“90% of Chinese Peasants Live As They Did 40 Years Ago”

2014 NPC and CPPCC.


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From NetEase:

CPPCC Member: The Lives of 90% of Peasants [Rural Residents] Are the Same as 40 Years Ago, Where Are The Fruits of the Reform?

Summary: National Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC) member Shu Hongbing said during a CPPCC group meeting of the independent/non-party affiliated that many peasants [rural residents] are as they were 40 years ago, with 90% of peasants dying in their homes because of heavy medical expenses, their children’s access to education have not improved but have instead become even more difficult. Similar to the topic of smog [air pollution] during the Two Meetings, it is “too luxurious/extravagant” [irrelevant, only of significance to the upper classes] for the ordinary common people at the lowest levels of society.

Time: Yesterday.

Location: Small group meeting of the CPPCC independent/non-party affiliated.

Person: Shu Hongbing

Shu Hongbing
Shu Hongbing

Voice: People are unequal from the moment of birth, but are we unable to make it a bit more equal?

Southern Metropolis Daily report — Have the topics in discussion at the Two Meetings been too high-end, impressive, and high-class, that the ordinary common people feel they are very “luxurious” [irrelevant]? Yesterday, during the small group meeting of the CPPCC independent/non-party affiliated, National CPPCC member, Chinese Academy of Science scholar, and Wuhan University Deputy Dean Shu Hongbing expressed that many of the topics discussed at the Two Meetings are very necessary but in the eyes of the lowest levels of the ordinary common people, problems like smog inevitably seem “too luxurious” and not important issues that they care about.

Hometown primary school students continue to suffer “darkness at both ends” to go to school

“Twenty-some days ago, I went back to my hometown Chongqing city Rongchang county Yuanjiao town Qingu village and was extremely saddened. A bit after 6 in the morning, I saw elementary schoolchildren in twos and threes along the road, some six or seven years old, some over 10 years old, carrying bookbags going to school from the fields. The young woman in my car said to me that this is ‘groping in the dark at both ends’, groping about in the dark in the morning to go to school, and groping around the dark to go home at night after school, with 5 Chinese li between their homes and the primary school, with may primary school students having to walk 10 li of mountain roads roundtrip.”

Shu Hongbing says he is 47 years old this year, and 40 years ago, he was like these children as well, rising early and sleeping late rushing along on mountain paths to go to school. What is different is that 40 years later is that the prospects of going to school for children has not only not improved but has actually become more difficult. “Nowadays because of the consolidation/merging of village primary schools, children can only walk longer distances, to go to the central primary school in the town for class.”

“It’s been 40 years now, and the trip I took to go to school back then was even somewhat shorter, while the mountain paths they have to walk now are even longer than during my time, with some children just six or seven years old, sometimes even walking alone. Seeing this is truly heartbreaking! If it were your own child, would you want them to grope around in the dark walking ten li of mountain roads to go to school? That’d be impossible!”

“We still need to do more to help the people at the lowest levels”

What was once an enthusiastic discussion among the small group quieted after Shu Hongbing shared his account. Shu Hongbing continued, “We’ve talked about the problem of education in the villages of impoverished mountain areas all these years, and it has been more than just one CPPCC member who has raised these problems. I know that people are not equal from the moment they are born, but are we unable to make it a little more equal?” Shu Hongbing said passionately, “Their parents are out there [in other parts of the country] working, making contributions to society, returning home only when they are injured and disabled, while the village is filled with the old, feeble, sick, and disabled. At my school, I’m a deputy dean responsible for graduate students, and I ask why our doctorate students don’t go to the villages to do social investigations [sociological research], and write an investigation into [what has changed] over the past 30 or 40 years, investigating how these people are born, how they grow up, how they go to school, how they work, how they live, how they die from illness, and then they will be amazed to discover that are basically [living in the same conditions] as 30 or 40 years ago. Where have the fruits of the Reform and Opening Up gone? 90% of the peasants in our countryside are as they were in the past, not dying in hospitals, dying in their homes, because their households can’t afford the medical care. So I call for us to still do more to help the people at the lowest levels.”

40 years later, children’s access to education have no only not gotten better, they’ve instead become even more difficult.

The younger generation are all leaving their hometowns for work, while those left in the villages are all the old, feeble, sick, and disabled, so tell me where is the happiness in these families?

— Shu Hongbing

The people left behind in China's rural countryside: elderly parents, women, and children.

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Shu Hongbing: The value of the people on the lowest levels of society have not been recognized.

Reporter: You just said many of the topics at the Two Meetings are very luxurious [irrelevant to the poorer classes], so how can we make these topics not luxurious?

Shu Hongbing: CPPCC members are all elites, so a lot of the time what they see are the things they themselves pay attention to, but may not be the things of the lowest classes. Perhaps what I consider luxurious is also very important and it is just that I pay more attention to our ordinary common people at the bottommost level of society, because I myself was born in poverty.

I’ve always said that in our village, the changes of these past decades have had both positive and negative effects. Rural households in the mountainous areas, not many are whole and intact [members, usually young parents and small children are separated]. These 40 years happen to be where the changes in Chinese society have been the biggest, but go back to the rural countryside villages and take a look. Other than people having built two-story buildings, the insides are empty and vacant; they’re just two-story shells. Their quality of life–conditions of medical care and how their children go to school haven’t really changed. The younger generation has all gone out [left hometowns] to work, and those left in the villages are all the old, weak, sick, and disabled. Tell me where is the happiness in these families?

Reporter: The Two Meetings will soon conclude; what hopes do you have?

Shu Hongbing: I hope the country/government will attach importance to these ordinary common people at the lowest rung of society, because they have indeed made contributions to the country. If these [migrant] workers were to leave, all the cities would immediately be paralyzed. The reflection and recognition of their value is I think still not enough.

The government needs to be resolute in shrinking the gap between the rich and poor and the income gap, needs to pay more attention to the lowest class. It has to do this. For example, how to increase incomes for rural residents, do more infrastructure.

Reporter: How do you think [the government] can increase the proportion of grassroots [from the lower classes of society] CPPCC members and National People’s Congress representatives, in order for those bodies to better represent the lower classes?

Shu Hongbing: Representation, representation needs to represent interests! People have to be selected from all levels of society. Right now, quite a few people’s viewpoint is that if you select grassroots people to become members, their characters [level of self-cultivation, education, abilities] are not high and their ability to fulfill their duty would be very poor. I also don’t know what to say. It may not be ability that is necessary, but what we need is more representativeness.

Comments from NetEase:

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网易北京市手机网友 ip:219.143.*.*:

A person with a conscience.

网易湖北省十堰市手机网友 ip:58.53.*.*:

Dares to speak out what he himself has seen, without glossing over it or hiding it, this is a true representative of the people!

网易山西省手机网友 ip:183.203.*.*:

Shu Hongbing, I support you!!! I also come from the rural countryside, and deeply know [of what you say] from experience!

土生土长的山药蛋 [网易美国手机网友]:

The number of [CPPCC] members who speak the truth are increasing; a good phenomenon.

奇尺大乳 [网易江苏省苏州市网友]:

I’m willing to be represented by you, thank you!


Written by Fauna

Fauna is a mysterious young Shanghainese girl who lives in the only place a Shanghainese person would ever want to live: Shanghai. In mid-2008, she started chinaSMACK to combine her hobby of browsing Chinese internet forums with her goal of improving her English. Through her tireless translation of popular Chinese internet news and phenomenon, her English has apparently gotten dramatically better. At least, reading and writing-wise. Unfortunately, she's still not confident enough to have written this bio, about herself, by herself.

  • ElectricTurtle

    How does the maxim go? “Without the CCP, there would be no new China!” Apparently there’s no new China with the CCP either. Meanwhile, the KMT has made Taiwan a first world country, rural areas included. Being a farmer in Taiwan is little different from being a farmer in Europe or the US.

    • moeimoei


    • JackYu

      Wenn man keine Ahnung hat: einfach mal Fresse halten!

      You’ve obviously never been to the Taiwan countryside, so why don’t you stop posting such bullsh…?

      I’ve been working as a technical consultant on agricultural biogas all over Asia in the last couple of years and let me tell you that a) There are worlds between European and Taiwanese farmers and b) life for Chinese farmers has changed pretty drastically over the last 40 years. Satellite dishes, modern (pretty ugly though) houses, motorbikes and mobile phones. That might not say anything about the gap between urban and rural population and also not about the happiness factor but at least technologically, those people live a completely different live now than just 10 years ago.

    • Insomnicide

      Did you know that the KMT was filthy rich from laundering billions of dollars which they brought over to Taiwan when they fled? Did you know that the KMT led Taiwan was given billions dollars worth of economical assistance by the US government during the cold war? Did you know that Taiwan was developed by the Japanese during the colonization era and the Japanese built factories and roads in Taiwan unlike in China where they destroyed millions of farms, factories, roads, hospitals, etc.? Did you know that the CCP managed to ban footbinding and practically slavery of women where as the KMT did nothing for that? Did you know that the CCP practised equal land distribution?

      There’s a reason why the CCP came to power, there’s a reason why they are credited with building the ‘new China’. They didn’t become the government of China through communist magic. Using Taiwan, a tiny island with consistent funding and economical support as well as ready made infrastructure to compare to mainland China, a vast majority rural unindustrialised land is a display of ignorance in both context and history.

      • nita

        The CCP is ridiculously corrupt. The politicians only care about enriching themselves using their power. They have made China the industrial landfill of the world with its lack of environmental regulation. They are unable or unwilling to provide universal health care even though almost all other industrialized nations have it (including Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea). The rural areas are still in terrible condition. There is no democracy. The CCP needs to allow elections if it wants China to move forward.

        • linette lee

          I love how these thieves rich China folks officials with their mistresses come over to Hong Kong shopping with a bag of cash(They use cash and can easily throw down $$$$$ on the counter…probably money they stole.) Walk around like they are so high class. The Hkese all call them behind their back “look…another one” like another one of those thieves coming down to spend their stolen cash. They are such trash. One time I heard in a store a China woman fighting with a Hk woman and the China woman kept saying China is richer than HK. The HK woman replied by saying 99% of China folks are living like third world country. You China folks are still third world. hahahahah…lol.

          I really want to add and say “A third world country with a third world gov’t system.” lol.

          • Insomnicide

            What does you post prove? That HKers hate their own people and China is disunified as ever?

          • christina

            Linette… when you first joined the site I thought you had many wonderful things to say.
            Over the years (it has been years, shockingly) you’ve started spouting a lot of vitriol. Keep in mind that putting down mainland chinese folks might feel good, but to the rest of the world, there is very little difference between the mainland and hk and you are ultimately hurting your own people. You might balk at the idea of mainland chinese being “your people” but – we’re all Chinese. There’s no ethnic “Hongkongese.”

          • Gouty Toes

            I am setting a heap of jelly in the fridge as we speak. You girls run home and grab your bikinis and LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE!!!!!!

          • linette lee

            Calling China Chinese third world is to wake them up. The rich China folks think just because they have money to spend living in big condos they think they are first class. How dumb. In Hk our definition of first world is not having materialistic things. A country is first world only when none of their citizens starve. Everyone have equal access to healthcare rich or poor. Equal access to education and job opportunity. There should be law against discrimination. Only with that, a country can be considered first world.
            The China folks still have a long way to go. They never experience growing up in a first world society so it’s very hard to explain to them. They think HK folks are looking down on them when we try to explain that to them. To them having money is first world and first class.

            And I don’t look down on them. I pity them because they will never understand for they will never experience what it’s like living in a first world society where rich and poor are treated equally like human being. Where they will be treated equally before the law.

            In short I am trying to say the China Chinese do not understand the definition of FIRST WORLD COUNTRY.

          • lonetrey / Dan

            As much I agree with you Linette, I want to put this out there:

            I think the flaw in our way of thinking is that we shouldn’t be wanting to change their lives for them for what we think would be better for them.

            If they want change, they must want that change for themselves. As much as I dislike the idea, it seems that Chinese people who live under the shadow of the CCP should stay in the shadow until they are ready to try a new lifestyle. And if they don’t have the tools to invoke change,…. well, then we can start discussing how to handle that.

            @x3snickerdoodles:disqus has a point, but I don’t think I realized what she said about myself until she put it into words…. Even though you and I would like to improve their lives, there’s just so little we can do across the internet upon our keyboards other than type our frustration into words. And sometimes that digital dialogue can do damage.

            Not that I’ll be changing the way I say things, but I still feel like I never thought about the way I talked like this before.

          • linette lee

            I talk to China folks on Weibo and some get insulted and angry. Some actually agree with me. Don’t underestimate the power of internet communication. Why do you think China try so hard to build a great firewall. They want to keep the China Chinese like sheeps.

          • Dick Leigh

            When I lived in China I talked to a lot of people about what they thought of their country. Most people hated the CCP, loved their country and hoped for a better future.

            Idealism changed with age though. A lot of the older people had first hand experience with corruption, like the woman I met who went to university for environmental science and afterwards got a job inspecting factories. She quit after a year or so because the job disgusted her; she had to give good marks to polluting factories or lose her job because her boss already accepted bribes.

            She was a student while I was teaching English and said this during class. Generated a lot of debate for the rest of the class as a few of her fellow students were incredulous that this could even happen in modern China.

          • Progressive Dubstep

            Dick Leigh dat name :)

            i agree with you 1005

          • maybeabanana

            Dieu leigh….:)

          • Progressive Dubstep

            dieu leigh lao mu LOL

          • Dick Leigh

            it’s my real name too. :)

          • Progressive Dubstep

            dieu leigh

          • Irvin

            no, there’s just too much porn on the internet.

          • lonetrey / Dan

            Oh no, I love talking to Chinese citizens about this! I don’t get as many chances as you, but the most prominent example I have is meeting an overseas student on my last year at college. Met him only once, but he saw me browsing ChinaSmack. Had a good talk with him about Chinese corruption, and he completely agreed.

            On the other hand, I have a nice memory of a Chinese international student at a Bible study meeting. The floor was set to speak about religion and what it means in our live. This one guy volunteers to take the mic, and when he has it he starts trawling on and on and on about how great China is. About how much greatness it can achieve, and how much respect he has for it. He had enough breath at the end (like, 30 seconds out of his 5 minute speech) to tag religion as something that might have positive effects for China while USA is full of moral decay. By the time the mic was handed back to the coordinators, you could practically hear the cringing from the entire room. Doubt he would have responded so nicely to anything I would have to say to him.

            It’s just fascinating for me to see these extremes played out by people in real life. I hear these opinions all the time on the internet, but it’s quite something to hear someone whole-heartedly agree with you about corruption in China and shocking to hear a modern day Red Guard member mouth off USA and praise China simultaneously.

            If we both had jobs related to this, I think I would be a journalist/archivist and you would be a news reporter instead.

          • maybeabanana

            So you are saying “uhhhh duhhhrrr I am only a person ..what can I do about the big government and anything else for that matter?” Knowledge and ideas if understood can be powerful. So many intelligent people in China and you can’t get a group cohesive enough to grow a presence of change… or a spine for that matter. Some one or group should enthuse them me thinks…since the lot of them just gave up without effort or live in propaganda fears.

          • lonetrey / Dan

            That’s only half what I mean. I don’t mean they should give up, I mean they should try for themselves and we should nudge them onto the path instead of hoisting them over our heads and tossing them onto the road.

            And that when we can’t directly tackle the problem, as a person typing on a keyboard I was guessing that it could be frustrating being bottlenecked by this problem (of being separated by the internet).

            I imagine that if I were to speak about with people face to face in China, I would probably invoke the same reaction of Christina to Linette. I really do have a way of being abrasive with people on this subject sometimes :/

          • Kai

            Dan, to your credit, even if you think you share similar thoughts as Linette, I don’t recall you ever articulating them in the sheer shameless self-aggrandizing bigoted ways Linette has. So yeah, don’t change the way you say things.

          • linette lee

            “sheer shameless self-aggrandizing bigoted ways ”

            noooo…..it’s called tell it like it is , or frankly speaking , or
            If it looks like a duck and walks/quack/flies like a duck, it is a duck. >.<
            I'm just not good at sugar coating the truth. I can't change the duck into a chicken. lol.

          • lonetrey / Dan

            Haha, I try not to tell people that a duck is a duck, nor try to convince them that it’s a chicken.

            I simply tell them it’s a bird, and leave them to hopefully figure out it’s a duck rather than a cow.

          • christina

            I’m glad to know you don’t look down on them (because they’re people too and largely a product of their environment), and totally agree that it’s very sad many will never, ever experience what it’s like to live in a society where rich and poor are treated equally, simply because they’re human beings.

            Be careful though, you lump 1.7 billion people together all the time, making sweeping statements about “China Chinese” and “HKese.” China is definitely not a first world country- it’s still developing and I personally think it has 50-75 years to go before it catches up to the USA. Economically, it’s very strong, but it still has serious social and moral problems.

            I don’t think it’s exactly our place to explain to them why China is not a first world country- like @lonetrey:disqus says below, they need to recognize and want that change for themselves. Often times, criticism only inflames them and makes them less likely to see what we want them to. Also, I’m pretty sure most Chinese recognize the dismal state of affairs, but hearing it from others only rubs salt in the wound.

            All love, no hate.

          • linette lee

            I agree. They need to want it for themselves especially those sitting on the top of China society because they are the ones with power and influence. The bottom folks don’t have any say and are always hungry worry about food on the table daily.

            Pretty much nothing they can do. The top powerful rich folks control everything and don’t want to give away their power and fortunes. The bottom folks are hungry and can’t have any say. China 1.4 billions folks 2/3 of them are bred for slave work to serve the rich and make them richer. These poor slaves will never leave China. Their sole purpose is to build up China economy and then go die of illness or cancer.

            Some bxtch like me just have to say it out loud that’s all. lol.


          • maybeabanana

            You are a slave too, and so are the lot of us.

          • linette lee

            yes, I am a slave. But a slave with benefits. I know if I become unemployed or disabled I can collect welfare in the first world country. Nobody starve. I never have to worry about hungry or cold. Is this peace of mind that makes living in first world country much better than living wealthy in a third world country. You find peace when you feel safe. Peace = Happy.

          • maybeabanana

            Mmmhmm security over freedom and liberty….yes indeed you are a happy slave. Might I add a good one, exactly what the govt want …bahhhhhh.

          • linette lee

            You don’t have freedom and liberty living in first world countries? You have it in third world countries? I guess in a sense you are right because the rich in third world countries don’t need to abide to the law. They can buy their way out of justice. With money they can buy anything in the third world countries like out of jail or human body parts or fake passport. It’s much harder to do that in first world countries. Even the president can go to jail.

            The the best way to live is….if you are rich you live in the third world countries. If you are poor you live in the first world countries and live on welfare. Good life.

          • maybeabanana

            Which president lately has gone through anything close to jail? After all the lying and trampling of the constitution? Heck even senators and 3 letter agencies get to lie lie and lie some more…Live in the now dude.

          • linette lee

            Oh come on now….

            Which president went to jail? None, but they can. It’s not easy for them to buy themselves out of jail and that’s the beauty of it. There is consequence. Obama can go to jail if he commit crime or murder a low income disabled person. Try that with the rich powerful China president or China officials.

          • linette lee

            I’m not wasting my time to debate with you. Can’t get it in your head that living in big expensive condo and driving Mercedes is not equal to first world. China is not first world yet hardly. For a country that is the second richest economy in the world their living condition is NOT ACCEPTABLE for most of the rural folks. Even low income poor people in first world countries live better than them. You go ahead and keep bragging how rich China folks are living in big condos and iphones.

          • maybeabanana

            Accusing much? Did you process my replies or are you just lumping..there there you don’t get it, its okay … good sheep, go on and graze those gmo grass.

          • cantonizi

            Canada is the best third world country in all the world and we don’t like Chinese like you to come here and take our welfare and living wealthy in a 3rd world western country.
            Yeah nobody starves here ‘cos they all go to food banks that are everywhere in this 3rd world country and the rich donates to them to keep the poor in a feel good place.

          • linette lee

            Tell them. Tell your Canada gov’t to stop allowing Chinese from China or HK or Taiwan to buy citizenships. Your gov’t is selling one citizenship for $800,000. The rich ones come and use your taxpayers schools and hospitals but they don’t stay. Maybe your gov’t should charge them 5 millions per citizenship to cover the cost. But then they will probably just go to USA instead. You send these Chinese to USA instead and tell USA to send their welfare people to you. You make a switch. lol. EVerybody happy. hahahaha…

            No..for real. No able bodied should be collecting welfare if they don’t work in the country and pay tax. So what they paid for their citizenships. All able bodied citizens should only get welfare if they work and pay tax. The only ones don’t have to are the sick, disabled, children, and old people.

          • Irvin

            bitch like you just need to stfu.

          • Progressive Dubstep

            she is only saying that beacuase she is scared. @linettelee:disqus go to britain if you need madam :)

          • Mighty曹

            I hold the same value as you. That’s what our grand parents and parents taught us. China is our homeland and we’re all Chinese, etc. Unfortunately most mainland Chinese don’t share similar sentiment with us ‘oversea’ Chinese. It was here in CS that I took a different stance. [However, to my credit, you may find me on other sites/forums defending China on various issues over relationship with Japan, the islands disputes, etc].

          • Kai

            A lot of mainland Chinese resent overseas Chinese, kinda like how those in the ghetto resent those who escaped it.


          • Mighty曹

            Precisely! Those who left have to adapt to the new environment and mentality lest they be labeled as “no class”, “uneducated”, “no manner” (the list goes on).

            Btw, did you just call China a ghetto? tsk tsk….

          • Kai

            ZING! <—!!!!!

          • Mighty曹

            That’s Linette’s place.

          • linette lee

            And they resent HK people too calling us dogs. Now who is the arrogant ones?

          • Progressive Dubstep

            what are you? chinese or a forigner?

          • Kai

            Similarly, people criticizing you are trying to wake you up as well. There’s a lot of shit mainlanders (and other people) can say about Hong Kong people. If you don’t like it when they talk shit about HK and Hong Kongers, you shouldn’t be so eager to engage in petty shit-slinging against mainlanders.

            Talking shit about Chinese people on chinaSMACK whose audience is mostly expats, foreigners, and ethnic Chinese with overseas backgrounds does very little to actually “wake up” mainland Chinese people. Why? Because they don’t have the English language skills to use cS and DO have the Chinese language skills to not find cS useful for accessing Chinese internet culture and content.

            Now, it is POSSIBLE that you think making mean-spirited remarks about mainlanders on cS actually will help “wake up” mainlanders, but odds are you just find it fun to make mean-spirited and often woefully ignorant remarks against a favorite target. Like many foreigners and expats who come here and make mean-spirited and often ignorant remarks generalizing Chinese people, you’re ranting, venting, complaining, bitching, gossiping, putting down people behind their backs…because there’s a measure of catharsis when doing so in an environment of people who likely share your views.

            What you are doing is very unlikely the selfless “tough love” excuse you are making here.

            Complaints, criticisms, and even contempt are totally human. That you have contempt for mainlanders is not unusual or hard to understand. What is obnoxious however is this false veneer of trying to “wake them up”. You don’t really care about them. If you did, you wouldn’t be so reliably condescending and patronizing towards them.

            Given how Hong Kong is routinely criticized by others AND ITSELF for its materialistic consumerist lifestyle culture, it’s a bit ridiculous that you’d say the definition of “first world in HK is not having materialistic things”. You’ve got to be joking me. I might as well say mainland Chinese people think public spitting is bad since it’s similarly divorced from reality. Way to falsely overestimate your own to put down another.

            And I don’t look down on them. I pity them because they will never understand for they will never experience what it’s like living in a first world society where rich and poor are treated equally like human being. Where they will be treated equally before the law.

            Wow, the condescension and self-assured certainty of one’s superiority is thick here. You don’t look down on them but you “pity” them? You never learned in America that the expression is often used interchangably? You think they will “never” understand? That they will “never” experience living in a first world society? How did your Hong Kong ancestors come to understand then? How did they come to live in a first world society?

            Hong Kong is great and obviously superior to mainland China in many many ways, but your bigotry is something you share with the worst bigots in mainland China. While unfair, that reflects poorly on Hong Kong, on Hong Kong Chinese, and eventually on Chinese people overall.

          • linette lee

            Very long and angry reply. Are we talking about politics or consumer affair?
            I do make similar remarks on Weibo to the China folks. I also criticize the HK gov’t on HK yahoo.
            I never said HK is superior and better than China. China is a much stronger economy than HK. They have more money.
            This is a debate site and this article is about the things I point out. Are you telling your bloggers not to post their opinions about the article?

          • Kai

            You do understand my reply is angry because your comment was mean-spirited and bigoted, right?

            If you make similar arrogant “we HK people are better than you mainlanders” comments on Weibo, you do understand you’re making HK look bad, right?

            I’m glad you criticize the HK government on Yahoo HK, but I’m not accusing you of not doing so. You doing so is irrelevant to my criticisms about your offensive remarks here.

            No, this isn’t a debate site, but debates do happen in comment sections and that’s fine. I don’t see how you’re “debating” though.

            You China folks are still third world. hahahahah…lol.

            I really want to add and say “A third world country with a third world gov’t system.” lol.

            The article is not about HK people looking down their nose at “third world” mainlanders.

            Are you telling your bloggers not to post their opinions about the article?

            What? What the hell are you talking about? What prompted this question? Our translators and contributors can post their opinions about articles in the comments section like everyone else. In fact, we generally advise them to always put their opinions in the comments section like everyone else, to avoid editorializing the original post with their own opinion. primarily keeping it translations showing what the original Chinese media and netizens wrote. Still, how do this have any relevance to my criticism of your haughty bigotry?

          • linette lee

            “You China folks are still third world. hahahahah…lol.”
            This comment was made by that HK lady in the store,but it was after that China lady talk shxt about HK people and how rich China is.
            “I really want to add and say “A third world country with a third world gov’t system.” lol.”

            This comment was just a thought. I didn’t actually said it to that mean China lady. But China is a third world country is a fact. The LOL part I thought it was funny how the China lady thought money means first world.

          • cantonizi

            Funny how Canadians and HKers think alike?
            In Canada we hate HKers coming here and buying up all our cheap houses for millions of $$$$$$$$$$dollars than go on welfare to stay in the wealthy way of life when they can’t get a job in the white man’s company.
            So the HKers say the same about the fake rich Chinese mainlanders, so rich.

          • Kai

            I don’t get offended when HK people call China a third world country, I get offended when HK people act like snobs and bigots. You were acting like one, and you have repeatedly and reliably during your time on cS. If you don’t, I won’t be offended.

          • linette lee

            I only act like a snob to those snobbish selfish China Chinese who have no manners and behave like barbarians. So it shouldn’t concert you. You are not one of them.

            This is very common behavior of China Chinese in HK. They do not follow policy and verbally attack other people. They don’t understand regulation or simple proper manners.


          • Kai

            No, you’re acting like a snob on a website where those snobbish selfish “China Chinese” you refer to are not present. That’s like me acting like a racist to those racist white people that I refer to but actually aren’t here.

            Moreover, you acting like a snob to another snob just means there are two people being obnoxious and unsympathetic. If there’s a mainland Chinese person being a dick embarrassing mainland China, why join in and embarrass Hong Kong?

            It concerns me because your bigotry unfortunately albeit unfairly reflects upon all Chinese people just like any mainland people’s snobbishness, lack of manners, and barbaric behavior reflects upon all Chinese. Those people are not present for me to criticize and shame. You are. Just because you say others are snobbish, have no manners, and behave like barbarians does not excuse you from being the same way.

            The British often thought the same negative stereotypes of Hong Kong Chinese as you think about the mainland Chinese. Simply remembering this should cause you to hesitate before being too contemptuous of others. Go ahead and criticie behaviors, but the moment you start associating behaviors with identities, and then associating identities with behaviors, that’s the moment you cross into bigotry. You cross into it an awful lot.

          • Progressive Dubstep

            is it the time of the months again honey? aww, why are you so moody? one minute you say that you didn’t next you contridict yourself. EVERYBODY GUESS WHO IS ON HER PERIOD RIGHT NOW


          • Dick Leigh

            This is a silly view. Just because two places are populated with people of the same race does not mean they have to support each other. I don’t know why Chinese people always try and play the race card.

            The best interests of a country (like Taiwan, or Hong Kong) override the best interests of a race. Why should I as a white person, support the US invading the Middle East for Oil or France building a nuclear arsenal?

          • Kai

            I thought everyone on this site agreed that Chinese isn’t a race?

            @x3snickerdoodles:disqus ‘s point was to beg Linette to not forget she’s ultimately seen as Chinese as well, and that she should probably not be too contemptuous of these people as well. After all, Linette was born into her circumstances by chance, not through her own effort. If the stork had farted, she might’ve landed in the arms of a mainland mother in some butt-fuck nowhere mountain village, also doomed to “never experience what it’s like living in a first world society where rich and poor are treated equally like human being” having another Linette condescend towards her.

          • Mighty曹

            hahaha.. ouch!

          • Dick Leigh

            I’ve spent some time in Asia and know that idea of Chinese/Koreans/Japanese belonging all to one race is highly controversial in that part of the world.

            I’m sensitive to race (and only commented) because when I taught English in China I repeatedly had to explain to Chinese that they were of the same race as the hated xiaoribenren and the gaoilbangzi.

          • Insomnicide

            Race is still a controversial classification because the meaning change with time. What you are referring to, is the 19th century classification of all ‘yellow’ people as Mongoloids. But that boundary has changed with new scientific and genetic discoveries. For example, some Japanese people have traces of genes commonly found in western Europeans. Do they belong to strictly ‘Asian’ or ‘White’ race categories?

            While Chinese, itself isn’t really race. Han Chinese can roughly be considered the main branch of their own race separate from Mongolians/Japanese/etc. etc. They have distinct genetic traits which can only be found in Han Chinese people and a few ethnic minority groups in China and Southeast Asia. That, can be considered a race in modern socio-scientific context.

          • Zappa Frank

            the analysis about Japanese (i remember was about all ‘north Asians’ Korean included) of being ‘partially’ white have been long time disproved, it was originally done by Cavalli-Sforza but based on protein since at time DNA analysis was still on going.. there have been even a research that stated Chinese of 2500 years ago to had more genetic in common with Europeans than with actual Chinese… obviously disproved by other and more modern analysis ..
            Han is a cultural construct, a Han genetic race is highly questionable..

          • Kai

            The “Chinese as a race” thing was more me alluding to the regular arguments between those who accuse people bashing the Chinese as being “racist” and the latter retorting that they can’t be racist because Chinese is an ethnicity and not a “race”.

            If we go by the fairly accepted construct that “Asians” are a race versus “whites” and “blacks” or whatever, I think most Chinese would consider themselves the same “race” as the Japanese and Koreans. It’s a Chinese pasttime to consider both the Koreans and Japanese to be offshoots of the Chinese. What they might object to is the idea that they are the same modern ethnicity/nationality. I’m not really sure I want to know what contexts you were getting yourself into having to impress upon Chinese people that they were the same as the Japanese or Koreans. Sounds like you might have been running happily into a minefield for no real reason.

          • Dick Leigh

            Minefield? I guess. It was always something cultural. The most controversial areas centered around Korean music/dramas and Japanese anime (then devolved rapidly into racism).

            At least now I know how to get a room full of Chinese people talking though, so I guess some good came out of my experience!

          • linette lee

            “not be too contemptuous of these people. ”

            I will have to say you and the China Chinese are more “contemptuous” toward your countrymen especially those from rural areas. Look at how you guys
            treat your migrant workers. You have the Hukou system to block them from receiving the same treatments/benefits like the rest of you urban folks and you guys are all under the same China gov’t system and budget. I can’t imagine if
            that happens in HK where the HK gov’t blocks the poor HKese from getting the same level of treatment and benefits what will happen. Under Hk gov’t all Hkese are entitled to the same HK gov’t budget and benefits.

          • Kai

            1. Wow, you think I’m a mainlander.

            2. Yes, a lot of mainland Chinese are contemptuous of those they consider inferior to them, just like Hong Kongers. Not sure why you feel like mentioning a vein of bigotry that Hong Kongers are notoriously guilty of themselves.

            3. There’s discriminatory public services and inequal access to public services in HK as well. Is it better than mainland China overall? I’d say yes, and you’re trying too hard to justify your superiority complex. No one is arguing that HK is not superior to the mainland in many ways. The only thing being argued by me is that your bigotry is the same as the worst bigots in mainland China. As far as I’m concerned, a bigot is a bigot. HK’s better governance and public services doesn’t automatically make your bigotry less bigoted.

            I could be from PERFECTOLAND where everything is superior to HK and it wouldn’t justify me condescending down to you.

          • Progressive Dubstep

            as 孔庆东 put it “they are fucki&&& dogs”

          • Irvin

            you only now realizing it? She’s been a like sarah palin ever since she got here.

          • Jahar

            I’m a white Canadian. SInce their’s not really any (white) ethnic Canadians, should me criticizing other white people be considered “hurting my own people”?

          • Zappa Frank

            no because apparently those kinds of things are possible only if you are not white.. if you are yellow or black than you can say ‘our people’ bla bla bla, we should have ethnic conscience, we should defend our people and to bitch all time how withes did something something like 100 or 200 or more years ago and pretend that you still feel hurt.. if you say the same but you are white usually you are writing of stormfront forum…

          • Jahar

            Good. Damn Russians….

          • Dick Leigh

            No, unless they’re from the Motherland then we can only oooh and aaahhh over their sexy accents and ask how the Queen is doing.

          • Progressive Dubstep

            oh no wonder why you are so radicalised and weird. you are from hongkong. what’s up with hongkong’s education now days. “sigh”

          • snakecali .

            I still remember during my junior years in san francisco,there this arrogant one who is from hk and he end up getting an heated confront after school by groups of taishanese.
            This confrontation wasn’t just about how rich or china being third world,it was personal feeling that hong kongese didn’t show any respect to taishanese throughout school years.

          • BigpimpingBalla

            If i was an high ranking chinese government,i would be make threats like turning hong kong into a third world country by blocking the sea lane around hong kong….wahahahaha

          • linette lee

            Oh, they said worst. That’s nothing. They will say things like HK people are dogs for UK. Wait until one day China army march into HK and take over the city with tanks and guns(They think this is Tiananmen square where the tanks can just roll over people). Confiscate all your wealth and you won’t have foods to eat like those poor rural folks. You know..basically all the communist mentality speeches………………rambling for 5 10 minutes and still won’t get back to the back of the line and wait on the line like everybody else.

          • BigpimpingBalla

            hey dumb hoe,don’t you know that most native wealthy hong konger have close ties to central government nowadays,so why would communist going confiscate their wealth.What communist doing in hong kong is replacing those barking dog like you with thousand of mainlanders and in fact this plan started occurring few years ago.

        • Insomnicide

          As much as i agree with you, that has nothing to do with my previous post at all.

      • ElectricTurtle

        The Soviets were also helping the CCP in the same sort of way that the US was helping the KMT, it’s only a testament to the strength of the US economic system versus the Soviet that the US efforts were more substantial. I am also wholly aware of the falling out between the CCP and Soviets in the 1960s etc. The point is that after the Civil War and de facto partition, the slate was more or less the same in terms of intent. Both sides were initially pawns in the Cold War.

        Your attempt at claiming that Japan built up Taiwan while tearing down China is ridiculous. The Japanese occupiers committed crimes against both populations, but they also built infrastructure in both places. Japan had a major interest in the development of all its colonial territories, which included those parts of China it occupied. Manchukuo was one of the most industrial “nations” in Asia before it was returned to its pre-Japanese state and partitioned back to China and the Koreas.

        The KMT furthermore did ban footbinding before the Civil War, the CCP merely continued enforcing it, so that’s just a flat out lie on your part.

        Oh, and the CCP’s land reform caused famines that killed millions, and you’re acting like that’s a good thing.

        Taiwan was no more industrial than China as a whole at the conclusion of the Civil War. Both sides were receiving aid from the outside, the communists received less because communist economics produce failure, which is why even the CCP doesn’t practice what it preaches anymore. You’re beyond ignorant, you willfully misrepresent the conditions following the Civil War just to ignore the rapid development curve that can be demonstrated from any history of the industrialization and commercial growth of Taiwan since it shames the mainland and the CCP especially. And now half a century and more down the road the CCP is nothing but a corrupt oligarchy perched on the backs of people who are suffering in almost the same way they were when the party came to power. It’s hypocrisy, and regardless of the background, the KMT’s management of Taiwan inarguably has presided over development and growth that has produced a healthier society for a far greater proportion of its population.

    • Pandabearnanke

      Point taken but its easier to modernize a small island than mainland China. Obvious point I know but yeah.

  • Paul Schoe

    Let’s hope that Shu Hongbing gets lots of support from the Chinese people. Only when it is known that many people support this issue, there will be change.

    I am often surprised how little Chinese people in the East coast know about the living conditions in the West. When I talk to them about this, I even borrow from Mao (move to the country side). I tell them that every three years, all people from the eastern coast should spent a holiday in the West of China.
    That would achieve two goals:
    a) awareness among the city people about the difficult situation in which their fellow countrymen still live.
    b) a large shift of money from the rich coastal cities to the West, as all those people on holiday need to sleep and eat.

    Let’s try to keep the discussion of Shu Hongbing alive. The more people that talk about this, the more chance there is of change.

    • YourSupremeCommander

      Wishful thinking, but….

      For instance, a lot of people inside and outside of China talk about free Tibet for over 50 years, look what happened? Dali Lama got kicked out and PLA with AK47s in charge.

      • kkw

        As far as I know an independent tibet would violate the international borders. That’s why the US doesn’t support the referendum in Crimea, so it is impossible to have tibet recognized internationally. Also, it is already an autonomous region, so what else can they ask for?

        • David

          What else can they ask for? Is that a serious question? Have you ever been to Tibet or spent some time studying the issue? How about they start by having a government that the native people choose, instead of one run by the Han who move there in positions of power? How about soldiers being used to protect the borders (if any real help is needed) instead of to intimidate and control the population?

          • Dick Leigh

            How about the PRC reinstates the government/political system that was in power previous to the PRC and see how long it takes for the Tibetans to start screaming to be liberated.


          • Don’t Believe the Hype

            Dick Leigh, I see where you are going with this but harsh punishments such as mutilation are not new, and you cant use past wrongs to justify indefinite control. Do you think virtually every middle eastern country, which practices Sharia law (involving cutting hands off for stealing) should be taken over ? Do you think Germany should be taken over by Russia or France because of the Holocaust?

            That line of thinking, that “we know best” mentality, is identical to colonialism/imperialism, and I’m pretty sure China claims to not be that kind of country.

    • Mighty曹

      The issue is how they don’t see it as a part of their problem. They will only see it as, “That’s (fill in the region/province) problem.”.

    • linette lee

      Do you think Chinese in China don’t know how hard life is for their country men living in rural areas? I think 99% of the rich China folks don’t want to know or care. They only want to make sure that the China economy is benefiting them and money in their own pocket. Go tell them let’s collect taxes from the rich China people. Let’s go by percentage of income. High income up to 50% and low income 10%. This way the China gov’t can use it to develop the rural areas. I bet you these rich China folks will tell you fxck no.

      • Zappa Frank

        isn’t the same in US? isn’t the same everywhere?

      • Dick Leigh

        Taxes are already extraordinary high, especially if you’re trying to make your own money via a small business in the private sector. The SOEs should be the ones paying to help develop the country

      • Progressive Dubstep

        99% that’s a wild assuption there linette. mathmaticans can’t even be sure 100% sure everything. i would assume that you never been to china?

        • anon101

          sure maths can be 100% sure. 1 + 1 = 2 its a certanty that if you have 1 rock in your hand and you pick up another rock you will have 2 rocks. the reason mathematics is a universal language is because of certainty’s.

          • Progressive Dubstep

            stats wise yes, learn some real maths (aint nobody got time for basic maths). you are talking to me like a 3 year old. i know what i am doing. BTW what’s up with the inter racial marriage now days. think it’s definitly appro to ban all inter racial marrige between han and other non asian races.

            lets hope they do it

      • masonman

        That doesn’t make sense. If you want the rich to be taxed more, they already are, THATS THE POINT OF A PERCENTAGE. 10 percent of 100 RMB is less than 10 percent of 1000000000000 RMB.

        Also, how will giving these poor peasants free money actually help them in the long run? What they need is freedom, especially the freedom to build capital goods. That will permanently bring them out of poverty. That is how all countries become more wealthy. MORE CAPITAL.

        I would say those rich in China who got rich by actually producing something that people wanted, they already have helped millions. Why punish them for that?

        Though the ones who just get that money because they are in bed with CCP officials, thats a whole different story.


    Poverty is a state of mind…maybe start with reforming the educational system so that Chinese can learn to think independently …..oh…nevermind

  • Shu Hongbing for president!

    • Gordon Gogodancer

      Yep, expect a mysterious disappearance if he gets anywhere close to getting any serious support.

    • cantonizi

      He just got up from his 40 years of sleeping with the rich and now you want him to be like Obama, do you really?

  • YourSupremeCommander

    They may be poor, but I am pretty certain their everyday life is much happier and their souls much merrier than that of the city folks who get caught up in the never ending slave grinding game all in the name of making money.

    • Mighty曹

      I was at the country side 2 years ago. Huts were equipped with satellite dishes.

      • YourSupremeCommander

        Well, you probably went to the nice parts of the countryside, the equivalent of a gated community back in the States.

        • Mighty曹

          Are you kidding? Much nicer than the US communities, gated or not.

      • Gordon Gogodancer

        I’ve been to a village in Zhejiang 2-3 years ago for CNY. I spent the celebration with a local family. They were nice. They had electricity and TV (and the good old Mao posters :) ) but that’s it. Their living environment is unbelievably crap, the houses look like shit, the village looks like a rubbish dump and the only picturesque site in this wasteland was a big prison nearby. I understand that these old folks are tough and they can handle it but it’s still not a good place to live. I was freezing to death and wanted to get out of that place after the 1st day, it’s just too rough. Their own child was upset about coming back every year in this absolute shit hole. YourSupremeCommander mentions that their everyday life is much happier…i’m sure they don’t have to worry about modern society pressure and that they are indeed much happier, but let’s not forget their life is still crap. I hear people say their life has “improved”. Sure, getting out of the cultural revolution is an improvement in itself but have their living standard really improved? TV, electricity? Sure even in the West people didn’t necessarily have those things in the country side during that era either. Their houses are just fucking ugly concrete walls and their environment is completely devastated which probably wasn’t the case during their youth, their air is not really good and no blue sky which seems to be the norm in at least a 500km radius around cities. I guess it would be ok to be a farmer if you lived in the Spanish country side depicted in the movie “Gladiator” but it’s not the case in real life China. Just imagine yourself today, with all the things that you know about the world, the stuff you like to do or just learn about though conversations and the internet and all the other stuff. Imagine if you were sent back to this devastated country side which seems to spread out around Chinese cities for miles and miles and the only thing you had was light, and CCTV. Scary.

        • maybeabanana

          No camping for you!

          • Gordon Gogodancer


        • Zappa Frank

          Spanish countryside in the movie gladiator??? it’s Italian countryside…

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            Hey sorry for the late reply, i’ve been banned from commenting lately. I contacted an admin who told me it might have just been my VPN causing the problem… oh well. Ok for the country side in Italy. While watching the movie i thought since the guy is a spaniard he’s farm was somewhere in Spain, i guess i got it wrong.

          • mr.wiener

            Glad to have you back.

        • Dick Leigh

          Haha. It’s your fault to going to a peasant family’s house. You should’ve found one of those “rich” peasants that send money back to their family in the village so they can build those huge multiple-floor concrete monstrosities.

        • Irvin

          Ignorance is bliss, what they don’t know cannot hurt them, much like plato’s cave.

          If you go see how rich people live today you’ll feel like crap too, it’s all relative. I’ve sure I wouldn’t miss smart phones if I never used an iphone.

        • Mighty曹

          I hope you do realize I was joking but, yes, the majority of the country side is still so remote from the rest of China that they’re practically living in a different world. I like the fact that it’s a step back in time. It’s true, I found the people to be content in their everyday laid back life. Family and neighbors play a big role each day (something that’s missing in a big city). I can live that life for about a week each year but I’m not sure if i can survive a year long stint. I’m just too attached to the modern world.

    • Henry C

      I’m not so sure about that. Many rural folk would do anything to obtain an urban hukou. Simply being classified as an urban resident entitles you to better healthcare, schools, and makes you eligible for stable city jobs.

    • maybeabanana

      Yes annnd no. If their mindset is inrealization of the city slaving… they wouldn’t tell their kids the city is the road to gold aaaand education….but only diluted info to white wash the future slavery.

    • vonskippy

      Yeah cuz nothing brings a smile to those peasants face like working a field for 14-15 hours a day. They have no other way of life, it’s work or die, hardly the choices that make a soul “merry”.

      • YourSupremeCommander

        You are an ignorant fool to put it VERY politely.

  • Mighty曹

    Why is this a surprise? Isn’t it a well documented fact that younger people in rural regions migrate to prospering cities to escape poverty and often leaving aging family members to die out?

    • Irvin

      That’s what I thought, you can’t only look at the quality of life of peasents, you also have to look at the constantly decrease of the “peasent” class.

      • linette lee

        Wow….you are so delusional it’s frightening. You sound like one of those rich urban China folks telling the foreigners how rich is China and they live in big condos driving Mercedes…and blablabla. So sad. If you truly love your country you want it to improve on their gov’t system and the living environment for all your countrymen. I suggest you move back to China and live in the rural areas and stay there. People like you should move and live there. I wonder if you will drink the water though.

        • Kai

          Wow…you are so poor at reading comprehension it’s frightening. How the hell does his comment sound like rich urban Chinese people telling foreigners how rich China is? Irvin’s comment was that life in the countryside is shitty, even shitty like 40 years ago, but there’s also massive urbanization so that there are less rural residents living in such conditions than before.

          How the hell did you twist this into him not wanting China to improve its government and living environment for all his countrymen?

      • Mighty曹

        Yes, and I don’t expect most migrant workers returning to the villages to retire.

  • mr.wiener

    A party member with a conscience? Whatever next?

    • David

      Well, it depends, it could be a jailed party member, a dead party member or (much more likely) one the news agencies are told to ignore. Makes a nice little story for now but not if it actually gets interesting.

    • Insomnicide

      Party members are not all arseholes. People have more than just material gain as a reason to join the CCP.

      But the higher ups, the elites of the CCP definitely have too much blood on their hands.

  • commander

    I agree with his voice but the enviornmental degradation is a problem that needs to be taken seriously.

    And the solution to persistent poverty and appalling conditions for people in rural China is to bust corruptive elements that have permeated deep into Chinese society and confisticate their property for income redistribution like building “environmentally sound” infrastructure and providing decent education programs to the underprivilideged.

    With the Chinese leaders’ drive to combat corruption is seen more as political campaign than as the genuine reformist action, it is hard for this man’s call for social justice to translate into concrete actions. Regretful!!

  • Insomnicide

    They still live in poverty, sure. But knowing personally some families that grew up in rural areas, they’re better off now than forty years ago. For starters, they have electricity, roads, constant supply of food, children not being born with birth defects, etc. etc.

    Still, props to Shu for raising the issue and telling it like it is.

  • Guest23

    Agreed with the guy in all points, really staggering gap between rural and urban, but he should tread carefully lest he wants to tick off the elites in the party and he gets some trumped up charges to quiet him down.

  • Paul Schoe

    At that moment, there were ‘schools’ everywhere.

    It is a difficult discussion to choose between accessibility (a school in every small village) and quality ( resulting in fewer schools, so longer travel times, in many cases extreme long, as Shu Hongbing points out)

  • Cameron

    I guess the euohria of the last two decades of modernization has begun to wear off and cold reality is hitting again fast. That reality being that for all the massive positive changes over the past two decades, the country experienced by the majority of its citizens is still arguably closer to a proper third world poor African Asian nation than it is to a Western European or North American one, perhaps on a par with parts of South America. I’m talking things like health, education, rule of law, transport, pollution, public facilities etc. The even bigger downer is that the next step up is going to be more complex by an order of magnitudes than the previous one which required merely opening the country to foreign investment and mass manual labour on a massive scale. From the Western perspective the status quo is surely preferable.

  • linette lee

    I would marry this guy Shu Hongbing. I am glad there is actually a person in China who feels exactly the same like me. People like him should be governing China. Not those useless corrupt thieves family members gov’t officials.
    China can use the money of their people to build ghost town in 3 months but can’t use it to help their rural people. They need education and birth control. Better environment and transportation.

    • Lord_Helmet

      Please get your tubes tied.

      • Irvin

        LOL second that.

      • Jim Gordon


  • Rick in China

    Fucking peasants. “problems like smog inevitably seem “too luxurious” and not important issues that they care about.”

    Ok, so, healthcare is such a big issue for them – but smog is irrelevant or unimportant in relation. Talk about looking at the face of the problem rather than the root. POLLUTION IS LARGELY WHY YOU’RE FUCKIN’ SICK! So many illnesses in China are directly caused by pollution…respiratory illness is so common in big cities, especially in elderly and babies – cancer cities popping up, this isn’t just magic. They need to do some root cause analysis and figure out what the real problems are, realise that it’s not “luxurious” to talk about reducing pollution, but tackling the actual causation rather than symptom. I’ll say again, fucking peasants!

    • xiaode

      Even your tone is quite harsh, I completely agree.
      Their thinking is like: “our people are ill, we need you to build hospitals to take care the ill ones….”
      But they should ask: “why are so many of our people getting ill?”

      I promise every Chinese (who want´s to listen) that in the near future they will have millions of people dying…. caused directly or indirectly by the pollution!

      But I am also quite certain that nothing will change without a huge incident which most costs hundred thousands or even millions of lives in a short time!

      On the other hand: Did the big Sichuan earthquake in 2008 which killed about 70k people caused that they think about building houses in way that they can stand such earthquakes? I rather doubt…

      • Rick in China

        Yes it absolutely made people think about building houses in a way they can stand such quakes.
        However, while everyone thinks about it, and while I’m sure property developers may even say that, I am almost positive there is no change in actual practice or design. My wife is in real estate development, she knows of _no_ change beyond words post-2008.

        Either way, buy a respro, protect your lungs, laugh in hopeless frustration at the others who don’t yet complain about the ‘not-so-luxurious’ issues the gov’t needs to face, thinking they’re way wiser while contracting lung disease.

        • xiaode

          Hey.. just saw you replied…
          Just thinking for some moment that that something should might be done… of course by others and those others need to pay for it as well… is not enough I would say. It´s useless without actions!

  • narsfweasels

    This is why I always say “Show me a picture” when some Wu Mao spouts off “The CCP has raised 400 Million squillion people out of poverty!”

    Yeah? Show me a picture. Show me a picture of Zhou Hongbing’s house on the day he was “lifted out of poverty”. Show me his house the day before. Show me a picture of him smiling next to his benevolent local cadre with a big certificate saying “On this day, I, Zhou Hongbing, was lifted out of poverty!”

  • mr.wiener

    Too obvious. He slipped over in the shower while shaving with a carving knife, stabbed himself accidentally 38 time before falling out the window of his 40th story apartment.

    • linette lee

      And right before he died, he wrote a farewell note to the world.

      I slipped and stabbed myself while showering.

      signed Shu Hongbing.

      The Chinese police find no evidence of murder. It’s clearly a case of accident with a signed letter by the Mr.Shu Hongbing.

  • mr.wiener

    Cool, thanks for the breakdown.

  • maybeabanana

    When so many are born in their little cages, propped up to discard their logic and dignity for “survival” and fame…it may be hard to pay attention to any other social issues aside from ones ego.

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  • mr.wiener

    As long as it is not obviously trolling, being racist for the sake of being disruptive , sock puppeting or whatever I’m not touching it.

    • Irvin

      Be so kind to enlighten my chinese ignorance and tell me what “sock puppeting” is? :)

      • Kai

        Using multiple identities, pretending to be different people, usually to pretend others agree with you or others disagree with someone else.

    • FYIADragoon

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      • Curiously is a book extremely critical and accurate with this China. But I prefer to ask mod to cancel your profile because in my case you can see my name and family name plus an original pic. Why don’t you?

        • mr.wiener

          Ah Joaquin. Sorry I put you on the spam list as you posted the same message 3 times which is a no-no. Your book does look like a good read though mate…and I love the title: “Too much shit, not enough flies”. Want to tell me some more about it?

          • Hi Mr. Wiener: After more than 6 years in China I wrote a book really far of correspondents and classical writers. 21 days in the life of a lao wai: explicit texts, realities, traditions, sex, business… A thermometer about expats and Chinese who wants to be expats in China 2012. And please, don’t delete all of my texts, I didn’t know every comment will be publish. Here is my book. http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00IWYNR56

          • mr.wiener

            Sounds like a must read.
            I think I’ll order my copy now, in fact I’ll order 2 copies as it sounds like a great gift.

            [psst…Joaquin, about my commission, I get 10% right?]

          • 20% if you don’t delete my texts! And a printed book soon. Cheers!

          • Guest23

            Interesting title and book description, what’s the ETA on the paperback book? might put it on my list whenever it’s available in amazon.

          • Still trying to get an editor. I hope soon.

          • Guest23

            Well good luck, I’m still a sucker for old school paper books so it’s on my list, might give it a review whenever it’s available.

          • Germandude

            The title should be changed to “Too few readers, so why print that shit?”

  • Zen my Ass

    Government doesn’t seem too much bothered to develop the countryside, otherwise why building so many cities that stay empty in the end? They want or hope everybody will move to the cities looking for jobs thus freeing the countryside. It doesn’t seem to happen though.

    • xiaode

      How should that happen if the people living in the countryside are more far away from affording such a house in the city… than a hamster from his first time travel….

  • Peter Pottinger

    Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

  • Irvin

    Here’s something to ponder: 99% and beggars today live as they did 100 years ago.

    I guess the key is to transcend beyond being a peasent, not live better as one.

  • Foreign Devil

    I’m betting this guy ends up in prison or “retraining” soon. When you take up the environmental or poverty causes in China. . you eventually end up being arrested, beaten, tortured.

    • Irvin

      And have his balls crushed.

  • Foreign Devil

    China has huge food shortages and imports tons of food. If these rural peasants were allowed to operate in a free market and set their own prices for food.. they would be at least middle class. Instead they are forced to sell at a loss half the time.

    • cantonizi

      May be China exports all their food stuffs to the west and now these poor Chinese peasants have nothing to eat and no money or job.
      There are no more rats in China, thanx to this food shortage on the peasants they ate them all.

  • maybeabanana

    Jelllllyyyy. What areas are scenic and is it for novice to medium hikers? Tent or hammock? Pack weight and duration?

  • Kai

    What? You’re not banned. If for some reason you cannot comment when you could’ve just hours before, and you’re pretty certain you didn’t violate our comment policy, please contact us to figure out what’s wrong AS EXPLAINED in the comment policy and as so many others have done.

    There are a number of reasons why you suddenly cannot comment OTHER than being banned. You’d have to have a guilty conscience in order to immediately suspect you were banned, right? And if you suspect you were banned for a comment policy violation, why on earth would you think it a good idea to circumvent our ban in order to continue commenting? If you normally can walk into a person’s home and one day find the door mysteriously locked, do you call that person to ask why or do you break in through the window? And then proceed to slander the owner? Holy cow.

  • Kai

    No, I think you’re right, his home was in Spain.

  • linette lee

    “People in Mainland China believe that people from Hong Kong have an attitude problem. Which many people including myself, believe is true.”

    And….most of the “attitude” was just really a “response” to the behaviors of China Chinese. And talking about being contemptous. I see how the China rich folks express their love to HKese. We are not use to so much love. lol.

    –when told not to eat in the no eating areas(signs everywhere says no eating, they laugh and continue to eat and drop crumbs and litter wrappers.

    –Told to please use the public restroom which is only two steps away(signs everywhere). Pretend they’ve never seen a restroom before and do their business where they want.

    –Cut in front of the line and pretend can’t hear you. When told please get on line like everybody else, still won’t move or even curse at you and make derogatory remarks about HK or HK people.

    –Insist on not following the stores/restaurants/amusement park policy and slam cash on the counters. Some will even ask you if you know who they are or who they know or have connection with. lol.

    Most stores will cater to them because customer comes first policy and money,
    but the local HKese will complain.


    –Brag about how rich and great China is but insist on using HK gov’t funds for free hospital care for child birth and public school. Crash into the HK hospital emergency room last minute to give birth if they can’t book for delivery and stay. Won’t pay, scream at nurses, and hit security guards.

    That love from China Chinese is too strong. The HK folks are shy. lol.

  • Jim Gordon

    I respect peasants anf their culture more than I would ever respect you.

  • richardzhu99

    genius, you need figure out the survival rules in China. we got people living at the cost of other people suffering, right? just enjoy your life, and live those falling behind to the god’s disposal. Anyway, nothing is fair. we are not created equal.

  • Mighty曹


  • pfcwms

    Thanks to Shu Hongbing for reminding the attendees of these oft-neglected issues such as how few resources trickle down to working people in rural areas, esp. those far away from the eastern seaboard.

  • cantonizi

    May be you mistaken the Indians in Malaysia and Australia for mainland Chinese, that’s easy for a whitey to do ‘cos many Chinese have dark skin but not black like in the US.

    • Zappa Frank

      come on..no one can mistake Indians for Chinese.
      he said something in a very rude way, but there is some truth in it. Chinese mainlanders carry a farmland culture and after the cultural revolution they massively lost all etiquette and good manners

      • edkay71

        he’s an idiot and probably a hilly billy himself. the farmers remain farmers simply because of a lack of advancement, either by themselves or support from the government.

  • David

    LMAO keep trying

  • IsurvivedChina

    one only has to walk around the back streets of any city in China to see the real China!