most dispicable race in the world
GOD BLESS HITLER
Wu, you are a dumb gook. You are the Asian equivalent of George Bush.
Reply to “WU” – You are a Sick Racist.
How dare you say “God bless Hitler”.If there is a God,Hitler (and you)will get what you deserve.
Jews with the most sacred! We all need to help them to shout about what the Arabs do have a lot of years. I have a friend in Israel and Cool Dude – Thi State of Israel forever
Explanation (I’m Israeli):
Those who are not wearing uniforms are on vacation from the army, but they mustn’t leave their wepons anywhere without supervising (by military law), so they stuck with it 24\7…
Wu – shame on you – I not belive you are Chinese . remember who was Hitler and who were his ally and what they did to China.
the respect to Israel it’s more then what you can understand …you’re a loser !
“Gareth
Monday, January 19, 2009 at 11:59 pm
@richard @Peteryang
The problem isn’t with Islam it is with fundamentalists. there are plenty of Jewish fundamentalists and Christian fundamentalists too.
If the Jewish government started to work towards a peaceful solution then perhaps we wouldn’t have these situations in the Gaza.”
The problem is, 99.9% of suicide bombers are Muslim, and if the Israeli gov’t (not Jewish government) *only* worked toward a UN-sanctioned peace agreement, fanatical Muslims would still bomb the hell out of Israeli civilians simply because they exist.
Anyway, without getting too political.. Racheli’s spot on.
Dude Peteryang. That’s pretty racist and ignorant. Islam is a barbaric religion that promotes violence? What? Also, that little story of yours only shows your racism, not how dangerous Muslim people are. Only truly a tiny percentage of Muslims are terrorists and you are almost implying that all Muslims should be exterminated. What they do as religious practice and what they do to their woman is none of your business. That’s their national/religious sovereignty and they don’t want you to throw around your foreign moral judgments on what they do, especially when it doesn’t affect you. You are probably even more intolerant than any normal Muslim.
Also, “jews control much of American financial system”? Maybe I don’t know, but can you show me a reliable source before you say something so generalizing.
Also, I don’t get people’s double standards against Muslims. It’s morally horrible when suicide bombers kill innocent civilians, but it’s perfectly fine when modern bombers bomb the hell out of innocent civilians. The only difference is that one is more primitive and kill less, while the other is more advanced and kill more. For however many unnecessary killings the Islam world did to the western world, the western world did 1000 times over to Islam world. And the western attacks are not all retaliatory. For example Iraq. What did Iraqi did to US? None of the 911 terrorists are iraqi and yet about 1 million Iraqi got killed and their whole nation broken.
@Raab
“…would still bomb the hell out of Israeli civilians simply because they exist.”
That’s not the complete reason why the Muslim world hates Israel. To Muslims, Israel is an invader and it invaded their holy city. Before WWII and consequent Jewish resettlement decisions by the Allies, Jerusalem is predominately Muslims city. Now it became almost a complete Jewish city. To Muslims, they are only repelling invaders through the only method they have, suicide bombing. Also, Israel is the biggest US ally and support US’s agenda in oppressing the Arab world, so of course Muslims are going to hate Israel.
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There are many films of global intersts and also in regard to the situation in our south [like 15 seconds in Sderot: the time ppl there can expect as alert before fall of rockets]. There are many playlists in my channel too, some of them also relate to subject of actual interest.
People who know Hebrew and want to receive more information can write to stellutsa.faurzussman@gmail.com and I will send files with more data.
BTW: I know someone who was now in the Gaza front, daughter of a friend. She is not really combat but does something technical that has to do with supporting fighting. However- we fight because we have no choice if we want to survive. Nobody enjoys it. And: You are also invited to visit our country, there is also alot of fun and interest.
As an Israeli soldier and officer, you have to understand that to protect on almost 8 million people from almost 1 billion arabs is almost impossible mission.
You could see that Hamas is holding the civilians like hostages, educating them that hate and war is the only way for them to live.
In my time in Gaza i saw many tunnels for weapons, suicide bombers, weapons who were hiden in mosques and schools.
Is this is the future that Hamas wants for Palastinian children ?
Israel whoring out women for tourism….LOL…who the hell wants to go to the MidEast – a desert full of religious fanatics.
@Hammy
“This is not the complete reason”….,your are so pathetic.While Israel existence is a proven istoric fact,the arabs living on the holly land is a relative recent mistake.The jewsh have eliberated their own land from the arab occupation.Is as simple as that.You see smart ass,the human history does not star or end with wwii.You may as well pretend that jews never exist befor that war,but hey,do not let facts and history to confuse you!Arab holy city,my ass,ignorant!And yeah there is a huge difference between a bomber and a suicidal terorrist.keep your dogs home and you’ll never test the bombs.What is Israel doing is just to protect their citizen,their children from mad dogs like hamas.It is so insane to claim to be a fighter while using children and womans as human shield.You have lost it,if you hope that israelis will let you bomb them just because the ‘fighters”launch and hide under their woman skirts.The old and goood time when ones could just burn jews alive is over.get use to it,The Great IDF is there to protect and punish,if is neccesary with bombers,so you just could wake up from your false dreams.God bless Israel
@nathan
If u r so much proud of IDF n their operations then y jewish girls r running away with palestenians who r hiding behind women n children.Bombing innocent civilians is actual terrorism my friend,n if u d’know how muslims behaved when they had captured u r land back in 6th century B.C then read history.
אין כמו הצבא הישראלי בעולם!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!כשהערבים יניחו את נשקם, לא תהיה עוד מלחמה, כשישראל תניח את נשקה, לא תהיה עוד ישראל
@Hammy
Before WWII Kosovo was predominantly Serbian. Should we let them to take it back?
Another PR victory. Who doesn’t like pretty girls?
Something probably irrelevant: the impression I got from reading online posts and comments is, though many Chinese are angry at what Israel army did to civilians recently, the general Chinese attitude towards Israel is solid positive. Reasons include 1. No religious burdens. 2. Jewish settlers came to China many hundreds of years ago, since then lived quite harmoniously in this society and some Jewish played important roles in Chinese history. 3. Shanghai was one of the few places that accommodated Jewish refugees in WWII, and Israel helped China in several crucial times to return goodness. Gratefulness is one of the most import virtues in Chinese moral standard. 4. The general Chinese opinion of Israel people is that they are pragmatic and hard working, and Chinese highly respect their ‘tough bones’ in struggling for independence.
No Hammy,”we” have to do something about it,send some “martyrs” to search and distroy.The jews can be compared even to a bicycle if you want to,let alone serbian,albanian and so on.They do not have a history, a legacy or any importance.You can gas them,kill them,take away their right to exist,opress them as “we” want and please.Surely I can understand that “we” become increasingly outraged by their capacity to defend them self,after all “we” are used to see them die quietly.Isn’t it?
It’s a form of birth control for the colonizer. Necessary to maintain concentration camp Gaza.
ok for those who disagree with me, let put it this way:
What makes Buddhism, Taoism or Christianity (and the likes) different from Islam is that the formers are compatible with men’s conscience and morals, advocate peace, don’t meddle with politics, instill spiritual goodness in people, and its believers usually possess high tolerance toward each other and non-believers, so they can live, grow and interact with modern societies in a constructive way.
Islam on the other hand, not only has none of these essential virtues, but is also bloody in its core. The Kuran specifically states to eradicate Israel, and Muslims believe so, this doctrine alone is enough to render it a killing guide, and you can’t find something ridiculous as this in other religions’ teaching. Now imagine if Japan’s constitution stipulates that China and all Chinese must be eliminated, and Japanese military fire rockets into Senkaku islands every fcuking day, how do you thing the Chinese will respond??
and that doesn’t even tell the whole story, since Israel, unlike China, is located in the very heart of enemy territory, they ought to use whatever possible to defend and rightfully defend themselves. now THAT is called sovereignty!
and Hammy I laugh at your “foreign moral judgement” line, I thought only chinese government uses this excuse. and you said “especially when it doesn’t affact you”, wrong, it affacts me, more specifically it affacts us Chinese, East Turkestan Islamic Movement is a major headache for Xinjiang region.
I am not saying Hamas or any islamic nation should quit fighting, they can do whatever they like (as they already do) with Israel just as Israel does whatever it has to, but matter of fact for now is Hamas got their ass handed to Israel military.
@Nathan
You are rabbling dude. Are you a religious fanatic?
Muslim living in Israel a relatively recent mistake? What? Read your history!! Recent as in ever since Islam is created!! Israel was never exclusively Jewish ever since there are Muslims. Hell, Israel was never exclusively Jewish ever since there are Christians. You think Jews can hold the Israel when the Arab civilization is the most prosperous? When the crusaders fought to conquer Jerusalem, it is mainly the Muslims that defend the city. Recent mistake!?!? I will say this, before WWII, Israel and Jerusalem had Muslims as the majority and Jews and Christians as the minority. Now there is hardly any Muslims, if there is any.
“It is so insane to claim to be a fighter while using children and womans as human shield” Where and when and who used “womans” and children as shields? Is that the reasoning that Israel uses to kill these women and children? “Oh, every woman and child is only a human shield for the Hamas, so kill them before they are used.”
Who is killing who? No one is burning Jews alive. But you could say that bombs are burning Muslims alive by the thousands. And stop dragging the Holocaust, nazis and Hitler into this. Those are not arguments. Nobody is oppressing the Jews now while definitely the whole western world is oppressing the Muslims by categorizing all Muslims as terrorists, so it’s fine to kill all of them.
@enlighted
Wait, it’s ok for Israel to expel Muslims out of their land in the first place, but it’s not fine for the Muslims to fight back? First you have to get that there is no normal right or wrong in international conflicts. Nobody let anybody do anything. I am just saying the Muslims terrorist is not the only wrong ones. Israel is also wrong for starting this conflict by forcefully expelling Muslims from their holy city.
@kfir
I will respect you for fighting for your country, but just your first sentence is already striking me as dangerous and genocidal. You are assuming the entire 1 billion Arabs as your enemy.
Hamas is not holding the Muslim civilian as hostage. Do you think that Hamas could have power in the first place, when they don’t have Palestinians support? Hamas is an extreme representation of a segment of Muslim popular opinion, if I want to hook this to democracy.
Also, whose fault is it that the Palestinian children are in such a war zone? Do you expect the children to be perfectly content, when their families get killed by bombs? Israel and US are the best recruiters for terrorist groups. Do you think the only reason Palestinian hates Israel is because the Hamas is brainwashing them?
@ peteryang, your “story” proves nothing except that you and your fellow passengers are paranoid racists. I note, with some amusement, that the men you were sitting next to DIDN’T do anything.
Islam is not a violent religion any more than Christianity is. Yes, there’s violence and advocation of killing nonbelievers in the Koran; have you read the Bible lately? That stuff is in almost any old religious book (Chinese texts not so much though, actually). The vast majority of muslims are peaceful, love peace, and have no interest in blowing anyone up. You just never hear about them because “Muslim guy doesn’t do anything dangerous at all” isn’t an exciting headline for a newspaper.
this is paid for by the israeli government. dude, murder is sexy, get with it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtfPoGWS8jY
funny quote from the video: “we’re using new tools, in order to reach new audiences”. totally erases all my my concerns about them objectifying women…
do they carry jew gold?
@Peteryang
“The Kuran specifically states to eradicate Israel”????????????????????
Dude, Dude, Dude! Stop right there. At least get your stuff right, before criticizing Islam. Just like Christianity/Buddhism/Taoism/Confucianism/Judaism/etc., Islam also preaches tolerance and all that other stuff. But how can you be tolerant, when the world is not tolerant towards you and assumes that your whole religion advocates endless violence and terrorism. You seem to have a complete misunderstanding of the Koran. You don’t even know anything and yet you are babbling your mouth.
Also, learn history while you are at it. Israel is created only through forcefully expelling the Muslims. They are not defending their original land. They are the invaders.
And “foreign moral judgment” is a legitimate argument. That’s not an excuse. Although sometimes the Chinese government abuses it (since some of their practices are not acceptable in China’s own moral sphere), the whole principle of moral relativity still holds. You can not make moral judgments to some practice in some other environment when the initial assumptions are different. There are no absolute morals and your own morals are based on some arbitrary foundations. You can not decide with logic that your arbitrary foundations is more moral or better than some other culture’s arbitrary moral foundation. Their foundation is in the Koran. Your foundations is in who knows, a mix of Confucian and Liberal doctrines (Perhaps the Confucian part is almost non-existence, since you are so westernized).
@hammy
I don’t think I need to list all the passages in Quran that preach hatred toward EVERY OTHER religion.
seriously, why is islam at war with every other religion while these can live peacefully with each other??? thats says alot about its nature.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Quran-Hate.htm
@Hammy
Get a life “dude”,nobody really cares about your useless lies.Right now the jews prevail because they have military uperhand and skills.As a important part of arab strategy ,crying when beaten is a must.You want me to read my history? the Human history books states that King David built Jerusalem and Jews had a continues life within Israel thousands of years .Hamas books have however a different outlook on to history.Are they human?Are they human while taking cover behind children,are they human when they blow them self in busses and shoping centers? Nor westerns or israelis have in their agenda to kill innocents by commiting terrorist acts,hijiking planes or launching rockets deliberatly in to schools,hospitals and towns.Those who have everything to do with that are ONLY arabs.
@Hammy
” But how can you be tolerant, when the world is not tolerant towards you and assumes that your whole religion advocates endless violence and terrorism.”
It is not Jihad,(the holly war that any muslim has to do against non-muslims)preached by Kuran?That bock may as well preaches about tolerance among muslims but is a source of sorrow and trouble for human race.
For all those Islam-loving Chinese, Muslims in western China make all sorts of trouble regularly, they have a reputation of blowing buses and have killed our very fellow countrymen. they even threatened our olympics earlier last year!
I just can’t understand why some Chinese would support muslims, the only thing we want from mideast is oil and thats strictly a political deal that doesn’t involve any social connection. so shame on them, they often go anti-america or anti-japan but fail to realize the true threat at our very doorstep.
i think:
!) The Jews keep Jerusalem, the Muslims Mecca, Christians Rome
Mainly because if memory serves me right Jerusalem is Judaisms holiest site. Whereas its like number 3 on Islam’s and Christianity’s list
2) I read the Old Testament, New Testament and Koran.
The impressions I got were:
Koran – violent, with a violent leader.
Old Testament – violent. with instances of rape, genocide, slavery.
New Testament – a non-violent leader, but traces of sexism, bigotry.
The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is perhaps the most complicated of our times. I’m hardly a political expert and do not claim to know the truth, but I’ve been in both Israel and the West Bank and have experienced the situation first hand, travelling with isrealis as wel as palestinians and being held at gunpoint.
For the Israelis this is the Holy Land that was appointed to them in the Bible (reading the old testament will give you a much deeper understanding of this “appointment”). For the Palestinians it is the land they always lived in rightfully and where they were driven out of by he Zionists (please note the difference with Jews in general). It is unsolvable.
A lot of Palestinians are raised with stories of atrocities and only one reason to live for: get the land of your forefathers back. Most Jewish in Israel are raised to believe in the old testament. Nuff said.
I think that Israel’s tactical move to give the Gaza strip back to the Palestinians is in a way working out like they wanted. They knew that Palestian’s reason to live is to get their land back. As soon as they have it (or part of it) there is a big gap in their existence. Instead of focusing on ruling it correctly and trying to build the economy they use it as a base to attack Israel. This gives Israel a reason to attack it as a country (and have an official war) but more importantly it showed the world that Palestinians are not capable of ruling even a small area and are therefore not worthy of ruling present day Israel. (Of course this is from an Israeli standpoint).
@ Peteryang
I strongly urge you to read the old testament. In there you will find as much violence as in the Quran and also in the Bible God tells the Jews to slay everybody that does not believe in God the Jewish way (since everybody believes in the same God), assisted by God’s flaming sword.
At the time of writing of these documents this was necessary to survive and gain influence.
Traveling to the Middle East on a regular basis I also have religious discussions on a regular basis (being the friendly but slightly provoking guy that I am). I find that in general Islam is a quite peaceful religion not that much different from Christianity. Indeed (like stated in this forum before) problems lie with extremists. Also please note that Islam is different in every country, much like there are so many different streams in Christianity.
Difference lies in the following:
- Islam is still much more intermixed with politics. This makes for very visible results.
- Although it differs per region and believer Islam is relatively strict about not changing the text of the Quran and the literal interpretation of it. This results in a lot of values and morals being outdated (in this aspect I agree with Peteryang). Islam does often not take into account influences of planes, internet, modern medicine, etc. because they were simply not there at the time of writing.
This does make Islam not a barbaric religion (on the contrary I find it usually most courteous and hospitable), but it makes it a bit of an outdated one.
Due to the mix with politics and the outdated interpretation of Islam, western and Israeli presence in the Middle East is not only infringing on national pride but also on religious beliefs. Martyrs simply believe that they are serving God (Allah) in the best way they can.
In many places in the Arab world a clash between a long overdue update in interpretation and more literal interpretations now develops (with as a front runner, Dubai of course…and probably Beirut before that).
Like Takuan Soho said: “Reading a cookbook does not still your hunger”
It is very hard to understand this situation without thoroughly experiencing it.
@Kai
Kai, where are you in all this? I always appreciate your comments. Back home for CNY?
@wuxia
thanks for the clerification, I think you basically pointed out the problems with Islam: outdated, meddle with politics and extremists.
I absolutely despise governments ruling using religion, it is a genocide to social diversity which is the very foundation of technological and economic development. America did the greatest thing by separating church from school or else it would just be one poor continent.
and I agree with your thoughts on Gaza, Palestinians wanted it so badly and finally got it but just to end up being unable to govern, I mean its both ridiculous and hilarious. not only Hamas cannot offer them peace and better living, they use it as a military base and train suicide bombers from its very citizens, I mean this isn’t a GOVERNMENT this is just CRIME.
thanks again wuxia, I love to hear more about your experience in Gaza.
you guys can argue for and against islam all you like. but from personal experiences, i don’t look too highly to these people and i, among many, would certainly not miss them if and when they are gone.
yes you may call my views prejudiced, but i also genuinely i hope to be proven wrong, but so far everything ive seen simply strengthens my beliefs. and no im not talking about the media, im talking about the things ive seen with my own eyes, talks with people ive met and ordeals ive personally experienced.
instead of crying fowl every chance they get, muslims should get off their arse and actually improve themselves first.
They are young, hot, and love to kill Palestinians!!!!
http://www.serialno3817131.com/serialno6.html
@ wuxia:
No, just been busy. I just tried reading some of this debate but after a few comments, I almost shot myself in the temple from how unbelievably ignorant they were. I ended up skipping down over some comments (clutching the gaping hole in my head) but did read most of your comment. It is, by far, one of the more reasonable and informed comment thus far, though I might disagree with a few points.
The simple fact is that both Jew and Arab have reasonable and historical ties to the land. Their attachment to their land is also contextually understandable.
Religion is just one subtype of ideology and ideology itself can always be dangerous when exploited. There really isn’t much difference between attacking a country in the name of Islam or in the name of liberal democracy or, to make sure no one feels too self-righteous, in the name of emancipating the serfs.
I can go on and on verbally abusing much of the comments here but I really don’t want to right now. The rampant misconceptions, ignorance, and self-assured idiocy is a bit overwhelming. I’m going to escape to another post now. Cheers.
@ Peteryang
You are welcome, although I think I might not have expressed my main point the way I intended it to be expressed.
All problems in the Middle East have two sides. Zionists and Palestinians both have reasons they unconditionally believe in to be in the same area. Both are committing crimes towards each other (the situation on the West Bank is not pretty and Palestinians are basically in a oversized prison).
Yes, INTERPRETATION of Islam is sometimes outdated but also often very modern. The religion itself is not very different from any other religion.
It strikes back to “the West” (including Israel) in violent ways because the West invaded them violently.
Because religion and politics are intermixed (a cultural value that we are hardly allowed to judge, especially Americans who make laws against abortian and gay marriage) they and we connect the violence against the West with Islam, but were Islam not there, the violence might still happen but under other pretenses.
Basically I think your views on Islam are limited and unnuanced.
Islam is integrated with the problems in the Middle East but not the source. The source is people with a one sided view.
@ Kai
Thank you Kai. I totally agree as I already expressed in the post above (before reading your post).
@ Peteryang
Please also note that I was in the West Bank and not in the Gaza strip. World of difference at the moment.
It’s funny to see how people are reacting to this. What a lot of people seem to forget is that not so long ago, there was no separation of church and state in Christian countries either. Didn’t christian people burn, drown and decapitate heretics not so long ago?
@ Peter, have you ever been to the West of China? I have, and I thought it was an extremely interesting and genuinely relaxed place. Sure, there are people who are acting violent towards the Chinese government, but that is not out of their religious beliefs, it’s because of their political views. If you would use your logic, Tibetans would be religious extremists as well.
@Peter (again): Have you actually read the Quran? I don’t think it asks for the demolition of Israel. If you’d do some research, you’d find out that the Islam isn’t necessarily any worse than one of the other religions. In fact, you might argue that judaism, islam and chrisianity are the same religions with different semantics. Whatever the case, suicide bombing, strange as it may sound, is not a problem of religion, it is a problem of fundamentalism. ANY form of fundamentalism is bad, regardless of its reasons. The sad fact is that poverty is the perfect environment to breed fundamentalism, and obviously, the states surrounding Israel aren’t especially rich… Don’t underestimate the jealousy these people are feeling (I would be jealous too!). And Hammy is right, it wasn’t the best move of Britain’s government to set up the Israeli state in the middle of a densely populated Muslim region in 1948…
I don’t understand people that say Islam doesn’t work at all. There are countries where church and state are separated, and there are rich Muslim countries (Brunei, Dubai, Abu Dhabi,…).
hei guys
the argue will be never stopped, the lives are losing.
forgiveness is the only way out,
wish we can have more Nelson Mandela in this world,
I think its time to get back to the girls.
nelson mandela was a terrorist who with his group violated many human rights against civilians in their armed struggle against the government.
@ Peteryang:
Yes, Staying true to my screen name, I can fully appreciate the intermixing aspects of martial culture with the female gender.
@ samael,
against the government??? it was apartheid evil, the racialist government in the world.
@Wim
…wasn’t apartheid a Dutch word??
;-)
It s till is :) Filthy English-speaking people stole it from our language!
@FangFang
im not sure what your point is, apathetic or not, it was the government of South Africa.
oops stupid spell check i meant apartheid-ic , not apathetic lol
if you dont know the history of SA, please dont not judge
apparently we have a SA historian here. pray please enlighten the ignorant masses o wise and knowledgeable fangfang
@Samael
I am a south african. A black one at that. do not make comments on issues you apparently know nothing about. the system of apartheid was evil. and it lasted up to 1990. Do not try to belittle what Mandela stood and stands for.
Your bigotry is there for all to see. You probably think hitler’s actions were justified too (he was elected democratically) Oh wait, because it happened to jews it makes that case special. Grow a pair you bigot.
mandela himself criticized his party’s actions during the period of struggle and opposed any moves to remove such mentions from SA history.
that is why he is respected. Don’t insult him and what he stood for.
mandela himself criticized his party’s actions during the period of struggle and opposed any moves to remove such mentions from SA history.
that is why he is respected. Don’t insult him and what he stood for.
yea..thats why i have a screename taken from the talmud. great logic there. grow a brain retard.
oh i almost forgot
is it me, or does that sound like a chinese netizen getting their panties all up in a bunch over foreigners comments on their country? LOL
Peteryang said : “tell you a little story of mine, few years ago I took a flight from New Zealand to China, sitting right besides me were two muslim men, for the whole 11 hours of the flight I had to keep my eyes on them, fearing they’d blow everyone up, and I noticed almost all surrounding passengers had the same nervous look.”
Please please tell me this is a joke!
Silky smooth.
Disco Disco!
@Samael
*facepalm* “chinese”?
*sigh* three posts that have nothing to do with the topic under discussion. Sorry for swiftboating your Mandela maneuver.
hey i didn’t start this, nor did ask you to wade in. but its good to see u getting off before this goes any further.
Timothy McVeigh was a Christian and tied his acts of terrorism to Christianity yet… I don’t remember the Muslim world, or any other place for that matter, starting to demonize Christians or generalizing that they must all be terrorists. People who make blanket comments about certain religions having terrorists but not theirs, or certain countries having terrorists but not theirs need to pick up a newspaper or read a friggin book. Israel was founded with terrorism, as was the United States… maybe we like to change the name to revolutionary, guerilla, or freedom fighter… it just ends up being which side you are on, whether you win or not, and who writes the history books.
I’m quite sure that British bears most of guilt on this issue. As same as in India-Pakistan. Every where they draw a border, a war is permanent state. Don’t forget their role on Tibet.
Isreali’s tell me that the short-barreled M 16 is sexier compared to the long barrel and that Galil’s are for losers. Undoubtedly the TAR will be a fashion hit when it becomes general issue.
Righteous Chinese talking about the war.
Two Videos(in Chinese)
http://v.blog.sohu.com/u/vw/2186280
http://v.blog.sohu.com/u/vw/2194195
well the M16 r on the american tax payer, a kyke wud say that
@Mike
no they dont demonize christians, they simply convert or kill them. its really a much simpler process to be honest. demonzing others is such a wasteful excerise.
My 2cents,
As a Malaysian born chinese, I’ve seen what life is like under a majority muslim rule. Call Malaysia a democracy is you like, but when racial and religion is mixed into politics, it’s really hard living life always trying to appease a good portion of the population who might suddenly switch into “Allahu Akhbar” mode when someone challenges their assumption. That even goes for my Indian friend who has lived in Abu Dhabi for 20 years.
I’ve seen how arabs can glass someone in a bar in Malaysia (yep he was drinking all right… and the malay muslims still worship them to no end..); and claim diplomatic immunity when the police came. The police instead went after the girl who he glassed and her friends and detained them on suspicion that they were prostitutes..
I;ve also had the opportunity to have dealt with some of my company’s so called arab “business partners” in Saudi. Lets just say they taught me alot about dealing with people who do not like to honour their contract because they feel entitled not to pay up and it’s always someone elses (i.e. “our”) fault that the project did not run on time (even if it was their local bureaucracy who are always putting our application in the “too hard” bin, and they didn’t even bother to extend a hand)
It’s always the Jews and their american allies who are oppressing the arab world… Its always the arab world against the superior technology of the Zionists who are killing their children (who were conveniently there for Them..)..
Oh and their death toll is higher… hence they are the righteous faction…as the Jews only lost a few people to their rocket shelling….
Oh and please do not mention to us about how the arab-backed janjaweed is running around Sudan raping and pillaging civilians.. It’s not a genocide! is an internal issue!
Seriously, if the Jews actually rule the world… it’s still way better than arabs leading it.
Plus I’ve learnt alot about the Jews after spending time with a Jewish family in Australia. Like us chinese, they actually do value education and hard work. The land that was purchased from the arabs in 1948 for the Jews were actually pretty swampy and useless by “arab” standards… but the Jewish people have made it into one of the most productive regions in the middle east…Is it any wonder why the Jews (or the Nanyang Chinese) so hated by the Muslims? Most muslims I’ve met have an “entitlement” mentality… My friend in Dubai has seen it, I’ve seen it in Malaysia, Australia, Britain and the Netherlands.
It’s always “our” fault that we’re hardworking and better off while they reporduce like nobody’s business and prefer to languish in slums living off government stipend (Australia or even back in good old United Arab Emirates). No progress achieved..
The world should wisen up and ignore the incessant sympathy sobs from the Arab world and let them sort it out themselves. The arab states have always pledged help to Palestine… but it’s still a dumphole as always. Oh but I forgot… an self respecting Gulf Citizen aka arab in a better of country wouldn’t even want to eat on the same table with a Palestinian refugee… they’re just convenient tools to recruit bleeding heart western liberals as pawns for the arab crusade against the “evil” Zionist State.
I invite these bleeding heart left wing westerners to live with their kids under islamic rule for 18 years and would like to hear what they have to say after that.
Samael,
Your flipant response is simplistic and insincere. Please tell me in which country converting and killing Christians happens on a daily basis? Afghanistan doesn’t count.
Do you have anything to say about Israel being founded by Zionist terrorists, I mean freedom fighters? How is much of the anti-Israel “terrorism” any different from that? Please explain.
@Mike
Bosnia and Kosovo. Try to bear cross around your neck in any Arab city.
@Mike
israel was only founded because the bunch of selfish arab retards around palestine was more concerned with a free-for-all land grab than actually help their own people out. and now everybody is crying fowl when they realise their camel army cant do shit in a real war. those fuckers deserve it. i do feel sorry for the palestinians though, too bad they had to be arabs.
does my previous comment sound insincere? prabably, but that dosnt take away the fact that its the general gist of muslim mentality thats running out there. i think our malaysian friend up there has already elaborated on that so i will not waste my time.
try living in the real world and stop getting an your information from mainstream media. maybe they u wont sound like such a self-righteous half-wit
oh and heres the kicker:
you know i absolutely love the logic you are working with there, ‘oh we can do it because they did it first!’. so how are israelis and arabs any different now? please explain.
My only concern is that they are carrying the M16A2, which is a POS. At least give them an M4. But, I agree. There is something sexy about a woman with a gun. Especially when they look so delicate.
I hope (so it doesn’t kill my fantasy) is that Israeli Women doen’t act like the Jewish (American Princess) in South Florida (Palm Beach). That would be a total turnoff. Plus, I wouldn’t trust a J.A.P. with a gun.
Actually these pictures are rather old. Israeli IDF now generaly carry a Galil or Tavor both Israel designed and built weapons
I’m also impressed that they carry what appears to be 2 loaded magazines with them (And they aren’t in the gun). That seems like a good enough safety precaution.
@effez
‘the World is Flat’ addresses muslims apparently sense of entitlement quite well IMO, i think you should give it a read. although it might be a little apologist for your liking but its a good analysis nonetheless.
@Samael
Do you know who the author is for “the world is flat”? I’ve done a google. but the results were kinda random
I’ll give it a read anyways.. interesting to obtain another persons insight no matter how much I may disagree with him/ her.
Cheers
@effez
the World is Flat by Thomas L. Friedman
the book is actually about globalisation, so it has bit of an economic slant, but it has a nice section addressing why muslims r always so angry, and explores globalisation in the islamic world (among others) through out the book.
and heres a passage from the book that i think is very relevant to what you yalked about in ur post:
Those women be fatale femmes! With threat of Hamas, they need guns.
Imagine the influx of Asain male tourists if these women start a protection agency for tourists!
Men have testoterone and women have pms. It all balance out.
Men can play a bad game of chess, as well.
Samael,
I used no such logic. Your comments suggest you are anti-Palestine because they are terrorists and I am pointing out your hypocrisy since the founders of Israel used terrorism themselves against the Brits and locals. You are the one saying it’s okay for the Jews but not for the Muslims. With your shoot down previously regarding Mandella, I assumed you would have a more balanced view of how Israel was founded. I have expressed no support of any side and have only asked questions that have obviously got you a little pissed off. Since you have magically deduced I get my news from the “mainstream media”, please tell me where you get your news? The same sources that tell you Arab is synonomous with Muslim? The J-Post? Haaretz? Not likely. Seems you might not even read the news and are just omnipotent, you are obviously are so well traveled and have been to so many countries and lived in so many places and have known intimantly so many people that you can make over-arching vague generalizations about people you’ve never even met. Finally, to alot of outsiders it might even be difficult to distinguish between one set of self-righteous, Semetic religious nuts from another.
@miketard
lol pissed off? why would i be pissed of? i live half the world away, i couldnt care less what the fuck is happening over there. as long as the refugees keep making them tasty kebabs and pides, im content.
in any case, u seem quite apt at twisting my words and inserting whatever assumptions you like into my statements. the only feeling that can describe my reaction to ur comment is confusion. where did i say i was anti-palestine? where did i say its ok for jews to use terrorism? where did i even MENTION jews and terrorism? and anyway, i seem to have answered your ONLY question (you know, the one about terrorists/freedom fighters) quite well, so i have no idea why the hell u would think it pissed me off
and, yes u did you such logic, i don’t recall u condemning islamic terrorism in any of the comments so far (in fact you tried to justify it by saying its really no different to israeli ‘terrorism’), and yet hasn’t hesitate in proclaiming the less than noble beginnings of israel. havent taken sides? i suggest u to reconsider that statement buddy.
of course arabs arnt synonymous with islam, i mean only like what, only 90% of them are muslim right? OH GENERALISATION BE DAMNED! please forgive my disregard for nit-picky details, especially when we are talking about an arab-islamic area.
tell me something mike, have you met everyone in the world? did you travel through every muslim country in the world? did you talk to everyone there? do you read every news source thats out there?
oh yea, i had another read of one of your previous posts and found this gold nugget:
yea? are you a regular reader of arabic/muslim and/or non-western news and literature? why are u going around waving such a generalised view like you are the authority on the matter? apparently you can do it but others cant huh? LOL HYPOCRISY MUCH?
finally, its not very hard to deduce where u get ur information from. not when u peddle around views repeated by every other person out there.
Unfortunately mike looks like your views of islam are based on the romianticist versions of noble arab princes and honor bound families; that all races are equal and so on so forth. Unfortunately Reality is far from the truth. While you might be entitled to your opinion about the Palestinian conflict, I would respectfully suggest that you live in countries that are run by arab muslims. or better yet countries that are run by “wannabe” arabs like Malaysia or Pakistan.
You might receive much better treatment in such countries if you’re of caucasian decent; but do take a look at how other ethnic groups are treated; especially the south Asians and the Africans; and you’ll get a very different picture about muslim run societies. Let’s just say at this point, all their claims about arabs being discriminated against fly out of the window as the victim is very much now the perpetrator.
Effez,
Please explain where in my comments I supported Islam. I was just pointing out the demonization of Muslims because of terrorism perpetrated by so-called-Muslims was very different than reactions to “Christian” terrorists.
Samael,
Maybe I miscommunicated, so I’ll clear it up. I’m against all terrorism and was responding to what I percieved to be ignorant biggoted comments in general on the board. Every religion has its nuts. History goes through cycles. Every religion, even Buddhism, has had its times of violence and intolerence. Islam is in no way the most violent religion. Also, about generalizations, for those Arabs who are Jews, Christians, Ba’hai-ists, Zoarastrians, and aetheists, being branded a Muslim just because they are Arab, does that help the situation, add more knowledge and understanding, or does it simplify and create less tolerance and more bigotry?
Enlighted,
Which cities in Bosnia are Arab?
Finally, I’d just like to point out, for humor’s sake, that I posted the awesome link to the original site for those photos!
@ Mike
you did that? Kudos man.
@Effez
all religions are oppressive in one way or another. and can very easily be used to repress the people.
btw I like your suggestion. the question IS would you agree for your child to grow up in such and such a society?
@Samael
whatever you were saying I dont care much for it. vulgarity in a post is always a sign of weakness and immaturity.
You people are f$%^ing crazy!
These are just girls with guns, nothing more than that.
I’ve been to the Israeli army for 3 year, enough to know they use these weapons only in shooting ranges and never to shoot an actual person, that job is left for the male soldiers.
Woman soldiers never go to the actual fighting areas, they are left on the outer circle.
So you can stop all your fantasies about girls with guns shooting guys in the head :)
wasap?
@Mike
Sarajevo. It isn’t Arab, but it is Muslim.
Enlighted… you suggested it was Arab. Arab and Muslim are as different Indian and Hindu.
Let me clear one thing I’ve seen, heard and read in news and by people is that “Terrorists don’t have any religion, I REPEAT “terrorists don’t have any fucking religion. No religion preaches to blow yourself.
And 9/11 was an insight job, folks! THats the thing “power of government” Government can do whatever propaganda they make. And they don’t aren’t questioned.
When any person got powerful job, or any thing like high profile, almost 80 % think bad, make fucking agendas or any other possible thing a bad person can think about being good in front of people.
Fights always happen when both parties think they are right! then comes survival of the fittest. <— Used to be a last resort for a while, but now… huh! What to comment.
Lets skip to the next post.
A sentence we say in Israel that make you all understand :
”
When the Arabs put away the arms, will be no more wars.
When Israel put away the army, will be no more Israel. ”
Sadly, but it’s true.
The Jews aren’t the only faction in danger of being extinguished. In the Old Testament, Elijah enacted genocide against all Baal priests. Baal was a fertility god whose name meant “lord.”
Religion has been killing other religions for thousands of years. Don’t just be hoodwinked. Read about the seriousness of the situation in The Crisis of Islam. Or the Bible itself, holy book that it be. The book Jezebel tells an account of it as well.
That’s why I appreciate China. They seem to say enough of this religious warfare! Let’s work on survival!
When a country is founded on military might alone, the army can’t ever be put away.
Wu i wish i could get my hands on you and maby do to you what hitler did to my people
Eli,
So, you can’t use your brain or your words to counter his argument… then it must be violence. Hilarious and pathetic.
@Eli
You already have done to me what Hitler do to you. That be god-damn point! :(
@Mike
Arabs are Muslims. Muslims in Bosnia are Muslims. Main financier of Muslims in Bosnia are Saudi Arabia. Many Arab dogs-of-war holds key positions in Muslim part of Bosnia. They are Wahabies. Saudi Arab king is Wahabi and he is main sponsor of wahabies around the world.
Arab and Muslim are as different Indian and Hindu.
Ha-Ha. Native Americans and Hindu doesn’t share same religion, nor India financing pro-Hindu activities in USA of Native Americans with aim to make all of the USA population Shiva worshipers and loyals of Saudi King.
I hope China pays attention to the Muslims living in Xinjiang.
Muslims in the Philippines – fighting/war
Muslims in India – fighting/war
Muslims in Serbia – fighting/war
Muslims in Nigeria – fighting
Muslims in the Darfur – fighting/war
Muslims in Pakistan – fighting/war
Muslims in Afghanistan – fighting/war
Muslims in Indonesia – fighting/war
Muslims in Iran – fighting/war
Muslims in Israel – fighting/war
Muslims in Lebenon – fighting/war
Muslims in Somalia – fighting/war/piracy
Muslims in Iraq – war
Are there any places where Muslims live in peace? Is there such a thing as a non-violent Muslim/
Israel, protect yourself. No one else will.
Everyone observe a moment of silence.
lol.. i am from israel and this is truth we got all the beautiful girls all over the WORLD!!!
israel’s women ? what a great ! they’re riel satanic in the world !
If I was surrounded by Zionist supporting Jews, I would also carry a gun. Two actually. No…actually more than two. BTW, there are lots of Zionist agents on this blog. Watch out for skewed opinions – hate mongering and swaying the popular Chinese opinion through pro-zionist Jewish agenda. These satanic agents who have lost their fear of God and cannot be allowed to continue their hate spreading and war mongering. Their hatred inflicted via proxy is really starting to get people down and these damned Jews just dont seem to be able to live in this world in peace with everyone else. If you are here promoting the Zionistic agenda, spreading hate and promoting killing, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. If you are not now, you will soon.
All this ignorant hate towards the jews is really funny coming from someone who lives in a strictly controlled society where the government only lets you see the news they approve. Please shut up.
Do you know that this little tiny country-Israel is one of the most developed countries all over the world.
Tell me how many new technologies have been developed in China in the last 50 years ?
I will give you the answer. None.
Do you know that Israel is the country where the drip irrigation technology was developed/ that the ICQ was developed . That this small country (7 millions people ) has developed the usb ,the disc on key etc etc .
That this smal country is on of the very few countries that send satellites to space and has the nuclear power under control..
All this was done in spite of the fact that this country is surronded by muslim countries that want to destroy it .
Israel id\s one of the very few countries that has a real productive cooperation with PRC. I srael has established Agricultural demonstration farms in China and hundred of Chinese people have visited and trained there .
Its easy to develop with American money and weapons!
Sorry I have made a mistake
Hundres tousands people have visited and tousands were trained in the Demonstration farms
Ami
To the benefit of the readers I m going to give some more information about the contribution of Israel to the world:
The cell phone was developed in Israel.
Voice mail technology was developed in Israel,
The pentium Chip technology was designed in Israel/The israels economy is larger than all of its neighbors combined .
Israel has one of the largest cooperation programs with about 100 countries in giving technical assiastance and training people .
and more and more
Ami
The cell phone was developed in Israel.
No, it is developed by Motorola
The pentium Chip technology was designed in Israel
No, pentium(tm) is Intel’s trademark. It is evolution (better said, 5th generation) of x86 architecture.
has developed the usb
Usb is joint effort of Intel, Compaq, Microsoft, Digital, IBM, and Northern Telecom.
DiskOnChip is Israeli product, but flash memory is invented in Japan.
Although, Israel in deed made significant contribution in science, high-tech, medicine, agriculture….
Let me contradict you
The Pentium MMX chip technology was designed in Israel ay Intel / Both the Pentium -4 microprocessor and the Centerino processor were entirely designed, developed and produced in Israel/
I am continuing in my contradiction toKrdr
The Cell phone was developed in Israel by Israelis working in the Israeli branch of Motorola which has its largest development center in Israel.
Most of Windows NT and XPoperating systems were developed By Microsoft Israel.
“The Cell phone was developed in Israel by Israelis working in the Israeli branch of Motorola which has its largest development center in Israel.”
One of the first mobile phone systems was MTS which was used to make calls in 1946 in US, when Israel as a state hasn’t even been founded yet.
Motorola Israel was founded in 1964, while Sweden had commercial mobile phone network in 1956.
Motorola DynaTAC mobile phone prototype made first public phonecall in 1973, while Finland had commercial mobile phone network in 1971 which reached 100% nationwide coverage in 1978.
First wide coverage commercial cellular network in US was AMPS (which Motorola DynaTAC used) which was introduced in 1983 (also first cellular network in Israel where introduced in 1986), while commercial NMT (Nordic Mobile Telephone) cellular network was introduced in 1981, first in Saudi Arabia and a month after than Sweden and Norway, and in Denmark and Finland in 1982.
I know Israel is highly R&D country, but get your facts straight.
Some additional facts about Israel
Israel has highest ratio of university degrees to the population in the world.
Israel produces more scientific papers per capita than any other nation by a large margin.
Israel has the largest number of startup companies in the world in absolute terms except the USA.
3000 HIGH TECH COMPANIES AND STSART -UPS
ONLY USA IN THE SILLICON-VALLIE HAS MORE, BUT A GREAT PART OF THE SCIENTIST THERE ARE ISRAELIS.
Israel has more museums per capita than any other country .
If any one will request more facts I will gladly give .
I was just pointing out the demonization of Muslims because of terrorism perpetrated by so-called-Muslims was very different than reactions to “Christian” terrorists.
A Christian terrorist … Timothy McVeigh was your only example. Not that I’m not saying there aren’t a few others, but you don’t have the preponderance of examples you find with Muslims. You can find a half dozen Muslim suicide bombers in a day if you check the news.
Muslims are pretty much the only geopolitical organization that believes that blowing yourself up with as many innocent people as you can take with you constitutes acceptable warfare.
Now I’m not saying all Muslims agree with these tactics. But there is enough complicity that it continues. And there are obviously enough people doing this that it must be addressed. Muslims know the mosques that are recruiting, training, and using suicide bombers. Do you think if McVeigh, instead of blowing up that building, had started a school to teach and train other people to do it, that it would be allowed to exist?
It’s a cycle where terrible conditions make it easy to find people willing to die, and the leaders deliberately do nothing to improve conditions in order to maintain their hold on power, blaming “the oppressors” for all the failings of their society, and sending more suicide bombers out. Because when you’re life is shit, you haven’t got much to lose.
Why would the corrupt leaders do anything to change the status quo?
Which cities in Bosnia are Arab?
It’s still Muslim v. Christian violence, inspired (and/or required, depending on your interpretation) by the Koran. He did generalize that all Arabs were Muslim, so I can understand your confusion, but the statement in dispute was that the Koran instructed Muslims to kill people from other religions.
the question IS would you agree for your child to grow up in such and such a society?
I would shit my pants if I had to live under Sharia. Or any state-sponsored religious law. They’re all fucking nuts in my opinion.
And 9/11 was an insight job, folks!
Trey Parker and Matt Stone said it best: “It was only the world’s most intricate and flawlessly-executed plot ever, ever.” Do you really think that every single person approached about the plan agreed with it wholeheartedly? That American reporters … all of them… would sit on the biggest story of the century? Do you really think our government is that damn good?
Or is it more likely that a group of hijackers took advantage of our policy of appeasement to catch us with our pants down?
BTW, there are lots of Zionist agents on this blog.
How can you tell someone is a Zionist agent? Does it simply mean disagreement about Israel? Frankly I hope the lot of you, every last one fighting over the “holy land”, Jews and Muslims alike, blow themselves up. You’re all retarded, and your religions have held back mankind for a thousand thousand years.
You don’t even see the irony of fighting for god? Don’t you think, if he really wanted something done, he couldn’t just do it himself, probably much better? You’re fighting a war because some man told you to. Maybe he even wrote a book, it’s still just a man. Nothing special/better than anyone else. Don’t you think, if god really wanted you to do something, he couldn’t at least whisper it in your ear? Why don’t you deserve to hear god’s word? Because some man told you you’re not worthy? Fuck that, man.
bin Laden is this great holy leader. He had a chance to become a martyr when he was cornered in Tora Bora. He had a chance to practice what he preaches, to go gloriously to god and to his deserved reward. Instead he imposed upon the Pashtun codes of hospitality to get his ass the fuck out of Dodge.
The Cell phone was developed in Israel by Israelis working in the Israeli branch of Motorola which has its largest development center in Israel.
Most of Windows NT and XPoperating systems were developed By Microsoft Israel.
You got your information from FLAME (Facts and Logic about the Middle East), right? I can’t find any other reference to Israel’s involvement that doesn’t begin or link back to there. And there is no mention of individuals or references to validate it.
But on the other hand every other source says that the first hand-held cell phone was invented by Motorola in 1973 in the United States of America. Dr. Martin Cooper, an American born in Chicago, is the inventor listed on the patent that was used to register the device.
Every other one of their claims is equally dubious.
Jayman, if you believe the conflict currently taking place in the Middle East is purely one of Islam and Judaism, you have neither been to the region nor educated yourself on the topic properly. In which case, I’d ask you not to comment or insult so many people. The internet doesn’t need one more armchair diplomat/theologist/philosopher.
Oy vey, I think I’m getting a Woody!
i think girls with is funny cause it looks like thay think thay are so cool
it makes them look cuite
First of all: Who says they are Jewish.
And secondly, even if you think you know they are, they obviously do not have a proper Jewish upbringing. It would be nice for interested Jews to see: http://www.Shofar.net – a great site for learning about Judaism. They have a lot of interesting videos. Click on ‘translated videos’ on the top bar.
The girls are Israeli girls and in many cases they are taking very responsible positions .The fact that they are beutiful and sexy is an advantage in itself .
Do not listen to the Jews. They are using stupid tactics to control the world.
They drove Britain to the ground, now they’re driving the US to the ground. Do not listen to the Jews.
Mr Billy Joel
You are simply an antisemic guy.
The fact that PEOPLE LIKE YOU EXIST BRINGS US TO FIGHT FOR OUR EXISTENSE .
YOUR TEACHERS ARE THE NAZIS AND I WONDER WHY YOU ARE PERMITTED TO THROW YOUR TRASH HERE .
HYPOCRISY at its finest. Jews support open carry of “assault rifles” but cry about “gun control” in US, a country they inhabit as scornful aliens.
Mr Bob
Can you compare the conditions of Israel to the conditions of US.
Have you ever been under the suicide attacks from fanatic moslems ? Have you ever been under a continues shelling ?
Hundere of tousands of people live for years in these conditions and you are talking about hypocrysi?
ami
Pavlovian Conditioning from the Israeli-War-Machine.
Pay a bunch of models to walk around with guns on their backs. I’m sure the goyim masses are jerking off as I write. lmao
Most Israeli girls look like hermaphrodites, Asian girls are much cuter, I think you’ll agree. :)
The Israeli_War_Machine likes to conduct what they call ” soft propaganda ” campaigns, which are intended to win support for their ethnic cleansing of the Arab population from Israel. This is a key component of the zionist ideology, which powerful people like Ariel Sharon and Menachim Begin have stated on many occasions.
Everybody saw how the IDF told lies to defend themselves during the last round of ethnic cleansing in Gaza.
When they blew up a UN refugee compound, they claimed that they had been under attack from mortar shells, which they claimed were coming from that very same UN compound.
A few days later, the UN rejected these claims and subsequently, the Israelis retracted the claim- why?
They made it up, that’s why. They lied to protect themselves from criticism within the media and their tactic proved very effective.
It did, however, prove that the IDF told a lie, and if they do it once, what is to stop them from doing it hundreds of times, as I know they have done?
If you want to support a War Machine that uses the jewish and palestinian people as sacrificial lambs in their attempt to strengthen their political and financial agenda, that’s up to you.
The IDF preys on ignorance, which is why their supporters are usually lacking in the brain department and are victims to the subtle propaganda.
We are always taught about propaganda in communist societies but in western societies, prop. is carried out by private financial interests as opposed to the government aqnd people in western societies are dumbed down to incredible levels.
This ignorance is the biggest and most powerful weapon at the disposal of the War Machine.
I’ve seen better looking guns before.
So everyone is in military service? Must everyone one be legiyimate target to enemies?
You can say what you want about the guns but those Israeli girls are HOT!!!!!!
To Lee
Not only the girls or any other doldier but the civil population that lives peacefully in cities and agricultural setelments in south of Israel near Gaza region and the suiciders come and kill themselves and innocent people including children and the Hamas is throwing shells all the time.
No other place in the world lives under a constand mortars and in such a situation.
And after that there are people that condemn us for making the Military operation in Gaza….
First of all Israel is a very safe place to be. There is less violence and crime than in the U.S. People walk at all hours of the night. Shooting deaths dont happen very often and private ownership of weapons is not large as it is in the US. Although people check your bags and purses when you go into big public areas, its no different than walking around in the US. As for people carrying weapons, yes you do see it but its not like everyone is walking around with one. The reason you see them carrying it is that that they are responsible for their weapons and leaving it a home and having it stolen is not an excuse they can use
AS for the person who compared Palestinian terrorist to those Israelis who fought the English , no one is saying that the founding Israelis were all innocent and perfect and didnt kill anyone, on the other hand, they didn’t blow up discos, pizza parlors, buses, restaurants, religious ceremonies, children, people in wheelchairs, hijack cruise ships, hijack airplanes, kill Olympic athletes, blowup airplanes, attack airports and other nasty stuff. Yes, one Israeli faction put a bomb in the King David hotel in Jerusalem and then told the hotel to evacuate. When Israel was created this group was forcefully disbanded by the Israeli government and their ship carrying armaments was blown up by the Israeli army. Yes its leader did eventually become the PM of Israel but he was democratically elected and had turned his back on violence years in 1946
Finally, Israel had since 1948 tried to make peace withe the Arabs. AFter the 6 day war, Israel offered all of the captured land back to the Arabs in return for a full peace. The arabs refused sand came up with a great answer “no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it.”
Now that the Arabs realized they cant destroy Israel, now they want everything. They got Gaza which was taken over by a Islamic terrorist Hamas and now its a staging area for missle launcher. The irony is that the areas that the Israelis lived (which was destroyed by the Israelis) and grew tons of agriculture (given to the PA intact) is where hey launch the missiles from.
This is awesome. Hot Jewish women carrying high powered rifles… It doesn’t get any sexier than this. I would love to visit Israel some time.
And to all those saying that this is horrible, please keep your ignorant hate filled comments to yourself until you know at least the basics about Israel. And no, I am neither Jewish nor Israeli.
With Love, from Texas
fuck israil….funck jewish……
GOD bless HITLER….
fuck Israel , , , , n Israely girls u all walcome , , , one more thng one day israel will be hell for all jewish cock sucks
Jewish girls with guns! Oh yeah!
What will they think of next, asian girls with grenades?
To read some of the comments here and to munderstand what antisemitism means.
The days when the Jewish people were exterminated in crematorioums during the holocast will never come again .
We have the means to protect ourselves and we despise people like some of the comentators here.
It is very significative to read what the arab mad commented here “god bless hitler”
That are the people we fight against them …..
I wonder if it is not right to arase some words (as a matter of fact curses) that appear in some reactions.
I despise the people that talk and write like that and the only reason that in my opinion can jusify the apearance of their curses is that it makes a good srvice to us Jewish and Israelis ,it shows who are they…..
Chinese man with their stupid pride. Seems like the men really can;t take it when their women can stand on their own and fight back as equal, even killing them.
I read an article that Israeli commanders hate females in the military becuz they complain that female soldiers distracted the male counterpart. I guess this is the reason why? lol
You can not trust ANY Muslim.. They can lie and decieve with impunity it is in their Quran it is called AL-TAQUIYA. They are mandated to lie and decieve. Remember the Quran says that Muslims can not make friends with non Muslims.. so the ones who become friends with non Muslims are either Heretics to Islam or they are practicing AL-TAQUIYA and planing on how to commit horredous terrorism against you later on
Israel!
I love you hot girls of the Israeli Nation.