Beijing University Student Embarrasses Japanese Reporter

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From Mop:

A Beijing University Chinese student’s responses to a Japanese reporter, without a single dirty word, his admonishment brought applause from the entire venue…

Ozawa Ichiro of the Kyodo News Agency came to Peking University to conduct interviews. At the entry to the south pavilion (the international co operation section), Ozawa Ichirou interviewed a short guy (could someone confirm that he’s from the department of international affairs?). The following is an accurate record of the interview.

Question: Do you support the view or action of boycotting Japanese goods?

Answer: Everyone is an individual, every individual is free. I cannot change other people’s thinking, and have no right to control other people’s actions.

Q: How would you characterise the Sino-Japanese relationship?

A: Looking at it objectively, it’s a relationship of mutual benefit.

Q: From the point of view of a student, what do you think is the greatest obstacle between the two countries?

A: Obviously, the Japanese have, in many ways, said and done many things which are mistakes, and these we cannot accept or tolerate! In short, improving the Sino-Japanese relationship requires the Japanese side to acknowledge history, and bring forth goodwill and sincerity.

Q: Do you personally use Japanese goods?

A: Yep, a toilet. (Laughter amongst the students present)

Q: Well then, tell me, why are Japanese toilet bowls better than Chinese ones?

A: In China, we don’t discuss things like this, talking about such things in public is very abnormal/perverse. (Laughter) Of course, I don’t know if you are used to doing this, or if your country is. (Laugther)

Q: With regard to the history problem, is there any way for both China and Japan to put down this heavy “burden”?

A: Please watch your wording! I don’t agree with how you’ve put the question. The question implicitly casts China in an unfavourable light. From ancient times to now, China has never had any “heavy burden”. The Chinese people are a open-minded, forward-looking exemplary race, who patiently deal with people, and remaining on friendly terms with their neighbours is China’s virtue. For this reason we acknowledge history without bias, but would never repay unkindness with unkindness. We tolerate reconciliation, including with Japan. Please tell me, what is China and the Chinese people’s “heavy burden”? Have the Chinese people ever done something unforgivable to Japan? The issue is precisely the invasion of China, the heinous crimes of the Japanese who don’t acknowledge history, burning, killing, and plundering in China, madly exterminating the Chinese people. The criminal Japanese don’t acknowledge their crimes or make reparations to China and the Chinese people, and are even trying to expand their overseas military capabilities, split China, seize China’s land, infuriating the Chinese people. There is too much of this kind of historical fact. Can you tell me, is this the historical burden China carries? (Applause from students)

Q: I also often watch the news, and recently, Chinese manufacturing accidents have been frequent, and I presume the death rate is not low either?

A: Just like your country, everyone dies once. (Laughter, applause)

Q: In China’s university campuses, student suicides happen frequently, again and again, why is this?

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A: Actually, the country with the most student suicides is your country. Many bizarre methods of suicide were invented by you guys. In a UN report, Japan’s suicide rate was ranked number one. I don’t know what sufficient evidence you have to prove the suicide incidents in my country’s the university campuses. Chairman Mao Zedong had a famous saying: “If you haven’t investigated, you don’t have a right to talk”. I hope you write an objective and true report. With regard to the words that you just used in your question I must correct you, in Chinese Mandarin, “frequently” and “again and again” is redundant, a mistake. Moreover, what you said does not match the reality! (Applause)

Q: In Japan, Chinese study abroad students have illegally stolen Japan’s state secrets, do you know about that?

A: I am unable to to verify the your information’s accuracy and authenticity. This kind of absurd allegation is as ridiculous as Bush invading Iraq because Saddam stole his pressure cooker! (big laugh from audience)

Brothers, do as you see fit. If you hope more people can see this, just ding. Thank you.

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Comments from Mop:

dq07280906:

The entire world knows.

panther1137:

Ding.

怒砸教育部:

“wm” [wu mao]. I do not believe Beida [Beijing University] students are able to speak on this level.

恋恋清晨:

I ding! This kind of university student is worthy of me learning from!

宇文铁弗:

The angrier they yell, the faster they betray~

mmilu0:

I’m a little suspicious, were these really the answers of a student…although, I’d rather believe this is real.

哥背手尿尿不服你:

Ding! Those dastardly shameless Japs can all die!

lzyhonest:

No images, no truth.

风流小马:

This guy’s a great diplomat.

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我不信这个名也注不上

I ding!
I strongly ding!
I love the country, love the Party, love the People!!! I just don’t love those so-called “servants of the people”!

中国制造,吉林特产:

If he doesn’t become a diplomat it would be the country’s loss.

anita_119:

I ding! with all my might!

十万伙计:

Let’s forward this to the Department of Foreign Affairs.

施主你今天扑了吗:

So the real reason Bush invaded Iraq was because Saddam stole his pressure cooker??

wu7401925:

As soon as I read it, I knew it was fake.

SBE:

Any video? Otherwise, I don’t believe it.

蒙古摸金狼:

Could a Peking Uni bookworm/nerd really say something like this?

宝儿是WJ:

Years of experience tells me: This definitely is not something some Peking University student is able to say, and is probably some talened netizen.

果粒AV优:

Seems a bit fake.

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  • Jason

    second…old stuff…

  • yahoooooooooooooooo

    first
    and if this is real, im amazed.
    he pretty much owned the reporter.

    • Mike Fish

      Owned, in what way? If it was real, his answers seem to be hollow antagonism rather than substance or real humor. Refer to Kai’s comment below.

      • aquadraht

        Mike, you never played online games. To own somebody is gamer slang for defeating, killing etc. in computer games, especially cometitive player vs. player games.

        • Mike Fish

          aquadraht, you never learned the subtleties of the English language. I wasn’t asking what owned meant, I was asking in what way was the Japanese reporter owned. I’d say that was apparent to everyone but you. I’d say being as slow as you are you’d get owned in CS by my granny; she’d even teabag you if it was anatomically possible. To clarify granny is slang for grandma, who obviously because of her age and the perception that old ladies can’t use computers well let alone play first-person shooters, should likely suck at CS(that’s gamers’ talk for Counter Strike) and if she sucks so bad, yet can still beat you, that means you suck really bad. Get it? And well, teabagging, that’s… nevermind, it’s wasted on you.

          • aquadraht

            What a stupid bull. Maybe my knowledge of English subtleties is below yours, or just not, doesn’t matter anyway. I guess you’re American as Brits have somewhat more class, yet remember we are posting in an environment where many are not native English speakers, and many even are speaking more languages than just one like you.

          • Xav

            No need to be aggro…”dude”

          • Mike Fish

            aquadraht on the brain…

            1. You threw the first punch by insulting my online gaming skills
            2. You were the one who thought they should give an English lesson
            3. You are the one being very unclassy by suggesting the only people who use English in a witty yet slightly mean-spirited way are Brits and Yanks
            4. You are the one being extra unclassy by stereotyping Americans, poopoo
            5. I actually assumed you were a native English speaker, just a slightly obnoxious retarded one
            6. I can trash talk you in many languages, you pick…

    • Parapraxis

      I don’t think he owned anyone. In fact, I think it just showed how worthless it can be to interview students sometimes…

  • by

    third, man, why are we reading what we all already know?

  • Alex

    Obviously fake

    It’d be nice to have an objective poll on these sites so we could see how many people believed it was actually real

    • baby

      +1
      ofc it’s fake, no need to say

  • 250

    I would probably say it is fake, not because of the answers just because of the questions.

    Two sentences stand out for me:
    1. ‘we acknowledge history without bias‘
    2. ‘If you haven’t investigated, you don’t have a right to talk’

    Me thinks he should take Mao’s advice on the first sentence.

    • JP

      Well played 250…

      If this is a genuine Japanese reporter, what exactly is he researching? His line of questioning is totally erratic.

      • Dongdong

        So true, the reporter is too stupid to be real.

        • Glorious China

          Good say dongdong, this means Japanese reporter pigs are stupid.

          • Zictor

            No, it means that this “reporter” is probably a Chinese 愤青 with too much time in his hands and who doesn’t realise anyone with a brain will be suspicious of it.

            The reporter makes a stupid assertion and then let’s the student put up a whole spiel with “facts” accepted as truth by the Chinese.

    • Goodness

      Why does this reporter have the same name as Japanese DPJ leader Ichiro Ozawa?

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/4971230/Japanese-opposition-leader-Ichiro-Ozawa-may-quit-over-scandal.html

      Yikes, how common is that name?

  • Rick in China

    He didn’t “own” the reporter. In fact it’s ridiculous. His words are ridiculous. There are so many points of contest, plus, *duh*, the reporter had a SET of questions to go through, notice he didn’t COMMENT on the answers, only continued with questions? *yaaaawn*, it wasn’t an argument, it was an opinion piece, and the kids words are not nearly as wise as people seem to think if you do even a little bit of analysis and ignore the “APPLAUSE APPLAUSE” from the other mindless sheep.

  • NEWSFLASH: History is made, a Chinaman manages to discuss politics with a foreigner without making a complete fool of himself!

    • Kai

      I disagree, I think the Chinese student in this story started off well and then rapidly descended into douchebag territory. I guess he didn’t make a “complete” fool of himself, and he could’ve done far worse (as many of us have all seen before), but he quickly became a jackass.

      I’m pretty certain this story is a fake. I’m not super familiar with the journalists of “Kyodo News Agency” but isn’t Ichiro Ozawa the former president of the Democratic Party of Japan? Yes, yes he was. I don’t think he was ever a journalist. Maybe there’s another Ichiro Ozawa who is?

      This entire story loses it at the toilet joke. It isn’t impossible, and while there certainly would’ve been plenty of laughs amongst a Chinese crowd that historically maintains reservations against the Japanese, that would be extremely poor form for Beijing University students and the Beijing University for hosting a guest, even a Japanese one.

      From that point on, the kid stops giving genuinely responding to the journalist’s questions and instead just twists them into obnoxious retorts purely aimed to make a fool of the Japanese journalist. Even following a script, I’d have a difficult time believing any reporter would continue what has already blatantly become a farce. What’s the journalist’s motivation in persisting with an uncooperative interviewee offering responses that have no value? What’s he going to do with them?

      As Rick in China notes, the reporter doesn’t really respond to the answers the student is portrayed as giving. The reporter is caracitured as a punching bag, existing eventually only to be humiliated by the student. His “questions” are less questions than set-ups for the student’s punchlines. Ridiculous.

      Of course, I’m not saying such a ridiculously stupid exchange didn’t happen, because I’ve seen such stupidity happen plenty of times. It’s just that I rarely see such protracted stupidity unfold in this context. It’s so one-sided we’d have to force ourselves to believe the reporter is brain-dead to have put himself through such a thrashing.

      And yes, it was a thrashing, but not because the student’s responses made any hard-hitting points. It was a thrashing only because it was presented as one, with the cheering and the reporter being that punching-bag, not responding to the obvious evasion, and even making what appears to be criticisms of the Chinese.

      As disappointing as it is for so many pathetic Chinese netizens to get all riled up and ecstatic with this story of some Chinese kid putting some Japanese reporter in his place, I’m thankful there were plenty of Chinese netizens with enough brains to agree this is totally fake. If this really happened, I’m not sure who I’d bitchslap upside the head first, the punkass dipshit student or the dumbass Japanese reporter.

      But then again, I do have two arms.

      • You’re forgetting that the journalist was a Jap and that he should be treated as such

        • ImmortalTechnique

          And this is why PP is the ultimate balla on these talkbacks.

          The post is fake as the nikes on my feet. It’s just a bit of angry nationalistic wanking.

        • kljsdf

          Yep, Japs suck ass.

        • SamuraiHiro

          I assume by your name that you are from Korea, so does that mean that you are a GOOK? Responding to all of these CHINKS? Grow up assholes.

  • whichone

    The answers feels like they came from a press secretary, sticking to talking points, not accepting premises, answering with a witty retort etc, seems fake.

  • C.

    What the fuck kind of bias ass report was this Japanese news agency going to publish.

    I believe he did own the reporter. He responded rightly so with ridiculous answers to ridiculous questions. The one-sided implications of the reporter’s questions deserve nothing but ridicule.

  • fireworks

    The Chinese student gave considered answers to tough questions from the Japanese reporter. They weren’t offensive but to rebuff the Japanese reporter as you can see he was trying to dig dirt after the initial questions about how relationships can improve. Could have been worse, at least both sides can’t call it a decisive win or a loss.

    • Kai

      As far as the Chinese crowd in this supposed story is concerned, it was a decisive win for the Chinese student.

      I agree the student gave “considered” answers, always presenting something that not only redirected the spotlight back onto the Japanese but also in a negative way.

      I do agree the Japanese reporter’s questions in the end seemed aggressive or could be interpreted as such, aimed perhaps to get the Chinese to discuss/acknowledge/admit their own problems (embarrassingly in front of outsiders like the Japanese no less), but I’m far more certain this entire thing is a fabrication unless someone can dig up some supporting evidence.

      Again, I do think a stupid exchange like this could happen, I just don’t think people need to make one up.

      • The John

        I agree with Kai. This is definitely fake. If it is not fake, the Chinese student made an ass out of himself. He actually owned himself. Another reason why it’s fake is due to reporters from Japan not being THAT stupid…

      • Zictor

        Well put as usual, Kai. Stupid exchanges like this DO happen.

        People don’t need to make stuff up. And I wonder how one could have an orderly dialogue like this in the middle of the street?

  • 13

    Maybe that’s something we have already known,but the theme is unfading.

  • The Overthinker

    Typical arrogant Chinese student, not taking an opportunity seriously and being rude to a guest.

  • Anon

    Faaaaaake, I read this ages ago. Sometimes it feels like at least half the Chinese internet is made up of reposted YY material.

    • Anon

      Wow, why did I even bother posting that.

  • MAOCUNT

    I honestly doubt this is real. But anyways there are quite alot of videos on youtube where Japanese ppl make fun of Chinese ppl there. Inviting them on to talk shows, just to embarrass them and air them on TV. So honestly good job if this is really an ownage by a Chinese on Japanese. Cuz as far as owning goes, Japan is still leading the race.

    (Btw, press my name and you will see Mao Tse Tung)

  • Who here ever remembers loosing an argument? [email protected] like our minds automatically edit our memories to make us look like the winners, no matter whether we got owned or not. As such, I think that this argument could well have taken place, but not as reported here with the Japanese `reporter` (who for a reporter seems very keen to assert his own opinion) simple setting up straw-men for the heroic Chinese student to knock down (“why are Japanese toilet bowls better than Chinese ones?” – give me a break!). Finally, the whole `boycott Japan` thing was way back in 2005, so I`m guessing that this piece is at least that old. Keen observers may notice how similar the `reporter`s` style of argument is to the French passenger from this piece:

    http://www.chinasmack.com/stories/young-girl-argues-with-anti-chinese-french-on-airplane/

    So I`m guessing that the sterotype of the “arrogant” unreasoning foreigner is still very much in effect.

    • Kai

      I recall the anti-chinese french on airplane story was verified as real or, at least, there really was a girl who wrote that story on her blog. Apparently, someone even pointed her to chinaSMACK and she proceeded to get angry that chinaSMACK translated and reposted her blog post without her permission. Of course, she didn’t understand that chinaSMACK was merely translating and reposting what had already been reposted across a bunch of Chinese forums already.

      Personally, save for a few of the questions in the above story, I didn’t think the Japanese reporter was that strongly presented as “arrogant” and “unreasoning”. The story only makes him seem like he’s trying to make petty criticisms of China, what with the industrial accidents and college suicide questions.

      • B. Prichard

        Legitimately, Japan is the leader in toilet research and innovation. This (fake) student should objectively view the world toilet market.

      • Original of anti-chinese french on airplane (post 2009-03-03):

        http://my.backchina.com/space-177161-do-blog-id-26179-page-3.html

        Her response to chinaSMACK comments (post 2009-03-10):

        http://my.backchina.com/space-177161-do-blog-id-26896.html

      • “the anti-chinese french on airplane story was verified as real or, at least, there really was a girl who wrote that story on her blog.”

        There is a difference between something being ‘verified’ as true, and the original post being found – no?

        • Kai

          FOARP,

          Yes, you’re right, there can be a difference and I didn’t word myself clearly. In fact, I wasn’t entirely correct either now that Fauna’s posted the originals for us.

          For those who can’t read Chinese, it’s the original post of the story translated in the “Young Girl Argues With Anti-Chinese French on Airplane” post, written by the girl/woman involved.

          The second link is another post where the girl/woman was shown chinaSMACK and responds to the commenters on chinaSMACK who don’t believe her and declared the story fake.

          There is, of course, two sides to every story. We don’t know the story of the alleged French people involved in the girl’s story. Either no one has found it or they didn’t feel compelled to blog/talk about it later.

          A lot of people were very quick to declare the story fake, citing a number of arguments about this or that. I was a dissenting voice. It wasn’t because I knew for certain the story to be real, but because 1) I don’t know how people could be absolutely, positively certain the story was fake, and 2) their arguments to support their doubt and conclusions were not very persuasive. I too was skeptical, but I wasn’t willing to go out on a limb and declare with absolute certainty.

          I can certainly understand why some people are eager to dismiss these sort of stories, and there certainly are fake stories like these on the internet, in Chinese and English and whatever language. There are always people from any place bored enough to fabricate shit. Being skeptical is fine. However…

          There is a difference between being eager and being certain – no?

          It behooves those who want to discuss the authenticity of that story to at least consider the available evidence, right? If someone looks over the originals and still disbelieves that the incident happened, or happened as described, well, they have their reasons which they can argue, but they’re premised more on subjective doubt than any objective, available evidence they’ve presented. I just hope it has more to do with particulars of the story than preconceptions and biases for or against the ethnicities and nationalities of the characters involved.

          Take a look, FOARP, Tell me what you think.

          • Rick in China

            How about the obviously logical reason that people aren’t going to write stories that make themselves look bad and will adjust the ‘truth’ to edit out their mistakes and often exaggerate or misinterpret actions/words from their ‘opposition’, and that everyone has a very subjective memory of things? Wuh wuh, not back on this topic again, lets move on.

          • Zictor

            Rick has a very good point.
            My take would be that something similar DID happen, but not exactly as the girl describes it.

    • No one else seems to be talking about this – ‘boycott Japan’ was way back in 2005. There has not been any great anti-Japanese movement in the meantime – so why is this post doing the rounds now?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_boycotts_of_Japanese_products

  • Mercator

    Is this student related to “Young Girl Argues With Anti-Chinese French On Airplane”. Brother maybe?

  • Mercator

    Ah, FORAP you beat me to it!

  • carl

    Pics or it didn’t happen.

    All I’m sayin’.

  • Jay

    God, I get so tired of the Chinese and Koreans, especially the young, flaunting their stupid hatred of the Japanese. Sure, the Japanese can be arrogant and naive at times but they can’t compete with many Chinese on this score. Everyone please get over it and try a little courtesy!

    • The Overthinker

      Excatly. Chinese youths are becoming a lost cause.

    • jenny

      “the Japanese can be arrogant and naive at times but they can’t compete with many Chinese on this score.”

      God, I get so tired of racist bastards, especially those online, generalizing a race based on the actions of a few. -__-

      • BladiddyBla

        To be honest, I doubt either of the previous posters made any of these judgements based on the ethnicity of the youths they are talking about, rather its the stubbornness arising from a culture which villifies the Japanese. It’s a generalisation all the same but don’t get morally superior.

        God, I get so tired of superior bastards, especially those online, who don’t seem to be able to tell the difference between critiquing a culture and assuming someones ancestry makes them inherently inferior (i.e. actually Racist)

  • Ken

    Fake CCP propaganda. All efforts are made to develop patriotism in China. When they start with Mao quotes you know that the story is more fake than my Nike shoes from the Silk Market

  • Mao Zecock

    Funny how Beida student lowered himself like that.
    Japan has done horrible things to many pacific nations, not just China. Even the US.
    They suffered enough losses after the bombs.
    If they don’t acknowledge then so be it, Japan will sink down in 2012 anyways ~

    • Steven T

      what the people are mad about dont just reflect on the effects of WWII. Since Japan has begun to rebuild itself with the help of the USA, Japan and China have constantly been “beefing”. What pissed off the Chinese even more (in recent memory) was the fact that they (the Japanese Government) have decided to erase the facts of the brutality of the Japanese military and their actions during world war 2 in their Japanese text books. Not only did they deny the actions of the WWII Japanese Military but in the Japanese text books it instead says that Japan helped the rest of Asia (including China) by civilly occupying them, open up their markets and gave them new ideals. – That’s why the Chinese are mad.

      • Kai

        Yes, there have been efforts by members of Japan’s modern government, and especially far-right nationalist Japanese, to revise or whitewash aspects of Japan’s WW2 history. However, I think it is best to be clear and rational about our criticisms. This relevant Wikipedia entry is a good start for making sure we don’t overexaggerate. It’s good to criticize possible revisionism in Japanese textbooks, but just remember that China is widely accused of the same thing with other parts of its own history. Hypocrisy doesn’t invalidate valid criticisms, but just keep it in mind.

      • Vesper Lynd

        Have you seen the textbooks in Shanghai? At least in Japan you can purchase the Rape of Nanking and similar books in any decent sized book store. How easy is it to get history books in China? Why did I have to buy a history book about China under the table during the Shanghai Literature Festival?

        • kailing Fan

          well… what about trying to bring it in from abroad… you feel more or less like trying to bring in some cocaine or similar. It is funny that I can not buy Amazon books here in English (not available in this area) and I have to buy in the Chinese Amazon… that does not have those books in catalogue. Whitewashing is much more efficient and present at this side, without comparison… Chinese censorship (internet included) is blatant history whitewashing (starting from the very present)

      • 1) The Japanese government had no part in the issuing of the text books, which were published by a private company and used by a single local authority in about 18 secondary schools.

        2) The Japanese government has not ‘erased’ the facts of WW2 war crimes, in fact various prime ministers have issued various statements of regret. A significant minority of Japanese people believe that the war waged by Japan against China and the western allies was a just one, but this group has merely been pandered to through visits to Yasukuni and other sops, never directly courted.

        • Kai

          That’s not entirely accurate. The Japanese government’s Ministry of Education approved those textbooks. The textbooks, however, were not adopted by mainstream Japanese society, and many Japanese educators protested it too. I think it’s fine, even proper, to be abhorred by efforts of revisionism, but it isn’t necessary to exaggerate or lie about the extent of those efforts you’re opposing. The Japanese textbook issue is just one of the many gripes Chinese have against the Japanese that is overblown.

          • James

            “The Japanese government’s Ministry of Education approved those textbooks. ”

            The Ministry of Education is not allowed to reject textbooks based on ideological biases. It can only order publishers to make factual corrections.

            The actual Tsukurukai textbook had to be heavily revised before being given final approval. Even some of my leftist Japanese friends agree that its right wing message was effectively neutered by the corrections.

      • Xav

        Man, man, man what the fuck are you talking about???
        I’ve read myself, not heard from…., many of them. And none of them talk about the facts you’re refering to…Maybe you should see for yourself…if you can read Japanese.

  • genghiz khan

    japs were the only race we mongols didn’t conquer coz we’re not too fond of water or boats

    • Steven T

      ahahaha my definite lol of the day.

    • Mike Fish

      but you did try to

      • Alikese

        When will Mongolia apologize to all of the people between Vietnam and Ukraine? They raped the women, killed the children, and stole the wealth of the people. 25 short generations ago it was the Mongolian aggressors, not the Japanese! No more revisionism!

        • AC

          Right… contemporary time frame anyone?

  • G.

    fake… tiringly fake…

  • akbar lo

    When all you can come up with is strawman fallacies, I think you would be the one that’s embarassed.

    • Alikese

      Have you ever posted a comment on this website without using the term “strawman.”

      Akbar’s reply to me will be:

      “Here come the strawmen!” Just wait and see.

  • Stuey

    The real embarassment here is that Chinese patriots feel the need to make up a story about Chinese people out-arguing Japanese straw men. Nice fictional victory! Score one for the motherland!

  • Master C

    The Japanese have yet to give apology and compensation equitable to what German has given Europe. So until then, Japan can expect alot of cynicism and distrust.

    (especially in the case of the aged and now dying women who were forced into the Jap Comfort Corps not yet compensated, the window of opportunity to apologise and compensate is fast closing, why is Japan dragging it’s feet?)

    • VeerLeft

      Actions speak louder than words. The Japanese have made such contributions to the Chinese economy and virtually donated manufacturing knowledge in almost every field (sometimes to their own detriment). I know it stings but the generation that caused the issues is all but dead, and the current leadership has been nothing but friendly. In fact the current PM doesn’t even go to the Veterans Shrine in deference to Chinese feelings about the war. Methinks it is time to unburden ourselves…
      I see it like this; only idiots and goldfish forget the incident, but the associated emotions must be allowed to die (especially 2 generations later). The current government propaganda trend is to use TV shows and movies to keep the wound open so that the Chinese populace has an emotional scapegoat on which to pin their angst.

      • Rick in China

        Last sentence = 100% accurate.

    • Kai

      There’s an argument to be made for the Japanese not matching the Germans, but as far as “compensation” goes, it was Mao who renounced Japanese war reparations as part of an effort to normalize relations and gain international recognition for the PRC. The Chinese have no one to blame for this than Mao himself.

      • Annoy

        I thinking that China just keep being wound to pest the Japanese for stuffs. quite low ehj?

      • kailing Fan

        True, I was reading to see if someone says that. Finally someone did, so I do not need to say it. haha

      • James

        And even after the PRC has renounced compensation, the Japanese government gave huge sums of ODA to China (considered defacto reparations by Japan’s leadership).

    • BoChangKui

      Actually asian governments were pressurised by the Americans in the 1952 treaty of san fransico into not pressing for huge compensation from Japan (so the American occupiers would not have to pump as much money into rebuilding post war Japan).
      As Sino-American relations had withered and died at this point China was not presentor represented at the treaty. However China formerlyand willingly on its own part renounced its rights to compensation/reparations from Japan in the 1972 Sino-Japanese co-operation agreement (which signalled a high point in Sino-Japanese post war relationships), China willingly waived its rights to compensation mainly in order that China and Japans standpoints on the taiwanese “problem” would be closer together.
      So as Mao said if you havent properly investigated you arent entitled to an opinion!

      • Master C

        Didn’t expect so many here to be ignorant of this fact BoChangKui brought up. To many of the readers here would rather paint China in a bad light and create bad feelings by favouring Japan all the way. Two can play at that game, so better make judgments based all the proper facts, this China bashing behaviour has to stop otherwise China will be inclined yo do some bashing of it’s own, especially to non-North East Asians creating bad feelings here . . .

        It must be conceded that PM Yukio has made his stance on Yasukuni clear, and the lack of reparations were to a degree the doing of the US, how about direct compensation and apology to the unwilling participants in the Jap Comfort Corps?

        A handful of them being truly voluntary should not be played up in a way that makes it alright to ignore all those forcibly conscripted. They are still alive and seeking justice (apology and compensation), will Japan act in a just manner and clear at least this one issue with honesty? It is not even an issue between governments but ordinary citizens and Japan . . .

        Just like the refuasal of US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, 3 of whom consider the English Monarchy their sovereign refusing to sign the United Nations Indigenous People’s Rights Charter 2007 when 143 nations already did.

        Why are the people responsible for such issues such reprobates that they will not acknowledge their wrongs and crimes against humanity?

        • Stuey

          “the lack of reparations were to a degree the doing of the US”

          Not China’s. Read the post above again- China renounced compensation for its own reasons.

  • antiWuMao

    Son of QinGang[Ass hole of beasts]

  • VeerLeft

    Fake interview in my estimation. Nothing to see here.

  • C.Bratton

    Japan is never going to make up for what they did because they don’t want to, and they still have enough power to not have to give in to the pressure. The only way China is going to get Japan to apologize is if they either shoot a few missiles into Tokyo or if they can actually create cars and electronics that are better than the Japanese ones.

  • m5

    Haha. I love it.

    “The question implicitly casts China in an unfavourable light. From ancient times to now, China has never had any “heavy burden”. The Chinese people are a open-minded, forward-looking exemplary race, who patiently deal with people, and remaining on friendly terms with their neighbours is China’s virtue.”

    Somebody better tell taiwan and tibet how virtuous china has been. I think they missed it.

    • whichone

      …and all glory flow to our dear leaders for whom we wish long life and good health!!

    • But Taiwan and Tibet ARE China though, aren’t they? (lol)

      • Glorious China

        Why funny? It true. Taiwan just a break away province.

        • Rick in China

          I’d go so far as to say it’s more like China is a breakaway province of Taiwan.

          • Hahaha. Ding to that, Rick!

          • Kai

            Total tangent but I think many people feel unduly sympathetic or aligned with KMT Taiwan as a result of judging history from the present and through somewhat ahistorical ideological lenses.

            We need to remember that Taiwan didn’t really become something resembling a democracy until fairly recently in history, and previously was arguably an authoritarian police state similar to today’s PRC, plagued with a lot of the same problems and flaws, not least of which being rampant corruption and suppression of dissent.

            I think too often we seem to think of Taiwan and the KMT as having always been what it is today when that simply wasn’t true. Related to this, is viewing the Communist victory in 1949 as the Chinese people having been tricked. They weren’t really tricked and the CCP wasn’t exactly out to swindle everyone. What the CCP believed in and tried to accomplish (at the time) was genuine, genuinely attractive to many Chinese…and genuinely too idealistic to ever be achieved. As time passed, their absolute power corrupted them and we know the rest.

            We can say we might have agreed with the KMT’s capitalistic ideology more than the CCP’s communist ideology, but in historical practice, both of them, and both Taiwan and the PRC, have committed really heinous crimes against the people. It’s fine to champion Taiwan as an example of Chinese achieving democracy, but I think some people are too quick to forget how hard the road to that democracy has been and why it is dangerous to assume China today would be a larger version of Taiwan had the KMT won. We just don’t know, and we shouldn’t forget why the CCP won even if we disagree with how the CCP has changed over time into the very evil they professed and promised to deliver the Chinese people from.

            Okay, tangent over.

      • Rick in China

        @Maxi
        China is to Taiwan and Tibet as Whitney Houstin is to Bobby Brown – beaten into a relationship.

      • Rick in China

        @Maxi
        Taiwan and Tibet is to China as Whitney Houstin is to Bobby Brown – beaten into a relationship.

  • Shanghairocks

    Any crappy Chinese-Japanese story sells in China.

  • krdr

    It is expected for any student to speak on this level, but interview is fake as wife’s LV.

  • mingster

    dont waste time, this is fake.

    can someone spend some time and care about stopping the retards chinese from honking on the street irresponsibly? I can’t sleep!!! and my family is getting brain damage from the noise pollution!!!!!!!!!! Uncivilise Fucktard!!!!

  • dirtywhiteboy

    “we acknowledge history without bias” only the history they wish to look at

  • by

    *******FAKE, FAKE, FAKE, FAKE, FAKE********

    Once again, another sad, pathetic fenqing who’s idea of “owning” anyone is by posting some fake bullshit on a chinese BBS.

    A quick search confirms that there is NO reporter at Kyodo News Agency whose name is Ichiro Ozawa. There is however, a very famous Ichiro Ozawa who used to be the chief secretary of Japan’s LDP. So, that’s probably the only japanese name this guy came in touch with to make his ridiculous mashup.

    I consider this yet another case of fake “you wish” BS.

    *CASE CLOSED*

  • Voidness

    “The Chinese people are a open-minded, forward-looking exemplary race, who patiently deal with people, and remaining on friendly terms with their neighbours is China’s virtue”

    This shown how much this guy understand his own country foreign policy. I can speak for a fact that China have unsuccessfully invaded Vietnam many times in the past, had they been successful I believe the Vietnamese would have been considered one of their minority ethnics and belong to the greatness of China, for example the Tibet “heavy burden” issue. China recent occupation of spratly islands group is also an another fine examples. Lets take a look at this map (http://hoangquang.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/duong-yeu-sach-9-doan-tq.jpg?w=396&h=579) and see how unreasonable is China’s claim for its sea border. (the pink line is china claimed border). There was a joke that now a days Malaysian could be charged of border trespassing for going to their beaches. Yes this is the result of China being friendly with its neighbors.

    China has and always been the dominant kingdom within its regions and demands the submission of its neighbors in one way or another, I believe the current size of china is the result of countless invasion of smaller countries.

    I don’t intend to to say that China belong to the axis of evil (Bush’s Politic), but I wanted to point out that China was and will never be a friendly neighbor. The literal translation of their country name is ” The Center Kingdom” they once believed that they are the Center for all civilizations and consider races as somewhat inferior.

    I could understand the Chinese hatred of Japanese this is due to Japan invasion of China in WWII for its resources although China wasn’t alone the rest of Asia was occupied too. This guy saying that he doesn’t use Japanese products because of his own preferences and tried some childish homour but the fact is that, the rest of the world would chose Japanese products over Chinese, because Japan produces finer products.

    I believe that if a nation military strength is greater than the rest of the world then it can somewhat have more influence and righteousness in its foreign policy regardless whether the course of action in right or wrong. My personal opinion is that a US domination of the world is better than a Chinese one, simply because, I am a Vietnamese and my country understand what a Chinese Occupation means, Look at Japan after WWII, the US did give Japan a chance to become great again, I do not believe the Chinese would have done the same.

    • Kai

      I agree with with you (and many others) that the student in this story is towing the official Party line on what China is and isn’t. This official Party line, moreover, obnoxiously disregards reason and history.

      That said, I must respond to a few of the things you bring up:

      China has and always been the dominant kingdom within its regions and demands the submission of its neighbors in one way or another, I believe the current size of china is the result of countless invasion of smaller countries.

      This characterization of China is incongruous with history. China has gone through warlordism and competing factions just like most civilizations. More importantly, the Chinese “civilization” has both conquered and been conquered, whether it involved itself, parts of itself, or others. Let’s avoid trying to make China out to seem like ome monolithic entity that has been on a invading rampage for eons. That’s a disservice to history and reason.

      I don’t intend to to say that China belong to the axis of evil (Bush’s Politic), but I wanted to point out that China was and will never be a friendly neighbor.

      Many nations would disagree. Simply put, “friendly” is a silly descriptor to be using here. Like all nations, China has interests it is willing to protect and project. Whether or not that makes China “friendly” or not depends on whether those interests align with your’s.

      The literal translation of their country name is ” The Center Kingdom” they once believed that they are the Center for all civilizations and consider races as somewhat inferior.

      Cripes, when will the spread of this largely ahistorical and completely distorted factoid stop? Please, go do more research about the origins of “中国” and stop repeating this nonsense. Next, let’s remember that ethnocentrism has followed almost all dominant civilizations around the world and throughout history. It’s an unfortunate by-product of being at the top that you start to look down on others. If anyone knows this, the Chinese do, given that their historical dynastic complacency totally bit them in the ass when the Europeans of Middle Earth ancestry came by and screwed them.

      but the fact is that, the rest of the world would chose Japanese products over Chinese, because Japan produces finer products.

      I wholly understand your point, but to play Devil’s Advocate, how would you respond to the fact about “the rest of the world” actually chooses with their wallets and, in doing so, have shown us that the world quite likes purchasing Chinese products over Japanese products? I’m not trying ot say the Chinese make “finer” products than the Japanese, I’m saying you’re making a stupid argument in an effort to put down a fake but smarmy Chinese student in a fake story. There’s no need. Both Chinese and Japanese know where their respective products lie on the value scale.

      My personal opinion is that a US domination of the world is better than a Chinese one,

      Team America! Fuck yeah!

      America appreciates your support.

      Joking aside, I personally would also put my bets on America than China if I had to choose one. I think most Chinese actually feel the same way. China isn’t ready to lead the world, and believe it or not, most people in China (especially it’s leaders) know this. This isn’t going to stop them from using what clout they do have now to protect and project their interets, but they know they’re not nearly sorted out enough to be playing world cop. I don’t think you need to worry about Chinese hegemony anytime soon.

      • Zuo Ai

        Kai, historically, looking WAY back, the ethnically Han people have spread through conquest. This includes militarily, culturally, and ethnically suppressing (or in some cases just displacing) indigenous people. Of course, this isn’t any different than how any other “civilization” has spread. Just saying.

        Also, although I believe this to be either fake, or a major exaggeration, the kid’s points are full of holes.

        Any Japanese reporter facing someone giving them the party line can just basically say “your welcome.” Seeing as the Japanese invasion is a major reason the CCP aren’t about as historically relevant as Japan’s Communist movement.

        • Kai

          China has gone through warlordism and competing factions just like most civilizations. More importantly, the Chinese “civilization” has both conquered and been conquered, whether it involved itself, parts of itself, or others.

          …the kid stops giving genuinely responding to the journalist’s questions and instead just twists them into obnoxious retorts purely aimed to make a fool of the Japanese journalist….

          The reporter is caracitured as a punching bag, existing eventually only to be humiliated by the student. His “questions” are less questions than set-ups for the student’s punchlines. Ridiculous.

          …it was a thrashing, but not because the student’s responses made any hard-hitting points. It was a thrashing only because it was presented as one, with the cheering and the reporter being that punching-bag, not responding to the obvious evasion

          • Zuo Ai

            yeah, the second part wasn’t really a reply to you as it was a general comment on the thread

  • Joe #2

    > In China, we don’t discuss things like this, talking about such things in public is very abnormal/perverse. (Laughter) Of course, I don’t know if you are used to doing this, or if your country is. (Laughter)

    Really? Because I seem to remember that story where people discussed the most perverted girls they had ever met online, and they were doing so publicly in front of complete strangers…

    As for the other thing about various Chinese people spying, anyone who works in computer security knows that it’s true. But they’re not exactly the only ones doing it, either.

    And history? Mmm, every country has their own view of history. I don’t know how ‘objective’ any of them are, but China did suffer quite a bit. I guess that I would expect things to calm down once those who lived through those terrible events as well as those who committed them pass on, but only if people avoid repeating the mistakes of the past.

    And even then, humans seem to have a talent for finding new mistakes to make…

  • 123meeeee

    typical chinese discussion stlye.

    Avoid question – answer in a redundantand general way a question that has not been asked.

    for low IQ people this interview is OWNAGE but for midlevel IQ people upwards this interview is pure bullshiat. the student didnt answer one question with repect or sincerity

  • lili

    “The Chinese people are a open-minded, forward-looking exemplary race, who patiently deal with people, and remaining on friendly terms with their neighbours is China’s virtue.”

    in my opinion, this is the biggest joke of the whole conversation… HAS TO be fake. only the propaganda dept can say this kind of BS… even the fengqing cannot be this outright!

  • Jaime de la Esperanza

    “From ancient times to now, China has never had any “heavy burden”. The Chinese people are a open-minded, forward-looking exemplary race, who patiently deal with people, and remaining on friendly terms with their neighbours is China’s virtue. For this reason we acknowledge history without bias, but would never repay unkindness with unkindness.”

    Any other country that paints itself in such a silly light would be roundly ridiculed, and by it’s own citizens. China does it, and not only do the mindless among them rush out – in great numbers – to praise such pathetic nonsense, but you can even get a few foreigners to join in as well.

    I mean, the man was a reporter, not a living, breathing embodiment of Japanese colonial aggression! Of course, there is always a gap between the decorum people demand and the decorum they themselves maintain, but more and more, I have to wonder about the gap in China.

    Ah well. I suppose as a westerner, my criticism is mute, because I don’t bask in the glory.

    Amazing. U.S., you have met your match for hubris and arrogance!

    • Alikese

      It would be nigh on impossible to find an arrogant Spanish person! Where would one start?

      • Jaime de la Esperanza

        Stop pointing at me, sir.

        No, seriously, stop pointing at me. I am not Argentine. I’m 100% costeno baby! Humble and all that. I cast my eyes downward out of modesty when I speak.

  • Jaime de la Esperanza

    Kai said:

    “I recall the anti-chinese french on airplane story was verified as real or, at least, there really was a girl who wrote that story on her blog. ”

    The difference between those two choices is huge, do you really mean to suggest that it isn’t? Leaving “at least” in there makes it sound like there might be some equivalence to a story wholey fabricated and what would be a searing incident between citizens of two countries.

    Just curious.

    • Kai

      Hi Jaime, my response above to FOARP. I didn’t word myself clearly. My bad. I don’t think the difference is that huge though, but I’m willing to entertain people who hear the story from the girl’s mouth and still call the girl a liar. There’s always a chance, right? Anyway, go check out the above links that Fauna provided and tell me what you think.

  • Seems like everyone is getting a heated discussion about whether Chinese should forgive Japan or not.

    To be honest, the fact that Japan and China will never have a consent about this ww2 issue is thanks to General MacArthur. If you look at how the military tribunal of far east has been done; you will notice the many culprits of war crimes have not been charged. Lets leave out Hirohito, there is still a long list of Japanese royalties such as Baron Sadao Araki, Prince Asaka and so forth. There are people that shouldn’t be charged, charged, such as General Iwane Matsui who become the scapegoat for Prince Asaka in Nanjing Massacre; the guy was ill and not on duty when the Japanese enter the city, and Asaka is the one the one that ignore his order and allow the killing spree.

    If the good general didn’t forge evidences so these men could get away from it, this problem will probably never been so serious. Now you got this buch of Japanese who doubt the evidences laid on them facing hordes and hordes of mainland Chinese who is shown the Nanjing massacre like 24/7 of the year. =], I dont think we could ever understand, so we should just leave them to be. Its clear the Japanese are making up history and the Chinese is making a big fuzz about it on purpose; both sides are assholes. We should just get some popcorn and watch them kill each other over something America have started in the first place.

  • Annoy

    LOL this kind of thing always attract much comments.
    japan always forge stuffs up and China just too much of a baby in this matter, prob 100 yrs later they still whine about it.

  • dim mak

    That’s obviously fake.. the setup questions, passive aggressive response, raging stereotypes, etc.

    “Hypothetical” posts like this go up in Chinese forums all the time, people take them with a grain of salt.

  • Yin

    Apologies are so last year. Isn’t Japan all about Greater East Asian Co- I mean East Asian Union now?

  • Dynasty

    I’m not impressed. Why is this kid being lauded as a hero when his responses are laden with immaturity and thinly-veiled vitriol?

    • Parapraxis

      Paraphrased from George Carlin:

      Take a second and imagine the average mainland Chinese. Realize how petty and ignorant they are. Now remember half the country is more petty and ignorant than that!

  • Lama

    this is totally crap, if this reporter asked, how about the cultural revolution, tibet, then we will see the real nature of this interview. until then, all these are nothing, just formalities.

  • Attila_Deguo

    I really hope this is not a fake story. As a ‘laowei’ I would like to see more such examples of showing style.

  • This was clearly written by someone who has either never been to Beida, or a Beida student attempting to live vicariously through a made up story about his university. Bluntly, Beida students are nerds with very poor social skills. I know quite a few Beida students/graduates, and eating, studying, playing computer games, whining about being lonely, and telling you that they are Beida students takes up about 99.9% of their time.

    No way they have time to suavely tell off a Japanese reporter while their peers laugh at their funny jokes.

  • Ming

    I know this is fake. But I still Ding this. Passive aggressive is a much more intelligence response then open hostility.

    PS: China is not the good empire. We have our own ambitions and goals. Same as the US and the USSR and every other empires in history. Its about national interests. Speaking freely, I dont think anyone can say who is a good empire and who is a evil empire.