The house he lives in has no door, only a very small window, the interior is completely dark.
From Sina:
Revealing Prosperous and Powerful America’s Impoverished Other Side
America, the world’s premier economic, political, and military superpower. Upon mentioning the US, I think that the most people would give it a great deal of reverence. The towering skyscrapers and an economy that is even higher, everything there appears to be perfect, and the living conditions there are what many developing and undeveloped countries dream of.
I remember that in the past I heard this story, a Chinese study-abroad student went to America to study, midway he got a part time job, and the money he earned from washing dishes and wiping tables would allow him to return to China and become a little rich man. One can imagine just how prosperous and superior America’s economy is. Before our eyes, everything we see is America’s glorious and magnificent side, but apparently we never hear about America’s impoverished and suffering side. The feeling is that living in America means living in utopia.
But, everything is not as it appears so perfect and flawless. America is also not perfect in every way. It is an economically strong country, but in terms of wealth, it also cannot provide equal conditions for everyone, and also has many people living impoverished and backwards lives. No matter how strong and powerful the United States is or how prosperous, we cannot ignore these facts and truths hidden behind the prosperity.
In America, I don’t know what the percentage of poverty is, the purpose of writing this article today is also not to expose America’s scandal, the main thing is I want to let everyone know that poverty is not something only developing and undeveloped countries have. Even economically powerful countries like America also have impoverished and backwards people living there. There are impoverished people in every country, and poverty is a problem that every country faces. In America, poverty also continuously troubles and affects America’s economy.
The following pictures come from a website for Spanish-Americans, completely revealing a superpower’s unknown side. Actually, America is equally inhabited by a group of destitute people needing everyone’s protection and attention.
The younger child in the picture died not long after because of malnutrition, while the slightly older child in the picture was strangled to death by Helen's husband. Her other daughter is currently in jail. Since then, Helen has been dedicated to her religion.
A dispirited Philadephia woman.
A starving child looking for food.
A child opens a refrigerator, hoping to find food.
Living in a house full of rotten stench.
She is the most lonely, those living around her--the people living at the front of the road leading out of the dense forests of Alabama have completely forgotten her, living by herself in this broken-down building.
An emotionless woman living in North Carolina.
Suffering children living in Georgia.
Living in a rotten, dirty, messy building.
Comments from Sina:
Relates a real America.
^_^ Every place has poor people.
There’s nowhere without poor people…
How old are these pictures?
Have you been to Americas backcountry? It just resembles China’s impoverished areas…
They are all black people.
After looking at these my heart is very uncomfortable, so sad/pitiful.
Black people, still living at the lowest level of society!
No way.
So pitiful.
Before I saw this I thought America was so good.
Those people are truly tragic.
God,
so tragic.
Some of these pictures don’t exactly fit with the concept of America…does Africa also have a place called America…
When can humanity break free from this kind of situation?
Comments from NetEase:
Really funny, come check out Guangzhou, there are even more.
1960s photos.
When these pictures were taken, lou zhu’s kid had not yet been born, now who knows where he found these to trick people!
Have you seen that broadcast ten years ago of the Beijing people in New York?
Do you still remember that bit of dialogue?
If you love her, take her to New York, because there it is heaven. If you hate her, take her to New York, because there it is hell!
You should say what is the percentage of poor people in America, and what is the percentage of poor people in China.
Then take pictures of poor people in America and pictures of poor people in China and compare them.
Then do a comparison of the living conditions of the common citizen that make up 60% of the population. This way it would actually be more objective!
I bet these were taken in Africa. America’s black people, no matter how poor, still could not be like this. As long as they have official American citizenship, each month they can get one about 7000RMB in US money, which is completely enough for daily expenses, and what more it is calculated per head. ~This I bet can fool the Chinese people who have never been to America. Chinese people are often fooled, tricked, and do not have much discernment ability.
I think that America and China are basically the same, only the geographical environment and cultural accomplishments are different, everyone wants to be big and strong, but unexpectedly everyone has something in common, which is that poor people exist, and what more, this is a key element that pulls down economic development. But, it cannot be helped. Who wants to be a poor person? It is a result forced out by the country. Now that China has become big and strong, America will also envy/be worried a little, but it cannot be denied that America is still a superpower, despite experiencing many unforeseen events. However, China is not weak either, what with an economic disaster, stock market disaster, natural disaster, man-made disaster, an earthquake, the 2008 Olympics, have you seen how much money China has spent?? Banks tightening money, the stock market falling and falling, business is difficult, a lot of job competition, and what more, increasing prices, low wage levels, tell me: who does not want to be a rich person? Being able to endure it all is pretty good already.
Hahah, ~~I see that America’s problem is very grave, not only is there a gap between rich and poor, there is also severe racial discrimination!!!
Lou zhu, are you mentally handicapped, using this kind of fake news to fool everyone? One look and you know it is not real! And you though you were wise. Such trash…
There are poor people everywhere! It is unavoidable and unquestionable! In terms of proportions, America should be considered to not have a lot [of poverty], it is no big deal! Also, it does not prove there is a problem! If there were also “city management” attacking poor people~~, then there would really be no way out~~ lamentable~
THIS IS NOT AMERICA.
Long-suffering black people. Everywhere they are the most miserable ethnic group. I wish them safety and peace!
If you don’t understand, don’t make irresponsible remarks! A bunch of trashy people! Running to America or some Europe country to be gluttonous and lazy! Not engaging in honest work, not willing to do anything! You all have no clue how high America and Europe’s labour expenditures are! I operate a restaurant in Europe! For one dishwasher, I have to pay more than 1000 Euros a month! And what more, this is the price even after evading and cheating on taxes! Blacks, Arabs, heh, they chose this! Especially Arabs, brothers, it is not that I am racist, go out and get some experience. do not know why America wants to extinguish this kind of trash race [this sentence is unclear]! This shouldn’t be called “Prosperous and Powerful America’s Impoverished Other Side!”
Haha, with regards to the lou zhu, I am speechless. America’s welfare and charity system are “as numerous as the hairs on an ox” [Chinese idiom to mean, "a lot"], with community, church, national, fund, chamber of commerce, as well as individual donor associations for charity. These organizations are “as numerous as the hairs on an ox”, when you’re hungry go to a church or an organization, their doors are wide open. For food and every day life stuff, there is no problem. Except for this essay by the lou zhu and television dramas, have you seen any news about Americans starving to death?
I doubt the authenticity of this article. In Canada, every child 18-years-old and under can get 500 dollars a month from the government. In addition, every low-income family all has enough living subsidies. Also, generally speaking 300 dollars is enough for a family to not worry about food. With America so close to Canada, the government subsidy should be about the same. Unless they all entered the country illegally [illegal immigrants], or drug addicts.
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- Child Labor In Wuhan, Chinese Argue Good or Bad
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Every country has poverty and US is not the exception, but how can we know this pics are from U.S.?
I think poor people in the US in bad neighborhoods worry more about drugs, violence and lack of educational and economic opportunities than about starving to death. Different degree of being poor.
I have been in the US from China for 20 years. It is hard for me to believe these people are from the US. I work in a hospital. We have many poor people receive medical care for free. From major surgeries to a simple ER visit. All are given necessary care regardless financial situation. The treatment and care are the same whether you are homeless or city mayor. A philippino nurse once told me that her mother broken her hip while visiting in the US. After the surgery she told hospital that her mother had no insurance, our hospital did not charge her at all.
There are many assistance available there in the US. From free food asistance to several hundred dollars /month from the government. Even the woman’s shelter has clean room, shower and food for woman and her children all free of charge. I personally see it before.
Someone would try very very hard in order to find the people in these pictures. These are really misleading images to show people the dark side of America.
Are there ANY homeless shelters in China?
Doesn’t mean they don’t exist Nanjinger. And it would be irresponsible to dismiss it as impossible. The Class divide is much larger than most people think, and as hard as it is to believe, poverty IS prevalent in America. If you don’t want to think about it keep watching your TMZ and thinking that everyone lives like Branjelina. That being said, I wouldn’t doubt that drugs were involved because these look like extreme cases…
I find it interesting that this is made out to be some kind of scandal or secret shame of America. It is not the image you see on TV, but nobody is hiding poverty hits people hard, and often. It is just not very often highlighted.
Come to Glasgow, and I will show you as much poverty as you care for. Despite government assistance (which you have to be eligible for to start off with) does not help prevent neglect, ignorance, and drug use. You might think drug abuse is a separate problem, but in reality a family suffers when any assistance you get is injected into the bread-winner’s veins.
I just showed these pictures to my black co-worker and ask her what she thought about these pictures. She said to me that she never personally see any one in these kind of living condition and she said the pictures might be from other contries. (She is a African American woman in her 40’s working as a nurse assistance or CNA.)
I am not saying that these pictures/ conditions not exist. It would be very very hard to find the similar conditions which showing on these pictures!!Please ask yourself how many times you saw the living conditions like the ones showed on these pictures in America!
severely hurts the feeling of americans.
Chinese knows nothing about America if they don’t live there, all they know is what they hear on the news, so this article is a shocker to them. I used to work a short time with a “mission” which serves the poor and homeless of America, I don’t claim to know everything, but I’ve seen my share of the poor and homeless.
In my opinion, the poor in China is much poorer than the poor in America.
I agree.
I’m from America and there are definetly poor people there but it seems like the poor people in China (I’ve spent 3.5 years in China) do seem worse off.
every country has both prosperous and backward sides,it is a normal phenomenon.
I’m amused that so many people are incredulous that this exists in America. I don’t know for certain where or when these pictures were taken but I have absolutely no doubts whatsoever that such conditions do indeed exist in the United States. However, I imagine it is oddly flattering for Americans that so many Chinese doubt America has such cases of poverty or destitution.
I also agree that the abject poverty in the United States is still probably better than the abject poverty in less developed countries like China.
LoL, I like the one random Chinese rant against Arabs in Europe. Not that I agree with the random stereotyping but I find it amusing how he bitches about people not working honestly and then implies he’s bitter about how much he has to pay even after cheating on his taxes. What a riot.
There’s a lot of riots here….I heard there was one in 1989….wait, why are the police approaching me now?
Chinese knows nothing about America if they don’t live there, all they know is what they hear on the news, so this article is a shocker to them
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applies to everyone who never been to the place they talk about.
many people find these photos shocking because they think military might is proportional to wealth so america ought to be a poverty-free state.
america ranks only the 7th in term of GDP per capita and does worse in social justice and equality, besides those mideast countries where citizens exploit oil in their backyard, most of world’s richest and [b]happiest[/b] nations lie in north europe.
SOCIALIST DEMOCRACY FTW.
AGain…just showing black people…there are also whites and mexicans living like this as well…and NOT that many. I can throw a stone out my window in CHINA and hit migrants living in similar conditions.
These kind of pictures are often posted by KKK types who are seeking to turn Chinese who don’t even know any black people into ridiculously uninformed racists.
i don’t believe the pictures. i do think they were taken in africa.
My colleague took his fiance to the States and Canada to meet his folks before they were married. His fiance wanted to check out New York and Vancouver and see all the places she had seen on TV. Anyway, when they got back, he said that she didn’t want to ever go to Vancouver or NY again, because they were full of homeless and ‘uncouth’ people…not at all like she had seen on shows like Desperate Housewives.
Aiya, so many people here still believe all the shite they see on movies and TV about the rest of the world.
Btw, those pics don’t look like too modern though – maybe from the 1970s?
i think it was a cuban communist who commented that
“cubans starve to death from starvation, americans starve to death because they take so much heroin they forget to eat.”
Europeans, or dare i say it, the Soviet union, didnt have this severe poverty…….
anyhow thank god for reaganomics and thatcherism that is giving us all the great opportunity ( social mobility halved since they took power)
economic sucess ( uve read the papers right)
“to get rich is glorious”
China will mass-privitise the peoples assets under the direction of the “party of public assets” so we can rest assured greedy selfish scumbags will ensure this country suffers the same folly as the UK. hooray.
American capitalism depends on poverty, hence the violence and subversion of all trade unions and communists, illegal immigration …………..insecurity with all its catashtrophic associated evils are necessary for the good of the privileged few
A little propaganda goes a long way in China! I am a Chinese living in the US and I can assure you that you will not find fridges like the ones in the pictures anywhere because they were the product of the 60s or so. 笑人齿缺曰狗窦大开！
This was one of my favorite China Smack pieces; seeing those reactions was fascinating. I think many Chinese glorify the US too much and feel too insecure about their own country. Seeing another side of the US will help them realize that not everything is wonderful in the US (though hopefully they won’t start thinking that everything is terrible, either).
I can attest that some of these pics are real. Hmm, have you guys been to central Alabama? Someone I knew used to go down there to build houses from the poor peeps down in central Alabama and believe me it’s 3rd world down there.
Also, some of these pics are pics of crackhouses. Crackhouses can get destitute like that.
It’s just a face of America that one doesn’t see on t.v. often. A lot of places are not bad as the above pics; the pics above truly represent the worst, but they exist!
Hey, this reminds me of something I saw a few month earlier, downtown in a city in Western U.S.
I saw some Chinese homeless. It’s was two guys and a woman. How do I know they’re Chinese? Because they wear those damn suits that Chinese people (some. The ‘nongmins’ who travel abroad. Maybe they’re North Korean?) likes to wear. You know what I’m talking about.
Anyway, these dudes looked like they didn’t shower for a couple of month. I was parked in traffic, and I just stared them, and they stared at me. It was like whoa… that’s weird.
Then a few weeks later I think I saw one of the guys again, sleeping (or trying) under some lamp post.
“Anyway, these dudes looked like they didn’t shower for a couple of month”
Yeah, then they probably were Chinese but not necessarily homeless.
Mind you, I’m not saying Chinese people can’t become homeless, since I’ve seen Chinese homeless people in S.F china town.
No, this is different, because it seems like these three homeless are “tou du de” (illegals) and they somehow became homeless.
“I can attest that some of these pics are real. Hmm, have you guys been to central Alabama? Someone I knew used to go down there to build houses from the poor peeps down in central Alabama and believe me it’s 3rd world down there.”
I went down to help with Katrina relief last year and I saw many impoverished places in Alabama and there’s probably even more in Mississippi. There’s definitely people living like this here however the pictures look like those 60s or 70s photos from Harlem or the back country in the south when poverty flourished among AAs. It’s also interesting to note that impoverished Americans are usually more concerned about drugs and gangs than starving to death when compared to the poor in China. If any of you have been to the south side of Chicago (where Obama worked) you’d see an interesting social difference in poverty b/w the US and China.
I find it interesting that they don’t seem to realize that $300/month is NOT enough to live on in America, even if it would probably be plenty in China.
It’s also interesting to compare the reactions to the Obama story with the ideas of racial discrimination here.
And yeah, those are real enough, though you can live your whole life without ever seeing this just by staying away from poor areas. The pictures may be old, but the poverty is still around, especially in the Appalachian region, though every large city seems to have at least one ghetto area.
Yeah, what will $300 a month get you in America?
Cable TV? Gas money?
Like a lot of people here, I’m slightly amused by the commenters that refuse to believe that these pictures are from the US. I’m from West Virginia — which is AFAIK the poorest state in the US, and while I’ve never seen any conditions like these, I’ve known people whose lives weren’t so great as some of these netizens seem to think they’d be. The commenter that thinks the US has similar social policies to Canada is especially amusing.
And again, I do suspect that being poor in the US is not quite so bad as being poor in China — at least from my impressions. But still, people should realize that even the richest nations in the world still have poverty.
“A starving child looking for food”
He probably was in 1979, the “Dingle” milk company went bust and ceased trading in 1978, my parents ran a store that stocked it. Stuff used to give me the runs!
I can say for a fact that in WV there are people that poor, and many of them are white. I know people personally that literally don’t have a dime and live off the land refusing to accept government help.
For the record, I recall coming across one of these pictures (one of the fridge ones) about ten years ago when I was looking for stock images for an album cover. It is most definitely from AFRICA, not America.
The rest of them I have no idea.
u guys mean this was a hateful bitter and jealous post by a xenophobic chinese?
we all know china is great and america ( where evil, racist white men come from) is the devil
I’m white and I can kick your ass, haha.
OCUMON,
WHERE THE FUCK DO YOU GET THAT?
The point of the post is to show that poverty exists even in first world nations. Because it does! Are you trying to argue that poverty does not exist in the States? So you are admitting that poverty are caused by evil, racist white men? Okay.
You do realize most Chinese people think America IS FUCKING PAVED IN GOLD, right? They think America is paradise. LOL. How do you connect evil, racist white men with FUCKING roads paved in GOLD? Fucking paradise? Fuck, if evil, racist white men can create paradise I can’t imagine what good, non-racist white men can create… Hell? Good-non-racist-white-men creates HELL, extra, extra. Get real you fucking troll ass evil, racist, white dood.
Compared to yesteryears less and less Chinese people want to come to States, due to improved economic conditions. It’s just not that ‘trendy’ anymore.
Compared to many places in China, America is paradise.
Sad but true.
A quick googling lead me to this page:
http://www.american-pictures.com/gallery/index.html
Where at least some of the pictures are found. And apparently they are from the 70’s.
But from what I heard from friends that conditions today are not much improved. We’re talking about poor farmers in South.
You see the hypocritical apathetic attitudes of fuckers like ocumon.
THIS IS WHY I have to fucking defend China sometimes, from fucks like this. Who goes around with their fucking ignorance and cast their stupid stones.
Assholes.
So IGNORANT, man.
They think they know; they fail to see their OWN UGLY ass in the mirror, they own racist, apathetic projections on the world.
It’s egotistic superciliousness that drives me mad. Maybe if you weren’t such a ignorant imbecile I wouldn’t have to sit here to defend the WORLD from you fucks!!!
You can find more info on Mr.Jacob Holdt who took these pictures on Wikipedia. He is a interesting person.
As a sidenote, it’s also possible that these photos are somewhat misleading. For example, my family has an old toolshed with a shitty old fridge in it, you could take a picture of a young kid in front of that and it would look pretty similar to these photos, but in fact, our living conditions are very good.
Not that poverty like this doesn’t exist in the US, I’m just saying, photographic evidence alone is rarely evidence of anything…to easy to mislead (even if the photos aren’t doctored) by choosing how your frame your shot. And someone who took all these photos obvious had a goal in mind when they set out…
TahwYOJ
Easy there big fella. Settle down now. It’s honestly not even worth getting that angry about it. Some people just love saying obnoxious sh** on the internet especially to get a rise out of someone like you. If I had a 1RMB coin for every ignorant imbelicile asshole comment I’ve read on the net, I’d be dead.
Any country will have poor people. There will always be poor people by luck, by circumstance, by natural disasters, by wars, by whatever.
The question is “has the economic divide is increasing”. Most countries undergoing economic industrialisation will at some stage pull back economic reforms and try to bridge the have and have nots. This has to be a progressive tax system and whereby the burden falls on the rich and big business.
I once read somewhere from a major US newspaper online. In Los Angeles, you have Hollywood and the mega rich indulging in Cuban cigars, vintage wine, dinning in expensive restaurants and drivers waiting outside in European marques. They have never been to the other side of L.A. where the poor people live and trying to survive. This is like about 100 metres away. Just across the street, high crime, high drug abuse, family breakdown and just like a warzone.
Its like a Berlin Wall effect. Some people chose not to care, others don’t even realize in a city or a country, there could be start contrast in living standards or social-economic life to the very rich and well off to the poor and weak.
Dude, that’s soooo true of Hollywood!
I grew up in the LA area and spent a lot of weekends in Hollywood and would encounter incredibly wealthy people AND a lot of bums and crackheads.
ThawYoj!
dude my point is that this post like thousands of similar posts is intended to show america in a negative light. look at the comments by the chinese posters he got exactly what he wanted, all poor black people, america isnt rich, how racist poor, i was wrong to love america. I WILL NOT CONTINUE HUNTING FOR A WHITE AMERICAN BF.
that is the purpose of this post, along with thousands of others where a chinese guy pretends to be a girl raped and infected with aids by a foreigner . the chinese guy who saw a chinese beggar in london and she told him the story of how she thought uk was great but evil honkie dumped her and child and now shes homeless etc etc etc. there r millions of these posts out there.
You don’t deserve a white American bf….ending your “hunt” is a WISE decision.
If this site is to have any credibility it can’t publish such misleading articles. Not once was it mentioned what century these pictures were from, and they were discussed as if it was a reflection on present day America. Poverty is still widespread here from all the major cities to rural areas in every state, but if someone needs food all they have to do is ask and it’s a guarantee they’ll get it. If someone needs clothes, shelter, water, or any essential needs of life they’ll get it if they ask. The poverty divide here has more to do with some kids getting better schooling than others, health care, and everything else that comes with class division. I enjoy this site and love China, but deception is an ugly practice. Please be more responsible next time.
It matters little whether or not the photos were taken in America. It is a fact, however, that such conditions do exist and in far greater numbers than we would like to admit. One has only to be reminded of the Great American Ghettos; Detroit, New York, Chicago, Atlanta, Los Angeles; not to mention the Mississippi Delta where, perhaps, thousands live in such squalid conditions. This is the ugly side of America.
Plus, we are dealing with journalistic license, sensationalism meant to arouse fears and hatred that might well be better left alone.
Suffice it to say, yes, America, as well as every other nation on earth has its poor, and, the conditions are not better for one poor person than for the other. When I see the poor, whether they be American or Chinese, I feel pity.
I think that it is wrong to compare the poor of one country to the poor of another country. Simply – Help the Poor!
@ ocumen:
Uh, what? That’s some pretty selective reading you have there. Did you happen to miss all the comments by Chinese people who were utterly unsurprised that, yes, poverty also exists in America as it does elsewhere? Or how about the comments that further suggest that a more accurate and objective comparison would’ve been to compare the prevalence of poverty between the two countries? Wow, that’s some reverse-persecution complex you’ve got there. I’m more used to laughing at my fellow Chinese for always whining about “the West” always maligning them…
@ Johnny Yang:
Uh, what? Dude, you need to reacquaint yourself with what this website does: translate Chinese BBS forum posts and related comments into English so English-readers can get a glimpse into what Chinese people are talking about. chinaSMACK did not create this post, they just translated it, so you’re misdirecting your indignation.
Next, you too failed to read the translated Chinese comments. Had you done so, you probably would’ve realized that quite a few Chinese commenters who responded to the original Chinese post also criticized the original Chinese poster for what they presumed the poster was trying to do. What chinaSMACK aims to do is reveal that dynamic on the Chinese BBS forums, showing that there is a multitude and variety of opinion and beliefs, as well as the friction and confrontations that stem from it.
If you are to have any credibility as a person, you cannot skim over something, utterly fail to understand it, and then climb up on a soapbox of self-righteousness. Hold your horses and read for a moment to figure out just what exactly is happening before you get all offended.
Deception IS an ugly practice, but inexcusable idiocy is an ugly condition.
Yes, I also believe this is propaganda. The images are all very old and dated, however I am not saying there aren’t poor people in the USA. Just the pics are only showing the old/poor side of things.
Hmm… dudes. Have you guys visited the link I provided?
http://www.american-pictures.com/gallery/index.html
Are you saying it’s Chinese propaganda, as in the Chinese made it?
Are you guys on crack?
There are propagandas on both sides, lol.
Kai said it right, there seem to be lots of reverse-persecution complex going on here.
Funny as f*** if you ask me.
DUUUUUUUUDDDDDDDDDd
WTF???
Some of these pics dates to 1998.
BTW I’m not mad. You peeps take this too seriously. LOL FAGS.
Some of you cannot seem to handle the fact that America has really poverty stricken parts… Just like the pics above. Why? Does it jitters your world-view that much? Does the fact that with you residing in China, in a cruel twist of fate that all your pejoratives is being applied to the West. Of course, this is NOT TRUE, it’s merely your OWN delusions. Your own racist little projections. Your own little – reverse-persecution complexes – HAHA assholes.
isn’t the salvation army alway say something like 50,000 american family will go hungry tonight…please donate etc. I hope they are not lying and pocket the money themselves, cause I donated. I once worked in west oakland, it was bad…
They are all black people.
The pictures only show black people, but there are at least as many poor white people in the US.
You should say what is the percentage of poor people in America, and what is the percentage of poor people in China.
The 2004 Census Bureau’s figures for people living below the poverty line was 12.5 percent of the US population, or 35.9 million. The threshold for that year was $12,714/yr for a two-person household.
It’s much more difficult to measure poverty in China by the same sort of benchmarks. Farmers who subsist on less than $1 (US) a day are considered below the poverty line by the World Bank, but city dwellers obviously have different definitions.
I bet these were taken in Africa.
I can’t say for sure where these pictures where taken. It seems unlikely that they were taken in America, not because poverty doesn’t exist here but because most buildings in such a condition would be condemned.
But I do concede that poverty exists in America, and is rather endemic.
have you seen any news about Americans starving to death?
This is the difference between being poor in the Western nations versus being poor in the developing world. It is very rare for someone to starve to death, since they have access to soup kitchens, church pantries, and dozens of other programs to help with food, not least of which is public welfare.
Mostly when homeless people die here it is because of exposure to the elements, not starving. The life of the poor may not be comfortable, but they will probably survive.
Europeans, or dare i say it, the Soviet union, didnt have this severe poverty…….
As for the European Union, poverty is almost non-existent there, however that’s largely due to the socialist support network in place for those who need it. But if you look at all of Europe as a whole, 1 in 5 Europeans live below the poverty line.
But Eastern Europe? Surely you’re joking. The poverty line in the former Soviet Union is $2 a day, to reflect the increased cost of holding the elements at bay due to the extreme climate. As of 2003, 61 million people still fell below this threshold.
Remember bread lines?
There isn’t a nation or a region on the Earth that is free from poverty’s grasp.
American capitalism depends on poverty
American capitalism depends on cheap credit even more than cheap labor.
I’m from West Virginia — which is AFAIK the poorest state in the US
As of 2007, West Virginia is 49th with a median household income of $37,060. Mississippi is 50th with $36,338. Puerto Rico (technically a US protectorate rather than a state) is dead last with $17,741.
Jayman, did you goto the links I posted? These are taken in America although in the 70’s. With a few pictures that was taken in 1998.
I agree that there are white people in very destitute conditions. I’m not trying to make this a black-white thing. I used to know this dood (a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away), that I hang out with sometimes that lived in a house that was in such a poor condition. The whole house reeked and looked like it was about to fall down. And this guy lived in this crammed ‘basement’ room with walls that was adorned with a rebel and a swastika flag (okay, this guy was full of contradictions). Hey, I had some great time there, some chick showed me her nipple ringS which was the shit to me back then. The main point was this guy had pounds of weed, although they were schwag but he had pounds of it… LOL..
The sad thing is you don’t have to go to rural Alabama, Mississippi or the like to find the poor and the destitute they are all over United States of America. To make comparisons about who is the poorest among the poor makes little sense. Where ever you live in this universe you should want justice and peace. A universe where no person is mistreated and a universe where those people that neeed the most help recieve it. Without justice nothing has value.
Of course there are places like this in the US – go watch Bumfights videos, Bum Hunter FTW. Criiiikey, it’s a big one ova tha’ya! These photos do look a little old and hobo-ish, though.
That being said, there’s much more poverty in the US than say, average northern european countries or Canada. :)
@ Joywhat:
Relax, ignore those people. The only people you really need to yell at are those who actually try to argue back with you.
@Jayman
RE: “Mostly when homeless people die here it is because of exposure to the elements, not starving. ”
Actually, I would guess that most homeless people die from ODing. I’m going to research that and get back to you!
Yeah, I bet drugs cause more deaths in America than lack of food.
@Jayman
“Overdoses, disease cause of half the deaths of B.C. homeless people
18 Apr 2008 … Other causes of death included being hit by blunt objects (which includes … like many studies done of homeless deaths in North America and …”
Some reports about US homeless seem to indicate most cities homeless are dying mostly because of murder, but it seems the top 3 consistently are: Disease, Murder, and ODing.
Of course there is poverty in every country, but the significance is in the difference between China countryside, Nairobi slums (I’ve been, and quite frankly, it’s like an urbanized version of the Chinese countryside in terms of being similar in poverty level but highly condensed and not as much farming going on), and European/US/Canada/Australia homeless with foodstamps and public services. It’s all sad.
Reverse persecution complex??? more like reverse evolution with some of you.
Do u agree with the OP that poor people are starving to death in america? Can u not see that it is purely propaganda as pointed out by the ABC guy? Can u accept the reasons i put forward for this and its prevalence on chinese websites?
Ur flaming me for telling the truth and not being dumb.
I havent once said theres no poverty in USA, thats a moronic attempt to make an argument where u have totally failed.
I should point out im also blah/ pass/ ocumon etc. Stopped using my real name as someone else started using it immediately, so not much point.
The US has many problems, is far from perfect, and as whole needs to do better to keep people out of poverty. That said, the US takes care of its poor far better than China. The US is far more socialist than China. It has free education from Pre-K to year 12 and if you are poor you can get free food and free college education. If you are poor you don’t pay taxes, or pay less. If you are poor you can get free or inexpensive health care. If you are poor you can get inexpensive housing, food stamps, other stuff from numerous charities. It might be difficult, but any person, even the poorest in America, can work hard and be a success.
Ironic how the US is more socialist than China!
Also, ironic how China is supposedly communist and yet the small elite rule the large working class….do these people actually read Marx and understand his theories???
@ blah:
Reverse persecution complex because you’re getting incredibly butt-hurt over a BBS forum post where an ample amount of Chinese people either doubt it is American or are outright criticizing the OP.
Reverse persecution complex because there’s not really anything false about the pictures posted or what the OP wrote. Do you just dislike it because it is a Chinese person writing about a negative side of China? Shit, I can’t imagine how incredibly furious a Chinese person must feel when an American person posts anything about China’s various hum@n rights abuses.
The vein in their collective foreheads must explode.
As I said before, you clearly have selective reading. What do you think about all the other comments by Chinese posters implicitly and explicitly criticizing the OP, pointing out that China’s poverty is worse and on a larger scale? What do you think about the Chinese posters who refuse to believe that poverty exists in the States and these pictures must be of Africa?
Geez man, you don’t give the Chinese enough credit. Your alarmist response makes it sound like suddenly America’s image will be irreversibly damaged. Suddenly all these Chinese people are going to think America is some dystopian wasteland. Gasp, the horror.
selective reading? me? how about a total lack of reading skills.
My comments are about the OP, yes im glad some chinese r smart and cynical enough to see through this xenophobic hateful, bitter post; full of lies. shame u r not.
So i take it u agree with the OP that poor people r starving to death in America. just say yes as uve implied above and its pretty obvious who the moron is.
and i quote
“Reverse persecution complex because there’s not really anything false about the pictures posted or what the OP wrote”
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“What do you think about the Chinese posters who refuse to believe that poverty exists in the States and these pictures must be of Africa?”
I think they will follow their insular, nationalistic and naive views and think america is terrible, racist and full of poor , STARVING people. Which is EXACTLY what the OP intended,
hopefully he saved some chinese maiden from the evil clutches of a honkie (as that was almost definately his chief MO, just like the countlesss thousands of other similar lies and propaganda posts)
ur not too bright r u?
please god dont tell me u think im a american………
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So i take it u agree with the OP that poor people r starving to death in America. just say yes as uve implied above and its pretty obvious who the moron is.
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Sure, troll. Keep on having your delusions. Cos who am I to stop ya? Go ahead and waste you day on getting your Masters in trolling, cos you sure the hell passed General Retardation Examination with a perfect score. Faggot.
[quote="OP"]
America, the world’s premier economic, political, and military superpower. Upon mentioning the US, I think that the most people would give it a great deal of reverence. The towering skyscrapers and an economy that is even higher, everything there appears to be perfect, and the living conditions there are what many developing and undeveloped countries dream of.
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The above he states a supposed common misconception among Chinese people that America is paved with gold, that America is a perfect paradise of place.
[quote="OP"]
But, everything is not as it appears so perfect and flawless. America is also not perfect in every way. It is an economically strong country, but in terms of wealth, it also cannot provide equal conditions for everyone, and also has many people living impoverished and backwards lives. No matter how strong and powerful the United States is or how prosperous, we cannot ignore these facts and truths hidden behind the prosperity.
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So here, he is making his claim, that America has a poverty stricken side. I.e. he is going to try to resolve this common misconception by presenting some ‘evidence’ of America poverty. NO WHERE DOES HE MAKES THE CLAIM THAT PEOPLE ARE STARVING TO DEATH.
[quote="OP"]
In America, I don’t know what the percentage of poverty is, the purpose of writing this article today is also not to expose America’s scandal, the main thing is I want to let everyone know that poverty is not something only developing and undeveloped countries have. Even economically powerful countries like America also have impoverished and backwards people living there. There are impoverished people in every country, and poverty is a problem that every country faces. In America, poverty also continuously troubles and affects America’s economy.
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Here he CLEARY SAYS that the point is NOT TO EXPOSE “AMERICA’s SCANDLE.”
Arghh, fack this, I’m tired of this. Figure it out yourself, asshole.
Hey fag, I know your problem man. YOu got PWNED BY SNIPERWZ the other day so now you’re out trolling. But you FAIL MAN. YOu are too stupid to troll properly, faggot.
I never agreed with SniperWZ’s personal attacks against you, but now I totally am with that guy. You are a facking retard.
Dude, just insulting someone multiple times doesn’t mean they “fail”…it means you don’t really have anything to say.
@ blah:
Okay, you’re not an American. It doesn’t matter. You’re still butt-hurt. You’ve built an entire conspiracy theory around the OPs words that is based upon your assumptions than actual fact. The truth is that you have absolutely NO way of knowing what the OP’s intentions are. You’ve merely interpreted based upon some trauma you experienced from some other posts you felt painted America as a nation full of poor starving people. In contrast, the OP actually wrote:
You have selective reading because you ignored just about everything the OP acknowledged about America, and out of some deep-seated insecurity, you decided all of it was a cover for his TRUE ANTI-AMERICAN PROPAGANDA OF DOOM.
It is therefore your job to EXPOSE THOSE VILE CHINESE BASTARDS!
Dude, the Chinese propagandists have far better pieces for you to overanalyze and tear apart. This isn’t one of them. Instead of showing the Chinese how insecure you are, why not reaffirm their good sense that people know America is not perfect, has poverty, and explain the nature of that poverty maybe by prompting them to consider how it is different from poverty in, say, China?
Or you can do us a favor and go post on the actual Chinese forums so you can wage your one-man war against the THOSE EVIL CHINESE BASTARDS!
@ Joywhat:
Dude, try to avoid sinking to blah’s level and resorting to calling names.
LOL. I never said I was on any “level.” I say what the hell I want to say. Name calling? So what.
I agree with Kai dude, quit acting like a f*cking prick :)
The photos are by a Danish photographer called Jacob Holdt. He took them between 1970 and 1975:
http://photo.box.sk/news.php3?id=10499
More of his photos here:
http://www.american-pictures.com/gallery/index.html
Only 30 or so years out of date.
OK, looking a bit further into the guy’s site, it seems some of the photos were taken as late as the 1990s. Score one for the OP…
“A starving child looking for food”
True or not?
U guys are obviously more interested in flaming and ignoring the point so I’ll leave it.
But please explain why is it “REVERSE discrimination”? i dont get that
@joywhat
You’ve defeated yourself by repeating the word “fag” in almost every post, multiple times, in multiple forms..you, sir, are clearly the gaf.
@ blah:
1. Have you never said “I’m starving” to mean “I’m really hungry?”
2. Does “A starving child looking for food” = “poor people r starving to death in America”?
3. Do you really think people don’t starve in America? People may survive, but it doesn’t mean they don’t suffer or go without at times.
4. No one said “reverse discrimination.”
5. You read the OPs post and started frothing about thousands of Chinese posts like this meant to scare Chinese girls from getting white boyfriends, amongst other distant extrapolations. Doode, how completely off your rocker are you? Did you go through some seriously odd but apparently traumatic experience where a Chinese girl dumped you because she saw a post about poor people in America?
reading skills and logic r hardly ur forte r they?
“2. Does “A starving child looking for food” = “poor people r starving to death in America”?”
yes if its (supposedly) a child in America it means exactly like that.
“4. No one said “reverse discrimination.””
you said, and i quote-
“Kai
Tuesday, November 18, 2008 at 9:18 pm
@ blah:
Reverse persecution complex because you’re getting incredibly butt-hurt over a BBS forum post where an ample amount of Chinese people either doubt it is American or are outright criticizing the OP. ”
so please explain what u mean by “REVERSE persecution”????????
@ Kai
It may just be translated, but it’s not like any random post is plucked out and translated. Time is taken to pick out what to translate, so time should be taken on to put the op into context at the head article. I read the comments, but know that in reality most people just read headlines, see the pictures, take it as fact, and move on. Things like this lead to ignorant thinking/actions like Florida’s Amendment No. 1 getting the no votes, people believing Barack Obama is a muslim bent on destroying America, and that China is trying to take over the world.
I’m not offended at all. I would just prefer that America be attacked for its foreign policy and total lack of regard for innocent lives. The way I see this article is like how I saw Americans bringing up Tiananmen Square as an argument against China getting the Olympics when all those protests were going on beforehand. Ignorant and irrelevant to China’s current state.
If chinasmack is only supposed to be a window into the Chinese BBS forums then it’s my bad. I just believe that extra steps should be taken to inform the people just skimming for juicy dirt about how things really are. That’s not CS’s responsibility though, and there are much more important things to address out there. I’ll concede that I got ahead of myself and take the site for what it is.
America has many more poor White people than Brown or Black people. Why were there no pictures of poor mountain or rural folks? Poverty in America is growing very fast in the new recession. There is little for a safety net.
@Kat
I believe that the majority of poor white people are, as you mention, rural and live outside of high density communities – trailer parks in small towns etc. Whereas the majority of people of colour living in poverty live in urban areas; ghettos make better imagery than trailer parks, and can sometimes show a much different contrast between poverty ‘in the city’….like driving along Slauson Blvd in LA, tents set up roadside next to and in-between trucking stations full of all sorts of products (subtle contrast of have-nothing vs. industry supply next door, but inaccessible).
@Johnny Yang
You phrase “America” and “Americans” – do you see these as the same, or different?
Saying “Americans” have a total disregard for human life is ludicrous. Your statements are so strong yet, with a seemingly insistent belief that your opinion is both objective and morally right – I’d beg to differ.
does kai want to explain wot REVERSE persecution means? perhaps his trolling pal JOKEtaht wud like to explain?
in my
“racist, egotistic supercillious/ fucking troll ass evil, racist, white dood./” mind, it sounds alot like ur a racist twat that presumes persecution is originating from and originally from the white man. thus any perceived persecution from non-whites is “REVERSE”
does that make it ok to u, needle dick?
is it possible for non-whites to persecute whites without being “REVERSE”? r u just discriminating against white people? r u both a hypocrite and an idiot?
flame away, im inherently evil and i dont get butt-hurt
LoL, I love how blah has gone from being butt hurt about the OP’s post to being butt-hurt about others calling him butt-hurt and suffering from a reverse persecution complex. It is even more amusing that he spends all his time trying to put down others reading comprehension skills and logic yet persistently begs for an explanation of “reverse persecution complex” despite it having been provided already. LoL. Maybe he’ll blow a fuse and go ape-shit on us now. Ohhh, scary.
@ Johnny Yang:
1. “Chinese Discuss Pictures of American Poverty” is a pretty neutral descriptive title, don’t you think? What would your suggestion be? Titles can only be so long and sometimes, they are written to attract attention. Sucks, but what’re you going to do about it? Lord of the Flies wasn’t really about the lord of any flies. Are you going to threaten William Golding’s credibility?
2. Now, I understand your gripes with potentially misleading titles, but your initial comment was a bit silly, and this is coming from me, someone who arguably takes himself way too seriously. If you’re going to nitpick about words, you can start with not exaggerating with which “century” these pictures came from. As others have pointed out, America was an economic superpower and “prosperous” country whether today or back in the 90s or 70s (from which these pictures were taken). Poverty existed then as it exists now, and in the context of what the OP wrote, hey, yes, America has poverty and it isn’t perfect. What is your argument against that or would it have been sufficient to be a big man and say “yes, that’s true and unfortunate and we need to do what we can to alleviate such social phenomenon however we can?”
3. Don’t you think it is a bit silly for you to come out and dictate what OTHER people should attack America for (by extension deciding what they should care about at any particular moment)? You mentioned people using Tiananmen as an argument against China getting the Olympics and how it is irrelevant to China today. I think that’s debatable and frankly, it depends on how they’re invoking Tiananmen in their argument. Without you providing their argument, how can we rule out their relevance? THAT SAID, what argument against America do you think this OP is invoking these images of poverty for?
4. I read it as him using these pictures to show that while America is undeniably a strong and prosperous country, there are still poor people. To me, that is a factual statement. I don’t even need these pictures to prove it to me. Are you seriously getting hung up on when these pictures were taken? I mean, maybe if these pictures were indeed taken hundreds of years ago, I might say, yeah, they could find better pictures, but come on, these pictures are taken from an economic America that is still largely similar to what it is today. Do you think you might be being a bit too nitpicky? Is this really worth so vehemently rejecting and condemning? Or would it have been remarkably mature and honest to just say “yep, this unfortunately does still happen in America.”
5. Yes, threatening this website’s credibility was silly and its nice that you’re acknowledging it. Really, not that it should matter but have you taken a look at Ian’s profile in the About page? He’s a white guy from America! Somewhere along the line, Ian thought this was an interesting topic or maybe the comments were interesting to translate. In doing so, he’s shed yet a bit more light on what some Chinese netizens think about this particular issue. Why step out and lambast him? And for what? Images of poverty that are still largely seen in present-moment America? For a misleading title? For a misleading narrative (which is not necessarily misleading, but only that YOU feel so subjectively and blah feels so in context of what he perceives to be some China-wide propaganda conspiracy to smear the USA)?
6. If you read the About page or just looked around, this website is about translating interesting things off the Chinese language internet. If the original was misleading or it HAPPENS to make SOME people FEEL it is misleading, then it ought to be translated that way. But you’ve missed the entire point of why chinaSMACK also translates netizen reactions and comments. Those are meant to show you more sides of the story, maybe, dare I say it, give you hope that whatever you perceive as misinformation is not bought wholesale by the public. There are better battles to fight, this isn’t one of them.
@ Rick in China:
I agree, that was another good example of Johnny Yang being loose with his words yet arguing so strongly against just that.
@ blah:
LoL, your last comment was just so amusing in how incredibly lost you are I had to include an extra reference to you directly. Cheers, mate. Best of luck.
@blah,
I was using your words in order to show your stupidity: Your suppositions about the OP’s attitude of blaming “the evil white dood,” and that of the third-worlders’ supposed machinations for getting the good ol’ white men (it’s a 21st century version of the white men’s burden). I’m sorry if you can’t understand sarcasm. Plus, I have to apologize for my lack of prudence to the needs of your fragile ego. Interacting with a Faulknerian idiot man-child is a skill that I sorely lacks. I need improvements in this area, forgive me.
But I’m sure you make 3 million RMBs per year and also can crush me with your civility. Therefore, I don’t think you really need any ego massages from me.
And with that, I bid you good bye. For I have no time to spend to idyllically chit chat with the likes of you. Good bye, Faulknerian idiot man-child; I wish you best of luck on your Quixotic journey to wash away the ignorance of the yellow men.
so no1 cares to address my points? hardly surprising
all these big-word, “intellectual” name-dropping goes above my head obviously.
i guess it was sarcasm, like me saying “ur a complete f-ing twat, a hypocrite, liar and pretentious twat whose as thick as pig-shit, a racist scumbag who deserves more crap than armitage shanks ” really means ” U lose, so bad, u cannot follow a coherent argument, uve made a fool of yourself”
ok i will still try to explain
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“@blah,
I was using your words in order to show your stupidity: Your suppositions about the OP’s attitude of blaming “the evil white dood,” ”
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ur so retarded u dont even recognise ur OWN quote? that is what YOU said, not the OP.
please explain why it is REVERSE discrimination?
thank god im not an american , i’d probably starve to death b4 i get an answer from these prix.
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“It is even more amusing that he spends all his time trying to put down others reading comprehension skills and logic yet persistently begs for an explanation of “reverse persecution complex” despite it having been provided already.”
has it?
i have to say u r the worst net trolls ive ever encountered.
@ blahhaha:
Your silly rantings fueled by what appears to be your deep-seated reverse persecution complex (persecution, not discrimination, for the third fucking time, you idiot) ! = “points.”
When you have a logical and supported point, people will care to respond to them. Since you do not, you’re only getting what you deserve: Contempt and dismissal.
If you and JoyWhat want to continue hurling insults at each other instead of actually trying to engage in a well-reasoned discussion/debate, go for it. As far as I’m concerned, I’ve told you what you need to hear. That said, I’m outta here. Cheerio, buddy.
i suppose u didnt notice the fact i put REVERSE in capital letters?
again u fail to respond to any points.
do ppl starve to death in the USA?
dude, im not gonna b polite just coz we’re friends (if ur who i think u r?). my points r entirely logical and unanswered
Firstly, i am correct about the OPs motive operandi. Poor people in America do not starve because they r poor. It is a lie predicated upon the OPs agenda.
secondly i am correct in that u and thatJOY have made fools of yourself by referring to a white guy whose perceived persecution is , and i quote again for posterities sake
“REVERSE persecution”
u r wrong on both matters, u know it. i know it, every reader knows it.
Please explain why it is “REVERSE persecution”?
looking 4ward 2 ur reply. i will answer shortly, im busy posting pics of poor starving discriminated chinese minorities (including massive exaggerations and outright lies) on an english website (im a concerned world citizen, that feels for humanity)
, yet i hope to get back to you shortly.
*sigh*
Why do I have to spell it out for you?
First of all, I apologize for my earlier comments. You HAVE A RIGHT to your own opinions. Which you have to admit, since your claims about the motives of the OP is an opinion. For example, your claim that “Poor people in America do not starve because they r poor” is perfectly fine. But when you tie it to “OPs agenda” this becomes an opinion. I believe readers can see the pictures for themselves can draw their own conclusions. Here is what you said: (Unless you are NOT OCUMON)
”
u guys mean this was a hateful bitter and jealous post by a xenophobic chinese?
we all know china is great and america ( where evil, racist white men come from) is the devil
”
Now, go back and read my posts again and everything will become crystal clear.
REVERSE persecution:
You imagine that you are being persecuted by the third-worlders. Now does that have to automatically imply that YOU ARE persecuting the third-worlders. No. It simply means that you feel that you are being persecuted in reverse, in the sense of directional reverse of persecution, historically speaking.
e.g:
“we all know china is great and america ( where evil, racist white men come from) is the devil” and
dude my point is that this post like thousands of similar posts is intended to show america in a negative light. look at the comments by the chinese posters he got exactly what he wanted, all poor black people, america isnt rich, how racist poor, i was wrong to love america. I WILL NOT CONTINUE HUNTING FOR A WHITE AMERICAN BF. [LOL LOL LOL]
that is the purpose of this post, along with thousands of others where a chinese guy pretends to be a girl raped and infected with aids by a foreigner . the chinese guy who saw a chinese beggar in london and she told him the story of how she thought uk was great but evil honkie dumped her and child and now shes homeless etc etc etc. there r millions of these posts out there.
…
If that’s not major reverse persecution complex I don’t know what it is.
HAHA.
Which one is it man? Don’t you get a bunch of Chinese girls jumping on your dick the min. you land in Shanghai?
Now, with all that b.s. I just wrote. I know I myself have some sort of persecution complex. And guess what, I’m man enough to admit. I admit I have problems. I KNOW I have problems.
You konw what, I’m ROFLMAO. All the evidences you have is a single caption. While I have heaps upon heaps of your insane ramblings (see, I simply presents them and let the readers decide. However, I doubt anyone is reading. Those reading are crazy and in the same league as us, our brigade of buffoons.)
I’m sorry, I got go. Thanks for this heavy dosage of lulz. Now I can go about my day feeling good. Thanks.
The truth is, in real-life we can probably be buddies Blah. We both have this persecution complex. I’ve known many dudes just like you… Can we all just get along?
yeh, im human but im also right
ur basically admitting that. the op lied and was blatently placing propaganda. my opinion of his reasons is right , i believe
U state that u said “REVERSE persecution” because of “historical reasons”.
so u r basically admitting u r judging me based on my skin colour. u r entirely racist arent u?
i am judged by what some white men did a long time ago? (im an irish catholic, about half of our population ceased to exist under colonialism, but im (god forbid) white)).
I myself am far from perfect, but i see no reason why if i perceive persecution, it is automatically presumed that i am the orginator of nasty racist hate. That was the OP.
i will try not to be nasty, but i think we r somehow getting somewhere with this now.
Will u apologise or will u and kai continue to state that persecution of the white men is inherently REVERSE (same like i am “evil”, i guess) ?
i believe theres a saying in english or at least irish “to be a white man”. to do the right thing, to accept when ur wrong, to be a man, to rise above the masses and take it on the chin.
could u also be that “evil” white man?
Im glad u also enjoy this discussion
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“182″
“do u have any problem killing women n children?”
“no, u just dont lead them so much”
i wud also like to point out, yet again, im not american, my income is not 3 million RMB, its zero, and im mesmerized by the same thought patterns from OBCs as their mainland ancestors.
i commend myself on not having sunk to ur level too much. i shud have just posted a picture of my dick and photoshopped it, lol
and yeah chinese shicks were all over me like flies on >>>> when i landed in shanghai, but i dont live there nor do i ever hope to go back.
fleash search me, god knows chinese chicks do, lol
LoL, the extent of your idiocy is just beyond all belief.
China and Chinese people, particularly the fenqing have been roundly characterized as having a persecution-complex (amongst other things), meaning that they often behave in a way to suggest that they think the rest of the world (and particularly “the West”) is out to bad-mouth China and the Chinese.
I (not JoyWhat) said you have a reverse persecution complex because you behave in a way that suggests that you think the Chinese are out to bad-mouth (in this case) the United States and Americans or the rest of the world.
That you misinterpreted that despite repeated explanations suggests you have a single-track mind, have poor reading comprehension, or are simply ignorant to the point where you cannot “follow the conversation.” I suspect it is all three, and more. You are human, yes, but you’re not right. More importantly, this single post is insufficient and inconclusive evidence for the OP engaging in a propaganda war against Americans.
What would be sufficient and conclusive evidence to paint the OP as a bad guy with an ulterior motive? Well, you at least need more supporting evidence that suggests a concerted and consistent effort to use images of poverty as propaganda to argue that this post was a…
Moreover, you then need to present evidence that the OP believes or was trying to argue that…
You have not done that. You have made assumptions about the OP’s motive based upon your own prejudices and, as I said, “reverse persecution-complex.” You have not shown anyone that the OP makes concerted and consistent efforts to misrepresent the United States. All you have is taken a single post and extrapolated it into a representation of a larger “problem” you perceive and are upset about. You’re blaming the OP for something beyond him, and maybe even entirely unrelated to him, and the only reason is because you ASSUME there to be a link. Assumptions like that are not “logical” no matter how may times you call your whining “logic.”
Occam’s Razor would determine it is more likely that you have a “reverse persecution-complex” than the OP being “bitter, jealous, xenophobic,” or believes that “America is the devil” and “where evil, racist white men come from.” Why? Just compare what the OP wrote and what you wrote. If you need to, this is a good time to look up the definition of Occam’s Razor before you start screaming: “HUH HUH HUH?!? OCCAMS DISCRIMINATION?!?? WHAT?!? ROAR!!!”
Reverse persecution-complex has nothing to do with race. It is a mental state (or disorder). You fit the MO. It must be embarrassing for you to have posted so may times, raving like a lunatic, not once bothering to actually look up its definition. By the way, a freebie: MO = modus operandi. It’s Latin, you might want to look that up too, unless you’ve seen enough crime drama’s to understand it in context.
Once again, your bitching has not proven anything remotely close to the OP being what you accused him of: bitter, jealous, xenophobic, etc. You have failed and what you have provided does NOT show you are right. It only shows that I was right: your behavior resembles a person burdened by a reverse persecution-complex…
…and you’re an idiot.
This would be a good time to either:
1) Avoid further embarrassment by walking away in shame,
2) Try to whip out your furious little pecker and try to assert dominance with it, or…
3) Be a big man and own up to your mistakes.
I’ve put my bet on #2, but here’s your chance to prove me wrong by picking #1 or #3.
In my country, people live in desolate conditions not because they cannot get help from institutions, but because they choose to do so. May it be out of pride or they have some personal issues. That is an important distinction.
Im sorry for any disgrace i have brought on ‘AMERICANS”
agaan , im not american but i am white if thats what u mean……..how about u?
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Moreover, you then need to present evidence that the OP believes or was trying to argue that…’
HOW ABOUT THE WELL-FED CHILD IN THE PICTURE WHO CLEARLY WAS NOT STARVING?
and i quote
“More importantly, this single post is insufficient and inconclusive evidence for the OP engaging in a propaganda war against Americans.”
big words. . so i presume that me calling u a “slant eyed cocksucker. some gook joke of a man” would also be “inconclusive”?
‘That you misinterpreted that despite repeated explanations suggests you have a single-track mind, have poor reading comprehension, or are simply ignorant to the point where you cannot “follow the conversation.”’
ur racist pal “TahwYOJ” explained quite clearly why it is , and i quote “REVERSE” persecution
the white man is the source of racism, hes the originator.
beacause i called a very obviouisly slanted post against americans crap, u perceieve that its , and i quote “REVERSE PERSECCUTION”
U have never had the balls to explain why it is “REVERSE” persecution. ????????//
“Reverse persecution-complex has nothing to do with race. It is a mental state (or disorder). You fit the MO. It must be embarrassing for you to have posted so may times, raving like a lunatic, not once bothering to actually look up its definition. By the way, a freebie: MO = modus operandi. It’s Latin, you might want to look that up too, unless you’ve seen enough crime drama’s to understand it in context.”
o really? i never learnt latin at my very expensive school. thanks for the lesson but i think i intended that mistake.
btw u shud say “many” not “may” in english……..
4) which i choose
anyhow, i believe ur a hypocrie and a cretin on so many levels. im not a racist. my e-mnail; is
tommmckay1478@gmail.com . i look 4ward to other ppl using both my name and e-mail, lol
its strangely representative of my real name
@ all iterations of tommmckay1478@gmail.com:
When did I say you were a racist? I said you suffer from a reverse persecution-complex as evidenced by your comments here. It seems you have not yet understood what that means nor have you bothered to look it up. Well, I tried. Sometimes the veil of ignorance is just that thick.
By the way, if you have such a big problem with the OP having captioned one picture with “A starving child looking for food,” then you should probably take your grievance up with his source: http://www.american-pictures.com/gallery/usa/index_apathy_1.htm
…which captions the picture: “Hunger, 1975.” You clearly insist that girl is a “well-fed child” and feel the semantics of the matter are significant enough for your to pop a vein in your forehead. Frankly, I don’t know if the girl is hungry or starving or whatever. Given that the photographer captioned his picture that way, it seems reasonable to me in the context of the set of pictures to think maybe this is a hungry, even starving child who is, well, looking for something to eat in the refrigerator.
If you’ve been waging your war against misinformation and propaganda fairly, maybe you can link us to evidence of you lambasting and raging against Jacob Holdt, the photographer that started all of this. Until you do, it is apparent you’ve simply blow this out of proportion and again demonstrate how big of an idiot you are.
Oh, and your string of responses above didn’t really make any sense. I presume it is because they were typed out in an apoplectic rage. My apologies for the typo on “many.” Also, you might want to sue that “expensive school” you attended. You didn’t get what you paid for. I have a business dinner to attend to. Have a good evening, mate.
i was never good at latine, but no care about that anyhow.
so like u im kinda tired of this, ( i just fell asleep in this net cafe)
anyhow u STILL have not explained the meaning of “REVERSE” discrimination have u?
ur racist pal at least had the balls to stand up and be a man.
try and bear with my terrible english, im a native speaker of the highest class.
for posterities sake
1)
are poor black people starving to death in the USA?
2) what is the meaning of “REVERSE persecution”?
let me repeat in case no1 heard. u r straight wrong, u know that , i know that and everybody reading this knows
that.
i call u a racist twat for very clear reasons
Firstly, u dont accept that the OP’s post is a disturbing crap post with the the shittest motives
secondly you, condoning racial hate against white ppl, and calling it “REVERSE persecution” is pathetic. u will never win an election in a majority white nation ever cuz some1 will dig up this thread.
and far from being but hurt, i cudnt give a flying fuk
i just want to expose u as the person u r
need i mention reading skils? i said i was a racist, not u, until now hah
as they say in america “u lose”
u dont know when to quit do u? PLEASE EXPLAIN why it is REVBRSE persecution
Like some of the other topics, this one on poverty have got PEOPLE here losing their temper, and cursing and swearing with all manners of vulgarities. This is far removed from the cliched “marketplace of ideas”. I think it sounds more like a marketplace of oral diarrhea. Is someone who spits vulgarities any more civilised or cultured than another who spits phlegm?
A lot of people seems to be judging others using theiur own value systems. So anybody who does not conform to their own idea of what is right is therefore deemed to be wrong. But let me tell you something:
Customer (in a restaurant): How long do you expect me to wait for my half chicken?
Waiter: Well, Sir, you will have to wait till someone orders the other half. We just can’t kill half a bird.
How’s that?
me, tommckay1478@gmail.com, 220.163.127.2
我实在受不了了你怎么那么笨啊？我英语那么差连我都能明白kai在说什么。笨就是笨，你就是笨。
Persecution complex is a psychological thing, blah. Why are you dragging racial things into it, I don’t know.
All the definitions of REVERSE persecution COMPLEX is of your own. You seem to draw the conclusions that because some Chinese feel that the “west” is out to get them, then when I mention reverse persecution complex that I’m racially hating on you? How? Explain it clearly in steps.
It’s like this: Some Chinese feel persecuted. So now you feel persecuted by them. Which is a reversal from my perspectives, purely in terms of the feeling of persecution. I’m not saying your delusions of persecution is the truth, or their feelings are true. If you feel that is racist, clearly state your reasonings. But I just said it doesn’t have any meaning of that sort. If you derive some other meanings from it, it is purely of your own making. Or if you based it on anything other than my understanding of *persecution complex,* then again, that is of your own. I cannot enter your delusional world.
Also, I like to mention something about the ‘historical’ blurb I mentioned. I should have been more clear. I was saying purely in terms how some of these Chinese persecution complexes peeps may be thinking; they derive it from historical reasonings, their persecution delusions that is. You seem to have some other delusions about that, which I can’t really comment on because I’m not insane.
ANd that is really the problem here. You are INSANE. It’s really hard to see any reasonings from your posts. Maybe if you clearly state your reasonings for each and every one of your claims, then maybe we can continue on with this lulz.
Posted by Fauna
‘me, tommckay1478@gmail.com, 220.163.127.2
我实在受不了了你怎么那么笨啊？我英语那么差连我都能明白kai在说什么。笨就是笨，你就是笨。
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Surprised to see the webmaster jumping into the fray…using Chinese to tell PEOPLE that they are stupid.’ Or is it an impersonator? Whatever it is, I am not going to take this lying down and I want to tell you this:
A husband said to his wife, “Your mother has been living with us for 5 years now. Isn’t it time she got herself her own apartment?”
“My mother?” said the shocked wife, “I thought she was your mother.”
How is that again? Funny or not?
wow, too many benoes from the retarded guy who keeps posting under different names…
@Fauna, hahahah, way to call him out!
ok, its bit bizarre to tell me off in chinese.
Yes those words in inverted commas that were wrong, they cusd also be construed as “sarcasm”. the outcome “inconclusive”
its quite a interesting posts by THATjoy, but of course ur r still entirely wrong.
U said , and i quote that my perceived persecution was because of “historical reasons”. this is not semantics.
so will people just quit trying to worm their way out of this like a weasly little rat bastard.
ur meaning, as i am fully aware, is that the white man is the originator of persecution. surely u r bright enuff 2 c the sheer hypocrisy, that YOU in fact have displayed inherent prejudice here. That is exactly what u said about white men.
I have the outmost respect for thatjoy for being decent , having a backbone and admitting why he said “REVERSE persecution” frankly.
will KAI also admit it? U’ve said what u said, ur options r these
1) be a weasly little rat bastard and ignore the point using specious arguments, false presumptions and utterly pathetic attempts at using a foreign language on a (USA registered) website. every1 still knows that u think the white man is inherently the source of all evil, persecution etc.
2) be a man.
this will involve u saying
” white man has generally benefitted from persecuting other people, that is why i said ur perceived persecution was “REVERSE”.
it is , of course nothing REVERSE about it, the only racist and persecuting crap is from u. Ur assumption that persecuting white people is “REVERSE” is perverse as it inherently shows u r the person inherently prejudiced and persecuting.
Im not “history” yet and my ethnicity suffered under colonialism far more than yours likely ever did. we were the 1st colony and the north of our country is still so.
i suppose if i injected u with the plague/ “black death”, it wud also be “REVERSE”. so it wud b ok right?
the vulgar and unnacceptable, inherently racist views r not justifiable in terms of “some chinese feel they were persecuted by white men”
im movie star plus good-looking, white, young and get more azz than ur toilet seat. of course im hardly actually bothered, its a point of fact.
I have exposed the mindset of THATJOY and KAI as racist simpletons. the remaining question is will KAI stand up and be a man?
oh yeah, and btw im not that american who earns 3 million rmb and badmouths poor sherpa girls. i guess im the OTHER EVIL RACIST WHITE GUY (living in SH). forgive me, im inherently evil, racist white dood. im the originator of persecution because im white. kill me and 9 generations of my familly, its ok, its REVERSE.
LoL, wow, even Fauna said something.
@ JoyWhat:
Just ignore him. If my explanations can’t get through to him, neither will your’s. You can tell by how he’s still going on about white men and discrimination that he’s locked into his single-track mind. Let it go. The only person who doesn’t think he’s wrong or stupid is himself. Sooner or later idiotic trolls like him will go away on their own. Or at least we can hope. No point in giving him the power to make you angry. That’s what he’s feeding off of, his ability to get a reaction from you.
“Just ignore him. If my explanations can’t get through to him, neither will your’s.”
that’s an incredible argument. \
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“LoL, wow, even Fauna said something.”
yes in a startling post i think fauna also said im wrong. i think it was einstein who said mankind’s stuipidity is endless.
Einstein was right about you. There is nothing surprising about me saying you are wrong if I think you are wrong.
i was under the strong impression that this website was somewhere where we read a translated chinese post and have the possibility of offering our opinion.
Yes. You have offered an opinion. I have offered mine. Other people have proven why your opinion is stupid. I agree.
I offered my opinion and a racist troll that LATER ADMITTED HE WAS BASING HIS PERSECUTION (note i didnt say “reverse”) ON MY SKIN COLOUR DECIDED TO FLAME ME. KAI AGREED WITH THAT AND REPEATED THE RACIST COMMENT. THE SHEER HYPOCRISY AND IRONY IS CLEAR TO SEE.
No, you are wrong. You were the first person in the comments who say something about race when you said the LZ was using this to stop Chinese girls from being with white men.
Can we now presume that opinions that dont agree with racist trolls are unwelcome here?
y exactly would we read this english language site?
笨就是笨，笨到底。
furthermore. this website is about translating chinese BBS posts to english isnt it? Y, for the sweet love of christ, y wud any1 then respond to me in chinese??? surely i could just read the original post (OH god, did i just say that, that this evil racist white man cud also understand chinese?)
Because I am Chinese and I wanted to respond in Chinese. You can respond in Chinese too if you want to.
it seems very bad. that the owner/ manager/ translator of this site wud have succumbed to such stupidity. betrayed both himself and this site’s raison d’etre ( please forgive my french, do u really want to go there?)
笑死我了。
anyhow im not fluent in french, latin or chinese so obviously im wrong about everything………..
i have a strong opinion on why fauna commented in chinese but it seems we are not all entitled to an opinion.
a startling post indeed by fauna, as a previous poster said, is it an impersonator?
No. It is me. If you do not like my website or my opinion, you do not have to come visit my website. You can go start your own website. Maybe you can start a website to say bad things about me or Chinese people or Kai or LZ or Jacob Holdt or up to you. I do not care if you are angry that I will say you are wrong or stupid when I want to. When you go spend money and time and make your own website and I come to your website and say stupid things, you can say I am wrong or stupid also.
- Fauna
too long, didn’t read…
I have been utterly sarcastic and piss-taking in this thread.
EVENTUALLY, some reasonable arguments were put forward without the previous BS. I will have the decency to return the favour. wow its taking a lot of time, but here goes.
I will apologise for wasting mt time before, I will try to explain as concisely as i can. I simply didn’t consider u worth it b4.
Let me first escuse my words with these excuses, I was initially flamed and characterised as the “EVIL RACIST WHITE MAN”. I will come to that later.
The reason i didnt take you seriously is because a few of u used pathetic, intellectually weak trolling arguments like
1 – never admitting ur wrong
2 – avoiding the point at all costs
3 – trying to type-cast me as dumb/ insane or not good at languages, as if that would somehow mean my points are wrong. I suppose if einstein posted here he would also be thick and wrong about EVERYTHING because he couldnt speak latin or chinese? Reading comprehension problems? i hope to make that clear too
4 – type-casting me along with every other EVIL RACIST WHITE MEN because im caucasian.
5 – fabricating arguments and pretending thats what i said.
6 – personal attacks that i will prove totally unjustified
7 – the classic, get the PC crowd on ur side by castigating the other side as a racist/ anti-semite etc. I suppose all palestinians agree that jews are eternal victims?
That is why i responded negatively. Uve tried to rise above ur station and be a “white man”, i will abide
“Reverse discrimination”. Lets look at these words. The only possible meaning is that persecution is different against the white man. Ie, The white man is judged on the colour of his skin. THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF RACISM. Hillariously this was used in the same post where I was accused of being an “evil white racist”.
It logically means persecution against the white man is not the same as ordinary persecution. That, of course, is inherently racist. U said it and so did kai. U failed on the 1st post flaming me.
Of course it also strongly implies condonence of anti-white feelings, but that is just an implication, not INHERENTLY TRUE.
I dont for 1 minute think any of you r 1 bit racist. its just a point of logic.
I know why u said it, the vast majority of my country and yours ( i presume) , including whites would say the same.
Its not really ur fault u slipped up, its the PC madness of our countries discourse. The inherent stupidity and hypocrisy of this phrase is clear. I beleive u agreed in ur rational post.
I included my nationality to extenuate how dumb it is.
Then let us address whether my post that was construed as “evil and racist”
I stand by my opinion that the post was hateful, bitter and racist. That the obvious intention of the OP was to run-down the USA and paint white in a bad light.
I see 2 possible viewpoints on this
A – it was a concerned world citizen concerned about poverty that made a few ‘errors’ in his post
B – It was a racist post deliberately untrue, skewed and distorted post meant to denigrate america and white people
Why don’t i feel the compunction to post about poor chinese including distortions, exaggerations and lies on english language websites?
Why r their countless racist, anti-foreign posts on chinese BBS’? Most of them r so blatently fabrications they r see-through.
Was the poster not most probably mind-fuqwed from a young age by a state controlled propaganda machine using the 70/30 policy to blacken its peoples minds in an anti-foreign manner?
Are chinese notorious for their weird obsession with americans, a mixture of animosity and aduration? Did most chinese react gleefully to the sight of the twin towers falling?
Ironically i was criticising the op for racism b4 i was attacked as the “evil racist white man”
It seems logical I was much more likely right. I did after all end the statement with a question mark. Y do u think that was? it was my strong suspicion and i stand by it.
What u then did with the troll tactics i guess by now we can all see was pathetic. A few posters have exposed the simplicity of their mentality.
Im tired of this, i’ll take some of the quotes and give my view. this is the longest most well written post ive ever written i think. life is pretcious, i dont like it.
“Your own racist little projections. Your own little – reverse-persecution complexes – HAHA assholes.”
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“Well, you at least need more supporting evidence that suggests a concerted and consistent effort to use images of poverty as propaganda to argue that this post was a…
hateful bitter and jealous post by a xenophobic chinese?”
I will be kind and suppose u didnt notice the question mark at the end of the sentence (did i mention reading skills or intellect?). It was my opinion, moreover my suspicions, hence the question mark…….
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“1. Have you never said “I’m starving” to mean “I’m really hungry?” ”
A remarkable argument. So I say A but REALLY I mean B? So I really DID mean this was some wise old chinese guy sitting, cross-legged on the top of one of the 5 sacred buddhist mountains, twirling his long whispy beard; concerned about americans poor that made a few “errors” in his post? Not a racist nasty post.
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“As I said before, you clearly have selective reading. What do you think about all the other comments by Chinese posters implicitly and explicitly criticizing the OP, pointing out that China’s poverty is worse and on a larger scale? What do you think about the Chinese posters who refuse to believe that poverty exists in the States and these pictures must be of Africa?”
My comment was about the OP, all the other comments??? sorry wheres the logic? And I HAVE SELECTIVE READING SKILLS?
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“So here, he is making his claim, that America has a poverty stricken side. I.e. he is going to try to resolve this common misconception by presenting some ‘evidence’ of America poverty. NO WHERE DOES HE MAKES THE CLAIM THAT PEOPLE ARE STARVING TO DEATH.”
Are they starving to life? a higher consciousness? do poor US people really starve at all beacuse they are poor? (ur best retort here would be statistics on malnutrition among america’s poor. it would prove nothing. Perversely I wud contend that OBESITY IS VASTLY MORE PREVALENT AMONG AMERICAS POOR)
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“Here he CLEARY SAYS that the point is NOT TO EXPOSE “AMERICA’s SCANDLE.””
Did it occur to u that this racist scumbag was pretending to present both sides of the argument so that his racist post seemed more credible. propaganda 101. uve heard of the 70/30 rule i presume?
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. No one said “reverse discrimination.”
REALLY?
I never took it personally and u kai and thatJOY seem like good guys, ur hearts in the right place, a few people have made fools of themselves here.
“If you do not like my website or my opinion, you do not have to come visit my website”
Oh god that was sad wasnt it? I like the website alot, except that i always read this when i should be reading chinese BBS’.
But u did just say that if people dont agree with your opinion they shud go to another website, didnt u? This website devoted to exchanging opinions……….I suppose evil, racist white man are not included…….
i said b4 im a bitch to argue with. isnt there a chinese slang phrase sth like “chi bu liao, run dou zou”. please illuminate my lack of language skills and stupidity.
logic shud take precedence, thats seems to be most of the posters failures.
anyhow, i look forward to any responses ( preferably including name, email and ethnicity)
Hey dude, I cannot read the CRAP you just wrote. Please be concise. Wait, there really is no need. Nothing you write makes any sense. You make these non-existence connections between things but the #1 problem is that you fail to look-up the definition of persecution complex; with that you would see that REVERSE persecution complex would be a simple tautological follow up to the definition (LOL! PUN intended).
I have clearly demonstrated the above with various quotes from you, that you clearly posses the tendencies for persecution complex. You on the other hand, have not at all showed me the things you claimed. So this is the end of it. I’m not going bother to read any more of your responses, just as I didn’t bother to read your response preceding this post.
HAHA.
^ that was a really lame reply wasnt it?
i gave u the benefit of the doubt on every account and thats what u repied………..
i suppose my english was not comprehensible to u?
or more to the point, i addressed u with decency and respect as i thought u had done me. Would it make it better if i use CAPITAL LETTERS?
do u still have no argument , u racist trolling bastard?
maybe if u suck ur felllow racist webmasters cock that will make it better?
maybe i shud start my own site?
im obviously not entitled to an opinion because im white and much smarter than u.
i wud refer u again to the 7 points i posted above, u fit the bill entirely.
and i quote myself haha
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1 – never admitting ur wrong
2 – avoiding the point at all costs
3 – trying to type-cast me as dumb/ insane or not good at languages, as if that would somehow mean my points are wrong. I suppose if einstein posted here he would also be thick and wrong about EVERYTHING because he couldnt speak latin or chinese? Reading comprehension problems? i hope to make that clear too
4 – type-casting me along with every other EVIL RACIST WHITE MEN because im caucasian.
5 – fabricating arguments and pretending thats what i said.
6 – personal attacks that i will prove totally unjustified
7 – the classic, get the PC crowd on ur side by castigating the other side as a racist/ anti-semite etc. I suppose all palestinians agree that jews are eternal victims?
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my englsh is soooooooooooo crap isnt it?
ur right about just ONE THING. u have got nothing to say.
I wil make gross racial sterotypes until a OBC proves me elsewise (hah, ur not biting r u?)
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yet again , for posterities sake, note his lingo
“I have clearly demonstrated the above with various quotes from you, that you clearly posses the tendencies for persecution complex.”
so i presume its not a , and i quote “REVERSE persecution complex”???????????????????????????????????????????
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“You on the other hand, have not at all showed me the things you claimed.”
is that really true einstein?
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“So this is the end of it. I’m not going bother to read any more of your responses, just as I didn’t bother to read your response preceding this post. ”
again refer to the 7 points…………….
I presume u didnt read them and then decided they were CRAP? ur no rocket scientist r u?
^ or maybe im wrong,maybe he cud be like those treachous, racist weasels that worked for the nazis and then switched sides?
1 – never admitting ur wrong
I didn’t know I was wrong. That is your suppositions based on nothing.
2 – avoiding the point at all costs
Points? WHAT POINTS? You don’t have any points.
3 – trying to type-cast me as dumb/ insane or not good at languages, as if that would somehow mean my points are wrong. I suppose if einstein posted here he would also be thick and wrong about EVERYTHING because he couldnt speak latin or chinese? Reading comprehension problems? i hope to make that clear too
When did I type-cast you as dumb. Show me exactly where I did this. Show me the proof.
4 – type-casting me along with every other EVIL RACIST WHITE MEN because im caucasian.
I have not done so. This is your supposition. You assumed this. You made this connection yourself. It’s not me.
You said:
“we all know china is great and america ( where evil, racist white men come from) is the devil”
So what I did below was to paraphrase you. I repeated WHAT YOU SAID. You said this! I DIDN’T. You are so weird. Notice that this also evidence of your persecution complex. You think that the entirety of the Chinese people assumes that America is where “evil, racist white men” come from.
HAHA. It can’t get any more clear. You are insane.
5 – fabricating arguments and pretending thats what i said.
Show me the proof (actually, just the money. Pay me and I will agree with you 100%). See #4 on how to go about doing this.
6 – personal attacks that i will prove totally unjustified
So what? You are attacking me.
7 – the classic, get the PC crowd on ur side by castigating the other side as a racist/ anti-semite etc. I suppose all palestinians agree that jews are eternal victims?
I don’t need any “crowd.” I just need myself. And I’m only responsible for myself. Again, you made a supposition based on nothing from me. You are imagining things.
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Clearly, this is again demonstrates your persecution complex (REVERSE, lol).
I can very clearly see that TahwYOJ is indeed being deliberately misunderstood by PEOPLE. He is wrongly mis-quoted and persecuted by PEOPLE with a sadistic predisposition.
I can understand his frustrations, but if it were me, I would not bother to rebut as to do so is to amuse them further by feeding their sadistic desires. But if I have to, I’d say:
The best way to make your wife listens to you is to talk in your sleep.
How’s that?
Obvious hes full of shit, but yeh i wont bother pointing him out anymore..
“He is wrongly mis-quoted and persecuted by PEOPLE with a sadistic predisposition.”
I thought I was persecuting him in revenge for him starting this? Anyhow wot dyu spect from an evil guy?
@TahwYOJ
I checked the link, I stand corrected. It was the complete lack of an outside door that threw me off.
@Rick in China
Fair enough. I was trying to make the point that it wasn’t hunger that was killing homeless people, I should have verified what was. Thanks for pointing it out.
america ranks only the 7th in term of GDP per capita
GDP per capita is a tricky number to get your head around. In northern Europe, a significant part of the workforce lives in neighboring countries, sending money home. Non-resident workers aren’t counted, but their income is. In America we have the opposite effect, where a significant part of our workforce sends money to their family outside the US.
social mobility halved since they took power
The main problem with social mobility in the United States is the schools. If you have money, you can afford better schools. Not that it’s impossible to improve your station through public schools and scholarships, but you have to work damn hard for it.
Unfortunately, American welfare and charity systems continue to encourage idle dependence rather than work, and to reward single parenthood while penalizing marriage.
In good economic times or bad, the typical poor family is supported by only 800 hours of work during a year: That amounts to about 15 hours of work per week.
impoverished Americans are usually more concerned about drugs and gangs than starving to death
Not necessarily in joining gangs or doing drugs, but rather the violence often associated with gangs and drug dealers, who are more predominant in poorer neighborhoods.
The question is “has the economic divide is increasing”.
I’ll bet for 2008, now that the stock markets and property values have shed trillions of dollars, the results will be more in line with the growth between WWII and 1979, which was much more even.
Assuming that all levels of society grow wealthier all the time–which happens to be the truth–then “income inequality” will always increase.
whereby the burden falls on the rich and big business.
Take it too far, and disproportionately taxing the rich and businesses is a great way to get them to leave. And Cuban cigars are illegal, while Nicaraguans, like Padron, are as good or better.
If this site is to have any credibility it can’t publish such misleading articles. Not once was it mentioned what century these pictures were from… Please be more responsible next time.
Fauna didn’t write the article, he just translated it for those of us who can’t read. This site maintains its credibility by giving us an honest glimpse into what is being said, and frankly I appreciate the hard work that goes into it.
Time is taken to pick out what to translate, so time should be taken on to put the op into context at the head article.
His job is to give us the context, to define the situation, not to tell us whether the statements within are true or false. In case no one has told you, don’t believe everything you read on the internet.
so no1 cares to address my points? hardly surprising
You insult and berate people, make fun of them for petty grammar mistakes, and glory in your supposed superiority then you’re surprised when no one wants to take the time to try to explain something?
We all know you’re just going to jump on whoever talks to you next, for whatever slight, real or imagined, that you can wring out of their words.
so please explain what u mean by “REVERSE persecution”????????
Excessive anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality, concerning a perceived threat. Aka paranoia.
Entirely different from ‘reverse discrimination’.
I read the comments, but know that in reality most people just read headlines, see the pictures, take it as fact, and move on.
You mean you think you know. You didn’t ask me. Really I’m not sure who you did ask, or how you conducted this research into the browsing habits of ChinaSMACK readers.
Those reading are crazy and in the same league as us, our brigade of buffoons.
Actually I was hoping one of you might accidentally make an intelligent contribution to the discussion or ask a reasonable question.
All you have is taken a single post and extrapolated it into a representation of a larger “problem” you perceive and are upset about.
A single word. So far, the only evidence he’s mustered is “starving”. And how does that one word equal “slant eyed cocksucker. some gook joke of a man”?
You’ve got some serious issue, Blah. If your opinion was worth anything, those words just might hurt someone’s feelings. You must have a very large brain, to hold so much ignorance.
The pictures you see is how America is going to be very soon, everywhere!!
Economy is crap which means economy is toast which means homelessness.
Say goodbye to the superpower which was once America.
Who will the world turn to in time of need when tyranny runs wild and food is scarce?
Certainly not the United States of America….We’re too poor and the Bailouts didn’t do anything for our economy.
America is no longer a Capitalist country. America is a Bailoutist country and she is going to fall soon with Obama’s “Bailout” plan. The American dollar is going to inflate like nobody has ever seen before and the Chinese will be in a world of S$%T with the 680 Billion dollars they own at this moment. That money is going to turn into nothing. The United States owes many countries money….lots and lots of money. If the United States goes bankrupt, it will not be able to pay the debt owed to other countries which means WELCOME TO THE 18TH CENTURY once again.
If America goes down….everybody goes down.
“If America goes down….everybody goes down.”
Seriously.
A workmate of mine went to the states not long ago. He was surprised to see beggars and poor people on the streets everywhere he went like L.A., San Francisco and Las Vegas. He was amazed it was so common and on every street.
Bush and Obama has no choice but to bail out the Detroit auto-makers. They employ over 3 million Americans. They have to restructure and cut their lineup of gas guzzling vehicles to hybrid and fuel efficient cars.
Bush is probably overjoyed that he doesn’t have to deal with the auto-crisis anymore because it will be Obama’s problem.
BUMP THIS THREAD, LET THE VIEWER DECIDE.
^ THE KKK WHITE PPL WILL MAKE THE NIGGAZ STARVE 1ST
WHITE PEOPLE ARE EVIL, JUST LIKE ME. WHITE PEOPLE STARVE ETHNIC MINORITIES TO DEATH IN USA. ( im a bit surprised the obcs with a higher gdp per capita income didnt realise this)
THATS THE POINT RIGHT? US EVIL RACIST WHITE MEN ARE NO GOOD.
(KAI I GUESS I GOT THE WRONG GUY, (NO FRIEND OF MINE WUD BE SO FACKING LAME)
you are assholes, plain and simple
THATJOKE is beyond hope but kai are u also willing to stand by that desperately inadquate racist troll?
ur site is quoted on chinadigitaltimes.net now
Wot was the purpose of the op? again, its simple, do u stand by that?
“Points? WHAT POINTS? You don’t have any points.”
kinda ironic then that u contested 7 of them………….
this site is shit, the owner or moderator is a racist idiot. peace im out
To even it all out here are a few pics of poor WHITE people living in America!
http://www.american-pictures.com/gallery/usa/book112.htm
Here is the original website the photos above where taken from.
http://www.american-pictures.com/gallery/usa/USA-index1.htm
Poverty does not discriminate against color, creed, nationality or race.
Hello everyone! I am a Black American and I can definitely say that these conditions do exist in America. They are real. The pictures may be very old but the story is the same. I myself have come from these conditions. Yes these pics are of Black Americans, but poverty exists with ALL races (well maybe except Asian) in this country. I must also say that yes there is rascism against Blacks but there is also an economic and class issue with poor Whites as well. Something that immigrants and people from other countries miss is that when you come here looking for opportunities, that job is being taken away from an American who may truly need it. Many people come here from other countries and make money to send it back home. Is this helping the American economy? Do you even pay taxes when u profit off America? The taxes Americans pay go towards state funding…funding which feeds and clothes and gives shelter to the people we see above….
So its nice to say, “Oh those poor people.” but will YOU help? Do YOU care. No. You don’t. I’ve been homeless and it really bothered me when I would go to apply for a job and I would have to wait in line with people who may not even be citizens of this country! How would u feel if Americans came to your country and did not help your community? Of course this would not happen because many Asian countries are Communist.
I’m not homeless anymore. I am a registered nurse and I have opened a homeless shelter in my community. I GIVE BACK to those in need. I don’t sit here and write useless blogs just to exploit poor Blacks or any disadvantaged person for that matter.
GET A LIFE GUYS!! OR BETTER YET, BE A PART OF THE SOLUTION!!
I have a life, that is why i dont give a damn about these brothers. And yes, i truly think they deserve this. I make money bro and i rather spend it on new rims to my car then giving it to these guys.
You should get a life, workng in a shelter? (smiley)
I have my own company and have only employed white people. No stealing and they work harder and better then blacks. Also they are better for my business.
So am i a racist towards my own? Hell yes! Have you ever seen a bar full of black people and compare it with a bar full of white people you understand.
Dude, you’re awesome! Respect!
Pics are clearly from the 70’s. As an American, I can tell you we do not have poverty as China or many countries know it.Anyone is eligible to collect some welfare money for a home and free food. We do still have some metally insane people who walk the streets or live in really poor conditions. The people in these pictures were not porr, just dirty and dumb and wont take care of themsleves.
Just Dirty & Dumb ChinaJim? Wow. What a statement. So like animals they should be treated. Survival of the fittest. That’s a nice thought. Good thing you weren’t born dumb and dirty ChinaJim or we would have to forget about you too.
Not all people are eligible for welfare. And welfare has NEVER given free housing. I agree with you that many of these people may have a psychological issue of some sort, but what came first the poverty or the mental instability? The two feed off each other.
There are also white, asian, native americans and Hispanic people living like this in america. The pictures only show black people as if they are the only ones in poverty, in america.