From Tianya:
Last month, there was an migrant worker who fell down from upstairs and suffered multiple bruises and lacerations to his face. He went to many hospitals, but none of them would stitch him up. So he was transferred to our hospital. The patient only had 200 yuan with him, but I sutured him anyway. The suturing lasted 2 hours. He was treated through inpatient care after the surgery for more than 10 days, and the cost of his medical bills was 2,000 yuan. His boss was a relative, and he came to see the patient many times but he did not give him any money for hospital expenses. By the way, this patient appeared in the local newspaper by the second day he was in our hospital!
Later on, he owed the hospital 800 yuan. Three days ago, he snuck out of the hospital. The next day, I went to the construction site to look for him. I could not find him so I asked those who were are in charge of the construction site to help me find him. Today, I was told that there was no such person at that construction site. The patient probably lied to me, and was not from that construction site.
I was stunned at the moment. I looked up the patient’s hospital register form. The telephone number he provided was not a local number, and his address was: Guanzhuang Village, Xianhe, Xunyang County, Ankang, Shanxi Province. I called the number, and I was told there was no such person in the village.
While I was looking up the contact information from the internet, I realized that the Tiger Zhou incident had a connection to Xunyang County. I did not understand, could it be that people from this place all like to cheat people?
As a doctor, I had worked hard to stitch up his injuries in hopes of restoring him to his previous state. He himself was very satisfied with the outcome of the surgery. However, him running away without paying like this, what am I supposed to do?
There was another patient before him that did not pay, and the hospital had deducted 3 months salary from me. With this patient escaping, the hospital will continue to deduct my salary. I have been working for 3 years, but the amount of my savings is only several thousand RMB! Isn’t this a third level A class hospital? The Department of Surgery?
Sometimes I understand why Lu Xun gave up being a doctor.
The sickness of Chinese people can not be cured. Their disease is not of the bodies, but of their thinking!
Xunyang County of Shanxi Province, I bet this country is doomed to remain a poor county!
Lu Xun (1881-1936) is a well-known author in China. When he was studying medicine in Japan, he was angry to see some “soul-sick” Chinese people laughing with Japanese when the Japanese insulted Chinese. He gave up his dream of being a doctor, and began to write articles to “wake up China”.
Comments from Tianya:
A doctor cannot have too much sympathy.
Migrant workers indeed deserve our sympathy, but doctors also have old parents and young kids to feed.
At the time, why didn’t you think twice about why so many hospitals didn’t take him?
To cure people and save lives are indeed doctors’ duties, but doctors need to protect themselves and feed themselves first.
P.S.: Tianya BBS is a paradise for those who despise doctors. You might get viciously beaten [verbally abused] here.
Responding to the above comment, the original poster wrote:
I later thought the same thing: Why did so many hospitals not take him? Was this thing that happened to me a real version of “The Farmer and The Snake“?
This fu*king migrant worker really deserves to be beat up. His child is 17 years old. I said to the child again and again: Wash your father’s clothes, they are so dirty. More than 20 days later, his father was still wearing those same clothes.
I said I sympathize with him, that he was a migrant worker, that it was not easy coming here from Shan’xi to work, and earning money is tough. Other people use 0/5 thread for stitches on the face. I used 0/6 which can be absorbed by the skin just to stitch the cracked wound perfectly.
I spent over 2 hours, and he was very satisfied with the outcome of the surgery. How could he just run away? I didn’t charge him for taking out the stitches or reapplying medicine, just because I felt sympathy for him as a migrant worker. How could he just run away?
He said his boss was a relative. Kao! A relative would not pay several hundred kuai for him? What kind of dof fart relative is that? Head of a construction business, a millionaire, didn’t pay 800 kuai for him?? You flee without telling, and even deceived me! The name was fake, the address was fake, the work place was fake, how come your fu*king gender was not fake?
You just left, and you don’t have to worry about anything. However, the hospital is about to deduct my salary. The benefit I could gain from giving you treatment was 100 kuai, but I am left to pay 800 kuai! I say, you migrant worker from Guanzhuang Village, Xianhe, Xunyang County, Ankang, Shan’xi Province…you are fu*king disgusting!
There is nothing you can do. Migrant workers don’t have medical insurance.
Poor LZ. This is a apathetic society. Your sympathetic heart will eventually be destroyed by deception and betrayal. You will eventually become the iron-hearted “black doctor” that people attack. Just who do we blame for all of this?
Actually, do not look at him as a migrant worker, you are indeed the “farmer”! It’s not easy for them to make money, so money is more important than morality in their eyes. Even if you used a lot of energy/strength to heal him, he does not think of how you healed him, but rather how much money you have made from him.
I had the same dream of curing patients and saving lives when I just graduated. I too did not care about how much money I could make for myself. I too thought of how I could save money for patients as much as possible. But reality educated me again and again.
LZ is so sad that he has almost become Xianglinsao [Xianglinsao is a figure in the author Lu Xun's short novel "Blessings", she kept repeating her sad story again and again to people to get sympathy and attention]. Hehe. However, a good heart will eventually be rewarded. Maybe that migrant worker really did not have any money. He might feel guilty deep down in his heart. If he was reported by the local newspaper, why not use the media to find him?
In the future, without paying, even if they are dying, do not save them. About those “hookers” ["hookers" refers to "journalists" here, in Chinese, the first character for "hooker" sounds the same as the first character for "journalist"], do not worry about what they say/think. If they want to blame someone, blame the government for not having a perfect medical insurance system.
LZ is a victim of the social system. The medical system of China results in people’s resentment of hospitals and doctors. Most people can’t afford to be sick, because they can’t afford the medical bills. There are very few doctors like LZ who don’t overcharge for medical treatment. Most doctors are living a life of middle class by the “black hearted” money they make. Doctors are in a strong social position in China. So, even though you had lost 800 Yuan, not many people will give you their sympathy. All in all, it is due to an inefficient system. Civilians can’t afford to see doctors so they leave hospitals. Doctors with a good conscience can’t make any money, and are forced to become “black hearted” doctors.
I had a similar experience. I did radiotherapy for a patient who has nasopharyngeal carcinoma. His family had some money, but during the earthquake all their houses collapsed. He kept promising that he would pay. So I started the radiotherapy, but he was not able to pay during the process. I thought the process had already started, and he deserved my sympathy as a victim of the earthquake (the earthquake just happened at the time). I signed for him to continue the radiotherapy process. Now the therapy is finished, and I called him to ask him to pay. At first he would answer the phone, but later on he didn’t. Alas, I learned my lesson. This is the medical care situation of China. I have pity on patients, but who have pity on me?
The migrant worker got his face hurt, you just did a suture for him, and you made him stay in the hospital and charged him 2,000+. Does any hospital still have humanity left nowadays? People who didn’t escape are pigs waiting for you guys to kill them~
In such a world, it is so difficult to be a good person!
That’s why Lu Xun gave up his career of a doctor to write articles to wake up Chinese!
To cure people can save their lives, but when people’s minds and thoughts are destroyed, no matter how hard you try to save them, there is no use!
I can tell right away LZ is a newbie. Now the rules are: no money, no medicine; not enough money, no arrangement for surgery; no payment, stop providing medicine. To those who wil not pay but still want treatment, we usually say our hospital is not good enough to give them treatment, and transfer them to the higher hospital.
I studied medicine. Five years undergraduate, three years graduate, paid incalculable tuition, fought my head off to get a job, every week working six and a half days, five yuan for a whole night shift, month salary 2,000+. I have parents, siblings, wife and kid to feed. Am I a masochist for studying medicine?
A patient said: “You doctors don’t have money? Doctors are all as black as coal.”
A hopeless nationality!!!
Relax, LZ~ I have been worked for fives year, and the total amount of my deducted salary is 12,000~~~~ In the future, just ignore patients even though they are on their knees to beg you (except the emergency case and dying case), unless the president of the hospital promises your salary won’t be deducted. Usually, at this point, the patient or his family would attack or threaten you with words like “doctors need to save the dying and cure the wound”, “morality of medicine”, “Why do you only know money? We won’t owe you anything”, “doctors only care about money, not patients”, “I am not that kind of people who try to get treatment without paying”, and etc. If your heart got soft, you just pray that God would pour some blessings and sympathy on you. Anyway, I had paid a lot for my lessons through the years. (If you keep your heart hard on them, the whole situation can be out of control. You need to do body-building often. If the patients’ family or morality holders/guardians attack you, don’t care about your clothes they are holding, take off your clothes and escape quickly! :)
Peasants are not nice and kind, they are very cunning. “Lou zhu,” just take it as if you paid for a lesson.
Brother, what had happened to you is nothing. One patient of mine owed 8,000 yuan, and escaped in a rainy night~ The hospital took care of me a little, they paid half for me, and deducted 4,000 from my salary. I worked for nothing for that month.
Poor Chinese doctors, poor Chinese migrant workers, poor you, poor Chinese people.
People are so apathetic and cold. I had some cases like this too. One was was a child, who was basically already blind. I performed the surgery for him, and the outcome of the surgery was very good. However, the father carried the kid and ran off in the middle of the night.
Another one was a guy who had very bad eye sight and also other diseases. Other hospitals were not confident enough to give treatment to him. This patient looked like he was a boss of a foreign company, talking big, and extremely stylish (he was almost 60). After the treatment, he never showed up again. Later on we got to know that this guy was a swindler who had deceived a lot of people. One of his mistresses had come to the hospital to accompany him when he had the surgery. He conned the mistress out of thousands of RMB. Human sympathy and kindness, do we still have such things?
Of course, this is also a problem of the medical system. What a patient need to do to stay in the hospital to get treatment is to pay some deposit, but what about the payment after the treatment？Depends on people’s conscience. It is time for change. The medical system needs to be changed, so does the method of treating patients.
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Charity Gives Migrant Workers Train Tickets & Cash 
Migrant Workers Eating Lunch & Working In Summer Heat 
To think that in decadent and capitalist Britain, I can walk in to a hospital for a suture or a heart transplant and not have to pay a yuan…
RE LZ “There was another patient before him that did not pay, and the hospital had deducted 3 months salary from me.”
He’s a surgeon, and salary is equal to less than the cost of one patient (assume it was a similar incident) short-term care? Would they really deduct significant amounts MORE than the cost lost as a result of the person who ‘escaped’, from the doctor who stitched him up as opposed to the attendant in charge of monitoring patients at that time?
I don’t believe the story as written, it’s logically inconsistent beyond that which I’ve experienced. That being said, I think the “lies” to escape fees is common…I mean, some people simply lie all the time and even moreso when there is any amount of money on the line regardless of the ‘good deeds’ others do for them – this isn’t specific to China, though.
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I can not stand the people on tianya! They are so fricking pessimistic and cynical. It is as if they are the most miserable people in the world. They are drowning themselves in their own self-pity
I am talking about the commenters, not LZ. His story actually deserve some sympathy. 3 months wage deduction, if true, is too harsh. Can’t he just pay for the $800 himself?
I can understand and sympathize with the patient and the doctor’s position. No wonder patients who can’t afford will end up dying. Doctors who are good Samaritans are treated as scapegoats.
I usually thought hospitals would record the patient’s Identification card number?
I’m assuming the 3 month deduction was because that first runaway patient’s medical bill happened to equal about 3 months of his monthly wage, not because each runaway patient automatically results in 3 months deducted wage.
I’m actually a little confused as to how hospitals work after his report. The way it sounds is that hospitals charge for treatment but … bill afterwards? Must make it pretty easy to do a runner. Are they banned from charging cash upfront? Can’t they take people’s national identity cards?
well i guess when someones having a heart attack, its probably not the best time to ask for payment…lol. not this case of course but would explain why they bill afterwards.
The doctors at hospitals in the city I’m in see over 100 patients a day, but most of them get paid just a little more that your average office worker. The reason they see so patients is not just because there are so many, but also cos they get paid a certain amount of ‘commission’ per person, in addition to commission for the medicine — if you go to see them about a cold you come out with three types of pills and two ointments (all useless and made onsite in the hospital more often than not).
@dace, your analysis only applies to doctors in the outpatients department, whose salaries are partially contingent on service per head. As for doctors in the inpatients department, they have fixed salaries regardless of workload. Three things to note: 1) most Chinese doctors work in both outpatients and inpatients departments, 2) most Chinese doctors get monthly bonus contingent on workload, 3) inpatients-department doctors can, but illicitly, derive commissions from drug manufacturer-representatives.
I remember that there are incidents where patients were refused in an emergency for apparent inability to pay, which aroused widespread outcry. The Health Ministry then ordered all the medical institutitions to admit and treat emergency patients before seeking payment.
On the face of the story here, I sympathize with the narrator, but my instinct says this is not as simple.
@Kai
The thing is though, a Doctor at a reputable hospital (as he claims) earns a relatively high salary compared to the normal cost of patient care. Even “gold card” portions of the top hospitals are not THAT expensive (I just came out of one, Huaxi gold care in sichuan..the best hospital here, had a fuckin kidney stone) and the hospitals would NOT allow any serious expensive care to be given without a payment up front. In fact, they may let some small amounts go by if something requires immediate attention and the person seems reputable (they let me stay first night since their machine was not taking my foreign mastercard properly) but they keep following up with requests on how payment will be made until you go and create a “buffer”. Usually they ask for a big lump sum up front, then refund what you haven’t paid after all care is given. They would NOT give serious expensive care especially not “gold card” care which is what really racks up cost to someone off the street without a big buffer, that’s bullshit, I just can’t see it.
If they did, whoever accepted responsibility for giving care WITHOUT forcing a buffer payment up front should be responsible, and should be, it’s their own fault for making that decision and if it’s the case the Doctor makes the decision, he needs to take responsibility. That’s like saying “This homeless person I’ve never met requires food. I shall give him 10000 rmb of my company’s money to pay for a years food now, then he can pay the company back for it tomorrow.” When the guy runs off, holding his hands up, “But he was hungry! Oh, such bad results being a nice guy, wa wa.”
@ Rick in China.
Okay, but why are you directing that at me?
Their medicare money is being spent on the Greater Glory of Mother China. Space programs, Olympics, World Trade Fairs, and thousands of ’student leaders’ around the world.
@Kai
Because, while it may not have been the intention, your post was first to address a question within mine, which was:
“Would they really deduct significant amounts MORE than the cost lost as a result of the person who ‘escaped’, from the doctor who stitched him up as opposed to the attendant in charge of monitoring patients at that time?”
Your post
“I’m assuming the 3 month deduction was because that first runaway patient’s medical bill happened to equal about 3 months of his monthly wage, not because each runaway patient automatically results in 3 months deducted wage.”
make sense?
It ’s a pity to see China in such a sorry state. There is really something wrong with the wellfare system there. Over here in Malaysia, you would not believe it, it will cost us only RM 1.00 ( half a yuan ) to see a doctor in a well equipped goverment hospital. On top of that, the medicine is free. If you are warded, the charge is minimal. The charge for any operation is also minimal.
It’s time your extremely rich goverment start treating their citizens better.
@See from KL
RE: “extremely rich”
When you take wealth and spread it over 1.3 billion people, ie free services, it does not last very long. Anything the government does in terms of “public welfare” is going to eat up any monetary reserves, and with the world economy in the state it is now that’s not as simple as you seem to believe.
@See from KL
Don’t be smug. Those who have money don’t go to a KL hospitals. They treasure their lives too much. If you think Malaysia’s politicans are better than China’s, you obviously are living in a world of your own, reading only The Star and NST.
one of the reasons is that doctors are underpaid in China, the petty amount of salary for medical personnels esp surgeons is an insult to their expertise and responsibility. no wonder they love to take bribe and refuse credit payment.
whats really sad is that fake drug merchants become millionaire while geniune doctors struggle with life. destroying live earns alot, saving doesn’t. fcuking pathetic.
@ see from KL, M
According to this article
http://www.thesundaily.com/article.cfm?id=28047
Only 15% of the people have medical insurance in Malaysia. I doubt the rest 85% can see a doctor with only half a yuan.
Yes, only 15% of the people are covered by medical insurance. These people who are covered by the medical insurance are those who wish to seek treatment at the private hospitals where the charges are very expensive. Most of us do not go to private hospital. When I mentioned ( 1/2) yuan, I specifically mentioned hospitals ( public hospitals ) which are run by the goverment. You can find these hospitals and clinics everywhere in Malaysia. I should say Malaysia health care system is one of the best in the world. Even Singaporeans come over to Malaysia to seek medical treatment because it is cheap.
Smickno,
Your argument is off track. We are not talking about who is who going to which hospital. we are talking about cost of treatment here! You dummy.
For your info, many of our doctors are trained in England and Australia.
universal healthcare requires tight government budget and extremely high tax rate, I think only those north-european countries can fully realize it.
with 1.3 billion population, social welfare alone is a daunting job, if not impossible, not to mention rampant corruption significantly cuts spending.
@See from KL
Poor S’poreans go to JB for cheap medical treatment. Rich Malaysians go to Singapore for treatment.
china is in a vicious circle. the migrant worker will teach his son what to do if one day he encountered the same thing— tell the doctor that you are poor, gain his sympathy. after he does the surgery just sneak away. obviously his son has inherit all his bad habit and valuation. his dad wore the dirty clothing more than 20 days. he didn’t try to clean it. the doctor will teach his son never show your mercy to poor people. they are all ungrateful.
how come that chinese leaders brag everyday that china is harmonious. how come that this migrant worker went to many hospital and no one try to stitch him up.
harmony harmony. this word doesn’t exsit in chinese dictionary
smicko,
Malaysians go to China to work as executives. Chinese come here to work here as dish washers.
@See from KL
Who are you trying to bullshit? Malaysians go to Singapore to work as waiters/waitresses, hotel chambermaids…I have seen lots of them there when I was in Singapore. Executives? If Malaysia is so great, and your government is so good, compared with China’s, I wonder why Malaysians are running away to Singapore. After all, you have half yuan hospitals which are unheard of in Singapore.
Are you angry that China has taken away a lot of foreign direct investments from Malaysia? You are so critical of the Chinese government’s welfare system, while you imagine WE don’t know the shit in your country.
By the way, can you give us some statistics on how many people from around the world are risking their lives in your half yuan hospitals?
Don’t get too smug. As Samael said, don’t criticise someone who fails his examinations when you are not even qualified to sit for it.
@See from KL
Those Malaysians in China are a minority. The vast majority of Malaysians are not qualified to work in China. The Chinese you see in Malaysia are from the countryside. Compare like with like, son.
Your top university can’t even hold a candle to the likes of Beida, Tsinghua, Fudan, Renmin, Wuhan…
You obviosuly can’t see beyond your nose.
So now Malaysians get to bitch about Chinese welfare system. Tell me he is not serious.
@ river, in my humble opinion, harmony is the goal the Chinese seek to achieve, not a current state that the Chinese boast of. I’m sure you so smart that I need not state the obvious.
I applaud your sympathy for migrant workers, but think before making sweeping statements
well, this harmony thing we been touting about is really mind-boggling, I mean how would one describe the state of harmony? no one has ever explained it in depth not even Hu himself, and no quantitative definition, no pragmatic analysis, for example, how harmonious is China now?? what level of harmony can we expect to be at in the next 10 years or so?? is there an ultimate goal or theres always room for improvement?? are there some benchmarks for measuring the amount of harmony in a society??? you can’t just invent a word and hope everybody will believe it, I see propaganda all over the place, harmony this harmony that, it brings up alot of questions, and makes people ponder.
so what really is harmony? to me, this rather vague idea translates into two realistic concepts: RULES and BALANCE.
balance between sate and people’s power, balance of social classes, balance of strengths, balance between majority and minority, balance between enterprise and union, and so on, you know what, the whole universe is about balance, from the tiniest to the hugest, from an atom to the solar system, every way you look at it you can feel the force that keeps this world what it is.
@Peteryang
Their preaching of Harmony follows the “keep repeating and people simply believe” mentality of propaganda. They will use the word to bend rules to fit their will – just as many Christians use “faith” and “scripture” selectively to fit whatever argument they’re trying to make at any given time.
There’s no reason to discuss the governments intended use of “harmony” as it’s just a word, it might as well be any positive ideology which they throw their chips behind, as it really has a hallow meaning no matter what.
@ see from KL
read from wikipedia
“The Malaysian Chinese have traditionally dominated the Malaysian economy, … they still make up the majority of the middle and upper income classes”
If what you said is true (”Chinese come here to work here as dish washers”), the dish washing industry must dominate your economy :)
smicko,
why do you compare your top universities with those from Malaysia ( population- 22 million ) which is a small country with a high per capital income?
You should compare your universities with Harvard, Stanford, Oxford, Cambridge , Princeton and even National Singapore University.
Anyway your top universities are producing brilliant graduates who help your country to produce fake toothpaste, fake protein, fake nokia phones, fake I-phone an not to forget ” fake medicine” which kills , fake eggs, fake ” human hearts” , fake milk powder , immitation kingston cards ( I was a victim ) and the list goes on.
this sort of debate usually ends up with people freaking out, calling names, attacking each other’s mother, and generally behaving stupid. so you ppl need not go any further.
as a side note, I observe a surging sentiment of racism in malaysian society, particularly against chinese, am I correct or correct?
the fact that we can live together without any fights or riots, it is already a blessing. the chinese here are quite independent, they are allowed to study in their mother tongue. they are allowed to do any kind of business. most of the chinese here have a high standard of living compare to other races. Of course, there are differences which we cannot resolve. we are not the victims here.
@See from KL
You are barking up the wrong tree. I am not Chinese.
By the way, Malaysia’s population is not 22 million…it is a few million more than that, close to 30 million. It’s a shame that you need a foreigner to tell you that. You obviously seem very uninformed, no wonder your jaundiced view of China.
And you continue on with your bullshit about peace and Malaysian HARMONY. Did you even read the news about what’s going on with the Indians in Malaysian? Now I think I have given you too much credit. You don’t read even your Star or NST.
By the way, I was wondering why Malaysians have to go to England or Australia to study, which gave you so much pride to publish it here. You seemed ashamed of your doctors who graduated from a Malaysian university.
Son, you under-estimated China. Maybe you are looking at those migrant workers who came to Malaysia, and have not had the chance to rub shoulders with the top 30% of the Chinese.
In China, I have never been driven by a taxi-driver to some forest and got robbed, unlike what is happening in KL – that’s where you are – where at the push of a button, all the doors are locked and passengers are driven to some Malaysian jungle and get raped and/or robbed. I am sure you know about this.
You are engaging in an argument which you can only lose, so for goodness’ sake, make a graceful retreat, and don’t be smug. Don’t force me to write a long thesis on the shortcomings of your peoples. Seeing that you seem to love your country so much, the embarrasment will be too much for you. So, my advice to you: be very quiet, right.
@Peteryang
There is a general dislike for Chinese (I mean those from PRC) in Malaysia.
It’s a shame, doctors have to choose between being cold-hearted bastards or paying rent and putting their child through school. If you had nationalized health care like in socialist countries such as Canada and England, I think this kind of thing could be avoided. China has become very capitalist and very individualist (not in the “I am special and unique” way but, “I come before everyone else” way), which isn’t surprising considering the speed and depth of change both economically and culturally. But Chinese should advocate for real socialism so that their society becomes more equitable. If you go too capitalist, like the US, the divide between rich and poor will become so extreme that everyone will loathe each other and violence will increase – a lot. There’s certainly nothing to stop the Chinese from developing a fairer, more compassionate, more functional health care system, I hope you get one soon!
smicko,
you are not a chinese. what are you doing in china. you must be american who is now jobless and try bullshit your way in China. if you have the money you can study anywhere, where are you from? then i shall tell you about the country where you are from
@See from KL
From the way you wrote, you seem to be a rather young boy, probably still in high school, quite naive and ignorant. I have no heart to bash you. The reason I entertained you earlier was to tell you to not criticise others, if your house is not in order, and get your facts right before you shoot your mouth off.
This wil be my last response…am not going to reply to anything from you.
smicko,
you started the war. I was not critical of china. you started it. i was only talking about the health care system.
If you are not a chinese and does not belong to any of the minorities there, you have no right to speak for china. you refused to reveal your nationality which goes to show that your own country has nothing to shout about.
Son, I am a pure chinese. my late father is from guang dong. I have step brothers from there. do you really think I wish to run down my mother country. to you, china is only your adopted country. I was only talking about the health care system which the chinese themselves agreed there are flaws there. you started talking about those who have money don’t go to K.L. hospital. your argument reflects your mentality and maturity.
We are not the oppressed lot. we don’t shoot people for corruption. I am still proud to be a malaysian. I own three properties and drive a camry. I can visit my step brothers anytime I want. can I do so if I am victimised by the goverment.
I think China will have to create a universal healthcare system somewhere between the best which is supposedly the UK, France, Germany and Ireland … western European countries and the United States where the PMO profits on patients.
@Fireworks
Your statements have no qualification or insights, they’re just carpet statements – can you add some more information to your thoughts in terms of what specifically you think the Chinese government may be able to realistically accomplish towards getting what sort of healthcare system? The differences between the private/public expendatures on healthcare are significant, btw, compare England to France. Not wanting to go into a long description and critique, read:
http://www.who.int/countries/en/
Enjoy.
@Rick in China
I was doing some reading from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health_care#Europe and also http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1447686.
Universal healthcare in China is realistically going to be a long way off. I was trying to say many countries in the world aspire world class health care similar to that of Europe. Now, although it is expensive from the point of view of levying taxes are high, people in those countries generally make use of it and are grateful.
Now some conservatives which they are many perceived this as a ’socialist system’ and its not the government’s burden to provide that sort of service and should leave it in private hands. Now that can be debatable… depending on which side of the Atlantic you are from. Some people believe its the government duty to look after the people. Others think its their personal responsibility to look after themselves and have choice.
In the other extreme end, you have the US which does not have universal health care but have a strong private health care system. It sometimes work for minor health issues, sometimes it doesn’t work out good for the patients because patients are left high and dry with gap expenses which the health funds don’t cover.
Back to your question about China’s health system. China has a range of options to see what kind of health care system it wants in place and the cost. Having a universal health system will be take decades. But to have something in place that can get the process going, maybe help kickstart the private health industry so that people who work or who can afford, pay private health insurance.
This will relief pressure from the public hospitals and public purse strings.
Just my 2 cents worth.
no need for universal medicare, just how about system where these bosses of the workers must pay the workers injuries, this would make safety much more important at work andmany people will be saved. VEry simple, just like companies cannot fire so easy the workers now, just make the boss responisbile.
Everyone Chinese knows the Chinese people would just take advantage of universal health so make it only for accidnets. If we had free hospitals we would have everyone linign up all the time for anything. Chinese are scared of sick!
@bossman
universal health care ain’t free. You pay for it through taxes so you really aren’t taking advantage of anything. you Chinese can line up in hospitals all day, but is it really worth the lost wages u incurred during these ‘advantageous’ sick leaves? besides, its not like China did not have a health care scheme, back when it was still communist. many older generations now, i believe, regard the current system as a step backwards from the communist era.
on the other hand, your proposition of a worker compo scheme can actually be exploited easily by dodgy workers and requires large amount of workplace reform and government supervision. its a good idea, considering the terrible Chinese work safety records, but its not ‘very simple’.
The healthcare system in China is a complete and utter joke. Look for one single zhong guo ren who will say its great and you will have to look for years. Imagine you are a migrant worker doing hard shitty work for 10 hours a day 7 days a week for 800 kuai,, how would you feel about being in an accident and having to pay several thousand yuan (which you obviously haven’t got) in medical bills?! The healthcare system in China is more capitalistic and demeaning than that of the USA.
was his ID card also fake? Can’t he be traced with that?
Chinese Hospitals = Business factory “health”