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> <channel><title>Comments on: Donating Blood in China Experiences &amp; Opinions</title> <atom:link href="http://www.chinasmack.com/stories/donating-blood-in-china-experiences-opinions/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.chinasmack.com/stories/donating-blood-in-china-experiences-opinions/</link> <description>Hot internet stories, pictures, &#38; videos in China. What’s popular, scandalous, or shocking that have the Chinese talking.</description> <lastBuildDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 10:13:53 -0800</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: BuddyUK</title><link>http://www.chinasmack.com/stories/donating-blood-in-china-experiences-opinions/#comment-9395</link> <dc:creator>BuddyUK</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 15:49:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.chinasmack.com/?p=1733#comment-9395</guid> <description>A pint? that&#039;s nearly an armful! :D</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A pint? that&#8217;s nearly an armful! :D</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Migrant Worker Cannot Pay Hospital, Doctor Suffers &#124; chinaSMACK</title><link>http://www.chinasmack.com/stories/donating-blood-in-china-experiences-opinions/#comment-9378</link> <dc:creator>Migrant Worker Cannot Pay Hospital, Doctor Suffers &#124; chinaSMACK</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 12:59:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.chinasmack.com/?p=1733#comment-9378</guid> <description>[...] Donating Blood in China Experiences &amp; Opinions [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Donating Blood in China Experiences &amp; Opinions [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: GAC</title><link>http://www.chinasmack.com/stories/donating-blood-in-china-experiences-opinions/#comment-7522</link> <dc:creator>GAC</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 19:00:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.chinasmack.com/?p=1733#comment-7522</guid> <description>@KnowledgableI see nothing wrong with giving away my biological materials, especially when I&#039;m not familiar with any legal means of selling them (and I&#039;m not going to trust my body to the black market).  Perhaps there is a way for blood, I&#039;ll have to take a look at that, but I know of no legal means of selling organs -- and whether me (or my family, rather) would get compensation or not, I would never remove the &quot;donor&quot; designation from my driver&#039;s license.  I feel very strongly about this mainly because my father&#039;s life was greatly improved and extended by a heart transplant.The main difference is that I don&#039;t consider these actions heroic.  Organ donation (after death) especially, as your only passing along some parts you no longer need.  Blood donation also can save lives with relatively little effort (the weakness afterward doesn&#039;t tend to bother me too much).  To me, it&#039;s not heroism -- it&#039;s my social responsibility (which is also why I absolutely refuse to take the free T-shirts that say &quot;I give blood, what do you do.&quot; -- I know plenty of people that go through a lot more than that to help other people.)(Small note: Has nothing at all to do with your argument whatsoever, but I find your use of &quot;give&quot; here interesting.  To me &quot;giving&quot;, when referring to biological products, would include &quot;selling&quot; as a subset -- especially when you add &quot;in any way, shape, or form&quot;, while giving it for free would be emphasized by &quot;giving away&quot; or &quot;donating&quot;.  I&#039;m curious as to where you&#039;re from.  Please don&#039;t take this as an insult -- I&#039;m not denigrating your usage, I&#039;m a linguistics geek and tend to find such differences interesting.)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Knowledgable</p><p>I see nothing wrong with giving away my biological materials, especially when I&#8217;m not familiar with any legal means of selling them (and I&#8217;m not going to trust my body to the black market).  Perhaps there is a way for blood, I&#8217;ll have to take a look at that, but I know of no legal means of selling organs &#8212; and whether me (or my family, rather) would get compensation or not, I would never remove the &#8220;donor&#8221; designation from my driver&#8217;s license.  I feel very strongly about this mainly because my father&#8217;s life was greatly improved and extended by a heart transplant.</p><p>The main difference is that I don&#8217;t consider these actions heroic.  Organ donation (after death) especially, as your only passing along some parts you no longer need.  Blood donation also can save lives with relatively little effort (the weakness afterward doesn&#8217;t tend to bother me too much).  To me, it&#8217;s not heroism &#8212; it&#8217;s my social responsibility (which is also why I absolutely refuse to take the free T-shirts that say &#8220;I give blood, what do you do.&#8221; &#8212; I know plenty of people that go through a lot more than that to help other people.)</p><p>(Small note: Has nothing at all to do with your argument whatsoever, but I find your use of &#8220;give&#8221; here interesting.  To me &#8220;giving&#8221;, when referring to biological products, would include &#8220;selling&#8221; as a subset &#8212; especially when you add &#8220;in any way, shape, or form&#8221;, while giving it for free would be emphasized by &#8220;giving away&#8221; or &#8220;donating&#8221;.  I&#8217;m curious as to where you&#8217;re from.  Please don&#8217;t take this as an insult &#8212; I&#8217;m not denigrating your usage, I&#8217;m a linguistics geek and tend to find such differences interesting.)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Knowledgeable</title><link>http://www.chinasmack.com/stories/donating-blood-in-china-experiences-opinions/#comment-7459</link> <dc:creator>Knowledgeable</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 06:38:16 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.chinasmack.com/?p=1733#comment-7459</guid> <description>Giving blood in any way, shape or form is idiocy. I wonder if you all know that the Red Cross, that wonderful organizations, turns around and sells the blood you give for the same amount you would be paid if you went to a blood bank instead? Why exactly are you feeling altruistic, when all your actually doing is giving away something that a fat cat will pocket the money for. Either way someone will get your blood and be helped, wouldn&#039;t it make more sense that at least you get the money, instea dof some total stranger who effectively marketed to make you feel guilty about seling it, so they in turn could sell it instead?Peeople who give blood or any other biological product are some of the dumbest sheep on planet earth. People who want to feel a hero, and that of course, if your being paid in any way, that takes away the nobility. &quot;Here you go, take my blood, sell it instead of me selling it, and keep the money.&quot; That makes no sense, your getting cheated, and ther Red Cross continues to operate it&#039;s little middle man business.Your a hero either way, giving blood is painful, it takes time, and it weakens you for a short period, making you more susceptible to common colds and the flu. Why should you not be paid, the person you&quot;donated&quot; your blood to is. Duh.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Giving blood in any way, shape or form is idiocy. I wonder if you all know that the Red Cross, that wonderful organizations, turns around and sells the blood you give for the same amount you would be paid if you went to a blood bank instead? Why exactly are you feeling altruistic, when all your actually doing is giving away something that a fat cat will pocket the money for. Either way someone will get your blood and be helped, wouldn&#8217;t it make more sense that at least you get the money, instea dof some total stranger who effectively marketed to make you feel guilty about seling it, so they in turn could sell it instead?</p><p>Peeople who give blood or any other biological product are some of the dumbest sheep on planet earth. People who want to feel a hero, and that of course, if your being paid in any way, that takes away the nobility. &#8220;Here you go, take my blood, sell it instead of me selling it, and keep the money.&#8221; That makes no sense, your getting cheated, and ther Red Cross continues to operate it&#8217;s little middle man business.</p><p>Your a hero either way, giving blood is painful, it takes time, and it weakens you for a short period, making you more susceptible to common colds and the flu. Why should you not be paid, the person you&#8221;donated&#8221; your blood to is. Duh.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: jayman</title><link>http://www.chinasmack.com/stories/donating-blood-in-china-experiences-opinions/#comment-4396</link> <dc:creator>jayman</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:13:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.chinasmack.com/?p=1733#comment-4396</guid> <description>I realize this is about donating in China, but lots of people seem curious about it, so here&#039;s the American experience in a nutshell. Disclaimer: I&#039;m not a doctor, but as O-, ~200cm ~100kg, I see them all the time.There are four parts to whole blood: platelets, plasma, red blood cells (rbc), and white blood cells (wbc).In the United States... California specifically (not where I live, just happens to be the most expensive) hospitals are charged a little over $200 US (~1400 yuan) for each unit (450cc) of whole blood, which covers the costs of collecting, testing, transporting, and storing it. Blood is a not-for-profit enterprise here which means patients are charged the same price hospitals pay, sometimes even less.In the US, you do not get paid to donate, although some hospitals offer up to $35 US (~240 yuan) per pint of plasma for medical testing and manufacturing purposes. (Plasma donation is where they put two needles in you and return the solids back into your body.) If the donor is paid, the blood products may not be used for human transfusions. (This law was enacted in the 1970s, when it was discovered that for some reason paid &#039;donors&#039; (is that possible?) where up to 3 times more likely to carry STDs than unpaid donors.) Sometimes certain companies will partner with the Red Cross to offer incentives like a free scoop of ice cream or something. This both rewards people for donating and drives business for the company.There are differing requirements as to how often you may donate in the US. Platelets can be collected again after as little as 72 hours, but not more than 24x/year. Plasma can be taken every 48 hours, but not more than 12x/year. White blood cells are generally discarded, and are usually not collected separately while whole blood is once every 56 days.Regardless of locality, the collection center only takes a drop of blood for immediate testing, which confirms your blood count is high enough to successfully donate. &lt;i&gt;(This is most likely the test skipped by LZ&#039;s doctor, and it is not performed again in the lab so there is no chance for duplication (ie-skipping it because it was already done). While it could have been potentially dangerous for the LZ had his blood count been low, it is not dangerous to recipients of his blood.)&lt;/i&gt; Afterwards your blood is subjected to no less than 9 different tests for things like blood type, HIV and Hep C. The FDA is considering mandating an additional test for Chagas disease but that remains undetermined as of now. Your blood may also be used for other experiments unless you specifically deny permission. Finally, a portion of the leukocytes (white blood cells) are removed to reduce the risk of an adverse immune reaction.All test results are linked to a particular batch of blood through both barcode (computer) and paper (hand written) records. Positive indicators for certain contagious diseases must be reported to the health department and/or military commanders, as required by law. All other results are kept confidential.Supplies used for collection are &lt;i&gt;always&lt;/i&gt; brand new. The packages are opened in front of the patient and then thrown away immediately after it is completed. It takes about ten minutes to draw down a pint of whole blood, about a half an hour for plasma.After you donate, you are held in a lounge for a few minutes where snacks and sugary drinks are available. Once enough time has passed for any ill effects to have become evident, you&#039;re free to go. If there were no problems, a few days after your first donation they mail you a Donor Card which lists your blood type. If the tests found a problem, they will call you to tell you about it and recommend places for treatment.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize this is about donating in China, but lots of people seem curious about it, so here&#8217;s the American experience in a nutshell. Disclaimer: I&#8217;m not a doctor, but as O-, ~200cm ~100kg, I see them all the time.</p><p>There are four parts to whole blood: platelets, plasma, red blood cells (rbc), and white blood cells (wbc).</p><p>In the United States&#8230; California specifically (not where I live, just happens to be the most expensive) hospitals are charged a little over $200 US (~1400 yuan) for each unit (450cc) of whole blood, which covers the costs of collecting, testing, transporting, and storing it. Blood is a not-for-profit enterprise here which means patients are charged the same price hospitals pay, sometimes even less.</p><p>In the US, you do not get paid to donate, although some hospitals offer up to $35 US (~240 yuan) per pint of plasma for medical testing and manufacturing purposes. (Plasma donation is where they put two needles in you and return the solids back into your body.) If the donor is paid, the blood products may not be used for human transfusions. (This law was enacted in the 1970s, when it was discovered that for some reason paid &#8216;donors&#8217; (is that possible?) where up to 3 times more likely to carry STDs than unpaid donors.) Sometimes certain companies will partner with the Red Cross to offer incentives like a free scoop of ice cream or something. This both rewards people for donating and drives business for the company.</p><p>There are differing requirements as to how often you may donate in the US. Platelets can be collected again after as little as 72 hours, but not more than 24x/year. Plasma can be taken every 48 hours, but not more than 12x/year. White blood cells are generally discarded, and are usually not collected separately while whole blood is once every 56 days.</p><p>Regardless of locality, the collection center only takes a drop of blood for immediate testing, which confirms your blood count is high enough to successfully donate. <i>(This is most likely the test skipped by LZ&#8217;s doctor, and it is not performed again in the lab so there is no chance for duplication (ie-skipping it because it was already done). While it could have been potentially dangerous for the LZ had his blood count been low, it is not dangerous to recipients of his blood.)</i> Afterwards your blood is subjected to no less than 9 different tests for things like blood type, HIV and Hep C. The FDA is considering mandating an additional test for Chagas disease but that remains undetermined as of now. Your blood may also be used for other experiments unless you specifically deny permission. Finally, a portion of the leukocytes (white blood cells) are removed to reduce the risk of an adverse immune reaction.</p><p>All test results are linked to a particular batch of blood through both barcode (computer) and paper (hand written) records. Positive indicators for certain contagious diseases must be reported to the health department and/or military commanders, as required by law. All other results are kept confidential.</p><p>Supplies used for collection are <i>always</i> brand new. The packages are opened in front of the patient and then thrown away immediately after it is completed. It takes about ten minutes to draw down a pint of whole blood, about a half an hour for plasma.</p><p>After you donate, you are held in a lounge for a few minutes where snacks and sugary drinks are available. Once enough time has passed for any ill effects to have become evident, you&#8217;re free to go. If there were no problems, a few days after your first donation they mail you a Donor Card which lists your blood type. If the tests found a problem, they will call you to tell you about it and recommend places for treatment.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Therealtom</title><link>http://www.chinasmack.com/stories/donating-blood-in-china-experiences-opinions/#comment-3597</link> <dc:creator>Therealtom</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:20:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.chinasmack.com/?p=1733#comment-3597</guid> <description>I was a regular donor for years back home, always understood it to be a pint (568ml).And , no, going to the pub straight after doesnt even get u drunk quicker..........What this thread best shows is the selfish mercenary nature of the chinese. Blood-suckers rather than donors. The NHS makes a tidy profit from the EXCESS of FREE donations it gets and this helps improve its service.The selfish, miserly, greedy chinese could learn a thing or two about having a civic soceity and building a better country.I would not trust their competence here, which is a shame as I&#039;m O-.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was a regular donor for years back home, always understood it to be a pint (568ml).</p><p>And , no, going to the pub straight after doesnt even get u drunk quicker&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p><p>What this thread best shows is the selfish mercenary nature of the chinese. Blood-suckers rather than donors. The NHS makes a tidy profit from the EXCESS of FREE donations it gets and this helps improve its service.</p><p>The selfish, miserly, greedy chinese could learn a thing or two about having a civic soceity and building a better country.</p><p>I would not trust their competence here, which is a shame as I&#8217;m O-.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Fuller</title><link>http://www.chinasmack.com/stories/donating-blood-in-china-experiences-opinions/#comment-2550</link> <dc:creator>Fuller</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 05:49:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.chinasmack.com/?p=1733#comment-2550</guid> <description>@ Rick
Sorry for taking so long - been too busy!
Really?  I disagree.  I don&#039;t think you can so easily separate people just by job status.
Unless you are suggesting that somehow because the higher level jobs involve more education, so the people are more likely to be more responsible.
Not to stick words in your mouth, but since I probably won&#039;t be on here again for 2 weeks, let&#039;s explore that one.
From what I&#039;ve read about Chinese universities (on this excellent website - the story about &quot;pouring shit into student&#039;s minds&quot;) I think that just because they&#039;ve had the opportunity at higher education doesn&#039;t mean they are necessarily more educated or more willing or able to be more responsible for doing their jobs properly.
And besides, I&#039;m not just talking about migrant workers.  I&#039;m talking about professional people and people that are in charge of shifts of migrant workers (but not migrant workers themselves).
Again, this is a necessary step in China&#039;s development.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Rick<br
/> Sorry for taking so long &#8211; been too busy!<br
/> Really?  I disagree.  I don&#8217;t think you can so easily separate people just by job status.<br
/> Unless you are suggesting that somehow because the higher level jobs involve more education, so the people are more likely to be more responsible.<br
/> Not to stick words in your mouth, but since I probably won&#8217;t be on here again for 2 weeks, let&#8217;s explore that one.<br
/> From what I&#8217;ve read about Chinese universities (on this excellent website &#8211; the story about &#8220;pouring shit into student&#8217;s minds&#8221;) I think that just because they&#8217;ve had the opportunity at higher education doesn&#8217;t mean they are necessarily more educated or more willing or able to be more responsible for doing their jobs properly.<br
/> And besides, I&#8217;m not just talking about migrant workers.  I&#8217;m talking about professional people and people that are in charge of shifts of migrant workers (but not migrant workers themselves).<br
/> Again, this is a necessary step in China&#8217;s development.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Hawaiian-chinese</title><link>http://www.chinasmack.com/stories/donating-blood-in-china-experiences-opinions/#comment-2122</link> <dc:creator>Hawaiian-chinese</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:38:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.chinasmack.com/?p=1733#comment-2122</guid> <description>info from Hawaii bloodbank. 1 pint 	= 568.261 cc
5. How much blood is taken?A skilled, specially trained technician will draw one pint.http://www.bbh.org/donating/faq.htm</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>info from Hawaii bloodbank. 1 pint 	= 568.261 cc<br
/> 5. How much blood is taken?</p><p>A skilled, specially trained technician will draw one pint.</p><p><a
href="http://www.bbh.org/donating/faq.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbh.org/donating/faq.htm</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Rick in China</title><link>http://www.chinasmack.com/stories/donating-blood-in-china-experiences-opinions/#comment-2022</link> <dc:creator>Rick in China</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 07:22:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.chinasmack.com/?p=1733#comment-2022</guid> <description>@Fuller
Comparing a doctor or lab technician to the information you get from people who run factories about their line-working migrants laborers isn&#039;t a valid comparison.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Fuller<br
/> Comparing a doctor or lab technician to the information you get from people who run factories about their line-working migrants laborers isn&#8217;t a valid comparison.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jie</title><link>http://www.chinasmack.com/stories/donating-blood-in-china-experiences-opinions/#comment-2013</link> <dc:creator>Jie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 04:55:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.chinasmack.com/?p=1733#comment-2013</guid> <description>The problem here in which people have so many issues over 200cc or 400cc stems from some deep-root Chinese traditional medical concept: blood is a precious precious component of your body.  You see people have poultry blood or pig blood soup in China, and take deer blood, tiger blood, etc as traditional medicine.  There is long stigma over blood donation.  My mom does not allow me to donate blood at all, as she thinks that would hurt my body.  I did it in Singapore and US anyways, so that she did not know about it and would not worry for my health.  It is a lot of progress here that we see people volunteer to donate blood, but the stigma still lives and most donors have some kind of personal bottom line that beyond which they would not be willing to donate any more.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem here in which people have so many issues over 200cc or 400cc stems from some deep-root Chinese traditional medical concept: blood is a precious precious component of your body.  You see people have poultry blood or pig blood soup in China, and take deer blood, tiger blood, etc as traditional medicine.  There is long stigma over blood donation.  My mom does not allow me to donate blood at all, as she thinks that would hurt my body.  I did it in Singapore and US anyways, so that she did not know about it and would not worry for my health.  It is a lot of progress here that we see people volunteer to donate blood, but the stigma still lives and most donors have some kind of personal bottom line that beyond which they would not be willing to donate any more.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss><!--
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