Nanjing Traffic Officer Dares To Stop A Military Car

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From Mop, “China’s more handsome traffic police brother (Police VS 南K)“:

This morning at 10am, passed by the Nanjing Sun Yat-Sen Memorial Qianhu Road entrance, and saw a traffic police officer blocking a car with military license plates for running a red light! The military car would not listen to advice!

“Nanjing K” is the military prefix on the Chinese license plate of the black car. Comments on Mop:

Never encountered this kind of police officer, I commend him, the first time I commend a police officer. To sum up what I think of police officers, only four words: “Sons of a bitches.”

Human flesh search them, drag these two people out and put them to death.

I used to not think highly of our traffic police brothers, but after this incident, I will look at them different. Apparently the world does have some good traffic police officers!

So, just because you hang a military license plate, you are so great? Is the Nanjing military subarea also so great? Many people better than you stop for red lights, but you are too great to do so! Everyone expose him! Human flesh search him! I look down upon these kind of people the most!

I am a little afraid if that traffic officer does not handle this carefully, he will be laid off… Of course, it is also possible that traffic officer’s connections are even stronger…haha This is just how China is…

I hope the entire country’s traffic officers will learn from him.

Even though I know there will be no further developments, I still took a look at this.

I bet that car’s military plates are fake, and that traffic officer already noticed much earlier.

Salute. Start the human flesh search engines. Towards this police officer, salute. Only, I am a little afraid for his fate. China, this society….

Two days ago I went hiking, and the foothills were full of military cars. All of them were nice cars… Sigh…corrupt people should be exposed.

The only people in this world who dare to be so obstinate with traffic officers are Chinese government officials. Who told them to be government officials? On one hand harassing female subordinates, on the other hand embezzling public funds, and when there is nothing better to do, bully the little traffic officers. I seriously despise this person wearing eyeglasses, looking at him pointing his finger, he should go point at his grandfather!!!

Nanjing’s police are not bad. To tell the truth, it is not easy being them. Nanjing really has a lot of military vehicles…

In the past, there was a Shanghai seaman who pursued me. In the beginning, we ate together two times. The feeling was so-so, but later when we were eating, he said that when he drives he does not look at the lights, wantonly runs red lights, because the traffic police do not dare to do anything. I immediately felt this person’s character was really poor. From that moment on I never met him again.

Traffic police have no right to handle military vehicles.

I excessively commend this traffic officer! I really admire! At the very least, I do not have the courage to do that! Salute! May you climb the ranks! Those three military scum can go die!

Comments on NetEase:

Arrogant, really arrogant. These family members use the fact that they have some leader [in their family] to be pushy. No surprise there.

Support the traffic police. How can there this kind of soldier? I was a soldier before, seeing this kind of comrade-in-arms truly makes us soldiers lose face!!!

China still has this kind of traffic police officers? Salute, thank you for showing us that China still has hope.

Military vehicle. According to the rules, traffic police cannot block military vehicles.

Nowadays, military cars are too crazy, but how many traffic police throughout all of China are actually like this one in Nanjing? How many years did it take before the military and police investigate military cars that break the rules? Before the investigation, I bet they already knew internally. Once the public attention subsides, they will again come and become killers on the road. They are just putting on a show.

This military car is a [Volkswagon] Santana, right? I say, how could the traffic officer dare to stop him [otherwise]. If it was an Audi military car, would the traffic officer no longer dare to do anything? Actually, it is probably because this car’s grade is very low, and what more, no matter how I look at that license plate, it does not look real.

Comments on KDS:

This police officer does not have the power to administer the law, holding up the military car is breaking the law. downloadingdownloading

When I see a military car parked on the road at night, I always scratch them or punch in the sheet metal. The military cars here at Wujiaochang [place in Shanghai] all ask for it! Motherfuckers.

Police look at the license plates. Let us see if he would be so daring if a car came around with a 京V [Beijing military prefix].

Uncle policeman saw that this was a fake military car. A normal police officer does not have the ability to stop a military car.

The Nanjing military base should hold a news conference, to give an explanation. downloading Separately, the Nanjing traffic police division should commend this police officer, and promote his rank. downloading

Stupid cunt military cars always drive recklessly on the roads. Harmonious society. downloading

Shanghai police seem to drive honestly on the streets now, basically all wear seat belts, and do not break the rules. However I will not bother mentioning those military cars… It makes sense. The police are basically all Shanghainese people, while those who drive military cars are all “wai di ren.”

Military vehicles breaking the rules~not surprised~police stopping military cars~definitely the first time I have seen that happen~hope it is not just a fake/publicity stunt.

It appears that the traffic officer can take a picture to report the military car, but does not have the right to enforce the law. As to whether they must wear their military uniforms, it appears that it is okay to not wear uniforms when carrying out special assignments. With regards to the military car’s uncivilized behavior I do not need to say much, everyone has already seen before. That military cars have special privileges cannot be helped, but not paying tolls requires stamped approval from above the regiment level (and also must have military plates). However, what happens in practice everyone also knows, so this also does not need to be said. Military cars and the military’s image have all been ruined by a few. Real, low-rank soldiers are still not bad. Regrettable~~

This military car is probably for private use. If it was really for the military-use, definitely a group of soldiers would have come to beat up the policeman. Then the armed forces would surround the traffic police in a state of siege, and the traffic police would only be able to offer a public apology to the military subarea. I saw this a few years ago. downloading

A Santana as a military car? This the police is willing to stop. If it was an [Audi] A8 or A6, would the police be so daring still?? downloading

Most of the comments by netizens on the Chinese language internet admired and supported the police officer. This event happened on 2008 October 4. News articles and BBS forum discussions for this incident were still available last night, but were all been deleted from the internet today.

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49 Responses to “Nanjing Traffic Officer Dares To Stop A Military Car”

  1. Vote -1 Vote +1
    Parapraxis
    says:

    “News articles and BBS forum discussions for this incident were still available last night, but were all been deleted from the internet today.”

    Yet another huge difference between eastern and western approaches to the internet…

    Otherwise, I salute the police officer for upholding the law. That guy driving the car sure doesn’t look like a military officer…

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    will
    says:

    i can’t believe this guy is in the military……. aren’t there like minimum physical standards for military? this guy looks like a twig. Armchair commando?

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    Gaoshan
    says:

    Good for the police officer. It’s nice to see the police in China standing up for the law over the everyday petty corruption that normally would allow a vehicle like this to run a red light (and probably run it for no good reason).

    @will -> You ARE aware that the military is made up of huge numbers of people in roles that don’t require them to be bulked up? Scientists, technicians, signals, intel, mechanics, human resources, education, etc., etc.

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    Dan the Cat
    says:

    @Gaoshan -> You ARE aware that despite the role of the military personnel there are minimum fitness/ health requirements? SigInt techs don’t have to be as fit as infantrymen, but still must be able to do 40 push-ups/ qualify with the standard issue rifle/ be able to march a good distance with 20kg of gear on their back.

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    Gaoshan
    says:

    Yes I am aware. But since we don’t know what branch he is in, whether or not he is simply the spouse of the woman and the woman is the military member, how old he is, what branch he is in, what his position is, etc. we can’t talk about whether he is fit enough.

    Are you aware that the number required varies greatly from service to service? Depends on age and role? Let’s assume that military guy is in the Chinese equivalent of the Coast Guard and he is in his mid-30s. He would be required to be able to do 24 pushups. His body could certainly handle that. I’m also aware that having a body capable of doing even 40 pushups would not require you to look especially fit.

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    A-sing
    says:

    Have you ever been the last one of a long line of slow-moving car trying to cross a busy intersection. Look at one of the photos. It clearly shows that there are lot of cars right behind the black car. Obviously, the poor driver is stuck in the middle of the road after the light is changed. I think that the police was trying to write them a ticket and the other guy is trying to talk themselves out of it. It happens every day in a lot of cities around the world. Don’t get too excited.

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    Tim
    says:

    @A-sing : and this is the very cause of the traffic problems: blocking the box. If you don’t ride out into the middle of the intersection and wait then you won’t be stuck in the middle of the intersection when the light changes! Furthermore, if there are no cars stuck in the intersection then cross traffic can freely move thus lessening congestion. Simple, logical but effective traffic control.
    Besides, I believe you missed the point, people are impressed that the officer had the cajones to stop a white license plate. Many are wreck less and drive with impunity.

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    Dan the Cat
    says:

    @Gaoshan -> True that, indeed it’s not even certain the driver IS in the armed forces instead of just a family member / owner of a fake plate.

    I personally have witnessed white plated vehicles being used to give “favorite nieces” driving lessons.

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    Rick in China
    says:

    The discussion about the fitness of the driver? Useless…totally missing the point.

    Policeman stopping the military plated car – great, most aren’t driven legally by military licensed drivers anyways (that is the law…not just some dude in the military, but licensed as a driver in the military). I live in Chengdu and there is an abundance of military plates here, they certainly do not abide by normal traffic laws but at the same time, I don’t see them often causing any trouble. What is interesting, is the police was ballsy enough to stop the guy for it – it’s doubtful he would have actually written the guy a ticket had the guy been a little cordial and respectful to the officer with an apologetic tone rather than call his friends out of the car and try to ‘overpower’ the officer, nor is it likely that the ticket would actually be paid had it been written…

    There are ways around tickets. Personally, I make a call and have them cleared off my record – albeit none are given by police officers, only by traffic lights and speed traps, it’s good to have police/ex-police friends and a very “rules?” system sometimes…that being said, most officers look the other way when white guys break minor rules but when I do get stopped I respect the fact those officers are abiding by the law and not by any other standard rather than get pissy or try to talk my way out of anything. Breaking a rule is alright sometimes as long as it’s not causing any problems to other people in my opinion, but accept the consequence like a man, not whine and try to be ‘above’ the rule like the stickman above seems to be attempting to do.

    I’ve always noticed that in a situation between two people with an officer present, he who respects the officer wins, always. The ones who whine like a prissy princess or get emotional and argumentative lose, always. They deal with babies all day who call 110 for ridiculous reasons and when you give your case logically and calm, and respect their authority (give them some face…), everything is smooth and they respect you back.

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    chengdude
    says:

    Wow, growing up/living in some rough areas of Big City America, I’m impressed that -in Nanjing at least- it’s apparently possible to heatedly point your finger right in the face of a police officer and not get bent over for a really close-up look at the paint on the hood of your car as a result.

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    Rick in China
    says:

    @Chengdude
    Some cops will fuck you up. I was driving (so couldn’t stop to watch in length unfortunately) home from work around 6:30, lots of traffic, and this dude on a motorscooter was swerving around trying to escape a police officer on a motorbike (uh..retarded, perhaps). Eventually police officer kinda cut him off and the guy hit the back/side of a santana and was forced to stop, the officer got off and the guy on the moped put on a really smug face and didn’t say shit, reply, or move, just tried to look cool/indifferent — then the cop started smackin the dude right in the chops, full on cuffing him — then the dude in the santana got out and ran over, and joined in by tugging at the guys shoulder/backpack trying to get him off the moped, it was a fun watch from my perspective. I had to keep going due to traffic but wish I could have stayed to see what happened…the officer was, well, surprisingly big and young, not the standard Chinese officer, maybe 6′2 ~190lbs. Good to see in any case.

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    bossman
    says:

    I think all traffic policemen should be given a 007 license and execute every driver in China on the spot, the most selfish stupid incompetent drivers on the f***ing planet earth. Seriously.

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    Josh
    says:

    I have long hated all military vehicles – self righteous pigs if you ask me. I cut them off every chance I get if they’re breaking the rules (on my bike of course – full liability if you hit a bike or a person in Beijing – especially if they’re driving down the bike lanes). This traffic officer is awesome. More of a hero than Lei Feng!

  14. Vote -1 Vote +1
    Rick in China
    says:

    @Josh
    I am not sure whether to take the last sentence of your post as sarcastic or serious..Lei Feng? Come on, talk about absentee poster-boy. I wonder whether he even existed, or was just manufactured to support The Machine.

    Police and military have a long standing dispute in China. Police dislike military because they don’t “have control” over them, and military dislike police for the same reason – in fact, there are stories of some stand-offs between police and military over ‘controlled’ things like clubs who have connections with one but not the other and refuse shake-downs. These days things are a little more by-the-book across the board especially in public view, and the cop probably realized it’s a low-ranking nothing who isn’t in military garb and decided to fuck with him anyways. If it was a prado driven by a guy wearing uniform with WJ-00000 I don’t imagine it’d be the same situation. ;)

    BTW over holidays I saw a WJ-00000, WJ-00009, and WJ-00013…lower the number = clout. I took some pics out of interest in plate-watching. (wj=pla, not administrative branch such as the driver above)

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    fcuk da lu ren
    says:

    Does anybody love the “left turn” as much as I do in China? It starts on the wrong side of the road, doesn’t slow down, then cuts across oncoming traffic to get into one of any open lanes on the other side. Narrowly missing pedestrians and dodging san lun che’s it is both majestic and picturesque.

    HAHAHAHAHAAH

  16. Vote -1 Vote +1
    Rick in China
    says:

    @fcuk da lu ren
    My experience with the left turn is more of a
    1. Find a place you likely can’t turn left, or at least can’t turn left during rush hour/certain times of day
    2. Put on your turning signal to let everyone know they better move, because you’re going to push your nose in and “wiggle” through oncoming traffic like a 50 year old peasant through a line-up at the train station
    3. Begin pushing oncoming traffic into their secondary lane, often cutting off other people as a result
    4. Create a small pile-up as you finally stop one person in the first oncoming lane, easing your way into the 2nd
    5. Continue about your way leaving a mess for fifty other people, because you couldn’t do a legal u-turn under the bridge ahead and spend a total of 1 extra minute getting to your side-road

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    Marvin
    says:

    Diplomatic drivers in Beijing and elsewhere behave far, far worse. There are just a lot fewer of them than military cars.

    Nobody, but nobody, can pull diplomatic cars over. This is true all over the world, but in other countries the people driving them still feel a sense of shame which causes them to basically fall into line.

    Not so in Beijing. A lot of diplomatic cars are actually driven by local staff (Chinese nationals) whom the embassies hire as drivers – and who seem to take great pride in violating as many laws as possible. Others are driven by the diplomats themselves, many of whom follow suit with this behaviour.

    The blatant overtaking of a whole queue of cars and inserting yourself at the head (especially for left turns) particularly gets to me.

  18. It’s impossible to delete something from the internet these days!

    http://www.google.com/search?q=%E5%8D%97K20128

  19. Vote -1 Vote +1
    a native chinese-_-
    says:

    I am a chinesemack…Can i speak some for this in my poor english?I want to show share my opinions as a chinese(if you can undersand what i mean).

    In china,obviously i can not talk much because of restriction by some powers(you kown this news have been deleted for several days)…i hate bureaucratism.No matter what many things in forum like be,but at least they are the turths which you can watch to learn a real society in china and improve it to be a better one.Today,chinese civilian like to say the word ‘harmony’ which is used to make some ironical jokes.

    the president Bush(may be your don’t like this guy~~) said”china have a very great potential for development,but the precondition is to free people’s voice…”(i forgot some words),it is absolutely right.

    In china,there is only one party—chinese communist party,so if he did some wrongs or unjust things,how can we correct them???how can we prevent them??The only thing we can do is praying the power can find them and have good moods to change them……

    I am not politician,so i can not say this kind of polity is right or wrong,but i know there have too many problems in our society:

    The milk powder of sanlu(communist party’s corporation) which’s noxious additive killed 8 infant and let 10,000 babes go to hospital,many of them had to take OPS to save their lifes…They are only babes!!What the fucking food administration doing??Can you experience the parents’s feeling?It must be very indignant and sad…Another thing is a mine collapse happened a month ago,can you image??300 workers lost their lifes!!did you know?The mine have the production permit by gov,but the reason of accident is that the danger mine is unqualified for excavating at all!!!why dose it have the permit??Why and how can it bring 300+ wokers in a small hole instead of calculating the suitable numbers to protect wokers from dangers???I’m very sad to hear about people suffering from those accidents.I’m reall hope some politicians can notice that consider the lifes as the most important and holy.Ok,i can not tell more,because it can not be laid out entirely in word or by one day.

    Here,i must say i love my country just like you love yours,so all unreal news,not sincere accusal and else nonsenses to our people and our country are shits,we chinese are hospitable and industrious,also we respect hunman rights and advocate freedom.In fact,the majority of us are poor and can’t pay up education and health comparing with Europe and USA,although the surface of china are magnificent,some showy things the power would like to see are wasteful.China have many many things need to be improved,and many people are working hard for them.I have the utter confidence that gov are doing many right things.

    My rough words may disturb you reading,i’m sorry about that,xiexie谢谢

  20. Vote -1 Vote +1
    Parapraxis
    says:

    native chinese,

    I think i speak for everyone that we welcome rational, calm people from all over the world, chinese especially, into our discussions. Feel free to chime in anytime. I don’t think bad english should stop you from posting.

    It is people like you who show that the typical chinese persona is NOT the sum of its individual parts.

    and don’t worry, a lot of people in the US don’t like Bush either.

  21. Vote -1 Vote +1
    will
    says:

    actually the majority of Americans don’t like Bush. Its not just a lot of people.

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    Rick in China
    says:

    @fcuk da lu ren
    I had something like that happen to me YESTERDAY! This is how it went down:

    I rolled out of my apartment late and around 11am got into my car and started driving out, fuck, feel a problem with the car I had before come up again and know it’ll be a headache if I don’t get it fixed asap, so drove to a car shop across the street on a side road. Drop it off, walk to main road to grab a taxi – nobody on corner. Waiting, I see 3 grandparents (old people) seemingly oblivious to my existance on the street trying to hail a cab passing by with “For Hire” button up, start swinging their arms and crawling out onto the road behind me to hail cabs that are currently occupied. How to deal with this? Be a gentleman and allow the old decrepit people snatch a cab that I was clearly waiting for some time before them, be an asshole and inform them I was waiting for a while and need to get to work? Neither.

    I start walking up the road allowing them to still try their luck separate from me, with a bit of a dirty taste in my mouth but knowing either result in dealing w/ grandma would result in a not-so-happy situation, and as luck would have it a taxi pulled up 10 meters infront of me to drop someone off. By the time he exited I was just rollin up to the cab. Karma..baby..karma..

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    fcuk da lu ren
    says:

    @ Rick,

    Careful how you use Karma, see how that worked for sharon stone.

    Let me give you a typical day for a foreigner in China.

    1. Wake up in the morning to the sound of your neighbor hawking a big loogie outside your door, or construction at 7 am, or the water meter checker banging on your door (mostly on Sunday)

    2. Take the elevator that despite having a no smoking sign smells like someone burnt an entire tobacco factory inside of. Only one of the two elevators is working and stops on every floor with bikes amassing floor by floor

    3. Try to exit the elevator as a hoard of people holding vegetables try to get on before anyone has exited (be weary of 40 year old women, they could play for the NFL)

    4. Exit your front gate almost demolished by a guy riding his bike, smoking, talking on the phone, on the sidewalk (insert swear word)

    5. Take a deep breath as you reach the cross walk and proceed with frogger like skill in crossing the red light which no one on any direction seems to know means STOP.

    6. Attempt taxi catching (see previous story)

    7. Arrive at office wearing a suit while the rest of the local staff is wearing jeans and/or prom dresses. (note the evil glares through the smile that says “we know you make more, its only a matter of time before we get rid of you”)

    8. Have your first meeting of the morning with your staff who is supposed to give you a finished product presentation for you to sell. However, despite having a “FUDAN University MBA” (purchased) It looks like it was written by a third grader (and that’s the Chinese version)

    9. 11:45 LUNCH time. Plastic containers woft magical smells through the air as local staff eat at their desk spitting shrimp shells and drinking hot tea (its 100 degrees outside). Or they retire to the office back room and sometimes even the bathroom to eat their entire entree. After lunch they question how much money you spent on your lunch and exude the same look to you as when they walked in along with the phrase “wow you are so rich, so expensive”

    10. Have your first meeting with a govt official regarding an enormously beneficial plan for your company and theirs and how you can work together to build a great partnership that will help the whole society. Then listen to him respond for two hours why you as a foreigner can never understand China and that Chinese culture is so complex with 5,000 years of history and chopsticks that despite having and MBA, you could never use.

    To be Continued…..

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    hey
    says:

    @fcuk da lu ren

    I never understand why people like you hate China lives in China. Though I do find your comments a bit of entertaining. When in Rome, do as the Romans do. I think your life will be less bitter. I do not live in China. This is my life in USA comparing to your comments.

    1. Construction starts at 6am every day and sometimes continue drilling after 12am. Called the mayor office and complained and told me to deal with it. You live in the city.
    2. People take elevator when they work on second floor. People on the second floor takes the elevator to the third floor.
    3. People push you, they say excuse me. Excuse me meaning, I have the right to push you since I said that word.
    4. This same goes with courier. The chances of getting hit by a bike courier is higher than a car.
    5. This sames goes for the city living. Some are nice will let you go. Some will honk all the way till they pass by you.
    6. I don’t take taxi. So no comment on that but I have to say that is hilarious.
    7. There’s dress code.
    8. No comments
    9. Are you talking about my lunch that I had heated up in the microwave? Dude it smells great from my perspective.
    10. No comments.

    There are good and bad da lu ren and I have met them. I have yelled at the bad ones before and the good ones had voluntarily helped me without me asking. If da lu is not the place for you to live, you should move on. Why be unhappy? Life is too short. Cannot wait to read your part two rant on China.

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    Truth Hurtz
    says:

    F.D.L.Ren – I think you just encountered a cycle of funk and my best advice is to just be ‘above’ that if you know what I mean. Also, you need to understand that China nowadays has the most amount of rules and laws but they hardly ever enforced. The problem is a lack of accountability, excessive connections (guanxi which is cultural) , personal interests and lack of awareness for other peoples safety (at times). All of this will take some time to keep the ‘good’ and filter out the bad but once its going to take some time (generation gap mayhaps?).

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    Rick in China
    says:

    @fcuk da lu ren
    I know where you’re coming from on many of the points, and like..5 years ago, living in a cheaper area of town and working for a less, professional, company – I can say that it would be similar. Now, well, the only point I really hit personally is the heated up lunches at their desks and commenting on what I order as they heat it up in the microwave. One thing I hate is that our bathroom has only 1 sink and everyone lines up around lunch time (which is usually when I want to…eh, unload) at the sink washing their shit.

    I think truth hurtz is right in that you had a pretty shitty cycle, it could have been a combination of where you were living and when you were there – for me personally things have improved significantly from those days!

    @Hey
    I see your attempt to equal FDLR’s post, however, uh, eh, it’s a very poor attempt and has far less validity.

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    fcuk da lu ren
    says:

    @ Rick,

    Yeah but you know I used to work for some very high level companies in high positions and it was the same. At one point I worked at one of the nicest buildings in all of China and it was the same. Smoking in the toilet, spitting on the floor, cramming into the elevators. And these were supposed to be the creme of the crop? (They were all young btw)

    Truth Hurtz agree with most of what you say and there is an allowance of letting someone grow, but I wonder if chinese have missed the “mom told me I shouldn’t do that, so I shouldn’t”. Corruption and guanxi are one thing, but there are some basics that must have been left out of Mao’s red book. If you look at missionaries descriptions of Chinese in the 1500’s and on, there is not much of a change. How much time do you think we should give?

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    Rick in China
    says:

    @fcuk da lu ren
    If I see people behave like that I make it very clear, insult them infront of their friends or other strangers in local dialect, call them a fucking peasant and learn some manners, etc. They always get extremely embarrassed, and stop whatever they’re doing. I am a pretty imposing looking guy, perhaps why nobody ever gets mad or replies with some kind of sarcastic response, but it seems to work in my little circle :)

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    Fauna
    says:

    Hi fcuk da lu ren,

    I accidentally deleted your story about the taxi. I thought it was a duplicate. Sorry. Maybe you can post it again.

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    Kai
    says:

    @ fcuk da lu ren:

    I can identify with many of your frustrations but I think measuring their progress using the impressions of 1500s missionaries is inaccurate. I think “being civilized” as the citizens of many more developed countries see it is more a function of economic situation. The poorer parts of both the States and Europe both have plenty of “uncivilized” behavior similar to what we see in China. It is important to remember that the vast majority of people in China are poor…and there are a vast amount of people here, thereby magnifying how visible such “uncivilized” behavior is.

    Whatever progress China made at the turn of the 20th century was largely squandered during the Cultural Revolution as peasant folk and peasant life were held up as the ideal. Human lifestyle habits are hard to change and beyond being a function of economic circumstances, it often takes a generation to change. China has had a tumultuous history but as Hong Kong, Taiwan and Singapore can attest to, there is no racial reason for their “uncivilized” behavior. In fact, these behaviors can be found in those other places as well, usually amongst the poorer classes.

    Give them more time and a bit more understanding. As Rick said, I think a calm reminder in the form of “don’t do that, are you a peasant?” or something like that would help shame a few into shape. Of course, there’s less risk of “anti-foreigner” when a Chinese face does it, but just as we criticize China politically in hopes of helping them get better, we can offer constructive social criticism on the ground too.

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    fcuk da lu ren
    says:

    @Kai,

    I hear you on that and definitely hope for the best for China, I guess my years there have made me irrevocably pessimistic. I have watched Chinese on all levels operate on the playing field that they want with apology and without regards to others feelings or caring (I think some would argue America does the same, which I agree/disagree).

    There is a sense of victim entitlement among the Chinese fostered both by their education and their own sense of value given by their family and the structure of govt I think that impedes most of them from evaluating the actions or ontological equality of other human beings including themselves. This in turn formulates into a hostility that is kept under the surface by cultural constraints unless that outlet is foreigners or the occasional riot .

    Regardless I do my best to give grace, but its hard when you have seen the true face of what most people think of foreigners in China. Maybe you can say its the circle of the places I have been, but most foreigners in China would have the same complaints.

    Anyway appreciate your thought out responses to the above, I admit I like to rant a bit, but hey, that is my outlet that stops me from hate crimes lol

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    Rick in China
    says:

    @fcuk da lu ren
    Your last post was much more analytical, reasonable, and objective than some in the past, I agree with most of your points.

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    Papparazzi
    says:

    BRAVO!!
    i salute you officer!
    we need more honest officers like you.

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    Veer Left
    says:

    Wow…we’re having a real ‘love-fest’ here. Keep it up.
    My experience with Chinese police has never been positive. When I need help, they are useless, refuse to do their job etc. Factor in the multiple extortion scams that I have been the victim of since being in China, and you’ll understand why I don’t even stop for traffic cops. They allow all sorts of overloaded unfit vehicles on the road, overlook totally reckless driving, and concentrate on plates?? Pssshhhhhh…

    This military car is obviously being driven by people who don’t need that plate. Since when are pink shirts and jogging pants part of the uniform?

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    Max
    says:

    Top military official don’t act this way.. they are more careful and responsible… only those small officials or drivers of the officials are all bastards and “niu bi”

    The police did the right thing….but then this is china… the police man will probably lose his job and later die from hunger..

    The driver of the military car will probably get richer and buy more car and house….

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    吴宏涛
    says:

    不了解中国的交通规则的不要随便放言。

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    Jamesbomb
    says:

    IS the cop’s action legally?
    I sure that “black Volkswagen Santana ” violate the law, but who have the authority to supervise military vehicleso far as I know, there is no specific regulation for military vehicle in our law~
    no law~ no authority, that is spirit of legality …

    SAD…

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    tom2
    says:

    I have a friend, a real shanghainese and as per usual couldnt care less about politics.

    except one time. the military hospital on the yangpu/ hongkou area .

    some old goat was croaking it and some local neighbours tried to take her into the military hospital next door. they were refused, a crowd gathered of local shanghainese against the soldiers. the soldiers (predicatably perhaps) destroyed them all. i presume the oldie had to go elsewhere eventually.

    its interesting, u have the sh vs waidi aspect but also, would a military place allow u in in ur country?

    my friend, raised on a diet of totalitarian propaganda about the PLA began to see thru the lies.

    the ppl phoned the police and the media ( a super powerful guanxi and maipulator in shanghai and maybe now all china)

    they were told it was off limits in entirity.

    go to “devils island” off zhoushan island and see the amount of military cars A6L’s . do the officers never work? Its not a miltary base. how can they be there day after day after day?

    maybe it is true that china became subordinate to the military in recompense for curing the cultural revolution. i dunno, but it stinks to high hell.

    one of the few good things i can say of the chinese is the lack of respect for authority, becoz the authority r scumbags.

    fake their plates, key their cars!

    by n large i think both miltary and police are proffessional and decent, but , as , ever chiese ppl, being chinese ppl, will lie, cheat, steal and behave as greedy selfish scumbags

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    Kai
    says:

    @ tom2:

    Really, “Chinese people, being Chinese people, will lie, cheat, steal, and behave as greedy selfish scumbags”?

    So what’s the excuse for everyone else in the world?

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    Not Found
    says:

    Brave officer! I guess thats why he only can work on the road but not as our authorities, coz our country can’t tolerate a real fair officer like that!

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    says:

    I call them the Special K cars (theres also M cars as well – the K or the M is red, all military) and have had a few run in’s with them, they don’t obey any traffic laws, queue jump and drive without regard to anybody. They get a shock when a 6′2″ Westerner gets out of the ‘other’ car though.

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    Jamie
    says:

    i think someone needs to make a tv show about this officer and his partner, the old man with the brick

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