Three days ago, the ADAC released the crash test results for the Chinese-made Brilliance BS4 car. Here are some Chinese reactions:
From KDS:
ADAC test results say it is at most the safety standards of 10 years ago. Collision experiments show: After the crash there is a serious threat to life, especially at 64km/h side impact there is almost no possibility of survival.
So Germany’s ADAC gave Brilliance the lowest points of 0 stars out of 5 stars. Although the price is attractive, the test results cast a shadow upon domestic cars hoping to enter and compete in the European market. 
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Comments:
加个卤蛋 deencat:
Chinese professional trash. I cannot believe they came up with this name [Brilliance], what an insult to our countrymen.
流线小胖子 zhc1984:
It is not as if this is the first time, nor will it be the last time.
帝豪 mashish:
I am already very satisfied that it is not negative points.
火舞艳阳 coolfiresh:
If Brilliance was BMW, I bet it would be 5 stars.
无风无雨 babysun:
A plot by German devils.
They are afraid they cannot sell their [VW] Santanas.
川沙特派员 sonicwy:
LZ, don’t Japanese cars get very high points?
But go take a look at the Japanese cars driven on the roads within the country.
How many of them can survive a crash with a Brilliance?
I am referring to those around the 100,000 [RMB price] range.
Niihilwan Niihilwan:
You are very shanzhai…during a traffic accident, are the people more important or the car more important…foreign evaluation agencies all use the person’s safety as the foundation…including pedestrian’s protection…impact absorption and materials deformation is a concept from 30 years ago…
一天一点 odop:
Domestic cars can only survive a crash with bicycles.
Niihilwan Niihilwan:
It looks like Brilliance does not have much to make excuses…from the shape of the impact, it is too horrible to look at…flying parts, the entire safety design completely had no modular design consideration. If the side is weak, they can add a crossbeam in the door to reinforce it…
Hehe, private enterprises are still working hard for their basic survival, I will give them some time.
heihei shkuku:
Brilliance is state-owned.
I think Germans are a little black, the collision speed is faster than normal, but of course the car itself has defects. To have the Germans do this test proves they are taking us seriously, and that we have an impact on their products, which can also be considered progress.
不经不觉 kimmyhu:
The money was not stuffed properly.
无想 csnqian:
ADAC at least is more trustworthy than CNCAP.
鲜肉油墩子 kimish03:
Wasn’t this lousy car claimed to be 4* [stars]~
I have always wondered how many * [stars] an A3 would get if it was taken to Germany to be tested.
Domestic testing results cannot be trusted.
紫电 kavalier:
I want to first state that I am not wu mao, but I work with car companies a lot for my job and this test by Germans is indeed rather dirty. A few years ago the Changfeng Liebao was selling very well in Europe, so they released a report saying the Liebao was trash. This has the German automakers’ manipulation behind it, anyone with a normal IQ understands.
大接咖米 qq121796722:
So German websites have a lot of pop up windows too!!
紫电 kavalier:
The last word in ADAC is “Club”, it is a non-profit organization. A few years ago the [JMC, Jiangling] Landwind that was tested did not come from the factory, and dealers would also not take their own stock to go crash-test. ADAC has been established for over 100 years and never had an interest in testing Chinese cars. It was only when Chinese cars using low prices entered and competed in the European market that they began testing, everyone knows. Our domestic cars’ quality is poor, but our improvements over the past few years is very evident. Everyone think of the Japanese cars after the second World War, they were also bad, without the Japanese people’s support, they would not be what they are today.
吟风弄月 elevenlala:
If the Germans had this little money, could they produce a car with higher points?
How come they do not dare to test the Santana? The Germans are afraid of being exposed?
vwweirenjia:
Brilliance is continuously improving, this must be acknowledged! The same NCAP test, after Brilliance made some small improvements, in Spain had completely different results!
What more, from disastrous defeat to 3 stars, Brilliance only used 3 months! The 3 Series and C class also started from 2 stars! Getting to 5 stars took them almost 10 years! Why not give Brilliance some more time?
C-class
可 可 hotcoca:
The facts prove that we are indeed backwards, and being backwards deserves being attacked, and there is nothing to be done about it. If we do not use our energy to develop and raise our technical level, always YY our own products this or that, wanting to exceed this or that, please, look at the reputation they have for making cars??? What is our reputation for making cars???
JWU ntergang:
Ridiculous, saying ADAC takes money. ADAC’s standards are definitely the entire world’s best standards, and the Germans on this aspect are absolutely honest. Germany’s DIN standards are even more niubi than the world’s ISO standards.
川沙特派员 sonicwy:
LZ please finish reading the entire article before coming here to post a topic.
The Junjie’s points are already 3 stars.
However, because of the lack of active safety technology, especially ESP and seatbelt reminder system, it was completely negated, and its score became zero stars.
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there is a proverb in chinese:一分钱一分货”one penny only worth one penny’s quality”
EEP!! I’ll have a Tata Nano thanks…lol
on hindsight forget the nano..I;ll just be happy with good ol “Sylphid” my old 2002 MX-5
Right… Santana it is then
first to post! Damn I am crashing these boards like Chinese built vehicles
what the hell?! no wonder why the psot took too loong i got jumped by others before me!
No suprise here! Chinese people just don’t care about/believe in safety, most Chinese, including cops don’t wear seatbelts
LOL, so true. I once had an argument with a cab driver cos dude was dissing on me for wearing a seatbelt in his cab. Dude was like, hey man, take that shit off, people are looking at us like we’re freaks.
*I just went… biatch… and blew his head off, and got another cab.
I’m wild like that.
*Not really. Think real hard!
My gf’s dad works in China. He tells me I don’t need to wear a seat belt. I tell him old habits are hard to break. I’m not sure he beleives me. Its had not to wince when he turns looks back into the backseat to talk to the auntie or shaves on the freeway.
Uh to clarify my gf and her dad are chinese living in Hong Kong.
Wrong information, in the first test BS4 got 0, but in the second test 3 months later, the BS4 got 3 stars. I am afraid no one can understand the correct information
If they try to sell a car with the name BS4 in the U.S. they won’t get far (for non-native speakers BS is short for Bull Shit. Sort of like naming a car Fang Pi or maybe even like trying to sell an American car in China and naming it the GM250 where Americans wouldn’t get the significance of “er bai wu”. Any Chinese want to buy a car named 二百五?).
The car’s brand name BS is an epic fail even in Chinese since BS is a commonly used Internet abbreviation for Bi Shi (despise). Here in US, I got chilled every time when I was following a KIA sedan. Its Sino-Korean name sounds good, 起亚(qi ya, rise from Asia), but the person who made the English name should be Killed In Accident.
Yeah… that’s is absurd man. BS.
Then again, maybe it was made 4 me, since my favoriate word is (one of anyway) BS!
Honey, I’m taking the BS out so I can go do some BS over at the BS store, cos motherfuckers own me some BS over some BS! FUCK THIS BS!
The Krauts (comes from Sour-kraut something germans like to eat) are shaking in their boots, so they doctored the test results.
Looks are no good if the goods don’t perform.
It’s these test that make maunufactures make safer cars.
When checking the ADAC website the BS4 was rated at 3 stars for crash safety and 3 stars for child safety: http://www.oeamtc.at/refresh/frameset.php?p=http://www.oeamtc.at/netautor/html_seiten/crashtest/kompaktklasse/brilliance_bs4_2009.htm
“Domestic cars can only survive a crash with bicycles.”
Wow, this quote made my day LOL
But seriously, some Chinese people need to change! Stop looking at the gold in front of them (eye front gold <- translate that into Chinese), and start looking forward, into quality and security – aka the long run. Being Chinese myself, I feel shameful all the time that people see us as cheap, and fake makers because there are too many people out there, instead of using their innovative side to invent something, they use it to copy goods, make fakes, and etc. Sometimes these fakes harm people too. I believe that people should stop looking down on that single gold coin on the ground, and look up to see the giant pot of gold lying ahead if they do things honestly (aka, it will pay off in the long run) – honestly, people need to see that earning that small amount of gold means nothing if others are harmed, it just never pays off.
Stop creating cheap goods to earn that small amount of gold, like this car. Use the technology and knowledge to make good quality, mid priced cars or any goods instead, where the giant pot of gold lies (being a Chinese along with my friends, we can’t help but to laugh at the shameful car we had build, a 0 star car) *sigh
I am a man of innovation, so someday I am going back to China and start a brand where everyone can trust its quality (a non-food related product since the most trusted brands in China are mostly food/medicine related), but that is, after I graduate (long way off).
P.S. – Well, this is my theory at least, on why there are so many cheap goods (fake or not) in China that harms people. Money is important, but people are even more so. In another word, us, Chinese are a bit too materialistic (too greedy for money), thus we must change this kind of thinking if we want to live a good life.
I concur. Because many products are completely novel to most Chinese, they don’t really care about quality so much as price. By the second or third time they’re forced to by the same product, only brands with a strong reputation for quality will gain market share.
Too bad Deming isn’t as popular in China, as he is in Japan… :/
Until Chinese people start build some real quality **** then mofo’s on here will forever be dogging on Chinese BS.
Later.
Well, the theory goes (with these so-called Asian Tigers. I just lol at this term but that’s a story for another day) at some point people will be like…
Cousin #1: f*** this BS man, I’m sick of dying on my own BS crap that cousin #2 making. F*** my cousin #2, I hate that fool. Always trying to nickle and dime me. Let’s start making some quality sh**! Right on!
Then, the next day, Cousin #1 made some quality s***t.
End of story.
On the third day: God struck Cousin #1 down with vengeance.
On the fourth day: God destroyed the universe with Big Bang #2.
On the Fifth day: God recreated Cousin #1 to repeat the whole thing again (Cousin #1 in big-bang #1’s soul is dead. This is a new Cousin #1).
Brilliance is the BMW partner in China. I hope BMW cars are well built. Brilliance needs to invest more money into safety not just in aesthetics and designs.
European safety standards have kept going up. In time, China will catch up. But there are competitors paying attention at the low end of the market. To get the cheapest car on the market.
check out the care…then once again tell me they are putting all the money into aesthetics…
so we are agreed it was a flop?
haha, yes bring out the conspiracy theories.
the 3 pictures of the bmws are in fact shot with double the speed of the “brilliance” :)
that is the chinese propaganda always there.
in germany NOBODY would buy a chinese car.
in germany nobody would trust his life to chinese.
my comprehension of adult videos:
American AVs are commercial
French AVs are romantic and artistic
Italian AVs are imaginative
Japanese AVs are obscene
and German AVs are totally pervert. really. i have seen some germans AVs with shit-eating and fist-fucking contents
and then i thought: are germans living a too comfortable life so that they have to stuff shit into their head so that they will feel their life is meaningful?
Hey… you were the watchin!
I really should double-check my comments… should read:
You were the one watchin! Doooi
honestly, althought you double-checked your comment, i still not quite get it
The government needs money-stuffing classes.
Safety in China doesnt make money so they havent bothered stealing and copying the safety technology yet. Besides why would the government want them to drive safely, there are already too many of them.
Hahaha, so odd that so many of the Chinese netizens solution to the test results being sub-par is to get more money, bribes etc…sad.
Shows a lack of comprehension and a totally skewed value set.
European manufacturers invests billions of dollars each year in safety. Copying is not enough. That’s why European cards are more expensive than Chinese
I have never seen car accident in China.
Chinese drivers must be very good. Don’t need safety features that only make car more expensive.
I’ve known a few people who’ve died from car accidents in China. These occur outside the city, of course. Inside the city, there’s too much traffic, pedestrians, and bicycles to drive very fast. I actually see car accidents every week, they just tend to be minor (except when a bus runs over a cyclist).
How long have you been in China? Or do you get around with your eyes closed? I regularly see car accidents, although big ones only once in a while. I do however see at least one totally smashed up car on the highway every time I leave the city, often with pools of blood all over the road.
Thank you,Alex.
What’s the fuxk made up the story?
chinese cars are good in fact.
western media hates everything chinese.
That’s the typical answer I often hear from Chinese from the mainland when goods from china end up in the media for the wrong things.
If a company wants a product to be successful in a market it wants to sell its goods, it has to pass the test in that market like everyone else.
Rather than question the tests or label the people bias, admit the product is not up to the required standard as the competition and go back to the drawing board and improve.
This clearly shows what type of standards required for cars in europe.
Don’t people in china want their products to be of higher quality and safer?
Are you serious? They’re the most rust-infected, crapily built cars I’ve ever seen. And I’ve been in many different cars. I used to think some of Hyundai’s cars were the worst, but since being in China I can comfortably say we have a new low in car quality…
It doesn’t matter about safety stars their cars are junk and Chinese drivers are the absolute worst on the planet. They make Egyptian taxi drivers look good!
I wouldn’t mind buying a Chinese car back in Europe,, I would mind buying a car where I risked dying if I bumped over the kerb. 0 stars,, no good,, even if the car is 20 percent cheaper than its direct competitors. Here in China what matters for 99 percent of the buyers is looks and/or comfort,, safety is nothing.
Just look at the traffic here,, it is an absolute joke. If you guys want to sell cars in Europe and America then do your homework first,, as opposed to China where people don’t think twice about jumping on a scooter with the wife on the back and the kid wedged in between the handlebars and the seat in the west we actually think about what might happen to our family and kids if we were in an accident.
No surprises here, Chinese don’t value human life as there is so much to go around, so what if a few hundred thousand people die in under built cars? There are a few million waiting to take their place.
That is capitalist China for you.
Ahh . . . . Now I understand why all those officials drive Audis and BMWs, they are afraid of missing work due to accidents! Once again they sacrifice their money for the people’s well-being!
Hrmm, I believe you mean they sacrifice the people’s money for their own well being?
that, or I’m bad with sarcasm
“The world would be stunned if every day an airliner carrying 300 passengers crashed in China. But the fact is that such a casualty actually happens, albeit not in the sky but on the roads.
The latest figures, released by the public security department, show that the country saw nearly 100,000 people die on its roads last year – the world’s largest group of victims of traffic accidents.
In terms of the commonly used “deaths per 10,000 vehicles” index, China’s record was 9.2 last year, as compared with 15.45 in 1999. While in developed countries, the number is generally below 5.
Officials also revealed that China’s vehicles account for only 2 per cent of the world’s total, but they cause more than 15 per cent of its total road deaths.”
This was written in 2005.
In my opinion its not all about the safety of the cars, its the complete ignorance of the people using the road. I dont know what the law says but it appears that people only care about what is in front of them. Everyone else can go fuck themselves.
yeah, maybe because licenses can be purchased…
does it worry anyone else that there is a new generation of drivers that rely solely on the automated systems to know when they’ll hit something backing up and don’t use their mirrors or eyes? keep your kids close by…
I got to agree with Tommy on this one. Chinese drivers scare the hell out of me. How many people have seen drivers backing up or just straight driving backwards on the highway (ring road), into oncoming traffic, because they missed their exit? Or had drivers who turn their lights off at night to try and cut “electricity costs”. Been pissing off the shoulder (outside Beijing) and had some asshole bombing down he shoulder at you honking like you should move. The best is take a look at the concrete barriers near toll booths. They are all bashed down to the bars. I even saw a dump truck do a wheely. Not really a driving story, but he was dropping a load under a bridge, the bucket hit the top of the bridge, the load fell out and shot the whole front end up in the air, with all the wait on the back couple tires. The bus drivers scare me more than anything, they just go where they want to and you better move. I am scared that one of them will come crashing through my apartment one day and I live on the 12th floor.
Yeah…talking about Chinese driving here is a funny article from http://www.shenzhenparty.com/answers/chinese-driving-licence-exam-question-ba
You know you’re a Chinese driver when….
You park on a corner
You double park on a corner
You park on a pedestrian crossing
You drive down the speed lane at 20km per hour talking on the phone
You indicate your turn after you make it
You stop in the middle of the freeway to answer the phone
You stop in the middle of the freeway because you’re lost
Traffic rules only apply to everyone else
You go the wrong way up the on ramp to a freeway to avoid a traffic jam
You don’t know the meaning of ‘Give way’, ‘Yield’, ‘Stop’
You make a left turn from 5 lanes to the right
You make a right turn from 5 lanes to the left
You drive using ‘The force’ or ‘Qi Gong’ in Chinese
You block rush hour traffic because you scratched another car in front and argue about how much money you should pay or get
You block rush hour traffic after a minor accident until you can pay off the other driver
You block rush hour traffic after a minor accident until the other driver pays you
You both block rush hour traffic after an accident until you can both pay off the traffic police
You are surprised to see laowai’s driving cars. You though only Chinese could drive because cars were invented in China….Weren’t they?
Everywhere you go you must blow your car horn once every 5 meters
When pedestrians on a cross walk MUST give way to you.
You do a ‘U’ turn in a one way street
Everyone on the road MUST give way to you
You overtake someone just to stop in front of them
You don’t let anyone in front of you because they will get to the red traffic light first
You drive down the centre lane on a double lane highway until you decide which lane you want
You reverse back up the freeway because you missed your exit by 2 kms
You make a ‘U’ turn into oncoming traffic because you missed your exit by 2 kms
Your hazard (flashers) act as a force field against on coming traffic when you do this
You use the sidewalk as an extra lane
Drinking alcohol actually improves your driving
You use ‘peak hour’ traffic to practice your driving
You know how to do the 27 point ‘U’ turn
You drive at night with no lights on to save the light bulbs
You drive down the middle of the centre lane at night because you can’t see where you’re going
It cost you ten dollars to get a drivers licence that you didn’t have to take a test for
Your driving your BMW and everyone bows when they see you go by.
Slept your way into the BMW you’re driving
You need 15 clear car spaces to park you car and It’s a QQ
You don’t give way to ambulances with their flashing lights on
You drive faster than police cars
Everywhere you go you must blow your car horn once every 5 meters
I actually laughed out loud!!!!!
Yes its real. My driver was constantly honking the horn even though the nearest car was several car lengths behind us and had been driving in a consistent steady manner for miles. LOL!!!!!
Awesome! It’s all true; it’s all so miserably true.
Fukking chinese piece of trash, driving cars made by the drity hands of ugly slanted eye ching chang chong equals suicide. Stupid chinese pigs, can’t make decent cars.
That’s why Japan owns your sorry asses, bitches.
Not too articulate are we?
Shut up! Nobody is interested in what an idiot like you has to say.
I find they drive just like they walk. Absolutely no regard for what is going on around them except one meter in front.
Yeah, I love when they stand in front of escalators.
I never saw an traffic accident in Beijing. But I payed 3 times for “scratching” the car. Although, “scratches” would vanish after wiping them whit thumb.
Can we try to refrain from blatant racism please? The issues surrounding a society or it’s various ‘faults’ are free for discussion I am sure, but just calling names at an entire nation or people (regardless of their involvement in the topic) is a fruitless and childish practice.
Although it may not always seem like it, China is also made up of individuals with their own ideas and habits.
Please treat this board with respect so that we don’t become the Laowai version of China Daily ok?
I agree, but you gotta admit the thing about “you know you’re a chinese driver when…” was pretty damn funny.
Hear hear VeerLeft…The above post was not meant to be racially demeaning, or critical of all Chinese drivers… and I do apologise if it seemed that way…it was only a reprint of a funny list of some driving habits that I’m sure we have all seen in reality in China at one time or another, no offense intended.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ye2G7z8oW0
See The Truth For Yourself
REAL Consumer Tests
youtube is blocked, dumbass. how about posting something useful for once?
The car looks so good. But, performs so poorly… just like the San Lu milk products.
I am Chinese and proud of it BUT… I will NEVER, EVER, EVER buy a Chinese car. I am a car guy and have been a grease monkey all my life. I’ve examined many Chinese cars of my co-workers (in China of course) and these machines (not going to name) are just not built to last, even the RMB200K+ ones are disappointing.
“China is also made up of individuals with their own ideas and habits.” Welllllllll, yes and no.
Some western countries have used deceased bodies for car crash research. Since the Falun Gong people are often used as organ “donors” in China, why not use some live bodies for car crash tests.
in 2003 at Francfort car meeting, chinese 4X4 Landwind have been elected “the car the most dangerous of the last 30 years”.
I’ve got it! After a very long time I have realized what the law is on the road. Here it is…….
You can do ANYTHING you like [risking everyone’s life around you] for example driving the wrong way down a bicycle lane IF, you lean on your horn for at least 3 seconds before you do it.
Its like this, I have leaned on my horn and you have heard me. Now that you know I am here it is up to you to get out of MY way NOW. If you don’t then it’s your fault.
This rating is wrong in so many levels.
It did not deserve a 0 star rating. My website tells why.
3 star front impact rating, 4 star side impact rating. This is all BS.
Ive worked in the Chinese car industry for over 10 years and been to Brilliance many times. I wouldnt buy one. Advanced Collision protection has been something the Euro OEMs have been working on for decades. Chinese Car companies just started crash testing ten years ago and that was with their own tests. Serious crash testing buy leading outside firms has only been around a few years in the local market.You can’t argue with the science of the tests.Facts are a stubborn thingg.
“A plot by German devils.
They are afraid they cannot sell their [VW] Santanas.”
That comment is funny. Besides that model being used for taxis, I have no idea why would anyone want to buy a Santana! Santana sales have dropped because the Chinese are finally learning the Santana sucks. WHy else do you think the all new VW Lavida came out of nowhere. With Lavida, Bora, Polo and Santana sort of all in the similar price range. Santana is the surely the worst among the four and you don’t even need to be bias to see why! Santana is the 1980’s Passat with a facelift, So obselete!
Now back to the star rating. Pretty much all cars in the international market have 5 stars. No excuse. Korean cars have 5 stars so you don’t need sly comments like these “If Brilliance was BMW, I bet it would be 5 stars.” You don’t need an European car to get the 5 stars.
Seeing this “3 star front impact rating, 4 star side impact rating.” It doesn’t really matter becuase you should achieve a 5. Its either a 5 or a fail! I remember i read somewhere that getting the 5 stars is not so hard anymore. COME ON! EVEN A TINY CAR LIKE MAZDA 2 HAS 5 STARS! NO EXCUSE FOR THIS MID SIZE SEDAN LIKE BRILLIANCE BS TO NOT GET THE 5 STARS! Again its either a 5 or a fail!
FYI: Chery A3 got 5 stars. So yes Chinese cars can achieve it. But the the Chery QQ is still a very unsafe car.