From Sina:
Houses are more dependable than men, testimony of the house-slave lifestyle of a MM born in 1984
After seeing so many people’s ordinary lives, no matter if they are better or if they are poor like me, they are all blessed and happy. Awhile ago, my boyfriend and I broke up, so now I have once again returned to the hard life like when I first began working. Paying for a small house by myself, I often lose sleep because of the pressure, both hating yet also being satisfied [with this situation], hate because I have given up a lot for this house, living a life that is neither alive nor dead, no longer going out with friends to karaoke or have fun in order to pay the mortgage, very rarely going out shopping in order to pay the mortgage (only going out when household necessities have been used up). Yet while I am in pain, I am also happy, once inadvertently hearing something like this: “An immature man will die for his ideals, while a mature man will suffer for his ideals!” I believe this is applicable to women as well, that I can still live and live happily after leaving that man!
First let me introduce myself, I am from the countryside, my family was poor so I never went to university, only vocational school. Half a year before finishing vocational school, I came out to work, and there has not been much glory/good things in my life, everything I see being the more gloomy side, looked down upon when I was in school by schoolmates because I was poor, and even the good friends you think you can trust can betray you. To this day, thinking of those times I cannot help feeling tears well up in my eyes. That year, my family really could not provide any money, my father asked me not to study anymore, and I really did not want to be like the other village girls who at 16-17 years old would go to the coastal cities to work, crying and kneeling before my father begging him to let me finish school. My mother cried and my father cried too, and in the end it was my paternal grandfather, whom I respect the most in my life, who stood out to make the decision to let me continue studying. All of this I told one of my friends and did not imagine she would talk about it openly at school. Sigh! My first job was sales office staff, and even though it was sitting inside an office there were still busy times and I would do everything, at night when loading cargo I would go help move cargo, 10-15kg of veterinarian products stop feeling heavy after moving them enough times, moving them until 1-2 in the morning but still going to work on time the next day. Though it was tiring, I was still very happy, because I can finally work. I got 45 yuan for my first month’s salary. Hehe, not even enough to go home with, the boss was embarrassed so he had me go to accounting to borrow 50 to go home.
I had ten schoolmates when I started school, but I was the only one to remain, and thinking about it now, I can only say that was my luck, all the hardship only making me stronger. Actually, had I not encountered my current company, I think I would have continued working at that company, because I am someone who does not like to change jobs often, having worked for six-seven years now and have only worked for these two companies. The boss of my current company helped me during my most difficult time, and while now it only looks like a very small help, when a person is in need of help most and not a single person helps you, his help was even more the big kindness that one can never forget in their lives. My boss is over 50-years-old, and is also a person I really respect and admire. Not long after he set up his company, I gave up my past job to come to the city I am in now. In a blink of an eye, it has been six years. From an unremarkable/unnoticed little company to now where it is still just a medium sized company, the sweat that has been exerted [to build up this company] has been profound for even me as an employee.
I have been talking about the past so far. I just wanted 1) to let everyone understand that it has not been easy for me getting to where I am, 2) vent a little some of the hardship that has been stewing within me. The house was purchased with a mortgage in 2006. At the time, houses and housing prices were all crazy, housing prices were skyrocketing, everything was snatched up, a complete frenzy. At that time, I had personally saved several tens of thousands kuai, my family contributed an additional 20,000 because their situation had become better, and with 70,000 kuai combined paid the downpayment to “snatch” the small house I currently have. A 62 square meter small two-bedroom house.
When I purchased the house, my boyfriend had said he would also contribute a little, but I disagreed, thinking it would be messy because we were not married and what if we break up later on. I didn’t imagine that my what if would actually come to pass. He said at the time that if I did not let him contribute to buying the house, he would contribute a little for decorating the house. I have always been a relatively independent person. Anything I can do by myself I will definitely not bother others to help because I cannot repay that person’s kindness. As the saying goes, when someone helps you a little, you should repaying their kindness with more, and I do not have the ability to repay people more.
Let me talk a little about my current situation. Purchasing a house and paying the loan has made it so I do not have much savings anymore. Including decorating the house, I am now heavily in debt. When decorating, my boyfriend contributed 20,000, and my parents gave 10,000. From the company I borrowed 30,000, and I thank my company for trusting me, but I have not told my coworkers that I have purchased a house, and the money I borrowed from the company I dare not mention, because even though I am a founding member of the company, I am afraid of affecting my coworkers’ moods. The money borrowed from the company is repaid with my year-end bonus.
Below I will talk a little about the boyfriend matter. Seeing so many posts where sisters’ boyfriends or husbands are all very good, I am also envious. I am not that lucky. I was with my boyfriend five years, and we almost always split the bill. How much income he has I do not know, but we split the rent and those things evenly. Perhaps it is because we have been together for too long, perhaps it is because I personally do not like to make myself up, perhaps it is because my love for him made me want to control him, perhaps it is because he simply never loved me. To now I have not yet understood [what happened], but he later left with another woman. As the guilty party, the 20,000 he contributed for decoration was forfeited. Ha, at that time I had even wanted to die, hatefully preferring for us to die together.
I do not know how I got through that time period, the three day vacation during the May 1 holiday, I stayed at home alone, not going out, only eating two meals, three days later leaving the house looking like a wandering soul/ghost. It was my parents and the house that helped me recover my senses. I often joke with my friends and schoolmates saying that paying for that house is just as difficult as raising a son. Every month you cannot break payment even if it means not eating and drinking. This house however is the most reliable/dependable. As long as I do not break payment every month, it will always belong to me! Hehe.
May this post resonate with the sisters on this BBS forum who say they want to buy a house even if it means borrowing from their credit cards. You are braver than me, as long as you can persevere on, life will repay you.
Comments from Sina:
原生泰:
I do not want to be a house-slave [slave to a house/mortgage]~~~!
cjr5521:
[I] very much admire lou zhu’s courage and independence! This is something that many people these days lack! [I] want to learn from you.
不知不觉夜已深:
Just today I was sitting with some female coworkers discussing this problem. It is very tiring/difficult for women who only depend on themselves, because in this world men are the strong and women are still the weak, so only by depending on men can we live more comfortably/relaxed! Why do we all search for Prince Charming? It is in order to live a happy life! A house is of course more dependable than a man, but a house cannot be a substitute for a man, so we diligently spending men’s money, whether boyfriend’s or husband’s, will give them a great sense of accomplishment! So those who want to move heaven and earth need to to make men willing or happy to let women spend money! Only this way can be a happy life for women! Since we are “the weak”, then we must learn how to appear weak. After all, who made our social role to be the weak!
1368229934:
You are truly a strong person…jia you…I admire your personality…
迷糊娃娃_咪兔:
Yes, there are still quite a few slaves to houses in this society.
nike板鞋:
Everyone has their own way of living, this society is a complex society.
wangxintree:
I really want to shake your hand, [because] we have the same fate, the same situation…
一个新新手:
Men and houses, if only one can be chosen, then choose a house.
从奴隶大将军:
The evolution from being a slave to a general, we cannot ignore the existence of the female sex’s charms. Hehe, however I would not marry you. Because you have a house!
蓝月当空:
Lou zhu, you are very strong, and actually I too am a person not willing to give up. Society today has too few good men, so us women must constantly improve/strengthen ourselves, so we are not the weak. As long as we have a strong/persevering heart, we will not lose to men. I am someone who has [gone through this]. When my child was very small, my ex-husband would often stay out late playing women. No matter how much I pleaded he would not listen. In the end, I was willing to give up the house (the house was purchased through his parents’ seniority, their name is on the deed, and at the time he was saying the house was his if we divorce) and divorced him, moving out alone with my daughter. Several years later today I have purchased a house by myself. My mother’s family’s [financial] circumstances are not good so I did not have them contribute, and only borrowed a little over 10,000 from friends. A month ago I moved into what is finally my own house, my mood comfortable and relaxed. You are still young, jia you! Good luck/fortune is waiting for you.
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Sofa.
Girls in the bottom picture with the Jiongman are fineeeeeeeeeeeee~ Especially that first one, goddamn~
Also, definitely support a strong independent woman like this. Takes a lot of guts to do what she’s doing. Hope she doesn’t let herself get suckered by any more guys.
she is everything except fine… you need help.
First.
Absolutely right, honey. I would gladly trade my man for a house.
btw, great post, Fauna. Seeing this gives me great hope for women in China!
but you should have ended with, “Want to find a woman who owns property? Try the chinaSMACK personals” !!
why dont these women get a 2 bedroom house and rent out a room?
Or isnt this allowed in China?
62m = 667.36 feet squared
So her 2 bedroom is roughly size of a studio.
and the size she quoted is probably construction size, which means after fixtures, walls, etc it will be even smaller.
I think it’s def allowed, just not practical.
It’s perfectly practical. I used to share a 2-bedroom 64sqm apartment. Perceptions of personal space are very different in China. In fact she could probably rent out one of the rooms for 2 people to share without any problem.
All I hear is Chinese women complaining about Chinese men.
What the hell do they have to offer. And do you Chinese guys have any balls or what?
All I see is you kowtowing to them, but what does the women have to offer in return other than Sex and more whining.
It seems they got most of you by the balls. Grow some balls and be a man.
They act like they are entitled to this or that just because they’re women. You guys seem to spoil them too much. They sound even worse than Western Women.
That’s pretty badass. Working on your own to buy a house in China – takes one hell of a work ethic.
When I got out of high school all my friends bought cars, at the time they were all car-slaves. At least a house is long term, buying a car is a super waste of money..
jia you!!
Whine! Whine! Whine! “I have no money …”; “I’m a poor Chinese girl … give me money…”
Another typical Chinese girl moaning about not having enough money or the lavish life-style she thinks she’s entitled to. Every paragraph in this story is about money…
You think you’re the only single person living on your own in a house?
Somebody hurt you. Get over yourself!
It’s not just girls like you who have a hard time of it. There’s men like me who didn’t really have a lot of choice, but to learn how to be able and responsible since the age of 17 to cook, clean, do chores, and pay bills. Now I’m in my 40s and still single, but do I care? No!
I stopped caring years ago about not being able to find a Chinese girl who wants to be my girlfriend/wife and live with me in a large apartment.
I just get on with my new life in China and never let anything so depressing as money bring me down.
Cool post Zebedee. I must say I’m coming round more and more to your way of thinking.
The “self entitlement” mentality is alive and well, especially amongst Chinese girls. Working for a living, reality check, nothing beats it….
It seems that it has become something big issue here by buying a house and stick with monthly payment. Go get a life. Everyone is doing it, except a few exceptional people.
As Zebedee said – whine whine whine
And now. For the first time ever…. I am going to say something truly scary… something… horrendous…. something…. POSITIVE!
Well done to this girl for having a job and doing it. Trust me, I know for daily experience that a large number of Shanghai girls think they are way way above doing even that.
Now, allow me to revert to my normal self.
STOP FUCKING WHINING ON THE INTERNET YOU ANNOYING LITTLE GIRL. IF YOU ARE UNHAPPY ABOUT HAVING TO WORK SO HARD YOU DO HAVE CHOICES:
A) Stop working and beg
B) Find a man, and be… NICE to him. Maybe he’ll like you
C) Stop complaining on the internet about having to work so hard for so little whilst at the same time celebrating your ‘motherland’ and telling everyone how harmonious your shitty country it. It’s not helping you to get workers unions which ensure a decent minium wage. If it shit… SAY IT’S SHIT. Stop saying its great to everyone and anyone and then whining on the internet.
Fuck you and your ‘country’.
ya,
i always find it quite hilarious how some chinese women think they’re beautiful so they gonna marry some rich dude or some shit like that. think the rich guy is gonna only be bonin her or somethig.
lol
This article is great as there are some women out there who are independent and work hard for their livelihood. Its a break from those whiny little bitches who complain there is no man for them in China and their only route to easy life and abundant riches is to marry a old and fat foreigner or be a mail order bride.
In the meanwhile, I’ve overheard Chinese guys calling my Chinese girlfriend (who is rather pretty and thin) not a ‘real woman’ because she has a mid-management job and puts her little brother through university. Can anyone explain this mentality to me?
I suggest asking those Chinese guys. Personally, the Chinese guys I know would respect such a girl for not being afraid to work and for being responsible to her family, as opposed to being one of those stereotypical girls who see marriage and becoming a housewife being the next step after graduating college. I imagine a hard-working responsible woman to be a widespread ideal for women amongst most of the lower and middle classes, with maybe the some in the upper classes seeing a working woman as a sign of her husband’s failure or something.
“I personally do not like to make myself up, perhaps it is because my love for him made me want to control him… I had even wanted to die, hatefully preferring for us to die together.”
Wow, that guy got out just in time.
Most Chinese girls don’t really have lives. Ask them simple questions like what her hobbies are? Probably none. Ask her if she ate other kinds of food other than Chinese? Probably none.
All I’m saying is that most Chinese girls have really nothing much that interesting to share. Not even an interesting personality to share. Its no wonder they just fall in love with materials because they have nothing else to look forward to. What’s wierd is that they seem to have little guilt for excepting expensive gifts.
You statement says much more about yourself than the hundreds of million of Chinese girls.
You guys are a bit harsh. Yes, she needs to stop whining. No one forced her to buy a house.
But women face a host of serious issues. Behavior doesn’t spring out of nothing. In a society where women are valued primarily for their looks (clearly not a China-specific problem, but probably a bigger one in scale here than in some countries) and are generally treated like shit in the workplace, some fairly shitty behaviors are going to result.
I think the third comment from Sina brushes against these issues. The best way for a Chinese woman to work out of poverty is to be born hot. Working hard or working well are not fantastic ways for a woman to get ahead. So what we end up with is a overwhelming focus on appearance.
Of course, there are nowhere near enough rich men for this to work. It’s basically like poor people playing the lottery, though. Even though the odds of success are terrible, your other options for moving up to a better life are shit, so why not give it a go.
Not to say that entitlement is not an issue here, but when you see the huge disparities in quality of life in urban areas, one can easily see where envy comes from and the fact that many of the people living expensive lives didn’t really get there through any kind of special merit must be extremely frustrating.
If women want to have better lives, they are going to need to fight to get one, though. The current setup is great for women born lucky, but doesn’t seem to do much for regular people.
Poeple are the products of their environment.How can you expect someone to act rationally if they have never seen or experienced anything different then what they exposed to everyday. It is the hope to be independent that drives people to buy houses or apartments. Not to be a rent slave to someone else is the object here. Unfortunally the situation in the world is such at this time that it is a great burden for most to achieve that goal no matter where you are in China or in the so called developed countries. I can only wish this young lady and all others the best to realize their goal. I been in their shoes.
A big issue that no one has touched yet is the extremely materialistic lifestyle we’re expected to lead. Everybody in the world wants to live like by first world standards – maybe we need to scale our expectations, yes, even housing, back to more realistic levels. Unregulated house pricing is a failure we need to deal with. Everybody deserves affordable housing.
Given what I’ve seen of property rights in China I wouldn’t put too much trust in investing everything in a “house” which by the way should be translated as “apartment”.