From Tianya:
Although I have watched the Hollywood blockbuster “Titanic” many years ago, the grandeur of the tragedy during the moment of the ship’s sinking forever etched in my mind. The honorable captain, the three violinists calmly facing death, as well as those gentlemen who gave the hope of life to the women and children and left the calamity of death for themselves; left me touched while at the same time, let me re-realize the greatness of humanity.
Lingering in such deep awe, I often cannot help it but to pose to myself a foolish assumption: Suppose the passengers on the Titanic are us Chinese, what will be the scene during the moment of the sinking? Facing this conjecture I find it difficult to answer, but when I must answer this question, I had to do so in light of practical experience in order to draw the following conclusion:
Upon receiving the report of the ship hitting the iceberg, The terror-stricken captain rushed to notify the highest level cadre (certain secretary or certain chief) among the passengers, to let them immediately prepare to board lifeboats to evacuate, and then quickly instruct his subordinates to notify the high/low level officials in the luxury cabins, and escort them to safely evacuate. According to usual practice, the order of the evacuation is decided by the level in rank of the officials.
After a period of busy activity, high/low level officials all safely depart, the news of the ship hitting the iceberg also gradually spread to the regular passengers. The ship, due to intake of water slowly developed a list. The passengers started to cause a commotion, some froze in their tracks, some held their head and wailed, some started plundering valuables, in a short time, and all order was lost. Soon they realized they have to find a path to survival, and one after another rushed forth toward the limited numbers of lifeboats remaining. At this time the captain is leading the crew to prepare for departure, after some hurl of insult and infighting, the captain and the crew also safely left the ship.
At this time the available small boats for evacuation are even more scarce, the passengers became even more frantic and distraught, a couple of strong and rough brutes grabbed the only two small boats remaining, another bunch of big and tall men after a violent struggle also got into the boat. The turbulent sea water surged up one wave after another, the liner is already seriously listing, the chaotic mass of people resembling the dense numbers of ants began to falter, finally the small boat full of able-bodied men, in the desperate gaze of the passengers, and the sound of wailing cries/shouts, hurriedly left the ship. Women in disheveled hair holding their crying infants fell down and got up again, a couple of handicapped men are exclaiming in despair toward the sky, a pair of white haired couple sobbing in embrace…a rumble of a large sound [explosion], the big liner broke in half down the middle and gradually sinks into the bottomless abyss. All is lost in the silence, and then slowly floats up some debris of buckets and clothing in addition to the frozen corpses of women and children…
My answer above may not satisfy everyone, so much so that some will think that I am suspicious of vilifying ‘civil servants’ [officials] and defiling our fellow countrymen. But I really can’t think up a more satisfying answer for people, because in regard to personal interests, first come the officials followed by the staff of government departments, then the strong and able-bodied brutes, and finally the old, the weak, the disabled, the women and the children, this kind of social order in real life is already commonplace for me.
Do you still recall the Karamay fire, the three hundred or so victims are all elementary school kids and teachers, the government officials all escaped first without a scratch.
Those currently receiving or are watching others receive this type of special privilege; electric plant workers do not have to pay for electricity bills, water plant naturally do not have to pay for water bills, railway workers riding trains naturally do not have to dig into their wallets. As for dominance of the strong, at the bustling stations, harbors, theaters, even door to buses all fully reflect that the slogans of ‘ladies first’ or ‘compassion toward others’ can only forever hang on the lips of our fellow countrymen. Written on the walls on the side of the street, yet how many people truly carry out these actions?
This is the realities of our national’s personal qualities, this is the realities of our government official’s qualities, I do not want to, but have no choice but to admit this reality! Disasters are like a mirror, it can reflect the beautiful, the ugly, the good and the bad in human nature, and we should ask ourselves through the heart, can we withstand its reflections?
Note: A good contrast to the chivalrous altruism displayed on board the Titanic can be found in this BBC article.
Comments on Tianya:
If they are all Chinese, then if the accident happened, we will definitely turn this bad event into a good one, will definitely unite the masses even closer around the Party, will definitely uplift the whole nation in a great surge of patriotism, will definitely put forth the touching scene of the whole nation’s enthusiastic donations of money and materials, the ship’s passengers will definitely request the captain and high/low level deputies to leave first, CCTV will definitely say the families of the victims are just as if they are celebrating the Chinese New Year, will definitely report that during the disaster the CCP members displayed countless touching achievements, will definitely…
Then to the evaluation of the disaster: The people will say it is the ship’s fault, the ship will say it is the iceberg’s fault, the iceberg will say it is the climate’s fault, the climate will say it is the sun’s fault, and the sun can only say: FUCK!
Lastly, a call for the whole nation’s hard work and endurance, to set off a new patriotic climax for the construction of the motherland.
A moment of silence.
Sing along with the Party: socialism is good, socialism is good, and People of socialist countries have high social standings!
If they are Chinese, I predict they will all die. China today has lost all moral virtue.
Ding this post up, cannot let it sink.
If onboard the Titanic are all today’s Chinese, then one thing is certain: definitely no one will survive.
The following was cited as the voice of the victims: “妈13 [13 = B, so this is MB, "motherfucking"] bastards secretly cutting corners, using shoddy materials, and enjoying kickbacks, only so few lifeboats, why should the leaders board first, I will just have to squeeze on board, at worst, if it capsizes, we will all go together.”
Given the time of the Titanic sinking was in 1912, at that time the qualities of our countrymen have yet to degenerate to this level, therefore the result should be similar to the movie.
What LZ said is not completely without reason. But during this big earthquake too were many flashes of humanity’s glories/radiance!
A real portrait of Chinese officials.
It is this gang of people controlling China, how lamentable.
This really is bullshit, I work at the department providing electricity, an old worker for 15 years, and I have never heard of using electricity without money!!!
Chinese will definitely let the leaders go first. haha
In Titanic nobility class got the same privilege as what you said about Chinese officials, secondly, that is only embellished element of the movie. So no matter who is this or that, human nature determined the outcome, no matter what country it is all the same.
Leaders going first…hehe, this is very normal.
I believe in your analysis,
Looking at the present situation,
There is no way I can’t believe you.
Every nationality has their own deep rooted bad habits; do not think the foreigners are that good. In fact when you really did go to foreign countries you will discover, that actually they are not what you think they are.
Comments on NetEase:
Let the leader go first
If the leaders all died, who will represent the greater poor people?
What LZ said have some bias, should put it this way: in China, most of the people are kind-hearted, most officials are still corrupt; this is really China’s current situation, you can’t judge the people and the officials on the same page.
LZ deep down you look down upon Chinese people, two years ago a sea disaster occurred in the Bohai Sea, all the survivors were nearly all women and children, why? Because during the disaster, the passengers on the boat let women and children first board the liferaft, a girl recalled after the incident, when the boat is nearly under water, two men pushed her out of the side portal, she was saved, but those two men never climbed out, gone down with the ship into the sea. Later that women and an old man boarded a liferaft, floating on the sea for a good number of days, the old man said his is already old, don’t have many days to live, so he gave what little fresh water he has to the girl. In the end the girl survived but the old man died on the raft. The majority of the people among our countrymen are still good people, but LZ is through and through a dark-hearted small person.
I cannot say that all of today’s officials talk about special privileges, but those [officials] around me do, this is without question.
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- Xuzhou Government Outlaws Human Flesh Search
- Shandong Petitioners Forcibly Sent To Mental Asylum
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“Every nationality has their own deep rooted bad habits; do not think the foreigners are that good. In fact when you really did go to foreign countries you will discover, that actually they are not what you think they are.”
I agree with this comment. Humanity is not too different country to country. Yes, there was chivalry at some point in time, but as another poster already pointed out – that was only within the class. In Titanic the rich still got off first before the peasants.
Do you know why this is a stupid question or stupid scenario to ask? You are comparing what you think a race would do vs. a movie scene. Do you think what happened in the movie reflects what really happened in real life? This is comparing apples and oranges.
Who knows how the Chinese would react; I’m actually surprised so many agreed with the original poster though.
I think this article says it all:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7843154.stm
Indeed, gentlemen did happily give up there lives for women and children, it was simply natural.
Of course, today, regardless of nationality, I doubt (not least because there are now sufficient number of lifeboats on ships), anyone would make it a point to wait for the women and children to go first, the women would probably scream at us gentlemen for being sexist. But seriously, even I have my doubts; would I rush to the lifeboat in a desperate, selfish attempt to preserve my own life? Perhaps. But then the words of Captain Edward John Smith ring in my ears:
“Be British, boys, be British.”
I will, Sir, I will. *salutes*
In addition, look at the news. It does not always look romantic when you see how people in the West or anywhere in the world handle disaster. Remember Hurricane Katrina? People went crazy, looted, killed and shot guns in the air.
The media commented that this resembled a 3rd world country. But in fact, I don’t even think people in a 3rd world country would do those things.
yeah it look like africa, no??
I also forgot to mention that even the police looted in New Orleans. Yes, corruption is everywhere.
*ugh, misspelling of their in my first post. Well, might as well give another priceless quote. Form the BBC link:
‘He [the expert] said that in testimonies from inquiries in America and Britain just after the event, there were a lot of statements from women saying their husbands put them on lifeboats.
They then “went to the back of the boat to have a cigar, to stand around and be chummy, while basically the boat went down”‘.
Ah, a more civilized age.
*ugh, misspelling of from. oh who cares.
“The American culture was set up to be a more individualist culture and the British culture was more about the gentlemanly behaviour,”:
“Be British, boys, be British.” (I say to all Americans, heh)
I get what he was saying but folks on Titanic weren’t terribly decent either, after all it was the wealthy parvenu who boarded the rescue boats, leaving thousands of poor souls to perish.
the Titanic incident had its unique property, there were limited rescue boats and no time for fair selection, but even in that circumstance I think the securities did a mighty job coordinating the escape. sorry for the dead buddies but it had to be this way, during that period, some people are indeed privileged over others.
True, just look at Rose’s fiancé, Caledon Hockley – what a shit! “Women & children first” was an ideal for the British at this time though e.g. Bruce Ismay couldn’t show his face in polite society after the sinking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Ismay) etc, but not necessarily in practice (the events are based on the statements of those who survived & e.g. “Nearly every woman survivor who was asked [when she left] replied firmly, ‘in the last boat’.” Lord).
For your interest (http://www.anesi.com/titanic.htm), although try googling “Titanic survival rates” for other breakdowns. I liked the article about the British suffering for their love of queuing – politeness literally dying out. Interestingly no-one seems to have compared this with queuing in China yet…
People will do about the same in disasters no matter which country they’re from. But there are things that drag their legs from stepping onto lifeboats before others: chivalry, spirit of sacrifice due to faith in religion, being accustomed to obey orders, or simply because a gun pointing at them. Leaders are not necessarily moral models. I see no problem that a captain put himself first on lifeboat – his skills in navigation and survival on sea can be very helpful later.
captain must die with his vessel, no exceptions.
but of course he can choose to live when he could, then he will most likely be contempted for the rest of his life.
Nice! next time I board my school buses I will tell the drivers that they must die with their vehicles. They will hug me with full agreement, or …
*Ouch*
Looking at the chaos there is everyday on the subway, people rushing for seats as if their lives depended on it, I think it would be absolute chaos. But I agree that different countries would act mostly the same way in such a situation. However, I feel that British people (for example) would be slightly more ordered and disciplined throughout the whole event, leading to a more efficient rescue operation, whereas it would be more difficult for the Chinese to do so because they are so used to chaos.
In terms of “rescue operation efficiency”, probably no country can beat Mao’s dynasty of China, where people were strongly disciplined and had self-sacrifice deeply in heart. And captains/leaders are generally much more responsible than today’s.
But, I believe the vast majority of Chinese would rather be a miserable subway combatant who has to struggle thru the chaos everyday, than become Chairman Mao’s righteous Red Guard in the good ole days.
Uh…what?
This is a joke?
pity there isn’t a sarcasm tag in hypertext markup language
there is: ;D
Bwaaahahaha!
Hilarious.
There would have been zero survivors, women and children rudely shoved aside or beaten.
The Chinese are savages.
Meh…+1 on at least living up to your name.
I don’t know about the rest of it, but one Chinese commenter hit the nail on the head with this one:
“Then to the evaluation of the disaster: The people will say it is the ship’s fault, the ship will say it is the iceberg’s fault, the iceberg will say it is the climate’s fault, the climate will say it is the sun’s fault, and the sun can only say: FUCK!”
LoL, yeah, I remember a similar comment made during the Sanlu debacle. I think it was in the Photoshop thread or something. Ah, the spirit of always blaming others…
“Some of the bolts were imported from Japan, blame the Japanese, they sabotaged our great mother ship due to immense hate for the Chinese people! Band together, countrymen, protest Ito Yokado!”
i agree it will be chaos for Chinese. like people who rush to the seat in the subway everyday. but they are not bad persons, they are just careless and selfish. Most of they spend whole life are working hard for basic food,living and family. they dont even graduate from high school, it is just no time for art, luxury and thinking.
there are always hopes from the Chinese young generation, see the writer of this article and the commons at least some of them start to think, start to find their own way.
well, it was actually like that, you lamer. 3rd class cabins were closed and 1st class passengers were given overall priority. anglosaxons are actually on the same low level as the chinese.
It happens everywhere, rich people’s life always more important than poor, develop country’s culture is better than 3rd world county.
do the same kind job Chinese get less paid than foreigner …….there is no fair in this world, deal with yourself…..
I fear for the day when China will be overrun with liberals.
Ethics can only come after food and clothing.
Perhaps a more timely question is what would have happened had a Chinese carrier made a successful ditching on the Hudson. Would the instructions from the stewardesses be ignored and the rear door forced open, flooding the plane? Or would it have been just as (relatively) orderly and calm as it turned out to be in reality?
I fear for the day Liberalism will overrun China.
Despite Mao completely turning into a fucking loon in the latter part of his life, the early Mao gets my respect.
He was able to motivate, discipline, and work the people. He’s basically the equivalent of Winston Churchill. The PLA under Mao was extremely disciplined. They didn’t do none of the shit the japs or KMT soldiers did. With this only, they easily gained the support of the people.
fucking libs.
anglo-american idiot. critize the chinese but not accepting that you are just as low as them. come on nanny, delete this.
anglosaxons + chinese the most uncivilized and ignorant bunch of garbage that exists on this world. one day it is game over for you both.
to bill Joel
i fear for the day Liberalism wont overrun China and young chinese people thinks like you…government can continue to wash people’s mind
without liberal there are no meanings of life. dont even start to talk about the Mao, cant believe after what he did to the whole china region, there are still people who respect him…what f*ck….
And boy are you brainwashed?
Typical Liberal. Conservative = Brainwashed. Such a simple minded nature.
I do concur that Mao fucked up the later part of his life, if you continued to read my post. But the fact stands that China would be less than half of what it is today without Mao’s ambition for nuclear energy and establishment of an independent state rather than Chiang American Puppet.
People found “meanings of life” for thousands of years before librealism evolved.
Typical liberal piece of shit propaganda.
to iamnotanglosaxonthankstogod
you remind me one guy : Hitler
you are a stupid chinese. have good life? enough money from papa? enjoy china? acceptedt by ur foreign…oooh…lets be more precise ENGLISH AND AMERICAN ENGLISH friends? dreamer, be careful that the 800 millon peasants who give their blood for you do not eat u for breakfast one day.
FANGYAO: Was redest Du da für eine Scheisse zusammen?
Oh, you only speak english i guess. after spanish spoken by a few countries in this world and none in Mainland Europe) so little english for you, because you do not speak real important languages like spanish: well, what do YOU know about cultures, liberalism and blabla. Nothing.
You stick ur stupid nose into things that are 10x times bigger than your brain. come on, chat on QQ, read your fucking english newspaper and watch fucking CNN and fucking american shit and CCTV. the world is not english and you know nothing.
so shut up, and learn and spare us with ur half-knowledge. you do not even know what you are talkign about, mister zhongguoren. trying to make urself interesting, club member of ur english waiguo idea?
Halt´ die Klappe und rede nicht über Dinge von denen Du keine Ahnung hast.
hei “knows_nothing_but_want_talk_about_everything ”
i dont know what are you talking about….you lost me
more english for you, because u only speak this simple structured language. it fits to ur mind, most of the world do not speak english but i guess for you all waiguoren speak it, right? *LOL* the waiguo-language, yes..ALLLL countries speak it in the world! SURE! HAHA!:
Already too much for you, english-lover? you are a typical chinese. big firework, big blablabla about everything and anyone, nice sweet words and smiling is what u expect all the time, oh yes, and all must fit into ur little chinese brain all the time of course, then u r happy! And when it comes to the serious stuff you hide. fight you coward! you are a stupid chinese!
You must apologize to me NOW! you hurted the feelings of the civilized world!
“I DON’T KNOW”: chinese´ best known words!
YOU APOLOGIZE!
Fucker! *lol*
spare us with ur half-knowledge.
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we are the “us” here, not you fuckwit. now go suck a screwdriver.
who are you?? you are another stupid chinese who thinks that by adapting english and north-american garbage it makes you “Western” and a member of ur foreign (ENGLISH) friends circle. keep this in ur mind: The world is not english and most are not the way u think they are. They are they and we are us in europe, south america or russia or scandinavia. do not try to think that with knowing one stupid american and a few dirty american words you KNOW all fucking waiguoren and their way of life. There are too big differences in the world and you dont even get a glimpse of it. So, keep on being a cool chinese rich son american idiot who posts cool words in a Anglosaxon forum.
didn’t read your crap, now go back to your pathetic country, if it is indeed a country not a cave.
to “knows_nothing_but_want_talk_about_everything”
this guy is crazy , are you on something, hahaha
really hate English, why you still use it, write on English blog ???
go fuck yourself to your own country, you can speak and write whatever you want……
you stupid chinese: sure, the english is only for you. because u do not speak anything else. u stupid chinese. give up and hide. “this guy is crazy” yes, easy way of getting out, eh?
i bet with 1000 of ur kind you will act very strong, right? idiots like u hide in big crowds. its part of ur nature.
take the chinese short-cut: just leave a comment about me and run away. you stupid chinese! stupid! small brain! is there no honour in you? come on, argue with me! you LOSER, small zhonguoren. show me ur knowledge. there is so much on this site from you. and now? hide..u lazy idiot. typical chinese.
I am waiting. or do you need to call in you flag weaving friends first? Hahaha! you small rat. come one, before the admins here delete the posts. you stupid zhonguoren.
Are you German?
Not bad,, its kinda funny but it could have been written much more funny tbh. You have your own disasters in this country to evaluate the standards of the people anyway. The thing is,, do you have a social conscience? Am I totally wrong if I say that Chinese people mainly care about their (extended) family and normally wouldn’t give a rats ass about other people? (unless we are talking about disasters of a giant scale like the Sichuan earthquake).
“(unless we are talking about disasters of a giant scale like the Sichuan earthquake)”
Why does the size of the disaster affect how much people care about others? If they don’t give a rat’s ass, they would not donate their money in the earthquake. Yes, Chinese people do have social conscience.
It’s not totally wrong but it is simplistic.
1. MOST people tend to care more for their family or someone they know than they would a stranger.
2. This is particularly evident amongst the poorer social classes, whose living conditions and lives are difficult in ways those in higher living conditions may never truly appreciate.
3. The vast majority of Chinese are STILL poor, and one’s relationships or connections matter a lot more here than they do in richer nations where the people (usually with a large, usually equal, middle class) pursue the ideal of meritocracy in self-interest.
4. The Chinese are not alone. Ask a sociologist and most will show you similar phenomenon in most poor communities amongst poor societies. People in these situations are less apt to stress individualism as they are to depend on, rely on, and exploit social ties to survive or get ahead. People in these situations need their family and their gangs, etc. These were the people they have relied on before and feel they can rely on in the future. You take care of your own and that often results in not worrying yourself over those who are NOT your own.
5. The propensity for a society in general to aspire to or make decisions on more idealistic notions is often in direct correlation to the general wealth and distribution of wealth in that society. China is poor and the rich-poor divide is extreme.
A society’s “social conscience” (oversimplified) develops in accordance to what its members have to lose. A poor society has little to lose. A rich society has much to lose, and hence will foster both laws and unwritten rules to protect each other and, by extension, themselves.
Many comparatively well-off Westerners/foreigners simply do not have the frame of reference to appreciate this fact, whereas the Chinese do because they live their poverty. Even the more well-off ones today can still remember what poverty is like, whether through their own childhoods or through the life experiences of their parents. Poverty is still in the consciousness of the vast majority of the Chinese in ways that the vast majority of citizens in developed countries cannot even fathom much less appreciate.
So please, be careful when implying, suggesting, or mistaking “the Chinese” as people who only care about their own families but not others. There are good, solid, sociological and economic reasons for this amongst the Chinese and, more importantly, amongst non-Chinese. It is is misleading, if not dangerous, to imply that it is cultural or racial.
So, are you agreeing with GuoBao? If so, why is it therefore dangerous to say that this is a cultural phenomena? There may be good sociological and economic reasons but if it is as widespread as you say, it becomes a part of Chinese culture, doesn’t it? It may not be unique to China, but it would still be fair to call it a part of Chinese culture?
What does my first sentence say? I said it is not totally wrong but it is simplistic. The rest of my response explains why it is simplistic.
It is dangerous BECAUSE it is simplistic. This phenomenon is less a function of being “Chinese” than it is a function of time, development, and socio-economics. When it is widespread, it is more accurate to say it is part of current Chinese SOCIETY than it is to say it is a part of Chinese CULTURE. Why? Because you wouldn’t characterize many other “cultures” with the same thing despite the fact that such phenomenon was widespread in their societies in the past as well.
It would be “fair” to differentiate the existence of this phenomenon as a result of WHO someone is versus WHAT SITUATION someone is living in. Insofar as GuoBao was simplifying this phenomenon as a result of the Chinese being WHO they are, I was cautioning that it is is more about WHAT SITUATION they are living in.
It is dangerous to single out and attribute a negative value-judgement to a culture/society as if it were uniquely characteristic of that culture/society.
Just want to say the CAPS are for emphasis, not that I’m screaming at you or anything in case you take offense to it. I also want to add for clarity that this phenomenon should be viewed in context, in socio-economic context and in temporal context, instead of racial/cultural context.
You have to separate the words culture and race. Identifying a negative characteristic of the ‘Chinese’ by appeal to nothing more that that they are Chinese, (their race), is dangerous. However, I don’t understand why omitting the SITUATIONS that give rise to WHO the Chinese ‘are’, by using the umbrella word culture, or indeed, society (assuming you have made no significant distinction between the two) instead, is also dangerous; nor/or why using the word ‘’society’ (rather than culture), makes it less dangerous (assuming you have made such an important distinction between them).
I just can’t see it. The word culture (or society, depending on whether or not that word negates the danger or not), presupposes the context (and means a ‘negative value-judgement’, is both a criticism of the product and the cause, because it is fundamentally a criticism of the environment that individual was brought up in) when it is uttered, thus there is no need to explicitly state that context.
But I can (possibly?) see what you mean by danger, you are worried people will criticise the product (the Chinese) for being ‘itself‘, without acknowledging the reasons why, but then this is a racial criticism and not a cultural one, I think you’ve made a mistake to use the two interchangeably, though I suppose it is possible that someone malicious will make the same mistake, so your warning is, I suppose, still useful)
For example, this makes sense…
“It is dangerous to single out and attribute a negative value-judgement to a culture/society as if it were uniquely characteristic of that culture/society.”
…if one replaces ‘culture/society’ with ‘race’. It is not clear why something that is considered ‘uniquely characteristic’ or not, should be ‘dangerous’ and then ‘not-dangerous’, though it does make sense in terms of race.
“It is dangerous BECAUSE it is simplistic. This phenomenon is less a function of being “Chinese” than it is a function of time, development, and socio-economics.”
‘Time, development, socio-economics‘: determine what it is to be ‘Chinese’, the two are inseparable, and the ‘time, devel…etc’ can refer to culture or society etc. Again, however, if by ‘function of being “Chinese”’ you mean racially, not culturally, then it makes sense.
I think any reply I get will have to be about our definition of culture, which is essentially indefinable anyway. As GuoBao didn’t even use the word culture, I think it’s clear you began by trying to avert racial stereotyping, whereas I, perhaps obtrusively, commented on your use of the word culture; perhaps I was misconstrued as some racist loon, and you felt I (and GuoBao) was using ‘culture’ interchangeably with ‘race’? If not the only way we can move forward is if we get a clear understanding, and then argue against each other’s idea of what culture is. At least that’s what I envisage. Do you want to embark on such an impossible quest? I’m willing to opt out, unless I’ve grossly misunderstood something? (I don’t want to be choked under the weight of one of your infamous analytical monstrosities, I have to keep in mind the ‘temporal context’ of my life after all ;) )
NL, there IS a distinction between the word “society” and “culture.”
Yes, GuoBao didn’t use the word “culture.” He attributed a negative characteristic to “the Chinese” specifically as a race or culture, as opposed to “people” or “society” in general, which is why I then responded with: “It is is misleading, if not dangerous, to imply that it is cultural or racial.”
After that, you suggested that it was a “cultural phenomena,” that this negative characteristic has become “part of Chinese culture.”
I disagreed by saying that while this phenomenon surely exists in current Chinese “society”, it is more accurately, more fairly, and less dangerously explained by looking at the socio-economic situation in which the Chinese live than by jumping to attribute it as particular to the culture or race. Socio-economic situations change, whereas one’s “race” or “culture” does not. That’s the significance of “temporal context.”
Society is a group of people. Culture is what characterizes that society. Society is “what” these people are, while culture is “who” they are. When you begin implying a characteristic as part of someone’s “culture,” you begin saying this is part of their identity rather than part of their circumstances. It becomes dangerous because it gets personal. There’s a difference between asking a person or society to change their circumstances versus changing their “culture.”
For example, consider the difference between 文明社会 and 文明文化.
Kai, why don’t you give it a break! You can’t stop people from making, implying, suggesting, or mistaking anything. You’re just wasting your time.
This website is about China, and foreigners or Chinese overseas will keep on making general comments comparing Chinese in China with people of whatever countries they are from, it’s natural. They won’t care if every other culture in the world is the same way, because ChinaSmack is about China, not other cultures or people. If you don’t like what they say, then ignore it.
Oh, and thank you for the extensive research into other countries and cultures of the world.
Am I wasting my time? Maybe I should give it a break?
Fauna: I agree with your statement! We have so much in common as human being even if we live in different countries. So, why not keeping a healthy exchange of ideas without becoming trivial or offensive?
Jordan, you’re right. I can’t STOP people from doing those things. I can, however, respond to them when they do so. Whether it changes anything for them or others is another matter.
If I’m wasting my time, then aren’t you doing the very same thing simply by responding to me? I disagree with them just as you disagree with me. We can both choose to ignore, but we haven’t. Why?
I know comparisons are natural. I’ve said so myself. That said, there’s nothing wrong with putting things in perspective when one feels that perspective is lost. Aren’t you yelling at me because you think I’ve lost perspective of why such comparisons are made on this website? We’re doing the same thing.
Many people comment on this website to make disparaging remarks about China or the Chinese. That doesn’t mean that is what this website is for. So why does it feel like that’s what you’re trying to get me to accept?
Kai, I did not yell at you.
I was gonna rebuttal, but I know it won’t accomplish anything, so I’m gonna give it a break.
A statement made by Rodney King long ago comes to mind…
“Can we all just get along
Is this the fight club or ChinaSmack?
Wow, what was that German guy complaining about? I still don’t get it.
As for Titanic: Like somebody said, China has had more than its fair share of tragedies this last year. It would be more realistic to compare Sichuan with New Orleans, rather than a Hollywood with an imagined event, or Donald Duck with Suicide Bunny.
(although one thing I’m sure: the bunny would kick the hell out of DDuck)
LoL, yeah, that guy just came out of nowhere.
fight club ??
i just dont understand where this guy’s anger coming from??
didn’t i say anything towards some nations!!!!
i confused, but well some people want to say stupid things i dont give a f*ck
Lest we forget
MV Cultural Revolution and her sister ship MV Great Leap forward. Both huge disasters that make the Titanic look like a soggy matchstick at a lumberjack convention.
If passengers of the Titanic were Chinese then they would blame the Russian Navy for pushing the iceberg and the Russian Navy would blame the Titanic for smuggling. Meanwhile Chinese media would report it as an accident involving Chinese seamen while the word “Titanic” is banned from China-based internet forums and produces error messages for Baidu news searches.
LoL. Following the news, have we?
The truly sad thing is that the Titanic would not have been such a disaster had people been better prepared for it. They should have had more lifeboats, for starters.
And yet it’s from famous cases like these that we learn the lessons to prevent future disasters. While learning of ideals like chivalry is nice, there are always going to be rude and selfish people. So we’re best off to learn how to prevent disasters like these.
That woman who drowned in her car a while back might have been saved if there had been a lifeguard with a life jacket. The girls who burned to death in their dorm could have been saved if someone had made an evacuation plan. My own grandmother would be dead right now if I had not been able to perform first aid.
If people really want to improve things, they should look to more practical things like that, rather than wondering whose culture is better or whatever.
If you want to improve your culture, improve yourself. And feel free to start by learning first aid.
Good comment. I agree wholeheartedly.
I love China. That’s why I drink every day and post shit on websites like this. If anyone wants to contact me – 135 2904 2320. Cheers.
there is no other way to stand life in this country and its “civilized” people. Cheers!
this is a preposterous article.
China will not use one big mofo of a ship to transport passengers.
It will use 200-300 Chinese junks and dragon boats to cross the ocean.
If the Titanic was a Chinese ship, the Chinese authorities would put the blame on the temporary workers on the ship.
@ Kai: please don’t take it as an insult or anything but just get to the point. Try to write “newspaper style”. We all know by now how brilliant (you think) you are, but my guess is most people just skip your comments.
And please resist the urge to correct my grammar, it’s simply pedantic.
Grammar correction is usually smickno when he is trolling, not me.
Look, sometimes I write a lot because I just do. Sometimes, it is because what I write is actually important to the point(s) I’m making. I will write as much as I feel is necessary to adequately express my thoughts and substantiate my arguments. Of course, many of the nuances or points I feel are necessary to make may entirely be lost on you or on “most people.” However, I think that is understandable and I don’t begrudge others for it.
You will express yourself in whatever way makes you feel comfortable, with whatever succinctness you deem necessary, for whatever your motivations are. I will as well. Can we agree to respect each other over this?
BTW, it IS an insult when you couldn’t help but snidely express how brilliant you think I think I am. My comments are long, but for better or worse, they’re actually about an issue relevant to the post than a some public complaint about another commenter. Please, get over it, skip my comments, whatever, give it a break.
他写多写少跟你有什么关系？真无聊。废话多的是你。
I agree 100% fauna.
For the note: Titanic was poorly made ship. It had been made in hurry, with cost cut in mind, from low quality steel (even from that time).Staff was unskilled. Only 25% of 3rd class passengers survived, compared to 60% of first classer.
Junks or modern sea liner, I think the Chinese will do much better. At least, they would be more solitary to each other than Titanic passengers.
I think we Chinese people can quickly form a Human-Titanic and swim to safety. We can do anything when we put our minds to it.
You can do nothing right and you have no respect from anyone. that is what you got from your awkward actions or better said: from your government+countrymen. a few years more and you will sunk into chaos and blood and disappear from the world stage with a big war. That will be the last souvenir from China (unfortunately to all of us) and then you will hide behind your great wall, far away from the world and development like u did 5000 years long. It is just your fate. Very sorry for your country. You just do not have what is needed. Stay behind your great wall and bath in your self-made superior feelings :-D.
From anecdotal evidence, I have heard that most Chinese cannot swim.
@kai
You wrote:
“My comments are long, but for better or worse, they’re actually about an issue relevant to the post than a some public complaint about another commenter.”
There should be “rather” before “than” and “a” shouldn’t be there.
他写多写少跟你有什么关系？真无聊。废话多的是你。
What has it got to do with you, if he writes a lot or a little? Really a waste of time. The person who is talking rubbish is you.
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Wow, even Fauna cannot resist the fun of posting comments to her own posts, and she is siding with Kai. Cannot be like that lar. 不可以这样啦。 You must remain neutral, no matter what lar. hehe.
I am not siding with Kai. Also, there is no reason why I must be neutral. Maybe Kai writes a lot, but he does not make fake names like you do and attack other people and waste everyone’s time.
So Fauna is your name in your China Identity Card? Aren’t you fake as well? Oh yes, YOU are SIDING with him, bitch. And doing it in the most cowardly way by writing in Chinese, which is worse than using a ‘fake’ name. Dare you to do the cowardly thing to cunningly delete your and MY comments.
Shame on you smickno! You are judging too easily. If people express their point of view, you are ready to “label” them instead of engaging in fair dialogue. Fauna is entiled to her opinions like anyone else. You should thank her to be a guest “uncensored” on the blog.
@mau mai
A troll like me knows no shame. You just don’t know how to deal with trolls like me.
Contrary to what kai wrote elsewhere, one never really owns a website like your own house where you think you can chase people out of it, yet while keeping your door open 24 hours of the day.. You can pay Network Solutions Inc for the domain name, popularise it with some stories (the China gossips) which go down well with a huge number of people, let them post comments (more gossips), then invite companies to advertise and hopefully make a handsome profit from the site…well, I am getting off-tangent.
Anyway, you seem to be a newbie here and are not aware that Fauna had deleted comments she did not like before, while commenters were, for a very obvious reason, not able to delete hers. So, what I was trying to tell her was firstly, if she saw herself as a moderator, with the authority to delete comments at her whim and fancy which she did not like, then she should (being a moderator) remain neutral and not be making comments at all, and definitely not be taking sides. If she wants to post her two cents’ worth of comments, then she is taking on the role of a commenter and not a moderator, and I am sure everyone here agrees that it is impossible to both be a moderator and commenter without certain bias. As much as smickno is a troll, Fauna is not a goddess possessing any virtue I know of which is worth mentioning here. I view a moderator as a referee in a football or boxing match, who should not be taking part in it, but that is much like saying that chinasmack is becoming like what somebody said: a fight club. Some people, like you maybe, might prefer it to be an intellectual forum for people to exchange ideas in a civilised and intelligent manner. But if you were to read the comments posted on just about every topic here, you’d see that chinasmack (ie Fauna) had allowed itself to become, and be, a fight club, a club for the intellectuals, a club for the clearly stupid, a club for people to flaunt their pompous writing style and bombastic English; in short, a club for all people. Having allowed that, who is to say what’s allowed and what’s not? The moderator who is also a biased commenter, and was, indeed biased?
Secondly, she would be abusing her position as the owner of the site, if she tries so much as to extract an unfair advantage, when by joining the “debates”, she keeps her comments here for readers to see, while deleting those which challenged her arguments. Imagine a referee in a boxing match where the referee joins one of the boxers in the fight and has the POWER (and Fauna clearly is a person who is hungry for POWEE. This is not a smear but can be seen so clearly all over the site whenever and wherever she chose to open her trap) to declare one boxer the winner and the other to be kicked out of the ring. That is why smickno literally challenged her to delete his comments, which she, of course, didn’t dare to.
Are my rebuttals fair or are they shameful as you said without thinking through or because you grew a head but not a brain and weren’t able to think through anything anyway? To be sure, I think I have a qualified entitlement to post my rejoinders, as one commenter to another, and not as a commenter to the “owner” of the site who chose to be a commenter, rather than a moderator. Fauna chose to jump into the fray of the fight club but retreat in total silence when she realised she was up against someone so formidable like me, that even kai would not dare to cross sword with, after seeing how I K.O. heavyweights like fdlr and Rick in China. Of course, I shan’t be able argue with you if you were to tell me (quite correctly) that kai, fdlr and Rick are really nothing more than featherweights in the fight club, and to not be so proud of my winnings so soon because more malicious trolls are coming.
After reading your comments and reflecting it twice over to try and internalise your deeper meaning, I think you failed to grasp the overall scheme of things here, and your two cents worth of rubbish betrays a fair amount of immaturity when you tried to defend Fauna based on your own assumptions, which are flawed from the word “go”, even peppered with a little heroine worship.
mau mai, please read commenters’ posts chronologically and in context. It is shame on you indeed that you obviously didn’t do that before shooting off your mouth.
@ smickno
Thanks for your lenghty explanation. I think I can appreciate some of your points and the logic behind them. It all comes down to the rules of the game and I do like some fair rules for a civilised exchange. That´s my preference anyway. By the way, can you tell me what “troll” really means? I could´n get a satisfactory explanation with my friends.
@ Mau Mai:
Don’t mind smickno. A “troll” is someone who goes around intentionally trying to annoy, offend, or harass other people. These “trolls” usually do this for fun or for attention.
smickno has been on chinaSMACK for awhile now and most of the time goes around trying to attack and get reactions from people he has argued with in the past, including myself, FDLR, Rick in China, etc., most of the “older” visitors and commenters who have been visiting this website.
The above and below comments by smickno are just examples of him being upset that Fauna exposed him, which she has done at least one other time in another post. She’s exposed him using multiple different names/aliases on chinaSMACK to attack and harass people. She’s also exposed that he is from Singapore.
After this happened, smickno kinda got upset and called her a “bitch”, accusing her of taking sides, not being neutral, and breaking her “fiduciary duty” to protect his identity. What smickno didn’t understand was that all of our IP addresses are logged by every website. If Fauna wanted to, she could actually set up these comments to show where each and every comment originates from in the world. Quite a few blogs and forums do this, as its kinda cool to see where everyone you’re interacting with is from. I would even say his IP address wasn’t even necessary for those of us who were either paying attention to suspect he was from Singapore. He got into an argument in an old post with some Malaysian guy and has several times on this website boasted of how great Singapore is.
Anayway, most of the time, Fauna ignores smickno as have the rest of us who have learned what kind of person he is. Aside from being angry that she exposed him and complaining about his nonexistent rights on this website to harass others anonymously, he has promised to continue using multiple identities to troll, and generally continue being an asshole.
You’ll notice that one of smickno’s favorite ways of trying to get a reaction from other people is to go around claiming that he’s outwitted, defeated, etc. other commenters on this website. He also likes going around misrepresenting other people by name, trying to trick them into setting the record straight and thus getting into an argument with him.
To be absolutely fair, smickno fully admits and even boasts that he is a troll and he enjoys trolling. Also, smickno HAS made legitimate comments relevant to the actual post several times, so not ALL of his comments are purely for trolling though most are.
So, that’s a bit of history for this website. Hope it helps you put things in context. Cheers.
@kai
Wow! Are you trying to wrest the GREAT TITLE of the GREAT TROLL from me? It’ll be much too tiring to reply to your comments/description about me, 90% of which are false. I hope mau mai doesn’t believe you, but it doesn’t matter to me if she believes or not, or if she wishes to be trolled by you.
But I would gladly give you a long holiday around the world, fully paid (you stay and troll in a 6 star hotel), if you can copy and paste here, where I had so proudly boasted of how great Singapore was.
In that argument which that Malaysian guy lost (to smickno), I had put him back in his hole, telling him to not be so arrogant as to think that Malaysia is so great, when he boasted about how great Malaysia was, telling everybody that he could get himself treated for one RM (that’s Ringgit)whereas somebody was turned away in a Chinese hospital because he did not have the money to pay for his medical treatment. In a vain effort to stand up again, after being knocked down again and aagain, he went on to quote Australia, Britain and of course, Singapore…of how good their medical care were.
kai, are you suffering from an early onset of senile dementia? I noticed a few times, you don’t seem to remember what’s said by whom, and even what’s said by YOU. Or you really didn’t know that Malaysia is not Singapore, and when you saw that Malaysian guy boasting about Malaysia, you mistook him for me, and Malaysia for Singapore?
Anyway, I’d give you credit for that other 10% where you said something a little more correct. A troll is what you’ve correctly described, and based on that description, you ARE a troll. There is no point of arguing over a fact which can be determined and verified from various comments where you tried to argue with other trolls, sometimes losing and that’s when you would resort to using your usual survival tactics. Let me list a few of them here:
1. Use vulgar or quasi-vulgar words like fuck, panty twisting
2. Make generalisations, sweeping statements
3. Write long essays to try and wear out the opposing commenter(s), sometimes succeeding, but most of the time with no success in which case, you would use Tactic Number One above.
4. Make some feeble “calls” to Fauna to come to your rescue – that can be seen in a number of your various comments when you knew you were fighting a battle which you would only lose.
5. If nobody seems to agree with you, try to build a mighty army by saying “As everyone here also agrees” “As everybody knows”, “All of us kn…..”
kai, I hope you don’t mind me exposing you. I know that you are squirming there and wish that your Fauna will delete my rejoinder within 5 seconds of my posting, so nobody else gets to read it.
Do you want me to also reveal who Kai Pan really is? And I think a lot of people must be wondering why you are spending so much time here, and what is your real identity in chinasmack and CHINA?
One more thing, you seem to worship Fauna. You’ve given her too much credit. She might have learn some web-designing software, but I noticed that she is not that smart in many other things. You too.
@ Mau Mai:
See what I mean?
@ smickno:
Hm, let’s see, if I were afraid of “being exposed” by someone like you, I probably wouldn’t use my real name on all my comments here, or have it linked to the website I blog on. Unlike you, I’m secure enough with my identity and behavior as to not create fake names and sock puppets.
@kai
I’ve already exposed your style. Sorry if you are feeling hurt. But I shan’t expose you even if you allow it ‘cos if I can do that to you, I can do that to anybody else. I have more ethics than you think.
PS: I was not referring to your various blogs/comments/rubbish/trolling here and elsewhere. I was referring to WHO you are, not just kai who wrote this here and who wrote that in some other blogs/websites. But don’t worry, this is not meant to be a threat. I will respect your personal space, which is not that private really.
@kai et al
For the record, I am not biajiansi. I don’t who this guy/gal is and where he/she comes from. I am me and I enjoy trolling, that’s it. If I say you are an idiot, I am trolling. If I say you are a fool, I am serious. You are smart enough to tell the difference, but the prize for getting “Fauna” into the troll act goes to smickno. She wrote to me! She really wrote to me!!! I thought I would be ignored but I managed to draw her out!!! I succeeded. She fell right chinasmack into my game. Seems like I am the smarter one, though not so computer savvy lar. I am going on a plane to Shanghai. hehe.
Oh for crying out loud, she’s the one who trolled you, you moron. Just look at yourself.
And seriously, trying to troll at 1:00-1:30am on a Saturday night? For fuck’s sake, smickno, get a girlfriend or at least go out and grab a few beers with your pals or something. Cripes, live your life, man.
Alright, I’ve had a long night and am tired as hell. Goodnight.
You consider that a prizê? Really insignificant one to me to compete for so little. Fauna is not a game…she is just Fauna: mysterious and yet real “behind the internet curtains”
Oh for the love of God has no one realized yet? Kai IS Fauna.
@Tommy
Are you sure? This is the first time I hear that…in which case, she is hiding behind two code names. Do you have proof for your afirmation?
Mau Mai:
http://i42.tinypic.com/2zgg1vk.jpg
@Tommy
No, kai is not Fauna. kai is kai. He has a short Chinese dick. Fauna is Fauna. She is very beautiful and she unhappily and regretfully married a westerner. To get an idea of who Fauna is, read her “diary” in the post “China does not have any man suitable for me”
LOL! How cute, a conspiracy theory!
@ Kai
Thank you for your explanation on the term “troll”> Now I can say that I detest trolling while I appreciate opinions and fair discussion. Well, this is an open market anyway…like going for a walk and you find a bit of everything.
@mau mai
Do yourself a favour. You understood the word ‘prize” too literally, and don’t seem to know what a figure of speech is, in English. I don’t usually find fault with typo errors. I made them too…all the time. But yours clearly demonstrated an utter lack of proficiency in the language.
BTW, Fauna might be mysterious to you, but I know who she is, eh? Go read that post on “Shanghai does not have any man suitable for me” She is there. But she is very beautiful indeed, and I am thrilled over all that SHE replied to me. I am no eargerly waiting for her next reply or deletion. Either way, she is giving me a response. hehe. But you can be sure that kai will be rolling about in his grave.
Even as a figure of “speach” I find really shallow your concept of “attracting” Fauna. But you have your own way of looking at things which you are entitled to. If she is the “lady of the article” you mentioned, that I don´t know the basis for it.
@mau mai
Why shallow? Are you jealous? Fauna is beautiful!!!!
By the way, I wouldn’t use the word lady as in “lady of the article” Not all men are gentlemen, and not all women are ladies. Some women are bitches, and seeing that you are allergic to certain things, I shall revise it to “woman of the article”
Yes, I also don’t know the “basis for it”, BUT I KNOW. mau mai, from the way you wrote, you seemed very young
@kai
Wow! Are you trying to wrest the GREAT TITLE of the GREAT TROLL from me? It’ll be much too tiring to reply to your comments/description about me, 90% of which are false. I hope mau mai doesn’t believe you, but it doesn’t matter to me if she believes or not, or if she wishes to be trolled by you.
But I would gladly give you a long holiday around the world, fully paid (you stay and troll in a 6 star hotel), if you can copy and paste here, where I had so proudly boasted of how great Singapore was.
In that argument which that Malaysian guy lost (to smickno), I had put him back in his hole, telling him to not be so arrogant as to think that Malaysia is so great, when he boasted about how great Malaysia was, telling everybody that he could get himself treated for one RM (that’s Ringgit)whereas somebody was turned away in a Chinese hospital because he did not have the money to pay for his medical treatment. In a vain effort to stand up again, after being knocked down again and aagain, he went on to quote Australia, Britain and of course, Singapore…of how good their medical care were.
kai, are you suffering from an early onset of senile dementia? I noticed a few times, you don’t seem to remember what’s said by whom, and even what’s said by YOU. Or you really didn’t know that Malaysia is not Singapore, and when you saw that Malaysian guy boasting about Malaysia, you mistook him for me, and Malaysia for Singapore?
Anyway, I’d give you credit for that other 10% where you said something a little more correct. A troll is what you’ve correctly described, and based on that description, you ARE a troll. There is no point of arguing over a fact which can be determined and verified from various comments where you tried to argue with other trolls, sometimes losing and that’s when you would resort to using your usual survival tactics. Let me list a few of them here:
1. Use vulgar or quasi-vulgar words like fuck, panty twisting
2. Make generalisations, sweeping statements
3. Write long essays to try and wear out the opposing commenter(s), sometimes succeeding, but most of the time with no success in which case, you would use Tactic Number One above.
4. Make some feeble “calls” to Fauna to come to your rescue – that can be seen in a number of your various comments when you knew you were fighting a battle which you would only lose.
5. If nobody seems to agree with you, try to build a mighty army by saying “As everyone here also agrees” “As everybody knows”, “All of us kn…..”
kai, I hope you don’t mind me exposing you. I know that you are squirming there and wish that your Fauna will delete my rejoinder within 5 seconds of my posting, so nobody else gets to read it.
Do you want me to also reveal who Kai Pan really is? And I think a lot of people must be wondering why you are spending so much time here, and what is your real identity in chinasmack and CHINA?
One more thing, you seem to worship Fauna. You’ve given her too much credit. She might have learn some web-designing software, but I noticed that she is not that smart in many other things. You too.
Let´s make the Admins of this site happier and produce more traffic and revenue for him so he can stay longer in China and bang more KTV pussies: If The Passengers On The Titanic Were Chinese…they would first of all blame the waiguoren (there is only one country besides zhonguo and that is WAIGUO) for their misery. Then they would die all and not even make it to the safe boats because everyone would trample down everyone.
Don´t they do it even in “non-critical” situations like the Metro? Before they all sink down they will unleash their few atomic rockets to take as much of waiguo with them they can to revenge the Opium War, 170 years ago.
the final scene is a sinking Titanic aka China with crying and spitting chinese who once more praise their superior culture and curse Waiguo for not having adopted their 5000 years old spitting culture and still keeping them responsible for the sinking even if the water enters their lungs.
Then the great silence of the ocean of time. A great cruiser who could have reached its destination fucked up because of its stone age people who wanted to be something they are not.
i wish i was bangin some ktv girls right now. those were the days.
What happened to that fcukdaluren guy; there’s a whole community of these jaded foreigners that go there with some kind of expectation. And its always some dumb incident to make them all bitter.
Before even the ‘chinese’ titanic sinks. All the things preceding it would have led to so much bs.
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I rest my case
Yeah I miss fcukdaluren, those were the more civil days.
there’s a whole community of these jaded chinese in foreign lands that go there with some kind of expectation and out of opportunism. And its always some dumb incident to make them all bitter and crying and feel extremly inferior.
Wow, sorry i snapped you Kai, i was annoyed that day, i just wanted to say that your posts are long and therefore some people may skip them. BTW Fauna your site is simply amazing. And Kai, i enjoy reading you but don’t be so sensitive to criticism.
baijiansi, I’m about as sensitive to criticism as anyone else is, but I believe I was quite civil in my response to you. At most, I was curt, but I stuck to the point: You’re aware that I’m aware of what other people think of my lengthier comments, and that some people won’t bother reading. Therefore, it is unnecessary to belabor the point as I felt you were doing, especially since Fauna just recently and so definitively berated myself and others over the issue already.
Insofar as you did snap at me (which you admit) by insinuating something about how I see myself, I did emphatically ask you to just get over it. I see you understand and it’s cool we can respect each other over this. There are far more interesting things to discuss here than the length of one inconsequential guy’s comments, right? Cheers.
@Kai
You are talking. Telling me off at 3.11 am for trolling at 1.00 to 1.30 am.
As for your advice to find a girlfriend, you know, China does not have any suitable woman for me.
smickno, I’ll allow myself to risk one friendly jab at you and hope it doesn’t get deleted by Fauna:
I think the common expression is “You’re one to talk” and not the awkward “You are talking.”
You don’t go out much, do you? Sure, getting home at 3:00am may not be as “partying all night” as coming home at 6-7am following a post-party late-night snack/breakfast at City Diner…but I’m getting old, man, and I just don’t have the stamina for it. I also woke up far earlier than I would’ve preferred for what should’ve been a lazy Saturday.
My point remains that you should save your trolling for your weekdays when you’re trying to look busy at work. On the weekends, try to enjoy the nightlife, man, because you don’t need to wake up so early the day after.
Oh, and didn’t you say you were from Singapore or something? Your speech patterns are similar, and I recall you having a bit of a tiff with some Malaysian guy on some other post where you expounded at length about how great Singapore is. Have you come to China to find a girlfriend? A lot of female friends have a love-hate relationship with Singaporean men, similar to the relationship they have with Taiwanese and Hong Konge men, but that’s a topic for another time.
Cheers.
How can we expect them to act in the middle of the ocean when a ship is sinking when they can’t save themselves or each other 20m from the shore of the yangpu in a Passat?
@kai
Here I am again on a Sunday night. By the way, how did you know I did not go out on Saturday and came back (earlier than you) to post my comments?
And no, I had never said I was from Singapore, and I had never “expounded at length about how great Singapore is.” I wonder where you read that. But I did put that Malaysian guy in his place when in the Chinese Hospital article, he posted his “we Malaysians are not like you Chinese” comments. Subtext: We Malaysians are better than you Chinese. If the “tiff”, as you call it, had continued, I might have quoted the latest news I read two days ago about how some Malaysian company was passing off poison as medicine.
Anyway, I decided along the way to stop “attacking” that fellow, when I somehow sensed that he was probably a high school boy. He was definitely less well read than I, and I have no wish to “bully” a school boy. Would you? Just let him grow up. And you are right: the style is the same because the author of those comments of yester-months and the one writing to you now is the same. There is only one smickno, eh?
I am curious you asked me if I came to China to look for a girlfriend. Is it because of my writing tongue-in-cheek “China does not have any suitable woman for me” Don’t you know that I am a troll? Mamma mia.
you guys are pathetic!
you fucking anglosaxons and angloamericans and chinese. you both are the cancer of this world. fuck you both and your fucking complexes. you are both hard to stand and your fucking english shit will pull us all into a fucking world war. chinese+anglosaxon yankese=cancer of the world.
Wow! I have never seen such a friendly thread.
Veerleft hit the nail on the haed. I wasn’t being critical or derogatory towards Chinese in my previous post it just seems from anecdotal evidence a suprisingly low percentage of the Chinese population can swim, especially in the landlocked provinces.
typo – head
I dont think anyone would give a fuck if the passengers were chinese.
AaronC: Exactly. WTF? Chinese are just a small piece in wht world puzzle. Why make big story of it?
all the chinese and obc’s on this site r complete twats arent they?
even the dickhead that owns the site uses chinese when hes offended (on an english langauge blog)
what utter twats!
guess having a tiny penis does that……..hahhahahaa
What a disgusting and vulgar empty way of talking! Unfortunately, You show what you are by the way you talk.
@Mau Mai
I don’t think it is disgusting. If disgusitng is the word to use, YOU are the one who is disgusting, chimate.
Don´t get to personal Smickno. If you know my view, as I see you did consider it, You know that vulgar language may be offensive to many. And perhaps many do not have the gut to say it or they became callous to it all, or insensitive. I think it doesn´t help to come out with a nasty word just to make an impression or to shock a reader.
@mau mai
You should be telling kai all these. But I stand on kai’s side anyway, even though we know he is a SOB.
@mau mai
By the way, that “fuckyou” guy is not me, eh? Everytime I jump into the fray, some stupid PEOPLE will assume that I was the earlier writer, and using all kinds of fake names to troll. It happened when kai lost in an argument with baijiansi, and all of a sudden, some people, including Fauna, assumed that I (smickno) was baijiansi, using a fake name.
smickno, sigh, neither Fauna nor I ever said or assumed you were baijiansi. The only person who assumed you and baijiansi were one and the same was yourself.
Hang on…how can a person assume he himself is another person?
Heh, Tommy, my bad. I was trying to say that smickno was the only person who assumed Fauna or I thought he and baijiansi were one and the same.
Aren’t you learning anything from the most recent events?
Here’s how it would go:
The Titanic ship would sink, then Chinese rescue boats would gather around it and watch it sink and do nothing. And someone would send a mass mail (the equivalent of youku back then) to all the world.
And then people would comment about how crazy this event is and how selfish and irresponsible Chinese people are.
Deja Vu…
@mau mai, smickno, kai
I lost 4kg in two week, using wii fit.
@krdr
Congratulations. I am still trying to lose 4 gram (forget about 4 kg) without success.
Surprising news…Is that a new diet you are trying? I never new you had a weight problem. Anyway, congratulations!
Now, I’ll put a shoe on my head
“Every nationality has their own deep rooted bad habits; do not think the foreigners are that good. In fact when you really did go to foreign countries you will discover, that actually they are not what you think they are.”
I think this comment is quite well. Every nationality has their own deep rooted bad habits,i am definitely agree with it.