Comments from Sina:
天羽的风:
This painful and shameful period of history is something every Chinese person knows. It makes every one of us Chinese extremely sad. But none of us in the present know just what was the real situation in Nanjing during that time, none of us personally experienced it. Moreover, our understanding of this period of history all comes from books, schools, and the media. As a present-day Chinese person, we must not forget national humiliation. However, we must not so simply choose hatred even more. [We] should be more rational and objective looking at this period of history. Being too influenced by emotion is completely pointless, and is also futile. We should think for a moment and ask what should we steadily do for this country and for this nation?
火光的光:
I have not yet seen it, but just seeing this promotional picture has already made my heart heavy.
摩尼卡:
Nanjing! Nanjing!
Massacre’s blood and brutality…
…through a kind of high definition lens, very quietly emerges before us!
History magnified shakes us in a different way!
阿囧0:
So macho! So worthy of respect!!!
雪妍snow:
Have not yet seen
but I believe, after tomorrow, those who have seen this film,
will all be deeply pained!
No matter if that person is Chinese, American, or Japanese!
郎克宁2009:
I never watch China-Japan wartime film and television, a glorious large country made weak, disgraced and worried! Little Japan, I “thank” your eight generations of ancestors!
灰飞会挥发:
Japan still has not come out to apologize, yet we Chinese have already explained come out expressing our guilt for making this film, what kind of bullshit logic is that! In order to achieve doing something different, they are joking around with historical facts. Listen to the reactions [to the film] of the only surviving comfort woman of the Nanjing Massacre, “At the time, the sights were much more terrifying than those shown in the movie, I have never met a Japanese person that has found their conscience like those in the movie.” Luchuan [the director], 300,000 Nanjing souls will not forgive you, you modern Chinese traitor, for covering up the Nanjing Massacre for the Japanese!
爱你排球一万年:
If you are Chinese, then you must watch Nanjing, Nanjing.
ebayeye:
That bloody and tearful bitter history of the Chinese nation, as Chinese of a later generation, we must never forget nor should we forget. Speaking of forgiveness, some things cannot be forgiven. Compassion for the enemy is cruelty to ourselves.
Comments from Mop:
黄诗梦:
I am awaiting Nanjing! Nanjing! Show it in Japan.
匿名人士548308:
NO NO NO~~~
If you want to watch, then look at the present Nanjing!!
At the time, why was Nanjing captured in the past?At the time, those martyrs who left behind their warm blood and their skulls were exchanged for what kind of Nanjing today!?
NO NO NO
LZ, you have evil intentions!
LZ, you are diverting people’s attention!
See clearly the present!
楼上草泥马:
After seeing so many posts like this my mind only has one thought — hope that I or my son, grandson can stand on the ruins of Tokyo in memorial of the tens of millions of Chinese souls that perished.
元亨利:
History is always that heavy. In elementary school, we were taught to be proud of being born in China. In middle school when we studied modern history our hearts were entangled, our throats blocked, with tears running from the corner of our eyes, but our anger could not be vented. Now when we look at history, we can only sigh, for the humiliations of the past, for the helplessness of the present, and for the hopelessness of the future. Only during YY can we take revenge and avenge this.
xc2084:
Brothers, it is not that I do not want to watch it, it is that I am afraid to watch it, afraid that if I watch it, I will not be able to bear it.
yueqin193:
Only by facing history can tragedy not be repeated. After so many years, how many people can clearly know the truth of what happened during the war against Japanese aggression?
windboy905:
Strongly ding this up. We Chinese have too strong imaginations, always taking everything and thinking about them in our own subjective ways, often overlooking the truth. We always want other people to face history, yet we ourselves instead are always and ceaselessly avoiding it. Those media should stop talking about Red Cliff all day and give this movie some hype. If this movie does not become China’s most popular/successful movie, then that would be our sorrow/tragedy.
豆豆西:
During those days, Japan was really strong. However in the end the victor was China. Being backward deserves to be attacked, so we must continue to jia you.
篮球场上的大象:
This movie must be watched, for history, to remember, for the past, and also for the future.
乐不思蜀的猫:
Past fims and reports always made the Japanese look like simpletons, short and small, even mentally disabled. I do not think this is funny at all, because it insults the enemies who once defeated you, and essentially insults yourself. I also really dislike those fenqing who are always yelling about killing all of Japan and capturing Tokyo. In my eyes, you guys are even worse than Ah-Q. Because you all will probably never in this life step onto Japan’s territory.
Some netizens have said that some scenes of the movie has cut in the China version.
What do you think of this movie?
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this is like jews watching schindlers list and telling themselves “never forget”, while there is a newspaper with the headline “3324 Palestinian babies killed by Israeli Bombs today” laying next to them.
China should make a movie called “Great Leap Forward!” or “Cultural Revolution!” or “Tian’anmen!”
Chinese are so used to playing the victim at the hands of the evil Japanese… maybe they could play the victim at the hands of their own stupid government? (which killed 100 times more innocent Chinese than the Japanese ever did)
you do realized that would be 300 million innocent chinese, just below the entire population of China at 1949. Any facts to back it up?
The official toll of excess deaths recorded in China for the years of the GLF is 14 million, but scholars have estimated the number of famine victims to be between 20 and 43 million. (see wikipedia: 彭希哲) I can’t be bothered to look up more ‘premature’ deaths as a result of communist party policies. Look up the facts to disprove me yourself, and you might find you actually learn something about your own 20th century history.
Truth is, the Japanese will continue to be a scapegoat for the failures of Chinese gov’t policies for decades/centuries to come.
that’s still not 100 times more. However, the estimate for for GLF included decreasing birthrate in the three years. By that count there millions died as a result of collapse of soviet union
Teachershou, I agree with you 100%.
Japan is totally the scapegoat….what they did was EVIL and WRONG and Chinese people do have the right to be upset about the Nanjing massacre BUT they need ro recognize what Mao and their government did to them as well.
So, you didn’t watched “To Live”, “Farewell My Concubine” or “Tian yu/ Xiu Xiu”?
None of which were banned in China, right?
So? I would like to see any “historical” movie made in Hollywood without “hollywoodising” and twisting facts.
Not quite the same since the average Jew isn’t screaming for the deaths of those Palestinians, where as there are multiple posts above with people saying that China must take revenge on Japan and that they hope to stand on the ruins of Tokyo.
>Not quite the same since the average Jew isn’t screaming for the deaths of those Palestinians where as there are multiple posts above with people saying that China must take revenge on Japan…
Trying to equate one post that’s screaming for the ruins of Tokyo is hardly a reflection of what the avg Chinese is thinking.
I see ur comparison, but the difference is the Jews today aren’t taught to hate today’s Germany, and China does not have the luxury of reading shameful things in their newspapers.
I have to disagree. The Nazis were German, and not Palestinian. They were out to kill all Jews, they were all for genocide. Japanese were all about uniting Asia, kicking out the foreign influence. This doesn’t excuse what they did, but the intent was very different.
Not to mention, Palestine and Israel are in a constant state of war, whereas China and Japan are not. Schindler’s list was directed by an American Jew. Being Jewish doesn’t equate to being Israeli, where as “Nanjing Nanjing” was filmed by Chinese, in China, and directed at Japan.
I really don’t see any connection between what you said and Nanjing, Nanjing.
Uh oh. Gonna be a violent topic.
of course im going to watch this movie. a close friend of mine was one of the one’s who did the voiceover for one of the japanese soldiers
i dont think it has to be a violent topic im sure the Wu Mao have already found this site already and will be sending reinforcement to get the fenqing stirred up in these boards; which is sad.
Will this be the Schindler’s List of Asia though, that is something I would like people here to discuss rather than the who did what did arguments.
They hate the Japanese for the atrocities they committed, for being an invading army, and for making them subservient… and… they want to do the exact same thing to the Japanese. That’s some rock solid logic.
not the exact thing…more like what the Romans did to Carthago, or what Han Wudi and his successors did to the Xiongnu…there is no need to be gratuitous like the wonu in this effort…
Japanese are to Chinese movies like Nazis are to Hollywood movies: the villain archetype.
One of the still frames from the movie (on this page) shows German trained NRA troops confronting other NRA troops dresssed in older uniforms, wonder what that was about…
probably having to do with chaos of the general retreat. Here is from wiki:
“The decision to order a general retreat
After two days of defending against an enemy with an overwhelming numerical superiority, enduring heavy artillery fire and aerial bombardment, and with many of his troops in open flight, it became obvious to Tang that a general retreat was inevitable. The problem was that that whoever gave the order to retreat would be blamed for losing the capital and face harsh criticism from the Chinese public, Tang was very reluctant to bear this responsibility and the consequent blame alone, so he called a meeting of all senior commanders, and he showed them Chiang Kai-shek’s permission to retreat when needed, a decision to be made by Tang’s headquarters. As Tang asked everyone’s opinion and got the answer he was waiting for, which was unanimous concurrence on the need to retreat, Tang insisted that everyone to sign their names on Chiang’s order before giving out the order for a general retreat.
That evening, Tang Shengzhi himself escaped from the city through the Yijiang Gate on the northern side of the city walls—the only gate that was still available as an escape route—without officially announcing to the Japanese military authorities any intention of surrendering the city.
The general retreat turns into a rout
However, just as the defensive battle had not played out according to the plan, the general retreat did not occur as planned either. What ensued was nothing short of chaos; what supposed to be an organized retreat rapidly turned into a chaotic and panicked flight. By late evening the unorganized retreat had become a complete rout. Many commanders simply abandoned their troops and fled on their own, without giving any orders to retreat. Of the 100,000 defenders of the capital and thousands more Chinese troops fleeing back to the capital from the battles in the areas around Nanking, only two regiments managed to successfully retreat according to the original plan, and both survived intact. The other units that did not retreat according to the original plan became the victim of the enemy.
Frank Tillman Durdin of the New York Times and Archibald Steele of the Chicago Daily News saw many of the Chinese troops loot shops for food and other supplies, cast away their arms and shed their uniforms in the street. Some soldiers donned civilian clothes, sometimes by robbing civilians of their garments, and others ran away in their underwear.[12] “Streets became covered with guns, grenades, swords, knapsacks, coats, shoes, and helmets,” wrote Durdin.”
I’m not sure how good this movie will be – it looks interesting, but as of right now my favorite WWII Japan/China movie is Devils on the Doorstep.
If you haven’t seen it I highly recommend it. One of the best movies I’ve ever seen. It confronts many of the issues of occupied China without necessarily indulging itself in bloodbath.
A movie about Nanjing, however. . . Well I will expect that to be violent.
This is a sad history that I hope we never see repeated.
But, someday, we probably will see a repeat of some sort :(
You should have some sort of link in the Ah Q comment (like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_True_Story_of_Ah_Q or put it in the “glossary”). I know of it because I am taking a Chinese literature class this semester, but many (well, almost all) Westerners won´t get the reference, only the few of us that take an interest in modern Chinese literature.
really? I think most people who’ve been interested in china for a little while will probably have bumped into Lu Xun one way or another…
Hmm, when you put it that way, maybe it’s not a big deal. Not like the general Internet audience is looking at translations of Chinese message board comments. Most of the people who look here probably at least have a Chinese friend they can ask. Otherwise, I guess if they’re that curious they’ll look it up.
what does Ah Q have to do with this? it was written way before the nanjing massacre..
Read back through the comments, one of the commenters calls another one an “Ah Q”. If you’ve read the story that should make sense in context.
If you wanna watch a bloody epic that censors haven’t cut check out Assembly
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0881200/
Nanjing Nanjing has been dumbed down for general audiences.
I heard the reason why the massacre happened in the first place was because the Chinese nationalist army with much heavier tanks and better equipment retreated against a group of smaller tanks and under equipped Japanese army. So what did the Japs do when they marched into Nanking unchanllenged? The rest was history. Chinese people are pacifists and talk way too much. They only like to fight with each other and never with foreigners.
um so if a people is pacifist its ok to kill them?
the chinese army didnt have many tanks, if at all. they had halftracks such as sdkfz at the most. in addition, the preceding battle of shanghai pretty much decimated the chinese officer corp and equipments and with it, morale. added to that, the chinese didn’t have an airforce after shanghai. as such there was a breakdown in military discipline and troops abandoning their defensive positions, but i dont see how u could stretch that to be the cause of the massacre that followed…
in addition, nanjing isn’t really a great city in terms of defense and there were varying opinions. even von falkenhausen advised abandoning the city. in the end old style nationalism probably got the better of some generals who chose to stay behind in a wasteful action to delay what was inevitable anyway.
oh and i almost forgot, for one of the few times in the Sino-Japanese war, the japanese actually had a huge numerical superiority (around three times as many troops as the chinese) at the battle of nanjing.
so, WRONG BITCH.
for someone such as yourself accusing me of making out-stretched argument for the reason of the massacre, why are you assuming that I am implying it is OK to kill pacifists? btw.. you should get your facts straight, the Chinese more better equipped and definitely had the man-power, but they simply gave in to the Japs… The japs promised the soldiers good treatment if they would surrounder and the chinese soldiers did exactly that.
http://humanum.arts.cuhk.edu.hk/NanjingMassacre/NMZCR.html
The term “Jap” is racist… Chinese have NEVER been pacifists. Killing your own does not make you a pacifist. As a matter of fact WHO you kill has no bearing on the very CLEAR fact that you are NOT a pacifist.
why you hate Chinese so much? even they have been curily killed by 300,000, you just say sth good for the killers
You heard it wrong…Japan boasted at the beginning of the war “3 Days to Conquer Shanghai, 3 months to Conquer China”…well, the Battle of Shanghai lasted 3 months alone, and German Trained NRA divisions under the advice of Alexander von Falkenhausen were able to resist much longer than the wonu war planners thought possible. However, the NRA also lost the bulk of its best troops, junior officers and heavy equipment in Shanghai after its defensive line collapsed after it was outflanked by a new Japanese amphibious landing. The Japanese troops suffered heavy casualties and were enraged, and it was one of the reasons it behaved the way it did in Nanjing.
The NRA had a Panzer regiment, but it had no “heavy” tanks and neither did the Japanese. The NRA may have on paper more troops, but it was underequipped, undertrained, and lacked leadership…Tang Enbo, the guy who swore to defend the city to the death, fled…
The lack of leadership and poor morale (and also Chiang’s Hitler like meddling without Hitler’s strategic insight) pretty much sealed the Nationalist’s fate in the later civil war…
so I guess you confirmed my suspicion. The Chinese nationalist army didn’t put up a fight because the leader fled.
The chinese wasted more energy fighting in the civil war with each other than with the Japs. that’s just awesome, not.
so in the end, nanking was basically handed over to the japs, which was what I suspected in the beginning.
thanks.
Defense of Nanjing was a utter disaster, because of indecision, civilians were not properly evacuated, Tang Enbo also did not organize defense properly, it could not have conducted a Stanlingrad like defense because the Yangzi River was not controlled so no resupply or reinforcements…
Please, no more.
This is making me very sad and emotional, not because what the japs did, but mostly because i felt the Chinese people and army couldn’t have done any better at that time.
The defense of Hengyang was conducted under similar circumstances, but look at the difference. It amazing the difference leadership and determination can make.
Yeah, I wonder why the Chinese didn’t fight back.
Get over it already.
honestly im bit sick of watching chinese war tragedies. they have a habit of focusing on all the atrocities and whatnot. they should make some good old ww2 epics
But in that case, topics are few and far between. But I still want to see a movie or series based on defense of Hengyang (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_Hengyang) in that case the NRA troop performed quite amicably. (However on the operational level, 1944 was a horrible year China)
The reason why the Chinese continually replays Nanjing and why the US continually replays epics such as D-Day and Iwo Jima is because the US fought largely OUTSIDE of their country and had over 400,000 casualties while the Chinese fought WITHIN their homeland and lost over a MILLION people. In addition, the US experienced ABSOLUTE VICTORY so WW2 is a reason for the US to celebrate but China soon COLLAPSES into another civil war and decades of political turmoil (especially thanks to some of Mao’s policies) so there is nothing really for the Chinese to celebrate in WW2.
Jay,
The chinese troops that marched away with their tanks and equipment were Chiang Kai Shek’s army, in which had later retreated to Taiwan.It is true that Chinese were like a grain of sand before Communist party took over. Current China is considered to be one of the most peaceful in her history.
I did say the Chinese NATIONALIST army. read it again.
I would have thought the Tang dynasty period was the most peaceful. It was only 50 years ago that China was engaged in the Korean War, invaded Vietnam in 1979, Tibet in 1950.
oh here come the old commie arguement of ‘we did all the fighting!’. hiding in the desert for 8 years and occationally robbing ur enermies is not fighting, mate.
well, you don’t get to control of country side of hebei, shanxi and shandong just by hiding to the desert. The truth is never as simple as you think. The truth is after the US entry into the war, both Nationalist and Communist pinning the defeat of the Japanese on the US, and on the back of their mind prepared the resumption of civil war.
However, as KMT is the primary target and bore the blunt of the attacks, it just want to survive to the end while preserving an active fighting force. While the communist being only a secondary concern to the Japanese was able to expand into more and more base areas and wrestle for control with a badly over stretches Japanese government and their unreliable and ineffective Chinese turncoats. However the CCP operations would not be possible if the KMT didn’t maintain a active front in southern China. (However, the division as well as the warlord/clique politics inside the KMT, in my opinion prevented China from a proper defensive war like the Russians did…)
Here is situation after world war 2 in China, from west point military history department, the communist definitely stayed busy during the war.
http://www.dean.usma.edu/history/web03/atlases/chinese%20civil%20war/chinese%20civil%20war%20maps/chinese%20civil%20war%20map%2005.jpg
too yellow, you really are yellow! look to your own beloved chairman mao for the facts!
Mao’s order to all party members of CCP:
“The aim is to develop the military power of the CCP, in order to stage a coup d’état. This main directive is to be strictly followed: “10% of energy on anti-Japanese, 20% of energy muddering along, 70% of energy is used to develop(political and military power). Anybody, any groups are not to oppose this paramount directive.”
In 1972, when PRC and Japan established former diplomatic relationship, Mao Zedong met the then Japanese Prime Minister Tanaka Kakuei, and said:
“Don’t have to say sorry, you had contributed towards China, why? Because had Imperial Japan did not start the war of invasion, how could we communist became mighty powerful? How could we stage the coup d’état ? How could we defeat Chiang Kai Sak? How are we going to pay back you guys? No, we do not want your war reparations!”
Another famous directive from Mao:
“Some people insisted, to show that we do love our nation, we should be more anti-Japanese, but then the nation belongs to Chiang Kai-sak, we communists, our mother-land is Soviet Union, the common mother-land of the world’s communists. The aim of we communists, is to allow the Japanese to occupy more land, then a power triangle will be formed, which consisted of Chiang, Japanese and us, which is the ideal situation, the worst come to the worst, if ever Japanese occupy the whole of China, we would then still be able to fight back, with the help of the Soviet Union.”
…sigh… chinese male youth of today… so clueless about the past. incredible that foreigners know more about their own recent history than they do!
Hey, stop confusing the patriotic Chinese with FACTS!
FACTS have no place within these walls!!
[…sigh… chinese male youth of today… so clueless about the past. incredible that foreigners know more about their own recent history than they do!]
Foreigners do not know much about China or the people.
You get those foreign devils who think they are more Chinese than Chinese people and know more about Chinese than Chinese. Totally pathetic.
All these foreigners are good at doing is impose their own views on others.
please dude. you should take some history lessons. Chinese Communists were dead until soviets andmongolian forces started to feed them with money and support. (they even invented a new lettering for chinese) why do you think Mao got such power in a Manchuria(wich is not even chinese land)? your warlord clique was a failed try to instal independend states after manchurian emperor were running for life back home. be happy that americans and soviets do not wanted to handle with small nations and suported chinese nationalists and comunists instead.
The National Revolutionary Army (the formal name of the KMT troops at the time) did not just “march” away, they fought for 3 months in defense of Shanghai in the fall of 1937 and its best troops (German trained and equipped) were decimated in that battle. The KMT fought for 4 years alone before any other belligerents entered the war against Japan (USSR is one brief exception), they actually did a credible job (but inconsistent) defending the western and southern parts of China, but the rot was already there, Chiang Kai-shek had the right ideas, but the KMT leadership were mostly corrupt and or incompetent…
The losses in ‘37 and ‘38 are heart breaking, but are forgivable considering KMT was able to stabilize the front and the political/military situation it is in. However, the losses that occurred in 1944 are utterly ridiculous, considering China actually able to contest air superiority of the Japanese and Japanese navy are decimated by the Americans at Philippine sea and Leyte Gulf. (thus prevent supply of vital resources such oil to the Chinese theater, thus severly limiting Japanese operations, particularly, its armored element.) China has comparable level of equipment to the Japanese. (At least in size comparable to the Japanese expeditionary force in China)
look at all the commie haters up in here.. :)
“Current China is considered to be one of the most peaceful in her history.”
In what way?
Invading Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia, Korea, Vietnam, India, shelling Taiwanese islands and border attacks on the Soviet Union, or do you mean the decade long civil war of the CR or the GLF? Now the extension of the PLA Navy to be a blue water navy to threaten SEAsia nations into subservience?
There maybe not be regional warlords in China any more, but that does not mean the last 60 years has been peaceful.
No, actually, the reason may be retaliation 4 battle of shanghai.
JKS fought hard (to death basically) at SH for stupid “international sympathy” in hopes of drawing sanctions against Japan. It didn’t work. However, in the long run, Battle of SH gave the Chinese nationalist some breathing room and directly slowed Japanese’s original goal of sweeping across China in 3 month.
Reason I mention Battle of Shanghai because to understand Nanjing you have to understand Battle of SH.
Either way WWII was a fucking BLOOD-BATH. The reality of this part of history is just very, very sad. So many people died…all over the world. For nothing but stupid monkey (read human) ass bullshit.
I just hope this doesn’t get a re-run in the future. Haha, I doubt it. Shit is going to hit the fan again and it will be final straw. FUck yeah! I want EVERYONE on PLANET earth to DIE!!!
I hope it’s not going to be another jingoistic movie like Assembly.
It’s going to be even more jingoistic than Assembly. Assembly was about the war between the Nationalists and the Communists, not about Sino-Japanese war, which is on a totally different scale when compared to the Chinese civil war.
jingoistic? Assembly Call was a sad anti-war movie, maybe I interpreted it differently…those troops died without recognition, the realistic movie ending would have stayed that way, but the censors had to change it…
Strange, I thought Assembly was refreshingly devoid of strong jingoistic, Communist propagandic overtones, especially when compared to the vast majority of Chinese war movies. To me, it was a really good “war fucking sucks” and “pity the soldiers” movie.
I suspect you’re either seeing what you wanted to see in a Chinese war movie, or you’ve never seen worse propagandic Chinese films.
I haven’t watched “Nanjing! Nanjing!” so I can’t comment on its content. But Feng Xiaogang’s Assembly is jingoistic? Not likely. The theme of the movie is, as the movie’s posters told, 每个牺牲都是永垂不朽的 every sacrifice is immortal. Guzidi’s company was ordered to cover headquarters’s retreat and to hold the trench until assembly’s blown. However, the assembly call never arrive, Guzidi’s discipline made him refusing to withdraw and his men died one by one. The battle scene is TERRIFIC, but if it’s the only point, the movie wouldn’t be so successful. After the war ended, Guzidi couldn’t contact with his regiment and his men’s sacrifice was forgotten. The second half of the movie is the director’s emphasis, on Guzidi “spends the rest of his life feeling guilty for the death of his men and trying to prove and achieve recognition for the honorable deed of his forty-seven soldiers.” He succeeded. The Assembly call was finally blown and his men all rest in peace.
The movie has a refreshing viewpoint from those old ww2 propagandistic ones and deserves my recommendation. Amazon has its DVD and blu-ray versions.
I love Assembly Call, it for the first time elevated individual live above collectivism widely seen in traditional Chinese war films, but sadly few have truly understood the message Feng Xiaogang was conveying.
I will go to the cinema with my girl for Nanjing Nanjing this Saturday, she asked me to carry tissues for tear-wipe, she said many have gone emotional or plainly cried. I have been keeping myself from trailers on the web just for a un-spoilered experience. Can’t wait.
It’s a terrible tragedy, akin to the slaughter of the Jews. Yet it seems that the attitude of Chinese towards modern Japanese is quite a bit different from that of Jews towards modern Germans. Some people will say that is because Germany had lots of “truth & reconciliation” and Japan still honors the generals who died during the conflict. However I suspect that even if that were to occur the attitude wouldn’t change. Just look at SniperWZ, his idea of reconciliation is that China annex Japan as its own territory. Hopefully before that ever happens, China will be a place where the movie “Tiannanmen! Tiannanmen!” is playing in all major movie theaters.
Annex? I don’t believe China wants the land of the rising bloody tampon (like the flag)…Korea (either North or united) will likely nuke Japan again before China gets to do anything though…
China would definitely become stronger with a new, more nationalist regime to replace the CCP, to remember and reverse the official history on Tiananmen (note the spelling) will be one of the first things any new regime will undertake…
Loser… tiny pricked loser…
Your opinions are well-taken. But I’d try to stay away from–a little bit–making broad generalizations like that.
What do I know right. I am a evil evil evil dude named FG42 & MP44!
Lawl.
People love harping on about how China has crap human rights, how the ‘big brother’ government is always preying on it’s people and they’re always off invading some poor little help nation. You have to be an idiot to actually accept that. The fact is people’s conditions in China are improving and that most people are satisfied with the country’s progress.
What China really needs most is stability. I say democracy isn’t an appropriate form of government at present when much of the nation is still relatively poor without even the rudimentary understanding of economics, politics, etc. And current examples exist everywhere – African nations, Thailand, Fiji, etc, of weak, ineffective, democratic governments that have brought their countries to ruin. Even India, after so many years of colonial rule and democracy, is not half as effective as China in tackling poverty, economic development and wealth creation. Is it’s human rights record any better? No. China for most part is an extremely safe place. Sure corruption is a big issue. But that’s being tackled, as it would under any system running on capitalist principles. Inefficiencies will eventually be weeded out.
Let a nation grow in wealth and education will follow. With education comes all the freedoms and perks of a first world country, which is where China is heading.
What it doesn’t need is sanctimonious, hypocritical arseholes claiming the high moral ground in everything China does. As for free press. Western media and Hollywood have a far greater claim to propoganda tactics than any Chinese media ever could. They’re just smarter at dressing it up. Thank goodness we at least have an internet that’s relatively neutral and accurate.
So in 50 years, when China is uniformly prosperous and politically stable, totally free of all corruption, poverty and unhappiness, you’ll be proved right. Because of course that is what is going to happen poppet. China won’t have split up into tiny pieces under pressure from its immense internal weaknesses as it does like clockwork every hundred years or so, oh no. The govt has it all under control, and are in no way to be confused with a headless chicken running scared of the economy slowing down even a tiny amount and leading to massive social unrest and criminality in what is already a lawless, dog-eat-dog society with no safety net for anyone but the rich and well-connected. Hm. I know because they told me so.
And no chance that China will have been over-taken by then by India or Indonesia or one of those so-called democratic countries, whose foolish tactic of slower, more steady grow and more open societies to halt the spread of corruption and abusive by those in power.
Er, but hang on in fact India does have a much better human rights record than China. Apart from North Korea, most places do. Sorry, are you some Brit-educated (‘arseholes’, eh?) North Korean govt official? Your post has several rhetorical questions to which the actual answer is screamingly the opposite to the one you’re trying to foist on the world. Do you really believe that you, Mr Small Potato Chinese Person, can print or say anything you like on all matter of subjects without getting ‘harmonized’ or worse pretty sharpish? And so on about safety, education, where China is heading etc. Are you in fact a) a govt official or b) on some kind of happy pills medication?
I’ve got it, you’re Jackie Chan! Hey man I loved Police Story. Last few movies, the least said the better though.
By the way, to anyone out there not wearing a CCP tie pin, see Nanjing Nanjing, ignore the little Ah Q’s like this tool, it’s a great, great film. Best war movie I’ve seen period, the young director pored his life blood into it and deserves the kind of support and respect he’s sure not to get from the net-crazed fenqing idiot generation in his own country.
I agree with your argument that democracy cannot sustain on fragile law and order, and that China is prepared enough right now, but your subsequent part of the essay consists of a lot “If”s and quite frankly I call it “dreaming”. And corruption being “tackled”??? Poverty lifted?? Didn’t you happen to notice that the recent stock market plummet just wiped out a huge portion of our middle class??? You want a decent example of poverty lifting?? See Germany and Japan for their post-WW2 reconstruction.
btw I just cam back from the cinema watching Nanjing Nanjing, the experience was, well, disturbing, but educational, it’s more like a documentary instead of a standard film, with subpar plotting and eye-tearing black’n white screen. One huge letdown is that the film uglifies Chinese especially Chinese men, there is only one heroic figure and he died in the beginning and the following scenes were filled with cowardice and un-resistance, and the women are depicted much stronger than the men, who only never thought of putting up a fight. Basically the movie signifies the notion of Sick Men of Asia.
Do I recommend it, yes but not for a fainting heart, and minors should stay the FUCK AWAY from Nanjing Nanjing.
If you ever read about Chinese history, You will find Chinese is never good at invading any countries, but always busy with fighting back the invaders.
This is a very dangerous movie.
One cannot watch it without having extreme hatred towards the Japanese.
In some ways, this movie can be compared to a well-made S/M video.
A lot of bad things were done in history but how often do we have to be reminded by having vomit served in our soup bowl.
I seriously question the motives of the writer of this movie. I think he, like the Japanese in the film, is nasty.
MASON: I don’t see how you cherish the memory of the dead, by killing another million. This is an act of lunacy, General Sir. Personally, I think that you are a fucking idiot.
HUMMEL: Patriotism should be refreshed from time to time.
MASON: Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious, according to Oscar Wild.
The only thing that’s dangerous is the danger of forgetting it ever happened. I prefer the virtue of the vicious over the vice of the virtuous.
The real danger is letting a work of fiction be perceived as actual history.
no my half-wit friend. the real danger is having people like you ASSUME that I actually believe Mason and Goodspeed conducted an incursion underwater to re-take an impregnable fortress held by an elite team of U.S. Marines, in possession of eighty-one hostages and fifteen guided rockets loaded with V.X. poison gas, and that they succesfully deactivated the biological weapon of mass destruction on Alcatraz and therefore San Francisco still stands. Beautiful. Did someone hit you with a dumbstick?
I meant “Nanjing, Nanjing” not “The Rock”. What’s your deal of going off on people with personal attacks when they made no attack on you, said nothing against you, etc? Not very civil. You do that in real life too or only in the anonymous world of the internet? Also, not the best idea for someone with all the personal information linked directly to their Chinasmack account.
i fully agreed with what ding ding said about u. there is plenty of information on rape of nanking. only the japs are denying it. unlike the germans, they admitted atrocities on the jews. they r forgiven. as for the japs, it is their denial against heaps n heaps of evidence.
as for u, pls do your homework before u air uneducated opinions.
LoL, nice.
Kai, About Ding Ding’s comment “I prefer the virtue of the vicious over the vice of the virtuous.” Really, that’s funny and clever? Explain. It’s an empty twist of words.
are you that fucking dense? I started out my comment quoting a movie… it’s neither smart nor clever, it’s just fucking brilliant!
Yeh, Kai actually said “lol, nice”, to the quote from ‘The Rock’ (hopefully). However, for some reason Ding Ding then goes on to contradict the quote he gave. You know, Ding Ding, it’s easy to remember something without being patriotic at the same time…
With patriotism, you’re far more likely to remember the incident for all the WRONG reasons; the rape of Najing becomes a ‘reminder’ that the Japanese are evil and that China needs its revenge.
According to the imdb synopsis, the film follows the accounts and experiences of a number of individuals, one of those is a Japanese soldier. I have a very strong feeling that that soldier will be presented in a very strong light, like he’ll risk his life to save a pregnant Chinese woman, or he goes insane with regret after following the orders of a commanding officer, perhaps committing suicide (though suicide might be TOO strong a light).
Either way I predict a long monologue coming from that Japanese soldier’s lips about the evil nature of the Japanese…perhaps in way that might well negate the depiction of the Japanese as not all evil, just to keep the nationalists happy.
Hopefully not though. (it would be sad to merely see the Japanese soldier simply presented as a straightforward demon, perhaps suffering an ironic death, like he forces his way into a house, killing a young girl who resists. He is busy looting that house, it sets alight in the chaos. His greed keeps him there, stealing; the way out becomes blocked off, he dies. Or maybe despite his crimes, the virtuous Chinese master of the house saves that Japanese soldier, opening the demon’s eyes to true civilization? Perhaps the story continues, they form a brief bond. Later that Master is seen standing infront of a firing squad, will the Japanese soldier step up to save him, or be too afraid to look weak infront of his countrymen?)
Any other ideas???
The possibilies are endless. The Japanese did, of course, commit the ‘rape’, but as you say, this film can only strengthen the seething hatred many Chinese have towards the Japanese.
不要说什么我们抓住历史不放，那是因为我们一直没有得到我们所希望的，我们中国人要的是日本真诚的并且是官方的道歉！
没有人应该告你抓住历史不放.这倒是.但我害怕这部会导致普通的中国人恨普通的日本人,可不是?我感觉这时后的普通的日本人不应该负责任.不是他们的错.比如,在美国有一部电影叫The Passion of the Christ(基督的死亡的事).那部电影演后很多人对犹太人歧视了.这时候的犹太人不应该负责任,是吧？那现在的日本人呢?
And how were the Jews discriminated against because of the “Passion of the Christ” movie? I don’t think you can draw a safe parallel there.
The purpose of the “Passion of the Christ” was not stoke anger against Jews. It’s purpose was to highlight Christ and proselytize. If it was according to your mindset, it would have been better titled “Christ Murdered by Romans.”
Who knows yet how this movie will play. But it looks like a nationalistic movie. It is certainly to make a lot of money, which is certainly its producers intent! Who can fault them. That’s why porn is made.
I didn’t say the movie discriminated against Jews, I said after the movie was played, there was a lot of discrimination against Jews and I happen to know, being a Jew with lots of Jewish friends being called “Christ killer” by overzealous Christians.
You can claim that the Passion was meant to highlight Christ, but just like I said in another post, it turned out to be nothing more than a snuff film. Mel Gibson also doesn’t have much to show for himself after going on Dateline and declaring that he’s absolutely not anti-semitic and then proceeding on a drunken anti-semitic tirade to a bunch of cops along with adamantly stating that his father never lied to him about his denial of the holocaust.
I’m not going to make this about religion, though. But the parallels are very easy to see.
How many movies and tv shows can the Chinese make about the same thing?
considering there are multiple version of movies and tv series based a novel or event(6 movies and 7 tv series on The Heavenly Sword and Dragon Saber); so yeah, quite a lot.
Probably just as many as the British and Americans can make about WWII.
Nice Chen!
This movie will show in a cinematic method some truth. The film should be shown in Japan. Also should be shown in the United States, as my ancestor Americans were shamefully too slow and afriad to aid the Chinese people against Japan’s militaristic aggression. If Chinese people see this film , they may be moved to hatred of Japanese people today, it should be remembered that people in Japan today did not commit these war crimes. The human race now has the technological means to detroy itself, our only hope may be to remember that within each of us is a paleolithic survivor which is capable of unspeakable cruelty to our fellow man. This film will also show the younger people in China what their grandparents may have experienced and shaped their view of the world. If we can remember the suffering that results from wars, even in ‘victory’ maybe there will be more hesitation to start the next war.
The Americans should be damned for everything. Americans are either too slow to help or too aggressive when they do. Can they ever get anything right?
The director of this movie intended not to light up the hatred again but to tell a fact that there is no winners from any war. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/world/news/e3i73a607e8e83226dae26e2a6bfc36d907
As for the question of whether this will be an East Asian Schindler’s List: I sincerely doubt it. Schindler’s List was about the struggle of a non-Jew to save the lives of Jews because he felt it was the right thing to do. It did not focus on violence, but rather focused morality (or lack of it), and survival. Judging from the pictures, this will be more like The Passion of the Christ: a snuff film intended to garner hatred.
One doesn’t have to look very far to see this, as the most violent thing seen in Schindler’s List was people being shot in different positions. By contrast, there is actually a picture above of a woman’s head being sawed off.
The Chinese and the Jews have a lot in common. Both were subject to awful horrors, and both continue to dwell on them today. It’s part of their identity.
Despite this both carry a lot of influence in the world. The Chinese, however, have too little influence in proportion to their population. The Jews much more influence then their population. For example, in the United States they make up more then 20 percent of all US Senators, but less than 2 percent of the population. Plus, they are well over-represented in financial institutions (Bernake, Geitner, et al). The Chinese still have a long way to go.
picture above of a woman’s head being sawed off is actually a historical picture, and quite a famous one btw, taken by the Japanese. I don’t think it’s will be in the movie. A previous 1987 movie， Massacre in Nanjing 屠城血证 has a lot of gory scenes removed in the film version compared to its later tape and VCD release.
history should be never forgotten, no one should stop the truth telling, it can remind us dont ever ever let it happen again…..
Nanjing is not the reason Chinese should towards the Japanese. it is a good lesson for everyone: don’t be the government’s machine, independent thinking is most important, we are all human being, not animals.
i haven’t see the movie, but i don’t agree with the topic is so off, there are always some good different perspectives in every history.
I don’t see how this is much more different then any of the “Pearl Harbor” movies in the United States. Every country likes to remember its tragidies. And of course, governments can exploit it. Hitler himself exploited the treatment of the German’s post WWI to this end. Certainly, the resulting actions were unjustified, but he exploited it nontheless.
Let’s just face it. The Japanese are a peculiar people. But they do make great food, beer, and comics, but they are odd. Where else in the world is it okay for grown men to collect girls underwear? Weirdos.
>Let’s just face it. The Japanese are a >peculiar people. But they do make great >food, beer, and comics, but they are odd. >Where else in the world is it okay for >grown men to collect girls underwear? >Weirdos.
no need to generalise to the whole population. i don’t collect girl underwear.
“The Chinese and the Jews have a lot in common. “-Sushi
Yeah, like the love of money…everything has a price.
Is your comment antisemitic, “antisinoic”, or both?
Although, I do see a lot parallels though between Jewish (in America) and Chinese women.
I can’t speak to Israeli women, but I hear they are a lot better than the American version (see earlier post of Israeli chicks with guns…MmmmMMmm…delicious)
your comments about jews are ridiculous. i doubt youre jewish, in which case, you should know to keep your mouth shut.
Sushi, 20 percent of the US Senate is NOT Jewish. The number is closer to 10 percent.
History should never be forgotten, but it should not be presented in a way that manipulates the viewer’s most base emotions, either. Not sure if this movie does that and About the movie will reserve judgment until I see it.
Great post.
Split the difference 14 out of 99. 15 when Al Franken wins MN. Point still stands. Way more influence than their proportion.
Hahaha!
All those sillies talking about “never forgetting history,” well it sure seems that the Chinese have forgotten a large chunk of their recent history, namely, “cultural revolution.”
Where are all the movies showing the cruelty and hypocrisy of Chinese towards Chinese? How many Chinese were killed during the “cultural revolution”?
Chinese have killed more Chinese since WWII than the Japanese killed during the war. Or is it OK when Chinese kill Chinese?
Chinese need to wake up and take a good look at themselves. Sixty years and still living WWII- that’s like American blacks still whining about slavery.
Every society needs an enemy.
China needs Japan (and USA).
The USA needs Osama bin Laden (and China).
The EU needs the USA.
India needs Pakistan.
….the list is endless.
It’s just human nature. It’s easier to have an enemy on the outside rather than an enemy on the inside. Getting over it just isn’t an option.
I disagree. China should NOT think of Japan as their enemy. China is not America’s enemy. The USA is not the EU’s enemy.
Some of these countries are at odds with each other. They are not enemies. We are no longer living in feudal times and I would like to think with an organization like the United Nations, that we’ve improved just slightly since then. Thinking of another country is your “enemy” only begets hatred which, in turn, begets war.
That said, I agree with Richard. What I’m really waiting to see is if the people of China remember what happened on May 12th last year. That will be interesting, considering the story of Ai Weiwei.
Oh so you like rhetorical questions. Smart boy. Then you must know that in the cultural revolution most people died from famine and not: mass rape; mass genocide; beheadings; using people as tests for flame throwers, germ warfare and an assorted variety of other fun little weapons.
And here’s MORE information for your ignorant self: there are plenty books and movies on the cultural revolution. But perhaps you haven’t looked. Or you just don’t read. At least with the cultural revolution it was a simple power struggle, hidden within the excuse of a class struggle, without bias or prejudice. In the Japanese case the Chinese were the reason – to be killed and used in any way they deemed fit for animals. It hasn’t even been officially acknowledged in Japan. The German Chancellor knelt at the monument to Jewish victims, how about the Japanese get their impotent little emperor to do the same?
So richard, why don’t you get your fat sad arse to local video store and start counting how many movies have been made on the Holocaust, then count how many made on Nanjing Massacre and other japanese war crimes. Then totter back to your little basement hovel where you live with mummy and have a good think. Do I or I not actually have anything to contribute?
That’s a rhetorical question you needn’t bother answering.
Nobody forgets that. As a Chinese, I did not forget. There are also TV series and books published in China on the cultural revolutions.
if the movie can dissect the Japanese army individual’s thoughts, maybe more interesting.
Its emphasized in the schools, kids know songs about it, the tv has many daily “documentaries” and dramas about it, the bookshops stock numerous books on it, the people openly say they dislike or hate Japan or Japanese people then zoom off in their Honda, Toyota, Mistsubishi (the guys that bombed Shanghai) or whatever and then protest that their feelings are hurt and Japan is evil!
Thank god none of them know what they’ve been doing to each other since.
Pretty much every Chinese person can list off (disputed) facts about the Nanjing Massacre, but I don’t think I’ve ever encountered a single one (other than in one of the comments posted above) who has mentioned the fact that they actually *WON* the war in the end!
No doubt because the final victory A) doesn’t really fit in with the victim mentality promoted by the CCP, and B) would lead to the inconvenient truth of the Red Army being practically uninvolved coming to light, there aren’t going to be any blockbusters on that subject any time soon.
Don’t make comparisons to quality, well directed movies like Schindler’s List and such… maybe Pearl Harbor… cause it sucked.
You will never know if you did not watch. I like Shindler’s list but I don’t like Peral Harbor. And I don’t like to see above two compared as well.
The end of WWII didn’t end their sick fetish in their S&M porn videos. At least nobody was killed in making those videos because the actors are Japs themselves.
like this movie.. very good example for chinese racism and propaganda. will see mongolian and uighur films about how chinese started to masacre their people.
not that chinese nationalists killed much more than japanese.
From a Shanghai newspaper, December 13, 1958
“On the early morning of December 13, the citywide battle to destroy the sparrows began. In large and small streets, red flags were waving. On the buildings and in the courtyards, open spaces, roads and rural farm fields, there were numerous scarecrows, sentries, elementary and middle school students, government office employees, factory workers, farmers and People’s Liberation Army shouting their war cries. . . .In the city and the outskirts, almost half of the labor force was mobilized into the anti-sparrow army. Usually, the young people were responsible for trapping, poisoning and attacking the sparrows while the old people and the children kept sentry watch. The factories in the city committed themselves into the war effort even as they guaranteed that they would maintain production levels. . . .150 free-fire zones were set up for shooting the sparrows. The Nanyang Girls Middle School rifle team received training in the techniques of shooting birds. Thus the citizens fought a total war against the sparrows. By 8pm tonight, it is estimated that a total of 194,432 sparrows have been killed.”
In the resulting famine more than 35,000,000 people died of starvation.
Rather than disputing the facts of a time period that I was not a part of, I just think comment Number 4 and the last comment are so refreshing. Fair, even-handed, and sensible.
It’s so easy to get bent up from commentators on the internet because there’s no learning curve and every one keeps repeating the same useless and offensive shit.
your comment is the most offensive comment yet. in fact you are just an offensive person, everything about you is offensive. you are so offensive you start to offend yourself and you don’t even know it.
Society is deeply perverted with tendencies for genocide. It is our nature. The fact is that all, and everything you see, and enjoy, is the direct result of past genocidal events. Many disagree on this fact but for every action there is a reaction. Do the people of present live and exist in a temporal vacuum? That is, completely unaffected by actions of the past? Of course not! Then one must ask: what are the actions? That is, we must be real and come out with the real truth, we must know what “dirt” and “grit” of the past which is resulting in the people of the present–the “dirt” of past expansionist and imperialist genocides.
Would you really trust a society that, but two hundred years ago, murdered an entire people? Where did this genocidal perversion go? Did it just disappear all of the sudden? And now people are civilized? No. The taint is still there–the darkness is ingrained in the culture. The same darkness, moved from one part of the “cultural psyche” and manifested it’self in a different part. This underlying darkness, insecurities, and other fucked up modernity living bullshit permeates everything and all things of our present time and place.
I’m only saying this because I feel a need to present the other side of the coin, to remind people the absurdity of existence, for there is currently just too much bullshit (agreed it is everywhere). It is the “let the dude without sin cast the stone” argument.
We know the effects? But what are the causes? Is it some sort of surrivalist insitinct that is causing us, entire societies, entire fucking cultures, to act this way?
Or is it something more spritual? It is possible but I do not subscribe to this angle. For the so-called holy men are themselves … fucked up.
Basically, it’s everyone thinks their burden is the heaviest. Yeah.
Narcissist! You point out that people are, but look at yourself! The same thing! The same tainted fabric.
Now, I’m glad I got that off my chest. Just pointing out the absurdity of life, that’s all. I’m part of this bullshit.
Thus Spoke Captain Absurdity…
OT: I see some ellipsis symbol (U+2026) at the end of your sentence? Am i right in assuming that you are an admirer of Unicode?
nice picture, I will recommand this movies to my tibetan friend
good point hopefully chinese can learn something from that…dont let the history repeat…
Just like most people you are way too optimistic. History will repeat itself, perhaps not in the exact manner but in some other form. We (humans) will just come up with a more modern and more efficient way of mass killing and genocide. I am waiting for the day when the human gene pool starts to split and one group of alpha-humans start to evolve in a way where they start to dominate another group of beta-humans and use them as domesticated “cattles”. This is different from slavery because slaves can still raise up against the owner, but cattles can’t.
This is what society–aka the system–is!
It is like, we put our selves in self-bondage. We evolved a system whereas now it is anything but truly free.
This is my opinions of society on a macroscopic level–the big picture. On a smaller scale one doesn’t notice it as much because a slave cannot see much–neither in front or behind. So, I obliviously trudge ahead.
Is it so bad? Of course not! It is not so bad being a slave.
There is always talk of democracy. But what is it? The Greeks were the first ones to develop it (so according to your text book. But I noticed that sometimes the text book ignores other events. I mean I still remember blurbs about Columbus discovering America. Text books are simply tools utilized to present a society’s self-narrative at any particular moment, in time). But if one really delve deeper into it, to look at the big picture, what we are living in is a society similar to the one in Plato’s republic (Ha. Is it? I dunno. I’m not well-read).
Anyway, I just think the system sucks. I’m happy–as happy an oblivious slave ought be.
dude, stop smoking weed.
I was talking about the possible evolution of alpha and beta humans.
you are talking about some philosophical nihilism.
you need to reply to some idiot who thinks he can change the world from his home computer or something.
please don’t take offense to my comment, because I do agree with you on some levels. it is just that your comment doesn’t apply to my comment.
If by history repeating itself, you mean there will be more killing, then yes. But the extent to which it repeats itself is up to us today.
Your kind of thinking is not only useless in minimising that extent, but it even sounds like an excuse for making moves to ensure YOU become the master and not the slave.
Lol about your prediction though. Alpaha and beta humans?! lol! Dude, it’s you who needs to lay off the weed.
i am an overseas chinese. my ancestors came to south east asia 70-100 years ago. but i am still chinese. i think chinese all over the world need to know history ie the past so that they can appreciate the present and forsee the potential threat of the future. the refusal of the japs to acknowledge the atrocities committed till today tells us that history may repeat itself. the persistence of jap leaders visiting the yasukuni shrine yearly tells us not to take things lightly. there is a deeper meaning in that.
“overseas chinese”
whats that? is it a nation? a ethnic group? a social club membership? a mafia? a citizenship? who told you are the one?
“BUT THE CHINESE KILLED PEOPLE TOO”
“THEY DESERVED IT BECAUSE ________”
“THEY WON SO IT’S OK”
Are really fucking stupid reasons to go about saying how this movie doesn’t need to be shown. It’s an IMPORTANT HISTORICAL EVENT that happened during WWII, one that not many people know much about outside of China.
Also, I would disagree that any one nation deserves the massacring of its citizens. ALL nations in the world have bloodshed in its history; all of them have caused deaths and torment to people in other countries. Yes, even the US.
—not many people know much about outside of China—
well.. i think that everyone will remember that funy “japs bashing action” done by chinese worldwide after someone of them was in a japanese temple.
Please don’t try to act like one of those hypocrites who think they care lots about human rights. Nanjing is history and fact. Whatever issue with current chinese government is totally different matter.
That’s because of this type of drama/movies that I hate Mainlanders.
Why do they have to make these films everytime ? They’re already brainwashed at school… I don’t deny the fact that the Japanese Imperial Army killed many Chinese back then. But having this huge hatred for Japanese people is completely stupid. Why don’t they go forward ? THey just need to remember this important history event but they don’t have to fuel hatred between 2 people !!!!!!! Even though, Koreans don’t like Japanese, they don’t make dramas/movies on the Japanese everymonth. Even in France where the resistance against the Nazis was pretty strong, we don’t make this damned type of movies everyday in order to foster hatred towards the Germans !!!!!
In the end, Mainlanders are too brainwashed by the CCP to see that they’re in fact narrow-minded people with no mutual understanding …
u think everyone is a smart arse like u and remembers everything? look at the massacre of chinese in indonesia – it happens more than once. do u know? u may know now but wld your children or grandchildren know? what makes you think the japs will not launch another attack 20, 50 or 100 years later?
The Nanjing Massacre and the heinous “war” conduct of the Japanese should be spotlighted. However, aren’t there a few other bits of Chinese history that don’t have to do with being victimized by the Japanese that China might want to review? I’m not talking about not showing the Japanese atrocities, but also seriously exploring a few other oft ignored things like the Taiping and Boxer Rebellions to start with.
ever seen the movie “Warlords”? that’s about Taiping, quite good too
Always meant to see it, never had the chance. Thanks for reminding me.
“In the end, Mainlanders are too brainwashed by the CCP to see that they’re in fact narrow-minded people with no mutual understanding …”
But this serves the political purposes of the CCP and that is why the army continues to prepare for an invasion of the mainland from Japan. PLA Army officers I have spoken to find these preparations laughable, but the political leaders like to perpetuate the Japan myths and purported threat for political gain.
In the end, this ridiculous nationalism will hurt the mainland, as reaction from Japanese nationalist groups grows stronger, though they represent perhaps a few percent of popular opinion in Japan. The post-nationalist phase Europe is currently experiencing, compared to previous phases, is perhaps decades if not a century away in China. Political philosophy and debate in China is stunted and to the determent of the country, as it will not be able to react responsibility internationally and explain this to the population, assuming they will act responsibly and tell the truth as to why… a big assumption.
couldn’t have happened to a nicer people
just as much as the feeling, deep hatred and distrust against the Japanese gov’t by the Chinese citizens, it is the same feeling that Tibetans feel in their heart every since the so called, “peaceful liberation” of Tibet in March 10th 1959! It is ironic, that the way Japanese treated Chinese during this massacre is the almost same way that Chinese treated Tibetans! 1.2 million lives were lost since the occupation, never in history of Tibet did we face such destruction and lost of lives…Any movie that CCP supports has strong intention, and I hope this movie doesn’t create more anger and hatred, as if its not going enough in today’s society – but rather to build a stronger nation of understanding that this cannot be repeated again in this and future generations.
tenzin
Sorry but can you provide a reference to the “1.2 million lives were lost since the occupation” claim? According to UN ESCAP
http://www.unescap.org/
Before the occupation (1952-1958), Tibet “was characterized by high mortality and low fertility. The total number of the population in Tibet was slightly increased in this period”. Tibet’s population at 1959 was 1.2059 millions, and increased to 1.4805 millions in 1969.
More from the website:
“The third period 1970 – 1985 : was a period of rapid increase in population growth. The crude birth rate (CBR) fluctuated at 25 per 1,000, and the natural growth rate (NGR) continued at 18 per 1,000. The population increased to 1.9948 million in 1985.
In the present period, 1986 to now : population growth and CBRs and NGRs dropped a little, but they are still higher in China. In 2000, the CBR was 17.60 per 1,000 and the NGR was 11.00 per 1,000. “
—Tibet’s population at 1959 was 1.2059 millions, and increased to 1.4805 millions in 1969.—
great leap forward was a time when Mao send millions of former rich east-tibetans and sichuanese there to die. and you should count the whole tibet and not so called Tibet autonomous KZ wich was anyway never high populated becuz of klima and nature.
1970-1985 plus comes from yellow master race para-millitary and PLA going to teach tibetans how to kiss yellow arses.
the article’s link in my previous comment should be
http://www.unescap.org/esid/psis/population/database/chinadata/tibet.htm
Only 1.2 million? That’s 1.12 million too few.
Saw the movie. I like it.
3 Questions:
Is racism good?
Are chinese people racist?
Do chinese hate japanese?
To be honest, I think some foreigners are blowing this movie out of proportion. (sone chinese too)
This movie is a good history lesson. Also, the movie has a few japanese soldiers that refuse to commit the atrocities in Nanjing. I think that is a really great and refreshing view. For once, a chinese movie that doesn’t show all japanese as devils. Keep in mind most people living in Japan were not aware of the Nanjing incident. It was act commited by soldiers abusing their power. Evil men…
They were not evil because they were japanese. They were evil because they commited evil acts. The same evil that will fall on anyone that decided to act out of hatred… (ring a bell anyone)
This movie should teach people the fallicies of hatred and bring people together. Not chinese or japanese, bur anyone that is against hatred in any form. Be it desrcimination, racism or rape murder and mass killing. All evil starts from a single thought.
that’s well said. Yes!
We should judge individuals on their individual merits, and hating a people is not rational (lawl Cpt. Absurdity on rationality!)
I feel sometimes I have irrational fear which leads to some hatred because i always imagine “they” (i.e; maybe some right-winger hate group) are out to get me; so some of my irrational hatred springs-forth from this fear.
What am I saying? Is my image here of a hate-filled sad dude or what?
I’ll repost a comment I found on another Chinese BBS I frequent-
“Yeah, whatever. I’m still waiting for Final Destination 4 and Transformers 2.”
I am FRENCH living in CHINA, I will go and see the movie tomorrow evening.
I have NO anger against GERMANS for what the Nazis did during the second world war. Wars are horrible but we must not forget the difference between a government and its people. So I think Chinese people should not hate the Japanese.
We must build a peaceful world and it takes courage, compassion and understanding.
I agree. However, getting many Chinese people to stop hating the Japanese will be quite the challenge when those same people hate the French for such “important” things as letting a Tibetan man wrestle with a Chinese handicapped Olympian or allowing auctions of Chinese antiquities. When people have irrational or extremist views on petty current events that allow them to imagine all French people as evil China hating frog monsters it will be impossible to disuade them from viewing all Japanese as baby eating, women defiling, city destroying embodiments of some sort of Tojo-headed Godzilla creature.
Godzilla in Chinese should be translated as “日本鬼子”! That would be funny.
yeahh.. this retarded bitch should just call chinese PLA oficers to defend ther in the forign cuntry!
Is it time to let past be the past. I have investigated Nanjing 1935-1945 in detail and most is too horrible ever see or try understand. Many things is so horrible that a man or woman need be protected see that humans can do such things. It is time let past be past. Dig in it to make a commercial income movie is disgusting. I just want all world to watch out, never degrade humanity so such levels again. Peace for
Nanjing.
First, I must say that I have not seen this movie yet, but I have a couple of questions; How can China claim to want peace and then produce a movie like this that will greatly escalate the hatred towards the Japanese, and though brutally horrible as the “Rape of Nan Jing” was how does a movie of this graphic nature serve to benifit the Chinese people today?
John,
I don’t see this film as one that seeks to incite hatred toward the Japanese. Instead, Nanjing, Nanjing seems more comparable to movies about the Holocaust, where the dead are remembered and evil can be recaptured for those who have forgotten. I think Chinese deserve to have their voices heard, not only about the Rape of Nanjing but also other great atrocities of the 20th century.
If it was really about the dead, the poster wouldn’t be a line of soldiers but would show mostly civilians since they were the vast majority of casualties. The film makers only want it to be a war movie. This is blatant commercialization and profit.
i want to make another documentary film, talk about some of the individual Japanese try to help the Chinese and against WW2.
Oh shit, where is my sponsor….
While I certainly do not agree with some of the extreme anti-Japanese feelings out there in China, hearing it from people completely uninvolved is a bit of a joke.
Those who DARE to say Nanjing, Nanjing is fiction, what the f*** do you know? I grew up in Nanjing, went to the memorial building every year, saw all the bones and photos, read John Rabe’s diaries, and talked to grannies who would break down in tears and curse like sailors if you all but mention “Japanese”. And guess what, here are people trying to tell me it’s fiction.
I also have parents who were born during the three years famine, grew up malnourished (but for sure alive) who were teenagers during the cultural revolution, and some how, there are people think that they know better about how many people died during the GLF and CR.
Seriously, go pick a fight elsewhere. Go tell the Jews to stop breaking out in a “You are anti-Semitic” frenzy whenever someone blames them for Gaza, how about that?
We Chinese people have a right to be nationalistic, get it? While I personally have forgiven Japanese and do like the Japanese people, a lot of Chinese people never will. No one has the right to make them change their minds.
Finally, China is not exactly invading Japan, bombing it, and sealing it off with a giant fence, is it? So why the prudishness about some cussing from people on the internet? What, you never heard Americans say “let’s nuke all chinks”? Seriously, go pick your fight elsewhere—-Israel is still having a lock down over Palestine the last time I checked, and China and Japan are still business partners.
No, I never have heard an American say “Nuke all chinks”, and if I did hear one say it, I would ask them what the hell is wrong with them.
actually depends where on the internet you go, that comment is actual quite common. People tend to say things on the internet that’s not normally express in real life. (though Russia is still the country those particular Americans want to nuke, followed closely by France. Sometimes California (and the occasional Texas) get nuked as well.)
I have a bone to pick. It’s massively annoying when you say “We Chinese” like that. I don’t feel like being represented by someone like you. Patriotic, yes. Nationalistic, don’t think so. They’re different, and while I support China it shouldn’t be at the expense of others.
And another thing. Who’s saying it’s fiction? What people *are* saying is that it might be time to move on. Which I agree with. It’s tiring to see war drama after war drama on TV.
Uh, did my previous post totally go over your head? No one is saying that it is fiction. I never said that. Also, I haven’t read any posts that says that. No one is denying that it happened. At least, im not.
What do you mean by completely uninvolved? Did you fight in Nanjing personally? What about the many chinese that never lived in Nanjing. Are they uninvolved? Wait, making them chinese means they were closely involved? Im not sure what you are trying to say?
I too have chinese relatives and friends that grew up in China during difficult periods. And your point is?
You have the right to be nationalistic? Sure, I also have the right to appreciate my country for reasons other than blind nationalism and hatred of others. I think the ladder is better than the former. In fact, too much nationalism is harmful, because it blinds people. I would like to support my country for reasons other than the fact that I was born there.
Your right, no one should “make” people change their minds. I hope that chinese people are smart enough to do that themselves. Racism is wrong. Hatred is wrong. Racism and Hatred is what allow soldiers to rape and kill others. If you feel that people are justified in hating others. Then, those people are no different from the ones that hurt them.
Lay off the “we chinese.” You dont speak for all chinese people. Although you think you may.
Lastly, relax dude… or dudette
As I said, I liked the movie. But, I don’t like what some think this movie justifies…
I too have never heard a rational american say, “nuke all chinks.” Keyword: rational.
I think there are crazy people in every country. But, hatred in any form is irrational. Be it history or whatever, there is no justification.
Looks good. I’ll definitely try and get a copy.
Will be better than those crap “Americanzz are heroes, we wonn WW2!!!!11!!” films I’ll tell you that much.
I am not Chinese but I read a book about Nanjing massacre. It was heart-breaking, unbelievable, and so painful to learn about it. It’s a shame that the Japanese fabricate this part of the history and teach their children that things like Nanjing Massacre have never occurred. It is so sad that the Japanese government still denies their horrendous war crimes committed in China, Korea and other Asian countries.
try to find the book about Dshungars. it will beat your feelings by tousands point of chinese cruelty. not to tell you what Chian Kai Shek and Mao did to other countries around China. much funier than this Hanking crap. happy yellow master race soldiers sending fresh livers and hearts to gread comrade Mao..
seriously, where do you hear that the mainstreamm Japanese deny atrocities committed in China and elsewhere?
And which Japanese textbook(s) are you talking about?
If there’s something wrong with the textbooks, it is that the aim of education in Japan is to memorise key dates. Also, e.g. world/Japan history may cover…well the world/Japan. So by virtue of the limited page numbers available, reference to the war and its specific incidents would be limited.
it would be more strange to have 50% (or whatever) of the textbook that supposedly covers world or japanese history to dwell on 1937-45 woulldn’t it?
(oh, perhaps i’m talking about the chinese textbook..).
About 7yrs ago, I had a study session with my friends (all Japanese, mid-20’s at the time..). We would meet up regularly, with one or two presenting various topics (often work related but not all the time) to expand our horizon, etc.
Perhaps 5-15 of us would gather. Most from uni such as Todai, Keio, Waseda.
The presenter of one session talked about the Nanjing massacare, concluding that it didn’t happen.
In essence, he was pitied for his lack of intelligence and knowledge by the others (perhaps elitist but the presenter was from a second-tier uni).
To note, a few of my friends are right-leaning, who like to go to Yasukuni and also to the imperial palace in the new year
to see the emperor from afar. In addition, they want to get rid of Article 9 to become a ‘normal’ country.
But even these guys said the event happened and to deny it is simply crazy. What could be disputed would be the about how the event may be portrayed (not just number but also about how the soldiers may be portrayed – e.g. the leaders wanted the massacare but the soldiers didn’t – fits too neatly with the CCP’s current position don’t you think?), etc.
And John Dower’s book Embracing Defeat mentions that the Japanese people when hearing what happened in Nanjing during the Tokyo trials were shocked and horrified the armies could have done such a thing.
So, perhaps the people didn’t know during the war what had been happening – newspapers were censored and would often only have success stories…come to think of it, a bit like the China Daily today.. – but many heard about it and were horrified.
i must see this film. but as i said elsewhere, it is just a film. it may portray a truth but it is unlikely to THE truth.
Saw the movie this past Tuesday. I’m glad it wasn’t a propaganda piece and overall thought it was very well done. For those interested, more of my thoughts on Nanjing! Nanjing! over at CNR. I really recommend people to go watch it. It’d be interesting to see how people of different backgrounds react to it. I’ve been asking around and have gotten a lot of interesting responses from the locals that I admit I didn’t really expect. I’ll probably write about it later.
there are some really interesting issues around this whole thing.
using nanjing to bitch about modern-day china is a p-h-e-n-o-m-e-n-o-n. i really want to do it too. cos, i do see china as quite a murderous entity: the air pollution wipes out 300k to 600k people in china every year. but theyre revelling in the shit, as an ‘inevitable’ ‘part’ ‘of’ ‘modernization.’ and cos it’s a necessary byproduct of consumerism, and who in their right mind would fault that… ok, second point on china being murderous: young chinese are the new japanese. because they fail to identify with the nation across the ditch as fully and equally human. chinese often tell me when discussing this that they dont hate japanese, but… the truth is, their image of japs is pretty hackeyed, and not very warm, or informed. i do fear the rising tide of anti-japanism. it is inexcusable, and very ignorant. piggish. the self righteousness imbued, its really scary.
HOWEVER, i strongly want to encourage everyone hating on china to please consider nanjing in its own right. please meditate on the deaths of all those people. it DID happen to china, but it first happened to those hundreds of thousands of dead, and to the tens of thousands of families who lost loved ones. it’s a sacred thing and we need to honour it with our silence. not that we should shut up about it, but that we consider it quietly from time to time, as its own thing. the massacre is a very important part of modern day china, but modern day china has nothing to do with the massacre, if you get what i mean.
@vam
Whatever.. just bow and lick the shoes of yellow master race al. not that everyone is happy and live free in PRC. well.. aside that time of reeducation, propaganda class and comunity meeting. ohh yeahh dont forget that funy time when you dad is going to feed the cheeps through 3 paramillitary police cordons.
All heil our yellow master race!
Ps.. dont translate this into forigners languages, or they will take our grany back to police again..
what would be cool is a comparative historiography of the massacre. cos, people say lots about what japanese are or arent thinking/teaching/writing/saying, but there’s alot of ignorance…
What should we do as a chinese? What should we do as a chinese man? …
‘The City of Life and Death’is awfully re-creation of the brutality of the Japanese. Do not pretend that we do not have hatred of the Japanese militia personnel, be they the foot soldiers, or the airmen, or the sailors.To use brute force to shake the will of the Chinese Government as well as the frontline soldiers is common in war but of such a horrifying way is really unusual and reflect the inner psyche of the Japanese, They want to conquer and excel….just like what they continue to do in the SOuthern Ocean to kill whales, which is totally illegal and ruthless but continue to be repeated by the Japanese. Do you still believe we should forgive and forget….
Now the thing about your comment is that it is built on stereotypes. Forgive? Maybe, depends on the individual person. If that guy is a denying scum, he should be beaten but there are good people too. As for whaling, it is out of topic, as whaling and Nanjing has nothing to do with each other. Besides, as for China, I find myself defending the fact that all Chinese are not dog eating barbarian “chinks” from racist westerners. Connection to Tibet? some people state that Chinese are brutal in Tibet because they eat dogs which is immoral. No connection whatsoever. It is reasonable to hate the military personnel but many people now have no direct responsibilities for the brutality of the past.
If anyone says that Whaling and Naning massacre are separated, I guess you do not respect life on earth. To inflict pain to other living creatures for the sake of what they call “Scientific Research” is just like what they said in WWII… We are here to create a “Prosperity Circle” for your own good. So be conquered and be killed and this logic lingers till now. and if you see how the Japanese fishermen dolphins in Taiji, I would suggest you take a look of the spawn of blood in the sea….The insanity goes on……
In that retrospect I agree, life is precious. I apologize if I came off wrong. But the problem I am mentioning is that Nanjing Massacre is a human killing human problem, not a human killing animal problem. Now the latter gains little to no publicity because it happens everywhere. Like I said, if I wished to engage in a tit for tat argument, I can ask you to view a youtube video showing “Chinese farming and killing thousands of dogs for consumption.” But I am against such linkings of the tibetan scenario and dog consumption because they make no sense. In my opinion, it is just piling irrelevant topics on the primary topic to make a nation and its citizen look bad. Yah, I do not condone whaling, but I don’t think whaling should be an issue when looking at the picture of World War atrocities. I don’t understand how one can say can safely conclude that a nationality is this and that because of this event and so forth. Generalizing and assuming is usually the first mistakes which lead to the horrors of Nanjing and Holocaust.
Something is linking Chinese eating dogs and the Tibetian unrest to Nanjing Massacre. Does anyone want to make comment on that ?? For me, how can we do so when cruety of killing children and babies and their mothers in open streets in broad daylight reigned in Nanjing ? Even not a CHinese, I feel shame and such could be compared to the Holocaust in Europe during WWII…..IS it a shame
the whaling thing does have an interesting link to the nanjing massacre in that the majority of japanese don’t support it. but they get blamed for it cos of government decisionmakers…
I’ve seen that movie yesterday and i find it’s really good movie, it’s not only show what Japanese soldiers did to Nanjing people,but also show same Japanese soldiers feeling, some soldiers still have feeling, still have love and care, which reflect that we should not forget the history but not to hate Japanese or need to make revenge, we need to know the tragedy and let the Governors not to do the same things, coz no one will gain and no one win ….at the war..those Japanese and Chinese only get tear and fear…all lost.
Viewpoint from an American:
This movie is really an epic.From a film making point of view it was an amazing achievement. The images ,however, are very difficult to watch and make almost everyone who sees it in some way less innocent.
I don’t belive the filmaker was to nice on the Japanese, there was only one who seemed to have a soul. The majority were mindless barbarians, which is usually the case in such artocities. On the drum scene , he showed their almost demonic organziational skills and mad fever.
Don’t lose the main point at the end…which is the little boy is still alive today….which shows the spirit of the people lived on. You cannot kill the patriotism and sprit of the people. Nanjing is still there! The Japanese Imperial government is long gone.
The Japanese suffered under atomic bombs which is what they deserved. This is all history now, lets move forward and create a better planet for all.
As a chinese person myself, I feel that Chinese are wasting time by still hating japanese. Our government supports horrible governments in Burma and Tibet.
It’s really two faced to say we hate Japanese people for what they have done to us. I pray for those who we lost during the war. However I still pray for those living under bad regimes in Burma and Tibet. Chinese people wake up.
Ok, I have just seen this movie. I was planning a lengthy hateful reply to the animal Japanese. I am a Scandinavian, China know it as “North Europe” What I need to say today is that the director made a very gentle movie. I hope it will be shown in fucking Japan. It is the best of 2009 today and maybe ever. The point is gently served: Meaningless killings, what system make so animals? It could be easy you and me be the animals. Now stop and think and never forget Nanjing! Nanjing!
I’ll watch the movie because I’ve heard a lot of good things about it. I think it’s important to keep these events in history alive. However, I’m not quite sure that this type of film is necessarily good for CN ppl because most of their minds are already so clouded by anti-JP rhetoric. The ppl in charge of the system have done a good job of creating an enemy to distract ppl from more important issues. In the end, it’s all about the struggle to be No. 1 in the region. CN is trying to dethrone JP. They can’t have CN people buying JP products if they want to be No. 1. The other problem is, how do you get CN ppl to quit pirating everything? Why can’t CN come out with products like JP that everyone in the world wants to buy? There isn’t too much new and original stuff coming out of CN these days. Even this type of film is pretty played out if you ask me. It seems like movies on the Nanjing Massacre come out every year.
Last night I watched online a movie entitled “Nanjing! Nanjing!” that was directed by LU Chuan. What I viewed is a group of despicable people from Nanjing who believed that even a good death is not like a wretched existence when facing the cruel Japanese invaders. On seeing such people struggled to drag out an ignoble existence and lived dog lives even though to live is inferior to die, one of Japanese military officers, Kadokawa, was unable to stand such living as a torture, resolutely killed himself for those mangy dogs after signing, “It’s harder to live than to die.” His suicide set off this tragic Nanjing massacre that left the Chinese whole nation a forever ignominious and pitiful brand mark. When a nationality that covets life and fears death meets another external nationality that would rather die than surrender, a conclusion regarding the victory and defeat can already be reached. Somebody may say that those bowed to seek a humble living mostly are the weaponless proletariat populace and they did not have the resistance ability. When the US military attacked the Ryukyu Islands and the Japanese native place, how about the similarly weaponless Japanese ordinary people, even the women and children, all united together, shared a common hatred, and came out into the open to fight with American invaders, a fight in which Japanese perished with the enemy troop till their strength using up. To exempt from an insult, the defeated Japanese did not live dishonorably but rather die honorably. Let alone a flood of Chinese coward servicemen laid down their weapons of their own accord in order to have a disparage living before the fall of the Nanjing city to the enemy, ending up entirely the merciless slaughter on those surrendered. Haruki Murakami has a famous saying, “The death is a part of living.” Speaking of the universe, the human being just likes an insignificant drop in the ocean, not worthy of any mentioning, so why did Chinese people fear death? Although Japanese surrendered reluctantly under the atomic bombs’ might, why have they still looked down upon Chinese people till now? According to Japanese disposition, if some day those brave and dauntless Chinese who would be able to return an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, also making an extremely tragic Tokyo slaughter, the Japanese would hold in high esteem to them. Look at how Japanese have flattered Americans in a servile attitude since Japan became one of American colonies, you may understand this.
Apart from such national moral courage as no external differences, fearlessness to death, and unflinching spirit, Japanese national sense of responsibility is also extraordinary. Once a while I happened to witness a television news, one of Japanese firms produced a defect on its product line out of negligence, the president broke to tears and cried his heart out before audience, apologizing to some innocent victims. Those Chinese counterparts, on the contrary, illegally fabricated a myriad of fake and shoddy products but felt unscrupulously shameless. Should such similar goods appear in the Japanese market, then the chairman of the producer would go seppuku (this is one kind of cruel suicide that most Chinese do not have courage to implement anyway) to wipe out the disgrace on his concern, the so-called knowledge of the shame almost is tantamount to courage.
When did the Chinese start to worship foreign countries with powers? Is it the day when the country was extinguished by the Mongolian cavalries, or the day when it was conquered by Anglo-Saxons with their firm battleship and violent cannon? The Chinese number one slut – Empress Dowager Cixi – once said in an outrageously opprobrious way, “China should try to win the favor of the powerful countries based on its capabilities and resources.” Today, Chinese sluts continue their previous generation’s shame, a part of whom, like an elegantly and gorgeously dazzling fireworks delimiting China starry sky to scatter in Japanese prefectures, embarking on there as a fad that has been on the rise, either become prostitutes or in a haste, marry some Japanese countryside bumpkins or illiterate and experience suffering the humiliation. Once I read an excerpt from a book written by one of such women, talking that she was frequently being scolded without any complaint by her Japanese husband, “Bitch! I save you from the China’s sea of bitterness; otherwise, how can you have such a dignity life today?” while the hair being seized and the head punched bang against the wall, badly beaten till the blood breading over the face. Is it despicable? Pitiful! The others remain domestic serve the Japanese invaders’ posterity free of charge. Damn it! Several years ago I found at a supermarket in Madrid where those inexpensive made-in-China were put at the corner of the store on sale, the customers can pick up a lot of the cheapest gadget with some pennies. Thomas Paine said: “What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly.” Even so, at least they had a price. However, those disgusting women serve themselves pricelessly. That is really disgraceful, you know. Facing these, I have emotionally shocked.
Attached herewith is a septasyllabic regulated verse.
Untitled – - The Feeling after the View of the Movie “Nanjing! Nanjing!”
The Chinese people from postwar almost forget Japanese invasion,
I regret to be a Chinese after I gave a bird’s eye view of Japan.
The dragon’s descendants are really “intelligent”,
They only know how to wage civil wars and kill each other quite often.
The century dawn frequently summons,
Eastern sleeping lion still is sluggish.
May I ask those Chinese piggies,
When can you destroy the evil Japan?
“When can you destroy the evil Japan?” Can we wait till the day when the Sun rises from the West? Perhaps we do not have a chance to see this day fully with pride and joyfulness. Only that day can the whole Chinese nation truly stands up; otherwise, what a shame to appear among the nationalities in the world?
Also, another pentasyllabic regulated verse is attached.
Hatred of the Perished Country
The hatred of the perished country has not melt,
But China already degenerated.
Embark on Japan by hook or by crook out of the mercenary spirit,
And pursue Japanese goods wholeheartedly.
Absurdly request Japanese to introspect what they did in the past to Chinese people,
But suffer reviling from them.
If one day on which Japan would wage another war against China,
I don’t know which side should be blamed.
Simply put, this hatred will last forever!
When is the movie about Tianamen 1989 coming out??
maybe there will be a Taiwanese film about Tianamen. Communists will kill the director if he is mainland chinese.
may those perished souls of The Republic of China sleep in peace.