From Sina:
Yesterday, Nanyang City resident Ren Chaoji held in his hand a 1,900 RMB fine ticket, planning to apply for administrative reconsideration. The ticket was written out by internet police on September 12, with the reason: “Computer contains downloaded copy of a pornographic video.”
28-year-old Ren Chaoji and fellow Nanyang City Li Jin are business partners, the two of them having opened a car parts shop in a Nanyang shopping mall. August 18, internet police from a branch under the Nanyang Public Security Bureau came to the store, saying Li Jin’s computer was suspected of spreading reactionary (negative) information, and must be checked. To help facilitate doing business, in April of this year, Ren Chaoji brought his own computer from home, and at the time was also placed in the store.
Ren Chaoji said, the internet police at the time also checked his computer, after discovering that he had downloaded a pornographic video, they seized the host computer. Ren Chaoji says that the video was downloaded from the internet in November 2007, is about 30 minutes long. At that time, he had not yet gotten married, did not disseminate, also did not let others watch, was solely out of curiosity, and afterwards forgot to delete.
September 12, Ren Chaoji received the police’s letter of punishment decision, saying “routine inspection uncovered computer with downloaded copy of pornographic video,” deciding that Ren Chaoji should be given “a warning sentence of 1,900 yuan fine” . To this, Ren Chao Ji said he would apply for administrative reconsideration, saying that although him watching pornographic video is wrong, he said he watched it alone, did not disseminate, and he did not cause any serious problems, like a husband and wife at home watching a pornographic movie, whether it is illegal or not should be considered. He said, “The fine is too much, if I was fined 500 yuan, I could accept it.”
The Nanyang Municipal Public Security Bureau based its punishment on “Computer Information Network and Internet Security Management”, Article 5, item 6 and Article 20.
Article 5, item 6:
No work unit or individual may use of the domestic internet for the production, reproduction, access, and dissemination of “promoting feudal superstition, obscenity, pornography, gambling, violence, homicide, terrorism, and abetting crime.”
Article 20:
Violation of one of the acts listed in Article 5, public security authorities are to give a warning, those that have made illegal gains shall have those gains confiscated, individuals may be fined no more than 5000 yuan, work units may be fined no more than 15,000 yuan.
A Nanyang law firm is attempting to argue that Ren Chaoji should not be solely responsible for the crime, but that the site which published the video should be held accountable.
There was also a poll. Here are the poll results (as of 08/09/21, 4:45pm):
What do you think of a man at home downloading an obscene video being fined 1900 RMB? (63,606 votes)
Oppose, this man did not illegally disseminate or assemble a crowd to watch the obscene video, the impact was not big, so this punishment is obviously excessive.
96.03% (60,968 votes)
Support, downloading and watching obscene videos is misbehavior, virtually also supporting the dissemination of obscene videos, the police fine is reasonable.
2.28% (1,449 votes)
Not sure.
1.68% (1068 votes)
Comments on MSN/MySpace.cn:
If 30 minutes results in a 1900 fine, then my fine would be 19 Million American dollars large; my upper bunk brother would be fined 4000 million, at its peak the fine would be enough to substitute America’s national debt to us.
Congratulations, our police comrades just got more income.
If they were serious, they should go shut down that criminal website [where the pornographic movie was downloaded], instead of always picking on the common people.
I bet after a while downloading movies, mp3s, and the like will result in fines up to several tens of thousands of RMB.
Strange, than why don’t they go catch a few of those real people visiting prostitutes?
Quickly must destroy all 1000+ movies I have, otherwise who knows how much money I will be fined???
Crap, according to this I should be executed by firing squad! I have over 100 GBs!
Comments on Tianya:
Motherfuckers, those internet police at night are more yellow and more violent.
Give every internet surfing man a fine…what the fuck~
These pig-raised police, if they have never seen an adult video, then they must have grown up drinking Sanlu.
Wonderful China, anything possible can happen.
Truly amazing.
Chinese people, we don’t even have the right to watch pornography!?
My hard disk is now worth something, one 30 minute video is probably about 200MB, 1900 yuan. 100GB, 500X200, 1900X500 = about 1,000,000, I am going to be rich…
We no longer even have the right to watch porn, forcing us to watch CCAV.
Mad for money.
An amazing country, where prostitution is almost motherfucking legalized, but watching porn is illegal.
Nothing is impossible…
Fuck…if I get investigated for this, I will not be able to pay off this fine even in my next life!
Dammit, my computer was also checked by the police at the Hangzhou train station. Just next to the train station, there as a street full of “shampoo shops”, but instead of checking them, they check my computer. It really is incomprehensible.
“Shampoo shops” are stores that look like hair salons but the girls inside are actually prostitutes. You can identify them because they usually have a pink/purple light and the sexy-dressed girls sit in front of the store to attract customers.
You could say to that internet police: your father and mother also act in porn, if not how would you be born? Shouldn’t you also be fined several tens of thousands of bucks?
If “lou zhu’s” hard drive had CCAV’s Xinwen Lianbo, who knows maybe the police would have rewarded you 1900 yuan.
This protagonist is really foolish, if nothing else works just say you watch educational videos and everything would have been okay.
One of my friends opened a KTV. The police often come to “inspect.” Once they arrive, they want the best private rooms, they call the most pretty young girls, and after they have eaten and played, they pat their butts and leave. Ordinary people watch a little porn, jack off, and get fined. What kind of motherfucking society is this?
If this is really the case, selling my house won’t be enough to cover the fine……
Everyone, goodbye! After this, I am going to destroy my computer, my DVDs, and blind my two eyes. Good bye~~~Oh, one more thing, should I also cut off my penis while I am at it?
Police are the thugs, the government is the mafia.
Public servants find ways to take money from the pockets of ordinary people! Now there is even no right to watch porn!
They interfere with the sky above you, the ground below you, and in between, they interfere with your genitals!
Haha, it is interesting!
Amazing China, every day a pleasant surprise.
It is over.
I better delete quickly.
Otherwise, all my wages until I am 60 will be fined.
I admit: I’m guilty!
Fuck, when I went to university, this would be every guy in my class (girls do not count), enough to be executed by the firing squad three times.
In the future, to make love to your wife at home you’ll need a marriage certificate hung around your neck to avoid arrest.
Thinking of the 80-something [1989] year crackdown, are today’s common people living too comfortably? What is fining 1900 RMB for watching porn? 20 years ago just saying something perverted on the street would get you shot.
Comments from Mop (closed/deleted):
After calculations, if Bill Gates gave me all his money it wouldn’t be enough.
Motherfuckers, if they can, they should try to fine me, they only know how to bully those without experience. I have 30GB saved, come and try to find the several hundred GB I watched enough of and deleted.
If the internet cops investigate me, I’ll immediately burn down the house, the financial loss would still be cheaper [than the fine].
If they went to check the university boys dormitories, I bet China’s male college students would become extinct! NB!
This post will become hot, leave your name, Nothing is safe now, milk powder, milk, pork, surfing the net is all unsafe!
Where’s the next Yang hero?
This refers to Yang Jia, the Shanghai cop-killer.
What kind of stupid law is this. If I watch porn, what stupid business is it of their’s…
If he can say he has never watched porn before, then fuck it, if he can he should not go fuck girls anymore, leave home and go become a monk.
First time I ever heard this! ~~
Fuck it. Watch, get a fine. Visit prostitutes, get a fine. Watch, get arrested. Visit prostitutes, get arrested. Fuck, the way I see it, I might as well motherfucking just go rape.
Can the internet police simply search anyone’s computer??? This way a handsome bachelor, just because he downloaded a video to masturbate, you will fine? Is there still any law of the land?? Is there still any law!!!
Shit…did these police drink Sanlu?
No more quarreling, be careful of the internet police coming to close this topic~~~
The rich go out and play!!! Those without money watching videos at home get fined???
Loading ...08/09/27 UPDATE: The police have “decided to withdraw” Ren Chaoji’s 1900 RMB fine after many netizens and media reported the story. However, they said it is only because it was Ren Chaoji’s first time breaking this law and not because the law is or the police were wrong. – Fauna
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Wow, this is a case of a computer being at the wrong place at the wrong time…yet the police never really cracks down on actual prostitution and human trafficking, misplaced priority…
The police are retarded. Unless the depicted video was of underage performers, this should be a non issue. You have approximately 50million more men than women in this country. You do the math. Gotta do a bit of wacking as a regular young man. This is ridiculous …
ATTICA! ATTICA!
Does anyone notice that in the second picture JingJing and ChaCha have identical faces except for ChaCha’s eyelashes?
I recommend uncyclopedia’s page on “很黄很暴力”
http://tinyurl.com/5xthbj
I would vote No in your poll, but I don’t think the website should be prosecuted either.
1900 Yuan is not that bad of a fine considering could be worse – PS those cartoon police drive me crazy they are both cute and scary ;iits like you have a friendly cartoon spying on you
1900 is bad for someone that makes 1000 or less a month.
I’d also vote no, but I don’t think the website should be prosecuted either.
Commie dogs wil forever be commie dogs.
this is truly happened in Nanyang , Henan province, China. not only once but many many times before. Just this case was exposed by media . The average salary of Nanyang people is about 800 RMB per month, so 1900RMB is not a small sum of Money. The policemen’s logic is ” If I don’t stop you watching porn video, then you probably could go further, like spread or rape etc more serious crime ” all of us know their real purpose is for “Money” nothing else. After cctv 2 ( china central television no.2 channel) comment it as ” unduly adopt regulations “. The policemen in Nanyang still refuse to accept the authoritative conclusion. As a matter of fact, they always go to the citizen’s home without any ” inspection license” and take away the computers freely, say ” you download and watched the negative information , you are fined “
Stupid logic….I’ve watched porn and NEVER raped anyone, haha.
Porn is degrading the chinese government is protecting the image and perceptions on women,,,,,that man shoulda been arrested
Why is porn degrading?
If you don’t like it, don’t watch it.
How is video depicting sex between 2 consenting adults, one male and one female degrading to WOMEN?
He should be able to watch what he wants. The Police are intruding into the mans bedroom. This is between himself and PALMela …
This is the kind of nonsense that pisses off the lao bai xing and leads to widespread distrust of and low sympathy for the (local) government.
porn is degrading because it puts women into a position of becoming a sex object…men are the majority that watch these pornstars degrading themselves and allowing men to ejaculate in their FACES!!!! how is this not degrading men who watch porn percieve women to be little whores like those they see on the screen,,,,these perceptions are brought into the real world and cause assault and rape
Aren’t the brothels in China more degrading than porn movies?!?!
It is just silly. It is police way to show that they are doing something. I believe that there’s an informer who informed police to take some kind of revenge.
Fine is hilarious. 1900 is big fine for anyone who have salary less than 20000. Community and charity work is more effective.
So, as long as porn isn’t degrading to women, it’s ok, right?
Gay porn is totally OK, correct?
What about slutty TV stars? They’re sex objects, basically.
Breast implants are legal, magazines filled with bikini wearing women are legal.
In theory, anything that a woman does where she works for a man could be called degrading to women. Just like how some would call it degrading for a man to work for a woman, others would say it was degrading for a woman to work for a man.
You just have to deal with the fact that people make their own decisions and you can’t always make them for them.
If you really think it’s degrading, then go tell the person it’s degrading to.
It isn’t degrading to my wife that some other guy shot his load on his girlfriend’s face. It’s degrading to that particular woman.
And porn does not cause rape. Rape has been around for THOUSANDS of years.
“You just have to deal with the fact that people make their own decisions and you can’t always make them for them.”
Not very Chinese!
@Lu xuang
You are totally right. Rape and assault did not exist until pornography existed. There was never any rape until the internet started pushing millions of pornographic videos into innocent loving men’s minds, turning them into Beasts who regard women as whores. [/sarcasm off]
I think cavemen used to look at a woman, get a boner, grab a stick, smack them on the head, and drag them back to their caves for a few seconds of hard dry penetration. Porn lets caveman sit at home, look at a woman, get a boner, grab his own stick, furiously rub one out, and neatly spooge into a tissue for a quick cleanup and avoid any necessary time investment in dealing with the angry head-achy cave-woman.
Women adore porn. It’s saving their heads from being bonked (as often). Unless they’re really, really hard up ugly ones, they love to complain about porn, they’re thinking that each kleenex that gets filled up is one less opportunity for them to be…
@Lu Xuang (and whosoever who claims that ‘porn objectifies women’)
Porn can’t objectify women. Women in the porn business knew exactly what they were getting into. It’s business as usual for them.
Women have their own porn too – romance novels. Those things get their panties wet in contrast to the men who are much more visually stimulated.
Oh, you can’t ‘objectify’ women – women, like men, animals, plants, tables and chairs, are objects in the first place. ‘Object’ is defined as a ‘tangible and visible entity’ or ‘a thing with a physical existence’. Look it up dictionaries yourself.
The set phrase ‘objectify women’ started with the femnazi BS movement intended to foster political correctness and guilt-trip any heterosexual man and his healthy interest in sex or the sexuality of women. If you believed this ‘porn = objectifies women’ nonsense, then the feminazi indoctrination in your education system has worked its magic on you.
And no government should be the arbiter of ‘morality’ or ‘decency’ – least of all the Chinese commie government. No one wants to hear a prostitute preach about the goodness of chastity. Get your damn milk powder problem solved first before attempting to trumpet the virtues of policing the Internet.
Preach to us about chastity please, pinko sons of Mao. Yes the same Mao who ritualistically deflowered scores of underage virgins.
Tons of women LIKE getting the man-juice in their mouth or on their face. Just like tons of men like licking women.
You who protest are either virgins or prudes.
Chinese people hate sex….and they also have the world’s largest population!
How does that work??
Dear China Smack,
Thanks for your blog – always fascinating.
Could you please explain the meaning of the first picture, please ?
Thanks a lot
@Pro sex dudes from above
Sex is no different from taking drugs. A nervous system stimulation. Sex is suppose to give you pleasure only as an evolutionary incentive to reproduce. Now people exploit it and abuse this process to stimulate their nerves. You only support pornography and try to justify it morally, simply because you like to jack off or something. Yet you act like hypocrites who think they still have the moral authority to criticize those who don’t support porn. Really, you are like those weed activists who come up with stupid moral justification for legalization of weed to serve their self interests and acting as if they are fighting for people’s rights.
To comment on the actual post and clarify, I thought this fine is overly harsh and only selectively enforced because of local corruption.
So, are you an anti-sex dude?
@Veer Left
Please show proof that Mao is a sex crazed maniac. Refrain from making stupid claims.
Read “The Private Life of Chairman Mao” by 李志绥.
Oh wait, you can’t because it is BANNED in China.
Hi petit bonheur,
Here is a good English summary for 很黄很暴力 (hen huang hen bao li, very yellow, very violent). Thank you for your compliments.
@ Haha:
Mao was a nifty guy, but he wasn’t perfect. His appetite for sex is pretty well known. You can start with this Time article: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,975036,00.html
Google “Mao sex” or other relevant keywords and you should be able to find other results too. Saying Mao was a “sex crazed maniac” is not exactly a stupid claim, but I understand when people prefer to dismiss anything negative as some sort of Western conspiracy. Seriously, though, Mao was not a saint just as Deng, another “great leader,” was not tall. Even great people have their shortcomings.
@Haha
You totally don’t understand the concept of freedom, do you?
It’s not about fighting to make something legal so you can aggressively take part in it yourself. At least, not for many. It’s about making something legal in order to give people a CHOICE to decide for themselves what they think is right for them. GET IT?
I don’t think so, let me clarify.
Some men support pro-choice (ie abortion). They do not support pro-choice so they can go get themselves impregnated by their angry boyfriends who refused to wear condoms, then to satisfy themselves and take part in their greedy hedonistic ways, scrape the egg out of their rectums.
——
@Mao Sex
Kai..you’re implying having sexual appetite is a negative/shortcoming, come on man, like you don’t dip into the porn every once in a while too ;)
@ Rick in China:
LoL, no no no, being a “Great Communist Leader” admonishing my people to refrain from sexual intimacy while privately having my men procure innumerable fresh virgins to satiate my sexual appetite is a negative thing and a shortcoming of Mao because of its hypocrisy and exploitation.
Simply having a sexual appetite is not wrong in of itself, and I’m quite the red-blooded healthy male in that regard, brother man. ;)
Very goog link. Thanks a lot Fauna.
In China you get fined for watching porn but the nearest prostitute is only a few blocks away.
In America you get fined for visiting a prostitute but the nearest porn store is only a few blocks away.
Pretty silly all the way around.
The commies better watch themselves. There are 30 million Chinese virgins. They don’t want a bunch of 30 million virgins ass raped them.
Wow, chinasmack is awesome. This is such a great concept for a website!
The best comment on this article is the one by Gaoshan. End of story.
I got 60G of porn(mostly japanese teen stuff) on my harddrive, should I sell my kidney????
:lol:
I’m only at 55gb, pretty much all Asian and mostly Japanese.
Why is there no poll-option:
[x] nobody should be fined at all.
Well, you guys have to stop going to the Internet Cafe to do that naughty thing.
Protip:
Buy a large magnent.
You can have anything you could ever want on a computer, when you hear the police outside, give your computer a good swipe with it. All data gone, end of story.
“If 30 minutes results in a 1900 fine, then my fine would be 19 Million American dollars large; my upper bunk brother would be fined 4000 million, at its peak the fine would be enough to substitute America’s national debt to us.”
^ amazing!
@HAHA I am a weed activist. Call me stupid, bendan. I’ll run circles around your tired, ignorant, outmoded, outdated, and just plain wrong ideas without even opening Google.
First of all, if I was only interested in serving my self-interest, I’d be busy quietly smoking weed, not advocating for legalization. It’s not like it’s hard to find. It’s not like taxes would make it cheaper.
It is all about my personal freedom. You may not understand. I’ll put it plainly: It’s none of your fucking business what I’m doing as long as I’m not hurting anyone. Period. Kan shenme kan, sha bi?
Not all drug users are criminals. Not all porn watchers are rapists. In fact, stop worrying so much about what we’re doing to ourselves and you might suddenly find your police have enough time to actually stop criminals and rapists from hurting someone else.
Secondly, Mao was a sex maniac. It is very well documented if you are outside the firewall (and actually bother looking).
General Peng Dehuai complained publicly about having to pimp for him. Mao’s doctor Li Zhisui blatantly said he was, and I quote from his book, “a sex maniac”.
Take your dollar for your posts and move along. You might find your idiotic and xenophobic comments get more play on one of the censored mainland forums. k thx bye.
I am amused by the sheer number of people who signed the blog to defend their right to look at porn, by god!
If only we could get citizens of the universe to be this inflamed about real issues!
Found your blog just now very cool!
Let me rephrase what I meant.
It is sad that we have to waste time defending our right to view porn in a country where people like to joke about being so yellow.
My latest project was to defend a man who could serve 30 years for selling cocaine. You expect to have to defend against drug charges.
However, porn seems like such a minor offence. It’s funny and sad…
I’m not sure which blog you think you found. I am creating a new one with some pictures for my college application.
It will be done in a day or two. I will share the location at that time.
K O U?
lol
Strange country….Watching porn is a big crime, going to prostitute is not a crime…This is China…