This is a very hot post on Tianya. The original poster, called “美奴bj”, is a Chinese urban resident and is “protesting” the national policies that he/she considers unfair to urban residents:
Protest! There is severe discrimination against urban citizens in rural areas. Urban people are not allocated fields in rural areas, or allowed to buy houses in rural areas.
This is a very unfair policy. We are all Chinese, so how can the rural people have fields to grow food and build houses?
Why do metropolitan citizens have to spend millions to buy the housing in cities? Why can we not have a homestead in the rural areas to build our own affordable houses?
Why can we not have a field in a village to grow our own crops?
Why is there so much government welfare given to people in rural areas? On what basis? Are rural people born superior?
What great rural people? They are all taking advantages of national policies! The policies are favorable to rural people! Rural people steal, rape, kidnap, and counterfeit in cities. Rural people are all illegals and use crime in order to make money. How dare they call themselves “vulnerable groups”? Rural people are covering up their own misdeeds by shifting the blame on to others! Shameless rural people!
Some rural Chinese with their rural houses. Of course, not all rural houses are like this.
Comments from Tianya:
拉面来一皖：
If you have the ability, change the national policy, [instead of talking] so much bullshit.
鱼的眼泪在哪里：
Go to hell, lou zhu.
You can give up your urban hukou [household registration, urban hukous are more valued because cities usually have better public services, such as education] if you think it is unfair. Come and settle in rural areas. Ah, you do not dare leave the city and live in the countryside. You are a shameless whore trying to pass yourself off as a lady! Why don’t you tell people that the wages of city people are many times higher than rural people? All you can see is the fields in the rural areas. Can’t you see that farmers can no longer rely on farming to feed their families? Can’t you see the inflation, yet crops are still so cheap… You are enjoying the benefits of living in a city, but you still want to take advantage of the rural people. You are absolute scum. I very much despise scum like you…
csyzf:
China’s economy is based on the urban-rural dual structure. The urban annual income per capita is more than three times higher than the rural areas, which is the reason for China’s high Gini number. Although there is cheap housing in rural areas, most earnings are from urban areas. Many rural people have to go to cities and live in crowded tenements even though they have nice houses in the countryside. The houses and fields are the last thing they can rely on.
In fact, the rural people do not have the right to sell their houses. Rural people only have the right to use the house sites. Individuals do not have ownership of the houses and fields. The ownership belongs to the village, which means the government. The houses can only be traded in the village, and can not be sold to outsiders.
LXD690:
There are reasons why the LZ is talking about discrimination… But the rural brothers can’t be blamed! It’s the national policy’s fault! Actually we are all victims…
毛钩：
From my personal experience, what Beijing people ate 20 years ago was actually much worse than the food in the northeast, the Yangtze River basin or Sichuan province.
被搽屁股的小白兔：
Then you go and buy fields in rural areas. My great-aunt has a big piece of land in a village. There is an open-air toilet. You can keep the toilet for free. You may want to live with maggots and flies…
美奴bj：
We can see that those who curse in comments are basically rural people. These people always feel that society is not fair to them, but they also can not say anything in an argument. Their comments betray their nature.
我爱锆石：
I agree with the LZ.
Urban people can’t get a registered residence. Otherwise I would apply for one.
秀峨大山下的子：
Haha, the post only shows that you don’t make enough money.
Can’t you buy land and build houses in villages if you have enough money???
Have you ever surveyed the countryside???
我是火星主人：
Shameless thing! Do you fucking know how hard life is in rural areas? Have urban people showed respect to rural people??? You NNB!!! Whore!!!
ybjsyz:
On what basis??? When urban people looked down on rural people, you said nothing? A piece of land and a house site is everything a rural citizen has, and you think rural people are enjoying a higher living standard? You looked down on rural people, so on what grounds shall rural people think highly of you? All rural people must unite and not give you food to eat. Let you have money but have no place to go. Starve to death all you shallow city people!!!
jyhyanjin:
In fact, most of the preferential policies are in the city. Most of the rural areas are not as good as the LZ thinks. If you are settled in some backwater village, I think you will certainly curse God’s injustice, and you would have to work in a city. When you come back to the village, as a rural person, you only have a little money, but city people have a proper job and much more money. The high prices makes food in the rural area as expensive as it is in cities. City people have labor security by law, but how about rural people? If the rural workers are protected under the law, then why do they pay with their lives just by asking for wages! City people just need to buy a house in the city, but if a rural person wants to settle down in a city, he has to put in much more effort than you city people. LZ envies the rural areas which are close to major cities. They are well-off. Yes, we all want to have the life as they have. But it is only a small number of rural people that are so lucky. Besides, it also depends on how good the local government is.
I really don’t want to say this, but you are really stupid.
网事随疯78：
Cities are slowly eroding rural areas, especially in the Yangtze River Delta.
Each family is assigned to a resettlement housing which is of similar size to the old house.
Everything seems very cost-effective, and each family gets at least 2 – 3 apartments. They are millionaires now.
But what we lost is the permanent homestead residence in the rural areas, which the ZF didn’t pay for for us farmers.
In exchange, what we get is the so-called 70-year property rights of the apartments.
tembxcqiu:
When the policy was better for cities, you city people didn’t consider us rural people. Now things are being better in rural areas, but here comes the complaints of city people. You are a lump of selfishness.
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This wouldn’t be a problem if the peasants were allowed to buy and sell their farmland as easily as an apartment in Beijing. Unfortunately peasants are stupid and they’d probably get cheated out of it, they’d have no-where to go back to when the dildo factory in Guangzhou closes after their products are discovered to contain radium, the internet would be flooded with a million sob stories. China needs to retain hardline, inefficient State-Capitalism because the Chinese are not intelligent enough to deal with a real market economy.
While I’m here, I’d like to mention that my last post took 16 hours to get approved, about ten posts appeared after mine before mine was approved. For whatever reason the site’s owner has told the other moderators the he is to approve my posts personally. I want to know why you think I am so dangerous that you must censor me like this?
[Note from Fauna: Because you have earned it. If you want more explanation, you can email me. Why have you not email me?]
I think you confuse “dangerous” with “mentally disturbed” Pusan. I am all for free speech ‘n’ stuff but your posts are usually either offensive, abusive, intrusive, irrelevant, biased or just plain moronic. More often than not all of the above. No offense.
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@lol
God, you must be an unpleasant maggot in real life. Probably come from Texas where this type of remark would be regarded as the height of humour.
Whatever your opinion on Fauna, this kind of disrespectful, racist language is truly uncalled for.
That’s all i have to say.
can I email you too fauna? oh I’m sorry, I meant furfurfufu. :)
capt. LING DAN WANG BA, this ‘furfurfufu’ shit is wearing a little thin and not nearly as funny as the possibility of you having sex with a woman.
Good job for keeping it real, I voted you up.
You would love furfurfufu too if you were attacked (whether right or wrong, I guess) for the past 10 years.
I’m not the only one who uses this website a toilet for shitting.
LOL, 250’s comment here totally made my morning. Generally, I’ve got nothing against capt. LING DAN WANG BA (and what I think is his various iterations) as his half-coherent randomly silly/insane babbling are usually pretty harmless (at least more so than PP), but 250’s comment here was just really hilarious to me for some reason.
why the hell are you even interjecting Kai (about your views on my sanity) with your bs. Go back to proper land, stop talking to a bunch of insane guys? especially I’m defending my honor when this dude is cop-blocking me and my fufu.
You should feel honored. Join the 1.3+ billion Chinese in being censored!
And here I thought all Korean men were suppose to be the manly men that they try so hard to pretend to be, but obviously that’s not the case. What’s wrong Playa? Have you stayed in China too long that you’ve also become a whiny little bitch?
But Koreans are a by-product of the Chinese, if Korean peasants can somehow modernise, the Chinese peasants no doubt can as well.
Valid up to the last paragraph which was plain stupid. These are our fellow citizens and comrades too, don’t hate on them. But true that rural folk have a clear advantage.
Clear advantage? I dont see it as so clear. Those people who were sitting on the Gold after the “iron rice bowl” broke into a thousand pieces are the millionaires today. Their houses in Shanghai and Beijing and Guangzhou went through the roof after the wall on making money fell down. The “Hukou” system puts all the people in Shanghai on the government dole for better medical care at REAL hospitals not some backwater clinic that not even a dog should be treated in. They now exist in well-funded public schools with added test score points for entry exams into University. Their access to insider info on IPO’s and other such nonsense puts them in the driver seat to perpetuate their wealth. You need an MBA or a public official’s cock in your mouth to get a hold of a Hukou in this city mate.
The LZ in my opinion is just another cunt looking for her house in the country she can retreat to when she’s done exploiting the workers. Unless she was being on the whole sarcastic her post is shit.
If the original poster hates rural people so much, why do they care whether or not they can move there??
Very strange indeed.
Cityfolks CAN of course move to rural areas but there are naturally some reasons why the movement tend to go in the other direction. The countryside: Low income, hard labour, lousy healthcare, crappy schools, no higher education, officials treating their areas as their own local fifedoms, limited legal protection, dependency on weather and crops and no access to the kind of social life institutions we take for granted in the cities. For 99 percent of the Chinese living in the countryside it’s basically a “Getting by untill you Die” situation. Now isn’t that just romantic and idyllic?
Yeah,, it’s a complete mystery why the cityfolks don’t rush into the countryside by the millions. Wipe your eyes OP,, I bet there are a couple of hundred million people in this country who would LOVE to swop with you.
I am actually tempted to wonder if this is sarcasm. Land-rights issues are huge in China, but definitely more pressing a concern for rural than urban. While land in the cities is owned directly by the government, the land in the countryside is owned by the collectives, which makes land security a big issue, since local cadres have a knack for grabbing land when it suits them “for the good of the community.” Also, it’s easier to get away with pushing a few poor peasants out of the way when they live out in BFE and there is a new high speed train to be built, than it is to move out a block of urban chinese who probably have better connections and are at least more visible.
And really, to complain about unfair rights privileges being offered to the country people?? Give me a break! Chinese with a rural huji systematically get the butt-end of what this country has to offer. What about health care and education–all denied to rural immigrants living in the cities (I think Shanghai might have changed their policy on education this year, but, even so, that’s just this year!). The lz needs to clean the sand out of their vagina and thank their stars they were born into the good life.
Sarcasm. I got the same impression. I also think those aunties in the photo are smirking: the prices people have to pay in big cities.
Again PP excells himself. He should have been give a Chinasmack t-shirt and allowed to run the Obama Q and A.
Chinese people never cease to amaze me. Who is rural people and who is urban people. I’m having been living in Shanghai for some years now and every year, during the Chinese New Year festival, I always notice that the city is somehow empty.
You all are one CHINA. If you thing that the government is not being fair, there is one option to it…………
ABANDON THE CITY AND GO FOR THE RURAL AREA AND YOU WILL SURELY GET THE ADVANTAGE OF THE RURAL AREA.
Stop despising each other, no one knows where the future President will come from. The person you look down today, might be your boss tomorrow.
Have a nice day my fellow Chinese friends
What a stupid post. There is a reason why poor people from the countryside are working in horrible conditions to build apartments and office buildings for all the urban citizens. The poor farmers are doing the shitty job that no urban citizen in China would touch.
By the city being empty during Chinese New Year festival, it shows that most people from other cities are working in Shanghai. For those you that are from urban cities like Shanghai, Beijing, Shenzhen, etc. who claim to be more superior to other cities, have you ever asked yourself what the city will look like if the rural people are not there. Believe me, they add to the city life. It makes the city more entertaining.
Always remember this ” United We Stand But Divided We Fall”
This is a serious issue. The government obviously doesn’t care about city people. It’s time for another revolution everybody!
haha love your subtle sarcasm
These people just need to listen to some good ol’ Andy Kim song a la “Rock me Gently” and everything will be chill and calm
Part of the issue here is control of 1.3+ billion people. Urban residents have the money to purchase (well, technically, LEASE) land in the countryside, but that doesn’t guarantee that they will farm it. What happens when the urban elite begin to take over large areas of farmland because they want a house “with a nice view”?
agree with professor. The law are in place to prevent urban sprawl and mis-use of whatever precious land is left in China. Otherwise every white collar will be investing in villas and acres of land and golf courses and big sprawling green lawns and summer homes using up all the little fertile farming land that is left in China.
Based on my family’s experience:
1. Rural people have better housing in average. My parents are living in a 3rd-tier city and have a 150 m^2 apartment. In contrast, my uncle’s family who lives on the outskirts has a nice two-floor house, with less than one third of yearly family income. Unlike urban people only having 70 years leasing of the condo, they own both the land and the house.
2. Rural people don’t pay tax for all income from the land. They can’t get much from planting crops (around 1000 RMB/year/mu) but growing vegetables and other things like tree seedlings is much more profitable.
3. What GuoBao said is true. Rural people have to rely mostly on themselves for many things that are usually granted in cities and education/health care suck in rural areas. This is why people want to move from rural areas to cities but not in the other direction.
4. Urban residents CAN buy lands and/or houses from farmers even the lands are owned collectively, as long as the village is willing to sell. My parents in law bought their house two years ago from a town level county for only 1500 RMB/m^2 and the site is only 10 minute drive from beach, supermarkets, hospitals and golf courses.
5. There’s a compromise proposal to LZ. She should go to a 2nd-tier or 3rd-tier city. With the money she earned in a 1st-tier city, she can afford much better housing while having acceptable urban services. It’s good that living standard is rapidly catching up in these areas.
and one more
6. It could be people’s craziness to try to settle in cities like Shanghai and Beijing that drove the housing price sky high there. I really like how the TV drama 蜗居 depicts the problem with a lot of truth.
1) pretty sure 土地所有权 is simply not permitted for individuals in China. It either belongs to the state, or to some collective somethingorother, but I could be mistaken. Feel free to prove me wrong.
In cities land is owned by the country and leased to residents and other partners while in villages land belongs to communities. That’s why I said in rural areas “the lands are owned collectively”.
Well, to be honest. Rural areas in China are used for a lot of important reasons. Including food. Contrary to popular belief: Most of China’s food is NOT imported. I read that less than 10% of land in China is used for actual food production. Which feeds all 1.4 billion people in China. (I might be wrong) However, if that is true, I don’t think it is a good idea to use more valuable land for… well… pretty homes. Sounds like this woman has a big case of “big baby illness.”
some reading material on that issue, straight from USDA
http://www.ers.usda.gov/AmberWaves/June08/Features/ChinaFeed.htm
The reason why 农民 get so much help and assistance is to stop them from revolting. All this financial aid is simply to appease them. Without it, the government would have been over-thrown years ago!
The last comment by tembxcqiu was spot on. If an urban resident doesn’t understand why China has these land policies then they’ve never read a history book or a sappy CCTV melodrama about peasants. If they don’t undertsand why homes are bigger and cheaper in the country than in the city, then they obviously have never lived in the country. In a city you pay more, for less space, but you get services, such as water, most villages in China still only use wells, electricity, rural electrical service though everywhere still isn’t reliable, paved roads, most villages don’t have them, trash collection service, modern conveniences, access to transportation, proximity to the best schools, shopping, health care, cultural institutions, oh yeah, and jobs. The poster is a moron who should go take a basic geography or economics class. Nothing the poster said is valid. It’s all utter nonsense.
Letting the urban rich purchase land is a surefire way to return China to the days of feudalism, when landlords lived it up while indentured peasants slaved to death in the fields.
the thread starter is such a slut. didn’t he or she knows that he/she came from the countryside too? if it was so good, people instead of flooding to the cities would be flooding to the countryside. He/she is just a kid.
The original author of the article is so dumb. She wants to have a chalet in the country side while she keeps her hukou in the metropolis. Why would she be complaining? Living in the country side is basically a dead end for professional careers. I don’t she will survive in the Nongchang.
All land belongs to the government. Rural people like their urban residents only have property rights to live and make a living off their land. They don’t own land. So to blame rural residents is just stupid.
Obviously the peoples republic doesn’t belong to the people.
Kai
After you took a couple of paragraphs illuminating me, why is the auto thingy not working on that creature LOL.
Incidentally, totally agree with your statement.
You are too forgiving. That Capt. creature is also a louse.
Peace to some of the people.
Nice of you to find time–being lost and all and being in SZ no less–to comment about me :) You is teh winner this evening.
Seriously GOD help you when you need KAI to help you sort out the functions on this basic website.
lostinsz,
There’s a threshold before a comment is hidden. The comment you’re referring to is hidden right now with a -20 vote, so I’m guessing that threshold is at most -20, meaning at least 19 other people have to vote down with you more than those who vote up. I think it used to be -10 or something.
capt. is just a clown. He has his moments of clarity though, if he hasn’t already trained you to ignore him outright at sight.
I am really disgusted by some city people’s discrimination of people living in peasant villages in the countryside. It’s really hypocritical as most people with these views are directly descended from these areas and their parents/ grandparents lived the exact same lifestyle.
My fiance’s cousin got married in her husband’s hometown in jilin recently – a small and quaint nongcun. his family and other residents there were the nicest and most welcoming people I have met in China so far. The landscape was beautiful with mountains and streams and their houses though small and austere were clean, comfortable and had electricity, TVs some had showers and bathrooms -others outdoor WC. The farmers there are self-sufficient and also grow ginseng which is quite a valuable crop so they are better-off than some rural residents and they could finance their son’s studies to PHD in Shanghai. They could have moved to a concrete tower block in a city and lost their friends and social staus but they chose to give their son a way out. I admired them for being really selfless and not following the people who move to city. Their lives were happier and more wholesome than some people here that I know.
My mother-in-law (to be) an entrepreneur with a jiangsu city hukou was a complete cow the whole time during that trip. I was completely ashamed to know her. Although giving her niece’s in-laws face by inviting them to jiangsu, she, behind their back said she would be ashamed to invite them for a meal and hopes that they never take her up on the invitation. When with her own family she said she was scared of the hosts and they are the “lowest” people in China. She wouldn’t eat the food (which was excellent) because it wasn’t clean and only ate some dishes which her and her sister cooked herself. These people had been nothing but friendly and extremely hospitable to her the whole time. She criticised everything except the ginseng which she took back – funny how that is classed as “haodongxi” not dirty peasant food! Double standards or what!?! No way you can reason with a Chinese elder unfortunately …….
to clarify when the monster-in-law wouldn’t eat the food it was because she said it wasn’t clean. they was nothing wrong with it at all..
What you just described is typical of Chinese people. Chinese always have been and always will be prejudiced towards other Chinese that are of a different social class or a different region. It’s in their blood. It’s been like that even before chinese people were chinese people. Ask any Northern Chinese what they think about Southerners and ask any Southerner what they think about Northerners. Ask Beijingers what they think of Henan people. The best is when you ask Hongkys or Taiwanese what they think about mainlanders. They always refer to mainland women as 大陆妹。 Oh yeah, I don’t know if you knew this, but Northeasterners are supposed to be dumb and slow but honest.
It’s to unfair so say like this.As we all know,the living standard and earnings of rural people are solow that many people go to cities to pursue more money and better life.But in cities,they are treatde badly.They don’t have the same walfare as urban people,their children don’t have access to receive education.We have take too much from rural people and take it for granted.So if you still think it unfair for them to receive something.What I can say is onlt that you are too shameless,selfish and foolish!
One solution is to move people into inner mongolia, move them to outer mongolia and beyond as far as Russia. rofl.
Then, nobody will be bitching about property rights.
Why showing a picture of a Brazilian city on this post? I guess its Sao Paolo.
ummmmn i think one would have to have a pretty comfortable life to to complain about this… afterall the rural people are still Chinese, they are still citizens, why not help them? they have gone through more than the the LZ has…for sure