From KDS:
On the evening of July 11, near the Tibet Road entrance to the Nanjing Road Pedestrian Street, two waidiren (spoke with accents) came to blows. One side was a husband and wife couple with children pitching in, while the other was a single male who obviously found himself in the disadvantaged position, having been beaten with blood all over his face.
After the police rushed over and tried to mediate, the two parties involved were taken to the police station.
Why was there such a large fight during the day and on lively Nanjing Road? The reason turned out to be…
…fighting over a seat on the Pedestrian Street tourist/sight-seeing tram! (It is said that the male wearing the red shirt who was beaten first became physical towards the child fighting for the seat so the husband-wife couple began ruthlessly hitting the man in red shirt)
The following eight pictures were added later (original only 11):
It is reported that the Korean KBS television channel just happened to be on the Pedestrian Street that day filming a show, and conveniently recorded the entire fight scene.
Comments from Tiexue:
程凯:
Hehehehe, people these days, some big men will hide and let their wives go fight. Shanghai is not bad, it has female patrol officers. This happens often here. There are two snack/small eats shops where the bosses do not fight but the two bosses’ wives fight violently. When the police come, the most they can do is hold the two women back by the arms, and amusingly, the more the police hold them back, the more they fight harder…
elevchen:
Sigh, truly embarrassing, fighting so awfully here. I trust Korean people are reporting this piece of news (if this could be considered news) they definitely would not say “Shanghainese” or “waidiren“. They will say “Chinese people” are fighting in public over a seat.
kskg36:
A fight is a fight, why emphasize waidiren?
Also there is nothing so embarrassing.
America’s New York is even more incredible, where even a public dispute about cutting in line directly leading to shooting people dead happens.
But New York is still the entire world’s most niu city.
Above there are a lot of Shanghainese people trying to use waidiren fighting in Shanghai to show how Shanghainese people’s characters are better/higher than waidiren…
I don’t know what this says about them.
红茶党人:
Sigh, a very ordinary post eventually becomes a Shanghai vs. Anti-Shanghai argument. We are all Chinese people, is this necessary?
Some people from some places indeed have some bad habits, but this is not the reason Shanghainese people discriminate against waidiren. To tell the truth, some waidiren’s bad habits Shanghainese people also have plenty of.
蛇仔明表哥:
I have suddenly discovered that Chinese police are completely useless. In these fight scenes, at best they are just the role of a mediator trying to break up the fight.
This kind of illegal behavior right in front of the police and yet no police are able to effectively stop…
What use are the police then???
奉先骑都尉:
[responding to a comment made by a wai di ren that said this was a fight between Shanghainese people]
Those fighting on Nanjing Road were wai di tourists. Why are you YP ["ying pan", hard disks] dragging us Shanghainese into this?
Moreover, you guys think you are so big. Us Shanghainese people do not have the time to bother with the problems you guys cause. Even if you guys kill each other it has nothing to do with us.
And making yourselves look good while making Shanghainese people look bad? Is it necessary?
You guys want to boast, fine, but please don’t try to make us look bad. Thank you. You guys can do whatever you guys want, there is no deportation system now, and we’re too lazy to care.
But don’t drag us into it, aren’t we all the same!!!
奉先骑都尉:
Shanghainese people will never shirk responsibility. To a certain hard disk above, yes, I called you hard disk, coward, who felt they were looked down upon, insisted on turning wai di tourists fighting into Shanghainese people fighting. Shanghainese people are all reasonable, and fighting has always been something hard disk peoplelike to do, and moreover, just for a seat on a train. Have you ever seen Shanghainese people go ride that tourist tram?
Calling you guys hard disks I personally feel there is nothing wrong. You guys too can insult us. Shanghainese people do not really care about your guys’ insults. Looking at you guys flip out, just thinking about it funny.
Our Shanghai does not have this kind of low character. Moreover, we also do not fight while you wai di hard disks seriously do like to fight. And when something happens, you guys pretend to regret it.
Even if Shanghainese people go to Nanjing Road, would we go ride the tourist tram? It is just something to cheat you wai di ren.
Your hard disk IQ is worth suspecting.
我是spd:
Why do these kind of post-topics always evolve into people insulting and slandering each other? Such a simple post, reminding us to be civilized, ends up becoming Shanghainese people this and this…
Comments from AnJia:
窃听风暴:
The photographs were taken very well, very “at the scene of the incident.”
日本伪教授:
One look and you can tell they are Northern people.
海上杜月笙:
It feels like if that female were to fight alone she would not necessarily lose, hahaha.
悦童:
That mother is so valiant. Therefore, never bully children, otherwise the child’s mother, though a woman, dares to physically fight with a man.
渔父:
Upon seeing this title, my first reaction was that waidiren have again begun ruining Shanghai. After coming in to read, it turns out I was right, causing Shanghai to be the joke of Koreans.
KBS is pretty good at finding news~~~
Daniel_xm:
Forbid waidiren from entering Shanghai during the World Expo!
robinhood:
The Koreans have nothing better to do also, reporting even this kind of trivial matter
that happens who knows how often everyday in various places throughout the country.
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Too bad I was not there…I could have made some money off the fight.
硬盘统统滚出上海！
who will do your construction, fix your roads, repair your apartment, renovate offices? Shanghai would be a far worse place if it was only populated by shanghainese.
If you hadn’t said “waidiren” I would have guessed that the couple was Shanghainese, because the woman was obviously the better fighter of the two.
of course they were waidiren.
shanghainese people are way too cultivated to fight over stuff.
*sarcasm shoots itself in the bobblehead*
FUCK shanghinese people scare the fuck out of me. I say let’s eliminate this “old shanghist” bullshit once and for all. Disown Shanghai.
GOD I HATE SHANGHAI PEOPLE.
YOU AND YOUR MOM SUCK A DICK BITCH.
YES!!!!!!! chinasmack you guys get better and better, fuckin eh you guys are on a roll today!!!!
by the way i jsut heard some news from my friends over on tianya there ws a new post of another cindident similar tot he one u found but it was about a post 90s generation couple having sex int he staircase of a building or something like that and got videotaped or whatever. nyways m sure it has already been river crabbed but perhaps it might be worth a look, if i can get more info on this i will email you fauna.
thanks again you guys are definitely hot right now!
IS THAT LEONARDO DI CAPRIO ON A PICTURE?
WHOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
Nothing new in Chinese people turning violent when they can’t get it their way. Check out the mother carrying a 2 year old with a first row seat to the fight. She’s in several of the pictures. “Yeah I wan’t to oogle this. Nice punch. Kick him in the nuts. That’s it. Who cares if I let my kid see this. That will just prepare him for grown up life”. Long way to go to be a truly civilized country.
wow the pictures are really good – sharp and clear
Is anyone trying to stop them???
What the fuck is wrong with Chinese people???
Damn stalkers… This country will never evolve!!!
Never ever intervene in a fight in China. You are at risk of being accused of fighting.
Anyone who throws a punch in a fight in China can be sent to jail, even if they didn’t start the fight. If you are accused of being involved in the fight, you might be in jail for 2 weeks.
If you have any money, the other side will try to claim damages from you – milk you as much as possible.
If you see a fight just walk away. If you are too curious, then stand at the back. But never intervene.
2nd that. Speaking from experience.
Haha…yeah I’m sure. Just like when you “profusely” bled on the hospital floor when your neck artery was supposedly nicked in a fight.
give the boy a break, he was just trying to represent
It’s a couple of people slapping each other with slippers, you don’t intervene in a dust-up…
Dude, somebody needs to bring cleats to this slipper fights.
I’ve got those same slippers!
Wow, Korean just came out of friggin’ nowhere. I LOL’ed.
Typical China Woman. Ugly, Rough, Always Looking for a fight, Pathetic, Ruthless, Crap. Full of Shit. China Woman.Puke!!!
:( were you beaten by a Chinese woman?
It was probably a little girl. Like the one from “Balls of Fury”
The husband should be locked up for wearing crocs!
hahahaha @ the dude taking a photo of the Korean reporter
that guy was about to use his slipper for a weapon. d-d-d-d-dangerous!
Such nice clear photography. I can believe that this is filmed by Koreans.
The woman is gross.
I wonder if there will be scenes like this during the 2010 Expo to entertain the foreigners.
Whats up with the anti-Shanghai attitude? So people are proud there, just like New Yorkers, Parisians, etc.
The Nanjing pedestrian walk section is one of the most famous tourist traps in shanghai, so there is really no need to mention wai di ren (xian sha ren is how they were used to be called) as it’s pretty obvious to the locals.
I can’t believe only one person on CS or the example posts above seems to get this…if someone was violent towards my kid I would beat the shit out of them, pure and simple. To all the people calling waidiren/chinese barbaric, would love to see your reaction when some stranger is violent towards your child, I guess you “civilized” people would just let it go or calmly ask the guy to “please stop beating my child”.
LoL, maybe not calmly, but with the STERN voice of civilization!!!
Having a lot of experience with shitty little fat Chinese kids (they’re all spoiled brats, but some of them are kind of cute) it’s likely this guy had a seat on the tram, the kid stole it from him, maybe the guy touched the kid like “hey what the fuck are you doing kid” and then got tag-teamed by the parents. Most kids here have no manners whatsoever.
Anyway this sort of thing happens all the time – I’ve seen a lot of fights like this. Luckily there’s rarely serious injury. Like people said, nobody intervenes – they don’t want to intervene for legal reasons – even if it’s some guy beating his wife in public – move along, none of your business, it’s not your family..
To Beijingers, Shanghairen = Waidiren.
LoL, the Shanghainese readily acknowledge this as a matter of definition. I’ve been told that a difference between Shanghainese and Beijingers is that whereas Beijingers dislike Shanghainese people, Shanghainese people simply look down upon Beijingers. This, no doubt, contributes to the “arrogant Shanghainese” stereotype. Of course, spend enough time in any major city of China and you’ll find the whole urbanite vs. wai di ren rural folk dichotomy present. It’s really just the Chinese equivalent of the city-slicker vs. country-bumpkin dynamic.
Hahahaha, the Koreans filmed it. It’s gonna go on Korean TV and they’re all going to be like ‘look at these Chinese people, such a bunch of animals!’.
Yep.
And they’d be right.
Haha… it’s the only way that Koreans can make themselves feel superior. Just like they have posts of American people and get kids to throw it at them from a young age. What a primitive bunch of people with inferiority complex.
wtf, clearly we should not think about shanghainese or waidi people, it is a big issue abt whole CHINESE PEOPLE, look in the picture, there are so many people standing around there looks like a stone and let this kind of things happen, some of them are even smile and took picture, what is the problem with those people? really dont know why chinese are become like this, this kind of thins happen many times around the country, but almost the same reaction from the crowed. Chinese people are only care about their family and friends, treate others as low class animal, there’s why chinese people are selfish…
Amazing, it’s as if you people have NEVER seen a fight break out in any other country with any other race/ethnicity/nationality before…
Seriously, these scuffles and the ensuing rubbernecking happens with similar demographics in all countries all the time. It likely seems more pronounced in China because…THERE’S A WHOLE LOT MORE PEOPLE HERE! Surprise!
Happy Friday!
With great irony, an old friend just shared this in Google Reader with me:
http://streetbonersandtvcarnage.com/blog/dash-snow-1981-2009-4/
in most countries, anytime I’ve seen fights, people intervene. at least a few people try to break up the fight.
also I love that comment about New York – where someone cuts in line and gunfights ensue. because life is exactly like movies, right? they must think americans are truly hardcore. 420 shoot people every day.
Let’s first state that there are always exceptions to the rule, both here and elsewhere.
That said, I’ll go out on a limb based upon my experience and the accumulated wisdom of life that the RULE is that most people TEND NOT to get involved in contentious matters that don’t directly involve them. In other words, when a fight breaks out, most bystanders typically don’t intervene unless they’re related in some way with the participants (friend, family member, team member, etc.). If they don’t know the two sides, they don’t take sides, and they don’t usually put themselves between the two. Cops, however, in most countries, do. Why? Because that’s their job and doing their job is a good service to the public and the participants. Same applies for teachers or figures of authority responsible for their charges.
The EXCEPTION is when someone completely uninvolved takes it upon him or herself in intervening. This certainly can and does happen, though I’d argue RARELY in any country anywhere.
I strongly reckon that the fights you’ve seen where people intervene is because the people intervening usually have a direct vested interest in doing so, because they’re a friend or a person charged with maintaining the peace (like cops, security, bouncers, management, etc.).
In this case, all of the strangers stood by and watched, as is typical for situations like these anywhere. Those with a direct vested interest got involved (the husband, and the parents’ children who joined in on the fun). Those charged with maintaining the peace (the cops) broke it up, held the two back, and tried mediating before taking them to the station.
All in all, I think everything played out exactly as expected and experienced (personally) in pretty much any corner of the world I’ve been in. Seriously, a lot of weird things happen in China that are seemingly more unique to it, but rubbernecking bystanders isn’t one of them. It may, I grant, seem that way, but mostly because there’s just so many more people here in denser concentrations that “crowds” manifest themselves more easily. The basic human behavior, however, is, well, human.
it has been said to me that the best option in this situation is to quickly exit scene. There is absolutely no need to stay and watch a bunch of fools fight. Let heaven sort them out.
LOL. America be thought out I mean thugged out man.
All I know is I need my glock 45 and my m4a1, and my box of banna clips, and my bullet proof vest.
The world is very treal if you get paranoid about it.
Kai, police have a duty to intervene, not a vested interest. A vested interest is a property interest.
What exactly do they teach in Berkeley’s ‘Legal Studies’ programme?
Brad, Berkeley’s Legal Studies program didn’t teach me this, but somewhere in kindergarten I learned that words like “vested interest” have multiple definitions. The one you’re thinking of is just one of them. Go ahead and look it up.
Oh, and please avoid making snide comments about educational backgrounds unless you’re certain you’re in checkmate territory.
Well, Kai, your kindergarten curriculum was probably more rigourous than your Berkeley one. There is no colloquial usage of the term ‘vested interest’. Either an interest is vested or it is not.
You could have said that the parents have a strong interest in the safety of their child. That would have been sensible, and the word ‘interest’ could have been interpreted as broadly as you like, no legal usage implied at all. But you just had to add the ‘vested’ bit in order to make yourself sound clever, didn’t you?
You’ve just publicly admitted to not knowing basic, black letter law. How does Elliott feel about you undermining your own professional qualifications?
Brad,
You’re wrong.
Yes, I could have said “strong interest” but I said “vested interest” because it more accurated conveys what I mean.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vested_interest
“3. a special interest in protecting whatever is to one’s own advantage”
If you’ll recall:
I believe parents, friends, cops, etc. have a special interest in protecting whatever is to their own advantage, namely their children, friends, jobs, etc.
I’m sorry, how is using the term “vested interest” in a legitimate fashion any indication of not knowing basic, black letter law?
Surprise, it isn’t! But thanks for trolling anyway. Have a nice day!
Haha… I wish that would happen to people that cut in line here in China.
Hmmm… actually the last thing they need here is access to guns, it’ll be like giving a baby matches and a gas tank. How about more slipper battles!!!
PS. If I ever see a fair one on one fight in China I will simply explode into ball of suprise…
Kai, siding on Brad’s side for a moment, I feel that you exhibit a form of inferiority complex relating your English comprehension ability. There is no doubt that you are articulate in your written English skills but it also seems that you find the perpetual need to prove to others that you are capable of using technical jargon. I don’t know whether this stems from insecurity or you are simply over-extending your use and knowledge of the English vocabulary in an attempt to sound more impressive than you are. Perhaps China Smack gives you a chance to practice and challenge your own English writing ability and thus I always find that you engage in these meaningless arguments regarding semantics.
Colloquially, vested interest is used in a particular context and not the one that you chose; despite being very similar. A vested interest usually refers to a fixed interest that is incorporated in another object/thing that is usually property/shares/etc. It is not ‘wrong’ in the technical sense to say that you have a vested interest in keeping the peace as a public officer or helping your friend. However the word ‘personal interest’ is much more appropriate. Vested interest in the colloquial sense refers an interest that is invested or secured into a particular thing. While that thing could be ’self interest’ or a ‘achieving your duty’ or any other such intangible object, you are really stretching the limitations of what is technically allowed rather than using the word in its natural meaning.
Of course the English language involves construction and interpretation and so there is no absolute way of saying that your use was incorrect, however reading the dialogue between you two, I am convinced that you are simply being desperately defensive rather than accepting constructive criticism.
Charles, I have used “vested interest” with the meaning I intended that is both colloquial and popularly used by those that would use it. I am well aware of the legal term but it isn’t JUST a legal term nor is the legal term the ONLY colloquial usage, which “Brad” tried to advance. Your second non-legal colloquial definition, I think, fits exactly what I mean. I fully agree “vested interest” could be replaced with “personal interest”. I’m not arguing that such alternatives are grossly inadequate, but I do think insofar as “Brad” wrongly tried to criticize me, I’ve legitimately (not desperately) defended my usage.
Interestingly, after some research, I’ve learned that the common usage above (this would be your second non-legal colloquial usage that I was working off of) may actually be technically wrong itself! Yikes for us both, eh? It does, however, survive in this colloquial usage simply because the usage is common enough and understood by enough people despite possibly being technically inaccurate. Like you said, construction and interpretation.
Next, I don’t think constructive criticism involves “Brad” trying to insult my educational background. Do you? Also, I’m pretty sure “Brad” is someone who trolled on CNR before as that would be the most likely place he’d find such information about me.
Finally, it sounds like you think I’m not a native English speaker/writer in your first paragraph and that I use chinaSMACK to “practice” my English. Does it have anything to do with my name, my Gravatar, or what? The truth is, this is just how I write. Without the benfit of being able to edit, I talk pretty similarly as well. Now, I understand why some people don’t like it, because they might suspect that a person using words they don’t use is showing off or something. However, I’m not going to change how I write or talk simply because some people choose to view it in such a negative way. I write as I do because it what I currently feel is the best way to communicate what I want to communicate. I’m big on nuances and sometimes you can’t convey that nuance without using more specific and less common words.
I do not apologize for my vocabulary. While I do understand how some people might react to it, I don’t think I should be overly concerned. The fact that my working vocabulary is bigger than someone else’s is not something I should feel ashamed for, especially if there’s zero intent of impressing people and 100% intent on communicating as close to what I think with what tools I have. There are simply different levels of writing and speaking in this world. This isn’t a boast, it’s just an appeal to fact. Would you criticize a college student for using words and enunciation that are unfamiliar to a speaker of, say, eubonics?
Overall, I don’t think the arguments I get into here boil down to semantics. Semantics naturally come into play, but I’m not here to have arguments about semantics, I’m usually here to discuss attitudes relating to China and the Chinese. Sometimes, I’m just here to look at the pictures. :)
I do feel these attempts to attack me based upon my working vocabulary is rather petty and equivalent to an ad hominem attack, amongst other fallacies. Speaking of which, “fallacy” could be accused of being “technical jargon” too, right? But I learned how to use it studying rhetoric and it’s a very useful term that means a very specific thing. Even so, I occassionally substitute “errors of logic” or “errors of reasoning” but even those, to many, could be accused of being haughty sounding, right? However, I just don’t think “your thinking is wrong” is an adequate substitue for “fallacy”.
Finally, I would very much appreciate you don’t side with someone who is very obviously trolling.
Hi Kai, I won’t further speculate on your use of English Jargon. However your specific choice of words does suggest to me that you are being slightly ostentatious in your expressions.
Similarly, I’m sure you would find it at least amusing, if not entertaining if a non-native Chinese speaker continually used ‘cheng yu’ to define a point and then supports this by saying four word idioms are the most simple forms of expression and the best way to communicate.
On the same point, the most effective communicators are able to reduce nominalisations and use active sentences. I tend to catch you elongating sentences which add no extra value except prolonging reading space.
You mentioned the words ‘errors of logic’ and ‘errors of reasoning’ as some of the terms you may use and which others might accuse to be sound haughty. How about simplifying the terms to becoming ‘incorrect logic’ or ‘incorrect reasoning’? What about not using the term ‘error of logic’ at all and using the word ‘incorrect’ by removing the vestigial word ‘logic’. If you start talking about logic, then you have to define it, and it greatly bloats the conversation into the grounds of what is logic which spans into god knows where.
I don’t see the need to go on because I’m sure this is hurtful to your ego. I could always use the term ‘hurtful to one’s ego’, to hide the active object with a anonymous ‘one’ to soften the sentence. Nevertheless I don’t choose to because I feel that I’m here to convey a point and not to play on words, which I feel you tend to do a lot in your posts. This is also why I feel that you are here to practice your English, since I’m sure there are many other things you could do with your time.
On the same note, where are you from Kai? I’m interested. My guess is that you are from Shanghai, did your bachelors in Fudan and then studied in Berkley Law School. How close am I? ^^
Charles,
1. Idioms! And you’re accusing me of being desperately defensive?
2. I find it ironic that you’re using words like “ostentatious”, “nominalisations”, and “active sentences” to criticize my use of big words. Or are you just trying to impress me?
3. I’ve always been pretty upfront with my tendency to write a lot. I’m verbose. Not much fun trying to accuse me of something I readily admit to.
4. Re: “errors of logic”, etc. Sure, but it’s a fruitless endeavor to try ridding my own voice and writing style to suit you. When it becomes evident that a word being used is not understood the same way by different people, then I hope these people will be comfortable discussing it to reach an shared understanding. That is the nature of communications, isn’t it?
5. Believe what you will about my ego. I have little delusions of what you’re trying to do. If it gives you a sense of satisfaction, you can imagine me in a fetal position, crying my eyes out. As I said though, petty.
6. I say nuance is important. You think its playing on words. We’ll have to agree to disagree.
7. I’m sure there are many other things you could do with your time than trying to hurt my ego, Charles. Don’t be silly because, seriously, you’re spending your time trying to get a rise out of me. I’m sure we’re both enjoying this to some degree, what with both of us thinking they’ve got the other figured.
8. You’re laughably far in what you think you know of me, but it’s amusing to see you give away your prejudices so clearly. E-mail me if you want to discuss personal backgrounds.
Kai,
Am I trying to impress you? No, but I do recommend a book to you called “Plain English for Lawyers” by Richard Wydick, which clearly focuses around reducing nominalisations and construction of active sentences.
As I am sure you are aware, the thing that makes reading court judgments or legislation challenging is the amount of double negatives, passive sentences and the continual use of a inactive voice. You seem to believe that capturing actions in the form of a noun helps enunciate intelligence. I think it defines a relatively simple action into a noun for no good reason.
Hmmm… somehow I don’t think you will agree with the above statement, so let me rephrase it: you think that in your case, nominalisations form a style of writing that can be used for your unique and effective communication. I think that they should be avoided.
However the purpose of communication is for you to express your ideas and for it to be received by the listener in a manner that can be understood. However, nominalisations, passive sentences, and double negatives increase processing time, reduce clarity and are harder to comprehend than sentences given in the active voice. The first unit I did in law school, we had a lecturer from ANU who said ‘throw everything you learnt in English Literature away’. I presume he meant that what you learn in English Literature is to use the language as an art, that ambiguity was beautiful and multiple meanings were eloquent and the better you can hide a meaning the more impressive it is, and a range of other BS – ironically I feel this is how you feel. However, in real life, just like in your legal career, imposing an English Literature approach to writing or speaking just increases irritability to the reader. It conveniently filters the less intelligent people from being able to understand and annoys the rest for having to actually having to process something that should be straight forward.
Regarding your point 4, I believe that intelligent people have a tendency to soften/harden sentences merely by their choice of words, order and tone, sometimes subconsciously. For example ‘errors of logic’ sounds impressive no? Sounds almost like a term in itself, but what does it really mean?
1.)Why don’t you just say they made an error or did not make a logical choice?
2.) What is logic? Your logic or their logic or??
When you construct a sentence, generally you want to convey an idea or expression. Why would you want to distract people from the real content of a topic. Sure it would be fun to discuss what logic is, but how does it relate to the issue that you REALLY want to discuss? It’s not a matter of whether it is allowed but what is more effective.
An example:
The easy way to express something: I told you not to eat so much today, didn’t you say you didn’t want to get fat?
Your way of phrasing it: I told you not to eat so much today, why would you make such a stupid error of logic.
I know this is an extreme example, but in five minutes I couldn’t think of a better one Instead imagine that most of your sentences revolving now on what is logic rather than the apple and weight. The conversation could branch on forever.
I’d like to email you for a more personal chat. However, I don’t know where I can find your address on the site.
Charles,
No, I think this is just how I write and I think you’re silly for spending so much time and writing so much trying to either get me to change or embarrass me for it.
It is amazing how some people keep trying to guess at aspects of my life, like my supposed “legal career”. You make a lot of assumptions, as if you’re trying to impress me with what you can guess about who I am.
I could play the very same game with your word choice. Let’s start with “soften/harden sentences”?
I’m not clear on what you’re referring to so I’m going to assume you’re asking about why I use the word “fallacy.” Well, it’s because a “fallacy” is not just a simple error nor is it “not making a logical choice.”
You’re being disingeneous. Obviously “my” logic, but with regards to those participating or observing, it would be the “logic” that is the most subjectiveuly persuasive to them individually. This is the reason why people offer substantiations, explanations, and arguments for their opinions.
This isn’t an extreme example, it’s a completely inappropriate and inapplicable one. I think making bad examples that demonstrate a clear misunderstanding of what you’re trying to criticize is right up there with writing sentences that don’t consciously consider the lowest common denominator, if not worse.
I disagree with your characterization of most of my sentences. We’ll have to agree to disagree.
Click on my name, and use the contact form. Just make sure “more personal” doesn’t involve any kinky whispering in my ear.
nvikie sounds like a mainland Chinese dude.
Kai, I’m sure you meant to slam one of the American posters. Be a little more careful next time.
Brad, if you re-read nvikie’s comment again, and then mine, you’ll note that I was actually responding to nvikie. Given your snide attitude towards me, I’ll return the favor: “Be a little more careful next time.”
Also, just because nvikie has bad English doesn’t necessarily mean he’s mainland Chinese. However, I understand how you suspect so. Still, we won’t know for certain unless he says so (and even then…).
Kai, if you re-read nvikie’s comment again, and then yours, and then mine, you’ll note that I was actually responding to your comment to nvikie.
Most mainland Chinese like nvikie have never been out of their own country, so this part you wrote is a bit crass: “Amazing, it’s as if you people have NEVER seen a fight break out in any other country with any other race/ethnicity/nationality before…”
Cripes, I have to spell it out for you. First, I know you’re responding to my comment to nvikie. You asserted that I had mistakenly responded to him instead of the American commenters. I replied that, no, I was replying to nvikie as I intended.
Second…
Again, what is your basis for assuming that nvikie is mainland Chinese?
You need to stop ASSUMING that he is mainland Chinese.
Third, even if he is mainland Chinese, you need to stop assuming he has never been out of the country (even if most mainland Chinese haven’t). You also need to stop assuming he’s never “seen” things such as fights in other countries. The internet is an amazing tool, Brad, and many Chinese who haven’t been out of the country see a lot of stuff that happen in other countries though this intarweb thing.
Fourth, again, RE-READ CAREFULLY. The basic thrust of nvikie’s comment is that this shouldn’t be between Shanghainese and “waidi” people, but an issue about “CHINESE people.” My response was to say shit like this (fights) isn’t unique to Chinese people or society. My response was to say that this sort of shit happens in every society, country, people. This sort of shit includes what nvikie specifically notes as “so many people standing around there looks like a stone and let this kind of things happen.”
lol at the tv reporter wtf? is he even related to the incident?
If one of then was a Wai GOU ren…. then the whole road would have been a very violent mob baying for his blood.
Ask me how I know.
hahha I really want 2 know
yeh but then just one single waigouren could anhilate every chinese person on the street.
ask ME how I know ;)
Would that be a foreign… dog person?
damn it.hardly should i know why hot in the comment of a fight scene,conversely the dispute between Shanghaiese and waidiren is meanless.KBS audiences are watching chick talks of the fight,and our topic.
I starting to see a pattern here. It seems like Wai Gou Ren in China are being oppressed. I’m on your side man!
Holy shit man. I’m scrolling thru this 2nd time whoa there be some hilarious photos. I can’t stop laughing. My *eopl* are some funny ass dudes.
you know after looking the pictures again I must say Ill defenetely do her haha, she is so intense maybe is the same on the sack
ha! I thought I was the only one 9and was too ashamed to say) but yes, she would certainly get it. definitely something about her. although, if she has given birth to fat boy there, not sure how intact she will be
yep. Just another day in paradise!
Ha, I loved the fat boy on picture 16.
Clenching his little fists like he wants to join the brawl.
Oooh I am Shanghainese. Listen to my accent. It’s so good.
I want to complain about all the damn Xinjiang thieves in my city. And about all the damn poor people from Anhui who make the streets look so untidy when I am shopping. I don’t like them. And those weird people from the south, in Guangdong and Guangxi. They are so weird. Especially when I am trying to drive my car, and the light is red, and they are crossing the road!
I hate these strange people from these strange places. Shanghai is so good. Shanghai has no problems. Clearly this is because Shanghai people like me are so much better.
And I love the motherland. China should be together. And never apart. We are all Chinese.
EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!!!!
u should open ur mind ‘n accept other people’s actions which u think is stupid, as they r also humanbing jus like u live on this planet, dont think u ‘n ur family r much higher class than others, hav u ever think abt why this happen, is the people come from XJ are thieves when they where born? why people comes from Anhui are poor? i dont think they want to be poor, from my pov this is becoz da current bad society makes them like this. dont 4got that most of da shanghai’s resources r coms from those place, oil from XJ, electric from Anhui, even da house u living now is built from the hand of those poor people, if u really want ur city live better, why dont u go out and help those people, if u think that will makes ur hand dirty, then at least show some respact, looser!!!, To sumup, u r nothing, even less then a potato…
Where is you from? I think you are the xinjiang person like to steal things.
Please stop interferring in the internal affairs of the beloved motherland.
And I love the motherland. China should be together. And never apart. We are all Chinese.
I’m being sarcastic of course
go 4qself, maybe u dont understand what ive said, u said u love motherland N china should b together, this is what u guys do? 1st of all, want china together but on da other hand, racist XinJiang, Anhui, GuangDong, or poor people from other place, only the ShangHai people is the best? other place’s people is like shit? may b u read 2much communism stuff, what u can do is only speak how u luv ur country to everybody, do u even know what is meant by a COUNTRY? go to learn 1st. luv ur country is not just speak from your big 4qn mouth, it needs some actions sucker…u should shame of urself being a suck dick, i turly understand why u being such loser, but really cant understand why u go out even go online showin others how bitch u r? pls give ur answer if u can sucker…
That bitch rules.
Dude, look at that chicks leg muscles!!!!! One kick to balls and its TKO!
What I learned in China is if you need to use self defense, do it quickly and get out of there. You have about 2 good minutes and then everyone’s family tree will be enjoying the show.
i never intervene in fights.
chinese fighting chinese – everybody wins.
no because then the government comes in a KILLS them both… and they WE feel bad for them again. Whilst the Chinese onlookers go home and eat their rice.
Waidiren means people who is not from the local, Shanghai people have accents too.
Why are people always fighting in China? Not a week goes by where I don’t see at least two fights on the street. Then again, it’s really quite entertaining because Chinese men fight like girls…
heard a good fight on the CRH today in the next car down. turned out to be over a ‘double-booked’ seat. china needs more seats, i guess.
china is so messed up. i can’t believe people think they will really be a work power. they are so retarded they can’t even control a street fight, and they think they are going to control the world. right now they are just a tool for economic growth, nothing more.
world power! not work power! sorry, my bad…
Did my comments get harmonized??? WTF
LoL, come on, buddy, you knew it was just a matter of time!
haha I love the smug, stifled smirk on the Korean reporter as he views the ‘barbaric’ and ‘uncivilized’ Chinese ‘dogs’
Loawai who has worked in both South Korea and the PRC. Hate to tell you PRC, but Koreans look down on Chinese because they think you are dirty ie don’t shower too often. Look, Im a westerner and let me tell you that Koreans are the most personally hygienic people in the world. Real saunas (not rub and tug shops) are to die for and are found in every street in Korea.
First of all, most Asians look down at each other while the white folks from the West generally look down at Asians, unless they are the typical sino/japo-philes types.
I have been to most Asian countries, NA, and a few places in Europe and I have to say that Japan/Singapore are the cleanest places in the world. Korean people are hygienic unless you live with them, then you realize that their Kimchis creates a permanent stench in the fridge and most of the males also happen to be alcoholics.
Most of the people living in large Chinese cities are very hygienic. The migrants who are doing hard labor to build the cities are not for obvious reasons. That will always be the case.
Is this some kind of joke? Chinese people even in the cities are fucking disgusting. Some dont shower for days. Some residents dont even have bath tubs. They spit on the side walk, scratch their butt in public, cough up phelgm in front of everyone. They smoke in front of little children with no regards for others. Generally speaking, walking through any large Chinese city made me nauseous. The awful pollution didnt help either.
In my personal experience Chinese people in general are the dirtiest group of asians. Koreans and Japanese are clean. Dont kid yourself and think Chinese people belong in the equation.
you’ve obviously never come into close contact with koreans. after having korean students living at my rental property, im now tempted to put no koreans on my rental ads. Chinese are ok, only problem is they cook too much.
Peasant white males like you shouldnt be travelling to CancerKorea and PRC. Come back to the West and iron our clothes.
Damn… so this is where my waiter went to.
Please don’t be dirtying up the good Waiters. Most waiters are cool as fuck.
I thought you Americans used Mexican labour for all your menial work and hard labour.
You don’t want to do those jobs … yet you don’t want too many of those Mexicans in your country. Terrible quandary for you Yanks.
False.
Japanese people are the most hygienic. Hands down.
Koreans are cleaner than chinese by a country mile though.
You should hear what the Koreans have to say about white people, who have strong BO.
You should hear about what white people who say that Asians smell like onions and garlic.
Seriously, that’s such an immature remark.
What’s with the hate? Everyone civilisation has something to learn from another. Get over it. We’re all human.
It’s our extreme masculinity,, can’t help it. We just ooze of male hormones and raw sexual attraction. But at least we tend to use deodorants. Btw it’s quite wrong that Chinese people rarely shower. While it might be true for older generations or workers without fascilities young educated people prefer to shower every day. My workmates tell me that they only occasionally miss a shower in the morning when there is a line because they tend to share their apartment with 3-4 room mates here.
Haha thats the whole irony of it. Koreans are wannabe Chinese and since they can never be better than Chinese, they have to put them down to feel superior.
It’s kind of logical since no country really aspires to be like Korea. What is there to aspire to? The only thing that Korea is remotely popular for is plastic surgery, kimchi, korean bbq and starcraft. Since Sony > Samsung — what else is there that Korea is good at?
Seriously, if stars like Won Bin and Kim Tae Hee never existed, no one would even know about Korea except Koreans. K Drama is the only thing stopping China from thinking Korea is an outdated, dirty and uncivilised country.
Haha… yeah sure.
Well, if a countries can be judged by their airports or automobiles, electronics, building construction, ships, per capita income than South Korea is light years ahead of China.
If anything Koreans (and Chinese) are wannabe Japanese.
Ahh Sushi you are so right. I am definitely not a fan of Koreans, but at least they have given back to the rest of the world and are clean. The other day I was on a flight to China from HK on air China and I kept smelling something which I thought was just me be close to the bathroom.
However, as I walked off the plane, I passed a row that had a pile of SHIT covered by a dirty diaper and I mean a PILE. The 5,000 year cultured Chimatrons let their child drop a load on the floor and then the stewardess didn’t even bother to pick it up.
Meanwhile, I have flown on KAL, JAL, and Dragon, always clean, always polite, and oh yeah NO SHIT ON THE FLOOR.
“If anything Koreans (and Chinese) are wannabe Japanese.”
Yes, I remember watching this Taiwan TV show whose goal is to make Chinese girls to act/look like Japanese. Most of the biggest young idols in Korea are all taking up Japanese and are doing massive TV shows in Japan, in Japanese.
But the biggest Japanese wanna-bes? That would be the Weeaboos/Japophiles from the Western nations.
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Weeaboo
That’s hilarious! You have Asian girls trying to have double eyelids and almond eyes. Then you have white girls trying to have Asian eyes. What’s the world coming to… globalisation.
50% of asians naturally have double eyelids (except koreans). In terms of almond eyes, I see a bunch of white guys running off with asian girls across the world. Where is the beauty in that?
The truth is: Koreans ALONE want double eyelids. White girls can never be asian girls unless they lose 2 tons of fat
plenty of non-koreans get eye surgery. also…the difference between white girls and asian girls is, well…white girls are actually white WOMEN, with or without your stipulated “2 tons of fat.” a real man wants a woman with a woman’s body and a woman’s brain. not a girl with a flat chest, fake contacts, and an obession for spending money.
It’s just as well that Japan has been experiencing negative economic growth, stagflation and is still recovering from a huge recession right? ^^
Given the small landmass of Korea, there is no doubt that GDP per capita is higher. However as far as pure economic growth is concerned, Seoul is still light years behind China.
The fact that China has so much more influence on the world, is capable of hosting the olympics, is the leading sports and military powrhouse, and can afford meat on a daily basis (unlike Koreans) is a sign that Korea is clearly behind.
I was actually contemplating learning Korean or Chinese at one stage. Then I realised that learning Korean would be a waste of time, since theres really very little to gain from learning. After I spoke to a number of Koreans, I realised that their attitude towards Western People is similar to what the Chinese people were like a few decades ago, they are very close minded people.
What kind of Chinese utopia do you live in? Despite the impressive gains, there are still 500 MILLION Chinese living on under $2/day.
I see, that’s probably why Seoul had the Olympics 21 years ago and also why the number one fashion influence in China is Korea.
Korea is clearly backward. Epic Fail… But nice try Charles.
China doesn’t have influence in the world, the world hates China, see the difference?
The World hates the United States too
The world used to hate the British
When a nation rises to superpower status… it naturally gets a lot of haters.
I dont see anyone hating on Tonga or Liechtanstein or Fiji
We cannot influence the civilian population of America, because after all 1/5 people cant even find their own nation on a world map. But we can influence their governments to do things for us. Money is power, always was, always will be.
Nice try, Captain Obvious Loser
I can’t speak for the world but I know I hate Amerika big time.
People in the US think of Korea as nothing but a backward SHTHOLE! I’m sorry but we in the US are light years ahead of CancerKorea.
Kimchi breaths come to USA as illegal immigrants despite being from a “developed nation” at a faster rate than even third world shtholes like Cambodia and Vietnam. Despite being “clean”, Korean girls definitely dont have clean pussies working as hookers with 15-20 customers a day.
I have spent years looking for that one rich white male that could speak for all citizens of the USA. Little did I know that today you would post on Chinasmack.com.
My experience is that a whore is a whore. They are useful for their purpose. And, China (and Asia for that matter) has their fair share. It’s more a function of male dominance.
When I first red this story I thought “Typical China, its never a one on one fight.” However, if that dousche bag pushed the kid or got physical, he deserved an ass whooping by the whole tribe.
@Veerleft I have been the victim of a Chinese mobbing too based on a Chijasouras saying I punched his wife. Lovely society
And yet you still keep coming back to China. You must love being bashed and abused. Well, it works for both parties
Let’s be honest, most of the expats wouldn’t be much in their own countries, but at least in China they can feel like they are someone important :)
Well,at least we dont come here and be dish washers. ;)
its funny to read every time fdlr rip on Chinese because he himself is a half chink mongrel.
So he hates his mom so much he wants to get nasty with her?
i guess hes ashamed that one of his parents was a dish washer
Um I’m a half mongrel? You wish Chimatron. Now Iron my clothes and give me two from column B.
see how hes now much more reserved with his insults now that i aired out his dirty little secret. typical chinaman. even if its only half.
Dude every morning when I wake up, I look in the mirror and say to myself “thank fucking god, I am not a Da Lu Ren”. You can speculate all you want on my nationality, but you are the only monkey in this conversation :)
Whats the matter Fcuk Da Lu Ren, getting defensive? LOL, Pathetic half chink lao wai. Don’t worry i’ll hire your mom to work at my restaurant. Leave her details here ^^.
This guy is a joke
All these losers coming over to China to become english teachers. Back in the West, they were nothing but peasants but coming over to China, they get a few Chinese peasants looking up to them. So now they think they are all high and mighty
But the funny thing is, those “peasant” english teachers have fucked your GF and your mother is their ayi ;)
BTW, I appreciate a little banter, at least you monkeys are finally pushing back. Good for you. Now get your peanut butter, cover yourself in it nude and wrap your Chinese flag around you. Then it will be complete
Man…FU FAUNA for creating this piece of crap website where I come to everyday to look at all the dumb ass shit that humans engage in.
Thanks. BTW– I would tap that azz, no doubt.
Pray that the aliens are coming!
Also…could you fix the comment system…so to make it easier for people to follow comment threads? The current system makes you jump all over the place…hard to follow and very annoying.
aw man if this only happened a month ago i woulda seen it
Come to Harbin and hang out near the train station, bus station, or any market for two hours on any given summer’s day. Bring a camera.
yeah, dont mess with Dong Bei Ren. Shanghainese fighting is only bitching about the other side. but in the North…hey the walk the talk!!
i think the yellow master race deserve the Coloseum more than italian!! we should invade Roma and take it for our Gladiatores and angry bitches figths!
yellow master race have said!
By the way, I love this “theory” that most expats are over here because they failed in their own country. Most of the “EXPATS” that are SENT over here are in villas and making more money that most Chimatrons in their whole life in won month. Most of those expats don’t like being here because Chinese are and I quote “savages” so they live in little communities where the only Chinese are their ayis.
Then there are the adventurous lao wai’s that have come out here to “see China” only to learn that the the beautiful, culture filled romantic view they had of China disappears when they see a kid shitting on the street (saw it today on NANJING ROAD)
Finally there IS a small amount of podunk, white trash, odd looking weirdos that float over here magically somehow and bang everything that moves. Yes it disgusts me too, but it just goes to show how stupid Chi Mates are that they would FCUK and lao wai, because they think he is rich, passport, whatever (thus again proving Chinese to be stupid). Oh and by the way, that freak lao wai still makes more teaching part time then most Beijing University Masters Degree students. (L) China :)
are u angry because u were unlucky enough to get an asian lower half mongrel boy?
I don’t know maybe you should ask your GF, she visits 3 times a week. Twice to clean my house and the other to service my lower half :)
Come on Fcuk, you were alright for the last hundred posts. Why are you being so insecure now? It’s alright, we know ur mom is a dishwasher and that you came to China for a better living. Although welfare benefits in USA are mediocre as far as I know.
As an expat, if you have to brag about how much you make compared to the locals then you are not all that.
The fact of the matter is that most expats in China make less than what they would in their original countries. If you work in the financial/consulting field the differences can be quite large when it comes to bonus season.
So why would anyone take a pay cut and live in a country with so many things which they don’t like?
Because only in China can these people can feel as important :)
Man, Charles you are so witty and so right!!! I bow down to your superior intellect. Can you baptize me into the monkey kingdom? Im so ready to (L) China.
Hahahaha… Nah, you’re alright Da Lu Ren, its just funny to see you sweat and try and defend yourself against anonymous people on the internet. If you had friends in China, you wouldn’t be spending so much time ranting and complaining online =)
Hell hath no fury like a bitch whose useless-ass man be creepin’ all up on that skank ass kootchie fo the last time, YOU KNOW what time it is!
Westerners are so superior…
Pray the aliens come Neo-colonist Neo-imperialist racists! YOU ARE THE ONE!
You know what Western Civilization is defined by? Western Civ. is nothing but a cancerous growth–like a drug addict that needs constant “change” to feed it’s ever growing addiction for “growth” and “progress.” Then they love to turn around and get all condescending about China and all her problems (why are you so polluted! Why you have so many people!). we’re all simply trying to be like you mastas! If it weren’t for you we would still be hermits…in balance. (It’s basically play the Western “progress” game or risk being exterminated. Oh believe that, Chinese people are viewed as sub-human in the Western world!) I guess you argue about the balance part…but I tell you we won’t be like what we are today.
They love to think they are like the pinnacle of the world. Love it how all their narrative is always “progress.” Everybody evolve the “best” system they possibly can right? And the West has the best possible system! A fucking system for efficient cancerous growth. It has been said that history is nothing but contact with the West. Well…exactly…cancer!
Well… I’m afraid Capt. Absurdity won’t be here much longer. The day is coming.
The funny thing is…the real dudes behind the throne of the West…are a bunch of weird non-human entities.
LOOK man. I’m just sick of getting hated on for every little thing I do.
Come on guys.. One World One Dream right? hahaha
1world?, what dream? that needs human blood to succsexful.
I officially dub thee Capt. Dumbass Loser.
You are all becoming boring in your predictability.
BTW. If the laowais come here and stimulate your economy, teach your kids how to read ENGLISH so that they can get the most out of the inet (lol) , teach your wives how to KJ, and then occupy/convert/monopolize a female (in short supply no?)….ARE ALL LOSERS, WHAT DOES THAT MAKE YOU?
Careful …its a trap.
Are you talking to me? I wasn’t talking to you, I talking to Capt. Absurdity.
Either way, loser is loser.
Everyone is loser :) 666!
“If the laowais come here and stimulate your economy, teach your kids how to read ENGLISH so that they can get the most out of the inet (lol) , teach your wives how to KJ, and then occupy/convert/monopolize a female (in short supply no?)….ARE ALL LOSERS, WHAT DOES THAT MAKE YOU?”
Uh, that would make the locals the employers of the laowais?
But ALL Chinese people fight – it’s part of the culture to fight over the most stupid things everyday.
i agree with u, but not all, i think the main reason is that currently many chinese are hav no faith,everything they learn is from school and family, but this is what Chinese gov wants their citizen to be, they wants chinese belive Communism N Science, N obey their family and gov’s decision, if anyone say anything against them, then stop their mouth N do the brain wash, many chinese want China become stronger, but they forgot the most import thing is to love the people they live together. I saw many Chinese are killed in 1998 in indonesia, many chinese are too afried to be killed and rapped then kill their family and kill themself… but what Chinese gov doing is that stop the media N dont let chinese knowing… dont know what kind of gov is that…? decide yourself…
True statement.
The funniest part is when a fight occurs we all gather around the people who are fighting to cheer them on.
I can empathize with the Shanghainese. Singapore used to be very safe but now not a week goes by without some “wai di ren” murdering or fighting each other.
Just a few months back, a kitchen supervisor was killed just because he asked his “wai di ren” staff to wash the dishes.
That comment about nyc and how ppl get shot over cutting a line really shows how ignorant people around the world is. Course I’ll just fall into the ignorance as well and say DAMN you ghetto ass Shanghai people, fighting over this? throwing slippers and letting women fight for a seat? Ghetto! Please stay there, and yes the Koreans are making fun of you.
Oh and people who lived in NYC survived 9/11, we moved on and we really don’t have time to be fighting each other, when we’re all keeping our eyes open and paranoid about would be terrorists.
I see several fights each week in Guizhou. What’s the big deal?
Why is everyone such a jerk to everyone else?
Welcome to Chinasmack.
Its called China Smack, not China shake hands!!!
What’s the big deal .?? Chinese always fight over almost everything;it’s there in their genes …
I’d like to see that Chinese chicken throw down with one of these black chickens… my money would be on the Chinese chicken.
http://nothingtoxic.com/media/1236819047/Ghetto_Bitches_Beat_the_Living_Crap_Out_of_Each_Other
Anger is an emotion. I grew up in a place where people fought all the time. What’s the big deal? as long as people let emotions control them, there will always be fights.
I think shanghainese are the most ignorant, arrogant, uneducated idiots in the fucking world. and i feel sorry they happen to be chinese.
If one is really educated, he won’t write these words. Be objective.
Last time I saw a fight in Nanjing dong lu, there was a policeman, he did nothing more than call reinforcement and watch, he let a guy get bitten hard by 20 others people without doing anything…
I wanted to go… but my chinese friend told me not to.
She might have save my ass :P
It’s amazing no one mentioned this before: Chinese police have no incentive to break up fights, unless those fights become a ‘mass incident’. Chinese police, at the lower levels, are low paid and have no ’side business’ that their superiors enjoy. So why would they risk their health by intervening in a fight? Better to let them tire themselves, then toss them in a van.
Chinese street-level police have no interest in involving themselves in a dispute, unless one party cuts them in.
So Chinese police have no interest in common disputes. Unless you grant them an interest, of course …