From Mop:
My god, saw the two previews for “建国大业” [Jian Guo Da Ye, "Great Founding of the Country"?] and was shocked, so niu!
When the time comes, the China Film Group should let everyone use their national IDs to watch the movie, let each person pay 3 kuai cost, and all the people can have a crazy time for the motherland! Wahaha~~
[list of all the stars in the movie]
“Jian Guo Da Ye” has many stars in the movie, probably the most. However, some stars only appear for a short time.
Comments from Mop:
绿霸王:
This movie is clearly called “Occupation”
被神膜拜的男人:
Why does this “Jian Guo Da Ye” movie…have so many “laowai”?
〓稻草Ren〓:
And it was on that day…
that we lost our
freedom.
70码5米:
Without Brother Chun, you can have as many stars and it will still be useless.
哪尼啊喏巴嘎:
I already knew the cast would be great, just waiting for it to come out.
淫荡的脚丫:
How much better it would have been to use that money to improve rural educational facilities…
成长中的老流氓:
Niubi, the more I watch it, the more I feel the KMT figures look good.
夜林箭:
It cannot be denied that the founding fathers were great people.
Likewise it cannot be denied that nowadays moths [negative nickname for government officials] are everywhere.
乱的有节奏:
Uh oh, this movie has been destroyed…
I can imagine everyone spending all their time looking for the celebrities while watching this movie.
libo101:
Our Taiwan compatriots were lucky…
You guys leaving was good, at least you managed to avoid 10 very bad years.
And 10 years later, we still treated you like uncles, begging you to come back. So envious.
奇奇同学:
Dog cunt fucked [Communist] Party, only knows how to do these pointless garbage!!!
Not knowing to use money to go pay attention to the people who need attention,
Parade parade, I parade your mother’s cunt,
Parading the army once costs several hundreds of thousands!!! TM, will you die if you don’t do these image projects??
JT.H [Hu Jintao?], I fuck your mother’s cunt!
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“Will you go and watch “Jian Guo Da Ye“? It will debut on 17 September.”
No.
How do you know if a movie is a must seen? When the country’s two top directors (Kaige Chen and Xiaogang Feng) are ACTORS in it.
a propaganda is a propaganda, doesn’t matter who’s in it.
Well, then the movie is not for you. But I’m a huge fan of Jet Li, Donnie Yen, Andy Lau, Jackie Chan and Ziyi Zhang, and I can’t wait to see what they will look like as “KMT reactionaries”. LOL
ah, finally the world can see how full of shit and themselves the chinese see the world, wrapped in an entertaining little bombfest :D
nice
the CGG looks bad…
I feel like the concept is pretty cheap, its similar to the patriot, an action oriented pseudo-historical war drama.
At least Mel Gibson’s role in the Patriot is fictional, they had the good sense of not bastardarizing any historical figure’s names.
You really don’t see George Washington getting off his horse and beat 3 british colonels with his bare fist while his chest rips off the uniform.
In this case, I guess the Chairman’s good name will be used in some glorified and grandiose action thriller trivializing the perplex process of nation building.
Exactly!
Its not like the Americans to let the truth get in the way of a good story. But at least everyone [or most] people know this, and take it simply for a couple of hours of entertainment. I’m glad to see some of the Chinese are also accepting this as mindless entertainment.
Erm, the character “Colonel Tavington” is clearly based on Banastre Tarleton.
Based on Tarleton, along with many other officers at the time, since the character is a product of trait combining, thus he is fictional.
Its much easier for a fictional character to do things that did not happen in real life than it is for an actual figure to take claim for things that he never did.
It’s a comedy, right?
You guys should read some real history books (and not some Lonely Planet summary) to understand China and how important this period of history was.
You can’t view the world from an euro-centric point of view.
Eventually this is just a film. Nobody complained with films as Patton or Pearl Harbor or other american nationalistic films.
Would you prefer that we read the history books written and sanctioned by the CCP?
I for one have better things to do with my time.
You can read whatever you want. Even western scholar will put this period as extremely important for Chinese history. I dont know why you think history are propaganda. It is the spin on history that is consider propaganda. CCP wants to be view as the justice victor. Same thing for the KMT themselves. How they want to spin it is up to them. But the fact that this time line is important should be unquestionable.
The problem is that in order CCP to make itself view as a justice victor, they have to completely change the truth. If you take a history book sanctioned by the CCP and history books from other countries about the same event talking about CCP’s participation on the sino Japanese war, you will notice they contradicted. Afterall Mao only spent his time running away from Japanese and hitting the Nationalists here and there during those years. In fact, years later, what a Japanese PM apologized for their actions in the war, Mao thank him secretly, “afterall you guys give the nation to us.” ^^ trying to make themselves a just victor, even Disney have more truths than their history books.
haha yeah. the long march, then the great leap forward… the great time travel back to stone age for 40 years. real important.
ummm… actually, yes, such films do attract a lot of complaints about their gross distortions of history.
I am talking about the actual history and the timeline.
Not the expression and interpretation of this film.
I will watch this film as an entertainment.
I think this film should be compare to other american war film such as pearl harbor or Valkyries..etc Why are westerners so sensitive with Chinese entertainment that they immediately label it as propaganda? Going by this logic, many war films made by Hollywood were also propaganda?
> Going by this logic, many war films made by Hollywood were also propaganda?
They aren’t historycally accurate, that’s sad, but true.
One difference one might bring up though is that in nowadays productions from Hollywood the historical inaccuracies and selective focussing on certain events is not made because of close-state interests.
I would say whether the films would be propaganda depend a lot upon what organization is bankrolling the film. Is it the government? Are the famous movie stars in the film just so they can get a little protection from SARFT for their next few projects and not end up like Tang Wei? Pearl Harbor was made to make money and nothing more, although it did indeed play on the nationalistic feelings of Americans.
The difference is that films like Pearl Harbor and/or Valkyrie are just using existing nationalist sentiments and movie stars to sell tickets, whereas this movie is intended to increase and create nationalism.
Not to mention that most Chinese people who go to see this will probably believe it’s 100% accurate.
Nobody complained?? Have you been living under a rock mate? I’ve heard nothing but complains about movies like Pearl Harbour because of it’s historical inaccuracies and inflated US patriotism. I don’t see how you can group a movie like Patton in there though. It was a helluw a lot better in every way. Somebody give the guy his 5 mao.
c´mon. that 5 mao comment is so copied from that chinese guy in the other article. -_-”
I’m AMERICAN and I thought the movie PEARL HARBOR SUCKED! It was TERRIBLE and a lot of Americans I know feel this way.
I thought that “Saving Private Ryan” was a pretty good war movie and I also liked “Schindler’s List”.
Pearl Harbor is a joke of a film.
Actually, plenty of people did and still do complain about those films, including many if not mostly Americans. Many people, even veterans, specifically criticized Pearl Harbor for being simplistic bullshit.
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/features/pearl-harbor-the-legacy-of-a-disaster-686543.html
Errmmm . . . Perhaps you totally missed all the criticism that was levelled at Pearl Harbour for being childish bombast, and a terribly bad film to boot? Could it be that you haven’t even heard the song “Pearl Harbour sucks”?
I know of some good history books about China…written by CHINESE people.
“The Private Life of Chairman Mao” – Written by Mao’s personal physician and “Wild Swans” by Jung Chang are
two EXCELLENT books about China by Chinese authors.
Oh, and I think they are banned in China….wonder why?
Here are some of my favorites:
The Tiananmen Papers by Liang Zhang, Andrew J. Nathan, Perry Link, and Orville Schell (Paperback – Jun 4, 2002)
Mao: The Unknown Story by Jung Chang and Jon Halliday (Paperback – Nov 14, 2006)
The Private Life of Chairman Mao by Li Zhi-Sui (Paperback – April 2, 1996)
Wild Swans : Three Daughters of China by Jung Chang (Paperback – Aug 12, 2003)
Prisoner of the State: The Secret Journal of Premier Zhao ZiYang by Zhao Ziyang
Have you read them? Please don’t criticize them if you haven’t. You would appear so brainwashed if you do.
it’s reknown that Jung Chang has been distorting history in her books at levels that even known (prejudiced) scholars like Jonathan Spence totally discredit her books.
you would appear brainwashed if you blindly believe in these books.
It’s true, you shouldn’t believe everything you read… but it’s even truer that if you’ve grown up in a place like China and have limited what you know to what you learn in school, on TV, and from the offcially sanctioned translations in the Xinhua bookstore, you might not be the most informed person in the world. BTW…Jung Chung being the author of two of those titles does nothing to discredit the others.
How is Jonathan Spence prejudiced? It seems he has done his research in depth.. I am thinking of the quotation used by the Qing emperor to dismiss the caravan of gifts sent him in initial offer to cooperate along the lines “we are not interested in your tricky objects” that included a steam engine… so please point me to some demonstration of his bias!
Funny, I just mentioned two of those books also!
The film looks pretty good – production value is high – hope the history is accurate.
bs called…..hope the history is accurate!!!!!! Have you been taking mind altering substances. Historiography and propaganda are interchangeable in China. Chinese history has been rewritten so many times in the last 60 years, if you told most people that Mao lived monogameously with Daisy Duck, they would believe you. The Great Leap Forward is a new energy drink and the Cultural Revolution is Nikes latest offering in trainers.
No kidding, wenhua dageming would be an awesome name for trainers.
man. i dont know how to say, if you want to rely on the movies to tell you history, then the only thing i gotta say is that delete the hi and only watch the story.
now, the are robbing land and properties of Chinese civilians
ennn…another brainwashing film….60 years CCP occupation, without the last 30 years ass saving, who give them a f*k…
Mao again…after what he did to the whole China region the people still think he as god….wake up!!!!
bankers bankers bankers bitches
Love to see how Han heros kick those traitors and barbarians ass. Got to see this movie.
Where would the Communists be without their Western imported ideology? Did you know Socialism and Communism come from Westerners and that many of the key CCP leaders were Western educated? Where would the KMT be without their Westpoint educated generals and American funded roots? Sun Yatsen was born and educated in Hawaii!!!! Don’t bash the barbarians without knowing all the great stuff they gave China. You must take the good with the bad.
Sun Yatsen was born and educated in Hawaii. What sort of history book have you been reading? while the education part is true for the secondary level [i.e. middle school and high school], he was born in Xiangshan, Guangdong, which have now been rename Zhongshan in his memory.
Read this short New York Times clip.
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9806E0D9173CE633A25750C1A9649C946396D6CF
Even if the birth certificate was just a way to get permanent residency, it doesn’t negate the major influence the US had on China’s founding father.
actually this was made into a sizable scandal last year during Ma Yin Jou’s “green card controversy”. Sun forged the document to gain access into the US in order to secure funding. However, in last year election in TW, it has resulted in personal attack again Sun and more importantly against Ma, and the lying nature of KMT..
see here for more detail:
http://www.libertytimes.com.tw/2008/new/feb/17/today-o4.htm
lolwut
I wonder if it shows how mao murdered millions of chinese citizens?
http://www.aber.ac.uk/media/Documents/S4B/sem02.html
Make sure you read the section on metonyms.
I’ll watch this awesome movie if it’s got a scene with Jet Li and Donny Yen flying through the air while kicking that Mao character’s ass.
How can stupid Chinamen look at Taiwan’s prosperity and then conclude that the Communist victory was a good thing? Enjoy your shitty movie you brainwashed slaves.
When China was being through chaos times (Age of European imperialism, Japanese invasion, and Chinese civil war), the poverty was really high in the Mainland and Taiwan wasn’t like that under Japanese occupation.
The size of Taiwan, Korea, and Japan aren’t same as Mainland. You can’t expect a vast country with hundreds of millions people in poverty suddenly become prosperous in less than 50 years. Despite the corruption and dictatorship, PRC does their job pulling them out of poverty.
Maybe you should owe Japanese occupation for your country’s prosperity, not only your government. ;)
Pusan is in Korea you stupid fuck, I am a Korean, congrats on revealing your ignorance even further.
FYI South Korea is more populated than North Korea but that didn’t stop our lack of Marxist bullshit (also a from of Western imperialism) from making us filthy fucking rich
Go eat a bowl full of cocks you worthless Communist bandit
Yup, did I say your country is Taiwan? Didn’t Japanese occupy Korea too.
Another thing about Taiwain is did the KMT took along with them the majority of mainland wealth at the time?
Dude man, I’m sick of PUSAN PLAYA. He’s a bitch.
Pusan Playa is just a Chinese wannabe
dude man dude for sure man bro…….bahha ….man
communism rules, chinese are extremely polite and have manors !
60th anniversary for this moment in time is to powerful, it made us who we were are, i love this government.
they care about this planet we all live in and believe in freedom of thought.
They’re very active on recycling and cutting pollution and DO NOT care about money or pointless luxury brands etc….they focus on there people’s rights like medical and public safety.
totally bro like whoooaaaa
“How can stupid Chinamen look at Taiwan’s prosperity and then conclude that the Communist victory was a good thing? Enjoy your shitty movie you brainwashed slaves.”
HAHAHA, this is so true it made me laugh!
Some of those comments are harsh… like the last one… I’m surprised those people aren’t harmonized (or maybe they are) in real life.
China Film Girl=中影集团?? Do you mean group instead of girl?
Are there any good Russian directors out there? It’d be interesting to see Russia’s whole take on this period of history. My understanding is that they had their hand in both the CCP and the KMT all that time.
just as pawns. Itd be like Americans making a movie about the Cuban or the Mexican revolutions. Too hands off for a good POV(movie wise that is).
I will first watch the movie, then will judge.
Chairman never looked so cool. Although, he looks like my mother in law.
just so you know, many of the actors/actresses in this film have dropped their chinese citizenship.
Like that matters. I live in another country and have a foreign citizenship. But I still root for China and stand behind China for 100%.
As if you can’t change citizenship once you have another citizenship.
might not matter to you but there are quite a lot of controversies on the web, otherwise I wouldn’t have noticed them.
Yeah, that’s right, adopt another nationality but still carry on with all the nationalistic BS whilst you do F all for your countrymen and suffer none of the consequences of your actions. You must be real proud.
Interesting… Lots of anti-chinese comments just for a war movies that have not even been release yet.
In a way you’re right, the hatred would be unfair if the party’s propaganda machine wasn’t so fucking predictable
But it is so fuck off
what’s your problem man?
you sound like a troll
I personally can’t wait to see this movie and make burp and fart noises. Although since most of the people in the theater will be doing this naturally anyway, I probably won’t stand out in the crowd ;) SNOOGANS
I wish the movie credits more to KMT for their efforts in fighting against Japanese.
Peng: If they did that they’d have to admit that Mao made a separate peace with the Japs in 1937 and then spent the next 8 years hiding in the mountains and raping 14 year old peasant girls while he waited for the Red Army to give him a few thousand tanks to launch a “People’s War”.
Really? I am interested to read the sources you got.
It would be nice if some of the foreigners involved in helping China overthrow the Manchus and then later in fighting the Japanese got some credit too. Seems many Chinese people have no idea that America helped fund and foster the original revolution and spent years in the 1930s giving money, equipment, and even lives to fighting the Chinese cause.
WOW…the comments from netizens are shocking. guess all that patriotism from a year ago evaporated pretty quickly..
Actually you should read the actual forum posts in Chinese. These are the more extreme examples of anti-government posts. Most of them are not interesting but moderate comments, like “I will wait and see” or “I will be anticipating this”. There are of course nationalistic ones, but we all know those can not be posted on Chinasmack without causing a righteous outrage and a righteous trolling of the Chinese people.
think of it as counter-influence against transformers, I bet 9 out of 10 young people in china have watched at least one episode, now that shit is what I call “propaganda”, in which the american military could have defeated the entire decepticon alone. plasma canon lulz.
I will probly go watch this one, and I can filter out the propaganda from history.
I don’t really understand what a movie that’s supposed to be about a real historical events has to do with a completely different movie about fictional giant robots that transform themselves into cars. In any case I sort of doubt that the point of the film was to promote American military strength against the upcoming giant alien robot threat.
I sort of doubt that the point of the film was to promote American military strength against the upcoming giant alien robot threat.
Actually I was personally put in charge of that by the studio. After 9/11 we’ve gotta be ready for anything.
i saw both of them. the second one was funy when the interational forces used US-tech to smash bad aliens inside of Chainghai.. so were egyptian tanks(aehhmm sold by USA to Egyp) and defense forces involved in the last fight of marines+international freewill coalition vs the fallen +desepticons. all the way for global merchandise and great show..
whoopps sory for the spoil… ps. looks like you suck some dicks in yellow master race now..
So you don’t think hollywood and the military industrial complex are in bed together? How deep it goes I have no idea, but I know for sure there is an understanding between them when hollywood is using “the hardware” and “expertise” of the MIC.
WHAHAHAHAHA.. you are so naive! well, i give a shit about..
aside that all chinese movies are done with staff, logistic help and money of PLA. even the bitches wich sleeps with producers are payed or owned by yellow master race millitary.
“military industrial complex” ftw.. WHAHAHAHA..
CCP propaganda cannot match CNN
good ol’ times when they used to make films like Rambo or Missing in Action where the american hero goes to save to world from evil communists… (and those films became cults in the west)
Rambo is funny though…I don’t know any Americans who take movies like that seriously.
I guess it could be pereceived as propaganda on one level but I just take it as a joke.
Mmmm what about a news association like CPPCNN. It sounds like the meetings in beijing CNPC and CPPCC. I suggest a hostile OPA
As this is a paricularly inane thread, I shall continue in the same vein. The KMT didnt exactly take the fight to the Japanese occupiers. Rather they spent their time looting the countries art treasures and doing drug deals with the Green Gang (Shanghai)and the Japanese….opium and penicillin. The CP had a slightly better if bloody record. Mao spent his time dealing with his chronic constipation, whacking contenders for the top spot within the party and bopping peasant girls who picked their noses. While the CP has my political symapthies, I would have gone with the KMT as you got to interact with a better class of concubine. Finally, Mr Pusan Playa is a grub…lets dispense with this chinks rubbish…Chinese with a capital C suffices. You might make some valid historical points about the Soviet/CP relationship, but but you lose your audience due to you obsession to provoke.
This is a website that translates all the inane forum posts made by Chinese people into English (an observation, not a complaint; we love you Fauna, stay the course!). It makes sense that a startlingly large proportion of comments here are a little wacky.
With the top 3 Most Viewed stories involving naked Chinese girls, I’m surprised that the quality of comments here is so *high*. Studious language learners must be bringing up the average.
PUSAN you are an embarrassment to Koreans. Stop trolling
along with the other people making immature comments.
Which country doesn’t have some type of Propaganda?
IMO you are the only ones who too stupid not to be brainwashed.
I thought both KMT and CCP fought the Japanese as ‘Chinese people’ (although the KMT probably did more work).
CCP still did a good job with China regardless, it’s just unfortunate that there is still a wealth gap like every other country.
“Which country doesn’t have some type of Propaganda?”
I totally agree with you but one of the things that makes a country like China ‘unique’ is that most of the people (to me) appear to be unaware of the propaganda they are subjected to….in my country we’re always critical, suspicious of what we are exposed to….just look at 9/11 for example…some people think it’s a domestic conspiracy and some people think it was caused by terrorists.
Chinese people seem unable to entertain the notion that their own government could be the cause of many of their problems.
Rather than acceptable ability for itself China seems to prefer blaming most of its problems on JAPAN and “The West”…..and how many countries make-up “The West”?
Like there’s this big conspiracy between EVERY western country to screw with China….get real.
“Rather than acceptable ability for itself China seems to prefer blaming most of its problems on JAPAN and “The West”…..and how many countries make-up “The West”?”
Sorry, I wrote “acceptable ability” when I should have written “accept responsibility”.
Well, if it really depicts the suffering of the Chinese people at the hands of these 2 warlords and their respective power-thirsty political parties… then it is a good thing. If it is an exercise of narcissistic pseudo-patriotic onanism… “talk to the hand”
Yeah, I totally agree with you Kailing Fan….but I’m afraid that it’s just gonna be one of those “Our Government is so great and perfect” kind of movies.
Chinese movies usually sucks anyways, TV series are far better. I’m impressed with 人间正道是沧桑(The Road We Have Taken) and I doubt this will be better. And as far as movies goes 中影集团 (Chinafilm Group) has a bad track record with making “epic” movies about this period, 广西电影制片厂 has done far better.
Its the kind of movie where if a member of the cast doesn’t like a little part of the plot, they vanish, like the invisible vanishing millions in the movie.
Barrrrrrrrrrf!
Only problem with chinese commie is that they did not reconque outer mongolia. Whenever China weak, all those barbarians try to go independent. Now they are wiser. Flooding those new lands with hans is the best solution. If hans remain minority there, this market dominant minority will always face ethinc hatred and genocide. Democracy + capitalism + marketdominant minority = genocide!
http://www.amazon.com/World-Fire-Exporting-Democracy-Instability/dp/0385503024
I kinda hope that you are a troll and not trying to be serious. Either way your post is incredibly idiotic and I seriously did my best to find any sense and logic in it. In that I failed. Mongolia is NOT China and it has a very long history as well as it’s own language, culture and ethnicity regardless of the “We are all Chinese” crap you so often hear.
If you had half a brain or had done just a minimum of history reading you should also have realised that both PR China and the Soviet Union wanted and needed a semi-independent Mongolia as a buffer state between them during the latter part of the 20th century. Had one or the other conquered it or had it not existed there would almost certainly have been a huge war during the Sino-Soviet crisis years,, a war that China probably would have lost decisively.
And just for the record since some morons still don’t realise it: Han is not an ethnic race so there isn’t much idea in trying to identify with it. It makes much more sense to use the “Chinese” term in the way that you want it to sound. Han is only partly useful when it comes to distinguishing yourself from the minorities in China,, and why would you even do that in a Harmonious Society?
c’mon, you little shit! do it! i will make sure your family will be the part in the first storming human wave running against russian, central asian and mongolian armies. no matter what kind of shithole on this you are from.
Honestly, the more nationalistic the movie is, the more boring it is, as far as my experience with Chinese movies has gone. The more interesting of their movies have been ones that have explored individuals. Maybe I’ll catch it on youku or something later. Not really making my MUST WATCH list.
Pure Propaganda as many Americans movies….
Except most Americans don’t take “propaganda” movies seriously….that’s one of the differences between American and Chinese audiences.
Americans known when they are being lied to.
Seems like everyone these days is making ‘Propaganda’ sound like a very offensive term. Afterall it is a movie about a movement event.
Now to offend with the term propaganda:
Tibet issues – That’s just propaganda!
Iraq issues – That’s just propaganda!
India and Pakistand issues – That’s just propaganda!
Isreal issues – That’s just propaganda!
Africa – That’s just propaganda!
Nobel Prize- That’s just propaganda!
Oil – That’s just propaganda!
Global Warming – That’s just propaganda!
Obama – That’s just propaganda!
CCP – That’s just propaganda!
THE WHOLE WORLD IS JUST FUCKING PROPAGANDA!
And the biggest motherload of all Propaganda = RELIGION!
hey man the world can be anything in your mind, don’t see what is your point?
What’s proper for goose is proper for the gander.
i know your education sucks therefore:
Propaganda is communication aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause. As opposed to impartially providing information, propaganda in its most basic sense, often presents information primarily in order to influence its audience. Propaganda often presents facts selectively (thus lying by omission) to encourage a particular synthesis, or gives loaded messages in order to produce an emotional rather than rational response to the information presented. The desired result is a change of the attitude toward the subject in the target audience to further a political agenda.
kind of like the media war
(between the two heads of the same snake)
that is a US presidential election
omg nothing is real ftw
http://www.aber.ac.uk/media/Documents/S4B/sem02.html
lets not forget human rights
All war movies are just for entertainment and for a few to do some chest beating and grand standing and berating the enemies.
If it was a documentary, then its a different story altogether.
Is this all they can manage? people either killing each other, long scenes of people riding bicycles between villages or hours and hours of crying wimps on tv.
Cant wait to see the KMT stealing all the National treasures from Beijing and how they conquered Taiwan. Havent seen that on film yet.
Or Mao torturing Chinese people and having sex with dozens of Chinese peasant girls….I wonder if that will be included in the movie as well!
Probably not know but you know the actor will play it with that in mind. Every kid in a ‘capitalist democracy’ is taught to hate people like Mao, but secretly they all want to be him. lets face it Mao was a pimp… in a good and bad way
Haha, funny!
Hmm, I guess it is true that most people in Mao’s position would have behaved the same way as he did…but that doesn’t make his behavior ethical.
I don’t think Mao was so bad for having sex with a lot of women (basically every man’s dream) but the way he treated the Chinese people…..the Cultural Revolution and Great Leap Forward were terrible.
We all know that history is written by the winners and no country is free of this. Look at the Alamo, us Americans love to see ourselves as the good guys in this war (watch the movie). In reality it was fought mostly over the Texans wanting to have slaves and biased taxes. A few years later it was the Federals or the blue coats in the American Civil War that were the good guys fighting against slavery (and lots of other things, but slavery is what the average American’s answer is). China can pat themselves on the back and say they were the good guys and make biased movies, the rest of us would be pretty hypocritical to get pissed off about that. Correct them if they say its historically correct and shit on the movie if it sucks, but the concept is fine.
I just hope this movie is so successful that it will at least decrease the amount of war shows I see on tv when i (rarely) watch it. Maybe replace it with some kung fu. I never see any of those.
i love how everyone has a opinion and outraged by the film’s misrepresentation of ‘truth’ even though no one has actually watch the film
Quite a few of my colleagues were saying the other day that all Chinese students must be made to see this film, because they “don’t know enough about history”. When I pointed out that no one has seen it yet, and that no one knows much about history apart from the older generations who lived thru it (TV shows about how everyone was psopserous and happy in the 60s don’t cut it with my in-laws), they just ignored me as the village idiot as usual.
thanks to the americans the chinese have freedom.
if we never intervened the japs, ya’ll would’ve been slave even today!
Boiling outrage on the Chinese blogs about all the “foreign” Chinese actors in this movie. Someone explain rationally why that matters?
“Will you go and watch “Jian Guo Da Ye“? It will debut on 17 September.”
I’ll wait ’till it comes out on pirate DVD.
I will also wait until I can dl it.
thanks to the bankers of the world we all have so called ‘freedom’ and someone to hate
when is the movie about mao meeting nixon going to come out
haha the idiot who says “americans know when they have been lied to”
The average american is stupid. They neednt be brainwashed. They are born stupid. People like me take advantage of these stupid people to make a quick buck. Thats why some Americans are soooo rich. Others are dirt cheap.
Ok, now looks at that quote IN CONTEXT:
“Except most Americans don’t take “propaganda” movies seriously….that’s one of the differences between American and Chinese audiences.
Americans known when they are being lied to.”
I maintain that many Americans would look at propaganda-type film as not being historically accurate….in general, I think Americans are more skeptical than Chinese…my opinion, sorry if you disagree with it.
Americans are “born stupid” ? That’s a ridiculous statement….most people aren’t born stupid.
Please define your terms and provide some evidence to support your silly little claims.